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A footnote, but not an afterthought

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, August 8th, 2010 at 12:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.

For updates on today’s practice session at 3:30 p.m., check my Twitter page.

The three years Jerry Rice spent with the Raiders was a footnote that got reduced to an afterthought in his Hall of Fame speech.

Remove the 243 receptions, 3,286 yards and 18 touchdowns Rice scored with Oakland his career totals would be 1,306 catches, 19,609 yards and 189 touchdowns. That’s still 204 receptions more than Marvin Harrison, 4,401 yards more than Isaac Bruce and 14 more touchdowns than Emmitt Smith, the No. 2 leaders all time in those categories.

I understand why Rice’s induction speech was crafted as it was, with one scant sentence about his Raiders experience and an even longer one later about his “Dancing with the Stars” family.

Play up the Raiders too much and it puts more of a spotlight on the reason he went to Oakland in the first place _ a bitter end to his 49ers tenure which saw Terrell Owens catch 20 passes on his last day in a San Francisco uniform.

Near the end of his career with the team that made him famous, the 49ers didn’t know what to do with Rice. Coaches weren’t sure how to deal with a sullen living legend. Not only were the 49ers 10-22 in his last two seasons, but Rice had become a second wheel behind Owens in 2000, with Owens catching 97 passes for 1,451 yards and 13 touchdowns and Rice with a career-low 10.7 yards per catch and 75 catches, 805 yards and seven touchdowns.

It was Rice’s second straight season below 1,000 yards, he was 38 years old, and he looked at the end of the line.

Instead, the 2001 and 2002 seasons enhanced his legacy, with 83 catches for 1,139 yards and nine touchdowns in 2001 and 92 catches for 1,211 yards and seven scores in 2002 _ the last two 1,000-yard seasons of his career. It was an easy call for Al Davis to bring him aboard, given his track record of trying to squeeze the last bit of “greatness” out of great players.

Rather than be a secondary receiver to Owens, Rice was more or less on equal footing with Tim Brown, with whom he shared an interest in golf as well an impeccable manner of dress and style. He had a quarterback in Rich Gannon who revered Rice for his work ethic.

There was coach Jon Gruden, who seemed to understand the insecurities Rice talked about in his induction speech, constantly poking, prodding and cajoling, and always remind Rice that he was the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time) and never to forget it. He became the oldest player to score a touchdown in a postseason game with nine catches for 183 yards and a touchdown in a 38-24 wild card win over the Jets.

“I had fun, and that’s why I came here,” Rice said at the time. “I wanted to be a factor, and I wanted to win a championship. You’ve got to save your best performances for when they matter the most.”

He was a key part in the Raiders 2002 AFC championship in an offense opened up by Bill Callahan and offensive coordinator Marc Trestman, which was his last season among the elite receivers before finally beginning to show signs of age in 2003.

As it did in San Francisco, it ended badly in Oakland. A consecutive-game streak of 274 games with a catch ended in a 13-10 win over Buffalo, with Rice throwing a fit on the sideline, blaming coach and play-caller Norv Turner and then going to Davis and asking for a trade.

Still, Rice gave the Raiders more production than anyone could have imagined for a player his age, and his Raiders stats alone (243-3,286-17) dwarf those of anyone on the current roster. The receptions are the 10th most in franchise history.

In terms of catches and yards per game, Rice, Brown and Art Powell were the most prolific Raiders receivers.

(Fred Biletnikoff and Cliff Branch played on teams that ran more than they passed, bringing down their per game averages).

Powell averaged 4.535 catches per game from 1963-66, with Rice averaging 4.5 and Brown 4.46. Powell also leads in yards (80.2) followed by Brown (61.9) and Rice (61.4).

In the Canton archives, that might rate more than Dancing with the Stars, but he’s a worthy addition to this year’s Raiders media guide as the 19th player in franchise history to make the Hall of Fame.

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  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    And the idiot who wrote that Bill Walsh book is an expert? NEXT

  • MistaBrown

    Speaking of uninformed and stupid, did Fatt Runt finally run out of stimulus $$$ and lose his internet?

    A gift from God if he did..

