Kelly, Routt remain part of grand plan
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, August 16th, 2010 at 2:35 pm in Oakland Raiders.
When the Raiders decided to spend a guaranteed $18.125 million on defensive tackle Tommy Kelly, no one was more surprised than Kelly himself.
When the Raiders dropped a first- and third-round tender on cornerback Stanford Routt, probably the only person who didn’t think it was out of line was Routt himself.
Kelly still has a penchant for jumping offsides at his new position at nose tackle and hasn’t been conspicuous in terms of blowing up running plays or rushing the passer.
Routt still has the classic look and speed of a Raiders corner, and breaks up the occasional pass as he did Monday during a 7-on-7 session defending Yamon Figurs. But entering his sixth season, Routt hasn’t established himself in the way his tender would suggest.
Unless the Raiders are simply sending out disinformation, get ready for a lot more of Kelly and Routt. Coach Tom Cable referred to Kelly’s work against the middle of the Raiders defense as “iron sharpening iron,’’ with the quality of play improving both sides.
Cable proclaimed Routt a contender to start with Chris Johnson opposite Nnamdi Asomugha, and talked of his improved professionalism Monday.
“I think there’s been a change in Stan in terms of how he works at it and the intensity that he’s working at it with,’’ Cable said. “It’s just like everybody, you want to see it carry over to the game, but I’ve been very pleased with him thus far.”
If you want to fall into the old Raiders cliché of players looking good coming off the bus, Kelly and Routt are Exhibit A and Exhibit B.
Kelly was discovered as an undrafted free agent out of Mississippi State, Routt a second-round draft pick out of Houston, where he was a sprinter as well as a cornerback.
Kelly is fine with moving to nose tackle, making room at the three-technique spot for Richard Seymour, saying, `We’re both going to get doubled, we’re both going to get chipped.’’
In a lively interview with a few reporters, Kelly was equal parts amusing and candid, allowing he was overweight last season _ “I was carrying a baby in my stomach’’ and embarrassed by having only one sack in 16 games.
(The baby, in this case would have well exceeded the largest human birth on record, because Kelly lost 35 pounds).
The sacks total tied Kelly’s career low in 2007 _ when he missed nine games after a torn ACL ended his season.
“I had to look in the mirror at the end of the season and ask, `Is it them, or is it you?,’ ‘’ Kelly said. “I can’t point my finger on them . . . I just gotta handle me. In the offseason, I’m going to try and get myself back in the best shape I can so they won’t have nothing to say.’’
Kelly came to the Raiders as a 295 pound end and said he got as high as 340 following ACL surgery. He hovered in that range last year.
It was a topic of conversation among offensive linemen, who wondered within their position group what Kelly’s weight would be when he got to camp as far back as OTAs.
“Some guys were like, `He might be 345 or 350, somewhere around there,’’ guard Khalif Barnes said. “But when he came in, the guy looked great . . . he’s looking slimmer, still strong and has that get-off.’’
Kelly said he arrived at OTAs at 315 pounds as opposed to 350 a year ago.
After practice Monday, he was doing squats with weights that looked like bowling balls with oversized handles, and later was seen working his arms with two heavy ropes that looked to have a circumference of eight inches each. He’s also doing boxing drills, the better to slap offensive linemen attempting to get a hand on him.
So instead of getting bigger to play nose tackle _ the position is traditionally occupied by players who look like fire hydrants _ Kelly slimmed down.
“You got to know your own skill-set,’’ Kelly said. “It’s kind of obvious after last year that I can’t play with that much weight and be the best kind of player I can be. You got to do what’s best and what fits you. I’m strong enough and tough enough to play the nose, so I’m not even worried about it.’’
At the time Kelly signed his contract, which topped out at $50.5 million over seven years, he it was the biggest deal ever for a defensive tackle. Considering he was coming off an ACL tear and not coming off a Pro Bowl or anything close to it, it came as a shock.
It came as part of the spending spree which also brought in Javon Walker, Gibril Wilson and a trade and new contract for DeAngelo Hall.
“The night my agent called me, I was like, `What the (bleep)!,’’ Kelly said. “It was a surprise to me, but you’ve just got to take the challenge.’’
Routt, on the other hand, said he expected the first- and third-round tender which will pay him $3.268 million _ a hefty figure for a player who has just four starts in the last two years and 31 overall in 95 games.
“I really wasn’t surprised, based on the longterm deal we were negotiating at the time,’’ Routt said.
Routt didn’t know exactly what to make of Cable’s suggestion that he has an improved attitude.
“I appreciate the kind words, but in my opinion, my approach hasn’t changed,’’ Routt said. “I just go out every day to get better, and whatever happens, happens.’’
More news and notes:
—Updates for the second session can be found on my Twitter page, but won’t be available Tuesday or Wednesday. I’ve been farmed out for two days as a sub to cover the 49ers.
Steve Corkran will handle blog items in my absence.
-– RB Darren McFadden (hamstring) did not practice, nor did WR Paul Hubbard (hamstring), TE Tony Stewart (undisclosed), QB Charlie Frye (wrist), LB Sam Williams (concussion), and DE Jay Richardson (knee).
WR Jacoby Ford (quad) and WR Chaz Schilens (foot) did not practice in the padded session but Cable said they would work in the afternoon session.
Frye and Richardson are scheduled to see specialists.
– Practice began with a live goal line session with the offense at the 2-yard line. Jason Campbell fumbled the snap back to the 4, but the offense scored in two plays with Alex Daniels carrying 3 yards to the 1 and Michael Bush scoring the touchdown, breaking the tackle of Rolando McClain at the goal line.
– McClain and Sebastian Janikowski returned to practice after missing two sessions each for personal issues. McClain declined comment following practice.
– Bush left the field house carrying a box with a brand new bowling ball. A grudge match with fellow pinmeister Mario Henderson, perhaps?
“I don’t know, but if it happens, I’m ready,’’ Bush said.
– Center Samson Satele victimized for a sack of Campbell by Junior Siavii against the Cowboys, was willing to fall on the sword.
“Just go off of what you saw,’’ Satele said. “If it’s me it’s me. It is what it is. It’s preseason.’’
– Judging from the way reps were distributed, Bruce Gradkowski stepped back into his backup role ahead of Kyle Boller.
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August 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
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August 16th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
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Mistic, first off, the 2002 Raiders were an offensive team. They were not a defensive team. Whatever complimentary defensive stats they had that year were due to an offense that was nearly unstoppable for most of the season. Noting Rod Woodson’s huge interception in the Denver game, I’d still submit that we did not in ONE GAME in 2002 because of our defense. Woodson’s pick was the spark that ignited a reawakening of our offense.
Back to the Giants, and Woodson, for this matter. It was Rod Woodson who said on ESPN a couple of years ago that NOBODY in the NFL runs man as much as the Raiders do. Should I believe you over him, and why?
August 16th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
mistic1 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
I have never absolved Davis when he screws something up
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Fair enough.
So who do you blame for screwing up the team we had when Gruden and Gannon were here?
August 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
It was actually Al Davis’s bi-polar meltdown at the end of the 2001 season, where he gave our coach to Tampa Bay, which set up our devastating loss in Super Bowl 37.
August 16th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Records from 2003 until present:Raiders 29-83;Lions 28-84.
August 16th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
i’m still traumatized by kelly’s moon shot in denver. that was fugly…
August 16th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
“WR Chaz Schilens (foot) did not practice in the padded session but Cable said they would work in the afternoon session”.
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Does he EVER fning practice? Chaz is a walking injury settlement waiting to happen.
August 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
It was actually Al Davis’s bi-polar meltdown at the end of the 2001 season, where he gave our coach to Tampa Bay, which set up our devastating loss in Super Bowl 37.
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Do you or will you EVER STFU?
August 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Lefty, thanks for the correction. The Detroit Lions are the worst NFL team since 2003, with the Raiders one game behind. I think I made this mistake before, too. But I think I also mentioned that at least the Lions hired a new GM. The Raiders have made no moves as far as the front office goes.
August 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
# A Smithsonian Institute Janitor Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
It was actually Al Davis’s bi-polar meltdown at the end of the 2001 season, where he gave our coach to Tampa Bay, which set up our devastating loss in Super Bowl 37.
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Do you or will you EVER STFU?
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Ooooh. An internet tough guy. I’m frightened. I really am. Don’t read into the sarcasm.
August 16th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
In a lively interview with a few reporters, Kelly was equal parts amusing and candid, allowing he was overweight last season _ “I was carrying a baby in my stomach’’ and embarrassed by having only one sack in 16 games.
(The baby, in this case would have well exceeded the largest human birth on record, because Kelly lost 35 pounds).
The sacks total tied Kelly’s career low in 2007 _ when he missed nine games after a torn ACL ended his season.
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Commitment to Excellence
August 16th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
“I had to look in the mirror at the end of the season and ask, `Is it them, or is it you?,’ ‘’ Kelly said. “I can’t point my finger on them . . . I just gotta handle me. In the offseason, I’m going to try and get myself back in the best shape I can so they won’t have nothing to say.’’
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JWiggle, I am happy that TK realizes his play last year was unacceptable. Hopefully Big John Henderson is pushing this guy to be his best.
Man was the interior of that line terrible last year
August 16th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
JB Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
IMO, it was Robbins absence that lost us the SB.
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Sure, if Robbins was there, Tampa’s defensive players would have totally forgotten everything Gruden went over with them about Callahan and Trestman’s playcalling and Gannon’s tendencies.
August 16th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
# mistic1 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
# Richochet Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 11:47 am
# mistic1 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Did Al Davis over pay for kelly, yes but Davis philosophy has always been spend the money and get the guy you want.
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Sure, Antonio, here’s a 50 mil contract…I WANT YOU.
Gabril? Oh dude, I really WANT YOU AS WELL…here’s 35 mil.
Javon? You spray expensive champagne..I WANT YOU, TOO…how much? 55 mil? That’s all? sure,..no problem.
Kwame? Are you still the worst tackle in the league? You are?..I STILL WANT YOU..how’s 10 mil contract sound?
Kelly? Torn ACL? Defense improved from 5.2 ypc to 4.7 after you went out with your ACL? MAKES SENSE TO ME…HERE’S 50 MIL FOR YOU, TOO.
Yeah, when Al wants someone, he throws bushels of money at them.
Problem is it’s obvious these players aren’t worth the contracts Al offers, and even worse is that Al changes his mind shortly after deciding this player is “the answer”.
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I said that Davis spends the money on the guys he wants, I didnt say it always works out well. You cant have it both ways, ask yourself would you rather have a model like the browns, or cradinals, where they dont pay players? At least Davis has the balls to pull the trigger, very much like jerry jones, steinbrenner, and others. This is why we rarely have people hold out for money. This is also why people are willing to come to the silver and black evnthough we havent been winning.
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Yeah, you CAN HAVE IT BOTH WAYS…what are you babbling about?
You’re saying you can’t choose to pay out money to quality players, THAT DESERVE IT, while not throwing wasted money at players who likely shouldn’t even be signed?
Makes no sense.
Walker had just had an acl…DID NOT DESERVE A CONTRACT, much less a 50 mil contract. As it turned out, Al blew it.
Antonio Hall was massively overpaid. Just when he started to get the scheme, Al releases him, after having paid him a mil a game.
Gabril Wilson gets massive contract, then is released after a year.
Kwame gets a 10 mil contract, and is benched..
See where this is going?
No, you do NOT HAVE TO THROW STUPID MONEY OUT THERE…and “players are willing to come to the Silver and Black’?? lol…what planet are you from?
Even when huge bucks are thrown at players, they don’t want to come (See Seymour)..drafted players don’t want to sign..(See Crabtree).
What you’re saying is if you massively OVERPAY A PLAYER THEN THEY WILL GLADLY TAKE YOUR MONEY TO THE BANK, EVEN THOUGH THEY AREN’T PRODUCING?
Of course they will…see MOSS.
You don’t have a clue. Borrow $5 and see if you can buy one.
August 16th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
JB Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
IMO, it was Robbins absence that lost us the SB.
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SLUGGO SEAM, SLUGGO SEAM….
Was not on Robbins..that was on the head coach, who stupidly kept the whole playbook AND cadences..which truly made him the dumbest head coach on the dumbest team.
August 16th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Good thing Kirk Morrison was a 3rd round pick still on his existing contract. Had he received the payday that TK received….he’d still be messing up the middle of this defense
August 16th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Interesting article from the Redskins perspective:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/08/jason_campbells_preseason_raid.html
Jason Campbell’s preseason Raiders debut
(By Sharon Ellman – AP)
This will probably be a running bone of contention between me and you all season. You think Jason Campbell is a real gentleman who was treated poorly by the Redskins in all sorts of ways. You’re hoping for him to excel in Oakland to prove the Redskins wrong. You think all he needs is a little stability and trust, and that he can excel in the NFL, even in the Black Hole.
Me, I think Campbell was a real gentleman, a great friend to the media, a gem in the community and a genuine role model. But I also think he was a below-average NFL quarterback who held the Redskins back for years.
I’ve never been able to forget the way the offense took off the year he was injured and Todd Collins took over, or his 20-32 record as a starter. So I figure he’ll struggle horribly in Oakland, and Donovan McNabb will pretty much immediately end any Campbell nostalgia.
Anyhow, Jason Campbell made his Oakland debut last night. Sure, it was a preseason game, but dang if it didn’t feel awfully familiar. He was 7-of-13 for 49 yards and a passer rating of 62.7. His offense produced a total of 0 points when he was on the field, through the first series of the second quarter. The reviews were decidedly meh, like this one, from the San Jose Mercury News:
It didn’t take much imagination to convince yourself that you were watching the 2009 Raiders offense. Under Campbell’s guidance, the Raiders managed only 68 yards and four first downs on four drives without scoring any points.
And yet Campbell remained optimistic, talking about a deep pass that was caught out-of-bounds, for example.
“We missed it by a half-step,” Campbell said. “That shows you there is a reason to be confident about things.”
That sounds familiar, too. But go ahead. Draft him in your fantasy league. Bet on the Vegas over of six Raiders wins. Keep calling me a hater. I can take it.
August 16th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Stanford Routt gets burned more than microwave popcorn. He is usually the guy getting burned for big yardage in the highlight reel. He has sucked BAD up til now and his tender offer was insanity. If he improves well enough to start opposite Nnamdi, I will eat my words, but I am confident that he is still the worst cover corner in football. He sucks.
Tommy Kelly doesn’t suck to the degree that Routt does, but I don’t think he will ever play to the level that justifies the amount of money he is making. He should be a shoo-in to the Pro Bowl every year for that kind of bank and he ain’t even close. That having been said, I think he can still prove to be a valueable asset on D where Routt is a liability every time he steps onto the field.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Man DC sucks. You couldn’t pay me to live here.
Was a lot more fun years back, or so I remember.
Anyways, good to see Bruce set to get some game action this weekend. Should, at the very least, help judge both Campbell and Boller.
Talked to some hardcore ‘Skins fans today over lunch (co-workers). Talked about Campbell, and the general consensus is that they liked JC, but very happy to have Donovan.
One guy told me he was pissed we got Rock Cartwright. Said he was a guy who could take a kickoff back 50 yards, come in on 3rd down packages and pickup the blitz, than go make the tackle on the ensuing punt/kickoff.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Cable responds when asked about how Routt is doing…
“I have been very pleased with him in camp. I think there has been a change in Stan with his intensity and how he works at it, and it is like everybody, you want to see it carry over to the game but I have been very pleased with him thus far”.
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Routt camp highlights:
Murphy caught previous pass short of stake, fake left Routt sprawling
Todd Watkins smokes Stanford Routt deep right sideline, Boller hits him in stride
to untrained eye he looks worthy of being nickel bach ahead or Routt.
Colt Brennan gorgeous throw right sideline catches Todd Watkins in stride vs. Stanford Routt
Guests give a cheer when Campbell’s 50-yd pass finds Murphy on post vs. Routt, Branch
Campbell executes play-fake and although rainbow slightly underthrown, Murphy has beaten Routt by enough to slow up, make catch.
Campbell finds Murphy open in middle vs. Routt
Kyle Boller o-throws Jonathan Holland, who beat Stanford Routt, to post
Stanford Routt, beaten by Louis Murphy on short rout, talks to DB coach Lionel Washington and heads off field
August 16th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Rockstar,
Kelly & Routt are on the scholarship program. Nothing more.
I wonder how JWiggle will respond to TK’s self critique of his horrible season last year.
Glad he gave birth…..
August 16th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
edward teach Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
4th and 1; good call, not good execution. Had the pass been caught Hue Jackson would have been praised to no end in here for thinking outside the box and everybody would be talking about what a breath of fresh air he brought to the team. About how his creativity would take us to new heights, how all of our weapons would all of a sudden become the scourge of the NFL, and questions would start to arise as to how far we could go in the playoffs.
