Draft prospect: Dan Williams
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, April 10th, 2010 at 12:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Fourth in a series analyzing potential draft picks for the Raiders, scheduled to select at No. 8 in the first round on April 22:
College: Tennessee
Position: Defensive tackle
Height, weight: 6-2, 327 pounds
Why it’s Williams: The Raiders have found their share of what they believe to be penetrating three-technique tackles (Tommy Kelly, Warren Sapp) and played Gerard Warren, another three-technique, alongside Kelly. Warren was sent packing. What they don’t have is that big tree trunk in the middle tying up two blockers while the likes of Kelly, Richard Seymour and their linebackers come in to clean up at or behind the line of scrimmage, thus making the Raiders defense difficult to run on. Instead, the Raiders have been awful against the run for years. No team has given up as many rushing touchdowns over the last seven years and there has been a steady drumbeat of 100-yard runners. Williams would give the Raiders what they hoped to have in Terdell Sands _ a stout inside presence against the run and make everyone else on the line better. Williams blossomed under the tutelage of defensive line coach Ed Orgeron and defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin at Tennessee and would step in and start immediately. Considering the Raiders specific need vs. the run, he may be a better fit than even Nebraska’s Ndamukong Suh or Oklahoma’s Gerald McCoy, the two supposed can’t miss tackles who should be long gone by the time the Raiders pick at No. 8.
Why it’s not Williams: Williams would be rotated in Oakland, coming off the field on passing downs. He can push the pocket but is not a big pass rusher. In terms of economics, the Raiders don’t like to sink really big money into what they consider part-time players. It took a while for Williams to play well at Tennessee _ he had only 19 starts entering his senior year and was generally considered only a mid-round pick. The tricky part of projecting Williams is if he can continue to get better, for as good as he was for his last year in the SEC, the NFL is a different animal. With nose tackles, you often know right away, and if Williams isn’t an immediate force, he probably won’t be one at all. The Raiders have had five picks in the top seven or better in the first round and have zero Pro Bowl-caliber players to show for it. They can’t miss again.
Quotable: “I can’t really control who says who is better. All I can do is perform. If you want to say who is better, you can put Dan Williams’ film against anybody’s film. Look at Suh and McCoy and you tell me who is better. That is my resume and that is what I can go by.”
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April 10th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Reekocheet
Was your dad unemployed all his life?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Jerry is right. Williams is not a fulltime player. Here in Tenn, the Vols would be ran all over when he comes off the field. Against UCLA last year, they would exploit the Vols the moment he comes off the field. Late int he game he was gassed and they capitalized on his absence.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Want to see pathetic? Want to see someone with NO life? Someone who is “supposed’ to be working, or at least tells the wife he is?
A quick “search” of “KoolKell Says”, lol…
This is what Kell did on Monday of this week…while his wife was working.
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April 5th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
ALL DAY…ALL NIGHT..hell, the only break you had was to stuff your face at 1:00 and at 5:00…other than that you were here EVERY SINGLE HOUR….
That was Monday..total day spend sitting on his large bulbous ass, posting here..along with a dozen other sites he lives on…
So Tuesday? No way he could spend another day as a vegetable, can he?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
WANT TO SEE WHY YOU HAVE NO LIFE?
Why you HAVE NO BUSINESS?
Why after a year the ONLY property you have listed is STILL NOT SOLD??
This is TUESDAY,
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April 6th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
…holy shyte, lol…
you’re a loser, Kelly…and there is the proof.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
What other sites do I live on Reekoshyt?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Reekoshyt
You’re such a copycat aren’t you? lol.
All puffery.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Reek-O-Shyt,
Were you the neighborhood Nancy boy who was abused by the boys & girls in school?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
# KoolKell Says:
I’m sorry…was that your answer to the FOLLOWING?
That ‘I can’t imagine a successful woman’??
I call you out for being a lazy fat kept man, who I just proved, and that’s it?
lol…what about the “You’re jealous” part?
Huh, fatman?
Here…read it again..and squirm again, loser.
See, that’s the difference between you and I.
My wife is successful. I’m successful. We’re a good team.
According to YOU, you’re wife is successful. And you’re a bum.
Wonderful.
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April 10th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Reekocheet
You are a jealous angry loser.
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lol…let’s do this again.
I have a successful business.
You DON’T WORK.
I take my wife out.
Your wife takes YOU out.
I take my wife on vacation.
Your wife takes YOU on vacation.
I pay the bills.
Your wife pays the bills.
I have a life.
You live on this board, and other boards….alllllll dayyyy long…and sometimes…allll nightt long.
I have a nice house.
You live in an APARTMENT.
My business keeps me busy.
After 25 years being a real estate agent, you’re STILL AN ENTRY LEVEL AGENT..with no activity, no business, no listings, and no leads…because you’re lazy. You’re fat. You do nothing every day except troll boards, WHILE YOU’RE WIFE WORKS.
You have zero in your life, Mikey, lol…
So please..why don’t you tell everyone what ANYONE has to be jealous over you about??
Well?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Kk,
All the little chihuahua wants is attention. I’d just ignore him.
Alright KK, who do you think Al will take in the first?
oh btw, I can’t wait for Tiger to be on TV. He already made 2 birdies and so did Phil. We have a 4 way tie at the top now. Can you imagine tiger and phil together for the final round tomorrow?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Aig
I know all the little fa66 wants is attention. Poor thing. I’m in the mood.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I have to get going guys, I’ll catch up with the blog comments in this thread later.
Take care all.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Reek-O-Sheeyt,
My wifes makes a lot of money, what’s wrong with that? this is the 21st Century, I’m proud of her.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
later GG.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
What other sites do I live on Reekoshyt?
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I just crapped down your neck.
Exposed you for the above.
And that’s all you have in reply?
LMFAO…”duh..uh..ok, I don’t work. Ok, my wife supports ME..ok, I don’t even have a house…ok, I’m still an entry level realtor after 25 years….ok, I sit on my ass alll day long, while my wife works….ok, I haven’t sold anything in a year…BUT…CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT OTHER SITES I’VE BEEN ON?”
And you wonder why people laugh at you?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Reek-O-Shytt
I don’t see any crap on my neck, nor hear anybody laughing at me.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
But Reek-O-Shytty,
My gawd, why are you sooooo angry at the world?
Why are you so obsessed with trying to prove everyone is a loser like yourself?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Reekoshytty
You’re so angry and hateful, why?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Williams has the power and the speed to get to the quarterback and be an every down lineman
April 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
draft jimmy clausen !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4YdRMMcGxc&feature=related
April 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Reekoshytty
I own 3 houses and a lot in Switzerland, but you can’t handle that can you?
It’s not much Shytty, I’m not rich. But that’s totally our of the realm of possibility for you isn’t it?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
watche D Williams film on youtube, only guy I’ve seen that dominates like this guy is that will be available at 8 is Iupati
April 10th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Ok R-Shytty,
I’m gonna go watch the Masters, and have a little sake.
When you want to talk about your emotional pain, let me know, ok?
April 10th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufiiaeex0_s
dan williams a big muhfukka tho ..
April 10th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
my mom is a big Saints fan and my dad loves the Oakland Raiders. So whichever team went deeper into the playoffs, the rest of the family would have to switch allegiances to them- Dan Williams
His dads a Raiders fan so Al’s picking him!
April 10th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
here’s hoping that Coach John madden is having a fine 74th birthday.
Salut!!
April 10th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Oh yeah and Dan grew up in the Bay area
April 10th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
My bad I don’t know if he grew up in the bay area, wrong info
April 10th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Dan would be a fine pick too. anything to help our Run D.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I am never comfortable with taking a guy who uses a 3rd party reference on himself.
It at least took Ricky Henderson a few 100 SB years to start dropping the “Ricky” references.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Dan williams is from memphis. Here is his tube. got great low center of gravity and leverage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ8_Y_Rgh6w&feature=related
April 10th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Listened to Todd McShay yesterday on NFL Sirius. He was talking about Clausen’s proday with former Bears’ QB Jim Miller. He said Clausen told him that he was about 80% going into the workout and that’s exactly how he looked. He was impressed that Clausen handled himself professionally considering the things that McShay has had to say about him. He tried to talk about the off-field stuff with Clausen, but Clausen always talked around it. He said he’s obviously been very well coached in this area and that he followed the script to a tee. He said the perception of Clausen as arrogant and entitled is very real and that it might come from the fact that he grew up affluent and has been given a lot in his life. He said the story about getting punched in the eye because some guy was messing with his girlfriend is very different from what several sources told him really happened. He also said that several NFL teams have investigated Clausen and will take a pass on draft day. On the field, McShay’s film study says that Clausen is a 2nd-round prospect. His completion percentage goes down 20 points when he throws between the hashes. He said Clausen’s lack of height may make it hard for him to see that part of the field. Also, he has to “wind up” to throw deep outs and bombs. He said it takes too much time for him to gather himself to throw those passes. He also throws “moon balls” when throwing deep. He makes a lot of bad decisions, throwing a lot of balls into double coverage. With him not being a great prospect on the field and with all the questions off, he thinks he will go in the late teens and possibly late in the 1st round unless some team trades up to get him. He said this is due to the increased demand and the lack of supply at the QB position in the NFL. Jim Miller has studied him too and agrees.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Reekoshytty
I own 3 houses and a lot in Switzerland, but you can’t handle that can you?
It’s not much Shytty, I’m not rich. But that’s totally our of the realm of possibility for you isn’t it?
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LMFAO…NOW YOU OWN THREE HOUSES??
Before it was just one.
You’re a liar, Kelly.
You live in an apartment.
You and I both know that. Posted your apartment number, foolish fat kept househusband.
My question to you is how is it you can be that bored in life that you sit here, and on other boards…every day….all day…like below?
And then to admit that I’m right? That your wife works, and not you? That you’re a failure as a realtor? That you have had no business in over a year?
Dude…for fun, look again at the below…then tell us all about what there is to be jealous about?
Want to see pathetic? Want to see someone with NO life? Someone who is “supposed’ to be working, or at least tells the wife he is?
A quick “search” of “KoolKell Says”, lol…
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ALL DAY…ALL NIGHT..hell, the only break you had was to stuff your face at 1:00 and at 5:00…other than that you were here EVERY SINGLE HOUR….
That was Monday..total day spend sitting on his large bulbous ass, posting here..along with a dozen other sites he lives on…
So Tuesday? No way he could spend another day as a vegetable, can he?
This is TUESDAY,
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…holy shyte, lol…
you’re a loser, Kelly…and there is the proof.
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Now is when you post something weak about how I’m jealous of the above
Like only you can.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Claussen showed up to his very first spring practice at Notre Dame in a limo. Chris Simms did the same thing in Texas.
Not the best first impression on your teammates.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
well we aint taking him anyways.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Claussen showed up to his very first spring practice at Notre Dame in a limo. Chris Simms did the same thing in Texas.
Not the best first impression on your teammates.
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College is one thing. Imagine how that garbage would play in the NFL.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
In a limo? Is there and explanation for that cuz if not sounds like another JaSausagenipples
April 10th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
KKKell, how many of your posts on Mon & Tues were just empty race baiting, angry, foolishness, and ignorant wastes of blog space ?
April 10th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
just give me OL/DL with the first two picks and I’ll be happy and I don’t mean a flashy DE
April 10th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Yesterday I see tj & sweep, two black guys calling each other racists. KKKell lives off making race an issue…
Will you black guys stop perpetuating race issues and join the rest of us in 2010 ?
April 10th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Jerry Mac really believes Raiders will take Campbell at number eight. You been on this beat too long Jerry….Don’t believe the hype, Oh! you help create the hype….
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sc-spt-0411-farmer-nfl–20100410,0,1734979,full.story
April 10th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
KKKell, how many of your posts on Mon & Tues were just empty race baiting, angry, foolishness, and ignorant wastes of blog space ?
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Not to mention cutting and pasting comments from other web sites.
Wait.
It’s Saturday.
don’t most realtors work Saturday?
Where’s Mikey?
Oh…sitting on his ass..watching TV.
I’m just sure his wife is so proud of him
April 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
College is one thing. Imagine how that garbage would play in the NFL.
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I don’t have to imagine, the 2009 Oakland Raiders were a perfect example.
Jamarcus makes more than anybody on the team, and hasn’t yet put in enought time to warratnt that paycheck.
Than after the Jets game, “it ain’t my fault” “Jamarcus only worries about Jamarcus”.
Same shyt different shovel.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
I don’t think other athletes care how much you make, as long as you don’t give them a reason to question you on it.
When a rookie (Murphy) calls you out for not being “punctual” (on-time) than something is up.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Remember the shoulder check Murphy gave Russell when Gradkowski went down? Tells you everything you need to know about both Murphy & Russell.
Murphy might prove to be a great draft pick!
April 10th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Was there a more productive player taken in the 4th round last year?
The gem of that round!!!
April 10th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
If DHB could get his game together we would have a decent young group of WR with Schilens & Murphy but DHB is nothing but dead weight at this point.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Johnny knox on the bears was productive in the 5th round.
April 10th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
I think MIA will be looking hard at Williams since Ferguson is out the 1st 8 weeks. Think BUF would also be in the market for his services since they’re switching to the 3-4. Think he would be more valuable to them b/c of their defenses. If we could trade back with MIA than we would be able to pick up an extra 3rd rounder.
Worth it?
April 10th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
J Mac saying were getting Cambpell huh? I wouldn’t be surprised but I’d be pissed. T Williams and Okung will be gone so if were going OL get Iupati Al, Gallery is 30 and with the injury’s we can’t rely on him and we sure as hell can’t rely on Carlisle or Langston for a whole season, Iuapati who first played football in High School is a massive pro bowler for years to come
April 10th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Iupati gives our Oline nastiness, transforms our entire offense, he will punk every DT he faces
April 10th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
We all knew we would take Russell, had a real good idea that we would take Darren, and we were all pretty sure we would take a WR last year.
This year, no real read on things. Lots of OT’s floating around, and QB’s. Both could be way-off
April 10th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
One thing we all can agree on about this year’s draft…
No more reaching on skill players. Get some productive players in the trenches and stop trying to “hit the homerun”!
That’s probably why Al will pick QB Jimmy Clausen.
April 10th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
What needs to be upgraded/what Al’s looking to upgrade:
O: QB, OT, G, FB
D: NT, MLB, CB
What I think we MUST get-NT, G, FB
What I think Al REALLY wants to improve-QB, NT, MLB, FB
I think Al is gonna debate between: Clausen, D Williams, T Cody, and Mcclain
April 10th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Phil mick is putting a heck of a string of 3 holes. 2 eagles and 1 birdie.
April 10th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Big Dan makes sense…to a regular team.
Honestly, stopping the run and giving the ball back to an anemic offense like Oaklands has been makes little sense.
Fix the O line, save the Raiders.
April 10th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Iupati gives our Oline nastiness, transforms our entire offense, he will punk every DT he faces
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VERY rough, very raw. Not sure about how he accepts coaching.
A real mauler and I’d like to see some of that meaness come back, but man, considering how flag happy refs seem, he’d be a disaster until we got him trained.
we need help now!
April 10th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Vegas,
You want the 4th rd WRs that were more productive than Murphy? Or all positions??
April 10th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Ron,
Austin Collie was the only 4th round pick at WR more productive. He only had 80 more yards than Murphy.
Thomas had a few more catches, 100+ less yards, and only 1 TD.
And they didn’t have Jamarcus Russell throwing them the ball.
And yes, I would like you to list “all other positions” that were more productive.
April 10th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
What does it matter who the Raiders draft?
April 10th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
KKKell, how many of your posts on Mon & Tues were just empty race baiting, angry, foolishness, and ignorant wastes of blog space ?
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Not to mention cutting and pasting comments from other web sites.
Wait.
It’s Saturday.
don’t most realtors work Saturday?
Where’s Mikey?
Oh…sitting on his ass..watching TV.
I’m just sure his wife is so proud of him
Actually…I was wrong. I doubt very seriously any woman could be proud of someone who admits to being a lazy sit on his ass all day loser.
I’m curious, Mike..what exactly would your wife be proud about? Or does she just feel sorry for you?
April 10th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
You have any hobbies, fatboy?
Seriously…I mean..is life that bad?
You don’t work out..that’s obvious.
You aren’t gone long enough to participate in anything..that’s obvious.
Besides sitting at the computer, and scrubbing toilets, what do you do all day?
April 10th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Need to “beef up” the trenches, no more prima donnas. Murphy is going to have a break out year next season, like this kids attitude.
April 10th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
JerryMac….
When are you going to write your analysis of the player we’re all afraid of will be Al’s pick?
The guy that will be known as: Watdafuk! Whoo?
April 10th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
One thing we all can agree on about this year’s draft…
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I guess I’ll stay on my island then. I’d take Berry and Bryant all day long. Wouldn’t even be mad at C J Spiller.
April 10th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Need to “beef up” the trenches,
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We did!
Signed Langston Walker to play RG and Barnes will be the new RT.
April 10th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
rd 1 D Williams
rd 2 Gaither
or
rd 1 Iupati
rd 2 Cody
= me being one happy drunk muthaf*$$a on draft weekend
April 10th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Big Dan makes sense…to a regular team.
Honestly, stopping the run and giving the ball back to an anemic offense like Oaklands has been makes little sense.
Fix the O line, save the Raiders
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So not stopping the run and letting the opponent hold the ball and score…and THEN give the ball to our anemic offense makes more sense?
Let’s face facts. The offense is going to be garbage until the Raiders get a real QB. Stop the run, run the ball and throw on playaction…that’s who we are
April 10th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
An extra first down or two a half by our offense, would do wonders for our Run D.
Certainly wouldn’t fix the issue, and put a band-aid of sorts on it, but when the offense played anything other than like crap, or defense always played better than normal.
April 10th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Vegas Raider,
We need a QB that completes more than 60% of his passes in order to move those chains….right now:
JaDavis – 48% completion
Gradkowski – 54% completion
That’s not going to get it done
April 10th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
I think Al will get a QB in the draft, let the Russell-Bruce training camp competition play out, and see what he has.
Trading away picks for a QB that a team wants to get rid of? Why not just take a QB with said draft pick?
April 10th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
I think Al will get a QB in the draft, let the Russell-Bruce training camp competition play out, and see what he has.
Trading away picks for a QB that a team wants to get rid of? Why not just take a QB with said draft pick?
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Because Al Davis has never developed a QB since Stabler….
Because both Russell and Gradkowski are both career 53% completion passers and neither has never gone abover 54% in their careers
Because the best Raider QBs have been free agent vets who were starters on other teams
April 10th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
QBs drafted since Stableer:
JaDavis
Walter
Tui
Hobert
Marinovich
Major Harris
Francis
Weber
Beurlein
Hilger
Essington
Lindquist
Marc Wilson
Jeb Blount
David Humm
Harry Knight
Tom Doyle
Mike Rae
April 10th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Vegas,
Why do you have to stomp all over a brothers dreams like that? That’s cold hearted, Bro.
That was my dream/best case scenario. I didn’t honestly expect everything to go down like that.
You said you heard Balt. wasn’t serious about trading Gaither anyway, only floated the rumor to motivate him. I started my post by saying I saw it on espn or NFLN that Wash. wasn’t interested in trading Haynesworth. However, who knows what to believe. This is the time of year for smoke and mirrors, duplicity and double talk. Teams may say something to the media with the intentions of doing the exact opposite. So, who knows?
April 10th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Because the best Raider QBs have been free agent vets who were starters on other teams
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That’s why I am hitching my boat in 2010 to Bruce. Same pedigree, something to prove chip on his shoulder. If he fails, Jason Campbell, Troy Smith and plenty others will be available, again, next year.
April 10th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Buckeye,
Hey sorry man, lol!!! It was a little early in the morning, had to fire one off to get loose.
I liked everything you were saying, but ALL of those moves seemed a little steep.
I will take one or two of those scenarios and be happy.
April 10th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
I agree with you SnB
If we trade our 4th pick for Campbell, that would be a steal and it would give us the competition we need instead of having Grad and JR compete against each other. I think Campbell never had decent chance to lead the Redskins, Campbell is not above average QB right now, but he is better then the below average QBs we got, he could be a starter for at least 7 teams in the NFL. Can’t say that about any QB we got.
April 10th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
I’d still like to see the Raiders get Jason Campbell and Albert Haynesworth from the Redskins, and snag Jared Gaither from the Ravens. But assuming that those things don’t happen:
1st round – OT Trent Williams or DT Dan Williams
2nd round – DT Lamarr Houston or OT Rodger Saffold
3rd round – QB Dan LeFevour
3th round – MLB Jamar Chaney or MLB Pat Angerer
4th round – OG Zane Beadles
5th round – OT Ciron Black
7th round – FB Matt Clapp
7th round – MLB Travis Goethel
This is also assuming we manage to move Kirk Morrison for a third-round pick.
In this case I’d like to see the Raiders bring in a veteran CB like Lito Sheppard so we have some depth. But with the huge tender we gave Routt, who knows if Al thinks that’s necessary.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
LoneTree,
As for you, this is the year Russell puts all the JaMarshmellow, JaMeatloaf, etc. cracks to bed. From now on the word immense will only be used to describe his talents and not his waistline. Hopefully.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
We need a QB that completes more than 60% of his passes in order to move those chains….right now:
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I don’t think Cable’s play calling really allowed for a plus 60% passer.
And I guess you could say the same about the Oline and WR situation.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
This is why I want Lamarr Houston and Brian Price with our 1st 2 picks….they are not NT’s and we dont play a 3-4 base anyway.Houston and Price have ONLY played DT….never rotated,never substituted….It’s like hitting the tri-fecta with just the 2 of them,imo
April 10th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
Wassup 4eve …
Yeah, I think we can get a decent fat guy in rd 2, but I sure would like to see Dez Bryant at 8 and Toby Gerhardt in rd 2.
