Raiders by the numbers
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, August 25th, 2010 at 4:17 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Interesting bar conversation article by CNN-SI, ranking the NFL’s greatest players by number.
The Raiders had five players ranked as the best to ever wear their respective numbers: Jim Otto (00), Fred Biletnikoff (25), Todd Christensen (46), Tim Brown (81) and Ted Hendricks (83).
The following players were listed as runner-ups with the winner in parenthesis: Lester Hayes (37/Doak Walker), Dave Dalby (50/Mike Singletary), Art Shell (78/Anthony Munoz), Dave Casper (87/Dwight Clark) and Chester McGlockton (91/Kevin Greene).
The Catch over The Ghost to the Post? Doesn’t the Hall of Fame count for anything?
The following players were listed as worthy of consideration with the winner in parenthesis: Daryle Lamonica (3/Bronko Nagurski), Ray Guy (8/Troy Aikman), Ken Stabler (12/Tom Brady), George Blanda (16/Joe Montana), Cliff Branch (21/Deion Sanders), Mike Haynes (22/Emmitt Smith), Willie Brown, Charles Woodson (24/Lenny Moore), Mark van Eeghen (30/Terrell Davis), Marcus Allen, Jack Tatum (32/Jim Brown), Bo Jackson (34/Walter Payton), Otis Sistrunk (60/Otto Graham), Gene Upshaw (63/Willie Lanier), Henry Lawrence (70/Sam Huff), and Howie Long (75/Deacon Jones).
Charles Woodson was also listed as worthy of consideration at No. 21, his number with the Green Bay Packers. I didn’t include players listed as worthy of consideration or outright winners (such as Jerry Rice at No. 80) who built their reputations with other teams even though they wore the same number with the Raiders.
I’ll pass along a post-practice update with some news and notes as relayed by beat writer Steve Corkran later today . . .
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August 25th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
# fat kidd Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
and jamarcus russell just took 36 million california dollars too louisiana.
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So Al Davis is ruining California.
Oh, and first.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Dwight Clark over The Ghost? The guy caught one freakin’ pass.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Also, “The Catch” was a designed play. Clark knew where that ball was going to be, so it’s not like he salvaged a bad throw with superior receiving skills. Other than The Catch, I don’t know what Clark did. I’m sure he had big numbers in that west coast system, but I don’t recall him doing anything spectacular other than The Catch, which, again, was a designed play.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Yeh, so anyways, Casper got screwed. But I can’t argue with the rest of their rankings.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Dwight Clark over Dave Casper?
Must have had an intern do that one.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
per Twitter:
VittorioTafur – Veldheer at first-team center 3 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
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Looks like Cable is going to give the kid a chance this weekend. Now’s your chance rookie…the table’s set, are you man enough to sit at it!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Clark over Casper is a joke.Also question Lanier over Upshaw and Munoz over Shell-those were at least equals!Seems like a lot of love for ex cowgirls.While Aikman was a great QB,Guy was the greatest player at his position in the history of the game.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Honestly, I hope Mario works out at LT because from what I’ve seen of Veldheer (granted, not much, but he does LOOK promising) at center he definitely brings a physical presence that I don’t see with Satele or Morris. He’s certainly big enough to handle nose tackles and would probably bulk up a little more should he end up there.
Hold down the fort, Mario!
August 25th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
I used to call DeBartolo’s arrest “The Catch”, just to piss Niner fans off.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
I used to call DeBartolo’s arrest “The Catch”, just to piss Niner fans off.
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LOL
August 25th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
They get really pissed when you do that, Teach. You should try it if you’re ever around some of them.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
I try to avoid them whenever possible, but it might be worth it just to get the reaction.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
MR said
Only problem is it’s controlled by a few wealthy people. We drive them out, and get the right people in government to control the agriculture and distribute the profits fairly amongst the citizens, we don’t need any of those businesses that are leaving California. We’d be able to start new ones in their respective industries. F*** them. Anybody threatening to leave California…GO! Please.
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I think you just say stupid things like this to get in typefights.
Nobody could be this ignorant unless its a 40 year old virgin who once aspired to be a used car salesman and now dreams of bumping uglies with family members when he is not hating all things Raiders.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
And away we go….
August 25th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
You have no response Plunkett because either a) you don’t have a better solution, or b) you have something to gain from the current ownership of California’s agriculture. Respond with as much ignorance as you want, you can’t hide that.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Notice how despite some disagreements, the discussion was civil until Plunkethead joined?
August 25th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Clark over Casper is a joke.
The most amazing is Vinny Testaverde is worthy of consideration at #16 but two-time Super Bowl champ Jim Plunkett isn’t?
August 25th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
# fat kidd Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
the only reason i would go to that side of the bay bridge is if nancy pelosi wanted me too service her…
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Ewwww. That’s a reason I’d pass.
