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Lakers, Asomugha, bowl over Celtics, Cable

A few notes during the lull before the Raiders begin to sign their draft picks and in between filing stories and preparing for the Allan Green-Andre Ward WBA super middleweight title fight Saturday night at Orcale Arena:

– According to EGA Sports, Raiders cornerback and avid Lakers fan Nnamdi Asomugha won a bet with coach and longtime Celtics fan Tom Cable after Los Angeles beat Boston in seven games Thursday night.

As the loser, Cable will treat the entire team to dinner and bowling at some point during training camp.

– Had the Raiders opened their final organized team activity to the public, sentiment among the players probably would have been similar to that of the Jacksonville Jaguars, the latest team to be docked a couple of OTA sessions.

“We’re looking to push the envelope,” safety Sean Considine said. “If you do that, you’re going to come close to breaking those (OTA) rules. If we pushed it too far, then we’re going to suffer the consequences. I don’t think anybody’s worried about who called the (player) union or turned us in.

“Losing those last two OTAs isn’t going to have anything to do with how we do this season. There’s a message behind that (NFL ruling) that you can find a positive out of it.”

Baltimore and Detroit were the other two teams besides Oakland and Jacksonville to lose OTA time.

It’s no coincidence that player complaints appear to be on the rise given the status of negotiations between the union and ownership for a new collective bargaining agreement.

– The Web site “Cold, Hard Football Facts” analyzes the stunning decline of the Raiders passing game since Super Bowl XXXVII.

Their conclusions? Part of JaMarcus Russell’s problems was the organization he played for and that Al Davis has clearly lost his fastball.

– Profootballtalk.com is reporting Russell could end up in the UFL with the new Omaha franchise. And then later reported Russell woudln’t be going to the UFL after all, instead staying in Arizona to get in shape and refine his mechanics.

Too bad. Raiders fans wishing to relive the good ol’ days with Russell could have traveled to Sacramento to see him Nov. 13 against Daunte Culpepper, Dennis Green and the Sacramento Mountain Lions.

– The wheels of NFL justice are turning regarding Vince Young. A one-game suspension for Young means he won’t face the Raiders in the regular season opener.

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  • Legacy510

    # jwiggle Says:
    June 18th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    LOL!

    Just like you can’t say that Jordan actually went through someone if he didn’t actually play them.
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    Jwiggle,

    Please demonstrate some logic.

    No,Jordan didn’t play against Shaq, Olajuwon, or Robinson in the playoffs, but in order to get to the playoffs you have to win your regular season games first. And judging by the Bulls 72-10 record in 95-96 I think it’s safe to say that Jordan played against and dominated every single big man in the league that year, while he had Luc Longley, and Bill Wennington as his center. Case closed.

  • jwiggle

    Please demonstrate some logic.

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    What does that mean?

    Saying something you agree with?

    Cased closed????

    LMFAO!

  • Legacy510

    Jwiggle,

    You need to wiggle yourself out of this conversation because you obviously have no credulity to add to this topic. Your overall basketball knowledge is nonexistent.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    The 72-10 season was a joke…the NBA just expanded with the Grizz and the Raptors…which meant even less competition for Jordan to deal with. The central division was a complete joke that year.

    Jordan didn’t dominate the NBA until the NBA added 6 expansion teams robbing 42 or so decent players from the rosters of the rest of the NBA and he also had to wait until Magic, Bird and Thomas were at the end of their careers to get his first ring. Magic had to deal with the Sixers, Celtics, Pistons and others great teams while Jordan filled an era with a talent black hole.

    And back to the 72-10 Bulls, we all know the 2001 Lakers would have destroyed that Bulls team and any other Bulls team…Phil Jackson even said as much last night.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Gotta run….GOOO LAKERS!

    Back to the Raiders next week…well, maybe not since NBA free agency is around the corner….

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    Kukoc, Grant, Harper, and all those sharp shooters were all interchangeable pieces on the roster. Yea, they balled and played their role, but whether it’s Craig Hodges, Armstrong, Kerr, or Paxson, all those players were just guards who could hit an open shot and could be replaced. Grant was nothing more than Udonis Haslem. A big man with a lot of heart who wasn’t afraid of the moment, who could grab a ton of boards. Kukoc was nice, but he’ll never be a hall of famer, neither will anyone other than Pippen and Rodman (whom Mike didn’t get the benefit of in his glory years). Mike made all of them look good though. In fact, made all of them better.

