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Raiders could get stationary target

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, June 15th, 2010 at 9:00 am in Oakland Raiders.

Ordnarily, a first-time offender in the eyes of the NFL gets the benefit of the doubt.

However, it’s conceivable Tennessee quarterback Vince Young could ride Ben Roethlisberger’s coat tails and be slapped with a one-game suspension _ meaning he’d miss the season opener against the Raiders.

Young was 8-2 as a starter after replacing Kerry Collins for the Titans last season, reviving a career that appeared dead in the water because of personal issues and poor play. An alleged assault caught on film at a strip club at 3:30 a.m. may be enough for Commissioner Roger Goodell to follow up the six-game Roethlisberger hammer and put Young out of action.

Collins is a more dangerous medium range and deep thrower than Young but much easier to prepare for considering the Raiders will have an entirely new corps of linebackers. They can play run or pass, and not be concerned with a quarterback which can get them out of position with his feet.

Add to that the status of running back Chris Johnson, the 2,000-yard running back who could sit out much of training camp in a contract dispute, and the Raiders timing appears good.

Chat scheduled for 1 p.m. today . . .

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221 Responses to “Raiders could get stationary target”

  1. RaiderRockstar Says:

    1st!

  2. RaiderRockstar Says:

    LMN: U2 sucks!

  3. La Milicia Negra Says:

    # aig Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 8:00 am

    LMN,

    dude, i always mix you up between Copenhagen and Amsterdam. Maybe I am obsessed with the red light district. Anyways, is Winston Reid really a Dane?
    _________________________________________________________

    Winston Reid (21yo) was born in New Zealand, but at age of 9 he came to Denmark, all his schooling (football as well as books) have been provided by us Danes, he has Danish citizen-ship, he played on the Danish National U-teams..

    but in March 2010 he decided to play for New Zealands National team, because the road to the Danish team was too long, so he became an instant starter, where as he would have to wait 2-3 years to be a starter on the Danish team..

    He of course say its because his ties to New Zealand is stronger than his Danish ties, but he has been here for more than 12 years, and we all know ones teens are way more important than the baby years..

    so he is totally blacklisted IMO, but he is good, had he just have had the patience, he could have gotten a deal like Daniel Agger or Simon Kjær..

  4. JB Says:

    I see 10-6 or 11-5 this year & AFC – West title. We’re back and we should be competitive this year.

  5. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Yeah!!!!! David Cameron just announced that Bloody Sunday was unjust…

    o/~ This song is NOT a rebel song, this song is called Sunday, Bloody Sunday… o/~

  6. RaiderRockstar Says:

    start preparing for the 37 year old drunk!

    not you Jerry …

    :)

  7. RaiderRockstar Says:

    During the 2005 season, Collins pledged $1,000 for every touchdown he threw and every game the Raiders won to the American Red Cross Hurricane Katrina relief fund.

    ***

    $24,000

    4 wins & 20 TD’s (like Jason Campbell)

    you’re welcome Fire Baby. haha

  8. RaiderRockstar Says:

    Collins last year:

    1225 yards, 6 TD’s, 8 INT’s, 65.5 QB Rating, 55.1 completion percentage

    sacked 6 times. 3 fumbles (2 lost)

  9. RaiderRockstar Says:

    Young last year:

    1879 yards, 10 TD’s, 7 INT’s, 82.8 QB Rating, 58.7 completion percentage

    sacked 9 times. 8 fumbles (2 lost)

    who cares if he plays ???

    we’ve also got Sam Bradford & Matt Leinart in Weeks 2 and 3 :)

    Week 4 is Matt Schaub. thats the guy we have to gameplan for!

  10. jhill Says:

    I agree RRS …

    I’m actually hoping VY DOES play. The dude is terrible and has no accuracy.

  11. Dakota Says:

    LAKERS BETTER WIN!!!!!!!!

    FOOOOOOK!

    Bynum’s bum knees might cost them a second title in three years…trade him for Bosh!

  12. RaiderRockstar Says:

    I’m actually hoping VY DOES play. The dude is terrible and has no accuracy.

    ***

    either way, no matter who starts at QB there is only one way they can beat us.

    Chris Johnson!

    Titans QB’s average about 1 passing TD per game and have a completion percentage under 60 and we have one of the best secondaries in the league

    stop the run = beat the Titans.

    John Henderson + ROMAC = run stuffed

  13. RaiderRockstar Says:

    Bynum’s bum knees might cost them a second title in three years…trade him for Bosh!

    ***

    Lakers get:

    Chris Bosh
    Andrea Bargnani
    Rasho Nesterovic
    Hedo Turkoglu

    Raptors get:

    Kobe Bryant
    Andrew Bynum

  14. RaiderRockstar Says:

    do it Buss!

    do it Kupchak!

  15. Captain Mudslide & the Dingle Berry Posse Says:

    blasphemy!

  16. RaiderRockstar Says:

    For all their remarkable success over the past three seasons, including the 2008 title and another finals run this year, the Celtics have converted just one of their eight chances to finish a playoff series away from home.

    They’ve got two opportunities at Staples Center, which could be the fifth building in which the Celtics have won a title at the expense of their longtime rivals – or the site of a remarkable Hollywood ending for the Lakers. If Los Angeles survives Tuesday, a champion will be crowned Thursday in Game 7.

    “They’re playing at home. Home is always where your heart is,” Garnett said. “With the severity of the game, it’s all-out on both ends for both teams. This will probably be the hardest game of the season, if not of the series, if not of everybody’s career, this game coming up.”

    Even after winning three of the series’ last four games, and even after compiling the NBA’s second-best road record in the regular season (26-15), the Celtics can’t be lulled into thinking they’ve got the Lakers on the run.

    Although Boston narrowly won Game 2 at Staples Center on the strength of Ray Allen’s historic 3-point shooting binge and Rajon Rondo’s late-game poise, Boston knows the Lakers are 9-1 at home in the postseason, with everybody from Kobe Bryant to the Lakers’ bedraggled bench playing with much more passion and confidence.

    “The Lakers … got homecourt advantage, but we’ve played the best all year on the road,” Boston coach Doc Rivers said. “We’re going to have to beat them at their best, because they’re going to be great there, and we can’t expect anything else.”

    While the Celtics have ample reason to be confident, Lakers coach Phil Jackson and Bryant also didn’t seem particularly worried before the grand finale. For all their struggles in the past four games, the Lakers realize they’ve usually risen to important occasions over the past three seasons – notwithstanding that 2008 finals blowout loss in Boston’s clincher.

    “If you look at it, they’ve come home and carried the 3-2 lead back,” Jackson said. “It’s basically home court, home court. Now we’re going back to home court to win it. That’s the way it’s supposed to be, isn’t it?”

    Sure, on paper. In real life, two straight losses in Boston led to a dire series deficit for the Lakers, who hadn’t even trailed in any playoff series this season. Yet Jackson even described the Lakers’ locker room as “spirited” after losing Game 5 in their lowest-scoring performance of the postseason in the 92-86 loss.

