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Camp questions: Where is Seymour’s ripple effect?

With reporting day two weeks away, the second in a series of questions and issues to be sorted out in Napa:

With a full training camp, can Richard Seymour elevate the play of the entire defensive line?

When Seymour signed his exclusive franchise free agent tender on June 19, it meant the nine-year veteran would be in camp on time, taking the Nnamdi Asomugha approach to being franchised rather than showing up for the opener like Charles Woodson.

Coach Tom Cable worked overtime last year stressing Seymour’s influence on the rest of the defensive linemen, end Matt Shaughnessy and tackle Desmond Bryant in particular.

But at the end of the season, the Raiders remained deficient against the run (29th in the NFL), continued to allow rushing touchdowns (24) at a pre-Seymour rate and were middle of the road in terms of a pass rush (34 sacks). When playing as much man-to-man coverage as the Raiders do, pressure on the quarterback must rise above mediocre.

By season’s end, Seymour had four sacks _ down from eight a in 2008 _ to go along with 47 tackles and a forced fumble. Two of those sacks came in a remarkable Monday night opener against San Diego just two days after he reported while sorting out his personal affairs and getting used to the idea of being traded from the New England Patriots for a 2011 first-round draft pick.

Seymour has never been big in the sacks department, but his reputation in New England was of a player who was so difficult to block he made everyone else better on an ever-changing multiple defense _ often as an end in a 3-4 scheme.

With the Raiders, Seymour, according to Football Outsiders, had a team-high 17 hurries and was named to their “No-Help All-Stars” team, indicating he hadn’t exactly elevated the games of other linemen such as Tommy Kelly and since departed veterans Gerard Warren and Greg Ellis.

The Raiders are counting on a full training camp making a difference, with Seymour showing the way to the likes of Shaughnessy, Bryant, Jay Richardson and rookie second-round pick Lamarr Houston.

Another factor is the return of line coach Mike Waufle, whose job it will be to bring a unit mentality to a group which has shown the raw ability to beat the man in front of them but too often fails to cover for each other.

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  • J Wiggle

    Wow RRS …

    That Brazilian oil propoganda you tried to pull off gut blown out of the water by BSJ, lol.

    Any response?

  • MistaBrown

    OakGlen I see you combed through over 1000 posts to find mine and comment. Your like a little mut humping my leg! I make your day you pathetic moron..

  • HairyBush

    Yahoo sports rankings-linebackers

    17. Oakland: The Raiders made two really nice pickups this offseason at linebacker. The best move was taking Alabama linebacker Rolando McClain in the first round of the draft. The second was trading for Kamerion Wimbley, even if Wimbley isn’t exactly your prototype 4-3 outside linebacker. McClain is a no-nonsense, driven player who has a chance to be another Patrick Willis. That may be saying a lot, but McClain is the rare inside linebacker who can justify being selected in the top 20. As for Wimbley, his pass rush skills are solid, although he needs to play with more urgency all the time. The big question is whether he’ll ever figure out coverage. As for the rest, Trevor Scott and Thomas Howard will duel for the other outside linebacker spot and the depth is good.

  • Nnamdi21

    pt.1 of Exclusive interview with Raider Safety Tyvon Branch!

    http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives

  • MistaBrown

    Wiggle,
    BsJ is a well documented liar. Sometimes he doesn’t even know who posted what. 0ilbama did lend Brazil 2 bil and his buddy Soros invested in the company. Read between the lines. Corruption at its finest!

    “You read that headline correctly. Unfortunately, the Obama Administration is financing oil exploration off Brazil.

    The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan”
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

  • Nnamdi21

    42. The Wall Street Journal was purchased by Rupert the Na-zi Murdock

  • MistaBrown

    There’s no bread, let them eat cake
    There’s no end to what they’ll take
    Flaunt the fruits of noble birth
    Wash the salt into the earth
    But they’re marching to Bastille Day
    La guillotine will claim her bloody prize
    Free the dungeons of the innocent
    The king will kneel, and let his kingdom rise

    Bloodstained velvet, dirty lace
    Naked fear on every face
    See them bow their heads to die
    As we would bow as they rode by

    And we’re marching to Bastille Day
    La guillotine will claim her bloody prize
    Sing, o choirs of cacophony
    The king has kneeled, to let his kingdom rise.

    Lessons taught but never learned
    All around us anger burns
    Guide the future by the past
    Long ago the mould was cast

    For they marched up to Bastille Day
    La guillotine – claimed her bloody prize
    Hear the echoes of the centuries
    Power isn’t all that money buys

  • RaiderRockstar

    why so down on Dick Seymour?

    ***

    HB, like the rest of us Raider fans … I expected more out of him

    much like Terdell Sands, Tommy Kelly or Gerard Warren he showed up about once every 4 or 5 games.