You know, the normal reactions to a single play or two in the first preseason game.
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Nope…bad play call regardless!
Right when I saw teh formation of spread 4 wides, I was like WTF??
Be pysical and POUND the rock, or at least call a higher percentage pass play.
Throwing a slant there is no good.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
mistic1 Says:
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Thats why you don’t call a spread 4 wide pass play.
Low percentage.
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Since when is RAIDER FOOTBALL PERCENTAGE FOOTBALL????
besides this is preseason so there could be any number of reasons why that play was called, this does not mean that plays will be called that way when we go live.
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Exactly….lets hope that was a just pre season “test” play call.
Seeing that call in a real game situation would cause me to be up in arms wondering WTF?
August 16th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
‘Sup fellas.
RRS,
You even left off my favorite Routt “lowlight” of camp, the one that made me cringe when I read it.
I think it was Grads who had to bark at him pre-snap” Stan are you in or out”? while Routt stood there with a sheepish grin. Didn’t know if he was supposed to be on the field or not.
I thought WTF? Guy sounds like a complete ‘tard.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
So instead of getting bigger to play nose tackle _ the position is traditionally occupied by players who looked like fire hydrants _ Kelly slimmed down.
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I’m leary of this.
Didn’t Sapp lose weight, suck and then retire? Didn’t Sands show up skinnier and then was dumped?
Hope TK can finally play thats all. He’s a beast on Madden 11 lol!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
I wonder how JWiggle will respond to TK’s self critique of his horrible season last year.
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What do you mean how will I respond?
You guys are hilarious!
My response is BJ Raji sucks, lol!
The DTs were NOT the problem with our run D last year, the DEs and LBs were.
Evidence? ALL 5 of them were replaced!
Why are we still talking about this?!?!?
ALL FIVE DEs+LBs were REPLACED!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
20. Yup.
And aren’t our wides supposed to be the suckiest sucks that ever sucked a suck?
August 16th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
26. So was Gerard Warren
August 16th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Thank you Mykle!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
I’m strong enough and tough enough to play the nose, so I’m not even worried about it.’’
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Why did you leave this quote out SnB?
What do you have to say about him LOSING 30lbs to play NT? Instead of being the 340 fat ass that you want there?
August 16th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Chaz may be our only hope at WR.
Murphy has big-play ability and I like his swagger, but seems he isn’t having the best camp. DHB is still an enigma, Ford is already on a bum wheel and a rookie, Watkins is well Todd Watkins and JLH just makes you want to pull your hair out at times.
Sadly, a tiny white guy from Southern Oregon some of the most excitement of our WR group. That is never a good thing.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
17. Doesn’t this Ellman bish know Campbell’s the next Jim PLUNKETT?!!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
SnB
you’re so full of crap man it’s coming out of your ears, He said nothing about his play being horrible. He said he should’ve been in better shape to play at his best. Big difference than saying you’re horrible. He had 1 sack out of the 3tech position anyone who saw him could tell he was way too heavy. When he played at 305 he was dominant. Last year it seems he played at 340 that’s almost 50 lbs heavier than a 3tech should be. Normally a 3tech should 290-300 and disruptive. Seymour right now IMO is playing a bit heavy for that position Des Bryant is more the coreect size.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Actually the slant pass is a high percentage play used by every team in the league.If the ball doesn’t get tipped at the LOS,it is a completion-very difficult to stop.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
If you think he was horrible then YOU say it don’t put words in someone else’s mouth.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
So instead of getting bigger to play nose tackle _ the position is traditionally occupied by players who looked like fire hydrants _ Kelly slimmed down.
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I’m leary of this.
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So you think he should’ve stayed at 340?
Sapp dropped down to like 280. It was ridiculous.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
In a lively interview with a few reporters, Kelly was equal parts amusing and candid, allowing he was overweight last season _ “I was carrying a baby in my stomach’’ and embarrassed by having only one sack in 16 games.
(The baby, in this case would have well exceeded the largest human birth on record, because Kelly lost 35 pounds).
The sacks total tied Kelly’s career low in 2007 _ when he missed nine games after a torn ACL ended his season.
“I had to look in the mirror at the end of the season and ask, `Is it them, or is it you?,’ ‘’ Kelly said. “I can’t point my finger on them . . . I just gotta handle me. In the offseason, I’m going to try and get myself back in the best shape I can so they won’t have nothing to say.’’
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Priesttj, JHill,
TK was bad last year. Hopefully he can turn it around.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
“iron sharpening iron”
lmao yeah right…more like fat pudding slapping against weak azz o-linemen like Cooper and Satele.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Kirk Morrison was bad last year too. Fortunately he wasn’t lavished with a huge contract and we were able to move him on out of here.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Chaz may be our only hope at WR.
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Said the same thing this weekend, lol.
Murphy and DHB have not “arrived” yet. Plain as day. Murphy shows some signs, but you have to be really high on the kool aid to think he is a down in and down out threat.
I actually think JLH is more of a threat at this time than DHB and Murphy, and he’s what 4th on the depth chart.
Chaz BETTER be healthy and we BETTER use DMac in the passing game if we want to roll.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
TK was bad last year. Hopefully he can turn it around.
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Ok SnB …
Thanks for the update!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Life is about 2nd chances. TK is getting his 2nd chance to make a 1st impression.
Hopefully he has lost those bad habits that got him in trouble and is ready to dominate at his position….last year was bad year for him and the defense
August 16th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Interesting article Raidertay.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Actually the slant pass is a high percentage play used by every team in the league.If the ball doesn’t get tipped at the LOS,it is a completion-very difficult to stop.
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This is true…it can be a big azz play with the box packed on short yardage.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
“The night my agent called me, I was like, `What the (bleep)!,’’ Kelly said. “It was a surprise to me, but you’ve just got to take the challenge.’’
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Jezuz we need a GM, or at least a money guy like Bruce.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
As for the passing game, the most important skill is moving the chains. Forget the downfield stuff for a while. That’s not going to happen until this offense demonstrates and ability to protect the passer, complete the short throws and run the ball.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Jeez….hearing all that silly talk of the old looney man Al saying JC being the next Plunkett during the Dallas game was ridiculous!
Sheesh…
August 16th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Kirk Morrison was bad last year too. Fortunately he wasn’t lavished with a huge contract and we were able to move him on out of here.
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You mean like the QBs huge contract that Al just swallowed and cut him?
You guys and your scholarship theories, lol!
If TK sucked like you think he did, why wasn’t he cut like Wilson, Hall, Russell, etc?
August 16th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Don’t know what it means that JLH was playing with the 5th string at the end of the game last week.
Could be both good or bad, I am not really sure.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
I think it shows poor judgement on Hue Jackson and Tom Cable’s part to not make sure DHB catches a pass or two. Don’t want to over react to one preseason game. In the bigger scheme of things, it won’t mean a thing. In a couple of weeks it will all be forgotten.
However, when your controversial top 10 pick had the nightmare rookie season he had, and you’ve spent all offseason talking up how much better he looks. Even going so far as to put out a bizzare press release after one OTA. You might want to throw more than one pass his way. Get the guy involved.
Set the tone right away, this is going to be a new year.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
As for the passing game, the most important skill is moving the chains. Forget the downfield stuff for a while. That’s not going to happen until this offense demonstrates and ability to protect the passer, complete the short throws and run the ball.
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MOVING THE CHAINS and sustaining drives is VERY important, because it will also keep the defense fresh!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
It’s nice to hear Raider fans talking about moving the chains, long drives, keeping the defense rested….getting back to the type of system we had when Gruden was here, and that Kiffin was at least trying to implement. Of course, I just hope Al Davis has the same ideas. So far, haven’t seen it.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Tommy Kelly has done such a good job that despite facing constant double teams, he was the NFL’s 14th most productive of all D-linemen, including defensive ends.
Of all NFL defensive tackles, he was the fourth most productive.
Based on production, Tommy Kelly is the best player on the Raiders D-line. Yes, even better than Richard Seymour and Trevor Scott.
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Sorry RRS!
Hey SnB, any thoughts on this?
We missed you last week.
4th most productive DT in the league? With a baby in his stomach?
Wow!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Jamarcus, DHB, McFadden, Kelly, etc..the Raiders pay tens of millions of dollars for players with no talent.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
In fairness to Hue and Cable, they tried to go to DHB on the very first pass of the preseason.
DHB didn’t come back to the ball very well, and JC threw it way late, and it was almost picked 6 on THE VERY FIRST PLAY, lol!!
Kind of glad they scrapped it from there.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Kirk Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Jamarcus, DHB, McFadden, Kelly, etc..the Raiders pay tens of millions of dollars for players with no talent.
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You left yourself off that list Mr. Morrison…
August 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
I guess everybody must have known Plunkett would do what he did. The Raiders were laughed at for keeping Plunkett it was viewed as a waste of time.
Already the book is closed on Jason Campbell after one exhibition game. Some of you guy’s are down right funny..lol
August 16th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
I don’t follow other teams but I wonder some of them must have some bad signings and wasted money too, but man it has been a ridiculous amount on trash huh?
August 16th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
JHill,
TK said it himself “I was carrying a baby in my stomach’’ and embarrassed by having only one sack in 16 games.”
He had a poor year last year and didn’t live up to his expectations. He’s gotta step up and be the boss this year. He’s the last piece of the front 7 that was here for most of the run defenseless era.
No excuses for my boy TK, this is his year to shine. He’s given birth and he’s motivated.
Time to shine
August 16th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
There is no need to be delusional and getting Raider fans hopes up by saying that JC is the next Plunkett.
The old man Al is just talking out of his azz.
No need for comparisons to other past great players.
Just let the players be their own men and try and build their own football legacy.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
“Some of you guys are down right funny”-I don’t know if funny is the proper word.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
I wouldn’t say that I am writing Jason Campbell off, but I was expecting more.
Had to check myself and realize that he really didn’t have any WRs in the game. Murphy and DHB are still raw, and Chaz was out.
I expect him to look much better with DMac and Chaz in there. A fully loaded gun if you will.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
J Wiggle Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Tommy Kelly has done such a good job that despite facing constant double teams, he was the NFL’s 14th most productive of all D-linemen, including defensive ends.
Of all NFL defensive tackles, he was the fourth most productive.
Based on production, Tommy Kelly is the best player on the Raiders D-line. Yes, even better than Richard Seymour and Trevor Scott.
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Sorry RRS!
Hey SnB, any thoughts on this?
We missed you last week.
4th most productive DT in the league? With a baby in his stomach?
Wow!
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Kirk Morrison was the most productive linebacker last year in tackles….
Tyvon Branch the “most productive” safety in terms of tackles.
I hardly think those two situations merited any celebration
August 16th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Al Davis is playing a game – he showing the rest of the NFL, “See how I take care of my player? Come play for me!”
It will probably work in the end – I just hope I’m not in retirement by the time it pays out.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
SnB,
Just because someone doesn’t play up to their own expectations doesn’t mean they had a bad year.
4th most productive DT in the league = bad play?
Tough crowd!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
I would relax on the Jason Campbell predictions. He will be fine.
WHat is in question are the tools around him. Especially wide receiver and O-Line
August 16th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Kirk Morrison was the most productive linebacker last year in tackles….
Tyvon Branch the “most productive” safety in terms of tackles.
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Says who?
August 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
priesttj Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
I guess everybody must have known Plunkett would do what he did.
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Al Davis certainly had no clue. Al had no faith in Plunkett, at all. Why he retained Plunkett I don’t know, but Plunkett was nothing more than a backup in Al’s eyes. Wanted Pastorini to start in ‘80, and Marc Wilson in ‘83. Good thing they both got hurt, but that wasn’t Al’s plan.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
62. Wurd up J Wigg. Not exactly runnin’ the balls out secret playbook with the full compliment of weapons in pre season week one.
Plenty of time to go…
August 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
How much truth is there to the short leg/large upper body theory Papa, and Plunkett were yapping about when discussing Veldheer’s plus as a center?
August 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
I was impressed with some things in Campbell, quick release, strong arm, perfect spiral all the time (really does throw a beautiful ball).
But the same thing that has bugged him was still present. The “just missing” of things. He has been “just missing” things for over 50 starts now. And the quickness to take what the defense gives him on 3rd down. On the 3rd down pass to Zack Miller that was 5 yards short of the sticks was him in a nutshell. Dallas rushed 4, he had a beautiful pocket to step into a throw, had nobody around him…..and gave-in and completed a two yard pass. You can do that occasionally, but you can’t do that all the time.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
priesttj Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
I guess everybody must have known Plunkett would do what he did.
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Al Davis certainly had no clue. Al had no faith in Plunkett, at all. Why he retained Plunkett I don’t know, but Plunkett was nothing more than a backup in Al’s eyes. Wanted Pastorini to start in ‘80, and Marc Wilson in ‘83. Good thing they both got hurt, but that wasn’t Al’s plan.
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The way Al tells it he gave Plunkett a year to sit and get acclimated…
August 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
If Dmac’s & Chaz’s injuries linger on throughout Camp, look for the Raiders to start slow this season. Feeling their way through the first part of the Reg Season. Instead of coming out and making a statement from the jump.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
71. I agree. Campbell’s not the polished game winner we want BUT he’s at least willing to WORK and improve!
He’s got some pretty good coaches that he will actually listen to.
Not expecting the world right away but its a postive step I think…
August 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Well I’m not concerned about TK and Seymour at DT!
Like he said …
`We’re both going to get doubled, we’re both going to get chipped.’’
I think that is all MOST people would want outta their DTs is for them to take on 2 blockers and clog up the middle. Just like they did against Dallas.
So what if TK gets moved backwards 2 yds from time to time? The other guys are getting paid too.
TK got moved back 2 yds on the sweep play to Barber and some people lost their frickin minds. Never mind that the play only gained 3 yds, lol!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
# Raiderbuck Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Al Davis is playing a game – he showing the rest of the NFL, “See how I take care of my player? Come play for me!”
It will probably work in the end – I just hope I’m not in retirement by the time it pays out.
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The whole league is on to Al Davis’s strategy, he’s been doing it for years. Revis’s agent is using the Raiders’ salaries as leverage right now. If, worst case scenario, Revis holds out into the season, the Jets are improving so much elsewhere that the team still improves from last year, even with Revis’s loss. Jets are going nowhere but up. That’s how the good teams in the league deal with Al’s strategy. They don’t rely on one player.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
If Dmac’s & Chaz’s injuries linger on throughout Camp, look for the Raiders to start slow this season. Feeling their way through the first part of the Reg Season. Instead of coming out and making a statement from the jump.
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We could get another last second surprise like Seymour. Aquire some vet at a position of need maybe?
August 16th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
J Wiggle Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Kirk Morrison was the most productive linebacker last year in tackles….
Tyvon Branch the “most productive” safety in terms of tackles.
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Says who?
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J Wiggle Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Kirk Morrison was the most productive linebacker last year in tackles….
Tyvon Branch the “most productive” safety in terms of tackles.
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Says who?
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Jhill, tackles stats don’t mean much. Both Morrison and Branch were in the top 10 of the league in tackles….of course we know those numbers were the result of bad front-7 play. How many TFL’s did TK have last year….anyway…from http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2009&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go
1.Patrick Willis SF ILB 152
2 London Fletcher WAS MLB 142
2 Barrett Ruud TB MLB 142
4 Jon Beason CAR MLB 141
5 Ray Lewis BAL ILB 134
6 Brian Cushing HOU OLB 133
6 Curtis Lofton ATL MLB 133
6 Kirk Morrison OAK MLB 133
9 David Harris NYJ ILB 127
10 Tyvon Branch OAK SS 124
August 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
J Wiggle
post #26 says it all why go any further with that guy or these guy’s. Coaches don’t keep players they don’t want TK is still here…………period
August 16th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
I almost want Campbell to think of himself as not a 65% passer.
In this offense, if he is completing 65% of his passes, he will be taking the 3 yard checkdown on 3rd and 8, and completing those meaningless two yards passed to the FB.
FCK all that, chuck it down the field. I don’t see many 11 plays 83 yard drives from this team anyways, so try to get big chunks and heave it or hope for a PI call.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
76.
Sure you can look at it like he’s some crazy ole coot who has to beg people to play for him by backing up the dump truck,but the way Davis pays guys also says “I’m a players owner” and the way he pays guys can damage another teams season without even playing a snap.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
priesttj Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
J Wiggle
post #26 says it all why go any further with that guy or these guy’s. Coaches don’t keep players they don’t want TK is still here…………period
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Well, also remember that the interior of the line was the problem too.
Seymour is now the 3-tech, signed Henderson and put Money Warren on the road to a backup spot with New England.
TK is being given one last shot at the NT position.
