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Raiders by the numbers

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, August 25th, 2010 at 4:17 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Interesting bar conversation article by CNN-SI, ranking the NFL’s greatest players by number.

The Raiders had five players ranked as the best to ever wear their respective numbers: Jim Otto (00), Fred Biletnikoff (25), Todd Christensen (46), Tim Brown (81) and Ted Hendricks (83).

The following players were listed as runner-ups with the winner in parenthesis: Lester Hayes (37/Doak Walker), Dave Dalby (50/Mike Singletary), Art Shell (78/Anthony Munoz), Dave Casper (87/Dwight Clark) and Chester McGlockton (91/Kevin Greene).

The Catch over The Ghost to the Post? Doesn’t the Hall of Fame count for anything?

The following players were listed as worthy of consideration with the winner in parenthesis: Daryle Lamonica (3/Bronko Nagurski), Ray Guy (8/Troy Aikman), Ken Stabler (12/Tom Brady), George Blanda (16/Joe Montana), Cliff Branch (21/Deion Sanders), Mike Haynes (22/Emmitt Smith), Willie Brown, Charles Woodson (24/Lenny Moore), Mark van Eeghen (30/Terrell Davis), Marcus Allen, Jack Tatum (32/Jim Brown), Bo Jackson (34/Walter Payton), Otis Sistrunk (60/Otto Graham), Gene Upshaw (63/Willie Lanier), Henry Lawrence (70/Sam Huff), and Howie Long (75/Deacon Jones).

Charles Woodson was also listed as worthy of consideration at No. 21, his number with the Green Bay Packers. I didn’t include players listed as worthy of consideration or outright winners (such as Jerry Rice at No. 80) who built their reputations with other teams even though they wore the same number with the Raiders.

I’ll pass along a post-practice update with some news and notes as relayed by beat writer Steve Corkran later today . . .

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  • 30 year raider

    # itzSteve Says:
    August 25th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    # 30 year raider Says:
    August 25th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    we got tooooo many freakin LB’S!!!! time to start making some much needed moves for some offensive upgrades…guys that need to be traded that have some value.. thomas howard, sam williams, hiram eugene, chris johnson!!! cooper carlisle.. we need to move some of these guys for a vet WR and a either an OG or a second RB
    _____________________

    Thomas Howard has minimal value at this point in his career…Williams, Eugene, Carlisle have ZERO value! Chris Johnson isn’t going anywhere any time soon…
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    i beg to differ steve… imo howard still has pass coverage value in a pass happy leaugue.. i would not be oppossed to us keeping him but we need a veteran wideout.. williams is still a very good special team player and carlisle is our starting RG.. throw in chris johnson and someone WILL BITE!!

  • 30 year raider

    # Plunketthead Says:
    August 25th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    WB 30 year
    I hope your wife stays well.
    #
    ################################

    THANK YOU PLUNK!! APPRECIATE THAT!!

  • itzSteve

    # itzSteve Says:
    August 25th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    # 30 year raider Says:
    August 25th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    we got tooooo many freakin LB’S!!!! time to start making some much needed moves for some offensive upgrades…guys that need to be traded that have some value.. thomas howard, sam williams, hiram eugene, chris johnson!!! cooper carlisle.. we need to move some of these guys for a vet WR and a either an OG or a second RB
    _____________________

    Thomas Howard has minimal value at this point in his career…Williams, Eugene, Carlisle have ZERO value! Chris Johnson isn’t going anywhere any time soon…
    ####################################

    i beg to differ steve… imo howard still has pass coverage value in a pass happy leaugue.. i would not be oppossed to us keeping him but we need a veteran wideout.. williams is still a very good special team player and carlisle is our starting RG.. throw in chris johnson and someone WILL BITE!!

    _______________________

    Howards only value to the Raiders is on long yardage downs and on special teams. He would definitely be an upgrade over Williams and Eugene in that regard. Starting LBs usually don’t play special teams, but since will be a backup now, special teams will definitely be a factor if he is kept(and I think he should be).

    Even though Chris Johnson has his issues at times on the outside, he is still a way better option than the two rookies Ware and McFadden. Routt may pass him on the depth chart, but I will never put my trust in Routt to be a consistent performer.

    Sam Williams should have been cut two years ago, if not longer…he can’t make any other team than the Raiders due to the overall lack of talent we have had lately at LB.

    Cooper Carlisle can still be effective as a backup (barely…), but I am hoping that either Campbell steps up soon to take the spot, or Cable moves Walker from RT to RG and gives Veldheer or Barnes a chance to perform at RT.

