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More Tatum reaction

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, July 27th, 2010 at 6:14 pm in Oakland Raiders.

A few more observations from Raiders’ present and past about Jack Tatum, the former Raiders safety who died of heart failure Tuesday at age 61.

– “Seeing him the last two years, it was a blessing to me to know that was what the Raiders were all about. To hear he passed _ bless his family, and God’s going to be with him. It’s not a timetable when the Lord calls you home. It was just his time to go. This day and time, the Raider Nation did take a downfall from one of their soldiers,’’ _ Raiders cornerback Chris Johnson

– “He was all about big hits. Wouldn’t nobody come across the middle. That’s what we’ve got to bring to the secondary. We’ve got to bring that back. We can’t do it exactly like he did because we’d get fined now, but we still have that mentality as he had just be under the rules,’’ _ Johnson on Tatum’s playing style.

– “You try to but you can’t duplicate some of the things he did on the field. The way he hit people, he was a pure intimidator out there,’’ Raiders safety Tyvon Branch.

– “Everybody’s heard of Jack Tatum. (Others), you never hear about them. It’s because of the way he played the game. He leaves behind that legacy of being the assassin. I was watching ESPN Classic one day and they were showing the old hits. You see him popping people’s helmets off. Everybody’s got short arms when they were going across the middle because they knew he was there,’’ Branch on Tatum’s name recognition among young players and playing style.

– “I got to know Jack during my time with the Raiders. Just one of the all-time greats. A very good football player on a lot of those great Raiders teams. He’d come around and watch practice and talk to the young players and was always a sounding board, particularly for the young defensive players. He played the game with a little chip on his shoulder, very physical. A member of the College Football Hall of Fame. It’s really a sad day for all Raiders and for all Raider fans across the country,’’ former Raiders quarterback and Sirius Satellite Radio host Rich Gannon.

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  • mistic1

    Where are all of those people that were on here asking big Al to step down???? What happen to everyone that was so upset that we didnt get Mt. Cody??? We might be looking at one of the greatest raider defenses of all time in a year or two!!!The biekert hire is pure genious! If anyone fits the Plunkett mode its Campbell. Rocket arm, mobile enough to buy time, understated personality, loved by teamates, leads by example. On offense we have speed all over te field! Speed kills!!! Dmac and Bush, Wheatly Kaufman any one? Our new thunder and lightning have better hands! I have seen this movie before, and it ends in silver black glory! In a year or two our offensive weapons will mature and grow together, and our defense will gel! I was not a cable fan, but i love him in the managers role, like Madden and Flores, let the coaches do their job and cable just oversees the operation. Jackson and Marshall bring the fire. And lastly the elephant hybrid D, mixed with our pressure man to man, hang on to your hats kiddies this is going to be nuts! davis the man you love to hate has done it again, very soon we will be challenging for the super bowl again! we never rebuild we only reload!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    mistic1 Says:
    July 28th, 2010 at 9:43 am
    Where are all of those people that were on here asking big Al to step down????
    +++++++++++++++++

    PLEASE AL, STEP DOWN!!!!!!

  • M Lonetree

    “…a menace to victory.” now there is fine turn of a phrase. Good one BoSJack.

    menaces to victory (solution)
    1) devastatingly poor QB play (addressed)
    2) turnovers (with #2 flushed #20 has to recalibrate)
    3) WTF play calling leading to time of possession issues (addressed)
    4) shoddy run defense and tackling (addressed)
    5) ill-timed and ill-conceived penalties (anti-Raider Zebraism aside, needs addressed on a weekly basis)
    6) dropped passes and would-be interceptions (concentrate! it ain’t Jack Tatum bearing down on you!)

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    “we never rebuild we only reload!”

    LMAO…I guess you can say after the past 7 years we sure don’t know HOW to rebuild….

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    M,

    Don’t forget about piss poor special teams play (excluding Jano and Lechler of course)…was that addressed?

  • http://www.safc.com/page/StadiumofLightDetail/0,,10281~1706060,00.html neilb

    Wait and see.I thought we’d turned the corner 2 seasons ago when we beat Houston and Tampa.

  • mistic1

    @ Dakota,

    I respect that, at least you have the balls to show up!
    But you have to admit in all of football or professional sports at least davis gives a reason to get excited almos every year, most owners do not. Also we have played for championships and super bowls in every decade but the ninties and in the ninties we made the playoffs and afc title game! You dont like what we have done so far this off season?

  • bcz24

    I hear Childress has AP carrying around a 50# football to develop his carrying strength to reduce his fumbles…

  • http://www.safc.com/page/StadiumofLightDetail/0,,10281~1706060,00.html neilb

    If fumbles are a problem for Dmac then I’m sure Hue Jackson will be working on it.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    LOL @ Lonetree.

