Draft prospect: Jimmy Clausen
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, April 9th, 2010 at 7:07 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Third in a series analyzing potential draft picks for the Raiders, scheduled to select at No. 8 in the first round on April 22:
Position: Quarterback
Height, weight: 6-3. 222 pounds
College: Notre Dame
Why it’s Clausen: Because Al Davis wants go to the polar opposite of the laid-back JaMarcus Russell and bring in someone with some fire. Make no mistake _ if Clausen is drafted at No. 8 money, then Russell is being paid his final $3 million and is being sent on his way. Tom Cable said it was his call to remove Russell from the lineup last year, and he is the coach. But chances are it didn’t happen until Davis said, “You want to change quarterbacks? Be my guest.” As much as the organization won’t admit it, they miss the Rich Gannon effect _ and Clausen brings some Gannon-esque qualities to the table. He can run a pro style offense. He’s not afraid of ruffling some feathers. I had Clausen pegged as a pouter/complainer along the lines of Jay Cutler, but am coming around to the idea that he may be more like the Chargers’ Philip Rivers _ someone who his teammates love and opponents hate.
Why it’s not Clausen: Davis wants to give Russell once last chance, as suggested by AOL Fanhouse writer Thomas George today, and there’s no way he’s bringing in a big-money quarterback if he thinks Russell could still be the guy. Another factor _ the Raiders are so awful at drafting and developing their own quarterbacks (anyone remember Ken Stabler back in the late 1960s) they’d be better off going for help on the offensive or defensive lines. There’s some logic there _ the truly best Raiders teams have dominated at the point of attack and the recent vintages have been unable to protect the quarterback or run inside the 20s, while the defenses have been stampeded by teams stubborn with the run.
Quotable: “Some of the people that say those things (about my ability to be a leader) just don’t know me as a person. A lot of people don’t really know me as a person. Being at Notre Dame, the quarterback and the head coach get all the credit when things go right and get a lot of blame when things go wrong. It’s a tough situation being in a fishbowl at Notre Dame.”
Note: Clausen had his Pro Day workout today and estimated he is about 75 percent health and unable to execute some bootlegs and other throws. Not that the Pro Day is the be all and end all. It’s worth noting that Mel Kiper Jr. talked about how poor Peyton Manning’s Pro Day workout was following his senior year as he threw wobbly passes and short-hopped receivers. JaMarcus Russell? He drew comparisons with John Elway.
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April 9th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
1st…the Raiders have an “executive” on the payroll, who isn’t Herrera or Davis? really?
2nd…JR’s got a job to lose, and that’s holding down the barstools at his favorite stripclub.
He’s got NO CLUE about being a #1 QB in the NFL.
His 3 wasted seasons are proof of that.
April 9th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Just wait until Mayock comes out with his mock draft. Whoever he has the Raiders picking, that’s the guy. Hurry up Mike, Al is waiting to see who to pick!
April 9th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
I don’t think AL will draft Clausen, I can go as far as saying it is a guarantee that AL won’t draft Clausen. AL doesnt like Notre Dame players, he is a USC fan. I still think its going to be an OL this year. Cable will try to convince AL that last year they missed on the Cadillacs, and he will convince that Bualga, Campbell, Okung and Williams are the new cadillacs this year.
April 9th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Better’n Tebow.
April 9th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
if williams is there he is the guy. It will not be campbell
April 9th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
The only thing I liked about Clausen was how well he played at the end of games. Had good poise and a presence, and an ability to lead.
April 9th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
I wish we could trade down maybe the 49ers jump up or anyone from the middle pack who can give us extra picks this year. This is the deepest draft I can ever remember, there are clear talents all the way to the 5th round. Eagles are only lucky team, they have 10 or 11 picks this year. Imagine if they draft 6 pro bowlers, this team might be the next NFL champions in the coming years.
April 9th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Eagles are now the youngest team in the league.
Only 1 player over the age of 30 on the roster right now.
April 9th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
JaMarcus is worthless! Unless he hits rock bottom he will never become a student of the game and practice the way a champion is supposed to. Cut your losses Al Davis, draft a Jimmy Clausen or a Colt McCoy! Leaders!
April 9th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
My Mock Draft
1st round: Jimmy Clausen
2nd round: trade for Jared Gaither OL Baltimore
3rd round: DT, ILB or G
April 9th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
EMRaiders, Hilarious! But true!
April 9th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
This the best I ever seen Jamarcus look and sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuv8WnbSbPw&feature=related
April 9th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
#8 QB money compared to #1 QB money is extremely different. We obviously need a better offensive and defensive line so I will always lean towards getting players in the draft that fulfill those positions but I wouldn’t be mad if we drafted Clausen and not just cuz hes from Notre Dame. If anything, we could always move Jamarcus to OT if we had to.
April 9th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Raiders exec: Quarterback job is Russell’s “to lose”
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 9, 2010 9:14 PM ET
With Donovan McNabb in Washington, the Raiders must mentally prepare again for life with JaMarcus Russell.
An unnamed team executive spoke with Thomas George of Fanhouse, touting Russell’s early connection with new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson.
The name Bruce Gradkowski wasn’t mentioned once in an article that ended with optimism Russell could “lift up” the Raiders. There will be competition at quarterback, but it sounds like Russell is in the driver’s seat. Again.
“We have to develop an attitude, a belief as a team and organization of winning thinking and preparation,” the source told George. “That has to come from JaMarcus and from his position. It’s his job to lose. He is aware of that.”
We wonder if Gradkowski is aware of that too.
April 9th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
now we are fukkin talkin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 9th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
i dont guess jimmy clausen will get overweight so thats that … look. u gotta be bold in this darn league..
April 9th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
# Raiders4eve Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
I don’t think AL will draft Clausen, I can go as far as saying it is a guarantee that AL won’t draft Clausen. AL doesnt like Notre Dame players, he is a USC fan. I still think its going to be an OL this year. Cable will try to convince AL that last year they missed on the Cadillacs, and he will convince that Bualga, Campbell, Okung and Williams are the new cadillacs this year.
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Anyone Remember Tim Brown?
April 9th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
I don’t believe 1 word of the report in post 14.
I think that fanhouse guy was talking to priest.
April 9th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Raider75 – Haha. That would make sense.
April 9th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Learn you some integrity?
Oh Krappy, you just get better and better with age – lots of age! First of all, your backward Oklahomian talk is priceless. Good thing proper schooling wasn’t required in hill country.
And a dirty old PLAGIARIST like yourself even mentioning the word integrity is just priceless! It’s like Hitler offering to mentor a Jew on equal rights.
Krappy, if you weren’t such a sad old slob, I’d really feel sorry for you.
But since you are, me and my ladies are just going to enjoy another quality hearty laugh at your expense!
Awesome!
April 9th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Vegas Raider, it sure sounded to me like Jamarcus was hitting those books at LSU.
April 9th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
SatanfearsAlDavis, you said it. This league is won and lost on risk taking. Being bold and doing things that set you apart. Al Davis picking a QB with his 1st or 2nd pick would be just that. Hell, the Chargers did it when they had Drew Brees (Phillip Rivers). Why the heck can’t Al do it with a worthless QB who is robbing him blind?
April 9th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
While I can’t remember what Mannings proday was like. It couldn’t have been that bad he was drafted #1 overall. When you make personal visits to teams they work you out and get to know you better.
Jerry you always sound like a freakin’ idiot EVERYONE who saw Manning knew he was a very safe pick while Cryan Ryan was more of a boom or bust. Same with Russell most everyone had him a concensus top 5 pick.
Only Mayock who was a Brady Quinn lover and Charlie Wies servant talked up Quinn. The problem was no one bought it. W
Jerry why don’t you tell us what they said about Brady Quinn? you take every opportunity to slight Russell but the truth is everyone compared him to Elway. Who would you compare Brady Quinn to? Clausen is exactly what Brady Quinn was the fare haired glden boy. Same as Alex Smith and that bum from Kentucky who sucked in everyone when they said he was hands down a bettter player than either McNabb or Culpepper.
The white QB’s from top schools always get every benefit of the doubt. That’s why Stafford went ahead of Sanchez.
Mayock that HOF suck up goes up to Clausen and ask him are you the type to the 1st in the biulding an the last to leave? Now what do you think was Clausen’s answer as he was led into it. Oh! yeah I’m that guy!! GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK!! No GM worth his salt bought that crap. Mayock is a sucka…………period
April 9th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Oh! and let’s not forget Mayocks jock sniffing on Jay Cutler over VY. He tried his best to get Cutler drafted higher than VY but the GM’s didn’t buy it so far the best of those 3 QB’s is VY by a long way!!
Mayock is a sucka…………..period
April 9th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Sure priest. All those qbs get drafted because they are white. Has nothing to do with talent.
Every NFL GM drafts based on race.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
what up NATION???
Like I have been saying all week. JRUSS IS going to be the starter for the Oakland Raiders 2010-2011 season.
We will not be taking a QB, I wil take on all comers
who ever wants to lay money on it. Name the amount
and i will take….
April 9th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
The media too.
All racist. Poor black qbs never get a chance.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
# Thec07 Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
what up NATION???
Like I have been saying all week. JRUSS IS going to be the starter for the Oakland Raiders 2010-2011 season.
We will not be taking a QB, I wil take on all comers
who ever wants to lay money on it. Name the amount
and i will take….
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You may be right, but how much you want to put down that if he is, he will be benched by game 4 and the Raiders will be well on their way to another losing season.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
I hope JRUSS is preparing and ready to go. the team, fans, organizaion, city, is depending on him….
April 9th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
On second thoughts, there’s something about Clausen I don’t like. He has a face like Sting’s or the Doogie Howser guy. A face you’d wanna punch, that rubs you the wrong way.
I’d rather Tebow.
(I also prefer lefties, the likes of Simms, Leinart, Tebow, Canfield, etc)
April 9th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
The white QB’s from top schools always get every benefit of the doubt. That’s why Stafford went ahead of Sanchez.
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Who is the racist?
April 9th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Raider75 Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:07 pm You may be right, but how much you want to put down that if he is, he will be benched by game 4 and the Raiders will be well on their way to another losing season.
