What we didn’t learn from training camp
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, August 27th, 2010 at 8:54 am in Oakland Raiders.
What we didn’t learn from Raiders Camp 2010:
– With contact restrictions in practice, there’s no way to know if the Raiders will be able to block well enough at the line of scrimmage to generate the running game they want or adequately protect quarterback Jason Campbell.
Not much riding on it, except their entire season.
Considering there has been no serious push for a starting job for spots belonging to Mario Henderson, Cooper Carlisle or Langston Walker, that’s not a good sign. (Samson Satele wasn’t pushed until he got an ankle injury against the Bears).
– Darrius Heyward-Bey has improved in some ways and drawn the raves of coach Tom Cable and his teammates, but there has been little on the field to suggest he is anything approximating the No. 7 pick in the 2009 draft. Four practices off for fatigue? Or just the Raiders not wanting to disclose an injury? Neither scenario is all that promising. Heyward-Bey appeared to hit a wall of some kind when he was making progress.
– Darren McFadden was injured again, this time it was a hamstring that put him behind. Still no evidence he can become the kind of 300-plus carry, 1,400-yard runner his Southeastern Conference career at Arkansas and No. 4 overall draft selection seemed to suggest.
– Lots of pressure packages in training camp, but with Kamerion Wimbley’s third down prowess as a rush end, and with the defensive line getting a natural push from a four-man line, will they regress into a base shell and stay there? If it works, no problem, that’s always the best way to go. But there seemed to be some creativity going on with regard to Nnamdi Asomugha in the secondary and with more blitz packages than usual.
– Backup quarterback is currently up for grabs. Considering how Bruce Gradkowski played last year, you wouldn’t think that would be the case. But Hue Jackson wasn’t a part of what Gradkowski did after replacing JaMarcus Russell, and he has a history with Kyle Boller _ who has played well. If Boller is No. 2, Gradkowski’s tender of nearly $1.8 million could be a lead weight.
– There is no way to know if the Raiders can get their return game back to the 2008 standard under special teams coach Brian Schneider. Returns aren’t live in practice and the preseason games haven’t solved anything.
No doubt they’d love to see Jacoby Ford seize the day as the punt return specialist (and maybe even kickoffs if he was completely healthy) but a quadriceps injury slowed his progress. Neither Johnnie Lee Higgins, Yamon Figurs or Nick Miller moved to the forefront.
– Do the Raiders have faith that McFadden will stay healthy enough so they keep Rock Cartwright as the third running back? Cartwright returns kickoffs and plays on all special teams, but it’s pretty clear Michael Bennett is the superior scrimmage runner. If McFadden were to go down and Bush were to get nicked, then Bennett is more of a legitimate 20-carry, 100-yard threat than is Cartwright.
– No one has stepped up to demonstrate they can be a solid No. 2 tight end behind Zach Miller. Brandon Myers, in his second year, has the most promise, but Tony Stewart is the better blocker and journeyman John Owens hasn’t ascended the ladder unless he’s a film room star.
– Cable has essentially put the blame of the porous run defense at the feet of last year’s starting linebackers _ Kirk Morrison, Thomas Howard and Ricky Brown (and later Jon Alston). Maybe he’s right. But there isn’t a big enough sample size to say with absolute certainty that Rolando McClain, Trevor Scott and Kamerion Wimbley will solve all their ills. To be fair, there really is no way to know in training camp. How they fare against Chris Johnson in Week 1 will be a big clue.
– John Henderson was brought in with the reputation of being a run-stopper, but judging from the practice rotation, he’s No. 4 behind Richard Seymour, Tommy Kelly and Desmond Bryant. He’ll probably be around in Week 1, but the Raiders have said, “thanks, but no thanks” to respected veterans before (Donovan Darius, Lorenzo Neal, Ed Hartwell) after getting a long look in camp before.
– Fullback, anyone? Marcel Reece can catch and block a little. Manase Tonga can block and catch a little. Luke Lawton is suspended for the first two games. Chane Moline is a longshot. Alex Daniels got a brief trial and was moved back to defense. Lamarr Houston has seen some action at fullback in goal line defenses.
It’s conceivable the Raiders fullback is on another roster, awaiting cutdown day.
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August 27th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Raider Nation…
August 27th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Wassup good people!
August 27th, 2010 at 8:59 am
What up Jwigg???
August 27th, 2010 at 9:02 am
whats up wigg
August 27th, 2010 at 9:10 am
also not settled in camp: who fits where at the two safety spots. Tyvon Branch and Mike Huff look like the starters, but Mike Mitchell and Stevey Brown are gonna have to fit in somewhere, and with Mitchell having been a No 2 pick (an Al flier too, at that) there’s got to be a little pressure to get him on the field. Is Hiram Eugene in this picture? Not unless he comes up huge against S.F.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Sign a FB from the Jets!
August 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Hiram cant really do anything to make me change my opinion of him against the whiners… their best QB is a fringe second teamer at best, and I doubt Hiram is gonna come up big against the run… unless getting run over counts.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:16 am
im out for a bit BUT .. but EUGENE IS TO SMALL TO BE PLAYIN
August 27th, 2010 at 9:17 am
SAFETY.. never liked him never will.. mitch and brown are keepers
August 27th, 2010 at 9:25 am
We also learned that Jerry is no billy goat.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:25 am
Start Branch and Mitchell at Ss. Play Huff at CB, NB, and FS on passing downs only.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Safeties for 2010: Huff, Mitchell, Branch, Brown
August 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Cut Eugene and keep S Brown.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:29 am
O, remind me…
Where did the great Stevie Brown go to college?
August 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Good Morning Nation!
August 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am
O, who was the last Buckeye to play for the Raiders. Al seems to avoid them.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Bo,
He went to Mich, but you shouldn’t judge people based on a few mistakes they did in their past. He is a Raider Now, so I don’t care about his sad & ugly past.
The Great OSU > preppie mich!!!!!
August 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am
– Lots of pressure packages in training camp, but with Kamerion Wimbley’s third down prowess as a rush end, and with the defensive line getting a natural push from a four-man line, will they regress into a base shell and stay there? If it works, no problem, that’s always the best way to go. But there seemed to be some creativity going on with regard to Nnamdi Asomugha in the secondary and with more blitz packages than usual.
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Its all on the coaches now. Keep being creative. If they go vanilla…you will have a 30th ranked defense again.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Michigan
August 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Jay Rich is a Buckeye!!
August 27th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Mike Mitchell is from Ohio too, but he is not a buckeye.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Raider O Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Bo,
He went to Mich, but you shouldn’t judge people based on a few mistakes they did in their past.
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Naturally! For instance, I don’t judge you for your misspent time in Columbus. I prefer to judge you for your greedy suckass bankermonkey views.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Raider O Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Jay Rich is a Buckeye!!
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True true. I had forgotten him and his unspectacular play.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Are you ready to watch US destroy you again for the 6th/ 7th/ or 8th time? Sorry, but there are so many wins that I forgot. I think it will be the 8th time this year.
Poor preppie. The last 7 years must have been really hard for you.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:41 am
– Backup quarterback is currently up for grabs. Considering how Bruce Gradkowski played last year, you wouldn’t think that would be the case. But Hue Jackson wasn’t a part of what Gradkowski did after replacing JaMarcus Russell, and he has a history with Kyle Boller _ who has played well. If Boller is No. 2, Gradkowski’s tender of nearly $1.8 million could be a lead weight.
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How can you not be thrilled the RAiders went and got Jason Campbell and dumped JaDavis?
Could you imagine the roster with Gradkowski, JaDavis and Boller…..
August 27th, 2010 at 9:41 am
O, do you need me to remind you of the alltime record? We are WAYYYYYY up.
And your coach is the most preppie looking dweeb in all of sports history. Sweater vest AND tie???
LMAO.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:42 am
– Darrius Heyward-Bey has improved in some ways and drawn the raves of coach Tom Cable and his teammates, but there has been little on the field to suggest he is anything approximating the No. 7 pick in the 2009 draft.
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As Mike Tomlin told Willie Parker and I am saying to DHB ~ “Put it on tape”
August 27th, 2010 at 9:43 am
Bo,
I wasn’t always a Greedy Banker, but you know: if you can’t beat them, then join them.
I want to be a Greedy Suckass BankerMonkey!
August 27th, 2010 at 9:45 am
I also enjoy sticking it to people like YOU!