I still think TK is the weak link based on his own self-admitted poor play last year.
Let’s hope he can push that pocket and occupy those blockers so Rolondo McClain doesn’t bust out too!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
76.
Sure you can look at it like he’s some crazy ole coot who has to beg people to play for him by backing up the dump truck,but the way Davis pays guys also says “I’m a players owner” and the way he pays guys can damage another teams season without even playing a snap.
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We gotta starting winning games man!
August 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
78. Yuck. Yeah some of those leading tacklers were on winning teams.
With our record and cellar dwelling stats tackles in the hundreds don’t mean as much.
August 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
83. Oh man, you know it!!! C’mon Raiders!!!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
TK playing NT????? Probably not so good, but the overall D-Line Rotation should be pretty good.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
SnB,
I know you are smarter than that.
DTs don’t make tackles 5 yds down the field. TKs tackles were at or near the line of scrimmage.
We ALL know Morrison’s problems were his MISSED tackles and bad anlges that gave up BIG PLAYS at least twice a game.
A S making tackles 10 yds downfield mean nothing either.
But again, are you really trying to say TK was downfield making tackles like Morrison and Branch?
CMon!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
I almost want Campbell to think of himself as not a 65% passer.
In this offense, if he is completing 65% of his passes, he will be taking the 3 yard checkdown on 3rd and 8, and completing those meaningless two yards passed to the FB.
FCK all that, chuck it down the field. I don’t see many 11 plays 83 yard drives from this team anyways, so try to get big chunks and heave it or hope for a PI call.
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JFB,
Sounds like the offense that was run by another ex-Redskin QB name Schroeder many years ago.
That’s not going to win man. they have to complete those short and intermediate throws to move the chains. The passing offense has to get to at least “serviceable”
Relying on deep chucks down the field will just result in 53% completion percentages and 12 points a game
August 16th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Westbrook to SF
August 16th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
If Dmac’s & Chaz’s injuries linger on throughout Camp, look for the Raiders to start slow this season. Feeling their way through the first part of the Reg Season. Instead of coming out and making a statement from the jump.
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We could get another last second surprise like Seymour. Aquire some vet at a position of need maybe?
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Oh yeah..right…because Seymour was SOOOO effective last year.
He tried for one game…..one..after that he disappeared.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Ok SnB ..
I guess since you are hoping he becomes dominant this year, I guess I’ll just roll with you on that one.
Wouldn’t mind a dominant DT at all.
But this crazy talk of he needs to be replaced? Well show me a better player and I will be happy to have him. Dez Bryant and William Joseph are NOT those guys.
And John Henderson is a 25 snap player these days according to everyone not named ROG or RRS, lol.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Come on Vegas,we all know we aren’t going to get that PI call.As for Campbell,he might not be a top tier QB,but he is light years better than what we had the last 3 years.We should wait until after the 1st 3or 4 real games before predicting doom and gloom.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
At this point, I really don’t care if TK or Henderson starts. They are both going to play and they should be just fine.
Dline is SOLID!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
TK playing NT????? Probably not so good, but the overall D-Line Rotation should be pretty good.
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I know.
Err body freakin out over TH at NT but the fact is he’ll probably only be there on passing downs. Me thinsk they forget Henderson’s supposed to be part of the equation and they may or may not keep 900 lb Kellen Heard of elephants.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
SnB,
I don’t think the offense is going to get much beyond “servicable” on most Sundays.
The offense was at it’s scoring best last year, game one, Pitt and Cincy game, getting big chunks of yards.
I don’t see many games like the Philly game, where dumpoffs to Gary Russell continualy get 10 yards. And I don’t see us getting many long drives. That short stuff last week got zero points.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
90. Always half empty. Plain to see you’re no daisy. Why, you’re no daisy at t’all…
August 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
If you guys are so down on TK last year at 3 tech, man I can’t wait to hear the critics when it comes to Seymour at 3 tech with the $ he’s making. Anything short of pro bowl starter and the haters will be in full force.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Westbrook to SF
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Coffee substitute no doubt
August 16th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Lefty,
No doom or gloom, Jason will have some great games, he always has a few a year.
But the guy just seems like one of those likable guys who is good barely enough to keep his job while losing.
Hope I am dead wrong, and you can make fun of me and tell how much of an idiot I was.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Click if you want bish if you must.
Without Otto there may not have been a Raiders…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/legends_of_the_silver__black
August 16th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Lefty,
No doom or gloom, Jason will have some great games, he always has a few a year.
But the guy just seems like one of those likable guys who is good barely enough to keep his job while losing.
Hope I am dead wrong, and you can make fun of me and tell how much of an idiot I was.
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Nah, no ones gonna call you an idiot.
We’re all on the same side here and love the Raiders right?
Besides we’re all grown men, mature and secure enough not to call names and diminish ourselv…oh yeah, wait a min…
August 16th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Despite the difference in opinions on the DTs, I think we can all agree that this defense as a UNIT look MUCH better than it ever has.
Even Stan Routt didn’t give up a pass completion last week!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
JHill,
TK admitted he wasn’t up to standard last year. If he steps up his game and plays to his “ability” then this team can shine.
I’ve said this about a lot of Raider players of late. They are paid to be superstars and many times are just average (on their very best day) and just plain plodding on the rest.
If TK steps his game up, with Seymour, then it all comes together. I am an inside out guy who has not been happy with the “inside” for several years.
All I am saying, its time for TK to man up.
Just like DMAC, DHB, Schilens and Michael Huff have to man up and start playing the doggone game.
JaDavis was a millstone around the neck of the Silver-N-Black to be sure….but he wasn’t the only reason this team has blown chunks the last few years.
Our players have to start playing.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Vegas-you may be totally correct about him.I won’t tell you, you were right or wrong as I’m not sure what he is yet either.Actually when I mention doom and gloom,I am referring to some others on here.I guess what I’m trying to say is we shouldn’t get all worked up one way or the other over 1 or 2 PRACTICE games.We’ll need time to see what we actually have.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Lefty12
Jason Campbell is officially a bum based on the critics in here. One guy wants him to throw it deep the other guy wants something else. I say let him play the game the best way he sees fit. As long as it’s productive and gets results I couldn’t care less if he walked the ball down field and handed it to players. Just get it done.
I can’t believe some of the people in here they’re never happy unlees something is doen the way THEY want it done.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
I’ll gladly trade endless hours of name-calling and beign called a mindless rube for a playoff appearance!!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Westbrook to SF
^^^^^^^^^
Niners will win the SB now!
Yeah….riiiiiight! LOL
August 16th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Westbrook to SF
^^^^^^^^^
Niners will win the SB now!
Yeah….riiiiiight! LOL
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ha!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
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August 16th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
RRRRAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRSSSSS!!!!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
29-83 there are going to be critics, ok?
Get that through your cultist head!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 15th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Plunketthead Says:
August 15th, 2010 at 11:35 am
I agree Al made more then his share of mistakes.
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He’s the worst owner in sports today.
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Al Davis is not the worst owner in sports today. That title goes to Lew Wolf and the Fishers, the owners of the Oakland A’s. In fact Al Davis is a good owner compared to those knuckleheads.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
JFB,
I’m going to take my place as the excuse maker for the QB, lol. If I may pick up where I left off last season ….
A QBs best friends are the Oline and the WRs. In our case, to say we are still sorting those areas out would be kind.
Big question marks at C, RG, and RT for starters. To borrow a phrase from Jerry, to my untrained eye Satele and Carlisle have ZERO push. ZERO!
DHB and Murphy are promising 2nd year guys. Promising meaning we are still waiting on them. I actually believe they will arrive sooner than later, but at THIS time, it is what it is. Chaz and JLH are the two best WR options for our QB and for whatever reason, they are not on the field much.
Get Chaz, DMac, and JLH on the field at the same time and you might see a decent offense.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
WHy are you guys so down on Jason Campbell?
If Schilens and Murphy are healthy….the O-line does a decent job and Bush is allowed to pound the rock…the offense should be somewhere between serviceable and decent.
Campbell won’t be the leading cause of any problems on that offense…..its up to receivers getting open and catching the damn ball and the o-line blocking
And having Hue Jackson call a modern offense
August 16th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
priesttj Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Lefty12
Jason Campbell is officially a bum based on the critics in here. One guy wants him to throw it deep the other guy wants something else. I say let him play the game the best way he sees fit. As long as it’s productive and gets results I couldn’t care less if he walked the ball down field and handed it to players. Just get it done.
I can’t believe some of the people in here they’re never happy unlees something is doen the way THEY want it done.
^^^^^^^^
All Hue needs to do is run the football effectively….move the chains and mix it up when passing the ball and take advantage of mis matches.
Trying to force the ball down the field 80% of the time when calling pass plays would be stupid.
Hue needs to run an effective screen game as well to the RB’s and the fast WR’s like DHB, Ford and JLH and Miller.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Agree with post 113.
Just add pounding the rock with Bush to the equation
August 16th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
If Schilens and Murphy are healthy….the O-line does a decent job and Bush is allowed to pound the rock…
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I have a bridge to sell you
August 16th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Priest,they do the same with many players.i totally agree that some aren’t happy unless it is done their way and with the player they want it done with.This bs with TK is a perfect example.I’ve read some say if Henderson doesn’t start we will suck.They never consider that both Bryant and TK will beat him out.If that happens would we be better starting someone who was beaten out of playing time by 2 players.It makes no sense.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Jerry…
Make sure you double knot your shoelaces before you go over to cover the 9er’s camp..
Wouldn’t want to have to re-tie them in front of those fans….
August 16th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
A QBs best friends are the Oline and the WRs. In our case, to say we are still sorting those areas out would be kind.
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I always thought a QB’s best friend was a stud RB.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Off the top of my head …
Walker false starts on a manageable 3 and 4, and turns it into 3rd and 9.
Satele gets beat for a sack and we end up in a 3rd and 15 sitation.
These are the QB killing situations that we have to avoid.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
If you don’t occasionally complete a 20 yard pass, screens and power runing isn’t going to be worth an ear of corn (especially with this line).
We saw this last year with Jamarcus. Without a dominant line, or at least the threat of completing a down the field pass play, all that short stuff is just going to get your WR’s killed, and your RB ubber frustrated.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
I always thought a QB’s best friend was a stud RB.
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If that QB sucks, then yeah.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Westbrook just signed with the 49er’s a good fit. With Coffee retiring Westbrook will see playing time backing up Gore. Should Gore get injured HC Singletary will have a quality back up in Westbrook. I told you Westbrook was going to sign with the 49er’s once Coffee announced his retirement, that the Niner’s are a playoff contender (at least winning their division) I do believe sealed the deal.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Agree with post 113.
Just add pounding the rock with Bush to the equation
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When’s the last time the Raiders “pounded the rock”????????
2000, Ty Wheatley??????
That’s what they should have doing the last few years.
If Mr Davis will butt out and take DHB with him………maybe Hue Jackson would go in that direction.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
repost
Mistic, first off, the 2002 Raiders were an offensive team. They were not a defensive team. Whatever complimentary defensive stats they had that year were due to an offense that was nearly unstoppable for most of the season. Noting Rod Woodson’s huge interception in the Denver game, I’d still submit that we did not in ONE GAME in 2002 because of our defense. Woodson’s pick was the spark that ignited a reawakening of our offense.
Back to the Giants, and Woodson, for this matter. It was Rod Woodson who said on ESPN a couple of years ago that NOBODY in the NFL runs man as much as the Raiders do. Should I believe you over him, and why?
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You can try but you cant get around the fact that the giants are a base 4-3 defense, and they use press man coverage behind it. Granted not as much press man as oakland, but its still the same concept. The patriots dont blitz as much as the steelers but it is still a zone blitzing 3-4! Face it base 4-3 with press cover does work in todays nfl………………………….
So who do you blame for screwing up the team we had when Gruden and Gannon were here?*************************************************
Gruden and Davis were to blame. Gruden wanted more control and more money, Davis did not want to budge. rather than letting gruden walk and get nothing Davis made the only move he could ( besides giving gruden what he wanted) and traded him. I think in hindsight both men could have been more flexible.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
@ Ricochet,
Im afraid you missed missed my point. Davis spends the cash on guys he thinks will work. He isnt right all of the time but who is? You Cant have it both ways!!! Im saying i as a fan cant say that im glad davis is a gambler that spends on what he believes and then trash him when his picks and free agents dont work out. You win some and you lose some, i personally like Al’s river boat mentality, when we lose its ugly but when we win we win big.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Speaking of screen plays …
Just thought of another play from the Satele/Carlisle duo.
That fist screen play to Bush where Satele and Carlisle both run RIGHT PAST Spencer to block someone else. NO ONE blocks him and he takes Bush down on a well set up screen.
Satele frustrates the heck outta me Priest!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Jerry, if you drop your keys while across the Bay… kick them to Oakland.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Not a fan of Satele either, would like to see Jered get a series with the one’s this weekend (or at least with the 1-B’s).
But before I see Jered perform against some good competition, I’m not proclaiming the 6′8 rookie from Sean Hannity’s favorite D-II college a move in the right direction.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
KoolKell, JFB,
If the Raiders go out here and try to recreate the 70’s and 80’s with the deep passing game and all…they will fail miserably.
If they go out there and recognize that running the ball and getting those short throws are the key and stick with that game plan…the team will be manageable.
THe offense still has a lot of holes in it. To expect it to look like the Colts is unrealistic.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
# KoolKell Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Agree with post 113.
Just add pounding the rock with Bush to the equation
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When’s the last time the Raiders “pounded the rock”????????
2000, Ty Wheatley??????
That’s what they should have doing the last few years.
If Mr Davis will butt out and take DHB with him………maybe Hue Jackson would go in that direction.
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I just dont get it, this is a raider blog right? All of our super bowl winners were power running teams, “Pounding the rock”. Raider philosophy has always been smashmouth, the only real departure was in gruden callahan, trestman era. Even then it made since to go to a passing game only becuase of the fact you had rice brown and garner, it would have been foolish not use their talents.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
KoolKell, JFB,
If the Raiders go out here and try to recreate the 70’s and 80’s with the deep passing game and all…they will fail miserably.
If they go out there and recognize that running the ball and getting those short throws are the key and stick with that game plan…the team will be manageable.
THe offense still has a lot of holes in it. To expect it to look like the Colts is unrealistic.
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Exactly!
Run the ball effectively, execute screens effectively, sustain drives, take what the defense will give you, and then pick your spots and take stabs deep!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
– Center Samson Satele victimized for a sack of Campbell by Junior Siavii against the Cowboys, was willing to fall on the sword.
“Just go off of what you saw,’’ Satele said. “If it’s me it’s me. It is what it is. It’s preseason.’’
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Thank you Satele. That’s exactly what I saw. You getting blasted off the line of scrimmage. Nothing further for me to say. Kindly remove yourself from the football field and let a more capable center replace you.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
J Wiggle Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Speaking of screen plays …
Just thought of another play from the Satele/Carlisle duo.
That fist screen play to Bush where Satele and Carlisle both run RIGHT PAST Spencer to block someone else. NO ONE blocks him and he takes Bush down on a well set up screen.
Satele frustrates the heck outta me Priest!
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Yep…that was sloppy from both those guys!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
“Blogger”, they do the same with many players.i totally agree that some aren’t happy unless it is done their way and with the player they want it done with.This bs with “Carlisle” is a perfect example.I’ve read some say if “Campbell” doesn’t start we will suck.They never consider that both “Carlisle and Barnes” will beat him out.If that happens would we be better starting someone who was beaten out of playing time by 2 players.It makes no sense.
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August 16th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
To expect it to look like the 2002 teams is unrealistic to me.
This team is not built to be a long-drive team. Surely that is the way to go in the long-term, but what have you seen (crappy O-line, one RB, an unproven QB, crappy WR’s) makes you think we are going to go out and dominate offensively and control the clock?
Our best chance to score is to get 40+ yards on a play, not successfully string together 6 plays without a penalty or O-line gaffe, for 40 yards.
Sorry, until I see otherwise on the field with this team, your not going to change my opinion on this.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
– Center Samson Satele victimized for a sack of Campbell by Junior Siavii against the Cowboys, was willing to fall on the sword.
“Just go off of what you saw,’’ Satele said. “If it’s me it’s me. It is what it is. It’s preseason.’’
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Thank you Satele. That’s exactly what I saw. You getting blasted off the line of scrimmage. Nothing further for me to say. Kindly remove yourself from the football field and let a more capable center replace you.
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Yep….thats why Jared needs to be given a shot at Center with the 1B’s.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Did you see Peyton Manning take the first posession right down the field for a TD against the 49ers?
NO QUARTERBACK, can master a different Offense every year.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
KoolKell, JFB,
If the Raiders go out here and try to recreate the 70’s and 80’s with the deep passing game and all…they will fail miserably.