    CBS Sports

  17. RaiderRockstar Says:

    Lakers roster next year:

    Ron Artest
    Andrea Bargnani
    Chris Bosh
    Shannon Brown
    Jordan Farmar
    Derek Fisher
    Pau Gasol
    Adam Morrison
    Rasho Nesterovic
    Lamar Odom
    Hedo Turkoglu
    Sasha Vujacic
    Luke Walton

    PLAYOFFS!?!?

  18. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 6:58 am

    Fire Baby: I think it’s WWWAAAYYY premature to call Jason Campbell a loser.

    We haven’t seen him under Cable/Jackson/Hackett.

    ……………..

    LOL.

  19. Captain Mudslide & the Dingle Berry Posse Says:

    Still amazes me how Luke Walton is able to sneak on the court from time to time during this series.

  20. RaiderRockstar Says:

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has more than quadrupled the rent on her San Francisco district office, making the $18,736-a-month cost of her new South of Market space the highest in the House, according to a new report.

    -SF Gate

    ***

    where’s BSJ? helping her move in?

  21. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    As much as I’d hate to see it, I think the Lakers win it. They only have to win by a fraction of a point tonight to get it to game 7, and that’s not hard for them to do at home. And I’m telling you right now, Boston fans might as well not even watch game 7.

  22. RaiderRockstar Says:

    every time I fart on this blog, MR is right there to sniff it

    atta boy!

    how long before you start hammering Al Davis? 10 minutes?

  23. RaiderRockstar Says:

    Boston fans might as well not even watch game 7.

    ***

    they won’t have to. there won’t be one

  24. Captain Mudslide & the Dingle Berry Posse Says:

    I think the Lakers win by 18 tonight.

  25. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    # ShanghaiSmith Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    I think that the mentality of a hitter is much more important than 20 pounds of meat. Tatum layed his wood harder than Polamalu. I forsee some serious wood laying this season, with branch and mitchell hovering behind rolondo, ready to pound the opposition. Hopefully there will be enough engagement from the big men up front to free these missiles to explode all over the enemy..

    …………

    It’s not even noon, folks. And we’ve got Tatum comparisons.

  26. Captain Mudslide & the Dingle Berry Posse Says:

    LMAO

  27. Lynn from Snot Says:

    Counting on players to be suspended or on the PUP list is not the way to go into the season against an opponent.

  28. RaiderRockstar Says:

    I think the Lakers win by 18 tonight.

    ***

    subtract 20 from your prediction …

    Celtics by 2

    Kobe misses at the buzzer

  29. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    # edward teach Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Well, seeing as how it’s his team and he’s publicly taken the blame for the last seven years, I would say that his taking the credit if it does turn around would be completely justified and appropriate.

    ………….

    Unless of course it’s not true, and we only win in spite of him. If Cable has to undermine Al at every turn in order to get wins, the way Gruden had to, why should Davis get the credit? This logic that because Davis gets the blame when we lose he would deserve the credit when we win is not necessarily true. If the coach has to in in spite of Al, Al shouldn’t get an ounce of credit for the team winning. But have no worries, Al’s not going to let Cable win anyway.

  30. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Jason Campbell doesn’t have to be Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Brett Favre or Kurt Warner to lead us to the playoffs.

    …………………….

    LOL. Of course not. With the hall of fame talent he’s surrounded by?

  31. RaiderRockstar Says:

    With the hall of fame talent he’s surrounded by?

    ***

    yes. and don’t forget the HOF owner

  32. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    # Lynn from Snot Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Counting on players to be suspended or on the PUP list is not the way to go into the season against an opponent.

    ………………

    It is when Al Davis is your GM, Tom Cable is your Head Coach, and Jason Campbell is your starting QB. m

  33. RaiderRockstar Says:

    BSJ says Al Davis should be in the HOF twice …

  34. Dakota Says:

    Cable has been demoted to pre-game grounds keeper.

  35. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Davis sued his way into the hall. Common knowledge outside the Raider Nation of denial.

  36. RaiderRockstar Says:

    Davis sued his way into the hall.

    ***

    link? source?

  37. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Davis sued his way into relevancy.

  38. RaiderRockstar Says:

    ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) Disgruntled Buffalo Bills running back Marshawn Lynch is participating in his first voluntary practice after missing the team’s first 12 sessions this spring.

    Bills spokesman Scott Berchtold said Monday that Lynch was on the field during a practice that is closed to the media. It’s unclear whether Lynch will speak to reporters at the conclusion of the session.

    Buffalo’s 2007 first-round draft pick is unhappy being in Buffalo, believing he needs a fresh start elsewhere after several run-ins with police over the past two years. Two weeks ago, Lynch spent two days working out at the Bills facility but skipped practice and did not meet with coach Chan Gailey.

    The Bills have insisted they have no intention of trading Lynch.

    Updated June 15, 2010

    By JOHN WAWROW, AP Sports Writer

  39. The Big Banana Says:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/13978/long-holdouts-appear-almost-certain-in-san-diego

  40. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Sure Lynch would love to come here and block in Al’s vertical offense. A dream of his.

  41. RaiderRockstar Says:

    sounds like the Bills & Marshawn are finally playing nice … but how many carries will he get sharing the backfield with Jackson & Spiller ???

  42. Hollywood21 Says:

    Why are so many “Raider Fans” hating on Jason Campbell? He’s hands down the best QB we have on our roster. No he’s not an elite QB but he’s a very good QB, best we’ve had since Gannon.

  43. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Best since Gannon based on what? He hasn’t done anything for the Raiders yet. If you’re going to go by stats coming in, without having taken a snap yet for the Raiders, Kerry Collins was a much bigger acquisition. Campbell was error prone in Washington and their system is 20 times more organized and simpler for the QB than ours. I wouldn’t be surprised if he were as bad as Russell in Oakland.

  44. RaiderRockstar Says:

    H21: haters

    Raider fans support Jason Campbell

  45. RaiderRockstar Says:

    MEETING!

  46. HairyBush Says:

    Anybody want to jump on the trade for Logan Mankins bandwagon with me?

  47. silvernbleez Says:

    Raiderrockstar says:

    I heart the cack!!!!

    _______________________________________

    we know rockstar, we know

  48. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Al’s system is so unfriendly to the QB that Tom Brady or Peyton Manning couldn’t play here, let alone Jason Campbell.

  49. silvernbleez Says:

    Maddenraider says:

    LoL!! Wow rockstar me too. Go chargers! Powder blues yaaaaaaaay!!!!
    ______________________________________________________________

    and raider fans call them selves hard core! I can’t wait for the bolts revamped running game to destroy your defense, while Antonio Gates makes corner endzone catches right in front of the black hole!!! Lmfao, I love it. Sorry trader fans, you think Zac miller is something watch a chargers game and you’ll see TE play that at a much higher level than your wanna be Dave Casper. I’m out this booch

  50. DutchRaider77 Says:

    What is the deal with Vincent Jackson?
    The guy had two DUI last year and will “hopefully” (b/c he is a charger) be suspended for four games.
    If he holds out into the season and does not sign his tender, when does the suspension start to run?

  51. Just Fire Baby Says:

    VY wins games with the Titans, always has, and Kerry Collins doesn’t.

    Therefore, I pray that Collins is the starter.