    Add:

    Lack of football during summer (ADDRESSED!)

  • M Lonetree

    Bcz24,

    I read that AP has been toting around a football which is filled with sand. weight, one stone.

  • mistic1

    @ Dakota,
    hey you cant be right every time, you cant win every year. If you look at the big picture though there are few great franchises and the raiders are perinial winners that have hit some lean years, it happes to every team. Noone would argue that the steelers are not a powerhouse of a franchise, but they were in the doldrums throught the eighties and most of the ninties! The cowboys have made a come back but before the last couple fo years you have to back to the aikman era to find a good cowboy team. How about the niners we remeber what they did in the eighties and ninties where are they now? In reality once you disconnect from the espn sound bite mentaltiy you realize that 7 years really isnt that long, and compared to other great sports teams We typically dont stay down as long as most!

  • M Lonetree

    Dakota,

    feel free to contribute to “menaces to victory” list.
    (notice I didn’t list your boy first).

    7) lack of return game (Jacoby, c’mon down)

  • http://www.safc.com/page/StadiumofLightDetail/0,,10281~1706060,00.html neilb

    Time to go.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Mistic1,

    Al used to give me reasons to be excited about football….but that was when I was a kid and didn’t understand that Eric Dickerson was old and useless….and so was Roger Craig….and so was (enter name of old vet here). New coaches every couple of years, and now head coaches that aren’t even qualified to coach college ball……

    I think Al has made some solid moves this offseason by demoting Cable and dumping Russell. But the draft is always a crap shoot. Prior to the draft Charlie Casserly said Rolando McClain doesn’t make many big plays, doesn’t cover well and doesn’t shed many blocks for his size…so I am not sold on the draft. Certainly better than drafting a WR with hands of stone, but we’ll see.

    I like the theory of Henderson, but he is ancient…

    I don’t like out LBs in pass coverage….

    We didn’t do schyt to address our o-line…couple of draft projects isn’t good enough. For someone who won SBs due to great o-lines, Al sure as hell avoids getting quality o-linemen…too stuck on trying to find big armed qbs, fast wrs and DBs to worry about the o-line I guess.

    Undrafted FAs for the FB position….can’t count on that.

    Marshall is still a DC who’s run D normally is in the bottom half if not bottom third in run D.

    Cable is still around the team as Timeout Coordinator when he should be using his limited coaching abilities to coach the o-line.

    I like Hue Jackson (because he has to be a better OC than Cable and he comes from a team that ran the ball)

    I still believe that Al made a mistake in allowing Rathman and that special team’s coach to leave….those were quality coaches who have yet to be adequately replaced.

    I like Campbell better than Russell obviously, and so I am holding out hope that defenses will have to respect our passing game at least a little this season.

    I like Murphy, but I still would like to see DHB catch a ball or two in actual games instead of being the ultimate zone clearer or whatever.

    I like Bush and McFadden….if we actually use them…

    I like our chances of getting to the QB….if we blitz with our new LBs…

    Still a ton of questions in my mind, but I certainly feel better about 2010 than I did about 2009…but by how much? Just a little…I am hoping for 8-8.

  • scootertramp

    Hey #145. Don’t forget Vann McElroy!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Terrence Cody passed his conditioning test and is now on the active list.

    Damn, kid must have done some Tae Bo in the last couple of days!

  • http://raiderthoughts.com RaiderThoughts.com

    A true legend will be missed!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Trade DMAC for Tom Rathman and Brian Schneider!

  • http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=eb53t3&s=5&hid=3&tag=my+pool Lynn from Snot

    # Dakota Says:
    July 28th, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Terrence Cody passed his conditioning test and is now on the active list.

    Damn, kid must have done some Tae Bo in the last couple of days!
    ====================================
    Either that or he threw up a ten pound ham.

  • priesttj

    Dakota

    My blitz happy friend, here’s a thought what if the defense can actually rush the QB without depending on th blitz. It’s like some of you can’t see past th blitz. The blitz can be an effective weapon but it’s not the end all to be all in defensive concepts.

    When you blitz you are actually xposing your defense as much as helping it. It depends on who you’re blitzing. IOW who the QB is and who you’re sending. All you guy’s ever think about when rushing the passer is the blitz. Playing great defense is playing great defense either you can or you can’t……….period.

    In my book you use your front4 if they struggle you have a guy for 3rd and long. An edge rusher in recent years it hasn’t matterd wether we blitzed or not we still sucked rusher the passer. A talented defense doesn’t need to blitz as often. Now coaches rely heavily on it because they don’t have the talent to get to the QB. The Indy Colts rarly EVER blitz they use those two edge rushers mainly. That’s how you play dominant defense.