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    # MistaBrown Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    My memory says his store was about 98% Raider gear with some 9er krap sprinkled in here and there. He had hats behind the counter of Baseball, Football, and Basketball….I think
    ****************************

    Only 49er crap he ever has had was plaques like Memorabilia shyt…never once has a 49er hat or even jersey like you see on the streets ever sold there Mista……I went in there at the beginning of the summer and told the worker bz in there what PEDO claimed and I swear she laughed as if i was Richard Pryor or something
    =============================
    Aww..so he DID SELL NINER STUFF???
    Yeah, lol..I know.

    And did you just say that you went in, on a special trip, and mentioned me?

    Damn..I have a groupy :)
    that’s so cool, lol.

    BTW..few years ago, as a joke, one of my neighbors, who’s a Niner fan, bought another Raider fan neighbor a Niner christmas ornament for the tree, from Villa’s in castro valley.

    Kind of funny that you find it so amazing that retail outlets, that sell football items, would completely shut off local buyers that support another local team.

    Only an idiot would do that, and Villa’s not an idiot.

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    I know it hurts PEDOchet, it hurts all you SF lovers about the truth but thats okay…..look PEDO you have alot to be excited about for the upcoming season…it seems your 49ers have inside track on the division…..you should go there and discuss those sort of things….me and my Raider brothers got Raider biz to discuss….stick with your own kind Gold Rush girl

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    # MistaBrown Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    My memory says his store was about 98% Raider gear with some 9er krap sprinkled in here and there. He had hats behind the counter of Baseball, Football, and Basketball….I think
    ****************************

    Only 49er crap he ever has had was plaques like Memorabilia shyt…never once has a 49er hat or even jersey like you see on the streets ever sold there Mista……I went in there at the beginning of the summer and told the worker bz in there what PEDO claimed and I swear she laughed as if i was Richard Pryor or something
    =============================
    Aww..so he DID SELL NINER STUFF???
    Yeah, lol..I know.

    And did you just say that you went in, on a special trip, and mentioned me?

    Damn..I have a groupy :)
    that’s so cool, lol.

    BTW..few years ago, as a joke, one of my neighbors, who’s a Niner fan, bought another Raider fan neighbor a Niner christmas ornament for the tree, from Villa’s in castro valley.

    Kind of funny that you find it so amazing that retail outlets, that sell football items, would completely shut off local buyers that support another local team.

    Only an idiot would do that, and Villa’s not an idiot.
    *****************************************

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is too funny….keep it going PEDO one day someone will believe you

    so PEDO you gonna go to Vella’s store and purchase a Patrick Willis Jersey? No Taylor Mays?

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    But notice people the great lengths PEDO will go to defend the 49ers?….but earlier he said if “we” beat dallas…..hahahahahahahahahahahaha
    ======================
    Don’t abuse the right to be confused.
    Defend the Niners?
    I torched your sorryass regarding info you posted about the Niners, simply because you were rambling off silly stuff, trying to make something stick.

    Like you are now…we’re talking about Eddie D, and the induction ceremony, and because you know you don’t stand a chance on that, you jump to Villa?

    Huh? lol…and toss in York??

    Called “grasping for straws”…and failing

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    Here it comes…..pumpkin….peanut…..LOL

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    But notice people the great lengths PEDO will go to defend the 49ers?….but earlier he said if “we” beat dallas…..hahahahahahahahahahahaha
    ======================
    Don’t abuse the right to be confused.
    Defend the Niners?
    I torched your sorryass regarding info you posted about the Niners, simply because you were rambling off silly stuff, trying to make something stick.

    Like you are now…we’re talking about Eddie D, and the induction ceremony, and because you know you don’t stand a chance on that, you jump to Villa?

    Huh? lol…and toss in York??

    Called “grasping for straws”…and failing
    ********************************

    You have no fire therefore there wasnt a torch…try again PEDO

    We are jumping to all your BS and if you didnt notice Mista asked a question regarding you and I….keep up buddy

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Kind of funny that you find it so amazing that retail outlets, that sell football items, would completely shut off local buyers that support another local team.

    Only an idiot would do that, and Villa’s not an idiot.
    *****************************************

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is too funny….keep it going PEDO one day someone will believe you

    so PEDO you gonna go to Vella’s store and purchase a Patrick Willis Jersey? No Taylor Mays?
    ===================================
    First you state Villa NEVER SOLD ANYTHING NINERS.
    Then, after Mr. B states ‘I saw stuff there”, you change your tune to “oh, but JUST that stuff”

    You ever get the idea you should contemplate whether or not you should engage in things you aren’t sure about?