  52. silvernbleez Says:

    Dutchtrader77 watches more TMZ than football

  53. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    COMMENTS FALSELY ATTRIBUTED TO ME!!!

    silvernbleez Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Maddenraider says:

    LoL!! Wow rockstar me too. Go chargers! Powder blues yaaaaaaaay!!!!

    NEVER SAID ANY SUCH THING.

    THIS IS WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY SIMPLY DON’T HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT. THEY TAKE THE EASY ROUTE AND PUT WORDS INTO YOUR MOUTH, AND ATTRIBUTE AN ARGUMENT TO YOU THAT THEY CAN BEAT. WEAK. BUT, LIKE OWNER, LIKE FANS. DESPERATION RULES THE DAY.

  54. silvernbleez Says:

    MR, gettin all political on us huh sparky. Don’t cry cuz the chargers are gonn spank that arse again this season!!

  55. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Hollywood21 Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 10:54 am
    Why are so many “Raider Fans” hating on Jason Campbell? He’s hands down the best QB we have on our roster. No he’s not an elite QB but he’s a very good QB, best we’ve had since Gannon.

    *********************************

    Beforer they came to Oakland, Aaron Brooks and Kerry Collins were miles ahead where Jason Campbell is in his career.

    We need our QB to be the 2nd best QB in the division to have any consideration of winning it. We don’t just need an upgrade over Jamarcus.

    Campbell has to be better than Orton and Cassell. He was better than Cassell last year, and Orton had a leg up on him. That will be the key to the season.

  56. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    I don’t visit for a while as I’m licking my wounds after predicting the Laker’s in 6. But being the NBA, we still can close it in 7 at home. (Just please no Jack Kent Cooke stunt with balloons in the rafters). Then I read the post with the KISS OF DEATH from MR. LOL

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 10:07 am
    As much as I’d hate to see it, I think the Lakers win it. They only have to win by a fraction of a point tonight to get it to game 7, and that’s not hard for them to do at home. And I’m telling you right now, Boston fans might as well not even watch game 7.

    MR just fu*ked my Laker’s.

  57. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Silvernbleez, it’s way too early. Pass out. Get some rest. When you wake up, call your sponsor.

  58. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    How bad can my predictions be? I predict the Raiders to lose every year, and I’m right.

  59. jhill Says:

    jhill Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 7:17 am

    I don’t look at what Campbell did in Washington’s offense. I look at the plays WE run and how many times we just said “awww, what was that!???!”

    From all indications, Campbell can make the obvious throws and then some.

    I’ll even go as far as to say your boy Gradkowski could manage this offense too. As long as that Oline is upgraded that is.

  60. DutchRaider77 Says:

    @silvernbleez: “TMZ” Do you read stories on NFL.com, ESPN and watch the NFL network or ESPN. Because the story of Vincent Jackson holding out is a major story for these groups.

    Thought the Nation might have an opinion on the Division rival starting #1 receiver being suspended/holdout over Vince Young being suspended “one” game.

  61. silvernbleez Says:

    MR ur sauce is weak

  62. Just Fire Baby Says:

    And please don’t tell me about Campbell’s passing yards again. That has to be the most useless stat in football.

    Remember Charlie Frye’s game against the Browns? He threw for more yards than any other QB that week, and was the most passing yards a Raider QB had in 3 years.

    And it was a completely awful performance.

  63. silvernbleez Says:

    Sorry dutchtrader77 I have a life.

  64. BigTed707 Says:

    Chargers postseason: 10-16
    Chargers Superbowl record: 0-1

  65. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    We’re doing records now, Ted? Where’s Kell at…

  66. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Vegas, if Campbell was in Washington they’d be saying the same things you’re saying about him. But Al signed him. So he has to be great. Don’t you understand that’s the premise of every single football related argument they put forth?

  67. silvernbleez Says:

    MR that’s right. Let Ted know he’s a clown. U hear that Ted, ur own nation doesn’t even support u. Come to the powder blue side of town, we’ll always be there for u.

  68. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    MR just fu*ked my Laker’s.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::

    LOL.

  69. BigTed707 Says:

    Just pointing out that the Chargers have a weak history and tradition.

    AL has almost won more postseason games than the Chargers have appeared in.

  70. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Too bad there’s no trophy for being better than the Chargers, Ted.

  71. silvernbleez Says:

    RaiderRockstar says:

    I’m changing my name to PowderblueRockstar!!!! Yaaaaaay!!!!!

    *****************************

    lol! I knew it.

  72. BigTed707 Says:

    If there is, it’s worthless cuz’ most teams would have them.

  73. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    And the Chargers current win streak vs. the Raiders goes a long way toward settling any post season superiority the Raiders have, especially considering how long its been since the Raiders won a Super Bowl. The last Super Bowl the Raiders went to, they got destroyed. SD did the same in ‘94. In this modern era, I think SD’s got the Raiders locked.

  74. Just Fire Baby Says:

    MR,

    Campbell is certainly an upgrade over Russell, so I am happy with that.

    And who knows, maybe he can be another of Al’s successful reclamation projects. It’s just that people don’t think he is a reclamation project, as if throwing 20 TD’s to 19 turnovers for a 4-12 team is going to just carry over here and zip us into the playoffs.

    For Campbell, and the Raiders, to succeed, he will have to be WAAAAYYY better than he has ever been.

  75. silvernbleez Says:

    MR keep it going, I have an old Seau jersey waiting for u.

  76. Hollywood21 Says:

    JFB – I wouldn’t say Orton had a leg up on him last season. I would say they very comparable.

    K.Orton
    ATT 541
    COM 336
    COM%62.1
    YDS 3802
    TD 21
    INT 12
    Rat 86.8

    J.Campbell
    ATT 507
    COM 327
    COM%64.5
    YDS 3618
    TD 20
    INT 15
    Rat 86.4

    And more importantly he was very productive vs. the AFC West (3 out of 4 games) He stunk it up against KC.

    OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
    KC L 14-6 9 16 89 56.3 5.56 25 0 1 1.0 46.1
    DEN W 27-17 17 26 193 65.4 7.42 27 1 0 3.0 100.3
    OAK W 34-13 16 28 222 57.1 7.93 42 2 0 3.0 106.6
    SD L 23-20 28 42 281 66.7 6.69 84 2 0 1.0 101.4

    These are the most important stats to me, seeing what he did vs. our division. These numbers look impressive to me. 1 Int out of 112 passes is pretty good in my book.

    I’m just saying give the man a chance before you bash him. I’ve seen 95% of his games (I live in DC) so I know he’s a very capable QB for the Raiders. One thing that might surprise you is how well he moves, he’s not a statue.

  77. Dakota Says:

    Hang in there Exla!

  78. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    MR,

    Campbell is certainly an upgrade over Russell, so I am happy with that.

    ……………

    Of course. It’s because you’re in denial as to how many problems the Raiders have. You think Russell is the reason the Raiders have lost the last few years, despite the Raiders being 2-14 the year before Russell was drafted.

  79. BigTed707 Says:

    Raiders v. Chargers: 54-44-2
    Even if the streak goes another 5 years, the Chargers wont be ahead.

