Rumors persist about Asomugha to Eagles in trade for McNabb
By Steve Corkran
Friday, March 26th, 2010 at 4:03 pm in Oakland Raiders.
An ESPN report Friday said that the Raiders are “open” to including cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha as part of the compensation in a trade for Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb.
The Raiders, for their part, said there’s nothing to the report, which came on the heels of a ProFootballTalk.com post Thursday that floated the idea. The two Raiders employees also maintained that they are unaware of the Raiders even contacting the Eagles about McNabb.
A Yahoo! Sports report said that Asomugha’s representatives shot down the notion that Asomugha would be part of a deal for McNabb. Then again, the Raiders could make a trade that includes Asomugha without his knowledge because he doesn’t have a no-trade clause.
McNabb’s agent, Fletcher Smith, told the Philadelphia Daily News on Friday that the Eagles and McNabb haven’t discussed a trade. Again, they don’t have to do so.
What’s it all mean? Not much until someone other than Smith puts his name to one of the myriad quotes attributed to unnamed sources. Until then, it’s all just part of the typical offseason banter native to the slow part of the NFL offseason.
That doesn’t mean McNabb won’t be traded, and it doesn’t mean that he won’t wind up with the Raiders at some point. The Raiders are far from set at quarterback with JaMarcus Russell, Charlie Frye and Bruce Gradkowski.
McNabb would provide an instant upgrade for the Raiders and take pressure off Russell from performing at a level much higher than he did last season or in 2009 when he was the unquestioned starter.
The Raiders have plenty of ammo to pull off a trade for McNabb, especially if the asking price is a second- or third-round draft pick. But trading Asomugha just doesn’t make much sense from the Raiders standpoint, given they are more than a 33-year-old, worn-down quarterback away from being a legitimate playoff contender. They would need both McNabb and Asomugha, as well as a few more proven veterans.
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March 26th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
First – woohoo!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
See E, that’s why you’re one of my grunts and I’m the studly homie drinking the margs with the tanned exchange students.
Now I’m going stick you with hot tub scrubbing duty if you try to bring that lame brand of KrappyKell potty humor on my critically acclaimed Party Boat.
And if you have any siblings like yourself in need of agonizing minimum wage slave labor, have them shoot me their resumes. And it can’t be in crayon!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Trade 2nd round pick for McNabb and then trade down in the first round to get extra picks. We have been picking better later in the draft anyways the last couple years.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
How old are these exchange students you speak of? Did you say potty?
March 26th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
My friends are all migrant farm workers btw….lol
March 26th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Plunk, that’s a great idea, but I can’t imagine Tebow’s agent will think its a good PR move for him to chaperone a trip full of pasty blog dorks playing with taquitos.
And besides, Krappy will be trying all weekend to sell poor Timmy on his townhome listing.
What a freakin’ embarrassment!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Dear Al Davis,
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Margs are very studly too lol….
March 26th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Here is my idea.
Trade for Mcnabb, give them Asmough, Morrison and our 8th overall for Mcnabb, Asante and their 24th overall pick.
Draft OT Charles Brown for the 24th overall pick.
Draft DT MT. Cody for our second round pick.
Draft MLB Brandon Spikes for our third round pick.
Draft OG Mitch Pietrus for our 4th round pick.
Draft WR/KR Linoval Holliday for our fifth round pick.
Draft OT Ciron Black or C Eric Olsen for our 5th round.
Draft FB Matt Clapp for our seventh round pick.
Draft CB A.J. Wallace or Kevin Thomas for our seventh.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
I call BS!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
I think Beeech actually sucks down white wine spritzers at the bowling alley with JC students….
March 26th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
I love the media.
McNabb is a “33-year-old, worn-down quarterback” but Favre is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Where’s Jerry?
If I wanted to read Corkran’s crap I would be blogging his site.
Can we get an update from a real reporter please.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Raiders shouldn’t have to trade Nnamdi Asomugha to make this trade happen. 2nd round pick and maybe a 4th should do it.
Raiders would only do this to dump Asomugha’s salary, which is in the top 5 of all QBs. With Brady and Manning due for brand new deals this spring, Asomugha’s price tag will increase even more.
But overall, the Raider defense is pretty bad now, and QBs have to think when they throw against the Raiders…..lose Asomugha and then the entire defense is garbage…because as you know, the Raiders have THE WORST RUN DEFENSE IN THE LAST 6 OR 7 YEARS
March 26th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Raiders4eve – that’s a bit steep giving them all that much if all they’re asking for is a 2nd rounder. They get Morrison, Plus the first rounder being much higher PLULS Asmough who is the best COVER CORNER in the league while we get Asante who we don’t know what would happen in flat-out man-to-man coverage.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Thats why he is always running out to his Datsun 210 to refill his Big Gulp cup.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Awesome news, E! I can definitely use you and your fellow migrant workers this weekend. Be at the main dock in Marina Del Rey by 5.
Remember, without folks like you and your friends, homies like me and my ladies would never be able to enjoy the freshest shrimp cocktails.
Oh yeah – and you and your amigos will be retrofitted with a security device that will send some high voltage directly into your brain if you get near my VIP area.
Sweet!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Good call maverick. It takes a special cornerback to play here in Oakland. These zone guys and lane jumpers will not be too successfull here….especially given that the defense doesn’t put a lot of pressure on the QB and the run defense is awful.
2nd rounder alone should do it based on media reports.
Wow, JaDavis Russell really screwed up huh!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Keep Asomugha. Bring in Troy Smith, RFA-Ravens. Hue Jackson should be very familiar with him & his abilities. Then, trade up to the #2 pick, our 1st plus the 2012 1st to Detroit, and take SUH. Followed closely by:
2. Maurike Pouncey C
3. Donald Butler, MLB
4. Tony Washington, OT
5A. Mitch Petrus, OG
5B. John Conner, FB
7A. Deji Karim, RB (PR/KR)
7B. Alfonso Smith, RB (PR/KR)
Do these thing and we are in the playoffs at a minimum.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
You want me run your bowling ball through that machine that cleans it real shiny beeech?
March 26th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
I clean it real nice for ya boss.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
What really stinks about all this is the regression of JaDavis Russell.
He was supposed to be the QB and has failed. Now we have to spend picks/players to take care of a position that was supposed to be resolved.
Same with the linebackers….spent 2nd round picks and have to redraft the position…and now you guys are talking about getting a running back too…just two years after getting DMAC.
As a result of all this, we continue to NEGLECT the DT position and RT/RG (remember, we didnt’ even draft an O-Lineman last year) and Davis has only drafted some 5 DTs in 10 years and none no higher than the 4th round.
Now we have to bring in a receiver because DHB is so awful…again, wasted pick x2 because now you have to sacrifice future picks or roster spots to fix a problem twice
AL, please get somebody in there to help you!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
For example, had we just drafted BJ Raji or Eugene Monroe…at number 7…we aren’t talking about having to fill those positions this year.
Oh, and the receiver position wasn’t addressed….and we can’t draft a stud receiver in Dez Bryant this year….
Wasted effort with these offseasons…
At least he shouldn’t be drafting a safety this year
March 26th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
That’s the spirit, E! Since I’ve corrected your behavior, you’ve started acting like a good little worker.
Remember, in this world, good folks like you will always be needed by awesome bros like me. So don’t ever hang your head or get down about life.
After all, there’s always another margarita or bowl of guacamole you could be whipping up for me!
- Your Boss
March 26th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
SnB,
tj told us that DHB is better than Tim Brown and Cliff Branch. He also said Nick Mill is a DB Killer so I think we can ignore WR for the next 10 years.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Trade’s not going to happen.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
R1: D. Williams, Shore up the middle of the DL RUNSTOP!
R2: B. Spikes, Fiery MLB, probably 5x better than Kirk.
R3: I would begin drafting the best O linemen left on the board at this point. Either a Guard or a Tackle, depending on the value of the pick.
R4: If I took an OT in R3, then I take an OG here, and vise versa. (For the record I think that Al will draft J. ‘Fastest 40 time’ Ford at either 3 or 4)
R5: J. Skelton, JR is an absolute bust, Al can try for his monster QB with the monster arm again here, except Skelton has intelligence and heart to go along with his natural ability. He is compared heavily to Flacco, but said to be more developed than Falcco was at that stage. Let’s see if Hue can do it again!
R6: N/A
R7: If that dude who boffed his sister is still available, I guess we could look at him, but it’s gonna be kinda wierd for that guy no matter where he goes. We actually have 2 7ths, so I will just leave it up to Al to try and find a diamond in the rough here. That is something that the old man is surprisingly good at from time to time.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Miller*
March 26th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
I think Beech sucks down Rock Stars at an arcade in Torrance while he comments here from his phone.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
MB, what are you doing in the country? Thought you were going to leave if Obama passed health care?
March 26th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Raider MAverick and SnB
The reason I would do this trade like that is because other teams are in the conversation. We need to seal this deal, we need a legit QB like Mcnabb, if he is available we have to reach for him imo. Besides, if we can score, we can shut down teams without Asmough. Asante is good CB and he does play man to man in some situations for example in his days as a Patriot, I believe he played man to man when their safeties were deep inside to stop the run. I would rather drop down from our 8th position and draft an OT or DT late then pick Bruce Campbell as our 8th. Nobody wants Morrison. Look at the trade I suggested, Asmough, Morrison and our 8th overall for Mcnabb, Asante and their 24th overall pick. We basically droping down, we trading Mcnabb for Asmough same salary, we trading Morrison for Asante. I think it works the best for both teams, they get a higher pick, we get a lower pick but remain in the first round. Its a win win situation.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
What’s happ nin 4eva?
Senior, is that you… Beeecham?
March 26th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Dam, now MR is in the house…
Just like ol times.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
SNB
Don’t give up on DHB yet. I think he will come around if we can get some decent QB play. That means someone other than JaBustus. My pick is Troy Smith who we could get cheaply – possibly a 5th round pick or less. I agree that we need O-linemen. Specifically, I’d like Pouncey at C, Petrus at RG & Washington at ROT. The Troy Smith deal would really make sense because Hue Jackson Knows him well, both coming from the Ravens. If you look at my picks in post #18, I address the D-line, the O-line bigtime, the MLB position, the FB void we now have and a couple of Raider speed RB’s for PR/KR. Take all those draftees and our new WSLB FA Wimbly & existing SSLB Scott and we should e able to have a decent run & pass D. We definitely would have an improved Offense. All that combined with a new OC and we should be VERY competitive.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
MR,
I never said any such thing and you know it..
Furthermore,
0bama care doesn’t kick in until 2013, the year after he gets thrown out of office. Weird how we start paying for his HC nobody wants 3 years before it starts, hope, change, and socialism.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
RMR, so I guess that means you’re going to call security at the Torrance arcade to file a report – but not leave your name out of fear, right?
Remember, that’s what cowardly blog tattletales like you do!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
SnB,
tj told us that DHB is better than Tim Brown and Cliff Branch. He also said Nick Mill is a DB Killer so I think we can ignore WR for the next 10 years.
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Priest is too close to the team to look at it objectively. He’s going to rubber stamp all their decisions and actually takes offense when anyone criticizes the team.
DHB is more equal to Troy Williamson or Ted Ginn Jr. — guys that might get one or two nice catch and runs a year. DHB can’t even return kicks which makes his value just about null.
Nick Miller….LOL
March 26th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Your a funny guy beeech, its been nice bantering with ya lol….
March 26th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
MR,
I could be in a another Country right now and you wouldn’t know the difference, right? Brainiac!
Truthfully Id rather stay here and watch all these liberal Socialists get tossed out in Nov, and in 2012 Karl Marx 0bama is history and his HC will get repealed before it starts.
The end
March 26th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
SnB,
So you believe tj is close to the team? Thats nice, he got you hook line & sinker!
lol
March 26th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Mcnabb is not that great.Hes worthy of a 3rd round draft pick at best.Hes old and slow now.Dose not do good under pressure.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
JB,
Louis Murphy gave us production and looked the part. This is not about trying some sophisticated analysis….DHB struggled by 7th round standards…let alone 7th pick overall standards.
I don’t like this kid. Can’t catch, can’t get open, I don’t know. NO way he should be playing ahead of Murphy or Schilens…and if you look at the numbers and results…he shouldn’t be playing ahead of JLH either.
I would cut my losses with this guy. He’s using up a roster spot
March 26th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Hot Shot Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Mcnabb is not that great.Hes worthy of a 3rd round draft pick at best.Hes old and slow now.Dose not do good under pressure.
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He’s pretty good. 93 QB rating took his team to the playoffs.
For a team like Oakland he’s a necessity…
No way in hell we win with “JaDavis and the Gym-Rat”
March 26th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
SnB, I’m not a big DHB fan at this point, obviously the guy is struggling but you have to let him play. He sure didnt need to start but he needs 10-15 plays a game. JLH is helter skelter, he can go!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
I don’t really think we should take McNabb if Aso is in the equasion. If you think the D is bad now, just imagine if the other half of the field was there for the taking too… Our Defensive scheme is totally outdated, and far to easy to rip through. Nnamdi is an absolute phenominon, and that is the only reason our D seems even half way presentable from time to time. Losing Nnamdi would be an absolute catastrophy.He is paid like a QB for a reason.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Don’t forget, E – 5:00 at the dock!
I’ve got a boat full of Brazilian exchange students, Hawaiian Tropic girls and handpicked local bar sluts counting on you for top notch service.
RMR, I’d invite you on the Party Cruise but we have a limit on pasty tattletaling blog dorks.
The maximum is zero. Sorry, loser!
March 26th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
lol, normally i dont respond to gibberish, but wassup with MR trying in vain to get Dogg’s approval in the last thread? LOL, he spent about 3 hours trying to get praise (or trying to prove some kind of point). what people do with their time these days.
anyways, dont know who your sources are dogg, but keep up the good work, respect! (an homage to ali g perhaps?)
March 26th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
SNB
We are not in disagreement. I really like Murphy. He’s a Hines Ward type layer. Schillins should also be starting as long as he’s healthy. Let DHB develop and play spot opportunites for now until he can earn his way to start. Forget what he gets paid. That’s not our money so forget that. JLH has his moments but he can’t take the big hit. He’s still worthwhile to keep on the roster and should be doing KR duties. We don’t know what we have in Nick Miller yet. That is to be seen. What this all boils down to is that we don’t need any additional WR’s right now. We just need a good QB & I think Troy Smith could be that guy.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
look at the game the eagles played the raiders.we are not a big rush team but we rushed him enough to make him play like crap. same thing with the eagles playoff game.with the ol we got it wont work even if we draft ol it will take a little while for them to get good.mcnabb would struggle.He cant run.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
@ JB
i agree wholeheartedly with your #47 post, except for troy smith. you dont think gradkowski is a capable enough qb to get wins? nothing against troy, who should make a fine qb if given the chance, but something i remember from when grads was out there were the quotes from his team mates. specifically justin fargas, who said that the team appeared to play a lot harder for grads.
March 26th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
9 catches in 11 starts.
I would put him on the practice squad and see if he can hang there
If someone else picks him up…so be it.
No way should DHB play ahead of Murphy and Schilens…and that’s a problem because DHB is expected to be a #1 receiver…you know, like Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Crabtree, Miles Austin…etc..etc..
We’ll see…
March 26th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
i think if gradkowski started 16 games last year, raiders would have made the playoffs IMO
March 26th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
@hot shot
i agree, thats why keep grads and let em run around! =)
March 26th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Finally someone who gets it.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Ended the Recession, check
Nobel Peace Prize, check
Downsize Iraq War, check
Roll up the Taliban, check
Pass Health Care Reform, check
Nuclear Arms Treaty, check
Did I miss anything MistaBrown?
March 26th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
what about drew carter wr who tore his acl last year he should be ready to come back
March 26th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Just heard JRuss came in this week at 290lbs.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Hot Shot Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
look at the game the eagles played the raiders.we are not a big rush team but we rushed him enough to make him play like crap. same thing with the eagles playoff game.with the ol we got it wont work even if we draft ol it will take a little while for them to get good.mcnabb would struggle.He cant run.
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We cheated in that Philly game. Everyone knows it. Marshall said screw this Davis inspired no-blitz scheme and blitz just about every down. He reversed 40 years of film study.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
What have these old over paid washed players done for us these past few years.Not a damn thing.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Gradkowski is a gym rat with limited talent.
JaDavis is a man of leisure with uber talent
Neither can win.
Hence the chatter to get McNabb….only chance we realistically have
March 26th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Ended the Recession, check
Nobel Peace Prize, check
Downsize Iraq War, check
Roll up the Taliban, check
Pass Health Care Reform, check
Nuclear Arms Treaty, check
Did I miss anything MistaBrown?
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Wow, man you miss A LOT!
It is DRAGS like you that are killin our country.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Raider Bong Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
i think if gradkowski started 16 games last year, raiders would have made the playoffs IMO
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Are you making that comparison on a clean sheet of paper?
Or is that conclusion based on JaDavis’ slothfullness, Cable’s incompetence and 25 years of substandard QB play (save Gannon)?
This is not Little League or even High School…It takes REAL talent to win in the NFL…feistiness and passion may get you an extra win or two..but that’s it.
The Raiders are the last team that’s going to win with just rah, rah stuff. They need a talent.
Give the Gym-Rat a call after he’s been in the league for about 12 years….right now he’s useless
March 26th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
You miss plenty, Krappy. But let’s not get into your real estate career.
And it’s the 15th time you’ve posted that retarded Obama post. Its one thing to be a senile old goat, its another thing to parade it though town in a red corvette.
Uh, nevermind.
Anyway, Krap Krap, I’m ready to talk deal on the town home, though. That thing obviously ain’t gonna sell itself.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Gradkowski works hard and seems to be a leader.The team plays good when hes in.He plays just like garcia and hes a good Qb.He took just about every team he played for to the playoffs.Give Gradkowski a full year as starter before you judge him.His Qb rating was pretty good.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
A Flashy FA signing is one of Al Davis’s favorite off-season plays. Never get’s him anywhere though.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
レイダーネイション
March 26th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
@ SNB
“Gradkowski is a gym rat with limited talent.
JaDavis is a man of leisure with uber talent
Neither can win.”
hmm, guess that was wade wilson who beat the steelers last year at heinz =P
March 26th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Hot Shot,
There are a lot of players and could have been players that work hard and show leadership. Record shows you need a stud at QB. I don’t want a Garcia or Gradkowski type QB…I want a Brady or Manning type QB.
And we shouldn’t settle for a fiery gym-rat because JaDavis is a failure. YOu keep working at it. You go look for someone else to work with.
Gradkowski the gym-rat played 2 freekn games. So did Sean Hill and JT O’Sullivan in San Fran. That’s why Alex Smith is the QB and Hill and Sullivan are backing up elsewhere.
Raise your standards!
March 26th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Got to have a line to have a brady or manning type qb and mcnabb is no manning or brady type qb.We go with a running Qb for now.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
rd1 cj spiller rb rd2 everson griffen de
March 26th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
We go 5-11 with the gym-rat folks.
Fairy tales don’t come true
This is not your kids little league team
March 26th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
I wander why the hell mcfadden and bush dont throw passes.They both were good at in colledge.They dont play our running backs like they should.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Hot Shot
They have the best Wildcat player in college in Dmac and can’t run the Wildcat.
Most of the time they can’t even get lined up straight, or snap the ball on the count.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
Hot Shot,
Because Cable is a fool. He loved Fargas so much that he gerririgged this 3 back rotation farce. Forcing FArgas into the game.
Because he doesn’t like Bush, he is now reversing course and saying I want a #1 running back, suggesting whoever loses goes to a bit support role.
Hopefully Hue Jackson is given free reign to design and execute the offense.
Cable has not a clue.
Tell Cable to fix the O-Line…you know, the O-line that we did not draft 1 prospect for last year
March 26th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
# Raider Bong Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
@ JB
i agree wholeheartedly with your #47 post, except for troy smith. you dont think gradkowski is a capable enough qb to get wins? nothing against troy, who should make a fine qb if given the chance, but something i remember from when grads was out there were the quotes from his team mates. specifically justin fargas, who said that the team appeared to play a lot harder for grads.
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Nothing negative about Gradkowski but a QB with potentially bad wheels (2-knees) is something to be concerned about. Frey is good but too frail. Let them all compete for the job. The good thing about Troy Smith, Gradkowski & Frey is that they all play the same style so the playbook would work for all 3. And, all 3 are bright enough and eager enough to put in the work necessary to be proficient with 100% of the playbook unlike other QB’s who think they are above the need to work hard.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
The Raiders can’t even do the basics, let alone, take advantage of it’s players’s strengths.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
everytime i watch a raider game, i think “why dont they run more screens? why dont they try an option? why dont they…” but one thing they do do is throw it deep. amen to that brotha!
@SNB, fairy tales are when someone thinks one player (ie a QB) is going to change the whole franchise. Grads went 2-2 against some tough competition (CIN, DAL, WAS, PIT) and coulda gone 3-2 if DHB coulda caught that ball against the chiefs. if this were a video game, sure a stud QB will fix all blemishes. but from ive seen, real teams win with great play from the LINE
March 26th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
@ JB
cant argue with your logic, maybe you mentioned it earlier, but what would you propose to bring in troy? is a FA im not sure
March 26th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
“Grads” couldn’t make the team on two of the few teams equally as bad if not worse than Oakland.
No, he is NOT a starting caliber QB. He is NOT the next Rich Gannon.
Face it, Russell, barring some extraordinary melt down, is Davis’s project and will be given every chance to make it as a strter for the Oakland Raiders.
McNabb would simply give him more of a cushion and more tools to make that happen.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RaiderBong,
Woulda, coulda, shoulda can be used for any player. Washington is not a good team, they are drafting ahead of us…Pittsburgh didn’t make the playoffs, they lost to Cleveland.
And DHB dropped a dime pass from Russell in the end zone, followed by another deep bomb negated by Gallery’s hold or something.
I don’t like ANY QB on this dilapidated roster. They are all rank garbage.
I refuse to believe in a QB that doesn’t bother to stay in shape and I refuse to believe in a QB that was cut 3x by horrible teams and played well in a game or two.
I want a real QB in Oakland. Raider fan is so disillusioned that they will believe in Ryan Fitzpatrick or JT O’Sullivan just because they completed a few passes in a row and threw a TD pass
The teamm is a mess right now. Don’t prolong and recovery by chasing after false hope.
The Gym-Rat is a backup QB. Just like Seneca Wallace, Billy Volek, Charlie Batch or Jim Siorgi
March 26th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Hue jackson I think will do a good job.He did good with the ravens using thier running back.He used screen plays alot.He will use mcfadden like he should be used.Cable tried to make him a crash dummy like fargus.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
# Raider Bong Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
@ JB
cant argue with your logic, maybe you mentioned it earlier, but what would you propose to bring in troy? is a FA im not sure
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Troy Smith is a RFA with a requirement for a 5th round pick. AD would just have to offer him a contract that the Raven’s wouldn’t match. That shouldn’t be ard as AD is the King of ridiculous contracts. So, that part is a no-brainer.
Actually, Troy Smith would have been the starter for the Ravens last year had he not gotten sick just before the season start. He had won the job from Flacco. Hue Jackson who comes from the Ravens knows Smith well. I’m really surprised that Jackson is ot whispering into AD’s ear now.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Mcfadden is not an every down back.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Hue Jackson was the QB coach in Bal, not the OC.
Joe Flacco regressed in his sophomore year, hence Hue Jackson was available to the Raiders.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
The Raiders can’t even do the basics, let alone, take advantage of it’s players’s strengths.
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Dambed if that hasn’t been the truth.
Liked what I saw from the D under the Marshall plan, more blitzes, some teeth to the 3-4, zone blitzes ect and hope Hue can bring a little better play selection too.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Our offense should be ran alot like the saints run their offense.Use mcfadden like they do reggie bush.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Troy Smith is a backup too. THat’s why he sits in Baltimore for a 5th round tender.
THese coaches and personnel guys know what it takes to win in this league. THat’s why all that money and effort is spent on developing the QB position.
So many flashes in the pan that lead to a dead end. Bruce is a hard worker, so what, there are plenty of QBs like him. If he was truly solid the Raiders would have signed him to a long term contract. If he was the man some team like St.Louis or Cleveland would have signed him.
Grads, as you all call him, Troy Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick…all those guys are middling QBs that can play spot duty for you. But put them in as the starter, the Defensive Coordinators will quickly pounce on their many weaknesses..and the adolation and parent like adolation will turn to boos and calls for the new backup.
Or a 1st overall selection in the next year’s draft
March 26th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
# KoolKell Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Hue Jackson was the QB coach in Bal, not the OC.
Joe Flacco regressed in his sophomore year, hence Hue Jackson was available to the Raiders.
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Was that Jackson’s fault or Flacco’s?
Irrespective of whos fault it was, Jackson has to be an upgrade over Cable. Especially, when it comes to offensive play calling.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Ol is where its at.You can win with a jabroni qb.Just look at when dilfer won the superbowl.Ol and defense will bring home a superbowl.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
I like Troy Smith, really do but the knock on him is his short stature and like it or not, Flutie’s are few and far between.
Smith’s got great intangibles and I think where ever he goes, if he gets a shot at starting, his new teams going to be very pleased.
in fact, Shan Rat should be looking at him…NEW RUMOR started right here!
March 26th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Oh and a good running game which ties in with ol.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
I don’t know who’s fault it was for Flacco’s sophomore regression, but from what I read around here, there are no excuses for Russell.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
JB is right KoolKell. Hue Jackson is a significant upgrade to Tom freekn Cable and his lousy decision making.
Its hard to judge value in Oakland because of the Owner’s flawed decision making.
But we know that Hue Jackson had another competing offer to be an O.C for the Chicago Bears and was given credit for getting Flacco up to speed so quickly.
Therefore, since another team wanted to offer Jackson, we have to assume he’s not incompetent.
Tom Cable is incompetent when it comes to playcalling and designing an offense. INCOMPETENT. When he gets fired, he will be back to Offensive Line Coach for a ZBS team and nothing more.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
I like Troy Smith, really do but the knock on him is his short stature and like it or not, Flutie’s are few and far between.
Smith’s got great intangibles and I think where ever he goes, if he gets a shot at starting, his new teams going to be very pleased.
in fact, Shan Rat should be looking at him…NEW RUMOR started right here!
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You are right. His main negative is his height, But, I submit that he is within 1/2 of an inch of Drew Brees so I guess we all know height is not a guarantee of failure. If that were the case, JaBustus at 6′6″ would be a frigin’ star. LOL
March 26th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
I don’t know who’s fault it was for Flacco’s sophomore regression, but from what I read around here, there are no excuses for Russell.
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Teams get game disks of a QB and pick apart how offenses are tailored to the strengths of rookie QBs and pick it apart.
Sophmore fall offs are pretty common it seems.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
@ SNB
since me and him go way back, i feel comfortable calling him Grads =P
anyways, agree to disagree then. although im curious as to which QB youd like on the raider roster?
but the fact grads got those wins against what you consider sub par teams (is it possible that the steelers didnt make the playoffs because of their loss to the raiders? hmmmm…) shouldnt matter. i dont care WHO the raiders beat, as long as they get wins. if they win 10 games against sub 500 teams, and lose 8 against above 500 teams with grads getting the full 16 game workload, hey, ill take that.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Hot Shot Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Ol is where its at.You can win with a jabroni qb.Just look at when dilfer won the superbowl.Ol and defense will bring home a superbowl.
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I don’t know if you can win with JaDavis. he just hasn’t tried to be good, let alone great.
AS for the O-Line, we just need to get a RT in here immediately…and an RG. GAllery and Henderson are good at their positions. Henderson played well up until Gallery got hurt and struggled in the 2nd half of the season….but he wasn’t the reason the team was terrible.
It was shoody play calling from the unqualified O.C and lousy QB play.
The O-Line certainly struggled, but the O-Line was not the reason they lost to San Diego, Denver, Jets, Giants, K.C, Cleveland
March 26th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
For your reference:
Troy Smith, heisman Trophy Winner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udne9JTds5A
Check it out and tell me he wouldn’t do well here.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
93. True dat!
March 26th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Raider Bong,
I have seen way too many QBs flash for a game or two and that’s what I saw from Gradkowski. He didn’t stand out coming out of training camp and if Andrew Walter didn’t pout and Garcia not quit…I don’t think Gradkowski makes the roster.
2 games doesn’t mean a thing. His numbers aren’t eye-popping only completing 54% of his passes and is a career 53% passer. Granted he gutted out a good game against Pittsburgh…but remember, Byron Leftwich lit up the Redskins on Monday night as a backup for the Steelers last year…does that mean he should start again.
You need more than a couple of games to say a guy is NFL caliber. Those 2 games DO NOT erase being a 3x cut 53% passer.
And that’s what I am afraid we will ultimately get with him as the starter full time
March 26th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
JB Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
For your reference:
Troy Smith, heisman Trophy Winner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udne9JTds5A
Check it out and tell me he wouldn’t do well here.
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College don’t mean jack in the pros
March 26th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Will they Raiders Nab McNabb? Whats the gain, whats the cost?
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2010_off_season
March 26th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
JaDavis looked good in the last 2 games of 2008.
Didn’t mean jack!
March 26th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Donovan McNabb will not wind up on the scrap heap, forget about it.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Nab McNabb
“Not only could McNabb mentor a struggling Jamarcus Russell for a few years, his pocket awareness, escapability and quicker release instantly makes Oakland sketchy O line better.”
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To an EXTENT. can he make SanJay Lal a better WR coach? Can he make DHB use better form?
I hope we don’t pay too much IF this deals for real at all.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
No that was cable and the play calling.Gradkowski can win games when giving the chance.Jruss sucks i agree on that.Gannon was a just a jabroni when he came to the raiders.Gruden used him the way he should be used and he did good.You use players to their strengths and they will perform good enough to win games.Cable sucks at running the offense.
March 26th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
JB Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
For your reference:
Troy Smith, heisman Trophy Winner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udne9JTds5A
Check it out and tell me he wouldn’t do well here.
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College don’t mean jack in the pros
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Actually yeah, it does more often than not.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Hot Shot Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
No that was cable and the play calling.Gradkowski can win games when giving the chance.Jruss sucks i agree on that.Gannon was a just a jabroni when he came to the raiders.Gruden used him the way he should be used and he did good.You use players to their strengths and they will perform good enough to win games.Cable sucks at running the offense.
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I think Cable was wearing too many hats, had off field issues, line FB injuries, rookie wides, an uncaring QB and because of this a limited play book.
Still, no excuse for running Fargas right 3 times in a row against the Broncos at the goal line.
Better off with Hue for sure. Cable needs to focus on coaching, the line, possible litigation and the N.O.W.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Little Adam is reporting that a Raider source (I know, I know) says that JaMarcus is nowhere near 270, and the number most likely to be correct is 290.
I surely do hope he’s FOS like he usually is, but it would certainly explain Al’s being “in the lead” for McNabb’s services.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Take Namndi off the table, they want a top 42 pick. Give em the #39 pick, that’s it! They’ve already shown their hand, if that isnt good enough, too bad so sad. McNabb would be an instant upgrade @ qb, but not at the cost of the best coner in the league. Is Mc5’s positive at qb worth Namdi’s loss @ corner? I think not! Whoever we have @ qb, it’s IMPERITIVE we get some help on the oline & not Campbell, unless we can get him in the 2nd round (if we dont give that up 4 mcnabb)…Ah the offseason. All the speculation & rumors. Cant wait 4 training camp to start; that’s when the real evaluation starts!
March 26th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Yeah whats Mcnabb going to show Jruss.How to stand there and get sacked.Jamarcus already is a pro at that.We dont need another fat old or washed up overpaid player on our team.Had enough of that garbage.Get a qb in the draft this year or next year.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
JB Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
For your reference:
Troy Smith, heisman Trophy Winner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udne9JTds5A
Check it out and tell me he wouldn’t do well here.
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College don’t mean jack in the pros
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Actually yeah, it does more often than not.
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I agree with Nhamdi. It does mean something especially if you can win the Heisman Trophy. Troy Smith has not been passed around like the other QB’s you’ve been talking about. He would be a starter today had he not gotten ill. He has skills, pocket presence, accuracy, touch, leadership, character and above all, he’s hungry and wants to be the starter. If he came to Oakland, I have no doubt he’d win the starting position hands down.
So yes, his college experience and record do count. We let a Brees get by us once. Let’s not do it again.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
@SNB
true, you cant judge a QB over a small sample size. (you keep saying 2 but he started 4, but lets not argue over semantics) but shouldnt that make a case to let him play more games to get a better idea to see where hes at?
also, one thing grads does to well, is throw the short toss. how many times did jay-marc sail a screen pass over the dudes head? screens work wonders in the nfl (from what ive seen on the tv) and raiders dont need a flashy qb, just someone to whos able to throw a 2 yard schtick. and i think its unfair to call out grads comp % last year (small sample plus who knows how many drops by the youngsters) Id say there were at least 10 drops in that time, sounds fair? thatd boost his comp% up to 61%. not shabby.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
SnB,
It wasn’t just the last 2 games of ‘08 that Russell played well. Over the last six I believe his QB rating averaged over 90+. He was like 10-11 in a 31-10 beatdown of the Broncos in Denver, late Nov. Also looked good vs. New england in an ugly loss in the rain. He had his ups and downs that season, but by the end of the year, actually looked like a young QB in the making.
That’s what makes last years faceplant so disappointing, to me at least.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
JB, Nnamdi,
How many Heisman Trophy winning QBs are starting in the NFL…are even in the NFL
March 26th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Hot Shot Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Yeah whats Mcnabb going to show Jruss.How to stand there and get sacked.Jamarcus already is a pro at that.We dont need another fat old or washed up overpaid player on our team.Had enough of that garbage.Get a qb in the draft this year or next year.
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McNabb is not fat and washed up. Far from it.
22 TDS, 10 INTs, 3553 yds, 92.9 QB rating, 60% comp and 37 carries for 140 yds and took his team to the playoffs.
Hardly washed up or out of shape.
As for teaching Russell? There is nothing to teach him if Schefter’s report of him at 290lbs is correct. Cut JaDavis if he’s still dragging it and move on.
That’s why Davis is looking at McNabb.
His choice is a gym-rat, and a bust…Davis is not trying to go out like that…although its all his fault!
March 26th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
One real problem with the Raiders is that there’s not enough football knowledge within the organization proper, it seems. They cannot develop their own QB’s, or any draft picks, which is a huge hindrance to building a team.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
SNB
Quit being so negative. You are not happy with any suggestions. As far as the # of Heisman QB’s in the NFL? I don’t have a clue. How many QB’s won the Heisman? I don’t really know. Maybe that just means he’s an exceptional talent waiting to shine. Gannon wasn’t a star until he got here and found an offense that fit his skill set. I’m just saying only giving up a 5th round pick for a potential starter with great credentials is a better choice than the others we’ve been discussing.
You don’t want any of the QB;s we have now, you don’t really want McNabb, just tell us how you would propose to solve the known QB dilemma. My solution costs us a 5th round pick. What’s your proposed cost to be? I’m willing to listen to any solution that makes sense and is realistically capable of happening.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Raider Bong Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
@SNB
true, you cant judge a QB over a small sample size. (you keep saying 2 but he started 4, but lets not argue over semantics) but shouldnt that make a case to let him play more games to get a better idea to see where hes at?
also, one thing grads does to well, is throw the short toss. how many times did jay-marc sail a screen pass over the dudes head? screens work wonders in the nfl (from what ive seen on the tv) and raiders dont need a flashy qb, just someone to whos able to throw a 2 yard schtick. and i think its unfair to call out grads comp % last year (small sample plus who knows how many drops by the youngsters) Id say there were at least 10 drops in that time, sounds fair? thatd boost his comp% up to 61%. not shabby.
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There you go again judging “Grads” within the JaDavis Russell prizm.
He only completed 54% of his passes..drops and all…JaDavis had some big drops too that led to losses (Louis Murphy on MNF, DHB multiple x including the K.C game) etc..etc..doesn’t change the fact that JaDavis is garbage and shouldn’t be playing.
Gradkowski is bit player. The only thing he earned was a chance to compete for a roster spot…not the starting job!
Bring in McNabb and let’s see if he can our Rich Gannon for the new decade
March 26th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
SnB… I think it’s a win-win for the Raiders with McNabb. If JR is all of a sudden serious about being an NFL quarterback, McNabb’s being here could give him both the push and the guidance he needs from a real one (which, obviously, he hasn’t had since he’s been here).
If he still has his head up his ass, then we either extend McNabb or franchise him next year and look for the next Raider quarterback, draft or otherwise.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
-They cannot develop talent.
-They make tons of mental errors.
The Organization is Retarded.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
113. It was quite a let down. Escuses, laziness, apathy, what ever it was I hope its past and he’s at work now trying to get it going.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
If you watch jamarcus russels colledge tapes he did not scan the field well at all.He did avoid the rush good but he was in better shape there.He dose what ever play the coach says.He dont call autibles cause he cant read defenses.he dont study enough to be good.If he would learn and watch film tape and learn defense he might have a shot but he should learn from Gadkowski and fry to work hard and study and go early stay late to be a good Qb.Thats why gannon was good.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
McNabb is fine with me but at what cost. We still need to address DT, C, OT, MlB, OG, FB & PR/KR. We need as many picks as we can get and hopefully not lose any talent that already resides here.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
JB Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
SNB
Quit being so negative. You are not happy with any suggestions. As far as the # of Heisman QB’s in the NFL? I don’t have a clue. How many QB’s won the Heisman? I don’t really know. Maybe that just means he’s an exceptional talent waiting to shine. Gannon wasn’t a star until he got here and found an offense that fit his skill set. I’m just saying only giving up a 5th round pick for a potential starter with great credentials is a better choice than the others we’ve been discussing.
