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Ice Cube: Raiders will always belong to L.A.

Don’t forget to check out ESPN at 5 p.m. PDT today for the showing of “Straight Outta L.A.,” Ice Cube’s documentary about the Raiders in Los Angeles.
Our Chuck Barney has seen the piece and here’s what he thinks.
Chuck points out that Ice Cube has this to say about Oakland’s NFL team: “The silver and black might call another place home, but the Raiders will always belong to L.A.”
What do you guys think?

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  • 24

    You have to wonder how Jamarcus would do with Ochocinco and Antonio Bryant as his WR’s along with Cedric Benson as his RB if he had to come in for Palmer.

  • Nnamdi21

    201. Nice 24. Thanks.

    I tend to believe Schefter this time (Even a garbage can gets a steak now and again) the Benglas have become a harbour for the Leagues criminal element and I’d think likely a possible landing spot for Jamarcass but not sure if its a done deal especially since OCho tweeted basically the same thing about T.O.

  • Coach on Wheels

    Ocho’s 31 goal is no get attention. First TO now JR.

  • 24

    Speaking of T.O. Could we just sign him already? We desperately need someone reliable at the WR position. Its possible that Campbell could make these guys look better than our other QB’s have but still. Is anybody comfortable? The team has tried to fill this need through the draft and I applaud them for that but theres not enough experience and production here.

    DHB – 1st Round
    Murphy – 4th Round
    Schilens – 7th Round
    JLH – 3rd Round
    Ford – 4th Round
    Nick Miller

    Bodiford
    Figurs
    Holland – 7th Round
    Hubbard
    Watkins

  • 24

    Not that JR is worth anything but J.T. O’Sullivan is the backup QB in Cincy. I’d rather sign JR to the minimum and let him sit behind Palmer and possibly learn something that have Sullivan. You’d hope that JR could do more with his ability and the talent on the Bengals in that scenario. At least Bryant and Ocho can chase down balls unlike any Raiders WR’s with the exception of Schilens and Zach Miller.

  • 24

    If we signed T.O., we should keep these guys in order of starting.

    1 – T.O.
    2 – Schilens
    3 – Murphy
    4 – DHB
    5 – JLH
    6 – Ford (Ford could very well replace JLH as the 5th WR if we go with 5 and he would also take over kick/punt return duties. Nick Miller could possibly stay but he becomes expendable if Ford has any success. JLH is not a terrible receiver but terribly hot and cold.)

    Without T.O.

    1 – Schilens
    2 – Murphy
    3 – DHB
    4 – JLH
    5 – Ford
    6 – Nick Miller

    If Schilens gets injured again which is almost a guarentee, we’re screwed once again.

  • Nnamdi21

    Ocho and Russell? I don’t know…
    http://raidernationstation.com/around_the_league

  • Nnamdi21

    oach on Wheels Says:
    May 11th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
    Ocho’s 31 goal is no get attention. First TO now JR.

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    Yup.

  • Raiderjambo

    Long live the Raider Nation! Never forget when I ran into a farmer in the remote Highlands of Scotland wearing…..you guessed it, a Raider Hat, which had been passed on to him by a member of the Raider Nation!

  • edward teach

    Post #199

    Coach on Wheels knows the score. Had Oakland somehow managed to get Al the stadium he wanted LA would have never happened, and there’s a good chance things would be very different now.

    There was nothing good about the move to LA, and it hasn’t been the same since they returned.

    Big mistake.

  • 24

    The Raiders lost A LOT of fans because of the move to L.A.

  • inonewordraider

    Coach on Wheels Says:
    May 11th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    I’ve been a Raiders fan since I was a kid watching Snake, Tatum, Hayes and Hendericks. One thing I keep reading from younger fans that the move to LA “grew the fan base” is flat-out wrong.

    In the 70’s and early 80’s the Oakland Raiders were the winningest franchise and the #1 merchandise seller. Home games were sellouts in the frenzied Coliseum where to team had a HUGE home field advantage.

    Al got greedy and arrogant. He wanted to be Jerry Jones before there was Jerry Jones and build a 100k seat stadium. Problem was he couldn’t so he moved to LA into a 90k+ stadium. It blew up in his face. LA fans were fickle and they couldn’t even draw the 60k they did in Oakland.

