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Holland no longer on the roster

By Jon Becker
Sunday, August 8th, 2010 at 3:14 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Wide receiver and kick returner Jonathan Holland is no longer an Oakland Raider. Although the Raiders haven’t yet clarified what the move was, Holland’s spot on the roster has been taken by quarterback Colt Brennan, who was signed Saturday.
Holland, who was last seen on crutches after suffering an ankle injury during camp, was awaiting results of an MRI on his ankle.
The Raiders’ 2007 seventh-round choice never caught a regular-season pass. He returned 29 kicks last season.
NOTE: There will be no in-practice updates from Jerry McDonald. Jerry, though, will have a complete practice report later this evening.

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  • J Wiggle

    How about looking at it a different way ????

    Maybe Veldheer has some skills?

  • J Wiggle

    Chaz is NOT getting cut.

    What is he making, 100k?

    No big deal.

  • buckeyeraider

    Pretty typical first preseason game. Very sloppy.

    That 3rd string TE for Dallas looks good, though. Kinda like Meyers did for Oak last preseason.

  • itzSteve

    I am rooting for Veldheer to take the center job from Satele. The coaching staff is now realizing what Parcells knew in Miami…that Satele can’t handle a NT by himself. It would be sweet to see Veldheer pancake Cam Thomas…

  • YoungAmerican

    Because as soon as we drafted Houston, that enables us to move Seymour inside which is a way better option. The has to be a reason Thomas fell as far as he did. He will wind up starting for the Chargers only because there is no one there but him. He are gonna abuse him the regular season.

    ————

    But Seymour doesn’t play the nose. Kelly does. Kelly has shown exactly nothing since he got paid, and with all the other high-dollar, do-nothing players getting the ax in the offseason, it surprises me that Kelly is still around. Plus Thomas would have been a steal in the 5th round.

    The Chargers had veteran Ian Scott when the season began, and after getting a look at what Thomas can do Scott was cut. Even Ian Scott might be better than Tommy Kelly…

  • http://lizkauai.blogspot.com LizKauai

    Hi there. Just wanted to check in and get a taste of Raider fans and info about the team and the upcoming season.
    I’m a new fan from Hawaii and one of Colt Brennan’s many adopted “aunties” who loves football and is not shy about cheering on Sundays!

  • YoungAmerican

    Veldheer is a really intriguing option at center, especially in a 3-4 heavy division. But he has to learn the playbook first. The center has to be the smartest guy on the offensive line, and Veldheer is coming from a small school. He’s only had limited exposure to a pro-style offensive scheme. He might eventually take the center job from Satele, but it won’t be this season.

  • YoungAmerican

    Hello Liz! Don’t let the psychos here scare you off.

  • itzSteve

    # J Wiggle Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Chaz is NOT getting cut.

    What is he making, 100k?

    No big deal.
    ____________________

    it’s not about the money, the roster spot is the real value. It cripples teams when they have to carry injured players on the active 53. I’m just curious how long Schilens will be on scholarship?

  • YoungAmerican

    If Sam Williams has stuck for as long as he has, I’d say Schilens is safe for a while.

  • buckeyeraider

    Vegas,
    What would you think about your Giants making a move for ex-Red Adam Dunn? Washington put him on waivers. BSPN radio said SF was one team that might be interested.

    Guy could probably hit a baseball outta the Grand Canyon. Strikes out a ton, and is a big lumbering oaf in the field. Might be best as a DH, in fact.

    You said awhile back they need another stick. Might be an option.

  • J Wiggle

    I don’t see how a 7th rd pick is on scholarship.

    And a guy that has been described as our best receiver should not be on the cut line so quickly.

    A bit premature, IMO.

  • YoungAmerican

    I don’t see how a 7th rd pick is on scholarship.

    And a guy that has been described as our best receiver should not be on the cut line so quickly.

    A bit premature, IMO.

    ——————

    Definitely. The fact that when he’s healthy he produces more than any other receiver on the Raiders roster certainly counts for something.

  • itzSteve

    I have played the offensive line in my younger days and was on teams that had the guard making the calls. I don’t think it has to be the center who makes the call, but the smartest lineman. I find it hard to believe that Gallery or Carlisle aren’t just as smart as Satele is. Hell, if I was the coach, every lineman would know everyone’s job. The lineman who actually makes the call would be just verifying what everyone already knew…

  • fat kidd

    dallas vs raiders pre-season game a superbowl preview

  • J Wiggle

    So TK gets handled by Looper during one drill during the first week of practice and he should be benched in favor of Henderson.

    Gets handled by Veldheer on one play during week 2 of practice, and he won’t make it out of camp.

    Interesting.

  • hwnrdr

    Aloha Liz…I am a life long fan from Hawaii that now lives in California and season tix holder for the Raiders! I was happy when I heard Colt signed with the S&B!!! I wish him luck to make the team!!!

  • itzSteve

    # buckeyeraider Says:
    August 8th, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    Vegas,
    What would you think about your Giants making a move for ex-Red Adam Dunn? Washington put him on waivers. BSPN radio said SF was one team that might be interested.