  80. silvernbleez Says:

    Don’t get mad Ted!! Just put on a chargers jersey… U’ll find watching a football game all the way through doesn’t have to precede a bottle of Jack and kicking your dog in the ribs after chokeland blows it in the 4th quarter against the chiefs and broncos!! I would say chargers but by the 3rd quarter we pretty much have the game sowed up!

  81. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 11:35 am
    Too bad there’s no trophy for being better than the Chargers, Ted.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Too bad there’s no trophy for being the blog’s worst fake-name using, cross-posting, cross-dressing, low-life troll.

  82. silvernbleez Says:

    That goes for every raider fan, take the powder blue pill and all your silver and black troubles will instantly dissapear

  83. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    True, Ted. Ron Wolf and Jon Gruden have given the Raiders a pretty good historical advantage against SD. But that streak still speaks volumes. It’s been AGES since the Raiders have beat the Chargers. The Chargers own the Raiders anymore.

  84. silvernbleez Says:

    Qualcomm is a real man’s coliseum

  85. Just Fire Baby Says:

    SD rested a ton of starters in that game against the Skins (last game of season).

    He didn’t do so hot against the Chiefs and was benched at halftime.

    My brother, die-hard Raider fan, lives right outside of B-More, and has seen JC a lot as well. Calls him the black Jeff George, tons of first-half turnovers and than mop up TD’s at the end of games to pad stats.

  86. silvernbleez Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 11:47 am
    True, Ted. Ron Wolf and Jon Gruden have given the Raiders a pretty good historical advantage against SD. But that streak still speaks volumes. It’s been AGES since the Raiders have beat the Chargers. The Chargers own the Raiders anymore.

    ***********
    yes MR keep feeding Ted the powderblue pill. Take it Ted take it!

  87. BigTed707 Says:

    Yup, as long as refs are taking TDs off the board when the Raiders are looking good v. SD, they will own us.

  88. DeuceDeuce Says:

    so Ron Wolf coached too….wow…

  89. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Calls him the black Jeff George

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    We had BRL now we got BJG? Sacrilige!

  90. DeuceDeuce Says:

    so now 7 years is considered ages?….lol

  91. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    7 years is an awful long time. Imagine if the streak went the other way? If the Chargers hadn’t beaten the Raiders in 7 years? You guys would be wearing t shirts signifying it.

  92. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 10:57 am
    Best since Gannon based on what? He hasn’t done anything for the Raiders yet. If you’re going to go by stats coming in, without having taken a snap yet for the Raiders, Kerry Collins was a much bigger acquisition. Campbell was error prone in Washington and their system is 20 times more organized and simpler for the QB than ours. I wouldn’t be surprised if he were as bad as Russell in Oakland.
    —-

    They had a different coordinator every year Campbell was the QB…so which SYSTEM are you talking bout….

  93. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 11:58 am
    7 years is an awful long time. Imagine if the streak went the other way? If the Chargers hadn’t beaten the Raiders in 7 years? You guys would be wearing t shirts signifying it.

    And….whats your point. Thats what fans are supposed to do.

  94. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    And every single one of those years under all of those coordinators, their system was more QB friendly than the Raiders have ever been since Gruden’s left.

  95. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Just pointing out the significance of the streak. It’s a long time. The Chargers own the Raiders. Period.

  96. DeuceDeuce Says:

    so your a NFL offensive expert? wow didnt know that.

  97. Just Fire Baby Says:

    I would love to wear a 7 years and counting shirt….

    It would go nicely with my bootlegged Raider guy pissing on a Chief figurine I bought in the Bart tunnel years ago after a whooping we put on them.

  98. DeuceDeuce Says:

    in that case so am I. And Grudens system was not QB friendly at all. Ask all the QBs in Tampa

  99. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    It takes an NFL offensive expert to recognize how impossible it is for a QB to play in Oakland? Didn’t know THAT.

  100. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Gruden’s a hard ass, but a QB is 20 times better off in his system than they are in Al Davis’s vertical offense. Ask Rich Gannon.

  101. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Campbell’s rookie year, the Skins made the second round of the playoffs.

    So it’s not like other QB’s , in this case an old-azzed Mark Brunell, couldn’t succeed in this “broken” system. Hell, they scored 30+ four times that year, including a nice 52 spot they hung on the Niners.

  102. BigTed707 Says:

    I hope the Raiders beat the Chargers 3X this year!

    Yes, I am a Raider fan and I hope my team will win, even is it is statistically against the odds (which it never is, because AL is a good GM).

    Once again da’ Raidahz’ look good on paper – AL has done his job – now it’s up to the coaches and the players.

  103. silvernbleez Says:

    MR might be chargers fan rookie of the year

  104. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    Gruden’s a hard ass, but a QB is 20 times better off in his system than they are in Al Davis’s vertical offense. Ask Rich Gannon.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Strange, Gannon is the only QB to thrive in his system and actually did much better after Gruden’s system was dumped for Marc Trestman’s.

  105. Hollywood21 Says:

    Who do you think will have the biggest impact as a rookie. McClain, Houston or McFadden)?

  106. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    Gruden’s a hard ass, but a QB is 20 times better off in his system than they are in Al Davis’s vertical offense. Ask Rich Gannon.

    His system? You mean the WCO….the one they ran in Washington last year….The one Campbell isnt suited for….the one we DONT run….oh ok.

  107. Dakota Says:

    MCFADDEN!

  108. DeuceDeuce Says:

    Hollywood21 Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    Who do you think will have the biggest impact as a rookie. McClain, Houston or McFadden)?

    Houston….

  109. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Possibly the funniest 7 words ever typed at this blog:

    # Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Gruden’s system was dumped for Marc Trestman’s.

  110. silvernbleez Says:

    MR since u’ve changed over tell em how much better fours was than stabler. They’ll love that

  111. DeuceDeuce Says:

    the funny part is you thinking its Grudens system..

  112. Just Fire Baby Says:

    McClain, in a runaway.

  113. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    MCFADDEN!

    :::::::::::::::::::::::

    LOLOLOL

  114. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    A linebacker in Al’s man coverage system? I dunno. Only corners seem to be happy here. It’s frustrating to everyone else. Being a defender in Oakland means being scapegoated for an outdated system that isn’t your fault.

  115. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Here is Campbell’s tenure in Washington:

    2005- rookie year, doesn’t play, team goes 10-6 and into second round of playoff.

    2006- team struggles under Brunell, 3-6 when benched in favor of JC, and he goes 2-5.

    2007- Joe Gibbs last of his 4 years there, team goes 5-7 with Campbell starting, he gets hurt, than goes 4-0 with Todd fkn Collins at QB and sneaks into the playoffs.

    2008- Campbell plays all 16 games, team starts hot going 6-2, but they limp to the finish and go 8-8.

    2009- Plays all 16 games, team goes 4-12.

    Looks to me, that Campbell was the problem, not the Redskins.

  116. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    Possibly the funniest 7 words ever typed at this blog:

    # Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Gruden’s system was dumped for Marc Trestman’s.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Like Gruden would have let Gannon EVER pass 50+ times in a game. Gruden was just way too conservative, and clearly held Rich back.

  117. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    A linebacker in Al’s man coverage system? I dunno. Only corners seem to be happy here. It’s frustrating to everyone else. Being a defender in Oakland means being scapegoated for an outdated system that isn’t your fault.

