`Fatigue’ slows Heyward-Bey
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, August 19th, 2010 at 7:40 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Darrius Heyward-Bey has worked so hard in the offseason to validate his status as the No. 7 pick of the 2009 draft he is at present too tired to do anything about it.
But have no fear. He’ll be rested and ready to explode come Sept. 12 and the regular-season opener in Tennessee.
That’s the company line, and the Raiders are sticking to it. There is no injury.
Is it just me, or does it seem a little odd that the Raiders have a 23-year-old receiver who worked so hard in the offseason he sits out four practices in the middle of training camp for no other reason than he is tired?
Since players for years have worked out in the offseason in order to stay on the field and not off it, what in the name of Jerry Rice is going on here?
“He is fatigued. We wrap him up, we keep him out of things,’’ Cable said. “When it gets to the point where if we push it anymore he might get injured, I’m not going to do that. I backed off.’’
When it was suggested to Cable that Heyward-Bey may have overtrained in the offseason, he said, “Yeah. I think guys do that now, especially with the way the offseason are and as long as they are and all that. He’s OK. I’m just not going to put him a situation where it may get us a negative outcome.’’
In the days preceding Heyward-Bey’s rest period, he had a few sessions where he was almost invisible. While not dropping passes at the rate he did a year ago, Heyward-Bey up to that point had been making the occasional play which had inspired enough confidence from the organization to send an “I told you so” press release.
After signing a few autographs for fans invited to practice, Heyward-Bey said he was, “just a little fatigued. Coach Cable is holding me out a little bit for that. That’s pretty much it.’’
What kind of fatigue, exactly?
“Body, legs, you know just fatigue,’’ Heyward-Bey said. “Doing a lot of running. Receivers, we’re low in numbers anyway. I feel bad for the other guys out there and me missing. But we’re working hard out there, so it takes a toll.’’
Heyward-Bey said he’s not concerned about losing any timing with his quarterbacks, and both he and Cable expect the process to accelerate as the regular season approaches.
But as of now, the old adage of fighting through the pain doesn’t apply to Heyward-Bey.
“You gotta be smart out there. You have to ask yourself, ‘Can I play at the level they want me to play at?,’ ‘’ Heyward-Bey said.
And right now you can’t?
“Right now, we’re being smart about it,’’ Cable said. “You want to get the reps in, but if its’s going to take a toll where I will be out a long time you gotta weigh the pros and cons.’’
With Chaz Schilens still missing more practices than he’s participating in _ he watched again Thursday as the Raiders continued to be “smart’’ with his surgically repaired foot _ it’s not like the projected starting receivers have had lots of time with quarterback Jason Campbell.
“I don’t know if I’m losing (our timing as much as I’m a little worried that what we’ve gained we’re not growing from there,’’ Cable said. “ That’s my only worry. But we’ll be OK. I’m confident in that. I see what they’re doing. I’m just not going to put guys in a position where I don’t have them here in a few weeks.’’
More news and notes from Thursday’s practice:
– Quarterback Charlie Frye underwent a surgical procedure on a ligament in his throwing wrist which will need four to five months of rehabilitation, according to Cable.
Frye was placed on injured reserve, leaving Bruce Gradkowski, Kyle Boller and Colt Brennan to compete for three spots. Gradkowski won’t play against the Bears, With Boller entering for Campbell some time in the second quarter and Brennan mopping up.
– Ruled out of the Bears game by Cable are running back Darren McFadden (hamstring), tight end Tony Stewart (ankle), linebacker Sam Williams (concussion), cornerback Chris Johnson (hamstring), wide receiver and Paul Hubbard (hamstring).
Cable said he would probably add more to that list, and with Schilens and Heyward-Bey almost certainly being on it.
– McFadden was going through agility drills at what looked like full speed with a trainer and Cable said he expected his running back to be back on the practice field Tuesday.
Richardson’s knee procedure is expected to keep him out two to three weeks, Cable said.
– Eric Butler, recently released by the Rams, was added to the Raiders roster as a tight end. Butler, a practice squad player in St. Louis who has played mostly H-back, was playing tight end Thursday.
– Cable reiterated that he saw all he needed to see against Dallas to tell him the Raiders will be a much improved team physically, and that he has no intention of increasing the amount of hitting in training camp.
“It would be stupid or ridiculous for anyone to say, ‘You need to hit more’ or anything like that,’’ Cable said. “We’ve already proven who we are that way.’’
– Practice updates can be found on my Twitter page.
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August 19th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
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August 19th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
Great. Season hasn’t even started and he’s gassed.
August 19th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Tbone,
Unfortunately, we got our receiver last year. Don’t get me wrong, he sounds like a great kid and by all accounts is working very hard. He is no Michael Crabtree, however, and that’s who we should have taken instead.
We would not be having some of the conversations we’re currently having about the passing game had we made a different choice when we had the chance.
August 19th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
WTF, no chit, I can not believe it is “fatigue” the dude is 23 yrs. old!! Bey better wake the fuk up and get out there!