    Now most will loook at the 3/4 scheme and say they blitz all the time. That is because that defense relies on and was biult to blitz. They are trying to use better athletes to get to the QB, with 7techigue types who drop and rush something they call the zone blitz. It’s a very different concept. But if you notice they rarely send more than 5 players and mostly only 4 which essentially a 4 man front it’s just utilizing different angles.

    We ran that same defense in the late 70′s early 80′s and won 2 SB’s with it. But man please get a better grasp as to what the blitz is all about.

  • Just Fire Baby

    LOL….I told everyone they were overreacting to Terrence Cody not passing the physical.

    What did that last, one day? He will be practicing and playing by this weekend, and probably will help improve an already dominant defense.

  • bcz24

    Pittsburg zone blitz scheme is one of the most effective in the league… but they have some big nasties on the line who effectively neutralize o lineman. It remains to be seen if we can do something like that this year, but I highly doubt we will approach anything close to Dick Lebeau’s ZB scheme

  • Just Fire Baby

    It isn’t as much about blitizing, as it is about being creative.

    You just blindly blitz, you will eventually get burned. If you just line up the same everytime, you will get burned.

    You have to show different looks, and make the QB have to think and re-think in those few precious seconds before the snap.

    We started to do this last year, and I expect to grow from it this year.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Priesttj,

    I agree with what you are saying. I am just not sure where the sacks are going to come from on OUR front 4…Seymour’s production is on the decline, so is Henderson, Kelly isn’t getting to the QB….in theory of course it is best to put pressure on the QB with the front 4….I just don’t see where we have the personnel to do so, thus I think Wimbley might be the key to getting pressure on the QB this season.

  • Just Fire Baby

    LMAO at the 1,000 yards rushing and 500 yards receiving prediction for D-Mac.

    Hey I will happily eat some crow and take that. But it ain’t happening. I think he could actually have more than 500 yards receiving, but he has shown nothing that supports he could handle an increase in his workload to the point that it would support those numbers.

    He’s missed 20% of his potential games, with three different injuries, while only getting around a dozen touches a game. If he give him 20+ touches every week, he might turn into dust.

  • mistic1

    @ Dakota,

    Your pont about the o-line is well taken, and i agree to a point. I think more work will be done to adress that next years draft, becuase the guys we wanted were off the board by the time we picked. You are right though great raider teams have always had the dominant line play. Rathman is a great coach, i was also not pleased he left, but we dont know what is money demands were. Cable is a terrible play caller, i think his strength is personal relationships. You can see that his players love him, now move over and let the x and o guys do their thing. Marshall is a good coordiantor that when he has the horses gets it done. the seattle seahawks rode his defense to the bowl. the elephant scheme is one of my favorites and is going to fit well here. 8-8 will be a really good start! I think 9-7 is where we will end up.

  • aig

    Of course they have to put Cody in there. He is a first round pick and they already guaranteed his money. But it doesnt mask the fact that he showed up to his first ever professional job out of shape. Cody = Jawalrus. Tons of potential and risk on personal behavior. Thank god Al Davis passed on him.

  • priesttj

    Dakota

    Wait a minute!!!! you named all the DT’s, you don’t rush the passer with DT’s you rush the passer off the edge. OUR edge rushers must do the job. Matt S primariy Houston, T Scott and the other kid what’s his name. You have to have guy’s who you feel comfortable with that can bring the heat. DT’s can somtimes push the pocket but primariy you use guy’s who are fleet of foot. Dez Bryant and Houston I think will prove very useful as far as an inside rush. But the main guy is Matt S he must show what I saw in college. This kid has the ability to be a premier edge rusher. So we’ll see what happens.

  • priesttj

    gotta go

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Priest,

    Seymour is our RDE in case you didn’t know that….

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    If he give him 20+ touches every week, he might turn into dust.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::

    HAHAHAHAHA. Tragic but true.

  • mistic1

    Zone blitz is awesome, but the press man to man is can be suffocating as well. A good press man to man will give you flexibilty to send the surprise blitzer from almost any position with out leaving as many holes open in your defense. The zb scheme leaves alot of holes, the trick is to disguise where it comes from so the qb’s and recievers have trouble finding the holes. The philly game last year showed what we can do with press man to man, mixing the elephant blitz. we couldnt rely on it last year becuase we lacked depth on the line and couldnt stop the run. philly isnt a great run team so we had the green light. lets see what we can do now that we have major upgrades on the defense.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Maybe with Houston here Seymour might move to DT on obvious passing downs next to Kelly…we’ll see. Hope it works.

