Lakers, Asomugha, bowl over Celtics, Cable
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, June 18th, 2010 at 12:14 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A few notes during the lull before the Raiders begin to sign their draft picks and in between filing stories and preparing for the Allan Green-Andre Ward WBA super middleweight title fight Saturday night at Orcale Arena:
– According to EGA Sports, Raiders cornerback and avid Lakers fan Nnamdi Asomugha won a bet with coach and longtime Celtics fan Tom Cable after Los Angeles beat Boston in seven games Thursday night.
As the loser, Cable will treat the entire team to dinner and bowling at some point during training camp.
– Had the Raiders opened their final organized team activity to the public, sentiment among the players probably would have been similar to that of the Jacksonville Jaguars, the latest team to be docked a couple of OTA sessions.
“We’re looking to push the envelope,” safety Sean Considine said. “If you do that, you’re going to come close to breaking those (OTA) rules. If we pushed it too far, then we’re going to suffer the consequences. I don’t think anybody’s worried about who called the (player) union or turned us in.
“Losing those last two OTAs isn’t going to have anything to do with how we do this season. There’s a message behind that (NFL ruling) that you can find a positive out of it.”
Baltimore and Detroit were the other two teams besides Oakland and Jacksonville to lose OTA time.
It’s no coincidence that player complaints appear to be on the rise given the status of negotiations between the union and ownership for a new collective bargaining agreement.
– The Web site “Cold, Hard Football Facts” analyzes the stunning decline of the Raiders passing game since Super Bowl XXXVII.
Their conclusions? Part of JaMarcus Russell’s problems was the organization he played for and that Al Davis has clearly lost his fastball.
– Profootballtalk.com is reporting Russell could end up in the UFL with the new Omaha franchise. And then later reported Russell woudln’t be going to the UFL after all, instead staying in Arizona to get in shape and refine his mechanics.
Too bad. Raiders fans wishing to relive the good ol’ days with Russell could have traveled to Sacramento to see him Nov. 13 against Daunte Culpepper, Dennis Green and the Sacramento Mountain Lions.
– The wheels of NFL justice are turning regarding Vince Young. A one-game suspension for Young means he won’t face the Raiders in the regular season opener.
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June 18th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
yep!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Watching fans celebrate over the Lakers was crazy. Imagine if the Raiders won a Super Bowl. The entire state of California might be declared a state of emergency immediately after the game
June 18th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
even Jerry is trying to turn this place into a lakers chat room.. SMH thanks for the fix anyway…
June 18th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
I live in Oxnard and it was crazy out here, so I can only imagine how LA was in certain areas of East LA and south of I-10
June 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
LMN,
You thinking “they” had something to do with politics and conspiracies was STUPID.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Being I was only two years old when the Raiders last won in ‘83, can anyone tell me what the post game celebration was like? I can only imagine if we were to win one now, that an official real riot would happen somewhere in Cali (probably both in Oakland and LA)!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
why do people want to destroy things during a celebration? One would think that you want to get a few beers and end up with a woman at the end of the nite rather than destroying things and end up being someone’s b in the city jail.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
yeah, boggles my mind too Aig. The funny thing was seeing Laker fans do it of all people. And they aren’t even that diehard as far as on the extreme end of showing emotion. In today’s age, a Raider celebration would probably result in a death or two from some of the knucklehead fans.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
9th?
June 18th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Young’s suspension is a big plus for the Raiders in game one. Collins, the likely replacement, is not a run threat so we can focus on sacking him on a regular basis. Now, if Chris Johnson is still holding out, we should be able to log a win in Tennessee. Starting out the season 1-0 is a god thing.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
“good”
June 18th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
1st CJ!!! HA HA!!!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Maybe not d@mn!!!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Cable will treat the entire team to dinner and bowling at some point during training camp.
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what would have happened if Cable won?
June 18th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Reason #224 why Tom Cable is a bum…he is a Celtics’ fan.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
I don’t think anybody’s worried about who called the (player) union or turned us in.
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yeah right.
Jack Del Rio would crack some heads if he found out who did it…
June 18th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
So Jhill just e-mailed me and said he got banned as well, probably for his Kobe rant this morning.
Man they are dropping like flies around here.
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What is most disappointing is that Jhill and Vegas do not e-mail with me….
June 18th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
RRS
Probably same thing but with a different wallet. When up in Napa, the BIG dinner usually ends up at Cole’s Chop House ($$$$). The dinner check will be a monster, easily 4 digits. Figure $2-$300 per person when all said & done.
Cable’s going to choke when he gets that check.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Does anyone think we still need another RB for the season? Bush and DMAC get hurt every year. I don’t think we have enough depth. Does anyone else agree?
June 18th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
FREE JHILL!!!!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Oh and if Fargas walks back into that locker room after preseason I will $#!t on myself.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Dam cj you werent even close
CJ Legend 34 Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
1st CJ!!! HA HA!!!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
RRS
did Jhill get banned or something? FreeJHill!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
JB that is not Cable’s style.
He is going to “choke somebody” when he gets that check.
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JB Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
RRS
Probably same thing but with a different wallet. When up in Napa, the BIG dinner usually ends up at Cole’s Chop House ($$$$). The dinner check will be a monster, easily 4 digits. Figure $2-$300 per person when all said & done.
Cable’s going to choke when he gets that check.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
JB Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
RRS
Probably same thing but with a different wallet. When up in Napa, the BIG dinner usually ends up at Cole’s Chop House ($$$$). The dinner check will be a monster, easily 4 digits. Figure $2-$300 per person when all said & done.
Cable’s going to choke when he gets that check.
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Cable is used to choking. 19-55….
June 18th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
CJ
Ha Ha! Right you are.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Cable’s going to choke when he gets that check.
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JB: pretty sad
he’s already the lowest paid HC in the NFL, isn’t he?
with the least about of control, too…
June 18th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Kerry Collins week 1?!??!??!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
We wont need a RB after Al unleashes Gradkowski-DBH/Ford
June 18th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
He is going to “choke somebody” when he gets that check.
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LOL @ CJ!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
did Jhill get banned or something? FreeJHill!
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408: according to Fire Baby (Vegas) … yes
June 18th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Dakota – WB
What are your DMac forecasts for the upcoming season? This is for the record. What can we expect? What would you consider as a minimum acceptable level for him given all that has changed?
June 18th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Cable will just put it on his OaklandRaider Black American Express card. If anyone complains he will pull out his Pimphandcard.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
boooo…. Free JHill!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Kobe is not as great as MJ, but he is on the same block…Kobe is not the greatest Laker, Magic Johnson is…
Kobe is a more talented player than Magic and a greater scorer, but Magic is the greatest Laker of all time based on his leadership, showmanship and selflessness on the court.
Magic is a greater all around player than MJ. MJ dominated an era when the NBA was a water-down league with little to no competition. Magic went up against the Celtics, 76ers, and Pistons….all of which were much better teams with better players than the Sonics, Jazz, Suns or Blazers by far.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Time for Cable to slap some sense into some of our players. I wonder if Henderson (DT) will have Cable get him started before each game. That would make for some great film. Of course, as soon as the commissioner sees it, Cable will probably be suspended for action unbecoming a NFL coach. LOL
June 18th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
How about using Bruce Campbell as a fullback (Lead blocker) for DMac runs? He should be able to open some holes around the edge.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
JB Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Dakota – WB
What are your DMac forecasts for the upcoming season? This is for the record. What can we expect? What would you consider as a minimum acceptable level for him given all that has changed?
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Minimum acceptable level: 180 carries, 800 yards, 8 TDs, 47 receptions, 460 yards and 3 Tds.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
I don’t recall Jhill saying anything inappropriate this morning … not any worse than BSJ & myself
only thing I can think of might me his stance on Kobe Bryant and the Colorado “incident”
June 18th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Dakota
Let’s hope you are right!
June 18th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
this blog should be rated “M” for mature
… even though some bloggers don’t act that way
June 18th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
If Len Bias hadn’t overdosed MJ would just be another Dominique Wilkins…great scorer with zero championships.
But I would rather hear about MJ than be talking about the Celtics’ 23 championships….
June 18th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
RRS
4eva said all ya gotta do is email an apology to the mod to get the ban lifted.. IDK if JHill is willing to do that but it seems easy enough..
June 18th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
# Dakota Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Kobe is not as great as MJ, but he is on the same block…Kobe is not the greatest Laker, Magic Johnson is…
Kobe is a more talented player than Magic and a greater scorer, but Magic is the greatest Laker of all time based on his leadership, showmanship and selflessness on the court.
Magic is a greater all around player than MJ. MJ dominated an era when the NBA was a water-down league with little to no competition. Magic went up against the Celtics, 76ers, and Pistons….all of which were much better teams with better players than the Sonics, Jazz, Suns or Blazers by far.