Banker O
August 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am
“Now we were briefly excited that Montana’s kid had enrolled at Stanford, but then someone reminded us that his mom was a slut, so she is definitely not pure enough to have given birth to the next Tebow”.
http://www.dailygoat.com/2010/08/tim-tebow-leads-denver-broncos-shocking-9-ranking-latest-ap-college-football-poll/
August 27th, 2010 at 9:56 am
As Mike Tomlin told Willie Parker and I am saying to DHB ~ “Put it on tape”
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Are you suggesting DHB wear double-sided tape instead of gloves? Genius!
August 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am
I want :
-continue my education (MBA) at Haas.
-a nice house with a large yard and pool.
-I always wanted to own a BMW. I love that car.
-I want to travel more.
-wife wants to continue education, so I have to pay for that.
- wife wants a LV bag(s)
-wife wants a BMW too.
-wife loves to travel so she can shop.
-kids have needs too. Toys, clothes, etc..
-kids need good education, so I have to provide the funds.
I come from a poor family, so I have to create my own wealth.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Bo,
Unless you want to donate the funds to me so I can do/ have all those things, I’m willing to do almost anything to get my wealth (share of the pie) including becoming a Greedy Sucksss BankerMonkey who sticks it to you people. lol
August 27th, 2010 at 10:09 am
What about having 3 starting WRs? Thats my question.
Chaz always hurt
Murphy always dropping the pass
DHB ?who?
miller, ford, higgins, figures all the same guy, small wr who cant get seperation.
who else we got?
August 27th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Chaz Schilens carries memories of idol
August, 27, 2010 Aug 2712:01PM ETEmail Print Comments1 By Bill WilliamsonChaz Schilens calls it his “secret relationship” with Marquis Cooper.
It began a decade ago in suburban Phoenix. It ended during a terrible weekend in March 2009 off the rough shores of Florida.
More than 17 months after the tragic death of Cooper, Schilens, the Raiders’ talented No. 1 receiver, opened up about his friendship with the 26-year-old linebacker and special-teams ace who lost his life in a boating accident.
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Chaz Schilens “still hurts” when remembering his friend and former teammate Marquis Cooper.Cooper and two friends, including former Detroit defensive lineman Corey Smith, are presumed dead after Cooper’s fishing boat capsized off the Gulf Coast near Clearwater, Fla. There was one survivor.
Cooper was an avid fisherman who often talked to his teammates about his love of deep-sea fishing. In the days before the accident, Cooper invited Schilens to Florida for a trip. Thrilled to join someone he long considered a mentor and idol, Schilens jumped at the idea.
“Nobody knows,” said Schilens during training camp, still clearly shaken by the memory, “but I was supposed to go out there. I was going to make my [travel] plans to go there the weekend it happened … I remember my mom called me to tell me about it and it was just unbelievable. All I could think about was, ‘This cannot be happening.’ Each day got tougher and tougher and the search went on. It was a rough, rough time.”
Schilens still caries memories of his older friend with him. He brightens up when talking about Nov. 8, 2008. It was midway through Schilens’ rookie season as a promising seventh-round pick in Oakland. He was walking through the team’s facility when he saw a familiar face down the hallway.
“I said to myself, ‘Hey, that’s Marquis Cooper,’ ” Schilens said. “I was so excited. It was just like high school. And then they put his locker right next to mine — right next to it. In this entire, huge locker room, our lockers were right next to each other. And no one even knew our connection.”
Cooper and Schilens both grew up in Gilbert, Ariz. Cooper was three years ahead of Schilens. Cooper didn’t know much about Schilens. But the young football and baseball star (Schilens was drafted by the Detroit Tigers out of high school) knew plenty about Cooper.
Early in his career at the University of Washington, Cooper came to Arizona State to play in front of the home fans. Schilens went to the game just to watch Cooper play.
“He didn’t know it was me but he threw me a glove after the game,” Schilens remembered. “He had a great game and blocked a punt to help Washington win …. He was my boy. He was my idol. It was my secret relationship.”
As Schilens made a name for himself in Gilbert, Cooper became aware of him and the two began a friendship. Schilens wanted to go to Washington just as Cooper did, but the Huskies never showed much interest. Still, Cooper followed Schilens as he developed at San Diego State.
When the two became teammates in Oakland, they often spent time together and Schilens would go to dinner with Cooper, his wife and young daughter. Schilens and several of his Oakland teammates still check in with the family.
In the meantime, Schilens, who is dealing with knee and foot injuries and will miss at least a few weeks after arthroscopic knee injury, wants to reach his potential on the field in part as a tribute to the player who inspired him.
“Marquis was special to me,” Schilens said. “I just wish the best for his wife and child in this terrible tragedy. It still hurts.”
August 27th, 2010 at 10:10 am
I wish we would of got T.O
August 27th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Bring back Ken Yon Rambo!
August 27th, 2010 at 10:16 am
We need to have MM on the field more. MM, McClain, Houston, and Branch remind me of the old Raiders. Players who are Nasty and love contact.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:16 am
crickets and tumble weeds
August 27th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Can MM cover?
August 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am
As for McClain, he hasn’t shown me nothing.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am
I like buckeyes, but we should pass on Rambo. lol
We should have traded for S Holmes!
August 27th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Joking about Rambo, he was drafted by the Raiders and then just faded away like Carlo Francis ( a Ford clone)S Holmes would of been a great pick up. Any WR at this point is a great pick up.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:21 am
-MM is getting better at Coverage, but for now we should have Huff & Branch on passing downs, and start MM & Branch the other downs.
-McClain will show you a lot, but you need to give him more time. It’s the the 3rd week of preseason.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am
It seems to me that there is just not alot of talent out there at WR. The Vikings picked up J Walker to replace Rice, shezh!
August 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Holmes was traded for 2011 5th RD pick. Why didn’t we get him?!
August 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Vikings traded for a WR from Miami.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Joking about Rambo, he was drafted by the Raiders and then just faded away like Carlo Francis ( a Ford clone)S Holmes would of been a great pick up. Any WR at this point is a great pick up.
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What do you mean by ” a ford clone”….
August 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Raider O Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Holmes was traded for 2011 5th RD pick. Why didn’t we get him?!
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character issues. The raiders are about getting guys that dont bring problems…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am
I think we can trade for Roy Williams if the price is right (I miss B Barker), or we can get Crayton for cheap (or free if he gets cut). the Boys had good talent at WR.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Raider O Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am
I think we can trade for Roy Williams if the price is right (I miss B Barker), or we can get Crayton for cheap (or free if he gets cut). the Boys had good talent at WR.
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Cowboys wont be getting rid of any WR’s until Dez bryant recovers from his injury…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:28 am
What do you mean by ” a ford clone”….
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Small WR that posted the fastest 40 time at the combine.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am
I don’t see any answers out there to fix our WRs. that time has passes. We are stuck with what we got, hope it works out.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Ford had 110 catches in 2 seasons on the same team with CJ S.
He can catch, and he maybe a S Smith Clone.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Raider O Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Ford had 110 catches in 2 seasons on the same team with CJ S.
He can catch, and he maybe a S Smith Clone.
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Truth…Good post
August 27th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Ford and Houston were on my draft list, so I’m very happy with those picks. I didn’t see ford play, but Houston looks great so far.
I think Ford will surprise a lot of people.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Can’t say the Raiders have not been trying to get better at WR. When Brown-Rice left they have been busy. Just no one has worked out.
Moss, Murant, Francis, Walker, Miller, Chaz, Higgins, DHB, Ford, Figures, Watkins, taylor, ect ect
August 27th, 2010 at 10:35 am
We shouldn’t worry about WRs till we fix the OL IMHO.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Shot ‘o’ Kool-Aid anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wnw5dmBHpA
August 27th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Trade swayze waters for larry fitzgerald
August 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am
By saying S Smith, do you mean Steve Smith of the Panthers? If ford was 3/4 as good as him he would be a starter with our group of WRs, If S Smith came to the Raiders today he would be our #1 WR no debate about it.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am
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August 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am
Trade any 4 of our WRs for Fitz.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Can’t say the Raiders have not been trying to get better at WR. When Brown-Rice left they have been busy. Just no one has worked out.
Moss, Murant, Francis, Walker, Miller, Chaz, Higgins, DHB, Ford, Figures, Watkins, taylor, ect ect
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what do you mean they havent worked out?
JLH <—– Good WR…Makes plays.
Ford <—— Rookie team is high on him…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Campbell played well last game, buy we need to block better. He was running around & dodging people like Neo.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:40 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am
By saying S Smith, do you mean Steve Smith of the Panthers? If ford was 3/4 as good as him he would be a starter with our group of WRs, If S Smith came to the Raiders today he would be our #1 WR no debate about it.