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No where in that post did i say i was crazy. thats too much of a crap shoot. Its obvious JRUSS will be the starter. We need to get a good oline to protect him.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
GG Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
On second thoughts, there’s something about Clausen I don’t like. He has a face like Sting’s or the Doogie Howser guy. A face you’d wanna punch, that rubs you the wrong way.
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ROFLMAO….Best of the wek…
April 9th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
Clausen is going to be a good NFL QB… He was groomed for this from day one. I like his fire, and leadership…
April 9th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
I was talking about Mayock idiot, if you can’t comprehend it then don’t read it. The GM’s who get paid for their decisions aint buying his crap. It’s obvious that Russell and VY were drafted earlier than Mayocks farehaired boys.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
It must be frustrating to be a bitter old black racist.
Here’s to you Priest, may you live forever douchebag.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
It really doesnt matter who we put behind center…
If we dont start building this tea,m for trench warfare, we are looking at 4-12, 5-11 tops.
Swap 1st with the 9ers, take pouncey in the first.
We get their fist next year.
2nd best avail DT or OT on the board
3rd Best G on the board
3rd trade for morrison, best MLB on the board.
We need TRENCHMEN…
April 9th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Priest, your takes are cr@p! Don’t play the race card, it loses every time! As for the Raiders taking Clausen (or any other QB) or not, it is wishful thinking by true Raider fans who know Russell does not have the composition to be a winning QB. The whole idea of the draft gives fans hope for a better season. Hope for a new tomorrow. It is this hope that makes Raider fans wish for someone DIFFERENT leading the team at QB.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
I am out back to lurking….
LTR NATION…
April 9th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
We got new trenchmen.
Langston Walker and Khalif Barnes will start next year.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Mayock was dead on with Matt Ryan Priest.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
That’s 1 out of 5 great ratio.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
As long as he picks white QBs then it’s all good.
Right?
April 9th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
How many black QBs have SB rings?
1.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
How many white QBs have SB rings?
43.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Here’s a tip from me btw…
With Seattle having two picks in the first round, #6 and #14, watch Carroll draft Colt McCoy with the #14 pick FOR SURE.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Priest,
Raiders have no business drafting a QB high for awhile. This franchise hasn’t really demonstrated the ability to develop QBs yet…haven’t developed one since Stabler…the only QBs the Raiders need to consider are UFAs….sort of how we get our DTs
Anyway, as for QBs, its all about competition at this point. I no longer have a favorite among JaDavis and the “Gym-Rat Gradkowski”…..I need someone to just complete freeking passes on a professional level.
NONE of the QBs on the roster do that….JaDavis is 48% and the Gym Rat is 53%…both numbers are EQUALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
Get me Campbell for a 4th round pick….say what you will about the kid, but he completes his passes…65% in 16 starts last year….with some of the “potential” playmakers…really that’s all we need right now. Not Peyton Manning or Drew Brees because that type is not available….just someone to come in here and complete some passess and keep drives alive
JaDavis has not demonstrated that capability…and the Gym Rat Gradkowski is a streaky passer…just look at his Cincy game…you aren’t going to win too many games like that…oh…and that Pittsburgh game..no Troy Polomalu and the Steelers are about to overhaul the secondary.
Get competition in here to push these two QBs on the roster and let it all sort out that way
JUST GET SOME COMPLETIONS BABY!
April 9th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
well. jimmy clausen can play football. white , olden boy, mayocks lover , wuteva.. we surely need him .
April 9th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
How many white QB’s have played in the SB? how many have had a chance to even play?
It must be something like 5k to 100 so black QB’s are supposed to win as many SB as whites when they get 100x’s more opportunities. That’s sound about as white as it can get.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
jason campbell is a football coward. scared to take off and run. scared to throw deep. hes a black kyle orton dude. he only throws 1 deep pass a game. plus he seems kinda stupid .
April 9th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Another observation on this blog…
When it comes to race and politics…this place is really unqualified to discuss such topics.
I would keep it to football…
April 9th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
in news more important than all this draft talk,,
hot tub time machine is …get this … WAY FUNNIER THAN THE HANGOVER !
believe it
April 9th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
SnB i think these people are unqualified to talk football. i mean , they want mike vick for christs sake!!
April 9th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
SATANFEARS ALDAVIS Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
jason campbell is a football coward. scared to take off and run. scared to throw deep. hes a black kyle orton dude. he only throws 1 deep pass a game. plus he seems kinda stupid .
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Right now, that would be a SIGNIFICANT improvement over the utter B.S that has been the QB situaion in Oakland the last 25 years….save 2 years of Gannon.
I’ll take a guy completing a bunch of short to medium passess at this point….65% completion…as long as they are for positive yards sounds good.
That vertical stretch ain’t getting us jack lately and we don’t have the QBs to get it done
65% completion 3600 yards, 20TDs….we haven’t seen those numbers in a lifetime.
I just want a competent offense bro….not looking for a San Diego, New Orleans or Indy offense….that’s not our game, and never will be.
We SHOULD be a pound the rock, short passing game offense and play ridiculously stout defense.
So get Campbell and focus on building a truly elite defense\
Its who we are
April 9th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
How many white QB’s have played in the SB? how many have had a chance to even play?
It must be something like 5k to 100 so black QB’s are supposed to win as many SB as whites when they get 100x’s more opportunities. That’s sound about as white as it can get.
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OK racist, let’s say that we have had an even playing field since 2000.
White Qbs 9 SB wins.
Black Qbs 0 SB wins.
Why?
April 9th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
White people sure are extra sensitive about talking race when everything they do is racial. But they don’t want anyone to say anything about it because it makes them uncomfortable. I wonder why?
April 9th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Hey ricochet, could you update my “who i think al will draft” entry, please?
Change from “Jason Pierre-Paul” to “Pierre-Paul or Tebow”
April 9th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Campbell / JaDavis / Gym-Rat…..let the best man win!
April 9th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Priest, a LOT of black Raiderfans HATE Russell and want him off the team, call him a bum, lazy, and stupid.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Priest I’M BLACK!!
April 9th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
How can we have an equal playing field do you se as many black QB’s as white you freakin dumbell? That’s like talking NBA wh many white players have led the league in scoring? How many great black players are there as opposed to white ones?
The QB position has been dominated by whites from the start until persent. It has nothing to do with who was better it had everything to do with who was white.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Based on the logic in here, then I guess anyone with Manning DNA will win a Super Bowl….think about the statistical probability of two brothers winning Super Bowls back 2 back…
You guys need to leave the race stuff alone …reallly
April 9th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
There are more white QBs because they are better at it.
Just like black people are better at RB.
It is genetics not racism.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Should we have 50% white, 50% black Qbs?
No!
Should we have 50% white CBs, 50% white Cbs?
No!
How about the best man for the job!
April 9th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Pre-Draft trade from 2005.
Raiders get: New England’s sixth-round pick (No. 175) and selected DT Antajj Hawthorne.
Patriots get: Oakland’s seventh-round pick (No. 230), which they used to select QB Matt Cassel, and its fifth-round pick in 2006.
LOL! Raiders could have had Matt Cassel.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Sweep The Leg. Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
There are more white QBs because they are better at it.
Just like black people are better at RB.
It is genetics not racism.
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Like I said. A football blog for the worst team in the NFL is not the place for a competent discussion on race…
This post is utterly ridiculous
April 9th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
should all the other golfers be in awe of tiger woods play or should they be embarrased at how much they suck and he dominates them ?
April 9th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
That is what you tell your self to ease the pain that you just might be an ignorant bigot. Your post just proved that beyond a shadow of doubt.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Instead of stooges like you guys trying your best to pigeon hole people into predefined roles.
Why not just let people try whatever postion, job, career, etc…they want and let it shake out in competition?
April 9th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
SNB,
Qiuet down, I am getting Priest worked up.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
*Quiet*
April 9th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
The reason why black QBs get scrutinized more is this….
black QBs over the years have always been more athletic, scramblers and passers, than pure pocket passers. You go thru the list of them going back decades. It’s due to THIS alone that sees black QBs in the NFL struggle more than white QBs.
When you get a mill of pure pocket passing black QBs, you’ll see more celebrated and SB-winning black QBs…because while all the scrambling is nice, the core is presence and mastery in the pocket.
McNabb and McNair have been very close in recent times because they in the end got older/wearier legs/bodies, and had to rely on pure pocket-acumen.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
You are a racist beyond all doubt.
Long ago you called me a racist because I said Jamarcus was awful, I asked you to show where I ever said anything racist at all.
You never have produced anything to prove your point. To call someone a racist in my opinion is a serious accusation.
I find great satisfaction in pointing out your remarks that definitly seem racially motivated to me.
My comments tonight were only to prove my point that YOU find racism in evrything. NOT ME!
It is football not the end of the world,
Just talk football.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Doug Williams won a SB while being a pure pocket passer, his rush stats for his time in Washington were non-existent.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
GG,
Take a look at Tim Tebow…a white mobile QB….the only thing Urban Meyer cared about was winning college games..the skills to win in college are not necessarily compatible to winning in the pros….different games really.
Anyway, Tebow was allowed to get by on his athleticism…the coaches didn’t develop his passing skills….what is happening to Tebow right now is something that happens to a lot of young black QBs…the college coaches tend to let athletic QBs just keep running and creating plays and they don’t develop their pocket passing skills.
April 9th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
jamarcus russell has set all future black qbs back 20 years.. which team will draft one next ?
April 9th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
we all know college is diff from pros. bobby hurley , and all duke players except elton brand and christian laetner prove that
April 9th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
GG,
Take a look at Tim Tebow…a white mobile QB….the only thing Urban Meyer cared about was winning college games..the skills to win in college are not necessarily compatible to winning in the pros….different games really.
Anyway, Tebow was allowed to get by on his athleticism…the coaches didn’t develop his passing skills….what is happening to Tebow right now is something that happens to a lot of young black QBs…the college coaches tend to let athletic QBs just keep running and creating plays and they don’t develop their pocket passing skills.