If they go out there and recognize that running the ball and getting those short throws are the key and stick with that game plan…the team will be manageable.
THe offense still has a lot of holes in it. To expect it to look like the Colts
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I hate to break the news but the ny giants just used that exact formula for a super bowl win 2 years ago. Vertical passing game DOES NOT MEAN DEEP ON EVERY PASS!!!!!!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
To expect it to look like the 2002 teams is unrealistic to me.
This team is not built to be a long-drive team. Surely that is the way to go in the long-term, but what have you seen (crappy O-line, one RB, an unproven QB, crappy WR’s) makes you think we are going to go out and dominate offensively and control the clock?
Our best chance to score is to get 40+ yards on a play, not successfully string together 6 plays without a penalty or O-line gaffe, for 40 yards.
Sorry, until I see otherwise on the field with this team, your not going to change my opinion on this.
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OLine is not good enough to give JC time to throw deep every other play.
Forcing the ball downfield will get this offense and the whole team nowhere fast!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
JFB,
This is a 13 to 17 point per game offense.
The key is not turning the ball over and not getting frustrated when the points don’t come right away.
Play great defense (which they are now capable of for the 1st time in a decade) keep the score low and try and gut out victories that way.
Maybe DHB comes on to the scene later in the year…or the O-Line surprises…then open it up.
But for now…they have to play the script…run, run, pass…no turnovers…get a few 1st downs…and let the defense keep you in the game.
Getting frustrated and forcing something that’s not there will lead to the b.s we saw last year.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Well off to some Irish Pub downstairs for some local brew and Lamb stew!
See you in a couple of hours with some twitter updates.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Yep….thats why Jared needs to be given a shot at Center with the 1B’s.
138.KoolKell Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Did you see Peyton Manning take the first posession right down the field for a TD against the 49ers?
NO QUARTERBACK, can master a different Offense every year.
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So true.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Mistic1 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
I just dont get it, this is a raider blog right? All of our super bowl winners were power running teams, “Pounding the rock”. Raider philosophy has always been smashmouth, the only real departure was in gruden callahan, trestman era. Even then it made since to go to a passing game only becuase of the fact you had rice brown and garner, it would have been foolish not use their talents.
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I agree the Old Teams were power running teams. The Old Teams always had a Great Center. A Great Possession Receiver
And that’s one of the things I don’t understand about Al Davis today. He won’t tolerate any of that today.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
mistic1 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
KoolKell, JFB,
If the Raiders go out here and try to recreate the 70’s and 80’s with the deep passing game and all…they will fail miserably.
If they go out there and recognize that running the ball and getting those short throws are the key and stick with that game plan…the team will be manageable.
THe offense still has a lot of holes in it. To expect it to look like the Colts
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I hate to break the news but the ny giants just used that exact formula for a super bowl win 2 years ago. Vertical passing game DOES NOT MEAN DEEP ON EVERY PASS!!!!!!
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Once again….the Raider O-LINE is not good enough for a true vertical passing game!
Trying to force it just makes things worse!
August 16th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
S&B-exactly.Let’s let the preseason play out before getting bent out of shape over who is starting and who isn’t.A lot can happen before the reg. season starts.Same goes with the play calling.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
I agree the Old Teams were power running teams. The Old Teams always had a Great Center. A Great Possession Receiver
And that’s one of the things I don’t understand about Al Davis today. He won’t tolerate any of that today.
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And I think the reason why is that, that was Madden Football and not Sid Gillman football.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
IMO Jared could play either center or RT and then move Walker inside to RG. That’s an instant improvement over what we have now.
Satele is not the only problem. But at least he stood up and took responsibility. Carlisle is his inept clone who also needs to be sent packing.
August 16th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
It seems many think having a ‘vertical’ passing game means just throwing it long all the time.Nothing is further from the truth.The vertical game requires a good running game while taking your shots down the field at opportune times along with short and intermediate passes.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Jason Campbell loooks like the complete QB to me he has a very balanced approach to the passing game.
I remember him from Auburn in his Junior and senior season but hadn’t seen him much at all as apro. But coming ut of college i thought he was better than Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers but most scouts didn’t agree with neither did the Raiders at the time. But I told them after 5 years that Campbell would be as good o better than the best of that trio. I saw him as a very complete QB with a vey good deep ball. I also thought that Rodgers was better than Alex Smith because both he and Campbell had played a senior year. But fo some reason most scouts liked Alex Smith athletic ability and the fact that he graduated as a redshirt soph. Well this is 6 years later and IMO they stack up Rodgers A, Campbell B and Smith a distant C. Rodgers is much better than I thought he would be maybe because he’s been in the same system I’m not sure. But this Jason Campbell is growing on me in leaps and bounds.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
This is a 13 to 17 point per game offense.
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I say 17-24 PPG
August 16th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Surely Chuckie misspoke. Antonio Cromartie has 15 int’s in his last 3 games? That must be some kinda record.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
@ priest,
Campbell is awesome! Unfortunately for him joe gibbs left the foreskins before they could fully develop him, but he was on his way. He was miscast in zorns scheme, as zorn never had a chance to get his guy, and inherited campbell. Look for campbell in the probowl before his raider days are done. He has all the talent and the work ethic and leadership skill to match.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
IMO Jared could play either center or RT and then move Walker inside to RG. That’s an instant improvement over what we have now.
Satele is not the only problem. But at least he stood up and took responsibility. Carlisle is his inept clone who also needs to be sent packing.
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Agreed…..I expected Walker to be moved to RG to bring more power to the running game and Barnes to start at RT!
These choices that Cable is making with the O-Line will make or break him most likely.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
tom cable needs a good assistant head coach too help out maybe we need randy hanson back?
August 16th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Quite honestly if the team doesn’t get at least 6 or 7 wins this season….than I fully expect Jim Harbaugh or Hue Jackson to be the Head Coach of the Raiders next season!
August 16th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Well on a positive note. Let’s talk about what we saw from our Defensive line against the Cowboys.
I’m watching MNF right now, and our D-Line starters looks better than the NY Giants. When’s the last time we could make that claim.
Our defense will be something to watch this year.
If we can get effective, consistent play out of Seymour, Henderson, and Kelly this year we will be a top 10 defense.
If we can get that plus an effective CB opposite Nnamdi, we will be top 5.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Well quite honestly if the team doesn’t get at least 6 or 7 wins this season.
Than I fully expect Jim Harbaugh or Hue Jackson to be the Head Coach of the Raiders next season!
August 16th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Mytstic1
You are the 3rd person to tell me that, The other was my next door neighbor who is a hardcore Cowboy fan and my brother in-law who is a hardcore niner fan. My neighbor said he hated when the Cowboy’s played him because he would always put up big #’s against them no matter how bad the skins were. My brother in-law said he thought he was awesome and a hell of a competitor.
Both of them I been talking sports with for years it’s just that I hadn’t seen him Because I hate the skins. When they told me I was a little skeptical but they were adamant in there praise of this kid. And echoed your sentiments about him being unfairly critigued but skins fans. So now I’m starting to really get excited about our prospects because at some point what I saw at Auburn will show itself.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
And the Jets are showing everyone what bringing constant pressure and EFFECTIVE blitzing will do to an offense.
Eli Manning is a Super Bowl champion and he looks like a scared little kid out there because he has no idea where the blitz is coming f
If Marshall is allowed by Big Al (The Over Czar as Warren Sapp calls him)to implement his plan, we will be unleashing hell on offenses week after week.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Is Saturday’s game in Chicago going to be televised in the Oak-SF area? If yes, what channel/network?
August 16th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
LT was a BIG acquisition for the Jets. He still has a lot left in the tank. Jet’s will be VERY tough this year.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
And the Jets are showing everyone what bringing constant pressure and EFFECTIVE blitzing will do to an offense.
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From the looks of it, we won’t need to blitz that much. Seems like we will get pretty good pressure from the front 4.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
J Wiggle
Based on what I’m hearing about J Campbell I will endorse that 17-24 point per game average. My Bother in-law raved about Campbell and he HATES the Raiders for him to say anything positive about us is like pulling teeth and he raved about Campbell to the point that I was in shock. So we’ll see what happens…
August 16th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Priest,
Jason Campbell mustered up 6 points and 3 turnovers in 8 quarters against the Cowboys last year.
Not a cowboy fan in the world who was scared of him. Quite the BS.
August 16th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Don’t sign Routt long term, Spend that money on a better CB! Or spend it on OL!!
GMO
August 16th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Just looked it up.
Campbell played with the skins from 05-09.
Skins record against Dallas without Jason playing: 3-1
Skins record with him against Dallas when playing: 1-4
You can tell your neighbor to stop blowing smoke up your azz.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Al,
I know Routt has the size & speed you like, but he is not a CB! He is a track star!
August 16th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Priest,
Jason Campbell mustered up 6 points and 3 turnovers in 8 quarters against the Cowboys last year.
Not a cowboy fan in the world who was scared of him. Quite the BS.
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Lmao.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
ArmChair
If we can get after that QB like we did vs Dallas without the blitz I can’t see why people want to blitz just to say we blitz. Blitzing weakens your defense it doesn’t stengthen it. When you blitz you expose the defense in some way. It’s 100% better when you can get to the QB with the front4. That way you can deploy more bodies to coverage making the entire defense stronger.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
-Look at what we did to T Brayton!! We are doing the same to Veldheer. Brayton played DT at college, we drafted him, and tried to play him at LB!!
-Look at what we did with Huff, we drafted him frimTexas as a CB/ S, and we played him at SS!
If it works luke it did with Nnamdi, then it’s great, but when it doesn’t work, we end up with nothing.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
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August 16th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
Well the skins themselves haven’t won many games they only won 4 and his stats are better than nay QB we’ve had since Collins.
My neighbor has no reason to snow me he even mentioned that last year was their best year against him. He also added that due to Jim Zorn junk offense Campb ell didn’t get much help. But he gauranted me that Campbell was an outstanding QB. So let’s just wait and see the proof is in the upcoming games.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Raider O
are you really calling Michael Huff nothing?
August 16th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Raiders have had some success with that through the years though O.
Tod Christensen was a FB. Dave Casper was an OT @ Notre Dame. He’s in the HOF.
Matt Millen was a DT @ Penn State, but has a fist full of SB rings as an ILB.
It’s not like the Raiders are the only ones either. Lots of teams take college DE’s and turn them into OLB.
Legalize it!
Go Bucks, but most importantly…Just Win, Baby!
August 16th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
This game tonight must be for some serious NYC bragging rights. Both teams playing starters well into 2nd qtr.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Vegas,
We were in DC back in June. Nice place to visit, but wouldn’t want to live there. That traffic was plain nasty.
Would like to go back someday, though. Spend more time @ Smithsonian. Too much to see in one trip.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Man, Eli Manning left bleeding like he’d been in a MMA fight.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Buck,
Staying at the Phoenix Park hotel, Capitol and Massachusetts.
Sad that two blocks from the capitol building is a dive. Good Irish pubs, but not much else, and bums everywhere.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Priest,
I agree with your post #170 100 percent.
That’s why I used the term EFFECTIVE blitzing. That doesn’t mean blitzing on every play. It means using your front four to get pressure but also DISGUISING your blitzes out of various formations, as well as blitzing at the correct times.
I’m completely confident that Marshall has a plan on how to implement and execute this effectively and I just hope that he will be allowed to.
A perfect example was after the San Diego home opener last season. After Murphy caught that TD on 4th and 10, in the 4th quarter, that was the time to unleash HELL on Phillip Rivers. But we didn’t and look at the result.
It’s like knocking your opponent down in the final round of a boxing match and then having him woozy and up against the ropes. But instead of going for the knockout, you step back and let him up off the ropes to regroup himself.
It makes no sense in boxing and it makes no sense in football.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
BHP,
I’m not calling Huff nothing. I think Huff had/ has the potential to be a great player in the right scheme. He was never a great tackler, but he has a nose for the ball & good hands, and he can cover. He needs to be moved around like we used Sir Charles. Play CB, NB, and FS. That will also allow Mitchell to play more.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Eli got his dome split.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
I have been less than impressed with Huff and Kelly has not been worth the money.
I wrote an article on the Raiders and why I cant kick my addiction to them for TNSP SportsNET. Check it out
http://www.tnspsportsnet.com/new-on-tnsp-sportsnet/u-need-some-jesus-raiders-addition/
August 16th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Jim Zorn was awful, that’s about the only thing your neighbor is shooting you straight on.
JC needed a change of scenery, and this is it, and I TRULY HOPE he takes full advantage of it.
But I need to see it. His resume is drastically less than Aaron Brooks’ was when he arrived.
Play defense, great ST, the occasional good game from JC (because there will be a couple no doubt), and maybe a few games of some good run-blocking and we SHOULD win 10 games.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
I guess this fancy new stadium in NY didn’t include a microphone that works.
Anyone else see Namath with no audio? WTF was that? Not the best halftime kickoff for a new billion dollar place.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Buckeye,
I understand what you are saying, but Brayton was a DT at college. He played OLB at 6′6 285, and he ran a 4.8+ (too slow). Brayton was/is a base end.
The thing I fear when it doesn’t work that it may cause players to develop slower (Huff).
Legalize it!
Go Bucks!
Raiders!
August 16th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
RealMaddenRaider stfu you r a a*** hat. not enough hugs from mamma???
August 16th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
I wouldn’t compare JC to Aaron Brooks, 2 different types of players and skill sets.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
I think we should have traded for S Holmes! 12 games is not bad for a 5th RD pick.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
O,
Yeah the Brayton move to OLB…not so much. He was too big and lumbering for that move. Guy seems to have rebounded and is playing farly well in Carolina. Saw him make some plays the other night. The guy went a whole season at DE w/out a sack for Oakland. Unbelievable.
A lot of people compared the Scott move to the Brayton fiasco. I think Trevor Scott will have a lot more success outside. Little better athlete than Tyler. Actually played some TE in college. Seems more comfortable playing in space. I look for a big year for T. Scott. Nice pass rusher. We’ll see if he can hold up in coverage.
August 16th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
I think we should have traded for S Holmes! 12 games is not bad for a 5th RD pick.
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Me too. I think the Steelers blew it big-time for letting him get away for so little.
Another “Al Davis prototype player” whom Big Al somehow misses out on. Oh well.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
If Chaz can’t stay healthy, I can see Al making a move for Plaxico, if he’s available. I don’t know what the latest on his early release hearings are.
Can’t remember where I read it, but supposedly Al really liked that kid coming out of Mich. State. Even though he’s not a burner.
Might make a nice, big target for JC.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
I know Cable has his “no knucklehead” standard for this years team and all. And shooting yourself in the leg, with a handgun in your sweatpants, in a NYC nightclub, well if that doesn’t scream knucklehead, I don’t know what does.
Still, might be worth a shot. No pun intended.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Santonio Holmes is playing into the 2nd half.
Get DHB more snaps. He is not starter quality yet
August 16th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Never mind….Santonio HOlmes on suspension.
Regardless, they got to get DHB snaps this preseason
August 16th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
SnB,
Holmes is playing. Suspensions don’t start until reg. season. Big Ben could’ve played the other night. Steelers decided to hold him out. Get other QB’s some snaps.
Agree about DHB, btw.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
They should have DHB playing late into the game with the second and third team next weekend. Ease him into the pace of the game, which seems to still be overwhelming him.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Buckeye,
Yeah, the Jets held out Holmes to 2nd half due to suspension.
As for the Raider receivers….they have to make sure these guys are getting meaningful work in these preseason games.
No way the “starters” DHB, Murphy, JLH should leave the game until they have had at least 2 or 3 passes thrown their way. I left Schilens out because he is such an injury risk you almost want to hold him out entirely
August 16th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
No way the “starters” DHB, Murphy, JLH should leave the game until they have had at least 2 or 3 passes thrown their way. I left Schilens out because he is such an injury risk you almost want to hold him out entirely
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Completely agreed.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
I said I was excited to watch Big Bruce Campbell in action for the first time. I thought he looked pretty good. No glaring screw ups. seemed to be getting good push in the running game.
I know he was playing against backups, but if Dallas truly is a preseason NFC super Bowl favorite, they should be fairly deep. Not like he was playing against total scrubs.
I saw one play where the DL threw him to the ground. But I think that was out of frustration because Big Bruce was whippin his azz. Kinda bush league, really.
Can’t wait to watch this guy against Da Bears.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
# mistic1 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Gruden and Davis were to blame. Gruden wanted more control and more money, Davis did not want to budge.
