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Raiders could get stationary target

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, June 15th, 2010 at 9:00 am in Oakland Raiders.

Ordnarily, a first-time offender in the eyes of the NFL gets the benefit of the doubt.

However, it’s conceivable Tennessee quarterback Vince Young could ride Ben Roethlisberger’s coat tails and be slapped with a one-game suspension _ meaning he’d miss the season opener against the Raiders.

Young was 8-2 as a starter after replacing Kerry Collins for the Titans last season, reviving a career that appeared dead in the water because of personal issues and poor play. An alleged assault caught on film at a strip club at 3:30 a.m. may be enough for Commissioner Roger Goodell to follow up the six-game Roethlisberger hammer and put Young out of action.

Collins is a more dangerous medium range and deep thrower than Young but much easier to prepare for considering the Raiders will have an entirely new corps of linebackers. They can play run or pass, and not be concerned with a quarterback which can get them out of position with his feet.

Add to that the status of running back Chris Johnson, the 2,000-yard running back who could sit out much of training camp in a contract dispute, and the Raiders timing appears good.

Chat scheduled for 1 p.m. today . . .

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  • Just Fire Baby

    Campbell’s rookie year, the Skins made the second round of the playoffs.

    So it’s not like other QB’s , in this case an old-azzed Mark Brunell, couldn’t succeed in this “broken” system. Hell, they scored 30+ four times that year, including a nice 52 spot they hung on the Niners.

  • BigTed707

    I hope the Raiders beat the Chargers 3X this year!

    Yes, I am a Raider fan and I hope my team will win, even is it is statistically against the odds (which it never is, because AL is a good GM).

    Once again da’ Raidahz’ look good on paper – AL has done his job – now it’s up to the coaches and the players.

  • silvernbleez

    MR might be chargers fan rookie of the year

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    Gruden’s a hard ass, but a QB is 20 times better off in his system than they are in Al Davis’s vertical offense. Ask Rich Gannon.

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    Strange, Gannon is the only QB to thrive in his system and actually did much better after Gruden’s system was dumped for Marc Trestman’s.

  • Hollywood21

    Who do you think will have the biggest impact as a rookie. McClain, Houston or McFadden)?

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
    Gruden’s a hard ass, but a QB is 20 times better off in his system than they are in Al Davis’s vertical offense. Ask Rich Gannon.

    His system? You mean the WCO….the one they ran in Washington last year….The one Campbell isnt suited for….the one we DONT run….oh ok.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    MCFADDEN!

  • DeuceDeuce

    Hollywood21 Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    Who do you think will have the biggest impact as a rookie. McClain, Houston or McFadden)?

    Houston….

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Possibly the funniest 7 words ever typed at this blog:

    # Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Gruden’s system was dumped for Marc Trestman’s.

  • silvernbleez

    MR since u’ve changed over tell em how much better fours was than stabler. They’ll love that

  • DeuceDeuce

    the funny part is you thinking its Grudens system..

  • Just Fire Baby

    McClain, in a runaway.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Dakota Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    MCFADDEN!

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    LOLOLOL

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    A linebacker in Al’s man coverage system? I dunno. Only corners seem to be happy here. It’s frustrating to everyone else. Being a defender in Oakland means being scapegoated for an outdated system that isn’t your fault.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Here is Campbell’s tenure in Washington:

    2005- rookie year, doesn’t play, team goes 10-6 and into second round of playoff.

    2006- team struggles under Brunell, 3-6 when benched in favor of JC, and he goes 2-5.

    2007- Joe Gibbs last of his 4 years there, team goes 5-7 with Campbell starting, he gets hurt, than goes 4-0 with Todd fkn Collins at QB and sneaks into the playoffs.

    2008- Campbell plays all 16 games, team starts hot going 6-2, but they limp to the finish and go 8-8.

    2009- Plays all 16 games, team goes 4-12.

    Looks to me, that Campbell was the problem, not the Redskins.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    Possibly the funniest 7 words ever typed at this blog:

    # Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Gruden’s system was dumped for Marc Trestman’s.

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    Like Gruden would have let Gannon EVER pass 50+ times in a game. Gruden was just way too conservative, and clearly held Rich back.