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I am trying to win just like you. Well at least discuss it. I am just asking questions. WE don’t want a warm body at QB or a guy that has more heart than JaDAvis…hell, you could throw ME out there and I will show fire and passion…we are trying to win football games because its been 8 yrs of this garbage.
So, what does it mean. The choices I have seen presented:
1. Go with JaDavis
2. Go with the Gym-Rat based on 2 or 3 games
3 Go with Troy Smith..a guy with a current 5th round tender and no takers…teams opted to give a ransom for a guy named Charlie Whitehurst
4. An 11 year pro who’s been to 6 pro-bowls a QB that has played in half of all the NFC Championship games of the last decade, just gone to the playoffs and has impressive stats…that I won’t repost.
Of the choices, option 4 gives us the best chance to win.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
-They cannot develop talent.
-They make tons of mental errors.
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And that’s why we are where we are. Couldn’t develop JaDavis or Andrew Walter…so now you have to buy someone elses player and that’s always expensive
But the Raiders are not known for developing players..never have been…because of substandard coaching and an owner that overvalues athleticism
March 26th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
JB, Nnamdi,
How many Heisman Trophy winning QBs are starting in the NFL…are even in the NFL
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Matt Lienart and Carson Palmer.
Considering they only give one a year and not everyone is a QB how many do you think would be playing in the NFL?
Tebow and Bradford will be playing next year.
I know its not the be all end all, but it certainly speaks volumes over nothing.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
SnB
How many wins would you expect with Nabb?
How many years do you expect him to contribute?
Do we get to the playoffs?
March 26th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Hot Shot Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
If you watch jamarcus russels colledge tapes he did not scan the field well at all.He did avoid the rush good but he was in better shape there.He dose what ever play the coach says.He dont call autibles cause he cant read defenses.he dont study enough to be good.If he would learn and watch film tape and learn defense he might have a shot but he should learn from Gadkowski and fry to work hard and study and go early stay late to be a good Qb.Thats why gannon was good.
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Why didn’t the team find this out during their due-diligence (LOL).
I agree that JaDavis should see the work ethic of the Gradkowski and Frye. But also remember, those two are not exceptionally hard workers…they simply do what every other good QB does that is trying to learn their craft.
Man, this JaDavis is totally unbelievable and I blame Al Davis for creating an environment where such slothfullness and irresponsibility could be tolerated
March 26th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
SNB #124
You could be right. My only concern is what we have to give in order to get him. Like I said in an earlier post, we have a half dozen real needs so every draft choice is precious.
I respect your assessment that McNabb is the best choice. I’m still confident that Smith, which would only cost us one 5h round pick (plus a contract price hat the Ravens wouldn’t match) is a less costly price than what I think they are going to have to give to get McNabb. I believe both QB’s would be successful here.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
SnB
How many wins would you expect with Nabb?
How many years do you expect him to contribute?
Do we get to the playoffs?
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McNabb gets us 3 to 4 more wins than JaDavis or the Gym-Rat
McNabb only comes back if 2010 is moderately successfull, meaning 8 or more wins
50 / 50 on a playoff run. Depends on the defense
March 26th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
first of all i think i speak for the raider nation, you don’t trade the best shut down corner in the league there are other things we can work with like a 2nd. rd pick and a 3rd maybe chris johnson for mcnabb and asante or it doesnt have to be chris johnson it could be another half a*s player cause lets face it ,we got a couple of those like fat a*s russell
March 26th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
The defense and the ol.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
This just in… Adam schefter reports Jamarcus russel weighed in at 290 pounds in training camp… smh thats 19 pounds over kawakami’s 271, and we thought that was bad. No wonder Als trying so hard to bring in mcnabb.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Tom cables pimp hand Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
This just in… Adam schefter reports Jamarcus russel weighed in at 290 pounds in training camp… smh thats 19 pounds over kawakami’s 271, and we thought that was bad. No wonder Als trying so hard to bring in mcnabb.
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Exactly TCPH. Al Davis is doing a full-court because JaDavis has failed again and going with a gym-rat with limited talent is unacceptable
March 26th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
We should trade a 3rd round pick and cable jamarcus and davis for mcnabb.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
-They cannot develop talent.
-They make tons of mental errors.
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And that’s why we are where we are. Couldn’t develop JaDavis or Andrew Walter…so now you have to buy someone elses player and that’s always expensive
But the Raiders are not known for developing players..never have been…because of substandard coaching and an owner that overvalues athleticism
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Not known for developing players?
Lester Hayes, Cliff Branch, HOWIE LONG, Nnamdi,Biekert, Burgess, Huff’s making strides, Scott, Schilens, Murphy ect.
Tons of other projects developed but thats enough
March 26th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
# Tom cables pimp hand Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
This just in… Adam schefter reports Jamarcus russel weighed in at 290 pounds in training camp… smh thats 19 pounds over kawakami’s 271, and we thought that was bad. No wonder Als trying so hard to bring in mcnabb.
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If true, OUTRAGEOUS! If he’s not down to below 250# by training camp, they should just cut his sorry ass. He will never have an opportunity handed to hm like this again. He will never play in the NFL again. He will end up owning a burger franchise in Podunk, LA. or BumFuk, MS. He will still be MadiGras King each year because of his growing large ass presence. There’s nothing funnier that some fat ass SOB asking does this robe make my ass look large?
March 26th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
JaMarcus Russell reportedly weighed in at 290 pounds when he reported for the Raiders’ offseason program.
So Oakland can scratch left tackle off its list of needs. Russell was initially reported to weigh 271, but many close to the situation immediately doubted that report. Russell, annually and incredibly overweight, isn’t doing anything to shed his emerging label as the biggest bust in NFL history.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
March 26th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Tom cables pimp hand Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
This just in… Adam schefter reports Jamarcus russel weighed in at 290 pounds in training camp… smh thats 19 pounds over kawakami’s 271, and we thought that was bad. No wonder Als trying so hard to bring in mcnabb.
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Schefter?
I’ll wait for secondary confirmation.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
If we get a good NT and a good MLB we are going to sack the hell out of QBs this year.I think thats the plan this year for the D.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
SnB
McNabb brings up 8-9 wins for a couple of years. Yep, better than 5 wins, yawn, then we start over.
Do you think McNabb’s Oakland performances would resemble his Philly games?
March 26th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
This draft, IMO seems really deep in the Raiders biggest areas of need OL,DT and MLB. There are some really good players carrying 2nd and 3rd Rd grades.
I know it’s not Al’s SOP to trade back, but this might be a year to look into it.
Hope some team becomes enamored with Jimmy Clausen, and wants to jump ahead of Buffalo, maybe. Drop back a few spots in the first, and pick up an extra 2 or 3.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
On the other hand, maybe McNabb does a few Favre like encores.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
He has skills, pocket presence, accuracy, touch, leadership, character and above all, he’s hungry and wants to be the starter
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Really JB? How do you know all this?
March 26th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Buckeye
I agree, there’s tremendous opportunity in this years’s draft for the Raiders to help themselves.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Just consider the source. Remember, Schefter is a “rumor mongerer”. Which isn’t as bad as his colleague Mort, who is a “professional liar”. At least according to Al Davis.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
The Raiders could land either the top 2 OT’s or DT’s, or MLB.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
The fact that the McNabb talk is going on tells me Russell is NOT on track.
290?????
LMFAO!
March 26th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
But then, maybe the old kindergarten refrain is true. It takes one to know one.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
He has skills, pocket presence, accuracy, touch, leadership, character and above all, he’s hungry and wants to be the starter
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Really JB? How do you know all this?
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First of all, you don’t win the Heisman unless you excel above your peers. He has the skills I referenced. Just watch some of his tapes and you’ll see much of what I referenced. Lastly, rather than pis & moan about losing the starting position due to his illness, he suported the team quietly – that’s character. Especiaslly when most of these wannabe super stars pop off at every opportunity. As far as being hungry and wanting to be the starter, I just take the man at what he has said. He asked for a trade to a club where he could become a starter. He said he’s wiling to do whatever it takes to win the job. Too bad JaBustus didn’t have the same attitude. I think that about answers your query.
See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udne9JTds5A
March 26th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I wish they would quit giving rookies so much money when they get drafted.They get that money and dont work hard like they should.Draft bust are getting more and more common and has alot to do with money.They dont play for the love of the game anymore and that sucks.Russel is a prime example.The league should fix how much rookies get paid.Make them earn a contract dont hand it to them.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Jhill
So are you finally on board that JR cant lead this team???
March 26th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
I guess we’ll have to wait until post draft OTA’s that are open to the media. Then Jerry can give us his first hand impression of what Jamarcus actually looks like. Then what in the hell was willie Brown talking about? How great Jamarcus looked, and how hard he’d worked in the offseason? I don’t know what to believe. It’s aggravating.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
JR couldnt lead a parade down the street but he could lead them to a buffet.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
# buckeyeraider Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
I guess we’ll have to wait until post draft OTA’s that are open to the media. Then Jerry can give us his first hand impression of what Jamarcus actually looks like. Then what in the hell was willie Brown talking about? How great Jamarcus looked, and how hard he’d worked in the offseason? I don’t know what to believe. It’s aggravating.
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Willie Brown is a good AD soldier. He not going to espouse anything but the corporate line. In this case, keep playing your fiddle, it’s just a little campfire and Jabustus will be bringing the weenie.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Mcnabb signs with Oak this year, Cable is as good as gone. Welcome back Chucky next year. Book it!
March 26th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
4eve,
If Jamarcus Russell is 290 lbs right now, and we are really going after McNabb, then Russell is probably done as a Raider.
That doesn’t change anything I’ve said in the past. I still don’t want to cut the guy, and if Gradkowski is the best QB on the team, we need to get someone else. Like McNabb, lol.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
SnB
McNabb brings up 8-9 wins for a couple of years. Yep, better than 5 wins, yawn, then we start over.
Do you think McNabb’s Oakland performances would resemble his Philly games?
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I think it could get interesting with McNabb. Nnamdi corrected me somewhat, there is some talent on the offense that has done well when the QB does well.
Schilens, Murphy and JLH (I know, I know) are intriguing players to say the least. A QB that can increase the completion percentage by a few points with some of these game breakers equals yards. Then you have Miller who is already shining despite the challenges. Michael Bush full-time should be interesting….even if he just shines every other game…and DMAC used properly is a threat.
So it comes down to the O-Line. Again, Gallery and Henderson are good for the left side, so its about shoring up that RT spot and the RG spot. That’s doable, while still trading for McNabb.
On defense, the dynamic does change with some points on the board, however, that run defense has to be addressed. Can they get a NT that contributes on day 1?
Take all the above and the fact that the schedule is doable playing the AFC and NFC West…who knows. Played San Diego tough twice with complete baffoonery on the sidelines and at Qb….those games are winnable with McNabb….we don’t lose to K.C, Washington or Cleveland for that matter with a McNabb. And even the Houston game is in play.
I say yes, 8 to 10 with a real QB that can throw deep with accuracy, throw mid range well and can do the short game and the screen.
It makes it interesting. I’ll say that much. More intereting than “JaDavis and the Gynm-rats”
March 26th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Tom cables pimp hand Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
This just in… Adam schefter reports Jamarcus russel weighed in at 290 pounds in training camp… smh thats 19 pounds over kawakami’s 271, and we thought that was bad. No wonder Als trying so hard to bring in mcnabb.
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I’ll wait for secondary confirmation.
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He could be lying but Schefters usually pretty accurate, and with jamarcus’s history, this story doesn’t seem that far fetched.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
# Hot Shot Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
JR couldnt lead a parade down the street but he could lead them to a buffet.
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Actually he can lead a parade. He did so recently as the Madi Gras king. See attached link: http://media.al.com/live/photo/jamarcus-russell-mardi-gras1jpg-e1d57f0c204afe9c.jpg
He actually looks at home in this getup. The BLING KING RULES!
March 26th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
JB Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
He has skills, pocket presence, accuracy, touch, leadership, character and above all, he’s hungry and wants to be the starter
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Really JB? How do you know all this?
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First of all, you don’t win the Heisman unless you excel above your peers. He has the skills I referenced. Just watch some of his tapes and you’ll see much of what I referenced. Lastly, rather than pis & moan about losing the starting position due to his illness, he suported the team quietly – that’s character. Especiaslly when most of these wannabe super stars pop off at every opportunity. As far as being hungry and wanting to be the starter, I just take the man at what he has said. He asked for a trade to a club where he could become a starter. He said he’s wiling to do whatever it takes to win the job. Too bad JaBustus didn’t have the same attitude. I think that about answers your query.
See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udne9JTds5A
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Dude, don’t try to convince me of anything with college tape. I liked Smith in college too, but he hasn’t played in the NFL. You don’t know a damn thing about how he reads NFL defenses or how his accuracy would be in a real game. You act like he’s been starting for 10 years or something.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Hot Shot Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I wish they would quit giving rookies so much money when they get drafted.They get that money and dont work hard like they should.Draft bust are getting more and more common and has alot to do with money.They dont play for the love of the game anymore and that sucks.Russel is a prime example.The league should fix how much rookies get paid.Make them earn a contract dont hand it to them.
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Some guys need a lot of structure and discipline around them. Oakland will never be that place with its lack of leadership on the coaching staff and lockerroom.
But JaDavis in Baltimore for example. you think Lewis, Reed, Mason, Harbaugh and the rest allow that to happen? No freekn way.
Lewis would have mentored the shhhh out of JaDavis.
We know that’s not happening in Oakland and we are all keenly aware of why.
So let’s just move on and chalk it up to the game. McNabb puts the Raiders back in play to have a meaningful game past Halloween!
March 26th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
There is NO reason for Russell to not be out in front of the cameras to some degree if he were anywhere near 250.
I find it hard to believe that he is not accessible. It’s not like Oakland is some big ass town, and folks don’t know where Alameda is.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
If philly is really pushing to get our 2nd round pick and Davis isn’t budging, that puts more pressure on us to make that pick even more worth while. Its gotta be a solid pick like a Zach Miller and not a reach like Routt or Langston effing walker.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Al DAVIS HAS COJONES Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
If philly is really pushing to get our 2nd round pick and Davis isn’t budging, that puts more pressure on us to make that pick even more worth while. Its gotta be a solid pick like a Zach Miller and not a reach like Routt or Langston effing walker.
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Or Mike Mitchell…again, love his attitude. Did he fill a need?
March 26th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Maaan… If you don’t believe the raiders would be an improved team with mcnabb on the team you’re a baffoon. Mcnabb is 100 tomes better than rich gannon ever was and our d would be improved just because they won’t be on the field as much with a real qb on our team. I’d do it for a 2nd round pick. I don’t think there’s any kid coming out of the second round that would have as much impact on this team as mcnabb would. Mcnabb would help the entire offense and coaching staff because he’s a true vet and a leader ther players would believe in. A team led by mcnabb, seymour, and nnamdi with a coach that cares doesn’t sound too shabby to me . Better than collins,moss,sapp, and a coach with no balls.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
true that pimp hand
March 26th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
TCPH says:
“I’d do it for a 2nd round pick. I don’t think there’s any kid coming out of the second round that would have as much impact on this team as mcnabb would.”\
Exactly. We get more value for that 2nd round pick then some inevitable reach that DAvis will make anyway.
1st and 2nd round picks are not overrated in Oakland. The value for Oakland is in the mid to late rounds. So to me a 4th rounder actually has more value than a 2nd round or 1st rounder because of the Owners decision making.
Make the deal and let’s see what happens.
King Elexis weighs 290 pounds
March 26th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Dude, don’t try to convince me of anything with college tape. I liked Smith in college too, but he hasn’t played in the NFL. You don’t know a damn thing about how he reads NFL defenses or how his accuracy would be in a real game. You act like he’s been starting for 10 years or something.
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First of all, I’m to old to be a dude and believe me, I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I was unaware that you had the power to make those kind of decisions come to pass. I’m merely expressing my opinion based on what I’ve seen & heard. Smith was set as the Raven’s starter and then he became ill and lost the starting position to Flacco. That’s a fact! He never got the opportunity to get his starting role back because Flacco got hot. The rest as it pertains to that, is history. With regards to accuracy and touch, that’s not something that goes away because you go to the pros. You either have it or you don’t. He does, Jabustus doesn’t. You may not like my observations and that is certainly your right. Just don’t read my posts if they upset you. My posts are not intended to upset you, honest.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Hell yea. We took heyward bey in the first last year and could have got mitchell in later rounds.smh So our I agree with snb our picks are overrated. Hell we gave up a 1st for seymour last year, and I think mcnabb would do more than seymour.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Jhill. I KNOW Jruss weigh in was pretty disappointing. You know how I know…these McNabb rumors. Where there is smoke their is fire and if it does or doesn’t happen, what is encouraging to me is that Jruss isn’t the sacred cow (tee hee) that al wanted him to be. If he was, all this would never even be discussed. Jruss has 3 mil guaranteed left, after that, it will cost nothing to cut him. Would they be making a move for McNabb, or sign Gradkowski to a second round tender, if they had some faith that Jruss was showing ANY signs of improvement…he could be cheap.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
JHill,
I guess you were right and I was wrong the other night. I really thought K. Wimbley would be a rotational pass rushing DE, Spelling Shaunessy or Seymour on passing downs w/Rich sliding inside. But I guess Cable said he is going to be a starting OLB.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Where did you get that 290 number special teams?
March 26th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
I heard it too.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Hot Shot Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I wish they would quit giving rookies so much money when they get drafted.They get that money and dont work hard like they should.Draft bust are getting more and more common and has alot to do with money.They dont play for the love of the game anymore and that sucks.Russel is a prime example.The league should fix how much rookies get paid.Make them earn a contract dont hand it to them.
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Some guys need a lot of structure and discipline around them. Oakland will never be that place with its lack of leadership on the coaching staff and lockerroom.
But JaDavis in Baltimore for example. you think Lewis, Reed, Mason, Harbaugh and the rest allow that to happen? No freekn way.
Lewis would have mentored the shhhh out of JaDavis.
We know that’s not happening in Oakland and we are all keenly aware of why.
So let’s just move on and chalk it up to the game. McNabb puts the Raiders back in play to have a meaningful game past Halloween!
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Everyone needs to calm down! If JR is 291, and that’s a big IF, who gives a fuk? For all we know, he lost weight. The bottom line is it’s only March. He’s at the facility working. Why get your panties all tied up in a wad everytime some pencil-neck geek like Schefter or Kawakami checks in with another JR zinger? We’ve all seen him win games for us. Let’s see how it plays out.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
What position do you want the next diamond in the rough (like a chaz shillens or super mario) we find play?
-RT?
-LB?
-C?
-OG ?
March 26th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
special teams – I get fired up because this guy is an issue and if he does weight 291, it shows that he continues to not get it. I love this team, for this guy to put so little into this makes me sick.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
291 is indicative of that.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
Trevor Scott, Donald Butler (Washington, 6′1″-245#) and Wimbley will make a great starting group of LB’s able to stuff the run. Dan Williams and or Suh (traded up for) would dramatically impact the run defense. Combined, we could be a top 5 defense against the run.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
Report: JaMarcus a svelte 290
Posted by Mike Florio on March 26, 2010 10:24 PM ET
If Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell indeed suffers from lethargy addiction, it has not affected Russell’s willingness to move his hand from his plate to his mouth.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports, citing two sources, that Russell recently weighed in at 290 pounds.
Raiders director of squad development Willie Brown recently promised that Russell, the first pick in the 2007 draft, had lost “quite a bit of weight.” It’s possible that Brown is telling the truth and that Schefter’s report is accurate. This would mean that, in the past, Russell had been significantly heavier than his listed weight of 260.
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Cut this turd now.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
And I don’t think 291 is a big if
March 26th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
If JR is 290 lbs, AL will cut him before paying him 9 mill to be in the opening roster. He will get cut a day before the season starts. Book it lol.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
With regards to accuracy and touch, that’s not something that goes away because you go to the pros. You either have it or you don’t. He does, Jabustus doesn’t.
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JB, you make no sense. On the one hand, you say JR has no accuracy and touch. On the other, those are things that don’t go away when you go to the pros. I guess you’ve never seen JR play in college. Since you’re such a big fan of youtube, check out his college highlights sometime and get back to me. By the way, his completion percentage his junior was 67.8.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
HE is already thinking that. See McNabb and Gradkowski
March 26th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
You know how I know…these McNabb rumors.
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Yeah, I said that a little earlier. Don’t think McNabb is coming though. Don’t think we’ll give up either of our top 2 picks which means it’s Gradkowski or Frye for us.
We just really need to go Oline at 8 so we can keep those 2 guys upright.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
If Russell is 300 lbs, put his big azz at DT and use the #8 pick on a OT.
Problem solved.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
Debo,
If Russell is 290 right now, then it’s a wrap man.
Unless of course he was 350 last year, lol.
The funny thing is, Schefter reported earlier that Russell had lost a bunch of weight and even changed his throwing mechanics.
Williamson from BSPN also reported a lot of weight loss, so WTF.
Ridiculous that it’s even an issue and that something Russell has to be accountable for.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Mythbusters did prove you can polish a turd.If russel can study defense and his offensive plays scan the feild better work hard he could be good.Good luck though.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
With regards to accuracy and touch, that’s not something that goes away because you go to the pros. You either have it or you don’t. He does, Jabustus doesn’t.
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JB, you make no sense. On the one hand, you say JR has no accuracy and touch. On the other, those are things that don’t go away when you go to the pros. I guess you’ve never seen JR play in college. Since you’re such a big fan of youtube, check out his college highlights sometime and get back to me. By the way, his completion percentage his junior was 67.8.
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Iwas refering to Smith but the same should hold true for JaBustus. He did has a couple of great receivers and it was college so the CB’s aren’t as good as you’d find in the NFL. That might explain a little about his accuracy percentage while in LSU. Nonetheless, I don’t know why he’s not as good now as he was but he has regressed from his college days. We’ve all seen that. He has absolutely no touch at all. He throws the fastball no matter where its going or how far away the receiver is. I personally think his biggest concern is getting hit and losing the ball. He ends up rushing the play and voila, another miss. His weight probably has a lot to do with his regression. He’s not as mobile and has far less time to make a play. If he were below 250# he’d be a lot quicjker on his feet and might be able to extend a play.
Believe me when I say I’d really like him to be successful but from what we’ve seen so far, it might be too late. He’s now fat, dumb & happy and appears to have no real desire to do what it takes to excel. I think in this case the huge amount of money really corrupted his value system and he finds himself in a downward spiral from which he can’t recover. It’s really too bad for all involved. But as I’m sure you already know NFL also stands for “NOT FOR LONG”. Im afraid his last hurrah is soon to arrive. And, if he’s not up to the task, he WILL be kicked to the curb.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Russell at DT is not a bad idea. He’s so slow he won’t go offsides.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
Buckeye
post#153 why do you give a flip what Russell loooks like in MARCH? Why do yoou guy’s let the media constantly keep you upset?
The HC said he’s doing everythinng the organizatin is asking of him, what the hell else do you need to know?
March 26th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
JHill,
That’s what I was saying earlier. You hear so many different things, it’s hard to know what to believe. I’ve been about as big a Russell supporter as there is on here. But, if this guy did show up at close to 300 lbs., that would be truly heartbreaking.
And it could be why Al is rumored to be going after McNabb. He could be disgusted and ready to cut JR.
Or, it could just be Al thinks he can get a probowl caliber veteran QB on the cheap, and maybe catch lightening in a bottle. And possibly buy JR more time to watch and learn. Who the hell knows?
March 26th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
** One last thing: I hear that Adam Schefter said today Russell weighed 290 pounds. Believe it. I mentioned earlier this week that, according to two league sources, Russell weighed well over the reported 271 pounds — and reports he trained in Arizona were way overstated.
If you want to know why the Raiders would have any interest in trading for McNabb, that’s a fantastic place to start.
Posted By: David White (Email, Twitter) | March 26 2010 at 05:44 PM
March 26th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
They said that last year and look how Russel played.Cable said he was ready and doing good until half the season went out the window.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
# Hot Shot Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Mythbusters did prove you can polish a turd.If russel can study defense and his offensive plays scan the feild better work hard he could be good.Good luck though.
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lol. I saw that episode.
Its not about talent. Kid has tons of it. He just doesn’t give a sht. That is what makes me so angry.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Tom cable was lying last year too.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Do we really have to talk about Jawalrus. I dont care if he is 225lbs. I doubt he will ever have the brains to play the QB position in the NFL. Sorry but that’s the way it is. When you can’t even put a sentence together, How can you have enough IQ to undertstand the complex NFL offense and defense?
March 26th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
jhill Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
Debo,
If Russell is 290 right now, then it’s a wrap man.
Unless of course he was 350 last year, lol.
The funny thing is, Schefter reported earlier that Russell had lost a bunch of weight and even changed his throwing mechanics.
Williamson from BSPN also reported a lot of weight loss, so WTF.
Ridiculous that it’s even an issue and that something Russell has to be accountable for.
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Add to that Kawakami’s report. Who the hell knows what to believe? Here’s my problem. Everyone on this site is in aggreement that our OL sucks. Most everyone agrees that DHB sucks and that overall the rookie WRs struggled this season, especially early. The running game tanked. Almost everyone questions Tom Cable’s play design and play calling. Obviously AD did or else we wouldn’t have Hue Jackson. So is it really out of the realm of possibility that our young QB, who showed promise just the season before, regressed? I’m just not convinced that his weight is the problem. I’ll take the JR that beat Denver any day of the week. I am a firm believer that any QB is only as good as his supporting cast.
March 26th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Man, what most of you just don’t understand in here is that Jerry doesn’t give a flyin flip what Russell really looks like in March. What he does care about is that YOU care what Russell looks like. And the YOU keep coming in here and commenting on it. So he can keep a job………….period.
He knws thatif he stirs the pot evry one of you will make a million comments regarding Russell and that ALL he cares about.
It’s about time that you guy’s stop reacting to every snide remark and enuendo that the media puts out there. LISTEN TO WHAT THE ORGANIZATION HAS TO SAY and the rest doesn’t matter. IT only matters what Cable thinks about Russell’s weight or attitude and he has made his statement just read it and move on……….period
March 26th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
the funny thing about all of this is why is it a big deal going after mcnabb when arizona did the same sh!t with leinart going after warner? can we just get somebody who can win now while not worrying about a qb competition? we dont know anything about this russell situation until we see the dude. im just glad we may get a proven guy to lead this team. alot of these stupid hacks would tell u we have no talent. these are the same goofballs that said seymour wouldnt come here also.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
I dont agree that dhb sucks. I’m hoping he can learn how to sell his routs this offseason and has a breakout sophomore year.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
aig are u really that stupid? dude can speak but is probably shy around the media. ive seen him speak around his family in a espn report at lsu and he was fine speaking in his comfort zone. what the hell does being articulate have to do with playing football? and u call him the dummy, haha!!! you prefer gards over mcnabb which says alot.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
Priest,
Like I said. I’ve been about as big a JR supporter as there is. I’ve compared his raw physical skills to a young John Elway,and his unflappable demeanor to Ken Stabler. Earlier tonight I pointed out how well he was playing at the end of the ‘08 season. I made every excuse possible for his struggles last year. Poor o-line play, lack of a running game, rookie wide receivers, poor play calling, coaching instability, and on and on.
But, Jeezus H. Christ, you can’t play QB at close to 300 lbs. And if that is what he weighed in at, then maybe he wasn’t working out as hard as I had hoped. Maybe he just doesn’t get it, or really want it. And I find that disappointing. I’m pulling for the guy, and I still hope he can get it together. But he is running out of chances.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
It’s really not about Russell, it’s about the QB of the Raiders.
The fact that we are trying to get McNabb is HUGE! Al will not trade for him and then let him walk as a FA so that HAS to mean something in regards to the #1 overall pick.
If we feel the same way about Russell that Az does about Matt Leinart, then we need to cut Russell now, do what it takes to get McNabb, and draft John Skelton.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Armond,
On top of that when Cable said that he had talked to Richard and that Seymour was loking forwward to being a Raider they basically called Cable a LIAR.
My point is they will always spin it negatively, every single time. That’s what they do………..period
March 26th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
I think the media thing isn’t as bad as it used to be. Of course Cable was called a LIAR, because he was lying, lol.
Of course Seymour didn’t want to come to a team that was 4-12 and not a playoff contender. Be it the Raiders or the Packers, I’m sure he preferred to go to a winning team.
Of course Cable has to lie, I mean tote the company line of Seymour wanted to be here. What else could he say?
Now a year later, Seymour may have very well “settled in”.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Raider75 Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Its not about talent. Kid has tons of it. He just doesn’t give a sht. That is what makes me so angry.
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I totally agree! It drives me insane that he has more talent in that pot belly than Grads could drem to have! But the average-talent polock has what Russell seemingly never will heart & a desire to be great. Russell seems to believe he already is great & his failure is everyone else’s fault. Pathetic!!!!! Accountability, dedication, commitment-these are what a franchise qb MUST have or he’s just a talented bust. Get your #### together Jamarcus!!
March 26th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Jhill,
Why would you cut Russell? getting McNabb is an assett to Russell IMO not a reason to cut him. McNabb would be great for Russell. Also AZ is very high on Leinert and have been through the entire Warner duration it helped the organization get to the SB and gave Leinert an excellent example to study.
On the contrary I think McNabb strengthens how the plan to use Russell. Now obviously they will have to adjust that salary but that’s about it.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Jhill,
Why would you cut Russell?
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Russell is not going to play as long as McNabb is here. McNabb would be signed to an extension and probably start for the next 5 years.
THIS was supposed to be the year for Russell. Not 5 years from now. If it’s gotten to the point where we are trying to bring in McNabb, then it’s time to just move on. Unless Russell will be a better sport than Andrew Walter was, I just don’t see how adding McNabb and keeping Russell is any different.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Jhill,
Cable didn’t lie if anyone lied it would have to be Seymour because they would never have made that trade if Seymour didn’t want to come here. The same is true with McNabb if he doesn’t wan to to come here it would be lunacy to trade for him. You wuld essentially be giving up a year of development for Russell just to borrow McNabb for a year. That just doesn’t make any sense. Richard seymour said himself that he wanted to come here once he ot over the shock of the trade which he said was about a day. His display on MNF vs the Chargers showed proof positive that he indeed wanted to be a Raider which he says was his childhood dream.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Priest,
Post 208. That’s basically what I said at the end of post 192. Al could be disgusted with JR, or he could just realize this is an opportunity to get a probowl caliber veteran QB on the cheap, and maybe catch lightning in a bottle. And also buy JR more time to watch and learn.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Armond,
Are you that ignorant? It has been documented over and over again last season that we can’t understand wtf JR was saying at times. Many posters on here can attest to that.
Oh yeah, you don’t know jackshyt about football. The QB position is a position that requires intelligence and leadership. These are called the intangibles. You look at this year’s analysis of the QB position and you hear “intangibles” being thrown around by just about every analyst out there. Here’s football 101 for you. A good QB = leadership, accuracy, and intelligence. Take a look at all the good the QB’s in the league now and most of them have those. dumba$$.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
You can have Macnabb Farve Manning Brady or Superman.If they dont adress the OL The same thing will continue to happen here.Hue jackson will make a little difference.The play calling will be alot better now.Cable and Al Davis is the major problems.period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 26th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
jhill we dont even know how long al would want to sign him for. it may be 3 years or just 2 depending on what we give up. im not believing anything until it /if it happens. i will say this, it will be one hell of a press conference. i still believe more of this russell stuff will come out as jr and the organization fukked up what couldve been a perfect marriage. ill holdout hope until we see the conclusion to this drama. i have never seen something so simple be so hard in my life. does it really have to be this damn hard to develope a qb?
March 26th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
I have to disagree, McNabb couldn’t start over Russell for 5 years he could barely do it for 2 He’s 10 years lder than Russell. McNabb has never been in great shape and I would guess maybe has 2 real good years left before the decline. Which would make Russell rughly 26 years old. Same age as Leinert now and Alex Smith and the same age as most QB’s when they are really ready to lead.
I think you are really underestimating Russell’s talent in 2 years there will be very few QB’s that will beat that kid out in an open competition. I think he would push McNabb right now but McNabb’s experience is just way to much. Physically speaking Russell would have him on the run.
LOL just wait until July you’ll see what I mean.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
I dont understand where anyone thought Russell looked at all slimmer when he drove into Alameda recently. Everyone was going on about how much slimmer he looked. But for me, you could see his huge Santa gut over the top of the car door and his bulky fat face and neck. Like he hadn’t lost anything at all from the last time i saw him week 17.
Imo, the minute we sign McNabb, the minute Russell gets cut. Not brought in to mentor Russell at all. Just cut.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Don’t trade any draft picks.
We need to draft offensive and defensive tackles in the first two rounds.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
aig Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Armond,
Are you that ignorant? It has been documented over and over again last season that we can’t understand wtf JR was saying at times. Many posters on here can attest to that.
Oh yeah, you don’t know jackshyt about football. The QB position is a position that requires intelligence and leadership. These are called the intangibles. You look at this year’s analysis of the QB position and you hear “intangibles” being thrown around by just about every analyst out there. Here’s football 101 for you. A good QB = leadership, accuracy, and intelligence. Take a look at all the good the QB’s in the league now and most of them have those. dumba$$.
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I guess you define intelligence as sounding good in an interview. Or maybe the Wonderlic score. Kind of like Trent Edwards or Alex Smith. Great Qbs, huh? Bottom line is you have no clue how “intelligent” JR is. It’s football dude!! It’s not rocket science. Quit making the position out to be something it’s not. I could care less how he sounds in interviews. And to be quite honest, the times I’ve seen him he’s come off as very bright and polite. The JR hatred has gotten so far out of hand!
March 26th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
aig u damn dufus they said terry bradshaw was some dumb hick and how did that work out? u dont know football cuz u were ignorant enuff to say mcnabb is a system qb. u prefer grads over mcnabb which like i said says alot. how u speak in public doesnt mean u are smart or stupid, stupid. look at all of the articulate politicians that do stupid things. are u telling me u have to be smarter to be an nfl qb than to come up with quality public policy? 2 many of yall take football too serious so get over yourself.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
another thing aig aka yoda, i dont care what a bunch of judgemental prick azz bloggers think. alot people on here said we shouldnt have drafted matt shawny cuz of the way he spoke in that interview. now they all kiss his azz cuz how he speaks isnt indicative of how he plays.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
im sorry i meant alot of people. i know u couldnt understand that.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Remember Russell just upped and left after week 17, didn’t stay around for team meetings. Rumored went to Vegas. Raiders denying it all. But it’s pretty obvious by now, connect the dots…Russell refuses to restructure, Russell effs off to Vegas, breaks team meeting, Raiders resort to “Arizona” info to deflect attention, Russell shows up 290 lbs and a day late to camp, McNabb trade talk occurs.
Russell has taken the franchise for a ride, a thief and a bum. Davis knows it and is moving forward with ridding himself of the trash.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
cable is half the reason why JR is not doing well.Talk about a confused coach.He didnt know what he was doing 90% of the time.Hes the worst offensive coach I ever seen.Had recievers running into each other.It looked like the three stoges out there alot of times.How are you going to throw passes to recievers who dont know what to do cause cable was an idiot.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Goodnight Nation.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Armond and Debo, you see what I mean. Now he showed up at 290 I would like to know who weighed him in. Because the Raiders never weighed him when he got here. That’s what I was told. I’ve talked to player that are out there with him everyday and they say he’s lost a lot of weight especially Tyvon Branch. But our weight specialist GG knows different.
Jhill,
It’s a awaste of time and energy worrying abut things that haven’t happened. I gaurantee you this Russell will be a Raider this season and into the forseable future wether McNabb is here or not.
March 26th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Let’s all just agree to disagree on the QB quandry. It will be whatever AD wants it to be.
I think we can all agree on the fact that no matter who the QB is, without a decent O-line, no one will be successful. Both the run and pass suffer when the O-line sucks and THAT is where we are right now. Minimally, we need C, ROT & RG in that order. This draft is rich in talent that addresses our need. Hopefully, AD sees it the same way and picks accordingly. Wimbley was a good pick-up for the D. We still need a thumper both at DT & MLB. By adding those two positions plus the Wimbley add, our run defense should be much improved. I suggest Dan Williams for NT and Donald Butler for MLB. the D-line would be Shaughnessy, Kelly, Williams & Seymour. At LB we’d have Scott (SSLB, Butler (MLB) & Wimbley. In the backfield would be Asomugha, CJ, Huff & Branch. Mitchell would also fit in there somehow too. To me, that lineup looks damn good.
With the picks I like, we’d end up on the O-line with Henderson, Gallery, Pouncey, Petrus & T. Washington. We have 3 excellent TE’s and more than adequate young talent at WR assuming we have someone decent playing QB.
With this batch of talent, they’d have to play well unless the coaching killed us. As far as coaches go I believe the 1st to be replaced is Sanjai Lai. Cable needs to spend his time on the O-line and AD needs to let Marshall run the D how he sees fit without interference from above.