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Exactly. Tebow being white is gonna get scrutinized and put down and questioned as much as black QBs…and it’s ALL DUE TO being predominantly athletic/scrambling/rushing QB than a pure pocket passer. He is being re-taught now to be more of a pocket passer. Only when he does master that will he end up a celebrated QB and possible SB-winning QB. Steve Young managed to win because he was a great pocket-passer too, but also because he was in that Niner system, with a HOF team around him. Randall Cunningham in that Niners team would’ve won SBs galore, S.Young at the Lions or Browns wouldn’t have won anything.
April 9th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
You are just helpless aren’t you?
Yes, I will let all the “balcks” out.
Let me call my white friends in high places. LOL.
You need a helmet, you are dangerous to yourself and others.
April 9th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
I told you I am BLACK!!
April 9th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
also stupid
April 9th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
DKnight007 Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
It doesn’t appear the Raiders had a scouting contingent at Jimmy Clausen’s Pro Day on Friday. ESPN’s Mel Kiper believes he will be the team’s pick at No. 8. The lack of an Oakland presence doesn’t necessarily mean much, but if the Raiders were seriously considering him, they’d probably take a close look at Clausen at some point.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/11886/evening-afc-west-news-and-notes-109
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The Raiders did have a “scout” there…..it was former Raiders QB/O-Coordinator MARC TRESTMAN!
I’m sure if old man Al wants to hear first hand about Clausen he will hit up the man who has been preparing Clausen and who scripted his workout today in Trestman!
Lombardi also compared Clausen to Sanchez and both Bucky Brooks and Lombardi said they thought Clausens workout was better than Sanchez’s was last year.
The scripted workout also had Clausen throwing more intermediate to deep balls and his arm is much more lively than Sanchez arm.
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Sanchez threw 12 tds and 20 interceptions.
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Yeah and he also led his team to within a game from going to the Super Bowl. \
April 9th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
I know the truth.
Black people are being held back by the elite, thats true. Although the “elite” are on the left.
But it is also voluntary, because we are allowing ourselves to be controlled by our own bad choices.
When I see an idiot black kid with his pants on the ground or a single mom on welfare I cringe because I know they are perpetuating the steryotype and image of black America.
When are we going to realize that our destiny is in our own hands?
America was built on the premise that each individual is responsible for themselves not the state responsible for each individual.
The American dream is within each mans reach. Black or white, yellow or red.
April 9th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
# 24 Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Raiders exec: Quarterback job is Russell’s “to lose”
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 9, 2010 9:14 PM ET
With Donovan McNabb in Washington, the Raiders must mentally prepare again for life with JaMarcus Russell.
An unnamed team executive spoke with Thomas George of Fanhouse, touting Russell’s early connection with new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson.
The name Bruce Gradkowski wasn’t mentioned once in an article that ended with optimism Russell could “lift up” the Raiders. There will be competition at quarterback, but it sounds like Russell is in the driver’s seat. Again.
“We have to develop an attitude, a belief as a team and organization of winning thinking and preparation,” the source told George. “That has to come from JaMarcus and from his position. It’s his job to lose. He is aware of that.”
We wonder if Gradkowski is aware of that too.
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Scary thought…..whatever….and those same execs wonder why not many people fans are renewing or buying season tickets! LOL
April 9th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
# chrisram73 Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
SatanfearsAlDavis, you said it. This league is won and lost on risk taking. Being bold and doing things that set you apart. Al Davis picking a QB with his 1st or 2nd pick would be just that. Hell, the Chargers did it when they had Drew Brees (Phillip Rivers). Why the heck can’t Al do it with a worthless QB who is robbing him blind?
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Yep….I said the same thing in a previous thread.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Sweep you are clueless, have you ever seen a predominantly white trailer park? Or have you been down south where there are someof the most backward folks on earth. Why don’t they lift themselves up when they have a leg up on everybody? because they’re prisoners of their environment and slaves to a way of thinking which is like poison.
When you grow up and everyone of enfluence you know is either a pimp or a hustler, what is the probability that an attorney will emerge from that environment. When you poison the minds of thousands that they do not belong nor are wanted. It makes raising above that very difficult. The %’s are miniscule that someone will be successful, plain and simple. Go to Manhattan and you’ll see that most of the people there think and act the same. Go to queens and yo’ll see the same affects from the environment. The rich know this alll tooo well.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
# chrisram73 Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Priest, your takes are cr@p! Don’t play the race card, it loses every time! As for the Raiders taking Clausen (or any other QB) or not, it is wishful thinking by true Raider fans who know Russell does not have the composition to be a winning QB. The whole idea of the draft gives fans hope for a better season. Hope for a new tomorrow. It is this hope that makes Raider fans wish for someone DIFFERENT leading the team at QB.
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Clausen would bring renewed energy and hope!
I wonder if the old man is picking Trestmans brain right now.
By the way….Trestman concentrated on more deeper routes for Clausen during his workout.
Everyone was impressed with Jimmy today, the crap about him and his attitude is BS coming from Notre Dame haters. If he would have played for USC or Florids everyone and their mother would be on his nuts.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Exactly.
Your future is determined by your own integrity and character.
You don’t have to be a doctor or attorney, be a plunber or electrician.
Be a responsible person not a disgrace.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Sweep The Leg. Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
How many white QB’s have played in the SB? how many have had a chance to even play?
It must be something like 5k to 100 so black QB’s are supposed to win as many SB as whites when they get 100x’s more opportunities. That’s sound about as white as it can get.
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OK racist, let’s say that we have had an even playing field since 2000.
White Qbs 9 SB wins.
Black Qbs 0 SB wins.
Why?
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DOUG WILLIAMS moron.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
I said since 2000, MORON!
April 9th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
The raiders didn’t have a scout there because they don’t want anyone to know they’re taking him. Davis is still a master at disguising his hand.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Sure sweeep, qualify and pigeon hole it to suit your BS.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Nnamdi21 it’s pointless trust me.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
I guess it is actually 10 to zero isn’t it. My bad
April 9th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Sweep The Leg. Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Exactly.
Your future is determined by your own integrity and character.
You don’t have to be a doctor or attorney, be a plunber or electrician.
Be a responsible person not a disgrace.
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Meaning your future will consist of domestics abuse and top ramen. MORON!
April 9th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
My point is to call out the real racists here.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Gotcha Priest!
April 9th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
MORON! lol
April 9th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
RAMEN!
April 9th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Priesttj
Its too hard for white focus to realize that there is a system that creates some focus to be lazy and responsible person. On the other hand, the focus who say that there is no opportunity for us cause we came from a bad environment are mistaken. There is always a path, it begins with the morals and ethics that your parents or role models gave you. When life is hard, you work harder, some choose the easy way out.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Why would you call a brother a moron?
Brother.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
Let’s analyze.
Who creates the system that keeps the blacks and other minorities beholden to the government?
Who creates programs that encourage the black man to keep smokin dope and procrate without responsibility?
The right? LOL.
No, The conservative says, create your own destiny,
The liberal says, listen to us, the government will take care of you. Keep voting for us.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
4eve,
you are seriously mistaken, no one is saying there is NO opportunity. I’m saying a lot of kids just don’t understand how to take it. Some give in to peer pressure some are just victims of circumstmces and some lack confidence. I’ve seen all of them. Some of the smartest people you’ll ever know are doing time iin prison. They just get caught in the game. Some never get a chance due to reson way beyond their control. Then you have the ones that just don’t give a damn because they feel it wont work anyway.
It’s extremely difficult to overcome all of those elements and become something. Most kids now days have just one parent. It’s a desparate situation and getting worse.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Clausen he is a gym rat and will put in the work…..unlike the cough syrup/alcohol drinkin Jamarcus Russell!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d8176e041/Clausen-interview
April 9th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Wow, what an impressive caucasian.
Certainly far more impressive than Jamarcus.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
It’s extremely difficult to overcome all of those elements and become something. Most kids now days have just one parent. It’s a desparate situation and getting worse.
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How is that the white mans fault?
April 9th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
# ghost to post Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
The raiders didn’t have a scout there because they don’t want anyone to know they’re taking him. Davis is still a master at disguising his hand.
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The Raiders “scout” who was at the Clausen workout was Marc Trestman himself!
April 9th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
I am guessing Mr. Priest is a little older and the racism he experienced as a young man is prob still fresh. So he is maybe a little quick to see it as the motiviation behinds peoples actions. I know that in my life time racism has come a long way for the better. I believe kids now a days do NOT see race the same way as the generation that preceded them. There will always be racists due to ignorance in people from all races. GO Raiders
April 9th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
LT DAN, This is a beef that goes way back with me and “Priest”.
He is a racist. I am a realist.
He hates whitey, I want everyone to just be an Amerian- not a African; Japanese; whatever American.
April 9th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d8176ec78/Lombardi-s-mock-draft-1-1
I like this mock.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:02 am
I don’t get the whole black/white QB thing. So the majority of QB’s are white…so what? Black players dominate the majority of the positions in the NFL. Maybe thats why you find more white QB’s. Over time, we will see more black QB’s as more try out for the position and succeed. No big deal.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:03 am
# Sweep The Leg. Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
You are a racist beyond all doubt.
Long ago you called me a racist because I said Jamarcus was awful, I asked you to show where I ever said anything racist at all.
You never have produced anything to prove your point. To call someone a racist in my opinion is a serious accusation.
I find great satisfaction in pointing out your remarks that definitly seem racially motivated to me.
My comments tonight were only to prove my point that YOU find racism in evrything. NOT ME!
It is football not the end of the world,
Just talk football.