I think a fat guy 2 down DT will be available in rd 3 or 4.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
2005 Redskins 10-6 (Campbell’s rookie year; didn’t play)
2006 Redskins 5-11 (Campbell played 7 games)
2007 Redskins 9-7 made playoffs (Campbell went 5-7 as starter, Todd fkn Collins went 4-0 to end the season to get in the playoffs)
2008 Skins 8-8 (Campbell played all 16)
2009 Skins 4-12 (Campbell played all 16)
April 10th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Seriously though,
Upgrade the O-line through the draft/free agency and trade, and watch these first round “bust” skill players start to flourish. IMO.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
In late March and early April 2009, Redskins officials attempted to include starting quarterback Jason Campbell in a trade to acquire Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler; they also attempted to trade Campbell to at least one other team for a second-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft
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Safe to say, if we miss the boat on Campbell in 2010, he will be available again.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Vegas
Are you saying Campbell is as bad as JR/Grad?
April 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Soo then Jhill you are happy with the O-line and D-line going into camp as is?
April 10th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
Vegas,
I know it’s not been Big Al’s MO to trade down, however, this might be the year to do it. If there’s even somebody looking to trade up. It takes two to tango. But, there are some damn good football players carrying 2nd and 3rd rd grades. This draft seems unusually deep, especially in the Raiders areas of need. Oline, Dline and LB.
Unless there’s somebody sitting there at eight that blows him away, it might be well worth it to drop back into mid first and pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd. IMO.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
I am satisfied with the Oline going into camp. Or should I say I am resolved to the fact that Al like Langston Walker and Cable like Khalif Barnes. I’m pretty sure those 2 will be starting along with Gallery and Satele. The only question is where Henderson stands. If we draft Williams, I think Henderson is done.
Dline? I think we need a DE and a DT.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Are you saying Campbell is as bad as JR/Grad?
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Wassup man!
I think Campbell would have not been much better than Grads or Russell last year.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
If we traded down I’d love to see McClain or Witherspoon in the first round and Houston and Saffold in the second.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Vegas
Are you saying Campbell is as bad as JR/Grad?
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I’m saying Campbell has had twice as many starts as Jamarucs and over 3 times more starts than Bruce. After 50 starts, Campbell’s team has been trying to move him for 2 years, and there hasn’t been any takers for the price.
Not convinced that either Bruce or Jamarcus won’t emerge as beter QB’s than Campbell once they get a few more years and have the 50 starts than Campbell has now.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Marshawn for Bush??
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I’m hearing rumors (that I just started) that the raiders are interested in trading for Marshawn Lynch. He’s the tough inside runner that they need (since Bush can’t stay out of Cable’s doghouse) Drafted same year as Bush, ONLY 3 CAREER FUMBLES (Bush and Cable’s problem) and is a local oakland product….I realize with the amount of Bush love on this forum posting something like this is simply suicide, however I got a mean man crush on BEAST MODE since his days at cal, as you can tell <—–. Lynch needs a new start, legs are still fresh, plus Al can add another ex 1st rounder to the roster like he likes to do….Just a dream, after all whats rumor mill for?
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April 10th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Bruce Gradkowski Career:
53.5% Completion 2,824 yds, 15TDs 16INTs 66 QB Rating 5.4 Yards per Attempt 3.1% INT PErcentage
Jason Campbell Career:
61.2% Completion 10,860 yds, 55TDs 38INTs 82.3 QB Rating 6.6 Yards per Attempt 2.3% INT percentage
April 10th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Fat Kidd,
Absolutely Not! No Marshawn Lynch…bringing him back home and he is always in trouble. Forget him.
We have two running backs that have to get carries…no room for a 3rd…..and no room for Lynch…let him wear out his welcome somewhere else
April 10th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Campbell and Gradkowski came into the league in the same year
April 10th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Marshawn Lynch Most Likely To Be Traded? (4/9 9:12 PT)
The Facts: On the latest edition of “Cold Hard Facts,” anchor Jay Harris asks NFL insider Adam Schefter to name three players who could be traded soon. “No. 1, the Buffalo Bills running back, Marshawn Lynch,” Schefter replies. “They have a new coach, a new GM and any time there are new people in charge, they bring in their own players. Lynch could be traded on or before the draft.” Reported by ESPN.com
April 10th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
One year apart SnB.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
We certainly need another running back behind McFadden and Bush. If only because both of them have a history of injury, and neither of them on their own have proven they can consistently overwhelm a defense.
That’s not saying we need to bring in a star running back, but we could use a reliable utility back. Hate on Fargas all you want, but he definitely served a purpose for the Raiders.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Campbell wasn’t better than Todd Collins in 2007.
Campbelll has played with a Pro-Bowl LT, RB, WR and a consistant top 10 defense.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
SnB,
What about the Redskins record under Campbell and Vegas’ point about the Redskins trying to trade him and getting NO takers?
Why aren’t teams like St Louis, Tampa Bay, Seattle, Cleveland, Buffalo, etc trying to get him?
Not even a #2 pick? The guy is not thought of too well by NFL GMs, so I’m surprised your advocating picking him up.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
87 today Vegas
goin in the wrong direction, lol.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
yeah that was kind of jaded SnB
April 10th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
2010 Oakland Raiders: Why Fans Should Be Excited About Darrius Heyward-Bey
Darrius Heyward-Bey was one of the most talked about picks in the 2009 draft. Draft “experts” were shocked when the Raiders picked Heyward-Bey with the number seven overall pick.
Why someone who calls themselves an expert would be shocked that Al Davis went with the fastest guy in the draft is almost shocking in itself.
Heyward-Bey’s first season was filled with drops and growing pains of being a rookie. He started most of the season, which will later prove to be valuable to his growth as a player.
Many fans are quick to dismiss Heyward-Bey after his first season, but they could be jumping the gun.
While many people think that speed is Heyward-Bey’s biggest asset, they may be excited to hear that his work ethic is also one of his biggest strengths.
We live in a society where the media is quick write about who is not at a workout or who may not be happy with the team. Very often a story about a young player who is trying to better himself after a season that fell below expectations is ignored.
Hewyard-Bey has been in California all offseason working with the coaches and the quarterbacks to improve his skills. Bruce Gradkowski has said in interviews that he has been throwing to Heyward-Bey in the offseason.
He is putting in the work to get better.
Heyward-Bey recently changed his number from 12 to 85. His second year should be a fresh start for him and Raider fans should see a major increase in his production.
Heyward-Bey joins JaMarcus Russell and Darren Mcfadden as the three guys on the team that come in facing the most pressure in 2010. They were drafted to make an impact, but that impact has yet to be seen.
The phrase “Gets it” has been thrown around lately by people and quarterbacks who didn’t understand how to adjust to the NFL when they were young. It’s safe to say that Heyward-Bey “gets” it and he has caught on fast on what it takes to be successful in the NFL.
Look for Heyward-Bey to enjoy a successful campaign in 2010. He and Louis Murphy should make a fun tandem to watch in the future. These two young, hard working guys are part of the reason the Raiders will soon turn things around in a flash.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
I think I would want Spikes in the 3rd, especially if someone signs Kirk.
April 10th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
# Guy Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
I think I would want Spikes in the 3rd, especially if someone signs Kirk.
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I like Spikes, and I think he’ll be a very good player somewhere, but I don’t think he has the speed to play in our scheme. Kirk is faster than Spikes, and remember what happens when we leave him in man coverage on Darren Sproles?
April 10th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Hey Fat Kidd….great post….Lots in here say DHB blah blah blah….I am STOKED we got him!
April 10th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
# vegas raider Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Campbell wasn’t better than Todd Collins in 2007.
Campbelll has played with a Pro-Bowl LT, RB, WR and a consistant top 10 defense.
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And let’s not forget Chris Cooley. That Pro Bowl Tight End is the best TE they have had in Washington in 20 years.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
4eva,
Hey brojam, you say you are “stoked” that “we” have DHB…. Whys that homie? What makes you like him?
April 10th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
go kill somemore innocent Iraqis ron
April 10th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
i dont think they used dhb correctly by having him run down field 30 or 40 yards all the time and see if he can break free, they should try to use his speed in shorter things like wr screen ,end around, reverse etc. see what he can do with his legs
April 10th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
jhill Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
87 today Vegas
goin in the wrong direction, lol.
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Dude, sitting on your keister and not playing is the wrong direction.
You have to get through the 87’s to get to the 78’s. Well…I wouldn’t know but that’s what I hear.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
I shot a 32….in bowling lol!
April 10th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
4evaRaider Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
I shot a 32….in bowling lol!
……………………………………………….32 after two frames is pretty good
April 10th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
the whole game !!!!
April 10th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
4eva,
a 32, really? I’m not much of a bowler. Usually happy if I break a 100. Were you fallin down, sloppy drunk, or just first time in a bowling alley? LOL.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
I did a sweet bowling mockumentary in college called the Oat Sodas. The guy who filmed it is doing very low budget Sci-Fi flicks these days.
I use to toss a consistant 160, broke 230 once.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
test
April 10th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
sprained ankle pk’s rum
….they said I couldnt!
April 10th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
103. Who wrote it?
Bey’s got ALOT to prove. Murphy;s got to show he won’t regress ala JLH and Curry before him.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
If Arfat Abdo Fadel had just ended Walker’s career poor Javon could’ve limped away from the NFL. Now he’s the worst FA aquisition EVER in the history of the game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgLdFme_1wh3eRyhhL469QThMMQF?slug=ap-javonwalker-suspects
April 10th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
how to Be a Raiders Fan – wikiHow 1 Buy a Raiders jersey, hat, key chain, earrings, necklaces, anything with the Raiders logo on it. The key is to visibly show support for your team.
2 watch their games, or even go to their games. If none of these are possible, at least know who they are going to play and if they won or lost a game. 3.Don’t turn your back on your team. A hardcore Raiders fan sticks with them through good times and bad times, win, lose or tie Raiders until we die! If you go for another team just because the Raiders lost to them, you aren’t a very good fan and we don’t want you pretending to be one of us. 4.Be willing to participate in the Black Hole, which is located in the Raider Nation end zone. Attire here is outrageous and spikes, skulls, face painting are all recommended necessities.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
4eva,
No offense meant by the sloppy drunk comment. I was just funnin with ya. You seem like a good dude. Hope everything’s going alright for ya.
Hell, I’ve got a pretty good Beer Buzz going right now.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Jhill
I am doing good bro. Let me holla at you for a second. Bro, you mistaken. The reasons not many teams are high on Campbell is not cause he is not a good QB, primarily its because of what they have in their team. Rams will draft Bradford certainly a better option for them. Bills have Edwards or might be waiting to draft Clausen, Bucs got franchise QB Josh Freeman, Seattle traded and gave their new kid 5mill a year to compete with Hasselback, finally Cleveland also got their man Seneca and Int freak Jake Delhomme. As you can see, most teams are done getting their QB, if Campbell was available in early March, most teams would have went after him.
The only team that still needs a QB is clearly our beloved Oakland Raiders. AL Davis seems to be leaning towards getting either a veteran QB or a new rookie in the draft, its been clear from all the rumors we heard, Mcnabb, Sage, Kafka, etc. I think this decision was reached when AL saw JR in Oakland weighting more then 290lbs. Gradkowitzki been rehabbing and working it in Oakland along with many other like DHB. JR was seen in parties in Vegas and Basketball in Phoenix. Its obvious to most reasonable minds that JR doesn’t have the work ethic needed to become the leader of this team. Campbell is been in the Redskins headquarters doing exactly what Grad has been doing here. Oakland and other teams know that its matter of time before Redskins either drop their asking price or cut Campbell before the training camp. That is why Campbell hasnt been traded right away.
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Jhill Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
SnB,
What about the Redskins record under Campbell and Vegas’ point about the Redskins trying to trade him and getting NO takers?
Why aren’t teams like St Louis, Tampa Bay, Seattle, Cleveland, Buffalo, etc trying to get him?
Not even a #2 pick? The guy is not thought of too well by NFL GMs, so I’m surprised your advocating picking him up.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
the whole donkey affair stinks.And the organization and The Nation has suffered for it,imo
Just imagine how much a healthy javon could’ve helped our WR’s and #2
April 10th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
you hear or see someone yell out to you with “Raiders!” or “Raider Nation!”, acknowledge them with a “Raiders!”, “Raider Nation!”, etc.
Cheer when they win–? How about slam a beer when they win.
Rub it in when the Raiders beat the Forty Niners, their rival from across the Bay. Also- key rival is the Denver Broncos.
Put the Raiders logo on the back of your car, but only if you are sure you won’t ditch the Raiders, because if you ditch the Raiders for the Niners, you’ll be a “Raider traitor.”
April 10th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
maybe a lesser man couldnt have taken the beating and lived.A professional baller has that in his corner….but he was never the same,imo
April 10th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
None taken Buckeyeraider
April 10th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
4eva,
I’ve been following the Silver and Black since the late seventies, and the Javon Walker situation was the most bizarre thing I’ve ever seen. The entire debacle made no sense.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Raiders yeaaaaah! Hot tube time machine!!!yeaaaah!
April 10th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
The saddest thing I’ve ever seen was the Marcus Allen falling out/feud. But, Javon Walker, definitely the most bizarre.
April 10th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Raiders will have another superbowl before Patriots…….
April 10th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I know Buckeye….it was our perfect storm.We deal with Pat Bowlen,it never works somehow.From Warren 2 Walker.#2’s non-whatever,all at the same time.Kiffen. Big Al giving inept people too much freedom….
April 10th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
I died everytime Marcus dove over OUR D-line for 6
Yep crazy Marcus in red CRAZY
The donkey case….bizarre
April 10th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Jhill, VR
We BADLY need competition at the QB position going into 2010. BADLY NEED IT!
Right now you have two guys that are totally unproven except for a flash in a game or two (both Russell & Gradkowski)
The best competition available for a 4th round pick is Campbell…no rookie mid to late round pick is going to be game ready…Campbell will be.
Say what you want about him…but the kid completes the passes he throws,.
A short to medium dink and dunk conservative QB is exactly what a team that has had one of the worst offenses in 8 years needs right now.
Let Gradkowski or Russell beat this guy out…and at least we can be confident the winner put in some work.
Russell definitely needs to be pushed…
and I have never heard of a 53% passer, with Gradkowski’s pedigree ever be GIVEN a starting job based on 2 gms.
I am not seduced by a game here or there…we need some consistency and in camp competition.
Tell me who is available that will provide more competition…maybe Bulger…
April 10th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
I haven’t seen a Raider QB consistenly complete his passes since GAnnon
April 10th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
I would venture 2 say Javons “antics” had a devastating effect on the team….at the critical time in #2’s development there was no WR who knew how 2 play in the nfl.His very presence would’ve helped our ROOKIE WR’s….Too much depended on Javon that year….Big Al beleived in him,really believed in him,and man-o-man,1 careless selfless night,knowing the TEAM REALLY needed him,he goes out,instead of working as hard as someone could,earning multi-millions of $$$$$$$,the donkey fukks up
April 10th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
SnB
I agree with you. Campbell give us the best competition for a cheap 4th rounder.
April 10th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
I haven’t seen a Raider QB consistenly complete his passes since GAnnon
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You’re worrying about nothing. Staring to rookies at wr was a huge gamble and we lost. 2010 will be different.
April 10th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Thankx alot javon
April 10th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
got the rest of your life but 2 spend 55 million but nooo
April 10th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
SnB,
Relax. The QB situation will play itself out. I think Gradkowski caught the attention of the team, and it’s fans enough, that it will motivate Russell, in an open competition, to apply himself and start to realize his potential.
With that, I’m out, fellas. 4eva, Vegas, SnB and the rest of the Raider Nation, have a good evening.
April 10th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Yep a snowballing of the worst bizarre shizzzittt that could happen.
We have weathered it and the tide finally turns
April 10th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Yep I’m out with that also….Have a wonderful evening Nation!
April 10th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
SnB,
A 4th rounder is not TOO much, but even still, if you make the move, you better be 100% sure that he will emerge as the best QB.
You can’t trade important and cheap mid-round picks for a QB making $4 million a year that isn’t even starting.
April 10th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
What’s wrong with competition.
YOu guys standing with Russell are basing it on hope that he changes 3 years of behavior
You guys standing with Gradkowski are basing it entirely on hope…..a plodding effort against the Bengals and a good game against a Palomalu less secondary that is in the middle of a massive overhaul
Come on guys…I understand risk/reward and every other reason for this pitiful 7 year stretch.
But we have to try. No GM worth his salt would be happy with just Russell and Gradkowski…you could poll 1 million people and 98% would come back no….the only ones saying yes…some Raider fans and family and friends of Russell and Gradkowski.
Come on folks
it seems that you guys are afraid of competition.
Get a viable QB in here! – Not 1 game wonders and 1st round busts
April 10th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Vegas,
A 4th round pick is nothing. Last year we spent one on Slade Norris.
Anyway, a 4th round pick for a QB that has started and showed more production than anyone currently on the roster is a good insurance policy against a 1-15 season.
Which is what will happen if Russell / Gradkowski perform at historical levels!
April 10th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
Later
April 10th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Al loves to collect other people’s first rounder. Wasn’t Campbell a first round pick as well? 25th overrall I think. My hunch says Al makes a play for Jason Campbell. Dont be surprised if it is a sign and trade deal.
April 10th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
I’d still like to see the Raiders get Jason Campbell and Albert Haynesworth from the Redskins, and snag Jared Gaither from the Ravens. But assuming that those things don’t happen:
1st round – OT Trent Williams (Oklahoma) or DT Dan Williams (Tennessee) (Suh or Okung if they’re available for some reason)
2nd round – DT Lamarr Houston (Texas) or OT Rodger Saffold (Indiana)
3rd round – QB Dan LeFevour (Central Michigan)
3th round – MLB Jamar Chaney (Mississippi State) or MLB Pat Angerer (Iowa)
4th round – OT Kyle Calloway (Iowa) or OT Sam Young (Notre Dame)
5th round – OG Zane Beadles (Utah)
7th round – FB Matt Clapp (Oklahoma)
7th round – MLB Travis Goethel (Arizona State)
This is also assuming we manage to move Kirk Morrison for a third-round pick.
In this case I’d like to see the Raiders bring in a veteran CB like Lito Sheppard so we have some depth. But with the huge tender we gave Routt, who knows if Al thinks that’s necessary.
April 10th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
What’s wrong with competition.
YOu guys standing with Russell are basing it on hope that he changes 3 years of behavior
You guys standing with Gradkowski are basing it entirely on hope…..a plodding effort against the Bengals and a good game against a Palomalu less secondary that is in the middle of a massive overhaul
Come on guys…I understand risk/reward and every other reason for this pitiful 7 year stretch.
But we have to try. No GM worth his salt would be happy with just Russell and Gradkowski…you could poll 1 million people and 98% would come back no….the only ones saying yes…some Raider fans and family and friends of Russell and Gradkowski.
Come on folks
it seems that you guys are afraid of competition.
Get a viable QB in here! – Not 1 game wonders and 1st round busts
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Three years of behavior?? You’re going a little to0 far man. Look, even Lane Kiffen, the guy who supposedly didn’t want to draft him and a guy who couldn’t wait to criticize players in public, praised the work that JR put in. As far as this year is concerned, he was in town for a voluntary QB school and all voluntary mini camps. Everyone’s basis for Russell not putting in the work seems to come from the fact that he was “overweight”. As far as I’m concerned, that’s even a matter of opinion. I’m glad he’s a big guy or he would have gotten killed last year. I’ll take the Russell that beat Denver any day of the week. Anyway, I’m not afraid of competition. I just have a hard time remembering when a “QB comepetion” in training camp resulted in anything good. The bottom line is that the day JR was drafted no. 1 overall and signed that contract, he “earned” the starting job. If not in 2007, for sure in 2008 and beyond. That makes him like every other QB drafted no. 1 overall. That’s just the way it is.
April 10th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
I forgot a 5th round pick. If RB LeGarrette Blount (Oregon) is there, it would definitely fill a need. Could be a pretty legit bargain, too.
April 10th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
How long before the Browns gave up on Tim Couch?
He was the #1 pick, and I don’t think he lasted much more than 4 years. And he was a heck of a lot more productive than Jamarcus was last year.
April 10th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Brady Quinn, Tim Couch and Alex Smith didnt produce but at least they showed they cared and put in the time. Jawalrus didnt put in the time and didnt produce. That’s what ticks me off so much.
April 10th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
I was watching chronical live one day and they had murphy on there for an interview he said he wad
s close to russell and that he has been leading the workout sessions for their position group. Now i dont know if any of it is true because papa kinda insinuated that they were close and what could murphy say no, and he could have just been saying what he had to say to stay on the field but if its true i think jamarcus might come through for us this year especially if he has an oline and a running game. If not we’ll just have to accept he’s not the answer and move not that alot of you haven’t done that already but im willing to give him one more chance.
April 10th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
How long before the Browns gave up on Tim Couch?
He was the #1 pick, and I don’t think he lasted much more than 4 years. And he was a heck of a lot more productive than Jamarcus was last year.
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Couch started as a rookie, right? So JR should get another two years as the starter, not get cut tomorrow like a lot of dorks on this site are longing for. But let’s forget the 5th year for now. He deserves to go into this year as THE starter in my opinion based on handing him two rookie wrs to start the season. There’s no successful precedent for that as far as I know.
April 10th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
If Russell is the best QB in camp, he should start.
If not, he should not start. And if he flat out sucks and won’t restructure, he should be cut.
April 10th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
If Russell is the best QB in camp, he should start.
If not, he should not start. And if he flat out sucks and won’t restructure, he should be cut.
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Again, that sounds great. Great pie in the sky statement. I believe that he’s better than Grads. But again, his draft status and contract make him the best QB team. It’s been that way for every QB picked no.1 before him and it’ll be that way for the ones picked in the future. Was Stafford really better than Culpper gointo the season? How about Sanchez vs Clemens? Doesn’t matter. No reason to single JR out.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Those cats are rookies Debo, this guy is about to go into his 4th year.
