Veldheer on the fast track
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, August 25th, 2010 at 7:52 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Tom Cable is a lot like Bill Callahan when it comes to versatility on the offensive line.
They may not teach the same schemes, but both are of the opinion that having linemen who can switch positions in an instant not only stimulates their ability to learn, but helps the team in the long run.
It’s with that in mind that Jared Veldheer can put himself in position to be the tallest center (6-foot-8) to start an NFL game. A week after getting some snaps at left tackle, against Julius Peppers, no less, Veldheer will start against the 49ers Saturday in place of Samson Satele.
Cable told reporters Wednedsay Satele was questionable with an ankle injury, but he almost certainly won’t play. And it doesn’t really make a lot of sense to start veteran Chris Morris, when Cable can get an idea of whether it’s feasible to make Veldheer a starter as a rookie third-round draft pick out of Hillsdale.
“It’s two different worlds,” Veldheer said in a post-practice interview. “You just have to transition yourself, outside to inside. This week I’ve been able to get back into that inside world more. It will be fun on Saturday.”
The “different worlds” could also apply from Veldheer’s jump from small college star to NFL rookie, but Cable hasn’t seen him back down yet.
“The first thing you look for in a small school guy is, `Is he kind of fearful of competition?,’ ” Cable said. “That’s never once been the case on any day throughout camp.”
Cable said Veldheer has handled the mental challenges of the tackle-to-center switch “very well” and has had no setbacks.
More news, notes and quotes (as relayed by beat writer Steve Corkran):
– For anyone wondering whether perennial Pro Bowl center Kevin Mawae could be in the Raiders’ plans, Cable said, “We’ve never had any discussions about that.”
– Cable hinted the Raiders would game plan more to put players in situations to make roster decisions easier, rather than devise a plan to beat the 49ers. The third regular season game typically is the one that’s a dress rehearsal for the opener. The fact that the two teams play in the regular season is also a factor.
“Because we’re playing them later we probably won’t show everything we normally would,” Cable said.
– Is there a role for linebacker Thomas Howard, or will the Raiders be looking to get something for him at the final cutdown day?
Cable, asked about Howard’s standing, said, “I think we’ll know more after we get through this one. I’m not trying to avoid the question. I just think that the way this game is set up and some of the things that well be doing defensively we’ll have a chance to see where he is at.”
Like, perhaps, put hoping Howard has a big enough game so that he can at least bring back a draft choice.
– Cable on whether Chaz Schilens could be ready for the opener: “I don’t know that yet. They’re telling us we can probably answer that question the first of next week.”
– Bruce Gradkowski, when asked about the young receiving corps, did the only sensible thing _ give them a public vote of confidence.
“I’m confident in all our receivers,” Gradkowski said. “They do a great job. I don’t know how many we’ll keep, but it’s always tough. . . . I’m proud o fthose guys and we’ve just got to keep going and finish this out right.”
– Hue Jackson, talking to the media? He jokingly took the podium today before walking away. Unless they’re serving him up Thursday as camp breaks, he’ll probably talk to the media for the first time in Alameda. The Raiders have taken advantage of vague league guidelines in the preseason which request reasonable access by not making him available at all. Once the regular season begins, they’re required to make Jackson available to the media on a regular basis or be subject to a fine.
– The Raiders hold their final practice of the Napa training camp Thursday at 8:30 a.m. and then get out of town. The Raider Nation Celebration will be from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. at Frank Ogawa Plaza in downtown Oakland.
– According to my transcript, the first words out of Cable’s mouth were, “Where is McDonald? He’s just taking time off. He’s got David White disease.”
I don’t know about the David White thing, but I have felt “fatigued” lately.
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August 25th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
boo yah
August 25th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Good to be missed, eh, Jerry? Heal up quick and get back to work.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Think about it, 6′7″-325#, 6′8″-315#, 6′8″-360#, that’s a lot of beef in the middle if we start Gallery, Veldheer & Walker at LG, C & RG respectively. I don’t see any pass rush getting by that group. Likewise, if they want to move the middle. the middle is going to move. Bush, Bennett, Cartwright will all benefit from that grouping. JCampbell will also have time to find his new receivers. We just need to remember, games are won in the pits. We need the biggest baddest big uglies and we should fare well.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Satele is about to get the Wally Pip treatment.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
That kid aint ready to start, if this were Abreyo Franklin you guy’s would see why I say that. He’d get his lunch handed to him because he plays too high. But I hope he gets some idea what it like to play with the big boy’s.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
The problem with Fairy Tail Football is it causes the NFL to promote individuals rather than teams as a whole. That’s why we saw the Forte run played so much on espn, even though the Raiders mostly dominated in that game. In that way, Fantasy football is putting an end to “team affiliation”, and people are just rooting for individual efforts.
I personally prefer to root for a team as a whole, as opposed to an individual effort. That’s where the Bengals made a mistake – Instead of lacing his meager contract with incentives based on personal achievement, they should have put in intensives such as a 8 win bonus, a 10 win bonus, playoff bonus, Div. Champion Bonus, SB Bonus. That way he would be most concerned about what is best for the team as a whole, rather than his individual numbers.
I would rather see the Raiders win the SB, and have nobody in the pro-bowl – rather than watch the raiders lose while I win my Fairy Tale League
August 25th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Was referring to TO in that last post.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
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# BigTed707 Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
JB Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
If DMac can’t play then maybe there should be some serious talk about renegotiating his contract. His tenure as a Raider is nothing to write home about The only difference between he & Schilens is the draft round selected & the $ size of the contract. Aside from those two items they appear to be two athletes who appear to have great potential but are both very injury-prone. This should be a make-break year for both of them. If they don’t perform cut your losses and move on. It’s just like with JaLoser – addition by subtraction. The day of the check is in the mail has gotten old. Pay up or hit the road. We don’t have time for boat anchors of any type.
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What? He was at practice today. The article didn’t say he wouldn’t play, it said he probably wouldn’t start in front of M. Bush (which we already knew). Its all Fairy Tale Football BS.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
We just need to remember, games are won in the pits. We need the biggest baddest big uglies and we should fare well.
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Hellsyes!
August 25th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
It’s with that in mind that Jared Veldheer can put himself in position to be the tallest center (6-foot-8) to start an NFL game. A week after getting some snaps at left tackle, against Julius Peppers, no less, Veldheer will start against the 49ers Saturday in place of Samson Satele.
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I’m Geeked!Go V!
August 25th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Excellent news!
Hope they let Veldheer play through the 4th qtr. Maybe the whole game!
August 25th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
If Jared Veldheer gets the nod as starting center – can we call the O-Line the “JV squad”?
August 25th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
Its all Fairy Tale Football BS.
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LOL!
August 25th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
Just go away Schilens. Once he’s recovered from this (which I doubt anyway) he’ll stub his toe and it’ll turn into a ninth degree multiple fracture of the podiast martatarsus miniscus that’ll “hold him off for a few games” etc. etc. etc.etc. ad nauseum.
I’m sick of having this guy held out as this mythical wonder boy receiever who NEVER FREAKIN’ PLAYS.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Yeah you can call them that because that’s what it will be. But this is the NFL not JV
August 25th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
it’ll turn into a ninth degree multiple fracture of the podiast martatarsus miniscus that’ll “hold him off for a few games” etc. etc. etc.etc. ad nauseum.
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Hilarious!
BUt Jerry made a good point in that Chaz’s contract is so cheap vs his potential, it’s really costing us nothing to keep him around.
DHB, Murphy, JLH, and Ford will get plenty of looks.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
That kid aint ready to start, if this were Abreyo Franklin you guy’s would see why I say that. He’d get his lunch handed to him because he plays too high. But I hope he gets some idea what it like to play with the big boy’s.
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I’m inclined to agree with you from an outside looking in perspective. And under normal circumstances that would be the case.
But remember, Cable stated that most of his height is in his torso. If the coaches are doing their job, teaching him proper leverage, and he continues to display the high football IQ and good attitude that he has displayed so far, there’s no reason that he can’t be successful.
As far as playing against Abreyo Franklin, well Veldheer has the advantage of going against Seymour, Kelly and Henderson regularly in practice, who are no scrubs by any stretch of the imagination. So if he is preparing properly in practice and the film room, I think he’ll be good to go.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
I’m sick of having this guy held out as this mythical wonder boy receiever who NEVER FREAKIN’ PLAYS.
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I feel you bro.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
Preist,
I know you’ve fallen in love with Satele all of a sudden, but I don’t see why you are hating on Veldheer. Plays to high? Dude is 6′8, he’s going to appear to be a bit high.
I think he’ll be fine!
Satele vs Franklin is where the mismatch would have been.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Veldheer has the advantage of going against Seymour, Kelly and Henderson regularly in practice, who are no scrubs by any stretch of the imagination. So if he is preparing properly in practice and the film room, I think he’ll be good to go.
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Great point!
August 25th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Yeah you can call them that because that’s what it will be.
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I agree, we would be in bad shape if he does.
Sign Mawae! I’d rather have an old pro-bowler over a converted rookie LT.
Unless he kills it this weekend…it’ll be interesting to see.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
ArmChair
Listen man I would be scared to have O’Dowd from USC who’s been playing C for 4 years starting in the opener. This kid has been playing C for 4 months and you guy’s have gone gaga over this fresh faced rookie.
He ’s going to have to pick up blitzes and the shortest way to the QB is straight up the middle where Campbell has to step up and throw. And you guy’s want this kid to start vs the Titans. I’m wondering what hav you seen from him this preseason that makes you think he is this great C it boggles my mind. I’ve watched him and I like his spirit but that aint near enough for me to want to see him start against anyone.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
When I saw Barrett Robbins he was dominant immediately you could tell he was ready and he still struggled a bit. Same with Dave Dalby from UCLA 4 year starter took him a year before he started. This kids supposed to just jump off the toilet and stone wall the best DT’sin the game. You guy’s are off your rocker.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
This could either go really well or really horribly. Either way, I’m excited to see what happens.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
I’m wondering what hav you seen from him this preseason that makes you think he is this great C it boggles my mind. I’ve watched him and I like his spirit but that aint near enough for me to want to see him start against anyone.
