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Lakers, Asomugha, bowl over Celtics, Cable

A few notes during the lull before the Raiders begin to sign their draft picks and in between filing stories and preparing for the Allan Green-Andre Ward WBA super middleweight title fight Saturday night at Orcale Arena:

– According to EGA Sports, Raiders cornerback and avid Lakers fan Nnamdi Asomugha won a bet with coach and longtime Celtics fan Tom Cable after Los Angeles beat Boston in seven games Thursday night.

As the loser, Cable will treat the entire team to dinner and bowling at some point during training camp.

– Had the Raiders opened their final organized team activity to the public, sentiment among the players probably would have been similar to that of the Jacksonville Jaguars, the latest team to be docked a couple of OTA sessions.

“We’re looking to push the envelope,” safety Sean Considine said. “If you do that, you’re going to come close to breaking those (OTA) rules. If we pushed it too far, then we’re going to suffer the consequences. I don’t think anybody’s worried about who called the (player) union or turned us in.

“Losing those last two OTAs isn’t going to have anything to do with how we do this season. There’s a message behind that (NFL ruling) that you can find a positive out of it.”

Baltimore and Detroit were the other two teams besides Oakland and Jacksonville to lose OTA time.

It’s no coincidence that player complaints appear to be on the rise given the status of negotiations between the union and ownership for a new collective bargaining agreement.

– The Web site “Cold, Hard Football Facts” analyzes the stunning decline of the Raiders passing game since Super Bowl XXXVII.

Their conclusions? Part of JaMarcus Russell’s problems was the organization he played for and that Al Davis has clearly lost his fastball.

– Profootballtalk.com is reporting Russell could end up in the UFL with the new Omaha franchise. And then later reported Russell woudln’t be going to the UFL after all, instead staying in Arizona to get in shape and refine his mechanics.

Too bad. Raiders fans wishing to relive the good ol’ days with Russell could have traveled to Sacramento to see him Nov. 13 against Daunte Culpepper, Dennis Green and the Sacramento Mountain Lions.

– The wheels of NFL justice are turning regarding Vince Young. A one-game suspension for Young means he won’t face the Raiders in the regular season opener.

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  • RaiderRockstar

    HAPPY FATHERS DAY! to all the dads in Raider Nation

    have a great/safe weekend :)

  • Just Fire Baby

    Snooki = fake Italian

    Thanks MTV!!!

  • jwiggle

    Sheed was in the circle on that 6th foul, suffering from back spasm, and exhausted. He left it all out there and was ready to hit the bench.

    Pierce was reaching for that call and was never going to get it on the road.

  • Ryan

    The Raiders should have a contest where a different winner each week gets to be the person who slaps Henderson.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    The things the refs allowed the Celtics to get away with in the 2008 finals against the Lakers are illegal in all 50 states.

  • Legacy510

    MJ dominated an era when the NBA was a water-down league with little to no competition. Magic went up against the Celtics, 76ers, and Pistons….all of which were much better teams with better players than the Sonics, Jazz, Suns or Blazers by far.
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    Dakota I’m debunking your comment that MJ DIDN’T “Dominate” any quality opposition. That he didn’t dominate against Bird and the Celtics. That was your comment. Not who won a series. And I just clearly defused your earlier statement.

    I think getting Bird to refer to you as God sounds like a dominant performance to me. Respectfully,you are owned, Dakota.

  • Just Fire Baby

    You have standup and well-respected guys like Darnell Dockett, Kevin Mawae and London Fletcher burying Haynesworth.

    The only one standing up for him, Meangelo Hall, lol.

    Case closed. He is a roach.

  • ottocrat

    I’d like to know an instance of when he hasn’t showed up for a game? Hasn’t been dominant? Other than when he was injured, of course.
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    The 2009 NFL season.

  • Legacy510

    jwiggle,

    You sound like someone who just started watching basketball last month. Put Jordan in his prime in the league today and Kobe will look like Clyde Drexler in comparison.

  • jwiggle

    You know …

    Top Ramen doesn’t get it’s due recognition in the culinary world.

  • Legacy510

    Further Dakota,

    MJ and Magic are the two greatest complete basketball players ever.

    But Magic came into the league with a dominant big man, Kareem. Kobe came into the league with a dominant big man, Shaq. Now he has another in Gasol.

    MJ had Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Will Perdue. Nuff said. Not even close.