If he isn’t better than guys like Bruce Gradkowski in his 4th year, than he probably won’t be in his 8th year either.
No excuses. Put up some points, or get someone else in who will.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
But again, his draft status and contract make him the best QB team.
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If his draft status and contract didn’t matter half-way through year 3, than why would it matter going into year 4?
April 10th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Debo,
If draft status continues to determine value after the first season, then we should be able to trade for Tom Brady really cheap. (I hate him, but he’s a good example of my point.)
By your logic, we should pay Tim Couch 50mil to come out of retirement and lead us to the SB. (I am a die-hard UK fan, so saying that hurt me almost as much as the Brady comment.)
The fact that JR was drafted #1 overall means NOTHING and earns him NOTHING anymore. If he doesn’t play better than any other QBs that are in camp (whoever they may be), then he doesn’t start. The free ride is over as of the last half of last season.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Steve,
Just curious, was Couch that good at KU? i remember watching the highlights from ESPN and didnt think it was anything special.
yeah, it bothers me that JR wouldnt even put in the efforts. I can see how a team is committed to a #1 pick overrall like Couch and Alex Smith but you never hear those guys are lazy and show up overweight. I dont get all these JR apologists.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Here is what I think we should do:
1- Trade for a 3rd, 4th or 5th for a Vet QB like Campbell.
2- Sign Seymour Long Term, and Cut TK f we have to save money.
3- Trade a 2nd for Big Albert.
4- Draft OT T Williams at 8, and Spikes or another MLB in the 3rd, a FB, CB, and the rest OL.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Trade a 3rd, 4th,…..*
April 10th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
I think the comment I just posted is awaiting moderation because I linked to YouTube… But head on over there and check out these videos of LB Jamar Chaney (Mississippi State). There’s one of him against the run, another in coverage, and another of him blitzing.
Apparently the Raiders have already interviewed this kid, and I can see why. He has the kind of speed necessary to be the Mike linebacker in the Raiders’ defensive scheme.
As nice as it would be to take Rolando McClain in the first round, it’s not Big Al’s M.O. to draft a linebacker that high. Chaney is projected to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick, and I’d say he’s definitely worth an extensive look. Especially if we can pick up a DT who is actually capable of occupying blockers.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Aig,
Couch looked very much ready for the next level immediately while at UK, despite a questionable offensive line. As a Raiders fan, I wanted desperately for us to draft him to replace Jeff George. We ended up with Gannon starting in the season following Couch’s draft and I really wish that we had gotten Couch and let him learn the NFL game from Gannon instead of being thrown into a horrible situation in Cleveland and being asked to start from day one and carry an entire team on his back and make it a winner… especially when that team was as horrible at nearly every position and had almost no chance of winning. I think Couch could have been an above-average NFL QB if he had been drafted into a different situation and brought along correctly.
As a side note, I’ve seen you say “KU” in reference to Kentucky several times before, usually when talking about Micah Johnson… or maybe John Connor… and have thought about correcting you in a friendly way, but never did. KU is Kansas… and UK fans and alumni really get annoyed by that misnomer, although it’s understandable. I’m not trying to be a dick, just letting you know that it’s UK for future reference.
Having said that, I want the Raiders to address Offensive Line and Defensive Tackle (not End… NO TO JPP!) for the first few rounds, taking best available players at those positions right up until the “take Johnson now or he’ll be gone by the next time we pick” and then taking Micah to be our MLB. I hope that Connor is still there in the later rounds for us, because I believe he will be everything that we need in a blocking fullback who can catch 10-25 passes per season, used out of the backfield a couple of times per game when we decide to let him release on a pattern. Connor can be the piece that has been missing since we stupidly let Ritchie go to the Eagles… I’m still mad about that.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Morris, Walker, and Barnes were part of the problem last year because they didn’t contribute much. Barnes couldn’t win a starting postion over Green & Mario, Satele can’t win the job from Morris, and Walker needs to prove himself.
We need OL, DT, FB and a MLB. We can also use another QB, CB, WR, and a RB.
Fire The Fat Monkey!!
April 10th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
YA,
Post the YouTube link please.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Steve,
You’re right you guys that UK or KU seriously. My bad. My wife’s classmate is from KU so I get it mixed up all the time on her too. I live in Memphis right now so they hate Calipari real bad down here.
BTW, I have never posted about Micah or Connor. Must be some other blogger. I havent even watched the tube on those guys yet.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Here’s one of the links. Let’s see if this works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FErsTC47s&feature=player_embedded#
April 10th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Here’s another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LMZmeY-kgo&feature=related
April 10th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
And the third:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSWuUoOzrxs&feature=related
April 10th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
man al better do sumtin. or i say we gather our weapons , pitchforks and such and take out our dark lord . march right up to alameda castle and sacrifice him to the football gods.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
cus we can get albert fukkin haynesworth!! i repeat .. ALBERT FUKKIN HAYNESWORTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and marshawn lynch ,,, al .. im warning u . i will turn on u ..
April 10th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
heres a better video. this should be the raiders theme song next season. during every game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYBi-F0ucTs&feature=PlayList&p=1E88890DF0FEE332&playnext_from=PL&index=104
April 10th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
I’d rather draft LeGarrette Blount in the 4th or 5th round than pay what it would take to get Marshawn Lynch.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Aig,
I don’t put much stock in Youtube clips of players… you can make anyone who has played at least one season look like a god or a goat in a two-minute clip if you find the right plays and edit it correctly and put in some music that puts the watcher in the proper mood. My take on wanting Johnson and Connor comes almost purely from watching UK games from the past few years. The rest comes from being a Kentucky-born UK fan.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
As far as fullbacks go, I like Oklahoma’s Matt Clapp. He made the All-Big 12 First Team thanks in large part to his blocking skills. He didn’t run the ball much, but he caught nine passes for 92 yards and three scores.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
this is the crossroads for our team. blood will flow if nothing changes now. ساربان – شیرین عمر چه تیریژی
April 10th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
شاگردان مکتب “راوا” در حال اجرای اتن ملی در محفل روز زن
id like to see lagarret blount kick jruss in the fat back on his face.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Raiderdebo, your post #31 is exactly what I’ve heard about Clausen and this full-on campaign for Clausen by Mayock and the NFL cronies is exactly what they did fo Brady Quinn. But no worries the GM’s in the league are not buying it. They know he’s been cached by Mayock and others as to what to say and how to act. But Leopards cannot change their spots. He is what is and arrogant eliteist and he will rear his ugly head as soon as he gets paid and gets some attention.
Whoever selects him earlier than the 2nd rnd will regret it. Because he will fight with the stars on his own team. As I said he thinks he’s already as decorated as Joe Montana and others just need to recognize.
This kid Dan Williams just might be a player sometimes it takes kids a few years to get it. Now if he has then it’s just about getting proper coaching to get better. he definitely has the skillset to play the 1tech. But so does big Cody however with big Cody I would proceed with caution.
April 10th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Young,
As far as running the ball, I don’t care one bit about a FB’s ability there. The only time the FB should carry the ball is on a dive play when you’re inside the 1… and even in that situation, I would rather have the FB lead-blocking for the HB. The only reason for letting the FB take it in is to prevent damage to the HB from those pounding goalline runs up the gut and letting the bulkier tank take it in.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Priesttj,
I agree that Clausen has MAJOR personality/ego issues. However, I think he has a mid-to-late 1st round skill set. His pro-day performance was very impressive, even if he WASN’T still recovering from an injury.
I want to comment on something else you said in that post as well:
“he thinks he’s already as decorated as Joe Montana and others just need to recognize.”
That statement perfectly describes another QB that I know. The kid to which I refer thinks that he is god’s gift to us all. He wears a massive chain with his own name for all to see. He acts as if he is the best thing since sliced bread, no matter how he plays. He blames losses on his teammates and says that none of the fault is his, going so far as to say that he thinks he played great in games where he clearly made mistakes. I will let you figure out who the QB that I’m talking about is.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Young,
As far as running the ball, I don’t care one bit about a FB’s ability there. The only time the FB should carry the ball is on a dive play when you’re inside the 1… and even in that situation, I would rather have the FB lead-blocking for the HB. The only reason for letting the FB take it in is to prevent damage to the HB from those pounding goalline runs up the gut and letting the bulkier tank take it in.
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There are some systems where the FB can be used effectively in the running game. Philly had a lot of success using Leonard Weaver last season, and San Diego has worked Mike Tolbert into heir offensive gameplan to some effect. But the Raiders have no need for a FB like that.
They need a lead blocker first and foremost, and if whoever they bring in can also catch the ball on occasion, that’s more than enough. But Lawton has been completely ineffective, and while Marcel Reese shows some potential as a catch-and-run type fullback, he isn’t much of a blocker.
Funny how when a team has so many glaring needs, weaknesses at even the least critical of positions seem exaggerated.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Stevie you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about you’re just repeating what you heard from people that hate the kid. Russell has said on several occasions that he needs to improve on everything and he puts a 60% on where he thinks he is and where he wants to be. He knows he’s learning and knows he needs to get much better and has said so many times. But the haters never hear that part because they don’t want to. Just like you…..
April 10th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
وحيوانات وجبال وبحار
ومحيطات وجاء الله بالأولين والأخرين وجاء اهل الحق والباطل اذلاء امام الجبار سبحانه وتعالى
وجيء بالنار حتى يسمع الناس شهيقها وزفيرها
سوف تعل
April 10th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Young,
I know that there are systems where the FB gets lots of carries, especially in certain varieties of the WCO; however, I was talking about FB in relation to our offensive philosophy. A FB who can open up some holes and catch 10-25 passes per season would be worth his weight in gold to the Raiders as far as I’m concerned. I think we can get Connor in the 7th… at least I HOPE that we can.
I advocate Johnson for several reasons, but mostly because we need a great DT who can occupy two blockers before we even think of addressing MLB. The best run-defender, thumper of a badass MLB would be USELESS to us until we get a major upgrade at DT. With a great-against-the-run DT, even Kirk would be more than adequate on rushing downs (but I would still want an upgrade). As long as we haven’t gotten early-round talent (or traded for good veteran skill) at DT, we can’t take MLB… it’s a wasted pick, meaning that McClain and Spikes are wasted picks unless we get a great DT FIRST.
McClain will be gone before our second pick, but Spikes’ bad pre-draft performance will hopefully drop him to a point where we can address DT before we get him, then pick him up to play MLB. If Spikes is gone before we can get him, I’m okay with that as long as we get Micah… but there are a LOT of people on this board who don’t know jack about football and think that getting McClain will instantly make our run-defense stout without getting a new DT. Those people are idiots. The run-stuffing MLB is only as good as the DT who takes up the blockers in front of him so that the MLB can make the play.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Priest,
I’m repeating WHAT I HEARD FROM JR HIMSELF IN A LOCKERROOM INTERVIEW. Goodness, you’re retarded. Want me to find a link to the video for you so you can see and hear him throw his teammates under the bus and praise his own play? Want me to find some pictures of him iced out with his huge chain that carries a monument to HIMSELF on it?
He loves himself and hasn’t developed a commitment to the game YET. I hope he does it soon (and while still a Raider), because he would be fantastic if he got an ounce of motivation and put his ungodly physical gifts to use. How do you call me a hater when I constantly talk about how I want him to become what I know he is capable of? Does it make me a hater to point out that he has a gut and doesn’t put in the work?
April 10th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
While all you haters are namecalling Russell and professing him to be lazy and dumb. He is tearing it up in camp and he has the coaches attention. He loks good and is taking this team back on a day by day basis.
So say whatever you wish and hate all you want Russell is putting his stamp on that position as we speak……….period
He just needs to stay the course and keep grinding and use everthing people say about him as fuel to get it done.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Yeah, I agree 100%. That’s why if Suh doesn’t fall to us in the 1st round, I’d want to see us pick up Lamarr Houston in the 2nd round (Brian Price and Cam Thomas are also possibilities), before we even think about taking an MLB. That way if we aren’t able to move Kirk Morrison, it’ll at least make his job against easier against the run (although he’s still a liability in coverage).
I also wouldn’t mind it if the Raiders made a play for Haynesworth. It would instantly make our run defense respectable (fewer blockers for Kirk and Thomas Howard to not be able to disengage from).
I do like Spikes, but I’m not sure he’s fast enough for the Raiders defense. Like I was saying earlier, imagine him in man coverage on Darren Sproles…
And yeah, that was the point I was making re: the FB situation. Connor seems like a good player too, I just know Matt Clapp is regarded as one of the best blocking fullbacks in college football, and can probably be gotten in the 7th round.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
YA,
I would draft him!
April 10th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Priesttj,
I sincerely hope that what you said in post 189 is accurate in terms of what he’s doing NOW. I hope that JR can do everything that needs to be done for him to be the QB that leads us back to greatness. However, he has done nothing up to this point to give me faith that he will do so, so I need to see him putting in the work and showing RESULTS before I will support him.
That doesn’t make me a hater, it makes me a realist. The facts are that he has carried a gut, looked lost, and can’t go through his progressions (watch the games, he stares down his intended receiver or only looks at two guys before throwing). These things can all be cured, but the fact that he still carried a gut in the most recent pics I saw have made me wary of hoping for improvement. The gut would go away on its own if he were getting in a lot of reps and working on technique, quickness, agility, and mobility. My greatest hope is that he still has the gut because he’s been in the classroom and filmroom. I highly doubt it, though. I’m cautiously optimistic and I’m a realist. It doesn’t make me a hater to say that he has been lazy.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
May not make you a hater but it does make you stupid………….period
April 10th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Priesttj,
To carry that point a step further: A hater is someone who criticizes when there is no justification for it. Every criticism that I have made of JR is totally and 100% justified… and I list out the rationale behind everything that I say to make sure that I back up my words with evidence. You say that he’s doing all these great things, but there is no evidence of it. When you consistently throw to the second option (out of five) and that option is double-covered (or has a safety who can break on the ball quickly within ten yards of the receiver) many of the times that you do so, you have proven that you can’t go through your progressions and don’t know how to read a defense.
I’m not a hater, you’re just a fanboy who ignores evidence and calls anyone who disagrees a hater. I hope that JR becomes an All-Pro QB while still wearing the Silver and Black, but it’s not looking very likely by all patterns that have been established. I hope that he can turn it around, but I will not have blind faith.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Priesttj,
If Russell is so capable of being a true NFL quarterback, he doesn’t need you to be his apologist.
I think I speak for almost everyone here when I say I’d love to see JaMarcus become the player his immense physical gifts would allow him to be. But even you can’t be satisfied with what you’ve seen thus far.
He was passed on the depth chart TWICE last season, and even that didn’t light enough of a fire under him. He needs more competition in camp, whether it be in the form of another former #1 pick (Jason Campbell) or a young mid-round pick (Kafka, LeFevour, Pike).
Are all the Raiders’ problems Russell’s fault? Of course not. But seeing how much better the offense performed when two marginally-talented 3rd-string caliber quarterbacks were running the offense, you have to think there’s something wrong there.
Whether Raiders fans like it or not, Russell is going to be on the roster for the foreseeable future. He’s going to be part of the equation at QB no matter what, because a lot has been invested in him. The best thing the Raiders can do is create an environment in which he has the tools to succeed. But the team needs to have a solid backup plan in the event that improving the receiving corps and offensive line isn’t enough to put JaMarcus back on track.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
LMFAO @ it makes me stupid!!!
How does it make me stupid to call someone who has a gut lazy? If you haven’t learned how to go through progressions and read a defense on the most basic level after three seasons in the NFL, then you are lazy… either that or you’re stupid… but stupid wouldn’t account for the gut. I don’t think that JR is stupid; he’s just lazy.
So, how does it make me stupid to call someone with a gut lazy?
April 10th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
O Mock Draft:
1- Trade Up For Suh, or draft OT T Williams
2- Dunlap, J Best, B Campbell, or Lamarr Houston
3- ILB Chaney or Spikes
4- DE Austen Lane, OG Newhouse or M Johnson
5- OT Sam Young or Ciron Black
5- CB Walter Thurmond or Stoudamire
7- FB
7- HB
April 10th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Young,
Priest IS satisfied with what he’s seen so far. According to him, JR is a god and has only been bad because of playcalling and the players surrounding him. Priest believes that JR is already a Pro-Bowler in his own right, but all the other factors have made him look bad.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Stupid and ignorant, he’s far from the only QB who’s had a gut. Big Ben has a gut is HE LAZY? Huh?
April 10th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Young,
Also, according to Priest, the only reason that people badmouth JR is because we’re all racists. He thinks (and SAYS) that JR is great and we all just don’t want to give a black QB any credit and that we exaggerate his lack of performance, lack of motivation, lack of attending meetings, and lack of exercise/preparation because he is black. The funny thing is that he says this not just to white guys… but to black guys, too! According to Priest, any criticism of JR’s play is based on the critic being racist.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Do you really want to compare Ben having a gut after spending MONTHS recovering from major surgery and not being allowed to practice to JR having a gut?
April 10th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Priest,
Go watch JR’s high school game videos. He was lean and mobile. He was 6′5″ as a freshman and 6′6″ by graduation, so you can’t blame the gut on him growing. He got lazy and fat… and it has hurt his performance. He can’t move as well as he used to, can’t run as well, and can’t even drop back as well. The only thing that he has kept in shape is his arm. I saw the old gamefilms, so I know that he doesn’t naturally carry a gut, so it’s not just a part of his build. He’s lazy.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Haha, if Russell is a Pro Bowler, that must mean Bruce Gradkowski is the reincarnation of Y.A. Tittle.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
He’s had it his entire career you freakin’ idiot.
Now I think you are racial. Big Ben can have a gut but Russell can’t or he’s LAZY. What you are is a freakin’ HATER……………..period
April 10th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Time to smoke a bowl in my driveway and hit the sack. ‘Night, gentlemen.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Young,
I have ALWAYS hated Albert Haynesworth. That having been said, since we don’t have to worry about a salary cap, I would be okay with trading a 2nd or 3rd (reportedly what will be required) to get a proven fatguy who can occupy two blockers. The Skins are going to commit to the switch to the 3-4, so Haynesworth will hold out if he isn’t traded. This puts Washington in a horrible position… one in which they will have to trade him for less than he’s worth… AFTER they’ve paid his $20mil roster bonus. I hate having “me” guys like him on the team, but the bottom line is production on the field… and there aren’t many 4-3 DTs who can claim to be as good as he is AND are available for us to go get. I’d argue that he’d be better for us than Suh or McCoy. He’s already a PROVEN commodity, rather than a draftee. As much as I hate myself for saying it, I say we trade for Haynesworth.
That doesn’t make me want to go MLB (McClain) in the 1st, though. I still say take the best available OL until the 3rd. If Spikes is there in the 3rd, take him. If he’s gone, take OL until the 5th, then take Micah Johnson in the 5th. Our first 7th should be Connor and then the last pick should be a really fast RB or CB who can pull duty as a returner.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Priest,
Are you seriously trying to say that Ben had a gut before the accident? Is that what you’re saying? Really?
April 10th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Priest,
Do you see a gut here:
http://www.unlockedsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/roethlisberger_ben.jpg
I sure as hell don’t.
April 10th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
How about here:
http://community.post-gazette.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.01.11.72/roethlisberger.jpg
April 10th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
I won’t bother to post the pics of JR’s gut… because I’ve done it a few times before and it makes me sad. I’ve just proven that Ben has NOT had a gut his entire career with those pics. Race has nothing to do with it, you are just using that as an excuse to try to discredit any criticism of JR. You are pathetic.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Priest,
First off, about last night, I didn’t like how I came off.
I could not disagree more with your opinions, specifically on Russell,but you’re certainly entitled to them.
I really don’t want to get into pissing matches in here like some. I just want to talk Raiders.
Whether or not you call me a racist doesn’t really matter to me anymore, I let it get under my skin.
So I apologize for the tone last night and I am just gonna move on.
By the way I am as white as a sheet of paper, I just wanted to see what you would say if you thought I was black.
Cheers.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
NOW, weeks after my Williams “prediction” most sports writers hop on the T. Williams bus assuring he will never make it to Oakland.
Frankly, I think alot of “writers” or “analysts” simply followed suit with Kiper’s “joke” about Davis taking B. Campbell without doing homework.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AhQRMOG4gbmUdRRmkfnN.YdDubYF?slug=ys-okungvswilliams040910
April 10th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Nnamdi,
Howdy. Long time, no see. How have you been? I really like both Williams players. Both Lines need help, so we really can’t go wrong with Trent or Dan, IMO.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
205. Haynesworth is the best DT in the game…when he wants to be. Always injured and a prima donna.
Like his meanness, but pretty cwertain he’s not worth Oakland breaking the bank on.
Not terribly worried about him going to division rivals if the rumors are true that Haynes worth doesn’t wan to be an NT in the 3-4.
Chargers, Broncos and even KC have gone 3-4.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Wow, check out this picture of Jamarcus.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/926/fatguyjk4.jpg
April 10th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Nnamdi,
Howdy. Long time, no see. How have you been? I really like both Williams players. Both Lines need help, so we really can’t go wrong with Trent or Dan, IMO.
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Peace brutha!
Dan’s a reach and getting the ball back with good defense doesn’t make sense with how awful they’ve been.
Oaklands D is built to defend the pass and points. As long as the O keeps going 200 plays between TDs, its not going to improve.
Fraid we gotta go O line.
I like Bulaga and frankly, he may be there. KC needs to safety if they’re smart and Bulaga’s thyroid scare could see him slip.