…………….no she is hot gets my evenrude running.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Value of NFL teams declines according to Forbes
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 25, 2010 7:41 PM ET
The average value of NFL teams fell last year for the first time since Forbes Magazine started tracking data in 1998. Overall, the magazine says teams declined in total value by 2%. That was mostly caused by the bottom six teams falling anywhere from 5-16%.
This all sounds nice and it drives pageviews to Forbes, but does it really mean anything without knowing more financial information?
For instance, Forbes said last time the Rams were worth $913 million. It’s believed Stan Kroenke bought 60% of the team based on an overall franchise value of $750 million.
So how does Forbes value the Rams now? $779 million. (Magic!)
I’m not smart enough to know if the Rams really lost that much value or if Forbes just had to correct the number and admit how difficult NFL teams are to evaluate.
It’s fun to see the rankings of the teams — hey, the Redskins are good at something! — but the Forbes rankings seem too imprecise to be used as a chip in the upcoming labor battle.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Re: the Forbes article on team values declining
As the NFLPA President says, show me the books.
August 25th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
This whole clark over casper stuff is pointless. Who cares? Its not only a matter of opinion (cnn/si), but there’s no reward that goes with it.Im sure ghost isnt losing sleep over it. Now if you wanna get pissed, bring up why Lester Hayes and Ray Guy arent in HOF. THAT actually has MEANING!….Im just sayin’
August 25th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
raiders value has declined 36 million source j. russell
August 25th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
MR,now you are the man! post 22, stick around,you may be usefull yet!!! RAIDERS!!!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
So, Raiders’ value is declining due to Davis’s foolish spending.
August 25th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Excuse me for being truthful
August 25th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
now if j. russell was smart he would get some grape juice mfg. too put his picture on a bottle and call it purple drank!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
fat kidd Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
now if j. russell was smart he would get some grape juice mfg. too put his picture on a bottle and call it purple drank!!!
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We already know the answer to that…He’s not smart
August 25th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
POST 26,Its ok for ya to take a vacation,try Alaska, nic and cool for ya!!!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
According to twitter, Veldheer running at starting center – Whoopie! It’s certainly about time. Now, let’s move Walker to RG and start working on the ORT vacancy. I got an idea, how about workout warrior BCampell? Either that or keep Walker at ORT and use BCampbell at RG. Actually, I like the 1st iteration best. Put a TE next to BCampbell if you are worried about pass protection. The delay on going out for the pass, due to chip blocking , could work in ZMiller’s favor.
August 25th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
#16 Best post by Coach ever.
August 25th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
What number are the Raiders at in Forbes top 32?
24, soon to be top ten?
August 25th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Sorry it was #18
August 25th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
I have to be in L.A. Saturday night at a function during the game. Does anyone know if it will be replayed on TV later that night so I could watch it at my hotel? I thought I thought I read in here last week it was replayed on KTLA at midnight.
August 25th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Yo Fat Kidd,contact MSavage,Kidd owns Rockstar,just shoot him an email at his website! RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
VittorioTafur – Good one: someone here just said getting burned is Huff’s Forte … They’re kidding of course – it’s all love Michael Huff 10 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
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OUCH!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
At this point in the season, I have One Thought, RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
hendu Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
At this point in the season, I have One Thought, RAIDERS
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August 25th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Whats up Raider Nation!!!! havent been on here much lately my wife was in the hospital for bedrest… all is better now she finally had the baby and there home safe after a couple months…
August 25th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
whats up FATT BOY!!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
It looks like we’ll finally get a chance to find out if all there’s fire behind all the smoke when it comes to interest in Manny Ramirez.
A baseball source confirmed to FanHouse’s Jeff Fletcher that the Dodgers have placed the outfielder on waivers on Wednesday, which means teams have until Friday to put in a claim. If someone does claim Manny, the Dodgers have until Tuesday to decide whether to let him walk, pull him back or work out a trade with the claiming team
August 25th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
VittorioTafur – Raiders say stay tuned for Hue Jackson talking to media — it’s Day 211 and counting 25 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
VittorioTafur – Hue Jackson walks to podium, reporters get excited … and Hue says … “Psych” … and walks away smiling … Tremendous 10 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
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Raiders are messing with the media…CLASSIC!
August 25th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Vito Tafur hasn’t had Twitter posts this good all camp…
August 25th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
we got tooooo many freakin LB’S!!!! time to start making some much needed moves for some offensive upgrades…guys that need to be traded that have some value.. thomas howard, sam williams, hiram eugene, chris johnson!!! cooper carlisle.. we need to move some of these guys for a vet WR and a either an OG or a second RB
August 25th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Could the Browns cut Colt McCoy and could he be heading to the Raiders?