    Kobe has had tons of folks come thru there. Being he’s an A-type personality mixed with a little bit of the d!ckhe@d syndrome, he’s run off every other A-type personality, until he surrounded himself with legit B-type personality players. Everyone on this roster kisses up to Kobe and is scared to even tell him anything other than Fisher. The fact that he has to be the only A-type dude on the roster is already a detriment, but the fact he ran all the vets and other A’s outta there shows even more. From Payton to Fox to Malone to Shaq to Van Exel to Ariza to Horry to whoever…..No one wanted to play with that kid for real, and I’m sure they all can’t stand him off the court. Kobe has had a huge list of great players to get the job done. Heck, he didn’t even want Bynum there (wanted him shipped out for J. Kidd) and is lucky that he stayed. If it wasn’t for Jerry West trying to hook up his old team by “influencing” Memphis to part with Gasol, Kobe would have never gotten his fourth. He’d still be pouting and going attempt-less like the 2nd half in game 7 against the Suns when he wanted to prove a point and they got blown by 30. Kobe has always had a crew. The times he didn’t is because he ran everyone away. And the only person Kobe truly made better that I’ll give him credit for is Pau Gasol, because he showed him how to be tough and win when it matters.

  • inonewordraider

    NBA totem pole of guys i saw play

    Michael

    Magic

    Kobe, Isaiah, Hakeem, Bird, Shaq

    Duncan, Garnett, Malone, Barkley, Nash, Miller

  • Ryan

    Not to mention the NBA moved the 3 point line in to entice MJ back. Nothing like making the game easier for MJ.

  • inonewordraider

    All the personality flaws you mention about Kobe could be said about Michael, Michaels still better just sayin

  • jwiggle

    because you obviously have no credulity to add to this topic. Your overall basketball knowledge is nonexistent.

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    This from a guy who trots out 72-10 as the logic for “must’ve dominated those big men” lol!

    Ok, I’ll sit back and let Dakota continue to smash you.

  • jwiggle

    Kobe has always had a crew.

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    What championship team hasn’t?

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    C’mon JWigg,

    We both know Fox had a couple more left in him, and the reasons all the others left were because they didn’t want to be there so you ask to be traded or let go (or Kobe asks for you to be traded or let go – more likely).

    Mike would have never pouted in a big game 7 like Kobe did in 2006 when he gave up on his team to prove a point to the media that his teammates aren’t that good and this is why he doesn’t pass the ball more. That game was close at half and the Lakes wound up getting busted by 30, and Kobe showed his true colors and pretty much started the crying right then and there until it landed him Pau Gasol.

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    I’m not arguing that a championship team has lacked a crew, but I bring that up because Mike never had multiple all stars at the same time (call Kukoc and late career Rodman all stars if you want), but all Mike had was Pippen (who I still believe was overrated). Kobe has another Olympian on his team, and Artest and Odom. Thats 4 all stars at one point in time on the same squad. Should have never went to game 7.

    Anyhow, I just like playing Devil’s advocate. Kobe is the man. I just hate the effin’ Lakers! Growing up in Louisville KY, my only true Cali allegiance is to the Raiders. Now that I live out here though, I do enjoy watching all the LA teams play. Good debating with ya’ll JWigg and Dakota. It’s quitting time though. Hopefully, we can talk Raiders next time around.

    Easy

  • jwiggle

    Mike would have never pouted in a big game 7 like Kobe did in 2006

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    Kobe’s resume is far from spotless.

    I’m not saying Kobe is the better player, but it’s surely a discussion. Kobe is far from done and it’s already a discussion.

  • Plunketthead

    Kobe could not lift Petes jock

  • Legacy510

    JWiggles,
    You and Dakota both jump around the topics when it suits you and avoid the ones that disprove you. You made an erroneous comment that MJ didnt have to play against top centers to win his championship. I brought up the 72-10 season as ONE example because clearly you dont have that record over the course of a season without playing and defeating the other good teams in the league.

    So then you weasel your way back in here with stats from two games against Shaq. But you didn’t mention Olajuwon(who embarrassed Shaq the year before by the way, Robinson, or any other Centers who were way more dominant than any Center on the Celtics roster who the great Kobe defeated to win his titles.

    You’re a switch hitter who plays both sides of the fence when it’s convenient for you to prove your silly little, groundless comments.

  • jwiggle

    (call Kukoc and late career Rodman all stars if you want),

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    Well if you want to call Artest and Odom All Stars, and Gasol an “Olympian”, then I can certainly reference Rodman and Kukoc.

  • jwiggle

    So then you weasel your way back in here with stats from two games against Shaq. But you didn’t mention Olajuwon

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    LOL!

    Because you said you didn’t want to talk to me about it anymore, so I said I’d sit back and watch Dakota continue to smack you around.