Williams is my pick, but whether he’s there we’ll see. Wether Davis takes a lineman, well, we’ll see…
April 10th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Nnamdi,
You may have misunderstood me, bro. When I said that I have always hated Haynesworth, I meant that in terms of liking him as a person. His demeanor always rubbed me the wrong way, but there was never any doubting his capability on the field. I don’t like his attitude and am afraid of the influence his persona will have with and on his teammmates, but I can’t refuse the opportunity to put him in a Raiders uniform if it arises. What are your thoughts on having him here?
(Also, thank you for knowing that it’s “prima donna.” I can’t stand seeing pre madonna or other such retarded variants being posted. I don’t know why, but the low literacy level exhibitied here sometimes just kills me. For just that one phrase, I most sincerely THANK YOU! You have restored a measure of my faith in humanity.)
April 10th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Nnamdi,
Frankly, I’ve been saying for YEARS that our first priority should be Offensive Line… and I still feel that way. I don’t want to trade up for Suh or McCoy. I want to trade DOWN so that we can get more OL prospects and MAYBE Dan Williams or another good-against-the-run DT. However, I would be okay with trading our 2nd for Haynesworth, then trading down our 1st to get a few more OL and calling it a day. That would actually make me quite happy.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Steve,
There was a post last night that was completely unreadable.
I honestly couldn’t figure it out until I realized the problem.
He was trying to write “folks”, but was spelling it out as “focus”.
What the?
April 10th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Steve,
I agree. There are other moves Oakland could make besides Haynseworth that would be worse. Just not sure they’re going to jump big with FA money so soon.
Ha! prima donna. No problem!
217. Is logical and makes sense. Deep O line draft year.
Because its logical and rational, Davis likely won’t do it.
All great Raider teams have had good O lines. Hope they get back to that starting April 22nd.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Peace owt Nation!~
April 10th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
LMFAO! I almost want to quit the internet sometimes, lol. I grew up poor white trash on a tobacco farm, but my mom was a teacher, so I was very well educated and I tested on a college reading level midway through middle school. This upbringing has made it nearly impossible to comprehend how people can be so stupid and makes it nearly unbearable to try to communicate with people through text.
On a side-note: everyone needs to vote in their communities, whichever they may be, to raise the pay for the teachers in your area. My mother was a teacher and we had a farm… and we STILL didn’t have enough income to disqualify us from geting foodstamps. This country is a mess… and the only way to get out of it is through education. The only way to improve education is to raise the salary for teachers up to a level where the truly intelligent will not only be able to survive on teaching wages, but will also WANT to do it because it will be the best option for them. In all societies that flourished, teachers were held in high regard and rewarded as such. When a society pays its teachers less than crumbs (as ours does), then stupidity abounds and the society becomes what we see around us today. *sigh*
April 10th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Steve,
I agree that teachers should be better compensated. They should be rewarded for good performance.
I would disagree that education is the answer to our problems though. I think we have lost our moral compass.
The further we move away from God the worse things get.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Sweep,
I would rather avoid getting into a religious discussion because I don’t want to offend you or get you worked up. I agree with you on a lot of things and would hate to ruin an amicable situation by discussing something about which I have strong views that would probably piss you off. I will respectfully decline to comment on your statement there, bro.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
You won’t upset me.
I can see you are an intelligent guy. I just enjoy discussing interesting topics with someone who has good opinions.
We don’t have to talk about it though.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Sweep,
Well, I actually have to go over to someone’s house by 3am, so I have to get ready to leave soon (I’m on the east cost). However, if you want to discuss it some other time when it’s dead here (no football talk going on), then bring it up again and we’ll have a go at it. For now, though, I have to get going so I can head out. Good night, all.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Cool.
Anytime. Take care.
April 10th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Young,
I have ALWAYS hated Albert Haynesworth. That having been said, since we don’t have to worry about a salary cap, I would be okay with trading a 2nd or 3rd (reportedly what will be required) to get a proven fatguy who can occupy two blockers. The Skins are going to commit to the switch to the 3-4, so Haynesworth will hold out if he isn’t traded. This puts Washington in a horrible position… one in which they will have to trade him for less than he’s worth… AFTER they’ve paid his $20mil roster bonus. I hate having “me” guys like him on the team, but the bottom line is production on the field… and there aren’t many 4-3 DTs who can claim to be as good as he is AND are available for us to go get. I’d argue that he’d be better for us than Suh or McCoy. He’s already a PROVEN commodity, rather than a draftee. As much as I hate myself for saying it, I say we trade for Haynesworth.
That doesn’t make me want to go MLB (McClain) in the 1st, though. I still say take the best available OL until the 3rd. If Spikes is there in the 3rd, take him. If he’s gone, take OL until the 5th, then take Micah Johnson in the 5th. Our first 7th should be Connor and then the last pick should be a really fast RB or CB who can pull duty as a returner.
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As far as Haynesworth goes, that’s exactly how I feel. Never liked the guy, but the fact is he’s one of the best players at his position. He’s the kind of player offenses have to plan around, and that’s unlike anything we currently have on the defensive line. His skills would be completely wasted in a 3-4. And to be honest, I just think it’d be cool to have Seymour and Haynesworth on the same defensive line.
For the price (now that the Redskins have taken the brunt of his contract), there’s not a single player on the market right now who would have anywhere near the same impact as Haynesworth would, and he can be acquired for not much more than a 2nd round pick. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.
Who knows, maybe a 1st round pick can get Campbell as well as Haynesworth, and then the Raiders can use the second round pick to get Jared Gaither from the Ravens. Those are all players who would make an immediate impact. Al Davis is better at drafting in the later rounds anyway, he’d be better off trading those top picks on proven veterans.
April 11th, 2010 at 12:04 am
I popped back in for one more quick check of the posts before heading out the door and I agree very much with you, Young, especially on packaging our first for a player and a QB in those two trades… except for one key detail. I lived in D.C. for a few years, so I follow the Skins pretty closely. If I had to rate my fandom, I would be a Raiders fan to the level of infinity, but I root for the Skins whenever they play anyone other than us. Having said that, I’m very familiar with their team and can say with complete certainty that the best QB on their roster is Suisam… the punter. I would give our 2nd for Haynesworth, then trade our 1st for Gaither and Troy Smith.
I would love to stay and find out your thoughts on that and discuss it further, but I’m late for a visit and have to go now. Please go ahead and post everything you think about what I’ve just proposed and I’ll read it when I get back tomorrow. I really am genuinely interested in what you have to say on the subject. Goodnight, all. Go Raiders!
April 11th, 2010 at 2:35 am
Wow wacky-sheeit, I come in here and you post basically my post to you, verbatim, to Koolkell. Sad, so very sad, that you have to post my exact post and claim it as your own. You say you own a business, what do you own, a copy store?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:36 am
KoolKell Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Reekoshyt
You’re such a copycat aren’t you? lol.
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yes, he is.
April 11th, 2010 at 4:28 am
Sweep The Leg. Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Steve,
I agree that teachers should be better compensated. They should be rewarded for good performance.
I would disagree that education is the answer to our problems though. I think we have lost our moral compass.
The further we move away from God the worse things get.
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jesus christ…
April 11th, 2010 at 5:18 am
Okay, I have returned from my visit, but will be leaving again shortly. I’ll hit the board long enough to make this statements:
Why exactly is it that Christians have the audacity to say that religion and morality even RELATED to each other, much less mutually inclusive? The least moral people that I know are the most religiously devoted. Morality is part of humanity… it is not dictated by “god.” Belief in god is used in many cases to justify hatred, discrimination, and bigotry. If you don’t like what I’m doing and your little book says that it’s bad, then you feel completely justified in lecturing me on my morality… while you continue to do all the immoral things that you wish, using god’s plan or our holy scriptures as justification for it all… then, if the stuff you did wasn’t within the lines of “okay” with the bible, you just “repent” and say that you’re now good with god and all is well.
No matter what your pastor tells you, this country was not founded as a christian nation. MOST of the founding fathers were deists, not theists. They believed in “a god,” but not “the god.” Specifically, they didn’t believe in Abrahamic god. Do some research on the founding fathers’ views of christianity if you don’t believe me; there were lots of writings by them on the subject.
The man credited with writing the Declaration of Independence was Thomas Jefferson. Christians read that document and think that it sets us up as a christian nation because of a few key phrases. That’s a fine little delusion if you like it, but go read what he has to say about your religion if you want a rude awakening. He also committed one of the most blasphemous acts defined in the bible… he cut up “god’s word” and removed parts that he didn’t like, took out any parts that made Jesus “godlike,” took out all the mysticism and magic, and basically left in just the parts about loving your neighbor and the nifty allegories. Look up the “Jefferson Bible” for more info. If you think he was a christian, that the Declaration of Independence or Constitution set us up as a christian nation, or that the founding fathers set us up to be a religious state, then you are WOEFULLY misinformed, ignorant, or delusional.
The First Amendment doesn’t exist to protect your right TO religion, it exists to protect the citizens FROM religion… specifically to keep religious people from getting power and using that power to push their ideology down the public’s throat, force their “morality” on the citizenry, and write laws that are religiously motivated. This country hasn’t gone downhill because it moved away from god, it went downhill because it started being run by people “close to god.” Religious nutbags aren’t only brown people who wear turbans…
April 11th, 2010 at 5:30 am
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April 11th, 2010 at 5:35 am
The glittering genius of the Cold, Hard Football Facts is that we admire only numbers and productivity.
We put little stock in a player’s pedigree. And we put even less stock in the “pundits” and their outdated weapon of choice, the opinion, which bounces off the steely armor of our analysis so helplessly, like nothing but little pebbles of pigskin overwhelmed by our M1A1 Abrams tank of truth.
So it is today that we dive into one of the biggest stories of the 2010 NFL draft by looking at the college productivity of six legendary quarterbacks here in the modern pass-happy era.
Six Big-Name College Quarterbacks
Player Comp. Att. Pct. Yards YPA TD INT Rating*
Player A 851 1,354 62.85 11,201 8.27 90 33 100.93
Player B 825 1,232 66.96 8,772 7.12 76 37 95.60
Player C 841 1,383 60.81 10,286 7.44 84 36 93.15
Player D 493 797 61.86 6,625 8.31 52 21 99.04
Player E 564 986 57.20 7,731 7.84 51 33 85.72
Player F 661 985 67.11 9,286 9.43 88 15 120.72
* Using the NFL formula for passer rating, not the NCAA formula
The numbers aren’t even close. One player dominates. One player leaps screaming off the list, like Horshack on “Welcome Back Kotter” when he knew the answer to a question: “Pick me! Pick me! Pick me!”
That dominant individual, of course, is Player F. This quarterback:
· Was the most accurate of any of these six passers.
· Dominated the average per attempt category – our favorite number – by better than 1 yard per attempt over the No. 2 player on the list.
· Boasts a passer rating so sky high it defies description, nearly 20 full points better than the No. 2 player on the list.
Elsewhere, Player F was No. 2 in total TD passes – but easily No. 1 in TD pass percentage. Player F threw a TD on 8.9 percent of his pass attempts – easily outpacing Player A, who threw a touchdown on 6.6 percent of his pass attempts.
Finally, Player F protected the ball much better than any of the other quarterbacks on this list. Player F threw an interception on just 1.52 percent of attempts – easily outpacing Player C, who threw an interception on 2.60 percent of attempts. And you know what we’ve always told you: quarterbacks who throw picks lose games. Quarterbacks who don’t throw picks win games.
Dying to know who they are, arentcha? Well, the numbers represent the college career stats of six of the greatest quarterbacks in the modern history of the SEC. Here goes:
· Player A is Peyton Manning. He played for Tennessee in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1998 draft.
· Player B is Tim Couch. He played for Kentucky in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1999 draft.
· Player C is Eli Manning. He played for Ole Miss in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2004 draft.
· Player D is JaMarcus Russell. He played for LSU in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2007 draft.
· Player E is Matt Stafford. He played for Georgia in the SEC and was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 draft.
· And, finally, Player F is Tim Tebow. He played for Florida and the SEC and will be far from the No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 draft.
The list tells us many things.
First, it tells us that the SEC has dominated the draft in recent years, as you probably already knew. But five guys at the most important position on the field taken No. 1 overall in a 12-year stretch is a remarkable accomplishment, even by the lofty standards of the dominant conference in college football.
Second, it tells us that NFL talent evaluators are out of their f*cking minds.
Tebow, as you know, is the biggest question mark in the 2010 draft among the pigskin punditistas. He’s the highest rated passer in the history of SEC football. He was easily a better passer than Peyton Manning or Matt Stafford or Tim Couch or any of the guys whose ability to pass was never really questioned by NFL talent analysts.
And yet NFL evalautors for some reason aren’t sold on Tebow. Couch and Russell are two bona fide NFL busts, even though pro football talent evaluators couldn’t usher them into the league fast enough. Yet these same talent evaluators harbor grave doubts about the ability of the greatest and most efficient passer in SEC history to pass the ball at the next level.
Consider, Charley Casserly, the longtime NFL executive turned NFL Network analyst, who was on the air Thursday telling the world that Tebow will go no higher than the fourth round of the draft next month.
Other executives seem obsessed by the trivia over Tebow’s mechanics, while overlooking the rather irrefutable fact that he dominated college football like no player in memory and despite the fact that he was, by any objective measure, a much better passer than Couch, Russell, Stafford, and either of the Manning brothers.
Tebow not only passed the ball far more effectively than any of these No. 1 overall picks. It pays to remember that, in his spare time, he set the SEC career record for rushing touchdowns. Oh, and he won a Heisman Trophy and two national titles. Other than that, he didn’t do much.
The anti-Tebow crowd will argue, weakly, that he was surrounded by greater talent than those other passers.
The anti-Tebow crowd, of course, has its head up its ass.
Let’s look at Peyton Manning. Last we remember, he played with not one, not two but three receivers taken in the top two rounds of the draft: Joey Kent, Marcus Nash and Peerless Price. His team was so loaded with talent that it won the national title the year after he left.
JaMarcus Russell played with arguably the most talented teams of the past decade. They won national titles in 2003 and 2007 and he watched as 34 of his LSU teammates were grabbed in the NFL draft.
Stafford? Well, Georgia is a prolific pipeline of NFL talent. Stafford was one of three starting offensive players from the 2008 Bulldogs taken in the first 50 picks of the 2009 draft (Knowshon Moreno, Mohamed Massaquoi).
Ole Miss is hardly the SEC’s best hotbed of talent. But almost the entire offensive line that protected Eli Manning was good enough to earn a shot in the NFL, including not one but two of his centers: Ben Claxton (2003 draft) and Chris Spencer (2005), one of a small handful of centers ever taken in the first round of the NFL draft.
Couch? Sure, he didn’t have much around him. In fact, he’s one of just three first-round draft picks to come out of Kentucky in the last 25 years. But in any case, his passing numbers pale in comparison to those produced by Tebow.
The anti-Tebow crowd could also throw out the old David Klingler argument. You know, “anybody can put up big stats in the college game.”
But Tebow didn’t just put up big stats … he put up supremely efficient stats. He was more accurate, and produced more big passing plays, and was more likely to put the ball in the end zone, and more likely to keep it out of the hands of opposing defenders, than any of the recent collection of No. 1 passing phenoms to come out of the SEC.
Tebow was, by any measure, a better player, a better quarterback and, yes, a better passer than any of these No. 1 picks.
We understand that college success does not translate to NFL success. The long history of Heisman winners turned NFL busts underscores that argument.
However, in the gamble that is the NFL draft, we’ll roll the dice on the proven and unmatched passing talent of Tebow rather than on the sorry track record of pro football talent evaluators.
April 11th, 2010 at 5:37 am
sorry about the cut and paste above…
i tried a number of different methods to paste a link… even breaking it up… but the site would not have it…
April 11th, 2010 at 5:41 am
Alright, I’m heading back out. Feel free to discuss what I said in my absence. I’m sure that all the good christians will call me a liar and say that I’m full of it… even though I backed up all my claims and told you to look up what you don’t believe. They make this handy took on the intarwebs called “Google” where you can go type in something like, oh say… “founding fathers deists” and see what’s there or possibly… “Jefferson views on christianity” or even “Jefferson bible.”
I even forgot to mention the Pledge of Allegiance. It was written by a PASTOR… but funnily enough, didn’t contain the phrase “under god.” It made no mention of religion at all, as was dictated for all government stances by the Constitution.
Then, in the height of McCarthyism, in an effort to distance ourselves from the “godless” communists, Congress voted to add the phrase “under god” to the Pledge. Once again, the religious majority pushed its views on the public and violated the right guaranteed by the First Amendment for any schoolchild to NOT have religion pushed on him by the government. How was it pushed? The taxes that we pay the government funds our schools. Schools require kids to say the Pledge of Allegiance. Any child who doesn’t wish to participate in anything having to do with religion is forced to say it. Think it’s harmless? How would you feel if Muslims got control of Congress (legally, through elections) and passed a Congressional Act changing it to “under Allah” Would you still be so lenient about it then?
Do you want to cry about how prayer was taken out of schools? Let me be the first to correct you, dear bleeding-heart christian: Prayer was NEVER taken out of schools. What was taken out? FORCED PRAYER. Any student who wants to pray may do so silently as long as he/she doesn’t disrupt classroom activities. Back in the day, the teachers would lead the class in a prayer every day, usually multiple times daily. I bet you christians aren’t seeing a problem yet, right? You’re saying, “Well, if the kid doesn’t want to take part in the prayer, they don’t have to. No problem.” Now imagine the same situation, with your child in the class… and the teacher is Jewish… or Hindu… or Muslim. Do you still say the same thing? Are you still okay with the teacher leading that prayer for the class to participate in? Why is it so abhorrently wrong for someone who believes differently to force their religion on YOU… but perfectly acceptable for you to force YOUR beliefs on me… or on the impressionable young minds of our country’s children? It’s not… and that’s why FORCED PRAYER was banned from public schools.
I’m fully prepared for them to say whatever they want in order to defend their beliefs in a fairy tale about the big man in the sky who watches everything that they do and loves them and has a mansion in the sky waiting for them with streets of gold and pearly gates when they die. He loves them so much that he sent himself to earth as himself and then allowed himself to be killed while asking help from himself just so they can get forgiveness from him for being the way that he made them.
April 11th, 2010 at 5:42 am
Have a good morning, Raiders fans. I’ll check back later to see if anyone replied. Peace!
April 11th, 2010 at 6:30 am
Steve Alford…
very well done…
April 11th, 2010 at 6:52 am
priesttj Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
While all you haters are namecalling Russell and professing him to be lazy and dumb. He is tearing it up in camp and he has the coaches attention. He loks good and is taking this team back on a day by day basis.
I would love to see some evidence of this happening.
April 11th, 2010 at 7:15 am
I don’t see Williams at No. 8. I think he’ll be a good player, but I think we can fill this important role on defense in the later rounds or free agency. Basically, we’re looking for a Grady Jackson, Gilbert Brown type elephant to just clog a good chunk of the line. Those two and many others who have excelled in that role were taken much later in the draft.
April 11th, 2010 at 7:22 am
Steve
I have worked for many generals as a sub and the worse ones were by far the “Christians”
Some of the crap they pulled on me and others was in direct opposition to the teachings of the Bible, yet they would brag about going to Church and doing works at the same time.
One reason for this IMHO is the devil and the rest of the fallen angels “work” on Christians instead of “heathens” because Christians will “save” more people whereas heathens are only gonna help people spend eternity in hell with him.
I am of the belief that the Bible is truth however I do not go around beating people with it. I dont think I have ever even mentioned it in here. I just wanted to let you know that all Christians are not the same just as all heathens are not the same. Some are moral and some are not, just like Christians.
Take teachers as an example. Your mom must be a very good teacher, who loves educating young people, however many, teachers are just there for a paycheck and many more are rotten inside and out as well as being too stupid to learn, let alone teach.
Yet we dont lump all teachers in the same pot and we should not lump all Christians in a pot as well.
April 11th, 2010 at 7:25 am
I don’t agree with Jerry’s assessment of the DT situation.
They don’t need a nose tackle type of DT. They need a penetrator.
Tommy Kelly was supposed to be the guy who split the blocks and got into the backfield but clearly he is not doing that. I think he signed the big contract and ate his way into a blocking sled. He doesn’t has the quickness or the slashing ability to do the job he was signed to do. I doubt he ever did, but that’s another topic.
Sapp was effective because he got upfield penetration. That disruptive blocking patterns and didn’t allow teams to run effectively to the outside. Plus it collapsed the passing pocket.
Warren, Kelly, and formerly Sands are just three bodies. None of them could penetrate into the backfield. Which is the biggest reason why teams have to double team a defensive tackle.
It is simple math. If you have two DT’s who require double team blocking, there is still only three interior linemen to block them. A constant mismatch.
Getting a big fat body who just takes up space will not accomplish anything.
April 11th, 2010 at 7:40 am
I guess the religion is the topic du jour.
What else to write about on a Sunday morning when there’s game coming up.
I personally believe that the bible is a good foundation for moral behaviour. Even if you don’t believe in all the supernatural aspects of it, there is still a good system of values and social responsibilities that can be taken from it.
Unfortunately there are always people that pick and choose from the writings to justify their own poor behaviour. Like when someone says, ” the Lord helps those who help themselves,” in order to justify their own greedy behaviour.
People still should act properly and decent towards each other, and not just claim a higher morality because they attend church every weekend or have a dusty bible tucked away in a drawer.
That’s my two cents.
April 11th, 2010 at 7:43 am
Since Cable took over the Raiders have been very methodical about how they are rebuilding.
1.Only high character players.
2.Only good value salary commensurate with production.
3.Accountability is paramount and is supported by Mr. Davis
The mess that was created with Kiffin (I know that Mr Davis is ultimately responsible) has finally been cleaned up. Hall,Walker,Wilson,Warren,Burgess,Green etc. finally gone.
I supported the JR pick though I was cautious to predict him as a project.
After that I have been preaching to REBUILD THE LINES and that has been delayed and our suffering has continued.
Football is won along the line of scrimmage and that will be addressed in this draft.