  • Just Fire Baby

    And the Redskins D got worse with Haynesworth on there team.

    That is a fact.

    2008: 4th total D, 288 ypg, 18.5 points p/g, 8th against the rush @ 95 yards a game

    2009: 10th total D, 319 ypg, 21 points p/g, 16th against the rush @ 112.4 yards a game.

    All the while, the Skins offense was BETTER in 2009.

    Can we put this to rest now?

  • jwiggle

    Put Jordan in his prime in the league today and Kobe will look like Clyde Drexler in comparison.

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    I guess you like the dunk, huh?

    Kobe just won a ring with a bad knee and 2 bad finger on his shooting hand. A bit more difficult than playing with the flu.

    6-8 rings

    all time leading scorer

  • http://Noknuckleheads! 909RaiderLifer

    Who would have thought that Adam Morrison would have two more championship rings than LeBron James…

    Was Walt Coleman the referee at the USA kickball game today?

    Cable will probably just let the team order off the $1 menu at Mickey D’s…..

  • Just Fire Baby

    Kobe is still 12,000+ points behind Kareem.

    That means he has to average 22 ppg while playing 82 games a year, for 7 more years.

    No chance in hell.

  • jwiggle

    MJ had Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Will Perdue.

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    The part you leave out is there was not a single “big man” that Jordan had to go through to win a ring.

    He had PLENTY of post defensive help with Oakley, Ho Grant, Cartwright, Rodman, etc. setting picks and playing that tough physical interior defense

    Not to mention Scottie Pippen making sure Jordan didn’t have to ever guard anyone.

  • ottocrat

    Haynesworth got 3 million per sack last year. He’s JaHaynesworth.

  • jwiggle

    No chance in hell.

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    LOL!

    You really think Kobe will not be 43 and playing in the NBA?

    And Kobe will average 28-30 the next 3 years and 25 plus the 3 years after that.. MINIMUM!

  • jwiggle

    Haynesworth got 3 million per sack last year.

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    How much did he get per effective double team he drew allowing someone else to make a play?

  • Plunketthead

    Its one thing to worship the Oakland Raiders
    But you laker fans are just sick

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    Kobe has not shot 50% for a season yet, let alone an entire playoffs. Plus, Jordan played in the final years of the ‘handcheck’ era. Don’t get me wrong, Kobe enjoys playing physical, but no way would he be as efficient if people can guard him the way players used to be able to guard in the beginning of his career at this age. And if Jordan got to play in today’s post handcheck era, or with today’s rules, he might have shot over 50% every season. Gimme Mike anyday.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Legacy510 Says:
    June 18th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    Further Dakota,

    MJ and Magic are the two greatest complete basketball players ever.

    But Magic came into the league with a dominant big man, Kareem. Kobe came into the league with a dominant big man, Shaq. Now he has another in Gasol.

    MJ had Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Will Perdue. Nuff said. Not even close.
    +++++++++++

    First your dominate argument….um, most people equate dominating with winning lol. By scoring 63 in a game and losing Jordan only dominated the box score.

    Secondly, why are you arguing Kobe and MJ with me, I already said I think MJ is a better player than Kobe.

    Thirdly, Magic did benefit from a good Jabbar early on, but by the mid 80s Jabbar was not a dominating presence, while MJ had a top 50 player in his prime in Pippen the entire time he played in the 1990s. Magic going to 9 finals and winning 5 against the competition he faced is so much more impressive than MJ dominating Shawn Kemp and Clyde Drexler, and the one trick pony Utah Jazz. Magic took down Dr J in his prime, Isaiah Thomas in his prime, Larry Bird and the rest of the Celtics….not even close.

  • Just Fire Baby

    J,

    Jordan won NBA defensive player of the year, Kobe never has, and Jordan was never torched in the finals like Kobe was by PP in 2008.

    And I don’t see Kobe playing 75+ games a year ever again. The miles are adding up, and since he came out from HS, he will start his decline at a younger age than Jordan did.

    And he hasn’t scored 28 points a game in 3 years, and only 5 of his 14 years in the league. You think he will just start it up again? Not likely.

  • jwiggle

    Mike shot a higher percentage because he was more atheltic and physical = more layups and shots closer to the rim.