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I haven’t seen anything, but i would LIKE to see some improvement on the O-Line.
Unfortunately, Satele will be back, he looked fine walking off the field – the coaches are just being x-tra cautious this year and don’t want him hurt before the season starts imho.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
Plus it couldn’t possibly be any worse than Morris starting…
August 25th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
This kids supposed to just jump off the toilet and stone wall the best DT’sin the game. You guy’s are off your rocker.
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Probably not, but he’s gonna get a look-see. I’m hoping he makes something out of this opportunity.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
TJ, two more pre season games left, throw him into the fire, 1st team,baby! Oh, I think someone w/power might see something,Raiders! ps Wanna beat the whiners NOW, but more so when it counts!
August 25th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
That kid aint ready to start, if this were Abreyo Franklin you guy’s would see why I say that. He’d get his lunch handed to him because he plays too high. But I hope he gets some idea what it like to play with the big boy’s.
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You may be right Priest but Satele doesn’t hold up against anybody. I believe you will find this kid to be a quick learner. He may get his lunch handed to him the first or second time but from then on out he be the one handing out the ass kicking. He learn technique with good coaching and diligent film study. He’s got the tool to get it done. Satele doesn’t even have a toolbox.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Wanna beat the whiners NOW, but more so when it counts!
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Yeah! We gotta beat ‘em with Gore, VD, and Crabtree. (Wow, those sound like three things you could get if not wearing a condom.)
Saturday is just a rehearsal. I just hope we lead at the end of the first half.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
YEEESSSSSSSS……
August 25th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Music to my ears….
August 25th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Pouncey is starting no?
August 25th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
That kid aint ready to start,
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Not like DHB and JRuss, huh priest. Those guys are ready?
p.s. I heard you onna’ radio today before the Wimbley interview. funny ish.
August 25th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
JB
You seem very sure about this kid so I can only hope you’re right and I’m wrong. But I do know this Satele is a hell of a lt better than you guy’s think he is. Veldheer stating says volumes about Morris and nothing about Satele. I think and the film verifies everything I’m saying Satele has had a very good camp. Satele can play that position and play it very well, you guy’s are crazy I’m not sure what you’re all passing around but this stuff is not that hard for anyone who knows what to look for to see.
This is the Veldheer fan club I get it, same as the DMC fan club. The kid has shown he’s worthy of a 3rd rnd pick that’s all. I’m not WOW’d by him I don’t see anything extraordinary he just looks like a player. Nothing special every year you guy’s jump smeones jock with a bunch o groundless rhetoric. I asked what hav eyou seen so far everyone of you said nothing but he’s better than Satele…………yeah right!!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
This kids supposed to just jump off the toilet and stone wall the best DT’sin the game.
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Who said that?
Fact of the matter is Satele is stonewalling anyone either so for the team to see if there is something there is no big deal.
If Veldheer starts the opener at C it’s because he BEAT OUT Satele!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Priest, you are right about rookies having alot to learn and absorb. But as you always like to remind everyone…
the coaches watch these guys everyday, we don’t. So if Cable and the other coaches think that this kid can go in there and do better than Morris and Satele, then that’s what they will do.
Honestly, as much as you defend Satele, think about this…
If he and Morris were doing a satisfactory at Center, would this conversation even come up? Would the idea of a rookie unseating two veterans even be a topic of consideration?
The answer is obviously no. Satele and Morris are not up to par. Cable sees it, the Miami Dolphins saw it(about Satele), and most of us fans see it.
The only one defending Satele and Morris is you.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
But I do know this Satele is a hell of a lt better than you guy’s think he is.
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He is who we think he is. Average at best.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
V starting may have been the plan all along. Cable needs to et the gu on the field as he is that good in the eyes of the coaches…
Next up BC at RG…..
August 25th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
BigTed707,I work with 150 plus whousemen in the bay area,split down the middle,Most of us feel the RAIDERS are back,kick some pre season whiner BUTT!!!!!!!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
#34 Norco – Play it again Bob. You are right on point!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Nothing special every year you guy’s jump smeones jock with a bunch o groundless rhetoric. I asked what hav eyou seen so far everyone of you said nothing but he’s better than Satele
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LOL!
Why are you getting so worked up over Satele man. Now were on Veldheer’s jock? Cmon with that BS.
Bottom line is Satele is opening himself up to criticism with his bad play. Of course he doesn’t get beat on every play. But certainly has some timely fhugg ups like the missed block that led to the INT Saturday.
You say you haven’t seen anything from Veldheer, well this is his first start. When else would you have expected to see something?
August 25th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Next up BC at RG…..
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I give it game 4
August 25th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
J Wiggle Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Next up BC at RG…..
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I give it game 4
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I have my over/ under at 6.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Get your azz well. You have already had one vacation this summer.
Glad to see Veldheer starting.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
We shall see wont we, the only reason this kid is starting is because Satele is hurt………simple as that.
I’ll tell you what, we’ll see where he is come Saturday I hope I’m wrong because I’,m not a Morris fan at all. But I’ve watched Satele and he can play. I’ll watch Veldheer and see if he changes my mind. He’s playing a backup but I know what to look for if he displays what it takes backup or no backup it’ll show.
THe eye in the sky wont lieif he struddles against this kid y’all can say whatever you want because I know the coaches aint having it.
I already know what the coaches think about Satele and most of you would be very disappointed based on this discussion. So we’ll see
August 25th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
When I saw V play in the first preseason game at C, it was pros against joes…
August 25th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
An interesting approach, 5 tackles for the O-line. We need to do whatever we can to make sure the best talent available to us is starting. It’s not about names or years of service. It’s all about getting the job done to the best of our ability. In today’s NFL, a lot of rookies start their first year and most do a fairly respectable job for a newbie. A respectable job would be a step up for our O-line. We now have some new tools in our bag. They’re not going to do us any good unless we use them.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Priest, you are right about rookies having alot to learn and absorb. But as you always like to remind everyone…
the coaches watch these guys everyday, we don’t. So if Cable and the other coaches think that this kid can go in there and do better than Morris and Satele, then that’s what they will do.
Honestly, as much as you defend Satele, think about this…
If he and Morris were doing a satisfactory at Center, would this conversation even come up? Would the idea of a rookie unseating two veterans even be a topic of consideration?
The answer is obviously no. Satele and Morris are not up to par. Cable sees it, the Miami Dolphins saw it(about Satele), and most of us fans see it.
The only one defending Satele and Morris is you.
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The last time I looked the coaches aren’t starting the rook to unseat the starter. The starter is injured. Unless of course, Satele was doing a better acting job than George Clooney out there. Last time I looked, Satele started the lst two preseason games. If Veldheer could have done a better job out the gate, they would have had him in there from the beginning.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
J Wiggle Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Next up BC at RG…..
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I give it game 4
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A lot will depend on how we look the first couple of games. I say thow him out their now. Let him bust a few heads…
August 25th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
BigTed707,I work with 150 plus whousemen in the bay area,split down the middle,Most of us feel the RAIDERS are back,kick some pre season whiner BUTT!!!!!!!!!
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Right On!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Veldheer is a good prospect with a huge amount of upside and potential.
WE honestly don’t know whether he can handle the pressure of being the starting center RIGHT NOW. That’s why he’s starting in the next PRESEASON game.
That way his progressed can be gauged and assessed and if he is entrusted with the starting spot come Game 1 of the regular season, he can make the adjustments and corrections now rather than later.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
J Wiggle
Opening himself with his bad play who says he’splaying bad YOU? When did the coaches say he was playing bad? you’re making some big assumptions. I’m not getting workd up about Satele it’s you guy’s with this Veldheer crap. Who died and left him the starting spot when did cable say this kid is our starter?
What has Veldheer done to recieve all these accolades it’s crazy.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Veldheer is supperior physically to Satele. I’d be willing to bet His football IQ is higher as well.
This is not a matter of If Velhdeer will be better than Satele, but when.
I think it will be sooner, rather than later.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
if morris didnt suck v doesnt play c. dont understand the hate towards v as if satele is so good. his injury is definately why v is playing but clearly they see something in him to even be in this position. i have a gut feeling he will do well but who knows for sure.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
# Just Win Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
If Veldheer could have done a better job out the gate, they would have had him in there from the beginning.
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Not true Just Win. Veldheer is playing a new position at Center. So logically he had to LEARN to play the position. So of course they wouldn’t throw him out there in the beginning.
But he did play the backup Center position in game 1 against Dallas, and obviously he did quite well, and has been doing well in practice as well.
That is why he’s being asked to start at Center now in place of the injured Satele.
Now if Veldheer plays well, the true test will be if he keeps the starting spot when Satele comes back from his injury.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
I’ll watch Veldheer and see if he changes my mind. He’s playing a backup but I know what to look for if he displays what it takes backup or no backup it’ll show.
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That’s cool. Th 49ers defense are not slouches, hopefully they won’t be treating J-Camp like they treated favre, It will be a good test for the rook.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
THe eye in the sky wont lieif he struddles against this kid y’all can say whatever you want because I know the coaches aint having it.
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Really don’t even know who you are arguing with man. No one, and I mean NO ONE has said start Veldheer REGARDLESS of how he plays.
Most of us just want to SEE what Veldheer can do at C since the COACH put him there. If it were the Veldheer fan club as you say, then we would be saying he should start at LT where he was 2nd string, and the guy in front of him was not good by all accounts.