    In 95 Al came back with a couple thousand loyal LA fans but he had lost over half his Oakland fans. Now they are one of the lowest attended teams in the NFL.

    Raider Nation? Those of us old enough to remember the early 80’s remember when almost every blue collar guy in the Bay Area was a fan. The Raider Nation of today is a shell of its old self. You have the LA experiment to thank for that.

    When I drive back from Oakland there’s hoards of faithful Raider fans taking the trek back to LA or Fresno or other stops along the way. We spend our hard earned dollars to make it up to Oakland even during hard times to have grumpy individuals like yourself bash us faithful followers. I recall big crowds in LA even though we weren’t perrenial playoff contenders. And now your blaming the fact that Al moved the Raiders to LA for the lack of big crowds in Oakland? Then don’t attend anymore either. The Raiders aren’t Oaklands team it’s Al’s team and he’ll move the Raiders wherever the hell he pleases and I’ll still follow them and you can cry about it

  • the_big_one_of_83

    If we signed T.O., we should keep these guys in order of starting.

    1 – T.O.
    2 – Schilens
    3 – Murphy
    4 – DHB
    5 – JLH
    6 – Ford (Ford could very well replace JLH as the 5th WR if we go with 5 and he would also take over kick/punt return duties. Nick Miller could possibly stay but he becomes expendable if Ford has any success. JLH is not a terrible receiver but terribly hot and cold.)

    Without T.O.

    1 – Schilens
    2 – Murphy
    3 – DHB
    4 – JLH
    5 – Ford
    6 – Nick Miller

    If Schilens gets injured again which is almost a guarentee, we’re screwed once again.

    if T.O comes schilens or JLH has to go and T.O dosnt have to be a num ! reciver but has to play alot

  • inonewordraider

    I guess the Oakland fans aren’t as faithful as LA fans because when the Raiders left Oakland alot of fans jumped ship yet when the Raiders left LA back to Oakland the LA fans remained faithful

  • the_big_one_of_83

    he’s a rebel /raider so sign T.O up

  • Coach on Wheels

    Inoneword – the word is WRONG

    It’s not about being grumpy. It is reality.

    Reality – The LA fans aren’t enough to offset the losses or there’d be sellouts. Period. Fact.

    Pre LA = Sellouts 60k every game

    Post LA = Blackouts 30-50k every game

    It isn’t about your loyalty. The FACT is there aren’t enough of you to offset the lost fans.

  • the_big_one_of_83

    I guess the Oakland fans aren’t as faithful as LA fans because when the Raiders left Oakland alot of fans jumped ship yet when the Raiders left LA back to Oakland the LA fans remained faithful

    no the oakland fans were mad that we had to watch so much 49er football due to the move

  • 24

    The big one of 83 – Why would Schilens have to go? He is our best WR. His problem is that hes injury prone but without him, we’re even more worse off. JLH can easily be replaced by Jacoby Ford or Nick Miller if he can stay healthy. If you want a good WR core, you’d have to have Schilens AND T.O. on the field at the same time because T.O. and any other receiver would put majority attention on T.O. and we need to spread the ball. Murphy is the wild card because he could very well have a breakout year. DHB is a mystery at this point.

  • inonewordraider

    if the team wins the crowds will be fine so your analysis is wrong. This year marked the lowest attendance and it’s not because of the lost Oakland fans, sorry

  • Coach on Wheels

    LA fans remained faithful?

    Dude, I rode the Amtrak and bus smog central and LA even with Oakland fans commuting couldn’t outdraw Oakland. BTW what’s LAs population versus Oakland?

    I’m glad you’re a loyal fan but there aren’t enough of you to offset the damage.

  • 24

    I don’t want T.O. because of the rebel persona. We don’t need that, we just need talent. What you’d hope for is that T.O. has been somewhat humbled by the fact that nobody has signed him and if the Raiders signed him, he might be more greatful than normal. His attitude wasn’t that bad last year. People say that his ability is diminishing and while that may be true, the Bills were terrible.

    T.O. had 1,000 yards in 2008 with Dallas. He still put up 829 yards last year on an inept offense.

    Last year stats…

    YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
    2009 BUF 16 55 829 15.1 98 5 33 1 0

    This is better than anything we currently have.