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Was steve smith no 1 as a rookie in carolina???
August 27th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Just no one has worked out.
Moss, Murant, Francis, Walker, Miller, Chaz, Higgins, DHB, Ford, Figures, Watkins, taylor, ect ect
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Don’t forget Porter, Curry, and Gabriel
August 27th, 2010 at 10:41 am
JLH <—– Good WR…Makes plays.
Ford <—— Rookie team is high on him…
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JLH is no where close to a #1 or #2 WR, he is a good, not great slot WR. The Raiders are trying to replace Brown-Rice a #1 and a #2 WR. Who on our team at WR is a true #1 or #2 WR?
August 27th, 2010 at 10:42 am
He will need time to learn routes, learn to get seperation, etc..but he has great talent which reminds me of Steve Smith due to his size and speed.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Don’t forget Porter, Curry, and Gabriel
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The list goes on…….
My point is the Raiders do not have a #1 or #2 (NFL standards) WR
August 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am
By saying S Smith, do you mean Steve Smith of the Panthers? If ford was 3/4 as good as him he would be a starter with our group of WRs, If S Smith came to the Raiders today he would be our #1 WR no debate about it.
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No one knows how good this kid can be. He had a very good camp, we would have seen hime more had he not injuried his quad….
If you saw him in the game aganst chitown you would have gotten a glimpse. this kid is going to suprise a lot of people, he is a maker…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am
DHB <——1
MURPHY <——2
August 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am
Murphy, DHB, Ford, or Maybe Chaz will be our # 1 & 2 for a long time. Print that!
August 27th, 2010 at 10:45 am
He will need time to learn routes, learn to get seperation, etc..but he has great talent which reminds me of Steve Smith due to his size and speed.
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I hope your right. I will admit I’m not being fair to Ford. He needs time because he is a Rookie, I know this. I’m just saying, if he was that good he would be cracking the starting line up. There is not alot of compitition in with our starters at WR.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:46 am
JLH will get some run as well. whe you say by NFL stanards??? Not sure i get what you mean as these guys are in the NFL…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Thec,
I don’t remember watching him catch that game, can you remind me? I smoke too much. lol
August 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am
If you saw him in the game aganst chitown you would have gotten a glimpse. this kid is going to suprise a lot of people, he is a maker…
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I saw the game, I live in Reno, I don’t have to deal with Blackouts. Every Raider Game is telivised.
I think he had 1 catch for 7 yards.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Rice,Brown,Branch,Freddy B-none of them were even good for their 1st couple of years in the league.Give the young guys a couple of years.For all any of you know,DHB will start to tear it up this year or next.Some seem to want instant gratification and it doesn’t happen that way.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:48 am
JLH will get some run as well. whe you say by NFL stanards??? Not sure i get what you mean as these guys are in the NFL…
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There are WR in the NFL that caught more passes last year then the Raiders whole WR squad.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:49 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:45 am
He will need time to learn routes, learn to get seperation, etc..but he has great talent which reminds me of Steve Smith due to his size and speed.
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I hope your right. I will admit I’m not being fair to Ford. He needs time because he is a Rookie, I know this. I’m just saying, if he was that good he would be cracking the starting line up. There is not alot of compitition in with our starters at WR.
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Route running was one of the things he has gotten praises on allready….
Most people will look at ford and say, OH an Al Davis pcik all speed…Wrong, this Kid is a footballer first and foremost, he just happens to be hella fast….
Did you see his 2 catches in the last game, go back and look at the tape, the youngster is fo real…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:49 am
I don’t remember watching him catch that game, can you remind me? I smoke too much. lol
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1 catch 7 yards, played in the 2nd half.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Raider O Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am
I want :
-continue my education (MBA) at Haas.
-a nice house with a large yard and pool.
-I always wanted to own a BMW. I love that car.
-I want to travel more.
-wife wants to continue education, so I have to pay for that.
- wife wants a LV bag(s)
-wife wants a BMW too.
-wife loves to travel so she can shop.
-kids have needs too. Toys, clothes, etc..
-kids need good education, so I have to provide the funds.
I come from a poor family, so I have to create my own wealth.
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Same here O. You know what to do. Take care of the Fam first. Once everyone is well taken care of….. it’s your turn. The BMW, House ect…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am
If you saw him in the game aganst chitown you would have gotten a glimpse. this kid is going to suprise a lot of people, he is a maker…
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I saw the game, I live in Reno, I don’t have to deal with Blackouts. Every Raider Game is telivised.
I think he had 1 catch for 7 yards.
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2 for 23…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Sorry Thec I only saw 1 catch, a comeback route for 7 yards. Missed the other one, my bad.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:51 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:48 am
JLH will get some run as well. whe you say by NFL stanards??? Not sure i get what you mean as these guys are in the NFL…
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There are WR in the NFL that caught more passes last year then the Raiders whole WR squad.
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How many of those has a syrup head as the QB???
August 27th, 2010 at 10:51 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:41 am
JLH <—– Good WR…Makes plays.
Ford <—— Rookie team is high on him…
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JLH is no where close to a #1 or #2 WR, he is a good, not great slot WR. The Raiders are trying to replace Brown-Rice a #1 and a #2 WR. Who on our team at WR is a true #1 or #2 WR?
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B.S — JLH is the 2nd best receiver on the roster based on production and health.
He makes catches in the games he starts.
I would be delighted to see JLH start opposite Murphy. Those are the 2 best receivers on the roster!
August 27th, 2010 at 10:51 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Sorry Thec I only saw 1 catch, a comeback route for 7 yards. Missed the other one, my bad.
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Its all good Bro… We all want the same thing,and thats for this team to return to glory…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Brandon Myers, in his second year, has the most promise, but Tony Stewart is the better blocker
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Stewart is a better blocker than Myers?
that sucks!
we drafted Myers for his friggin BLOCKING skills and Stewart is only around because he’s cheap, plays special teams and is a good dude to have in the locker room – he adds NOTHING to the offense
August 27th, 2010 at 10:53 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:51 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:41 am
JLH <—– Good WR…Makes plays.
Ford <—— Rookie team is high on him…
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JLH is no where close to a #1 or #2 WR, he is a good, not great slot WR. The Raiders are trying to replace Brown-Rice a #1 and a #2 WR. Who on our team at WR is a true #1 or #2 WR?
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B.S — JLH is the 2nd best receiver on the roster based on production and health.
He makes catches in the games he starts.
I would be delighted to see JLH start opposite Murphy. Those are the 2 best receivers on the roster!
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MURPHY<——-Bad ass thats my boy, however JFORD will be better than JLH, and MURPHY…IMHO
August 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
I would be delighted to see JLH start opposite Murphy. Those are the 2 best receivers on the roster!
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oh yeah!
tell’em S&B
August 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
How many of those has a syrup head as the QB???
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LMAO! Russell sucks! We all can agree to that, but our Oline and WR were below NFL standards as well.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
# Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am
character issues. The raiders are about getting guys that dont bring problems…
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Funniest post of the day.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
JFORD will be better than JLH, and MURPHY
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wow Thec!
seriously?
August 27th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Ford is listed with 2 catches for 23 yards.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:55 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
How many of those has a syrup head as the QB???
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LMAO! Russell sucks! We all can agree to that, but our Oline and WR were below NFL standards as well.
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Would agree with you on the oline, WR’s are young and growing…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:56 am
The Raiders, I am sure, are watching the other team’s cuts closely and working the phone lines to see if there are any potential trades that can be worked out, in regards to the WR front. Schilens, Murphy, DHB, Ford and Miller are decent developmental prospects, but who is catching the 3rd down pass, other than Z. Miller who is gonna be doubled constantly.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:56 am
If you rated all the WRs in the NFL from 1 (best) to 200th (worst), where would our WRs fit in?
August 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am
lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Rice,Brown,Branch,Freddy B-none of them were even good for their 1st couple of years in the league.Give the young guys a couple of years.For all any of you know,DHB will start to tear it up this year or next.Some seem to want instant gratification and it doesn’t happen that way.
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Lefty,
The Raiders shouldn’t have been drafting such RAW players so high up in the 1st round.
McClain is the type of guy you draft in the top 15. Guys that, while still rookies making rookie mistakes, can get on the field and HELP your team from day 1.