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I agree with this, and while I have not been a Kobe fan since his lst day in the league, I have to admit he is starting to REALLY bring it. All that being said, the best basketball player I’ve ever seen was Abdul-Jabbar.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
And if Abdul-Jabbbar wasn’t the best, Magic Johnson was.
June 18th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
4eva said all ya gotta do is email an apology to the mod to get the ban lifted..
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where is 4eva?
haven’t seen him in a LONG time …
I don’t think Becker is too uptight. Most of the time I’m thankful that he’s here to clean up the place
except when we can’t type words like “br1en” or “sho3s”
June 18th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
AD should make a run at Nick Mangold C – NYJ. This is his last year in his contract & the NYJ’s have too many other “Stars” to appease before they can get to him. He’s a 2 time Pro Bowler & a one-time All Pro consensus winner. Trade NYJ our #2 pick next year and let’s get our O-line solidified. Satele & Morris are NOT the answer.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Does anyone think we still need another RB for the season? Bush and DMAC get hurt every year. I don’t think we have enough depth. Does anyone else agree?
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Rock Cartwright
June 18th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
47. THAT one I agree with.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Rock Cartwright
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Michael Bennett, too…
I’d rather keep 4 RB’s than 9 or 10 LB’s again
June 18th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
That Laker game last night was too stressful with an s-load of money riding on it. I want to thank the refs and Ron Artest for assuring that I won a fistful of cash.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
I want to thank the refs and Ron Artest for assuring that I won a fistful of cash.
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LOL. thats what I’m saying …
hows it going Dogg?
June 18th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Rockstar
Not bad at all, ready for a packed Fathers Day weekend.
How you living on this Friday afternoon?
June 18th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
How did the refs help the Lakers last night? By not calling the obvious travel on Rondo late in the game?
June 18th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Which one of you cowards is afraid to pop up with your alias 3 Minute Lyle and take your medicine?
June 18th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Albert Haynesworth is the reincarnation of Darrel Russel. A guy who knows how to talk, and sounds smart. But, in reality, is a gigantic dumbass with zero character.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Dakota
There is an entirely different ball game going on when you have no heart invested in either team. Although I was rooting for the Lakers cuz of a bet, I noticed they were getting some breaks, more so it seemed than the Celtics. For the first time in my life I was on the good side of the breaks and, I have to admit, it felt really good.
Congrats on the Ring homie, enjoy it while you can cuz the Warriors are going to DESTROY fools now that they have a new logo!
June 18th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
the lakers helped themselves to a Championship!!!!
June 18th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Not bad at all, ready for a packed Fathers Day weekend.
How you living on this Friday afternoon?
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Dogg: same man, same
booked all weekend. wanted to relax, but it ain’t happening
wanted to get some stuff done at home. mow, clean out the pool, stain the deck – no time
June 18th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
The Rap Is A Joke dudes from East Bay Sick squashed the beef with Dirt Nasty and Andy Milonakis long enough to do a track together. Y’all ain’t ready for this, not for the easily offended:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT-NWtS4AHc
June 18th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
JaMarcus Russell could be joining the UFL
Posted by Mike Florio on June 18, 2010 8:38 AM ET
Last month, Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reported that former Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell won’t be playing in the AFL or the CFL.
In the end, Russell could be landing in the UFL.
A source with knowledge of the situation tells us that the expansion Omaha Nighthawks could be signing Russell, who would team up with running back Ahman Green in the team’s backfield.
There’s still a long way to go before Russell would actually join the team, the internal discussions have begun, and they will continue.
He’d become the second former first-round NFL quarterback to join the five-team league for 2010. Recently, Daunte Culpepper agreed to terms with the Sacramento Mountain Lions.
Russell presumably is holding out hope for an NFL job. But he ultimately needs to ask himself whether it makes more sense to hold a clipboard on game days — or actually get live reps against guys who are good but not great football players.
Or maybe he just wants the steaks
June 18th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
only thing I can think of might me his stance on Kobe Bryant and the Colorado “incident”
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Yeah that was it.
I scrolled back up and it was awaiting moderation.
J Hill hasn’t been able to post ever since.
J Hill doesn’t know how to email the mod and get him to see the error of his ways.
8D
June 18th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Rockstar
I feel you bro, I’ve got family in the East Bay all day tomorrow including a East Bay Sick set at a Festival in Danville called California Dreamin, then Sunday I am taking my kid to see Toy Story 3 followed by family all day then dinner at Johhny Garlics. I took Monday off so I can chill when everyone else is outta the house.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Kevin Mawae rips Albert Haynesworth
In case you haven’t heard enough people ripping Albert Haynesworth, let’s listen briefly to Kevin Mawae, who’s not only the NFL Players Association president but also was Haynesworth’s teammate in Tennessee from 2006 to 2008.
Mawae, currently a free agent, appeared on Sirius radio with Bryan McGovern and Gil Brandt Thursday night and didn’t hold back.
“You talk about someone putting a mask on and going in backwards to get his paycheck,” Mawae said. “I mean, if you don’t want to be there, don’t take the $21 million contract. How things turned out, it’s no surprise to guys that have played with him in Tennessee. You know, what do you say?
“I mean, you’re getting paid a ton of money to play less and you’re complaining about it,” he continued. “At the end of the day, it’s one thing to be a football player and get paid lots of money, but there’s a whole lot more to be said about being a man. You know, he’s a [inaudible] player when he wants to be and he can be one of the best in the league and I’ve said that to him in his face before. But to this point he doesn’t want to do it on a consistent basis.”
“At some point in time in the game, you know, you got to do what’s right for yourself and what’s right for you and your family. I think $32 million guaranteed in one year pretty much takes care of those issues. I think the other issues go beyond the football field.”
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This article is for those of you who still want Haynesworth (AKA another Meangelo hall)
June 18th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
I want to thank the refs
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In a game where they clearly let everyone play, I can’t see how that helped the Lakers.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Dogg,
There were questionable calls both ways throughout the series…very poor officiating.
That new logo might be the missing ingredient for the Ws though fo sho.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Mawae is babbling …
The only issue is Haynesworth not wanting to play in the 3-4 defense which was made clear during his FA trips.
Amazing that FORMER Tenn players are still bitter that a FREE AGENT chose to go elsewhere, lol!
June 18th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
wanted to get some stuff done at home. mow, clean out the pool, stain the deck – no time
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Run down to the local Homey Depot and pick up some $10/hr labor.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
jwiggle Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Mawae is babbling …
The only issue is Haynesworth not wanting to play in the 3-4 defense which was made clear during his FA trips.
Amazing that FORMER Tenn players are still bitter that a FREE AGENT chose to go elsewhere, lol!
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If you truly believe that is Haynesworth’s only issue I don’t know what to tell you. (well I kind of do)
June 18th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Come on guys, the numbers tell the whole story. The Lakers shot 37 free throws to the Celtics 17. That’s more than double the fouls shots yet the officiating wasn’t questionable? Some of you Laker fans need to remove your championship colored lenses long enough to look at REAL STATS instead of basing your opinion on your heart.
You guys won, with a little help from your friends. It helped me get paid but I am not going to deny what I saw with my own OBJECTIVE eyes, not blinded by any loyalty to either team.
The ONLY cool Laker fan that I know is Dakota and he deserves this ring. All the rest of you are just trippin hahahahaha
June 18th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Dakota Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Dogg,
There were questionable calls both ways throughout the series…very poor officiating.
That new logo might be the missing ingredient for the Ws though fo sho.”
Speaking of questionable calls, did you see the USA get screwed today on that 3rd goal? I have never been so pissed off at a soccer game in my life.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
If you truly believe that is Haynesworth’s only issue
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Ok …
Go ahead and enlighted us as to what Haynesworth’s other issues are that have him holding out of camp?
And then tell me why they are so reluctant to trade him?
June 18th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Dogg, as a studied NBA fan as yourself knows full well, when a team attacks the basket they get more foul calls. The Lakers attacked the basket last night while the Celtics settled for jump shots…that has little or nothing to do with the refs.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
The ONLY cool Laker fan that I know is Dakota
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Ouch!
Stats ????
Lakers shot more FTs because they were the aggresors in the paint. Wallace, KG, and Allen did nothing but shoot jump shots. Rondo was not going to the hole. Pierce was constantly on the line because he was the only one going to the rack.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Come on guys, the numbers tell the whole story. The Lakers shot 37 free throws to the Celtics 17. That’s more than double the fouls shots yet the officiating wasn’t questionable? Some of you Laker fans need to remove your championship colored lenses long enough to look at REAL STATS instead of basing your opinion on your heart.
You guys won, with a little help from your friends. It helped me get paid but I am not going to deny what I saw with my own OBJECTIVE eyes, not blinded by any loyalty to either team.