    As I stated (above), his supporting cast this year might make all the difference, but he certainly didn’t step up his game last year or boost the level of play in the guys around him

    Here’s hoping for better results, not more of the same!

  • Nnamdi21

    Seymour’s got gas left in the tank. Should be a good year…

  • MistaBrown

    Libtards are such mental patients Pres purple drank lips sends Brazil 2 bill a year after Bush left office and they still point the finger @ Bush-Cheney!
    :D

  • RaiderRockstar

    That Brazilian oil propoganda

    ***

    Jwigg: that was an e-mail forward I received like 10 minutes before I posted it on here. I didn’t care if it was true or not, just thought it was worth reading. I figured a Barack worshipper would challenge it and I was right. no biggie. I don’t watch Fox News and I’m not a mormon, so Glenn Beck’s opinion means nothing to me. sure gets the dems fired up though. LOL!

    Any response?

  • MistaBrown

    Seymour played about 2 games last year and took the other 14 off. Maybe a decent Qb this year will keep players engaged until December.

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    MistaBrown is right on his oil facts. Also, the Chinese are getting all of Iraq’s future oil contracts. Not a liberal vrs. conservative argument, just a FACT.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    GOP in Idaho’s Bonner County doesn’t like ‘Fiesta’ theme

    SANDPOINT, Idaho — Some Republicans are unhappy with the Bonner County Fair’s theme of “Fiesta at the Fair,” in light of ongoing battles to stop illegal immigration from Mexico.

    The Bonner County GOP said it will decorate its booth with the word “celebrate” instead of “fiesta.” The Republicans have also asked Arizona officials for some license plates to put in the booth, to show support for that state’s controversial law targeting illegal immigrants.

    “The Republicans at BCRCC want to make it very clear that English is our primary language, and call our booths ‘Celebrate!’ and display some Arizona license plates if you have some to spare,” Bonner County Republican Central Committee Chairman Cornel Rasor wrote in a letter to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, according to The Spokesman-Review newspaper.

    The fair runs Aug. 24-28 in Sandpoint, Idaho, a town with relatively few minorities that is about 90 miles north of Spokane, Wash.

    Bonner County fair board Chairman Tim Cary said the fair was just looking for a theme that’s fun to decorate with, and the choice had nothing to do with official language or immigration disputes.

    Cary noted that one of the fair’s regular offerings is the Mexican food sold at the Search and Rescue booth.

    “Are we supposed to change the name of a burrito to something in English?” Cary said. “I’m thinking there’s some narrow-mindedness here, but that’s just my opinion.”

    The county GOP at its monthly meeting in June voted to “affirm” Arizona’s tough immigration law and to send the letter seeking the license plates for the fair booth to Arizona’s governor.

    Rasor, also a county commissioner, sought to distance himself from the clash Wednesday but acknowledged he signed and sent the letter.

    “Having a fiesta theme at the fair was OK with me, I didn’t even think about it ’til somebody brought it up,” Rasor said. “But their concerns are very real to them, so I don’t want to downplay it.”

    Rasor said the words “fiesta” and “celebrate” mean the same thing.

    “So technically speaking we didn’t have a different theme than the fair, it’s just a different spelling,” he said.

    Last year’s fair theme was “A Black Tie and Blue Jeans Affair.”

    The Arizona law, not yet in effect, is intended to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona and discourage them from coming in the first place. It requires police investigating another crime to ask people about their immigration status if there’s “reasonable suspicion” they’re in the country illegally. It also makes being in the country illegally a misdemeanor under state law.

    The Idaho Legislature may consider a similar law in its next session.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700046570/GOP-in-Idahos-Bonner-County-doesnt-like-Fiesta-theme.html

  • HairyBush

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    why so down on Dick Seymour?

    ***

    HB, like the rest of us Raider fans … I expected more out of him

    much like Terdell Sands, Tommy Kelly or Gerard Warren he showed up about once every 4 or 5 games.

    As I stated (above), his supporting cast this year might make all the difference, but he certainly didn’t step up his game last year or boost the level of play in the guys around him

    Here’s hoping for better results, not more of the same!
    ——————————
    I also want and expect more from him. perhaps you are being a little harsh saying he only shows up once every 4-5 games ala Turd sands. I think he did what he could do (for the most part). The biggest thing I would like to focus on is him elevating the play of guys around him. We can agree that he can definetley step it up in that department. Well here’s to hope for this upcoming training camp and season. Raider nation

  • MistaBrown

    BsJ is clueless because he spends his life on libtard blogs and left wing news sources like the NY times. The poor little mope hasn’t a fighting chance of pulling his head out of his bunghole.