    Like the raiders, or the niners, or football in general?

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    Defend the Niners?
    ************************

    Come on PEDO…..now you wanna front……not cool

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Here it comes…..pumpkin….peanut…..LOL
    ========================
    You’re such a toady, pumpkin :)

  • http://atm Raider O

    Rich,

    I agree about Bush. People are making an issue of a single incident. Bush is the best back on the Roster IMHO.

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Kind of funny that you find it so amazing that retail outlets, that sell football items, would completely shut off local buyers that support another local team.

    Only an idiot would do that, and Villa’s not an idiot.
    *****************************************

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is too funny….keep it going PEDO one day someone will believe you

    so PEDO you gonna go to Vella’s store and purchase a Patrick Willis Jersey? No Taylor Mays?
    ===================================
    First you state Villa NEVER SOLD ANYTHING NINERS.
    Then, after Mr. B states ‘I saw stuff there”, you change your tune to “oh, but JUST that stuff”

    You ever get the idea you should contemplate whether or not you should engage in things you aren’t sure about?

    Like the raiders, or the niners, or football in general?
    ************************

    Idiot go scroll up and try reading actually….this is beyond pitiful….notice I said only thing they have in there are memorabilia likethe autographed Joe jersey in a plaque we talked about or maybe another plaque….been said that, but you made it like shirts hats and jerseys are there as well like its a Bay Area store…..you are reaching but as your wife said you just cant get to that spot

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Here it comes…..pumpkin….peanut…..LOL
    ========================
    You’re such a toady, pumpkin :)
    ********************************

    Vintage PEDO lol

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    Hmmm..update…
    Thomas…you didn’t fare too well there.
    Villa..brought that up because you wisely backed off the “my source is a Niner poster on a Niner site” angle…but didn’t fare to well there either.
    Eddie D just gives ya the willys, lol…so I can understand you avoiding that crash and burn from way back when…

    That pretty much sums it up, I believe :)

  • Raider E

    Is it Vella or Villa?

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # Raider O Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Rich,

    I agree about Bush. People are making an issue of a single incident. Bush is the best back on the Roster IMHO.
    ************************

    Dont matter both he and DMAC will be basically splitting time

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Kind of funny that you find it so amazing that retail outlets, that sell football items, would completely shut off local buyers that support another local team.

    Only an idiot would do that, and Villa’s not an idiot.
    *****************************************

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is too funny….keep it going PEDO one day someone will believe you

    so PEDO you gonna go to Vella’s store and purchase a Patrick Willis Jersey? No Taylor Mays?
    ===================================
    First you state Villa NEVER SOLD ANYTHING NINERS.
    Then, after Mr. B states ‘I saw stuff there”, you change your tune to “oh, but JUST that stuff”

    You ever get the idea you should contemplate whether or not you should engage in things you aren’t sure about?

    Like the raiders, or the niners, or football in general?
    ************************

    Idiot go scroll up and try reading actually….this is beyond pitiful….notice I said only thing they have in there are memorabilia likethe autographed Joe jersey in a plaque we talked about or maybe another plaque….been said that, but you made it like shirts hats and jerseys are there as well like its a Bay Area store…..you are reaching but as your wife said you just cant get to that spot
    ========================
    Flea? wife takes? Seriously???
    Kind of means you’re throwing in the towel.

    Kindly refrain in the future, as the mods here have everyone on a short leash, and you seem to have this knack of when I start one-upping ya, you go out of your way to get banned.

    Ok, peanut? :)

  • Raider E

    or maybe Veilla?

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # Raider E Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Is it Vella or Villa?
    ——
    My bad…it’s Vella

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Hmmm..update…
    Thomas…you didn’t fare too well there.
    Villa..brought that up because you wisely backed off the “my source is a Niner poster on a Niner site” angle…but didn’t fare to well there either.
    Eddie D just gives ya the willys, lol…so I can understand you avoiding that crash and burn from way back when…

    That pretty much sums it up, I believe :)
    ***********************

    Ha a MSNBC update?

    It is common knowledge Joe Thomas was suggested by Al Davis…..too bad your agenda prevents you from admitting that….Joe Thomas done trades before with Al….NEXT

    I never backed off anything, I stand by what I say unlike you backtracker

    Sorry a 49er site admitting the truth pretty much puts you to shame…..try again

    Eddie D gives me the willys? HAHAHA are you Italian? Because you sure you really offended, hey yo whoooooooaaa!