The ONLY cool Laker fan that I know is Dakota and he deserves this ring. All the rest of you are just trippin hahahahaha
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Dogg: I am a Celtic fan from Ma, and I have to say there were games I would blame the officals and last night wasn’t one of them. It pains me to say it but it’s the truth. 90% of the fouls were legit. One major foul missed at a crucial time was when Gasol travled and it wasn’t called. Anyways I was hoping for one more ring for my boys but I think this is the last year you see this group together. (minus Rivers and Allen probaly) It was a hard fought game.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Dakota
The reason the Lakers won last night is because of rebounds, offensive rebounds to be exact. They dominated both sides because the Celtics have no big man worth a crap.
I am winking at you cuz you know I am just stirring the pot with that refs comment
June 18th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Lakers need to trade Mbenga and Powell to the Griz for Marc Gasol.
Yeah baby!
June 18th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Oakglenn,
Why are you keeping your 3 Minute Lyle persona under wraps today?
June 18th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
jwiggle Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
If you truly believe that is Haynesworth’s only issue
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Ok …
Go ahead and enlighted us as to what Haynesworth’s other issues are that have him holding out of camp?
And then tell me why they are so reluctant to trade him?
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I am not a know at all by any means. I just believe he is a selfish headcase that was looking for a payday. Does he have skills? sure he does and so does Randy Moss. You see my point?
They aren’t reluctant to trade him, the fact is his trade value deminishes daily. Most teams are aware he will probaly get released and if they really want him they can have him without giving up anything IMO
June 18th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
this is Kobe’s new theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT-NWtS4AHc
ok that is all the sh1t talking from me today.
Laker fans – I only mess with you cuz I like you, or at least some of you
June 18th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
One major foul missed at a crucial time was when Gasol travled and it wasn’t called.
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Pierce blocked his shot, actually should have been a jump ball.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
MJ dominated an era when the NBA was a water-down league with little to no competition. Magic went up against the Celtics, 76ers, and Pistons….all of which were much better teams with better players than the Sonics, Jazz, Suns or Blazers by far.
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Dakota you’ve obviously forgotten when MJ torched Bird and the Celtics in the playoffs for 63 points, which prompted Larry Bird to refer to Michael as “God in basketball shoes.”
MJ is a Bentley Continental GT. Kobe is a Chrysler 300E. From a distance they look similar, but when you look closely, they’re not even close to being the same. Dakota you should know better.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
In terms of the Tom Cable disgust level, it now reads like this:
#1. Celtics Fan
#2. Addmitted Wife Beater
#3. Horrible Offensive Coordinator
#4. Loser Head Coach (20-54 seriously!)
June 18th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Kevin Mawae rips Albert Haynesworth
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safe to say the Raiders will only target 1 of these players (if any)
June 18th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Just for clarification…
The comment I referenced in my post #82 was made by Dakota of course.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
I thought the officials were on point until about the last 4 minutes of the game.
The Pau shot was a travel, or at worst a jumpball. His feet were clearly on the ground prior to the shot.
Than there was two 50/50 charge/block calls I thought that both went the Lakers way. The Kobe one that was ‘Sheeds’ 6th foul, and the block on PP by Gasol when he was hurrying it over the halfcourt line to avoid an 8 second call.
Either way, Celtics get a couple more boards and make a couple more shots and it doesn’t matter. Plus, that’s what home-court is for, you are going to get those calls at home.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Haynesworth getting released ????
I can’t see that happening.
As for looking him looking for a payday, he was a free agent who was the best DT on the market. A LOT of teams wanted him, including Tenn. Washington set a record for $ paid when they signed him. That’s not his fault, is it?
I’d like to know an instance of when he hasn’t showed up for a game? Hasn’t been dominant? Other than when he was injured, of course.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
A big and early Happy Father’s Day to all of you dads out there handling your business. Good work.
And I’m out…
June 18th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Legacy510 Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
MJ dominated an era when the NBA was a water-down league with little to no competition. Magic went up against the Celtics, 76ers, and Pistons….all of which were much better teams with better players than the Sonics, Jazz, Suns or Blazers by far.
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Dakota you’ve obviously forgotten when MJ torched Bird and the Celtics in the playoffs for 63 points, which prompted Larry Bird to refer to Michael as “God in basketball shoes.”
MJ is a Bentley Continental GT. Kobe is a Chrysler 300E. From a distance they look similar, but when you look closely, they’re not even close to being the same. Dakota you should know better.
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Lol, who one that series? Larry had a tendancy to compliment his competitors. MJ never sniffed the championship until the Lakers, Celtics and Pistons got old and injured. That is a fact. You should know better. MJ had to go through who in the east? The Knicks lol
June 18th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Pistol Pete makes them all look like boots.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Snooki” from Jersey Shore says cable will be coach of the year.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Who WON that series…
June 18th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Didn’t the Bulls lose the game when Jordan scored 63?
Interesting stat they said at halftime yesterday. MJ shot over 50% for the entire playoffs 4 times or something like that, Kobe has never done it.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
jwiggle Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Haynesworth getting released ????
I can’t see that happening.
As for looking him looking for a payday, he was a free agent who was the best DT on the market. A LOT of teams wanted him, including Tenn. Washington set a record for $ paid when they signed him. That’s not his fault, is it?
I’d like to know an instance of when he hasn’t showed up for a game? Hasn’t been dominant? Other than when he was injured, of course
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If you are on this weekend we can continue this-gotta run
June 18th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
MJ is a Bentley Continental GT. Kobe is a Chrysler 300E.
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Kobe is going to end his career as the all time leading scorer even though his early years were wasted holding up Shaq O Neal.
All time leading scorer, 6-8 rings, better jumper, more versatile defender, better handle, and he’s a 300E????
You do remember Jordan missing 20 shots in the utah game and then getting away with pushing Russell to end that last finals game, right?
June 18th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Tiger told me snooki has herpes and a bucketgina
June 18th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
I thought the officials were on point until about the last 4 minutes of the game.
The Pau shot was a travel, or at worst a jumpball. His feet were clearly on the ground prior to the shot. (might have a point there, but just moments later the Refs made it up by not calling the clear Rondo travel)
Than there was two 50/50 charge/block calls I thought that both went the Lakers way. The Kobe one that was ‘Sheeds’ 6th foul, (Yeah right, I have heard that sometimes the hand is part of the ball, but I have never heard that the forearm is part of the ball, he CLEARLY hacked Kobe’s forearm)and the block on PP by Gasol when he was hurrying it over the halfcourt line to avoid an 8 second call (PP was clearly not set….that means it is a blocking foul).
June 18th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Dakota,
The point being, they were all very close calls, and they ALL went in favor of the Lakers.
But I do say, you win the most games in the regular season, you should get something, and the prize is game 7 at home, with the well-known bias that NBA refs always have for the home team.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Bottom line is the Cs lost because Garnett and Wallace were gassed about halfway through the 3rd qtr. That is why they were fouling so much to end the game. You could clearly see them sucking eggs. Surprised Garnett didn’t throw up on the court.
June 18th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
As for looking him looking for a payday, he was a free agent who was the best DT on the market. A LOT of teams wanted him, including Tenn. Washington set a record for $ paid when they signed him. That’s not his fault, is it?
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Agreed 100 percent. Fat Albert probably could have signed with a number of teams for big money
if that team didn’t switch to a 3-4 defense, there wouldn’t be an issue right now …
a switch from 4-3 to 3-4 or vice versa can ruin a players career, or at least season. Remember what Sapp looked like as a 3-4 DE? a huge waste of money. If we stayed with the 3-4 defense we would have ended up cutting him imo or watching him struggle game in & game out
Albert wants to be a Pro Bowler. a dominant force inside and difference maker. who can blame him? thats what Snyder promised him (so we’re told) 1 year into it a new system is put into place and he’s asked to do somethign he’s never done before and theres a chance that could make him look like a bad player on the field and show up in his next contract (if there is one)
rather get a bad wrap as a selfish player than stink it up on the field imo. look at Brandon Marshall
June 18th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
HAPPY FATHERS DAY! to all the dads in Raider Nation
have a great/safe weekend
June 18th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Snooki = fake Italian
Thanks MTV!!!
June 18th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Sheed was in the circle on that 6th foul, suffering from back spasm, and exhausted. He left it all out there and was ready to hit the bench.
Pierce was reaching for that call and was never going to get it on the road.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
The Raiders should have a contest where a different winner each week gets to be the person who slaps Henderson.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
The things the refs allowed the Celtics to get away with in the 2008 finals against the Lakers are illegal in all 50 states.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
MJ dominated an era when the NBA was a water-down league with little to no competition. Magic went up against the Celtics, 76ers, and Pistons….all of which were much better teams with better players than the Sonics, Jazz, Suns or Blazers by far.
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Dakota I’m debunking your comment that MJ DIDN’T “Dominate” any quality opposition. That he didn’t dominate against Bird and the Celtics. That was your comment. Not who won a series. And I just clearly defused your earlier statement.
