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Raiders not on same page, after all

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, June 9th, 2010 at 3:41 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Following the first day of practice the Raiders’ mandatory minicamp following the draft, I asked rookie third-round pick Jared Veldheer about the intensity of the “no contact” practices.

He laughed out loud.

“Well, it’s a lot of contact right now,” said Veldheer, who went on to talk about technique, pad level and how you don’t quite finish a block even if you fire out to start one.

He said, “Besides that, the run stuff is pretty full go.”

The following is the official offseason guidelines for the 14 workouts classified as OTAs:

– No pads except protective knee or elbow pads. Helmets are permitted.

– No live contact; no live contact drills between offensive and defensive linemen.

– A maximum six hours per day, with a maximum two hours on field for any player.

– 7-on-7, 9-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills will be permitted, providing no live contact takes place.

For the second time since 2007, the Raiders have apparently either exceeded the amount of contact deemed acceptable for the offseason or practiced too long. The joint statement by the NFL and NFLPA did not specify Oakland’s violation and the Raiders have had no comment. Oakland head coach Tom Cable was the offensive line coach the last time the Raiders lost OTA time.

Oakland joins the Baltimore Ravens as the second team to lose OTA sessions. Violations typically are reported through the union, with the NFL then requesting practice film with the offending team obliged to produce it.

So as happy as Cable has been with the offseason turnout and as much as he believes everyone on the same page, a player or three had to deviate from the script to get the ball rolling for punishment to be meted out.

The Raiders have been pushing the two-hour limit in most of their offseason practices open to the media but cut Wednesday’s short by comparison, starting at 9:30 a.m. and finishing a little after 11 a.m.

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  • Just Fire Baby

    I am pretty sure BO will not kick anyone’s ass.

    Just another quote for a bumper sticker.

  • kvnbntly

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    # kvnbntly Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    naw just not a profecient typer or speller, thats what happens in idaho when ya get too old to run up and down mountiamns, you get a job dumping trucks in a grain elevator
    ________________________________________________________

    Fair enough, I’ll let it go then =) sorry =)

    not a problem at all, see what i mean about the spelling, i should rephrased that and said you move across the river to washinton and get a job dumpin trucks
    just a long distance fan

  • Just Fire Baby

    No such thing as a “long-distance” fan.

    It’s all Raider Nation.

  • MistaBrown

    0bama cant even kick his own ass, only a mental retard would believe he is going to “kick” anybody’s a$$, ever!
    _____

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    I am pretty sure BO will not kick anyone’s ass

  • kvnbntly

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    No such thing as a “long-distance” fan.

    It’s all Raider Nation.

    thanks for the welcome, hopefully before they move from the coliseum i’ll make it to a game

  • Just Fire Baby

    Dammit, nothing worse than playing in a 1,200 person poker tournament, hanging in there for 5 hours, than get blasted on the river, get 67th place and win exactly $18.

    Frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    The Raider Nation has a capital where the elites reside, and then there’s the hinterlands.

  • MistaBrown

    KKKell, every time I mention the DOW you take off running!

    :D

  • Just Fire Baby

    Not sure if you read Mista, but if so, you might get a kick out of this:

    http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1920910,00.html

  • JB

    Contact is good. Aggression is better, violence directed at your opponent is best.

    That’s what we need, more opponent brutality. It’s time that we start dominating the lines of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Dominating lines win games. Defense wins championships, Dominating offenses win Super Bowls. We appear to finally going in the right direction. It’s about damn time.

  • kvnbntly

    time to clock out thanks

  • http://Noknuckleheads! 909RaiderLifer

    Just Fire Baby…

    If you get the chance, take a couple of days and visit Ruidosa. Beautiful area, some nice golf ,the horses should be runnin. Look for a bar called The Winners Circle in downtown, the place has “character”…

  • fat kidd

    A.B. Paine II Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    Fat Kidd Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
    A.B. Paine II Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    Kvnbntly, are you really from Idaho?

    none of your business stalker.
    ———————
    Shut up fat boy! I’m also from Idaho.

    ……………………….nuthin in idaho but queers and steers

  • Just Fire Baby

    I dig “character”.

    Thanks for the headsup. I think my father-in-law goes hunting somewhere around there.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I’m sure he was there in spirit Mista.

  • MistaBrown

    KKKell doesn’t want to talk about the DOW now that it doesn’t fit in his moronic defense of Baracks failed economy…

    :D

  • Just Fire Baby

    Update on the Darren McFadden-Michael Bush situation to come later . . .

    *********************************

    Great job seeding, but you can’t wait 6 hours to give us the goods Jerry!!!

  • http://Noknuckleheads! 909RaiderLifer

    Just Fire Baby…

    It’s a “old school” bar/night club. Tuck and roll upholstered booths, free popcorn, live music 364 nights a year. Closed on x-mas….oh, and they serve ice COLD beer…

  • The Big Banana

    Schilens, who employed the polite strategy of “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all” when asked about JaMarcus Russell for most of the past two years, had no problem identifying what he liked about new quarterback Jason Campbell.