The winningest quarterback in college football history may be cut before he has a chance to take a single meaningful snap in the NFL.Cleveland Browns rookie quarterback Colt McCoy is “on the bubble” to make the team’s final 53-man roster, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Coaches are reportedly more impressed with veteran newcomers Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace…His agent says a team in California has expressed interest.
August 25th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
# 30 year raider Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
we got tooooo many freakin LB’S!!!! time to start making some much needed moves for some offensive upgrades…guys that need to be traded that have some value.. thomas howard, sam williams, hiram eugene, chris johnson!!! cooper carlisle.. we need to move some of these guys for a vet WR and a either an OG or a second RB
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Thomas Howard has minimal value at this point in his career…Williams, Eugene, Carlisle have ZERO value! Chris Johnson isn’t going anywhere any time soon…
August 25th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Owners, players clash over adding games
August 25 Minneapolis Star Tribune Share Article”NFL owners are expected to approve an 18-game schedule beginning in 2012 when they meet Wednesday in Atlanta. But that doesn’t mean an expanded regular season immediately will become a done deal.
In fact, it would be only the first and easiest of three steps. The other two include working out agreements with broadcasters and the players’ union through what promises to be rocky labor negotiations when the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) expires in March.
“An 18-game schedule is not going to be easy to put in place,” said Steve Hutchinson, Vikings left guard and team union representative. “That’s another eighth of a season they’re going to be asking us to play. The owners got to do what they got to do on their end. But from the union’s standpoint, we have to figure out a way to compensate us for two more games. If it’s cut and dried and there’s two more regular-season games and they figure out the compensation, that’s one thing. But somehow I don’t think that’s going to be the case.”
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, citing the poor quality of meaningless preseason games, has suggested for some time the idea of adding two regular-season games and reducing the preseason games from four games to two. The owners are united behind him. Vikings owner Zygi Wilf deferred to the league’s stance on the issue when asked to comment Tuesday
August 25th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Raiders!!!
08-25-10: 2ND TO LAST PRACTICE! Veldheer with the 1st string, DMac back, Bey looking good…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/camp_2010
August 25th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Jerry!
Victor still has you linked as a tweet friend even though you removed him from tweetbuddies weeks ago.
Whats up with that?
August 25th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
46. I know. I hate to death the fact these rich aholes are trying to ruin our game for pure profit. Short term thinking jerks.
They sincerely don’t give a fugg what we think. They only see the dollar signs. New when Tagliabue sold us out to the corporations this would happen.
Its the corporate American way to take something perfectly fine and tweak it and add sh*-t to it till it sucks.
NO to 18 GAMES!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
WB 30 year
I hope your wife stays well.
August 25th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
# itzSteve Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
# 30 year raider Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
we got tooooo many freakin LB’S!!!! time to start making some much needed moves for some offensive upgrades…guys that need to be traded that have some value.. thomas howard, sam williams, hiram eugene, chris johnson!!! cooper carlisle.. we need to move some of these guys for a vet WR and a either an OG or a second RB
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Thomas Howard has minimal value at this point in his career…Williams, Eugene, Carlisle have ZERO value! Chris Johnson isn’t going anywhere any time soon…
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i beg to differ steve… imo howard still has pass coverage value in a pass happy leaugue.. i would not be oppossed to us keeping him but we need a veteran wideout.. williams is still a very good special team player and carlisle is our starting RG.. throw in chris johnson and someone WILL BITE!!
August 25th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
WB 30 year
I hope your wife stays well.
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THANK YOU PLUNK!! APPRECIATE THAT!!
August 25th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
# itzSteve Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
# 30 year raider Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
we got tooooo many freakin LB’S!!!! time to start making some much needed moves for some offensive upgrades…guys that need to be traded that have some value.. thomas howard, sam williams, hiram eugene, chris johnson!!! cooper carlisle.. we need to move some of these guys for a vet WR and a either an OG or a second RB
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Thomas Howard has minimal value at this point in his career…Williams, Eugene, Carlisle have ZERO value! Chris Johnson isn’t going anywhere any time soon…
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i beg to differ steve… imo howard still has pass coverage value in a pass happy leaugue.. i would not be oppossed to us keeping him but we need a veteran wideout.. williams is still a very good special team player and carlisle is our starting RG.. throw in chris johnson and someone WILL BITE!!
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Howards only value to the Raiders is on long yardage downs and on special teams. He would definitely be an upgrade over Williams and Eugene in that regard. Starting LBs usually don’t play special teams, but since will be a backup now, special teams will definitely be a factor if he is kept(and I think he should be).
Even though Chris Johnson has his issues at times on the outside, he is still a way better option than the two rookies Ware and McFadden. Routt may pass him on the depth chart, but I will never put my trust in Routt to be a consistent performer.
Sam Williams should have been cut two years ago, if not longer…he can’t make any other team than the Raiders due to the overall lack of talent we have had lately at LB.