Guys that need 2 and 3 years to be able to get to average should not be drafted in the top of the draft unless QBs.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
JFORD will be better than JLH, and MURPHY
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wow Thec!
seriously?
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You guys know i like Murphy, however i think FORD is light years ahead of where MURPHY was at the same time. I will gaurantee you that he wont drop as much as MURPHY either…Print that…
August 27th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Gotta give Mr. Davis credit for getting rid of the knucklehead element.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:58 am
The Raiders, I am sure, are watching the other team’s cuts closely and working the phone lines to see if there are any potential trades that can be worked out, in regards to the WR front. Schilens, Murphy, DHB, Ford and Miller are decent developmental prospects, but who is catching the 3rd down pass, other than Z. Miller who is gonna be doubled constantly.
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Oh ya I forgot about Z Miller, the best WR the Raiders have, to bad he plays TE.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:59 am
Raccoon,
Good morning bro.
I’m working on it. I have been driving the same car since 96. I can’t wait to buy a nice car, but not now. Maybe after I graduate from MBA, then I can buy as a reward for myself.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:59 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
# Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am
character issues. The raiders are about getting guys that dont bring problems…
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Funniest post of the day.
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Thanks for the repost…Actually the Raiders this year are about character players. the trend of going after dead weights, and problems are done.
we had a great offseason.
A great draft.
We piced up quality players without character issues.
Name one player we ppicked up this year that had character flaws….
August 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Thec: no doubt Murph drops too many balls and Jerry Mac says that problem continues in camp
terrible route runner last season, but Jason Campbell has been working with him after practice on that
JMac still says he’s our best receiver, despite these things!
either somebody else has to step up, or Murphy needs to get his mind (and hands) right and quick!
August 27th, 2010 at 11:01 am
later fellas. I might be back in a few hours
August 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am
MURPHY <——-Bad A$$…. A true Raider…He wil improve….
August 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Character flaws? DMAC is a pitbull collector and a serial babydaddy, but the rest of the squad looks pretty mature.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Post 104 is what I’ve been saying. We don’t have a WR that we can count on.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am
S&B I think you are wrong about that.If we are able to draft a player that may take a couple of years to develop but he could turn out to be the better player in the long run,that is the way to go.As I said the trouble with many is they want instant gratification.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am
I like Ford and JLH, so I’m not getting involved in that argument.
JLH had 82 catches in has last season at UTEP, had a great year in 08, so I think he can do great things with Campbell at QB (if he is over the hit issues).
August 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Rockstar,
If DHB had put up JLH numbers…they would have “crowned” his azz
Make DHB earn it. He was a liability last year.
JLH helped win that Pittsburgh game and came up pretty well down the stretch. The year before he had some good plays.
I am taking production over hype and potential at this point. Especially when it comes to receivers and running backs
August 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Character flaws? DMAC is a pitbull collector and a serial babydaddy, but the rest of the squad looks pretty mature.
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This year we picked up DMAC???
August 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am
What we also didn’t learn from training camp is who is going to make the big third down catch when Zach Miller is doubled on third and eight. Which he will be, because none of the WRs we have demand that sort of coverage yet.
Our receivers are young and developing, I get it. That isn’t going to help us on third and long, however. Hopefully the cutdowns this week will yield a vet that can come in and help us there, and hopefully the team will be smart enough to pull the trigger. If I’m Jason Campbell I’m lobbying already.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am
Later Gents.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Post 113 = Truth
August 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
# Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am
character issues. The raiders are about getting guys that dont bring problems…
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Funniest post of the day.
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The Real MaddenRaider, so who did we pick up thisyear that had character issues???still waiting for your answer….
August 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am
How can any of the youngsters develop into that go to WR if we bring in a castoff who isn’t even good enough to make the team he is currently on?You guys are amazing.You want the young guys to step up,but you don’t want to give them the opportunity to do so.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am
edward teach Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am
What we also didn’t learn from training camp is who is going to make the big third down catch when Zach Miller is doubled on third and eight. Which he will be, because none of the WRs we have demand that sort of coverage yet.
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JLH and Murphy with Miller and Bush will be enough options to get that 1st down.
We don’t need any castoffs at this point.
Just put the best receivers on the roster on the field…those receivers that have been practicing with Campbell all year and have been able to practice through “fatigue”
August 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am
edward teach Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am
What we also didn’t learn from training camp is who is going to make the big third down catch when Zach Miller is doubled on third and eight. Which he will be, because none of the WRs we have demand that sort of coverage yet.
Our receivers are young and developing, I get it. That isn’t going to help us on third and long, however. Hopefully the cutdowns this week will yield a vet that can come in and help us there, and hopefully the team will be smart enough to pull the trigger. If I’m Jason Campbell I’m lobbying already.
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JLH <——- He would be in the game on 3rd and long.
MURPHY <—— He would be in the game on 3rd and long.
Both are prove…
Near future as in this year…
JFORD <——- He would be in the game on 3rd and long.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am
I like the comparison of Ford to Steve Smith of Carolina,
Smith drafted in round 3 was not an impact player until his second year when he had 874 yard receiving. Followed that up with 1100 yards then got hurt the following year early on. Followed by 5 1000 yard + plus seasons.
Ford was very productive in college. About the same size as Smith, but Smith is just an animal. I do not see the same fight in Jacoby as Steve Smith has.
From year one to two we may see a huge leap in production like Smith had. I can only hope that happens.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Speaking of 3rd and long. Is the Oline going to hold up this year? Are the Raiders worried about the C position? I’m happy with our OTs and OGs
August 27th, 2010 at 11:19 am
lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am
How can any of the youngsters develop into that go to WR if we bring in a castoff who isn’t even good enough to make the team he is currently on?You guys are amazing.You want the young guys to step up,but you don’t want to give them the opportunity to do so.
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I agree with you here Lefty. Better off going with the guys who have been in camp working with Campbell and the offense.
No castoff is going to help at this point.
JLH and Murphy #1, #2 with DHB or Ford in the slot.
Miller and Bush can catch as well.
That’s enough to get started
August 27th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Crickets and Tumbleweeds
August 27th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Thec, Al Davis is notorious for bringing in players with character flaws. Not to mention, coaches, as we have a head coach who attacked an assistant coach last year, and also hits women.
This whole notion that Al Davis has changed? I don’t buy it. From my experiences, people only change when they’ve faced some sort of intervention. Al Davis lives in a secluded, untouchable world. He’s surrounded by minions and yes men. This atmosphere does not change people. The theory that Al’s simply tired of losing and wants to win doesn’t add up, either. He wasn’t tired of losing, say, in 2006? Or 7? He hired Lane Kiffin, and fired him almost in the same breath, replacing him with an offensive line coach. If he hated losing as much as his fans say he does, I don’t think he ever would have let Gruden go. JMO. Because he’d have to know that meant losing.
Al has avoided the limelight this year where signing problem players is concerned. But using that as a basis to say that Al is no longer about problem players with character flaws? Don’t make me laugh. It’s like saying an alcoholic will never drink again because they’ve gone one weekend without drinking.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Intevention = Billboard on 880 LOL I dontated did you?
August 27th, 2010 at 11:21 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:19 am
lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am
How can any of the youngsters develop into that go to WR if we bring in a castoff who isn’t even good enough to make the team he is currently on?You guys are amazing.You want the young guys to step up,but you don’t want to give them the opportunity to do so.
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I agree with you here Lefty. Better off going with the guys who have been in camp working with Campbell and the offense.
No castoff is going to help at this point.
JLH and Murphy #1, #2 with DHB or Ford in the slot.
Miller and Bush can catch as well.
That’s enough to get started
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I will third that motion….
Stick with the young guns, continue to develop…
I will ride with what we have….
August 27th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Since Curry started going downhill, we have not had a single WR who can consistently make the big 3rd down catch. When you need 8 yards, no more and no less; speed is useless compared to soft hands and body control. We dont have that guy yet…
August 27th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Plaxico and a work furlough. That’s the ticket….
August 27th, 2010 at 11:22 am
I’m out. Later Nation!
August 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Thec, Al Davis is notorious for bringing in players with character flaws. Not to mention, coaches, as we have a head coach who attacked an assistant coach last year, and also hits women.
This whole notion that Al Davis has changed? I don’t buy it. From my experiences, people only change when they’ve faced some sort of intervention. Al Davis lives in a secluded, untouchable world. He’s surrounded by minions and yes men. This atmosphere does not change people. The theory that Al’s simply tired of losing and wants to win doesn’t add up, either. He wasn’t tired of losing, say, in 2006? Or 7? He hired Lane Kiffin, and fired him almost in the same breath, replacing him with an offensive line coach. If he hated losing as much as his fans say he does, I don’t think he ever would have let Gruden go. JMO. Because he’d have to know that meant losing.