But no, we recognize Henderson has been playing well so far so he should not start in front of him at LT. Satele and Carlisle in most folks opinion are the weak links of this Oline. They are average at best.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
But no, we recognize Henderson has been playing well so far so he should not start in front of him at LT. Satele and Carlisle in most folks opinion are the weak links of this Oline. They are average at best.————————————————————–
This.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Priest,you are correct ,he isn’t ready to start a reg. season game,yet.The only way he can get even partially ready is play in the practice games.We all know Morris isn’t capable.Grooming the rookie in practice games is the smart thing to do,and who knows,he could possibly be one of the top 5 OL we have.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
An interesting approach, 5 tackles for the O-line.
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Didn’t dawn on me, but you’re right if V and BC crack the starting lineup.
DZam!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Listen I’ve studied Veldeheer so far at C and at LT he’s a decent player he has a chance in time to be very good but right now he plays way too high.
The C position requires a lot of leverage and if he let’s DT’s get under him there is no way he’ll hold up. He has a tall torso which is a negative at that position, powerful DT’s will abuse him if he can’t get low enough. So before we put this kid in the HOF let him show you something first………..
August 25th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Bucket…
August 25th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
rewatched the bears game and watched kellen heard closely. i hope he makes an impression like dbryant did last year cuz his big azz would make a nice run stuffing prospect. dude got a good push and came close to getting to the qb a couple of times. big #67 if anybody cares. s brown goethel boyd heard are a couple of guys i feel can be developed instead of keeping eugene joseph williams who pretty much are what they are at this point in their careers.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
J ust Win,sorry Bro,Someone loves the kid,and looking at stills,this young fella is nasty.If Im wrong,gosh darnit,its the FIRST time! Ok,a small lie! RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
before we put this kid in the HOF let him show you something first………..
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Come on TJ, nobody is saying hall of fame. Most of us want to see what the kid will look like against the 1’s. If he performs well so beit, if not doesnt hurt as this is only practice…
August 25th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
LMAO Jerry!!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
JV Squad!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
What has Veldheer done to recieve all these accolades it’s crazy.
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All what accolades???
Yes I say Satele is not playing well. The coach even said he was not happy with the Oline. Who do YOU think he is talking about if not Satele and Carlisle.
I’ve said over and over that Satele and Carlisle are average. I am excited about the prospects of the 2 rookies and think they can also be average at best right now. Average is not an accolade bruh. But I’ll take the average rookies and their on the job training vs. average vets that have hit their ceiling.
Satele and Carlisle are making mistakes out there. If you can’t see that you are NOT watching the game.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Priest,for god sakes,we are talking about a PRACTICE game.Isn’t that what PRACTICES are for-to learn?
August 25th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
priesttj Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
That kid aint ready to start, if this were Abreyo Franklin you guy’s would see why I say that. He’d get his lunch handed to him because he plays too high. But I hope he gets some idea what it like to play with the big boy’s.
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Priesttj,
Reluctantly…I have to agree with you. I hope we are both very wrong on this one. But this one seems to good to be true.
Center is a tough position man. Line protection calls, audibles etc…..whew…
My biggest concern remains the fact that the kid has probably rarely faced 300lb+ guys in college. Now, if he has been lining up against Kelly, Seymour, Henderson or Heard…then he’s got some under his belt…but not much and not in live fire with the full complexities the defense will give in the regular season.
I am hoping this works…..just on paper it doesn’t look good.
You all be patient with this kid if he struggles!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
We all want every single position to be upgraded on the entire Raider roster. The offensive line has played fairly well this preseason. I can’t wait to see what the rook can do at center myself but I am not holding my breath that this guy is going to turn into Nick Mangold over night while learning a new position at this level.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
I’ll take the average rookies and their on the job training vs. average vets that have hit their ceiling.
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This has been my point of view after having seen Velhdeer and Campbell in Dallas.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
I like to see what he can do at RT, but we need a C a lot more than we need a RT. That’s SAD!!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
raidersxy Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
FYI Our starting O-line will consist of 3 college left tackles a RG and a RT
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Yup….and 4 if Campbell gets the nod.
Again, I want this to work…just doesn’t feel right.
Cable is the O-Line guru so let’s be patient with this line.
Do not get angry if the rooks get schooled on this. They are learning on the fly!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RaiderLen Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
I’ll take the average rookies and their on the job training vs. average vets that have hit their ceiling.
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This has been my point of view after having seen Velhdeer and Campbell in Dallas.
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Preseason is a totally different animal than the regular season.
Again, I believe these Veldheeris going to struggle mightily. And that may be fine if he is the long-term answer at “center”
But you all better expect a lot of learning opportunities for a kid who 8 months ago was manning left tackle against Northern Michigan
August 25th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
j Wiggle, wish DMC had some wiggle! But I like VH,lets give the kid two pre season games
August 25th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
I think it will be easier to switch Veldherer to RT since be played LT at college, but if the Kid can play C, then why not? We need a C.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
I can live with rookie mistakes if I know that improvement / growth is taking place.
When Vets are making rookie like mistakes, and I know that it’s as good for them as it will ever get, then play to the upside of the young ones.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Veldheer*
August 25th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Look I’m telling you J Wiggle Cable is NOT UNHAPPY with Satele he’s just the opposite I know that for a fact………….period
I’m as interested in seeing the kid as anyone maybe more because I can’t stand Morris who’s serviceable at best. But I’m not ready to put this kid on some pedestal bcause of some damn witch hunt on Satele.
Oline play is more about cohesion than individual dominance. Although greatness anywhere helps is Satele a great C no………is he a good one? you damn right he is and he can get much better.
Lets just watch the kid and see what he had and let that talk for him.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
some damn witch hunt on Satele.
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This is funny.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
You all be patient with this kid if he struggles!
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He will struggle. But Satele is struggling and so is Morris. And they’re veterans. At this stage of the game Satele and Morris are as good as they’re going to get.
Veldheer does not get manhandled at the line of scrimmage, that much we can see already.
The fact that a rookie is even being considered right now at this level shows that his learning curve is light years ahead of Satele and Carlisle.
Even if Veldheer is not ready right now, which he obviously is not, he will definitely be ready before the end of this season, while Satele and Morris are still whiffing on tackles and getting blown 3-5 yards off the line of scrimmage.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Cable is an idiot, if he is happy with Satele!
Satele, Cooper, and Walker have to be replaced!
August 25th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Priesttj,
Agreed on post #83.
Satele was “serviceable”….rookies are going to be rookies.
Also, its not just how he handles his man…but how he calls protetions etc….
If Cable pulls this off…he’s a helluva a position coach.
The kid is going to struggle in the regular season…be patient with him and the offense
August 25th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
ArmChairGM,
I’ll be more convinced if he holds his own this weekend after a half of play.
Like I said before, those struggles might be 2x worse than Satele’s struggles.
Be ready…if that O-line struggles…the offense will look like shhhhhhhhh
August 25th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
I like to see what V can do at RT, but I’m so sick of Satele that I’m willing to support V playing C.
Beast Campbell needs to develop ASAP so he can start.
OL & WR are our weakness.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Who said Veldheer was going to be starting in the reg. season?The kid is starting a practice game because the starting C is injured and the coaches want to give him work so he could possibly be the backup entering the season.What is the problem?And he might not even be the backup,but what better time to find out than a practice game.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
We need to develop our Young OL by allowing them to play more.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
is Satele a great C no………is he a good one? you damn right he is
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I’d like to know what you mean by damn good. I can point to several plays where Satele did NADA in teh game.
Let me know when you’re ready. We can fire the game up right now and you can point out to me what I’m missing.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
# Raider O Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Cable is an idiot, if he is happy with Satele!
Satele, Cooper, and Walker have to be replaced!
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Walker would be VERY SERVICEABLE at RG IMO.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Raider O,can you even think about lining up before a center of that size? Again,someone likes him,Me as well!Raiders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ps How are YOU, young fella?
August 25th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Some of you guys just break me up. I have read a lot of comments about how it is nice to see us running screen plays, but no one mentions how well Satele plays on those screen passes. On the lst down screen to Marcel Reece in the last game, Satele LAYS A GUY OUT downfield, which makes the lst down.
Also, Satele only started 3 quarters of the year last year, and did not have Gallery for even half the season. Think having arguably one of the best Olinemen in the league makes a difference in how any center would play?
August 25th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
This is the bottom line:
Satele, Morris, Schilens, Mcfadden, and DHB are perhaps the most criticized and maligned players on our roster.
I will never root against them while they are on the field. However if they are underperforming, then I will support a change being made to someone more capable of getting the job done.
I believe that based on what he has shown in a matter of a few weeks, Veldheer is more promising than both Satele and Morris. But he has to go out there and prove it.
I’m rooting for the kid, but we all have to just wait and see.
But I do know this:
If he isn’t up to the challenge, and we don’t trade for another starting center, our O-line is in serious trouble.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
@nd play of the game, missed block leads to his man tackling Bush. Bailed out by penalty on Gallery.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
3rd play, helps Carlisle double team, Carlisle leave him alone with the guy, and he promptly get rag dolled, lol. Thank goodness for JC and his quick release.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Lefty12
That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to say.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
4th play is the Bush screen for big yards. He fell down and blocked no one. SERIOUSLY.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
priesttj Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Lefty12
That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to say.
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LMFAO!
No mayne, that is what WE have been trying to tell you.
Are you serious?!?!?!
August 25th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
J Wiggle you ready for this OK class is in session in 2mins.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Hendu,
I doing well sir, and how are you?
He has size and stength to play any position on the OL, but I’m not sold on him playing C before trying him at RT.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
JB,
I agree 100%. Walker should move to RG.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
yes surrrr
August 25th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
The first drive is HILARIOUS! Satele is terrible.
JC is da man!
August 25th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Campbell at RT. 6′6
Walker at RG. 6′8
Veldheer at C. 6′8
Gallery at LG. 6′6
Mario at LT. 6′7
Think about it! lol
August 25th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Gallery is 6′7″
August 25th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
So BCampbell ends up as Pee Wee? LMAO
August 25th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
They’ve always said it’s the short guys that have the attitude. I can’t wait. Many have heard of the 3 tenors. Maybe we’ll have the 5 tackles.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
I still say sign Mawae!