The potential to have a good season is there. We just need AD to make the right picks. This draft is crucial to our future success.
March 26th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Debo,
What about Peyton Manning? now there’s a Rhode Scholar…lol
March 26th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
I agree JB.Hugh jackson will call better plays so we fixed that problem and like you said the draft tells it all.well see what Al freakin Davis does.
March 26th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Big Ben Rothlesberger wont be curing cancer anytime soon either. lol
March 26th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
priest thats what im saying too. kawakami and schefter report 2 different things and the arizona training was confirmed yet that fat fukk d white says it wasnt as big. i dont know what to believe and wont worry about it. the truth will come out and when it does then it will be settled. i dont take football this damn serious. btw, why does big ben get a free pass from the media and “the im not a racist crowd?” chris henry wasnt a raider but got ripped to shreds on this blog just like pacman and a whole bunch of darkies. goodell suspended pacman without him being convicted but he wants to “talk” to big ben. why arent people saying how big a disgrace he is right now?
March 26th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
For obvious reason Armond it’s less criminal when whites committ crimes. Much more agregious when blacks committ the same crimes, allegedly crimes. Can you imagine if Donovan McNabb would’ve been accused of the same things. There would be questions as to why he would be allowed in the facility until questions were answered. They’re burying that story quicker than anything I’ve seen since Joe Montana’s alleged cocaine abuse.
Everybodies behind that dude destroying evidence. But it is what it is, SOS just a different day.
March 26th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Doesn’t matter if JaMoron weighs 270 or 290.
The only thing lower than JaMoron’s QB rating is his IQ.
JR is a certified MORON.
Anyone that’s had the displeasure of actually listening to this retard attempt to put a coherent thought together in an interview immediately comes to the conclusion that JaMoron is mentally challenged.
Of course, there are people here that believe that JaMoron’s inability to utter an understandable sentence is not a reflection of his intelligence or lack thereof.
These same people will also tell you that JaMoron is an accurate QB and that his completion percentage at LSU is proof of this.
These people won’t believe their ears when they listen to JaMoron babble and they won’t believe their eyes when it’s obvious JaMoron couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.
All these people will do is continue to believe and assure everyone that JaMoron has great ‘talent’.
Well, here’s another truth about JaMoron — he has great physical ability but very little talent.
He’s a big strong guy with a powerful arm. That’s physical ability – NOT TALENT.
A talented QB can read a defense. A talented QB can manipulate defenders with his eyes or pump fakes. A talented QB can audible when necessary. A talented QB has touch. A talented QB has awareness and pocket presence. A talented QB has leadership qualities and can unite the team.
JaMoron has NONE of these talents.
All he has is physical ability.
He doesn’t have the brain power, will power, and maybe not even the desire to to harness his great physical ability and be a franchise QB. In fact, his mental limitations are so severe he’ll never even be a decent NFL QB.
Now I’m not a big fan of McNabb. In my opinion McNabb is a very average QB when he’s playing in the pocket. McNabb at one time was a very dangerous QB that could demolish any defense by extending a play and moving around. Those days might be behind him. The best part of his game is on the decline. However, he remains an accurate deep passer and disguises and throws a nice screen pass (something JaMoron is incapable of).
Would bringing in McNabb be the right move ? I’m not sure.
But I am sure of one thing….
THE GREATEST ADDITION THE RAIDERS CAN MAKE IS ONE OF SUBTRACTION: DUMP RUSSELL NOW !
March 26th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
No way we trade Aso, but a 2nd round pick for McNabb? Sure. Grad is a fighter, but I don’t see him as the solution at QB. The winning drive against the Steelers, that rainbow of a softball he launched into center field (which their safety amazingly dropped) illustrates his limitations.
If JRuss doesn’t come around and actually win the job, one can’t ignore all those NFC championship games to which McNabb led his team (the one Super Bowl performance notwithstanding).
March 26th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Raideman99, pisses that he might be doing things right doesn’t it. You can’t wait until he fails and gets cut. Right? hate him don’t ya’?
Tooo bad sucka he’s still here and will be a much better playr than any of you will be able to stand.
Keep hating! it’s even getting fun to watching your frustration.
March 26th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Richochet Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
# Richochet Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
And what part of I’M MARRIED confuses you?
I have kids…when you have kids…YOU DON’T HAVE THE LUXURY OF GOING OUT EACH NIGHT ON THE WEEKEND, you fool.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What part of “get a baby sitter” is too hard for you to mentally grasp? Shoot wack-o you are here all day every day, and here on Friday and Saturday nights all night. You must be some great catch! Your wife must think you are the greatest thing since, well, since they invented the trash can.
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Again, you’re a freaking idiot, and a liar.
go post my post times for this week, head up ass cross posting loser…
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Wacky, you come off beaten down, tired, beaten, sad and beaten. And now I am going to start REALLY teeing off on you. Dead beat dad.
March 26th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Doesn’t matter if JaMoron weighs 270 or 290.
The only thing lower than JaMoron’s QB rating is his IQ.
JR is a certified MORON.
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Actually Raiderman99 no one has ever come out and said Jamarcus is stupid. Not his high school or college coaches, not the organization, not the Wonderlic test, not his friends, no one. Now, Wack-o-sheeit and MistabrOwn are S-T-U-P-I-D. But Russell isn’t. Change that.
March 26th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Post #232
Well put. I can’t personally knowingly comment on his intelligence because I don’t really know him. I can say however that his attitude or lack thereof, leads one to believe in the direction that has been stated in post #232.
He has been given an extraordinary opportunity and to date, has done everything possible to squander it. What a waste! He’ll no doubt wake up 50 years from now and will still be wondering where he went wrong.. The likelihood is that he probably still won’t understand it then either. Stupid is as stupid does.
March 26th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
He might be doing things right ?
LMAO !
It’s his 4th year with the team. I’d hope he ‘might’ be doing things right.
As I’ve said before, I think way too much is being made out of JaMoron’s conditioning and weight issues.
I don’t think JaMoron being heavy hurts his game inordinantly and I don’t think he’d be much better if he played at 250.
No Preist, I’m not pissed that JaMoron ‘might’ be doing the right things — I’m pissed that Raider fans have to even wonder if their franchise QB ‘might’ be doing the right things.
You’re right about one thing though. I can’t wait til JaMoron gets cut. Not because I hate JaMoron, but because I love the Raiders.
JaMoron is an anchor that will sink the Raider ship even with a good supporting cast around him.
I’m confident Al Davis is going to build another good team. And I’m also confident that JR won’t be a part of the Raider resurgence.
We’ll find out soon enough.
March 26th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Still got Russell’s back.
This just in, I heard a rumor on footballprospeak.com that Russell actually wiehgs THREE HUNDRED POUNDS but its all muscle!
Hes so ripped makes Lou Ferrigno crap his Speedo and will bust thru defensive lines like Herman Munster on crack!!!
Why not while were blindly, rampantly speculating. Way to keep the Raiders in the news and relevent even thought the team has sucked for seven years.
Davis isn’t as stupid as some of you think.
Of course I say this before draft day…
MUNSTER!!!
March 26th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
To all you Jawalrus believers… I rest my case with Raiderman99 post 232. Best post of the nite.
To Armond,
You want to talk McNabb.
1. Tell me why his team loses when he is in there but they win when Westbrook is in there and touches the ball 20x per game. 2008 season…5-1 with Westbrook touching 20 times. 3-4-1 when he doesnt. So is it McNabb or Westbrook that affects his team’s win/loss?
2. Tell me why all of McNabb’s backups have put up great numbers when they replace him. One of them made a probowl. One of them got a 2nd round from Miami. Yet both of those backups have not been successful at their subsequent teams.
Perhaps it’s because Reid has a good system there?
I look forward to your rebuttal. if you got any.
March 26th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
This just in, I heard a rumor on footballprospeak.com that Russell actually wiehgs THREE HUNDRED POUNDS but its all muscle!
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Well LeBron is 275, and Ron Artest is 265, so I guess anything is possible, lol.
March 26th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
Priesttj,post 234,what are you saying about JRuss? What are you seeing that many dont? Im a JRuss fan,got his back, but one has to put the TEAM first,and in my opinion, lets bring in a proven QB,DM would give the Raiders the best chance to win,PERIOD as you like to say! Some of us are waiting
March 26th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
For Al “get over it” Davis to be engaging in serious trade talks for McNabb is proof enough that Russell has frittered away Davis’ patience, with off-season weight problems and refusal to renegotiate a smaller contract. That he’s committed to getting rid of Russell.
March 27th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Rockstar, I would take Russell Okung, to answer your earlier question.
March 27th, 2010 at 12:45 am
So did Al punk Kawakami by leaking the 271 weight.If so who do we believe.I am 99 percent sure Jamarcus weighs 290 and will never get it.I have seen and read too much to believe that Jamarcus even cares about succeeding.I honestly believe as far as he is concerned he made more money then he ever imagined and is perfectly OK with that.Who knows he may not even like football.At this level you have to love the game and do not think Jamarcus loves the game.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:54 am
talk about white noise. post 246. I’ll make it short and sweet. Every year I get all excited for the draft just to have Al draft a trackstar 3 rounds too early. I don’t want to give up Nnamdi for McNabb, but I would give up our 2nd. We can pretend that it will be a player at a position of need with the talent to help turn our team around, or we can be realistic and admit that it will probably be the next John Bowie.
pull the trigger, the eagles would be happy to get our 39 straight up for mcnabb. we don’t need to give anymore, hell, we could probably get a 5th or something out of it as well
March 27th, 2010 at 8:15 am
Cut Russell, draft a DT, OT, MLB, QB & trade Morrison for McNabb.
March 27th, 2010 at 8:16 am
Or trade Howard and move Morrison to WLB.
March 27th, 2010 at 8:18 am
But deifinitely rip the rug right from under bubba’s feet.
March 27th, 2010 at 8:48 am
aw heck fellas, ladies, the offseason is for lounging at the beach and watching T & A. the offseason is for sittin’ on the porch with a mess of ribs and potatoes, sippin’ some shine and enjoyin’ a sinsemilla cigar.
but if I look at some film and act like I care I can turn that 3 million guarantee into 9.45 million. hmmm…guess I’ll give it a try, after all I won’t be seeing that kind of cash again…
from : The Thoughts of King Elexis I
March 27th, 2010 at 9:02 am
It looks like the eagles will ot give up Samuels along with McNabb. Then there should be no trade, why cripple our defense further by getting rid of our best player period? That is just suicide.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:12 am
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March 27th, 2010 at 9:12 am
The play I remember from last year in Denver, when linebacker Elvis came through the line right at JaMarcus, is that instead of stiff-arming him, Russell laid down like a little girl. I was disgusted, and still have no faith in him. Davis’ folly will be his legacy if he doesn’t act NOW. Get McNabb, and lineman.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:43 am
# priesttj Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Raideman99, pisses that he might be doing things right doesn’t it. You can’t wait until he fails and gets cut. Right? hate him don’t ya’?
Tooo bad sucka he’s still here and will be a much better playr than any of you will be able to stand.
Keep hating! it’s even getting fun to watching your frustration.
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Oh, the classic race card.
Would it make you happy if we all said we want to burn a cross on his front lawn?
The ultimate victim of your mania is you.
You can’t succeed when all you ever do is find reasons to cast blame on others to compensate for your lack of character.
Have some pride.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Sweep the leg…have you ever heard TJ talk?
He calls the raider show after every game.
If you wonder why he’s so sensitive about discussions regarding ignorance going along with someone who sounds like they didn’t get past 2nd grade, you would understand.
Even the radio hosts can’t prevent themselves from laughing at TJ, with his backasswards illiterate ebonics challenged babble. The man is truly a cotton ball.
As he tries to desperately state how everyone things JR is illiterate because of his race, he is, in fact, trying to justify to himself that he’s not actually stupid, it’s just everyone things that because he’s black.
He’s rather sad, but honestly, funny as hell to listen to.
And hearing the laughter in the background of the two radio talk show hosts? along with both hosts saying “yeah….oooookkkkkkkk priest……suuuuuure priest….whatevaaaaaa you say” before they cut him off is priceless.
March 27th, 2010 at 10:28 am
QBs win Championships.
Oakland needs to do whatever they can to land a quality QB for this organization.
Trade, draft, whatever they need to do. They understood this 3 years ago when they took Russell #1 overall. They just missed and picked a bust.
The principle is still the same. The Raiders need a Quality QB.
March 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am
[...] maintained that they are unaware of the Raiders even contacting the Eagles about McNabb. Source: Oakland Tribune Attached Thumbnails [...]
March 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Kell
Obama has racked up debt
He has not controlled the Taliban
Iraq war is not down sized. I have friends there still.
The Recession hasn’t ended. If anything people are still losing jobs. I guess you’re not working a real job to see the economy. No body has money my friend.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:15 am
I think Russell is stupid, but not because of race. Its because he made the choice to be illiterate and he made the choice to be a bum.
No one is predisposed to be that way. You make choices, life is all about choices.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:29 am
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March 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Goodell and Big Ben must have the same COVER UP connections that the Vatican and Catholic Church have!
Seems obvious to me anyway! LOL
March 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am
RaiderResurrection Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Kell
Obama has racked up debt
He has not controlled the Taliban
Iraq war is not down sized. I have friends there still.
The Recession hasn’t ended. If anything people are still losing jobs. I guess you’re not working a real job to see the economy. No body has money my friend.
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If “nobody” has money…..then why the hell are people OVER bidding still for bank owned foreclosed properties or in some cases paying 50% down or all cash offers for homes that need to be gutted??
March 27th, 2010 at 11:49 am
SteveAlford21 Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230 on the “Report: Raiders inquire about trading for Eagles QB McNabb” thread.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist punk.
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a must read.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:49 am
RaiderResurrection,
I don’t think Russell is stupid. I think he is more lazy than stupid. Which is worse.
If someone is stupid, they just have to work longer and harder to pick things up. But with lazy, they never put in the work, and don’t pick it up.
They also frustrate those people who try to help them, and it causes a ripple effect.
I would always prefer to teach someone who is moderately stupid, as opposed to someone who is lazy, like JaMarcus.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am
DKnight007 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am
RaiderResurrection Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Kell
Obama has racked up debt
He has not controlled the Taliban
Iraq war is not down sized. I have friends there still.
The Recession hasn’t ended. If anything people are still losing jobs. I guess you’re not working a real job to see the economy. No body has money my friend.
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If “nobody” has money…..then why the hell are people OVER bidding still for bank owned foreclosed properties or in some cases paying 50% down or all cash offers for homes that need to be gutted??
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During economic downturns, it is often the case that the very rich increase their share of the total wealth, while the rest of us decrease our share.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:58 am
I’m starting to like OT Anthony Davis more than T Williams. Davis plays with a nasty mean streak and is stronger than Williams.
Davis can also play LT and RT and his style, skill set and size remind me of Michael Ohers’ playing style and physically as well.
March 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
NorthernD Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am
DKnight007 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am
RaiderResurrection Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Kell
Obama has racked up debt
He has not controlled the Taliban
Iraq war is not down sized. I have friends there still.
The Recession hasn’t ended. If anything people are still losing jobs. I guess you’re not working a real job to see the economy. No body has money my friend.
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If “nobody” has money…..then why the hell are people OVER bidding still for bank owned foreclosed properties or in some cases paying 50% down or all cash offers for homes that need to be gutted??
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During economic downturns, it is often the case that the very rich increase their share of the total wealth, while the rest of us decrease our share.
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The “rich” are trying to saturate the buying market too soon on crap properties and it will come around to bite them in the rear….watch.
They are counting on renters to pay their mortages but the renters are the ones losing jobs.
If the job market doesn’t increase significantly in the next two years…..the rich who are trying to buy everything in sight are going to take a hit.
For those in here who really think this country is turning into a “socialist” country…..tell me why the rich and greedy are still overpaying for crap homes?
Capitalism will run amok once again….
March 27th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
“Irish” Roger Goodell and Big Ben must have the same COVER UP connections that the Vatican and Catholic Church have! LOL!
Seems obvious to me anyway! LOL
March 27th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Trade Nnamdi and the 2nd Rounder for McNabb and the Eagles 1st Rounder!
Then the old loony man Al needs to TRADE DOWN from that #8 pick and stop being stupid, stubborn, lame and retarded and get more DAMN picks!
March 27th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
These are not typos…and they’re not spelling errors.
These are the actual words, used exactly the way this HOF hypocrite meant to use them…meant to use them to try to embarrass someone else. The results are hilarious:
Richochet Says:
Wow…guy definitely has a pension for abusing his sidearm.
Richochet says:
Sweep the leg…have you ever heard TJ talk?
As he tries to desperately state how everyone things JR is illiterate because of his race, he is, in fact, trying to justify to himself that he’s not actually stupid, it’s just everyone things that because he’s black.
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As I try not to spew my cerveza on my monitor in laughter, let me ask the ultra-intelligent and super-literate RickyLake a few questions:
Ricky — Why would a guy need a PENSION for his sidearm? Would that be because he has a PENCHANT to abuse it? Hahahahahaha.
Also…I don’t THING I quite get your point about BHP being illiterate. Don’t you THINK that you should THINK before you try to critique another person’s literary skills (or lack thereof)? Oh yeah…you did THINK, but some THING must’ve clouded your THINKing cells.
You keep trying to make a big THING out of little THINGs in here…but I THINK everybody’s got you figured out, RickyLake.
Actually, I KNOW they do (or, so you can unnerstand it: i no dey do).
RickyLake, ladies and gents…earning his lifetime achievement award in hypocrisy!
Oh. And more hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
March 27th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
Trade Nnamdi for McNabb, straight up? No way, no how.
Nnamdi and a 5th for McNabb and Samuel? All over that trade.
A 3rd and a 5th for McNabb? All over it.
A 2nd and a 7th for McNabb? All over it.
Nnamdi and Bush for McNabb and Samuel? Go for it…although I still think Bush has got it, we still NEED another RB.
The Eagles and Reid have painted themselves into a corner of sorts…the fans in Philly are eager for change, and they may just get it. Rumors are facts, and facts are rumors.
The Raiders do not have to give up the franchise to get McNabb. This is classic NFL-style poker…played the way only Al Davis knows how to play it.
March 27th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
What about drafting Pouncey with the #8 pick…..he would start at Center or RG right away and add much needed POWER to those positions!
Now that would be a reach that would make sense!
March 27th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Gallery’s back means he might not be back…at least not on a consistent basis.
Center has been need ever since Robbins went loopy. With our first 5 picks, I believe OL needs to be 2 of them…and a guy or guys who play Center is a must.
Mario’s probably going to be fine, as long as he’s got a quality G like Gallery next him. They can form a nice duo, if Robert stays in the game.
OL needs to be addressed with aggressive measures…but no “reaches” here. We need to take fundamentally strong players, who don’t need coaching-up just to get the basics.
And — unlike at WR — the OL is a plug-and-go position…the right player here (or at RB) should be able to start right now, with a relatively shorter learning curve and fairly high expectations.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
priesttj Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Man, what most of you just don’t understand in here is that Jerry doesn’t give a flyin flip what Russell really looks like in March. What he does care about is that YOU care what Russell looks like. And the YOU keep coming in here and commenting on it. So he can keep a job………….period.
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ummmm…article is by Steve Cockran.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Bulaga or Pouncey are good picks by me.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
These are not typos…and they’re not spelling errors.
These are the actual words, used exactly the way this HOF hypocrite meant to use them…meant to use them to try to embarrass someone else. The results are hilarious:
Richochet Says:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thank you HayesDaze37 for keeping this asswhore on the run. The only thing that Richochet should be saying is “I am a dead beat dad. But Don’t hold it against me.”
March 27th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Pouncey will still be on the board in the late first. Picking 8, then using the 2nd rounder and more to trade back into the first may be a better option.
That’s what they should have done last year when Al wanted DHB so bad.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Could pick up an extra pick (to replace a pick lost to Philly in trade?) by trading down a few…and still get the “right” O-lineman for this team.
Teams (including the Raiders) are drooling for a number of players that will still be there @ #8. Time to leverage that.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
This is a very good time to address the lines in all three opening rounds. LT, OL, DL, would go a long way to getting this team back on track. Anthony Davis LT, Pouncey or Mike Johnson OL, Lamarr Houston DL, would help this team immensely.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Plain and simply….racism does exist in this country just in case some of you forgot.
Those who love to use the overused quote “playing the race card” are either blind, naive, or racists yourselves who actually think there is no racism.
The way the whole BS going on right now with Big Ben getting media pass and a pass from Goodell after being accused of sexual assault TWO YEARS in a row….is proof there is a problem.
I would have loved to have seen the media storm if it would have McNabb or Sanchez being accused of sexual assault two years in row!
March 27th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Here’s the draft
1st Rd: NT – Dan Williams
2nd Rd: McNabb
3rd RD: RT
4th RD: C or RG
5th RD: RG or C
5th RD: MLB
6th RD: FB
7th RD: MLB
Free Agency: More OL
March 27th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 11:58 am
I’m starting to like OT Anthony Davis more than T Williams. Davis plays with a nasty mean streak and is stronger than Williams.
Davis can also play LT and RT and his style, skill set and size remind me of Michael Ohers’ playing style and physically as well.
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The biggest question Davis is motivation. He has a history of taking plays off, and there’s questions about whether he will do the work required at the pro level.
Players who need motivation usually don’t do well on the Raiders ( see JaMarcus).
I think a self-motivated player, or at least one that doesn’t bring theose concerns would be a better option.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Could pick up an extra pick (to replace a pick lost to Philly in trade?) by trading down a few…and still get the “right” O-lineman for this team.
Teams (including the Raiders) are drooling for a number of players that will still be there @ #8. Time to leverage that.
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I can’t remember the last time Al traded down in the first round. Can you?
He always seems to overvalue players, and not the other way around.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
People consider DHB a reach…but he was still rated by the “experts” in the top handful of all WR’s available in his Draft, rough edges and all. Knowing his abilities and flaws…picking a player like that isn’t a reach, but it is a gamble that he’ll pay off. Hey, the Draft’s a gamble.
I would like to trade down, and target LB and OL with the first 2 picks…either order, based on the specific player/s we covet.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Here’s the draft
1st Rd: NT – Dan Williams
2nd Rd: McNabb
3rd RD: RT
4th RD: C or RG
5th RD: RG or C
5th RD: MLB
6th RD: FB
7th RD: MLB
Free Agency: More OL
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I think Kyle Calloway would be a great pick in Round 3 as a RT or RG.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
People consider DHB a reach…but he was still rated by the “experts” in the top handful of all WR’s available in his Draft, rough edges and all. Knowing his abilities and flaws…picking a player like that isn’t a reach, but it is a gamble that he’ll pay off. Hey, the Draft’s a gamble.
I would like to trade down, and target LB and OL with the first 2 picks…either order, based on the specific player/s we covet.
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Please don’t start.
Paying a REACH like DHB top 7 money makes NO FREAKIN SENSE WHATSOEVER and thats the way it is.
You may someone that type of money who is going to be PRODUCTIVE right off the bat!
March 27th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
DHB was in the top 4-6 WR’s on most boards, but overall, he was a mid to late first round choice.
They still could have acquired him by moving back into the first round, just like GB did to get Clay Matthews Jr.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Taking Trent Williams at 8 would be a good start.
If someone like Pouncey or LB’s Weatherspoon or Mclain were on the board in the 20’s they could package their 2nd with some other picks and get one of them.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Trade down? It could happen. If we can predict anything from the great Al Davis, it is his unpredictability.
If Al doesn’t trade down this year…I predict he’ll do the unthinkable…and pick somebody at #8 who the majority in here will actually approve of on Draft day. He’s on the right track so far this off-season, and I believe he keeps it up.
March 27th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
If he takes an O-lineman, I think most people in here will be happy. Even if he reaches for Bruce Campbell, at least it will fill a need.
And even if Campbell busts at LT, he can still slide inside like Gallery.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
How much guaranteed 1$t-round money do you think the team should spend? Trading out of #8 would allow us to get more than one player in the 20’s-30’s, not having to pay top-10 guarantee$.
DK — I won’t argue the semantics of what constitutes a “reach” — I’ll just reiterate that players are rated and targeted individually by teams…and if the Raiders targeted DHB, and they weren’t able to trade out of their spot (Sanchez to NYJ assured that), DHB was the pick to make. I know you, and a ton of others, think it was a bad pick…while I say the kid’s gonna pan-out, and be a long-term high level contributor. Let’s just agree to disagree on DHB, and let this season give us a better indication of his progress.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Trade down? It could happen. If we can predict anything from the great Al Davis, it is his unpredictability.
If Al doesn’t trade down this year…I predict he’ll do the unthinkable…and pick somebody at #8 who the majority in here will actually approve of on Draft day. He’s on the right track so far this off-season, and I believe he keeps it up.
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On the right track?
Damn, lol…are you this ignorant?
Al was de-railed before the trip even started…he’s DONE NOTHING..
Your sorryass is not going to say ‘well, we got rid of players, so that’s doing something”.
That’s not improving your team, dumbass. IF a player didn’t deserve to start, his backup should have started.
You’re such a dweeb…
Hazed and Dazed: “Great Job Al. I love what you’re doing with this team. Keep it up Al. Love the poster over my bed Al. You’re my hero, Al. It’s a great day to be a dweeb, Al”
March 27th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
How much guaranteed 1$t-round money do you think the team should spend? Trading out of #8 would allow us to get more than one player in the 20’s-30’s, not having to pay top-10 guarantee$.
DK — I won’t argue the semantics of what constitutes a “reach” — I’ll just reiterate that players are rated and targeted individually by teams…and if the Raiders targeted DHB, and they weren’t able to trade out of their spot (Sanchez to NYJ assured that), DHB was the pick to make. I know you, and a ton of others, think it was a bad pick…while I say the kid’s gonna pan-out, and be a long-term high level contributor. Let’s just agree to disagree on DHB, and let this season give us a better indication of his progress.
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“Let’s just agree to disagree on Bey”???
LMFAO…no, let’s just agree that your ignorant ass was wrong.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Hayez,
DHB was a dreadful reach. There is no going around that. His flaws were clearly articulated prior to the draft by anyone who cared to listen. Not a lot of college production (read experience) and shaky hands.
He was picked by Oakland because of his 40x. Period.
Where does he go if Davis wisely skips him…I think late 1st round or into the 2nd round.
We are STUCK with him for now and we have to hope he can improve on 9 catches in 11 starts
March 27th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
People consider DHB a reach…but he was still rated by the “experts” in the top handful of all WR’s available in his Draft, rough edges and all. Knowing his abilities and flaws…picking a player like that isn’t a reach, but it is a gamble that he’ll pay off. Hey, the Draft’s a gamble.
I would like to trade down, and target LB and OL with the first 2 picks…either order, based on the specific player/s we covet.
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Please don’t start.
Paying a REACH like DHB top 7 money makes NO FREAKIN SENSE WHATSOEVER and thats the way it is.
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Darrius Heyward Bey was the biggest fastest receiver in the 2009 draft. In fact he is the biggest fastest reciever in the 2010 draft. Prospects like him don’t come along that often. While he is a very raw prospect to write him off after only one pro season is kind of nutty.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Ahhh, RickyLake — You do have a PENSION for showing up and embarrassing yourself, don’t you? Hahahaha. A PENSION. And you call out people for being illiterate.
Take your illiterate and offensive remarks and chase that smelly tail of yours, Ricky girl. Round and round you go, sniffing all the way. Pretty soon, another troll will join you and help in the chase.
I THING that will be funny! Don’t you THING it will be funny?
Embarrassed and humiliated, RickyLake flails away with name-calling and insults. The lack of mental ability and patience to carry on the simplest of “conversations” reveals more and more character flaws all the time.
Chasing that smelly tail does that.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
You know, last I recall, I challenged your ignorant ass regarding a few raider issues, Dazed and Stupid…where you quickly tucked tail like a little btch, and took off.
Ready to back up your words, or are you still in cowardly, shallow end of pool, mode?
Oh…here…while you ponder whether or not you’re up to borrowing someone’s balls, laugh along at the following:
# HayesDaze37 Says:
March 14th, 2010 at 11:14 am
So far in 2010, Al Davis the GM has done a fine job.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
# Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
LMFAO…no, let’s just agree that your ignorant ass was wrong.
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hey Dead Beat Dad, it’s Saturday and you claim to have kids, yet ONCE AGAIN, you are here trolling. You are a dead beat dad aren’t you?
March 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
People consider DHB a reach…but he was still rated by the “experts” in the top handful of all WR’s available in his Draft, rough edges and all. Knowing his abilities and flaws…picking a player like that isn’t a reach, but it is a gamble that he’ll pay off. Hey, the Draft’s a gamble.
I would like to trade down, and target LB and OL with the first 2 picks…either order, based on the specific player/s we covet.
^^^^^^^^^
Please don’t start.
Paying a REACH like DHB top 7 money makes NO FREAKIN SENSE WHATSOEVER and thats the way it is.
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Darrius Heyward Bey was the biggest fastest receiver in the 2009 draft. In fact he is the biggest fastest reciever in the 2010 draft. Prospects like him don’t come along that often. While he is a very raw prospect to write him off after only one pro season is kind of nutty.
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Dumbass…Bey had won NOTHING in college, OakDork..as in zero.
Was laughed at when he was picked, and is still laughed at..just like you and your dozens of handles, right rock star? lol…
March 27th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
You know, last I recall, I challenged your ignorant ass regarding a few raider issues, Dazed and Stupid…where you quickly tucked tail like a little btch, and took off.
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No actually Dead Beat, I posted nine players yesterday from the Whiner Roster that you turned tail and ran. What happened? People from the County come looking to you for child support and you took off out the back Dead Beat Dad?
March 27th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
I was watching NFL network they said ol anb qb were kind of thin.I think we should go ol while the gettings good.Suh wont be there so go ol.They said theres alot of good players on defense all the way up in the 3rd that have 1st or second round talent.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Want to see how ignorant your sorryass is, OakDork?
· Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
No, wack-o we HAVE PROVEN you to be a lying, hyporcrite who can’t get a date. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. Anything else wack job? Got something lined up for tonight? It is Friday night after all.
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And then, LIKE THE DUMBASS YOU ARE, you then sign on..ON FRIDAY NIGHT, JUST TO POST TO ME, WHILE I’M NOT EVEN HERE, LOL…you sorryass puppy…dude…YOU STUPIDLY COMMENT ABOUT ME NOT GOING OUT, and yet, while I’m actually out? YOU’RE ON HERE, POSTING TO ME????
you’re one sad piece of crap…aren’t ya? lol…you dumbass.
Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
March 27th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
One of the nation’s most explosive receivers during his three-year career … has good size and blazing speed … earned freshman All-America honors in 2006 and honorable mention All-America accolades in 2007 … a two-time All-ACC performer … two-time member (2007-08) of the Biletnikoff Award watch list … ranks second in school history in career receiving yards (2,089), third in receptions (138), tied for third in TD catches (13) and tied for sixth in 100-yard receiving games (4) … also 17th in Maryland history in career all-purpose yards (2,403) despite never returning a punt or kickoff … caught at least one pass in 34 of his last 37 career contests … posted 228 receiving yards in his three bowl-game appearances … one of the fastest players in the ACC … his 40 time of 4.23 in 2006 set the school record among WRs … surrendered his final year of eligibility to enter the 2009 NFL Draft .
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# Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Dumbass…Bey had won NOTHING in college, OakDork..as in zero.
Was laughed at when he was picked, and is still laughed at..just like you and your dozens of handles, right rock star? lol…
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2 time All ACC. We have already gone over this Dead Beat Dad more than once. So, somehow Dead Beat, you know more than Frank Beamer, Bobby Bowden, Al Groh, Butch Davis, etc., you Dead Beat, seem to think you know MORE than those guys. Dead Beat Dad, tap out. You’re getting killed as usual!
March 27th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
You know, last I recall, I challenged your ignorant ass regarding a few raider issues, Dazed and Stupid…where you quickly tucked tail like a little btch, and took off.
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No actually Dead Beat, I posted nine players yesterday from the Whiner Roster that you turned tail and ran. What happened? People from the County come looking to you for child support and you took off out the back Dead Beat Dad?
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See, lol..now you’re getting stupid.
I’m married, you moron.
I have kids, you moron.
they live with me, you moron.
Dude..I told you…that silly little 5th grade childish crap just makes you look pathetic.
Oh that’s right..it’s you.
Doesn’t EVERYONE state you’re one pathetic sorry little beyotch?
Seriously…EVERYONE?
March 27th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
You really want me to torch your ignorant ass..where you stated that ALL MCCLOUGHAN EVER SIGNED WAS WILLIS, AND THAT’S IT?
Really? lol…you sure, shyte for brains?
March 27th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
# Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Want to see how ignorant your sorryass is, OakDork?
· Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
No, wack-o we HAVE PROVEN you to be a lying, hyporcrite who can’t get a date. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. Anything else wack job? Got something lined up for tonight? It is Friday night after all.
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And then, LIKE THE DUMBASS YOU ARE, you then sign on..ON FRIDAY NIGHT, JUST TO POST TO ME, WHILE I’M NOT EVEN HERE, LOL…you sorryass puppy…dude…YOU STUPIDLY COMMENT ABOUT ME NOT GOING OUT, and yet, while I’m actually out? YOU’RE ON HERE, POSTING TO ME????
you’re one sad piece of crap…aren’t ya? lol…you dumbass.
Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Dead Beat Dad, I don’t even go out on a Friday or Saturday night til 10;30 or 11! And don’t come back for awhile normally. But keep trying Dead Beat! Maybe once you’ll get over! Or you can just do what you always do, which is take MY POST, change your name to mine, and then claim it as your own!
March 27th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
2 TIMES ALL ACC??
LMFAO…THAT’S IT????
You sorry little beyotch…
You’re so slow…
CRABTREE
2007 All-Big 12 Selected for first team [26]
2007 AFCA Coaches’ All-America Selected One of two wide receivers selected; first Freshman to earn the honor since Herschel Walker in 1980[27]
2007 AP All-America Selected for first team Garnered Unanimous All-America status by being selected for a fifth NCAA-recognized All-America team[28][29]
2007 AP Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year Selected [30][31]
2007 AT&T ESPN All-America Player of the Year Winner First freshman to win the award[32]
2007 Biletnikoff Award Winner First freshman and first Big 12 player ever chosen for the honor[33]
2007 CBSSports.com All-America Selected to first team [34]
2007 CBSSports.com Freshman of the Year Selected Unanimous first place selection[35]
2007 ESPN All-America Selected [36]
2007 FWAA All-America Selected for team [37]
2007 Maxwell Award Chosen as a semifinalist Only freshman chosen as semifinalist in 2007[38][39]
2007 Paul Warfield Award Winner [34]
2007 Rivals.com National Freshman of the Year Selected [40]
2007 SI.com All-America Selected for first team [41]
2007 Sporting News All-America Selected for first team Garnered Consensus All-America status by being selected for a third NCAA-recognized All-America team[42]
2007 Sporting News Big 12 All-Freshman Team Selected [43]
2007 Touchdown Club of Columbus Freshman of the Year Selected [34]
2007 Walter Camp All-America Selected for first team [44]
2008 Playboy All-America Selected [45]
2008 Preseason All-Big 12 Selected for first team Only unanimous selection[46][47]
2008 All-Big 12 Selected for first team Only offensive unanimous selection[48]
2008 AFCA Coaches’ All-America Selected One of three returnees from last year’s list[49]
2008 Biletnikoff Award Winner First ever two-time winner[50]
2008 Walter Camp All-America Selected for first team [51]
2008 FWAA All-America Selected for team Garnered Consensus All-America status by being selected for a third NCAA-recognized All-America team[52]
2008 SI.com All-America Selected for first team [53]
2008 AP All-America Selected for first team [54]
2008 Sporting News All-America Selected for first team Garnered Unanimous All-America status by being selected for a fifth NCAA-recognized All-America team[55]
2008 Paul Warfield Award Winner [56]
March 27th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
# Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
See, lol..now you’re getting stupid.
I’m married, you moron.
I have kids, you moron.
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That’s right. You sit here on the internet all day everyday, even tho you are married with kids. By definition that is a Dead Beat Dad! Glad you keep admitting it Dead Beat!
March 27th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
oh geez…lol…now your ignorant ass just stepped in it AGAIN..because now I get to post where YOU ARE HERE AT MIDNIGHT, YOU STUPID CLOWN.
You should shut up, mental midget, lol…you just make it easy for me.
Hey..how’s the rock band??
Oh..yeah..LIAR’s never back up their words..do they?
March 27th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Unless a rookie WR is unproductive AND disruptive, he shouldn’t (can’t) be written off as a failure…especially if you know where his weaknesses are, and you’re willing to take the chance it’ll work out. Al took that chance with DHB, and if it’s a failed pick a year or two from now, I’ll unfortunately admit it.
The only thing a failed pick by the Raiders hurts is their improvement at a “position of need” at the time…I don’t take a player’s “failure” personally — it’s not the end of the world, and shouldn’t cause any of us THAT much pain. Plus, I’m optimistic for the next guy to step up and do the job.
DK, just in the spirit of the debate…I’ll bet you a year’s supply of Richochet’s Rogaine that DHB is a successful target as a WR (in this case, let’s say 50+ catches) by the end of his 3rd season. If you can’t use the Ricky’s Rogaine, we can make it a sixer of our fave beer (I’ll let you know where to send it after I — and the Raiders — win the bet).