  • Coach on Wheels

    if the team wins the crowds will be fine so your analysis is wrong. This year marked the lowest attendance and it’s not because of the lost Oakland fans, sorry

    LOL

    Playoffs teams in LA couldn’t draw and blackouts were a reality during the winning Gruden years.

  • 24

    Al Davis reminds me of the Godfather in this Ice Cube show.

  • inonewordraider

    it’s all based on performance, if the team wins like it did in Oakland the first go round the crowds will be there. The move to LA made Als fan base grow overall, not the other way around

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Ice Cube represented Al Davis well

  • the_big_one_of_83

    oakland

  • Seymour Bush

    # Coach on Wheels Says:
    May 11th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    I’ve been a Raiders fan since I was a kid watching Snake, Tatum, Hayes and Hendericks. One thing I keep reading from younger fans that the move to LA “grew the fan base” is flat-out wrong.

    In the 70’s and early 80’s the Oakland Raiders were the winningest franchise and the #1 merchandise seller. Home games were sellouts in the frenzied Coliseum where to team had a HUGE home field advantage.

    Al got greedy and arrogant. He wanted to be Jerry Jones before there was Jerry Jones and build a 100k seat stadium. Problem was he couldn’t so he moved to LA into a 90k+ stadium. It blew up in his face. LA fans were fickle and they couldn’t even draw the 60k they did in Oakland.

    In 95 Al came back with a couple thousand loyal LA fans but he had lost over half his Oakland fans. Now they are one of the lowest attended teams in the NFL.

    Raider Nation? Those of us old enough to remember the early 80’s remember when almost every blue collar guy in the Bay Area was a fan. The Raider Nation of today is a shell of its old self. You have the LA experiment to thank for that.
    =================================================

    Aww come on COW. The Raider Nation still exists. It’s just that instead of the most knowledgeable die hard dedicated loyalists who know not only football AND what it takes to win but also what it means to be a “Raider” you now have a bunch of makeup wearing, gown toting pusses, or even worse, the gang slanging loser fukups who have NO IDEA what it takes to be successful (unless it means pointing a gun at unsuspecting women and children and pulling the trigger.)

  • Nnamdi21

    Not sure if we go after T.O. I kinda doubt it. We’ve purged alot of A holes from the team in recent years.

    I wonder if Davis sees no need for T.O. cuz we got DHB?

  • http://tada Florida Pete

    Coach on Wheels Says:
    May 11th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    LA fans remained faithful?

    Dude, I rode the Amtrak and bus smog central and LA even with Oakland fans commuting couldn’t outdraw Oakland. BTW what’s LAs population versus Oakland?

    I’m glad you’re a loyal fan but there aren’t enough of you to offset the damage.

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    the problem was the Raiders played at the coloseum…

    the Coloseum sucks…

    not the people in LA…

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Nnamdi,

    I just hope they take a realistic look at DHB. I think he has a role…the #1 receiver….I don’t think so

  • 310 Raider-scum

    Most of the fans that jumped ship in Oakland in 1982 were propably blue collar family men late 30′s-early 40′s. Who figured they could spend their time and money elsewhere.It was a bad financial time in Oakland and the rest of the nation(inflation,gas shortage).Chevy did not even bother to make the Corvette for a couple years

  • the_big_one_of_83

    YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
    2009 BUF 16 55 829 15.1 98 5 33 1 0

    talent not their but he scored his career long TD 98YDS but he lost a step right

  • Nnamdi21

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    May 11th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
    Nnamdi,

    I just hope they take a realistic look at DHB. I think he has a role…the #1 receiver….I don’t think so

    ======================

    If his production su-cks and he’s MR. Frying pan hands again I hope they drop him down the depth chart earlier this year.

    I hope we HAVE someone to step up in his place if he does su-ck again.

  • Nnamdi21

    Florida Pete Says:
    May 11th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    Coach on Wheels Says:
    May 11th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
    LA fans remained faithful?

    Dude, I rode the Amtrak and bus smog central and LA even with Oakland fans commuting couldn’t outdraw Oakland. BTW what’s LAs population versus Oakland?

    I’m glad you’re a loyal fan but there aren’t enough of you to offset the damage.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    the problem was the Raiders played at the coloseum…

    the Coloseum sucks…

    not the people in LA…

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    The people suck too.