Cable said, “We’ve never had any discussions about that.”
Never even crossed his mind huh? Yeahright.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
I was encouraged from what I saw from Veldheer at Tackle.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
I expect Veldheer to handle himself fairly well on on Saturday night.
The kid seems like he has the mental makeup and physical skills to be a stalwart on the Raiders O-Line for years.
I think he will hold his own starting at center vs the Whiners.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
With an O-line of Henderson, Gallery, Veldher, Walker & BCampbell, I know I’m getting ahead of myself, our odds of being able to make 1-2 yards on a line plunge would seem to have improved dramatically.
Now when they ask “Where’s the beef”? All we got to do is point. That’s a one BIG meatball. LOL
August 25th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
allright y’all, keep the FAITH!
Check’ya Raider!
August 25th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
I have been saying the same thing about Walker being better suited to play RG instead of RT.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Game tape delayed to 9PM Channel 44 (SF/Bay Area).
August 25th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Thx JB.
RT: Campbell: 6′6
RG: Walker: 6′8
C: Veldheer: 6′8
LG: Gallery: 6′7
LT: Mario: 6′7
That’s a Huge OL!! Intimidation factor.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Time for a new subject. We’ve beat this center issue to death.
Question: Who the best prospect to be our KOR & PR?
August 25th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Ford = KOR & NMiller PR?
August 25th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
JB,
They will be huge and fast, the slowest guy will be Walker.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
first series
down 1 stale mate
down 2 ZBS Gallery’s man get’s undrneath and he hlds
down 3 Satele takes DT stones him pass play 10 yd pick up
down 5 3rd 12 Gallery moves
dwn 6 Satele out on screen play 24 yards
down 7 Satele DT n penetration pass play 19 yard pickup
down 8 Satele plays perfectly ready for blitz and chip on either DT pass to ZM 1st down
down 9 Satele knocks DT 5 yards off the ball 5 yard pickup. MBush
down 10 2nd 6 Satele audibles DT gets by him but the ball is gone Murphy 21 yard pcikup
down 11 DT gets underneath Satele stops gl/ run
down 12 Satele gets underneath DT provides hole but Peppers is too quick off the end tackles Bush
down 13 Campbell taps Satele and follows him into the endzone TD!!
August 25th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
JB Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Time for a new subject. We’ve beat this center issue to death.
Question: Who the best prospect to be our KOR & PR?
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KOR – JFORD
PR – JFORD
August 25th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
I like Ford a lot, and I wanted us to draft him. He can do both. Let him compete with JLH & N Miller.
The guy can catch. He had 110+ catches in 2 seasons.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
J Wiggle
Brotha you don’t know Oline play, that first drive by Satele was very well played only one play DT slips him but the ball is out. The rest of that drive hgis C play was as good as you could ask for while he isn’t a dmiant C this system doesn’t require that. It’s ZBS they want the man moved laterally not backwards.
Now I understand why you say what you say you just don’t understand what you’re looking at.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Priest,
You need to watch that first series again.
Satele had MAYBE one play that he can count as a win.
The screen pass?!?!? LMFAO! Dude fell on his arsse and blocked NO ONE!
No need to go any further. If you are going to put your name to that analysis, then I know we won’t agree on much else.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
I agree Thec.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Later Gents.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
# Raider O Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
JB,
They will be huge and fast, the slowest guy will be Walker.
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You are right. That would be a HUGE line. Walker would just need to get in the way pas blocking and road grade the center of the field on run plays up the gut.
Henderson 6′7″-300#
Gallery 6′7″- 325#
Veldheer 6′8″- 315#
Walker 6′8″- 360#
BCampbell 6′6″- 315#
That’s an average of 6′7.5″- 323#
Like you said BIG and for the mostpart fast linemen. That’s a good formula for establishing a group of bad-ass BIG UGIES
August 25th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
J Wiggle I’ll tell what I would do if you really want to get a handle on this, watch Olin Kruetz play and you’ll see what I mean. You’re very critical about something because you don’t understand it more than anything.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
“the second coming of Barret Robbins”…..minus the Bi-polar disorder!!! (Veldheer) J.V. !!!!!
August 25th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
O, I would like to see JFORD get some touches. He is a rookie so he is behind ZMller, DHB, Murphy, Higgs, DMAC, MBUSH, Chaz… however he is a maker, a space eater…
Like you said though let him compete against Higgs, and NMILLER…Should be interesting…Hope we keep NMILLER…
August 25th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Now I understand why you say what you say you just don’t understand what you’re looking at.
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Here comes the high horse, lol!
NOW, I don’t know what I’m looking at?
Satele got rag dolled but you dismiss it because of JC getting the ball out… TWICE!
YOUR analysis has him getting beat twice by DTs on top of that.
His typical hit no one fall down on that screen play is undeniable.
FIVE plays on the FIRST DRIVE, he was TERRIBLE.
Now I know why you say what you do. If the play was a success, then everyone did their job. Got it!
August 25th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
# J Wiggle Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
His typical hit no one fall down on that screen play is undeniable.
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Wait a minute. He stole that technique from DMac. LOL
August 25th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
You’re very critical about something because you don’t understand it more than anything.
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LOL!
Thissss guy!
Well I’ll leave you with the coaches feel that this guy can play C and I think they understand things completely.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Play JFORD the whole game…
August 25th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
OK brotha just watch Kreutz play and then tell me I’m wrong.
J Wiggle you hav eto know what a C’s responsibilities are brotha to knw of he’s doing them successfully
I’m watching the 2nd series the DT has to get his hands up because he can’t get penetration. Next play he keeps the DT from penetration until the ball is out.
I think what you expect is for a him to just pancake guy’s play after play and drive players back 5 yards every play. If that’s what you expect get ready to be very disappointed by any player. Because that’s damn near impossible.
What you want is for the QB to get 2.5 seconds to get the ball out anything longer than that is gravy.
J Wiggle this is the NFL man both players get paid and unreal expectations go unfulfilled.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
So do yourself a favor and watch the probowl C’s in the league and you’ll see what I mean.
August 25th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Veldheer seemed to be a pretty good LT, I’d hate to see him “Gallerized”
August 25th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
What’s Gallerized? lol
August 25th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
GAllerized:
Drafted at a time when there’s already an established LT in place, then moved around, and around.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
KK
Gallery should make the Pro Bowl this year. He has gotten to be very good at his job. There’s nothing wrong at excelling at a position other than the initial planned spot. Another good example of that could be Todd Christensen – a RB converted to TE. MHenderson is young and coming along just fine. Let’s not replace him yet.
We just need to find out where our new prospects can excel and then give them the opportunity to be all they can be. This is a god problem to have. It’s about time we have some new talented blood.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Does anyone know for sure that the drafting of Veldheer wasn’t for the C position all along? I certainly don’t. Maybe the coaches and personnel people, this time around, saw something we didn’t. Who knows, this may have been their plan all along.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
KK just accept him for what he is a damn good LG one of the best in the league what else do you need? Some people!!
August 25th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
Robert Gallery’s career has been so-so, sorry. check out the AV number.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GallRo20.htm
August 25th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Currently, Gallery IMO, is the best O-lineman we have. In my view, he’s one of the top guards playing. He did have some injuries last year so that might have skewed some numbers. Overall, he’s a definite keeper.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Who cares about AV don’t you watch this game or does someone have to tell you everything?
August 25th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Compare Galleries AV’s with Johnathan Ogden for example.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OgdeJo00.htm
August 25th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Another Gallery consideration, he’s been required to play using that crappy ZBS blocking. That doesn’t play to his real strength. He’s a born power blocker. Now that we are getting back to mano v. mano power blocking, Gallery will be recognized as a real force.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
I agree with TJ on this one. The numbers you are referring to don’t tell the whole story regarding this player.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
JB
don’t get technical with KK he’s just like the rest of them it’s way over his head. Let him read his reports it makes much more sense to him. He can’t think for himself.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Look at Kris Dielman’s numbers. Pro- bowl LG with the Chargers
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DielKr20.htm
I’m not hatin, I’m just keepin it real.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
When Robert Gallery goes downfield, bank on the fact that one or more opponents are going down. He’s a great point of attack & downfield blocker. That’s his job & he does it well.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
They ran for 70% of the yards they got when he was in there to his side. When he went out the Oline suffered. Gallery is a great player…………period
Pay no attention KK keep reading your report.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
All-Pro LG Logan Mankins numbers
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MankLo20.htm
August 25th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
Guys all playing in a system that plays to their strengths. Gallery will perform admirably this year. Power blocking will play to his strength. Let’s check numbers next year. Meanwhile, let’s just hope he stays healthy all year. TJ was right, When he went out the line turned to total crap. When Walker backfilled for him line play improved. that’s why I think Walker’s future lies at the RG. position.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I’m just saying an overall #2 LT, 8 years later is now adequate at another position. Maybe this year.
Veldheer looked good at LT, but there’s somebody already there.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
# KoolKell Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I’m just saying an overall #2 LT, 8 years later is now adequate at another position. Maybe this year.
Veldheer looked good at LT, but there’s somebody already there.
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I understand the point you are making. Kind of almost sounds like DMac, huh? #4 draft pick and doing nothing as the premier RB. Maybe they should just move him to slot WR and let him succeed there. Maybe this year for him to.
I agree that I like what I’ve seen of Veldheer so far. All we need to do is find a home for him. If it ends up being center, so be it – as long a he’s exceptionally good at doing it.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Gotta run guys. Enjoyed he discussion. GO RAIDERS !!!
August 25th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
Later JB, me too.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
I shouldn’t have got my guy J Wiggle so upset at me but it is what it is. We’ll patch it up later
I didn’t mean any harm
adios all!!
August 26th, 2010 at 12:54 am
Pito.