Al has avoided the limelight this year where signing problem players is concerned. But using that as a basis to say that Al is no longer about problem players with character flaws? Don’t make me laugh. It’s like saying an alcoholic will never drink again because they’ve gone one weekend without drinking.
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You go 3 paragraphs to explain something everyone knows…
So answer the question, who have we picked up this year that has character issues????
August 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am
What I would like to see this year…
More 3rd and shorts instead of failing on first and second down and throwing 3rd and 10 or longer just like we did on the openining drive against Chicago.
If we cannot get 1st and 2nd down production we will eventually get stopped every drive.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:24 am
Thec07,
JLH and Murphy… proven? How do you figure that? I like them both, don’t get me wrong, but to say they are “proven” NFL receivers is a bit of a stretch.
I want to be wrong about our not having consistent, reliable receivers that can get open and make the difficult catch when the money’s on the line, I really do. What I’ve seen from our group is speed, work ethic and effort, and flashes of good play. What I haven’t seen is consistency, and while they all have the ability to be consistent someday, if we’re going to survive the season and keep the defense off the field we’re going to need some consistency now.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:26 am
edward teach Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:24 am
Thec07,
JLH and Murphy… proven? How do you figure that? I like them both, don’t get me wrong, but to say they are “proven” NFL receivers is a bit of a stretch.
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Teach, with all due respect BRO, they are in the NFL, and were productive….
The oline, and the QB also have an impact on the numbers….
So yesr JLH, nd MURPHY IMHO are proven WR’s…
If not Hue woud be giving them the bums rush…
August 27th, 2010 at 11:27 am
JLH, has benn in the league 4 years…Proven…
August 27th, 2010 at 11:28 am
What’s the word on Plaxico?
August 27th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Teach,
Its too late to impact the roster with a meaningful acquisition unless you are thinking about a Richard Seymour for a 1st round pick type of trade.
Just bringing in another guy wont’ measurably help things. Just confuse them.
Murphy and JLH can’t get better watching on the bench.
if a move was to be made, it had to be early in the offseason…week 3 of preseason is too late.
Anyway, Murphy and JLH will move the chains.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Anyway, Murphy JLH and JFORD will move the chains
August 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am
# raidersxy Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Intevention = Billboard on 880 LOL I dontated did you?
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How is that an intervention?
August 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am
So who did we pick up that has characters issues?
August 27th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Thec, I answered your question. We haven’t picked up anyone this year with character flaws. But that still doesn’t convince me that Al Davis has changed, and that he’s no longer about bringing in such players. After all, the season’s still young.
Al Davis thrives on chaos. Common knowledge, Thec. Al’s supporters say Al hates losing. I can tell you what he hates more: Organization, cohesiveness, and overall quietness. History has proven that he can’t take it for too long.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:32 am
K. Rambo, Carlos Francis, Johnny Murant hahaha! Wow, completely forgot about those guys. Don’t forget the yearly pre-season MVP Kenny Shedd!!
August 27th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Lefty,
Nobody’s talking about thwarting the young guys’ development. Those guys are going to get their snaps, and should. What we’re talking about is getting a reliable veteran in here that can save our bacon (or at least increase the odds of it happening) when we absolutely have to have a catch. Takes the defense’s focus off of Miller in those situations, and also can open up the field a bit for the young guys.
And nobody’s talking about a castoff, either. Players are cut for all sorts of reasons this time of year. Heck, the Seahawks are rumored to be cutting Houshmanzadeh for payroll and “getting younger” reasons.
I don’t think we should just grab anybody, and give him all the snaps that our young guys need. I think we should grab a reliable vet if one becomes available, though. I guess I’m just not happy with three and outs, field goals and a tired defense as the alternative to that.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:33 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Thec, I answered your question. We haven’t picked up anyone this year with character flaws. ++++++++++++++++++
Thanks for admitting you were wrong…
August 27th, 2010 at 11:34 am
Al Davis thrives on chaos. Common knowledge, Thec.
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Pure BS. Give Mr. davis credit for assembling a young yet adult roster. And with Kiffin gone, even the coaches have class.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Teach, In the 3rd and longs so far, how has the team looked?
We had a thrid and long and completed screen to bush that went for 24….
Play calling…
August 27th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Teach, In the 3rd and longs so far, how has the team looked?
We had a thrid and long and completed screen to bush that went for 24….
Play calling…
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Yup
August 27th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Anyway…
Like I said, I don’t believe Al Davis has changed. His history speaks louder than one off season avoiding the acquisition of problem players. One off season avoiding problem players is not going to discredit the so many former players and employees who’ve described Al as someone who thrives on chaos, and hates organization and chemistry. I also don’t buy that Al has changed because he’s tired of losing, so to speak. He should have been tired of losing in 2003.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Thec,
We also had a third and 9 in the red zone and Louis Murphy dropped a ball that hit him in the hands.
We could go around and around all day. Difference of opinion, no big deal. I respect yours, just don’t agree.
Peace.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Anyway you were wrong and admitted it…
August 27th, 2010 at 11:39 am
edward teach Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Thec,
We also had a third and 9 in the red zone and Louis Murphy dropped a ball that hit him in the hands.
We could go around and around all day. Difference of opinion, no big deal. I respect yours, just don’t agree.
Peace.
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Much respect for your opinion Bro….
Peace…
August 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am
edward teach Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Thec,
We also had a third and 9 in the red zone and Louis Murphy dropped a ball that hit him in the hands.
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Have to admit that was a p!sser…
August 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am
LMAO.
Mr. Davis’ critics point to the terrible record of the last seven years and ignore the great records prior.
But when discussing his “acquisition of problem players” they ignore the quality of the current team and point to the mistakes made many years ago.
Nice logical gymnastics.
I blame Ron Wolf and Bruce Allen for the past knuckleheads.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am
The truth is we havent picked up any character issues players this year…Just like I posted earlier with the funniest post of the day…lol
August 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Keys to last two preseason games
1. Avoid Injury
2. DHB needs to be effective so he can be confident and in rhythm when the games matter
August 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Anyone STILL think we shouldn’t have picked up T.O.?
August 27th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Rich Gannon on Al Davis:
“This is not something that I haven’t discussed publicly and privately before with the owner. I’ve talked to Mr. Davis at great length about our philosophical difference of opinion. I believe that you need to have discipline, structure, a system in place, organization. He is a guy that is not a big believer in having too many rules and that’s one of the reasons why that team, in my opinion, hasn’t had any real leadership and hasn’t had any real direction.”
August 27th, 2010 at 11:48 am
And we also don’t know: Can Chaz Schilens be a reliable receiver or is he just too fragile?
August 27th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am
The truth is we havent picked up any character issues players this year…
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Wow. And I’m sure many of alcoholic haven’t touched a drink in a couple of days.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Al Davis has changed. He didn’t pick up any problem players…THIS year. lol.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:52 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am
LMAO.
Mr. Davis’ critics point to the terrible record of the last seven years and ignore the great records prior.
But when discussing his “acquisition of problem players” they ignore the quality of the current team and point to the mistakes made many years ago.
Nice logical gymnastics.
I blame Ron Wolf and Bruce Allen for the past knuckleheads.
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Wow.
time warp.
I must have missed something.
“quality of current team”??
Al was responsible for JaBust, DHB, McFumble, you know..last three drafts prior to this year?
Sounds pretty current to me.
Also was responsible for the Javon’s, Kwames, Gabril, Antonio fiasco, again all recent..
Who can forget “I KNOW you didn’t want Jamarcus Russell. He’s a great quarterback. Get over it.”?
and the “great records prior”??
Uh…gosh…was most here alive the last great hurrah’s of the early 80’s?? You are aware that’s over a quarter century since the Raiders last claimed the top of the mountain, right?
Oh..I get it.
You want to talk about 3 DECADES AGO??
Why didn’t you just say so?
August 27th, 2010 at 11:52 am
But of course he did retain a problem head coach, who attacked an assistant coach last season, THIS year.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Anyone STILL think we shouldn’t have picked up T.O.?
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I had wanted TO, thought he would have been a good addition, however I would like us to keep developing our players…
Cable not calling plays is going to improve our offense 10 fold…
August 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am
LOL. When did Cable ever call plays?