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Ok then, let me rephrase. You refuse to blame Al for anything unless you blame someone along with him who deserves no blame. Gruden was within his every reasonable means to demand more money and control. First AFC West title in 10 years and first AFC championship game appearance in as many, and his demands were reasonable. You’d have to be insane to dispute Grudens’ monetary demands. As far as control goes, Jerry McDonald reported that Gruden only wanted to decide who the final 53 on the roster would be, of the hundred or so players Davis had acquired/retained in the off season. I’ll defer to him until you come up with a better source.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Trade for Victor Cruz! Hahaha daaaaaayum. That kid looks like he can play.
The Giants have some awesome receivers. Part of me still wishes the Raiders had gone with Hakeem Nicks and Ramses Barden in that draft.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Trade for Victor Cruz! Hahaha daaaaaayum. That kid looks like he can play.
The Giants have some awesome receivers. Part of me still wishes the Raiders had gone with Hakeem Nicks and Ramses Barden in that draft.
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LOL…I was thinking the exact same thing.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
I agree w/young am. the starting offense minus the RB’s should all be in there learning the new system with live “bodies”, because I do not believe you get the same practice as when you go full speed in a game. Pre-season or not!
August 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
priesttj Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Jason Campbell loooks like the complete QB to me he has a very balanced approach to the passing game.
But coming ut of college i thought he was better than Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers but most scouts didn’t agree with neither did the Raiders at the time.
But I told them after 5 years that Campbell would be as good o better than the best of that trio.
I also thought that Rodgers was better than Alex Smith because both he and Campbell had played a senior year.
Well this is 6 years later and IMO they stack up Rodgers A, Campbell B and Smith a distant C.
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This kind of stuff just makes me fall out my chair. Here we go again with Padre’s after-the-fact facts.
C’mon Padre quit teasing the blog and lay those Powerball numbers on us.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Yeah I was hoping for Nicks too, but I new that would never happen because Al loves his speed, which is why I hope the selection of Mcclain signals a change in mind set for him? I know “real madden” does not think so do you!! mamon lol.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
I think the starters will play the entire 1st half vs. Chicago. Usually the 3rd preseason they come out for a series or two into the second half. The finale..just pray like hell nobody gets injured.
Hopefully, the passing game looks much more in synch on Sat.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
I like R Barden, and I wanted us to draft him.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
I mean, a 6′6 WR who can still manage to run a 4.5- can be an insanely difficult weapon to defend against in goal line situations. I think the speedy Raiders receivers would benefit greatly from having a true possession receiver on the field as well.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
That week 3 game vs. SF oughta be fun. Since they play again in the reg season, they might tone it down a little.
But sometimes those Bay area rivalry preseason games are played pretty intensely. I think there is a real, and mutual dislike for one another. Can’t wait for that one.
August 16th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
I think all of y’all need to stop whinning about the WR’s after the 1st preseason game. Let the coaches COACH…………..period
August 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Philip Rivers little bro committed to LSU. 6′6” 205.
I hope he has the confidence that big bro has.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Chaz Schilens sux.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
I’d trade Schilens right now for another exercise bike added to the sidelines.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
And a case of medical tape and two bottles of BioFreeze.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
And a case of medical tape and two bottles of BioFreeze.
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ROFLMAO…..might be the weekly winner…
August 16th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
I agree priest. People are getting a little ridiculous thinking they can learn a completely new “O” so quickly. That is why I think they should be left in a little longer than usual.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
The Raiders should just spring for some kind of bionic foot for Chaz.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
“IF” Chaz can stay healthy, he will be a good WR for the NATION… I will give him a wait and see pass…
August 16th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Normally a new OCO does bring in a new offense, I wonder though with Hue are we expecting a new offense, or just some new wrinkles to last years offense?
August 16th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Well if the Raiders don’t believe in “going hard” in practices, chances are they’re not showing off the depth of their offensive playbook, either.
The only thing I think is truly concerning thus far is the play of the offensive line.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
the depth of their offensive playbook in preseason games*
August 16th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
G’night fellas.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
My Bother in-law raved about Campbell and he HATES the Raiders
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“bother” in law?
Does he know how you feel about him?
August 16th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
After practice Monday, he was doing squats with weights that looked like bowling balls with oversized handles,
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Jerry, that thing is called a kettlebell which is latest fad for athletic training. Been to gym lately Jerry…
August 16th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
The only thing I think is truly concerning thus far is the play of the offensive line.
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I agree. Fix the line we win the division. The orrense will work itself out if Campbell has protection and the O-line can consistently block someone.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
One year from now this is what I am terribly afraid to hear:
Last year I was totally lost. This year I am so much more comfortable in this offense. I can now call the plays with confidence and execute them without having to audible every other play.
Jason Campbell
August 16th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
*offense
August 16th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
WOW!! the 1st preseason game is normallly when the coaches want to see more of the backups than anything. Saturday you’ll see a lot more of the offense. The 3rd preseason game is when you’ll see them really try to put together an offensive gameplan. It’s pretty much standard stuff really…..
As far as DHB is comcerned my opinion is they just want to make sure he gets to opening day healthy. He has been the star of the offseason so we just need to relax a little. IMO if they were really worried about his confidence they’re more worried about keeping him healthy as he gets his work in. Just my 2 cents
August 16th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
# 504 Raider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
And a case of medical tape and two bottles of BioFreeze.
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That BioFreeze is some amazing stuff…back was killing me, and she said “try some of this”. Told her forget it, that stuff never helps me..she rubbed it in anyway.
And like that, lower backpain was gone.
Daughter put some on her friend with same problem, and like me, pain was gone almost immediately.
wonder stuff
August 16th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Sorry if they were worried about his confidence he would’ve played a lot more but the way they took him says let’s not take any chances.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
I’m not worried too much because our defense is so much better than last year and our offense is not led by Russell. We won 5 games with that crap last year.
We gotta basically play the same way/style that the 49ers play. Our personnel is better.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
WOW!! the 1st preseason game is normallly when the coaches want to see more of the backups than anything. Saturday you’ll see a lot more of the offense. The 3rd preseason game is when you’ll see them really try to put together an offensive gameplan. It’s pretty much standard stuff really…..
As far as DHB is comcerned my opinion is they just want to make sure he gets to opening day healthy. He has been the star of the offseason so we just need to relax a little. IMO if they were really worried about his confidence they’re more worried about keeping him healthy as he gets his work in. Just my 2 cents
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You have change coming from your 2 cent observation.
How can DHB be the STAR of the offseason?
How can you have a STAR IN THE OFFSEASON, WHEN everyone is hands off, and “be careful” and “don’t seperate their head from their shoulders”??
Practice means zero.
Now, he may, or may not step up and preform during games, but so far he has done zero.
Last year? Was the worst starting WR pretty much in the league..wasn’t he? I mean…THE WORST STARTING WR…so save that silly “not worried about his confidence”. Team sure as hell better be, because he tightens up like a drum when he knows a hit is coming.
Do you actually follow this game?
August 16th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
*perform
August 16th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Richochet Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
# 504 Raider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
And a case of medical tape and two bottles of BioFreeze.
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That BioFreeze is some amazing stuff…back was killing me, and she said “try some of this”. Told her forget it, that stuff never helps me..she rubbed it in anyway.
And like that, lower backpain was gone.
Daughter put some on her friend with same problem, and like me, pain was gone almost immediately.
wonder stuff
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I wasn’t saying it to be funny. That stuff is worth more to us right now than Schilens.
That stuff can get DMAC, Ford, and Bruce Almighty back on the field this week.
Schilens = Drew Carter
August 16th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
I would like to see some opinions from posters, what they believe the ceiling is for our defense?
August 16th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
I think all of y’all need to stop whinning about the WR’s after the 1st preseason game. Let the coaches COACH…………..period
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Bad news.
The COACH, along with Bey, is also on the bubble.
Speaking of “coaches”…Hue sure didn’t help himself with that 4th and 1, 4 wideouts. Dumbest call of the preseason so far, bar none.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Even better:
Schilens = Yao Ming
But I think Cable is hoping Schilens is the next Mike Sims-Walker.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
I wasn’t saying it to be funny.
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To late….
August 16th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
504-wasn’t being funny either.
Don’t know how you heard about that stuff, but prior to my sister popping it out, I hadn’t ever heard of it.
Easily worth 2 1/2 quality WR’s…or 17 DHB’s.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Thec,
Our defense is going to follow the same script as always. Only this time we may finally have the right amount of talent to make it work.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Thec,
Our defense is going to follow the same script as always. Only this time we may finally have the right amount of talent to make it work.
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Top 15???
August 16th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Thec07 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
I would like to see some opinions from posters, what they believe the ceiling is for our defense?
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If the defense doesn’t go vanilla and exclusively play that “beat your man we don’t need no stinkin scheme” stuff….this defense could be top 10…even top 5.
They appear to have a d-line that can get pressure, a middle linebacker that is smart and loves to hit…two OLBs that can stop the run and rush the passer, a budding strong safety, a decent FS..a serviceable CB and the best CB in the league (if they let move him around)
August 16th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Been in a training room a time or two. That’s where I was introduced to BioFreeze.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Toms river new jersey will win the little league world series!!!!
August 16th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
We will win every game our defense or special teams score a Touchdown. And our defense is very capable of scoring. Call me crazy but I see our D as more playmaking than the Saints D of last year. The Saints gave up chunks of yards but was + double digits in turnover margin.
Top 15% sounds about right but I’d be more into how many turnovers we get.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Thec07
Like I said before the front7 of this defense is as good as there is in the league. Our backend is just as good. Great defense is great defense you can use all kinds of schemes to get that. But IMO if you can get great pressure from your front4 it makes your defense extemely tough to navigate. Because you can’t flood zones especially when you can matchup like we can. That’s why you saw so many sacks due to coverage.
But ultimately it comes down to our offense putting up points to allow the defense to play aggressively. But I see a top 6 defense if we can stay relatively healthy.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Lets give jamarcus russell another chance.everybody deserves a second chance!
August 16th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
I like the depth that we have in the D Trench, that will make for an effective rotation during crunch time. Doubt we will be losing those last minute down to the wire games because we could not get pressure. Our front will be able to wear down starting Olines, thus limiting what they can, and cannot do.
Based on what I saw in the game, i would say ceiling is top 10…
August 16th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
We have a good secondary and a good LB core. Our D Line is its best in years. Our D will wreck havoc. I remember one of the best defenses ever down here in New Orleans in 1991.
The Dome Patrol might be the best set of LBs ever on one team. They had a good (not great) D-Line and the DBs were horrible. But the LBs were so good that QBs were just tossing up prayers to the WRs and anyone on this blog could have gotten a minimum 6 ints that year.
We are going to get those same toss ups from pressured QBs but like the other day, we will also get those coverage sacks. The Dome Patrol never got coverage sacks.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
In 6 months JaMarcus is going to look like Uncle Ruckus.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
I’m not worried too much because our defense is so much better than last year and our offense is not led by Russell. We won 5 games with that crap last year.
We gotta basically play the same way/style that the 49ers play. Our personnel is better.
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Bro, you are exactly right on. I wished we had a more physical Oline to try to play the similar style to the Balt Ravens Trent Dilfer team. However, we dont and we are very similar to the Niners across the Bay. 7-9 or 8-8 is prob our record this year. We wont go near 10 wins unless the D becomes a top 5 D.
August 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
We should’ve had 2 -3 int’s vs Dallas but we dropped them.
August 16th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
aig-raiders Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
504 Raider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
I’m not worried too much because our defense is so much better than last year and our offense is not led by Russell. We won 5 games with that crap last year.
We gotta basically play the same way/style that the 49ers play. Our personnel is better.
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Bro, you are exactly right on. I wished we had a more physical Oline to try to play the similar style to the Balt Ravens Trent Dilfer team. However, we dont and we are very similar to the Niners across the Bay. 7-9 or 8-8 is prob our record this year. We wont go near 10 wins unless the D becomes a top 5 D.
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We may go 8-8 just like the 49ers this year.
But if you swapped Tom Cable and Mike Singletary but kept all the coordinators and coaches the same:
Raiders 11-5
49ers 6-10
August 16th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
our defense got better against the run but worse against the long pass ,we will probably rank 30 in defense,our offense could be in the top 15 if we do one thing cut the cord on dmac and let him go!!!!we will make the playoffs but barely.
August 16th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
DEFENSE IS GONNA BE FAHQIN SICK THIS YEAR!
RAIDER NATION BABY!
August 16th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
fat kidd Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
our defense got better against the run but worse against the long pass ,we will probably rank 30 in defense,our offense could be in the top 15 if we do one thing cut the cord on dmac and let him go!!!!we will make the playoffs but barely.
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Dude, you can make some serious money by going on one of those talk shows to share with the world how you recovered from the first ever lipo suction surgery of the eyelids.
Our Defense will be ranked 30th?
Cloudy Piss!
August 16th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
‘Sup suckas?
So check it, I’m slamming these here maitai’s and I’m looking at our schedule and the first 4 games of the year we got Tenn, St Louis, Arizona and Houston. Here’s what they did last year respectively in pass defense: 31st, 25th, 23rd, and 18th.
Keep throwing the damn ball all preseason. Hell, the first team can play the entire games if that’s what it takes. We HAVE to take advantage of these matchups early so that we can at least front like we’ve got a balanced offense when the schedule tightens up.
Practice, practice, practice!!
Just drinkin…I mean thinkin!
August 16th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
OK, so I went through the whole schedule and looked at every team for the past 2 years and low and behold we have a huge advantage if we can throw the ball this year!!
I know we’re ‘built’ to run but if we can be at least average with the pass and the run and give this defense the chance to swing the balance we could definitely be a playoff team. Eventually!!
August 16th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
504,
I know there are alot of Raider fans that are not happy with Cable. All I can say is under him, we have been able to stop the craziness of the past 7 years (yes I am predicting) and finally put a competitive team on the field. Cable is not an offensive guru by any means but he has delivered on building the team on the right kind of players that he preached.
Of most importance is Cable’s ability to make it work with Al Davis so far. Singletary would have clashed with Davis. We are all stuck with Al Davis so that is why I give Cable lots of credit for making it work so far.
August 16th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Fatt Kidd,
you dont sack the QB 3 times on 1 drive and pretty much shut down the starting lineup’s running game. This is against a SB contender Dallas Cowboys. To predict we will be ranked 30th is crazy.
2 of those 3 sacks in the first drive was because of secondary coverage. In the past, we would not be able to get to the QB even with the secondary shutting them down. Now we got 3 guys that can get to them in Houston, Shonasty and Scott.
August 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
OK,
Going through a bunch of offense stats was a bad idea. After seeing what Oakland has done the past 5 years totally killed my buzz!!
August 16th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
I think some of you fellers are getting ahead of yourself.
Hopefully the Raiders can win 8 games.
August 16th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
just found out my dog loves sunflower seeds! cool!
Go Raiders!
August 16th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
RRRRAAAAAIIIIIDDDDDDERRRRRSSSSSS!!
Just prepare for when your dog discovers beer to go along with those sunflower seeds.
August 16th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Schilens and Murphy should be the starting wide receivers, and don’t give me that bs about them playing the same position. Unfortunately DHB is on scholarship and will waste a whole year till Al gets it and gets rid of him.
August 16th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Some of you have scholarship on the brain if the Raiders keep a player you don’t like he’s on scholarship….lol what a JOKE!!!
Maybe you just don’t know what you’re talking about, but it’s easier for you to understand if you say SCHOLASHIP!!! hahahah
August 16th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Shilens and Murphy are the possession receivers for the Raiders. They play the same position. Not understanding that is like saying Ray Lewis should play outside just because he is good. Doesn’t work that way.
RRRRRAAAAAIIIIDDDDDERRSSSS!!!!
August 16th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
SCHOLARSHIP!!! lol
August 16th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
254-what a ridiculous comment.Singletary hasn’t accomplished anything.
August 16th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
priest you’re a scholarship fan.
August 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
I’ll kill that dog if he drinks my beer!! And I love that dog!
Just saying…
August 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Lefty, Al Davis hasn’t accomplished anything either without either Ron Wolf or Jon Gruden. In fact, one could say that’s what Al Davis and Mike Singletary have in common. Neither of them have accomplished anything in the modern day NFL.
August 16th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
Just when I thought I had seen & heard it all tj pulls a rabbit out of his bunghole.
Star of the offseason? Is this some new category of measuring absolutely nothing? Kinda like saying we “saved” 2 million jobs when the facts are we’ve lost 3 or 4 million in the last 18 months.
Un FK’n believable tj! You are a mope and a stooge!
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# priesttj Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
As far as DHB is comcerned my opinion is they just want to make sure he gets to opening day healthy. He has been the star of the offseason
August 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
SeymourGlenChipStevens, did you watch the game last Thursday? They sent Murphy deep 2 times. Possession receivers don’t go deep. We dont have a possession receiver. Schilens cant be considered any type of receiver at this point.