  • Random Drug Tester

    All you LA (Brooklyn) Dodgers and SF (NY) Giants fans are no better than LA Raider fans.

    Print it.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Nnamdi21,

    DHB’s hands has to get better. This team has to start winning and I hope they don’t retard the progress of the team waiting for DHB.

    Again, he’s a good kid etc….but 9 catches in 11 starts raises big, huge red flags with me.

    Let the best man win in camp. No scholarships.

    If DHB comes through with a strong camp etc….then put him out there…but if he isn’t….don’t waste time. 7 years is too long and we don’t have any more time for long-term projects.

  • 24

    This Ice Cube thing is a little ridiculous. Basically, the Raiders were the favorite team of a bunch of gangsters and drugs were big back then and they were trying to portray themselves as Raiders. Then we’re learning more about the history of Rap and how NWA started. Who cares? This is more about the evolution of rap and the environment that came along with it. The Raiders don’t really need to be included in this. The only connection was that these particular gangsters in that area wore Raider jackets and such. Who cares?

  • Seymour Bush

    There are football towns, and there are baseball towns. Pittsburgh is a football town. Los Angeles is a baseball town. Boston is a baseball town. Oakland is a football town.

  • Seymour Bush

    You can’t say that LA fans are not front runner fans. In fact they are the very definition of front runner fans. See Rams, Los Angeles (1946-1994)

  • 310 Raider-scum

    I am from the Bay Area and have lived in LA the last 5yrs. I do find myself going back to visit less often, but people that live anywhere just suk..especially to some on this blog.

  • 24

    Its more than just catching passes. DHB needs to run crisp routes and separate on normal routes in order to get away from his defender. So he can run straight really fast…thats not going to help him. He needs to be a complete player and once he can separate on regular routes, then he has to catch the ball. Is he at that point yet? Schilens runs proper routes. Murphy gets separation but he needs to also have better hands. JLH lacks concentration. Ford will be a rookie.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    24,

    How can you say JLH lacks concentration and not say the same thing about DHB.

    I think JLH is a better receiver than DHB right now.

    I am really down on DHB based on what I saw last year. He was useless.

    Catching the ball is his 1st, 2nd and 3rd responsiblity. Call a spade a spade…this kid has a lot of work to do to get to normal

  • the_big_one_of_83

    DHB can be coached up buy a guy like T.O he works hard and has a swagger this offense needs

  • 24

    Its funny that all these Rappers in the L.A. area were wearing Raider gear but we were winning Superbowl’s back then so just about everyone was wearing Raider gear as bandwagon fans do. Had the Raiders suck’d, would these rappers have been sporting the gear? It just seems like they’re trying to take credit for making the Raiders great by sporting the gear vs. the Raiders getting the credit simply for being a great team.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Yikes….Jay Schroeder highlights

  • Nnamdi21

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    May 11th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
    Yikes….Jay Schroeder highlights

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    WHAT?!

    Shroeder has highlights?!

  • 24

    SnB – I agree with you. JLH is a better receiver than DHB right now. I don’t think DHB lacks in concentration, I think he lacks in ball catching talent. JLH has proven that hes a fumbler and a bumbler. The things he has done trying to return punts and kickoffs and as a WR is why I say he lacks concentration. I too am very down on DHB and if I was very confident in him, I wouldn’t be lobbying for T.O.

  • Nnamdi21

    Though LenDale White is now a Seahawk and Chris Johnson is absent from minis the Titans were still 2nd overall in rushing and had a 2,000yd + HB.

    Kevin Mawae may end up back in Tennessee and at this early stage Oakland looks like it could be facing a huge challenge to its run poor defense right out of the gate in 2010.

    No one wants someone so closely connected with the NFLPA it seems (Mawae has said as much himself) but signing him away from Tennessee would be a positive for opening week end.

  • the_big_one_of_83

    what happened to the raiders VS the NFL money

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    24,

    Catching the ball is EVERYTHING! Drops are ok…as long as you are making an equal amount of big plays.

    Last year from DHB was all drops…that K.C game was atrocious.

    Again, at least he’s not a prima donna and he works hard. So let’s hope the camp is legit and the best player wins…regardless of draft status