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By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, August 3rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Sometimes the Raiders just can’t win, and we’re not talking about the last seven years.

To hear former Baltimore Ravens coach Brian Billick tell it in an interview on Sirius XM’s Mad Dog Radio, the whole Darrelle Revis holdout with the New York Jets can be laid squarely at the feet of the Raiders because they had the temerity to pay top dollar for their own prized cornerback.

“I think the big difficulty for this is the fact that the top cornerback contract in the league right now is Nnamdi Asomugha. And to let the Raiders, who are notoriously bad negotiators, to let them set the standard you now have to negotiate against, that’s a cap guy or a general manager’s worst nightmare,” Billick said.

“Because the agent for Darrelle Revis is simply going to say, `Hey, this is the contract we’re basing it off of.’ He’s not going to listen to, `No, no, that doesn’t count. That’s the Raiders.’ ”

A few points:

– Asomugha played his original contract to its completion, was an exclusive rights franchise player and then got his mega-deal before it happened again.

Revis has two years to go on his original deal.

– In a very tense season because of the additional year players needed to become an unrestricted free agent this year, Oakland quickly and quietly got all their tenders in without complaint.

Rather than play the low-ball game, as San Diego did with big-name players such as Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill, the Raiders paid top dollar and beyond (Stanford Routt comes to mind). They gave a second-round tender to a Pro Bowl long-snapper.

Say what you will about tender levels given to Routt, Hiram Eugene and Jon Condo, but they’re in camp and practicing. And their contracts aren’t guaranteed, by the way.

– Ownership just hates it when someone goes above the going rate, and Billick’s pro-management take is probably natural for a guy who’d like to be a head coach again.

Interesting Billick would invoke the “cap guy,” because there currently is no cap. The Jets are free to pay whatever they want, provided they’re creative enough to get around the 30 percent rule and spread out guaranteed money.

Like it or not, Asomugha is the contract standard. That’s how it works.

– If the Raiders are such bad negotiators, how is that with one notable exception they always have their draft class in on time? And very seldom have players complaining about money in the media?

If Asomugha is in uniform and Revis is not, which team is the bad negotiator?

Heading out for the afternoon practice soon. Barring news that requires an update, practice highlights can be found on my Twitter page.

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  • J Wiggle

    He will get the Oline in order-after all Rome wasn’t built in a day.

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    No first rd pick next year, so not sure what we can hope for in rd 2 or later. Especially since we are going to be picking in the bottom half of rd 2.

  • illintentions

    And who knows how well Hue can work with Mr. Davis? I think the situation is great right now, especially having Hue to bring that fire to the team… and Cable as the steady over-seer… the father figure many players never had, a principled man to lead them on the Good Path.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Rome wasn’t built in a day

    ***

    and the Raiders aren’t re-built after 7 years!

    get it together Al.

    find a quality coach for once and pay the man!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Jwigg: who do you want in the Top 40 next year?

  • priesttj

    Lefty12

    If you know me and I think you know what I’m going to say, he should’ve started with the Oline. He has had 2 drafts and 2 FA periods and he brings in schlubs nobodies. Give me one great player on that line just one. There is none and it’s his damn fault because that’s his bread and butter Mr Davis will trust him there first. Why are we sitting here with a bunch of nondescript players on that unit.

    All the Olineman in this years draft and we get VELDHEER???? what??? come on man!! this has gt to change and change in a hurry.

  • J Wiggle

    Comment From CasieCasie: ]
    Sounds like Ford might be pushing JLH out – any chance JLH does not stay on the team?
    Wednesday August 4, 2010 11:03 Casie

    11:03 jerrymac: Way too early to make that call, but yes, there’s a chance. But I think ideally, if they go to Ford, they’ll look to move JLH for a mid- to late round pick

  • RaiderRockstar

    the father figure many players never had, a principled man to lead them on the Good Path.

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    who ???

    Cable abuses women and asst coaches

    Sands punches Lechler on the plane

    the man is completely out of control

    just hit someone. nobody is off limits!

    hope Chaz keeps his feet clear of the juice cart on planes (away games). no further contact required

  • RaiderRockstar

    Jacoby Ford can’t align properly and Jackson calls for JLH

  • RaiderRockstar

    ideally, if they go to Ford, they’ll look to move JLH for a mid- to late round pick

    ***

    trade JLH to a winner!

  • J Wiggle

    [Comment From chappy chappy: ]
    Will Nick Miller make the final 53 man roster?
    Wednesday August 4, 2010 12:00 chappy

    12:01 jerrymac: If he does, then it’s certainly the end for JLH. Because Ford’s going to make it, and hard to imagine three smallish return-types on roster at same time in Ford, JLH and Miller.

  • priesttj

    We can get quality Olineman in the 2nd and 3rd rnds next year but first you gotta want to get ‘em.

  • JB

    The man, Cable, hasn’t won OR lost any games this year so let’s give him a chance. He started under a black cloud (you figure it out) and had a lot of other negative events around him to distract everybody involved. We had gaping holes in the player list and that definitely was not his fault. The list of problems goes on & on.