We will draft OT,DT,OG or ILB in that order and we will start to win.
Guaranteed.
Dmac is alot like Charlie Smith, Clarence Davis. He is solid ballplayer and he will be good. Get him some BLOCKING.
DHB looks alot like Branch. Branch did nothing in his first three years.
JR may not make it. I guarantee he is not making $9 mill this year. His contract has been renegotiated and if he does not progress rapidly he will be cut.
Kelly must produce or he will be cut.
We are on our way.
April 11th, 2010 at 7:43 am
The A’s are in first place and Lincecum pitches today!!
April 11th, 2010 at 7:44 am
Florida Pete,
All well and good with the Tebow stats, there. I would ask these two question, however, because (as we all know), stats can be deceiving:
How many of the passing yards Tebow is credited with are yards gained after the catch, and where and how far was he actually throwing those passes? It struck me, having seen Florida play many times during Tebow’s career there, that the team relied heavily on getting the ball to their skill players quickly and letting them make plays.
Short passes, high completion percentage, lots of yards (after the catch). Can skew the stats. Ask Steve Young.
April 11th, 2010 at 7:55 am
Florida Pete Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 5:35 am :
Nice post, BUT, college ain’t the pros.
Just off college numbers, players like Stefan Lefors, Rudy Carpenter, Brian Brohm, Colt Brennan, John Beck, and others should have also had success in the NFL. But I can’t recall seeing their names on any Pro Bowl roster.
April 11th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Charlie Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 7:43 am
Since Cable took over the Raiders have been very methodical about how they are rebuilding.
1.Only high character players.
2.Only good value salary commensurate with production.
3.Accountability is paramount and is supported by Mr. Davis
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You are assuming that Cable has a say in the draft. That is a very big assumption, and one that has not been consistant with past Raider history.
April 11th, 2010 at 8:07 am
I would love to see TT in Silver & Black but he will not be there in the second round.
April 11th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Northern
Mr Davis always has solicited opinions from his coaches and scouts.
I assure you much of the spending and craziness that went on under Kiffin had alot to do with Kiffin.
His MO was obvious at Tennessee and Mr Davis predicted what would happen when he left the Raiders and it did.
All of that being said, Mr Davis has ALWAYS built teams from the outside in.
His thinking is use very high first round picks on elite skill players and as you get better you will use lower first round picks (15 and higher)on lineman.
That is what we are doing.
I prefer to build the lines first because I think you become better faster but Mr Davis is taking a methodical approach and it will work.
The biggest miss has been JR.
I fully supported the pick though I did caution that he will be a project.
April 11th, 2010 at 8:13 am
[...] Oakland Raiders don’t like to sink money into part-time players, Tennessee defensive tackle Dan Williams won’t be chosen with the 8th pick of the 2010 NFL [...]
April 11th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Good call Charlie.
Al is large and in charge and he wants to win whereas some owners are more concerned with the bottom line and putting a decent product on the field.
Al will do everything under his power to possess another VL.
It sounds like Al made a play for McNabb. A smart play because he did not simply offer more then the Skins.
I predict a blockbuster trade coming soon from Al.
He needs someone to stop the dam run so he can draft oline and hope that JR becomes a better then average QB at the worse.
April 11th, 2010 at 8:38 am
Plunkett,
So you prefer an owner who “wants” to win over an owner who CAN/DOES win?
April 11th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Plunk:
Did you mean to say, “…more concerned with the bottom line THAN putting a decent product on the field”??
April 11th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Plunkett,
I see you FINALLY accepted the facebook friend request. Only took a couple of months, lol.
Are you a Giants or A’s fan?
April 11th, 2010 at 8:50 am
One of these days I am going to be up at 1 am on here and get in a battle royal with SteveAlford.
Smart dude, good points, lots to debate with.
April 11th, 2010 at 8:54 am
Vegas:
When you do….I would like very much for you to cut/paste his discussion points and offer a point/counterpoint rather than a “shotgun blast”.
April 11th, 2010 at 8:54 am
Let’s see Timmy Chang’s stats!!!!
BTW, My money is on Tebow eventually being the best QB in the draft.
The guy might actually believe that he is Jesus. We need that type of confidence around here.
April 11th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Didnt Martin Luthar take parts out of the bible that he didnt agree starting the Protestant Reformation I believe.
April 11th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Wait a minute! I thought someone said eariler that Jimmy Clausen thought HE was the second coming and that it was a “personality problem”!!
April 11th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Biggest problem Al has is having a draft pick in the last 5 years in the first round that has worked out.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Vegas,
according to BlackHolePriest JRuss is no longer the fatted calf (or golden calf), but has transformed himself into the great warrior who will be able to make the sun stand still in the sky as his troops do battle.
who can challenge the unleashing of such an awesome display? Not Tebow.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Sucks that it took Huff so long to make any type of impact, but I think he is a damn good football player, and probably the best safety in the division.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:06 am
Priest………yikes.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:08 am
LT DAN:
Not really. Google him. Then get back to talking football.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Ron
Its Als team. He runs it his way and I accept that.
I would rather have Al then most other owners anyway.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Vegas
I waited to throw MR off the trail.
Thanks for reminding him : )
April 11th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Vegas,
I took some liberties in paraphrasing what BHP wrote last evening, but hey, the tone of Biblical references was set earlier in the morning.
O-line in ‘010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 11th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Al Davis is the worst owner in the NFL, he hasnt always been, but he is now. He may indeed WANT to win but wanting and doing are 2 different things.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:13 am
Frank
I am more of a math guy then english.
Besides HS was 35 years ago and I worked in the trades so I had no nead for then or than.
But thanks for reminding me
April 11th, 2010 at 9:15 am
Ron
This year will prove all the al haters wrong.
I personally gurantee that.
BEST YEAR EVER!!
April 11th, 2010 at 9:16 am
RaiderRon is the worst contributor on this blog, he hasn’t always been, but he is now. He may indeed WANT to win an argument but wanting and doing are 2 different things.
funny how things work out isn’t it?
April 11th, 2010 at 9:17 am
You personally GUARANTEE it!! Well hell, ALL IS GOOD!! LOL! Why would you even post such drivel? You personally guarantee it?????? LMFAO!
April 11th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Unlike Al Davis, I DO win, always. Thanks Lonetree.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Plunkett
Mr Davis will not go after another veteran via trade or free agency.
He got Seymour because we simply could not compete on the Dline and Seymour is a very high character guy.
McNabb was never in play.
I see Vegas is back on line.
Vegas: my point about drafting lineman with high picks is for the Raiders TODAY and for the last seven years.
Our lines are in AWFUL shape due to years of neglect.
Our run defense stats are the best evidence in the world (please do not talk about weak safety play and MLB play as the primary cause).It is a WEAK LINE that is to blame first and foremost.
Our offensive line nearly got three QB’s killed last year.
I agree that if you have a solid core unit you can try second and third rounders to keep the units strong.
We simply do not have that core group in place yet.
We will invets out first two picks this year on lineman.
It is essential.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:27 am
I took your advise and googled Martin Luther. It said he changed or omitted 18 books of bible. There are also 7 more books in the Catholic bible than in the Protestant bible. I will follow your advise and get back to football. Trade for Haynesworth, Gaithers and Campbell. It will create more competition and upgrades at two key Raiders weaknesses (sp) sorry if its misspelled
April 11th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Plunketthead Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Vegas
I waited to throw MR off the trail.
Thanks for reminding him : )
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Don’t worry he was all bark no bite.
Gave him my e-mail and predictably, he cowered and did nothing.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:31 am
# SteveAlford21 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 12:04 am
I popped back in for one more quick check of the posts before heading out the door and I agree very much with you, Young, especially on packaging our first for a player and a QB in those two trades… except for one key detail. I lived in D.C. for a few years, so I follow the Skins pretty closely. If I had to rate my fandom, I would be a Raiders fan to the level of infinity, but I root for the Skins whenever they play anyone other than us. Having said that, I’m very familiar with their team and can say with complete certainty that the best QB on their roster is Suisam… the punter. I would give our 2nd for Haynesworth, then trade our 1st for Gaither and Troy Smith.
I would love to stay and find out your thoughts on that and discuss it further, but I’m late for a visit and have to go now. Please go ahead and post everything you think about what I’ve just proposed and I’ll read it when I get back tomorrow. I really am genuinely interested in what you have to say on the subject. Goodnight, all. Go Raiders!
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See, I don’t think Jason Campbell is entirely deserving of the bad rap he got playing in Washington. There are a few things about him I like. First of all, his improved every year he was the starter. Secondly he has a very positive attitude an a solid (dare I say, Gradkowski-like?) work-ethic. Thirdly, he’s very physically gifted, which means that if he works on his decision-making, the sky is the limit for him. The only thing is, assuming coaching was the main problem for Campbell in DC, I’m not entirely convinced the coaching he’ll get here will be any better (although with Ted Tollner and Paul Hackett still around, who knows).
That said, I do like Troy Smith quite a bit and I think he deserves a shot at being a starting QB in this league. Although it’s worrying that his former offensive coordinator hasn’t pushed to bring him in, I try not to read much into it because I’m sure that selling Big Al on bringing in specific players, especially at the QB position, isn’t the easiest thing to do.
Another QB I think deserves some consideration is Chris Redman of the Falcons, who played respectably before the Matt Ryan era began. He also did a pretty decent job filling in for Ryan when he was injured last season.
The point is, the Raiders absolutely need to bring another QB in to compete with Russell and Gradkowski.
That said, The draft is loaded with mid-late round talent, and I think if Al brings in another QB it’ll be through the draft. I think Dan LeFevour and Tony Pike are both very interesting prospects, and I’d love to see what those guys can do in camp.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Charlie,
My feelings on the O-line is not the same for the D-line.
IMO, D-line is the 2nd most important position behind QB.
I just think our O-line concerns are a tad overstated. The last three years we have been a top 10 rushing team twice (last year 21st).
I have always said that our drafting issues isn’t the position it is the player. As long as the guy in the first round is solid, I really don’t care what position.
But if we draft Bruce Campbell, he can flop and still set the team back again.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Even Ravens bloggers are pushing for Gaither-to-Raiders.
Check it:
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/04/gaither_and_the_draft.html
It does cite his less-than-stellar work ethic. But he’d make an immediate impact on our offensive line play, and if we drafted some young OT prospect behind him, he could be a very solid stopgap move to get the Raiders competitive again.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:38 am
LT DAN,
if you wish to check further, there was a gathering of all the High Muckety Mucks of early Christiandom in Constantinople in the 4th or 5th century A.D. whereat they decided what was proper to allow as New Testament and what was to be thrown out. Things that did not fit with their version of reality were dismissed.
Some of those excised teachings, such as The Gospel of Thomas can be found in a book entitled the Nag Hammadi Library (translations of ancient documents found in sealed jars in 1946 in the Egyptian desert). Makes for some very interesting reading of Christ’s teachings.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Good post YA the trade and a draft pick to push him. More competition we have the better
April 11th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Is Michael Huff worth $5 million?
April 11th, 2010 at 9:41 am
No Huff is not worth 5 mil
April 11th, 2010 at 9:43 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Is Michael Huff worth $5 million?
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Compared to TK, Russell, Javon and plenty of others, absolutely.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:46 am
VR,
I am worth $100K compared to the guys you just listed.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:47 am
I guess Huff should be asked to restructure…if he hasn’t already.
I hope that happens AFTER the draft. Otherwise, you know who will be on the roster after April 22nd
April 11th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Gotta go to bed cyall later
April 11th, 2010 at 9:50 am
Look at the history of Christians and compare it to Egyptian history.
Son of God!
12 Disciples!
Resurrection
It’s all there 3000 years before Christ!
April 11th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Its very interesting how the 3 major religions came from the same area.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:13 am
SnB,
I agree with Russell needing to be pushed.
I agree that Grads should not be handed the job for the same reasons Russell shouldn’t.
Just “don’t know” if Campbell is the direction I’d like to go in. Honestly would like to see Russell behind an adequate Oline and with a decent play caller. If Russell isn’t the answer, I’d like a guy like John Skelton, or maybe even Colt McCoy.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:15 am
I guess Huff should be asked to restructure…if he hasn’t already.
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Huh ???
Huff is cleary the 2nd best DB on the team, and the first guy who has been able to play the single deep safety at a high level since Rod Woodson, IMO.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:20 am
I know RR will agree with you, but I like to see what Huff can do as a CB.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:24 am
After hearing enough about Gaither’s work habit or lack there of, I am happy the Raiders are not going there. We seriously dont need another malcontent and lazy fata$$ to join the Jawalrus.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:32 am
281. I think sometimes the purpose of religion is to inveigle and obfuscate.
The whole pirpose is to deny and limit knowledge.
What was the demise of man in the garden of Eden? the tree of KNOWLEDGE.
Organized “western” religion asks for blind “faith” which meqans a denial of reason, logic and too foten compassion.
Questioning religion itself is controlled by thought stopping because their are no real answers many times.
None that makes sense.
The technique is called thought stopping and often involves demonizing.
“Questioning something about our religion we can’t answer? Thats Satan tempting you!”
My religion? COMPASSION (above all) Reason, Logic by a quantification of facts from as many diverse sources as possible and deducing which is the more likely by a preponderance.
God dwells within our hearts and actions.
Bad news for religions like Mormons and others who try to corner the market and profit big time.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:32 am
With all the talk about prospects here Some moves Oakland should make but probably won’t.
1. Move on Jason Campbell for a 3rd or 4th rounder. I think is he a Flacco type QB that would work well with Oakland is doing and has some mobility while OK rebuilds its line.
2. After making this move cut JR save some money (unless there is something I do not know about a personal “Jesus moment” with JRs work ethic.
3. Let BG and JC battle for QB
4. Raider board should be:
Note: Teams don’t do mock drafts they have boards for draft positions
1. Trent Williams – Completes outer flanks of offensive line if other higher rated OTs available take them but I don’t think that is realistic
2. Dan Williams – Allows Oakland to convert to 3/4 defense and personal would then be in place for that and there should be improved run defesne
3. If DW and TW are off board and for some reason Clausen or Suh is on the board attempt to trade down (this is something AD never does but there will be opportunities if these guys slip to 8. One of these two will likely be there if both DW and TW are off board.)
In the second round they should look for a run stuffing DT if they take TW if they take DW they should look hard at the best Center prospect available. The OTs left at this point are probably not worth taking.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:34 am
275. Charlie, we may NOT invest the 2 picks on the lines. I agree, we should, but Davis might be thinking “No, thats just what they’d EXPECT me to do!”
April 11th, 2010 at 10:34 am
My opinion is that the Oline is the most important unit on the team.
1. With a solid offense your defense is simply not on the field making the defense better by default.
2. Football is a game of time and space.
EVERY skill position player needs time and space to be effective.
Some need more than others but they all need it.
The offensive line is the only unit on the team whose sole purpose is to create time and space.
3. QB is the second most important “unit” on the team.
The problem is that without a solid Oline, the QB is either hurt or inconsistent. Tom Brady is a classic case of what happens when a good QB is not protected.
4.The D Line is the third most important unit.
Its’ sole purpose is to ELIMINATE time and space.
This unit can make DB’s and LB’s better than their individual skill sets would allow because they either do not have to cover as long or they do not have to take on downfield blocks etc.
I would love to find the next Jonathan Ogden in the seventh round.
It should be obvious that the percentages say you will have a better CHANCE of finding the next Jonathan Ogden in the first round.
We are desperate on both lines and need help NOW.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:40 am
LOL …
I love Raider Church on Sundays.
Good informative stuff from Alford, M, and the rest of the Raider deacons.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Davis likes to be diverse so teams can’t pigeon hole the Raiders and truthfully, most chapionship teams are multi-dimensional.
When Oakland lined up in a 3-4, especially last year, they’ve looked good more often than not.
They won’t dedicate themselves to a full time 3-4. They don’t have to.
Whether thats good or not? I can see the merits.
I think the core will remain 4-3 with the usual variations, 5-2, Wolverine, goal line ect.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Charlie,
Walker and Barnes seem like inevitible starters. RT and RG seem to have their names on it.
You seem to think that OT will be the pick at 8. Even if Williams is gone? Will anyone other than Okung or Williams move Henderson to backup status?
April 11th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Hadn’t heard about Gaither’s problems with being lazy. Frankly, never looked too hard at him cuz I don’t see him coming to Oakland, but the times I’ve seen him play, he’s been productive.
Agree we don’t need another lazy guy though. He would provide some beef on the line to move the pile in short yards
April 11th, 2010 at 10:44 am
I think if there is a job opening on the lines for the #8 pick it would be along the Dline.
DE if Seymour moves to DT or DT if Seymour is staying at DE.
Unless of course Henderson is on his way out of Oakland like Gaither is on his way out of Baltimore.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:45 am
301. Irf Bulaga’s there and he clears medical with his tricky thyroid problem.
I think he may slip to us.
I don’t think T Williams will now that he’s getting buzz about going to us.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:50 am
JHILL
Walker and Barnes are backups at best.
Henderson developing.
Gallery coming off back surgery. No guarantees on that one.
Satele C+
Carlisle 33 and declining.
We are in big trouble on the oline.
First pick is an OT. Second pick DT.
Third pick OG or ILB.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:51 am
im not sure if we go oline at 8 or not. i do think zbs should be scratched regardless of who is on the oline. go back to a power scheme. hopefully hue jackson took alot of notes in baltimore on how to run power blocking scheme because baltimore’s run game was a beast.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:54 am
D line doesn’t make as much sense with the 1st round since fixing the D line only puts our anemic offense back on the fieled more often and sooner.
Unless McCoy or Suh falls.
McCoy has more growth potential. Suh may have topped out like Howie Long’s kid.
I really think KC and Cleve may go safety this year with their 1st round. They should.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:55 am
jeremy 1012 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 10:51 am
im not sure if we go oline at 8 or not. i do think zbs should be scratched regardless of who is on the oline. go back to a power scheme. hopefully hue jackson took alot of notes in baltimore on how to run power blocking scheme because baltimore’s run game was a beast.
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#1?
Bad azz FULLBACK.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:56 am
Nnamdi,
Here is the info on Gaither’s work habit. You dont just let a good Tackle go for a 2nd rounder. There has to be a reason why. the following is from PFT.
A clue to why Jared Gaither is available
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 11, 2010 11:41 AM ET
There is an obvious red flag to any team that’s interested in Ravens tackle Jared Gaither: Baltimore is willing to move him.
The Ravens know what a quality tackle looks like. The fact they are reportedly eager to deal Gaither for a second-round pick should create doubt in the minds of interested teams.
I’ve wondered why Baltimore was willing to part ways, and got a clue Sunday in the Baltimore Sun. Ken Murray refers to Gaither’s “half-baked work ethic.” (That’s better than wake-n-baked work ethic.)
Gaither has put enough impressive play on film that he’s still among the more likely veterans to get dealt on the draft’s second day.
April 11th, 2010 at 10:59 am
305,
walker held his own and actually played pretty productive when pressed into guard duty despite being a late pick up and not playing guard before that. i think that if he is put at rg from day 1 that he will be ok. he would be better than carlisle. who knows about barnes. he played decent in jax until his final season there where he flamed out. never got to see him last year because he got so far behind with his injury and his reluctance to move to rt. i would rather draft pouncey and get a road grader at center. satele and morris? those guys get man handled every play.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:02 am
308
bad azz fullback would be a helluva start. thought we were going to have that with OO. maybe he can still be that guy. hopefully he is 100 % now. it damn sure isn’t going to be Lawton though.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:04 am
maybe somebody can clone John Ritchie.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:06 am
# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:35 am
Wow wacky-sheeit, I come in here and you post basically my post to you, verbatim, to Koolkell. Sad, so very sad, that you have to post my exact post and claim it as your own. You say you own a business, what do you own, a copy store?
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First off, my slapped on sorryass cross posting loser, you stupidly tried to make a point that I totally torched. You’re welcome to post it again, so I can torch it again.
More importantly, and equally as pathetic is this is about the 25th time that you sign on here, late at night, after bringing your 15 year old date home, to just post TO ME. You sign in at 2:30 in the morning…JUST TO POST TO ME? lol…damn, you’re pathetic.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:08 am
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ALL DAY…ALL NIGHT..hell, the only break you had was to stuff your face at 1:00 and at 5:00…other than that you were here EVERY SINGLE HOUR….
That was Monday..total day spend sitting on his large bulbous ass, posting here..along with a dozen other sites he lives on…
So Tuesday? No way he could spend another day as a vegetable, can he?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:09 am
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April 6th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
…holy shyte, lol…
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April 11th, 2010 at 11:13 am
The Raiders were the only team not to attend Oklahoma’s pro-day.
If Al were to select T Williams at #8, that would be the ultimate stealth, under the radar move.
I don’t see it.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:16 am
# Nnamdi21 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 10:54 am
D line doesn’t make as much sense with the 1st round since fixing the D line only puts our anemic offense back on the fieled more often and sooner.
Unless McCoy or Suh falls.
McCoy has more growth potential. Suh may have topped out like Howie Long’s kid.
I really think KC and Cleve may go safety this year with their 1st round. They should.
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Congrats…this is only the 14th time you posted this exact same post.
It’s one thing living on this board, like Kelli the Loser, but is it too much for you to try and formulate something you haven’t already posted a couple dozen times?
What’s the over/under on how many more times you’re going to run that sissy “I still have Russell’s back”??
seriously..you’ve only posted that about 70 times..why not go for an even 100?
Like Kelli, you need a freaking life.
read a book.
Get a hobby.
pretend you know people..something…it’s like your silly comments are your security blanket..where you feel you HAVE to post, regardless of how many times you babbled it.