  • jwiggle

    when it’s convenient for you to prove your silly little, groundless comments.

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    I love your examples on grown man stuff.

    Most of your posts have these type of 9th grade attempts at humor.

  • Plunketthead

    Obama/Green in 2012
    Double your pleasure
    Double your fun
    Elect two dumbarses
    instead of just one

  • jwiggle

    You made an erroneous comment that MJ didnt have to play against top centers to win his championship. I brought up the 72-10 season as ONE example

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    And since you’re back for more …

    It was the ONLY example you gave to back up YOUR claim that Jordan “dominated” big men that would make today’s big men look like …

    I asked you to tell me which big men Jordan went through to win a ring and you bring up a REGULAR SEASON record?

    (Should I insert my 9th grade attempt at humor right about here?)

  • Plunketthead

    Not that Biden is’nt a dummy but Alvin Green?

    What were dems in SC thinking?

  • Plunketthead

    Sure are a lot of people getting banned/disappearing lately.

  • Plunketthead

    Or maybe the troll army that resides at the CCT is on vacation

  • DutchRaider77

    Why would we need another running back when we have Nick Miller! Miller returning kicks, Miller catching the bomb and Miller taking handoffs out of the backfield. It’s Miller time!
    Seriously, remember last year during the Nick Miller camp hype, he was practicing with some of the running backs taking hand-offs?

  • Plunketthead

    I guess nows a good time to watch the movie I bought at the pawnshop with all the money I have been making

    No Country For Old Men

  • Plunketthead

    Bush/Mcfadden = healthy all year = two 1,000 yard rushers

  • Legacy510

    Pitiful attempt at a comeback Jwiggles. I mentioned several centers and big men that Jordan dominated. Name the ones Kobe went through to get his ring this year. As much as you disdained Patrick Ewing to try and prove your little point, he was better than any center on the Celtics current roster.

    As far as humor, I haven’t been trying to be funny about nothin I’ve said. Your ignorant comments have me laughing and shaking my head, but that’s about it.

    Like if Kobe went through such trial and perseverance to get his rings. Pathetic.

    Keep switch hitting

  • jwiggle

    Like if Kobe went through such trial and perseverance to get his rings. Pathetic.

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    You KEEP talking to the “pathetic” “little” guy, lol!

    What are you a glutton for punishment or something?

    Ignorant comments?

    LMFAO!

    YOU made the big man point. WTF are you talking about? I never said anything about Kobe going through big men. Are you confused?

    And yeah I know you mentioned a bunch of big men. I’m still waiting for you to tell me which one of them Jordan beat in the playoffs.

    Patrick Ewing was NOT a dominant big man. He was a JUMP SHOOTER! I’d like to hear ONE other person say that Ewing was a dominant big man.

  • Plunketthead

    Who should get more credit for the Lakers last 2 rings?
    a) Phil Jackson
    b) Buss daughter for trapping Phil with her mancatcher
    c) The rest of the NBA for being terrible
    d) Kobe

  • Plunketthead

    Kobe would not have those rings without Phil whereas Phil could have gone to Cleveland and Lebron would have two rings

  • Legacy510

    # jwiggle Says:
    June 18th, 2010 at 4:11

    Patrick Ewing was NOT a dominant big man. He was a JUMP SHOOTER! I’d like to hear ONE other person say that Ewing was a dominant big man. And Patrick Ewing was a power forward.

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    Umm. So I guess Patrick Ewing being named one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History is meaningless. And after you read up on that, maybe I can get you to further read so that you can learn that Patrick Ewing was actually a Center in the NBA. Pathetic.

  • http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=eb53t3&s=5&hid=3&tag=my+pool Lynn from Snot

    Ooops i thought this was the Raiders blog.

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    # Raider O Says:
    June 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    LMN,

    You thinking “they” had something to do with politics and conspiracies was STUPID.
    ________________________________________________________

    fair enough, then explain it to me… why would “they” want one team over another to win? what is the incentive?

  • M Lonetree

    How is it that so many posters here declare a great fascination, indeed love, for a bunch of men in shorts running around and throwing a ball at a netted orange hoop suspended on plexiglass and in the next breath disparage as unmanly a bunch of men in shorts trying to kick a ball into a woodframed netting?

    I suggest the ancient Mayan ballcourt game as a better test of manliness than either of the aforementioned “men in shorts” contests, as the victor, the man capable of getting the ball through the ring mounted on the wall of the ballcourt was then deemed the most worthy and was put to death as a sacrifice to the gods.

    MVP! MVP! MVP!

  • jwiggle

    And after you read up on that, maybe I can get you to further read so that you can learn that Patrick Ewing was actually a Center in the NBA. Pathetic.