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You lose, I win. buh-bye.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Clausen makes a whole lot of sense. Now if we pretend we’re not interested maybe buffalo or sf won’t trade up to get him. If he’s there we’re taking him and jadumbass will be gone.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:04 am
Sweep The Leg I agree with you we are all Americans. I think that perception the we are something/American is holding us back. Mr. Priest correct in saying that the difficulties of single parents, repetive(sp) cycle of poverty and good education for all kids is also keeping us from where we need to be. The GOV is not the answer though.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:06 am
IDK Ghost TO the Post we cant seem to draft a good QB only stabler being the exception. I think we need to go Dline or Oline or trade it for an established player ie Gaithers or Haynesworth
April 10th, 2010 at 12:10 am
Would Shanahan AND Bruce Allen trade Haynesworth to Al Davis? That would be an interesting talk.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:11 am
The top 2 DTs and OTs will be gone when we pick. We take the franchise QB or trade down. We need a QB. I say it’s Clausen.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:14 am
We go OG, C, or DT in round 2. Best available.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Ghost to post, who is the 2nd rated OT Bulaga or Williams? I would really like to have Williams at 8, or A.D. (Anthony Davis, saw someone use this abbreviation before lol) in the teens if Al knew how to trade down. Charles Brown would also be a nice pick later in the 1st.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:17 am
I am on the haynesworth to Raiders bandwagon. Someone here said he had character prob for kicking an opponent in the head but didnt ben davidson do the samething vs the chiefs? We were bad asses then. Imagine Seymour and Haynesworth on the same side! I wish Al would trade back but I cant remember him doing it. QB positoin needs open competiton and to add Campbell and FA or 7th round pick Levi Brown.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:22 am
how big is Haynesworth’s contract now? Would the skins really trade him after paying him $20 mil?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:25 am
IDK about the contract Guy. Rumors of the skins getting rid of him are on the usual media outlets. Not sure how serious they would be but it seems some of his teammates and shannarat wanna get rid of him. Plus I blieve he said he wanted to play in a 43 not sure if the skins are staying iwth their 34 or changing.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:28 am
Bulaga rated higher than Williams. Williams wouldn’t be a bad pick but I wouldn’t pass up a legit franchise QB to take him.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Skins are going 3-4. That’s why hanesworth wants out. He doesn’t want to be the nose guard in a 3-4. He’s definitely on the trading block. We might be able to get him on the cheap considering his contract. He’d make our d- line instantly formidable.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:39 am
I would rather see us trade for a bad azz then TRY and find one in the first round. Also trade for Gaithers and we have instantly made our lines a ton better with known talent. I would also like to see us get the qb levi brown my brother coached him in high school. Strong armed kid who will need time to develop
April 10th, 2010 at 12:59 am
Casserly hit on alot of points as to why Clausen may have an advantage over Bradford.
More pro ready playing in an NFL pro style offense and calling the protections and audibles, as to where Bradford did not play in a pro style offense and did not call the protections and audible as much.
Clausen 5 come from behind victories….Bradford has 1.
Clausen took over an offense that was ranked 100 or below and ended up improving the Irish offense into one of the top offenses in college football.
Once Clausen arrived at ND, the offense improved dramatically over the course of 3 seasons.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:27 am
Trade our 2nd for Haynesworth. Draft Dan Williams at #8. Stop the bleeding once and for all.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:56 am
Draft Mcclain, take J.Best in the second and draft o-linemen. Lets roll! Hopefully Russell can step it up. There is no way we draft a QB #8 after the Russell debacle thus far.
April 10th, 2010 at 2:18 am
I agree jmeds no qb in the first two rounds. we need to make the trenches a priority and that will make the entire team better. Stop opponents run and protect who ever is taking snaps at qb.
April 10th, 2010 at 2:39 am
Jeez somebody wake up
April 10th, 2010 at 3:48 am
Clayton is saying Haynesworth could be had for a second or third round pick. I saw we go for it. Maybe we can get some of that bad boy attitude back.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:30 am
I would love to see our d-line with Haynesworth, Kelly, Seymour, and Shaugnessy.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:15 am
“Clausen 5 come from behind victories, Bradford 1.”
That just goes to show how little thought some of these guys put into the things they say on television.
Bradford (not counting last year, because he didn’t play a full game) lost, what, three games in his entire career at Oklahoma? The year he won the Heisman OU set a single-season NCAA scoring record. Something tells me he didn’t have a problem driving his team down the field to score touchdowns.
Clausen played for freaking Notre Dame under Fat Charlie. He had 4th quarter comebacks against people like Navy, UConn and Purdue.
It amazes me that these TV guys get paid to be so stupid and unprepared.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:42 am
Someone i was discussing this with elsewhere made a very good point regarding the earlier debate….
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“I’d also like to bring to the table the fact of how a lot of (particularly black) college QBs become WRs at the higher level…which flows on from the athleticism argument. Julian Edelman from the Pats is a white example of this as well.
On the coaching, the whole setup is contradictory. High school coaches want to win games so they get ranked in the state, improves the coaches recruiting ability and prestige. College coaches want to win games so they get ranked, improves their recruiting ability and ability to coach at bigger schools. So the development system falls down overall where it’s not actually about development and allowing (particularly black) QBs to become pocket passers. If they’re more valuable at that time as a rushing QB, they will just always be allowed to do that.”
April 10th, 2010 at 7:11 am
its all about brains at qb in the nfl.priest must not know much about football.use the race factor when it is a real factor.clausen is smarter than russell today,and if i had a choice i would take clausen.i watched russell play at lsu,and i cried when they wasted the pick and the cash on priests favorite qb jamarcus.priest knows next to nothing about football…spare us the racial crap and post something that is worth reading.warren moon’s toenails have more brains and HEART than jamarcus.i wish i was wrong but i doubht it
April 10th, 2010 at 7:25 am
Good morning Raider Nation.
The last I heard, the Redskins were denying any interest in trading Albert. But, if Clayton is correct, and Big Albert could be had for a 2nd or even a 3rd, I’d like to see Al jump all over that. This young team still needs more veteran presence, and Haynesworth would bring back some old school Raider nastiness. Pairing him with Seymour, who has a bit of a mean streak himself could instantly make the run-D more formidable.
April 10th, 2010 at 7:49 am
Saw the Kirk Morrison interview with M. Wiley on Rome the other day. I Like Capt. Kirk. I think he is a heckova football player. He is a good guy, a good locker room guy, and he loves the Raiders and wants to be a Raider. And, I hope it’s not a case of don’t know what you’ve got, till it’s gone, but I want Kirk replaced as MLB of the Oakland Raiders.
The main reason I want him replaced at MLB is what you saw during the interview. Kirk Morrison is just too damn nice. I want a MLB with a bit of a hard edge to him. A Ray Lewis type, who is going to set the tone and tempo for the defense. I want a linebacker who doesn’t just want to just make the tackle, but who wants to inflict pain and suffering on the opposition. A MLB who tries to break the opponents will to compete. I want a linebacker who carries a big azz 2×4 and isn’t afraid to swing it.
Brandon Spikes from Florida could be that guy. Especially if he slides to the 3rd Rd. The guy is big and physical. He seems to have some nastiness to him. Hell he tried to gouge an opponents eyes ala Lester Hayes. So what if he ran a disapointing 40. How many times have we complained about the current roster having too many speedsters and not enough football players.
I’d like to see this guy playing behind a line of Big Albert and Seymour. Add a little more of Mike Mitchell’s physicality from the secondary, and bingo Run-D fixed.
April 10th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Here is how the rest of the offseason would proceed in my dream/best case scenario.
Trade the Raiders 2nd to Wash for big Albert.
Hope someone becomes enamored with Clausen and trades up to eight. Giving up their mid 1st and a 2nd.
Trade the newly acqired 2 to Balt. for RT Jared Gaither.
With the mid 1st draft either C Pouncey, OR my guy Mike Iupati to replace aging Cooper Carlisle with a nasty road grader at RG.
With the 3rd Rd pick, MLB Brandon Spikes, for reasons stated in earlier post.
Hope C Samson Satele’s shoulder is healthy, and he shows up with 15 lb. of added muscle.
Finally, and most importantly, hope Jamarcus clicks with new OC Hue Jackson, and is motivated to shake his bust label and work hard to fulfill his immense potential.
Sounds too good to be true? Hope not.
April 10th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Well, I’m off to run a few errands with the family. Hope to be back later. Haven’t been able to post much lately, and kinda missed it.
Enjoy your Saturday, gentleman.
April 10th, 2010 at 8:54 am
Buckeye et al.,
one thing’s for certain, the fact that Haynesworth is doing everything he can to antagonize Shanarat is being enjoyed by AD. whether that becomes a trade, quien sabe?
“…work hard to fufill his immense potential.”
your choice of words Buckeye has me laughing. Immense is definitely a word to describe Jafranchise. He seems to fulfill that effortlessly. And his potential to be come even more of an immensity…that shouldn’t take too much hard work at all.
April 10th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Buckeye,
Not trying to crush any dreams, but I can’t see the Skins taking anything less than a 1st for Albert. Even if it isn’t for this year, they will get a 1st for him or just keep him.
Baltimore said they floated the trade rumors to motivate Gaither and he is actually not on the block.
And Al doesn’t trade down in the first.
Sadly, too good to be true.
But Spikes in the 3rd, certainly likely and I would love it!!
April 10th, 2010 at 8:57 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWWfnKoQe8Y&feature=related
Let’s just hope it doesn’t take until week 10 to get this guy back on the field and winning games for us.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Since Cable took over from Kiffin we have made solid personnel decisions. Yes DHB was a good move and will pay dividends.
It should be obvious we are focusing on high value players.
We have gotten rid of every high priced under performer with the exception of Kelly.A good young DT next to him will energize the entire front four.
Warren was a pathetic waste and I called his realease a year ago almost to the day it happened.
JR is not getting $9 mill this year. It has already been negotiated down to $3.5Mill. He will not get any more anywhere else and we are already committed to $3Mill. If he steps oof track at all he will be cut.
We will draft in this order:
OT DT ILB or OG. After that we will get a QB and best athlete available.
There will be NO trades for retreads like McNabb, Haynesworth etc. Anybody who even suggests it can not be noticing what the Raiders have done over the past two years.(Seymour is a high character guy-Haynesworth is a fat slob).
Those days are over.
We will build through the draft bringing in high character players.
Cable has done a great job and this draft will start us back to winning.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:08 am
An explanation to my earlier DHB comment:
I was dead set against picking a WR in the first round and I always will be until a solid foundation along the line and at QB is in place.