I think getting Bird to refer to you as God sounds like a dominant performance to me. Respectfully,you are owned, Dakota.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
You have standup and well-respected guys like Darnell Dockett, Kevin Mawae and London Fletcher burying Haynesworth.
The only one standing up for him, Meangelo Hall, lol.
Case closed. He is a roach.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
I’d like to know an instance of when he hasn’t showed up for a game? Hasn’t been dominant? Other than when he was injured, of course.
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The 2009 NFL season.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
jwiggle,
You sound like someone who just started watching basketball last month. Put Jordan in his prime in the league today and Kobe will look like Clyde Drexler in comparison.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
You know …
Top Ramen doesn’t get it’s due recognition in the culinary world.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Further Dakota,
MJ and Magic are the two greatest complete basketball players ever.
But Magic came into the league with a dominant big man, Kareem. Kobe came into the league with a dominant big man, Shaq. Now he has another in Gasol.
MJ had Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Will Perdue. Nuff said. Not even close.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
And the Redskins D got worse with Haynesworth on there team.
That is a fact.
2008: 4th total D, 288 ypg, 18.5 points p/g, 8th against the rush @ 95 yards a game
2009: 10th total D, 319 ypg, 21 points p/g, 16th against the rush @ 112.4 yards a game.
All the while, the Skins offense was BETTER in 2009.
Can we put this to rest now?
June 18th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Put Jordan in his prime in the league today and Kobe will look like Clyde Drexler in comparison.
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I guess you like the dunk, huh?
Kobe just won a ring with a bad knee and 2 bad finger on his shooting hand. A bit more difficult than playing with the flu.
6-8 rings
all time leading scorer
June 18th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Who would have thought that Adam Morrison would have two more championship rings than LeBron James…
Was Walt Coleman the referee at the USA kickball game today?
Cable will probably just let the team order off the $1 menu at Mickey D’s…..
June 18th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Kobe is still 12,000+ points behind Kareem.
That means he has to average 22 ppg while playing 82 games a year, for 7 more years.
No chance in hell.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
MJ had Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Will Perdue.
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The part you leave out is there was not a single “big man” that Jordan had to go through to win a ring.
He had PLENTY of post defensive help with Oakley, Ho Grant, Cartwright, Rodman, etc. setting picks and playing that tough physical interior defense
Not to mention Scottie Pippen making sure Jordan didn’t have to ever guard anyone.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Haynesworth got 3 million per sack last year. He’s JaHaynesworth.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
No chance in hell.
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LOL!
You really think Kobe will not be 43 and playing in the NBA?
And Kobe will average 28-30 the next 3 years and 25 plus the 3 years after that.. MINIMUM!
June 18th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Haynesworth got 3 million per sack last year.
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How much did he get per effective double team he drew allowing someone else to make a play?
June 18th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Its one thing to worship the Oakland Raiders
But you laker fans are just sick
June 18th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Kobe has not shot 50% for a season yet, let alone an entire playoffs. Plus, Jordan played in the final years of the ‘handcheck’ era. Don’t get me wrong, Kobe enjoys playing physical, but no way would he be as efficient if people can guard him the way players used to be able to guard in the beginning of his career at this age. And if Jordan got to play in today’s post handcheck era, or with today’s rules, he might have shot over 50% every season. Gimme Mike anyday.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Legacy510 Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Further Dakota,
MJ and Magic are the two greatest complete basketball players ever.
But Magic came into the league with a dominant big man, Kareem. Kobe came into the league with a dominant big man, Shaq. Now he has another in Gasol.
MJ had Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Will Perdue. Nuff said. Not even close.
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First your dominate argument….um, most people equate dominating with winning lol. By scoring 63 in a game and losing Jordan only dominated the box score.
Secondly, why are you arguing Kobe and MJ with me, I already said I think MJ is a better player than Kobe.
Thirdly, Magic did benefit from a good Jabbar early on, but by the mid 80s Jabbar was not a dominating presence, while MJ had a top 50 player in his prime in Pippen the entire time he played in the 1990s. Magic going to 9 finals and winning 5 against the competition he faced is so much more impressive than MJ dominating Shawn Kemp and Clyde Drexler, and the one trick pony Utah Jazz. Magic took down Dr J in his prime, Isaiah Thomas in his prime, Larry Bird and the rest of the Celtics….not even close.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
J,
Jordan won NBA defensive player of the year, Kobe never has, and Jordan was never torched in the finals like Kobe was by PP in 2008.
And I don’t see Kobe playing 75+ games a year ever again. The miles are adding up, and since he came out from HS, he will start his decline at a younger age than Jordan did.
And he hasn’t scored 28 points a game in 3 years, and only 5 of his 14 years in the league. You think he will just start it up again? Not likely.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Mike shot a higher percentage because he was more atheltic and physical = more layups and shots closer to the rim.
I hated Jordan when he was playing. Loved the highlights, but couldn’t stand the ball hogging. Same things a lot of people say about Kobe now, and I agree. If Kobe didn’t play for the Lakers, I probably wouldn’t have much positive to say about the guy. I don’t like how he’s clearly trying to be Jordan, or the man instead of letting it all come to him.
But I’m glad he’s on our team, lol!
June 18th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Kobe guards fast point guards (rondo) and big 3’s (lebron), Jordan couldn’t do that he also has a better long range game however Jordan had a better post game and was a better finisher at the basket and I can’t imagine Jordan ever having such a horrific game 7 for all the marbles
June 18th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Kobe has been in the top 10 in turnovers in the league 7 times, Jordan only twice.
Kobe already has more turnovers than Jordan and has played in less games.
I don’t see one area where Kobe has a statistical advantage over Jordan.
And the rings thing? Jordan tossed away at least one more by going to go wiff at changeups.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
How much did he get per effective double team he drew allowing someone else to make a play?
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Ahh, the Tommy Kelly argument. Your question has been answered (see # 112) It doesn’t matter, because if the Raiders are truly serious about cleaning up their culture, they’re not even going to consider this jerkoff. No matter how cheap he comes.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Thirdly, Magic did benefit from a good Jabbar early on, but by the mid 80s Jabbar was not a dominating presence, while MJ had a top 50 player in his prime in Pippen the entire time he played in the 1990s. Magic going to 9 finals and winning 5 against the competition he faced is so much more impressive than MJ dominating Shawn Kemp and Clyde Drexler, and the one trick pony Utah Jazz. Magic took down Dr J in his prime, Isaiah Thomas in his prime, Larry Bird and the rest of the Celtics….not even close.
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Are u sure u think MJ is better than Kobe?
June 18th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
The part you leave out is there was not a single “big man” that Jordan had to go through to win a ring.
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Jwiggle your facts are way skewed.
Kobe went through a Kendrick Perkins-less Celtics team and got pushed to the brink in a game 7.
Jordan dominated an era of Big Men who make today’s big men look pathetic.
Dave Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hekeem Olajuwon, Shaq. You forget the year the Bulls went 72-10. That means Jordan dominated the league with all of those dominant centers in the league, including Shaq in his prime. And not one of them could stop him.
You have to win playoff series to get to the Finals, and Michael obviously went through teams with much better big men than Kendrick Perkins to get his 6 championship rings.
Some of the comments that some of you make in here prove that you just started watching basketball last week.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Thats because Jordan never let any Finals games go to game 7. Let Jordan play in the post handcheck era, and his numbers would have been even more ridiculous. Kobe has earned his way into the conversation (obviously, since everyone is talking about this right now), but he’s still 2nd on the totem pole.
Kobe’s fake personality is sickening too. Last night was the first time the guy was honest with himself his whole career. He’s always tried hard to be liked instead of just being himself. Saying he “had one more than Shaq, and that you can take that to the bank” is the true Kobe. He is a vengeful, me first, well skilled basketball assassin. I wish he was this entertaining his whole career with quotes like that instead of faking the funk for 14 years. He always acted like his only motivation is winning, but just like Mike, he’s motivated by a lot of petty stuff and just wants to shut people up. But he never coordinated himself that way, and was a baby about it. Now, maybe we’ll get to see last night’s Kobe more. I think he’s like “F it, I’m about to retire in 4 or 5 years, so I might as well start being me”.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Kobe has not shot 50% for a season yet, let alone an entire playoffs. Plus, Jordan played in the final years of the ‘handcheck’ era. Don’t get me wrong, Kobe enjoys playing physical, but no way would he be as efficient if people can guard him the way players used to be able to guard in the beginning of his career at this age. And if Jordan got to play in today’s post handcheck era, or with today’s rules, he might have shot over 50% every season. Gimme Mike anyday.
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In all fairness Jordan never had to face a zone defense. Teams would have crowded Jordan’s side with defenders and cut off the lane forcing him to shoot way more from the outside than he ever had to against man defenses…Jordan would still have gotten the job done somehow, but his shooting percentages would have been affected.