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    Hey genius, PF = how he plays the game!

    Shouldn’t have to dumb it down for you so much.

  • severeraiderz

    Legacy510 Says:
    June 18th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    Pitiful attempt at a comeback Jwiggles. I mentioned several centers and big men that Jordan dominated. Name the ones Kobe went through to get his ring this year. As much as you disdained Patrick Ewing to try and prove your little point, he was better than any center on the Celtics current roster.

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    Kevin Garnett has averaged more rebounds, more assists, and less turnovers than Ewing. He averaged only two less points per game for his career while being named as an MVP, defensive player of the year, and NBA champion, three achievements not in the resume of Ewing.

  • Nnamdi21

    Lynn from Snot Says:
    June 18th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    Ooops i thought this was the Raiders blog.

    =================

    I for one enjoy open discusion of various subjects regarless of forum and think pigeon holing and compartmentalizing away issues is a mistake but yeah, its a little basket bally in here right nizz ow!

    C’mon regular season!!!

  • severeraiderz

    Nnamdi21 Says:
    June 18th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
    Lynn from Snot Says:
    June 18th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
    Ooops i thought this was the Raiders blog.

    =================

    I for one enjoy open discusion of various subjects regarless of forum and think pigeon holing and compartmentalizing away issues is a mistake but yeah, its a little basket bally in here right nizz ow!

    C’mon regular season!!!

    ===========================================================

    Looking at Tim Browns career stats one realizes how amazing of a player he was. He is in the top 5 in just about every category as a receiver with terrible QB play and after losing 3 years of his career (1 to injury and 2 being relegated almost exclusively to return duties)

  • Nnamdi21

    189. Agreed! So sad we couldn’t get him a ring…

  • Plunketthead

    Barrys son is a punk

    REDWOOD CITY, Calif. (AP)
    The 20-year-old son of former San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds has pleaded no contest to misdemeanor vandalism and assault charges stemming from a fight with his mother.
    Nikolai Bonds entered the plea Thursday as part of a deal with San Mateo County prosecutors. Three additional misdemeanor charges were dropped.
    Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe says Bonds was sentenced to four days in jail but given credit for time served.
    Authorities say Bonds threw a doorknob at his mother, Sun Bonds, spit in her face and stopped her from leaving through the front door of her Menlo Park home on Dec. 5 after she suggested his friends may have taken jewelry.

    Wagstaffe says prosecutors reached a deal because Sun Bonds refused to cooperate in the case.

  • hendu

    Plunketthead, how you doin? I live in the bay area,thats the first Ive heard of this. If all is true as reported,Barrys son is at the least, a punk. Can think of a few other thing as well. Anyway,a Happy Fathers Day to Dads of the blog!

  • PuebloRaider

    Is this a blog for Basketball or the Raiders? I want to read and talk about The Silver and Black. Maybe all you people with all this basketball knowledge should go to the Warriors site. Just a thought!

  • Dude

    Pueblo,

    Who cares what you want???

  • raideredoutL.A.

    back2back and what f’n haters!

  • raideredoutL.A.

    Nnamdi 21, so what is cable buying u guys 4 dinner?

  • raideredoutL.A.

    oh yeah its just your blog name, Nnamdi21, of course u couldn’t be him when your posts’ awhile back were anti-L.A. and the real nnamdi is from L.A. and a laker fan.LOL.

  • Nnamdi21

    Lions lineman Jon Jansen on NFLN Total Access toting the party line about an 18 games season. Righteous props to Rich Eisen for diplomatically calling him out for it too!

    “Oh everyones for it if it keeps us from striking.”

    No, no they’re not…

    18 games might mean bigger rosters, reworking IR and sitting star players for later in the season for “meaningful” games.

    Idiotic idea. 16 is enough just drop 2 pre season games.

    This BS about an 18 game season is for greedy6 execs who want the advertising dollars and TV revs.

    I know its the American way to take something perfectly fine and tweak it and add to it until it no longer works, but back off my football.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Br ien was here last night under a couple of different names, strategically attacking the people who were calling him out without revealing too many clues it was him.

  • fat kidd

    (June 18) — Sarah Palin says recreational pot smoking is “relatively speaking a minimal problem” in America.

    In an otherwise uneventful appearance on the Fox Business Network with Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, Palin said that while she doesn’t believe marijuana should be legalized, the country has bigger fish to fry.

    “I think we need to prioritize our law enforcement efforts,” she said. “If somebody’s gonna smoke a joint in their house and not do anybody any harm, then perhaps there are other things our cops should be looking at to engage in and try to clean up some of the other problems we have in society.”