August 26th, 2010 at 1:39 am
DirtyRaccoon Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
raidersxy Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
FYI Our starting O-line will consist of 3 college left tackles a RG and a RT
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Henderson, Gallery, Veldheer, Campbell, Walker all played LT in college.
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Mr. Veldheer, please keep the “C” seat warm ALL of this year. Stephen Wisniewski will appreciate it next year.
S. Wisniewski in round 2, 2011
August 26th, 2010 at 1:40 am
Mornin Norco, Priest, NATION.
August 26th, 2010 at 1:41 am
Norco, what section, parking? I’ma come by and see whats up.
August 26th, 2010 at 2:10 am
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August 26th, 2010 at 2:47 am
T-Rex Gallery was drafted 2# Overall to be the next Ogden or Pace not an ok G and no he isn’t Hutchinson or Mankins so still a bust .
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 26th, 2010 at 3:07 am
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August 26th, 2010 at 4:48 am
Norco, you really picking on the elderly……dude did it make you feel better?
for all you wondering about priest’s take on JV, i am assuming it’s cable’s boy wonder and satele is al’s pick. doesn’t do nothing without knowing what al’s wishes are today. paid blogger i am betting. propagandist.
August 26th, 2010 at 5:23 am
I predict that the first quarter tomorrow night will feature strong Raider defense. Beyond that, regardless of whether we win or lose, it could turn out to be one of the uglier preseason games of all. I just hope Grads doesn’t do any chest-bumping and put himself on IR!
August 26th, 2010 at 5:23 am
I meant Saturday night!
August 26th, 2010 at 5:57 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
What? Bobby’s back? Haha…
As Saturday nears…
August 26th, 2010 at 6:03 am
Quarterback Bruce Gradkowski got some of his most extensive work in training camp, closing it out with a 40-yard post strike to Todd Watkins, who made a diving catch for a touchdown. Gradkowski ran the length of the field for a chest bump with Watkins after the play.
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Bruce & Todd = makers
Colt & little Nicky = practice squad
August 26th, 2010 at 6:06 am
Cornerback Chris Johnson, defensive end Alex Daniels, defensive end Jay Richardson, Schilens and Satele did not practice.
Players who returned included right tackle Langston Walker and defensive tackle Richard Seymour.
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glad big Langston is back!
I could care less about Dick Seymour playing in 2 preseason games … he’ll be ready when it matters (same with John Henderson)
Kelly, Bryant & Joseph need more work anyways
August 26th, 2010 at 6:08 am
I want to see Alex Daniels maul a few Niners as a lead blocker for Bennett and Bush. Let’s hope DHB gets at least two catches!
August 26th, 2010 at 6:10 am
Good news for Veldheer _ with 49ers nose guard Aubrayo Franklin deciding not to immediately sign his franchise tender, the opposition will be the less imposing Ricky Jean-Francois.
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bad news for Raider fans, Veldhero beating up on RJF means nothing
Veldy holding his own against Aubrayo Franklin would be awesome, considering I strongly doubt Satele would be effective against him
Jared the Giant needs to start next week at home against Seattle too. kid has serious potential anywhere on the line imo
August 26th, 2010 at 6:13 am
Give Veldheer a break. Not working against a premier defender will give him a chance to bond with the QB, get his timing down and build his confidence up … I see this as a win-win.
August 26th, 2010 at 6:15 am
TC texted me with a message
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dnwb_hyOhyc/SorA6Y7dR5I/AAAAAAAAAfY/TAF2tYwbaJ4/s400/cable.jpg
August 26th, 2010 at 6:17 am
Tbone
Something happened and Alex went into the doghouse in a hurry.
They took his RB number and gave him back a Dline #
He will not be blocking sat
August 26th, 2010 at 6:19 am
Daniels didn’t practice yesterday either … not sure if he’s injured or what?
August 26th, 2010 at 6:23 am
Well, since it looks like this game is to make it easier to make roster cuts…it looks like that I’ll be leaving during the 3rd qtr!…oh well!
August 26th, 2010 at 6:32 am
This may be out next center
Go get him Al
ted by Mike Florio on August 26, 2010 8:48 AM ET
It’s been coming for a while, and it looks like it’s about to happen.
Rookie Maurkice Pouncey, expected to be a guard at least for a year, apparently has supplanted Justin Hartwig as the Steelers’ starting center.
Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that Pouncey took all of the first-team reps during practice on Wednesday, for the first time.
“It put a big smile on me,” Pouncey said following practice. “I ain’t going to lie, but I just need to go out there and practice every day. I want to stay humble. I’m happy about it. I just want to stay humble and keep working at it.”
Bouchette explains that the Steelers coaching staff was “blown away” by Pouncey’s first two practices on the first day of training camp. At that point, they reconsidered the plan to allow the first-round pick to compete at right guard.
Meanwhile, the guy who’ll be headed to the bench — and possibly out of town — didn’t want to talk about the latest development. Per Bouchette, Hartwig wouldn’t take questions about Pouncey’s ascension to the starting lineup in Hartwig’s spot.
Here’s what Hartwig said eight days ago, once Pouncey started to get reps with the first-team offense: “I’ve been playing football for a long time and I’ve worked my butt off and I do my job every day, and that’s not going to change based on somebody pushing me for my starting spot. I’m going to continue to do what I’ve been doing and everything will play itself out.”
The next question becomes whether the Steelers will pay Hartwig $2.08 million to sit on the bench, or whether they’ll try to trade him.
August 26th, 2010 at 6:34 am
Trade some mickeyD cheeseburgers and a bucket of KFC
for a Hartwig
August 26th, 2010 at 6:36 am
Whats the over/under on games McNabb will play this year?
I think they will be lucky if he starts 10 games
August 26th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Priest,
Cable not coming out right now and saying that Satele and Morris aren’t getting the job done means nothing.
He didn’t say anything about Howard and Morrison last year, but he sure had something to say after the season was over and they were replaced.
August 26th, 2010 at 6:40 am
Plunketthead,
I remember not too very long ago when certain people in here told me I was an idiot for suggesting that a center be taken in the first round.
My response was to talk to me after somebody took Pouncey.
Well, here I am.
August 26th, 2010 at 6:43 am
Justin Hartwig ???
Hmmm…
turns 32 in November, no experience in the zbs
started 80 games since 2002 though
August 26th, 2010 at 6:53 am
Good morning all.
August 26th, 2010 at 6:53 am
What’s everyone think about 18 games?
August 26th, 2010 at 6:56 am
18 games would be…well…technically, there is a 20 game schedule (some 21) with the preseason, so…I wouldn’t care at all! Same ticket prices, so…
August 26th, 2010 at 6:59 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 6:43 am
Justin Hartwig ???
Hmmm…
turns 32 in November, no experience in the zbs
started 80 games since 2002 though
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Well, if Cable says that they had no discussion about Kevin Mawae…hard to believe that Harwig will be considered. However, I say why not? It really can’t hurt!
August 26th, 2010 at 7:00 am
I wanted Al to trade down and try to get offensive help
Maurice would have gone great with Ryan Matthews and Bush. Trade DMAC for a RG/RT and things would be looking much better……..on O.
Lets just hope that the Mac/Lamarr? make it worthwhile.
The O will have to wait
JR and DMAC were the right picks at the time, They both looked amazing in tryouts. Its real tough for a team to have busts in consecutive years with that high picks unless you hail from Detroit.
Maybe we can salvage DMAC but he cant stay healthy
August 26th, 2010 at 7:00 am
Justin Hartwig ???
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I’m pretty sure he is no better than Satele. His position was drafted in the 1st rd and that guy has already taken his job. He can’t be any good.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Morning Hwnrdr….
I can see the point behind it.The owners want to make money.The problem I see is more meaningless games in December and more injured players.The only way it might work is with bigger squads but I can’t see the owners doing that.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:02 am
Rock
I was gonna look up his age before I brought it up and I decided not to thinking he was not very old
32 is old for a center although it sure sounds like we will have to do something
August 26th, 2010 at 7:05 am
Mornin’ Y’all: Plunk, Hwn,Neil, J, and RR.
How’s Thangs?
August 26th, 2010 at 7:06 am
I like it, JV has a future and it can’t hurt to let him start against a real good defense like SF, even without Franklin, it’s a tough matchup.
By the way, I think he did ok last week vs Peppers, for a kid coming from Hillsdale College, wherever that is, to see his first meaningful action against an all-pro caliber 6′7 290 DE was a huge challenge, the kid had some issues but even the best LT out there will have some trouble keeping Peppers away from his QB.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:06 am
Morning BigTed….
Last nightshift tonight then I’m off work till Tuesday……so I’m very happy!
August 26th, 2010 at 7:06 am
Neil
that pretty much sums it up.
More games means more sundays for us to follow the game
But it comes with plenty of problems. Its all the unintended consequences that may make it worse for fans and players.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:07 am
I think Veldheer will do just fine.Bloke seems to have his $hit together.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:08 am
Good Afternoon (on your part of the world) Neil,
Yes…I can actually see more injuries in December than meaningless games though.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Good Morning Big Ted!
Marley…I agree, goven time, I think JV will be that utility player … or maybe even the next Barrett Robbins (Sorry, he’s no Barrett, but can he be?)
August 26th, 2010 at 7:10 am
I say we cut the regular season down to 4 games, no preseason. The other 12 games + playoffs will be played on the PS3 Madden of that year. This way we dont have to worry about the players getting hurt… the greed is showing through if you ask me. They players arent saying they wont play an 18 game schedule… they are just saying they wont play 18 games for without being paid more. The owners are at fault for letting these contracts sky rocket to such exorbitant amounts.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:11 am
Plunkettnead….
I hope they think it all the way though.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:13 am
I like the idea Bcz24!
Greed and ego’s if you ask me.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:15 am
I would rather the NFL add one more game and seek revenue elsewhere. They already milk ticket holders to the bone.
I would pay 10 to 20 to watch the game on the one eyed hypnotist sitting in my layzboy.