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    A linebacker in Al’s man coverage system? I dunno. Only corners seem to be happy here. It’s frustrating to everyone else. Being a defender in Oakland means being scapegoated for an outdated system that isn’t your fault.

    Cause Rob Ryan has jus set the world on fire with his D since he left….

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    MR’s hating equation: It is Al’s fault when the team comes up short, but it is the coaches credit when we win. Or Ron Wolf’s, who never coached a minute in the NFL.

  • silvernbleez

    I mean Fouts

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Who said Gannon passing 50+ times was a good thing? I know going to the Super Bowl is a huge feat, but I still believe the 2000 team was Gruden’s best here. The balance was perfect. Smash mouth with a west coast passing game. If Al Davis wouldn’t have started running Gruden out of here after the 2000 season, just because Gruden wanted to be paid like a real coach, that 2000 team and system would have only gotten better.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    What does Rob Ryan have to do with anything? Al Davis is the real defensive coordinator in Oakland.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    # Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    MR’s hating equation: It is Al’s fault when the team comes up short, but it is the coaches credit when we win. Or Ron Wolf’s, who never coached a minute in the NFL.

    ………..

    It’s not my equation. It’s the truth. Al can’t be fired. He’s a mainstay only because he’s an owner, otherwise he would have been ran out of the league 20 years ago. Coaches have to win in spite of him. His system and style of management is detrimental to winning, period. A Raider coach’s first job is to undermine Al and clean out his dead wood. That’s why coach’s should get all of the credit when we win, because he’s the one who deserves it.

  • BigTed707

    Al Davis is the real defensive coordinator in Oakland.
    _______________

    Link? Source?

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    What does Rob Ryan have to do with anything? Al Davis is the real defensive coordinator in Oakland.

    and santa claus is a good story too….

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    What’s the point, Ted? If I cite a source, you’ll call that source a liar. I could name players like Warren Sapp who’ve gone on record talking about Al’s meddling on defense, you’d just attack their credibility. So we’ll leave it at this. It’s just something that everyone who isn’t an idiot knows. Al Davis runs the Raiders’ defense.

  • DeuceDeuce

    anyone thinking Campbell isnt an instant upgrade over Russell should be shot.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    Who said Gannon passing 50+ times was a good thing?

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    Won him an MVP? Get a clue MR, Gruden proved in TB that he is NOT an offensive mastermind. Trestman took the reins off and Gannon showed what was capable with a real offensive coordinator.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    I think Campbell is just enough of an upgrade over Russell to get the Raiders to 5-11.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    I never said Gruden was an “offensive mastermind”. But I know some of Davis’s worshipers still say that of Davis, even today, despite what they’ve done on the field in recent years. I just said Gruden was a good coach who turned the Raiders around.

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    What’s the point, Ted? If I cite a source, you’ll call that source a liar. I could name players like Warren Sapp who’ve gone on record talking about Al’s meddling on defense, you’d just attack their credibility. So we’ll leave it at this. It’s just something that everyone who isn’t an idiot knows. Al Davis runs the Raiders’ defense.

    your going off of Warren Sapp? lol…your good…

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    I think Campbell is just enough of an upgrade over Russell to get the Raiders to 5-11.


    shut up.

  • Jonesy941

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    I think Campbell is just enough of an upgrade over Russell to get the Raiders to 5-11.
    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,,,

    whats up your arse

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Of course, then there’s the possibility of Campbell leading the Raiders to a record worse than 5-11, which is VERY likely. Can’t wait to see what you guys will have to say then.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
    I never said Gruden was an “offensive mastermind”.

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    Who said you did? Please find where this was stated.

    The point I was making is that once Gruden bombed after the Tampa SB win, it became apparent that his Raider success came because Gannon was excellent and Davis got him the right players.

    The Raiders got immediately better offensively after Gruden left. Tampa got worse offensively as Gruden molded the team to his system. Al was right to trade him – Gruden just aint that good as an offensive coach.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    I think MR is just skeptical that Al Davis could possibly field a decent team since Al has been in a 26 year funk.

    Can you blame him for being skeptical?

  • BigTed707

    Biggest weakness on the Raiders is @ OT and C.
    If Huge-action calls a good game, Raiders go 10-6.