    We are too far into camp to get a significant deal done with most teams for a WR as everyone is usually bunkered in with who they have at this point. We actually have better depth than some teams…(who is Farve gonna throw the ball to this year…Javon Walker?). The only two situations where I see a possibe trade partner is Dallas for Patrick Crayton and the Dolts for Vincent Jackson (but they wont’t deal him to us).

    I still think we need to bring in Kevin Mawae to see if he has anything in the tank…

  • raidertbone

    I’d take Patrick Crayton — as long as we didn’t give up too much in the process.

  • 30 year raider

    53. itzSteve Says:
    August 25th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    # itzSteve Says:
    August 25th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    # 30 year raider Says:
    August 25th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    we got tooooo many freakin LB’S!!!! time to start making some much needed moves for some offensive upgrades…guys that need to be traded that have some value.. thomas howard, sam williams, hiram eugene, chris johnson!!! cooper carlisle.. we need to move some of these guys for a vet WR and a either an OG or a second RB
    _____________________

    Thomas Howard has minimal value at this point in his career…Williams, Eugene, Carlisle have ZERO value! Chris Johnson isn’t going anywhere any time soon…
    ####################################

    i beg to differ steve… imo howard still has pass coverage value in a pass happy leaugue.. i would not be oppossed to us keeping him but we need a veteran wideout.. williams is still a very good special team player and carlisle is our starting RG.. throw in chris johnson and someone WILL BITE!!

    _______________________

    Howards only value to the Raiders is on long yardage downs and on special teams. He would definitely be an upgrade over Williams and Eugene in that regard. Starting LBs usually don’t play special teams, but since will be a backup now, special teams will definitely be a factor if he is kept(and I think he should be).

    Even though Chris Johnson has his issues at times on the outside, he is still a way better option than the two rookies Ware and McFadden. Routt may pass him on the depth chart, but I will never put my trust in Routt to be a consistent performer.

    Sam Williams should have been cut two years ago, if not longer…he can’t make any other team than the Raiders due to the overall lack of talent we have had lately at LB.

    Cooper Carlisle can still be effective as a backup (barely…), but I am hoping that either Campbell steps up soon to take the spot, or Cable moves Walker from RT to RG and gives Veldheer or Barnes a chance to perform at RT.

    We are too far into camp to get a significant deal done with most teams for a WR as everyone is usually bunkered in with who they have at this point. We actually have better depth than some teams…(who is Farve gonna throw the ball to this year…Javon Walker?). The only two situations where I see a possibe trade partner is Dallas for Patrick Crayton and the Dolts for Vincent Jackson (but they wont’t deal him to us).

    I still think we need to bring in Kevin Mawae to see if he has anything in the tank…

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    ive been calling for kevin mawae for the last 4 months…he is far better than morris and would be a great mentor foe big veldheer and cambpell… dallas would bite on thomas howard for pat crayton– im all for that move if we can make it happen.. the bottom line is that we can not count on chaz shillens or heyward bey..

  • raidertbone

    I agree: DHB will never be the #1 he was drafted to be; he is a serviceable #2, at best (but he hasn’t even proven himself as that, yet.
    If Dallas would bite on Howard for Crayton straight-up, I’d make that deal tonight (I’d even give them a choice of Howard, Sam Williams, or Ricky Brown).
    We should have tried to get Camarillo from the Dolphins before the Vikes got him. I still like Brian Robiskie (Terry’s boy) from the Browns.

  • 30 year raider

    something ive been thinking about… can t. branch move frm safety to cb???? if this can happen then we can move chris johnson like i have suggested.. by doing this we can get mike mitchell and steve brown on the field more..

  • 30 year raider

    in order for us to get a mario manningham type WR not saying him directly but someone of that caliber we have to move someone of value, chris johnson would be our most expendable player imo..

  • raidertbone

    Branch ain’t no corner!

  • raidertbone

    Trade Thomas Howard for Otis Taylor!

  • 30 year raider

    aidertbone Says:
    August 25th, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    Branch ain’t no corner!
    ################################

    thats what everyone said about asamouagh too!!

  • raidertbone

    30 Year:
    He’s an All-Pro dude! At least spell his name right!

  • 30 year raider

    # raidertbone Says:
    August 25th, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    30 Year:
    He’s an All-Pro dude! At least spell his name right!
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    OHH excuse me princess for not spelling correctly on a blog.. ypu should be more concerned about our lack of a veteran WR than my spelling there guy… but the fact remains that branch is fast and can cover.. dont be surprised if this happens sooner than later if johnson and routt dont perform.. plus it gives steve brown and mitch more playing time

  • RaiderSam

    LOL…Albert Lewis (Kansas City)..wanting no reference to when Lewis was a Raider on that 4-12 debacle in 97

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