Especially if the NFL network spiked it up by letting us watch warmups, more interviews, taking us closer to the locker room, aftergame PC, etc.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:17 am
Now we just need a Cooper Carlisle rolled ankle and the line will be much better off one way or another.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:18 am
and cheerleaders, lots of bouncing boobs, long legs, big smile and interview one once in awhile
August 26th, 2010 at 7:18 am
The Raiders released running back Justin Fargas in hopes of creating more opportunities for McFadden and Michael Bush, who is considered stronger between the tackles and better-built to be an every-down back. McFadden has surpassed 14 carries just twice in 25 career games, in part because of health issues.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:24 am
I think it is time for big John Henderson (6′7″ 335) to have a big game. What has he done to save his spot on the team?
If he does not get his $#!T together I am going to gangster slap his @$$!!!!!!!
That should get his motor going.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Cheerleaders!!!I forgot all about them.We’ll need bigger squads of them.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:25 am
OK…….true.
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fat kidd Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 7:18 am
The Raiders released running back Justin Fargas in hopes of creating more opportunities for McFadden and Michael Bush, who is considered stronger between the tackles and better-built to be an every-down back. McFadden has surpassed 14 carries just twice in 25 career games, in part because of health issues.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:25 am
I just wanna have a bunch of beers and go in ans see our starters blow it up on Saturday!
August 26th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Big John is competing with William Joseph and Kellen Heard for the last DT spot. I don’t see him having any problem making the team.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Yeah, Coop sucks as well. I think the biggest issues we are going to have this year is our O-line and droped passes by a bunch of young speedy WRs with C+, B- hands.
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Lakota Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 7:17 am
Now we just need a Cooper Carlisle rolled ankle and the line will be much better off one way or another.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:29 am
J Wiggle do you think they are just resting the high milage vet for the season?
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J Wiggle Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Big John is competing with William Joseph and Kellen Heard for the last DT spot. I don’t see him having any problem making the team.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:34 am
I wouldn’t say they are resting him, and now that I think about it, he may not be safe.
He is the 3rd NT on the depth chart behind Kelly and Bryant. No way he gets snaps at the 3 tech which is why Joseph was in the game before him.
If they are intent on keeping Bryant at NT, Henderson might be in trouble.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Maybe if it goes to 18 games, the league would allow more than 53 players per team, to compensate for “fatigue”.
I’m OK with watching more games, I just hope that players will be able to stay healthy.
I’m fine with things the way they are.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:39 am
Keep up the good work fellas.
I’ll check’ya Raider.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:42 am
I’m out too.
Have a great Thursday everyone.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:45 am
Chad Ochocinco Now Has His Own Cereal (of Course He Does)8
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Chad Ochocinco’s day job might be NFL wide receiver, but at this point he’s more entrepreneur than professional football player. The Pro Bowler often seems busier away from the game than he does preparing for it.
If it’s not UStream or “Dancing With the Stars,” or his own news network, Ochocinco is making things that make our lives easier. In theory, anyway. Last year, he revealed the prototypes for prophylactics bearing his name (they’re still in the development phase*), and now comes word of his latest endeavor: Ochocincos. That’s right, Chad has his own cereal.
Via Sports Business Digest by way of PLBSports:
“Chad is a great personality, and with his involvement in social media and his interaction with the fans, he was an athlete that we were very excited to work with,” said PLB Sports President Ty Ballou. “One way or another, America has learned and is continuing to learn more about Chad Ochocinco off the field, and they’re finding out how great he is. Who wouldn’t want to share a breakfast table with him?”
So if you live in Newport, Kentucky or have internet access you too can get your mitts on some “low fat food” goodness (note to manufacturers: might want to include a hyphen between “low” and “fat” just so there’s no confusion).
August 26th, 2010 at 7:47 am
Yeahman it is hard to tell. Maybe the coaches have seen more of Henderson at practice then we have to make that call but Bryant did not do a bad job in there. Plus, Bryant has an upside not the same case for Henderson.
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J Wiggle Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 7:34 am
I wouldn’t say they are resting him, and now that I think about it, he may not be safe.
He is the 3rd NT on the depth chart behind Kelly and Bryant. No way he gets snaps at the 3 tech which is why Joseph was in the game before him.
If they are intent on keeping Bryant at NT, Henderson might be in trouble.
August 26th, 2010 at 8:10 am
What up NATION???
August 26th, 2010 at 8:12 am
good morning AM crew!
I step away for 2 seconds and the whole herd shows up …
Tbone, ET, Neil, Hwnrdr, Plunk & Ted get the early bird special.
Jwigg, Marley, BCZ, Lakota & CJ34 get a hot cup of coffee and some oatmeal
fatty gets a bowl of Ochocinco crunch
August 26th, 2010 at 8:14 am
V <——- to get starting C reps…Great Move…
Let him take his lumps in practice games. My hope is that he sticks, and moves satele to backup. Morris can hit the bricks…
I beleive this is what the org wanted all along. To me it seemed they were going to ease the rook in, now it will be trail by fire….
August 26th, 2010 at 8:19 am
what up Thec?
sounds like I missed some good convo RE: John Henderson & Cooper Carlisle
My thoughts are Carlisle will start 16 games (barring injury) and my favorite offseason addition big John is in trouble
Cable says BCamp isn’t even close to being ready and as Jwigg points out … Jhenderson is the 4th DT in the rotation and has battled through a few camp injuries (shoulder, knee) seems to sit out every other practice which reminds me of Lorenzo Neal last year
Henderson in his prime was great and I still think that if fully healthy he can be a monster in the middle. that is the sole purpose of him being here. is William Joseph ready to peak in his 7th or 8th season? doubtful, but if he gives us more than JH it’s a no brainer
I personally would rather keep Henderson for 10-20 snaps per game and hope he stays healthy than have a guy like Bryant, Joseph or Heard and try to polish a turd
August 26th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Season is almost upon us…I am getting amped for some RAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDDDEEEEEERRRRRRRSSS football.
Veldheer getting in at center may be genius, the guy is a load in the running game. I hope they are in a position to run another QB sneak against the Niners. Now if we could just light a fire under Bruce Campbell to replace Cooper Carlisle we would be in business.
Henderson-Gallery-Veldheer-Campbell-Walker
on paper at least, that sounds pretty sweet.
August 26th, 2010 at 8:24 am
RR, what up Bro???
BC playing on the right side at somepoint is inevitable. seems like we have some moving parts that could work.
Jhenderson is a shock, as i wanted to see him in the game on all running plays. the guy knows how to stop the run period. he loves knocking the SH!T out of running backs. Want to see some more of heard as he may have some potential.
August 26th, 2010 at 8:26 am
Is the AM crew in the mood to talk roster moves?
Safe:
Asmougha
Chris Johnson
Routt
McFadden
McClain
Branch
Mitchell
Huff
Eugene
Wimbley
Scott
Brown
Kelly
Seymour
Houston
Shaugnessy
J. Campbell
Boller
McFadden
Bush
Henderson
Veldheer
Gallery
B. Campbell
Carlisle
Walker
Z. Miller
Meyers
DHB
Murphy
Ford
Schilens
August 26th, 2010 at 8:27 am
My thoughts are Carlisle will start 16 games (barring injury) and my favorite offseason addition big John is in trouble
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To be honest, I’d rather see Carlisle replaced than Satele. Let Veldheer play RG if they are determined for him to be the first rookie addition to the Oline.
August 26th, 2010 at 8:27 am
I would like to see Jared the Giant play the entire game against SF & Seattle at Center …
Morris can get some reps at guard with Loper, Campbell and the scrubs
plenty of guys can play Tackle – Barnes, Pears and the scrubs
August 26th, 2010 at 8:27 am
BBB, Thats my starting Oline… May come to pass by game 3. I am hoping satele comes back from injury to add depth. I really hope the rook sticks, he is that good and needs to start somewhere on the Oline…
August 26th, 2010 at 8:28 am
Is the AM crew in the mood to talk roster moves?
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So you think Higgs is on the bubble?
August 26th, 2010 at 8:28 am
I would like to see Jared the Giant play the entire game against SF & Seattle at Center …
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Agreed…
August 26th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Safe
Defense
Ware
Goethel
Pears
Gradkowski
Disagree that Eugene is safe on defense. Stevie Brown is making a push to push him right off the roster.
August 26th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Och-O’s should been the name of his cereal… just sayin.
August 26th, 2010 at 8:31 am
JLH is also safe.
August 26th, 2010 at 8:32 am
BBB: good morning!
we are keeping more than 4 WR’s and guys like Watkins, Figurs & NMiller are not going to unseat my boy JLH
August 26th, 2010 at 8:33 am
Jwigg: one can only hope that Stevie Brown pushes Hiram Eugene off the roster this year!
Porter & Boyd are sure fire cuts
August 26th, 2010 at 8:35 am
DJ Wiggle and I have similar roster predictions … anybody surprised?
only difference I think may be Sam Williams vs William Joseph
August 26th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Should Be In:
S. Brown
Ware
Groves
Howard
Bryant
J-Rich
J. Henderson
E. Pears
S. Satele
K. Barnes
Gradkowski
M. Bennett
Reece
JLH
N. Miller
August 26th, 2010 at 8:37 am
first set of roster cuts is due August 31st – 2 days before we face Seattle
anybody know the # of guys we have to trim it down to?
August 26th, 2010 at 8:39 am
BBB: I think Groves & Howard may be fighting for a roster spot and if neither does anything impressive in the next 2 preseason games the wildcard might even be Slade Norris!
did I just type that?
August 26th, 2010 at 8:39 am
JWigg,
Now that you mention it, I kind of agree with you; they might keep Stevie Brown over Hiram Eugene. Brown and Travis Goethel have been the most impressive rookies during games so far. I doubt that Cable and Al want to risk trying to get these two on the practice squad.
August 26th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Slade Norris? God help Al if he replaced Howard with Slade Norris on the 53…isn’t he behind David Nixon on the depth chart right now?