    I crash inside of bzies and i burn their weed and money…………..try again PEDO

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # Raider O Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Rich,

    I agree about Bush. People are making an issue of a single incident. Bush is the best back on the Roster IMHO.
    ================================
    By far, IMO.
    He fights for yards, is not easy to take down, and isn’t injury prone.
    DMAC doesn’t fight for yards, goes down from a stiff breeze, and can’t stay off the injury list.
    DMAC is fast, but that’s about it

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Kind of funny that you find it so amazing that retail outlets, that sell football items, would completely shut off local buyers that support another local team.

    Only an idiot would do that, and Villa’s not an idiot.
    *****************************************

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is too funny….keep it going PEDO one day someone will believe you

    so PEDO you gonna go to Vella’s store and purchase a Patrick Willis Jersey? No Taylor Mays?
    ===================================
    First you state Villa NEVER SOLD ANYTHING NINERS.
    Then, after Mr. B states ‘I saw stuff there”, you change your tune to “oh, but JUST that stuff”

    You ever get the idea you should contemplate whether or not you should engage in things you aren’t sure about?

    Like the raiders, or the niners, or football in general?
    ************************

    Idiot go scroll up and try reading actually….this is beyond pitiful….notice I said only thing they have in there are memorabilia likethe autographed Joe jersey in a plaque we talked about or maybe another plaque….been said that, but you made it like shirts hats and jerseys are there as well like its a Bay Area store…..you are reaching but as your wife said you just cant get to that spot
    ========================
    Flea? wife takes? Seriously???
    Kind of means you’re throwing in the towel.

    Kindly refrain in the future, as the mods here have everyone on a short leash, and you seem to have this knack of when I start one-upping ya, you go out of your way to get banned.

    Ok, peanut? :)
    *************************

    Sorry my little 49er ballerina but I was getting banned before you came on here as PEDOchet so that angle just wont work….find a new one

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    I hope Jerry Rice is not persona non-grata now in Alameda because he didn’t mention Al Davis at his induction speech.

  • J Wiggle

    Raider O Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Rich,

    I agree about Bush. People are making an issue of a single incident. Bush is the best back on the Roster IMHO.

    —————————————————–

    Was there a football post I missed?

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # Richochet Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    # Raider O Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Rich,

    I agree about Bush. People are making an issue of a single incident. Bush is the best back on the Roster IMHO.
    ================================
    By far, IMO.
    He fights for yards, is not easy to take down, and isn’t injury prone.
    DMAC doesn’t fight for yards, goes down from a stiff breeze, and can’t stay off the injury list.
    DMAC is fast, but that’s about it
    ****************
    By far? HAHAHAHAHAHA hell no and DMAC isnt as strong as Bush obviously but to say he never fights for yards is a damn lie….actually he tries to take on more contact than Bush….for a 245 lb back Bush doesnt bull over people as he should

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # KoolKell Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    I hope Jerry Rice is not persona non-grata now in Alameda because he didn’t mention Al Davis at his induction speech.
    ***************************

    Damn that punk, I was hoping a sniper would take her out during that boring bumbling speech

  • J Wiggle

    DMAC is fast, but that’s about it

    ——————————————————-

    I think dude could bring a lot to the table if we can find a way to get the ball in his hands 15-20 times per game. I’d like to see about 15 carries and at least 5 receptions.

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # J Wiggle Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Raider O Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Rich,

    I agree about Bush. People are making an issue of a single incident. Bush is the best back on the Roster IMHO.

    —————————————————–

    Was there a football post I missed?
    ***************************

    Football will be on in a few hours……but for last 45 minutes or so I had fun kickin PEDO around likethe old days…..sure was fun but gotta go to a BBQ…..people gettin down onthe grill and the Tequila is flowing……YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

    JUST WIN

  • Jerry still Hating on the ROG

    # J Wiggle Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    DMAC is fast, but that’s about it

    ——————————————————-

    I think dude could bring a lot to the table if we can find a way to get the ball in his hands 15-20 times per game. I’d like to see about 15 carries and at least 5 receptions.
    *******************

    That’s the Jheezy I know………BAUCE…..see ya….and PEDOchet no one wants to be ya LOL