Also, the degree of difficulty Kobe often has on his shots brings hios shooting percentage down, but Kobe made shots that Jordan couldn’t dream of making. That being said, I still take Jordan over Kobe, but not by as much as the Jordan sycophants would like.
If my team is down by 5 with one minute left I and most GMs would pick Kobe over Jordan in a heartbeat…but overall Jordan was better. Take away Kobe’s baggage and that might be a different story, but you can’t discount the Colorado issue, the trade demands (though it spurred the Lakers to pick up Pau) and the spat with Shaq.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
JFB,
Kobe avg 27 pts a game this year with a broken finger and a bum knee. Like he said last night, he’s not slowing down, he was injured. I think he will avg more than 27 the next 2 years while playing healthy, and at least 25 the next 7 years. AT LEAST! Ball hog that he is?
2009 season avg of 27 pts a game was when he initally hurt that shooting hand and played with the injury.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kobe avg 30 next year.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Are you Lakers fans going to get Ron’s new single, lol??
He was asking you guys about 45 seconds after the clock hit zeroes.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kobe avg 30 next year.
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Being that he has only done that twice in his career, and not in 5 years, you should be.
Kobe averaging 30 ppg, means less wins during the year.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Dakota,
I’m just debating comments that I find to be false because I personally watched every single playoff basketball game from the 1980 to the present. And I’m only 33.
And some of the comments I see on this discussion are just incredulous to me.
“MJ never was dominant against Bird and the Celtics.”
“MJ never went through a dominant big man to win a championship.”
Like if Shaq, Olajuwon, and Robinson were all scrubs. But none of then could stop Jordan.
Meanwhile Kobe comes into the league and is giftwrapped Shaq and Gasol in their primes, and everyone wants to perform fellatio on Kobe. It just makes no sense.
I don’t mind a good debate, but at least put forward some actual facts, not just uncorroborated, fallacious, comments to try and prove a point.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Dave Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hekeem Olajuwon, Shaq.
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Talk about skewing …
I don’t recall Jordan playing Shaq, Olajuwon, or Robinson in the playoffs.
And Patrick Ewing was a power forward. Easily handled by Ho Grant and Cartwright and relegated to shooting jumpers.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Of course it turns out that MJ is just as much of a POS human as is Kobe, but because Jordan had the cover of the NBA, Nike, McDonalds and all the other sponsors and played back when the sports media was much smaller and not a bunch of TMZers Jordan’s selfish personality, womanizing and gambling problems were suppressed.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
2009: 10th total D, 319 ypg, 21 points p/g, 16th against the rush @ 112.4 yards a game.
All the while, the Skins offense was BETTER in 2009.
Can we put this to rest now?
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The other 10 guys didn’t do their jobs. Full year of Meangelo didn’t help either.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
gasol wasn’t setting the world on fire in Memphis, Kobe and Phil deserve some credit for how much better he looks now. Jordans the best I’ve seen, Magic is better than Kobe because he coulda played that game last night and been more effective being used to those wars but people should recognize his greatness
June 18th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
People always say zone defense, but it really isn’t zone defense if you can’t stay in the paint for longer than 3 seconds without being near your man because of a defensive three. Mike would have still dominated. Whereas, the ability to handcheck while guarding totally changes the physicality of the game. That’s why today’s point guards who are athletically supreme just thrive and thrive. No one can stay in front of ‘em without being allowed to put a hand on ‘em.
Also, Kobe has been making difficult shots his whole career. I’ll give him that. But he takes difficult shots way too often too. Like the one he took last night on the baseline when he hit the side of the backboard after Paul came to double team him with Ray already on him. Mike isn’t even going to take a lot of those shots. Most of Mike’s shots were good shots because he created good space for his shots and still played within the offense. His shots hardly seemed outside of the flow of the game, whereas when it’s Kobe time, everyone knows it.
Don’t get me wrong; Kobe is the man, but his teams have been filled with either multiple all stars or allstars and fellow Olympians. All Mike had was an overrated Scottie Pippen and bunch of decent role players (no legit big man – Horace Grant was a good 4 at best, but not great).
June 18th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
And some of the comments I see on this discussion are just incredulous to me.
“MJ never was dominant against Bird and the Celtics.”
“MJ never went through a dominant big man to win a championship.”
Like if Shaq, Olajuwon, and Robinson were all scrubs. But none of then could stop Jordan.
Meanwhile Kobe comes into the league and is giftwrapped Shaq and Gasol in their primes, and everyone wants to perform fellatio on Kobe. It just makes no sense.
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LOL!
Kobe came in the league and sat on the bench behind Eddie Jones.
Gasol in his prime? You mean that soft Euro everyone was talking about? The Euro from Memphis who couldn’t get out of the first rd?
And I’m still waiting for the playoff games Jordan played those Bigs you’re referencing.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Legacy510,
I guess your definition of dominate is just wrong. To dominate: “To exert a supreme, guiding influence on or over.” If dominate was defined as great effort with little effect, then you might say Jordan dominated the Celtics when he scored 63 on them. But when you lose a game and a series I don’t think you can use the word dominate as it is defined.
June 18th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
# jwiggle Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
I don’t recall Jordan playing Shaq, Olajuwon, or Robinson in the playoffs.
And Patrick Ewing was a power forward.
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Patrick Ewing was Power Forward.rotflmao. Now I know you’re a 13 year old on his mommy’s laptop.lol
Patrick Ewing was a 7′1 240lb center. Did he ever play the power forward position? Of course! Just like Magic played Center one time, but that doesn’t change the fact that Magic was a point guard.
And next, no,Jordan didn’t play against Shaq, Olajuwon, or Robinson in the playoffs, but in order to get to the playoffs you have to win your regular season games first. And judging by the Bulls 72-10 record in 95-96 I think it’s safe to say that Jordan played against and dominated every single big man in the league that year, while he had Luc Longley, and Bill Wennington as his center. Case closed
June 18th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Kobe’s fake personality is sickening too. Last night was the first time the guy was honest with himself his whole career.
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I totally agree with that entire post.
I respect his game, but he is clearly a grade A arsswipe.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Speaking of Celtic honks, where in the hell is Bri3n?
June 18th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Now I know you’re a 13 year old on his mommy’s laptop.lol
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Uh Haaaaaaa Ha
Haaaaaawn
June 18th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Patrick Ewing was Power Forward.rotflmao. Now I know you’re a 13 year old on his mommy’s laptop.lol
Patrick Ewing was a 7′1 240lb center. Did he ever play the power forward position? Of course!
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when you got up off the floor, you admit that the guy played power foward …
ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!
ANYONE who saw Patricia Ewing play knows he was the original Kevin Garnett. A 7 foot jump shooter. Post move = 10 ft fall away jumper.
Ewing is NEVER in the great big men discussion, even amongst, especially amongst NY fans.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Dakota,
Lebron had never won a championship, but it is clear that during the regular season he was the most individually dominant player in the league.
Basketball is a TEAM sport, so when these debates come up, one must separate a players individual performance, from their TEAM accomplishments. Are we debating the Chicago Bulls vs the LA Lakers, or Michael Jordan vs various players in the league?
Pistol Pete was individually one of the top 5 greatest offensive players EVER in the league, but he wasn’t a champion.
So yes the Bulls lost the series to the Celtics, but that wasn’t the debate. Michael Jordan, as an individual player, DOMINATED Bird and the Celtics. They could not stop him and even reduced Bird to referring to him as “God.”
Pick an argument and stick to it. It’s all love though Dakota. I actually enjoy friendly, intelligent debates. It’s all good.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
But when you lose a game and a series I don’t think you can use the word dominate as it is defined.
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LOL!
Just like you can’t say that Jordan actually went through someone if he didn’t actually play them.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder,
I agree Kobe’s shot selection is often questionable, but when he makes so many of them you kind of sit back and get used to it, lol, but you are right, he should take better shots…but then Kobe’s numbers would put Jordan to shame and Kobe has too much respect for his elders to do that.
But you argument about Jordan not having as much talent is rediculous. Jordan never had a Shaq, but he did have Pippen, Kucrotch, Grant, Harper, Rodman, and a cast of sharp shooters that Kobe only had once in Glenn Rice…if the teams Jordan played with had no talent why did they go to Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals without him the year after he retired?
June 18th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
# jwiggle Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
LOL!
Just like you can’t say that Jordan actually went through someone if he didn’t actually play them.
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Jwiggle,
Please demonstrate some logic.
No,Jordan didn’t play against Shaq, Olajuwon, or Robinson in the playoffs, but in order to get to the playoffs you have to win your regular season games first. And judging by the Bulls 72-10 record in 95-96 I think it’s safe to say that Jordan played against and dominated every single big man in the league that year, while he had Luc Longley, and Bill Wennington as his center. Case closed.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Please demonstrate some logic.