Cooper Carlisle can still be effective as a backup (barely…), but I am hoping that either Campbell steps up soon to take the spot, or Cable moves Walker from RT to RG and gives Veldheer or Barnes a chance to perform at RT.
We are too far into camp to get a significant deal done with most teams for a WR as everyone is usually bunkered in with who they have at this point. We actually have better depth than some teams…(who is Farve gonna throw the ball to this year…Javon Walker?). The only two situations where I see a possibe trade partner is Dallas for Patrick Crayton and the Dolts for Vincent Jackson (but they wont’t deal him to us).
I still think we need to bring in Kevin Mawae to see if he has anything in the tank…
August 25th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
I’d take Patrick Crayton — as long as we didn’t give up too much in the process.
August 25th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
53. itzSteve Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
# itzSteve Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
# 30 year raider Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
we got tooooo many freakin LB’S!!!! time to start making some much needed moves for some offensive upgrades…guys that need to be traded that have some value.. thomas howard, sam williams, hiram eugene, chris johnson!!! cooper carlisle.. we need to move some of these guys for a vet WR and a either an OG or a second RB
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Thomas Howard has minimal value at this point in his career…Williams, Eugene, Carlisle have ZERO value! Chris Johnson isn’t going anywhere any time soon…
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i beg to differ steve… imo howard still has pass coverage value in a pass happy leaugue.. i would not be oppossed to us keeping him but we need a veteran wideout.. williams is still a very good special team player and carlisle is our starting RG.. throw in chris johnson and someone WILL BITE!!
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Howards only value to the Raiders is on long yardage downs and on special teams. He would definitely be an upgrade over Williams and Eugene in that regard. Starting LBs usually don’t play special teams, but since will be a backup now, special teams will definitely be a factor if he is kept(and I think he should be).
Even though Chris Johnson has his issues at times on the outside, he is still a way better option than the two rookies Ware and McFadden. Routt may pass him on the depth chart, but I will never put my trust in Routt to be a consistent performer.
Sam Williams should have been cut two years ago, if not longer…he can’t make any other team than the Raiders due to the overall lack of talent we have had lately at LB.
Cooper Carlisle can still be effective as a backup (barely…), but I am hoping that either Campbell steps up soon to take the spot, or Cable moves Walker from RT to RG and gives Veldheer or Barnes a chance to perform at RT.
We are too far into camp to get a significant deal done with most teams for a WR as everyone is usually bunkered in with who they have at this point. We actually have better depth than some teams…(who is Farve gonna throw the ball to this year…Javon Walker?). The only two situations where I see a possibe trade partner is Dallas for Patrick Crayton and the Dolts for Vincent Jackson (but they wont’t deal him to us).
I still think we need to bring in Kevin Mawae to see if he has anything in the tank…
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ive been calling for kevin mawae for the last 4 months…he is far better than morris and would be a great mentor foe big veldheer and cambpell… dallas would bite on thomas howard for pat crayton– im all for that move if we can make it happen.. the bottom line is that we can not count on chaz shillens or heyward bey..
August 25th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
I agree: DHB will never be the #1 he was drafted to be; he is a serviceable #2, at best (but he hasn’t even proven himself as that, yet.
If Dallas would bite on Howard for Crayton straight-up, I’d make that deal tonight (I’d even give them a choice of Howard, Sam Williams, or Ricky Brown).
We should have tried to get Camarillo from the Dolphins before the Vikes got him. I still like Brian Robiskie (Terry’s boy) from the Browns.
August 25th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
something ive been thinking about… can t. branch move frm safety to cb???? if this can happen then we can move chris johnson like i have suggested.. by doing this we can get mike mitchell and steve brown on the field more..
August 25th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
in order for us to get a mario manningham type WR not saying him directly but someone of that caliber we have to move someone of value, chris johnson would be our most expendable player imo..
August 25th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Branch ain’t no corner!
August 25th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Trade Thomas Howard for Otis Taylor!
August 25th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
aidertbone Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Branch ain’t no corner!
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thats what everyone said about asamouagh too!!
August 25th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
30 Year:
He’s an All-Pro dude! At least spell his name right!
August 25th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
# raidertbone Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
30 Year:
He’s an All-Pro dude! At least spell his name right!
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OHH excuse me princess for not spelling correctly on a blog.. ypu should be more concerned about our lack of a veteran WR than my spelling there guy… but the fact remains that branch is fast and can cover.. dont be surprised if this happens sooner than later if johnson and routt dont perform.. plus it gives steve brown and mitch more playing time
August 26th, 2010 at 12:16 am
LOL…Albert Lewis (Kansas City)..wanting no reference to when Lewis was a Raider on that 4-12 debacle in 97
August 26th, 2010 at 4:26 am
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