August 27th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Jackson: I’ll call plays
By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Tuesday, January 26th, 2010 at 9:59 am in Oakland Raiders.
Hue Jackson told Ravens.com his job as Raiders offensive coordinator will be to take over the offense.
“I’m hired as the offensive coordinator, and I’ll be the primary play-caller,” Jackson said. “That’s my role. It’s a chance to go out and assist the head coach and be the best offense we can be.”
Coach Tom Cable called plays for the Raiders last season, but indicated at his season-ending press conference he was open to the idea of giving up some of his responsibilities, believing he may have stretched himself too thin.
Jackson said that while he talked with Cable, most of his time was spent with the owner.
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lol
August 27th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
I wanted csble fired for trying to impersonate a OCO, check the record, and yes he was our play caller, or did you watch any of the games???? lol
Thats twice in a row son, you should quit while your behind…lol
August 27th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Wow. And I’m sure many of alcoholic haven’t touched a drink in a couple of days.
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And you haven’t hit on your cousin in a while either, but you’re still a deviant.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am
LOL. When did Cable ever call plays?
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Funniest post of the week….lol
August 27th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
ROFLMAO….
August 27th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Next….lol
August 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
im back for a lil bit couldnt resist all this wr talk..
August 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
# Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Anyone STILL think we shouldn’t have picked up T.O.?
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I had wanted TO, thought he would have been a good addition, however I would like us to keep developing our players…
Cable not calling plays is going to improve our offense 10 fold…
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Unfortunately the term “developing our players” is usually akin to the qb struggling, as they wait to develop.
Al taking DHB, passing on Crab, was a mistake.
Not taking an established vet, who’s now lighting it up in Cincy (even though it’s only preseason) was also a mistake.
I know Campbell sure as hell would have loved the option of having T.O. as a target, in lieu of waiting for Chaz to get healthy or DHB to come out of his funk.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
So, Thec, the papers are suddenly credible when they say that Cable called the plays? Are they credible when it comes to Al Davis, too?
August 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am
LOL. When did Cable ever call plays?
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Funniest post of the week….lol
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that was pretty funny
August 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
We will never know if Cable could have succeeded calling plays since JaWalrus couldn’t execute even the simplest few in the playbook.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
# Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Anyone STILL think we shouldn’t have picked up T.O.?
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I had wanted TO, thought he would have been a good addition, however I would like us to keep developing our players…
Cable not calling plays is going to improve our offense 10 fold…
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Unfortunately the term “developing our players” is usually akin to the qb struggling, as they wait to develop.
Al taking DHB, passing on Crab, was a mistake.
Not taking an established vet, who’s now lighting it up in Cincy (even though it’s only preseason) was also a mistake.
I know Campbell sure as hell would have loved the option of having T.O. as a target, in lieu of waiting for Chaz to get healthy or DHB to come out of his funk.
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agree with you rich on the crabtree thing. I beleive TO would have helped our WR’s work ethic….
DHB does need to wake the hell up… we will see…
August 27th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
You want to talk about 3 DECADES AGO??
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It’s been 3 decades since we last had success?
7 years is not that long.
And the book is far from closed on DHB and DMac.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Bo, you know as well as I do that Al Davis thrives on chaos, and that one way or another he’ll bring chaos back to the Raiders, assuming it’s not there already and they’ve just been keeping it out of the press.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Objectivity at it’s finest….
Great read Mr. McDonald!
August 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
We will never know if Cable could have succeeded calling plays since JaWalrus couldn’t execute even the simplest few in the playbook.
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That’s possibly the dumbest thing you’ve ever said. Ever.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Anyone know where I can get one of those T-Shirts the Raiders wore “last” season?
53 Men dedicated to 5-11 or something along those lines….
August 27th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
So, Thec, the papers are suddenly credible when they say that Cable called the plays? Are they credible when it comes to Al Davis, too?
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Who on the sidelines held the laminated 17″ x 24″ sheet double side with all the raider offensive plays???
Keep the hits coming, with each post you top yourself…lol
August 27th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Sorry, but count me in the against Crabtree camp.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
There is not even a shred of dount that Cable called our plays, starting with Greg Knapp’s demotion. In fact, Cable called the plays when Bush ran up 177 yards against Tampa and forced Gruden back to assistant coaching. For a high school.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
^doubt
August 27th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am
LOL. When did Cable ever call plays?
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WOW….
August 27th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
I don’t think Cable has ever made one executive decision since being here, including calling plays. The press only says Cable calls plays because that’s what the Raiders tell them. The laminated play card? Don’t make me laugh. That’s almost like his head set that probably isn’t even plugged in.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
MR, at the family reunions do you call the “plays” or do you delegate to your cousin?
August 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Bottom line is the Raiders don’t see the need for a WR with DHB, Murphy, and Ford in the plans. Mix in some JLH and 7 games from Chaz and I think THEY think they’re fine.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I would say Cable called plays if someone was telling him what plays to call. Like for instance, someone up in Al’s booth would send down a play from the b&b playboook, and Cable would actually relay the play to the QB. If you want to call that, “calling plays”, be my guest. What I mean by calling plays is the person who actually decides what plays are going to be run. And if you expect me to believe that Barney Rubble has ever been that guy, you’re crazy.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
i made some comments earlier this morning in order to win BIG we have to START THINKING BIG!! I made a suggestion of going after reggie wayne.. i have no evidence that hes on the block or is available.. but i do know that the colts need some LBS.. they have a plethera of wideouts in a. collie, a. gonzalez, and a real promising guy in p. garcon.. i wonder if AL called bill pollian and said hey what would it take for me to get reggie wayne, what would happen…. just thinking out loud.. WAYNE is entering his 10th yr hes solid but he is no spring chicken neither…could he be had for the right price???
August 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
I don’t think Cable has ever made one executive decision since being here, including calling plays. The press only says Cable calls plays because that’s what the Raiders tell them. The laminated play card? Don’t make me laugh. That’s almost like his head set that probably isn’t even plugged in.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA….keep em coming….ROFLMAO…
August 27th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Are you guys really going over who called plays last year?
CLEARLY beggin again, lol.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Bo, you’re not on your A-game today. Too angry, bud. Simmer down a little.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
MR, at the family reunions do you call the “plays” or do you delegate to your cousin?
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lol…..
August 27th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
J Wiggle Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Are you guys really going over who called plays last year?
CLEARLY beggin again, lol.
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Yeah, RMR keeps coming at me with some nonsense…
He is allways quite amusing, I can’t stop laughing…
August 27th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
D-Mac needs to heal up;
DHB needs to step up;
Glass-kowski needs to tighten up (his pecs);
Hue Jack needs to open up (the offense);
Defensive line needs to man up;
Offensive line needs to stay up;
Nobody needs to f### up …
Straight up!
August 27th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Remember what Warren Sapp said about who calls plays in Oakland. And when you look at the offensive play calling last year, it looked the same as when Shell was there.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am
LOL. When did Cable ever call plays?
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lol
August 27th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
I had my fun, I am done…Next…
August 27th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
We will never know if Cable could have succeeded calling plays since JaWalrus couldn’t execute even the simplest few in the playbook.
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Some of those calls were mighty suspicious.
JR struggling. O line struggling. And he calls a pass out of the endzone, that gets picked?
And who can forget the “let’s trick em” fake FG, where Jano was supposed to rumble 17 yds for a 1st down? Which, BTW, cost us the game…
Regardless, maybe now he can concentrate on what he’s supposed to concentrate on during a game, which is BEING A HEAD COACH.
I want to see him actually talk to someone this year..even if it’s just the ball boy.
Would that be a hoot..or what?
August 27th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Oh, and Warren Sapp just needs to shut the f### up!
August 27th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Like I said befor I was so rudely interrupted…
Cable had zero business calling plays…
August 27th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Anyhow gotta go grab some grub…You guys enjoy your day…been fun Mr catch you ltr ittle buddy…
August 27th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
I think what they do is give Tom Cable a certain variety of plays to choose from.
For instance, they give him a choice between:
XYZ Streak, XYZ Streak, and XYZ Streak. And he chooses between those 3.
If that’s what you’re saying, Thec and Bo, I agree with you guys.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
we could have had bill walsh calling plays in his prime last year it would have not mattered when you have JaDUMBDUMB under center.. imo
August 27th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
# J Wiggle Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
You want to talk about 3 DECADES AGO??
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It’s been 3 decades since we last had success?
7 years is not that long.
And the book is far from closed on DHB and DMac.
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7 years?
You call ‘02 success? How so?