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What does that mean?
Saying something you agree with?
Cased closed????
LMFAO!
June 18th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Jwiggle,
You need to wiggle yourself out of this conversation because you obviously have no credulity to add to this topic. Your overall basketball knowledge is nonexistent.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
The 72-10 season was a joke…the NBA just expanded with the Grizz and the Raptors…which meant even less competition for Jordan to deal with. The central division was a complete joke that year.
Jordan didn’t dominate the NBA until the NBA added 6 expansion teams robbing 42 or so decent players from the rosters of the rest of the NBA and he also had to wait until Magic, Bird and Thomas were at the end of their careers to get his first ring. Magic had to deal with the Sixers, Celtics, Pistons and others great teams while Jordan filled an era with a talent black hole.
And back to the 72-10 Bulls, we all know the 2001 Lakers would have destroyed that Bulls team and any other Bulls team…Phil Jackson even said as much last night.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Gotta run….GOOO LAKERS!
Back to the Raiders next week…well, maybe not since NBA free agency is around the corner….
June 18th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Kukoc, Grant, Harper, and all those sharp shooters were all interchangeable pieces on the roster. Yea, they balled and played their role, but whether it’s Craig Hodges, Armstrong, Kerr, or Paxson, all those players were just guards who could hit an open shot and could be replaced. Grant was nothing more than Udonis Haslem. A big man with a lot of heart who wasn’t afraid of the moment, who could grab a ton of boards. Kukoc was nice, but he’ll never be a hall of famer, neither will anyone other than Pippen and Rodman (whom Mike didn’t get the benefit of in his glory years). Mike made all of them look good though. In fact, made all of them better.
Kobe has had tons of folks come thru there. Being he’s an A-type personality mixed with a little bit of the d!ckhe@d syndrome, he’s run off every other A-type personality, until he surrounded himself with legit B-type personality players. Everyone on this roster kisses up to Kobe and is scared to even tell him anything other than Fisher. The fact that he has to be the only A-type dude on the roster is already a detriment, but the fact he ran all the vets and other A’s outta there shows even more. From Payton to Fox to Malone to Shaq to Van Exel to Ariza to Horry to whoever…..No one wanted to play with that kid for real, and I’m sure they all can’t stand him off the court. Kobe has had a huge list of great players to get the job done. Heck, he didn’t even want Bynum there (wanted him shipped out for J. Kidd) and is lucky that he stayed. If it wasn’t for Jerry West trying to hook up his old team by “influencing” Memphis to part with Gasol, Kobe would have never gotten his fourth. He’d still be pouting and going attempt-less like the 2nd half in game 7 against the Suns when he wanted to prove a point and they got blown by 30. Kobe has always had a crew. The times he didn’t is because he ran everyone away. And the only person Kobe truly made better that I’ll give him credit for is Pau Gasol, because he showed him how to be tough and win when it matters.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
NBA totem pole of guys i saw play
Michael
Magic
Kobe, Isaiah, Hakeem, Bird, Shaq
Duncan, Garnett, Malone, Barkley, Nash, Miller
June 18th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Not to mention the NBA moved the 3 point line in to entice MJ back. Nothing like making the game easier for MJ.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
All the personality flaws you mention about Kobe could be said about Michael, Michaels still better just sayin
June 18th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
because you obviously have no credulity to add to this topic. Your overall basketball knowledge is nonexistent.
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This from a guy who trots out 72-10 as the logic for “must’ve dominated those big men” lol!
Ok, I’ll sit back and let Dakota continue to smash you.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Kobe has always had a crew.
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What championship team hasn’t?
June 18th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
C’mon JWigg,
We both know Fox had a couple more left in him, and the reasons all the others left were because they didn’t want to be there so you ask to be traded or let go (or Kobe asks for you to be traded or let go – more likely).
Mike would have never pouted in a big game 7 like Kobe did in 2006 when he gave up on his team to prove a point to the media that his teammates aren’t that good and this is why he doesn’t pass the ball more. That game was close at half and the Lakes wound up getting busted by 30, and Kobe showed his true colors and pretty much started the crying right then and there until it landed him Pau Gasol.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
I’m not arguing that a championship team has lacked a crew, but I bring that up because Mike never had multiple all stars at the same time (call Kukoc and late career Rodman all stars if you want), but all Mike had was Pippen (who I still believe was overrated). Kobe has another Olympian on his team, and Artest and Odom. Thats 4 all stars at one point in time on the same squad. Should have never went to game 7.
Anyhow, I just like playing Devil’s advocate. Kobe is the man. I just hate the effin’ Lakers! Growing up in Louisville KY, my only true Cali allegiance is to the Raiders. Now that I live out here though, I do enjoy watching all the LA teams play. Good debating with ya’ll JWigg and Dakota. It’s quitting time though. Hopefully, we can talk Raiders next time around.
Easy
June 18th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Mike would have never pouted in a big game 7 like Kobe did in 2006
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Kobe’s resume is far from spotless.
I’m not saying Kobe is the better player, but it’s surely a discussion. Kobe is far from done and it’s already a discussion.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Kobe could not lift Petes jock
June 18th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
JWiggles,
You and Dakota both jump around the topics when it suits you and avoid the ones that disprove you. You made an erroneous comment that MJ didnt have to play against top centers to win his championship. I brought up the 72-10 season as ONE example because clearly you dont have that record over the course of a season without playing and defeating the other good teams in the league.
So then you weasel your way back in here with stats from two games against Shaq. But you didn’t mention Olajuwon(who embarrassed Shaq the year before by the way, Robinson, or any other Centers who were way more dominant than any Center on the Celtics roster who the great Kobe defeated to win his titles.
You’re a switch hitter who plays both sides of the fence when it’s convenient for you to prove your silly little, groundless comments.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
(call Kukoc and late career Rodman all stars if you want),
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Well if you want to call Artest and Odom All Stars, and Gasol an “Olympian”, then I can certainly reference Rodman and Kukoc.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
So then you weasel your way back in here with stats from two games against Shaq. But you didn’t mention Olajuwon
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LOL!
Because you said you didn’t want to talk to me about it anymore, so I said I’d sit back and watch Dakota continue to smack you around.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
when it’s convenient for you to prove your silly little, groundless comments.
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I love your examples on grown man stuff.
Most of your posts have these type of 9th grade attempts at humor.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Obama/Green in 2012
Double your pleasure
Double your fun
Elect two dumbarses
instead of just one
June 18th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
You made an erroneous comment that MJ didnt have to play against top centers to win his championship. I brought up the 72-10 season as ONE example
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And since you’re back for more …
It was the ONLY example you gave to back up YOUR claim that Jordan “dominated” big men that would make today’s big men look like …
I asked you to tell me which big men Jordan went through to win a ring and you bring up a REGULAR SEASON record?
(Should I insert my 9th grade attempt at humor right about here?)
June 18th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Not that Biden is’nt a dummy but Alvin Green?
What were dems in SC thinking?
June 18th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Sure are a lot of people getting banned/disappearing lately.
June 18th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Or maybe the troll army that resides at the CCT is on vacation
June 18th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Why would we need another running back when we have Nick Miller! Miller returning kicks, Miller catching the bomb and Miller taking handoffs out of the backfield. It’s Miller time!
Seriously, remember last year during the Nick Miller camp hype, he was practicing with some of the running backs taking hand-offs?
June 18th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
I guess nows a good time to watch the movie I bought at the pawnshop with all the money I have been making
No Country For Old Men
June 18th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Bush/Mcfadden = healthy all year = two 1,000 yard rushers
June 18th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Pitiful attempt at a comeback Jwiggles. I mentioned several centers and big men that Jordan dominated. Name the ones Kobe went through to get his ring this year. As much as you disdained Patrick Ewing to try and prove your little point, he was better than any center on the Celtics current roster.
As far as humor, I haven’t been trying to be funny about nothin I’ve said. Your ignorant comments have me laughing and shaking my head, but that’s about it.
Like if Kobe went through such trial and perseverance to get his rings. Pathetic.
Keep switch hitting
June 18th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Like if Kobe went through such trial and perseverance to get his rings. Pathetic.
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You KEEP talking to the “pathetic” “little” guy, lol!
What are you a glutton for punishment or something?
Ignorant comments?
LMFAO!
YOU made the big man point. WTF are you talking about? I never said anything about Kobe going through big men. Are you confused?
And yeah I know you mentioned a bunch of big men. I’m still waiting for you to tell me which one of them Jordan beat in the playoffs.
Patrick Ewing was NOT a dominant big man. He was a JUMP SHOOTER! I’d like to hear ONE other person say that Ewing was a dominant big man.