That being said DHB is a high character kid with enormous potential.
Did we reach too much last year? Yes. I do believe he will contribute. As I predicted last year a first round WR pick will not help the Raiders much until 2011 AFTER we get a solid OLINE in place.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:10 am
We will draft in this order:
OT DT ILB or OG.
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Has Al ever done anything like that?
He will draft a RB and/or DB in the first 3 rounds, IMO.
He will look very hard at Tebow if he is there at #39, and I wouldn’t be suprised if he took him. Same with Javhid Best.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Solid personnel decisions? Uh, ok.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:12 am
For the 8th year in a row….STOP the run!!!
Draft to stop the run for once in your bat s#!+ crazy life, Al!!!
It’s the corner stone for what’s wrong with every team for 8 years!!!
April 10th, 2010 at 9:13 am
# GG Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 6:42 am
Someone i was discussing this with elsewhere made a very good point regarding the earlier debate….
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“I’d also like to bring to the table the fact of how a lot of (particularly black) college QBs become WRs at the higher level…which flows on from the athleticism argument. Julian Edelman from the Pats is a white example of this as well.
On the coaching, the whole setup is contradictory. High school coaches want to win games so they get ranked in the state, improves the coaches recruiting ability and prestige. College coaches want to win games so they get ranked, improves their recruiting ability and ability to coach at bigger schools. So the development system falls down overall where it’s not actually about development and allowing (particularly black) QBs to become pocket passers. If they’re more valuable at that time as a rushing QB, they will just always be allowed to do that.”
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You hit it right on the head regarding high school coaches.
My old high school coach Craig Ashmore at Newark Memorial High has taken his teams to the state championships twice in 5 years.
This was unheard of for Newark ten years ago and the reason why is that Ashmore learned that he will need to recruit as many 6′4 and above players as possible to compete and he started recruiting black players from Oakland, Hayward, San Leandro, East Palo Alto so he can improve the program. Much like what James Logan High started doing in the 80’s
April 10th, 2010 at 9:15 am
Charlie,
What about Barnes and Walker looking to be new starters along the right side?
That is a 40% overhaul of last years line, and Satele should be closer to 100% and Bob hopefully can play more than 5 games.
I wouldn’t be suprised if we didn’t take an O-lineman until the 4th round or so. Brandon Carter in round 4 and Ramon Harewood in the 6th or 7th.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:15 am
# RaiderTW Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 9:12 am
For the 8th year in a row….STOP the run!!!
Draft to stop the run for once in your bat s#!+ crazy life, Al!!!
It’s the corner stone for what’s wrong with every team for 8 years!!!
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More POWER and NASTINESS needs to be added to the middle of both LINES!
April 10th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Yeah, I too like DHB because he’s a high character guy. Guys like that often become successful. It’s like that saying you see hung on walls at barber shops, about how the world is full of talented people who never made it because they didn’t have the dedication.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:20 am
In the clip in #142, they show DHB in practicing catching the ball beautifully and effortlessly with his hands.
I said from last year, I believe DHB will have the best NFL career out of our “triplets”.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:21 am
In and updated mock…Lomabardi had the Raiders taking T Williams at #8. Like seeing that and Charles Davis said that would be a great pick for the Raiders.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:24 am
That would be wild if the Raiders take T Williams, being that the Oakland Raiders were the ONLY NFL team not to attend Oklahoma’s pro-day.
Didn’t want to tip his hand maybe?? Seems like a stretch.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:28 am
DHB has never dominated at ANY level. He may be a good guy and that is important but I saw nothing last year that would lead me to believe he can succeed in the NFL. He has the tools theres no doubt but whens the last time the Raiders have taken a guy with “tools” and made him into a good player??
April 10th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Vegas…
Agree with you about our triplets and DHB.
I think McFadden can already be written-off as a RB, either convert him to WR or trade him for a draft pick to acquire an OLmen/LB/DLmen.
I liked McFadden a lot but I thought Felix Jones was the better pure ball-carrier out of the two. Jones’ pre-draft film show-cased he had a good center of balance, and was very good in traffic juking and making cuts, whereas McFadden relied more on a one-cut and blazing by safeties beyond the hole. I liked the McFadden pick at the time, but in hindsight I’m about ready to give up. If he could stay healthy the whole year and our OL could punch big holes, maybe we see better out of him, but I think relying too much on the OL overstates his values. A better RB is someone who can create space beyond the LOS, break tackles, juke, etc.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Vegas
Al has done it. Just too long ago.
Gene Upshaw was a first rounder.
So was Leon Bender (died tragically) D. Russell, Buckowski, C Mcglockton ,Gallery etc.
We are getting back to our roots.
The Raiders always had strong line play and we got off track for a variety of reasons.
The line play we have seen for the last seven years is disgusting and it is why we have been losing.
Pure and simple.
Build the lines and the wins follow. It was true in the 60’s and still holds true today.
I have said it last year and I was proven correct.
Get all the high profile skill guys you want.
Without solid line play you lose.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:36 am
An NFL RB should break a handful of tackles every Sunday.
I don’t know if McFadden broke a handful of tackles all last year. I have never seen him run past someone, and have seen him caught from behind a few times (once by a LB).
3rd down, change of pace back, who gets 60-70 catches is his ceiling, IMO. I liked Jerry Mac’s Ronnie Harmon analogy. That is how we should use him to get the most out of him.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Dmac is alot like Clarence Davis and Charlie Smith back in the day.
Give this guy some blocking and he can be a terrific weapon.
He is a solid football player.
We need to build our Oline.
Everybody knows Walker, Barnes, Pears were stop gaps.
That was not Cable’s choice but we did not have any other options. Build the lines this year and I guarantee we will win .
April 10th, 2010 at 9:40 am
I have said it last year and I was proven correct.
Get all the high profile skill guys you want.
Without solid line play you lose.
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We can do this dance all day, but care to wonder when the last time a Super Bowl team started a 1st round pick on the O-line that they selected?
6 years. (Walter Jones Seattle)
Build the lines through the middle rounds, and get elite play-makers. What the Saints, Steelers, Colts did.
Again, I just feel this way about the O-line. D-line is a completely different story, and the 2nd most important position on the field behind QB, IMO.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:44 am
The Steelers and Colts have combined for exactly 2 Offensive lineman drafted in the 1st or 2nd in THE LAST TEN YEARS IN THE DRAFT.
Each has a 1st round QB and TE, Colts draft RB’s in the first round 2 of the last 4 years , Steelers draft a WR in round 1 or 2 almost every year.
Packers worst part of the offense is their O-line. They were a top 5 offense. Same goes with the Cardinals-Steelers Super Bowl, where the O-line was easily the weak link of those offenses.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:45 am
I agree with Vegas again about building the OL thru the middle/late rounds.
You don’t HAVE TO all the time, but generally speaking, that’s a common and successful policy. There’s a ton of perfect NFL-ready specimens/measurables in the late rounds that only need coaching technique.
Why we gotta get ourselves a RB and QB at the top, LB/DL thru the middle, and OL thru the middle/late rounds.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Just we need to pick better at the top, where Al gets carried away insisting on HIS choices there. He might end up okay with DHB that he insisted on, but he messed up the Russell pick in the worst way, and McFadden is headed that way if he has a bad year again.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Seriously, the Raiders have a much higher than normal draft selection on their O-line.
Bob was a 1st rounder, Satele a 2nd, Langston a 2nd, and Mario a 3rd.
Take out the Jets and Vikings, and I can’t find another team with higher selections on their cumultative O-line.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Gotta run…..I will pick it up later
April 10th, 2010 at 9:50 am
The Packers and Steelers gave up alot of sacks, IMO, is due to their QB’s hanging on to the ball too long. There were a few analysts that made this claim last year. Both Rodgers and Ben are notorious for not getting rid of the ball.
The Raiders should just use McFadden as a 3rd down back and change of pace guy. He’s perfect for the role.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:53 am
I don’t give a flying crud what round an O-linemen is selected.
Every round would be fine by me.
Get some big uglies!
O-line in ‘010!
April 10th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Aig,
so, you hope that the team’s RB with the least ball security is their 3rd down back?
has he learned blitz pick-up as well?
I must be missing something, ah yeah, faith that DMc is an actual NFL calibre RB.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:59 am
McFadden evolving into a Reggie Bush would end up a bit of “bust” pick like Reggie was. Drafting a #2 or #4 overall player for a part-time role, what a waste.
Same can be said about a LT going #2 that ends up having to be salvaged as an OG.
Bush in the end was instrumental in the Saints SB run this year, and Cable was a big reason why our offense has been pathetic. I mean, even McFadden had to come up with and push him to call a fake hand-off toss against KC. That’s how unsuitable Cable is as a play-caller—he has no FEELING for it. Hopefully Hue Jackson takes a leaf out of Payton’s book.
But I’d still rather have a Jamar Chaney MLB in the 2nd than holding onto a McFadden bit-part player.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Damn!
Polands military and political hierarchy decimated.
Friggin crazy!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_russia_plane_crash
April 10th, 2010 at 10:07 am
New Season ticket sales are NON existent right now….and season ticket holders are not renewing because they are pissed at old man Al and Juggs Russell.
Since it is obvious that the looney old man is not going anywhere until he dies…..Juggs needs to restructure down that 6.5 million or be CUT and on the first day of the draft…if Clausen is there at #8, the old man needs to either pick him or TRADE the heck DOWN to get more picks in a deep draft.
Clausen learning and competing with a tough competitor like Grads would be a good thing and Clausen being coached by Hue Jackson and Paul Hackett would also be a good thing!
April 10th, 2010 at 10:09 am
This draft is stacked with good prospects right thru the 7 rounds. I definitely think we should consider trading players for extra picks, and trading down here and there thru various rounds.
The worst thing would be imo to trade up and trade away picks for some players, and only end up drafting like 2 or 3 players.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:13 am
TW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What’s up bro? Com Con in 3 months.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Raiders havent drafted anybody in the first round worth a crap in 5 years. Whats wrong with trading for vets who can play instead of try and guess right. Haynesworth/Gaithers are big uglies who can play not a retreds. I for one have no confidence in our number one pick being used wisely. DHB is a poor player, you can either catch or you cant. The BEST we can hope for is a james jett type of player.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:28 am
The killer woke before dawn,
he put his boots on…..