  • HairyBush

    MistaBrown Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
    Seymour played about 2 games last year and took the other 14 off. Maybe a decent Qb this year will keep players engaged until December.
    —————————-
    Just because he only had sacks in 2 games last year doesn’t mean he was non exsistant the other 14.It is a little extreme to imply he didn’t contribute. Let’s just agree that we all want more from him after a #1 pick was surrendered. Hopefully he will be the mentor we all want this training camp!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Steve Blake: ‘I’m extremely excited to be coming here to the Lakers.’

    The Lakers’ newest acquisition, guard Steve Blake, spoke as if he had joined the two-time defending champions, which, in fact, he officially did.

    Blake was effusive in his praise for the Lakers while he met with reporters Wednesday.

    “I’m extremely excited to be coming here to the Lakers,” he said. “As a player who wants to win and has won championships at every level except the NBA, I think this is the best place to be.”

    Blake, who signed a four-year, $16-million contract with the Lakers earlier this month, won a national championship at the University of Maryland in 2002.

    Blake, 30, said he was ready to play for the Lakers regardless of time or situation.

    “I look forward to coming in here, whether it’s starting or coming off the bench, and being productive,” he said.

    Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak said Blake would probably be a reserve, though it would be up to Coach Phil Jackson.

    “We expect Derek [Fisher] in all likelihood to start and play big minutes, but Derek is soon to be 36, so we know we need a player in the backcourt to spell Derek in relief and also going forward,” he said.

    Blake has averaged 7.5 points and 4.3 assists a game while shooting 39.3% from three-point range in a seven-year career with Washington, Portland, Denver, Milwaukee and the Clippers.

    – Mike Bresnahan

    http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/

  • RaiderRockstar

    The poor little mope hasn’t a fighting chance

    ***

    Brown: thanks for bringing back the word “mope”

    HAHAHA

    I haven’t heard anybody use it since that Bloodhound Gang song 10 years ago!

    sort of like MR calling somebody a “rube”

  • J Wiggle

    Jwigg: that was an e-mail forward I received like 10 minutes before I posted it on here. I didn’t care if it was true or not,

    Any response?

    ——————————————————

    Didn’t care if it was true or not?

    Wow!

    Isn’t that the definition of propoganda?

  • RaiderRockstar

    As a player who wants to win and has won championships at every level except the NBA – Steve Blake

    ***

    oh… you mean the one that matters?

    hahaha. what a mope!

  • RaiderRockstar

    propoganda

    ***

    Who ???

  • HairyBush

    sort of like MR calling somebody a “rube”

    I think the last time I heard someone use “rube” It was coming from the mouth of Hannibal Lecter.

    hmmm Hannibal Lecter/MaddenRaider they are both warped!

  • J Wiggle

    exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    MistaBrown is right on his oil facts. Also, the Chinese are getting all of Iraq’s future oil contracts

    ——————————————————-

    Really?

  • RaiderRockstar

    I think the last time I heard someone use “rube” It was coming from the mouth of Hannibal Lecter.

    ***

    Exactly :)

  • RaiderRockstar

    Jwigg talking up Stan Routt yesterday = hidden agenda

    are you his agent?

    an original round tender (the lowest possible) for him would have been too much!

  • Seymour Bush

    # MistaBrown Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    OakGlen I see you combed through over 1000 posts to find mine and comment. Your like a little mut humping my leg! I make your day you pathetic moron..
    =============================================

    It’s so funny that somehow you can make someone pissing on your face seem like a welcome summer rain shower. Problem is, all I have to do is comb thru five or six posts, find the most idiotic one, and low and behold, there YOU are. Funny how that happens so consistently.

  • RaiderRockstar

    funny that somehow you can make someone pissing on your face seem like a welcome summer rain shower

    ***

    SeyGlenn: nice use of words pictures!

  • http://sizzurp Dr. Steven Hawking

    Seymour Oakglen Bush, my favorite whipping boy.

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder
  • http://sizzurp Dr. Steven Hawking

    What it do Oakdork?

  • Seymour Bush

    MistaBrown Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    BsJ is clueless because he spends his life on libtard blogs and left wing news sources like the NY times.
    =============================================

    Yeah, the NY Times is not real credible as a news source. Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, and the National Enquirer are much more “fair and balanced.”

  • J Wiggle

    Jwigg talking up Stan Routt yesterday = hidden agenda

    ——————————————————-

    Talking up Stan Routt ???

    LOL!

    More propoganda!

    Just simply asked a question of how McFadden was competing against for that nickel role and prayed to GOD it wasn’t Stan Routt.

  • Seymour Bush

    # Dr. Steven Hawking Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    What it do Oakdork?
    =======================================

    Ahh the blog troll. What it do troll? Find any good scraps in the dumpster for lunch?