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Just Win Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Shilens and Murphy are the possession receivers for the Raiders. They play the same position. Not understanding that is like saying Ray Lewis should play outside just because he is good. Doesn’t work that way.
RRRRRAAAAAIIIIDDDDDERRSSSS!!!!
August 16th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
tj
If you are ever actually in the locker room or at Raider practice I dare you to tell DHB to his face he’s the “star of the offseason”. I bet he punches you in your face.
August 16th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
# MistaBrown Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
tj
If you are ever actually in the locker room or at Raider practice I dare you to tell DHB to his face he’s the “star of the offseason”. I bet he punches you in your face.
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Can’t happen. Even he admitted his “seen him play” means “my TV works”. “Talked to him” means “I yelled at my TV”
· Blackholepriest Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
KK I don’t work for the Raiders, I never have. I have friends in the organization.
What the hell is your problem fool?
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And by friends he means “Yo, peanuts..hot peanuts here”
August 16th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
I’ll kill that dog if he drinks my beer!! And I love that dog!
Just saying…
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I have a Black Mouth Curr (Duncan), when I drink, he gets his own can of 211.
August 16th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Evenin NATION.
August 16th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
tj is gifted in one respect. He can manage to say something utterly retarded at least once a day in here. He gets pounded by dozens of different people from all angles and he trudges on like a deranged loon, he is relentless you gotta give him that!
At least SeyGlenChiptakes a break and gets a new name every 30 days. tj just keeps giving & giving!
August 16th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
# MistaBrown Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
SeymourGlenChipStevens, did you watch the game last Thursday? They sent Murphy deep 2 times. Possession receivers don’t go deep. We dont have a possession receiver. Schilens cant be considered any type of receiver at this point.
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Just Win Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Shilens and Murphy are the possession receivers for the Raiders. They play the same position. Not understanding that is like saying Ray Lewis should play outside just because he is good. Doesn’t work that way.
RRRRRAAAAAIIIIDDDDDERRSSSS!!!!
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So, SeyOakglenChippyDork is Just win?
I knew he was someone else (also just Cheatin, who admitted he was Cappy/Sey/Oakdork)
Oakdork usually posts with at least 4-6 current handles, so he can argue with himself, make up with himself, prop himself, state “you da man” to himself, and toss out insults, en masse’, to those who make him fodder…
Still laughing at his yet again wimpy swan song…you could almost hear the tears falling
August 16th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Sup Dirty, you are the star of the offseason….FYI
August 16th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
# MistaBrown Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
tj is gifted in one respect. He can manage to say something utterly retarded at least once a day in here. He gets pounded by dozens of different people from all angles and he trudges on like a deranged loon, he is relentless you gotta give him that!
At least SeyGlenChiptakes a break and gets a new name every 30 days. tj just keeps giving & giving!
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I don’t know..he’s such a pathetic troll that I suspect most of the new handles are Oakdork, likely starting a new one a week, the rest are mama’s boy, MR.
No small wonder that these exact two, who used to post all day to each other, using dozens of handles a day, are the reason this board changed to registration…both are too slow to figure out how to cover their tracks.
August 16th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Sup Dirty, you are the star of the offseason….FYI
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LOL, nice.
August 16th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Like you MistaBrown, keepin it real.
August 16th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Imagine having season tickets and sitting next to tj 10 times a year. Do you sell or request a move ?
Oh boy..
August 16th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Richochet, prove right now that I’m posting under any other name than this one.
August 16th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
lol @ prove right now!
MR are you 12 ?
August 16th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
lol…isn’t that your mantra everytime, MaddenMoron? “prove it! PROVE IT!!!!!!!” which you then shortly thereafter ADMIT IT?
hell, you’re so dense you posted as me, screaming to all that you admitted it was you.
And your silly stupid postings as Random make you look even slower, actually thinking anyone couldn’t figure that out?
You’re an idiot, MR.
That’s a proven fact.
the fact you’re a cross posting POS is also a proven fact.
Hey, to you? Getting attention under ANY handle is all you live for..so, in that regard, I’m happy for you.
Even ’special’ people need to feel “special”.
August 16th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Oh, just shut up with all of your loud mouth theatrics. And, yes, just so you know, proof is one of the burdens of making a claim against someone. Prove I’m posting under any name other than the one you see right here, or keep just insisting that you know I do, just like priest or Oakglenn would insist something about something Raiders. If a hunch is all you have that I’m posting under other names, then why should anyone believe you’re not posting under multiple names? You’ve proven you’ll do anything to antagonize people. You don’t have any point of view, on ANYTHING. You fit the profile of someone who cross posts more than anyone in here. Punk.
August 16th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
BTW, Richochet, it’s actually a proven fact that YOU are an idiot. Didn’t you say the team will still be improved even if they finished with the same record, just because Russell’s gone? IDIOTIC! Tie that in with the fact that you’re accusing people right now of cross posting without a shred of proof and I think that pretty much proves, AS FACT, that you’re an idiot. But keep going, though. Keep helping my case.
August 16th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Oh, you know…I almost forgot. The last time I argued with Richochet, I was banned for about 3 weeks. I remember. I was asking you what business you owned. I kept pressing you on it, you kept getting hotter and hotter and going on tantrums, then poof…I’m gone. That’s right. Interesting to see if that happens again. BTW, are you ready to tell us what business you actually own, Richochet? Or do you want to admit you were lying all along?
August 16th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
All the people in here I’ve fought with…I give Richochet a little crap about his business, and just like that I’m out of here. Food for thought for all of you.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:10 am
Richochet is in the portable toilet business in what capacity i do not know!!!
August 17th, 2010 at 12:25 am
Whatever it is he’s obviously embarrassed about it. Maybe he owns some quarter bubble gum machines at the grocery store. All I know is this, Fat Kidd. You know I’ve been in a zillion arguments in here with just about everyone. I argue with this guy for about one minute and I’m banned. As they say on MB’s favorite news station, I report, you decide.
August 17th, 2010 at 1:02 am
priest i read your comments from time to time and out of everyone you seem to be the biggest dipschit. itd be one thing if your were just throwing in your two cents which d ont get me wrong thats what most your comments are. however then theres the ones where you claim to have a) inside inforemation or b) have had a hand in the organization. im guessing if either were true it would be B because then it would make a lot more sense why weve sucked for the last 7 years.
August 17th, 2010 at 1:31 am
Pito
August 17th, 2010 at 1:32 am
Kind of want to see what this kid Colt Brennan can do in the pre-season.
He came in third in the voting for the Heisman in 2007 but didn’t go in the draft until the sixth round.
Those hip injuries could be a problem but this kid has a way of getting the ball right in there.
Thinks fast on his feet.
August 17th, 2010 at 1:43 am
Do you like trannys
August 17th, 2010 at 1:44 am
Brennan defended his mechanics:
“People talk about my side arm delivery yet Vince Young, Tony Romo, Rich Gannon… these are all guys who have much lower deliveries than I do. Everyone says I have like a 3/4 of side arm delivery no one’s ever seen it. It’s not a side arm delivery but it’s not over the top. Your talking about the most in 3 years no one’s been as accurate as me in the history of college football and that’s what’s most important in drafting a quarterback
August 17th, 2010 at 1:53 am
NoLuv4Hoes Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 1:43 am
Do you like trannys
…………………..Yeah i had a Kenworth with a 18 speed fuller roadranger tranny that was great it shifted so smooth!!!!!
August 17th, 2010 at 5:08 am
Go back to UH Brennan I hate when College guys bring up their stats, you played in a spread O you aren’t even Andre Ware and take all the Rainbow Warrior fans with you!
August 17th, 2010 at 5:44 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
So, NMF…I’m from Hawaii and still support UH…do you want me to leave too? I’ve been a Raider fan for coming on 36 years…
August 17th, 2010 at 5:49 am
My bad Howard I’m from Fresno so a little bit of jealousy ,
August 17th, 2010 at 5:50 am
You and all Raider fans are cool , to much losing on the Island the last 10 yrs got me crazy
August 17th, 2010 at 5:53 am
Just messing with you…I understood what you were saying about Brennan! Funny because after Brennan left Hawaii, so did June Jones, and there went the team!!!
August 17th, 2010 at 6:13 am
Anyways…I see an article about Campbell and Zach tryna gain chemistry…any improvement in the passing game in the past couple of days?
August 17th, 2010 at 6:14 am
Campbell finds JLH twice sumilating final minute, down by 6
Gradkowski rolls right finds JLH back of end zone
Campbell completes a pair of out patterns to JLH vs. no defense
-Jerry Mac (twitter)
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Atta boy Johnnie Lee!
August 17th, 2010 at 6:17 am
with CJ out, it’s Ware with Nnamdi and Routt covering slot receiver
Rock finds room in middle, Kelly jumps offside
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from yesterday
these guys remain part of the grand plan to what?
lose games?
August 17th, 2010 at 6:19 am
these guys remain part of the grand plan to what?
lose games?
Al gotta put in his two cents, right?
August 17th, 2010 at 6:22 am
Kelly still has a penchant for jumping offsides at his new position at nose tackle and hasn’t been conspicuous in terms of blowing up running plays or rushing the passer.
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Thanks Jerry. I figured as much
August 17th, 2010 at 6:22 am
Routt didn’t get beat one time IN THE GAME vs Dallas!
TK anchored a line that MOST Raider fans are extremely happy about.
Don’t see what the problem is.
August 17th, 2010 at 6:25 am
Routt camp lowlights:
Murphy caught previous pass short of stake, fake left Routt sprawling
Todd Watkins smokes Stanford Routt deep right sideline, Boller hits him in stride
to untrained eye he looks worthy of being nickel bach ahead or Routt.
Colt Brennan gorgeous throw right sideline catches Todd Watkins in stride vs. Stanford Routt
Guests give a cheer when Campbell’s 50-yd pass finds Murphy on post vs. Routt, Branch
Campbell executes play-fake and although rainbow slightly underthrown, Murphy has beaten Routt by enough to slow up, make catch.
Campbell finds Murphy open in middle vs. Routt
Kyle Boller o-throws Jonathan Holland, who beat Stanford Routt, to post
Stanford Routt, beaten by Louis Murphy on short rout, talks to DB coach Lionel Washington and heads off field
August 17th, 2010 at 6:27 am
Kelly still has a penchant for jumping offsides at his new position at nose tackle and hasn’t been conspicuous in terms of blowing up running plays or rushing the passer.
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To quote one of your favorite players …
It’s practice man! We talkin about PRACTICE ????
How about what actually happens IN THE GAME ????
August 17th, 2010 at 6:30 am
I see you don’t like Stan too much there Rockstar!!!
LOL
August 17th, 2010 at 6:33 am
Kelly said he arrived at OTAs at 315 pounds as opposed to 350 a year ago.
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entering his 7th year in the NFL. turns 30 years old in December
finally decides to get in shape & take care of his body during the offseason?
guy has received more publicity for losing his pants on the field and getting a DUI than busting the heads of QB’s or RB’s
August 17th, 2010 at 6:36 am
I see you don’t like Stan too much there
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LOL!
Hwnrdr: those are all tweets from Jerry Mac, who said that Walter McFadden (a rookie 5th rounder) has outplayed Routt, former 2nd rounder entering his 6th year. now Jeremy Ware is starting opposite Asomugha with Routt at the nickel! this guy is a disgrace man
Cable needs to quit buttering toast Routt!
August 17th, 2010 at 6:37 am
finally decides to get in shape & take care of his body during the offseason?
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Why do you spin stuff so much?
My goodness!
ONE YEAR he played at that weight, lol.
What was his weight the previous year?
Finally decides to get in shape ????
Hilarious stuff man.
August 17th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Nnamdi, having finished the Wall Street Journal, joins his teammates.
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is this considered leadership ???
now Routt is over there reading Cosmo.
August 17th, 2010 at 6:43 am
Jwigg: what makes you so confident that we’ll see a much improved Routt & Kelly, entering thier 6th & 7th years in the league?
1 preseason game?
all offseason the tweets (practice) have been atrocious!
and you’re expecting the lights to suddenly come on because Coach Puppet is talking them up?
puhleeze bro
August 17th, 2010 at 6:45 am
now Jeremy Ware is starting opposite Asomugha with Routt at the nickel! this guy is a disgrace man
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A disgrace ????
LMFAO!
How about Routt practicing the position he is most likely going to play? Do you REALLY think he starts ahead of CJ?
August 17th, 2010 at 6:46 am
Higgins is entering his 4th year and doesn’t get a pass. playing on an original contract for a 3rd rounder
Kelly & Routt are getting paid starter money entering thier 6th & 7th years in the league and it’s all peachy ???
YOU PEOPLE need to quit gulping Dayquil like JaWalrus.
August 17th, 2010 at 6:47 am
RRS,
Why do you put so much emphasis on what is happening in 7 on 7 drills?
Did you see Routt get beat in the Dallas game? Yes or No?
Did you see our Dline border on dominant in the Dallas game? Yes or No?
August 17th, 2010 at 6:49 am
How about Routt practicing the position he is most likely going to play?
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what position does Toast play, if Walter Mac beats him out of the nickel job? highest paid turd on the bench?
August 17th, 2010 at 6:49 am
Higgins is entering his 4th year and doesn’t get a pass. playing on an original contract for a 3rd rounder
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A pass ????
Are you bored this morning?
Didn’t I say that our QBs best chance is with Chaz, DMac, and JLH on the field?
August 17th, 2010 at 6:51 am
I know, I was messing with ya…
Ware…was he the one getting burned in Dallas? I don’t know…who’s #28? McFadden is #23 right?
August 17th, 2010 at 6:52 am
Why are you so concerned with how much $ some of these players are making?
If TK and Routt were not being paid what they are, then you’d be ok with them? That’s ridiculous!
Seymour and Nnamdi should be on your bashing radar if that’s the case. Seymour was NOT that much better than TK to warrant damn near triple his salary. And 16 million for a corner ???
Salaries don’t matter. 1st team defense looked REALLY goo IN THE GAME but you are nitpicking certain players.
August 17th, 2010 at 6:52 am
Didn’t I say that our QBs best chance is with Chaz, DMac, and JLH on the field?
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if you did, I must have missed it and I’m proud of you
August 17th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Ware…was he the one getting burned in Dallas?
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That was him …
Well him and CJ that is.
Wonder why they haven’t found the rath of RRS?
August 17th, 2010 at 7:00 am
Sorry, McFadden is 22 and Ware is 23…who is 28?
August 17th, 2010 at 7:06 am
RRS,
What are your thoughts on the franchise 3 tech’s performance thus far in 7 on 7 drills? Is he collapsing the pocket and disrupting the run?
What about our 16 million dollar corner? Is he making mor plays than CJ in camp?
Thoughts ????
August 17th, 2010 at 7:18 am
OK that is it I can’t take it!!!!!
Routt has been getting toasted for years now he is sorry and he sucks period!!! Kelly with or w/o wait sucks!!! He has not lived up to his contract he is not even close. We need to learn how to cut ties quicker and stop marrying these stupid ideal players. This would be the last year for both of these guys. These project players cost to much and take to long to develop. We could of had a veteran WR and a starting tackle for Kelly’s contract.
I hope McFadden and Ware develop and we cut Routt as soon as next year. Routt is my most despised Raider. He gets his @$$ kicked every Sunday. Hiram Eugene is just a step up form him in sucks!
This was my favorite Hiram Eugene you suck play! McGahee slaps him to the ground like a lil b!t(#!!!!!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders/09000d5d8157b5d6/NFL-GameDay-Ravens-vs-Raiders-highlights
August 17th, 2010 at 7:19 am
I don’t mean to be too critical of Cable, but his quotes are often just babble. You have to wonder what’s swimming inside that head? Oh, by the way, as the offensive line goes, so go the Raiders. Fix it!
August 17th, 2010 at 7:21 am
Yeah but in Wares defense he is a rookie. How long has Routt been in this league?
What I like about Ware is he stayed at it and he made a big hit around the goaline to knock the ball loose.
I like the way we are finally starting to develop rookies. Now it is time to cut the expensive dead weight.
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J Wiggle Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Ware…was he the one getting burned in Dallas?
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That was him …
Well him and CJ that is.
Wonder why they haven’t found the rath of RRS?
August 17th, 2010 at 7:22 am
Jwigg: Seymour has a tough task at hand …
it’s basically on him to perform better than Kelly at UT and motivate Kelly to play NT better than Warren
if the Seymour/Kelly duo isn’t much better than the Kelly/Warren duo was, McClain won’t have the opportunities he needs to be a playmaker, enforcer.
I’m holding out hope for Kelly, but this season is his last shot imo. 7 years with 1 team and played 3 different positions, none of them at a high level (yet)
if the guy finally decides to start playing football, I’m all for it. he certainly talks a good game, but what if we finish 27th-31st against the run again ???
will you blame McClain, Shaughnessy, Houston?
or the heart of the problem? interior D-Line
August 17th, 2010 at 7:23 am
It does amaze me that Cable use to pride himself on being an o-line coach but the last couple of years we would have never known it. I really don’t get it. You would think he has an eye for talent on the o-line and developing it. We will see this year and next.