    Cause Rob Ryan has jus set the world on fire with his D since he left….

  118. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    MR’s hating equation: It is Al’s fault when the team comes up short, but it is the coaches credit when we win. Or Ron Wolf’s, who never coached a minute in the NFL.

  119. silvernbleez Says:

    I mean Fouts

  120. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Who said Gannon passing 50+ times was a good thing? I know going to the Super Bowl is a huge feat, but I still believe the 2000 team was Gruden’s best here. The balance was perfect. Smash mouth with a west coast passing game. If Al Davis wouldn’t have started running Gruden out of here after the 2000 season, just because Gruden wanted to be paid like a real coach, that 2000 team and system would have only gotten better.

  121. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    What does Rob Ryan have to do with anything? Al Davis is the real defensive coordinator in Oakland.

  122. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    # Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    MR’s hating equation: It is Al’s fault when the team comes up short, but it is the coaches credit when we win. Or Ron Wolf’s, who never coached a minute in the NFL.

    ………..

    It’s not my equation. It’s the truth. Al can’t be fired. He’s a mainstay only because he’s an owner, otherwise he would have been ran out of the league 20 years ago. Coaches have to win in spite of him. His system and style of management is detrimental to winning, period. A Raider coach’s first job is to undermine Al and clean out his dead wood. That’s why coach’s should get all of the credit when we win, because he’s the one who deserves it.

  123. BigTed707 Says:

    Al Davis is the real defensive coordinator in Oakland.
    _______________

    Link? Source?

  124. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    What does Rob Ryan have to do with anything? Al Davis is the real defensive coordinator in Oakland.

    and santa claus is a good story too….

  125. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    What’s the point, Ted? If I cite a source, you’ll call that source a liar. I could name players like Warren Sapp who’ve gone on record talking about Al’s meddling on defense, you’d just attack their credibility. So we’ll leave it at this. It’s just something that everyone who isn’t an idiot knows. Al Davis runs the Raiders’ defense.

  126. DeuceDeuce Says:

    anyone thinking Campbell isnt an instant upgrade over Russell should be shot.

  127. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    Who said Gannon passing 50+ times was a good thing?

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Won him an MVP? Get a clue MR, Gruden proved in TB that he is NOT an offensive mastermind. Trestman took the reins off and Gannon showed what was capable with a real offensive coordinator.

  128. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    I think Campbell is just enough of an upgrade over Russell to get the Raiders to 5-11.

  129. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    I never said Gruden was an “offensive mastermind”. But I know some of Davis’s worshipers still say that of Davis, even today, despite what they’ve done on the field in recent years. I just said Gruden was a good coach who turned the Raiders around.

  130. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    What’s the point, Ted? If I cite a source, you’ll call that source a liar. I could name players like Warren Sapp who’ve gone on record talking about Al’s meddling on defense, you’d just attack their credibility. So we’ll leave it at this. It’s just something that everyone who isn’t an idiot knows. Al Davis runs the Raiders’ defense.

    your going off of Warren Sapp? lol…your good…

  131. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    I think Campbell is just enough of an upgrade over Russell to get the Raiders to 5-11.


    shut up.

  132. Jonesy941 Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    I think Campbell is just enough of an upgrade over Russell to get the Raiders to 5-11.
    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,,,

    whats up your arse

  133. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Of course, then there’s the possibility of Campbell leading the Raiders to a record worse than 5-11, which is VERY likely. Can’t wait to see what you guys will have to say then.

  134. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    I never said Gruden was an “offensive mastermind”.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Who said you did? Please find where this was stated.

    The point I was making is that once Gruden bombed after the Tampa SB win, it became apparent that his Raider success came because Gannon was excellent and Davis got him the right players.

    The Raiders got immediately better offensively after Gruden left. Tampa got worse offensively as Gruden molded the team to his system. Al was right to trade him – Gruden just aint that good as an offensive coach.

  135. Dakota Says:

    I think MR is just skeptical that Al Davis could possibly field a decent team since Al has been in a 26 year funk.

    Can you blame him for being skeptical?

  136. BigTed707 Says:

    Biggest weakness on the Raiders is @ OT and C.
    If Huge-action calls a good game, Raiders go 10-6.

  137. DeuceDeuce Says:

    26 year funk huh….your one of those i take it..

    His fault…win in spite of him…lol…you guys are clowns.

  138. Dakota Says:

    DeuceDeuce Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    26 year funk huh….your one of those i take it..

    His fault…win in spite of him…lol…you guys are clowns.
    +++++++++

    What, you like losing or something?

  139. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Gruden won his division again ‘05. You want to talk about bombing, look at what the Raiders have done after that Super Bowl.

  140. Jonesy941 Says:

    its funny to hear that we wont be any better when we played with 2nd and 3rd string qbs last year and beat some good teams now we get a qb that looks like payton manning standing next to J russel how will we not improve with some consistent qb play campbell threw for 3600+yds 20tds with and copleted over 63% of his passes and we are not going to improve?

  141. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    I think MR is just skeptical that Al Davis could possibly field a decent team since Al has been in a 26 year funk.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Thats a bit much. There were some very good teams in that period. Does funk mean not winning a SB? If so, Green Bay, Dallas, San Diego, San Fran, etc. are also in a decade-long funk.

  142. Dakota Says:

    I would give Al Davis credit if he would just do something worth giving him credit for…hey, nice job hiring Gruden…and errr, hmmm.

  143. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Dakota it’s not necessarily how long it’s been since we’ve won a Super Bowl, it’s just Al’s style of management. His stubbornness and overall stupidity. Didn’t someone once say that the difference between a genius and an idiot is that if a genius were an idiot he’d admit it and try to become smarter? Al is just so stubborn and stupid it’s really impossible to get behind him unless you’re a fan of stubbornness and stupidity, which may be the case for some of these guys in here. As far as stats go, the 7 straight years of failure is a lot more glaring than the time since the last SB victory. I just throw that at the minions who act like the Raiders are still superior to other teams. Today, they’re superior to NO ONE.

  144. RaiderRockstar Says:

    bleez: shut up

  145. DeuceDeuce Says:

    and as bad as the Raiders have been since that Super Bowl…..Gruden is 0-2 against us…..oh no’s…..

  146. Drexl Says:

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Of course, then there’s the possibility of Campbell leading the Raiders to a record worse than 5-11, which is VERY likely. Can’t wait to see what you guys will have to say then.
    ——————————————————
    Of course, then there’s the possibility of Campbell leading the Raiders to a record BETTER than 5-11, which is VERY likely. Can’t wait to see what YOU will have to say then.

    This game is to easy.
    I am liking thei new flavor in Al’s kool-aid!

  147. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    You want to talk about bombing, look at what the Raiders have done after that Super Bowl.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    And they would have done at least as bad with Gruden. The roster was ancient by 2003, and Gruden cannot develop young players.

  148. HayesDaze37 Says:

    It’s a great short-OTA week to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?