    I hated Jordan when he was playing. Loved the highlights, but couldn’t stand the ball hogging. Same things a lot of people say about Kobe now, and I agree. If Kobe didn’t play for the Lakers, I probably wouldn’t have much positive to say about the guy. I don’t like how he’s clearly trying to be Jordan, or the man instead of letting it all come to him.

    But I’m glad he’s on our team, lol!

  • inonewordraider

    Kobe guards fast point guards (rondo) and big 3′s (lebron), Jordan couldn’t do that he also has a better long range game however Jordan had a better post game and was a better finisher at the basket and I can’t imagine Jordan ever having such a horrific game 7 for all the marbles

  • Just Fire Baby

    Kobe has been in the top 10 in turnovers in the league 7 times, Jordan only twice.

    Kobe already has more turnovers than Jordan and has played in less games.

    I don’t see one area where Kobe has a statistical advantage over Jordan.

    And the rings thing? Jordan tossed away at least one more by going to go wiff at changeups.

  • ottocrat

    How much did he get per effective double team he drew allowing someone else to make a play?

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    Ahh, the Tommy Kelly argument. Your question has been answered (see # 112) It doesn’t matter, because if the Raiders are truly serious about cleaning up their culture, they’re not even going to consider this jerkoff. No matter how cheap he comes.

  • jwiggle

    Thirdly, Magic did benefit from a good Jabbar early on, but by the mid 80s Jabbar was not a dominating presence, while MJ had a top 50 player in his prime in Pippen the entire time he played in the 1990s. Magic going to 9 finals and winning 5 against the competition he faced is so much more impressive than MJ dominating Shawn Kemp and Clyde Drexler, and the one trick pony Utah Jazz. Magic took down Dr J in his prime, Isaiah Thomas in his prime, Larry Bird and the rest of the Celtics….not even close.

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    Are u sure u think MJ is better than Kobe?

  • Legacy510

    The part you leave out is there was not a single “big man” that Jordan had to go through to win a ring.
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    Jwiggle your facts are way skewed.

    Kobe went through a Kendrick Perkins-less Celtics team and got pushed to the brink in a game 7.

    Jordan dominated an era of Big Men who make today’s big men look pathetic.

    Dave Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hekeem Olajuwon, Shaq. You forget the year the Bulls went 72-10. That means Jordan dominated the league with all of those dominant centers in the league, including Shaq in his prime. And not one of them could stop him.

    You have to win playoff series to get to the Finals, and Michael obviously went through teams with much better big men than Kendrick Perkins to get his 6 championship rings.

    Some of the comments that some of you make in here prove that you just started watching basketball last week.

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    Thats because Jordan never let any Finals games go to game 7. Let Jordan play in the post handcheck era, and his numbers would have been even more ridiculous. Kobe has earned his way into the conversation (obviously, since everyone is talking about this right now), but he’s still 2nd on the totem pole.

    Kobe’s fake personality is sickening too. Last night was the first time the guy was honest with himself his whole career. He’s always tried hard to be liked instead of just being himself. Saying he “had one more than Shaq, and that you can take that to the bank” is the true Kobe. He is a vengeful, me first, well skilled basketball assassin. I wish he was this entertaining his whole career with quotes like that instead of faking the funk for 14 years. He always acted like his only motivation is winning, but just like Mike, he’s motivated by a lot of petty stuff and just wants to shut people up. But he never coordinated himself that way, and was a baby about it. Now, maybe we’ll get to see last night’s Kobe more. I think he’s like “F it, I’m about to retire in 4 or 5 years, so I might as well start being me”.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
    June 18th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    Kobe has not shot 50% for a season yet, let alone an entire playoffs. Plus, Jordan played in the final years of the ‘handcheck’ era. Don’t get me wrong, Kobe enjoys playing physical, but no way would he be as efficient if people can guard him the way players used to be able to guard in the beginning of his career at this age. And if Jordan got to play in today’s post handcheck era, or with today’s rules, he might have shot over 50% every season. Gimme Mike anyday.
    +++++++

    In all fairness Jordan never had to face a zone defense. Teams would have crowded Jordan’s side with defenders and cut off the lane forcing him to shoot way more from the outside than he ever had to against man defenses…Jordan would still have gotten the job done somehow, but his shooting percentages would have been affected.

    Also, the degree of difficulty Kobe often has on his shots brings hios shooting percentage down, but Kobe made shots that Jordan couldn’t dream of making. That being said, I still take Jordan over Kobe, but not by as much as the Jordan sycophants would like.