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    It is common knowledge Joe Thomas was suggested by Al Davis…..too bad your agenda prevents you from admitting that….Joe Thomas done trades before with Al….NEXT

    RICHO-I schooled you on that already. Part of the deal with the DeB’s getting the Niners was they asked Thomas BEFORE they even got the team if he would be GM. That’s because it’s a fact that Thomas had been attending DeBartelo family get togethers FOR OVER TEN YEARS. What part of that confuses you?
    BTW…Joe Thomas sucked as a GM.
    ———————————————

    I never backed off anything, I stand by what I say unlike you backtracker

    RICHO-Save it..no one buys it. You diversion reply, because your takes get shredded. However, if you mean you are stubborn, and refuse to admit all the times you are wrong, well, yeah, that one you got right.
    ————————————————–

    Sorry a 49er site admitting the truth pretty much puts you to shame…..try again

    RICHO-No, what’s SHAME IS THAT YOU DESPERATELY SEARCHED FOR INFO TO TRY AND BACK YOUR COMMENTS, and you found NONE.
    you then went, according to you, onto a Niner site, and asked about Thomas, and someone apparently said “oh, ok, yeah, that was it”..AND NOW THAT IS YOUR SOURCE???
    Seriously…IT’S LIKE SAYING MR IS A SOURCE BECAUSE HE POSTED THAT THE RAIDERS WERE GOING TO GO 5-11 AGAIN, and he posted it on a Raider site…see how silly your angle is?
    ———————————

    Eddie D gives me the willys? HAHAHA are you Italian? Because you sure you really offended, hey yo whoooooooaaa!

    Richo-Actually, it’s the word MAFIA that gets you shaking in your booties, lol. Hey, your the one who gets so worked up about it, not me. I just think it’s funny…
    =——————————–

    I crash inside of bzies and i burn their weed and money…………..try again PEDO

    Richo=High praise, lol….in deed.

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    # J Wiggle Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    DMAC is fast, but that’s about it

    ——————————————————-

    I think dude could bring a lot to the table if we can find a way to get the ball in his hands 15-20 times per game. I’d like to see about 15 carries and at least 5 receptions.
    *******************

    That’s the Jheezy I know………BAUCE…..see ya….and PEDOchet no one wants to be ya LOL
    ===================
    No, but you want to be just like me…and know that will never happen, Flea.

    Be comfortable that when you stumble, I’ll be there to lift ya up.
    It’s what I do :)

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # KoolKell Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    I hope Jerry Rice is not persona non-grata now in Alameda because he didn’t mention Al Davis at his induction speech.
    ====================
    That was surprising to me as well, Kelli..No mention of Al, and a single mention of Young and Montana, two HOF qb’s, who without them, he’s just a average receiver?

    Gave more mention of his dancing with the stars ‘group’.

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # J Wiggle Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    DMAC is fast, but that’s about it

    ——————————————————-

    I think dude could bring a lot to the table if we can find a way to get the ball in his hands 15-20 times per game. I’d like to see about 15 carries and at least 5 receptions.
    =============================
    Unfortunately platooning RB’s rarely works..it did with a couple of teams last year, but I think both need to get their rhythm, which many RB’s feel, and that’s only by reps, and not the feeling their inserted to see “how I’m going to do now”

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # Jerry still Hating on the ROG Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    ****************
    By far? HAHAHAHAHAHA hell no and DMAC isnt as strong as Bush obviously but to say he never fights for yards is a damn lie….actually he tries to take on more contact than Bush….for a 245 lb back Bush doesnt bull over people as he should
    ====================
    Again, you’re confused. When you come back you can clear up why it is that DMAC’s universal knock is that he tends to go down the moment he’s touched, and that some believe he even anticipates the hits, and is already on the way down once he’s hit.

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # J Wiggle Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Raider O Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Rich,

    I agree about Bush. People are making an issue of a single incident. Bush is the best back on the Roster IMHO.

    —————————————————–

    Was there a football post I missed?
    ============================================
    Referring to last year, where Bush had 3 consecutive carries, then took himself out for the following play to catch his breath.
    Many refer to that as him not being tough enough to play full time, instead of the fact that he had the wind knocked out of him.

  • J Wiggle

    Had the wind knocked out of him?

    I think that’s the first time I heard that.

  • J Wiggle

    Universal knock is overstating it a bit.

    I’d say that propoganda gets thrown out there by a certain anti DMAC crowd.