August 19th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Call me crazy, but I wonder if Cable is trying to play possum with all this “fatigue” s***. Maybe thats just “hope” on my part.
August 19th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
The one thing I hate the most about how the raiders operate is all the freaking secrecy!
August 19th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Maybe DHB has mono? Been making out with the Napa hoochies…
August 19th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
I really dont think these Raiders are gonna do a whole lot this year. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not feeling it.
August 19th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
You guy’s can always watch the 49er games if you want to see Crabtree. Since you’re such huge fans of his just tune into the 49ers. Because he doesn’t play for the Oakland Raiders if you don’t wnat to watch DHB then don’t watch………simple.
August 19th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
fatigue? say he had a concussion, a knee, a hammy, something worthy of a football player and not a track athlete….jeeesh. DHB is as pathetic as Cable
August 19th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
here’s what DHB has done in 2010: one dropped pass… whew Im tired myself.
August 19th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
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August 19th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
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August 19th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
The Raiders went 5-11 last year with a lazy, high, fat inaccurate QB, weak offensive line, a leaky run defense, and a tougher schedule.
By simple addition by subtraction,
the Raiders will go 8-8 this season as currently constructed.
If we fix the middle to right side of the O-Line, we will win the division.
Print that. Stop all the worrying.
August 19th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Boy you guy’s would’ve hated Marcus Allen in his rookie year during training camp he mised 2 whole weeks with a hammy and on opening day he lit up the SB Champs SF 49ers for 123yards rushing 54 yards recieving and 2 TD’s. Bill Walsh said he would one day be the MVP of the league and he was.
August 19th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Well Chaz was healthy when we had the opportunity to draft Crabtree or DHB. With Chaz and JLH both healthy, DHB “should have” been the perfect pick with his ability to stretch the field.
I think he was targeted one time against Dallas, and the ball was forced to him. My concern would be more towards the play calling. I wonder why we didn’t see anything but deep routes from the outside WRs? What happened to the quick slants and the patterns that would get the ball in DHBs hand quicker so he could run with it? I’m really looking forward to seeing what he can do with those types of routes, and hopefully we get a taste of it Saturday.
August 19th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Boy you guy’s would’ve hated Marcus Allen in his rookie year during training camp he mised 2 whole weeks with a hammy
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Is that an MVP prediction for McFadden?
August 19th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
Bills vs Colts
Mop Handle got bet for a sack Edwards got laid out! helment flew off LOL
P.S. Fu(k Craptree
August 19th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
I would love for DHB to just be like James Jett. You guys can say what you want, but that boy could make the “Big Play”.
August 19th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
and that he has no intention of increasing the amount of hitting in training camp.
“It would be stupid or ridiculous for anyone to say, ‘You need to hit more’ or anything like that,’’ Cable said. “We’ve already proven who we are that way.’’
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You hear that Raider O?
August 19th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Forget Crabtree, forget Marcus(he forgot us)
August 19th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
J Wigg
I thought we would’ve had at least one great year oujt of DMC by now. So no it was just to get these guy’s t understand that the coaches know what they’re doing Marcus could’ve played as well but they took the smart route and were rewarded with an outstanding debue performance.
tThis is hadly the time to worry about production from any player it’s more about getting ready fo the opener. These guy’s want to see DHB so bad they overly critical about nothing. That kid was there befoe anyone to start the offseason workout now what’s better fatigue now or after the regular season starts.
Relax already as long as he gets some snaps during preseason I’m OK with this delay in fact I encourage it. Better now than later.
August 19th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Fatigue is not excuseable for anyone.
SO that’s the message the team is getting, if you’re tired, then take 3 days off? Cool Coach these guys have…I’ll bet they love him?
It’s training camp for God’s sake: THEY SHOULD ALL BE FATIGUED!
Wake UP Nation, you’re smarter than this!
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6-10 season coming up!
August 19th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Hey Armchair….good luck with that prediction my friend.
Be happy with the 6 wins you will get. Be happy it isn’t 5.
Way to WANT that weaker schedule too as a basis for your post buddy.
Makes me feel proud to be a Raider knowing our schedule is weak this season.
Yea’…..NOT
I want us playing the best….beating the best….and being the best….but with this staff….ain’t NEVER gonna happen…..
Print that-I never worry
August 19th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Maybe they are just being cautious.
Look mang, Denver sat SEVENTEEN players the other day and just found out Golden Boy Tim Tebow’s dinged up.
Wouldn’t risk it either.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
J Wiggle Says:
August 19th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
I think DHB was targeted one time against Dallas, and the ball was forced to him. My concern would be more towards the play calling. I wonder why we didn’t see anything but deep routes from the outside WRs? What happened to the quick slants and the patterns that would get the ball in DHBs hand quicker so he could run with it? I’m really looking forward to seeing what he can do with those types of routes, and hopefully we get a taste of it Saturday.
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DHB was targeted on a 10 yd comeback opening play. Late throw nearly picked.
Only time he was thrown to.
Wouldn’t worry about the play calling just yet.
We’re not gonna get the full on wide oupen offense game one of pre season.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
duely noted!!