    If my team is down by 5 with one minute left I and most GMs would pick Kobe over Jordan in a heartbeat…but overall Jordan was better. Take away Kobe’s baggage and that might be a different story, but you can’t discount the Colorado issue, the trade demands (though it spurred the Lakers to pick up Pau) and the spat with Shaq.

  • jwiggle

    JFB,

    Kobe avg 27 pts a game this year with a broken finger and a bum knee. Like he said last night, he’s not slowing down, he was injured. I think he will avg more than 27 the next 2 years while playing healthy, and at least 25 the next 7 years. AT LEAST! Ball hog that he is?

    2009 season avg of 27 pts a game was when he initally hurt that shooting hand and played with the injury.

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kobe avg 30 next year.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Are you Lakers fans going to get Ron’s new single, lol??

    He was asking you guys about 45 seconds after the clock hit zeroes.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kobe avg 30 next year.

    ******************************

    Being that he has only done that twice in his career, and not in 5 years, you should be.

    Kobe averaging 30 ppg, means less wins during the year.

  • Legacy510

    Dakota,

    I’m just debating comments that I find to be false because I personally watched every single playoff basketball game from the 1980 to the present. And I’m only 33.

    And some of the comments I see on this discussion are just incredulous to me.

    “MJ never was dominant against Bird and the Celtics.”

    “MJ never went through a dominant big man to win a championship.”

    Like if Shaq, Olajuwon, and Robinson were all scrubs. But none of then could stop Jordan.

    Meanwhile Kobe comes into the league and is giftwrapped Shaq and Gasol in their primes, and everyone wants to perform fellatio on Kobe. It just makes no sense.

    I don’t mind a good debate, but at least put forward some actual facts, not just uncorroborated, fallacious, comments to try and prove a point.

  • jwiggle

    Dave Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hekeem Olajuwon, Shaq.

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    Talk about skewing …

    I don’t recall Jordan playing Shaq, Olajuwon, or Robinson in the playoffs.

    And Patrick Ewing was a power forward. Easily handled by Ho Grant and Cartwright and relegated to shooting jumpers.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Of course it turns out that MJ is just as much of a POS human as is Kobe, but because Jordan had the cover of the NBA, Nike, McDonalds and all the other sponsors and played back when the sports media was much smaller and not a bunch of TMZers Jordan’s selfish personality, womanizing and gambling problems were suppressed.

  • jwiggle

    2009: 10th total D, 319 ypg, 21 points p/g, 16th against the rush @ 112.4 yards a game.

    All the while, the Skins offense was BETTER in 2009.

    Can we put this to rest now?

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    The other 10 guys didn’t do their jobs. Full year of Meangelo didn’t help either.

  • inonewordraider

    gasol wasn’t setting the world on fire in Memphis, Kobe and Phil deserve some credit for how much better he looks now. Jordans the best I’ve seen, Magic is better than Kobe because he coulda played that game last night and been more effective being used to those wars but people should recognize his greatness

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    People always say zone defense, but it really isn’t zone defense if you can’t stay in the paint for longer than 3 seconds without being near your man because of a defensive three. Mike would have still dominated. Whereas, the ability to handcheck while guarding totally changes the physicality of the game. That’s why today’s point guards who are athletically supreme just thrive and thrive. No one can stay in front of ‘em without being allowed to put a hand on ‘em.

    Also, Kobe has been making difficult shots his whole career. I’ll give him that. But he takes difficult shots way too often too. Like the one he took last night on the baseline when he hit the side of the backboard after Paul came to double team him with Ray already on him. Mike isn’t even going to take a lot of those shots. Most of Mike’s shots were good shots because he created good space for his shots and still played within the offense. His shots hardly seemed outside of the flow of the game, whereas when it’s Kobe time, everyone knows it.

    Don’t get me wrong; Kobe is the man, but his teams have been filled with either multiple all stars or allstars and fellow Olympians. All Mike had was an overrated Scottie Pippen and bunch of decent role players (no legit big man – Horace Grant was a good 4 at best, but not great).

  • jwiggle

    And some of the comments I see on this discussion are just incredulous to me.

    “MJ never was dominant against Bird and the Celtics.”

    “MJ never went through a dominant big man to win a championship.”