    It’s easy to smell the manure spreader MR…and his #1 fan, KK…lingering as usual. Actually…since they don’t linger (they live here), it’s IMPOSSIBLE not to smell them. They’re forever stained by their hatred. They don’t even need to offer their single opinion for the 100th time-per-day…we can smell it before the splat hits the screen. They’ve grown so much these past few years…you’d think they’d have grown out of diapers by now.

    LMN — I see you continue to paint all of the USA with your wide brush of ingorance and distaste…even though you’ve never stepped foot on her soil. Your “absolutes” are some of the most uneducated and presumptuous statements on the blog…usually just to show how superior you are. With laughable effects, actually. Did you really say “we all know ones teens are way more important than the baby years?”

    LMN — The ages of 0-9 years-old are as important (and in many ways MORE important) as the teen years are in terms of developing healthy bodies and minds. And the way you speak of that kid from New Zealand, you make it sound like he was raised by wolves and didn’t know how to walk upright before he somehow was saved by the miracles of life only available in Denmark. You are one stubborn know-it-all for a 30-ish guy without a car.

    DeuceDeuce — Keep on keepin’ it real, dude…without guys like you, the lies and convenient half-truths in here would be even more foul than they are!

  149. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    DeuceDeuce Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    and as bad as the Raiders have been since that Super Bowl…..Gruden is 0-2 against us…..oh no’s…..

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Bravo.

  150. DeuceDeuce Says:

    Today, they’re superior to NO ONE.

    They would have the 1st pick every year if that were true.

  151. Jonesy941 Says:

    kobe said hes done with the lakers he is going to come play for the raiders as our new wide receiver!

  152. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Gruden is 0-2 against us? Surely you’re not counting Super Bowl 37.

  153. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    I would give Al Davis credit if he would just do something worth giving him credit for…

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Well, he passed on Clausen! Genius! But he did draft DMAC. Al can be an idiot at times, I admit.

  154. DeuceDeuce Says:

    Jonesy941 Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    kobe said hes done with the lakers he is going to come play for the raiders as our new wide receiver!

    I thought they dont allow gays in the NFL..

  155. RaiderRockstar Says:

    kobe said hes done with the lakers he is going to come play for the raiders as our new wide receiver!

    ***

    no room!

    Dakota, Jhill & BSJ are sold on Nick Miller as the 6th man

  156. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    # Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    You want to talk about bombing, look at what the Raiders have done after that Super Bowl.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    And they would have done at least as bad with Gruden. The roster was ancient by 2003, and Gruden cannot develop young players.

    ……………………

    Down to wouldas, couldas and shouldas now, huh?

  157. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    Gruden is 0-2 against us? Surely you’re not counting Super Bowl 37.

    Reading is fundamental dumbass…
    “and as bad as the Raiders have been since that Super Bowl…..Gruden is 0-2 against us…..oh no’s…..”

  158. RaiderRockstar Says:

    LOL @ DeuceDeuce #154

    Agreed

  159. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    Down to wouldas, couldas and shouldas now, huh?

    —-
    Isnt that what your down to everytime you talk about if we WOULDA kept Gruden….or WOULDA kept Kiffin….or SHOULDA drafted this guy and not that guy….

  160. Jonesy941 Says:

    f nick miller in the A$$ we should get an extra roster spot this season cuz his retard A$$

  161. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Someone who was at Super Bowl 37 in SD said they saw a guy in a Raider shirt running around and asking, “It’s a great day to be a Raider fan, isn’t it?”, when the game was over.

  162. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Down to wouldas, couldas and shouldas now, huh?

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Hmmm, Gruden WOULDA kept his job if he COULDA beat the Raiders like you seem to think he SHOULDA.

  163. Dakota Says:

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
    Dakota Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    I think MR is just skeptical that Al Davis could possibly field a decent team since Al has been in a 26 year funk.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Thats a bit much. There were some very good teams in that period. Does funk mean not winning a SB? If so, Green Bay, Dallas, San Diego, San Fran, etc. are also in a decade-long funk.
    +++++++++++

    Getting blown out by the Bills in the AFC championship game and by TB in the SB just doesn’t float my boat. I don’t care about those other team’s problems…Al sold me on the whole team of the decades, commitment to excellence line of BS =25 years ago and he has dissapointed me year in and year out. He keeps things exciting, sure, he is just no longer capable of winning SBs.

    As a Lakers fan you should know that finishing second means nothing.

  164. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    LOL Deuce Deuce beat me to the punch!

  165. RaiderRockstar Says:

    Jonesy941: Agreed

    Nick Miller is done in Oakland. he won’t make the final 53, even if we keep a 6th WR

    Watkins, Holland & Figurs will fight for the last spot (if we keep a 6th)

  166. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    As a Lakers fan you should know that finishing second means nothing.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    And as a Cubs and Notre Dame fan you should know that winning is not the only reason to be one.

  167. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    Someone who was at Super Bowl 37 in SD said they saw a guy in a Raider shirt running around and asking, “It’s a great day to be a Raider fan, isn’t it?”, when the game was over.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Oh, you were there?

  168. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    It’s just that Bo’s pretending to be a historian today. Surprising to see him delve into the wouldas and couldas, that’s all.

  169. Dakota Says:

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    Someone who was at Super Bowl 37 in SD said they saw a guy in a Raider shirt running around and asking, “It’s a great day to be a Raider fan, isn’t it?”, when the game was over.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Oh, you were there?

    ++++++++

    BURN!

  170. DeuceDeuce Says:

    nice backpedal….whats your 40? might have a future as a DB

  171. Dakota Says:

    Al Davis is in the way of the Raiders winning…he must go down and he must go down hard.

  172. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    RRS, I will bet you that Nick Miller lasts longer on the roster than Figurs. Practice squad doesn’t count.

    The loser has to call HQ and ask to speak with GM Danny Southwick…

  173. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    It’s funny to see Raider fans mock *other* GMs.

  174. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    Al Davis is in the way of the Raiders winning…he must go down and he must go down hard.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Speaking of DMAC…

  175. HayesDaze37 Says:

    Immediately following the Super Bowl disaster against TB…MOST of us REAL FANS were, and are, the same fans we used to be. All-in, all of the time, and hoping for the best for our team…and not allowing the whines of the weak, weak-minded, or hate-driven to alter our allegiance.

    Tough times??? Everybody goes through ‘em. Tough people and teams (and fans), survive them without much more lost than pride and ticket sales. Legacies can be rebuilt, if that is even necessary. The winning Raiders will be back — may be back as early as this year, even — and the fans who survived these times with them will be stronger for it.

    A strength and satisfaction that the sycophants (MR, KK, et al) will never know.

  176. RaiderRockstar Says:

    I will bet you that Nick Miller lasts longer on the roster than Figurs. Practice squad doesn’t count.

    The loser has to call HQ and ask to speak with GM Danny Southwick…

    ***

    deal!

    wait, what if they both fail to make the final 53 ???

  177. RaiderRockstar Says:

    BSJ: you should have bet me on that T-storm headed towards Podunk last night

    never happened

  178. Dakota Says:

    HayesDaze37 Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    Immediately following the Super Bowl disaster against TB…MOST of us REAL FANS were, and are, the same fans we used to be. All-in, all of the time, and hoping for the best for our team…and not allowing the whines of the weak, weak-minded, or hate-driven to alter our allegiance.