Boy you obviously haven’t see much training camp, DHB has tremendous work ethic if he didn’t I would much differently about it. But that kid worked his butt of this offseason to give him 4-5 days off in training camp due to soreness and exhaustion is IMO common sense. If it were Russsell you’s have a point.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
I could care less about what Denver is doing.
If we base what we do on what other teams do we’ll never get out of this toliet.
The kid (DHB) isn’t some old vet, he is young….I mean the fact that Jerry wrote about it should teall you all you need to know.
The writing is on the wall.
Our overpaid young players are dictating to their coach what they will and will not do.
Give me a break.
Challenge your players Cable and stop kissing their ass.
Unbelievebale!
August 19th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
If DHB gets hurt, it’s a plus for the team.
He’s a bust who’s on Al’s scholarship program.
You can’t draft in the first round from the combine, you need to look at film.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
With Chris Johnson out against Chicago, Routt will show all of us just what a horrible choice it was to offer him that ridiculous tender offer. It’s only a matter of whether it will be on the opening play or if it will be the 2nd or 3rd play. my guess is Chicago will target him early and will exploit him early. Chicago’s first six points will come from routt getting burned.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Agree with 29 & 30…
Well said
August 19th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Get to work, ON THE FIELD, or get out.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
[...] has missed four recent practices with what the Raiders are calling "fatigue," according to Jerry McDonald of the Contra Costa Times.Our View: The Raiders are selling it as a case of over-training, and [...]
August 19th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Taking practice off is for the season.
NOT THE PRESEASON.
Preseason sets a foundation for your season. if you look up the word opposite in the dictionary next to Jerry Rice it says DHB, they just added it today!
Our camp has been more like a vacation (Massage and bowling?)
August 19th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Right now the players should feel utter hate for their coaches….because of all the pain instilled.
That energy is just what they would need to beat teams up…but Cable is only interested in T-Shirts that say “looking for 53 men with one goal”
LOL
The goal is, take practice off if you get tired!
August 19th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Silver and Black Sleepers pt.1 UPDATE
Routt break out still in doubt…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2010_off_season
August 19th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
OK tough guy’s, does that go for DMC as well? DHB seems to always catch the wrath of the fans but DMC gets a pass. So we’ll see if the coaches have a point.
I care about opening day only this stuff coaches tring thei best to get to opening day as healthy as possible. If you’re healthy you have a real chance to compete injured you have no chance…..period
August 19th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RRRAAAAIIIIIIIDDDDDEEEERRRRSSSS!!!!!
2010 marks the return of the RRRRRAAAAIIIIIDDDDEEEERRRSSS!
August 19th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
35. Just being cautious and what if he is injured and Schilens is done for?
We may not want to announce we’re working a deal for Vincent Jackson…
August 19th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
This isn’t good news. Coach Elkins highlights a key concern…these aren’t seasoned veterans who produced that are sitting out.
These are the INEXPERIENCED, NO PRODUCTION, ALL POTENTIAL young players who still have not grasped…let alone mastered…the fundamentals of this game. THEY NEED TO BE OUT THERE!
So we have a new QB practicing with mostly the reserves?
Start the reserves
August 19th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
WHO cares if anyone gets hurt. No one can control it. SO who the hell cares?
Thats my point.
If we had the right machine(scheme) and the right driver(coach) in place the components(players) breaking down would be of little importance.
Crap…our third string won the game the other night.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Richard Seymour taking a day off…fine…he’s d-line veteran pro-bowler.
Chaz Schilens, DMAC, DHB…hell even gradkowski…they are missing a quarter to a half of the preseason.
Hopefull the lights come on. But one has to be concerned about whether these guys are getting in the work they need to get better…and they all have A LOT of work to do.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
August 19th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
With Chris Johnson out against Chicago, Routt will show all of us just what a horrible choice it was to offer him that ridiculous tender offer. It’s only a matter of whether it will be on the opening play or if it will be the 2nd or 3rd play. my guess is Chicago will target him early and will exploit him early. Chicago’s first six points will come from routt getting burned.
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Never know. Routt says he better on the at LCB than at Nickle. Jay Cutler played on eseries week oneof pres eason. Doubt we see much more than that especially since we killed Tony Romo 2 times on their opening drive.
Hard to tell much of anything in pre season but if he gets scorched by back up Matt Guiterez we’ll know somethin’ bad…
August 19th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
August 19th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
WHO cares if anyone gets hurt. No one can control it. SO who the hell cares?
Thats my point.
If we had the right machine(scheme) and the right driver(coach) in place the components(players) breaking down would be of little importance.
Crap…our third string won the game the other night.
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Your obviously a Coach in name only.
EVERYONE cares who gets injured!
Peyton Mannings injured? So what?
Anyone can produce with that scheme and coach right?
And why not replace Drew Brees instead of resigning him? Anyone can win it. He-ll they have a 3rd stringer don’t they?
Pizz on Larry Fitgerald anyone can catch if the schemes right!
August 19th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
I’m out…gotta get to work on this Video Playbook!
“The traveller with empty pockets will sing in the thief ’s face.”