    Guy could probably hit a baseball outta the Grand Canyon. Strikes out a ton, and is a big lumbering oaf in the field. Might be best as a DH, in fact.

    You said awhile back they need another stick. Might be an option.
    ________________________

    I would like to see Billy Beane go and get him. The A’s need some pop in the lineup. He would have be an upgrade over Jack Cust…LOL.

  • aig-raiders

    TK will not be cut because Al gave him the big money. However, TK has not been the same player since his injury and contract. TK was showing promise prior to the injury.

    Anyone who thinks Chaz and TK are going to get cut is just crazy.

  • buckeyeraider

    Wiggle and YA,
    That’s just the way it is nowadays. I’m not pointing fingers at anyone on here. Just society in general. It’s a microwave society. Instant gratification. 24 hr news and internet. 30 second attention spans.

    Nobody has patience for somebody to recover from an injury marred season, or heaven forbids, take a year or two to develop.

    DMAC,DHB..doesn’t matter…He sucks! He’s a bum! get em the hell outta here! Somebody actually advocated putting DHB on waivers….halfway through his rookie season. Crazy.

  • JB

    Maybe it’s time for Schilens to take Nick Miler’s non-IR position. Sounds as though Nick Miller may have returned in great form. I’d love to see him, through performance, put down all the nay-sayers.

  • J Wiggle

    But Seymour doesn’t play the nose. Kelly does. Kelly has shown exactly nothing since he got paid, and with all the other high-dollar, do-nothing players getting the ax in the offseason, it surprises me that Kelly is still around. Plus Thomas would have been a steal in the 5th round.

    The Chargers had veteran Ian Scott when the season began, and after getting a look at what Thomas can do Scott was cut. Even Ian Scott might be better than Tommy Kelly…

    ——————————————————

    So Cam Thomas the guy who slid all the way to the 5th rd is better than TK?

    Ian Scott ????

    You shouldn’t let his contract cloud you vision. I’m sure if the coaches thought Cam Thomas was a better fit for our defense, they would have taken him and but Kelly when the cut Warren?

  • J Wiggle

    TK will not be cut because Al gave him the big money. However, TK has not been the same player since his injury and contract. TK was showing promise prior to the injury.

    Anyone who thinks Chaz and TK are going to get cut is just crazy.

    ——————————————————-

    Bingo!

  • YoungAmerican

    I have played the offensive line in my younger days and was on teams that had the guard making the calls. I don’t think it has to be the center who makes the call, but the smartest lineman. I find it hard to believe that Gallery or Carlisle aren’t just as smart as Satele is. Hell, if I was the coach, every lineman would know everyone’s job. The lineman who actually makes the call would be just verifying what everyone already knew…

    ———–

    Well, I would argue that Satele is a mediocre center in a lot of ways. Maybe it’s just because it was his first season in this scheme, but he didn’t perform well at all. Morris held him off when he wasn’t even injured.

    While any of the offensive lineman can certainly make calls, it definitely helps if the guy who does it is also the guy snapping the ball to the QB.

    And I know what you mean about every lineman knowing every other lineman’s job. Ideally it should be like that. But when you’re working with a bunch of mediocre players (which outside of Gallery, the Raiders are), I think the focus is on just getting them to do their own jobs well enough to get by.

  • YoungAmerican

    So Cam Thomas the guy who slid all the way to the 5th rd is better than TK?

    Ian Scott ????

    You shouldn’t let his contract cloud you vision. I’m sure if the coaches thought Cam Thomas was a better fit for our defense, they would have taken him and but Kelly when the cut Warren?

    —————–

    Maybe, maybe not. At least he still has a lot of untapped potential. I would argue that TK has already hit his ceiling, and even that was years ago and he hasn’t been anywhere close since.

    Maybe playing next to Richard Seymour will help him turn it around. I hope so, because even if Kelly turns into an average DT it’ll help the Raiders out a whole lot.

  • J Wiggle

    I would argue that TK has already hit his ceiling, and even that was years ago and he hasn’t been anywhere close since.

    Maybe playing next to Richard Seymour will help him turn it around. I hope so, because even if Kelly turns into an average DT it’ll help the Raiders out a whole lot.

    ——————————————————

    R U serious?

    Statistically, TK was one of the top 10 DTs in the league.

    You don’t even think he is average?

  • YoungAmerican

    What statistics are you using to peg him as a top ten DT?

    He gets stood up at the line frequently, and has poor gap discipline.

    The thing about stats is that sometimes they lie. Statistically, Kirk Morrison was a solid player, too.

  • buckeyeraider

    Congrats to Dick Lebeau. Probably long overdue.
    Must have good genes. Dude doesn’t look 73. Could probably pass for 53.

  • YoungAmerican

    I couldn’t believe it when I found out that dude was 73. Unreal.