    Tough times??? Everybody goes through ‘em. Tough people and teams (and fans), survive them without much more lost than pride and ticket sales. Legacies can be rebuilt, if that is even necessary. The winning Raiders will be back — may be back as early as this year, even — and the fans who survived these times with them will be stronger for it.

    A strength and satisfaction that the sycophants (MR, KK, et al) will never know.
    ++++++++++

    Sure, the Raiders deserve that loyalty…Al Davis doesn’t.

  179. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    I will bet you that Nick Miller lasts longer on the roster than Figurs. Practice squad doesn’t count.

    The loser has to call HQ and ask to speak with GM Danny Southwick…

    ***

    deal!

    wait, what if they both fail to make the final 53 ???

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    You mean cut on the same day? Maybe Reece vs. Condo can be a tiebreaker…

  180. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    What you’re not getting HayesDaze, is that the Raiders did not “survive” that loss. 7 years later, they still haven’t gotten on their feet. They haven’t won more than 5 games in a season. Gone through countless head coaches and quarterbacks. They haven’t even won 3 games straight. So, the truth is, not everyone bounces back from tough losses. Some people stay down, forever. And Al is one of them, it looks like.

  181. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    BSJ: you should have bet me on that T-storm headed towards Podunk last night

    never happened

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Must have stayed to the east of Springfield…looked like a sure thing. I have been known to err on the radar thing though… just ask my golfing buddies :(

  182. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    I mean west of Springfield. Joplin-ish.

  183. HayesDaze37 Says:

    And…yes, even at that fateful Super Bowl, I probably did walk around saying, “It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?”

    Like all in the Raiders family, I was numb…but not numb in the brain (or heart) enough to let it change my loyalties. Honor and pride last a lot longer than 60 minutes of football played on game days.

    Proud to be a Raiders fan. Proud of Al Davis for NEVER GIVING UP. Proud to see MY Oakland Raiders rebuilt…and anxious to see all their hard work pay off.

    It IS a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?

  184. Dakota Says:

    The misinformed have sadly coupled Al Davis to the Raiders. Al Davis is nothing but a temporary owner who will eventually be gone and the Raiders will move forward without him.

    If Al Davis was a CEO he would have been ousted years ago. If he was the GM of another team he would have been fired in the 1990s.

    Al is nothing but an impediment and someone for you old guys to look fondly back on and remember him for his great run more than a quarter century ago…good for you, now just get Al out of our way please.

  185. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    So what did I learn today…that Tyvon Branch hits as hard as Jack Tatum and that the Glaziers actually wanted Tressman and not Gruden. Always a laugh in here. Later.

  186. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Al Davis is nothing but a temporary owner who will eventually be gone and the Raiders will move forward without him.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    PLEASE NO!!!!!

  187. Dakota Says:

    Al Davis is to blame for it all. Our team, which once was the model franchise (27 years ago), has now become the standard bearer for the bottom dwellers of the NFL. Outside of expansion teams, the last 7 years of Raiders football has been possibly the worst, most pathetic showing an NFL team has ever had. We have not had the players, the coaches or the leadership that is required to pull us out of this slump.

    Who do I think is to blame? Everyone to an extent, I guess, but there is one constant through it all; Al Davis. It is his team, he makes all of the decisions, he is in complete control of this franchise so how can he not take the blame for the current state of his franchise? He IS THE RAIDERS as some of you are fond of stating. Let’s check the facts all of you Al supporters have been touting.

    This is his track record since 1990:

    Team Record: 132-172

    AFC West Championships: 3 in 19 seasons

    Super Bowls: 0-1

    Coaches: He hired six losers: , Art Shell, Bugle, White, Callahan, Turner, Tom Cable; and one winner: Gruden. Then traded the winner. And don’t forget Al sabotaging the entire 2008 season simply to build a case against Lane Kiffin.

    He drafted these losers in the critical first three rounds : Russell, Huff, Routt, McQuistan, Fabian, Gallery, Grove, Schweigert, Brayton, Teyo, Buchanon, Harris, Jolley, Gibson, Grant, Jano, Porter, Ioane, Stinchcomb, Bryant, D. Russell, Kohn, Dudley, Aska, Folston, Calvin Jones, Patrick Bates, Hobert, McGlockton, Skrepenek, Marinovich.

    He drafted these decent to good players: Morrison, Nnamdi, Fargas (only recently played well), Lechler, Woodson, Kaufman, Robbins. Only Robbins, Woodson and Lechler have been perennial pro bowlers. No Hall of Famers in this list.

    Moves: He moved the team from LA to Oakland and it blew up in his face.

    QBs: Schroeder, Marinovich, Hostetler, George, Gannon, Collins, Brooks and Russell: This is one of Al’s strong points. Schroeder, Hoss, George, Gannon and Collins all had decent stats, but did not always lead the team to victory outside of Gannon.

    If you check the facts it is pretty obvious that Al Davis has not performed up to expectations, especially his own expectations over the past 19 seasons or so. The game has moved beyond him. He needs to hire a GM to help him with his decision making; it is clear from the FACTS that Al Davis no longer has the ability to run an NFL franchise PERIOD. No super bowl victories, disgusting draft record, poor choices of head coaches, poor AFC West record, poor overall record, poor decision making in terms of moving his franchise…it all adds up. Pull your heads out of the sand and look at the stark, cold reality of the situation.

  188. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    If the Lakers lose tonight I want Mitch Kokchap fired. Artest has been a bust.

  189. RaiderRockstar Says:

    Maybe Reece vs. Condo can be a tiebreaker…

    ***

    LOL, alright

    go Condo!

  190. DeuceDeuce Says:

    My 53 man roster….
    QB – CAMPBELL / GRADKOWSKI / BOLLER
    RB – RUN DMC / BUSH / CARTWRIGHT / BENNETT
    FB – LAWTON / REECE
    WR – SCHILLENS / DHB / MURPHY / JLH / FORD / MILLER
    TE – MILLER / MYERS / STEWART
    OT – HENDERSON / WALKER / VELDHEER / PEARS
    OG – GALLERY / CARLISLE / BARNES / CAMPBELL
    C – SATELE / MORRIS
    DE – SEYMOUR / HOUSTON / SHAUGHNESSY / RICHARDSON
    DT – KELLY / HENDERSON / BRYANT /
    OLB – WIMBLEY / SCOTT / HOWARD / GROVES / EKUIJIBA
    MLB – MCCLAIN / BROWN /
    CB – ASOMUGHA / JOHNSON / ROUTT / MCFADDEN
    S – HUFF / BRANCH / MITCHELL / EUGENE
    K – JANIKOWSI / LECHLER
    LS – CONDO
    Practice Squad….
    S – STEVIE BROWN
    CB – JEREMY WARE
    DE – ALEX DANIELS
    DT – KELLEN HEARD
    G – ALEX PARSONS
    FB – CHASE MOLINE
    WR – DAMOLA ADENIJI

    IDK..

  191. HayesDaze37 Says:

    Al’s done as Al will do.

    The Raiders have done pretty well since Al Davis CREATED the Raiders as we knew them, and as we know them now.