August 19th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Priesttj,
After the Super Bowl…the winning coach or player always talk about how all the work started in the two-a-days….
Injuries are a part of the game and I am sure that Chaz, DMAC and DHB are more frustrated than any fan could be.
But the bottom line is that these YOUNG players missing swaths of camp time is not good for the regular season.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
[...] missed four recent practices with what the Raiders are calling “fatigue,” according to Jerry McDonald of the Contra Costa [...]
August 19th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
this is why i hate all of this new technology to a large extent. fans have 2 much access to unnecessary information. typical training camp injuries and sores that use to be normal are now overanalyzed by silly fans. young and old players need rest if the team feels like it. look at what happen to pecry harvin today. what any of you want to deal with that? just let the damn coaches and players get these guys ready for the REAL season and stop panicking. its always somethin to biotch about in here with most of u guys!!
jerry and his damn twitter!
August 19th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
look around the league at players that are guaranteed to miss a few months to a whole season already. u guys are getting bent out of shape over players that are missing practice to get healthy for the season opener. dhb dmc and chaz havent been ruled out for any games that matter but its the end of the world in here. give it a rest.
August 19th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
[...] Source: Oakland Tribune [...]
August 19th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
priest, a hammy is much different than “fatigue” I believe that he has some type of injury which for some unknown reason the CIA aka raiders management does not want the general public to know??? damn this team is frustrating!!!
August 19th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Armond thanks buddy
These guy’s are worse than a nagging wife on the rag. Evey little tweet is OMG!! he missed practice or dropped a pass CUT HIM!! lol
This normal everyday every team preseason camp………..period
August 19th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
Quotations “America is at an awkward stage…it’s too late to work within the system, and a little too early to shoot the bastards!” Claire Wolffe.
August 19th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
Well said Armond
August 20th, 2010 at 12:12 am
ridiculous getting worked up over this, when you workout that much it can make you exausted. muscles take time to repair themselfs not tomention that its preseason the starters don’t do any good if they spend the season on ir. mot to mention they are evaulating for cuts soon, better to be safe than sorry, and see what the depth chart has to offer.
August 20th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Pito
August 20th, 2010 at 1:07 am
211 yet?
August 20th, 2010 at 1:11 am
Beber mucho la cerveza. Comer de sobras del filete de los ciervo’s.
August 20th, 2010 at 1:14 am
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August 20th, 2010 at 2:09 am
# Raider E Says:
August 19th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
I really dont think these Raiders are gonna do a whole lot this year. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not feeling it.
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I have a similar feeling. Good defense in the first game, then the offense making some plays but stalling out by the red zone. McFadden or Jacoby Ford becoming an impact home run hitter is needed. DHB meant we passed on Kenny Britt, Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks. Get this, DHB was at least better than Brian Robiskie, and now that guy is turning the corner.
August 20th, 2010 at 3:00 am
DHB ran very hard to the bank after getting signed; now he’s fatigued. Grads was just trying to help him lift all those heavy bags of money into the car, and he tore his pec! While DHB was driving, D-Mac had to jump out of the way, to avoid being hit – and he tweaked a hammy. They SAY that Luke Lawton was suspended, but he just fell down the stairs and they were too embarrassed to admit it. Swayze Waters got punked by an Oakland “lady of the night”. Schilens has a witch doctor with a Chaz voo-doo doll — he just pokes it, and Chaz suddenly comes up lame (this guy was also Arman Shields’ doctor, a couple of years back). And there’s your Raider injury report – raaaaahhhhhhhh!
August 20th, 2010 at 4:05 am
Where is the blog entry to compare the Raiders to the 49ers, Jerry? You said it would be out yesterday evening. I would like to hear how fatigued Crabtree is.
August 20th, 2010 at 4:55 am
Jerry was probably too fatigued after his LONG trip back from Santa Clara to get the new block up!
August 20th, 2010 at 4:56 am
blog (or block)
August 20th, 2010 at 5:00 am
You think things are bad in OUR neck of the woods — Haynesworth has now offically missed all but 5 of the Redskins practices since they started training camp. Based on what he’s getting paid, anybody wanna break that down to how much he’s getting paid per actual practice session?
August 20th, 2010 at 5:03 am
Ruled out of the Bears game by Cable are running back Darren McFadden (hamstring), tight end Tony Stewart (ankle), linebacker Sam Williams (concussion), cornerback Chris Johnson (hamstring), wide receiver and Paul Hubbard (hamstring).
Cable said he would probably add more to that list, and with Schilens and Heyward-Bey almost certainly being on it.
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no Darris, Chaz or Paul Hubbard and we’ve added another TE because of Tony Stewart’s ankle?
expect to see lots of Murphy, Higgins, Ford & Watkins in the 1st half
Miller, Figurs, Bodiford in the 2nd half
TE’s Miller & Myers in the 1st half
TE’s Owens & Butler in the 2nd half
August 20th, 2010 at 5:05 am
CJ37 has been ruled out!
who is ready to see Routt exposed by Jay Cutler???