March 27th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
# Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
See, lol..now you’re getting stupid.
I’m married, you moron.
I have kids, you moron.
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It’s SATURDAY AFTERNOON DEAD BEAT! Wouldn’t most if not ALL decent Dads being spending it with their kids? Or their wife, Since you claimed just a day ago, that with kids you don’t get out much? Why would you be on the internet trolling when you claim to have a wife and kids? You a Dead Beat Dad there Dead Beat?
March 27th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Dead Beat Dad, NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND, would rather come here and get COMPLETELY FLAMED, then go play with their kids on a beautiful Saturday. UNLESS THEY ARE A DEAD BEAT DAD! BY DEFINITION. hahahahahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!
March 27th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
2 TIMES ALL ACC??
LMFAO…THAT’S IT????
You sorry little beyotch…
You’re so slow…
CRABTREE
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Dead Beat, we know you are a Whiner Fan! You claimed DHB won nothing. I proved you wrong as I always do! Now you shift to Crabtree. We’re not talking about Craptree.
Now, let’s talk about you being a Dead Beat Dad!
March 27th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Did Dead Beat Dad leave again? County Child support collectors must have shown up again!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
March 27th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Actually, my little pissant…time to school your ignorant ass on the following
For fun
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Plunketthead Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
McGloughan was supposed to be one of the better GM’s, was he not?
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He’s been there for years. What has he done? Other than Patrick Willis, they have a ton of lst round busts or underperformers.
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Let me say it again, DUMBASS…Gore was a solid pick…DUMBASS….VERNON DAVIS was a solid pick DUMBASS..Staley was a steal…DUMBASS..Crabtree has everyone shaking their heads, saying “good pick”..DUMBASS…
WIllis?? ONLY WILLIS?
You’re too freaking stupid to be online, unemployed cross posting lying crock of crap.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
And proof you’re a full scale moron:
Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
They are looking to replace Joe Staley.
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Why do this to yourself, moron?
Staley is the 49ers best lineman..he’s rated as one of the steals of the draft…YOU FREAKING DUMBASS..
LOL..you need to stop making this so easy for me.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
BTW..I was out last night.
Where were YOU, Oakglen?
HERE, AFTER 10:00…JUST TO POST TO ME.
Read that again, you sorry little boy…you came on here, on a Friday night…JUST TO POST TO ME.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
What was it you said?
Oh yeah…you don’t go out until 11 or 12??
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT’S JUST WHEN DATES HAVE YOU PICK THEM UP, RIGHT?
ROFLMFAO..thanks for proving you DON’T have a date, skankboy.
Congrats on stating “oh, but I do go down to the corner on International and kick it with the other wino’s..cuz it’s what we do at midnight”
March 27th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Figures your sorryass ran and hid, OakDork..just like always.
good news?
I’ll paste them all again..just for you…little boy…so you can run and hide again, lol…you pansy.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Unless a rookie WR is unproductive AND disruptive, he shouldn’t (can’t) be written off as a failure…especially if you know where his weaknesses are, and you’re willing to take the chance it’ll work out. Al took that chance with DHB, and if it’s a failed pick a year or two from now, I’ll unfortunately admit it.
The only thing a failed pick by the Raiders hurts is their improvement at a “position of need” at the time…I don’t take a player’s “failure” personally — it’s not the end of the world, and shouldn’t cause any of us THAT much pain. Plus, I’m optimistic for the next guy to step up and do the job.
DK, just in the spirit of the debate…I’ll bet you a year’s supply of Richochet’s Rogaine that DHB is a successful target as a WR (in this case, let’s say 50+ catches) by the end of his 3rd season. If you can’t use the Ricky’s Rogaine, we can make it a sixer of our fave beer (I’ll let you know where to send it after I — and the Raiders — win the bet).
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End of his 3RD YEAR??
Ahhh…the “I have two more years before I have to admit my head is so far up my ass, I can’t find it” reply.
Two years? And the end of TWO MORE YEARS??
You’re toast, moron.
No wonder you ran when I tossed out the challenge about the Raiders, moving back..what happened…etc.
You aren’t as stupid as you look…because you knew your ass was toast.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
It says on the mock draft we are taking cambell.They say hes a project though.There are better more ready ot in the draft than that guy.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Back to the original argument before it deteriorated into what ver tha was…
CRABTREE was shorter and slower than expected. He had questions about his route tree and prima donna attitude that saw him fall out of favor with alot of NFL teams and resulted in a hold out that would’ve been a complete PR disaster for Oakland especially after Russell’s.
BEY is a height, weight, speed specimen who’s college career was marred by a poor offense with a bad QB and constant double coverage.
Its arguable as to which wide has more growth potential but Al Davis is one of the few (read “the last”) owner willing to let players become good players rather than expecting instant production. Given time (maybe by season 3) Bey could become an All Pro wide out.
IF he can develop the fundamentals (under SanJay Lal?!) his S/H/S advantage COULD make him a very good WR.
Big gamble, but considering Crabs a hole attitude and the fact he’s not likely to get much taller or faster Bey was the pick.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
A hole attitude?
Nnamdi…shut up.
NO ONE that he ever played with stated that…no coach EVER stated that…Singletary and the Niners state he’s a total class act.
Al blew it, moron..plain and simple.
Let me guess? Mangini said he didn’t kiss his ass?
that it?
Like I said…Al blew it..quit playing the fool.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Well said Nnamdi21
March 27th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Reek O sh-ite U are a delusional psychopath. Please to fuh-k arf.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
JUST TO LAUGH AT YOUR SORRY ASS, ONE MORE TIME, OAKGLEN..
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
One of the nation’s most explosive receivers during his three-year career … has good size and blazing speed … earned freshman All-America honors in 2006 and honorable mention All-America accolades in 2007 … a two-time All-ACC performer … two-time member (2007-08) of the Biletnikoff Award watch list … ranks second in school history in career receiving yards (2,089), third in receptions (138), tied for third in TD catches (13) and tied for sixth in 100-yard receiving games (4) … also 17th in Maryland history in career all-purpose yards (2,403) despite never returning a punt or kickoff … caught at least one pass in 34 of his last 37 career contests … posted 228 receiving yards in his three bowl-game appearances … one of the fastest players in the ACC … his 40 time of 4.23 in 2006 set the school record among WRs … surrendered his final year of eligibility to enter the 2009 NFL Draft .
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# Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Dumbass…Bey had won NOTHING in college, OakDork..as in zero.
Was laughed at when he was picked, and is still laughed at..just like you and your dozens of handles, right rock star? lol…
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2 time All ACC.
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BEY WASN’T TWO TIMES ALL ACC, CRAP FOR BRAINS.
Bey earned All Acc HONORABLE MENTION, you fool.
And yes…I’ll paste the above…again…just because I like to watch you squirm, OakDork.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Reek O sh-ite U are a delusional psychopath. Please to fuh-k arf.
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In other words, I just torched your defenseless ass, and you know it.
And so do I. Otherwise you wouldn’t have waved your white flag, my little slapped on puppy.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Crabtree was an cocky little prick and he didnt want to play in oakland anyway.He still wouldnt of made that big of difference anyway cause he set out over half the year crying about not getting enough money.
March 27th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Yeah, right HotShot…wouldn’t have made a difference, right?
In his first game, he beat Bey’s TOTALS FOR THE YEAR UP TO THAT POINT…AND THIS WAS WHAT? 7th game?
Yeah..no difference.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
http://www.realfootball365.com/articles/raiders/13875
In a forgettable Thursday live chat on NFL.com, former Texas Tech wideout and top draft prospect Michael Crabtree dropped a torturous, semi-smug hint as to how he felt about the possibility of the Oakland Raiders grabbing him with the seventh pick of the draft on Saturday.
“No comment.”
March 27th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Yeah no differnce are sorry ass Qb couldnt throw it to him any way and cable running the offense has alot to do with recievers not having production like they should.Every WR on the raiders could of done better if we had a good coach and play caller.They were running into each other cause tom is confused.He didnt have a clew on what he was doing.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Everyone predicted Raiders take Maclin or Crab..only someone in a severe hangover would predict Raiders take Bey.
Those that laughed then?
Are REALLY laughing now…including me.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Reek O sh-ite U are a delusional psychopath. Please to fuh-k arf.
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In other words, I just torched your defenseless ass, and you know it.
And so do I. Otherwise you wouldn’t have waved your white flag, my little slapped on puppy.
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“Torched” how? I defended my views analytically and with reason and logic and facts. You? you make up some delusional scenario where you wiped the floor with me and I’m and everyone else on earth is too stupid to see it?
White flag?!!
How did you even construe anything of the sort from what I said?
You need hlep nut ball.
The whole “peanut” “slapped puppy” BS you toss out sounds like sh-it a psycho would say to his captives you lunatic.
Please fuh-k arf with your lame azz lack of football knowledge and desire to TRY and rule over something, ANYTHING in your pathetic, ugly existance.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
If you like Crabtee so much go cheer for the gay 49ers than.We didnt get him so deal with that and move on already.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
# Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Let me say it again, DUMBASS…Gore was a solid pick…DUMBASS….VERNON DAVIS was a solid pick DUMBASS..Staley was a steal…DUMBASS..Crabtree has everyone shaking their heads, saying “good pick”..DUMBASS…
WIllis?? ONLY WILLIS?
You’re too freaking stupid to be online, unemployed cross posting lying crock of crap.
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AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Once again, AS USUAL, MORON BOY, shows he knows NOTHING.
Gore: two good years, and now the Whiners are looking to get someone else
Davis: One good year
Craptree: Played half a year?? What A MORON!
Staley: Started at RT, didn’t work out, moved to LT and is now looking to be replaced!
COULD YOU BE MORE STUPID DEAD BEAT DAD?
March 27th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
# Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Let me say it again, DUMBASS…Gore was a solid pick…DUMBASS….VERNON DAVIS was a solid pick DUMBASS..Staley was a steal…DUMBASS..Crabtree has everyone shaking their heads, saying “good pick”..DUMBASS…
WIllis?? ONLY WILLIS?
You’re too freaking stupid to be online, unemployed cross posting lying crock of crap.
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AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Once again, AS USUAL, MORON BOY, shows he knows NOTHING.
Gore: two good years, and now the Whiners are looking to get someone else
Davis: One good year
Craptree: Played half a year?? What A MORON!
Staley: Started at RT, didn’t work out, moved to LT and is now looking to be replaced!
COULD YOU BE MORE STUPID DEAD BEAT DAD?
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And BTW dummas Dead Beat Dad, how’s about the OTHER 70 DRAFT PICKS?
March 27th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
there’s no getting over 9 rec in 11 starts.
it was a mistake chasing dhb that high. he is not as good as crabtree, harvin, maclin, britt or johnny knox
terrible al davis 40x inspired pick.
we have to hope dhb can salvage something. at least he has a good attitude
March 27th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Everyone predicted Raiders take Maclin or Crab..only someone in a severe hangover would predict Raiders take Bey.
Those that laughed then?
Are REALLY laughing now…including me.
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Mike Mayock.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
At least we got Wimbley instead of Joey Porter, who was just thrown in the Bakersfield jail for assault on an officer, resisting arrest, and DUI. Wonder if he’s cut?LOL
March 27th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
# Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
BEY WASN’T TWO TIMES ALL ACC, CRAP FOR BRAINS.
Bey earned All Acc HONORABLE MENTION, you fool.
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Read that again everyone. Bey wasn’t two time All ACC. Bey earned All ACC. I never said he was lst team second team honorable mention. I said he was two time All ACC. You said he wasn’t two time All ACC, he was All ACC. You have to be the dumbest person on earth Dead Beat Dad.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
These are not typos…and they’re not spelling errors.
These are the actual words, used exactly the way this HOF hypocrite meant to use them…meant to use them to try to embarrass someone else. The results are hilarious:
Richochet Says:
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# Nnamdi21 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Reek O sh-ite U are a delusional psychopath. Please to fuh-k arf.
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# Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Did Dead Beat Dad leave again? County Child support collectors must have shown up again!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Dead Beat Wack-o is getting KILLED in here. Again. As usual!
March 27th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
The cops in Bako don’t eff around….
March 27th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Michael Crabtree is a possession receiver. We have Chaz as our possession guy and drafted Murphy at the same position. We wanted a speed burner. That is NOT Crabtree. Michael Crabtree will be a good player in the NFL, but his position is not interchangeable with DHB. That is like saying a blocking TE and a pass catching TE are the same. Only a COMPLETE UTTER MORON would not know the difference. Looking your way Dead Beat Dad.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
speed burners shouldnt be taken that high and dhb was not just drafted to run, he was drafted to be the #1 receiver.
murphy did a much better job of that and he is actually the better receiver. only way dhb gets by murphy is because dhb is forced into the lineup
March 27th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
# Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
BEY WASN’T TWO TIMES ALL ACC, CRAP FOR BRAINS.
Bey earned All Acc HONORABLE MENTION, you fool.
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Read that again everyone. Bey wasn’t two time All ACC. Bey earned All ACC. I never said he was lst team second team honorable mention. I said he was two time All ACC. You said he wasn’t two time All ACC, he was All ACC. You have to be the dumbest person on earth Dead Beat Dad.
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BTW Dead Beat Dad, there are DOZENS of Different All Conference Awards. Here is the scouting report on DHB from one outfit:
2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
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Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
It did not take long for Darrius Heyward-Bey to make his mark on the Maryland football program. After redshirting in 2005, Heyward-Bey led the team with 45 receptions, 694 yards and five receiving touchdowns. For his efforts, he earned a variety of All-ACC and All-America honors from various sources. As a sophomore Heyward-Bey cemented his status as one of the best receivers in the Atlantic Coast Conference, catching 51 passes for 786 yards and three touchdowns. Due to a lack of a quarterback to get him the ball, Heyward-Bey’s numbers will never be that impressive at the collegiate level, but he has all the skills to be an effective pass catcher in the NFL.
Notice the part where it says a ‘VARIETY of All ACC and All American honors. Asswipe!
March 27th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
speed burners shouldnt be taken that high and dhb was not just drafted to run, he was drafted to be the #1 receiver.
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There is an old expression in sports. You can’t teach size. Or speed. Or in this case, size and speed. The Maryland offense was not very good, and DHB came out after his Junior Season. During his junior year teams just doubled and tripled him and Maryland had few other options. DHB was the biggest, fastest WR to come out in the last two+ drafts. He was EXACTLY what the Raiders were looking for. He played poorly last year, but then again, the whole offense did.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Where did the Dead Beat Dad wacky go? Run away to mistabrOwn’s arms again?
March 27th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Maybe he is playing with the kids
March 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Just sounds like a bunch of what ifs to take in the 1st round
Came out as a Junior so limited games
Limited production
Came from a bad offense
Had questinoable hands
To me that says 2nd or 3rd round…i dont’ think you use a top pick on a guy with so many question marks.
And true you can’t teach speed and all that….but its not necessarily an easy thing to teach catching or route running….need exceptional coaches to do that…Does Sanjay Lal = exceptional coaches
I think the pick was a huge risk and that’s why there was the criticism.
I hope the kid works out. But Louis Murphy had the look of a #1 receiver and is much further long and is a hard worker and has good speed.
March 27th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
and…
Wayward Bay can’t feakin’ catch !!!
no amount of lotion, cream, or piss is gonna make them granite hands any softer…
March 27th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
the only reason Wayward Bay was an honorable mention for the ACC was because EVERYONE was impressed that he made the team…
as a receiver !!!
i mean…
think about it…
can’t freaking catch…
but is a receivere !!!
i’m impressed…
March 27th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
You have to think he is gonna be able to get over the dropped passes?
March 27th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Raider E,
But is he better than Louis Murphy?
March 27th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
I think the pick was a huge risk and that’s why there was the criticism.
I hope the kid works out. But Louis Murphy had the look of a #1 receiver and is much further long and is a hard worker and has good speed.
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What’s funny is Murphy might be just as big and fast and could develop into that #1 receiver. That would be sweeet.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Where did the Dead Beat Dad wacky go? Run away to mistabrOwn’s arms again?
# Raider E Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Maybe he is playing with the kids
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Na, maybe he is playing with himself.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
What’s up boys….
SnB, Murhpy was a big play maker in Florida. In his first year, he also caught some big plays for us. Sure he had some drops but that is expected for a rookie. But you have to like this big play ability. Playmakers just find a way to make a play. Guys like him and Bush just make big plays when they get enough chances. DHB was a bad pick since he is not worth a first round grade IMO but Murphy was a STEAL. Murphy have already shown more big play ability than DHB or Crabtree.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Seymour,
Will Murphy continue to get the chance though. DHB’s draft status demands he starts, so where does that leave Murphy
March 27th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
I was inpressed with Louis Murphy despite his share of dropped balls. At this point I would say no SnB.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Would you be satisfied if you could swap draft positions between Murphy and Bey SnB?
March 27th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Aig,
Murphy can turn out to be a top 10 receiver when its said and done. He gets open and can run the routes and while there were drops…there were also great plays.
Murphy was as much a steal as DHB was costly.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Raider E Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Would you be satisfied if you could swap draft positions between Murphy and Bey SnB?
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Yes I would. And there is going to be a problem with that down the line.
The Raiders will be pressured to play DHB….and also, if Murphy keeps outperforming DHB, then sooner or later Murphy is going to demand more money.
So will 7th round pick Schilens if he can stay healthy.
So DHB probably has this year and maybe next to get it together
March 27th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
So focus on the positive and let the cup be half full.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
SnB,
Agreed. I try to convince myself that it was a first and fourth for both DHB and Murphy. Already Murphy made some big plays and that boy can sure play. If DHB turns out great, then it’s a bonus. At the end of the day, the key thing is did we at least get 1 good WR out of those 2. Murphy can jump and can catch. Now if he can hang on to the ball when he falls down then we are solid.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Seymour,
Will Murphy continue to get the chance though. DHB’s draft status demands he starts, so where does that leave Murphy
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They play different positions. The competition is between Chaz and Murphy and Murphy got a lot of playing time while Chaz was hurt. The question is can Murphy compete with DHB for the Z receiver position. I think he can, and so does Cable. One thing with Cable, he will pull guys.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Raider E,
The problem with the DHB pick is it cost us an opportunity to fill another hole on this team….when you consolidate these bad decisions…you see why the team is struggling at key positions.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Thats all he should have regardless, it will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
I hope Murphy is not competing with Schilens. I see Schilens as a possession type receiver…I don’t see Murphy that way.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
I think Bey will do fine just look at his attitude and work ethic.He wants to work to get better and he will.Some players take more time than others to adjust.murphy is better now cause he came from a better colledge team more nfl ready.Huff sucked at first but look how hes doing now.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
I hear what your saying and respect your opinion but had Al drafted the same players in reverse positions the money would be close to the same. The pressure on Bey and the organization would be the thing that changed.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
At very least, we all know is gonna dedicate himself to getting better.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Bey will dedicate himself is what i meant.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Bey came in to terrible tom as coach and play caller.He didnt even use bay right.Just like mcfadden and bush.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Murphy plays more of a possession reciever role like Chaz. Think about when he was at Florida. Percy Harvin was the down the field guy despite his size.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
DHB is hard working player. He joined his high school team to meet girls, put in the work and He’s developed more and more. If he had some guys around him at Maryland, particularly at Q, there would be no doubt he would have been a high lst round pick. I don’t know if he would have gone #8, but certainly top 20.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Raider E,
The problem with the DHB pick is it cost us an opportunity to fill another hole on this team….when you consolidate these bad decisions…you see why the team is struggling at key positions.
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You’re assuming too much. If not DHB, then who? And would that player have worked out?? It doesn’t seem like many of the players in the top 10 last year made too much of an impact. Too early to consider DHB a bust or Murphy a great player. In fact, I thought Murphy really struggled as a starter. We’ll see.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Hot Shot,
My only hesitation with DHB is that he doesnt look like a natural football player. He comes across as an athlete trying to play football. There are people who got talents that is going to work on them like Murphy but DHB just doesnt seem to have it.
If you watch how he tracks the ball, it is almost comical. When he jumps for the ball, his hands are wide open. He reminds me of Ricky Dudley.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Debo,
We should have taken Oher. I was hoping we’d do it and we screwed that up along with a bunch of other teams that passed up on him.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
If not DHB then who?
Anyone. One of the Offensive Tackles, the Linebackers, DLine.
One of the plethora of positions everyone is begging to fill this year.
DHB had too many risks prior to the draft for him to be taken that high. Way too many.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Some poeple handle pressure well but this kid had tons of it on his shoulders.He was targeted from day 1.He will be more nfl ready this year.I think hugh jackson will use him the right way.Throw short passes to him and let him run like harvin on min.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
There will be no lineman picked in the the first round, so forget about it….
March 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
If not DHB then who?
Anyone. One of the Offensive Tackles, the Linebackers, DLine.
One of the plethora of positions everyone is begging to fill this year.
DHB had too many risks prior to the draft for him to be taken that high. Way too many.
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I wanted Eugene Monroe the offensive tackle that Jacksonville took right behind us at nine. They are happy with Monroe. This draft there are some very nice OT’s available at #8. There aren’t any 6′2″, 210 lb, major conference guys that run 4.2 forties tho.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
We have to starting looking at these players critically. It is not like they are your kids playing on the little league team. Who cares how hard the kid works. He’s got to produce. His personality etc…that stuff only means something within the prizm of production. Something DHB was in appalling lack of.
JLH, a guy everyone here loves to dump on, played well the last 6 or so games of the year. Yet he has no chance but DHB has all the chance in the world? Because Al Davis reached on this guy whereas Murphy and JLH were drafted where they should be.
I hope the best players play, whether its receiver, QB, RB or elsewhere.
These draft picks in the top 10 are killing us
March 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
What does Dez Bryant run?
March 27th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
We have to starting looking at these players critically.
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Oh I think we look at these guys critically. I look at the offensive linemen extremely critically. Hence why I want a new LT with the 8th pick. I think our LB talent is waaay lacking and I have been critical of Asomaugh as well. In fact, I am critical of players that 95% of you aren’t.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
SnB,
unfortunately Al Davis protects his projects…see Stanford Routt.
Hopefully Cable and company can convince Al to let the best players play.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
What does Dez Bryant run?
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What do you mean? What speed does he run?
March 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Dez Bryant is projected 4.4 but he didnt run in the combine.
March 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Yeah, what’s Dez Bryant’s 40x
March 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Someone care to give an assessment of our NT position…or the DT opposite Tommy Kelly?
March 27th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Actually the last time anyone had on Dez Bryant was a 4.54 which is not that fast. Bryant has been banned from the NCAA for a year because of some stupid things. But he just showed up to Pacman Jones pro workout. Considering what has happened in his very short career, that was NOT smart.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
About 30 pro teams showed up to Arrellious Benns Illinois Pro day work out. Benn has similar size to DHB and clocked in at 4.40, which is nice. He is a very nice prospect.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
We definitely will pick up a rookie DT, which round, I don’t know. But AL will draft a DT he likes in this year draft. Reasons are clear, we don’t have any depth after cutting Warren, Joseph was signed for a minimum pending he makes it in opening day roster, Desmond Bryant is the only player projected to start. I think we will draft for one and sign another through FA. Question is, is keeping TK even worth it? Does Seymour like playing inside, does the coach think our bad run defense is due to DTs inabilities to hold their blockers or they see its the LBs fault? If they believe TK is good enough and solid contributor, then we picking a DT late, if they think TK needs competition, we going to draft one early.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Seymour
Where did you get that story that Dez Bryant run a 4.54? Can you guide me to it, I seen this cat run, he is faster then 4.54!!!
March 27th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Actually the last time anyone had on Dez Bryant was a 4.54 which is not that fast. Bryant has been banned from the NCAA for a year because of some stupid things. But he just showed up to Pacman Jones pro workout. Considering what has happened in his very short career, that was NOT smart.
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Bryant will be working out Tuesday at Lufkin, TX. Mike Mayock will be there so should be getting a report of his speed then.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Mayock said on Path to Draft this morning that he expects Dez Bryan to be in the 4.45 to 4.5’s range.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
go to Walterfootball. They have pretty good info on a lot of things. I think it is a betting site. If you can’t find it, let me know and I will see if I can get an exact web address. Walt has a pretty good breakdown on all the players at each position. I am sure he has the info I just posted.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
We definitely will pick up a rookie DT, which round, I don’t know.
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Could be Brian Price, or Lamarr Houston. Both those guys are VERY nice pro prospects.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Sorry should have said Price if he falls to the top of the 2nd, or Houston possibly in the third.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Dez Bryant is the next Tim Brown and Al is gonna spend the #8 on him….
March 27th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
JLH will be gone….
March 27th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
# Raider E Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
JLH will be gone….
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One could only hope that Chokie Lee will be gone….
March 27th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Someone care to give an assessment of our NT position…or the DT opposite Tommy Kelly?
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ASSESSMENT ???
you want an assessment ???
let’s all say it together…
32nd against the run…
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na na na na…
hey hey hey…
32nd against the run…
March 27th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
If we dont go ol early were gona suck plain and simple cause the ol are kind of thin this year.We dont need another project player.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
This years a defensive draft.You could get good defensive players in the second and third rounds.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
#402 is a pretty good assessment Florida Pete.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Al is not gonna take a lineman in round 1….
March 27th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
No love for Johnnie Lee Higgins or Mario Henderson I see.
JLH played pretty well down the stretch including a 4 catch + drawing a pass interference against the Steelers.
JLH had better stats than Darius Heyward-Bey and at least JLH can return kicks and is $20 million cheaper.
Mario Henderson played well until the end of the year. In his 1st full year as a starter….yet you all want to run him out of town.
Yet DHB can even average 1 catch a game and gets an unlimited free pass while Huff is given 4 years to be average.
March 27th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Give me linemen or give me death!
Williams Davis, Williams, Bulga, Okung, Suh, McCoy, Brown.
March 27th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
btw, that was supposed to say “proving” a lot of “experts” wrong.
March 27th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
SnB,
I didn’t say JLH is gone because thats what i would like to see happen. I would like to keep him and draft McClain at #8, but I just have a feeling Al is gonna take Dez and make JLH expendable….
March 27th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Seymour
Walter site says its his projected time 4.54 but notice how for example Golden Tate was projected 4.41 and he run 4.36. I know its not huge but running a 4.5 and running a 4.4 is big difference in terms of drafting a player. Nevertheless, couple of months ago I thought drafting Dez would be a good thing, but after couple of incidents and missing his pro day, I think AL should try drafting OT or DT.
March 27th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
When you rank 30 something in run defense…..and struggle to run the football and pass protect…the only focus of the draft should be the lines and nothing else.
Personally, I would draft nothing but lineman and QBs in the 1st round….then I would spend the rest of the draft on other positions
March 27th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Dez Bryant seems like trouble. Something about the guy. Shady.
Tuesdays gonna be big for him. If he runs a sub 4.4 AFTER putting on that extra 10-15 lbs or so he could go top 10. I think teams will balk at him though.
Maybe Jacksonville? Don’t know, just got a feelin he could slip.
March 27th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Raider E, reality isn’t allowed in here. Just give them your mock draft.
March 27th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Nick Miller is going to make JLH expendable!
March 27th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Jhill
What has nick miller done besides couple catches during preseason?
March 27th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
4eve,
Enough to make JLH expendable!
March 27th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Cmon 4eve,
They kept the kid on the roster for 16 weeks hoping he’d come back to rescue the return game.
He is AT LEAST the new return guy, and I bet you ANYTHING that he gets snaps at WR this year. He won’t take Chaz, Murphy, or DHBs snaps at WR. It will be JLH’s.
March 27th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
JLH was never any good as a receiver.Talk about dropped passes.
March 27th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
aig Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Debo,
We should have taken Oher. I was hoping we’d do it and we screwed that up along with a bunch of other teams that passed up on him.
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Yeah, in hindsight he turned out to be a damn good player. He was talked about as a potential top-5 guy early in the valuations, but dropped. So far he’s left Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe in the dust. But we really did need a receiver. And it didn’t help that Mario had such a strong finish to the season in 2008. It really is time to take an OT early, but I wouldn’t be upset with a wicked DE or Dez. We just seem to miss on lineman early. Glad Al would rather be right than consistent.
March 27th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
R1:D Williams
R2:B Spikes
R3: best O lineman
R4: J Ford
R5: J Skelton
R6: No pick
R7: Sister F#@$%er (Tony Washington)
R7: The guy with the best measurables left on the board. (For Al)
March 27th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Oher success has been as a RT and I haven’t heard about him being moved to LT.
Loadholt in Rd 2 would have been just as good. DOn’t really see the justification for taking a RT at 7 last year. And if that’s the case, we can take a RT this year and just move Barnes to RG.
March 27th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
We dont have sorry ass watkins anymore or did we sighn him again.
March 27th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
jhill Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Nick Miller is going to make JLH expendable!
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The guy that really intrigues me as a returner on our roster is Yamon Figurs, my fellow K-Stater. He’s fast as hell and was a KR demon at KSU and in Baltimore. I’ve wondered why it didn’t work out there. He could be a surprise for us.
March 27th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
jhill Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Oher success has been as a RT and I haven’t heard about him being moved to LT.
Loadholt in Rd 2 would have been just as good. DOn’t really see the justification for taking a RT at 7 last year. And if that’s the case, we can take a RT this year and just move Barnes to RG.
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The one that kills me is Sebastian Vollmer. We could have had him in the 2nd. Did you see him at LT for NE last year? That guy is a beast.
March 27th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Amazing the favorites around here. 1 year ago, JLH lead the team in touchdowns, was a menace as a punt returner and had several long run after catches. Finished the prior year as a solid starting receiver down the stretch.
So he struggles a little bit after getting lit up…and now we want to replace him. Despite once again finishing well down the stretch.
Mario Henderson in his 1 freekn year as a starter and he probably had as good a year as any top draft pick last year except Oher..
So, instead of working on getting these guys better, we replace them again….some want to also replace Bush as well.
Meanwhile, total inept players like DHB, 9 catches in 11 starts and ridiculous drops, is going to be a starter or at least #3…..Nick Miller, a UFA from Southern Utah is going to start….and Tommy Kelly gets to keep on going and we probably will get some mid-round or UFA to start at NT.
Good grief
March 27th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
SnB,
Talking about KR and RT. Last I checked, JLH is our PR and Mario is our LT. Are you sayin you’d rather have Gary Russell at KR than Figurs?? A guy like Vollmer wouldn’t have been better than Green? Even if he Green had started, he got hurt. Vollmer would have been better than Pears or Barnes. I’ll say this though. JLH’s “slump” is a serious concern. I mean guys take hits like he took all the time. That’s no excuse for his regression. He may need to be replaced. We’ll see.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Dez Bryant seems like trouble. Something about the guy. Shady.
Tuesdays gonna be big for him. If he runs a sub 4.4 AFTER putting on that extra 10-15 lbs or so he could go top 10. I think teams will balk at him though.
Maybe Jacksonville? Don’t know, just got a feelin he could slip.
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I think Dez Bryant is gonna be a baller in the NFL. Better than Crabtree IMO.
Nothing shady about Dez, big whoop he hung around Deion Sanders or some agent…..who cares…..he is not getting accused of sexual assault two years in a row like Big Ben huh?
March 27th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Raider E Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Dez Bryant is the next Tim Brown and Al is gonna spend the #8 on him….
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I would have no problem if they picked Dez Bryant him at #8……just as long as O-Line and D-Line are focused on the rest of the draft….along with getting a MIKE LB prospect.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
If JLH’s slump is a “serious” concern…what about DHB?
9 freekn catches…that’s totally unacceptable for any receiver that get 9 or 10 starts. I don’t care what’s happening at QB.
Louis Murphy did better….and guess what…JLH did too!
March 27th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Raiderdebo,
If we take an OT at #8…we are doing that to replace Mario Henderson. You don’t draft RTs that high.
As for the KR position….yes, by all means make the necessary changes…I think Figures was brought in for the kick return duty.
Still don’t understand why DHB can’t return kicks…cause he has demonstrated an ability to catch
March 27th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Dez Bryant is in the top 3 players in this draft without a doubt. He might be the best player at any position i the draft talent wise It’s his pofffiel problems that make him a liability he probably would go #1 overall if he were a chior boy type.
He is the best WR to come out since maybe Randy Moss. From a talent standpoint he has no weakness and can return Kicks or punts. If he had elite speed he would be Randy Moss. His speed is in the low 4.4’s but he is tougher than Moss ever was. Bigger than Rice and has much better hands than TO.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
If JLH’s slump is a “serious” concern…what about DHB?
9 freekn catches…that’s totally unacceptable for any receiver that get 9 or 10 starts. I don’t care what’s happening at QB.
Louis Murphy did better….and guess what…JLH did too!
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I’m more concerned about JLH as a returner. That was a big part of our game in 2008 that vanished last year. He’s either got to snap out of it or sit down.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
The return games and coverage units took a hit once we changed Special Teams Coaches.
I just say don’t give up on young players that have produced just because of some struggles in the next year.
I still like JLH and I still like Henderson. Too early to replace them…especially with holes in other positions like NT, RT, RG, MLB
March 27th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
There will be no Dez Bryant to the Raiders.
DHB is the main guy that has to step it up.
You can’t pay two receivers $20 million each.
DHB has to step up
March 27th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Is it safe to say that McNabb rumor fizzled away, like Al Davis’s brain cells?
March 27th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
If they were even ture to begin with. There are so many outlets for news most stories are born out of that alone. Not saying the Raiders didn’t inquire because that stuff happens all day long about most players of interest. So an inquiry almost means nothing but how far it went is anybodies guess.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Consider Butler instead of spikes at MLB:
Rank 3 Donald Butler,ILB, Washington 6-1, 245 40 time 4.62 Bench Reps 35
Rank 4 Brandon Spikes,ILB Florida 6-3, 249 40 time 5.05 Bench Reps 29
Butler’s stock has been going up while Spikes is going South Here’s some film on Butler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK1QUvTojFo
We should be able to pick him up wit a 3rd round pick. My picks are Dan Williams Dt at #8, Maurike Pouncey with the #2 pick. Butler at #3, Tony washington, OT at #4, Mitch Petrus, OG at #5A, John Conner, FB at #5B, and two fast RB, Denji Karim & Alfonso Smith (4.40 & 4.38 40’s respectively) at 7A & 7B for KR/PR. prospects. I would also toss in a 5th round pick and a contract for Troy Smith to address our QB quandry.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Butler or Chaney in the 3rd or 4th round as a MIKE LB prospect would be good!
March 27th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
JB Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Consider Butler instead of spikes at MLB:
Rank 3 Donald Butler,ILB, Washington 6-1, 245 40 time 4.62 Bench Reps 35
Rank 4 Brandon Spikes,ILB Florida 6-3, 249 40 time 5.05 Bench Reps 29
Butler’s stock has been going up while Spikes is going South Here’s some film on Butler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK1QUvTojFo
We should be able to pick him up wit a 3rd round pick. My picks are Dan Williams Dt at #8, Maurike Pouncey with the #2 pick. Butler at #3, Tony washington, OT at #4, Mitch Petrus, OG at #5A, John Conner, FB at #5B, and two fast RB, Denji Karim & Alfonso Smith (4.40 & 4.38 40’s respectively) at 7A & 7B for KR/PR. prospects. I would also toss in a 5th round pick and a contract for Troy Smith to address our QB quandry.
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Love everybody but Williams.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
JB Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Consider Butler instead of spikes at MLB:
Rank 3 Donald Butler,ILB, Washington 6-1, 245 40 time 4.62 Bench Reps 35
Rank 4 Brandon Spikes,ILB Florida 6-3, 249 40 time 5.05 Bench Reps 29
Butler’s stock has been going up while Spikes is going South Here’s some film on Butler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK1QUvTojFo
We should be able to pick him up wit a 3rd round pick. My picks are Dan Williams Dt at #8, Maurike Pouncey with the #2 pick. Butler at #3, Tony washington, OT at #4, Mitch Petrus, OG at #5A, John Conner, FB at #5B, and two fast RB, Denji Karim & Alfonso Smith (4.40 & 4.38 40’s respectively) at 7A & 7B for KR/PR. prospects. I would also toss in a 5th round pick and a contract for Troy Smith to address our QB quandry.
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Here’s an option to Williams. Trade up with Detroit. Swap our 1st plus 2012 1st and take Suh. How do you like that approach? Thart’s actually my 1st choice along with the others I’ve mentioned.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Here’s an option to Williams. Trade up with Detroit. Swap our 1st plus 2012 1st and take Suh. How do you like that approach? Thart’s actually my 1st choice along with the others I’ve mentioned.
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Hell yeah! If we’ve go DT in the 1st round, he’s the obvious choice.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
TJ,
You never responded to this, so I’m going to repost it while I know that you’re here so you can have an opportunity to say something. I’m REALLY hoping that you do.
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230 on the “Report: Raiders inquire about trading for Eagles QB McNabb” thread.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist punk.
March 27th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Then we are in agreement. Ad should send us to NY to make it happen. Yeah right, fat chance of picking the right people to fit our needs. Only time wil tell what mind set he’s in on draft day.
It’s realy too bad because there are people on this blog that if listened to, could really help our team win. What a pisser!
March 27th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
# RAIDERMAN99 Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Doesn’t matter if JaMoron weighs 270 or 290.
The only thing lower than JaMoron’s QB rating is his IQ.