June 18th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Who should get more credit for the Lakers last 2 rings?
a) Phil Jackson
b) Buss daughter for trapping Phil with her mancatcher
c) The rest of the NBA for being terrible
d) Kobe
June 18th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Kobe would not have those rings without Phil whereas Phil could have gone to Cleveland and Lebron would have two rings
June 18th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
# jwiggle Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:11
Patrick Ewing was NOT a dominant big man. He was a JUMP SHOOTER! I’d like to hear ONE other person say that Ewing was a dominant big man. And Patrick Ewing was a power forward.
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Umm. So I guess Patrick Ewing being named one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History is meaningless. And after you read up on that, maybe I can get you to further read so that you can learn that Patrick Ewing was actually a Center in the NBA. Pathetic.
June 18th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Ooops i thought this was the Raiders blog.
June 18th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
# Raider O Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
LMN,
You thinking “they” had something to do with politics and conspiracies was STUPID.
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fair enough, then explain it to me… why would “they” want one team over another to win? what is the incentive?
June 18th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
How is it that so many posters here declare a great fascination, indeed love, for a bunch of men in shorts running around and throwing a ball at a netted orange hoop suspended on plexiglass and in the next breath disparage as unmanly a bunch of men in shorts trying to kick a ball into a woodframed netting?
I suggest the ancient Mayan ballcourt game as a better test of manliness than either of the aforementioned “men in shorts” contests, as the victor, the man capable of getting the ball through the ring mounted on the wall of the ballcourt was then deemed the most worthy and was put to death as a sacrifice to the gods.
MVP! MVP! MVP!
June 18th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
And after you read up on that, maybe I can get you to further read so that you can learn that Patrick Ewing was actually a Center in the NBA. Pathetic.
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Hey genius, PF = how he plays the game!
Shouldn’t have to dumb it down for you so much.
June 18th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Legacy510 Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Pitiful attempt at a comeback Jwiggles. I mentioned several centers and big men that Jordan dominated. Name the ones Kobe went through to get his ring this year. As much as you disdained Patrick Ewing to try and prove your little point, he was better than any center on the Celtics current roster.
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Kevin Garnett has averaged more rebounds, more assists, and less turnovers than Ewing. He averaged only two less points per game for his career while being named as an MVP, defensive player of the year, and NBA champion, three achievements not in the resume of Ewing.
June 18th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Ooops i thought this was the Raiders blog.
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I for one enjoy open discusion of various subjects regarless of forum and think pigeon holing and compartmentalizing away issues is a mistake but yeah, its a little basket bally in here right nizz ow!
C’mon regular season!!!
June 18th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Ooops i thought this was the Raiders blog.
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I for one enjoy open discusion of various subjects regarless of forum and think pigeon holing and compartmentalizing away issues is a mistake but yeah, its a little basket bally in here right nizz ow!
C’mon regular season!!!
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Looking at Tim Browns career stats one realizes how amazing of a player he was. He is in the top 5 in just about every category as a receiver with terrible QB play and after losing 3 years of his career (1 to injury and 2 being relegated almost exclusively to return duties)
June 18th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
189. Agreed! So sad we couldn’t get him a ring…
June 18th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Barrys son is a punk
REDWOOD CITY, Calif. (AP)
The 20-year-old son of former San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds has pleaded no contest to misdemeanor vandalism and assault charges stemming from a fight with his mother.
Nikolai Bonds entered the plea Thursday as part of a deal with San Mateo County prosecutors. Three additional misdemeanor charges were dropped.
Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe says Bonds was sentenced to four days in jail but given credit for time served.
Authorities say Bonds threw a doorknob at his mother, Sun Bonds, spit in her face and stopped her from leaving through the front door of her Menlo Park home on Dec. 5 after she suggested his friends may have taken jewelry.
Wagstaffe says prosecutors reached a deal because Sun Bonds refused to cooperate in the case.
June 18th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Plunketthead, how you doin? I live in the bay area,thats the first Ive heard of this. If all is true as reported,Barrys son is at the least, a punk. Can think of a few other thing as well. Anyway,a Happy Fathers Day to Dads of the blog!
June 18th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Is this a blog for Basketball or the Raiders? I want to read and talk about The Silver and Black. Maybe all you people with all this basketball knowledge should go to the Warriors site. Just a thought!
June 18th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Pueblo,
Who cares what you want???
June 18th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
back2back and what f’n haters!
June 18th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Nnamdi 21, so what is cable buying u guys 4 dinner?
June 18th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
oh yeah its just your blog name, Nnamdi21, of course u couldn’t be him when your posts’ awhile back were anti-L.A. and the real nnamdi is from L.A. and a laker fan.LOL.
June 18th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Lions lineman Jon Jansen on NFLN Total Access toting the party line about an 18 games season. Righteous props to Rich Eisen for diplomatically calling him out for it too!
“Oh everyones for it if it keeps us from striking.”
No, no they’re not…
18 games might mean bigger rosters, reworking IR and sitting star players for later in the season for “meaningful” games.
Idiotic idea. 16 is enough just drop 2 pre season games.
This BS about an 18 game season is for greedy6 execs who want the advertising dollars and TV revs.
I know its the American way to take something perfectly fine and tweak it and add to it until it no longer works, but back off my football.
June 18th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Br ien was here last night under a couple of different names, strategically attacking the people who were calling him out without revealing too many clues it was him.
June 18th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
(June 18) — Sarah Palin says recreational pot smoking is “relatively speaking a minimal problem” in America.
In an otherwise uneventful appearance on the Fox Business Network with Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, Palin said that while she doesn’t believe marijuana should be legalized, the country has bigger fish to fry.
“I think we need to prioritize our law enforcement efforts,” she said. “If somebody’s gonna smoke a joint in their house and not do anybody any harm, then perhaps there are other things our cops should be looking at to engage in and try to clean up some of the other problems we have in society.”
June 18th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
raideredoutL.A. Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Nnamdi 21, so what is cable buying u guys 4 dinner?
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I’m eating sensibly this off season with a diet including lots of ORGANIC tomatoes (not the ones ripened with ethylene gas) because tomatoes cut down on lactic acid build up in muscles that can cause cramping.
Getting ready for the hot weather!
June 18th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
200. Don’t buy in kidd. She’ll say what ever she thinks her baying morons want to hear and then do what evers best for oil execs and multi national corps just like the rest of the Repubs “rogue” or not.
Government the last decade + hasn’t had the best interests of its people at heart and it shows.
They’re cow towing to massive corporate monopolies to our detriment has to stop.
F the 2 party system!
Vote em all out and start OVER!!!
June 18th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Republicans Joe Barton and Michele Bachmann defend BP on oil spill catastrophe ‘slush fund’
Republican Joe Barton (R-TX) apologized to BP CEO Tony Hayward for being strong-armed into putting 20 billion dollars in an esrow account he called a ‘slush fund’ to help compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.
Barton’s remarks came in the opening statements of Thursdays hearings by the House Energy Committee. He said, “I am ashamed of what happened in the White House yesterday” because a ‘private corporation was subjected to what amounts to a 20 billion dollar shake down.”
Yet Barton is not alone in his open-mouth support of oil giant BP. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) inferred that the oil spill victims escrow account was yet another Obama socialist plot.
Bachmann called the escrow account a “redistribution of wealth fund,” according to TPM.
Barton was quickly reprimanded by House Minority leader John Boehner (R-OH), under threat of being removed from his committee position. Barton’s public apology soon followed with the hope that his remarks would not be ‘misconstrued.’
With or without an appology, the underlying message is clear. These Republicans do not believe that corporations should be held accountable for their actions.
June 19th, 2010 at 12:02 am
Palin’s taking a soft position on pot because she knows it’s only a matter of time before one of her white trash ilk gets busted for it.
June 19th, 2010 at 1:12 am
There was nothing wrong with your third goal yesterday.You were robbed.
June 19th, 2010 at 1:15 am
The Euro teams from this blog (England,Denmark,Spain)are doing crap in the World cup.
Good luck to Denmark tonight.
June 19th, 2010 at 1:16 am
Free Jhill and his peas!!
June 19th, 2010 at 4:00 am
The Euro teams from this blog (England,Denmark,Spain)are doing crap in the World cup.
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Thats true, and sucks when you are waiting for 4 years.
A lot of “favourite” teams failing, add Germany, France and Italy to that list
June 19th, 2010 at 4:35 am
The only reason that Cable made that bet to take them out to dinner is he knew that JaEatyououtofhouseandhome was in Arizona and not a threat to cost him his entire seasons salary for dinner.
June 19th, 2010 at 4:48 am
Hey Neil..
thanks we need the luck, its a very poor World Cup, but as I said many times before the Euro Cup is sports-wise more interesting than the World-cup
June 19th, 2010 at 4:50 am
christ, Van Persie should have got TWO yellow cards against us, and he should have ha a red card in this one..