August 20th, 2010 at 5:06 am
busy work day today fellas. may check in @ lunch
Tbone, Texas … hold down the fort, would ya?
August 20th, 2010 at 5:10 am
I got to the office and told my employees that I am “fatigued”… can’t work. LOL
August 20th, 2010 at 6:03 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,I WONDER IF THERE R STAGES OF “FATIGUE” SAY,STAGE 1-5 WITH 5 BEING THE WORST OR MOST FATIGUED,OR 5-1 WITH 1 BEING THE SCARY #
August 20th, 2010 at 6:10 am
Yeah I remember Rice coming in fatigued for the Niners! 23 can’t catch a football and no toughness wow but hey he has a good attitude. RickeyDudleyHB is gonna rival the Russell pick!
August 20th, 2010 at 6:13 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Haha, NMF…but, DHB DID put work in the offseason! LOL
Fatigued? Don’t you get that from a combination of things? Overworking, lack of sleep, dehydration during some point, etc, etc…
Dirt Lot…I think being that young and fatigued and that he was #7 is REALLY SCARY!!!
August 20th, 2010 at 6:16 am
Priest,
As usual, you are cheerleading instead of thinking. Crabtree is better than DHB. It’s a fact, and even you with your rosy pink Raider glasses can’t deny that.
I like DHB. I think he’s a good kid, and he obviously works hard. But please don’t insult my and everyone else’s intelligence by drawing parallels between him and Marcus Allen.
And don’t tell me who to root for because I don’t follow the company line on DHB. I’ll root for who I damn well please, and if I happen to point out some inconvenient facts and you don’t like it, maybe you can go tell all your buddies in the front office and they can have me excommunicated or something.
Period.
August 20th, 2010 at 6:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 20th, 2010 at 5:05 am
CJ37 has been ruled out!
who is ready to see Routt exposed by Jay Cutler???
= = = = = = = = = =
if Routt gets burned by Cutler more than once… then i think its time to trade him
August 20th, 2010 at 6:32 am
WELL SAID SOUTHDAKOTARAIDER,BUT U HAVE 2 FIND A SUCKER FIRST.SOMEONE 2 TAKE ROUTT OFF THE RAIDERS HANDS..
August 20th, 2010 at 6:46 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
August 20th, 2010 at 6:32 am
WELL SAID SOUTHDAKOTARAIDER,BUT U HAVE 2 FIND A SUCKER FIRST.SOMEONE 2 TAKE ROUTT OFF THE RAIDERS HANDS..
Baltimore (maybe)? They are hurting for CB’s right?
August 20th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Good morning all.
August 20th, 2010 at 7:11 am
I’ve just done a week of early shifts.WTF does DHB know about being fatigued?
August 20th, 2010 at 7:22 am
I’m starting a 3 week VAC tomorrow, first since 2007, I know fatigue, and I’m twice his age! lol
August 20th, 2010 at 7:25 am
……..and I’m on nights next week.
Get some sleep,stop the drinking,eat some fruit and veg and stfu!!!!
August 20th, 2010 at 7:28 am
FATIGUE = CAN NOT CATCH THE BALL
August 20th, 2010 at 7:32 am
Takes a lot of energy to catch the ball.Must do.
August 20th, 2010 at 7:45 am
RRRRRRAAAAIIIIIDDDDDDEEERRRRRRSSSS!!!
August 20th, 2010 at 7:47 am
edward teach Says:
August 20th, 2010 at 6:16 am
Priest,
As usual, you are cheerleading instead of thinking. Crabtree is better than DHB.
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Some of you in here keep talking Crabtree and DHB. Crabtree is a possession guy, DHB is a flanker. They play different positions. That’s why the Whiners got Ted Ginn Jr. He plays the DHB position. If you are going to compare players, compare Crabtree to Shilens. This is football 101.
August 20th, 2010 at 7:51 am
Just Win Says:
August 20th, 2010 at 7:47 am
edward teach Says:
August 20th, 2010 at 6:16 am
Priest,
As usual, you are cheerleading instead of thinking. Crabtree is better than DHB.
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Some of you in here keep talking Crabtree and DHB. Crabtree is a possession guy, DHB is a flanker. They play different positions. That’s why the Whiners got Ted Ginn Jr. He plays the DHB position. If you are going to compare players, compare Crabtree to Shilens. This is football 101.
Exactly… and to me…who gives the flyin F**K about Crabtree? He’s not on my team, and he’s an fn diva!!!
August 20th, 2010 at 7:57 am
I’m too fatigued to argue over Crabtree and DHB.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:02 am
priesttj Says:
August 19th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
OK tough guy’s, does that go for DMC as well? DHB seems to always catch the wrath of the fans but DMC gets a pass. So we’ll see if the coaches have a point.
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In which universe or parallel dimension does McFadden get a pass from the fans? LMAO, nothing but hate for McFadden in here.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Off to get some dinner……if I can find the strength to eat it.