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Try Cheating Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 7:19 am
I don’t mean to be too critical of Cable, but his quotes are often just babble. You have to wonder what’s swimming inside that head? Oh, by the way, as the offensive line goes, so go the Raiders. Fix it!
August 17th, 2010 at 7:25 am
I blame interrior D-line Kelly sucks!
How does Henderson fit into this picture?
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RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 7:22 am
Jwigg: Seymour has a tough task at hand …
it’s basically on him to perform better than Kelly at UT and motivate Kelly to play NT better than Warren
if the Seymour/Kelly duo isn’t much better than the Kelly/Warren duo was, McClain won’t have the opportunities he needs to be a playmaker, enforcer.
I’m holding out hope for Kelly, but this season is his last shot imo. 7 years with 1 team and played 3 different positions, none of them at a high level (yet)
if the guy finally decides to start playing football, I’m all for it. he certainly talks a good game, but what if we finish 27th-31st against the run again ???
will you blame McClain, Shaughnessy, Houston?
or the heart of the problem? interior D-Line
August 17th, 2010 at 7:26 am
CJ, I agree. The offensive line has been offensive for years. His eye for talented offensive lineman is questionable at best.
August 17th, 2010 at 7:28 am
RR if healthy I agree but they can’t make it a whole season to put anything together.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 6:52 am
Didn’t I say that our QBs best chance is with Chaz, DMac, and JLH on the field?
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if you did, I must have missed it and I’m proud of you
August 17th, 2010 at 7:28 am
I think it’s funny how guys in here claim Cable is a good o-line coach or even Head Coach, then in the next post trash the O-Line
who put Satele, Carlisle & Walker in the starting line-up?
who recruited Harris, Green, Pears & Barnes?
who wanted Jim Michalczik & Chris Morgan to teach these guys the zbs?
August 17th, 2010 at 7:28 am
And why is Cable wearing headphones on the sideline? He wont call a play, nor will he change it. It looked like a movie prop to me.
August 17th, 2010 at 7:29 am
RR, very true
August 17th, 2010 at 7:32 am
very quietly, the Raiders have made a few more staffing hires …
Offensive Assistant – Eric Sanders
Defensive Assistant – Mike Clark
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any idea who these guys are ???
August 17th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Try Cheating Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 7:28 am
And why is Cable wearing headphones on the sideline? He wont call a play, nor will he change it. It looked like a movie prop to me.
To block out the voices!!!
August 17th, 2010 at 7:35 am
I told you guys 2 years ago that Cable was a dipschyt.
August 17th, 2010 at 7:35 am
University of Northern Iowa head football coach Mark Farley has added three assistants to his coaching staff for the 2010 season, including former All-American quarterback Eric Sanders.
Eric Sanders, a native of Oelwein, Iowa, will be an offensive assistant coach for the Panthers in 2010. Sanders enjoyed a stellar career for the Panthers at quarterback from 2004-2007. After earning his degree in business administration from UNI in 2008, Sanders joined the coaching staff at Syracuse University as a graduate assistant coach in 2008 and 2009. At Syracuse he assisted the offense and worked primarily with the quarterbacks. While with the Orange, he worked under head coaches Greg Robinson and Doug Marrone. As a quarterback for the Panthers from 2004-2007, Sanders guided UNI to a record of 35-9 as a starter. He led the Panthers to 12 fourth-quarter or overtime victories in his career. He capped his playing career in 2007 as he led the Panthers to a perfect 12-0 regular season and No. 1 national ranking. Sanders was the runner-up in the 2007 Walter Payton Award balloting. Sanders holds the FCS career record for completion percentage (69.59 percent).
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same guy who joined our staff?
August 17th, 2010 at 7:38 am
Mike Clark used to be Strength Coach for the Seahawks?
August 17th, 2010 at 7:43 am
Ummmmm…..let see….Cable, Cable, Cable and ummmm….Cable! Sounds like an O-line Master to me.
Barnes gos back to his probowl form this year and Satele becomes a power blocker leading the o-line. Not! “They are who they say they are”…they suck!
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RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 7:28 am
I think it’s funny how guys in here claim Cable is a good o-line coach or even Head Coach, then in the next post trash the O-Line
who put Satele, Carlisle & Walker in the starting line-up?
who recruited Harris, Green, Pears & Barnes?
who wanted Jim Michalczik & Chris Morgan to teach these guys the zbs?
August 17th, 2010 at 7:48 am
Our offense still scares me man. O-line still seems weak and no reliable WRs. Murphy still drops to many, DHB gets lost in the game, Chaz always sporting aboot on the sideline, JLH always getting drilled, Watkins great attitude, will catch the ball but average skill level. Jacoby Ford not a proven player in the NFL. Nick Miller may not even make the team again. If we loose Zach Miller during the course of a season. Game over!
We still shoulde have picked up a proven veteran WR in my mind.
August 17th, 2010 at 7:52 am
Trade Dmac, Schilens for some OL help.
DHB, i like his attitude and work ethic, and Al’s gonna keep him on the roster 3-4 years to make sure first, but overall our offense is worrisome, and we’d probably be better off if we scored a few OL out of a Dmac/Schilens/DHB trade and signed some vet like Plaxico or whomever else actually has proven NFL skills.
August 17th, 2010 at 7:55 am
Right, like Al would trade McFadden or DHB.
Just because some fools have given up on them in such a short time doesn’t mean Al has. Unless you have a drug problem, Al tends to hang onto his high draft picks.
August 17th, 2010 at 8:07 am
GG Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 7:52 am
Trade Dmac, Schilens for some OL help.
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Concur!
August 17th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Lakota Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 7:55 am
Right, like Al would trade McFadden or DHB.
Just because some fools have given up on them in such a short time doesn’t mean Al has. Unless you have a drug problem, Al tends to hang onto his high draft picks.
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safe to say if you were drafted in the first round but didnt pan out, Al will give you a shot, but thats the kinda guy he is.
August 17th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Unless you have a drug problem, Al tends to hang onto his high draft picks.
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Remeber a recent first round LB named Napolean? Or Philip Buchanon? Or Fabian Washington?
August 17th, 2010 at 8:20 am
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August 17th, 2010 at 8:21 am
It’s like polishing a terd, the raiders Offense.
We all know Al’s gonna hold onto dmac, schilens and dhb. But really, we all know the problem…the OL and lack of NFL-caliber proven receivers.
Bush, bennett, cartwright arent spectacular but i bet the last two are tough enough to get some yards and play to an NFL-standard.
Schilens is good but just the constant injuries. Especially bone problems in feet, they can keep re-occuring or not healing.
DHB i like him, and really WRs deserve about 3 years to “get it”. I wouldnt want to trade him but really, he shouldnt start, only get a few snaps a game until (if ever) he “gets it”, becomes a play-maker, you know, one who commands the ball.
My point overall being that OL is most important (obviously) and we’re getting sick of this BS offense and the porous OL. It’s not impossible to build a top OL. And it is that which makes the biggest difference. Look at Brady pre-Moss when his OL gave him 5-8 secs in the pocket to hit scrub receivers all day/season.
NFL-caliber/proven WR like Plaxico or whomever to start opposite Murphy, plus 2 good OLmen (with Veld/Bruce rising over time) would immediately bolster this sub-standard offense we STILL have and have had for about 4 years now.
Cant keep neglecting the OL, cant pass over top young OL talent year in year out for the “sexy” picks. Cant keep patching it up with OL players who would be back-ups on better NFL teams but are starters on ours.
August 17th, 2010 at 8:24 am
For anyone interested, In Session TV show on TRU channel 204 on Dish is airing Javon Walker beatdown in Vegas. So far talking to the 2 ditzy girls he hung around with. The dumf#k was so drunk he tried to leave a moving cab.
August 17th, 2010 at 8:25 am
Cris Carter was considered a bust his first 4 years… Tim Brown did nothing but return kicks and punts for 4 years….
The difference is these first rounders get paid so much these days they are expected to contribute at a high level immediately, rightfully so, since they ARE the highest paid guys on the team. They just dont get time to develope anymore
August 17th, 2010 at 8:28 am
DMC is another player who is not being used right. They guy is a great talent, he can run and catch, but we haven’t developed him yet.
IMO Bush & DMC can be the best RBs in the game. They have great talent, and had good #s at college, and both were considered top 10 draft picks (before Bush broke his leg)
Cable and OL sucks!!
Trade Mich for a 5 yard run by DMC!!
August 17th, 2010 at 8:40 am
We still shoulde have picked up a proven veteran WR in my mind.
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CJ: Agreed
I wanted Muhsin Muhammad, instead we drafted Jacoby Ford!
return guys are dime a dozen (Cartwright, Figurs, NMiller, Bodiford) you see?
same with Justin Miller, Chris Carr & Doug Gabriel a while back …
Last thing this team needed was another young speedster for Sanjay friggin Lal to groom!
the “vets” were drafted in 2007 after JaWalrus – Higgins & Schilens
these guys have a COMBINED 72 catches & 11 TD’s in 3 seasons!
August 17th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Vince Lombardi couldn’t “use DMAC right”… kid is a glass fumbling machine.
August 17th, 2010 at 8:48 am
TW,
Damn Dude, I’m sorry!! Get a 2nd opinion. We all know they are just monkeys that passes an exam and got a certificate.
August 17th, 2010 at 8:50 am
Heyward-Bey might have 72 catches & 11 TD’s this year alone!
Print That
August 17th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Cant keep neglecting the OL, cant pass over top young OL talent year in year out for the “sexy” picks. Cant keep patching it up with OL players who would be back-ups on better NFL teams but are starters on ours.
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GG: couldn’t agree more
would anybody besides Robert Gallery start on another team’s o-line?
Al Davis loves to scour the free agent pool for players that nobody else wants that he thinks fit the system.
Tom Cable thinks he can milk production out of any 5 clowns Al Davis brings him. Just start the best 5
bad comination …
how did Norv Turner persuade Al Davis to draft Gallery & Grove in the first 2 rounds? that needs to happen again next year in RD2 & RD3
August 17th, 2010 at 8:56 am
# bcz24 Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 8:25 am
Cris Carter was considered a bust his first 4 years… Tim Brown did nothing but return kicks and punts for 4 years….
The difference is these first rounders get paid so much these days they are expected to contribute at a high level immediately, rightfully so, since they ARE the highest paid guys on the team. They just dont get time to develope anymore
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You wouldn’t think it after my previous post, but im often with friends saying just what youre saying here. I know WRs take a handful of years to develop. WR is difficult, it’s like a 2nd QB on the field. One should always give WRs 3 years imo. You’d wanna see some marked improvement by that 3rd year (meaning they can handle starting in multiple packages from down to down) start seeing stats like 4 recs for 40 yards from them from half-use in a game.
Anyway, I like DHB, his character/attitude. And i know Dmac and Schilens are also good character guys too. It’s only the frustration with the injuries. Dmac behind a better OL and a 200 yard passing game would be far more effective and get a lot of hype. But again, it’s the injuries thing. Schilens is a natural, but it’s all those damned injuries.
Again with Dmac it comes down to OL tho and a vet WR, and everything would be better. Just thinking about it in the “big picture” sense. That it’s so crucial (OL), that probably even if we traded Dmac/Schilens for 2 OL and acquired a vet WR to start, i bet you’d see a much more improved offense. Bush/Benn/Cart all still able to pound the ball for 3 and 4 yards. And Campbell (finally we have a competent QB now), time in the pocket to hit reliable NFL-caliber receivers who stay healthy like Z.Miller and nameless vet WR.
Or….you can hold onto Dmac, Schilens, talent, but the whole offense hindered by that sub-par OL. Multiple 3 and outs, broken protection, WRs not getting open, defenses able to press and stack the box against Dmac and see some fumbles and niggling shoulder injuries etc etc etc.
August 17th, 2010 at 9:17 am
2012 is right around the corner!
August 17th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Good morning all.
August 17th, 2010 at 9:32 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
# mistic1 Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Gruden and Davis were to blame. Gruden wanted more control and more money, Davis did not want to budge.
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Ok then, let me rephrase. You refuse to blame Al for anything unless you blame someone along with him who deserves no blame. Gruden was within his every reasonable means to demand more money and control. First AFC West title in 10 years and first AFC championship game appearance in as many, and his demands were reasonable. You’d have to be insane to dispute Grudens’ monetary demands. As far as control goes, Jerry McDonald reported that Gruden only wanted to decide who the final 53 on the roster would be, of the hundred or so players Davis had acquired/retained in the off season. I’ll defer to him until you come up with a better source.
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First off why are you making the claim that I dont blame davis for his mistakes unless i can throw someone in with him? This is not true. I have been extremely critical of some of his head scratchers; norv turner, mike white joe bugel, jeff george, harvey williams, deangelo hall, the list goes on. You can try all you want but i must go back to my statement, Davis deserves credit win he gets it right!!!! Just as he deserves blame when he blows it!!!!!
By the way I was a huge chucky fan, but chuky needed to shut up and coach.
1.) you are not going to get final say on the roster when you work for AL. Al is a football man, knows the game, and its his damn team!!! he has the right to agree , disagree veto, or trade you! There are plenty of coaches in the nfl that have input without having the final say. Besides he was winning while using Davis’s players, and was able to influence Al enough to get the guys he wanted as well.
2.) Of course Gruden has right to ask for more money, however, Davis is under no obligation to give it to him.
3.) In my opinion Gruden wanted out so he could have total control ( ego ), so he demanded a sum that he knew Davis would never pay. Well we know what happened next. he took over Dungy’s super bowl ready team, won the big one, and it was a slow grinding crash and burn afterward, as his personnel decisions took him from being the fan favorite chucky to just plain old upchuck!
August 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Trade Dmac for a Dr Seuss book!
August 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am
I have to go. Later Gents.
August 17th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Have a good one O.
August 17th, 2010 at 10:20 am
tain and TC talking politiks, who’d a thunk it?
August 17th, 2010 at 10:26 am
It appears because he is not too bright.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 10:24 am
YA: why even watch CNN, Fox, and MSNBC then, if you think they are such biased agenda driven scumbags?
August 17th, 2010 at 10:34 am
mistic1 Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 9:32 am
By the way I was a huge chucky fan, but chuky needed to shut up and coach.
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He did. And was shown the door regardless.
August 17th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Henderson pushing himself to improve
(08-15) 20:16 PDT — Passing drills have taken on a heightened sense of importance for Raiders left tackle Mario Henderson lately. Because, though the quarterback doesn’t get hit when Henderson makes a mistake, Henderson does have to hit the turf.
To do 50 push-ups.
Coach Tom Cable wants Henderson to improve and speed up his footwork, so to hammer that home, Cable is making his starting left tackle do 50 push-ups every time he makes a mistake. He did two sets Sunday in Napa.
“It’s tough, man,” the fourth-year, 6-foot-7, 300-pounder said. “After I do that, my sets (are) straight. It’s no longer just a regular pass – now I am thinking if I don’t do this right, it’s 50 more push-ups. They are tough to do in the middle of a practice.”
Henderson said doing the push-ups helped him in the preseason opener against Dallas on Thursday.
“It gets you into good habits, and when you are playing tackle, playing well has to become a habit,” he said. “I have to not even think about it, to get to a certain spot with my hands in the right place.”
Cable did say that Henderson does a nice job in the running game, both frontside and backside, and that he looks good on play-action plays.
“The other things I like,” Cable said. “I’m talking specifically about being a dropback pass protector in that one-on-one game.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/16/SP2L1EU00N.DTL
August 17th, 2010 at 10:51 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Henderson pushing himself to improve
(08-15) 20:16 PDT — Passing drills have taken on a heightened sense of importance for Raiders left tackle Mario Henderson lately. Because, though the quarterback doesn’t get hit when Henderson makes a mistake, Henderson does have to hit the turf.
To do 50 push-ups.
Coach Tom Cable wants Henderson to improve and speed up his footwork, so to hammer that home, Cable is making his starting left tackle do 50 push-ups every time he makes a mistake. He did two sets Sunday in Napa.
“It’s tough, man,” the fourth-year, 6-foot-7, 300-pounder said. “After I do that, my sets (are) straight. It’s no longer just a regular pass – now I am thinking if I don’t do this right, it’s 50 more push-ups. They are tough to do in the middle of a practice.”
Henderson said doing the push-ups helped him in the preseason opener against Dallas on Thursday.
“It gets you into good habits, and when you are playing tackle, playing well has to become a habit,” he said. “I have to not even think about it, to get to a certain spot with my hands in the right place.”