IF I ever get as bored in my day as you seem to be every day, for fun I’ll paste a couple dozen of your “repetitive, exact same point” posts..just to laugh at ya.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:20 am
lol
But thats not the funny part. The funny part is Uncool Kell and his tag teamer BFF have been hating on the Raiders, picking fights, spouting nonsense, chasing newbies away and proving beyond any reasonable doubt that theres something seriously wrong upstairs and they have been doing it every day, every week and every month for
FOUR YEARS RUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!
April 11th, 2010 at 11:24 am
Charlie, good post #298. I don’t agree 100%, but you make a good case for your points.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Vegas,
I wonder about the Oline. Langston Walker is CLEARLY not a Tom Cable kinda guy, while Khalif Barnes is a Cable guy.
Personally, I think we are set by Cable’s standards and probably won’t go Oline until rd 3 at the earliest. I’d be SHOCKED if Henderson is out at LT. Not mad, but SHOCKED.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:29 am
aig Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 10:24 am
After hearing enough about Gaither’s work habit or lack there of, I am happy the Raiders are not going there. We seriously dont need another malcontent and lazy fata$$ to join the Jawalrus.
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Agreed,
I kind of wondered why Baltimore would give up a good Tackle….they are so hard to find…
The Raiders simply don’t do well with players that are not self-motivated…
April 11th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Oline and Dline help shouldn’t mean disregard value.
I agree that Okung, Williams, Iupati, or Pouncey would be good value picks in the first rd. Other than that, too many options at 8 to lock in on OT.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Jhill,
If not Jason Campbell, then tell me what QB that is available can provide good competition for the QB spot and be relied upon to play the season.
I think you would be hard pressed to find someone better at that price.
Maybe Mark Bulger? But he’s older
April 11th, 2010 at 11:31 am
# Plunketthead Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 11:20 am
lol
But thats not the funny part. The funny part is Uncool Kell and his tag teamer BFF have been hating on the Raiders, picking fights, spouting nonsense, chasing newbies away and proving beyond any reasonable doubt that theres something seriously wrong upstairs and they have been doing it every day, every week and every month for
FOUR YEARS RUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!
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You forgot “and playing the race card for every comment made that counters their idiot takes”.
No small surprise that both of them are quickly reduced to “NO MAS” after getting schooled.
Pretty funny, actually, to pop back to April’s of years past, or August, where predictions and “guarantees” run rampant.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:32 am
J,
I don’t see why would get rid of Mario at LT. He struggled at times, but it was basically his first full year at LT.
Every year there is a handful of LT’s taken in the first round. I would give Mario one more year at LT, and if he doesn’t improve, than go get a LT next year.
And Mario is an Al Davis guy, which is all that really matters.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:33 am
jhill,
we had too many options last year to lock in on DHB too.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:35 am
big al has already told cable who their drafting. we just have to wait to see.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:36 am
At this stage, I would rather draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th round and see what you have, rather than trade for Campbell.
Campbell is who he is, a high completion % guy, who is good for an 18-15 TD-INT ratio and takes way too many sacks.
Would he help us in 2010? Probably. But he has played with Pro Bowlers all over the field (LT, RB, TE, WR) and never even got his team into the playoffs.
Remember 2007, when the Skins were 5-7 with Campbell, than he got hurt and Todd Collins came in and went 4-0 to end the season and get them in the playoffs.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:37 am
SnB,
Personally not looking for a band aid veteran QB to start this year. Need to get answers on Russell or Gradkowski behind a decent Oline and with an adequate play caller.
If those guys aren’t the answer, we need to be looking at the draft, not someone else’s failed project.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:38 am
What up NATION?
For all you guys that want to give up a second for baltimores Gaither, her is an interesing thread from pft;
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/11/a-clue-to-why-jared-gaither-is-available/
April 11th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Campbells taking sack could be attributed to washingtons awful offensive line…
April 11th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Jeremy,
I guess we’ll see about DHB. Personally wanted Maulauga or Orakpo.
But the Raiders felt that DHB was the best WR in the draft, that would add to what JLH and Chaz brought to the table.
Not sure that the #1 OT on the Raiders board will be there at 8.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:40 am
We tried the backup route as starters with Green and Harris. Disastrous.
Free agents are free for a reason.
I am telling you Oline is the first round pick.
It leverages everyone on the offense and protects our QB. As I said earlier, it is possible that Gallery could be out are inneffective given surgery and Barnes had his chance and could not beat out Green. Walker is on the downside of his career as is Carlisle at 33.
DT is critical in the second round. Our run defense starts with the DT spot.
Third round we might go with a guard who could move Carlisle to the bench.
A solid ILB is also a possibility in round three.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Campbell > JRUSS, Grads, & Frye
Grads = Stand up guy…
April 11th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Thec07 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Campbells taking sack could be attributed to washingtons awful offensive line…
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Washington had one of the best LT’s and rushing attacks in the game for 3 years of Campbell starting.
Last year, it fell apart on the Skins line, but in 2007, that was one of the best O-lines in football.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Until otherwise noted the raiders have 4 stand up guys on the whole team;
1. Seymour
2. Grads
3. Murphy
4. Mitchell
April 11th, 2010 at 11:42 am
SnB,
We’ve shown over and over again that we need strong personalities to function under Al’s anything goes lockerroom. Rich Gannon was great to keep the kids in check. I’d like to see us get more disciplined players in here.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:43 am
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Jhill,
If not Jason Campbell, then tell me what QB that is available can provide good competition for the QB spot and be relied upon to play the season.
I think you would be hard pressed to find someone better at that price.
Maybe Mark Bulger? But he’s older
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Bulger’s body is shot.
Victim of horrible o’lines, and horrible OC’s.
All started with Mike Martz exposing Bulger to vicious hit after hit, trying to justify his benching of Warner for Bulger.
That and the fact Ram qb’s were not allowed to audible left Bulger exposed to far too many sacks.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:45 am
jhill,
i want DHB to succeed and show up everyone who doubted him but im not sure if he can even be as good as jerry porters punk azz or even james jett. Hell, probably not even as good as another 1st rd wr of the raiders, jessie hester.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:45 am
vegas raider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Thec07 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Campbells taking sack could be attributed to washingtons awful offensive line…
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Washington had one of the best LT’s and rushing attacks in the game for 3 years of Campbell starting.
Last year, it fell apart on the Skins line, but in 2007, that was one of the best O-lines in football.
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07 he was sacked 21 times…whats your point?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:47 am
09 he was sacked 43 times… so he line was good in 07, and lousy in 09… what this proves is that the oline will contribute to a QB being sacked…
April 11th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Uh no wacky, what IS pathetic is you have to post word for word my post to you as your own to flame someone else. By definition, you just flamed yourself. Classic Wacky, classic!
April 11th, 2010 at 11:47 am
336,
nnamdi is stand up on the team and in life in general.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:47 am
That the team was better with Todd Collins than Jason Campbell.
If he can’t get it done behind an elite O-line, what is he going to do here?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:51 am
An “elite oline playing his first near full season, after switch offensive coordinators and learining new schemes. How much is that factored in?
As far as what is he going to do hear, that simple what is any QB gong to do hear with out building the trench….. Nothing…. 4-12, 5-11 at best no matter who you put under center….
April 11th, 2010 at 11:51 am
HEY, lol…as GUARANTEED…I show up, and there is Seymour/Oakglen/CaptainBlack/Debo..right on cue.
Like the little beyotch he is.
Hey Oakglen..tell us all who the leading rusher for the Niners were…for the previous two years?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:52 am
THEN you can explain why I have you jumping through hoops, to where your sorryass signs in AT 2:30 IN THE MORNING..just to post to me.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Jason Campbell’s career W-L record as a starter. Anyone care to guess?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:53 am
· Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
And hasn’t Thomas Clayton actually led the Whiners in rushing the last two seasons? Wack-o you HAVE TO TRY to be this STUPID. No one could be as stupid as you naturally.
April 11th, 2010 at 11:53 am
2007 Redskins 9-7 went to the playoffs….
April 11th, 2010 at 11:54 am
So vegas his W-L record can be attributed to what?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:54 am
Clayton Stats NFL:
Carries: ZERO
Yards: ZERO
Oakglen: MORON
April 11th, 2010 at 11:54 am
So is the QB responsible for the team winning and losing?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Vegas, How many OCO’s and schems has Campbell had to learn?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Something for you guys to laugh about. Chris Rock is one funny dude. He is actually pretty darn intelligent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg2tqglPW7w
April 11th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Vegas, of those games how many where lost by the defense?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:57 am
sorry this link is better. It ahs the whole thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPn-mzuZ2hM
April 11th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Campbell played 13 games for the skins in 07 took them to the playoffs, behind an “elite” line….
If gibbs though collins was better why didnt he play him?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:58 am
20-32.
The Redskins record over the 5 years when he wasn’t playing?
17-12.
Interesting side-note, Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski each started their first NFL game against each other.
Guess who won?
April 11th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Thec07 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 11:53 am
2007 Redskins 9-7 went to the playoffs….
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2007 Skins were 5-7 with Campbell, 4-0 with Collins.
Read for yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Washington_Redskins_season
April 11th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 11:58 am
20-32.
The Redskins record over the 5 years when he wasn’t playing?
17-12.
Interesting side-note, Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski each started their first NFL game against each other.
Guess who won?
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Again whats your point? are you saying grads is a better QB?
April 11th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Say Wacky, you’re the blog loser. We come here JUST to beat you down! Funny thing is you somehow have not realized it yet.
April 11th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
So why was Campbell starting?
April 11th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Joe gibbs NFL SB winning head coach starts Campbell over collins why? When collins was playing was campbell injured? who where the loses against, and did the D Blow?????
April 11th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Thec07 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
So why was Campbell starting?
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Same reason Jamarcus started here last year.
Invested in him with a 1st rounder, so they let him play.
Campbell wasn’t benched, he got hurt, and than Collins came in. I doubt anyone thought Todd would go 4-0, but he did.
April 11th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Vegas, point taken…
April 11th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Say Wack job are you going to repost my post #362 and change your name to mine and take credit for it? So now you are a proven liar AND a thief.
April 11th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
You guys have a great weekend….
ltr NATION…..
April 11th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Again whats your point? are you saying grads is a better QB?
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Not quite going there yet, but Campbell has certainly been given the better opportunity to succeed.
Campbell is 20-32 for a 38% winning %.
Bruce is 5-10, for a 33% winning %.
Both have been available for a reason.
April 11th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
# vegas raider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Again whats your point? are you saying grads is a better QB?
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Not quite going there yet, but Campbell has certainly been given the better opportunity to succeed.
Campbell is 20-32 for a 38% winning %.
Bruce is 5-10, for a 33% winning %.
Both have been available for a reason.
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Washington went out and got Colt Brennan, Chase Daniel last year, and now signed Donovan Mcnabb in addition to Todd Collins. Doesn’t sound to me like the Redskins organization thought too much of Jason Campbell.
April 11th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
vegas..
I somewhat agree, but still it ridiculous to make stats on so few games…
April 11th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Let the Jimmy Claussen era begin.
April 11th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Thec07 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
So why was Campbell starting?
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Same reason Jamarcus started here last year.
Invested in him with a 1st rounder, so they let him play.
Campbell wasn’t benched, he got hurt, and than Collins came in. I doubt anyone thought Todd would go 4-0, but he did.
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Hold on. Even though I believe JR should start this year, I respect your argument that he should have to compete with Grads for it. But last year?? You think the only reason he started was because of the investment in him? You don’t think he deserved to go in as the unquestioned starter??
April 11th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Debo,
I believe he should have been the unquestioned starter. I just don’t think it should have taken so long to bench him.
I supported him after week 1, I thought he played better than his stats looked, but once he went to KC the wheels completely fell off.
The 2008 version of Jamarcus would have never let Bruce even see the field. Something happened last year, and I hope Russell get his mojo back. I just am not very confidant in that happening.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Vegas you bring up a good point. I don’t know so much that Russell lost his mojo as much as other factors. Whether you are an offensive lineman, running back, these players have to put in an unbelievable amount of work to get to this level. So when the linemen are doing extra weight work, or receivers are staying late, or Grads is lifting on off days, or Frye is there at 6 in the morning, and where is Russell? Sleeping in?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Debo,
I believe he should have been the unquestioned starter. I just don’t think it should have taken so long to bench him.
I supported him after week 1, I thought he played better than his stats looked, but once he went to KC the wheels completely fell off.
The 2008 version of Jamarcus would have never let Bruce even see the field. Something happened last year, and I hope Russell get his mojo back. I just am not very confidant in that happening.
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You’ve been consistent with that take. I just didn’t get the part about him starting last year because of the investment. And I’m still pissed that we brought in Garcia because that opened the door for a lot of JR bashing. I think it cost JR some momentum. Nonetheless, I’m very optimistic he’ll get his mojo back.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
It all makes for good blog back and forth, but the bottom line is not many people believe that even an all pro QB like Donovan McNabb could make this team a playoff contender as presently constructed.
WTF was Jamarcus Russell supposed to do?
The Oline injuries, WR injuries, and bad play calling blew it for us.
Russell played the worst game of any QB I’ve ever seen play game 2 in KC and we STILL WON!
Gallery’s injury in that game was the nail in the coffin.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
I’m sorry…what was your reply again, Oakglen?
Here’s what YOUR IGNORANT ASS POSTED:
Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Gore: two good years, and now the Whiners are looking to get someone else
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Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
And hasn’t Thomas Clayton actually led the Whiners in rushing the last two seasons? Wack-o you HAVE TO TRY to be this STUPID. No one could be as stupid as you naturally.
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Then…YOUR IGNORANT ASS FOLLOWED THAT WITH THIS:
Seymour Bush Says:
March 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
The Whiners drafted Glen Coffee in the 3rd round last year and he proved to be basically a bust. Thomas Clayton lead the Whiners in rushing the last two years before this one you complete utter dummass, but you didn’t know that did you? RB is on the top of the Whiner wish list asswipe.
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CLAYTON HAD ZERO CARRIES, ZERO YARDS, YOU FOOL.
Yes, I told you…going to be LMFAO at your idiot takes…for a loooong while.
Now,..quick…tell us about your 15 year old “hottie”, lol
April 11th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
jhill Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
WTF was Jamarcus Russell supposed to do?
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Gosh…maybe showing in shape would have been nice?
Actually spend the offseason studying the playbook so they wouldn’t have to dumb it down for him?
Maybe come in early and stay late..MORE THAN ONCE?
Take responsibility for playing bad, instead of blaming it on the receivers not being “where I threw it”??
Be a nice start…..don’t you think?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
I’m not sure what exactly you mean by “stand up guy” but your list is missing T Branch, S Lechler, R Gallery, Nnamdi, T Scott, M Shaughnessy, D Bryant, I
Ekejiuba, M Huff, Z Miller, C Schilens, and T Stewart.
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# Thec07 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Until otherwise noted the raiders have 4 stand up guys on the whole team;
1. Seymour
2. Grads
3. Murphy
4. Mitchell
April 11th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
I love it when Oakglen posts as Seymour, then switches to Debo, then back, lol.
Kind of humorous, actually.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Big Dan makes sense…to a regular team.
Honestly, stopping the run and giving the ball back to an anemic offense like Oaklands has been makes little sense.
Fix the O line, save the Raiders
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So not stopping the run and letting the opponent hold the ball and score…and THEN give the ball to our anemic offense makes more sense?
Let’s face facts. The offense is going to be garbage until the Raiders get a real QB. Stop the run, run the ball and throw on playaction…that’s who we are
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Yeah…..in the end this team will not go anywhere without a good QB. I have confidence that Grads can run the offense but the O-Line needs a Center like Pouncey if they are going to ride with Mario and Khalif at the tackle positions and with L Walker at RG….the Center position is still a problem.
Pouncey would contribute immediately at Center and can play either Guard spots in case of injury. That kind of versatility is very important to the middle of that Raider O-Line.
Adding Pouncey or T Williams to the O-Line is important when it comes creating depth and versatility to an O-Line that is going to need it….especially if Grads is going to be the starter. Can’t afford to have him get hurt can we?
I have ZERO confidence in cough syrup/alcohol drinking Juggs Russell until he PROVES otherwise.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
OakDork? Bring back Captain Black…just for fun.
Have Seymour/Debo/CaptainBlack posting to each other, lol…3 Stooges all in one
April 11th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
jhill Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
It all makes for good blog back and forth, but the bottom line is not many people believe that even an all pro QB like Donovan McNabb could make this team a playoff contender as presently constructed.
WTF was Jamarcus Russell supposed to do?
The Oline injuries, WR injuries, and bad play calling blew it for us.
Russell played the worst game of any QB I’ve ever seen play game 2 in KC and we STILL WON!
Gallery’s injury in that game was the nail in the coffin.
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Jhill,
You’re hitting it right on the head. His work ethic, or lack therof, are issues because he had a bad year and we lost games. But I think the real issue was the supporting cast. Again, name a QB in the last 15 years that lit it up with 2 rookie WRs starting? And the OL play went downhill real quick after Gallery and Green got hurt. DHB killed JR and Grads and finally got benched. He should have been benched before JR IMO. And let’s not even talk about the running game. These are all the reasons why I believe JR should get a mulligan.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
# jeremy 1012 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 10:59 am
i would rather draft pouncey and get a road grader at center. satele and morris? those guys get man handled every play.
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CHUUUURCH!!!
April 11th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
The only thing I would ad to #379 is maybe not skipping, meetings, falling asleep in meetings, or being late for meetings. Photo shoots in Vegas with his gut and bling on FULL display I could also do without.
But he he’s only the #1 pick why would you hold him to any kind of a standard? Russell is a meat head.
The end.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Plunketthead Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Good call Charlie.
Al is large and in charge and he wants to win whereas some owners are more concerned with the bottom line and putting a decent product on the field.
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I have not seen any examples of Al wanting to win. If you can think of any, let me know. The best way to demonstrate you want to win is to do what the winners in the league are doing. I haven’t seen Al do that in about a decade. You can call what Al’s doing right now whatever you want, but trying to win is not it.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
# Thec07 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Until otherwise noted the raiders have 4 stand up guys on the whole team;
1. Seymour
2. Grads
3. Murphy
4. Mitchell
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RIGHT ON
We need a more football lifers, that are willing to put in the work and be vocal
April 11th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Now wacky and mistabrOwn? They both gloss each other, they both just parrot what others say, they both fight against the same posters and they show up at the same time? I wonder if they are the same ignorant POS? Yup.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Funny watching Priest NnamdiNutJob, and Seymour/Oakglen/Debo constantly try and save face by trying to justify Russell being the WORST starting qb, in the league, in his first two years behind center, by running the “team’s fault..Not JR’s fault”
Wasn’t the team that came in unprepared..that was on JR.
Wasn’t the team that had zero pocket awareness..that was on JR.
Wasn’t the team that took all those unnecessary sacks, that was JR.
Wasn’t the team that fumbled after just being touched..that was JR.
Wasn’t the team that missed players WIDE OPEN..that was JR.
Wasn’t the team that stated “JR is going to get you guys killed, you should say something”..that was KC’s WR.
Wasn’t the team who, when asked what they felt about JR coming back in, stated “NO COMMENT”..that was….
Oh wait…that was the team.
Here’s MY GUARANTEE..that those mentioned above..will run the ‘NOT JR’S FAULT HE DIDN’T PERFORM, AND GOT RELEASED..IT’S THE TEAMS”
April 11th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
# Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
I love it when Oakglen posts as Seymour, then switches to Debo, then back, lol.
Kind of humorous, actually.
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Wacky I think you have lost what little mind God gave you.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Richochet, how can you be certain the playbook has been dumbed down for Russell when we’ve been using a dumbed down playbook pretty much since Gannon left? I don’t care who said it’s been dumbed down, Cable or otherwise. The Raiders offensive gameplan is dumbed down by default. Al Davis believes in an offense that no longer worked in the ’70s. There’s a lot to blame Russell for but where I draw the line is where people start blaming him for things that have been going on here when he was still in high school. Russell is being used as a scapegoat by a lot of the kool aid drinkers who refuse to ever blame Al, and you’re just helping their cause by blaming Russell for the fact that the Raiders use a vanilla offense.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Plunketthead Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Good call Charlie.
Al is large and in charge and he wants to win whereas some owners are more concerned with the bottom line and putting a decent product on the field.
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I have not seen any examples of Al wanting to win. If you can think of any, let me know. The best way to demonstrate you want to win is to do what the winners in the league are doing. I haven’t seen Al do that in about a decade. You can call what Al’s doing right now whatever you want, but trying to win is not it.
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What are the winners in this league doing?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Oakglen what happened to your other alias BsDetector?
LMFAO @ the irony!
April 11th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
You would get more credibility, oakglen, if you ACTUALLY BACKED UP YOUR WORDS. That’s why YOU, Kelli, and Priest have zero. When challenged to BACK UP YOUR WORDS, you don’t. (and yes, we all know that’s why, at some point, YOU CHANGE YOUR HANDLE..YET AGAIN)..but..I digress..
anything on the following…THAT YOU STATED?
Come on worm..find a backbone..borrow one.
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I’m sorry…what was your reply again, Oakglen?
Here’s what YOUR IGNORANT ASS POSTED:
Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Gore: two good years, and now the Whiners are looking to get someone else
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Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
And hasn’t Thomas Clayton actually led the Whiners in rushing the last two seasons? Wack-o you HAVE TO TRY to be this STUPID. No one could be as stupid as you naturally.
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Then…YOUR IGNORANT ASS FOLLOWED THAT WITH THIS:
Seymour Bush Says:
March 29th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
The Whiners drafted Glen Coffee in the 3rd round last year and he proved to be basically a bust. Thomas Clayton lead the Whiners in rushing the last two years before this one you complete utter dummass, but you didn’t know that did you? RB is on the top of the Whiner wish list asswipe.
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CLAYTON HAD ZERO CARRIES, ZERO YARDS, YOU FOOL.
Yes, I told you…going to be LMFAO at your idiot takes…for a loooong while.
Now,..quick…tell us about your 15 year old “hottie”, lol
April 11th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Do you feel as stupid as you look, in the above comments?