Enjoy your Friday and have a great weekend everyone.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:04 am
As to whether or not a player should have been drafted, it is fine to compare Crabtree and DHB. If a team drafts a DE over a RB (see Williams/Bush) those two players will forever be compared even though they don’t play the same position.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:05 am
If I were DHB and had HANDS OF STONE that weighed 50 lbs each, I would be fatigued too.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:26 am
One game dont prove sh!t Cable, as far as hitting goes. Isn’t he the one always preaching consistency? Don’t really care much for the way he conducts a training camp to be honest with you. Top two receivers are out sounds like cause for concern to me and all he can say is we will be OK. BS. Without a clear cut #1 WR, much like last year with the Schilens injury we are gonna be in for a long season if we can’t establish a dominant running game. Also hate the predictability of the play calling….change it up Hue! The first drive or two of the Dallas game, I musta called 95% of the plays correctly- run or pass. If me, as a fan can do that…we are in trouble.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Just Win, Hwnrdr…
You’re missing the point. Thanks for the Football 101 lesson, but I’m aware of the positional differences. The fact remains that Crabtree is a superior talent and he is better than anyone playing wide receiver for the Oakland Raiders at this point in history, regardless of whether they play X, Y or anyplace else on the field.
Saying that I would have rather we drafted Crabtree than DHB doesn’t make me a Niner fan, nor does it mean that I “care” about him. What it means is that I am viewing our situation objectively, and that the smart move would have been to take Crabtree over DHB. If we took him our passing game would be more productive, and I think it’s really difficult to argue against that with any credibility.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:33 am
Hey Teach, I agree with you on Crabtree. He is at this point superior to DHB…though I highly doubt he would be as productive as he is in a Raider offense. Just think how bad AP would be if he played for us, compared to what he has done in Minny.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:35 am
Ed Teach,
I hear ya…and (at least not me) wasn’t trying to give you a Football 101 lesson. I am just tired of hearing it and I guess, as long as they both play…I, along with everyone else, will continue to hear it!
Had Crabtree NOT blew a sigh of relief when his name wasn’t called by the Raiders…I would have wished we drafted him too…lol…but oh well!
August 20th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Teach, I think it’s too early to call DHB a bust, not enough league time, I think he’ll come around sooner than later, as will this Young team. We have the potential to be scary for the next 10 years IMO.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Mudslide,
Not arguing that point at all, but to say that he wouldn’t be better or more productive than Schilens or DHB (or anyone else on the roster, for that matter) is not even debatable. Talent is talent. Some teams get more out of theirs than others, but one has to think that the better player is going to do more for your team in the same situation as the less talented one.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:40 am
860,
This is what I mean about folks putting words in my mouth. I have been told that I should go root for the Niners, that I shouldn’t care about Crabtree, and now I’m reading that it’s too early for me to call DHB a bust.
I have never called DHB a bust. All I said was that Crabtree is a better player and we should have drafted him instead.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Teach,
Just seems to me that for the most part the Raiders are unable to maximize the talent of their players, notably the WRs, which is extremely unfortunate. Crabtree’s numbers last year are better than Schilens and DHB combined…and he didn’t even play a full season. Do you attribute that to the offensive talent which surrounds him, QB, scheme? I believe it’s all of the above. Your point well taken, Sir.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:45 am
Teach, dont trip. I am a Raider fan through and through….but I am also a fan of the NFL.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:45 am
DHB takes a beating in here, I say let it play out, 9ers can have Crabtree, and if DHB is used properly, gives our team more dimention than Crabtree brings to them.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:50 am
I wanna see it 860…proof is in the pudding….i find it so weak though that dude is out for 4 straight days…might as well make it 6 cause he aint gonna play on Saturday…due to fatigue. WTF? How tired can he be!
August 20th, 2010 at 8:50 am
# 860Todd Christensen Says:
August 20th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Teach, I think it’s too early to call DHB a bust, not enough league time, I think he’ll come around sooner than later, as will this Young team. We have the potential to be scary for the next 10 years IMO.
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I agree but at some point we have to stop having the potential and start doing the scary things. That goes for ALL the players.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:54 am
I’ve heard the “they have so much potential” or the “they have so much talent” arguments for the past 25 years.
Only time it amounted to anything was when Gruden was here.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:56 am
….But Al doesn’t think coaching is important…you can have all the talent in the world, but unqualified HCs are not going to maximize that talent, only destroy it.
Cable
Callahan
Bugel
White
Shell
August 20th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Mudslide,
I agree that we struggle with player development sometimes, and it seems that certain positions present more of a challlenge than others. Not sure why that is.
Our problems last year on offense were almost too numerous to count. The starting quarterback was in a daze most of the time and didn’t seem to mind, the o-line underperformed and the playcalling was utterly nonsensical. Based on the situation we were in before last season started, I thought (and posted as much) that Crabtree was perfect for the offense because he had a knack for getting open and would catch anything remotely close to him. A reliable receiver that could help move the chains would be great for a young quarterback’s confidence, would provide for more opportunities for Zach Miller and would as a result of being able to contribute first downs, keep our defense from spending two-thirds of the game on the field.
Whether it would have happened that way or not is open for debate, but to me it made a lot more sense than drafting an extremely raw “project” that couldn’t bring those things to the table.