Lizard King! How’s it going? We’re going to stay in San Diego for a day or 2 also! Lookin’ forward to seeing you.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:28 am
We do have a recent record of trading picks away for vets that didnt help. D.Hall, R.Moss, for example.
It’s no certainty either, especially when most vets are older and looking to win a SB before they retire, and also wanting to avoid Oakland.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Guess thats true as well gg. I thought both of those trades would work out. We need help bad on both lines and it looks like we are set on doing nothing about it again
April 10th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Maybe if we trade for vets who’ve already won SBs then maybe that would work out better lol.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:36 am
R.Seymour being a good start if we can sign him long-term.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:37 am
We tried that with the DB from dallas back in the late 90s and he sucked bad i forget his name. He had several picks in the SB but they went straight to him he didnt have to make a play on the ball at all.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:41 am
I liked him coming here but I wish they would sign him to a long term deal as well. Hate to see the tag being placed on him year after year
April 10th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Lonetree,
Usually a good 3rd back is someone who can catch coming out of the backfield. That back is usally smaller and much more agile than the primary back. I think Dmac’s a very underrated receiver. If you put Bush as the primary back and have Dmac comes in on throwing downs, then we have a good combination. Is there a LB out there that can keep up with Dmac coming out of the backfield? I’m much more comfy giving a screen/dumpoff to Dmac than a handoff to him.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Because of the way Al has given Oakland a bad recent reputation as a vet-hell, then one can only hope he pulls his head out of his butt and wakes up to himself making changes necessary to reverse that reputation.
Haynesworth would be a good acquisition for a team not called Oakland, or if we could be sure he’d come here with passion, but he seems like he’d clock off and collect his paycheck once the typical behind-the-scenes Raider stuff starts happening this season.
I just agree that with such a deep draft class, this is the year to really stock up picks, trade off some dead-wood players, and try to reinvigorate the entire roster with new faces—especially if we can focus on high character guys and players who want to win (like Murphy for instance).
April 10th, 2010 at 10:57 am
A lot of us have been beating up on Al Davis for the past 7 years but here is a quick summary of who was drafted in the first round and what the analysts thought at the time.
2009 3 7 DHB – Everyone considered him a mid-first round but a reach at #7.
2008 #4 Darren McFadden RB – He was rated as a top back by most analysts and taking him at #4 was not considered a reach by a lot of folks.
2007 #1 JaMarcus Russell QB – A lot of analysts thought he was the next Elway, even Mayock. Very few people thought he was a reach at the time.
2006 #7 Michael Huff S – highly rated safety coming out of college. Was not a reach at the 7 spot.
2005 #23 Fabian Washington CB – considered a reach.
2004 #2 Robert Gallery OT – Concensus top rated LT and supposed to be pro-bowlers for years to come.
2003 #31 Nnamdi Asomugha DB – Reach
2003 #32 Tyler Brayton DE – Reach
the point is out of 4 guys considered a reach, 1 was an all-pro (nammdi) and DHB is looking like a bust for now but we should give him 2 more years.
The rest of the draftpicks were exactly where analysts rated where they should go. It’s because they have not worked out that everyone is beating Al up over it. I think he has been as crazy as we thought.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:00 am
—correction…I meant to say he has NOT been as crazy as we seem to think.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:02 am
When we look at who we passed up for a lot of those picks too, it makes you sick. I know it’s easy in hindsight, but im sure there were a lot of fans and Raider coaches at the time who were on the right track but then Al ignored them.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Shaughnessey D Williams Kelly Seymour
This D Line is gonna allow our lb’s and safeties to roam and Wimbley and Scott to bring pressure resulting in picks, sacks and chaos!
D Will with the first pick
April 10th, 2010 at 11:08 am
GG,
I agree with ou that we passed on some good players. I feel that passing on Petersen have put us back a few years. However, the point is Al didnt draft as crazy as we all make him out to be. I think the busting of 2007-2009 picks is making us feel that way but JR and McFadden were highly rated to go where they were by just about everyone.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:09 am
One area where Al has been crazy is that he has willfully ignored the linemen for too many years. You see teams like Eagles, Steelers, etc, drafting 3-4 linemen per draft, increasing the standard of their OL, whereas Al has been focusing too much on DBs, 3-4 per draft. And in all that time, who have we really SCORED out of it? Just Asomugha and Branch of late.
It’s similar with the Vikings/Steelers/etc drafting 3-4 linemen a season, some of them dont pan out, but linemen are fundamental and DBs are a lot harder work given we’re so man-heavy. Having great DBs is great, but the neglect of the OL and the DT/MLB positions (run D) have bitten us harder than the benefit we got out of the DBs we scored.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:13 am
# aig Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 10:57 am
A lot of us have been beating up on Al Davis for the past 7 years but here is a quick summary of who was drafted in the first round and what the analysts thought at the time.
2009 3 7 DHB – Everyone considered him a mid-first round but a reach at #7.
2008 #4 Darren McFadden RB – He was rated as a top back by most analysts and taking him at #4 was not considered a reach by a lot of folks.
2007 #1 JaMarcus Russell QB – A lot of analysts thought he was the next Elway, even Mayock. Very few people thought he was a reach at the time.
2006 #7 Michael Huff S – highly rated safety coming out of college. Was not a reach at the 7 spot.
2005 #23 Fabian Washington CB – considered a reach.
2004 #2 Robert Gallery OT – Concensus top rated LT and supposed to be pro-bowlers for years to come.
2003 #31 Nnamdi Asomugha DB – Reach
2003 #32 Tyler Brayton DE – Reach
the point is out of 4 guys considered a reach, 1 was an all-pro (nammdi) and DHB is looking like a bust for now but we should give him 2 more years.
The rest of the draftpicks were exactly where analysts rated where they should go. It’s because they have not worked out that everyone is beating Al up over it. I think he has been as crazy as we thought.
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Shut up, you babbling sorryass wife beater.
You took a ton of crap for your idiot handle AlisGod, so you changed it to Aig..which still means moron.
DHB was one of the DUMBEST PICKS OF ALL TIME…all time…from any team in the NFL, considering what was on the table, and you defend that? that’s because you’re a moron, an admitted wife beating moron.
McFadden? another IDIOT choice by Al. Team had 5 needs, and running back WASN’T one of them. McFadden was listed as a fumbling, easily falls down back…AND THAT’S WHAT HE STILL IS…was an idiot choice by Al.
Russell was viewed as an under achiever. Who dogged it in college. Who got benched in college because he was a lazy ass. Was picked because of his rocket arm, that has zero control.
EACH OF THE LAST THREE PICKS ARE BEING LABELED AS MASSIVE BUSTS..and yet you, with your hero worship of the old man, defends THREE BUSTS? LOL…you are a spineless little man aren’t you? (oh, that’s right, you admitted to that as well)
Gallery…ANOTHER FIRST ROUND BUST. When you’re picked that high, given that high a contract, then can’t hack it as tackle, and end up as guard? MEANS YOU BUSTED OUT..
Washington..a bust.
Bad news for ya, wifebeating (I cross the street because those groups of guys SCARE ME SO MUCH where I live)coward..Al has screwed up big time..
Now take your head out of his ass, coward.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:14 am
You have to hold AD accountable he made the picks and they didnt pan out. Otherwise we could let kiper make our first round picks for us. That way we could always say we did what the analysts thought was correct.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:14 am
here is what I think happened.
Ryan convinced Al convinced that Kelly was going to be a superstar. So Al dolled big money to Kelly and then he was stuck with waiting for Kelly to improve. At least that’s my take on the Dline.
As for the Oline, there’s no excuse there. The only thing I can think of is Cable somehow told Al he can make the current roster works. Al was successful with a veteran freeagent line during the Gannon years and he tried the same with Kwame harris and that didnt work out. Most local writers seem to think it was Cable that vouched for Kwame.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:16 am
# aig Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:00 am
—correction…I meant to say he has NOT been as crazy as we seem to think.
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No, the ONLY thing you said that was right was that ‘Al HAS been as crazy as we thought”.
Leave it to you to not grasp it, wife beater.
Tell us again how you back handed her across the mouth, Aig, adding how “she deserved it, even though I was an unemployed stay at home Dad, and she didn’t want that”
April 10th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Jeez I am new to the blog apparantly there is a lot of history here.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:19 am
# aig Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:14 am
here is what I think happened.
Ryan convinced Al convinced that Kelly was going to be a superstar. So Al dolled big money to Kelly and then he was stuck with waiting for Kelly to improve. At least that’s my take on the Dline.
As for the Oline, there’s no excuse there. The only thing I can think of is Cable somehow told Al he can make the current roster works. Al was successful with a veteran freeagent line during the Gannon years and he tried the same with Kwame harris and that didnt work out. Most local writers seem to think it was Cable that vouched for Kwame.
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Ahh….NOT AL…everyone BUT Al?
Kwame Harris was a COMPLETE BUST in SF. LED THE LEAGUE in penalties in SF. Was beat out in training camp by Staley, and benched for the year.
Al always picked up ex niners, ever since the Niners took over the bay, and Harris was just another idiot pick by your hero Al…where Harris STILL LEAD THE LEAGUE IN PENALTIES.
Now shut up.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Rackoshyt,
I usually ignore your rant but I will help you understand my points. I realize you have trouble reading.
1. “2009 3 7 DHB – Everyone considered him a mid-first round but a reach at #7.” – translation. What part of my writing said I was defending him. I believe the word “Reach” is written there. Was I lying when I said he was considered a mid-first?
2. The point of the article is that out of the last 8 years, Al took 4 reaches in the first round. 1 guy panned out and the other 3 have not. The point is 50% of the time he took guys that were slotted where they would go.
3. We are not talking hindsight here you Reek-a-idiot. We are talking taking players where they were pegged to go.
4. AlisGod as a name doesnt work with the admin here. So I created AIG. If I wanted to hide, I would have created an idiot name like Rack-of-chihuahua…woof woof.