  • 30 year raider

    Mista can ya believe we have football tonight and then thursday we get our first look at the 2010 Raiders? Exciting times I tell ya cuz the A’s are 8.5 back and it will take a Boston Celtics type of collapse for us to win the West
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    SHUT YOUR STUPID DUMB AZZ FACE UP!!! THAT WAS NO CELTIC COLLAPSE U MORON THAT WAS A LAKER SHOVE IT IN YOUR FACE 16 TIME WORLD CHAMPION LOCK DOWN DEFENSE!!! SHUT THAT STUPID GREEN TEAM UP LIKE UR MOUTH NEEDS TO BE!!! TOOK YOU ABOUT 3 WEEKS B4 U GOT BACK ON HERE AFTER U TALKED YOUR STUPIDNESS!! CELTICS IN SWEEP CELTICS IN 5… LMAO YOUR A FOOL

  • 30 year raider

    ive been out of the loop for a min but im back now… ill be there at that stupid space ship on thursday wathing first hand what we have… ill be paying close attention the the oline and our pursuit defense… thats a big key there… how well we can recover defensevly once the the offense gets past our front 7… big LB’s now should be able to stop the run but will they be able to to pursue the ball carriers effectively..

  • hendu

    Ive been shopping at Vellas store for years. The Fremont store , now closed, never had niner stuff, except for once. I asked the clerk, What the frig is this? She laughed and said its a special order for a relative that has lost her way. Bri-n is right!

  • http://atm Raider O

    We should run an offense simlar to Gruden’s in 98-2000.

  • hendu

    Raider O,not a bad idea,except JC has a stronger arm, I think they will spread the field a bit more! Raiders!!!! out for a beer run

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # hendu Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Ive been shopping at Vellas store for years. The Fremont store , now closed, never had niner stuff, except for once. I asked the clerk, What the frig is this? She laughed and said its a special order for a relative that has lost her way. Bri-n is right!
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    Kind of ridiculous to state that any outlet only had something ONCE, isn’t it?
    I mean, did you go in every day? Don’t think so. Every WEEK? Highly unlikely..couple times a year maybe.
    As others stated, they’ve walked in and have seen Niner gear.
    Vella used to have lots of signings at his Castro Valley store, (Nap, Casper, Phil V I was at)and for two consecutive signings, he had the same Montana signed plaque there as you walked in..
    Bree initially stated Villa NEVER sold anything Niners, then changed it to “only that”..not a big deal…except to Flea ;)

  • hwnrdr

    30 year Raider…post 89! Agreed! It was the Lakers D that kept them in that game and when the O woke up…it was over…
    On that note, we can win the West…but we need great play from all 3 sides of the ball!

  • 30 year raider

    this is OUR YEAR I CAN FEEL IT!!! THE COHESIVENESS OF THIS TEAM IS MUCH MORE THAN WHATS ON THE SURFACE!!!THERE IS SOME SUBSTANCE FINALLY TO WHAT WE ARE DOING !!THE LINEBACKERS OUR BIG REAL BIG.. I AM WORRIED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS once someone gets around the corner.. can we pursue that will be the big question for our defense… as for our O can we protect jason and create some running lanes…

  • hendu

    post 94, Im sure villa may have sold much 9er stuff, but VELLA did NOT! RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!! ps, In the Fremont store, now closed,cant speak to Castro Valley, that being said, Its Raider Image now,and still,Bri-n is correct in his point, period! My Opinion

  • http://atm Raider O

    Run heavy, and pass to keep the Defense honest.

  • http://atm Raider O

    Hendu,

    Exactly. JC has a stronger arm than Gannon, so we can use that too.

    Run Heavy Offense, Take shots down field, and a good defense can win the AFC west.

    We Can Do It!!!!!!

    RAIDERS!!!!!!

  • http://www.nataliegulbis.com Richochet

    # hendu Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    post 94, Im sure villa may have sold much 9er stuff, but VELLA did NOT! RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!! ps, In the Fremont store, now closed,cant speak to Castro Valley, that being said, Its Raider Image now,and still,Bri-n is correct in his point, period! My Opinion
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    Obviously you state you can’t speak for CV, but you follow it by saying Bree is correct? HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF YOU DIDN’T GO TO CV??

    Oh…almost forgot…PERIOD. MY OPINION.