    Easily one of the best D-coordinators in league history. Not such a great HC, but we’ll let that one slide…

  • aig-raiders

    To top it off that dude LeBeau supposedly shoots his age in golf. That is so unfair.

  • aig-raiders

    We’re stuck with TK so all I want for him is to be avg. That should be good enough for us this year since we added depth there.

  • buckeyeraider

    Wise man once said there are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics.

    However, I think TK has generally been an underrated player. I think he takes so much flak because of his contract. He was the beneficiary of one of Al’s wild spending sprees of late. Based on what he is being paid, he should be more dominant.

    Sapp once said the guy has more talent than he ever had. I think, like alot of those big DT’s his motor runs hot and cold. Something caused him to go undrafted.

    Don’t like what I’m hearing outta camp, though. Worrisome. Shouldn’t be getting manhandled by camp fodder.

  • YoungAmerican

    We’re stuck with TK so all I want for him is to be avg. That should be good enough for us this year since we added depth there.

    ————–

    Yeah, Henderson obviously isn’t going to be a starter, so Kelly is going to stick this season. If all he does is occupy the blockers he’s assigned, the Raiders defensive will be much improved.

  • buckeyeraider

    *Not Veldheer. The other guy. Yesterday. Can’t think of his name.

    3rd rd pick hopefully not camp fodder.

  • priesttj

    J Wiggle

    why bother man? we go through this crap every year with the same lames man. Thye just don’t think anybody is good enough for that positiion except who they want. It is what it is, let ‘em whine.

  • aig-raiders

    loper

  • Just Fire Baby

    Pain Mcclain and an offense that can occasionally convert a 3rd and 8 will do much more for our run d than some 5th round NT.

  • buckeyeraider

    Thanks AIG.

    On the flip side, like hearing about my boy Bruce Campbell holding his own in a blocking drill vs. Big Bad John Henderson. Hope Henderson has something in the tank, though. Liked that signing and hope he helps shore up run D and short yardage.

  • priesttj

    Tommy Kelly has to be ready to play great on 9/12/10 until then just get ready.

  • buckeyeraider

    Vegas,
    As Jordan Palmer eats more turf, can’t help but laugh about your comment on slender Colt Brennan. Yikes. Hope the Raiders 3rd string line looks better than Cincy’s.

  • YoungAmerican

    Pain Mcclain and an offense that can occasionally convert a 3rd and 8 will do much more for our run d than some 5th round NT.

    —————-

    Well I would certainly hope so. McClain was a first-round pick for a reason. And of course, you’re right about our offense on third and long.

    But it’s pretty clear the defensive line has room for improvement. Lamarr Houston is going to be a big part of that. But Richard Seymour isn’t getting any younger, and if his play drops off and Tommy Kelly ends up being the best interior lineman on the team, the Raiders are not in great shape.

  • YoungAmerican

    All that said, I’m hoping Kelly can end up being the player Big Al paid him to be. We’ll see if that happens this season.

    Personally, I think getting some more young interior linemen through the draft isn’t such a bad idea.

  • http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll180/floresrd508/mcfaddenball.jpg SouthTexasRaider

    man i cant wait for the season to start….

    RAIDER NATION BABY!

  • priesttj

    YA

    My god man they got some young interior lineman named Des Bryant,Lamarr Houston and this kid Hearne and some I didn’t name. The Dline is better than it’s been in years. What is it your worried about? jesus!!

    They also rebiult the entire LBing corp what the hell else do you want?

  • priesttj

    There is only 1 player in the entire front7 from 2 years ago and still it aint enough.?!! what else?

  • YoungAmerican

    It’s likely that Heard won’t even make the team. He’s a converted offensive tackle, and an undrafted free agent signing.

    Bryant hasn’t seen a lot of action. He’s behind Seymour, Kelly, and Henderson on the depth chart. And if it ever comes down to him and Tommy Kelly on the offensive line… well, we went down that road last season. Did you like what you saw?

    The linebackers are definitely going to do much better this season. But they need a defensive line capable of occupying blockers.

    I like Houston and Shaughnessy at defensive end. Seymour is obviously a solid player, but is an aging veteran. Assuming that Desmond Bryant can eventually take over for Seymour and be even half the player Seymour was (which is a pretty huge assumption, as Bryant is another UDFA), he’s going to have to play next to someone. Maybe Houston and McClain have a ripple effect on the rest of the defensive line… maybe. But eventually the Raiders are going to have to dedicate some draft picks to legitimate interior line prospects. Lest we hinge our hopes on an aging vet and UDFA scrubs…

  • YoungAmerican

    I’m not even saying that the defensive line is going to be bad next season. I think the Raider defense is going to surprise a lot of people. But at some point you have to think long-term.

    The fact is, Tommy Kelly isn’t living up to the contract, and best case scenario, Richard Seymour has a few solid years left in the tank.

  • fat kidd

    new post

  • RaiderRetribution

    Of course the bigger news story is that the raiders did not sign Mr. J. Otis to be our backup QB to the back up Qbs during training camp and the first couple of preseason games.

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