JR is a certified MORON.
Anyone that’s had the displeasure of actually listening to this retard attempt to put a coherent thought together in an interview immediately comes to the conclusion that JaMoron is mentally challenged.
Of course, there are people here that believe that JaMoron’s inability to utter an understandable sentence is not a reflection of his intelligence or lack thereof.
These same people will also tell you that JaMoron is an accurate QB and that his completion percentage at LSU is proof of this.
These people won’t believe their ears when they listen to JaMoron babble and they won’t believe their eyes when it’s obvious JaMoron couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.
All these people will do is continue to believe and assure everyone that JaMoron has great ‘talent’.
Well, here’s another truth about JaMoron — he has great physical ability but very little talent.
He’s a big strong guy with a powerful arm. That’s physical ability – NOT TALENT.
A talented QB can read a defense. A talented QB can manipulate defenders with his eyes or pump fakes. A talented QB can audible when necessary. A talented QB has touch. A talented QB has awareness and pocket presence. A talented QB has leadership qualities and can unite the team.
JaMoron has NONE of these talents.
All he has is physical ability.
He doesn’t have the brain power, will power, and maybe not even the desire to to harness his great physical ability and be a franchise QB. In fact, his mental limitations are so severe he’ll never even be a decent NFL QB.
Now I’m not a big fan of McNabb. In my opinion McNabb is a very average QB when he’s playing in the pocket. McNabb at one time was a very dangerous QB that could demolish any defense by extending a play and moving around. Those days might be behind him. The best part of his game is on the decline. However, he remains an accurate deep passer and disguises and throws a nice screen pass (something JaMoron is incapable of).
Would bringing in McNabb be the right move ? I’m not sure.
But I am sure of one thing….
THE GREATEST ADDITION THE RAIDERS CAN MAKE IS ONE OF SUBTRACTION: DUMP RUSSELL NOW !
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This is still one of the best posts I’ve rad on this blog in a long time…. Period!
March 27th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
You need to read a few more posts JB …
March 27th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Stevie Stevie Stevie aren’t we grasping for straws these days. A little offended about being called out yourself huh?
Anyone with half a brain can understand what I meant about someone he can identify with. No one knows what it’s like to be a black QB in the NFL except another black QB in the NFL. Very simple.
Anyone with half a brain would also know that McNabb is a much different dynamic at QB then anyone we have right now. If we take care of business this offseason and fix the Oline and also Hue Jackson assist McNabb by running the football it changes the way McNabb has to play he doesn’t have to carry the offense by himself as he did in Philly.
He also is ready made credibility for the offfense (WR’s TE HB’s) he knows how to use those weapons in ways it will take Russell 3 years to learn as a starter. It would take Russell all year just to gain that kind of confidence with these young players where McNabb has that the day he steps on the practice field………..now if you can’t understand this you’re dumber than I thought…………period
March 27th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
TJ,
Stop trying to backtack and avoid the issues that I addressed.
You have said before that JR is ready to start NOW. Yet in that post, you said that he needs time to sit on the bench and learn and develop while McNabb starts.
You said before that the reason for us not being a playoff team had nothing to do with JR and that it was the fault of the supporting cast. Yet in that post, you said that with McNabb, we would be in the playoffs AT LEAST and also that we’d be getting to the big game in a hurry. The fact that you think the change of ONE player would get us to being a postseason team means that you DO believe that the rest of the supporting cast is good enough to make the playoffs.
By saying all that you did in that post, you unintentionally admitted that in all your previous defenses of JR, you were being disingenuous at least… and a liar at most.
March 27th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
TJ,
Also, as to the racial issue:
Whenever ANYONE talked about how Hue Jackson’s hiring was a good thing because maybe JR could identify with him, you called them a racist. You said that it was ridiculous to say that because color had nothing to do with it and that it was a COACHING failure by the team, not a “white coaches, black QB” issue. NOW you are saying that race DOES play a factor in relating to a fellow player/coach. You played the race card back then to defend JR and now, you play it again to try to defend McNabb coming here… but you used the exact OPPOSITE stance in each situation… apparently thinking that no one would notice.
You are a racist and a hypocrite and I’m just pointing it out using your own words.
March 27th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
Steve,
Are you bored?
Do we really have to go down this road? You are not going to “prove” anything about Priest to any of us, so what’s the point?
Sifting through all the bullshyt, are you really trying to say that Gradkowski or Garcia starting all year = McNabb starting all year? Are you trying to say that because someone “admits” that McNabb as a QB of this team with “ARGUABLY” the same supporting cast compares to Gradkowski or Garicia?
LMFAO!
March 27th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
Also, if you read my posts from when the rumor first surfaced, you will see that I was in favor of all that McNabb could bring to the team… and for pretty much the exact same reasons that you are. I just wanted the contract situation settled immediately and didn’t want to give anything more than a 2nd and Morrison for him. I stated that if those issues could be resolved, then I was in favor of trading for McNabb.
March 27th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Jhill,
Where did I say that Gradkowski or Garcia = McNabb?
Please use what was actually said to try to make a point instead of making up your own B.S. statement and refuting that as if I’d said it. You can’t get any credibility when you make strawman arguments.
March 27th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Jhill,
My post only talked about what TJ said Russell needed in order to develop and whether or not JR was ready to start, lead this team, and be a quality NFL QB already. Nowhere did I say anything about my opinion on McNabb or any other QB (including JR, except to say that I hope JR continues doing what he needs to do). Don’t try to turn it around on me and bring up fake crap that I didn’t say. It was solely about TJ’s lies, changing stories, and hypocrisy.
March 27th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Okay, I have to run a quick 1:25am (Virginia time) errand, but I should be back by 2. I’ll only be back for a few minutes before I have to be somewhere else, but I’ll address any comments or questions at that time.
March 27th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
You can’t get any credibility
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See that’s the problem. You think I give a fugg about being credible to you. This is a football blog for people to express football ideas. But a few of you choose to take different angles which is HILARIOUS!
If you read the post I think I ASKED you what you were trying to say, lol.
In your second point, you were saying something to the effect that Priest admitted that McNabb with this supporting cast could get us to the playoffs while Russell couldn’t. Didn’t I also point our “alleged” supporting cast?
The whole angle is ridiculous. White dudes trying to talk to black dudes about being racist is RIDICULOUS! Especially when you use Chris Rock as justification, lol.
March 27th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
My post only talked about what TJ said Russell needed in order to develop and whether or not JR was ready to start, lead this team, and be a quality NFL QB already.
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And it was wrong!
Priest has said SEVERAL times that Russell has A LOT of things to work on. We’ve been going back and forth on this a lot longer than you’ve been around. Some of us feel Russell is WITHOUT QUESTION the best QB “TALENT” we have on this team. Saying he should start over the likes of Frye, Gradkowski, Walter, Culpepper, and McClown is one thing, but McNabb is a whole different situation.
To try and tie Russell conversations in the context of Bruce Gradkowski to the converstations prasing McNabb and what he could do for the team and another young black QB is something YOU should not be trying to do.
IMO
March 27th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
But it’s ok for Al to play the race card when he touts his minority hiring, Steve?
March 27th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Jhill,
Stevie just wants to justify the way he feels towards Russell. If he indeed feels the wya some of these people do. While Russell is supremely talented he is a long way from where a McNabb is at this particular point in time. McNabb brings instant credibility to this offense. It would take Russell all year to do half that.
Everyone knows what I think about Russell in this open competition I think Russell wins it going away. People with this weight issue are missing the point IMO what Cable is alluding to is the LEADERSHIP component. His being here shows his teammates that he wants to take this job and fulfill his promise whic they all know he has in abundance. His weight is down true but the biggest thing he and Eddie are working on is his CONDITIONING. His endurance and explosion which helps him escape the rush. Russells playing weight is 260 he needs to be at or under that weight by July. That is all that matters in meantime he needs to work on the more important aspects of the position. The timing with his WR’s and TE’s develope more chemistry in the passing game. And that is what they are doing now. It’s only MARCH for cryin’ out loud.
March 27th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
TJ,
For the same reasons you have Cody dropping, some of us have a concern about Russell’s weight. With your logic, what difference does it make in March what Cody weighs, as long as he is down to 340 or so by the time camp opens?
I get what you are saying though. I don’t know if Russell was up to 325, so 290 is admirable progress, or if the Kawakami was right about the 271. You’re right, it really doesn’t matter, I guess.
But it sure is getting old man. Can’t wait to see that production on the field so we can get away from all the National Enquirer BS!
March 27th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Jhill,
Cody dropping weight is huge IMO he wasn’t even draftable. The fact that he has dropped rugly 30 lbs. shows me a lot. It shows he cares about the game to some extent. Now it could be just a money drive so I would excercise some caution in terms of where I pick him. But if he can get down in the 330-40 area and get his conditioning up this guy can be dominant. He has the best feet of any 320+lbs Dlineman in the draft he’s quick and very stout. He play a little high at times but he would be right there with Suh and McCoy.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
It’s a great morning/night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
BHP a racist? No way. Is BHP racial? Oh yeah. So what? In all the years of this forum, I do not recall seeing a single of his posts with racist content. Does he factor race into his thought processes? Of course. And…so do you, and every other person in here — whether or not we’d like to admit it.
KK, on the other hand, can’t help himself. Even when people try to help him back-off. KK goes out of his way to create conflict…even if it’s as demeaning as a racist argument. If you don’t believe me, just wait a day or two…he’ll tell you he’s being called racist, just to start the discussion.
Richochet, KK, MR, and the list of trolls goes on and on…and their #1 goal is to create discord in here, regardless of the tactics.
I’d agree with the post above, Alford — There’s really no need to start the race dust-up with TJ. He’s not right about everything, but he’s not as far off as some people in here would like us to believe.
And…I’m thinking he probably perceives things just a little bit differently than you do, so there’s no way you’re going to find even ground on the subject.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Priest,
I have to run, but before I go I want to point something out:
How does Cody dropping 30 pounds show that he cares about the game, but JR having a gut for the past two years doesn’t take away huge points in your book? Why question whether Cody’s weight-loss was a money drive, but assume that JR is getting in shape to become elite and not just to keep from being cut? You take the exact opposite stand depending on whether or not YOU like the player and you don’t stay consistent on ANYTHING. Jhill called you out on the weight thing right there in 459 about how “it’s just March” if JR is out of shape, but Cody is “undraftable” if he’s out of shape.
To once again clarify my position: I hope that JR is FINALLY on the path that he should’ve been on three years ago. I hope that he has his mind right in terms of commitment and doing all the things that he needs to do in the gym, in the classroom, in the filmroom, and on the field. I hope that he can fulfill the potential that is granted to him by his amazing physical gifts. I hope that he will become a top-tier NFL QB within the next two years and an elite All-Pro within five. I hope that all this happens WITH the Raiders. If this season shows regression on his part, my patience is done and I say to cut him if next March finds us having this same discussion.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
I would have no problem if the old man picked Center/Guard Maurkice Pouncey with that #8 pick.
Granted he can trade down 5-6 spots and still maybe get him….but rumors are rampant that Denver wants Pouncey.
Pouncey at 6′3, 312 pounds would add much needed POWER, ATHLETICISM, TOUGHNESS, AND VERSATILITY in the middle of that Raider O-Line.
Now picking Pouncey would be worth the reach IMO!
Then in Round 2, go OT V Ducasse, DT Lamarr Houston, DT Cam Thomas, DT Cody, MLB Spikes, DT Alualu, DE Wootoon
Another player that I think would be a great fit for this Raider team is DT 5 technique Jared Odrick…..hard worker, strong, athletic, great hand fighter and can disengage and penetrate and pursue. Can play DT in a 4-3 and can rush the passer from an end position in a 3-4 alignment, and on 3-4 packages.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
DK — All respect with this question…
Why is it OK for Al to reach for a OL prospect, but not for a WR prospect?
Just wondering.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
Hayes, the point is that TJ went out of his way to go over the top calling people racist for stating that they hoped that having a young black OC would help JR develop because JR could relate to him better than Hackett… yet now TJ is saying that having a black QB will help JR develop because JR can relate to him better than the rest of the NFL influences he’s had.
The fact that TJ can call others racist for saying basically the same thing (when there was no racism meant by the people saying it) and then turn around and say it himself is the height of hypocricy. The only reason he called others racist to start with is that he had to have an excuse to invalidate what others said.
Don’t like what people say? Call them a racist to deflect the attention away from their valid arguments. That’s TJ’s modus operandi and it annoys the hell out of me, so I called it out.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
JR probably new about the uncapped year and decided to work hard cause he knew he could get cut and loose his bonus money
March 27th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
JaMarcus at 290 is bad news. If he can’t play at 290…and I believe he can’t play at 290. But, his actual weight doesn’t matter, as long as he is at a “natural” weight for him to play fundamental football.
Playing-weight and football-smarts are kinda similar in that they’re hard to measure, but easy to see when they’re not where they need to be. Two important areas of great concern for us. Here’s hoping JaMarcus’ off-season of the chaperone will pay off in both. If not…Grads will get it done, if he’s not replaced by a McNabb.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
I dont think he loves the game like he should his spoiled ass with all that money now taking everything for granted.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
DK — All respect with this question…
Why is it OK for Al to reach for a OL prospect, but not for a WR prospect?
Just wondering.
^^^^^^^^^^
Pouncey is the top rated Center AND top rated Guard in this draft. He is better than Iupati even as a Guard. Iupati is not as technically sound as Pouncey.
DHB was barely the 5th rated WR last year.
If the old man Al was going to reach, why didn’t he reach for Percy Harvin at least? He can return punts and kicks even.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Hayes,
I know you asked this question to DK, but I’ll give my opinion on it if you don’t mind.
For me, it’s okay to reach on a player who is at a position of greatest need (or second-greatest need) in hopes of fixing the biggest issues. Last year, as is still the case this year, Offensive Line and Defensive Line were the two areas of greatest need on this team, IMO. Reaching for a potentially great WR does no good to the team if the play never has time to develop because of horrible protection. Reaching for a potentially great DB does no good if the opposing offense has all day to wait for a receiver to come free due to lack of penetration or tackling from our DL.
This is just MY opinion on why it’s okay to “reach” for an OL prospect by drafting him higher than he’s rated than for a WR. This applies to our position last year and this year only, however. If we had been good in the trenches on both sides of the ball, then I would have no problem with “reaching” for WR.
March 27th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
Alford — Bringing up old news…from the race argument that wasn’t actually started by TJ at the time, is just like dredging for more racist remarks from those that want to imbibe. Why bother? Those debates are the ruination of this blog.
BHP likes JaMarcus. A lot. We all get it. Moving right along…
March 27th, 2010 at 11:59 pm
Hayes, you make far too much sense in a mature, adult fashion to be here. Are you sure that you’re a Raiders fan?
March 27th, 2010 at 11:59 pm
And last year, WR was #1 on my list (and many others’ too) of this team’s needs on Draft day.
So, (arguably) since WR was as much a need as OL or DL was last year, why would it have been OK for us to have reach for a POTENTIAL success at OL or DL, but not at WR?
Just makes no sense when looked at objectively.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:02 am
Ha…that’s the first and last time I’ll be accused of being an adult in here.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:07 am
Yeah, if the old man wanted to get TRUE value at the WR and if he didn’t like Crabtree, than why the hell didn’t he Harvin?? Harvin was way more versatile than DHB and he is still VERY fast!
Yeah, DHB was such a stupid lame ass pick! Ugh!
March 28th, 2010 at 12:09 am
And, I agree with the need for stronger OL and DL’s…always have. Just didn’t think we should’ve picked for either of those positions first last year. A mistake? Maybe, but not yet. Just like it wouldn’t be a mistake if Lineman didn’t “get it” his first year.
Do I want instant success? Yeah, man. “Instant” success usually takes years of planning (and picks that pan-out). We’ve got enough picks panning-out now, that if a few more (esp. DHB) start to come into their own, we’ll be more than just OK.
Have faith…this is the year BOTH lines get taken care of…for the next 3-5 years.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:13 am
Hayez, your definition of a troll is right there with your definition of a successful owner in today’s NFL. You are not a moderator here, you are not an author here, you are not an accredited contributor. You are a NO NAME, irrelevant, insignificant, small time, outsider who drops in and leaves comments. Nothing more.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Steve Alford, you’re talking about race more than anyone tonight. Just so you know.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Ha, DK — What happens IF DHB pans-out? Will you accept him then? He’s a smart, hard-working, and dedicated young man. That’s exactly the kind of player you WANT to take isn’t it? I know, I know…as long as he can catch. I believe DHB can, and that he will.
Yes, we could’ve had Harvin. But we’ve got Murphy. What would happen if Murphy and DHB BOTH turn out to be great picks? That makes for a great WR corps for a few years also.
IF — a big IF — DHB gets it figured out this year, we’re all in for a treat. Especially if we have a QB who’s got it figured out, too.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:18 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
Hayez, your definition of a troll is right there with your definition of a successful owner in today’s NFL. You are not a moderator here, you are not an author here, you are not an accredited contributor. You are a NO NAME, irrelevant, insignificant, small time, outsider who drops in and leaves comments. Nothing more.
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Ummmmm….kettle black, kettle black!
Look in the mirror, you flippin’ hypocrite.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:19 am
LOL. On Cinemax right now: “The Hills Have Thighs”. I’m checking that out. Later.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:20 am
RD1 CJ SPILLER rb RD2 EVERSON GRIFFEN de RD3 BRADON SPIKES mlb RD4 TONY PIKE qb RD5 CHRIS SCOTT ot RD5 ZOLTAN MESKO punter RD7 CHRIS GARRETT rb/kr
March 28th, 2010 at 12:22 am
How am I a hypocrite? I don’t take the high ground to call anyone else here a troll. This is Jerry McDonald’s blog. Only he or his moderators have the high ground to call someone a troll. We’re all commenters here. And only they decide when one of us is banned for being a troll. Not you. Know why? Because you’re nobody. You come in here pretending to be some kind of expert on the Raiders and that you have some kind of writing talent. You’re neither. you’re a delusional wannabe. You’re not important, you’re not special. Nobody here sits around and waits for you to chime in with any kind of insightful knowledge. You basically come in here and repeat the Raiders’ company line word for word. The only person on this planet who takes you seriously is the ugly moron in the mirror. Now, I’m off to my soft core porn. Goodnight.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:24 am
In real life right now…a real, warm, gorgeous person to share my buzz with.
Enjoy Cinemax, lonesome!
It’s a great morning to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
March 28th, 2010 at 12:26 am
RMR,
I realize that I was the one who brought up race. I did so because when I called TJ out for his comment, he never responded. Because of that, I brought it up again tonight. I just wanted to know that he had seen what I had to say about his hypocrisy. That is all.
How are you doin tonight?
March 28th, 2010 at 12:27 am
Yeh, you’ve got a nice looking woman with you, but you just had to crack open your lap top and chime in on the Raiders blog real quick. I’m sure any woman would be cool with that, at this hour. Not even your mother, moron, who happens to be the only woman within a hundred feet of you right now.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:28 am
Steve, just drop it. Get beyond race, dude. It shouldn’t matter.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:30 am
“yeh baby”
“oh yeh”
“ohh”
“oohhhh”
“oohhhhhhhhh”
“aaaaaaaaaww yessssss!! IT’S A GREAT DAY TO BE A RAIDER FAN, ISN’T IT, BABE?…where’s my smokes?”
March 28th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Oooohh…so let’s just be clear here…
I must’ve hurt MR’s feelings, pointing out his absurd usage of the English language…considering that for years, he had people in here believeing he was the next great screenwriter. Once I exposed his weekends-only screenwriting course ($699…$599 with a coupon!), he suddenly became just a guy who wanted to go down to L.A. for the weekends. Hahahaha.
MR — Everybody in here knows you, and those like you. It’s just killing you that YOU can’t run rough-shod on the blog anymore…somebody as illiterate and immature as Richochet has stolen your thunder as the biggest spewer of hate and filth in here. That Richochet has stolen your filthy crown is just laughable.
Don’t pull anything watching Cinemax, Lonesome!
Now I’m done.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:17 am
Good morning Raider fans!
March 28th, 2010 at 5:51 am
Vasher to the chargers is looking like it’s gonna happen. I brought it up on another board and no one wanted him so we’ll see how he does over there.
March 28th, 2010 at 7:13 am
Bruce Gradkowski should be the Raiders QB, Taylor Mays will be drafted by the Raiders. McNabb, I don’t think is a good investment for the Raiders, I like him, but not a good marriage. Football is chemistry and Bruce Gradkowski has the chemistry with the organization. Gradkowski “WANTS TO” and that goes a long long ways. McNabb is better off going someplace else, looks like good window dressing, but nothing to build on with that acquisition.
March 28th, 2010 at 7:34 am
If the Raiders made a run at McNabb next year when he is a FA, than I would be all for it.
But trading away a second-rounder (or more) and giving Donovan an extension prior to his season as a 34 year old QB with lots of miles on him, makes no sense to me.
McNabb or not, this team is going to struggle to make the playoffs. Donovan has weeks like last year in Oakland, when he was OUTPLAYED by Jamarcus Russell.
Not worth the acquisition cost.
March 28th, 2010 at 7:48 am
“It’s only March, for cryin’ out loud.”
Priest, that’s exactly what we were saying last year about JR, and, well, we all know how that turned out. I was willing to wait and see last year, but after the debacle of last season I’m afraid I’m not giving Russell the benefit of the doubt this time around. If he shows the SLIGHTEST indication of not being ready to go this spring we need to cut bait. And for the record, I’m one of the guys that WANTS him to succeed (which doesn’t matter one little bit, really. He’s the one that has to want to).
Also, I have to say I don’t share your optimism with Cody. The whole weight loss thing smells more to me like somebody that’s doing it to get paid, and I don’t trust guys like that to care once they do. And also for the record, just so there’s no misunderstanding, I don’t care about the color of his skin, just the color of his uniform. If he’s an undisciplined slob just looking for a payday, I don’t want him wearing the Silver and Black. Period.
March 28th, 2010 at 7:49 am
Nnamdi Asomugha mcnabb hahahahahahahahahaha only if they give us mcnabb there first found and samuel that sounds fair! they only want a second round why would they give them asomugha????? give them a second round and jamarcus with his fat a$$ and fat a$$ contract?!?!?!?!?
March 28th, 2010 at 7:52 am
who cares who the chargers got f them
March 28th, 2010 at 7:54 am
I don’t trust Cody either.
At best I see him as a situational player, not an every down kind of guy.
At worst he’ll end up eating himself out of the league in 3 years.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:00 am
o and russel has not outplayed any nfl qb ever! i meen who did he out play tim coutch? russel threw 3 td -11 int 1287 yds mcnabb went for 22tds-10int 3553yds
March 28th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Terrence Cody had exactly half a sack in his Alabama career.
He IS a situational player. You put him on the field first down, and they run play-action, immediately he is a liability.
I think he will be available in the second round when we pick.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:04 am
cody is a big mofo
March 28th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Someone will take Cody too high I think.
If you needed one more guy to fill out a good D-line I could see a 2nd round pick.
For us It doesn’t make sense unless it’s 4th round or later.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:06 am
Terrence Cody will be there in the second but do we really want that guy?
March 28th, 2010 at 8:06 am
I also can’t believe the “scouting reports” that say that he is also an asset on special teams because he can block kicks.
The two kicks he “blocked” this year were against Tennessee, and their punter (who was kicking because their placekicker was injured) literally kicked them right into Cody’s stomach.
The guy weighs 350 pounds. He does not have a vertical.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:10 am
sounds like he has a horizontal!
March 28th, 2010 at 8:12 am
Lol. Width and depth perhaps, but dude ain’t getting air any time soon.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:13 am
Shaun Rodgers is probably 350+ , and he has blocked like 15 kicks in his NFL career.
Maybe these fat guys know something we don’t.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:15 am
Yeah, they discovered a meal between breakfast and brunch.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:15 am
I don’t know about Shaun Rogers, Vegas, but I watched that Alabama-Tennesse game. Cody didn’t even have to move. The guy kicked the ball right into him twice. Never seen anything like it.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:16 am
If the raiders draft him then cody and russel can start there own hefty raiders line of clothes together so they can pay back there extreme contract money.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Teach,
I saw the last one, and I think it hit Cody under his armpit.
Just seems the only kicks that are blocked these days are the guys with the initial push on the line. The days of jumping over the pile or coming around the edge to block a kick seem to have passed for whatever reason.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:21 am
cody=wasted pick!
March 28th, 2010 at 8:23 am
So we have 4 or 5 average OLB and not really one good MLB.
Anyone else see this as a problem?
March 28th, 2010 at 8:25 am
Agreed, Vegas, and most of the time it seems like it’s the fact that the ball’s too low coming off the kicker’s foot. Whether it’s a bad snap, or a poor hold or whatever, it’s almost like it comes down to the three guys that touch the ball anymore. Teams have gotten really good at executing quickly. Once in awhile somebody competely whiffs at the LOS, but you just don’t see that as often (at least I don’t).
March 28th, 2010 at 8:26 am
good morning, anyways we need a space-eater in the middle to free up our LB’s to make plays, MT.CODY would’nt be a wasted pick but i don’t see him there at our 2nd pick.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:27 am
Yup, if it is a crisp snap, a good hold, and guys like Seabass pounding the rock, not a whole lot anyone can do about it.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:28 am
thats why we need to draft brandon spikes in the third!
March 28th, 2010 at 8:28 am
Huge problem, Vegas. I’m probably one of the few that feels that our o-line is weaker up the middle than it is on the edges, and that needs to be addressed. Obviously, so does the middle of the front seven on defense. Al’s going to have to be perfect this offseason to fix those three very important areas, or we’re in trouble again.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:29 am
NT is our second biggest need after RT.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:30 am
RG needs an upgrade too.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:33 am
Crazy that Cornbread Green got the deal he did, like immediately. Buffalo couldn’t wait to get their hands on him.
He must have been a real good run-blocker, because clearly his penalties and pass-protection were awful at times.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:35 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
March 28th, 2010 at 8:35 am
dude we need a center RG and RT, MLB,DT another nickel CB
March 28th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Maybe the Bills figure that the cold in Buffalo will slow him down and he won’t false start all the time, and the officials won’t see the holding through the snowflakes. Or something.
It is the Bills, though. All those clowns had to do was hold on to Jason Peters and draft somebody to play the right side and they’d be fine right now.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Watch for the Bills to have a top 10 rushing team next year with Green starting all 16 at RT. Would seem pretty fitting these days.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:44 am
I just hope for their sake that their QB can throw on the run while moving to his left.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:44 am
hahaha yeah it will prob turn out just like the time they signed langston walker after we released him a few years back they gave him a bunch of money just to stink $hit up.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:51 am
and if cody goes in the first round it WILL be a wasted pick for the j russel of DT’s
March 28th, 2010 at 10:15 am
HayezDaze, your accusations of me bringing nothing but hate to this blog is absurd. I only hate Al Davis and his followers. I show love and support to all of the fans here who hate Al Davis. I’ve also showed love and support for people in the Raiders organization who hate Al Davis. Warren Sapp, Rich Gannon, Lane Kiffin, the list goes on. I show love to sports writers who hate Al Davis. So I just don’t know what you’re talking about.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:18 am
There’s very little in the national press about these mcnabb rumors anymore. Just some stories about him going to the Vikes.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:29 am
Smart move to pressure the Eagles by feinting interest in Sage Rosenfelt(sp). Makes them shyt or get off the pot.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Is McNabb in town yet?
March 28th, 2010 at 10:46 am
i guess we really are looking into getting a qb in here. sage rosenfels isn’t all that mobile and would get killed here. pony up eagles
March 28th, 2010 at 10:50 am
KoolKell Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Is McNabb in town yet?
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Maybe you can sell him that condo for temporary lodging. LMFAO
March 28th, 2010 at 10:52 am
I heard a rumor we’d get Farve if McNabb goes to MIN.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Kell, McNabb was in town this morning, to tell Al right to his face, “HELL NO!!!”. Then he got back on a plane.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:11 am
# HayesDaze37 Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Ha, DK — What happens IF DHB pans-out? Will you accept him then? He’s a smart, hard-working, and dedicated young man. That’s exactly the kind of player you WANT to take isn’t it? I know, I know…as long as he can catch. I believe DHB can, and that he will.
Yes, we could’ve had Harvin. But we’ve got Murphy. What would happen if Murphy and DHB BOTH turn out to be great picks? That makes for a great WR corps for a few years also.
IF — a big IF — DHB gets it figured out this year, we’re all in for a treat. Especially if we have a QB who’s got it figured out, too.
^^^^^^^^^
Sure….I would love to see DHB step it up and actually make plays and catch the freakin football…..just as I would like to see Juggs step it the hell up as well.
Until they do step it up….I will continue to rip them….not baby them. Just like an owner and coach should be doing….until they prove them and us fans wrong.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:14 am
I would have no problem with getting Rosenfels either….he would be the best QB on this Raiders roster. Trade a 4th Rounder for him and he would be cheaper than McNabb and he already is signed thru 2011 I believe.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Jonesy941 Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 8:51 am
and if cody goes in the first round it WILL be a wasted pick for the j russel of DT’s
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Agreed.
Cody’s weihgt flucuates and affects his play. Whats he gonna do when he gets double digit millions like Russell?
Heres a nmae to look out for on the D line
CALAHAN BRIGHT.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:49 am
# HayesDaze37 Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Ha, DK — What happens IF DHB pans-out? Will you accept him then? He’s a smart, hard-working, and dedicated young man. That’s exactly the kind of player you WANT to take isn’t it? I know, I know…as long as he can catch. I believe DHB can, and that he will.
Yes, we could’ve had Harvin. But we’ve got Murphy. What would happen if Murphy and DHB BOTH turn out to be great picks? That makes for a great WR corps for a few years also.
IF — a big IF — DHB gets it figured out this year, we’re all in for a treat. Especially if we have a QB who’s got it figured out, too.
^^^^^^^^^^
Good write up below….the Hemingway stuff is good.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday-at-the-Post-6911.html
March 28th, 2010 at 11:53 am
2 LL’s actually in Callahan.
He was rated in the top 2 DT’s in 2005, fell out academically from the Seminoles I belive and floundered.
He’s been getting coaching training and working hard to improve but still needs coaching.
A project no doubt, but worth looking into and would prolly come pretty cheap.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
It’s once again a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
DK — I’m a HUGE fan of Hemingway, and that was a good quick read, thx.
Sage @ QB? I’ve been saying for months that we need another veteran QB in here…and Sage is good enough, he probably would win any QB competition here. That competition would drive all the QB’s on the roster to step-up their games.
I have serious doubts about JaMarcus ever making it (don’t we all?). I feel Gradkowski has the stuff to get it done as the starter, and be a very good pro…but, I worry about his durability like I worry about DMC’s durability. They can’t play well if they can’t play at all.
As mentioned by posters above, Rosenfels could be had for much less than McNabb — and the Raiders still need to prove they have TWO capable QB’s on the roster.
McNabb if the price is right (sorry Grads). No Nnamdi in the deal without replacing him with another hi-grade CB at the same time. No Nnamdi in the deal at all would be so much better.
Rosenfels if the price is right-er (and a great Spring battle for the starter’s job among all the QB’s on the roster).
Neither Rosenfels or McNabb? I think Grads wins the job outright. I don’t see it happening, but if JaMarcus truly beats Grads for the job, it will be a very good thing for all of us, because it means the kid “got it.” Ahhh, we can hope.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Would give up DHB,Murphy,Dmac just for Harvin.
March 28th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
gradkowski is a no talent gym-rat. I am tired of fans treating this team like its their son’s little league team. Do you know how many players show fire and enthusiasm but are now teaching high school gym class or working as insurance brokers.
Stop with the Gradkowski love. You don’t hand over an entire season because some guy has a great attitude. He has to have talent! Gradkowski lacks it. And when the league defensive coordinators expose that, we will be stuck once again in a Josh McCownish nightmare!
~to be continued
March 28th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
JaDavis Russell should be cut with immediate effect should he indeed weight 290 lbs. No freekn way do you keep a 1st round pick, pay him $9M that behaves like that!
The fact we are asking for Donavan McNabb and now even freekn Sage Rosenfelds shows how PATHETIC Russell is.
And this falls on the most inept, incompetent and plain STUPID organization in professional sports. ONly the Raiders could create such an environment of laziness and no accountability that a player could feel they could be as slothfull and indifferent as Russell has. Not to mention the coaching changes and general chaos.
WHAT A FREEKN JOKE.
Sage Rosenfelds, Bruce Gradkowski….why even bother watching!
March 28th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
ANd that’s why this team will never win. We keep putting hope in #$!$@ QBs that have grit and fire but can’t throw the damn ball…..guys that flash enough to win 5 games a year.
We need a Philip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Matt Schaub, Carson Palmer, Aaron Rogers type QB…..not a backup QB like Gradkowski or Rosenfelds
March 28th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
DHB had 9 freekn catches in 11 starts.
4 games with no catches at all.
Maybe he turns it around….that’s the hope in it all
Reality says to me that we drafted the next Troy Williamson or Ted Ginn Jr.
9 catches…that makes no sense.
Louis Murphy is much better. But he will be benched because DHB has such a terrific 40x.
Couldn’t get open with it though
March 28th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
the passing game will continue to struggle because of Al Davis’ inability to get a real QB.
Therefore, the line play will be critical to getting this team in position to win.
1st – the NT position needs to be addressed. Until we can stop the run, the defense will collapse under pressure. Dan Williams should be the pick. Great linebackers need great lineplay….not the other way around. NT should be the 1st round pick
2nd – the O-Line should be next. The best guard or tackle available so that we can be more effective running the football. Pass protection is important, but with no QB back there…focus on run blocking. Get Bush 20 carries and DMAC 10 to 15 and move on
March 28th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
JaDavis Russell should be cut with immediate effect should he indeed weight 290 lbs. No freekn way do you keep a 1st round pick, pay him $9M that behaves like that!
The fact we are asking for Donavan McNabb and now even freekn Sage Rosenfelds shows how PATHETIC Russell is.
And this falls on the most inept, incompetent and plain STUPID organization in professional sports. ONly the Raiders could create such an environment of laziness and no accountability that a player could feel they could be as slothfull and indifferent as Russell has. Not to mention the coaching changes and general chaos.
WHAT A FREEKN JOKE.
Sage Rosenfelds, Bruce Gradkowski….why even bother watching!
^^^^^^^^^
Clausen would be better than Juggs Russell from DAY ONE in training camp. Write that down!
What about picking the Flacco clone in Jon Skelton from Fordham….in like Round 4 or 5?
Big, strong, decent footwork, can sit and learn for a year or two behind Rosenfels. The ball jumps out of his hands and he throws tight spirals and at the combine showed his accuracy.
March 28th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Dknight,
AL Davis hasn’t developed his own QB in 35 years. I don’t think the organization has the capability, patience or environment to develop a qB.
That’s why I am all for getting McNabb. He’s a solid QB coming off a good year. He the same age as Manning and Brady so he has years left.
McNabb is the only chance the Raiders have for running a professional offense.
Gradkowski, rosenfelds, JaDavis….totally and completely inept.
March 28th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Mad Hatter Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
R1: D. Williams, Shore up the middle of the DL RUNSTOP!
R2: B. Spikes, Fiery MLB, probably 5x better than Kirk.
R3: I would begin drafting the best O linemen left on the board at this point. Either a Guard or a Tackle, depending on the value of the pick.
R4: If I took an OT in R3, then I take an OG here, and vise versa. (For the record I think that Al will draft J. ‘Fastest 40 time’ Ford at either 3 or 4)
R5: J. Skelton, JR is an absolute bust, Al can try for his monster QB with the monster arm again here, except Skelton has intelligence and heart to go along with his natural ability. He is compared heavily to Flacco, but said to be more developed than Falcco was at that stage. Let’s see if Hue can do it again!
R6: N/A
R7: If that dude who boffed his sister is still available, I guess we could look at him, but it’s gonna be kinda wierd for that guy no matter where he goes. We actually have 2 7ths, so I will just leave it up to Al to try and find a diamond in the rough here. That is something that the old man is surprisingly good at from time to time.
March 28th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Mad Hatter,
Good mock draft. I am all for focusing on the defense in the top end of the draft. The offense has had all the attention and is still the worst in the league. Bunch of busts and has beens.
Build the defense, and build it up the middle like you suggested. Who cares about an OT when you have no QB.
Also, unfortunately, Davis doesn’t look for diamonds in the rough in the 7th round, like you stated…Davis looks for diamonds in the rough in the 1st and 2nd rounds.
Probably happen again…fast 40x and athleticism….such a solid philosophy
March 28th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Chaz Shilens was a 7th rounder… plus Scott, Shaughnessy, Branch were all late rounders, not 7ths, granted, but still 4th rounders and beyond…
March 28th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Anybody in here play Madden 10 on Xbox live?
March 28th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 11:14 am
I would have no problem with getting Rosenfels either….he would be the best QB on this Raiders roster. Trade a 4th Rounder for him and he would be cheaper than McNabb and he already is signed thru 2011 I believe.
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Just when I start to agree with some of your stuff, you disappoint me so. Sage Rosenfels????? Please tell me you’re joking.
March 28th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Sage Rosenfel?
LMFAO!
Lombardo is just trying to keep his failing blog alive.
March 28th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
SnB,
I’d rather have DHB than JLH. I saw your post yesterday, but couldn’t respond.