  • DeuceDeuce

    26 year funk huh….your one of those i take it..

    His fault…win in spite of him…lol…you guys are clowns.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    DeuceDeuce Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    26 year funk huh….your one of those i take it..

    His fault…win in spite of him…lol…you guys are clowns.
    +++++++++

    What, you like losing or something?

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Gruden won his division again ’05. You want to talk about bombing, look at what the Raiders have done after that Super Bowl.

  • Jonesy941

    its funny to hear that we wont be any better when we played with 2nd and 3rd string qbs last year and beat some good teams now we get a qb that looks like payton manning standing next to J russel how will we not improve with some consistent qb play campbell threw for 3600+yds 20tds with and copleted over 63% of his passes and we are not going to improve?

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Dakota Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    I think MR is just skeptical that Al Davis could possibly field a decent team since Al has been in a 26 year funk.

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    Thats a bit much. There were some very good teams in that period. Does funk mean not winning a SB? If so, Green Bay, Dallas, San Diego, San Fran, etc. are also in a decade-long funk.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    I would give Al Davis credit if he would just do something worth giving him credit for…hey, nice job hiring Gruden…and errr, hmmm.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Dakota it’s not necessarily how long it’s been since we’ve won a Super Bowl, it’s just Al’s style of management. His stubbornness and overall stupidity. Didn’t someone once say that the difference between a genius and an idiot is that if a genius were an idiot he’d admit it and try to become smarter? Al is just so stubborn and stupid it’s really impossible to get behind him unless you’re a fan of stubbornness and stupidity, which may be the case for some of these guys in here. As far as stats go, the 7 straight years of failure is a lot more glaring than the time since the last SB victory. I just throw that at the minions who act like the Raiders are still superior to other teams. Today, they’re superior to NO ONE.

  • RaiderRockstar

    bleez: shut up

  • DeuceDeuce

    and as bad as the Raiders have been since that Super Bowl…..Gruden is 0-2 against us…..oh no’s…..

  • Drexl

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Of course, then there’s the possibility of Campbell leading the Raiders to a record worse than 5-11, which is VERY likely. Can’t wait to see what you guys will have to say then.
    ——————————————————
    Of course, then there’s the possibility of Campbell leading the Raiders to a record BETTER than 5-11, which is VERY likely. Can’t wait to see what YOU will have to say then.

    This game is to easy.
    I am liking thei new flavor in Al’s kool-aid!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    You want to talk about bombing, look at what the Raiders have done after that Super Bowl.

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    And they would have done at least as bad with Gruden. The roster was ancient by 2003, and Gruden cannot develop young players.

  • HayesDaze37

    It’s a great short-OTA week to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?

    It’s easy to smell the manure spreader MR…and his #1 fan, KK…lingering as usual. Actually…since they don’t linger (they live here), it’s IMPOSSIBLE not to smell them. They’re forever stained by their hatred. They don’t even need to offer their single opinion for the 100th time-per-day…we can smell it before the splat hits the screen. They’ve grown so much these past few years…you’d think they’d have grown out of diapers by now.

    LMN — I see you continue to paint all of the USA with your wide brush of ingorance and distaste…even though you’ve never stepped foot on her soil. Your “absolutes” are some of the most uneducated and presumptuous statements on the blog…usually just to show how superior you are. With laughable effects, actually. Did you really say “we all know ones teens are way more important than the baby years?”

    LMN — The ages of 0-9 years-old are as important (and in many ways MORE important) as the teen years are in terms of developing healthy bodies and minds. And the way you speak of that kid from New Zealand, you make it sound like he was raised by wolves and didn’t know how to walk upright before he somehow was saved by the miracles of life only available in Denmark. You are one stubborn know-it-all for a 30-ish guy without a car.

    DeuceDeuce — Keep on keepin’ it real, dude…without guys like you, the lies and convenient half-truths in here would be even more foul than they are!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    DeuceDeuce Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    and as bad as the Raiders have been since that Super Bowl…..Gruden is 0-2 against us…..oh no’s…..

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    Bravo.

  • DeuceDeuce

    Today, they’re superior to NO ONE.

    They would have the 1st pick every year if that were true.