August 20th, 2010 at 8:58 am
If DHB is a bust is Harvin one also?
August 20th, 2010 at 8:59 am
new guy to the blog!
DHB is hurt PERIOD, there is no way that guy stands there watching other guys that are also fatigued bust their a$$!! knowing they would resent him. Its a hammy and they don’t want to let on as this is a very sensitive issue right now with the Raiders.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:00 am
You can’t call DHB a bust yet….not after just one year. Probably not even after next year if he makes some progress this season.
I kid about his Hands of Stone, but he certainly is not a bust….yet.
But if he drops more balls than he catches this year, we may be able to call it earlier than expected lol.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:01 am
From my perspective, this is a make/break year for Tom Cable. I would say a .500 season would be the minimal acceptable performance. I actually DO expect to do better than that this year but that would be a minimum acceptable result. Make it and Cable continues. Not make it and Cable is history. If that were to be the case I could only hope that AD would go out & try to get John Gruden back as the HC.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:05 am
How can Harvin be considered a bust? Dude balled-out last year. The only thing busted is his head.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:06 am
Long time reader first time poster here. I MUST sound off. This organization pisses me off! First Al with his propensity to “dispel” rumors, hold press conferences for things other than lifting trophies, loser media releases to compare current unproven players to great PROVEN players, and all around EMBARASSING behavior to defend the “honor” of the organization.
Second, I have no problem with players getting rest to be ready and healthy for the season but man if DHB is hurt just tell us because i believe just sitting DHB is BS. At least have him work on some routes or play catch with a QB. In all honesty we don’t have the luxury of great proven receivers that we can say “hey at least we know come Sept 12 he’ll do his thing” Our receiving corps is young, unproven, and RAW. These guys need to get off their butts and hustle!
OK I feel better guys. I read all the comments to the blogs and you guys (most) are pretty insightful and make some good and bad observations. Looking forward to talking Raiders with you all!
August 20th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Harvin had one good year as a #1 draft pick, if he can’t return would that make him a bust?
August 20th, 2010 at 9:08 am
64,
No reason to beat around the bush during training camp/pre-season…call it what it is. During the regular season that’s a different story. By doing what they are doing they are insulting the intelligence of their fan base. Nothing to gain at this point by down-playing the severity of it.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:09 am
TW,
cant say that it would.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Hey RaiderDude, Al should let DHB sit in his wheelchair and place him in front of a jugs machine to practive his catching….hands only. what do you think?
August 20th, 2010 at 9:12 am
*practice*
August 20th, 2010 at 9:12 am
RaiderTW Says:
August 20th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Harvin had one good year as a #1 draft pick, if he can’t return would that make him a bust?
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Injuries or health problems do not equal bust in my mind…that is why I never call Ki-jana Carter a bust.
Not being able to perform at a high level at the position you were drafted at as a top draft pick after several seasons with minimal injury problems = bust.
Robert Gallery is a bust as the #2 pick and great LT!
August 20th, 2010 at 9:14 am
but he is a solid LG
August 20th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Yep, solid LG. Not exactly the 12 year dominating/franchise helping LT he was portrayed as…but a solid LG.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:17 am
OK, wasted #1 draft pick if he can’t play. At least DHB can come back to be a starter & maybe redeem his #1 status. If the Raiders drafted Harvin & now he had to retire the League would laff at us & call him a bust.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Captain, That was an epic mental picture i got. Al sitting in his cart a few feet away writing messages and tying them to a pigeons foot to deliver to the rumor mongers about how genious he is for picking DHB 7th overall and how it was his idea to let him borrow his wheelchair.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Yo Captain-
Exactly and well put yet the Raiders have done that in the past. Our team is the most paranoid franchise in sports, thus we don’t even get to hear Hue Jackson….even in the preseason!!
August 20th, 2010 at 9:21 am
LOL @ RAIDERdude….Al takin all the credit. That’s the only way it could be.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:21 am
RaiderTW Says:
August 20th, 2010 at 9:17 am
OK, wasted #1 draft pick if he can’t play. At least DHB can come back to be a starter & maybe redeem his #1 status. If the Raiders drafted Harvin & now he had to retire the League would laff at us & call him a bust.
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Don’t be so paranoid. I don’t think the NFL or the media would laugh at us and call Harvin a bust had we drafted him…they know the difference between a medical condition, and actual failure as a player. No one called Leon Bender a bust or even a wasted draft pick because he was drafted by the Raiders and died.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:22 am
TW,
as it stands Harvin and bust do not belong in the same sentence.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:24 am
I agree 64…and in a way I think we are our own worst enemies.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:25 am
Now if Harvin’s “migraines” are a result of excessive marijuana use which ends in his retirement, then you can call him a bust.
Harvin, you have to drink some water while getting high!
August 20th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Lol those fugitives were caught….in ARIZONA!