August 26th, 2010 at 8:45 am
eligible for the practice squad:
Brennan
Tonga
Moline
Bodiford
Hubbard
Miller
Butler
Rodd
Parsons
Smith
Daniels
Gunheim
Heard
Nixon
Norris
Boyd
Porter
Waters
Possible Cuts not eligible:
Bennett/Cartwright
Lawton
Watkins/Figurs
Stewart/Owens
Loper/Pears
Cooper
Henderson/Joseph
Groves/Howard/Williams
Eugene/Thomas
August 26th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Trade DMAC and Howard for a 2011 first round pick!
August 26th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Updated 53
QB Campbell, Grads, Boeller (3)
RB Bush, DMac, Notwright (3)
FB Reece, Lawton (2)
WR DHB, Murphy, JLH, Ford, Watkins, Chaz (6)
OT Henderson, Walker, Pears (3)
OG Gallery, Carlisle, Barnes, Campbell (4)
C Satele, Veldheer (2)
DE Shaugnessy, Houston, Richardson, Cooper (4)
DT Kelly, Seymour, Bryant, Henderson (4)
LB Wimbley, McClain, Scott, Brown, Goethel, Groves, Williams (7)
CB Nnamdi, CJ, Routt, Ware, McFadden (5)
S Huff, Branch, Mithell, Brown (4)
LS Condo (1)
P Lechler (1)
K Jano (1)
Room for 1 more, lol
August 26th, 2010 at 8:48 am
Bubble:
Joey Thomas
David Nixon
Slade Norris
Chris Cooper
Greyson Gunheim
William Joseph
Alex Parsons
Chris Morris
Manase Tonga
Luke Lawton*
Rock Cartwright
Todd Watkins
Tony Stewart
Yamon Figurs
August 26th, 2010 at 8:49 am
BBB: if preseason games mean anything at all, Norris is on the highlight reel twice and Groves & Howard aren’t at all
these guys are fighting for a spot and I thought Norris was destined for the PS again, before we faced Chicago. don’t think the coaches didn’t see that
you know Fassel & Dickenson would give AL DAVIS the thumbs up to keep him on board …
August 26th, 2010 at 8:51 am
First cut down is to Max of 75
August 26th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Room for 1 more
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Jwigg: nice 53
I’d say Loper or Bennett
Cable obviously isn’t impressed with Morris any longer
August 26th, 2010 at 8:57 am
First cut down is to Max of 75
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thanks BCZ!
since Frye & Holland are on IR I guess we have to trim 5 players after the SF game
My guess?
Hubbard, Daniels, Nixon, Heard, 1 OL (Smith, Parsons or Rodd)
August 26th, 2010 at 8:59 am
(fart)
August 26th, 2010 at 9:07 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 8:59 am
(fart)
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Really? I come in here, jump to the bottom, and this is the first message I read. Probably not a good sign….lol
August 26th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Nice roster Jwiggle, but you forgot our best offensive player: The Truth, we might be kind of lost without him.
I am thinking that they will pick-up a veteran FB after all the cuts to pair with Reece.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Weldheer is going to have hhis @$$ handed to him after this game. This is truly a rookie experiment.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:10 am
but you forgot our best offensive player:
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Who ????
August 26th, 2010 at 9:11 am
(Burp)
LMBO!!!
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The Big Banana Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 9:07 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 8:59 am
(fart)
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Really? I come in here, jump to the bottom, and this is the first message I read. Probably not a good sign….lol
August 26th, 2010 at 9:12 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Weldheer is going to have hhis @$$ handed to him after this game. This is truly a rookie experiment.
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we shall see wont we….
August 26th, 2010 at 9:14 am
F orgiveness
A lways
R eplenishes
T he
S oul
August 26th, 2010 at 9:14 am
QB-Campbell, Grads, Boller
WR-Schilens, Murphy, DHB, JLH, Ford, Watkins
TE-Miller, Meyers
HB-Bush, McFadden, Cartwright, Bennett
FB-Reece, (veteran after the cuts)
T-Henderson, Walker, Pears, Veldheer
G-Gallery, Barnes, Carlisle, Campbell
C-Satele, Morris
LB-McClain,Brown,Goethel,Wimbley,Scott,Howard,Groves
DT-Seymour, Kelly, Bryant, Henderson
DE-Houston, Shaugnessy, J-Rich
S-Huff, Branch, Mitchell, Brown
CB-NA, CJ, Routt, McFadden, Ware
ST-Lechler, J-Kow, Condo
August 26th, 2010 at 9:15 am
Just don’t understand why some people seem to be rooting against Veldheer.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:16 am
J Wiggle – no tight ends? No wonder you have room for one more even though you have 7 LBs and 5 CBs…lol
August 26th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Ahhh, the TEs
August 26th, 2010 at 9:18 am
good morning Banana!
CJ “Burp” = nice one bro
August 26th, 2010 at 9:18 am
To make room for TEs Miller, Meyers and Stewart ..
Cooper and Williams get cut!
August 26th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Just don’t understand why some people seem to be rooting against Veldheer.
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me neither
Jared the Giant will silence the haters. I remember against Chicago, V tossed Peppers around like a rag doll on one play
August 26th, 2010 at 9:21 am
BART Bridge Blues – I agree man. I just get this feeling we should carry 4 RBs this year. DMC is bound to get hurt, which would put us 1 injury to Michael Bush away from being in trouble. Especially if Bennett is a better runner than Cartwright and we keep Cartwright over Bennett because of his ST skills.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:22 am
# J Wiggle Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 9:18 am
To make room for TEs Miller, Meyers and Stewart ..
Cooper and Williams get cut!
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There ya go! Get rid of Williams!!!
August 26th, 2010 at 9:23 am
To make room for TEs Miller, Meyers and Stewart ..
Cooper and Williams get cut!
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Stewart vs Williams = tough call
August 26th, 2010 at 9:25 am
TE spot, need to keep 3 as insurance… Williams is a$$ out…
August 26th, 2010 at 9:26 am
We should cut all of our FB’s and sign whichever one the jets cut.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:26 am
bcz24 Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 9:26 am
We should cut all of our FB’s and sign whichever one the jets cut.
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HAAHAHHAHAHHAHA….
August 26th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Williams & Stewart are in a similar situation
both good on ST. both good locker room guys
neither contributes much on offense/defense
August 26th, 2010 at 9:29 am
yeah, I am glad somebody else is seeing this problem in our RB unit. McFadden can’t run between the tackles, he is more of our x-factor guy. So we have just Bush as our primary running back, and he will need to be spelled due to injury or “fatigue” at several points during a 16-game season. Just having Rock Cartwright behind him isn’t enough. Our offense will live or die on the running game this season, we need to have fresh legs.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Speculation is that Jason Davis will be the FB the Jets will cut.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:36 am
McFadden can’t run between the tackles
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find a quote from Al Davis or ANY Raider coach that has EVER said that …
the Raiders can’t run up the gut because they’ve had guys like Satele & Morris at Center since DMAC was drafted. Guys like Lawton & Reece at FB. Guys like Russell & Gradkowski at QB. 8 man fronts, zero threats at WR. predictable offensive gameplans, etc
biggest knocks on DMAC are durability & fumblitis. they’ve been working on ball security this offseason and McFadden has been held out of practice or preseason games every time he coughs or sneezes by Cable as a “precaution”
August 26th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Mike and Mike’s radio show this morning picked the Oakland Raiders to be a suprise playoff team!
The Houston Texans need LBs bad. I wonder if they are talking to the Raiders about Howard.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Jason Davis will be the FB the Jets will cut.
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been down that road before. no thanks!
August 26th, 2010 at 9:38 am
The Raiders are treating DMAC like San Diego treated LT. Hear is hoping DMAC becomes an LT.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Im hoping DMAC becomes a good enough RB to carry LT’s jockstrap!
August 26th, 2010 at 9:41 am
truth be told, the Raiders REALLY should have signed Thomas Jones …
I don’t think they wanted anybody to compete with the McBush show though.
Jones would run for 1500 yards and the other guys would combine for 500.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:42 am
RR – Run DMC gets tripped up by the hash marks, let alone those big fellas in the middle. They so much as breath on him and he goes down. Davis and the coaches would never admit or announce something like that even if they wholeheartedly agreed with the assessment.
That being said, the durability issue alone is enough to warrant a 4th RB.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:43 am
The Houston Texans need LBs bad. I wonder if they are talking to the Raiders about Howard.
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Thomas Howard & Slade Norris for WR Jacoby Jones?
August 26th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Run DMC gets tripped up by the hash marks, let alone those big fellas in the middle. They so much as breath on him and he goes down
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Propaganda
August 26th, 2010 at 9:45 am
# bcz24 Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Im hoping DMAC becomes a good enough RB to carry LT’s jockstrap!
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I hear you there!
August 26th, 2010 at 9:45 am
LMAO, Banana.
DMAC = menace to victory.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:46 am
RR – lol. you know it’s true, don’t deny it bro!
August 26th, 2010 at 9:47 am
If i’m the Raiders I say this …
Todd Watkins
Yamon Figurs
Nick Miller
Shaun Bodiford
Thomas Howard
Quinton Groves
Slade Norris
Sam Williams
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Pick 2 or 3 and give us WR Jacoby Jones
August 26th, 2010 at 9:49 am
BSJ – lol..you know it! He’s one more injury ridden season away from me declaring him a waste of a roster space.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Let me drop in this discussion on the OL.
Typically the game day lineup will be 8 lineman, on the 46 game day roster.
With that in mind, the remaining three lineman must be able to swing, to different positions on the line, due to a injury.
Let’s look at the remaining players.
As much as you all believe Morris is gone, he has so much versatility, that he would be hard to cut. Morris can play, LG, RG, C, and a little unknown fact is, he is our back-up LS and short snap, if Condo ever got injured.