    As far as I know, in the good old USA (right, LMN?!)…a guy who OWNS his creation, has the right to do with it what he pleases. And what he pleases, is to stay in the mix. He created the mix, he still gets to stir it.

    Al Davis is THE Man. Weird? Quirky?? Nutty??? What great man ever WASN’T some or all of those things? What great man ever just rolled over and accepted failure without trying to right his wrongs? Al never quits, and there’s much to be said right there.

    Al Davis was, and is, great for the NFL. Long live Al!

  192. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    So what did I learn today…that Tyvon Branch hits as hard as Jack Tatum and that the Glaziers actually wanted Tressman and not Gruden. Always a laugh in here. Later.

    —-
    You learned that it is true…you are indeed a b**ch. And dodged and avoided all the points I called you on. You, your momma, daddy…..your whole family…I hate em all….lol

  193. RaiderRockstar Says:

    avoided all the points I called you on. You, your momma, daddy…..your whole family…I hate em all

    ***

    DeuceDeuce: do you hate the cousin MR wants to get it on with ???

  194. DeuceDeuce Says:

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    avoided all the points I called you on. You, your momma, daddy…..your whole family…I hate em all

    ***

    DeuceDeuce: do you hate the cousin MR wants to get it on with ???

    Ya I hate that guy too…lol

  195. DeuceDeuce Says:

    I traveled back in time to call ya a cracka….

  196. DeuceDeuce Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider listens to Coldplay….

  197. RaiderRockstar Says:

    The Real MaddenRaider listens to Coldplay….

    ***

    I thought it was Culture Club?

  198. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Jerry is on crack:

    jerrymac: Shaughnessy, Kelly, Henderson or Bryant, JRich (on 1st down)

  199. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Kim Jong Al?

  200. Dakota Says:

    Kim Jong Al….I LOVE IT!

  201. Dakota Says:

    GOOOO LAKERS….yee you guys later!

  202. Dakota Says:

    or SEE you guys later….

  203. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Boooooooo Jerry!!!!!!

    I ask a good 7 questions, and the only one you answer is one you already answered from someone-else.

    Very Jamarcus-esque effort.

  204. edward teach Says:

    LMN — I see you continue to paint all of the USA with your wide brush of ingorance and distaste…even though you’ve never stepped foot on her soil. Your “absolutes” are some of the most uneducated and presumptuous statements on the blog…usually just to show how superior you are. With laughable effects, actually. Did you really say “we all know ones teens are way more important than the baby years?”

    LMN — The ages of 0-9 years-old are as important (and in many ways MORE important) as the teen years are in terms of developing healthy bodies and minds. And the way you speak of that kid from New Zealand, you make it sound like he was raised by wolves and didn’t know how to walk upright before he somehow was saved by the miracles of life only available in Denmark. You are one stubborn know-it-all for a 30-ish guy without a car.

    ********************************************************

    This is an absolutely terrific, spot-on rebuttal, and the first part needed to be said a LONG time ago. I’ve tried, but either he doesn’t understand it or is too full of himself to try to.

    Nice job, HayesDaze.

  205. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Ya I hate that guy too…lol

    ****************************

    Zingerrrrrr!!!!

  206. Just Fire Baby Says:

    BSJ,

    Condo is going to be a Raider for anotheer 10 years.

    If you don’t see the value in a quality long-snapper, you should watch the Giants-Niners playoff game they are showing all this week on NFLN.

    The Trey Junkin fiasco. Snapping killed their chances of winning a Super Bowl.

  207. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Vegas,

    I have nothing against Condo’s abilities as a longsnapper, I just do not believe it is necessary to devote a roster spot to him. I don’t recall any bad snaps when our scond string center was doing the job (Treu). Morris is a smallish center and should learn the job, giving us another opening on the game day active list.

  208. hendu Says:

    Post 187,Dakota,seems Al may be listening,dont know to whom,lets see how this year plays out. My guess, a WINNING season,period! as TJ would add

  209. Stabler76 Says:

    DeuceDeuce Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    My 53 man roster….
    ————————————————-

    You know, it looks much shakier written down.

    Lots of weak spots
    C,FB WR, OT,OG
    ===================================
    LS looks good though, but we really need more depth there

    We are so dependant upon Jon Condo’s pro bowl quality long snapping ability

  210. hendu Says:

    post183, HayesDaze37,yes sir,a great day to be a Raider Fan!!

  211. Plunketthead Says:

    Woohoo

    Raiders will have their best year since they went to the SB and Callahan (the dumbest coach in America could not game plan) lost the game.

    Raiders 37

    midget Titans 10

    Best year ever

  212. Plunketthead Says:

    Has my good buddy from euroland been badmouthing America again?

    edward teach Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
    LMN — I see you continue to paint all of the USA with your wide brush of ingorance and distaste…even though you’ve never stepped foot on her soil. Your “absolutes” are some of the most uneducated and presumptuous statements on the blog…usually just to show how superior you are. With laughable effects, actually. Did you really say “we all know ones teens are way more important than the baby years?”

    LMN — The ages of 0-9 years-old are as important (and in many ways MORE important) as the teen years are in terms of developing healthy bodies and minds. And the way you speak of that kid from New Zealand, you make it sound like he was raised by wolves and didn’t know how to walk upright before he somehow was saved by the miracles of life only available in Denmark. You are one stubborn know-it-all for a 30-ish guy without a car.

    ********************************************************

    This is an absolutely terrific, spot-on rebuttal, and the first part needed to be said a LONG time ago. I’ve tried, but either he doesn’t understand it or is too full of himself to try to.

    Nice job, HayesDaze.

  213. Plunketthead Says:

    I predict we beat the discharge both games by a combined score of 51 – 27

  214. Plunketthead Says:

    Long live Al!

  215. Plunketthead Says:

    Is everyone waiting on the edge of their seat in anticipation of Obamas speech tonight?

    I bet he has solved the oil blowout
    Brilliant man, just brilliant
    I bet he came up with the solution while golfing. Thats how smart he is

  216. Plunketthead Says:

    Can you believe that some people think he is not doing enough to solve the problem?

    The nerve of some people. Its obvious that he spends all his time in between golf and parties working on the blowout

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  218. Plunketthead Says:

    I missed all the “exicting” WC games today.
    Having two jobs will do that.

    Looks like Portugal (where the hell is that) had a bad day and North frikking Korea almsot beat Brazil.

    Heck, the North koreans eat worms, bugs and bark off what few trees are left in the hellhole and they still almost won.

    I am gonna go out on a limb and say the USA will win the WC because all the other teams suck

  219. djohnnyg Says:

    RMR Said:

    “Davis sued his way into the hall. Common knowledge outside the Raider Nation of denial.”
    ————————————————–
    Hey dikhead, why don’t you quote ONE legitimate person who has ever said that. Only you with your psychotic obsession with trying to discredit him. And what are you? Just some dumbass who sits behind a computer all day and all night posting negativity about a football team that you hate and the owner who has had more success than you will ever have.

    You are just some low life turd who has done nothing of significance in your miserable life, so you cut down the people who have.

    Choke on this fagot:

    3 Super Bowls 5 appearences and AL DAVIS is a hall of famer who DID NOT sue his way in. What have you ever done loser?

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