Sincerely,
AlisGod.
Happy now!
April 10th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Put it this way…
Al is the football genius, we’re only armchair GMs. But we’ve been screaming about it for years. And I bet the world, just as an experiment, that if we had say 8 picks in this draft, and we did nothing but draft 4 OLmen, 2 true NTs, 2 LBs, and went with our current skill players — gradkowski, mcfadden, bush, dhb, murphy — that the Raiders would immediately go from 5-11 to 10-6.
If we did that for a couple more years, 3 OLmen per draft, and just topping up skill positions at QB, RB, DB with the top picks in 2011, 2012, that we’d have a continuity of .500 or above seasons.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Lots of history? lol…well…to update…back when Cable was charged with beating his wife, Aig, then AlisGod, stated he saw nothing wrong with that.
That he has routinely beat his wife.
When called on it his reply was “Well, she deserved it. And her family probably wanted me to do it more, because she was going out partying”
Aig also added how he was proud to be unemployed, staying at home, while the wife worked (Like Kell)
Oh..and don’t forget, Aig, to explain your “I abhor confrontations. I tell my “women” to just cross the street with me, and avoid anyone”
When called on that, lol, the explanation was “Hey, these guys are scary. I live in a bad area of town, and I’m not going to get my ass kicked”.
Hence the “coward”. lol
did I leave anything out, Aig?
April 10th, 2010 at 11:27 am
# LT DAN Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Jeez I am new to the blog apparantly there is a lot of history here.
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Dont worry about the history and grudges between others, just keep posting your thoughts and remaining calm and you’ll find plenty of people (like me) who’ll read your comments and respond with good debate/discussion.
Ie, just keep up the good work.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:29 am
GG,
Again, I strongly believe that not drafting AP has created a bad domino effect on our team for 3 years.
Because we drafted Jawalrus, we had to take a receiver and RB to support him. Had we drafted AP, we would had the flexibility to draft other needed spots the last 2 years. Because Al took JR, he had to be committed to giving JR every chance to be successful rather than addressng other positions. i think this is the year we finally address sorely need positions in the Lines. I say that only because I cannot fathom another WR, QB, or RB being taken this year.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Thanks for update. Cant say I agree with beating my wife. A priest was on early this morning and he was in an argument about racism. Guess all topics are included here and not just Raiders football.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:32 am
DMAC- is not Adrian Peterson but with better play calling and good health he’s gonna make big plays this year and we don’t need him to be an every down guy because we have Bush
Gallery- not a left tackle but ask Minnesota if having a solid Guard helps
Kelly- overpaid but this guy has a ridiculous amount of tackles for a DT and he puts pressure on the qb even if he only had one sack last year
Huff- always has been good in coverage became a much better tackler and overall solid performer for us last year
DHB- too soon to tell but I think this was the worst selection of the bunch
Russell- the guy who everyone said looked like Elway at his pro day and the consensus #1 QB in that years draft is the biggest bust because of the position he plays, can’t blame Al for this one
April 10th, 2010 at 11:33 am
What we have to do is somehow get Al get back to being TURNED-ON by linemen with measurables, as opposed to DBs/RBs/WRs with measurables. Where instead of him getting infatuated with a WR who runs 4.30, he gets turned on by an interior lineman who can bench 30 reps.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Rackoshyt,
I usually ignore your rant but I will help you understand my points. I realize you have trouble reading.
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Richochet: No, what you mean to say is I made roadkill of you the last time you borrowed that skanks balls, and tried to defend yourself, and realized coward suits you well, tucked tail, and went to shallow end of pool.
Not like you have a choice, is it?
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1. “2009 3 7 DHB – Everyone considered him a mid-first round but a reach at #7.” – translation. What part of my writing said I was defending him. I believe the word “Reach” is written there. Was I lying when I said he was considered a mid-first?
RICHOCHET: Was I lying when I stated their were 3 BETTER CHOICES STILL ON THE BOARD? Of ALL THE WR’S picked, Bey is by far the worst. And he was picked at #7 where even HE was surprised. Was an idiot choice, and you’re a bigger idiot for stating it, much less defending it.
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2. The point of the article is that out of the last 8 years, Al took 4 reaches in the first round. 1 guy panned out and the other 3 have not. The point is 50% of the time he took guys that were slotted where they would go.
RICHOCHET: you dumbass..Raiders had the #6 rushing attack the year before McFumble was drafted…RUNNING BACK WASN’T A NEED…get it?
Seriously…DO YOU GET THAT FACT? raiders had lots of needs before a skinny, fumbling, easily falls down RB.
50% of time? a 100% OF TIME HE CHOOSE THE WRONG NEED..
makes him slow, and makes you a moron.
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3. We are not talking hindsight here you Reek-a-idiot. We are talking taking players where they were pegged to go.
RICHOCHET: They WEREN’T PEGGED TO GO THERE, WifeBeater. Especially Bey, Huff, Gallery..and your “GOD” AL has made some of the worst draft choices in the history of the NFL in the last 5 years..yet…because he’s your “GOD” you run these silly defending posts of his head up ass decisions.
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4. AlisGod as a name doesnt work with the admin here. So I created AIG. If I wanted to hide, I would have created an idiot name like Rack-of-chihuahua…woof woof.
Richochet: In other words, they banned your ass BECAUSE OF YOUR CROSS POSTING, which I caught you on, lol…you fool.
Also..you got laughed at so much for your “Al is God” handle, even you realized it was stupid.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Richocheet
Is a angry little troll on the outside of life. Don’t worry about him, Aig.
Dude is terribly unhappy.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:41 am
ahh….sailing on the good ship 2983
April 10th, 2010 at 11:41 am
KK,
Thanks brother. I think of Ricky Rick as our resident little Chihuahua…
If you ever walk by your neighbor’s house, the first thing it does is bark.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:41 am
# aig Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:29 am
GG,
Again, I strongly believe that not drafting AP has created a bad domino effect on our team for 3 years.
Because we drafted Jawalrus, we had to take a receiver and RB to support him. Had we drafted AP, we would had the flexibility to draft other needed spots the last 2 years. Because Al took JR, he had to be committed to giving JR every chance to be successful rather than addressng other positions. i think this is the year we finally address sorely need positions in the Lines. I say that only because I cannot fathom another WR, QB, or RB being taken this year.
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Peterson or Joe Thomas. But i dont think it started then, it started far back than that. The infatuation with 3-4 DBs per draft instead of linemen.
You’d think too that acquiring a $40m QB the key need immediately is bolstering the OL (3-4 picks per draft) starting with a franchise LT.
The thing is I also agree with Ricochet’s harsh post ^^^ about how Russell WAS red-flagged yet Al STILL put a big arm above all else. About how McFadden WAS scouted as a fumbling faller yet Al STILL put 40 time ahead of OL and need. About how DHB was scouted as poor route runner and catcher but Al STILL put 40 time ahead of OL and need.
All the while this is his $40m QB being frittered away behind a bad OL. Look at someone like Derrick Mason, he’s one of the best WRs in the league, that’s all Al had to do to help Russell—-OL to protect, NT/MLB to stop the run to allow offense to stay in the game, and some good reliable WRs to help JR.
Dont get me wrong here—JR is a bust and should be cut. But just pointing out the poor train of thought and GENERAL MANAGING by Al thru these years.
Armchair GMs > Al.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Exactly.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:42 am
DHB is no bust . there is no wide reciever in the history of the nfl that could have played well with jruss at quarterback , no running game, and a beat up o line.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Little Chihuahua,
I’m glad I was able to make you feel better about yourself. You caught me. Darn. You are sooooo goood. Woof Woof.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Its only a deep draft because analysts say so. I would rather us trade away the first pick for a quality under contract vet. I think AD is gonna draft campbell and we will all be regretting it in a couple years
April 10th, 2010 at 11:44 am
# LT DAN Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Thanks for update. Cant say I agree with beating my wife. A priest was on early this morning and he was in an argument about racism. Guess all topics are included here and not just Raiders football.
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Priest is a bitter old man.
He got especially bitter when many here heard his calling in to the Raider post game show. Got laughed at by many for his stumbling, bumbling ebonics challenged ghetto rambles, most that made no sense, and almost all that was hard to even understand.
Made JR sound bright when he speaks. That’s no joke.
You pick any take of someone talking, slurring their words, with the ‘I’s think we’s all needs to jus giv jaaamahhhcus a’s chance”. and it will sound clearer than priest.
Even the hosts laugh at him..and each week? They hang up on him, with a “uh..ok…thanks for that priest”.
If someone questions JR? It’s because you’re a racist.
If you questioned McCown? It’s because he sucked.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:45 am
hen , check it out. we do have to blame our ( farm system ) lol. why can teams like atlanta develop crappy guys like roddy white and have matt ryan lookin pro bowlish and our rookies just stay stuck in the mud. i mean , peyton manning had austin collie and sum white dude lookin like greats last season. austin collie woulda looked horrible in oakland.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:46 am
SATANFEARS ALDAVIS Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:42 am
DHB is no bust . there is no wide reciever in the history of the nfl that could have played well with jruss at quarterback , no running game, and a beat up o line.
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Louis Murphy did.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:47 am
# aig Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Little Chihuahua,
I’m glad I was able to make you feel better about yourself. You caught me. Darn. You are sooooo goood. Woof Woof.
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Didn’t I guarantee you’re cowardly ass would tuck tail, and wave that white flag?
Was I wrong?
Of course not..you admitted to being a coward.
You admitted to beating your wife.
You admitted to believing Al is God.
You admitted to being unemployed, staying at home while the “new” wife worked.
And I admitted to taking the time to point out you’re a joke of a man.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:47 am
GG,
Last year, I would find myself arguing against KK and Dakota and others for being too tough on Al. However, I’m much more realistic after the 2009 season and how Al hung on to Jawalrus too long. Jawalrus’ attitude broke my faith in Al.
I agree that both McFadden and JR were very risky picks. I never thought that McFadden was anything special. I believe outside of the QB and WR positions, a low center of gravity is vital to any other football positions. McFadden is all built up top but no legs.