    This is a new year with a lot of good things happening. The biggest was the addition by subtraction – JaFatAss! He was the biggest anchor that just needed to go. He took everything around him down. We had by all valuations a great draft. We didn’t have any ridiculous FA signings. We added key coaching personalities. Our DC is a year more experienced and there has been a 40-45% infusion of new D starters. we have new O-linemen – at last! Our very young WR corps is a year older and appear to have matured a bit. Maybe DMac & Bush finally start earning their salaries this upcoming year. It certainly appears on the surface that we will be competitive this year, at least I hope so.

    It is far too early to be firing a HC right now. It’s too early to even be talking about it. We all want a winner but if we take out the command and control, the troops will flounder. That’s not why we are here. Let’s continue being supportive of our team & let’s get mentally prepared to deal with winning. It’s been far too long.

  • J Wiggle

    All the Olineman in this years draft and we get VELDHEER???? what???

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    Who should we have taken in rd 3 instead of Veldheer?

    I certainly don’t think we should have gone Oline in rd 1 or 2 instead of McClain and Houston.

  • J Wiggle

    [Comment From Luke Luke: ]
    When week one rolls around is Seymour starting at DE or DT?
    Wednesday August 4, 2010 12:07 Luke

    12:07 jerrymac: Looking like he’ll play a lot more DT this year.

  • JB

    As far as next years draft goes, we either trade up and take Wisnewski, Steve Wisnewski’s nephnew, or hope we can get Mike Pouncey, Maurike Pouncey’s brother at our 2nd round pick. In any event, the center position is our #1 need.

  • J Wiggle

    [Comment From Guest Guest: ]
    sounds like Jacoby Ford may really need to come into his own really early with Chaz up and down and DHB still a question mark..
    Wednesday August 4, 2010 12:12 Guest

    12:13 jerrymac: He may, but remember, this is not a big guy. I think he’d be more of a complementary receiver than an every-down guy who is going to move the chains.

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    Hear that JLH ????

  • priesttj

    I don’t know Jwigg I have to look at it again but man the way he was talking yesterday didn’t exude confidence that the kid was here. And we targeted this kid and he’s talking about finding a place for him as though he doesn’t know what to do with him. That bothered me.

    He should have in his mind a definitely place that this kid fits into or another not just let’s find a place. That’s crap, YOU drafted him why did you do it? it just doesn’t smell good………..period

  • lefty12

    Priest you constantly preach patience with our young players,yet you seem to have it in for Veldheer and want him rushed.

  • edward teach

    Priest,

    It sounds like (and I’ve heard him say things to that effect) that Cable feeels like on o-lineman is an o-lineman, and if you’re good you can play anywhere on the line.

    Kinda interesting given the specialization of positional players these days; do you think that maybe he saw Veldheer’s skillset and said “we’ve gotta have this kid; we’ll make it work somehow”?

  • bcz24

    Sounds to me like he really wants to find a place for the kid to get some snaps until he is ready to replace Henderson…

  • HayesDaze37

    It’s a great Camp day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?

    Just Fire Baby Says:

    Good to know the Sac Raider Rooters are on top of things.

    I sent out a quick e-mail to the Phoenix booster Prez from the Raiders website, saying we had about 8 people, and a few chicks, coming to the AZ game and seeing if they had any ideas for fun, tailgating, things like that.

    Guy gave me a one sentence response, “We are not doing anything special.”

    OKKKK buddy, sorry to bother.

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    Vegas — I don’t know who you talked to in Phoenix, but he is incorrect and/or misleading in telling you nothing special is planned down there for Raiders fans.

    Every year, the OFFICIALLY recognized booster clubs for the Raiders have one “Away Game” designated as an event. This year, that Away Game is in Phoenix (Glendale) vs the Cards. The members of official clubs had/have the option of buying a package which includes hotel/game tix/night-before-game casual dinner party, and other things.

    To be a member of an offical club is easy…just pick one from the web site that suits you, and see about joining. Usually, the costs are really low $25-$30, and you usually get a unique club shirt, and other things like discounts @ certain stores.

    One of the biggest events, and funnest times every year is the Away Game. If you’re interested in finding a booster club, use the link below. It might be too late to be included in this year’s away game package, but hooking-up with the right club is a lot of fun…with a lot of cool people.

    Disclaimer: I can’t make too much comment on the AZ guy’s reply, because I know a lot of clubs’ officers, and have my favorite groups (like Vaca-Valley and the folks in Sacramento). I know AZ used to have a few AWESOME clubs back in the day.

    Don’t think Raiders fans won’t be partying good in Phoenix this year…they’ll be all over the place, and all over the stadium on game day.

    If you want info on the away game activities, get in touch with a “Steering Committee” club from the following list — they’re the clubs that are involved with the major events:

    http://www.raiders.com/fans/booster-clubs.html

    Hope that helps…and NO, I don’t work for the Raiders or for the fan clubs.

  • HayesDaze37

    Sorry, Vegas — Just noticed you said you already used the web site…hopefully you’ll get a better result using it again. I’m sure some Raiders fans in AZ will be doing something. Good luck!

  • Kirk

    It’s really hot in AZ.

    Really, really hot.

    But the stadium is air conditioned.