  • J Wiggle

    You have to show different looks, and make the QB have to think and re-think in those few precious seconds before the snap.

    We started to do this last year, and I expect to grow from it this year.

    —————————————————–

    Agreed

  • Just Fire Baby

    Cody was a second-round pick.

    These humoungous DT’s are always at issue of being out of shape in camp, and most of them at least have a few years of kicking azz in the middle.

    Cody won’t have a long career, but he will help the Ravens defense at some point in his career.

  • CJ Legend 34

    Turn into dust LMAO!!!!

    I think he could gain a 1000 yards “if” he stays healthy and I know so far that is a big “if.”

    ————————————————–
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 28th, 2010 at 11:10 am
    LMAO at the 1,000 yards rushing and 500 yards receiving prediction for D-Mac.

    Hey I will happily eat some crow and take that. But it ain’t happening. I think he could actually have more than 500 yards receiving, but he has shown nothing that supports he could handle an increase in his workload to the point that it would support those numbers.

    He’s missed 20% of his potential games, with three different injuries, while only getting around a dozen touches a game. If he give him 20+ touches every week, he might turn into dust.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Of course they have to put Cody in there. He is a first round pick and they already guaranteed his money.

    ***

    AIG: Cody was actually a SECOND round pick, taken after the Raiders added yet another DE to the roster (Lamarr Houston) with nobody inside to clog the middle

    thank goodness John Henderson was available after the draft!

  • mistic1

    This year im sure we are going to see seymour line up all over the place as well as houston and scott, this is going to make our press / elephant very imaginative, and fun to watch! kelly suffered the last two years with warren as his running mate, and still was one of best at his position in terms of tackles made. Also sapp lacked the discipline to play gap control, with a more sound dt next to kelly, he can go back to his real strength penetrating the line. kelly and hendo will be a good tandem 1st and second down, and seymour moves inside on third to let our young guys bring the heat off the edge. Now if we can find a way to get mm#34 on the field with branch.

  • aig

    I stand corrected that he was a 2nd round pick. However that doest not mean that he already has guaranteed money and showed up to his first job unprepared. He has a track record of showing up out of shape. That says alot about who you are as a person.

    I think he will do fine for a few years in Bal but he would have never succeeded with the RAiders and Al Davis mgmt style of letting the players getting away with murder.

    Had he shown up out of shape for the Raiders, we would have made CNN ESPN NFL and especially Yahoo Sports front page with Mike Silver doing another hate article.

  • CJ Legend 34

    Does anyone think we need anoter RB with all of DMAC and Bush’s injury issues?

  • J Wiggle

    Agree with AIG and Priest …

    Glad we passed on Cody

  • RaiderRockstar

    what could go wrong from this point forward, besides injuries?

    -Henderson & Heard dumped in favor of Joseph & Boschetti

    -Higgins & Watkins dumped in favor of N. Miller & Holland

    -Howard & R. Brown dumped in favor of Nixon & Norris

    -S. Brown or Boyd dumped in favor of Eugene

    -Tonga or Moline dumped in favor of Reece

  • mistic1

    Cody is terdell sands, cant pass on the bisquits long enough to play in our defense. However he is a nice fit for a 3-4 scheme where he can platoon, and only play a couple of downs a series. Davis did the right thing, and hendu will help us stop the run.

  • Thec07

    LHouston was a DE, that was switched to DT as a junior..

  • aig

    One has to wonder if Nick Miller can be that dumpoff machine (like Welker) for JC.

  • RaiderRockstar

    McFadden will be a stud

    Cody will be a stud

    if you don’t agree, you’re wrong

    The End.

  • RaiderRockstar

    One has to wonder if Nick Miller can be that dumpoff machine (like Welker) for JC.

    ***

    trade Nick Miller for Julian Edelman straight up, let’s find out!

    NM is NOT Wes Welker 2.0

  • RaiderRockstar

    pretty funny that you guys don’t think big fat DT’s are useful in this league or that they only last 3 or 4 years!

    Ted Washington, Sam Adams, Grady Jackson, Jamal Williams, Albert Haynesworth, Kris Jenkins, Ryan Pickett, Pat Williams, etc suggest something quite different … even our very own John Henderson :)

  • aig

    RRS,

    Bro, you’re killing me here. Do your statements ever come with any fact to back them up?

    Cody has never taken a professional snap.
    Dmac has proven to be useless in his first 2 years. YES USELESS!!!
    We havent even seen Nick Miller in a regular game yet. From what we saw of him, he did well in the preseason in all areas they asked him to play.