Liken it to boxing…we got ‘KNOCKED THE **** OUT”..that’s not success. That’s failing.
Baseball-Swept in the World Series..Success? Or failed?
One goal in any sport..win it all.
coming in second is the goal of no one, right?
August 27th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Cable had zero business calling plays…
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That was a pretty interesting Q&A with Jackson yesterday.
Lakota had it right, lol.
Cable = Asst Oline Coach/Time Out Coordinator.
Jackson made it CLEAR that he is making every decision related to the offense. Hell, he might even be calling the TOs, lol.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
MaddenRaider, Question
How can other post under my name in this system? Could it be Management?
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 3:17 am
Last one here?
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 3:18 am
JB – Like a give a rat’s crap whether you agree or not. Why don’t you go fly a kite?
August 27th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Rich,
Are you serious?
Only SB winners have successful seasons?
A lot of bad owners out there then.
I thought we were talking about the stretch of years related to those bad players he signed.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Anyone STILL think we shouldn’t have picked up T.O.?
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WTF??? I’m confused. Did this guy just say WE?
August 27th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
# J Wiggle Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Sorry, but count me in the against Crabtree camp.
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Because?
Crab only held every single receiving title in college..Belitnekoff title twice, which has never been done..received it as a rookie, which also was a first.
DHB? had zero accolades. His knock was dropping easy balls. Along with bobbling easy balls before pulling them in. Along with, even with his great speed, not getting seperation..
All things that continue on..
Crab in one game, with NO training camp, and NO preseason games had more receptions than DHB had in his previous seven games combined…
Crab has zero record of being a prima donna..every coach he has been with states how easy going he is. In SF? What have you heard, other than positive things?
IMO, Al blew it..why do you say otherwise?
August 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RMR are you an extremely negative Raider fan or a fan of another team that hates the Raiders? I don’t comment much but I do scan through now and then and I can’t figure you out. I’m not being sarcastic or trying to get involved in one of your arguments, I’m just wondering what your position is. Most others I can tell are hardcore Raider fan’s like myself. One comment you’ll sound like a closet pickle-smooch and the next you’ll throw out some real raider knowledge. Anyway, just trying to figure stuff out in here.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
# Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
You call ‘02 success? How so?
Liken it to boxing…we got ‘KNOCKED THE **** OUT”..that’s not success. That’s failing.
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There it is again. “WE”. Have a missed something while I was asleep.
Is it 2012 already or something?
Since when did the Raiders become “WE” to Chick-o chet?
The no team admitting closet Niners Fan, who last season came on this blog, berating the Raiders every chance he got, while proclaiming Michael Crabtree…
“The steal of the draft.”
Now he’s talkin bout some “we”.
Lawd, the world dun gone crazy!
August 27th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
winston99 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RMR are you an extremely negative Raider fan or a fan of another team that hates the Raiders?
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He is an abuse whore. When not posting here he visits biker bars and rags on Harley Davidson.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Craptree = proven prima donna
August 27th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Rich,
At the time we made the pick, I “wanted” Maulauga or Alex Mack. The fact that he was injured also had me like, nahhhh.
His antics at the table when we passed on him REALLY cemented my dislike for him.
Plus we had Chaz, who hadn’t gotten hurt yet.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Craptree = proven prima donna
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Where’s the proof?
August 27th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Anyone STILL think we shouldn’t have picked up T.O.?
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WTF??? I’m confused. Did this guy just say WE?
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Yeah, you are confused. I didn’t say it, I typed it.
What? You talk out loud while you type?
August 27th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Thanks Bo, got it, HAHAHAHA! Does he go to biker bars or 9er bars like the “white-swallow,” the “man-hole,” the “tool-box” etc?
August 27th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Right now, I’d take Crabtree over DHB is a heartbeat.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
# J Wiggle Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Rich,
At the time we made the pick, I “wanted” Maulauga or Alex Mack. The fact that he was injured also had me like, nahhhh.
His antics at the table when we passed on him REALLY cemented my dislike for him.
Plus we had Chaz, who hadn’t gotten hurt yet.
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Yeah, but Crab didn’t state he wouldn’t play for the Raiders.
Had he signed, gotten the money he felt he deserved, would be one less team need right now.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
# KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
MaddenRaider, Question
How can other post under my name in this system? Could it be Management?
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 3:17 am
Last one here?
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 3:18 am
JB – Like a give a rat’s crap whether you agree or not. Why don’t you go fly a kite?
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KK
I saw that this morning & knew immediately that it wasn’t you. Posters all tend to have a writing style. In most instances, after familiarizing yourself with the posters, you can tell when there is a troll involved. Not to worry.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Thanks JB.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Somebody mentioned Doug Gabriel in here earlier. I forgot all about him too. I actually thought he might be good for a minute there. Shows ya what I know. Anyone remember Orlanda Truitt? Another preseason guy that never panned out. Some people are putting too much on a player having a good moment or two in the preseason I notice. Slow down on that…
August 27th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Off to the gym/later.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
As tempted as I might be to pick up a veteran WR, I think that would just further delay the development of the young talent that we now have. The young kids need to play in order to develop. The addition of a veteran would just displace active playing time for more development. Now that we have a QB that can hit a target, it only makes sense to take the next step of OJT and QB/WR cohesion development. We are not going to the SB this year so no harm no foul. Fix the O-line, develop the WR corps, see if Bush & DMac are for real or NOT, and adjust accordingly. Our SB run will more realistically be 2011 & 2012. The goal this year should be AFC-W champion and 1 win on the playoffs. If we can do that we’ve had a good year.
Next year we can draft the BIG NT we seem to be missing and 2 more O-linemen and, maybe a RB if DMac fails to thrive. Then just the best available football players.
August 27th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
# Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
You call ‘02 success? How so?
Liken it to boxing…we got ‘KNOCKED THE **** OUT”..that’s not success. That’s failing.
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There it is again. “WE”. Have a missed something while I was asleep.
Is it 2012 already or something?
Since when did the Raiders become “WE” to Chick-o chet?
The no team admitting closet Niners Fan, who last season came on this blog, berating the Raiders every chance he got, while proclaiming Michael Crabtree…
“The steal of the draft.”
Now he’s talkin bout some “we”.
Lawd, the world dun gone crazy!
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ArmChair? What was your other name, before you changed it?
What I suspect is I slapped you around, at will.
Why do I feel that won’t change?
August 27th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Craptree = proven prima donna
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And you would be wrong.
As stated, every coach has stated he’s an easy going guy, no drama, no prima donna, nothing.
the ONLY person on record is the idiot Mangini.
Mangini asked what were his hobbies outside of football.
Crab replied “clothes, I’m into clothes” and Mangini, along with others, labeled him as stuck up, worried about his image, etc…NOT REALIZING THAT CRABTREE HAS HIS OWN LINE OF CLOTHING, and was referring to that.
In SF? have you heard even ONE negative comment in the local papers?
I haven’t.
August 27th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15914369
POST THIS ON DHB’s LOCKER!
August 27th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Actually it is impossible to hear anything from a newspaper.You may read things but you sure can’t hear them.
August 27th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Have a nice weekend gents.
Off to mow the lawn, install a sink and toilet, and fix a furnace.
GOOOOO RAIDERS!
August 27th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Work beckons…
August 27th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
The Most Fiscally Irresponsible Government in U.S. History:Current federal budget trends are capable of destroying this country
By Mortimer B. Zuckerman
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Go Raiders…
August 27th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
i love what jason cambell says or goal is to get everyone back in to the stands because our fans are a big part of our success…….
http://www.csncalifornia.com/pages/video?PID=fYPLH0I1v_ZJfoOmbk3MKYaZU91NfrI9
August 27th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Here’s some future draft prospects to keep an eye on this year:
• Mike Pouncey, C, Florida – 6′5″-312#-5.26/40. Brother of Maurike Pouncey (Steelers). Plays BOTH Tackle & Center. We may have to move up from our current 2nd round position in order to get him. Projected 1-2 round.
• Kendrick Ellis, DT, Hampton – 6′5″-340#-5.06/40 and he’s got a brain! Notes: plans on majoring in business management … chose South Carolina over scholarship offers from Tennessee, Michigan, Michigan State, NC State and Rutgers. Projected 2-3 round.
• Zach Hurd, OG, Connecticut – 6′7″-325#-5.16/40. Has played at BOTH RG & LG and his strength is run blocking. Projected 5th round.