I think you know that Nick Miller is in the plan. He impressed the hell out of someone to stay on the squad all of last year. Trust me when I tell you that he will certainly be on the roster next year, if healthy. He’s the PR already, and I think him and Yamon Figurs will return KOs. He’ll certainly get snaps from the slot, as will DMAC so I see JLH as the odd man out.
March 28th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
JLH is way better than DHB!
March 28th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
hey, is everything quiet on the western front.. i mean coast…
March 28th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Mad Hatter,
1st: Dan Williams is a very safe option. Clausen is the best value but Williams is the lowest risk. He is a bit of a reach at No8 but probably no more than OTs Williams, Davis and Brown. If we get some trade down offers, and we might, that seems the smartest move.
2nd: I like Spikes but he isn’t good value at the top of the 2nd. Better to take an OT (Veldheer, Ducasse, Staffold) or a DT (Atkins, Thomas) and see if Spikes is still around in the 3rd.
3rd: Spikes if available – otherwise this is the OG round (Jerry, Petrus, Newhouse, Johnson).
4th: I will take another OT – this is such a deep class and we can get a real prospect in the 4th (Calloway, Young, Capers, Wang, Beadles)
5th: Skelton will be long gone. He might go late 2nd. If you want a QB in the 5th, then you need to look at Crompton, Kafka and Canfield. Maybe even Perrilloux. The better (high upside) QB prospects, including Skelton, Snead and Brown are all moving up the Boards due to the positional value.
7th: Agree that Tony Washington deserves a chance and he has talent. Suspect he might go as early as the 5th. There are some other good value, low risk OTs likely to be around in the 7th (Marinelli, Landolt, Scott).
March 28th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Thanks Scottish, I appreciate the input.. However, there are a lot of QBs ranked ahead of Skelton, unless the league goes QB crazy in an early round, I can see him falling to the 5th, but I really like this kid as a prospect. He will need time to develop, but I would be open to taking him as early as the 3rd if it looks like all the Qbs are being taken. We need to draft a QB even if we do get McNabb. In fact, IMO, the ideal situation would be to Get McNabb and draft a QB to learn behind him. That way we don’t fall into another 7 year slump when our 34 year old QB retires…
March 28th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Skelton had a great Pro-Day. He has the same attributes as Flacco – size, arm, maturity. I could see a team like 49ers, Arizona, Browns, Jags taking a punt late in the 2nd or early 3rd. Don’t see Skelton lasting past the first 100 picks.
If you want to trade for McNabb and draft a prospect, my money would be on Jarrett Brown in the 3rd. Physically, he has all the tools. He is very raw but has a huge upside – and is supposed to be a diligent, hard-working character. Troy Smith is still the best value (5th) but Hue doesn’t seem interested.
March 28th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Jhill,
We’ll see with DHB. 9 catches in 11 starts is unprofessional. So, again, we will see.
I like JLH. I liked him at the end of 2008 and still do. JLH caught 19 balls with no starts last year.
DHB caught 9 freekn balls.
JLH has already shown some ability that I have not seen from DHB in a game.
The only thing DHB has over JLH is the draft status.
Also, Nick Miller won’t make the team next year. That’s my prediction. I don’t know what Nick Miller can do, seeing how he hasn’t taken an NFL snap yet. More hopes and dreams. This guy, a UFA from Southern Utah, is a total unknown…and a long-shot at that. Sounds like another Tom Cable project.
Fortunately, Hue Jackson is here and hopefully will clean some of this up.
JLH had a slow start due to getting lit up….he recovred down the stretch. There is no logical reason why he should be tossed aside excepting from DHB’s contract
March 28th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
For those mock drafters. Don’t forget we have another 7th round compensatory pick. By the way, anyone know who it was for?
March 28th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
JLH had 4 games with 3 or more receptions.
DHB had 9 catches in 11 games
March 28th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
We got the 7th for losing Chris Clemmons to the Eagles.
March 28th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Reason why no one likes JLH
DHB is 6′2, 215….JLH is 6′0 180
DHB is 4.2 40x…..JLH is 4.4 40x
DHB was drafted in the 1st round….JLH in the 3rd round
DHB looking bad makes Davis look bad…JLH is expendable
OH…getting off the bus..DHB looks like Cliff Branch…
March 28th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Thanks scottish, hadn’t heard.
March 28th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
This whole compensatory pick lark is a bit of a game. The smartest teams (Pats, etc.) are quite ruthless about moving qualified FAs during the season to secure one of the 32 compensatory picks. The Raiders seem to treat this as an after-thought.
Just like the Supplementary Draft – still furious that we didn’t draft Jared Gaither for a measly 3rd. Another dumb mistake and Ozzie pounced.
March 28th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Zach Miller = 66 rec 805 yds 3TDs
Louis Murphy = 34 rec 521 yds 4TDs
Chaz Schilens = 29 rec 365 yds 2TDs
Darren McFadden = 21 rec 245 yds
Johnnie Lee Higgins = 19 rec 263
Justin Fargas = 17 rec 113yds
Michael Bush = 17 rec 105 yds
Gary Russell = 12 rec 96 yds
Tony Stewart = 10 rec 78 yds
DARIUS HEYWARD-BEY = 9 REC 124YDS 1td
Note: Todd Watkins had 8 receptions and Luke Lawton had 7 receptions
March 28th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Dknight,
AL Davis hasn’t developed his own QB in 35 years. I don’t think the organization has the capability, patience or environment to develop a qB.
That’s why I am all for getting McNabb. He’s a solid QB coming off a good year. He the same age as Manning and Brady so he has years left.
McNabb is the only chance the Raiders have for running a professional offense.
Gradkowski, rosenfelds, JaDavis….totally and completely inept.
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Could be but far as capability everyone agrees we’ve got one of the best QB coaches in the game. far as patience goes I’d say Jamarcus has been brought along incredibly slow and Nnamdi Asomugha’s a prime example of Raider patience.
Enviroment?
Wouldn’t know, I’ve never been behind the scenes with the Raiders.
Do you have some intimate knowledge of the Raiders inner workings other than the crap cranked out by the rumor mill and a loud mouth attention seeking Sapp?
The last 7 have sucked to be sure and I’m with you far as getting McNabb but I’m not sure Oakand won’t get Russell up to speed.
massive loss if they don’t.
March 28th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
We can only hope Schilens stays healthy.
March 28th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Namdi, that is why the 290 thing is a big deal…he still doesn’t get it. And the 290 thing is not a rumor.
March 28th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
More, he not only has lost the fans and coaches, but his teammates too. Did you see what schilens said about Rruss after fry went down?
March 28th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
And the 290 thing is not a rumor.
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So Adam Schefter says a few weeks back that Russell HAD lost a bunch of weight and had even changed his mechanics.
Kawakami even goes with the 271 from his sources.
Now Schefter comes with the 291 thing, and it’s fact?
LOL!
So did he lose a bunch of weight and change his mechanics like Schefter said?
Or is he 291 like Schefter said?
March 28th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
So many “insiders” in here.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Good evening Raider fans. What’s going on?
March 28th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
SnB,
DHB will get the same 3 years to do something that JLH did.
Me not liking JLH has nothing to do with Nick Miller. It’s things like running into another WR, or running routes and not looking for the ball, or running out of bounds and looking like a clown while returning punts.
JLH is a slot WR. I’d rather see DMAC there with Bush in the backfield. And Nick Miller seems like the perfect Wes Welker prospect to throw in the slot as well.
JLH’s time is up!
March 28th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
And I’d love for JLH to turn it around and make this a moot point.
Believe it or not, I have more faith in Bruce Gradkowski than I do JLH.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Wassup Buckeye ..
Same ole same ole …
March 28th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
the Meditations of jaMarcus Russellius will be logged in the morning.
The a.m. crew knows the difference between 291 and the skinny legs of McFade.
The palms of a Sunday ride upon a burro.
Amen.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Jhill, let it go man, these idiots will believe anything as long as it’s negative. I go to the HQ all the time I don’t know what Russell weighs and neither do they. Because they didn’t weigh him and he’slosing weight all the time. Due to the training he’s getting.
They lied about him being in AZ because they didn’t want the fans to change their attitudes and they lied about the Vegas thing. Now this is just another attempt by those that don’t like the kid. I know this only that the organization is happy with his progress and what he’s doing.
Norco Bob came in here and reported Russell was an alcoholic and that he was in treatment instead of down there working out and everybody bought it even me to certain extent.
They will never let up on this kid while Ben Rothlesberger is accused of asualting young women Russell weight gets more attention. Go figure!
After the draft when they have more of a handle on things team oriented as a whole they will come out and you’ll have much better coverage on the team and Russell. But right now their trying to concentrate on getting work done instead of this pointless circus. It doesn’t matter how much weight he’s lost trust me they’ll just find some other reason to denegrate the kid.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
They will never let up on this kid while Ben Rothlesberger is accused of asualting young women Russell weight gets more attention. Go figure!
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As soon as Russell wins a SB, then I think folks will get off his jock.
The Big Ben thing is tricky. Nothing really there with the allegations. It’s kinda dying down because it seems like a bogus case. There was much more coverage of this case for Ben than the last one.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
BHP,
by any acknowledgement, JRuss is a good kid. As a QB, who knows.
Shrug.
But I do understand that fans are idiots to think that Bruce Gradcowonskis and Chuck Fry are any answer to any question anyone would ever want to hear the answer to.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Jhill,
It seems like a bogus case because he being protected IMO, the same way they protected Montana. They buried evidence handed out hush money and buried the case. The same thing with Eddie D’Bartolo when he assaulted that girl. They busted him red handed and the case never got off the ground.
I really don’t know what happened with Big Ben but two accusations of the same kind within a year? Come on man the dude has issues and the two cops that were with him. lol I could tell you stories that would make fiction ashamed when it comes to the cops.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Why would the Raider be interested in another backup QB like Sage Rosenfels of the Vikings? I seen the guy play, he is nothing but a backup QB matter fact I think Gradkowitzki seems a better fit comparing to this guy. Grad is a pass first run second type of QB. With our weak OL, we need a QB who can sramble, Rosenfels is a hitting target with this OL. I hope if they trade for him, they trade one of our 7th round pick otherwise focus on getting Mcnabb to the bay. But it seems to me that AL Davis doesn’t trust neither JR nor Grad and his desperation for a good QB is leading him to get this bum of the Vikings roster. I hope he doesn’t do the same mistake the vikings did and trade our second round for this bum. My prediction, JR is getting cut soon.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
JHill,
if PacBen (as Whitlock calls him) was someone other than a rich and famous SB QB he would not have been protected against the Stateline rape charges.
In Georgia, stupid is as stupid does.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Who cares about Big Ben and all that noise. I didn’t care about Vick or PacMan…I care about wins and if not wins..then improvement.
I have seen scant little improvement around here. I don’t buy the Bruce Gradkowski nonsense..he’s a gym-rat backup QB and nothing else…and it can be no denial that JaDavis has been a colossal disappointment. He’s not even a functioning QB right now. And weight rumors, true or not, don’t help.
I want Donanvan McNabb. Let’s get back to what the Raiders have historically done, win with other peoples left overs.
McNabb would be the best QB this franchise has ever had. To me signing him is a no-brainer…overpay him if necessary…we can’t win with “JaDavis and the Gym-Rat”
DHB was terrible last year. 9 catches! 9! no putting Tulips around that turd DHB laid last year. His whole career should be in question. He couldn’t get open and he couldn’t catch.
Start McNabb, Bush, Murphy, Schilens, Miller….period.
March 28th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
Priesttj
Wassup man, you said that the organization is happy JR’s progress and what hes doing, if so, why go after a bum backup QB like Sage Rosenfels? Logically, if a team is trying to upgrade a certain position, it can only mean that they don’t like the personnel they got in that position, am i right? If so, why you think the organization is happy about JR, it doesn’t seem to make sense!!!
March 28th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
SnB,
McNabb would be the best QB the Raiders franchise has ever had. Really? Were the Snake and Plunkett a little before your time? I’m not sure he’s that much better, if any, than Gannon in his brief tenure with the team in Gruden’s offense. Rich was pretty damn good.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
M
You have to respect Frye and Grads for the work they puit in and the effort. But watching those two play does not inspire thoughts of playoff wins and competitive teams that will go anywhere. They just ran the offense more efficiently so the fans got all excited. Especially after watching Russell struggle the way he did. I think Russell is 24 years old right now which is about when most QB start to get it. The problem with Russell is the money he makes and the promise he was supposed to deliver. As of yet he hasn’t, but that doesn’t mean he wont.
My guess or assesment of where he is right now is about 60% of where he needs to be to be great. His mechanics were Horrible, attitude at times even worse. He has been very immature and hasn’t taken advantage of direction. But all that is in the past right now he has been a model of what you would want from your QB and that has been the case since he was benched last year. It hasn’t paid dividends because he still has a long way to go.
One of the best things the organization did IMO for him was to keep Hackett so that he’s getting the same message in terms of mechanics. His conditioning is key to executing those mechanics throughout a tough contest. As time goes by with thousands of reps those mechanics will become natural. You will see over the next few years he will develope into one of the top performers at that position. Develping a QB is harder than anything else but once you’ve done it you have a McNabb or better.
I remember when Hackett worked with Carson Palmer at USC his foundation as a QB was built by Hackett. Hackett is a master teacher but an below average coach. Carson Palmer was drafted #1 overall had a great senior year once he got a real coach. It takes roughly 2-3 years for a QB to develope those skills because they are unnatural to most humans but a must to be a consistent accurate passer. No one does it better than Drew Brees he is a textbook passer.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
4eve,wha are you talking about? Who said they are interested in Sage?
March 28th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
The organization is “HAPPY” with Russells progress?? What progress???
What kind of dillusional idiot would say the organization is happy with Jamarcus Russell? Unreal
March 28th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Let me say it now. There is no other elite QB available in this league to be traded for except Mcnabb. If we need to overpay to get him, then do it. You don’t find experience all star QBs available in a trade. Last year Cutler was available and many teams fought for him, the bears won by overpaying for him. This year Mcnabb is available and I would hate to see him go to any other team then the Raiders. Most teams have the future QBs set for life, like Mannings, Brady, Rogers, Flacco, Ryan, Sanchez, the list goes on. With the exception of the Raiders, Bills, 49ers, Browns, Rams and maybe the Jaguars (they need a new QB to sell season tickets), all other QB are set. Mcnabb is like one in a million, I would give up our 8th overall pick and third to get Mcnabb and their 24th overall pick and their 5th round pick. Get him AL, it would lead us to the playoffs.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Buckeyraider,
Ok, point taken. Winning a S.B matters! But look at it this way, McNabb would have the best credentials of any QB prior to starting with the Raiders. Meaning McNabb’s pedigree was superior to that of Plunkett, Snake and GAnnon prior to them arriving in Oakland.
Regardless, let’s not get lost in history here. McNabb is a 1000% the QB as JaDavis, the Gym-Rat or Sage Rosenfelds.
If we want a real offense, that scores points, we need a real QB. Not some fiery 3x cut Gym-Rat with a good attitude or some 3rd string QB playing behind Tavaris Jackson.
Come on Nation! Its about winning football games!
March 28th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Priesttj
Here read this bro.
Report: Raiders interested in Rosenfels
Posted by Mike Florio on March 28, 2010 12:38 PM ET
The bad news for the Raiders is that the roster still features 290 pounds of JaMarcus Russell at quarterback. The good news is that Bruce Gradkowski might not be the only alternative.
Apart from Donovan McNabb, the Raiders also reportedly are sniffing around Sage Rosenfels of the Vikings.
Per Mike Lombardi of NFP, the Raiders and Vikings are “discussing the availability” of Rosenfels, a veteran backup who arrived via trade last year to push (or leapfrog) Minnesota’s own failed first-day draft pick, Tarvaris Jackson.
Enter Brett Favre. In the aftermath of the arrival of No. 4, Jackson stepped up — and Rosenfels ended up being the No. 3 man on the depth chart.
But the Vikings surely can’t move Rosenfels unless/until they know that Favre will be back. Then again, trading Rosenfels likely would confirm the widely-held belief that Favre will be returning, but that he won’t make it official until August, thereby ducking the offseason grind and training camp.
Still, the Vikings need to consider the future. The jury is still out on Jackson, and thus the Vikings might need Sage for 2011.
Bottom line? V.P. of player personnel Rick Spielman championed the acquisition of Rosenfels, and we can’t imagine Spielman letting Rosenfels go until he has had a chance to show what he can do — unless, that is, the Raiders decide to overpay.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/28/report-raiders-interested-in-rosenfels/
March 28th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Jamarcus Russell wont even start this year. Gradkowski barring injury will be the starter from day 1. The fact that Russell cant even beat that bum out is pathetic. Jamarcus Russell is done. Period. He will NEVER start in the NFL again.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Priesttj
I hope you read it and then answer my earlier post bro cause it doesnt make any sense to me between what you saying about JR and all the indications that the Raiders are interested in a new starting QB. Here is the question i asked you earlier.
Raiders4eve Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
Priesttj
Wassup man, you said that the organization is happy JR’s progress and what hes doing, if so, why go after a bum backup QB like Sage Rosenfels? Logically, if a team is trying to upgrade a certain position, it can only mean that they don’t like the personnel they got in that position, am i right? If so, why you think the organization is happy about JR, it doesn’t seem to make sense!!!
March 28th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
If the Gym-Rat is the best Davis can do….then that pretty much puts an exclamation point on the last 7 years of this utter madness.
Gradkowski is a magic man. Goes from fringe NFL backup to NFL starter based on 2 games. Give me an freekn break.
No to Gradkowski, and no to JaDavis. Get McNabb…he’s on the market.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
You are not paying a 1st round pick $9Million to be an understudy in his 4th year.
JaDavis will have to restructure like Alex Smith did and hope for another opportunity. Especially in this no cap year.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
M
Oh, I see another report by Florio. Who knows man all I know is everything I’ve heard from anyone over there about Russell has been good. I’m not privy to everything that goes on n a dailey basis I got my own life.
IMO Sage is someone who could offer more support for Russell than these other two jokers. It’s the same reason they brought Garcia in last yearand everybody overeacted saying they brought him to start and they never did. The aggreement they had with Garcia was to mentor Russell. Maybe either Frye or Gradkowski are souring on their role.
If what I’m hearing is true Russell is the odds on favorite to win that job. That could be getting to either Frye or Grads. Only time will tell.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
If the Gym-Rat is not happy with his “role” let him ply his trade somewhere else….LOL
JaDavis? A big-time disappointment. Has to learn the basics of putting in work and staying in shape.. Not what a 1st overall pick QB should be all about…maybe 4th or 5th round
Same with DHB, undeclassman, limited production, problems with his hands…yet we make him a top 10 pick
Al Davis has to STOP drafting these guys that need a LOT of help in the top 10.
That’s why the lower round picks do better. Their contract and draft status don’t FORCE them into the lineup and they naturally work harder because they haven’t been paid yet.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
nobody expected the raiders to draft DHB so expect more of the same ,this years unexpected move will be a contract extension for jamarcus russell.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
574 and 575…
you can believe that I have an in or not.
let me know though…does the svelte mechanically sound jruss inspire the raiders to be looking at qbs so closely…
March 28th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
SnB,
Let me help with the facts of life in the NFl instead of the dreamworld you seem to live in. Every draft pick from 1 overall to 250 overall need to develope. There is no magic potion or instant freezedried product st this level. They all every single one of them need development. It is a very rare occurance when a player comes into the NFL and plays at a level commensorate with the top talent in the NFL.
Deion Sanders got torched his rookie year, Jerry Rice looked lost his rookie year. Peyton Manning threw 4 picsix’s his rookie year and a total of 24 int’s.
This is the NFL man there are no free lunch’s and experience comes at a very expensive price. Veteran’s feast on rookies and inexperienced players.
And it doesn’t make any difference who drafted them Al Davis or Scott Pioli or Bill Polian they all screw it up and sometimes get it right. Hell Ray Lewis struggled in coverage and calling defenses his rookie year. It’s no different than anything else in life an experienced garbage man is going to do a better job than a newby…………period
March 28th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Except for the DHB pick, no one was shocked when the raiders got jruss or dmac, or huff…I think the last big reach the made was the asumugha / tyler brayton picks. First rounders are hard to get right. What is impressive is save for seymor, isn’t the defense ALL raider picks now that warren and ellis are gone?
March 28th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Zach Miller = 66 rec 805 yds 3TDs
Louis Murphy = 34 rec 521 yds 4TDs
Chaz Schilens = 29 rec 365 yds 2TDs
Darren McFadden = 21 rec 245 yds
Johnnie Lee Higgins = 19 rec 263
Justin Fargas = 17 rec 113yds
Michael Bush = 17 rec 105 yds
Gary Russell = 12 rec 96 yds
Tony Stewart = 10 rec 78 yds
DARIUS HEYWARD-BEY = 9 REC 124YDS 1td
Note: Todd Watkins had 8 receptions and Luke Lawton had 7 receptions
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Priesttj,
I am not expecting DHB to have 85 rec for 1500 and 9tds in his 1st season.
But 9 catches? 9!
Look, I don’t think players with as many question marks that DHB had, and we all knew them before the draft, should be taken in the top 10.
Top 10 picks are supposed to be further along than that.
DHB was a 2nd round pick….and the issues reared their ugly head all year last year.
I hope he turns it around…I would have expected a Louis Murphy type season from DHB….not be the worst rookie receiver in the NFL for 2009
March 28th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Peyton threw a lot of picks..
Unfortuantely our #1 can get past 3rd string in his 3rd year.
Something is broken. All these top picks sucking wind. Not a one of them, except Nnamdi, has been considered anything more than average at best.
These reaches and busts are killing the franchise Priest!
March 28th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
What if the raiders picked murphy in the first round? Who cares where they are picked as long as they produce. The first round if for Davis’ rather be right then consistent philosophy lies. He things DHB is going to be something. A la terry MCDaniel, Howie, bo, namdi, etc.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
DHANI JONES DOES THOSE FEBREZE COMMERCIAL ‘DOES IT SMELL ANYMORE” LETS HAVE HIM SMELL JAMARCUS
March 28th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Priesttj,
Here’s what you just said in post 581:
“Norco Bob came in here and reported Russell was an alcoholic and that he was in treatment instead of down there working out and everybody bought it even me to certain extent.”
Apparently you don’t remember what really happened when Bob was talking about that, because the statement from you there is a flat-out LIE.
When Bob was talking about JR’s alleged Alcohol/Cough Syrup addiction, you didn’t buy into it… you one-upped it. Not only did you go along with it, but you said that you had HAD SOMEONE FOLLOWING RUSSELL FOR YOU AND BRINGING BACK REPORTS FOR WEEKS AND THAT WHEN THEY STARTED TELLING YOU ABOUT HIS ADDICTIONS, YOU TOLD THEM TO STOP AND WERE DONE WITH IT. You even went so far as to say that you paid that person to do it for you as if that was his job assignment and you were their “boss.”
Remember that? Of course you’ll say that you don’t… because you’re a liar. Go ahead and deny it for me… please. I’d be more than glad to go to the archives and prove it if you want to try to act like that’s NOT what you said.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Chaos,lets be real here,post 594,you imply DM has a better ability as QB goin than Snake or Plunk? PLEASE!!!! Snake,in my opinion,the best with the chips on the line, two minute drill,etc.And Plunk,1st round pick,got buried in NE(like JRuss),then the Niners,and finally the RAIDERS,two Rings and should be in the Hall as well as Flores. Fellas, been a long day,if wrong with info above,please advise and correct,out
March 28th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
if the rosenfels rumor is true we should assume that the raiders feel they can do better than grads and frye also. alot of u fail to remember that cable said better qb play would have us in the playoffs and he said that they would look to bring other guys in to compete for the job. yall dont want to admit it but the raiders feel they could do better than those 2. why dont they just give the job to grads since he is so special like yall think? they said all of this during the year but so many of u only paid attention to russell. so your golden boy grads might not even make the team if we add more qbs to the competition. the fact we are looking into mcnabb says as much about frye/grads as it does russell. none of u grad lovers want to admit that.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
To clarify, you didn’t just “buy into” what Bob said, you said that it was old news and that you had known about it for a while. You said that your guy who followed JaMarcus for you had told you about it and that Bob wasn’t breaking any news, that it was something that you’d known about for a while.
Only later did Bob admit that he made it all up and was just goofing around. Sadly, you used it to prove that you’re a liar by going along with it and saying that you already knew about it. LMFAO!
March 28th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Armond. It says everything about russell, the first pick that was supposed to lead the team for ten years.
March 28th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Same ole same ole, lol …
Wassup Armond!
March 28th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Mike Lombardo is HILARIOUS!
He floats a Sage Rosenfel rumor to keep his failing blog alive and it gets legs?
Are you really telling me you believe Lombardo has sources in Alameda?
LMFAO!
March 28th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Who cares about sage rosenfelds. davis is not goimg to go for a qb like that. if there is a new QB in Oakland for 2010 it will be McNabb or Losman
March 28th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
and nor should DAvis go for a QB like Rosenfelds.
Its enough of a problem that there is all this hype over a 2 game Gym-Rat
March 28th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
good evening RAIDER NATION!!!!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Gradkowski has more upside than a guy named SAGE!!! and thats not saying a whole helluva alot!!!
March 28th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
excuse me…a 2-game gym-rat that was cut 3x in his 4 year career who has a career 53% completion.
Sure we are in a mess with JaDavis.
That’s why McNabb would be an excellent acquisition.
Again folks…not going to win with “JaDAvis and the Gym-Rats”
March 28th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
First it has to be true, then it has to be for a particular reason which only the organization knows. Florio gave his OPINION his opinion is not fact. To get all upset over his opinion is a waste of time.
If the organization says we want to find a starter then we know but they haven’t said word one. So to argue the point is useless, unless that’s what you chose to do.
He said, she said, I said, you said. Boy what a confused mess some people are. Some people want so bad to discredit others and cause confusion they’ll misquote a signpost and stnd there and discuss it with the signpost. Eventhough it’s an inanimate object.
Dude find a hobby, or become a candy stripper at the local hospital. All they do is gossip. It’s what you do best.
March 28th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
how many more wins would mcnabb bring if we can bring in a lil oline help… say sign a bobbi williams from cinci, a kev mawae or a chester pitts — all on the market…
March 28th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Candy striper sorry, or maybe that was a Freudian slip (spelling ?)
March 28th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
RaiderBeat.com Staff Report RAIDERS INTERESTED IN QB ROSENFELS T.O. TO RAIDERS RUMOR FINALLY SURFACES
March 28th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
priesttj Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Norco Bob came in here and reported Russell was an alcoholic and that he was in treatment instead of down there working out and everybody bought it even me to certain extent.
RICHOCHET: you “bought it to a certain extent”?? LIAR. YOU POSTED THAT YOU KNEW ALL ABOUT IT. You posted that YOU ACTUALLY HAD SOMEONE FOLLOWING JR FOR OVER TWO WEEKS, and that they were “reporting” to you what he was doing.
Thing about LIARS is they usually get caught in their own lies, sooner or later, right, LIAR?
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I go to the HQ all the time I don’t know what Russell weighs and neither do they. Because they didn’t weigh him and he’slosing weight all the time. Due to the training he’s getting.
RICHOCHET: isn’t this another lie, TJ? You’ve been challenged many times to explain what reason you would have to go to “HQ many times”.
Facts are you don’t go. Facts are IF you had a valid reason, the radio hosts wouldn’t laugh at you as they do. Facts are you make up this crap as you go along.
I mean, where do the lies start, and stop?
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They lied about him being in AZ because they didn’t want the fans to change their attitudes and they lied about the Vegas thing. Now this is just another attempt by those that don’t like the kid. I know this only that the organization is happy with his progress and what he’s doing.
RICHOCHET: Again, you’re a lying ass dog, TJ. First you state the team has NO idea on what JR weighs, but they you state they’re happy with his progress? HOW THE HELL CAN YOU BE HAPPY WITH SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT?
Must be so cool in that little fantasy land of yours, isn’t it, TJ?
March 28th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Just saw 613..and you would be correct, Steve.
Now is when TJ pretends he didn’t see yours, or my post, because ignorance is bliss, and denial goes along with temporary blindness.
March 28th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
I know it’s very difficult for you guy’s to do because of all the negative reports and enuendos and such but all things will come to light in a few weeks. Just as they did about Russell’s stay in AZ.
I’m not at all saying don’t discuss it, I’m just saying don’t allw these guy’s to get you out of sorts until they have facts. What they tell you’re are just possibilities nothing more. The possibilties are in the thousands, do you really want to react to all that crap? I had people telling me stuff about Russell every week, disturbing things that would make you hate the kid. The prblem was I knew people who knew him intimately also his uncle. A sports writer who’s covered the Raiders for years that I cannot name. He knew his uncle very well they played golf all the time and spent a lot of time together and I would talk to that writer, whom is a very good friend of mine. So even though I would hear these wild stories I knew some of them were just guy’s wanting to be in the know.
March 28th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Ricochet,
I have something here that I’d like you to read that I wrote to TJ a few threads ago. I’m quite flattered that Random Drug Tester reposted it and now I’m going to do the same, because TJ deserves having it thrown into his face yet again.
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230 on the “Report: Raiders inquire about trading for Eagles QB McNabb” thread.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist punk.
March 28th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
When anyone said that they hoped Hue Jackson’s arrival would help JR to develop and “get it” because HJ is black and is a younger coach, TJ SCREAMED racism. He went off relentlessly at anyone who even came close to implying that a black coach in his 30s might be able to better help JR because of identifying with him based on age and race. TJ played the race card hard and fast on that one, calling everyone a bigot.
Yet now… he thinks that JR might “get it” and be helped with his development because he will identify with McNabb… because of RACE. TJ admitted that it was because of being a black QB that he said that. I hate hypocrites… therefor, I hate TJ. I hate liars… therefor, I have another reason to hate TJ. The list goes on…
March 28th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Yeah, I had read that, and you’re right on the money.
Funny how TJ rushes to tell everyone don’t believe everyone else…JUST BELIEVE HIM.
To ignore all of the comments…JUST BELIEVE HIS COMMENTS.
TJ is a proven liar.
What is it now? Up to a dozen? More? of players who TJ HAS STATED HE KNOWS THEIR FREAKING UNCLE OR COUSIN PERSONALLY?
lol..these players families DON’T LIVE OUT HERE, yet..oddly…he just happens to ‘KNOW THEM PERSONALLY”??
You’re a lying crock, TJ.
You know it.
I know it.
Steve knows it….hell….everyone knows it.
You fool no one, old man.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Someone made a comment that was completely backasswards…something on the line of “It’s ridiculous for a white person to accuse a black person of being racist.”..was posted in the last few days…something to that effect.
Ignorant comment, if that was the intent.
The two biggest racists on this board are TJ and Kelli, and both are black.
Coincidence? Or just that judging someone by the color of their skin isn’t just reserved for certain races, and that some even use it as a scapegoat for their own situation, which is what TJ and Kelli both do.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Back to the draft:
The largest whole stills seems to be stopping the run. This points to McClain. The Raiders seem to always draft directly to their needs so the question is “What is the largest need?”. I say stopping the run. Protecting the QB is also a reasonable answer, but I don’t think it is the largest need.
BAN THE TROLLS!
March 28th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Don’t you just love it that the moment TJ is called out for being a liar, he tucks tail, and immediately rushes off to hide?
Yes, TJ, will be LMFAO knowing you’re going to be peeking in, to see when it’s safe to come back and spew your ignorant crap, so cross posting Debo can say ‘oh, I agree’.
Kind of like Mutt and Jeff
March 28th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Mr. O’Shea,
In case you’ve missed it, ever since JR reported last week, TJ has been saying that he’s been talking directly TO the players. He’s said almost every day that he “went to HQ today” and “talked to some players.” Then, he’ll say that (x) said (y) about JR as if it was something that was said directly to him. The funny thing is that TJ hasn’t said one single thing that wasn’t said publicly… something that could be found anywhere.
If he were really having all these intimate, personal, one-on-one talks with players, coaches, and personnel, you’d think he would have something to share other than “The organization is pleased with the progress that JaMarcus has made so far. Everyone that I’ve talked to at HQ says that he’s doing everything that’s been asked of him and his loss of weight is noticeable.”
Well… no DUH, TJ… we’ve all seen, heard, and read those statements. Saying that you were told that in person only gets you credibility with retards who don’t know that you got the info from the same place that we did… and then pretended that you got it in person during a conversation (read: LIED about it to impress people on a blog).
March 28th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Goody gum drops, BadMood…congrats on posting the EXACT SAME POST regarding stopping the run, that has been posted already 3,999 times.
Mahvelous….just mahvelous
March 28th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
WE NEED TO START THE RUN BY DRAFTING CJ SPILLER THE DEFENSE WOULD NOT BE ON THE FIELD AS MUCH IF WE CONTROLLED THE GAME AND TIME OF POSSESION
March 28th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
I said it, and I really didn’t expect you to agree.
Especially in the context of this board. The whole back and forth thing about TJ and Kell being racist is RIDICULOUS!
9 times out of 10 it usually starts with some dumbass comment about Russell that most black people would find offensive. Just because everyone doesn’t chime in doesn’t mean it’s not offensive.
Steve in particular man is HILARIOUS. Chris Rock says certain things about blacks, so it’s ok for him to say it? Yeah, only behind a keyboard, lol.
Anyway, what’s the point man? Why all these social issues, and personal this’s and that?
Who fuggin cares?!?!?!?
March 28th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
BadMoodGuy,
I believe that Stopping the Run is in the top two of “needs.” The other is Offensive Line, both in terms of protecting the QB AND in opening holes for backs. My issue is this: We need a DT more than MLB. Stopping the run doesn’t start at MLB, it starts on the Defensive Line. Yes, we need a new MLB, but we need OL and DL even MORE.
MLB is at least third on our needs list. Drafting McClain pushes the level of available talent for the lines down by one round per pick. We cannot afford to do that. I say we go DT/OT in the 1st. If Spikes is there in the 2nd, we take him, but if he’s gone, we keep taking OL and DL until at least the 5th. That’s MY opinion.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Anyone hear who actually takes what Priest or any other blogger on here says as gospel, please raise you hand!
March 28th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Rich,
You “read between the lines” and had me down for Pierre Paul or Iupati, lol.
I think Al is going to draft an OT but I can’t say who because the top 4 guys could be gone by the time we pick.
I actually don’t think he is going to draft the stereotypical Al Davis workout warrior at 8.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
SPIKES WIL BE THERE IN THE SECOND ,THE THIRD , AND PROBABLY THE FOURTH HIS STOCK FELL AT THE COMBINE
March 28th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
Jhill,
You really need to meet some of my friends. Anything that I say online is something that I’d say in person. I don’t care what Chris Rock says, I speak MY mind. What exactly have I said that was hilarious or offensive?
How was it racist for me to say that I hoped JR could identify with Hue because they were both black men in positions that were historically and predominantly held by whites… yet for TJ to say the same thing is not offensive? You’re just as full of s-h-i-t as TJ and are just trying to divert attention away from what was actually said by distracting it to something completely different.
It’s not offensive to say what I said about Hue. TJ wanted to ignore the valid point because he couldn’t win an argument against it, so he pulled out the “You just say that because you’re a racist” card to try to “win.” It’s sad… and so is he. Are you telling me that you believe TJ’s claims that he goes to HQ several days a week and has intimate talks with players, coaches, scouts, and front-office personnel?
March 28th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Yeah, Steve, TJ has a firm grasp of the obvious.
TJ: “I’ve WATCHED THESE GUYS PLAY.”
Called TV, lol…and we’ve all seen it…
March 28th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
My issue is this: We need a DT more than MLB. Stopping the run doesn’t start at MLB, it starts on the Defensive Line.
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So is it Cody or Williams at 8 to play DT?
Price maybe?
March 28th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Here we go …
When did I say anything about your comments about Hue Jackson and JR?
Did you not have some back and forth with someone a week or so ago about black hair, and did you not reference Chris Rock?
I could care less about your back and forth with TJ man. REALLY!
Only thing I was commenting on was your shoving it in all of our faces being posted 20 times that night, again the next morning, a few more times later, again today, etc, etc. That is RIDICULOUS shyt man.
What ever you say, you win from here on out. It’s a pointless argument. White folks will NEVER be able to understand racism from a black person’s point of view so for you to judge what is and isn’t offensive in my eyes is something you just have ZERO experience with. You know, like me not knowing a locker room because I didn’t play team sports past HS, lol.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Who the heck knows what we are going to do in the draft?!?
I think we need to see how the Morrison and Howard situations play out and see if we can trade them or get a draft pick.
Can you imagine us actually getting another 2nd for Howard and another 3rd for Morrison?
Talk about Xmas!
March 28th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Jhill,
Now I see why you mentioned Chris Rock. TJ made some stupid comment and I told him that his cornrows were too tight if he thought that. He said that it was racist of me to say cornows and I asked how it was racist to say what I did. The only hairstyle that black people have that would be too tight is cornrows, so it wasn’t racist… just a way of tying the “your ponytail is too tight” expression to black people. Then I told him that I had watched “Good Hair” by Chris Rock, so I know what I’m talking about in terms of the hair. I never quoted Chris Rock or used any racial comments from him or anyone else, I just referenced the movie in terms of its topic: HAIR.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Jhill,
I didn’t mean to post it so many times that night, it was a glitch in the blog’s posting system. If you go back and look, you’ll see that there were several posts that night (all from the same time) that got posted 3-10 times. I have reposted it twice and someone else reposted it, too.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Steve,
Really, you have some good football takes. I’d rather talk about that than the “BS”.