They had the authorities looking everywhere but Arizona! Lucky park ranger stumbled onto them….well, lucky that he didn’t end up dead park ranger…
August 20th, 2010 at 9:31 am
i agree Lakota….not being able to play due to certain vices is grounds for bust status. Guess, ol’ #2 is a multi-faceted bust.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:32 am
ow if Harvin’s “migraines” are a result of excessive marijuana use which ends in his retirement, then you can call him a bust.
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NOW who’s being paranoid? lol, I suppose excessive marijuana use is the responsible form MOST of the world’s ills. How did Bob Marley do in life? George Washington, almost all rock groups in the 60s 70s 80s? It doesn’t pay to be paranoid about pot unless you are in the act of smoking it. Educate yourself on the practice, it’s a healing herb not a rightwing tool for fear, Lako.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Hey TW, i agree with what you are saying, but when it comes to being a member of an elite fraternity such as the NFL it pays to stay above the influence.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:38 am
It isn’t paranoia TW, Harvin tested positive for marijuana at the scouting combine. Excessive marijuana use can result in sever headaches. That is fact.
As to the other issue you brought up…I work with people who have had their lives destroyed by drugs and in the vast majority of cases they started with marijuana.
August 20th, 2010 at 9:40 am
but when it comes to being a member of an elite fraternity such as the NFL it pays to stay above the influence.
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Agreed, it also helps to put out your best effort instead of pocketing the money & coasting (JaSuckus).
August 20th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Excessive marijuana use can result in sever headaches. Excessive marijuana use can result in sever headaches.That is fact.
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Hahahaha, one you would have to prove!!!
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I work with people who have had their lives destroyed by drugs and in the vast majority of cases they started with marijuana.
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If marijuana is a gateway to harder drugs then Religion is the gateway to psychosis!!!
August 20th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Enough about me … back to the question about Harvin. Whether his headaches are marijuana-induced or not, in no way can he be considered a bust along he same magnitude of JaDrankus or Leaflet. These were two teams who sank a buttload of money and built their whole teams around two individuals (the quarterbacks) and those guys never assumed leadership and then abandoned their teams. Becuase of Favre, a lot of people didn’t even notice that Harvin wasn’t on the field very much. You could call him a “bust”, just on a different level.
August 20th, 2010 at 10:01 am
on what level, tbone? all he did was contribute to his teams success.
August 20th, 2010 at 10:01 am
I am curious to see what Butler can bring to the table tomorrow night …
August 20th, 2010 at 10:18 am
SDR “if Routt gets burned by Cutler more than once… then i think its time to trade him”
DIRT-LOT “U HAVE 2 FIND A SUCKER FIRST.SOMEONE 2 TAKE ROUTT OFF THE RAIDERS HANDS..”
Hwnrdr “Baltimore (maybe)? They are hurting for CB’s right?”
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SDR, Dirt Lot & Hwnrdr – interesting take fellas
I would love to unload Routt via trade, if he has any trade value (doubtful)
Sounds like rookie DB’s McFadden, Ware & Brown can hold down CB spots 3-5 after Nnamdi & CJ
Huff, Branch, Mitchell and Boyd/Eugene at safety
August 20th, 2010 at 10:24 am
# raidertbone Says:
August 20th, 2010 at 10:01 am
I am curious to see what Butler can bring to the table tomorrow night …
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Why? We need another TE like we need a 3rd butthole. ZMiller, BMeyers, & Stewart/Owens are more than we’ll ever need for a season.
August 20th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Fathers*
RR,
Make the Me the Leader of the Green Part!!!
August 20th, 2010 at 10:26 am
new post!
August 20th, 2010 at 10:26 am
DHB is hurt, and Al is covering for him.
That’s my two cents. The DHB experiment has been Al’s little pet project from day one.
Drafted too high, forced to start, out with some bogus injury late last year, the press release detailing how great he is “working” in the offseason, and now this “fatigue” with a giant wrap around his leg.
Where’s MaddenRaider when you actually need him!!
August 20th, 2010 at 10:28 am
I am still intrigued by Owens; like Brennan, tomorrow night is his audition for his next team — unless he blows up like Victor Cruz, in New York (highly unlikely)
August 20th, 2010 at 10:30 am
I agree on wanting to se what Brennan has.
August 20th, 2010 at 10:30 am
RMR is on the sideline, consoling DHB for the hard luck he is experiencing in life (or, maybe, giving him the phone number of one of the Kar-TRASH-ian ho’s).
August 20th, 2010 at 10:30 am
170. Wish they’d get rid of Stewart. Worthless on the field most of the time.
August 20th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Stewart HAS been hanging around a long time, considering the limited amount of productivity. It was a good pick-up, bringing in Myers last year.
August 20th, 2010 at 10:47 am
I just saw Sylvester Stallone on the cover of the new Muscle&Fitness. All I can say is this: Cable should bring this guy in for one of the practices — he would have players running through stone walls … anybody seen the cast member line-up for the movie “The Expendables”?
August 22nd, 2010 at 1:28 am
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August 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 am
I think I got this figured out. He is so good now. That to expose his talents to the rest of the league at this early stage would be a disadvantage. He will come is as a shocking suprise that no one expects and lead the league in receiving once the real games start.