That may not be as important , because Zach Miller has been practicing LS, and short snap also. Do you risk Zach Miller getting hurt on ST.
Campbell, is working at RG. I don’t see the Raider organization messing with him. Campbell has to get used to playing inside and he is very raw. Campbell will make the 53 team roster, but may be off the game day suited 46. Haven’t seen Campbell on special teams either.
Barnes, can play LT, RT, and maybe some guard, I just don’t think he likes to be inside. Barnes can swing to replace a injured LT, RT and has special teams value also.
Veldheer, can play LT and were seeing him play center. Looks like to me the Raider organization has planned for him to be the back up at center. Veldheer is athletic and strong enough to play against the NT, but can he play low and make all the protection calls for the OL. This weekend will be a big test for Veldheer.
Pears, has mobility and is a ZBS lineman, he can play both the LT, RT and in a pinch last year a servicable tight end, if they want a exta blocker, or fills in for an injury. Pears also played last year on special teams.
The players who start can also play multiple positions, as noted Walker, RT, LG. Gallery LG, LT, Satele, C and RG, and Carlisle and Henderson are the two that, I haven’t seen in any other position.
So the final roster of players, have to be able to, play multiple positions and a big extra plus is, can they be on some special teams.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:53 am
We already have enough “Jacoby Jones” types.
We need someone reliable.
August 26th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Dell: are you ready for draft weekend?
saw some msg’s about individual defensive players. I hope you don’t do that
I don’t want to waste all Sunday afternoon on FF
hope the guys who won’t be there Pre Rank thier players and go to auto draft so we don’t have to wait on them each round
August 26th, 2010 at 9:59 am
8 OL active on gameday
Henderson, Gallery, Satele, Carlisle, Walker, Campbell, Veldheer, Barnes/Pears
August 26th, 2010 at 10:01 am
I like TH, and I wouldn’t trade him. I also think he us me of the best cover LBs in the league.
Good morning nation.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:01 am
RRS
Draft will stay as scheduled. No defensive players.
The draft will go fast. Most of the guys who are in the league have ranked by position their players and will be fast. The draft sems to slow down for the remaining few bench players, which usually takes a lil more time.
I was in 5 last year and the longest was one hour twenty minutes.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!!!!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:05 am
I was in 5 last year and the longest was one hour twenty minutes.
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awesome, because i’m thinking the little pregnant mama wants to paint the baby room this weekend
I’m in 3 leagues and have a draft scheduled for this Saturday & Sunday. I was worried I wouldn’t get stuff done that I need to
August 26th, 2010 at 10:06 am
My opinion of the Oline is that it sucks thanks to Cable. I wouldn’t blame the players as much as the coach who has confused the hell out of them for the better part of the last 4 years…
August 26th, 2010 at 10:07 am
good morning O, ray, moe …
August 26th, 2010 at 10:08 am
New Raiders players’ T-shirts say “Champions” and then underneath “We are going to win the AFC West and then go after the Super Bowl.”
about 13 hours ago via TweetDeck
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Whatever happened to baby steps….you know, progress. Cable is ready to shoot his wad already. He just provided AD a reason to fire his a$$ if he fails.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:09 am
I think Thomas Howard and Mike Mitchell are the same player wearing different numbers. You can cut either one, cause they do the same thing. MM has the Tatum aura, TH will be blamed for the weakness vs the run of a poorly designed system that does not use a nose guard & does not run-blitz. I think TH is out.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:13 am
I still think Thomas Howard should be packaged with lower draft picks and shipped off for some o-line help. It sounds like they’re going to give him his fair share of playing time against the 49ers and see if he can raise his trade value…
August 26th, 2010 at 10:13 am
8 OL:
Henderson
Gallery
Walker
Satele
Veldheer
Campbell
Barns
Pears
August 26th, 2010 at 10:15 am
TH adds depth in the event an end goes down and Scott has to step in….also can be used in the 3-4.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:16 am
The Autumn wind is upon us…
RAIDER NATION…..are you ready for some FOOTBALL????
August 26th, 2010 at 10:17 am
I think Thomas Howard and Mike Mitchell are the same player wearing different numbers. You can cut either one, cause they do the same thing.
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Macho:
Mitchell can hit (for a safety) but has questionable cover skills
Howard can cover (for a linebacker) but has questionable tackling skills
interesting scenario you brought up … maybe Mitch should bulk up and play WLB or Howard should slim down and play safety?
August 26th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Cut:
Cooper
Eugene
Williams
Keep:
T Goethel
S Brown
TH
August 26th, 2010 at 10:19 am
I agree RR. 2 diff players. A cover guy and a head hunter. We need both IMO.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:19 am
TH adds depth in the event an end goes down and Scott has to step in
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Mudslide: Scott, Wimbley & Groves can all play DE
so can Seymour, Kelly & Bryant
J-Rich will be the first guy in if Shaughnessy or Houston get injured anyways …
August 26th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Howard = Darnell Bing?
August 26th, 2010 at 10:21 am
Captain,
Exactly. We need to keep TH.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:22 am
RR, my weak attempt at keeping Howard on the team…
August 26th, 2010 at 10:24 am
We have 4 slots available in this league!!
C’mon and join!!
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/register/tos?league_id=592300&password=7624216
August 26th, 2010 at 10:25 am
RR, O, Dingle berry!!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:27 am
RR,
-Bing never played a full season
-TH had 6 INTs in one season. 2 more than Huff in 4 seasons.
-has 23 PDefs, and 381 tackled in 4 season.
He has more INTs than huff in 4 seasons!!! He has 7 and huff has 4!!!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:28 am
my weak attempt at keeping Howard on the team…
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Mudslide: hey man, I was right there with you last offseason and even the first part of this offseason
I thought Morrison & Howard were fine, but obviously the coaching staff (and my buddy Jwigg) felt differently. I thought the problem was more with that 3rd LB Brown/Williams/Alston and the DT’s Warren/Kelly
we moved Scott to WLB (Howard’s old spot) last year
traded for Wimbley & Groves
tendered Ricky Brown – 2nd round
re-signed Sam Williams
drafted Travis Goethel
McClain obviously replaced Morrison
the writing is on the wall bro. Howard = cut or traded
August 26th, 2010 at 10:29 am
whens the draft R8eray?
August 26th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Tackles*
I appreciate the invite R8, but Im sorry that I have to decline. I have school, and I like to chat with You People, so I don’t have time to play/WIN in FFL.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Huff > Howard
Huff = 16 game starter last year. projected starter this year
Howard = benched for Scott last year and currently on the trade block
August 26th, 2010 at 10:31 am
well said, RR…your take last year was much the same as mine.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:31 am
r8eray Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 10:24 am
We have 4 slots available in this league!!
C’mon and join!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Ray would like to, but I’m in to many leagues. This takes more time than many people think.
The waiver wire and the bye weeks keep you jumping.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Sept. 2nd @7pm
August 26th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Ray would like to, but I’m in to many leagues. This takes more time than many people think.
The waiver wire and the bye weeks keep you jumping.
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Agreed – same here
August 26th, 2010 at 10:32 am
I know….this is my second!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Sept. 2nd @7pm
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isn’t that during the Oakland/Seattle game ???
August 26th, 2010 at 10:34 am
NO…….don’t say that!!!??
August 26th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Week 04 Thu, 09/02 at 7:00 PM PDT
Home: Oakland Coliseum
Team LeadersPassing: . Rushing: . Receiving: .
TV: KICU TV36
Sirius: 125
August 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Sh!ettt!!!!!!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:37 am
That’s why that day/time was in my head!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:38 am
sorry ray
August 26th, 2010 at 10:39 am
RR,
TH > Huff!!!
-TH: has more tackles (380), more INTs (6) 4 seasons, and about the sane PDefs (23).
-Huff has 240 tackles, 4 INTe, and 31 PDefs.
TH > Huff!!!!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:39 am
I’ll change it to something more convenient!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:39 am
it’s no big deal to change the date or time …
August 26th, 2010 at 10:40 am
R8eray, a Saturday
August 26th, 2010 at 10:41 am
O: in a year or two you’ll be able to hire Thomas Howard at the used car dealership
August 26th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Sat. good for you guys? I have one at (actually its a live draft)??
August 26th, 2010 at 10:43 am
In 4 seasons:
-TH: 380 tackles, 7 INTs, and 23 PDefs.
-Huff: 250 tackles, 4 INTs, and 31 PDefs.
TH was a 2nd RD pick, and Huff was a 1st.
TH > Huff!!!!!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:45 am
O:
stats are for losers – Warren Sapp & Mike Tomlin
August 26th, 2010 at 10:45 am
And Huff can be a farmer in The PEF Project. lol
August 26th, 2010 at 10:46 am
What time is the draft this Sunday? I have a draft at 7pm eastern for my big money league so I hope it wont interfere. I hate preranking and autodrafting
August 26th, 2010 at 10:46 am
LMAO RR!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:47 am
The PEF Project ???
August 26th, 2010 at 10:47 am
new post up
August 26th, 2010 at 10:48 am
WHATS UP NATION!!!! havent been on much lately my wife was in the hosp. needed bedrest due to complications of pregancy. all is good now mom and son are home safe and my lilraider is ready to kick some afc west azz!!!!
August 26th, 2010 at 10:52 am
I hope they don’t trade Thomas Howard, because some excellent offenses like the Patriots and Saints will see that between Asmougha, CJ, Seymour and Houston our weakness is covering in the middle of the field. We got a bunch of undersized, pass-rushing DE’s playing OLB, and when someone like Tom Brady is pulling the trigger at QB he will pick those guys apart, well before Scott or Wimbley get anywhere near him. Howard gives us so much diversity on defense.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:52 am
RR,
BTW, did you know that I like Huff, and I wanted us to draft him or VY?
I don’t think we are using players like TH, Huff, Nnamdi, MM, JLH, and DMC i’m a way to get the most production out of them.
September 1st, 2010 at 9:36 am
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