    “He’s smart, intelligent, throws a good ball,” Schilens said. “He works hard at learning the offense. I’m happy.”

    _______________________________________________________

    Be careful Jerry….You might get accused of incorrectly reading between the lines.

  • The Big Banana

    Who the heck is the tattler? Tape him to the dam goalpost upside down!

  • jhill

    You might get accused of incorrectly reading between the lines.

    ——————————————————-

    I guess I should go ahead and respond to this so you can stop posting it?

  • The Big Banana

    Nah, don’t respond. Too much fun.

  • jhill

    JFB,

    What did you shoot today?

  • jhill

    Too much fun.

    —————————————————–

    What’s too much fun?

    How about actually waiting until a read between the lines scenario comes up, lol!

    And the comment was about YOU semi pro bloggers reading between Jerry’s lines not Jerry reading between the lines.

  • Random Drug Tester

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    In a related story, Al Davis called Tom Cable’s involvement “limited”.
    ——————————-
    Now that’s funny!

  • Just Fire Baby

    jhill Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
    JFB,

    What did you shoot today?

    ****************************

    Well……I had three pars and three snowmen out of 9 holes, so it was an up and down day. Short game is still very solid, long irons are still very awful.

    Playing this place right next to the house, Notah Bogay’s home course, Ladera. They have pro-am tours out there supposedly.

  • Just Fire Baby

    This Sunday we can watch both Campbell’s and Gradkowski’s best games from last year on NFLN.

    Jhill, this is required viewing for film review!!!

  • jhill

    three snowmen out of 9 holes

    ——————————————————

    Ouch

  • the_big_one_of_83

    well i hope were not keeping cartwright or bennett but we do need that third RB

  • jhill

    Jhill, this is required viewing for film review!!!

    ——————————————————

    LOL!

    I don’t need to watch Gradkowski’s game. His best play was the bootleg, and his lucky 4th qtr duck and int drop will only make me hate the guy even more.

    Mini Garcia is TERRIBLE!

  • fat kidd

    jhill Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    three snowmen out of 9 holes

    ——————————————————

    Ouch

    …………………golf a manly sport,did you ladies knit something after golf

  • the_big_one_of_83

    bruce isnt that bad jhill it could be worst like that painter guy from indy

  • RaidingTexas

    So who was the rat?

  • Just Fire Baby

    I don’t need to watch Gradkowski’s game

    *************************

    Well you can close your eyes as we are scoring touchdowns, but there is another 21 starters to review as well.

  • edward teach

    Blabbing Veldheer’s comments about the level of contact at OTAs is a perfect example of why the Raiders don’t give the media the access they desperately want, and cry about when they don’t get.

    Back in the day, reporters knew when to STFU. Today, not so much.

  • the_big_one_of_83

    he sits behind the best QB in the league so whats his excusse

  • fat kidd

    RaidingTexas Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    So who was the rat?

    …………..probably mistabrown

  • the_big_one_of_83

    RaidingTexas Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    So who was the rat?

    i think the rookies were running their mouth to much and talked to the teams player rep about the work outs

  • jhill

    Painter is terrible too. Gradkowski would have looked just as bad against the Jets.

  • jhill

    As a matter of fact, he did look pretty bad against the Jets, lol!

  • jhill

    golf a manly sport,did you ladies knit something after golf

    ——————————————————-

    Translation – Can’t get out of the tee box

  • Just Fire Baby

    Jason Campbell has a career record of 19-32 with the Skins.

    The Skins record when Campbell didn’t play over the 5 years?

    17-12, 2 playoff appearances.

  • jhill

    And Bruce Gradkowski’s career #’s are ????

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    # BornInOakland Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Can you imagine Jack Tatum, Ted Hendricks, Mark Van Eeghen whining about too many practices?

    ………………..

    Those guys would never play on the type of team Al DAvis runs now.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    If Al Davis or any other owners in the league had any problem with these OTA regulations they should have brought them up at the last contract negotiation.

  • the_big_one_of_83

    he was better than painter look at our o-line vs indy

  • Just Fire Baby

    5-10, but his teams were no better without him.

    That’s the key point.

  • the_big_one_of_83

    thats indy’s o-line

  • jhill

    No, the key point is who’s the best QB talent on this team right now. I think if you want to look at career accomplishments, you know your Marshawn Lynch tactic, Gradkowski is running #4.

  • the_big_one_of_83

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    June 9th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
    Jason Campbell has a career record of 19-32 with the Skins.

    The Skins record when Campbell didn’t play over the 5 years?

    17-12, 2 playoff appearances.

    campbell will be better here like the mens warehouse guy i garuntee it