June 19th, 2010 at 5:38 am
Great write up ..im tearing up
http://tfdssports.com/2010-articles/june/breaking-the-raider-nation-stereotypes.html
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June 19th, 2010 at 5:51 am
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June 19th, 2010 at 6:09 am
Japan deserves better in their game, another keeper-influenced score
June 19th, 2010 at 6:11 am
Milicia, I am watching the game on danish tv, the only game on national tv is the game played at 20:30, today we all be watching Denmark against Etoo’o & Company
June 19th, 2010 at 6:14 am
El Tato..
I certainly dont need Japan t score, if we should have any chance as runner up’s japan must lose and cameroun as well..
that said, I in fact like how Japan plays
June 19th, 2010 at 6:18 am
I certainly dont need Japan t score, if we should have any chance as runner up’s japan must lose and cameroun as well..
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yes, I understand, but score like that just sucks. Too many goalkeepers becoming main figures in their games
June 19th, 2010 at 6:30 am
fat kidd Says:
June 18th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
(June 18) — Sarah Palin says recreational pot smoking is “relatively speaking a minimal problem” in America.
In an otherwise uneventful appearance on the Fox Business Network with Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, Palin said that while she doesn’t believe marijuana should be legalized, the country has bigger fish to fry.
“I think we need to prioritize our law enforcement efforts,” she said. “If somebody’s gonna smoke a joint in their house and not do anybody any harm, then perhaps there are other things our cops should be looking at to engage in and try to clean up some of the other problems we have in society.”
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This may be the only intelligent thing I’ve ever heard this woman say.
Which means somebody probably put her up to it, or as MaddenRaider said, one of her brood is likely to get busted someday and she won’t have to contradict herself later. Kinda like Dick Cheney being handcuffed on the gay issue.
June 19th, 2010 at 6:36 am
El Tato,
yup. I simply dont understand why we have a new ball for each cup, it truly suck, the best football ever used was ‘Select’
btw, just read some interviews and saw some on tv, with Etoo, he apparently have great Respect of Denmark, so maybe we still have chance for the runner up spot…
June 19th, 2010 at 7:22 am
Any of you ideologues ever think that maybe Palin’s belief on the subject is based upon actually being a mother of a bunch of teenagers and probably dealing with the pot-smoking issue inside her own house, and realizing the real non-issue it is?
All these conspiracy theories, yikes!!! What if she doesn’t run for office (very likely) and nobody from her “ilk” gets caught (somewhat likely)?
Than what will you say?
June 19th, 2010 at 7:29 am
Legalize it!!!!!!
Palin is hot!
June 19th, 2010 at 7:29 am
Japan barely missed that goal at the end.
Pretty entertaining last 10 minutes there. I think the reason soccer doesn’t take in the states is that we aren’t emotionally invested in it. We try these leagues, but there is no history of a bitter rival, no stories of players from the past and the like.
I say this, because I have serious World Cup fever!!!
June 19th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Ole!!!! Ole! Ole! Ole!!!!!!!!
Ole!!!!
Ole!!!!!
June 19th, 2010 at 7:37 am
LMN, sorry about the Dutch….Viel gluck Heute. You guys need a win…
USA got hosed yesterday on our 3rd point…the referees have not impressed me so far..
Can’t believe ENgland and Algeria tied….unbelieveable…
June 19th, 2010 at 7:39 am
England is your classic example of the individuals are better than the team.
Don’t know why it is, but to tie the Algerians would be like the Lakers having to go to a game 7 against the Minnesota Timberwolves.
June 19th, 2010 at 7:44 am
My indefference to basketball aside, I catch your drift JFB.
Just Tie Baby!!!!!!
June 19th, 2010 at 7:47 am
I know some in here get mad at the non-football talk at times in here, but seriously, debating the D-line rotation for 4 weeks straight might get a tad stale.
Jerry needs comments to pay the bills and keep getting big names like McDonalds, Levi’s and others to advertise.
So…….soccer it is!!!
June 19th, 2010 at 7:55 am
Humorous to read LMN comment that it is a poor World Cup.
South American teams have not lost any games to date, and those teams, especially os Brasileiros, don’t seem to be having any trouble with jabulani.
June 19th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Let’s go USA!!!
Let’s Go Mexico!!!
Let’s go Italia!!!
Let’s go Argentina!!!
OLE…….Ole…..
June 19th, 2010 at 8:18 am
POTD
Jerry gives us a lot of latitude here and thats a good thing
Just Fire Baby Says:
June 19th, 2010 at 7:47 am
I know some in here get mad at the non-football talk at times in here, but seriously, debating the D-line rotation for 4 weeks straight might get a tad stale.
Jerry needs comments to pay the bills and keep getting big names like McDonalds, Levi’s and others to advertise.
So…….soccer it is!!!
June 19th, 2010 at 8:23 am
This is my third WC and I enjoy the heck out of them, however yesterdays game took some wind out of my sails.
A little too blatent for me, proof that USA will get hosed harder and faster, the closer they get to the finals, which means they wont get close to the final 4
June 19th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Morning Raider Nation! It took me 2 days to recover from the Laker Victory.
Most disliked people in sports
The “top” five:
1. Michael Vick
2. Al Davis
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Tiger Woods
5. Jerry Jones
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-forbesdisliked061810
June 19th, 2010 at 8:29 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgRsVqybLTVRZK2yq0RAUk5DubYF?slug=jc-olinerankings061810
Best Offensive Lines in football:
32. Oakland Raiders: Wow, this is bad. Mario Henderson and Cornell Green shouldn’t be the answers to: “Name the Raiders starting offensive tackles from 2009.” Yikes. It doesn’t get much better in the middle and the sad part is that the Raiders didn’t do much to upgrade the personnel this offseason. Say a prayer for Jason Campbell. He’s going to need it.
June 19th, 2010 at 8:30 am
i have no beef with Tiger the others however do belong on that list, can’t hate a guy for having a crazy wife!
June 19th, 2010 at 8:35 am
live shots equaling recent Raider O-line play (BP as line coordinator)
http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/spill_cam/
June 19th, 2010 at 8:37 am
I’m sure whatever women were polled for that list, Tiger and Ben were 1-2 on just about every one of them.
June 19th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Looks like BP has it under control! LMFAO and mad at the same time.
June 19th, 2010 at 8:47 am
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
June 19th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Morning Raider Nation! It took me 2 days to recover from the Laker Victory.
Most disliked people in sports
The “top” five:
1. Michael Vick
2. Al Davis
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Tiger Woods
5. Jerry Jones
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-forbesdisliked061810
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wouldn’t have it any other way, All hail the king.
June 19th, 2010 at 8:57 am
I doubt any Eagles or Cowboys voted for Vick and Jones.
But I am sure Raiders and some Steelers fans voted for Al and Ben.
June 19th, 2010 at 8:59 am
My list would be:
1-Jamarcus Russell
2-Smellway
3-Kobe
4-Jamarcus Russell
5-A-Fraud
June 19th, 2010 at 9:04 am
of those five people al davis is my least liked person on that list
June 19th, 2010 at 9:05 am
My list would be:
1-Jamarcus Russell
2-Jamarcus Russell
3-Jamarcus Russell
4-Jamarcus Russell
5-Jamarcus Russell
June 19th, 2010 at 9:06 am
6-Jamarcus Russell
7-Jamarcus Russell
8-Jamarcus Russell
9-Jamarcus Russell
10-Jamarcus Russell
June 19th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Going to be a great 30 for 30 next week.
Pablo Escobar and the dude who was offed when he screwed up in the World Cup for Columbia.
Kudos to ESPN for taking on some serious topics.
June 19th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Have a great Father’s Day Raider Nation!
June 19th, 2010 at 9:30 am
# Jonesy941 Says:
June 19th, 2010 at 9:04 am
of those five people al davis is my least liked person on that list
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I’m sure Al Davis is crushed you disapprove of his character.
June 20th, 2010 at 3:24 am
247th YEAH!!!!!!!!
I’m da man!!!
Yes I AM!!!!!!!
thank you thank you thank you i am oficially a STUD!!!!!!!
How many can claim 247th here huh!?!?!?!?!?!
June 20th, 2010 at 3:38 am
248th YEAS!!! I mean i just keep beating you dudes hahahahahahaha
Sorry, but talk about soccer on the Raiders blog makes me crazy.
Get this soccer fans.
your game is FRICKEN FIXED!!!!
We have corruption everywhere, even here in football, TUCK Rule anyone???
but soccer is sooooo obvious it is sickening how many out there rationalize it away…
The USA won that game fair and square… it was one of the greatest comebacks in your games history and it should have been allowed and given back to the USA after the game but thats not gonna happen
so STOP-IT PLEASE>>>
Stop diluting yourselves that its real… the World Cup is an ILLUSION!
You’d have a better chance betting on fantasy football…
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