LOL..you must..how could you not?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
You know wacky, humour is a sign of intelligence. So there’s the reason you did not get the joke.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Oakglen what happened to your other alias BsDetector?
LMFAO @ the irony!
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Oh yeah, lol…I forgot that one.
I want to hear more about his comment about “Just went to bed with a hottie half my age”…then the next week, he posted that the hottie he went to bed with was now, all of a sudden, a “20 year old hottie” …trying to cover up the previous weeks faux pas.
So..you still dating that same girl, Oakdork? What is she…15 or 20?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Seymour,
First off, hiring general managers, when you consider what winning owners do.
Allowing their GMs to build teams. Sure, some financial decisions that have an effect on football operations have to inevitably be made by the owner, but for the most part, most owners hire a football guy who knows what he’s doing.
Now, from a GM standpoint,
Most GM’s build from the trenches on out, with the QB typically being the first skill position player. Al Davis builds from the perimeter on in. He doesn’t believe the offensive line and the defensive front 7 are as important as corners and receivers, which is just stupid in today’s game.
I’ll ask you a question, Seymour. Take the New Orleans Saints, the world champions. What are the RAiders doing like the Saints? Better question yet, what are the Raiders doing TO BE BETTER than the Saints, since being the best should be the goal of every owner in this game?
Plunkethead said that Al Davis wants to win. Again, I’ve seen no signs of hit. But I await either yours or Plunketheads’ examples to the contrary.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Oakglen what happened to your other alias BsDetector?
LMFAO @ the irony!
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I am not BS Detector. BS Detector is ANOTHER of the MANY posters who comes in here and wipes his ass with you, mistabrOwn.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
The winners in the league are NOT glossing JaMarcus Russell.
The winners in the league dont play J Fargas when Bush & McFadden are on the roster.
The winners dont bench J Walker when he’s healthy enough to play so DHB can put a tire around our necks.
The winners don’t wait until week 10 to bench the 35th ranked Qb out of 32 NFL teams.
Of course you would have to have to know basic fundamentals to get any of this.
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# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
What are the winners in this league doing?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Seymour,
First off, hiring general managers, when you consider what winning owners do.
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Is that how Jerry Jones built all those teams in Dall-ass?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
I vote for oakglen to come back and post as oakglen.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
MistabrOwn, you never put a set of pads on in your life have you? I mean, you didn’t even do it for Halloween when you were little did you?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
LMFAO..THAT’S YOUR REPLY?
You honestly don’t realize ANYONE reading it obviously sees your insults..
YOU WOULD LOOK LESS PATHETIC IF YOU JUST STATED: My bad.
Instead..you post:
“Thomas Clayton lead the Whiners in rushing the last two years before this one you complete utter dummass, but you didn’t know that did you? RB is on the top of the Whiner wish list asswipe.”
AND
“And hasn’t Thomas Clayton actually led the Whiners in rushing the last two seasons? Wack-o you HAVE TO TRY to be this STUPID. No one could be as stupid as you naturally.”
AND YOUR REPLY IS ‘I was just kidding”???
You’re toast, Oakdork, lol…you moron.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Oakglen is the laughing stock of this Blog. Hence the name change(s)
April 11th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
How about when you stated that BARRY SIMS BEAT OUT JOE STALEY FOR STARTING TACKLE??
Were you just “kidding” on that?
well?
Come on worm..back up your words…Debo..I mean..BS..uh…Seymour…Oakdork…wait..who are you today?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
I vote for oakglen to come back and post as oakglen.
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Oakglen obviously SO KICKED them around the blog, they are still shell shocked and looking under every stone for the mythical oakglen. Quite humorous really.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Seymour, I said most owners. Some owners know the game better than others. And when you look at Dallas’s results in recent years next to ours, I think it answers the question as to who knows more about the modern day game between Jerry and Al, doesn’t it? I hear a lot of Davis loyalists say that Al Davis knows the game better than any other owner. Unfortunately, Jerry Jones has dispelled that myth. Jones knows the game far better than Davis. That being said, Jones only gets Dallas to the playoffs anymore. They haven’t won a Super Bowl since they had Jimmy Johnson’s team, when he was essentially the coach/GM. Switzer won it with Johnson’s team in ‘96, just like Callahan took Gruden’s team to the Super Bowl in ‘02, and Gruden won it with Dungy’s team.
The point being argued here is Al Davis wanting to win.
I don’t see it.
Still waiting for examples. You seem to want to talk about DAllas now. We’re talking about THE RAIDERS, AL DAVIS, AND WHAT HE DOES TO WIN. I don’t see anything. Still waiting for your examples.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
No it was Jimmy Johnson drafting E Smith, M Irvin, T Aikman, and J Novacek.
It was J Jones who ran out J Johnson when J Johnson was getting too much credit…A la AL Davis
Oakglen, do you need any further clarifications on NFL football ?
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# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Is that how Jerry Jones built all those teams in Dall-ass?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Bringing in a GM does not mean diddely squat.
Most of them are halfass football men and halfass beancounters.
Al will turn things around this season or I will eat a big fat juicy cactus at the game in Phoenix.
Hopefully its near the end of the season and we are in the playoff hunt.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Oakglen is the laughing stock of this Blog. Hence the name change(s)
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You would be right on that.
Kind of funny watching him hope others are fooled by the name changes, and the cross posting..too damn stupid to not make it obvious.
Hey, Seymour…quick…go tell us how awesome that guy “OakGlen” was..the guy you stated originally you “Have no idea who that is”..but then started quoting, lol….
April 11th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
This is sad & pathetic ALL in one.
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# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Oakglen obviously SO KICKED them around the blog, they are still shell shocked and looking under every stone for the mythical oakglen. Quite humorous really.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Plunkethead, still awaiting your examples of Al Davis wanting to win.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Vegas,
Care to post Gradkowski’s career numbers?
How about his numbers in 2009.
Beating out JaDavis is not the standard. In fact, beating out JaDavis means nothing.
BTW, most QBs bust their azz in the film room etc…JaDavis’ antics were the exception.
I can’t believe we would turn the offense over to a short QB with horrible accuracy just because he beat out a stiff…..
April 11th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Seymour
I thought Oak was a good poster and talked a lot of football but he never kicked them around the blog.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
AL over paying FA’s is an example of him wanting to win.
Things didnt work out obviously but he is trying.
Also a example of him needing a GM..
Sorry Plunk but you seem incapable of an example.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Plunkethead, can you give an example of Oakglen posting “good” ?
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Plunketthead Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Seymour
I thought Oak was a good poster and talked a lot of football but he never kicked them around the blog
April 11th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Mr. Brown retired Oakdork..was kind of painful watching Oakdorks/seymours swan song…leaving..tail tucked…
quite pathetic, actually..lol…he was actually waiting for posters to say ‘don’t go’..instead he got laughed at, and told ‘don’t let the door hit you in the ass” followed by “wonder who you’ll be posting as tomorrow”?
that would have been BSDetector…followed by Captain Black…and…well..that list is long.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
How about when you stated that BARRY SIMS BEAT OUT JOE STALEY FOR STARTING TACKLE??
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The Whiners traded up BIG to get Staley, and then he had to play on the right side because he couldn’t beat out Snyder and Sims. He now plays on the left side. But you knew that right?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Plunkethead, some examples of Al Davis trying to win, too, if it’s not much trouble.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
awww…widdle Oakdork has retreated…feeling all “picked on”…hey, we know you’re reading, waiting for us ‘big bully’s’ to leave…so let’s laugh along at yet another of your gems, Oakdork.
Seymour Bush Says:
March 20th, 2010 at 1:22 am
I am sorry but I have been out all night with a very hot Peruvian woman half my age and I come and see this. All I have to say is this: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHHAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
April 11th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Plunkethead, some examples of “good” posts from Oakglen too, if it’s not much trouble.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Yes I did put Oakglen in a coffin. Mysteriously this clown named Seymour shows up out of nowhere with an axe to grind with me….LMAO
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Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Mr. Brown retired Oakdork..was kind of painful watching Oakdorks/seymours swan song…leaving..tail tucked…
April 11th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
MB, Al overpaying players doesn’t necessarily prove that he wants to win. There could be other nefarious reasons for overpaying players, like raising the market value of other players and bankrupting the teams seeking to sign them. When you consider Al’s history of off field battles, it fits his profile. So, I think his overpaying of free agents has more to do with that, his misery loves company approach to management today. I don’t see where he wants to win. He wants to win, he just goes out and gets the best players he can. We’re into a non cap year, aren’t we? What moves has Davis made for some of the top notch free agents? None. This man wants to win about as bad as he wants to see Jon Gruden or Lane Kiffin being on the front page of the paper holding the trophy under the headline, “Raiders finally do it”.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Oakdork???? WTF??? You on drugs? You don’t recall me torching that?
*sigh*..it’s like slapping around the little retard…ok..for fun…read and squirm, nitwit.
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Seymour Bush Says:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
They are looking to replace Joe Staley..
· Richochet Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Staley was a steal…DUMBASS..
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That SHOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR HINT, moron, but, lol….hell no…you still insist on setting yourself up.
I THEN POST TO YOU:
Why do this to yourself, moron?
Staley is the 49ers best lineman..he’s rated as one of the steals of the draft…YOU FREAKING DUMBASS..
LOL..you need to stop making this so easy for me.
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AGAIN, YOU IGNORANT FLEA, THAT SHOULD HAVE TIPPED YOU OFF TO SHUT UP, lol…but…nope..it’s Oakglenn..the board beyotch…soooooo
Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Staley: Started at RT, didn’t work out, moved to LT and is now looking to be replaced!
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RICHOCHET: Yes, LMFAO..you stupid ignorant waste of space…Staley was so good IN HIS ROOKIE CAMP, HE BEAT OUT THE STARTER FOR RIGHT TACKLE.
Got that, OakDork?
He was SO SOLID AS RIGHT TACKLE, THE NINERS IN YEAR TWO PUT HIM ON THE QB’S BLIND SIDE, you ignorant dumbass…Where Staley played EXCELLENT EACH AND EVERY GAME UP UNTIL HE GOT HURT IN WEEK 10 LAST YEAR, moron.
I INFORMED YOUR IGNORANT ASS THAT HE WAS THE NINERS BEST LINEMAN. See..you should have actually checked before you stupidly set yourself up for me to laugh at your stupid ass.
DUMBASS..lol…yes….LMFAT AT YOU, DUMBASS.
This is up there with some of your really ignorant takes, silly boy.
SIMMS NEVER WAS THE STARTER, YOU FOOL.
Yeah, Pedophile, Going to be laughing at you for a long time on this one, moron.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
I’m feeling picked on? No, wacky, you are the one that got picked on. You were the neighborhood Nancy weren’t you wacky?
As for mistabrOwn, ask him about climate change. He will tell you that if you take a block of ice, and put it on a plate….. I mean that might be the DUMBEST THING EVER posted on the ENTIRE internet. EVER!
April 11th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Oakglen is quiet..
LOL
April 11th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
I think Seymour is part of a group of guys who work for the team. If not, I don’t know what his trip is. Why would you spend so much time defending someone while getting nothing in return?
April 11th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Al Davis has proven himself to be a winner all his life. It is a fact of life that cannot be debated.
Only the truly demented would waste away their life starting typefights over it.
PS A little advice just for you
All that hate is bad for you, mentally and physically.
You need to let go. Maybe try a yoga class or learn to meditate on the finer things in life, like the meaning of love
April 11th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
That was a dead giveaway, lol..wasn’t it?
Then he attacks me…out of the blue…then attacks MR, and Kelli…in the same day.
Only too obvious.
He’s not the brightest bulb..is he?
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Yes I did put Oakglen in a coffin. Mysteriously this clown named Seymour shows up out of nowhere with an axe to grind with me….LMAO
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Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Mr. Brown retired Oakdork..was kind of painful watching Oakdorks/seymours swan song…leaving..tail tucked…
April 11th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
WTF? lol
Oakglen, can you put a complete thought together?
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# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
As for mistabrOwn, ask him about climate change. He will tell you that if you take a block of ice, and put it on a plate….. I mean that might be the DUMBEST THING EVER posted on the ENTIRE internet. EVER!
April 11th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Wacky the point of the entire thing is YOU SAID the Whiners drafted well. You brought up Staley, Gore, Crabtree, Davis. THAT IS FOUR GUYS in 10 years. Nnamdi has had a better career than those guys combined. Where are the other 70 guys wacky? You never answered that question!
April 11th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Define good
April 11th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
I was waiting for you to elaborate on your famous “block of ice on a plate” theory. Only you know how the physics of that works.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
You can disagree all you want but pursuing FA’s and then OVER paying them to sign with you is not only an attempt to win but a desperate one at that.
Sorry you lose (again).
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
MB, Al overpaying players doesn’t necessarily prove that he wants to win.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
The 9ers have drafted well. Only a idiot would suggest otherwise.
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Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Wacky the point of the entire thing is YOU SAID the Whiners drafted well.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
You know, Oakdork, you’re not coming across too well here.
You stupidly comment on Clayton being the leading rusher..NOT ONCE, but twice
(sorry moron, but when you want to run the “was being sarcastic” card? that only words for ONE post..when you follow the one with another, with insults in both..playing the “just kidding” card makes you look really stupid..which, you do quite well, BTW)
And then you run the “Simms beat out Staley” comment, which also exposed you as being dumber than cotton…
And now you’re in “denial mode”..the ‘I CAN’T SEE YOUR COMMENTS” mode? lol…
Yep…you’re toast, little boy.
Backing up your comments is something you’re just not capable of doing…hence the DOZENS OF HANDLES YOU HAVE.
You’re just sad..in so many ways.
April 11th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Plunkethead, hate’s bad for you, too. You hate people who talk about Al Davis. And, hate’s bad for Al Davis. Talk about a man riddled with hate. It’s funny how Al’s loyalists talk about how people who hate Al, and how hate is going to ruin them, etc. There is no bigger example in popular culture of someone being flat out ruined by hate than Al Davis.
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/123234/AL-DAVIS.jpg
As far as Al being a proven winner his whole life? His life must have ended in 2003, then.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Yes I did put Oakglen in a coffin. Mysteriously this clown named Seymour shows up out of nowhere with an axe to grind with me….LMAO
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MistabrOwn you did not put Oakglen in a coffin. If you did you wouldn’t be crying his name at night in your sleep in terror. That’s why you come here all the time looking for him. He buried you so many times you don’t know which way is up do you? But hey, since you think Sarah Palin is a genius you are completely deranged and delusional.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Plunk you dont even thank me for answering MR for you!
You thankless bastad…
April 11th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
SnB,
I never said to hand things over to Bruce, just blindly.
He should get a chance to compete for the job, and I just think he would win the competition.
IMO, Al might have luckily stumbled into something. We need fire from the QB position. Russell has zero fire, at least last year, and Campbell has never been known as a fiery leader.
I know you don’t believe in the “rah-rah” stuff, but I believe HEAVILY in it at certain positions (QB being #1 on the list).
Just a couple of months away. Things will play themselves out in camp, and I believe Bruce will be starting week 1.
If he stinks, Campbell, Troy Smith and plenty of others will be available in 2011.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Wacky the point of the entire thing is YOU SAID the Whiners drafted well. You brought up Staley, Gore, Crabtree, Davis. THAT IS FOUR GUYS in 10 years. Nnamdi has had a better career than those guys combined. Where are the other 70 guys wacky? You never answered that question!
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Oh geez..you don’t much recall, do you?
WRONG…THE POINT WAS A POSTER STATED THAT THE NINERS FORMER GM HAD DONE A GOOD JOB..
YOU stupidly stated “he did not. The ONLY player that he drafted that was any good was Patrick Willis”..
I then schooled your ignorant ass with the “Staley, Davis, Gore, Crabtree…etc” reply.
You ok, pumpkin? lol…you’re rather lost.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
# Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Backing up your comments is something you’re just not capable of doing…hence the DOZENS OF HANDLES YOU HAVE.
You’re just sad..in so many ways.
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Now you’re back to the dozens of handles card? What is wrong with you? Every time you get your ass handed to you, that is your response: “you have dozens of handles.” First off that is preposterous, and 2ndly moronic. But you think it works don’t you? No one else does. So what about the other 70 players wacky?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
How would you know. You didnt show up on this blog until Oakglen disappeared! You said you have NO idea who Oakglen is! Remember?
LMFAO @ you.
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Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
MistabrOwn you did not put Oakglen in a coffin.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
So..why won’t you answer, Oakdork?
Was that girl you dated, in back to back weeks, 15, or 20?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Well, I was never playing a game with you, MB, so declare yourself the winner all you want. lol. But I do stand by my point that Al Davis could have just as easily overpaid those players to jack up the price of better players that other teams were pursuing. A lot of Davis loyals were in here justifying those ridiculous transactions with that theory. And, again, look at this free agent season. Who his Al pursuing? It’s a non capped year, isn’t it? Merriman? Peppers? Who did he go after? Either he’s flat broke, or he doesn’t want to win.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
# Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Wacky the point of the entire thing is YOU SAID the Whiners drafted well. You brought up Staley, Gore, Crabtree, Davis. THAT IS FOUR GUYS in 10 years. Nnamdi has had a better career than those guys combined. Where are the other 70 guys wacky? You never answered that question!
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Oh geez..you don’t much recall, do you?
WRONG…THE POINT WAS A POSTER STATED THAT THE NINERS FORMER GM HAD DONE A GOOD JOB..
YOU stupidly stated “he did not. The ONLY player that he drafted that was any good was Patrick Willis”..
I then schooled your ignorant ass with the “Staley, Davis, Gore, Crabtree…etc” reply.
You ok, pumpkin? lol…you’re rather lost.
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Wacky, wacky, wacky, So Vernon Davis who his own coach sent to the locker room and told the entire world he can’t win with him, who has had one good year in four, is some Hall of Famer? Wacky, you OK?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Don’t you just love dangling a little bait?
And watch him nibble?
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
How would you know. You didnt show up on this blog until Oakglen disappeared! You said you have NO idea who Oakglen is! Remember?
LMFAO @ you.
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Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
MistabrOwn you did not put Oakglen in a coffin.
D
April 11th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
How would you know. You didnt show up on this blog until Oakglen disappeared! You said you have NO idea who Oakglen is! Remember?
LMFAO @ you.
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hahahahahahahahaha! MistabrOwn after you called me and others oakglen repeatedly, I figured it might be wise to see who this guy is. He actually is kind of solid poster on this blog in the past. You are completely considered the blog turd. It’s been documented for years here. Why do you think you are NOT the blog turd?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
That’s it, Oakdork?
Vernon Davis? OUT OF ALL THAT, THAT’S IT? lol…
Geez…
Here..look at my reply…AGAIN…then squirm…AGAIN.
Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Davis: One good year
RICHOCHET: Hey, dumbass? McC picked him, and last year Vernon Davis was one of the top TE’s IN THE LEAGUE,
5TH IN THE LEAGUE, DUMBASS
…so much for “Only player McC picked that was good was Willis”
April 11th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
I think back in the 60’s Oakglen blew his nose and his brains fell out.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
So..why won’t you answer, Oakdork?
Was that girl you dated, in back to back weeks, 15, or 20?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
And are you saying you actually got someone to go out with you more than once?
Why you afraid to answer?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
wow…that question has him shaking….odd.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Oh, I know…the “hot” 20 year came over…right Oakdork?
She slumming today? lol…
April 11th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Davis: One good year
RICHOCHET: Hey, dumbass? McC picked him, and last year Vernon Davis was one of the top TE’s IN THE LEAGUE,
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So one good year makes him a Hall of Famer? Now you know everyone thinks you’re wack
April 11th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
MistabrOwn,
I saw your comment from my pissing contest with Priest the other night.
I told him I was black, just to see if he changed his tune as it pertained to Jamarcus.
I got less viciousness, but the same amount of ineptitude.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Race shouldn’t matter, right? So why does it matter if Sweep the Leg is black? Suddenly race matters when a black guy sides with the white guys.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
I think back in the 60’s Oakglen blew his nose and his brains fell out.
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Man, what a unique bright statement.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Davis: One good year
RICHOCHET: Hey, dumbass? McC picked him, and last year Vernon Davis was one of the top TE’s IN THE LEAGUE,
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So one good year makes him a Hall of Famer? Now you know everyone thinks you’re wack
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WTF???
Are you STUPID??? Who the hell mentioned HoF??
YOU STATED THAT THE GM ONLY SIGNED ONE GOOD PLAYER…ONE.
now you’re only reply is trying to lie? Trying to change what was said? Only one who brought up HALL OF FAME is you..because your ass just got torched..and you’re desperate to say something/anything.
you think others can’t read? That others are stupid? That others are going to read your silly replies and not laugh at you?
Seriously?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Poor sad sad sad wacky. Just don’t get it do you?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Seymour, instead of sinking down to their level with the personal stuff, why don’t you just argue against their points? I’ll give you a hint, Richochet said something that was wrong about football today. See if you can find it.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Wacky he had one good year and his coaches made a spectacle of him on national TV. But he is a hero in your ignorant stupid eyes huh?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Oakdork? Why you avoiding the question regarding your date?
15 or 20?
Did you actually get someone to go out with you more than once?
that was a lie, wasn’t it?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Sweep I saw it but the fact that you are white is besides the point. TJ was under the impression you were black and he still called you a racist. He is a race perpetuating bigot.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Yet, you are replying to Oakglen whom you say you dont know!
LMAO
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# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
I think back in the 60’s Oakglen blew his nose and his brains fell out.
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Man, what a unique bright statement.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Real MaddenRaider I don’t read their points on football. I just make fun of them. Everyone does. Then they get pissed off and start fuming. It’s quite entertaining really.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Words from a guy that injects race into anything & everything!
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Race shouldn’t matter, right? So why does it matter if Sweep the Leg is black? Suddenly race matters when a black guy sides with the white guys.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Yet, you are replying to Oakglen whom you say you dont know!