However, my point to the original draft history post was that out of the last 8 years, he took reaches 50% of the time and the 50% he took players that were pegged to go in their slots by most analysts.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Football is won along the line of scrimmage.
Has been and always will be.
There is not a QB around that does not look silly w/o good protection. Everything starts on the line. Period.
It is true you can find probowl talent in any round of the draft.
The odds are OBVIOUSLY better in the higher rounds.
That is what we need to do and what we will do.
Anyone who knows the Raiders knows we have done it many times in the past.
Anybody who cites a WINNING team not drafting lineman in the early rounds has ignored the FACT THEY ALREADY HAVE A STRONG LINE. DUH!!!
The Raiders line play stinks!!!!!
We do not have the option of drafting the next Reggie White in the seventh round.
Cable has cleaned up the crap and we draft lineman in the first two rounds this year.
Guaranteed.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:49 am
louis murphy had 4 good games.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Actually, little Chihuahua,
My new wife is ten years younger and currently studying to be a doctor. We’re currently living off of my savings and her student loans, while I tend to our 2 year old son.
I’m glad you asked. I’m quite proud of her and will be very proud when she graduates next year.
I’m so bad that I actually got to marry a future doctor. I know.
Woof Woof.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:51 am
I love it when I get my little slapped on toys to rush to each other for support.
Seymour/Oakglen, MR, Kelli…lol…all can’t stand each other, but when I slap on them, they rush into each others arms, almost giddy that they have a support group.
And now Aig and Kelli rush to do the same
Told you…I’m good.
Hey Mikey…how’s business?
Oh wait…oh damn…like Aig…you also STAY AT HOME WHILE THE WIFE WORKS.
Difference is AIG admitted it..almost bragged about it.
You?
This is where you PRETEND YOU CAN’T READ IT, AND HOPE IF YOU DON’T COMMENT ON IT, NO ONE WILL BELIEVE IT..lol
But they do
So…how’s that property going?
If I check on Kane and Associates, Alameda website, what will I see, Kelly? lol…
April 10th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Reekocheet
You are a jealous angry loser.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Reekocheet
You bag groceries, and think it’s utterly impossible to have success in life.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:53 am
# aig Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Actually, little Chihuahua,
My new wife is ten years younger and currently studying to be a doctor. We’re currently living off of my savings and her student loans, while I tend to our 2 year old son.
I’m glad you asked. I’m quite proud of her and will be very proud when she graduates next year.
I’m so bad that I actually got to marry a future doctor. I know.
Woof Woof.
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LIAR.
Didn’t you comment the other day about your massive tax bracket you were in?
WELL, LIAR???
A coward…a wife beater..and a liar.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:54 am
okay okay. al isnt a god per se. he is a demi-god. forged from the dark shadows of silver and black heaven. where all ex raiders and real raider fans go when they die. its true. wikipedia says so .
April 10th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Reekocheet
You can’t see the possibilities of life outside your mom’s basement, can you?
April 10th, 2010 at 11:58 am
glad you asked little Chihuahua.
I was formerly an owner of a small lending firm specializing in subprime mortgage. From 2004 to 2007, I was in the max tax bracket and yeah we lived like rockstars. Subprime is no longer a business so it was the right time to take a leave from the industry. I’ll be back in it in 2011 or 2012. Let me know if you need help refinancing your subprime loan. I know a few tricks to get your lender to agree to modify your loan.
Wait, do you even have a place?
April 10th, 2010 at 11:58 am
# KoolKell Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Reekocheet
You are a jealous angry loser.
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lol…let’s do this again.
I have a successful business.
You DON’T WORK.
I take my wife out.
Your wife takes YOU out.
I take my wife on vacation.
Your wife takes YOU on vacation.
I pay the bills.
Your wife pays the bills.
I have a life.
You live on this board, and other boards….alllllll dayyyy long…and sometimes…allll nightt long.
I have a nice house.
You live in an APARTMENT.
My business keeps me busy.
After 25 years being a real estate agent, you’re STILL AN ENTRY LEVEL AGENT..with no activity, no business, no listings, and no leads…because you’re lazy. You’re fat. You do nothing every day except troll boards, WHILE YOU’RE WIFE WORKS.
You have zero in your life, Mikey, lol…
So please..why don’t you tell everyone what ANYONE has to be jealous over you about??
Well?
April 10th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Reekocheet
Because of your upbringing, you can’t even imagine a successful woman, can you.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:59 am
# aig Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:47 am
GG,
Last year, I would find myself arguing against KK and Dakota and others for being too tough on Al. However, I’m much more realistic after the 2009 season and how Al hung on to Jawalrus too long. Jawalrus’ attitude broke my faith in Al.
I agree that both McFadden and JR were very risky picks. I never thought that McFadden was anything special. I believe outside of the QB and WR positions, a low center of gravity is vital to any other football positions. McFadden is all built up top but no legs.
However, my point to the original draft history post was that out of the last 8 years, he took reaches 50% of the time and the 50% he took players that were pegged to go in their slots by most analysts.
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Trust me, I was a big Al apologist right after Gruden left. I was still blinded. I still defended him. 2002, 2003, ok patience, Al knows what he’s doing, 2004, 2005, ok pull my head out of the sand, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009…by now im fully awoken. I realize Al isn’t a god at all, he once was, but no more, once I removed my previous emotional/sentimental attachment and TRUTHFULLY objectively analyzed, you start to see Al is past it now. We all honor Al for his past, he has the history to prove it back then, but now he’s built really 20 years of bad history broken up just by the Gruden years. The proof is there.
I’m not arguing about the 50% reach and 50% projected part. I’m focusing on his poor train of thinking thruout the last 10 years with his willful neglect of the OL,DL,LB for an obsession with DBs where in the end all we ever got out of it was Aso/Branch and that infatuation with DBs has NOT helped at all because the game of football IS founded on the trenches.
Eg to reiterate, ok he takes Russell, but drafts only 1 linemen (henderson), bypasses franchise LT, or trading down for Mack and interior linemen help. He drafted McFadden eg instead of a LT to protect that $40m QB, how poor is that thinking. And….i dont think he drafted one linemen last season either, all in a key period for Russell’s development again.
Focusing on just the stupidity running thru Al’s brain.
In Ravens blogs and forums you wouldn’t get any armchair GMs, or any criticizing anything Newsome does. Yet right across RaiderNation Online, every single armchair GM is dead right and we all know it.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Want to see pathetic? Want to see someone with NO life? Someone who is “supposed’ to be working, or at least tells the wife he is?
A quick “search” of “KoolKell Says”, lol…
This is what Kell did on Monday of this week…while his wife was working.
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ALL DAY…ALL NIGHT..hell, the only break you had was to stuff your face at 1:00 and at 5:00…other than that you were here EVERY SINGLE HOUR….
That was Monday..total day spend sitting on his large bulbous ass, posting here..along with a dozen other sites he lives on…
So Tuesday? No way he could spend another day as a vegetable, can he?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Reekoshyt
Was your dad unemployed all his life?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Guess thats a sort of Valhalla of sorts Satanfears AD?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
WANT TO SEE WHY YOU HAVE NO LIFE?
Why you HAVE NO BUSINESS?
Why after a year the ONLY property you have listed is STILL NOT SOLD??
This is TUESDAY,
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…holy shyte, lol…
you’re a loser, Kelly…and there is the proof.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
GG,
Well brother, I can’t imagine Al can screw up this year. There are so many good players that I can’t imagine us whiffing on a first rounder again.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
I’m sorry…was that your answer to the FOLLOWING?
That ‘I can’t imagine a successful woman’??
I call you out for being a lazy fat kept man, who I just proved, and that’s it?
lol…what about the “You’re jealous” part?
Huh, fatman?
Here…read it again..and squirm again, loser.
See, that’s the difference between you and I.
My wife is successful. I’m successful. We’re a good team.
According to YOU, you’re wife is successful. And you’re a bum.
Wonderful.
# Richochet Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:58 am
# KoolKell Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Reekocheet
You are a jealous angry loser.
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lol…let’s do this again.
I have a successful business.
You DON’T WORK.
I take my wife out.
Your wife takes YOU out.
I take my wife on vacation.
Your wife takes YOU on vacation.
I pay the bills.
Your wife pays the bills.
I have a life.
You live on this board, and other boards….alllllll dayyyy long…and sometimes…allll nightt long.
I have a nice house.
You live in an APARTMENT.
My business keeps me busy.
After 25 years being a real estate agent, you’re STILL AN ENTRY LEVEL AGENT..with no activity, no business, no listings, and no leads…because you’re lazy. You’re fat. You do nothing every day except troll boards, WHILE YOU’RE WIFE WORKS.
You have zero in your life, Mikey, lol…
So please..why don’t you tell everyone what ANYONE has to be jealous over you about??
Well?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
LT dan , valhalla / silver & black heaven , wuteva u wanna call it . when we get there ima ask to be roommates with ricochet so i can make him my footstool 4 eternity .
April 10th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Yall have a good one I am heading to bed and sleep. Hopefully there will be some good news for Raiders.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
# aig Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
GG,
Well brother, I can’t imagine Al can screw up this year. There are so many good players that I can’t imagine us whiffing on a first rounder again.
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Funnily enough, after all I just said, I’d love it if we drafted Tebow/Spiller #8, or Chaney/Best/Tebow #39. Lol, after all i said. My only reasoning is that we need to cast off the awful sting and stink of JR and start afresh…however….if we did draft QB/RB/MLB with our first three picks (Chaney say by trading Dmac for a 2nd), we HAVE TO just draft OL and DT with the rest. Just leave WR, DB alone. Let it be for an effin season. Then next season again 3-4 OLmen. Then re-group, re-analyze the roster status.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
draft jimmy clausen !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4YdRMMcGxc&feature=related
April 10th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
ima just say this. either tony pike, dude outta loiusville cant remember his name , or jimmy clausen will be the best qb outta this class. and at least one those guys will go to the hall of fame. why are the raiders afraid of great qbs ?
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