  • RaiderRockstar

    National Enquirer ???

    ***

    Sey Bush: the only people who read that are fat housewives who watch Oprah!

  • Seymour Bush

    Routt is terrible.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Just simply asked a question of how McFadden was competing against for that nickel role and prayed to GOD it wasn’t Stan Routt.

    ***

    Walter Mac vs. #26

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    The largest football stadiums in the United States:

    109,901 — Michigan Stadium, Ann Arbor

    107,282 — Beaver Stadium (Penn State), State College, Pa.

    102,495 — Neyland Stadium (Tennessee), Knoxville, Tenn.

    102,329 — Ohio Stadium (Ohio State), Columbus, Ohio

    101,000 — Bryant-Denny Stadium (Alabama), Tuscaloosa, Ala.

  • J Wiggle

    Not making it up J Wiggle

    http://jutiagroup.com/2009/07/01/chinese-win-contract-to-develop-major-iraqi-oil-field/

    ——————————————————-

    All good …

    But we were talking about the Brazilian oil fields, not Iraq.

  • J Wiggle

    Seymour Bush Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Routt is terrible.

    —————————————————–

    Here come the DB coaches again.

    Routt against the slot WR is terrible.

    Routt on an outside WR in man to man is decent.

    Too bad we mostly get to see him lined up opposite the slot WR.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Here come the DB coaches again.

    ***

    RaiderRockstar & SeyGlenn > Lionel Washington & Randy Hanson

  • http://Noknuckleheads! 909RaiderLifer

    Happy birthday to Thomas Howard, and Rolondo McLaine…

  • J Wiggle

    To echo Dakota’s point …

    We are going to see what our DBs are made of this year. Teams never really had to test our DBs these past few years due to the ineptness of the offense. Score one TD, game was pretty much over.

    NOW …

    We are going to see what CJ and Nnamdi are really made of. All I know is that pass rush better be there or this board will be crying for a CB with next years first rd … wait a minute … I mean 2nd rd pick.

  • HairyBush

    J Wiggle Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    To echo Dakota’s point …

    We are going to see what our DBs are made of this year. Teams never really had to test our DBs these past few years due to the ineptness of the offense. Score one TD, game was pretty much over.

    NOW …

    We are going to see what CJ and Nnamdi are really made of. All I know is that pass rush better be there or this board will be crying for a CB with next years first rd … wait a minute … I mean 2nd rd pick.
    ————————

    Well said

  • RaiderRockstar

    All I know is that pass rush better be there or this board will be crying for a CB with next years first rd … wait a minute … I mean 2nd rd pick.

    ***

    If it’s not, who will you blame?

    Marshall
    Waufle
    Shaughnessy
    Seymour
    Houston
    Richardson
    Groves
    Scott
    Wimbley

    All of the above ???

    you know me. i’ll blame Nick Miller, Marcel Reece, Hiram Eugene & Stanford Routt!

  • J Wiggle

    If the pass rush is not there, I’ll blame the DC of course. Better have the ballz to bring more than that front 4!

    And I do mean regularly!

  • Seymour Bush

    J Wiggle Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Seymour Bush Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Routt is terrible.

    —————————————————–

    Here come the DB coaches again.
    ==========================================

    routt started one game last year. He has had like 15 passes defended in like 61 career games. What that means is he makes one play every five games. Guys like that should be selling insurance not playing in the NFL.

  • RaiderRockstar

    routt started one game last year. He has had like 15 passes defended in like 61 career games. What that means is he makes one play every five games. Guys like that should be selling insurance not playing in the NFL.

    ***

    Sey Bush: I don’t think so

    selling insurance means you have to “cover” somebody!

  • Seymour Bush

    # RaiderRockstar Says:
    July 14th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    routt started one game last year. He has had like 15 passes defended in like 61 career games. What that means is he makes one play every five games. Guys like that should be selling insurance not playing in the NFL.

    ***

    Sey Bush: I don’t think so

    selling insurance means you have to “cover” somebody!
    ===============================================

    Hahahahaha. Best post of the day RR!

  • RaiderRockstar

    If the pass rush is not there, I’ll blame the DC of course.

    ***

    Can play DE:

    Shaughnessy
    Seymour
    Houston
    Richardson
    Kelly
    Bryant
    Groves
    Scott

    Can play DT:

    Henderson
    Heard
    Seymour
    Houston
    Richardson
    Kelly
    Bryant

    Can play OLB:

    Scott
    Wimbley
    Howard
    Brown
    Groves
    Norris

    Can play MLB:

    McClain
    Goethel
    Brown

    safeties that can hit like a linebacker:

    Branch
    Mitchell
    S. Brown
    Boyd

    John Marshall certainly has PLENTY to work with …