LMAO
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# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
I think back in the 60’s Oakglen blew his nose and his brains fell out.
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Man, what a unique bright statement.
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See, this is what I am talking about. MistabrOwn makes a statement you would expect a six year old to say, I comment on it, and he thinks I am oakglen. MistabrOwn, as much as I hate to say it, you need psychological counseling from the damage that oakglen guy did to your brain, ego, and self esteem. Plus, maybe you could work in some weight loss while trying to better yourself.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
What’s wrong with injecting race into anything and everything? Afraid we’ll learn something about you?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Mistabrown,
That’s just it. He really got under my skin with his racist crap.
I giving up with trying to make that point to him, it just pulls me down as well.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Yeh, priest is bringing the black man down by insisting that some people are being tough on Russell because of his race.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
LOL @ the Hypocrite that is MR
April 11th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Wacky he had one good year and his coaches made a spectacle of him on national TV. But he is a hero in your ignorant stupid eyes huh?
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You’re so lost.
First off, OakDork, try and follow the dots.
When a new coach comes in and reams a player, on national tv, and sets the tone, AND THAT PLAYER COMES BACK, ADMITS HIS MISTAKE, AND COMMITS HIMSELF..and works his ass off..to the point he’s made TEAM CAPTAIN..to where he then is 5th IN THE NFL, AT HIS POSITION, it’s viewed as a GOOD CHOICE.
Oh…DUMBASS???? Vernon Davis was also IN THE PROBOWL last year.
Now..why don’t you again REPEAT YOUR IDIOT COMMENT THAT THE ONLY PLAYER THAT McG signed that was any good, was Willis…and then we’ll all laugh at you again.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Wacky, wacky wacky, we have PROVEN on this blog that you are a loser Dead Beat Dad who neglects his wife and kids! You are a loser! But tell me how Vernon Davis’ one good year puts him in the Hall of Fame? Or how Frank Gore who had 2 good years in five, and is now being replaced, is some great back, or how Mike Crabtree who played in 9 NFL games is the next great thing? What a moron.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Real MaddenMoron: TALK TO ME…SOMEONE/ANYONE…TALK TO MEEEEEEEEE”
lol…you’re such a little attention whore flea
April 11th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Your words not mine.
But TJ is a bigot & a race perpetuator you are right about that.
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Yeh, priest is bringing the black man down by insisting that some people are being tough on Russell because of his race.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Who would have saw this coming? A guy who once handed Chuck Daly a blank check saying he refuses to follow a dress code during the season is now bankrupt. Shocking!!!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Derrick-Coleman-is-almost-5-million-in-debt?urn=nba,233379
April 11th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
MB, I’m not a hypocrite. I just criticize people for doing the same things that I do.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
What’s a race perpetuator? lol.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
You’re not doing too well, Oakdork, lol.
Now you’re repeating the idiot “hall of fame” comment, when I never said that.
Now..to YOU..does that make you feel less of a loser by reposting stupid crap that got torched already?
How does that work, for you?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
# Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Wacky he had one good year and his coaches made a spectacle of him on national TV. But he is a hero in your ignorant stupid eyes huh?
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You’re so lost.
First off, OakDork, try and follow the dots.
When a new coach comes in and reams a player, on national tv, and sets the tone, AND THAT PLAYER COMES BACK, ADMITS HIS MISTAKE, AND COMMITS HIMSELF..and works his ass off..to the point he’s made TEAM CAPTAIN..to where he then is 5th IN THE NFL, AT HIS POSITION, it’s viewed as a GOOD CHOICE.
Oh…DUMBASS???? Vernon Davis was also IN THE PROBOWL last year.
Now..why don’t you again REPEAT YOUR IDIOT COMMENT THAT THE ONLY PLAYER THAT McG signed that was any good, was Willis…and then we’ll all laugh at you again.
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wacky, wacky, wacky, you just love the sound of your own voice don’t you? I don’t need another of your unabomber type of 40,000 word manifesto’s to agree that Vernon Davis had a good year last year. That was his lst. And he was an overall #8 draft choice! He has had ONE GOOD YEAR! Does one good year in four make someone incredibly special? What part of you are a dummass are you not getting?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
# Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
jhill Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
WTF was Jamarcus Russell supposed to do?
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Gosh…maybe showing in shape would have been nice?
Actually spend the offseason studying the playbook so they wouldn’t have to dumb it down for him?
Maybe come in early and stay late..MORE THAN ONCE?
Take responsibility for playing bad, instead of blaming it on the receivers not being “where I threw it”??
Be a nice start…..don’t you think?
^^^^^^^^^
Exactly! It’s a waste of time and money with that Juggs as of now….
April 11th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Oh, STFU, Richochet. You’re on this mission to tell everyone things about Russell they already know, and then exaggerate a little to boot. Tell us again about how they had to dumb down the playbook for Russell? As if the Raiders were using a state of the art offense before Russell arrived….
April 11th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Not terribly shocking that a small percentage of Raider fans could be considered legally insane.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
That picture of Al in post 439 looks eerily similar to the Dark Lord Sidious.
“Oh, I’m afraid that this battle station is quite operational. HEHEHHEH”
April 11th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
LMAO
Pretty mush the Definition!
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
MB, I’m not a hypocrite. I just criticize people for doing the same things that I do.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Sweep, it looks like someone riddled with hate. It looks like someone ruined by hatred. I thought it was interesting that Plunkethead was accusing Al haters of being consumed by hatred. So I thought I’d post a picture of perhaps someone who’s been more consumed by hatred than anyone in popular culture throughout American history.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Oh man, Oakdork…did you just comment that the Niners are out to replace Gore….AGAIN with that stupid shyte??
Don’t you know I’m going to slap you down again?
ok…lol..for fun…here’s my reply from before..DUMBASS..
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RICHOCHET: Yep…another “going to have LOTS of fun” with this one.
First off, shyte for brains, Gore last year was 4th in the NFC in YPG, you stupid fool. Even missing two games was still 5th in the NFC, and 11th in the league in total yards.
Gores total yards was more than the raiders top two rushers COMBINED..
Quit with the idiot comments, fool. Niners aren’t looking for anyone. They’ve made it very clear Gore is their guy, and everyone knows it…except you.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Criticizing people for doing the same things that you do is hypocritical? No…
April 11th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
I am still waiting for you to thank me for trying to draw oak out.
you thankless bassterd
April 11th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Aaron Brooks had made a Pro Bowl, won a playoff game and had way better stats than Campbell when he came to Oakland.
Two years later, he was out of the league and now a (successful) land developer.
This league is weird.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Oakdork? Why you avoiding the question regarding your date?
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Wacky, wacky, wacky, here you are on a Sunday, with a wife and kids, sitting on the internet getting completely flamed! Why aren’t you hanging with them rather than getting your ass handed to you on an internet site? Did they ditch you again?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Besides toying with MR is like shooting fish in a barrel. I piss him off more by ignoring him
April 11th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
lol Plunk
I saw that, thanks
April 11th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Oh man, Oakdork…did you just comment that the Niners are out to replace Gore….AGAIN with that stupid shyte??
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wacky, wacky, wacky, the draft is in 2 weeks. Let’s see if the Whiners go to draft a marquee running back. I say they do.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Considering what we know about Richochet, is it any wonder he spends a lot of time in here, away from his family? They probably insist on it.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
You didnt think I was serious about oak, did you?
We need a sarcasm tag
April 11th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Plunkethead, you don’t piss me off. Wow, man, I thought we were friends.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
You sorry joke…let me repost it again, Oakdork.
First off, shyte for brains, Gore last year was 4th in the NFC in YPG, you stupid fool. Even missing two games was still 5th in the NFC, and 11th in the league in total yards.
Gores total yards was more than the raiders top two rushers COMBINED..
Quit with the idiot comments, fool. Niners aren’t looking for anyone. They’ve made it very clear Gore is their guy, and everyone knows it…except you.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Plunkethead, you don’t piss me off. Wow, man, I thought we were friends.
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awwww…aren’t you just as precious as you can be?
MaddenMoron needs a widdle hug
April 11th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Bringing in a GM does not mean diddely squat.
Most of them are halfass football men and halfass beancounters.
Al will turn things around this season or I will eat a big fat juicy cactus at the game in Phoenix.
Hopefully its near the end of the season and we are in the playoff hunt.
^^^^^^^^^
LOL….Keep dreaming…..
April 11th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
You didnt think I was serious about oak, did you?
We need a sarcasm tag
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Actually, as I wrote earlier, sarcasm is a form of humour. Humour is a sign of intelligence. So, when idiots like mistabrOwn or wacky-shieeit don’t get it, you now know why.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
I don’t want a hug, richochet. You can just quit with that shyt. I just thought me and Plunkethead were cool. To learn he’s been ignoring me all of this time? I’m crushed man.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Oakdork? Why you avoiding the question regarding your date?
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Wacky, wacky, wacky, here you are on a Sunday, with a wife and kids, sitting on the internet getting completely flamed! Why aren’t you hanging with them rather than getting your ass handed to you on an internet site? Did they ditch you again?
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LMFAO..I pretty much haven’t been here all week, but a few stop ins…and now you wonder why I’m here AT ALL?
Told you, foolish lying little beyotch..my kids are 12 and 13..you know…have friends..go out and do things? Sometimes WITHOUT their dad?
You wouldn’t know about that, would you, lol..considering you have no one but bar skanks.
and yeah…relaxing time today…watching the Masters..playing in a poker tournament..and slapping your ass around, at will.
Pretty cool, huh?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Not terribly shocking that a small percentage of Raider fans could be considered legally insane.
^^^^^^^^
Actually since MOST are not buying or renewing season tickets, then it shows do have some sanity left.
Old man Al needs to make decisions on what will cause Raider fans to buy season tickets and come to games and make sound decisions when it comes to player personnel and improving the team.
Too bad he is off in la la megalomaniac land worrying about how to fight BSPN and the media to care about either. LOL
April 11th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
#501 wacky, we’ll find out in 2 weeks. And you’ll look stupid again. As usual.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
MB, I’m not a hypocrite. I just criticize people for doing the same things that I do.
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Try this one.
Alcohol isn’t a crutch, it’s just something I’ve come to rely on to help get me through life.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
# Sweep The Leg. Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
That picture of Al in post 439 looks eerily similar to the Dark Lord Sidious.
“Oh, I’m afraid that this battle station is quite operational. HEHEHHEH”
^^^^^^^^
I have said the same thing! Someone needs to manip and photoshop that pic of the old man into the Emperor! LOL
April 11th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
MR? lol…you’re honestly the biggest dweeb I’ve EVER met, online..anywhere.
You couldn’t be anymore insecure if you took a “I’m pathetic” class.
From your repeated ‘I thought we were friends’ whimper, over and over to numerous posters, to your juvenile following others around, with incessant kiddy questions, to your complete melt down with your “shut up” collapse…
I just refuse to believe you’re an adult. Just don’t see how that’s possible.
If you are? You have issues..big time..and probably should spend less time posting here, alllll weeeek long..morning, noon, and night..begging for attention, and actually go out and talk to someone..help you deal with your disorders.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
DKnight,
I am looking forward to the day that Darth Raider finally throws Al down the shaft that extends into the depths of Raiders HQ.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
LMAO
As Plunk ribs you for posting under Seymour you give him a reach around….HAHAHAHA
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# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
You didnt think I was serious about oak, did you?
We need a sarcasm tag
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Actually, as I wrote earlier, sarcasm is a form of humour. Humour is a sign of intelligence. So, when idiots like mistabrOwn or wacky-shieeit don’t get it, you now know why.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Glad you got it, Sweep the Leg. MB’s in serious mode.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
You wouldn’t know about that, would you, lol..considering you have no one but bar skanks.
and yeah…relaxing time today…watching the Masters..playing in a poker tournament..and slapping your ass around, at will.
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I think you are confusing me with Tiger Woods wacky.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Richochet, your childish insults go nowhere with me. You were caught exaggerating earlier about Russell, buying into Cable’s line about dumbing down the playbook for him, when if you knew anything about the Raiders, you’d know our playbook has always been dumbed down, sans the Gruden/Gannon years. Now you’re just mad because I called you on it. My advice, stop exaggerating when trying to make a point. I suppose you’re trying to bluff people. Well, you’ve been called. So call me all the names you want.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Frankly, I am a little shocked when someone says he does not think the Raiders will go to the playoffs this year.
King Al has been putting a great team together and Cable brings us some stability.
Playoffs next year. SB after that!
Best year ever!!
April 11th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
LMAO
As Plunk ribs you for posting under Seymour you give him a reach around….HAHAHAHA
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# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
You didnt think I was serious about oak, did you?
We need a sarcasm tag
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Actually, as I wrote earlier, sarcasm is a form of humour. Humour is a sign of intelligence. So, when idiots like mistabrOwn or wacky-shieeit don’t get it, you now know why.
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You didn’t get it did you mistabrOwn? We knew you wouldn’t.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Hmmmm…so far, Oakdork, you were completely wrong on Staley, stating Simms beat him out, which NEVER happened.
You were completely wrong on Davis being a bad signing, considering he went to the ProBowl.
You were wrong in stating Gore is on the block.
You were wrong in stating Clayton led the Niners last two years, WHEN HE DIDN’T EVEN TAKE A SNAP..
Oh yeah…and I stated “Crabtree was another good pick by the Niners GM” (NO, DUMBASS, NEVER SAID HALL OF FAME, DUMBASS…NEVER SAID HE’S ALL PRO, DUMBASS, SAID HE WAS A GOOD PICK BY THE GM)
And you? lol
Seymour Bush Says:
March 27th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Craptree: Played half a year?? What A MORON!
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RICHOCHET: McC picked Crabtree, DUMBASS…the same guy YOU GUARANTEED WOULD NEVER SIGN, DUMBASS…the same guy YOU GUARANTEED would go back into the draft next year, DUMBASS..
and the same guy, who, in ONE GAME OUTPERFORMED BEY’S 7 PREVIOUS GAMES…DUMBASS…
Oh..and yeah, in that period he played?
His 48 receptions WERE BETTER THAN ANY WR ON THE RAIDERS, peanut, by far.
Closest was Murphy, with 34 receptions AND HE PLAYED IN ALL 16 GAMES.
Yeah, LMFAO at you replying “Craptree: Played half a year?? What A MORON!”
Yeah…the moron is you, peanut.
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Told you..that day was a CLASSIC meltdown for ya, Gomer
and that I was going to have fun with it.
and I am
April 11th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
wacky, wacky, wacky, can you summarize your posts in like five lines? Not 10,000 words? No one bothers to read them, other than you.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
You wouldn’t know about that, would you, lol..considering you have no one but bar skanks.
and yeah…relaxing time today…watching the Masters..playing in a poker tournament..and slapping your ass around, at will.
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I think you are confusing me with Tiger Woods wacky.
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Hey…YOU stated, in back to back weeks, that you jumped in bed with a “hottie”..if it’s not the same chick, then you’re skanking.
Considering you can’t answer the simple question of “was that the same girl, or a skank” question makes one wonder.
so..was it the same one, or you skanking?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Wacky are trying to say Craptree is some great player after half a season? Is that your point? hahahahahahahahaha
April 11th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
wacky, wacky, wacky, can you summarize your posts in like five lines? Not 10,000 words? No one bothers to read them, other than you.
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Now..isn’t that odd?
You’ve been reading on commenting all along…NOW??? All of a sudden??? YOU WAVE THE WHITE FLAG, LIKE A LITTLE SLAPPED ON BEYOTCH? lol…
of course you are.
IF you could defend your sorryass..you would.
But..the #1 REASON WHY SOMEONE CROSS POSTS, IS BECAUSE THEY CAN’T DEFEND THEIR SORRYASS.
That’s you…in a nutshell, lol…nutjob.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
I missed the answer…same girl…or you lying?
April 11th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Crabtree is who we should have taken last year. Possession receivers FIRST. Crabtree was our next Tim Brown. Al blew it, Seymour. That’s what happens when we don’t have a GM. A GM would have threatened to resign if Al told him he was considering Heyward Bey over Crabtree.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
# Richochet Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
so..was it the same one, or you skanking?
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Wacky you talk a lot about skanks. You never did well with women did you? In addition to be the neighborhood nancy.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
LMAO…Oakdork can’t answer.
Why is that?
Simple question…DID YOU DATE THE SAME GIRL, OR WHERE YOU SKANKING?
What’s so hard? What’s to hide?
April 11th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Now you’re posting in all caps wacky? Jeez, wacky take it easy. Use your indoor voice. It’s sad when you have to be treated like a three year old.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
I’m starting to smell another wacky-sheeit meltdown.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Richochet, your childish insults go nowhere with me. You were caught exaggerating earlier about Russell, buying into Cable’s line about dumbing down the playbook for him, when if you knew anything about the Raiders, you’d know our playbook has always been dumbed down, sans the Gruden/Gannon years. Now you’re just mad because I called you on it. My advice, stop exaggerating when trying to make a point. I suppose you’re trying to bluff people. Well, you’ve been called. So call me all the names you want.
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Yeah, yeah, I know..I know…you want my attention.
You know I’m going to torch your ass regarding the above, but..to you? That’s the idea..attention.
“Bought into what Cable said”??? LMFAO…you dumbass.
Kiffin commented on it, Cable commented on it, it’s ONLY OBVIOUS to all..but hey…that doesn’t matter…because you’re an idiot.
the above mentioned attention whore…that sorryass joke who infects this board daily with your juvenile screams for acceptance.
You’re the board motley fool, and you have been…for years.
and you just accept it…which backs up my previous comment about you needing help with those disorders.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
aww..lol..look at Oakdorks waving of that white flag..
isn’t it fun when you slap someone down, to where they have NOTHING IN REPLY..and are reduced to “oh, look, he’s melting down”..trying to avoid the question.
You don’t really date, do you?
When someone goes out of their way to state ‘I have a hottie” that usually means they have a blow up doll.
When saying it twice, and called on whether it’s the same hottie?
goes into retreat mode..for some reason.
Sensitive issue, pumpkin?
April 11th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Richochet, I don’t care if you pay attention to me or not. You said something about Russell that was complete b.s. And, to give you the benefit of the doubt, it is information that was passed on to the public via the spin of Al’s current Butterbean puppet head coach. But anyone who’s been following this team would know that our playbook has been dumbed down since Gannon cleaned his locker. Just dumb, predictable playcalling ever since. From Norv, to Shell, to Kiffin (even though he tried to change it, unsuccessfully), to Cable/Russell. Al Davis’s schemes on both sides of the ball have always been dumbed down. The Raiders did not dumb down their playbook for Russell. That’s just Cable talking out of his ass. But since you can’t be smart enough to pick and choose your source, and instead are on a mission to smear Russell, you ran with Cable’s take on Russell like a 12 year old girl runs with a rumor she just hear from another 12 year old girl. You got ahead of yourself, and I called you on it. Now you’re playing your stupid games, and I don’t care. I don’t need your attention. I’m just pointing out where you’re wrong.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
waacky I would continue but sooner rather than later you will start throwing a tantrum. Gotta go.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
# Sweep The Leg. Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
DKnight,
I am looking forward to the day that Darth Raider finally throws Al down the shaft that extends into the depths of Raiders HQ.
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Yep…..me too! LOL
A great and very fitting analogy!
April 11th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
April 11th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
waacky I would continue but sooner rather than later you will start throwing a tantrum. Gotta go.
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Thanks for the laughs, peanut.
couldn’t have done it without you…
lol….yep…that was fun.
I have a feeling it’s going to happen again…for some….strange…reason.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
RM? That’s it? BOTH head coaches state russell doesn’t know the playbook, yet you stupidly state “I’m not smart enough to pick and choose my source”???
WTF?
Are you stupid?
Seriously…see…the way it works is MOST state “you’re stupid to believe that anonymous source, or that reporter who got if from his anonymous source..and that one SHOULD wait until they actually hear it from…you know….THE HEAD COACH…but you?
You do it reverse?
You discount what the head coaches say…and then rely on…what source…exactly??
Lol..this should be fun.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Richochet, you said that they dumbed down the playbook for Russell. Dumbed down from what? The state of the art offense the Raiders were using before Russell got here? Do you believe everything the Raiders say?
April 11th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
In other words, YOU TELL ME to choose my source..I tell you the source IS THE HEAD COACH, and when questioned on what source you’re referring to you reply “Do you believe everything the SOURCE tells you’??
Ignorant reply…beyond ignorant.
What?
Now I have to dumbdown to your level?
What are you, 12?
Like I said, attention whore, you’re a waste…in every sense of the word.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
LOL. If you want to really call Tom Cable a head coach. How long have you been watching the Raiders, genius? The only real head coach the Raiders have had since Gruden is Kiffin. I’m not going to let you do this, take the argument to an arena where you can win. You said that the Raiders dumbed down the playbook for Russell. I don’t care who in the organization said that, it’s b.s. My proof, and this is very simple: The Raiders offensive playcalling BEFORE Russell arrived, which is every bit as dumbed down and vanilla as it is now with Russell.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Just for that, I busted out my Cable jersey early this year. I put it away after the fourth game last year but he will turn it around this year.
April 11th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Phil is trying on his third green jacket.
The good guys win every once in awhile.
April 11th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
That’s why you’re a Raider fan? You pull for the good guys?
April 11th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
If Phil Mickelson were an NFL football team, what NFL team would he be? Not necessarily where performance is concerned, but more as where character is concerned, regard for the rules, etc. I’m thinking the Raiders are somewhere near the bottom of the list.
April 11th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
I have a picture in my mind that will not go away.
Its little baby birds in the nest with their big mouths open making as much noise as they can just waiting for someone to drop something in their mouths.
Feed me!! feed me!!
April 11th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
That’s a better vision that some of the other things you’ve talked about, like your son’s grooming habits.
April 12th, 2010 at 7:59 am
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