I apologize for even talking about what you and Priest have going on. Feel free to carry on with that stuff and I’ll just skip it. I’ll assume it is completely non football related and just move past it.
Can we please drop this and just move on?
March 28th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Jhill,
I’m sorry if you disagree, but I wholeheartedly feel that there is no way that you can fully understand a team dynamic between adults at a high level of competition if you’ve never been a part of a team dynamic at a high level of competition. Your bowling league doesn’t count and is NOT analogous to an NFL lockerroom. I’m sorry if you want to believe that you can “get” what goes on there and how the players feel and think, but you just can’t.
I may never be able to see exactly what it’s like to experience racism as a black man, but I grew up in the south farm-country in the mountains, not big cities like Atlanta) and have been called “ni##er-lover” more times than I could try to count. I lost my virginity to a black girl and got death-threats for dating/being friends with “the coloreds.” I’m not claiming to fully understand, but I’m also not in the dark and saying racism doesn’t exist. I know fully well that it does. I also know that TJ uses it as an excuse and says that it’s a reason for things that it isn’t. When TJ is losing an argument, he says that what you said is racially motivated, that way he doesn’t have to dispute what you said and can claim that he “won” because what you said isn’t valid. Racism exists, but TJ is full of crap.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
TEAMS HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT SAM BRAFFORDS SHOULDER IF HE FALLS TO 8TH DO WE PICK HIM UP?
March 28th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
IS THIS A TEA PARTY WEBSITE
March 28th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Fat Kidd,
I’d rather have the discussion that just went down than suffer through the five hours of retarded political discussion that seems to pop up every couple of days.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Steve,
The locker room argument is not that complicated. I don’t care what you say, if Russell comes out and completes passes and win games, he’ll have the locker room back.
Now if you want to stretch that statement into me saying that he can do whatever he wants off the field, show up, and just toss a couple of passes, then I’d say you right up there with some of the other posters and there “reading between the lines” skills.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
That having been said, I made a football-related comment to you the last time I addressed you, Fat Kidd. You did not reply to it. I was hoping to discuss it with you, but you went right on along as if it hadn’t been said. Why complain about the type of comments that you DON’T like if you’re going to ignore the ones that are on the topic that you claim to WANT to discuss?
March 28th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
SARAH Palin Pushing for McCain
March 28th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Jhill,
I never said that JR wouldn’t have the lockerroom if he did his job well on the field. I said that it was obvious from the way we saw other players interact with him last season and from their comments that he did NOT have the lockerroom at that time. The demeanor and words of his teammates proved (to anyone who has experienced that dynamic) that his teammates didn’t believe in him and wanted someone else to take the reigns. My comments toward you on that topic were in relation to you saying that there was no way to know if he had the lockerroom on his side. That is all. If JR goes down the path that I sincerely HOPE he does… and finds a way to do all the things that he needs to do to fulfill his potential and become an elite NFL QB… while STILL a Raider, then he most certainly WILL have the lockerroom on his side. He just needs to step up and show his teammates a reason to believe in him and support him in order to do it.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Does anyone else get the feeling that if Steve had really “lost his virginity” to a black girl, he would have brought that up FIRST when trying to make his case that he’s not a racist?
March 28th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
One of the organizers of Saturday’s Tea Party rally strongly condemned the racial slurs yelled by some protesters at black lawmakers.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/21/tea-party-leader-... – Similar
March 28th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Steve, again, you’re talking about race more than anyone. Especially with that recent lecture.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
RMR,
Once again, there you go making an argument over things that were never said. When did I ever say that I’m not a racist?
I said that TJ is a racist, I never said one thing about me being prejudiced or not.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
wassup jhill!!! in light of the race rhetoric i had to take a break and do what us black folk do which was to eat some chicken. dont trip tho, it wasnt fried!!! also stevie i take offense to cornrows being the only hairstyle that can be too tight for us. some of us do have them finger poppin waves also.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
My comments toward you on that topic were in relation to you saying that there was no way to know if he had the lockerroom on his side. That is all.
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I think I was discussing this with someone else, and you chimed in talking about answer his question instead of just posting LMFAO.
The point was and still is that is all about what RUSSELL does on the field, not if you were a semi pro athlete, or if I was an all world bowler, lol. None if that has ANYTHING to do with Chaz and Russell hooking up dispite Chaz’s obvious disgust for Russell. Didn’t impact their play on the field one bit.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
He didn’t “strongly condemn” anything, Fat Kidd. He just tried to distance himself from it. To strongly condemn something is to confront it on every level. I’d say that most black people “strongly condemn” the behavior of these racist tea sippers, if you need an example of what a strong condemnation really is.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
I never said that it affected their play on the field, I said that his teammates wanted someone else on the field at QB because they didn’t support him and believe in him. I never said that they stopped trying when he was out there. Others may have said that, but I didn’t.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
LOL Armond …
Not to mention my curls being to tight, or my tight ass fade.
Ahhh, we can save the education for another blog.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Steve, I didn’t say you were or weren’t anything. Just find it funny that in making whatever case you were trying to make regarding race relations, that you didn’t mention losing your virginity to a black girl a little sooner. I mean, before that, you were talking about living in the sticks and being called an “N” lover? You’d just have to think the losing the virginity thing would have been mentioned before that.
March 28th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
rhe bottom line on all this nonsense is that its only march and several things can happen between now and training camp. its 1 reason i havent decided who i would like at #8 just yet and why i dont think we should cut anyone.the roster will shape itself out once we get everyone competing on the field so dont worry about these stupid blogs.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Just went over the comments from today. Wow. Alford was in here all day lecturing people on what racism is. Talk about people who need to get beyond the race thing…sheesh.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
I never said that it affected their play on the field
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The discussion that you “jumped in” was about that exact thing.
I know you focused on the locker room point of the conversation, but that was just a response from someone who flaming.
THE point was SO WHAT if Chaz doesn’t like Russell. Sure couldn’t tell when he caught that TD in Denver, or the 5 passes in the Baltimore game.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
RMR,
Why would I mention it sooner? I was called a “ni##er lover” far earlier in life than when I lost my virginity. I was a late bloomer and didn’t even lose my virginity until I was 19 and had moved away from here and had already experienced the racism for years. When I moved back and my friends found out, I lost a few friends, though. You never know how closed-minded or prejudiced some people are until they find out something they didn’t expect. A few of my friends who had black friends themselves and that I never thought had a racist bone in their bodies somehow found it unacceptable that I had had sex with a black chick.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Wow. Like every 5th comment today is a long winded diatribe about race from SteveAlford. Who is this guy? Some kind of race relations professor? My god does he like to talk about this stuff.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Okay, RMR… now I know that you’re just messin with me again and trying to troll me for kicks… because I haven’t been in here all day. I’ve only been posting for a couple of hours at most. Good try and nice work, though… you had me going.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
jhill Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
LOL Armond …
Not to mention my curls being to tight, or my tight ass fade.
Ahhh, we can save the education for another blog.
u mean for like the judgemental a.m. crew? u know cuz they are WAY MORE reasonable than us scummy p.m.ers haha!!
March 28th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
My first comment of the day was barely over two hours ago and it was about TJ being caught in a lie about how he paid someone to follow JaMarcus around. Race had nothing to do with it.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Steve, it’s cool. I’m not accusing you of lying or anything. Just saying it’s funny you didn’t mention that at first. Losing your virginity to a black girl, assuming you’re white, is a huge factor if you’re trying to make the case that you know more about race than the average person. Unless she was a hooker who just happened to be black or something. But if your first girlfriend, that you rounded 3rd base with, was black, you’ve definitely got some experience under your belt in interaction with other races. It just seems like something that someone would bring up first. You kind of had it buried in there.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Except for how TJ had to let his mind RACE to think of an excuse or a way out of it.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Alright, Steve. I really didn’t read the time stamps. Just scrolled up and looked at the comments, and it seems like you’ve been talking about race A LOT today.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
It’s all about what Russell does from here, if he lives up to his enormous potential people will forget they ever felt this way about him.
Some will never accept him no matter what they’ll say he had great players and everything else. But most will forgive and forget.
The draft IMO is up in air as to what they actually wanmt at this point. But we should get a great player as I was saying yesterday if DezBryant is there and they take him I wouldn’t be disappointed at all. Come back get Charles Brown in the 2nd. There will be quality as late as the 5th rnd in this draft.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
Priest, that kind of goes for everyone, no? Take any struggling player on the Chiefs, Chargers, Niners, USC (LANE KIFFIN’S USC…), or any other team you hate, and there’s plenty of potential for improvement, right? And if they do improve, their critics will forget the bad things they said about them, right? That applies to everyone, not just Russell.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
RMR,
Actually, it wasn’t my first gf, just the first girl with whom I had sex. I was in the Army at the time (late bloomer and didn’t lose virginity til I was 19). She was a hot black chick who hung out at a place called The Coffee Scene in Fayetteville, N.C. (near where I was stationed at Fort Bragg) and we hit it off really quickly. I flirted very hard, but had no clue how to get it to the next level due to shyness and lack of experience when it came to sex. If she hadn’t been the one who initiated things, who knows how long it would’ve been before I lost it. Either way, it’s not a story that I feel is anyone’s business, so I usually don’t just bring it up out of the blue. I felt that I was being called out tonight, so I told. You further questioned me on it, so I gave more detail. Really, it’s a non-story.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Well, steve, that’s kind of what I meant. The first girl you’ve had sex with. If you want to call the girls you held hands with before that “girlfriends”, be my guest. Anything to beef up the numbers, right? lol.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Steve, interesting story. It just seems like something you’d bring up a little sooner when making whatever case it was you were trying to make earlier. It’s a big deal.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
where the fukk is the football talk? i have no problem with dez bryant being the pick if the top 3 olineman or dlineman are gone. players at the top of my list graham bryant t.williams morgan mcclain d.williams to name a few. these r the guys i feel will be available and not the top 5 tho dbraynt is a top 5 player.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
LOL. He asks where’s the football talk, then starts talking about the Raiders….
March 28th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
I have to say that Dez Bryant would be a disappointment. I know he would probably be the best WR we have on the roster but what a shame that Chaz, Murphy, and DHB aren’t enough.
We NEED to get some blue chip talent on that Oline!
March 28th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
And yes, I’m white… or at least as white as someone of nearly full Irish descent can be thought of in the south. Keep in mind that when the flood of Irish immigrants happened after the Civil War, we were called “the new ni##ers” because we earned less than slave wages and did all the crap jobs that no one wanted to do. Places may have advanced since then (like Boston), but as any black man in the south can tell you, that area hasn’t progressed very much since 1865 in terms of racial views. The Irish are still very much thought of as low-class and poor-white-trash as a whole in many parts of the rural south to this day. That is the environment in which I was raised. I think that I know a lot more about persecution based on heritage (not necessarily just skin color) than a LOT of black people who were raised in the city, the north, or anywhere that has a system of thinking that is beyond 1950.
Did you ever learn about the “NINA” signs that businesses all over America posted even into the 20th century? It stands for “No Irish Need Apply.” Segregation in this country wasn’t limited to blacks, they also wanted my people kept separate from the WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants). In the eyes of most of American society, Irish was NOT white and we were treated just as badly as blacks in many places.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Dez Bryant? You guys really think he can play on the Oline?
March 28th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
LOL. OK, Steve, give it a rest, man. Now we’re getting a history lesson on Irish immigrants? Now I agree with Armond. Let’s get back to football. You’re putting us to sleep, Steve. Except for your story about having sex with the black girl. Now that’s an attention grabber. But everything else? Come on, dude. Let it go. You’re not saying anything that everyone doesn’t already know.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
If it’s Oline my guy is T Williams if it’s Dline my guy is probably going to be available much later I like Dan Williams but I’m not crazy about him he’s nothing overly special. I just don’t care for any of the other players that high outside of the obvious ones. That’s why I say DBryant or if Bulaga is there. There are maybe 5 truely great players the rest are just very good out of those T Williams is the best IMO.
I wouldn’t be mad at A Davis either. But if you gave me a shot at D Bryant or A Davis there is no way I take Davis over Bryant. Not me!! I go with greatness everytime.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
let me add best to that as well. he is just as good as spiller if not better.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
RMR,
The reason for not bringing it up sooner was because I generally don’t like to admit that I was so shy about sex all through high school and didn’t lose my virginity until I was 19. I brought it up tonight because it made my point andw I didn’t figure that I’d have to go any further than saying that I lost my virginity to a black girl without explaining how old I was at the time. Then you showed up and pushed the topic and now I’m reminded of why I don’t like bringing it up. I shouldn’t be bothered by it, but I am… that’s VERY late to lose your virginity, but it is what it is. I always make the excuse to myself that if I’d lost it earlier, I probably would have ended up knocking up some country girl and having to support a family in my late teens and would’ve never found a way to get out of the country. It might not have turned out that way, but it’s a fair enough rationalization for me being socially awkward as a teen.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
FUNNIEST GOD DAMMED THING SAID ALL DAY IN HERE, BY FAR!!!!:
priesttj Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
“I wouldn’t be mad at A Davis either.”
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 28th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Alright then, Steve, I guess that explains it. But remember, dude, you’re neck in neck with anyone in here when it comes to yammering on about race. So don’t go pointing fingers when someone else does it.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Jhill,
You’re absolutely right about the need at Oline I’d be the 1st to admit the desparate need there. But do you pass on Jerry Rice to get a guy that might be average. Dez is head and shoulders better than anyone we have he might be better than Calvin Johnson and we get him at #8 do you really pass n that?
March 28th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
rmr stick to talkin al davis bullsh!t. u have nothing to add to this blog than to fukk with people.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
SteveAlford21,
I’m not a steady reader of this blog, but I was just wondering if you did the nasty with that married chick a while back.
10 words or less.
Anyone know if they’ve re-signed Losman?
March 28th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
ROBERT GALLERY ONLY PLAYED SIX GAMES LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF INJURY HE WILL BE BACK AND THE OLINE WILL BE OKAY DAM IT WE NEED PLAY MAKERS!
March 28th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
On to football:
I still want to find a way to trade up and get Suh or McCoy, but if we don’t, then I want Williams (DT) or Iupati/Trent Williams/Pouncy/Bulaga (OLs). Any of those guys SHOULD be available when we pick at #8. I do NOT want to take McClain in the first round, because we need the best OL/DL talent that we can get and shouldn’t wait to get it, even if that means reaching. If Spikes is there @40, I think that we should take him, but if not, then I say to keep picking for the trenches until at least round five.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
# armond Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
rmr stick to talkin al davis bullsh!t. u have nothing to add to this blog than to fukk with people.
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Isn’t that the definition of Internet Troll? See (Richochet).
March 28th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
I didn’t say I would pass on Dez Bryant.
I would be disappointed though. We shouldn’t need Dez. Chaz and Murphy with a sprinkle of DMAC in the slot should be just fine. Not to mention DHB doing ANYTHING on top of all that.
But I do realize that Dez would be the best WR we have. If we can get the extra picks for Morrison and Howard then maybe we do it.
I actually think the bigger need is Spiller. Not sold on Bush at all, and I think DMAC needs to be used like Harvin and Reggie Bush are.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
NorthernD,
I did NOT do the nasty with DeeAnna.
I did with Kailey (also married, but not with the one that I discussed here at that time).
March 28th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Hmmm…
Picture this.
WR – Dez
WR – Schillens
WR – Murphy
WR – DHB
TE – Miller
TE – Myers
QB – McNabb
RB – McFadden
RB – Bush
Pick OL with 2nd rounder if any good ones left.
Not a bad Offense… at least it seems so on paper.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
EMRaiders Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Hmmm…
Picture this.
WR – Dez
WR – Schillens
WR – Murphy
WR – DHB
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And then cut Chokie Lee Higgins? Works for me.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Unless we keep 5 WRs, he would have to go. I personally kinda like the guy, but it’s been his break out year for the past 2 years and nothing has really happened yet. I would give him one more, and see what happens. But if Dez comes in, then it would have to be bye bye for Higgins.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Thanks Steve, I hate not knowing how stories turn out.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
# NorthernD Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
SteveAlford21,
I’m not a steady reader of this blog, but I was just wondering if you did the nasty with that married chick a while back.
10 words or less.
Anyone know if they’ve re-signed Losman?
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yeah, Losman is signed.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
EM,
Here’s my problem with drafting Dez. You said it yourself:
“Pick OL with 2nd rounder if any good ones left.”
If we draft Dez, then we miss the higher OL talents. I refuse to pass up a chance to improve the line to get a skill player. A great line makes average skill players look good. Great skill players, however… do NOT make a below-average line look good. You could bring back Jerry Rice… in his PRIME… and put him behind last year’s Oakland line and he would have horrible numbers. The best receiver in the world is completely useless if we don’t have time for the plays to develop and have the ability to get him the ball. Every top pick that we have MUST be committed to improving the trenches. OT and DT are tied for most important picks to make, then MLB, then MAYBE a corner who can play nickel in man-to-man and then skill positions come AFTER those.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
It should be “so long” for JLH. Unless, of course, he’s a favorite of Al’s. Then he can stay on the roster.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
You know I’ve been trying to remember to say this for weeks now in here and I keep forgetting. When I hear Cable talk it appears to me that he is going to take the same approach to the Oline this year that he has since he’s been here. Getting low rnd picks and making lemonade out lemons. Trying to a dollar out of 15cents. He alluded to this a week ago with this player from an Obscure school. I can see him passing on all these guy’s and getting some kid from NESW Iowa to play OT and OG or the kid from USC Jeff Byers who fits the mold.
I’m telling you I see it, he’s like coach Mudd at Indy who has a bunch of scrapheap players and mlded them into a 1st rate Oline. If you look at Indy’s players on Oline they are all FA and low rnd picks. Bob McKittrick did that crap to for the 49ers as did Alex Gibbs for the Denver Broncos when he was there. They won two SB’s with them.
I know this is going to rub pwoplw wrong but I see it as clear as day if we draft one of the kids high he will be the most athletic of the Olineman. That’s what he looks for.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Armond, that’s an obnoxious thing to say. What authority do you have here to tell someone what they can or can’t talk about? Oh, that’s right, none!
March 28th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
On to football:
…………
Thank god! Those lectures on ethnicity were putting us to sleep.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Career Stats for Chokie Lee Higgins:
2007 16 Games 6 Receptions
2008 16 Games 22 Receptions
2009 15 Games 19 Receptions
Not only are these numbers incredibly disappointing, but he seems to be going backwards not getting better.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
NorthernD,
Dee stayed here with me for three days, but was contrary the whole time. She would flirt her ass off with me right up until we got to “bedtime” and then would be like, “I really don’t want to cheat on my husband… nothing is going to happen with me and you.”
The messed up part is that after I got back from N.C. and she was there with me back up here, she had the nerve to ask me why I didn’t try anything. I was like, “sorry for respecting what you said were your wishes and not trying to get you to violate your principles. I didn’t think that you were being a lying, manipulative whore.”
March 28th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
I completely agree with you. OL and DL are a top priority. I was just playing with the idea. I didn’t mean to make it sound like I was of the opinion of drafting Dez in the first. Just saying it’s an entertaining idea. I sure hope that we draft either OL or DL on the first, depending on which position has the best player available at that time.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
10 words or less…
March 28th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Spiller would not surprise me or disappoint me at all when healthy that kid is so dangerous in openfield. He is everything DMC isn’t, a million moves with tremendous speed and athleticism. I compare him favorably to Marshall Faulk almost the same player. Great football IQ and will make an Oline look better than they are.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
priesttj Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
You know I’ve been trying to remember to say this for weeks now in here and I keep forgetting. When I hear Cable talk it appears to me that he is going to take the same approach to the Oline this year that he has since he’s been here. Getting low rnd picks and making lemonade out lemons. Trying to a dollar out of 15cents. He alluded to this a week ago with this player from an Obscure school. I can see him passing on all these guy’s and getting some kid from NESW Iowa to play OT and OG or the kid from USC Jeff Byers who fits the mold.
I’m telling you I see it, he’s like coach Mudd at Indy who has a bunch of scrapheap players and mlded them into a 1st rate Oline. If you look at Indy’s players on Oline they are all FA and low rnd picks. Bob McKittrick did that crap to for the 49ers as did Alex Gibbs for the Denver Broncos when he was there. They won two SB’s with them.
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That is one of the advantages of the so called Cut Blocking system. You do not need HUGE great athletes who are very difficult to find. You can go with smaller athletic linemen. You are right about that.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
JOHNNIE LEE HIGGINS GOT HIT HARD DURING A PUNT RETURN AND NOW IS GUN SHY ABOUT GETTING HIT
March 28th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
CJ Spiller is going to be an excellent pro player. The Whiners have their eyes on him with one of their lst rounders.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
# fat kidd Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
JOHNNIE LEE HIGGINS GOT HIT HARD DURING A PUNT RETURN AND NOW IS GUN SHY ABOUT GETTING HIT
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Chokie Lee has been gun shy ever since day one in the league.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
NorthernD,
I DID answer the question in ten words or less. I expanded on it later, lol.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Okay, people… I have to run. Good night.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
# fat kidd Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
JOHNNIE LEE HIGGINS GOT HIT HARD DURING A PUNT RETURN AND NOW IS GUN SHY ABOUT GETTING HIT
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Chokie Lee has been gun shy ever since day one in the league.
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That opening day SD hit knocked him back a couple of years.
He basically seem to run the slant route. I guess safeties have been waiting for it since the Buffalo game when he took one 80+ yards
March 28th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
If the Raiders truly started to succeed with a cut blocking system, the rules would be changed overnight. Come on, guys. See the big picture. You know the only reason Shannahan got away with it for all of those years, and, not to mention, the 49ers, is because they’re chums with the league.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Look how fast the NFL started looking into that FG time out thing, when Kiffin pulled it to beat the Browns.
March 28th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
YouTube – Chris Garrett, Ohio U, RB/KR #2 HERES ARE KICK RETURNER WATCH VIDEO
March 28th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
JLH just has way to many lapses in concentration. You keep hoping he eventually gets it but he just never has. He’ll make some great plays then not even finish a route or realize the ball is coming to him. He just doesn’t want to be or know how to be realied upon. DHB IMO will be 3 times the player.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Carson Plamer had his knees blown out by a low tackle…Who cares???
Tom Brady had his knees blown out by a low tackle…Let’s change the rules…
Welcome to the NFL.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
The NFL’s a business first. That’s why I don’t expect the Raiders to win a SB while Al’s alive, anyway. But for christ’s sake, he can get us to the 10 win mark if he just allows some help.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Chokie Lee is gun shy. No doubt. But, you can’t be a receiver in the NFL and be gun shy. In fact, you can’t be a player in the NFL and be gun shy.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
true dat!
March 28th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
i like best better than spiller but this dmac talk has got to stop. we have never made an attempt to feature him in the offense. how can some of u make up sh!t for russell but diss dmac? he needs to be featured enuff for us to see what he can do and even cable is starting to talk him up and not bush. dude is a better athlete than given credit for. that td run against kc and that catch in the endzone against bmore proves it. he almost came in bounds but the way he went up after it was more impressive than any catch ive seen jlh make. layoff dmc yall startin to piss me off!!
March 28th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Shilens came back from injury and had basically as many receptions in the LAST THREE GAMES that Chokie Lee had ALL YEAR. And Chokie Lee’s returns WERE EVEN WORSE. You can’t use injury as an excuse.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
armond Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
i like best better than spiller but this dmac talk has got to stop. we have never made an attempt to feature him in the offense.
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Of course we have! He puts the ball on the ground. The fastest way you are coming out of the came is to cough it up.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
watch dmc gon come out bustin azz this year and im gettin on everybody doubtin him. yeah priest i have the same feeling about cable and this oline stuff. i dont like it 1 bit. if we dont go oline in the 1rst it is very possible we could go dez or de. who do u think it will be if we dont go oline?
March 28th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
# EMRaiders Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Hmmm…
Picture this.
WR – Dez
WR – Schillens
WR – Murphy
WR – DHB
TE – Miller
TE – Myers
QB – McNabb
RB – McFadden
RB – Bush
Pick OL with 2nd rounder if any good ones left.
Not a bad Offense… at least it seems so on paper.
^^^^^^^^^
If the BEST OVERALL PLAYER is on the board like Dez Bryant at #8 and if he tears it up at his pro day workout next week and runs in the 4.4’s which I expect him to do, then old man Al would have to seriously consider drafting him at #8. Then he would replace JLH as the punt returner and he would be in the top 3 on the WR depth chart.
However, if the old man does take Dez, then he would need to remain disciplined and draft OT and DT in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and pick up a MIKE LB in Round 4 or 5.
Problems would occur if the old man deviates and starts picking nickel CB’s, safeties, and FB’s ahead of concentrating on O-Line and D-Line after the round 1 pick of Dez Bryant potentially.
There is plenty of depth at the D-Line and O-Line positions in this years draft.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
The old man needs to be disciplined? Is that what being a Raider fan is all about now? Hoping Al Davis finally gets it one day? I think that’s the difference between the two warring camps of Raider fans. One camp wants Al gone, the other wants him to just start doing the right thing. Then there’s the few interesting specimens who think he’s doing just fine. They should have a reality show.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
armond Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
i like best better than spiller but this dmac talk has got to stop. we have never made an attempt to feature him in the offense.
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Of course we have! He puts the ball on the ground. The fastest way you are coming out of the came is to cough it up.
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no we havent!! gore had the same problems and sf kept giving it to him and now look at him.if thats the case we shouldnt have drafted him. they knew he fumbled but took him anyway. how many games are we gonna give him the ball under 10 times? russell missin wide open targets and he didnt come out right away. how the hell can he get better if he dont play enuff. there were times he would have a good run and not come back in the game for a whole damn quarter it seemed. cables playcallin sucked!!!
March 28th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Dez Bryant is an Anquan Boldin/Andre Johnson type of WR!
March 28th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
I still think we should go with the playmakers we have and go Oline and Dline in the lst three rounds. I think that would go a LONG way towards getting this team back on track. I am OK with Mike Bush. I’m OK with McFumblor. I really like Chaz. I really like Zach. I really like Louis. I think DHB is going to be a solid player. Get some LINEMEN!
March 28th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
The old man needs to be disciplined? Is that what being a Raider fan is all about now? Hoping Al Davis finally gets it one day? I think that’s the difference between the two warring camps of Raider fans. One camp wants Al gone, the other wants him to just start doing the right thing. Then there’s the few interesting specimens who think he’s doing just fine. They should have a reality show.
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Until he hires Scot McCloughan, than thats all we have to hope for…..is the old man to not make retarded lame ass decisions during the draft….but after last years draft….chances are he will make lame decisions again this year!
March 28th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing Pouncey picked with the #8 pick actually. T
March 28th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
if we draft cj spiller we will only have to pass a couple times per game
March 28th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing Pouncey picked with the #8 pick actually. The guy would bring immediate and necessary POWER to the middle of the O-Line!
March 28th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Actually Armond, McFumblor has toted the rock around 100 times per year and coughed it up 3 times his rookie year and 5 times last year. Gore coughed it up around 5 times per year, but had THREE HUNDRED CARRIES. Three times as many! McFumblor takes HIMSELF, out of games by coughing it up.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
# fat kidd Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
if we draft cj spiller we will only have to pass a couple times per game
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Didn’t CJ Spiller run a 4.28 at the combine? That’s insane.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Armond I can only tell you who I would take and that’s T Williams from Oklahoma. My guess Cable feels the same way because he is the most athletic of all the top teir guy’s. I just think he is going to do the same thing he did last year and pick an athlete and grab an Olineman much later. I hoping we can get Spikes like in the 5th.
Best wants to be a Raider because he’s from here he would love that to be ale to play in front of his family and for his favorite team. This dam draft is so freakin’ deep it’s ridiculous, hell Gerhardt may go in the 3rd rnd. Now that IMO is crazy!!
Best is every bit as good as Felix Jones of last year and he may not even go high in the 2nd for a true gamebreaking playmaker. He’s as good as Napoleon Kaufman and bigger. Nap went in the 1st what 14th overall. RIDICULUS!!! WE NEED MORE PICKS!!!
March 28th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Fargas carried the rock twice as much and coughed it half as much as McFumblor. Now you know why Fargas was out there.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
al my way or the highway davis likes speed he makes his picks with a stopwatch
March 28th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
fargas would still be with the team if he passed a physical
March 28th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Just looking back at the Gruden era, they had:
LT-Barry Sims
LG-Steve Wisniewski
C-Barrett Robbins
RG-Mo Collins
RT-Lincoln Kennedy
That’s a pretty damn good starting unit.
Plus back-ups that could have started for a lot of other teams. Forget about the skill positions for now, they need to re-build the O-line.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
yeah we do need more picks and its too bad we cant expect a trade down cuz we can really get some good players. williams is the top oline guy i expect to be there that i would take also. dont know about davis and especially campbell. seymour cable takes dmc out of games. there comes a point where u have to commit to a guy regardless of that. we werent going to win many games and if u are developing the youth all at once then he shouldve played more. i hope that somebody will sign kirk so we can get that 3rd back.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
armond,
How many games or carries would you give to DMac before you took him out?
What if he was picking up first downs? Would you still stick with him?
March 28th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
I don’t know if you guys know this but the Raiders get a higher 3rd rounder because Washington used theirs in the supplemental draft, and we flipped picks with Cleveland, possibly the result of the Wimbley trade. In other words our 3rd rounder is higher.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
if the mcnabb deal falls thru they may still trade Nnamdhi for draft picks then pick joe haden florida with the 8th pick
March 28th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Armond,hows it goin,young fella? Imagine sitting at home or a Sports Bar,draft day,the Oakland Raiders are on the clock,Dez is on the board, gotta take him,period,as TJ would say,yea or nay!In that case,I say yes,take care of the lines thru out the rest of the draft! Gotta think about Mays,ya just know AL does,Raiders!!!
March 28th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
fargas was out there cuz the damn coach had a love affair with him. i understand why fumbling gets u out of the game. i argued that point with brian but it made no sense if we were developing a young team. if we did trade for mcnabb that is more of a reason to trade down cuz now u can maximize that trade by getting more picks. imagine having about 2-3 more picks plus mcnabb. that would be a dream come ture.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
I don’t know if you guys know this but the Raiders get a higher 3rd rounder because Washington used theirs in the supplemental draft, and we flipped picks with Cleveland, possibly the result of the Wimbley trade. In other words our 3rd rounder is higher.
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It’ll probably change again before draft day…
March 28th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
if no team signs fargas he will be back on the raiders roster with a re-structured contract cause al loves him
March 28th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
armond Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
fargas was out there cuz the damn coach had a love affair with him.
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I don’t know that the coach loved Fargas as much as he hated fumbles.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Armond,
actually if DMC would’ve been a little more consistent and stayed healthy it would given this entire offense a huge lift. He is a threat if he stays on the field and we match him up all over the field he is a dangerous weapon.
One of the things that hurt Russell last year was nt haveing that option out of the backfield. These guy’s Russell, DMC, DHB, Chaz, Murphy, Bush as the feature back. Zmiller If they can stay healthy week in week out and gain some rythum on offense they woould develope together.
THe center piece being MBush and DHB to stretch the field s the rest of the guy’s can make akilling underneath. Russell throws that shot to DHB 3-5 times a game and 2 scores makes us a frightening team to defend but they have t stay healthy.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
NorthernD Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
armond,
How many games or carries would you give to DMac before you took him out?
What if he was picking up first downs? Would you still stick with him?
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i dont undestand what u r getting at. if he is getting 1rst downs yeah if he isnt yeah. how many times depends on the flow. its a game by game decision. i know i wouldnt give it to him 3 times in a quarter and say fugg it like cable. id like to see us give it to him like we did against kc when he went off for 164 and a td. thats the kind of effort id like to see us give to him.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
Fargas got carries because he busted his azz during the practices. The guy made the most out of his moderate talent.
He wasn’t good enough to be an NFL starter, but every coach in the league wants a player like that on his team.
As a coach, you hope his enthusiasm and effort spills over to the rest of the team. So you give him some playing time, even though you won’t get the same results on the field.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
dmac with the team three years how many more would you like to give him?
March 28th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
wassup gilbert! oline is a priority but i dont like how cable chooses his lineman. if we pass a top oline prospect with the first pick its a good chance it was cables choice. mays is always mentioned but i really doubt we take him. i know its al but i feel confident about that this time. man dont u wish this draft would hurry up already?
March 28th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
armond Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
NorthernD Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
armond,
How many games or carries would you give to DMac before you took him out?
What if he was picking up first downs? Would you still stick with him?
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i dont undestand what u r getting at. if he is getting 1rst downs yeah if he isnt yeah. how many times depends on the flow. its a game by game decision. i know i wouldnt give it to him 3 times in a quarter and say fugg it like cable. id like to see us give it to him like we did against kc when he went off for 164 and a td. thats the kind of effort id like to see us give to him.
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Typo.
I meant to say if he WASN’T getting first downs.
I wouldn’t mind if they gave him the rock 30 times in a game. Or at least 20+ over the first few games.
Up until now, the guy has had a hard time staying on his feet. Maybe if he gets more carries he’ll relax and start to gain his feet.
If they don’t try, he’ll end up as a bust, and another wasted pick.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
DMAC I THINK THAT SHIP HAS SAILED
March 28th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
RAIDERS BACKFIELD SHOULD BE BUSH,CJ SPILLER,MARION BARBER
March 28th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Are the Raiders really interested in Sage Rosenfels?
March 28th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
nobody expected dmc to get hurt like he has been.guys go thru stages of their carrers like this whether its early or later. hopefully he got his out of the way for awhile. when he is healthy is what concerns me about his lack of use. some guys like bush as the feature back and then there is the dmc crowd im a part of. no need to give up on any of these young guys.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Even if DMac bombs out at RB, I think they’ll give him a shot at WR before they cut him.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
THEY WONT TALK ABOUT SAGE ROSENFELS TILL FAVRE MAKES UP HIS MIND
March 28th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
NorthernD,
I’m oing to give DMC a pass for the injuries he sustained especially the turf toe. But this year he has to show more vision and cutting ability. He has to see the daylight and hit it. And stop running up his linemans asses. Plays are there and he’s not seeing them he has supreme talent but lacks running skills. Bush has 3x’s the running skills as DMC he has great vision and good feet. He is a very skilled runner already, that’s why I have felt that he should be the feature back. And I think he will be. He sees holes before they open. DMC doesn’t see them when they’re WIDEopen. That has to change.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
For his career, Fargas coughed the ball up 10 times in over 820 carries. That’s once every 82 times he carried. In 2009 mcFumblor coughed it up 5 times in a little over 100 carries. That’s once every 20 carries, or over four times as Much! You don’t have to over think this. THAT’S why McFumblor ain’t out there.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
now jlh on the other hand……. have u ever seen a more scary punkazz player? i cannot respect a guy that will take the field scared to make a play. talk all the sh!t about russell but atleast i dont see him give up on plays. his preperation may be horrible and he relies on his natural ability too much but he will try on the field. jlh just quits after getting lit up. its football and u gotta man up or ship out.
March 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
If it’s true, then they must really be ready to move on at QB and not confident with any of the guys on the roster. This could be the beginning of the end for Russell.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
# Try Some Reality Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Are the Raiders really interested in Sage Rosenfels?
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No. But they are interested in getting someone who will push Russell.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Couldn’t agree more about Bush being the lead back. This guy deserves it. But, from Cable’s last comments on the matter, seems he wants DMC to be the guy.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
priesttj,
I’d be happy if he didn’t trip over the twenty yard line.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
seymour we can argue the fargas point til we blue in the face but where the fugg is fargas now? u cant keep holdin guys back while u are a developing team. if we were a superbowl team then i understand that but a team full of youngins need to play PERIOD! why the hell did dhb and murphy keep playin despite droppin all of those passes. hell even watkins got to play over walker.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
push Russell? LOL! The 2 guys here are already pushing Russell. And considering who those 2 guys are, that is sad. Both started over him at the end of last season.
Doesn’t take much to push Russell, I’m afraid. Get a decent QB in here and he’ll be more than pushed.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Armond Davis,Dez is available at #8,take him or not? Even though Gallery is a very good guard,he was taken as a high first,as you know. Im thinking Al will pick best available, regardless of position.Except kickers,unless Jano has a brother! RAIDERS!!
March 28th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
dmc does need to be patient and part of that could be him trying to do too much. he was critical of himself after his rookie year and wanted to do more. then he gets hurt again and i believe he said his turf toe wasnt completely healed.he never had a trippin issue until that buffalo game kiffins dumbazz had him playin in. he was slidin all over the place and then the damn dummy had him play against sd the following week. he hasnt been quite the same since.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
NorthernD,
Now that is down right COLD!! hahahha
But hey i said it befre we drafted him, They need to get him out of the backfield. I’m sorry but and occasional toss sweep is OK or reverse but Marcus Allen he is not. Best would make DMC look bad, I didn’t wnat to say it but it’s true.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
There hasn’t been a lot said about Bush in the news, as compared to JaMarcus. But judging from what Cable has said, I think Bush hasn’t been putting in the effort in practice or training.