    Like if Shaq, Olajuwon, and Robinson were all scrubs. But none of then could stop Jordan.

    Meanwhile Kobe comes into the league and is giftwrapped Shaq and Gasol in their primes, and everyone wants to perform fellatio on Kobe. It just makes no sense.

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    LOL!

    Kobe came in the league and sat on the bench behind Eddie Jones.

    Gasol in his prime? You mean that soft Euro everyone was talking about? The Euro from Memphis who couldn’t get out of the first rd?

    And I’m still waiting for the playoff games Jordan played those Bigs you’re referencing.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Legacy510,

    I guess your definition of dominate is just wrong. To dominate: “To exert a supreme, guiding influence on or over.” If dominate was defined as great effort with little effect, then you might say Jordan dominated the Celtics when he scored 63 on them. But when you lose a game and a series I don’t think you can use the word dominate as it is defined.

  • Legacy510

    # jwiggle Says:
    June 18th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    I don’t recall Jordan playing Shaq, Olajuwon, or Robinson in the playoffs.

    And Patrick Ewing was a power forward.
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    Patrick Ewing was Power Forward.rotflmao. Now I know you’re a 13 year old on his mommy’s laptop.lol

    Patrick Ewing was a 7’1 240lb center. Did he ever play the power forward position? Of course! Just like Magic played Center one time, but that doesn’t change the fact that Magic was a point guard.

    And next, no,Jordan didn’t play against Shaq, Olajuwon, or Robinson in the playoffs, but in order to get to the playoffs you have to win your regular season games first. And judging by the Bulls 72-10 record in 95-96 I think it’s safe to say that Jordan played against and dominated every single big man in the league that year, while he had Luc Longley, and Bill Wennington as his center. Case closed

  • jwiggle

    Kobe’s fake personality is sickening too. Last night was the first time the guy was honest with himself his whole career.

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    I totally agree with that entire post.

    I respect his game, but he is clearly a grade A arsswipe.

  • http://Noknuckleheads! 909RaiderLifer

    Speaking of Celtic honks, where in the hell is Bri3n?

  • jwiggle

    Now I know you’re a 13 year old on his mommy’s laptop.lol

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    Uh Haaaaaaa Ha

    Haaaaaawn

  • jwiggle

    Patrick Ewing was Power Forward.rotflmao. Now I know you’re a 13 year old on his mommy’s laptop.lol

    Patrick Ewing was a 7′1 240lb center. Did he ever play the power forward position? Of course!

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    when you got up off the floor, you admit that the guy played power foward …

    ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!

    ANYONE who saw Patricia Ewing play knows he was the original Kevin Garnett. A 7 foot jump shooter. Post move = 10 ft fall away jumper.

    Ewing is NEVER in the great big men discussion, even amongst, especially amongst NY fans.

  • Legacy510

    Dakota,
    Lebron had never won a championship, but it is clear that during the regular season he was the most individually dominant player in the league.

    Basketball is a TEAM sport, so when these debates come up, one must separate a players individual performance, from their TEAM accomplishments. Are we debating the Chicago Bulls vs the LA Lakers, or Michael Jordan vs various players in the league?

    Pistol Pete was individually one of the top 5 greatest offensive players EVER in the league, but he wasn’t a champion.

    So yes the Bulls lost the series to the Celtics, but that wasn’t the debate. Michael Jordan, as an individual player, DOMINATED Bird and the Celtics. They could not stop him and even reduced Bird to referring to him as “God.”

    Pick an argument and stick to it. It’s all love though Dakota. I actually enjoy friendly, intelligent debates. It’s all good.

  • jwiggle

    But when you lose a game and a series I don’t think you can use the word dominate as it is defined.

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    LOL!

    Just like you can’t say that Jordan actually went through someone if he didn’t actually play them.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    SilverAndBlackBleeder,

    I agree Kobe’s shot selection is often questionable, but when he makes so many of them you kind of sit back and get used to it, lol, but you are right, he should take better shots…but then Kobe’s numbers would put Jordan to shame and Kobe has too much respect for his elders to do that.

    But you argument about Jordan not having as much talent is rediculous. Jordan never had a Shaq, but he did have Pippen, Kucrotch, Grant, Harper, Rodman, and a cast of sharp shooters that Kobe only had once in Glenn Rice…if the teams Jordan played with had no talent why did they go to Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals without him the year after he retired?