Cable did say that Henderson does a nice job in the running game, both frontside and backside, and that he looks good on play-action plays.
“The other things I like,” Cable said. “I’m talking specifically about being a dropback pass protector in that one-on-one game.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/16/SP2L1EU00N.DTL
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He needs to drop and pound out 50 when he screws up during a game, that would be dedication to the drill, IMO.
August 17th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Whats Hendersons # ?
August 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am
He needs to drop and pound out 50 when he screws up during a game, that would be dedication to the drill
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Agreed. hope this approach works
gotta find something to motivate the kid!
it appears the fear of more work will do the trick.
haha
August 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am
SouthDakotaRaider Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Finally some sense coming out of South Dakota….
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you refering to me or Lakota??
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You. Your last post was apt.
August 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Try Cheating, it started out rough for you. The other newborns in those cribs, you’re in a tube…
August 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Of course it can. Try again, Turd.
August 17th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Whats Hendersons # ?
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75
August 17th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Condo needs a raise!
August 17th, 2010 at 11:23 am
RMR, you are a hater.
August 17th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Drexl Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Condo needs a raise!
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OK, NOW I’M GETTIN RILED UP!
August 17th, 2010 at 11:26 am
RAIDERS!
Lets hope W. McFadden is healthy. I think Routt’s not going to cut it…
August 17th, 2010 at 11:40 am
I have been a Raders fan since the late 80’s. I was amazed by the verticle attack and the way we had RBs that could score from any place on the field.
Oh and then you jump on the D side of the ball and we always had DBs that were not just fast, they would knock you out.
I always thought it was so cold how Al davis would take an older well seasoned vet with a little gas in his tank, let them know how much he thought of them and they would put on that cold silver and black and give you all they had last. Ronnie Lott was like an ancient warrior in that silver and black. He lost a step, but he still hit hard and put it all on the line.
No I have been on this boat a little longer than 2.
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Try Cheating Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 11:12 am
CJ, you obviously have only been a Raiders fan a few years.
August 17th, 2010 at 11:42 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 11:40 am
I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief.
Do it my way!
…………………..
To the victor goes the spoils. Bush/Cheney made the white house more powerful than ever. You weren’t complaining then. Only when your party loses the white house. Crybaby. Grow up and pretend to be a man.
August 17th, 2010 at 11:47 am
MistaBrown Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 11:44 am
South, its not a issue of the constitution you libtards keep repeating this, why?
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first off could you stop calling me a libtard?? not liberal….
secondly i just mention the constitution to show that even though yes, it may touch a nerve, doesnt mean we can keep them from doing this.
August 17th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Anyone have any thoughts on possible veteran wideouts that will be cut before the final 53 man roster is put together by all 32 NFL teams?
Hopefully there is someone out there before the season starts. If we can pick up a decent healthy receiver and possibly Al makes a trade for say Logan Mankins I will feel really good about this season.
August 17th, 2010 at 11:57 am
YA: you’re just the king of conspiracy theories, aren’t you?
August 17th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Sorry to bring up Raider football
August 17th, 2010 at 11:59 am
HairyBush: Tom Cable is our coach
the O-Line will be just fine
August 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 11:59 am
HairyBush: Tom Cable is our coach
the O-Line will be just fine
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Oh yeah I forgot! all will be well. thanx for refocusing me
August 17th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Anyone have any thoughts on possible veteran wideouts that will be cut before the final 53 man roster is put together by all 32 NFL teams?
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no more WR’s …
Nick Miller to the rescue!
August 17th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Mario Henderson is doing push-ups, Gallery is healthy, Satele is injured, Carlisle is a beast & Cornell is in Buffalo
nuff said.
2010 Raiders = 10-6
August 17th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 11:57 am
YA: you’re just the king of conspiracy theories, aren’t you?
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What conspiracy theories?
August 17th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Nick Miller is a “DB” killer!
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RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
no more WR’s …
Nick Miller to the rescue!
August 17th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Carlisle is a beast ?
August 17th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Carlisle is a beast ?
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Brown: sarcasm implied
sorry
August 17th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Lakota Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Libtards, I have to run
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Adios nazi.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
RRRRRAAAAAAAIIIIIDDDDEEERRRSSSSS!!!!
August 17th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Did Dakota change his handle to Lakota?
August 17th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Jwigg is always saying that Bruce Campbell is a beast, so I just thought I’d rattle his cage a little by saying that 5 year starting RG Cooper Carlisle = BEAST
haha
August 17th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Anyone have any thoughts on possible veteran wideouts that will be cut before the final 53 man roster is put together by all 32 NFL teams?
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no more WR’s …
Nick Miller to the rescue!
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I guess I can carry on with my day, knowing N. Miller is on the roster is very comforting. lol
I do see this offense being like the one Gannon led years ago. (not nearly as efficent) but the same principal- get the ball out quick to your playmakers.
I think we really need a possesion reciever. Sorry Chaz don’t let the door hit you in the azz when you recieve your injury settlement. I want Ricky Prohel from back in the day!
August 17th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Anyone have any thoughts on possible veteran wideouts that will be cut before the final 53 man roster is put together by all 32 NFL teams?
…………..i hope its not a republican reciever their only good with their hands when they stick their hands in the pockets of the middle class,we need a democratic reciever.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Kell: Jason Campbell threw for 3600 yards & 20 TD’s last year.
what do you think his numbers will be like his first year in Oakland?
better? worse? same?
August 17th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
sign Ricky Proehl!
He owns, manages, and coaches at Proehlific Park, a world-class sports performance complex and fitness center he built in Greensboro, North Carolina
he’s 42 years old, but Brett Favre turns 41 this year and he’s still playing …
August 17th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Rockstar
I would say worse, at this point. No Raider QB has done that in years.
On the other hand, IF Chaz & McFadden can stay health and contribute……I would say that’s attainable.
Bottom Line: I don’t know.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
BREAKING NFL NEWS!!
Favre reportedly on his way to Minnesota!!
Does anyone really fning care? I don’t.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
I would say worse, at this point. No Raider QB has done that in years.
On the other hand, IF Chaz & McFadden can stay health and contribute……I would say that’s attainable.
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Agreed. assuming Chazerella & McBrittle won’t make it a full season, is 3600 yards & 20 TD’s attainable if Heyward-Bey & Mike Bush step it up instead?
August 17th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Chazerella LMFAO. Thats classic. Dude is a walking injury settlement waiting to happen. He is as soft as RMR.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Favre reportedly on his way to Minnesota!!
Does anyone really fning care? I don’t.
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janitor: might have an impact on people who play fantasy football
thanks for the info!
August 17th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Chazerella LMFAO. Thats classic. Dude is a walking injury settlement waiting to happen. He is as soft as RMR.
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thanks man.
I think Kell came up with “Chazerella” though. my buddy Hwnrdr in the AM crew calls him Chantilly Chaz
August 17th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
I don’t see DHB stepping in for Chaz if he were to go down.
In that case if would all fall on the shoulders of Murphy and Miller. Not enough Imo for 3,600yds and 20 TD’s.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Looks like mistabrown is popular in here. With statements like this I can see why:
MistaBrown Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
We dont have a possession receiver.
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We don’t have a possession receiver. It’s statements like this that causes “Raider Fan” to be labeled the dumbest fans on earth.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Ok OakGlen, if we have a possession receiver who is it?
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Just Win Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
We don’t have a possession receiver. It’s statements like this that causes “Raider Fan” to be labeled the dumbest fans on earth.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Last time I looked the Dow was up almost 200 points today.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
+156
August 17th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Although 3,600yds is only 225 per game.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
pre-season chicago should be a easy win but seattle and the whiners will be harder too win games.they will be as tough as anyone in our regilar season. they will be good test.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Just Win Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
mistabrown why do you call half the posters here Oakglenn? Did you fall off a truck or get hit by a train when you were a kid?
There is a Oakglenn Mental Health Center!!!!
August 17th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
I predict hundreds of comments will soon be deleted…
August 17th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
I predict hundreds of comments will soon be deleted…
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one can only hope
as soon as the Corkran/Becker train rolls through …
August 17th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
If only they would ban a bonehead like that mistabrown guy there would be no need to delete anyone or anything else.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
I predict hundreds of comments will soon be deleted…
………no thats in the constitution 2nd amendment freedom of speech.
August 17th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
old supporting cast:
Jim Zorn
Sherman Lewis
Chris Meidt
Todd Collins
Clinton Portis
Ladell Betts
Santana Moss
Antwaan Randle El
Devin Thomas
Malcolm Kelly
Chris Cooley
Fred Davis
Chris Samuels
Derrick Dockery
Casey Rabach
Randy Thomas
Stephon Heyer
3600 yards & 20 TD’s
new supporting cast:
Tom Cable
Hue Jackson
Paul Hackett
Bruce Gradkowski
Darren McFadden
Michael Bush
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Louis Murphy
Chaz Schilens
Johnnie Lee Higgins
Zach Miller
Brandon Myers
Mario Henderson
Robert Gallery
Samson Satele
Cooper Carlisle
Langston Walker
any projections ???
August 17th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
fatty, janitor, JW, Kell …
any projections for Jason Campbell this year?
post #689 shows the supporting cast he had last year & the stats he put up
August 17th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
he does throw a lot of interceptions i,m hoping he doesnt here.
August 17th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
about 150 posts got smoked, so far
August 17th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Raiders’ Kelly sheds excess baby weight
Raiders defensive tackle Tommy Kelly admits he didn’t have a good year last season.
So he looked at himself in the mirror and saw a fat man staring at him.
“Yeah, I had a baby in this stomach last year,” Kelly said Monday. “So, I kind of had my baby. When I came in for (offseason practices), I was about 315. Last year, I was about 350.”
Kelly was asked if he felt pressure from the big contract ($18 million guaranteed) Oakland gave him two years ago.
“You’ve just got to take on the challenge. … With this game, as long as you put in your work in the offseason … it’s going to give back to you what you put into it.”
- Vittorio Tafur
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/16/SPL31EUVJA.DTL#ixzz0wtfwlSoi
August 17th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Coach Tom Cable wants Henderson to improve and speed up his footwork, so to hammer that home, Cable is making his starting left tackle do 50 push-ups every time he makes a mistake. He did two sets Sunday in Napa.
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Who else needs to be doing push-ups this training camp?
August 17th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Looks like J Richardson could be expendable
August 17th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
He let Richochet post my name and number here for 6 weeks. Dude called me 4-5 times a day.
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That is creepy. My mother had a phone stalker back in the late 70’s. The police department issued her an official police whistle to blow into the receiver next time he called.
August 17th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Richochet IS the moderator… muwahahahahahahah!! LoL
August 17th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
J Richardson had surgery today
August 17th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Looks like J Richardson could be expendable
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you think so?
I thought J-Rich was finally coming into his own
who else will back up Shaughnessy & Houston at DE?
I don’t think Chris Cooper & Greyson Gunheim are considered “upgrades”
seems like Groves, Scott & Wimbley are LB’s unless it’s 3rd & long or something …
August 17th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Dude would call me and blow a New Year’s plastic horn into the reciever.
August 17th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Let’s just move on ahead; simply ignore the trash and it will eventually get taken out. Back to the punishment and push-ups, I think the whole team should be required to do “X” number of push-ups for every offside penalty during a game. If we set it at 50 per, we’ll either cut way down on the number, or our guys will have the strongest forearms in the league!
August 17th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
he does throw a lot of interceptions i,m hoping he doesnt here.
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fatty,
Jason Campbell threw 15 INT’s and fumbled 13 times last year (losing 3)
he does need to take better care of the football!
August 17th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
# raidertbone Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Let’s just move on ahead; simply ignore the trash and it will eventually get taken out. Back to the punishment and push-ups, I think the whole team should be required to do “X” number of push-ups for every offside penalty during a game. If we set it at 50 per, we’ll either cut way down on the number, or our guys will have the strongest forearms in the league!
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Bob G: “sure we have short arms, but they are the largest”!
August 17th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Richard Seymour
Lamar Houston
Matt Shaunessy
Trevor Scott
J Richardson
With all the rotations available on the D-Line……..
August 17th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Who else needs to be doing push-ups this training camp?
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Walker & Veldheer had false starts against Dallas and Satele gave up our only sack (to a Dallas backup!)
August 17th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
J Rich should make it down to the last round of cuts. I think he’s better than both Coop and Gunny, but it will all come down to injuries and need. We have a lot of good young players in camp this year – no Stryker Sulak!
August 17th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Who else needs to be doing push-ups this training camp?
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Walker & Veldheer had false starts against Dallas and Satele gave up our only sack (to a Dallas backup!)
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I would throw CJ in there as well for the toasting he received.
August 17th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Kell: I think Kelly, Bryant & Joseph could play DE too if we needed them to
maybe we would be ok without J-Rich?
how long is he expected out with that surgery ???
August 17th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Trade Stanford Routt for a guy who can do 100 push-ups!
August 17th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
# raidertbone Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Trade Stanford Routt for a guy who can do 100 push-ups!
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LMAO!
August 17th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Tom Brady is getting upset
Posted by Mike Florio (PFT)
The great George Costanza once explained that the perception of hard work will arise from the constant projection of annoyance.
Maybe Pats quarterback Tom Brady is giving Costanza’s approach a try.
As our pal Tom Curran of CSNNE.com explains it, Brady says he has become more impatient in 2010 because somebody has to show impatience on the team.
“If the quarterback won’t do it, then who will do it?” Brady said. “That’s how I always think about. So, if it’s like, ‘Hey guys, it’s all right. It was a [shoddy] play, but we’ll get the next one.’ That’s not the way it works.”
In a joint practice with the Falcons, Brady showed his frustration by letting coach Rex Ryan’s favorite word fly.
Brady presumably hopes that others will follow his lead, and not simply by persuading them to refer to everyone as sons of b1tches, or to call babies “cute little b@stards.”
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I hate the Pats, but I like this approach … sort of Gannonesque
I might draft this dude in FF after all
August 17th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Who cares if Stan can do 100 pushups, as long as he can carry his jock strap around after he gets faked out of it!
August 17th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Shaunessy seems to be a better pass rusher than Richardson. I don’t think richardson really distinguished himself in his time, solid yes.
August 17th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
would we be ok without J-Rich in the DE rotation?
how long is he expected out with that surgery ???
August 17th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
One of his biggest knocks is he was a drive killer..seemingly at the worst times.
Sounds familiar, unfortunately.
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Rich: he didn’t impress me against Dallas
nobody wanted him for even a 5th rounder on draft day
Al Davis probably could have got him for next’s year’s 6th instead of a 4th in 2012…
he’s certainly an upgrade over JaMarcus.
3600 yards & 20 TD’s would be awesome this year, if he didn’t have 18 turnovers to go with it
August 17th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
One of his biggest knocks is he was a drive killer..seemingly at the worst times.
Sounds familiar, unfortunately.
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Rich: he didn’t impress me against Dallas
nobody wanted him for even a 5th rounder on draft day
Al Davis probably could have got him for next’s year’s 6th instead of a 4th in 2012…
he’s certainly an upgrade over JaMarcus.
3600 yards & 20 TD’s would be awesome this year, if he didn’t have 18 turnovers to go with it
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Kind of a catch22.
We’re at the “certainly an upgrade over JR”, which isn’t exactly warm and fuzzies, ya know?
I mean, isn’t everyone an upgrade over JR?
August 17th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Speaking of the game, why the hell did Cable take out DHB after one play?
Made no sense. He needed to get him past his jitters and settle in.
After that big buildup, now he’s back to being antsy, and wanting to prove himself.
You blew it, Cable.
Again.
August 17th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
a turd sandwich would have been better than jamarcus.
August 17th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Like I said, had you posted my real address you would have serious cause for worry.
I suggest you shut up while you’re ahead.
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I did already Fat boy.
August 17th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
# KoolKell Says:
August 17th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Reekosheet
I posted Your name & addrdes, you called Jerry and got me banned.
Why would I get banned for posting a phantom address, fat boy?
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Quit acting stupid.
You posted someone’s address from a phone number on your caller ID..YOU ADMITTED IT, YOU MORON.
Wasn’t my address, YOU MORON.
The fact you posted anyone’s address got you banned, I assume. Probably was encouraging you to get off your azz and go work.
August 17th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
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August 17th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Afternoon, Richochet, KK, RR, BCZ24, NATION.!
August 17th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
4 bedrooms, 3 baths, 2800 sq ft. In Pleasanton, Old man.
You? You live next to the freaking airport, lol…the whole street is a sty…THE WHOLE STREET..
House across the street has weeds waist high. With the ugliest checkerboard pattern of pinkish puke..little dive market just doors away..airport on the other side..
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DUDE, you just decribed my house! No Sh!t.
August 18th, 2010 at 11:03 am
test
August 18th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
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