I don’t have a specific quote but just from some of the things Cable has said, makes me think that’s why Bush hasn’t nailed down the starting job yet.
He’s put up a better average than the other backs, so there must be a reason he’s not getting more carries.
He’s had his share of fumbles, but I think there’s more to it than that.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
He’s put up a better average than the other backs, so there must be a reason he’s not getting more carries.
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I can answer that one for you. Cable didn’t like that Bush pulled himself out of a series for being winded, I think they ran him 4 or 5 times straight when Bush requested a breather. He’s been in the dog house ever since. I think Cable feels his conditioning is not up to snuff, which you mentioned.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
u take dez unless u feel another position is as talented as him. aint no tellin what davis will do gil. some people think dez will make up for dhb but i dont see it that way. i look at dez as a true #1 wr with dhb being more of a #2. to me dez is to mike irvin as dhb is to alvin harper.dhb would be much better as your explosive downfiled threat with dez as your do it all wr. 2 different styles that compliment each other well.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
NorthernD
Yesterday was yesterday tomorrow is tomorrow. All the stuff that went down last year I’ve already forgotten. I only care about who’sdoing what right now, I want to win and win now. I’m tired of losing so anybody Russell included that’s not doing everything they can to turn it around is on my list………………period
Russell has to show his TEAMATES not me not the media nor anyone outsaide of that organization that it is ON from here on out. That the only thing that matters is winning. Bush has to d the same as well as all the rest of them.
MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!………….period all the past is just that the PAST!!
March 28th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
keep hatin on dmc priest but imma be on u when he lights it up this year!!! just watch bruthaman gon make u eat your words, im callin u out right now. btw, i would take best in a ny minute. we are in agreement about him and gerhardt. to tell u the truth i like the idea of that backfield duo also.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
I THINK THE RAIDERS COULD TAKE JAHVID BEST IN THE 2ND HE STATED HE WOULD LIKE TO PLAY FOR THE RAIDERS
March 28th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
March 28th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
He’s put up a better average than the other backs, so there must be a reason he’s not getting more carries.
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I can answer that one for you. Cable didn’t like that Bush pulled himself out of a series for being winded, I think they ran him 4 or 5 times straight when Bush requested a breather. He’s been in the dog house ever since. I think Cable feels his conditioning is not up to snuff, which you mentioned.
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That makes sense.
But that’s often the case with bigger backs. They seem to get up slower after a tackle and appear winded all the time.
Two years ago, in that season ending game against Tampa, Bush looked like he was going to die on the field, but he kept pounding it.
Being tired and apprearing to be tried are two different things.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
JAMARCUS RUSSELL IN ANY DANGER OF GETTING A FRANCHISE TAG?lol
March 28th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
I agree with you NorthernD but I don’t think Cable sees it that way.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
Armond
I hope more than you do that he does it would make us so much better it’s hard to quantify but he alone could make our offense 7 points pergame better. And I’m not just saying that the difference he makes is HUGE. But he has to be right catching say 50-60 balls and 125 carries and maybe KR’s which would be roughly 200 touch’s I think he scores 10-15 TD’s if he is consistent. I’d like to see him catch 8-10 passes a game for 75 yard average. With 75 yards rushing on 15 carries while Bush gets 100+ yards on 25 carries. Russell throwing 25 passes a game 10-12 to HB’s 5 to TE’s 10-15 to WR’s for 275 yards a game. 150-175 yards rushing avaerage 20+ points a game.
I think that is doable with these guy’s at this point in their careers. If Hue Jackson can do what Cable refused to do which is establish an identity on offense. Usin the same players in the same roles so that they get used to them. And know their roles.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Armond, thanks for playin along as ALs GM,dont have time for the GM debate with others,gotta crash,later.
March 28th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
do think cable will have any influence on who gets drafted?
March 28th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
Fat Kidd
Cable is a de facto coach with no authority, this will be AL draft, u remember Cable last year talk about the Cadillacs lol then AL got the DHB. Now u know!!!
March 28th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
Priesttj,
First of all, I can’t believe that I’m about to engage you in serious discussion, but here goes:
If DHB can learn to catch and if McFadden and Bush can learn how to protect the ball from whomever taught that ability to Tiki a few years ago, the I think that all the stats that you just rattled off are completely possible with the EXACT SAME skill players we have right now and an average, slightly-below-starter-level QB if we upgrade C, RG, and RT. If JR does what he needs to do and we fix the right side of the line, we are a playoff team. If we fix the right side of the line and Russell doesn’t start, but Gradkowski, Frye, or Losman play at the level that Gradkowski and Frye established in their starts (not GREAT play, but above average for 2nd string), then we are a playoff team. If we fix the right side of the line and bring in some new QB who performs at the level that I have set, we are a playoff team.
All this talk of drafting Dez or Best or anyone else is foolish. I don’t care if Dez is the best overall player in the draft and he’s still on the board when we pick at #8… we need LINEMEN. I will stand pat on every offensive player that isn’t a lineman. I would be completely happy keeping the same four QB’s on the roster and letting them compete for three spots this summer and fall. If the winner of the battle for starting position plays above the level that Gradkowski set in his starts last year (again, not GREAT… he’s no savior or messiah, he was just efficient enough to not have me begging to cut him), then I will be satisfied as long as the line gets fixed. We don’t need an All-Pro QB yet… because it would do NO GOOD behind this line. We need efficient QB play and better protection/blocking.
All the talk of backs and receivers pertaining to our draft picks just makes me ill. The only NON lineman (DL or OL) that should be discussed is MLB… and that should only be in the 2nd or 3rd round. The only offensive draftee who isn’t on the line should be a true blocking fullback (who can maybe catch 10 passes per season) in the 7th round. That’s my opinion.
March 29th, 2010 at 12:13 am
STEVE I DO NOT THINK LOSMAN IS WITH THE TEAM ANYMORE I LAST HEARD HE IS ON HIS WAY BACK TO THE UFL
March 29th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Fat Kidd,
That would be the first that I’ve heard of such a thing, but it could be true.
If you don’t mind me asking a favor of you, would you please stop posting in all caps, if you don’t mind… it’s bothersome to many folks in the eye department.
March 29th, 2010 at 12:17 am
U folks are full of it.
You criticize JLH for his 19 carries, most in the last half of the year.
Yet excuse the pitiful, pathetic inexcusable 9 freekn receptions by DHB
All he has is a 40 time. That’s it. At least I have seen JLH take one to the house… a few to the house…
DHB jump catches everything and is not worth a 1st round pick.
This team is garbage right now. Why? Many of you, like the owner, overrate middling talent. Real talent produces.
Okay! Harvin, Crabtree, Maclin, Britt…that’s what a 1st rounder is supposed to do.
Our 1st rounders….still need a vet QB to mentor in the FOURTH FREEKN YEAR!…..Production is Chris Johnson…not DMAC! Productin is Maclin, Crabtree, Britt, Harvin, Knox…not 9 freekn receptions from DHB;
Now we have people saying that Gradkowski the Gym-Rat is a better option than McNabb.
The only thing consistent around here is losing.
Jidging talent is the 1st step.
Oh, the run defense stinks too! and you fix the run defense by fixing the D-Line first…not the linebackers.
March 29th, 2010 at 12:19 am
And for the Michael Bush haters…check out his numbers when the baffoon coaching staff gives him 10 or more carries.
Do you guys like losing?
March 29th, 2010 at 12:22 am
i heard that losman considered the nfl free agency market a bunch of bs so he figures he has a better chance of starting in the ufl and has signed with the las vegas team
March 29th, 2010 at 12:23 am
JP losman is the next best option on the roster…certainly better than the Gym-Rat or JaDavis
March 29th, 2010 at 12:31 am
SnB,
THANK YOU! Someone else finally recognizes that a new MLB won’t be worth crap against the run without a DT upgrade FIRST!
I am a UK fan, so I have feared Bush and hated seeing him in a jersey that wasn’t MY team’s color for years. If not for breaking his leg, he was a sure 1st rounder. Despite the fumbles, I still love him and want him to be the feature back… with some lessons on ball-security. The only way he could lose the job (in MY mind) would be if McFadden put on a ton of thickness in the lower body and learned to protect the ball, but he’d have to hit the gym hard to get enough weight on.
I still have faith in JLH as a PR and still like him as a situational receiver. If he can get his mind right and chase out the ghost that lines up across from him every down, he should be fine. We have to start throwing him some other passes besides slants, though… opposing Ds know exactly what he’s going to do every time he lines up on offense. Nevertheless, I would rather have a scared JLH on the field than stonehands DHB. I hope that JLH can get back in the zone this year and that DHB can learn how to get his hands in correct position, watch the ball into the catch, and maintain correct posture through the action this season. If those things can happen, I think they will both be fine. Having said that, I still would prefer JLH until DHB can find a way to PROVE that he can consistently perform at the required level.
March 29th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Fat Kidd,
As of the evening of March 28th, J.P. Losman is still an Unrestricted Free Agent with the Oakland Raiders and has NOT returned to the UFL.
March 29th, 2010 at 12:37 am
last year i did not want al davis to draft crabtree because i told my son he would be a holdout and i was right,dhb i have not given up on and would like to see what happens with a another year under his belt
March 29th, 2010 at 12:42 am
SteveAlford,
Too many fans watch the ESPN highlights. Show me a beast linebacker that doesn’t have a beast D-Line. People want to get by on the D-Line. tHat’s why the praise for guys like Gerard Warren and Terdell Sands…or the excuses for Tommy Kelly.
D-Line gets it started. they occupy blockers and disrupt running lanes….our guys don’t do that because they are, for the most part, penetrating pass rushers 1st…and run defenders a distant 5th.
Sure, watch the clips and see a Ray Lewis or Harrison running around making plays…yet neglect the lineman up front.
The singular focus on skill position players is the reason why the Raiders are the softest defense in the NFL…teams look forward to running the ball right down the middle on this team…and when you give up 157 yds per game…you don’t stand a chance!
Back to ESPN to watch those 80 yard bombs…60 yard runs, 80 yd intereption returns and linebackers making big hits in the flats!
March 29th, 2010 at 12:45 am
LOS ANGELES — Forced to choose between being an NFL backup or a starter in a fledgling league, J.P. Losman has taken playing time.
Losman, 28, said Tuesday night he has signed with the Las Vegas entry of the start-up United Football League, where he will be coached by former Giants boss Jim Fassel. He immediately becomes the league’s marquee player, a former first round pick who was Buffalo’s starting quarterback 33 times over the past four seasons.
J.P. Losman has signed an undisclosed, one-year contract with the Las Vegas UFL franchise.
An unrestricted free agent
March 29th, 2010 at 12:52 am
Fat Kidd,
Regarding your post #813: WHEN is that article dated?
March 29th, 2010 at 12:59 am
Fat Kidd,
See how that article of yours says “start-up United Football League” and “was Buffalo’s starting quarterback 33 times over the past four seasons” in there? Yeah, that article that you posted was from at least a year ago. I don’t know if you’re trolling or confused, but I highly doubt that it’s innocent confusion, because the article that you posted HAS TO have had a date on it… so you’ve got to be trolling or somehow retarded enough to not look at the date on an article about a player on the roster signing elsewhere.
March 29th, 2010 at 1:02 am
03-16-2010, 02:48PM Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye signed their tenders with the Raiders today; Tom Cable says Gradkowski will compete with Jamarcus Russell for the starter’s job (yep, they still haven’t realised he’s Akili Smith v2.0.)
Could be good news for the Locos as it may make JP Losman returning more likely. It looks like at best JP will be competing for a clipboard holding job in Oakland.
March 29th, 2010 at 1:08 am
Fat Kidd,
AGAIN, you’ve completely avoided the question and given info that makes it appear that JP isn’t with the team. I’ll ask it again:
WHAT WAS THE DATE ON THE ARTICLE THAT YOU JUST POSTED?
March 29th, 2010 at 1:08 am
Fat Kidd,
AGAIN, you’ve completely avoided the question and given info that makes it appear that JP isn’t with the team. I’ll ask it again:
WHAT WAS THE DATE ON THE ARTICLE THAT YOU JUST POSTED IN POST #813?
March 29th, 2010 at 1:12 am
Fat Kidd,
Never mind, I just put your post in google and found the article myself. It’s from August 11, 2009. Thanks for trying to be such a douchebag troll, but you failed.
March 29th, 2010 at 4:25 am
UFL Access Howard Balzer of The Sports exchange has now reported that Losman to Vegas is nearing completion Fassel in Las Vegas, if the rumors prove true, could be a great thing for both coach and quarterback.
Discuss this and other issues at a UFL Access chat tomorrow night at 9 PM EST in our chat room.
03/23/2010
March 29th, 2010 at 4:25 am
Howard Balzer of The Sports Xchange has now reported that Losman to Vegas is nearing completion Fassel in Las Vegas, if the rumors prove true, could be a great thing for both coach and quarterback.
Discuss this and other issues at a UFL Access chat tomorrow night at 9 PM EST in our chat room.
03/23/2010
March 29th, 2010 at 4:25 am
Rumors have heated up regarding player movement to the United Football League in recent days. Losman said he would be headed to the league, Howard Balzer of The Sports Xchange has now reported that Losman to Vegas is nearing completion .Discuss this and other issues at a UFL Access chat tomorrow night at 9 PM EST in our chat room.
03/23/2010
March 29th, 2010 at 4:25 am
test 123
March 29th, 2010 at 4:51 am
I want an update…asap!
March 29th, 2010 at 5:33 am
Let’s say Dmac learns to hold on to ball he still isn’t breaking any tackles he still isn’t any every down back, College is College. Tired of always waiting for 1 rd to produces instead of stepping right in . Yeah I’m sure at age 21 DHB will finally learn to catch a football, those are set skill you should already have and wasn’t 1 of Cable’s reason for DHB pick was he came from pro style O and would fit right in.
ps I know everything goes through Al and Cable make 0 calls on anything but horrible OL
March 29th, 2010 at 5:52 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Nothing new since Friday huh? Oh well…
March 29th, 2010 at 5:55 am
825th!
March 29th, 2010 at 5:58 am
good morning AM crew!
so Fassel & Losman are returning to the UFL, huh?
too bad they can’t take Cable & Russell with them …
March 29th, 2010 at 6:12 am
Priest,
Trent Williams was a pretty darned good right tackle at Oklahoma, but struggled quite a bit against quicker defensive ends when moved to the left side. He played in the spread offense as well.
The most athletic and ZBS-ready tackle in this draft is Charles Brown from USC, and virtually every scout in the business agrees that this is so, and that he’s a sure first rounder. USC runs the ZBS, and if selected Brown could step in and play immediately.
As I’ve said before, I don’t think Al is going to take a tackle in the first round because Mario is his LT and he can find a RT prospect later on. I would like to see Mike Johnson from Alabama in Oakland. Top-rated ZBS guard in the draft, and should be there when we pick in the third.
Maurkice Pouncey in the first. Not a reach if he’s a future Pro Bowler, and virtually everyone that rates o-linemen thinks he will be.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:15 am
ET:
Maurkice Pouncey & Mike Johnson would be great additions to the O-Line, but both neglect our two biggest weaknesses imo.
NT & OT.
I think there is a chance that either Bruce Campbell or Charles Brown drop to Round 2 at #39
March 29th, 2010 at 6:16 am
but don’t bother responding you wingnut!
haha. just kidding
March 29th, 2010 at 6:20 am
where is Peter Coyote?
errr… I mean … BSJ this morning???
March 29th, 2010 at 6:23 am
LOL…Peter Coyote?
March 29th, 2010 at 6:27 am
Good morning to ya!!
March 29th, 2010 at 6:27 am
edward teach probably forgot about his comment to me on friday morning…
oh well
Peter Coyote is a weak liberal with strong political views. I was just messin with’em
March 29th, 2010 at 6:27 am
whats up Neil?
been a while bro
March 29th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Is Jerry Mac back from his holiday ?
March 29th, 2010 at 6:30 am
Good morning Rockstar.
Yeah,it’s been a while.Working shifts now so some weeks it’s difficult to post for the morning crew.
This week I’m on nightshift so it’s easier to post at this time of day.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:32 am
Good morning Rockstar (you rabble-rouser, you)…
Charles Brown won’t make it out of the first round. Don’t know if you’ve seen him play or not, but you should look him up if you get a chance. There was a good clip on YouTube awhile back that showed highlights (and lowlights as well) of the top tackle prospects back-to-back, and Brown is very impressive.
Campbell I don’t know as much about, but he didn’t look nearly as good to me as Brown did.
I haven’t forgotten about RT or NT. I’m not one for mock drafts, but if I did one I would have Pouncey in the first, Cam Thomas in the second, Johnson in the third and maybe a Kyle Calloway from Iowa or Mike Tepper from Cal (both ZBS tackles) in the fourth if we can somehow get a fourth round pick (or even another third). There are two fullbacks that I like; John Connor from Kentucky and Rashawn Jackson from Virginia. Would want to make sure I grabbed one of those two. I’d love to have a different MLB, but I think we’re stuck with Morrison.
For what it’s worth…
March 29th, 2010 at 6:34 am
morning AMers.
came across a dusty script over the weekend entitled “The Meditations of jaMarcus Russellius”. here are some excerpts.
-it is so tiring to be the focus and saviour of the Nation. thus only the Emperor knows.
-the boos and catcalls and criticisms of me by the masses and the media simply show their ignorance of the Emperor’s plight. it demonstrates their smallness and as I am a large man I will not engage them.
-it is a small man who blames difficulties and failures on others. but as I am a large man I am allowed to do so. inept coaches, poor blockers and bad receivers are the Emperor’s bane.
-many since olden times have said that gold does not make the man. they did not know about “bling”.
-I like kilograms. I weigh 125 kg. yeah, I like that.
-blessed are the fortunate creatures who have died to clothe me in their fur.
-blessed are the slaves who have mined the diamonds that adorn me.
-blessed is Mr Davis for making me rich.
-blessed is Coach Cable for keeping me on the sideline where I wouldn’t be injured (did you see what happened to those two small pretenders to the throne when they were sent upon the field?).
-blessed is the NFL for directing a system that allowed me to turn one college game into a lifetime of wealth.
-blessed are the pretty little thangs who give themselves to me and tell me I am the largest man alive.
-it is sad to think that there are those who declare me to be stupid and lazy and fat. it grieves me to remind their small jealous(I am already effortlessly richer than all of my critics)minds that I am not stupid (wonderlic 24!) nor lazy (I am biding my time – afterall, why work when you’ve hit the lottery?) nor fat (125 kg!).
-it has been said since the beginning of time that pride is a vice of a small man. I am a large man.
Emperor jaMarcus Russellius
March 29th, 2010 at 6:37 am
You’re wasted on this site Lonetree.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Hwnrdr,
just finished reading a book entitled “The Lost Civilization of Lemuria” by Frank Joseph (Frantz Joseph’s uncle?).
a lot to learn of Mu.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Neilb,
not wasted at all,I’m drinking coffee.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:39 am
24days, 2hours, 50min is that right?
March 29th, 2010 at 6:41 am
………maybe some Praetorian guard might help us out.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:41 am
24days, 2hours, 50min is that right?
***
until what?
we draft Campbell or Pierre-Paul and we have another riot in Oakland?
March 29th, 2010 at 6:42 am
…….and good morning LMN.How dare your nasty Liverpool beat my beloved Sunderland!
March 29th, 2010 at 6:43 am
How was that M? I forgot you were reading into those.
This weekend I have done absolutely nothing!!! Well, except for Friday night when I had a bottle of Soju…
March 29th, 2010 at 6:44 am
Neilb…
Ndamokung Suh’s name, translated, means “House of Spears”.
Not a bad place to start, maybe.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:44 am
Neil: glad you’re back, if even just for this week
ET: I like Charles Brown, but do you honestly think 7-8 OL get selected in the 1st round this year ???
Okung, Williams, Davis, Bulaga, Campbell, Brown, Puncey, Iupati, etc
March 29th, 2010 at 6:45 am
neil b…
LOL, well sorry about that, well it was about time sunderland didnt draw the longest straw against LFC =)
March 29th, 2010 at 6:45 am
Hey Rockstar,
I think the riot is inevitable…soon!
Wasted years, draft picks, veteran signings, etc…
Last season was the first season that we didn’t even sell out even on Sunday when we usually do (except for that Monday nighter). Whether that is directly due to the economy (I doubt) or everyone is just purely tired of the old man!!!
Oh, another wasted year and the riots will be there!!!
March 29th, 2010 at 6:46 am
RRS yup until the draft, i better know the excact time and date, so i can setup the alarm on the mac here =)
March 29th, 2010 at 6:46 am
1st (NT) Dan Williams
2nd (OT) Campbell or Brown
3rd (C)Tennant
4th (G) Carter, Petrus or Lauvao
5th (MLB) Micah Johnson
5th (FB) John Conner
7th who cares?
7th who cares?
if we trade a 2nd rounder for McNabb …
1st (NT) Dan Williams
3rd (C) Matthew Tennant
4th (T) Calloway or Fox
5th (MLB) Micah Johnson
5th (FB) John Conner
and get a few guards in free agency.
Bobbie Williams, Randy Thomas, Shawn Andrews, Ben Hamilton are available. Or we could always re-sign Langston Walker?
March 29th, 2010 at 6:46 am
Zero point drafting Campbell at No8. Chances are that he will be on the Board when we draft in the 2nd. He is probably at least sixth in the other 31 teams OT rankings behind Okung, Buluga, Davis, Williams and Brown. Suspect some teams even have him behind Staffold and Veldheer.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:46 am
“House of Spears” ? We gotta get him in silver and black.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:49 am
britney spears?
March 29th, 2010 at 6:49 am
Good Morning レイダーネイション !
March 29th, 2010 at 6:49 am
Hwnrdr: Let’s assume that Al Davis will return as Owner/GM for the 2010 season …
under what circumstances would you purchase season tickets?
what would we have to do via draft & free agency to convince you that this team is getting serious about winning?
March 29th, 2010 at 6:50 am
Good morning Scottish,been a while since I heard your excellent point of view.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:50 am
Hwnrdr,
the book was one of the more delightful reads I’ve come upon in a while. very informative about Mu using sources both modern and ancient, archeology and talking story.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:50 am
Rockstar…
I don’t know who the Raiders are going to take, let alone the other 31 teams. All I know is that Charles Brown is universally regarded as a first-round draft choice, and that there are ZBS teams out there (Green Bay, for example) that are trying to keep their quarterbacks alive for another season that would leap at the chance to draft him.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:51 am
Trade Dmac for Britney Spears!
March 29th, 2010 at 6:51 am
Scottish –
is Bruce Campbell even better than:
Selvish Capers, Ciron Black, Kyle Calloway or Jason Fox?
March 29th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Neilb… I’d do that deal. She probably has a couple of good years left.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:55 am
ScottishRaider,
isn’t the Campbell clan considered traitorous in Scotland?
March 29th, 2010 at 6:56 am
ET: if Charles Brown is every bit as good as you describe, then why is he a projected late 1st rounder?
why not Top 10?
why is he rated the 5th or 6th best tackle in the draft?
March 29th, 2010 at 6:56 am
To get Suh we would need to trade up to No2. That would mean giving the Lions picks equivalent to 1400 points on the value chart – in other words, our 2010 1st, 2nd and 3rd, plus our 2011 2nd. Given that we have already given up our 2011 1st, it just won’t happen.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:57 am
she surely has a tank =)
March 29th, 2010 at 6:57 am
Keep thinking Campbell won’t go at #8 Go back before last years draft everyone in here said same thing about DHB at 7# if you’re a Raider fan you know Al will do whatever he wants and could care less what anyone else thinks.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:57 am
It’s a good idea Edward Teach.You’ve always got someone on the team who can sing the national anthem if needed.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:58 am
I long for the days when Stryker and Slade swung the axe on the gridiron battlefield.
March 29th, 2010 at 6:59 am
Rockstar… depends on who you listen to. Also, he’s a ZBS guy and not as heavy as some of the others.
Here’s Wes Bunting’s report from National Football Post, with Okung, Davis, Bulaga and the others as well:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/front-office-total-access-stats.html&position=ot
March 29th, 2010 at 6:59 am
Scottish….
Nnamdi and our first for the Lions first ?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:00 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 29th, 2010 at 6:44 am
Neil: glad you’re back, if even just for this week
ET: I like Charles Brown, but do you honestly think 7-8 OL get selected in the 1st round this year ???
Okung, Williams, Davis, Bulaga, Campbell, Brown, Puncey, Iupati, etc
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Rock, what up BRO??? Considering our player “personnnel dept” the raiders would reach this far…
March 29th, 2010 at 7:01 am
ET: look at the mocks I posted (post #852)
would you be upset if happened that way?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Neilb,
no way, if you have a Ndamukong you also gotta have a Nnamdi. It’s the law.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:02 am
Scottish… I agree. I would be the dumbest move possible. I was just responding to neilb’s Praetorian Guard comment.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:03 am
# M Lonetree Says:
March 29th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Neilb,
no way, if you have a Ndamukong you also gotta have a Nnamdi. It’s the law.
_________________________________________________________
true, but what about eche? remember him ?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:03 am
I like SUH, however he is one man. If we have to give up all those picks i would pass. Also trading Aso would create another hole on the defense. We should be Aso and Woodson.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:04 am
good morning Thec!
yeah. I know what you’re saying…
I wouldn’t put it past Al Davis to draft OT Zane Beadles in the Top 10 and then say “he’s the player we wanted. We wanted to snag him before another team did”
projected 5th rounder.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:05 am
Neilb, nice idea. Suspect that Nnamdi’s contract would be the stumbling block on that deal. Nnamdi might be tempted to renegotiate a lower deal with a genuine contender (Eagles, Vikings, etc.) but he won’t for a no-hoper like Detroit.
The only possible way would be a multi-player/pick offer. Something like our 2010 1st and 3rd plus Howard, Bush and our 2011 3rd. Even then I can’t see the Lions being interested.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:05 am
I’d be fine with either one, Rockstar. They both address the positions that need the most attention.
I just hope everybody’s happy with Kyle Wilson
March 29th, 2010 at 7:05 am
The law ?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:06 am
A lot of hype on cj spiller, We may REACH in that direction.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:06 am
true, but what about eche? remember him ?
***
trade the walrus for RB Adimchinobe “Joe” Echemandu !!!
March 29th, 2010 at 7:06 am
wouldn’t put it past Al Davis to draft OT Zane Beadles in the Top 10
ROFLMAO…….
March 29th, 2010 at 7:07 am
Rockstar,
I made a committment to this team at the end of last season by saying that I will renew for this year. However, if it starts to go south, I will sell my tickets (well, not all, but will choose the games that I will go to) and possibly not renew for 2011.
What would AL have to do this offseason? Al will have to draft at #8 the best on board. I would say tackle on both sides, but that probably won’t happen. Who knows, maybe Al is getting serious about his statement of getting back to the SB before he passes on….
I tell you what though…if for some strange aligning of the planets happen and Suh is in Silver and Black this season…I will renew in 2011 already!!!
March 29th, 2010 at 7:08 am
Yes everyone I know it won’t happen.I just keep thinking what’s the point of having the best corner in the league if the other team can run all day.
We don’t even put Nnamdi on the #1 WR….
March 29th, 2010 at 7:08 am
Rockstar,
I like Kyle Calloway and Jason Fox. Wouldn’t mind one of those in the 4th or Tony Washington or Zane Beadles. They don’t have the physical gifts of Campbell (or maybe the upside) but they certainly have better film.
Not so convinced about Selvish Capers and Ciron Black – unless they were around in the 5th or 7th.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:08 am
I heard talk on pft the rumor monger site that we were looking at sage rosenfelds. If we are truly looking for a qb why not take a run at Troy Smith. He would only cost a 5th rounder…
March 29th, 2010 at 7:09 am
I just hope everybody’s happy with Kyle Wilson
***
if we trade Nnamdi Asomugha before or on draft day you know Al Davis will draft Kyle Wilson!
and like Charles Brown, Kyle Wilson is a consensus sure fire 1st rounder. crap. keep N21 at all costs!
March 29th, 2010 at 7:10 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
March 29th, 2010 at 7:06 am
true, but what about eche? remember him ?
***
trade the walrus for RB Adimchinobe “Joe” Echemandu !!!
_________________________________________________________
Hell ya!
March 29th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Dammit guys, i have to go to work for a short meeting…
see ya, take care..
March 29th, 2010 at 7:11 am
I am deduced to this, as long as the draft does not make me angry and want to bl0w S#!T up, then i am okay.
Dont want any reaches or 3 year projects. The players we draft need to come in and start from day one, esp rounds 1,2 and possible 3.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:11 am
ltr LMN, take care Bro….
March 29th, 2010 at 7:12 am
Thec, don’t see Spiller making it past Seattle. If you want an RB, the best value is at the bottom of the 2nd – Hardesty, McKnight, Gerhart. One of them might be around when we pick in the 3rd.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:12 am
U2 LMN.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:14 am
Scottish…..
on another topic……is it snowing where you are ?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:14 am
Anything new?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Not so convinced about Selvish Capers and Ciron Black – unless they were around in the 5th or 7th.
***
I like Ciron Black. I’d take him in Round 3. starter at RT from Day 1
what don’t you like about him, Scottish?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Scottish Raider Says:
March 29th, 2010 at 7:12 am
Thec, don’t see Spiller making it past Seattle. If you want an RB, the best value is at the bottom of the 2nd – Hardesty, McKnight, Gerhart. One of them might be around when we pick in the 3rd.
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Naw i dontr want a rb, we need trench help…Mr. Davis with his infinite wisdom may see otherwise, and drasft spiller. If it happens dont be shocked. Dont bl0w anything up either…
March 29th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Not yet. Due in the Borders over-night. Not sure if much will make it to Edinburgh or settle.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:16 am
Report: Raiders exploring deal for Rosenfels
Say what?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:17 am
New word according to PFT, Sage Resenfelds….
March 29th, 2010 at 7:17 am
is Jerry still in vacation?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:17 am
Thanks.The north-east is forecast Tuesday/Wednesday.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:18 am
I am hoping this draft does not make me tun it off after the first Rd , but i have this feeling we are going to do something very stupid….
March 29th, 2010 at 7:18 am
We’re going to need at least 6 or 7 qb’s with that Oline.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:19 am
No onion jokes please.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:20 am
What will be interesting this year is whether the spread over three days changes the draft. There is a school of thought that says the longer analysis time between first and second rounds and between third and fourth rounds will greatly increase the number of deals. Times get more time to assess who is still on the Board and more time to negotiate swaps and trades.
This could be a very volatile draft.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Thec….
Why would this year be any different from any other ?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:20 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/28/report-raiders-interested-in-rosenfels/
March 29th, 2010 at 7:21 am
408RAIDER Says:
March 29th, 2010 at 7:18 am
We’re going to need at least 6 or 7 qb’s with that Oline.
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True! lol
March 29th, 2010 at 7:21 am
Thec07…
Nah, we did that last year…but then again!!!
Hey 408…6 or 7 qbs? I wouldn’t be surprised…
BTW: How did you do that hiragana/kanji characters?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Neilb, The question you ask is very puzzling. I keep saying to myself, yeah this is the year we will finnaly draft for the trench, as the NFL has experienced a paridigm shift in that the “true skill palyers” are the trench guys. Those are the guys that are worth more. I think we get hung up on our galery pick and say no more Oline or Dline in the 1st or second. the guys coming out of college now are “pro ready” look at how many guys actually start on both sides of the ball that we passed on for the likes of
DHB = Hands of stome
JRUSS = BRL
DMAC = No swivel
I just hope we can turn it, but the facts are we wont, and i will Bl0w some s#!T up….
March 29th, 2010 at 7:25 am
Sage Rosenfels was pretty good in Houston. his completion percentage was off the charts.
24 TD’s & 23 INT’s though for the Texans in a 3 year span …
6′4″ 224 lbs 10 year vet with a strong arm.
did virtually nothing his first 6 years in the league. Didn’t even throw a pass for Minny last year after they traded a 4th rounder to get him. (thanks to Brett “iron man” Favre)
March 29th, 2010 at 7:26 am
I need to use spell check… Damn learn how to spell Bro…
March 29th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Sage Rosenfels could be the next Rich Gannon.
he’s 32 years old. the Raiders would be his 5th NFL team. showed flashes in Houston
but unless we fix the O-Line he’ll do no better than Bruce or Charlie …
March 29th, 2010 at 7:28 am
“IF” we are going to get a QB, Troy Smith is the logical choice. He has a relathionship with our OCO and could easliy supplant all the QB’s we have. He would only cost us a 5th rounder….
March 29th, 2010 at 7:29 am
Thec…
You could be right about #76.Kinda “once beitten twice shy”.
I’ve spoke a lot about trading for Suh but to be honest I’d take anyone who would produce from day 1.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:29 am
speaking of OCO, is jackson going to run the ZBS, or is he going to go in a diffrent direction?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:30 am
I’ll have that spell check after you Thec.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:31 am
Minny only traded a 4th to get Sage and then they didn’t use him.
maybe we can get him for a 5th?
I’d take Sage Rosenfels over Troy Smith 10 times out of 10!
if Minny accepted that offer it would be like trading Derrick Burgess for Wimbley & Rosenfels (2 starters)
and we could even re-sign Burgess this offseason if we wanted to. LOL! thats what we did with Doug Gabriel. traded him to New England. they released him. we got him back the next year. 1 year rental plan
March 29th, 2010 at 7:32 am
Now that…is a good question!!!
March 29th, 2010 at 7:34 am
hwnrdr
Morning Bro.. This Japanese Raiders Fan did it 4 me.. I Just cut and pasted it.. It’s suppose to say RaiderNation
March 29th, 2010 at 7:34 am
DHB,Dmac and JaMarcus…..
Do you think Al looks at them and thinks Michael,Emmitt and Troy ?
March 29th, 2010 at 7:34 am
I would mind us drafting all olinemen….
It would give our offense a chance to score.
If we dont draft for trench warfare we will go 5-11.
RB’s WR’s TE’s FB’s these positions are a dime a dozen. If you look at the ZBS denver ran, they put anybody ar RB and they produced.
If you have not in order,
1. Solid O Trench
2. Solid D Trench
3. Good QB
You will win a lot of games…..Sounds sikmple but that seems to escape this franchise…
March 29th, 2010 at 7:35 am
that would depend on Mr. Davis vision. He may think his guys are better based on the 40 times….
March 29th, 2010 at 7:37 am
LOL!!!
March 29th, 2010 at 7:37 am
408, I may have to show you guys how to play fantasy football again, so when it starts up agan send me an invite….
Time to go back to lurking….
You guys have a great week…..
LTR NATION
March 29th, 2010 at 7:38 am
Thec
Jamarcus must have a horrid 40 time..
March 29th, 2010 at 7:38 am
That’s cool 408…
On that note:
You all have a good day!!!
March 29th, 2010 at 7:38 am
lol you don’t want it Thec!
March 29th, 2010 at 7:40 am
Yeah,I’m off too.
Have a great Monday everyone.
March 29th, 2010 at 7:41 am
8, Looking forward to playing against you guys this year, should be fun….
March 29th, 2010 at 7:41 am
LTR NATION….
March 29th, 2010 at 7:42 am
Raider on thec
March 29th, 2010 at 7:52 am
bawhahaha classic meltdown.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrkR7ih6f3M
March 29th, 2010 at 8:05 am
I’d take Sage Rosenfels over Troy Smith 10 times out of 10!
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I must disagree. Troy Smith is an unknown with talent. Sage has likely shown all he can do as a pro.
March 29th, 2010 at 8:16 am
Troy Smith has completed 48 of 89 passes thus far in his 3 years with Baltimore. completion percentage is under 54.
thats with solid coaching, solid running game, solid receivers and a solid O-Line.
the fact that the Ravens only tendered him at his original tender (5th round) speaks volumes. A backup QB is important in this league IMO. So basically if Flacco gets hurt, they’ll be happy to roll with John Beck instead of Troy Smith or maybe even some late round rookie this year …
March 29th, 2010 at 8:17 am
Troy Smith is Bruce Gradkowski version 2.0
sorry fellas.
he may be better than JaWalrus, but who isn’t ???
March 29th, 2010 at 8:18 am
new post !!!
the Mac is back!
June 17th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
[...] Corkran of the Contra Costa Times stated that there is no truth to the rumors that the Raiders are dangling Nnamdi Asomugha as part [...]
September 5th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
organizational theory…
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October 5th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
down payment on a house…
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October 13th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Hi i made a website about marijuana and i invite you to post some opinion and tips for the people who read this articles about marijuana and about growing marijuana indoor and outdoor…
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October 24th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
win on trades…
[...]Rumors persist about Asomugha to Eagles in trade for McNabb – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…
November 9th, 2011 at 4:10 am
carpet repairs edinburgh…
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November 18th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Black Friday Camera Deals…
[...]Rumors persist about Asomugha to Eagles in trade for McNabb – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…
December 7th, 2011 at 11:23 am
new arrival game…
[...]Rumors persist about Asomugha to Eagles in trade for McNabb – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…
December 12th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
cycling jersey|cycling shorts…
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March 29th, 2012 at 1:05 am
mini game…
[...]Rumors persist about Asomugha to Eagles in trade for McNabb – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…
June 1st, 2012 at 7:36 am
mobile downloads…
[...]Rumors persist about Asomugha to Eagles in trade for McNabb – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…