• Anthony Allen, RB, Georgia Tech – 6′0″-232#-4.58/40. 9th ranked RB in country and his stock is rising. Projected 5th round right now but moving upward.
• Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami (FL), 6′3″-215#-4.52/40. On the 2010 Freddie B watch list. Projected 4th round.
• Cameron Jordan, DE, California, 6′4″-285#-4.85/40. TOP RATED PAC-10 CONFERENCE NFL PROSPECT. Projected 2-3 round.
August 27th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Who gives a sh*t about next years draft. Its pretty dumb trying to figure out who your taking in the first round of the draft when were only in August. Let alone wondering whose going to be our second round pick since we dont have a first.
August 27th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
big chill Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
i love what jason cambell says or goal is to get everyone back in to the stands because our fans are a big part of our success…….
http://www.csncalifornia.com/pages/video?PID=fYPLH0I1v_ZJfoOmbk3MKYaZU91NfrI9
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thanks for the post Bro….
Most telling comment was, ” a change in attitude, guys expect to win”….
August 27th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Pass the Cheetos
If you don’t have anything positive to offer then just STFU.
I just suggested some kids to keep an eye on – for those us us who plan beyond next week’s paycheck. We’ve already beat to death the issues of the day/week. Like I said, offer something positive to consider otherwise we don’t need to hear from you. If you don’t like my posts, don’t read them.
August 27th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
‘Sup fellas?
August 27th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Feel bad for that Strasburg kid. Tommy John surgery already. Might miss all of ‘11. He was impressive. Tough luck.
August 27th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
JB I agree with post #226
Gives us a chance to see what we have first before panicking and bringing in a headcase.
August 27th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Keep an eye out on the Justin Hartwig situation. 6′5″-312# C, Pittsburg Steelers. Looks like he’s being displaced by Maurike Pouncey, their #1 pick this year. Harwig has a $2M contract. The may be open to a trade for a draft pick. He’s worth considering. What do the Steelers need this year? A CB (Routt), a LB (Howard)? Maybe something can be worked out.
August 27th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
RMR,
Who gives a ratz azz what fat ol Warren Sapp says about the Raiders and their play calling. Guy has zero credibility. I would take what he has to say about his stay in Oakland with a grain of salt. He has an ax to grind for some reason.
Speaking of Sapp and his lack of credibility. That link to the dude that picked the Raiders as the sleeper team. Did anybody else notice Sapps quote on Tampa Bay. No reason these guys can’t win at least eight. Really? The general consensus seems to be Tampa will be in a season long race with Buffalo and STL for the first pick in the draft. For what it’s worth Mike & Mike both picked em to go 2-14, I believe.
Sapp is a blow hard with an agenda.
August 27th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
JB Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Here’s some future draft prospects to keep an eye on this year:
• Mike Pouncey, C, Florida – 6′5″-312#-5.26/40. Brother of Maurike Pouncey (Steelers). Plays BOTH Tackle & Center. We may have to move up from our current 2nd round position in order to get him. Projected 1-2 round.
• Kendrick Ellis, DT, Hampton – 6′5″-340#-5.06/40 and he’s got a brain! Notes: plans on majoring in business management … chose South Carolina over scholarship offers from Tennessee, Michigan, Michigan State, NC State and Rutgers. Projected 2-3 round.
• Zach Hurd, OG, Connecticut – 6′7″-325#-5.16/40. Has played at BOTH RG & LG and his strength is run blocking. Projected 5th round.
• Anthony Allen, RB, Georgia Tech – 6′0″-232#-4.58/40. 9th ranked RB in country and his stock is rising. Projected 5th round right now but moving upward.
• Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami (FL), 6′3″-215#-4.52/40. On the 2010 Freddie B watch list. Projected 4th round.
• Cameron Jordan, DE, California, 6′4″-285#-4.85/40. TOP RATED PAC-10 CONFERENCE NFL PROSPECT. Projected 2-3 round.
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DUDE… STEFEN “WIZ” Wisniewski!!
07/21/2010 – “He reminds me very much of Hall of Fame guard Mike Munchak, who I believe was the best guard ever to play at Penn State,” Steve Wisniewski said. “He reminds me of Mike because Mike always made it look easy. He was always in good position. He almost looked bored sometimes playing the game because things just looked so easy for him.” Comparing his nephew to himself during college, Steve said Stefen is “a better technician. He doesn’t get out of position, he doesn’t flail around like I did.” The youngest Wisniewski is looking forward to returning to guard this season. He more than held his own at center last year and earned all-conference recognition, but he clearly has a position preference. “I’m a little bit more comfortable at guard,” he said. “I like the ability to use both hands. That’s pretty cool when you’re blocking, not having to start with your hand between your legs.” He also likes “having a little bit more space and area to maneuver” at guard, as opposed to a defender being right in his face immediately after he snapped the ball at center. Wisniewski did what the team needed him to do by switching spots last year, and showing that kind of versatility is something that could pay off for him in the pros. “An NFL team that’s looking at me would be able to look at film of me playing center and playing guard,” he said. “I think that will definitely help me.” – Cory Giger, The Altoona Mirror
August 27th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Good after noon Jb, Priest, Thec, Dakota, Richochet, NATION.
August 27th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 27th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
# buckeyeraider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Sapp is a blow hard with an agenda.
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Can’t disagree with that. He’s not that good a dancer (DWTS) either. His true personality showed through on that show. He’s an obnoxious pompous jerk.
August 27th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
JB,
I like Pouncy, butvim not sure about the rest. Where is the speed bro? 4.5+ WR and RB is a NO NO on Raider Land.
August 27th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Racoon
Wiz would be a GREAT choice but unfortunately he’ll be long gone by the time our 2nd round pick comes around. I tried to highlight guys that we might have a chance at based on our available picks and likely 2010 finish. Next year’s #1 pick went to the Pats for Seymour. That’s OK because that was a great trade for us. I think Seymour will show us hat this year.
August 27th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
You guys want more O-Line depth????????
Read this story on ESPN. It is a bit long but very heart felt. I feel bad for this guy and he graded a second round grade in this years draft. Still not on a roster.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5497517
August 27th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
After watching the last pre-season game. What we saw was what most expected.
The defense is improved.
Campbell is a vast improvement over Russell but you could send Al in his wheelchair out there and he would be an improvement over Russell.
The offensive line is pretty much the same.
The first drive, which is always scripted went well but the offense wasn’t overwhelming after that. Raiders only had 46 yards rushing in the first half.
When it comes to beating Chicago we shouldn’t get excited. Chicago went 1 for 7 on 3rd down conversions against San Diego.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Just for the fun if it:
Next year:
1- we need to draft a C (even if V stays there) OT, and OG.
2- sign a FB or draft one.
3- We need DE/ DT for backup.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Come on, guys, don’t ask me presidential questions, I don’t have my teleprompter and I am buying shrimps.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
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# Raider O Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
JB,
I like Pouncy, but I’m not sure about the rest. Where is the speed bro? 4.5+ WR and RB is a NO NO on Raider Land.
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Check out: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011_WR
The WR prospects in the 4-5 rounds are in that range. I figure we need the defensive NT & O-line help before we focus on WR. Being we don’t have a #1 pick next year & I expect us to be more in the middle of the pack picking, our choices will be limited.
If we could pick up Hartwig from the Steelers (See post #242) this year, that would really help with next years draft needs.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
I told people here that we should draft Tony Washington, but n me wanted him since he had sex with his sister and now he is a reg sex offender.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
He has a pro bono attorney working on his case hopefully he can get things turned around I feel bad for that guy, Tried as an adult at 16 with no parental guidance is LAME
August 27th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
No one wanted him…*
August 27th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
JB,
Never been involved in one of Jerry’s live chats, but I’ve always wanted to ask him about dealing with Warren Sapp.
When he was releases by TB he had two choices. Oakland and Cincinnati. When he signed with the Raiders Chick Ludwig the Bengals beat writer relayed a conversation he had with a colleague from Tampa.
The guy basically said be glad Sapp went to Oaktown. He is a fraud. That happy-go-lucky persona you see on ESPN and the national media is an act. he basically said the guy is a vulgar,tobacco juice spewing lowlife.
I think if Sapp feels that people want to hear dirt on Al Davis and the Raiders,and bashing them, he is happy to oblige. I don’t believe his stories of the phone ringing on the sideline with Al calling for bombs from his box. Or trashing the gameplan on Friday before a game.
Just my opinion, but I think he is making that crap up. Telling people what he thinks they want to hear. Pepetuating a stereotype. I think he is a liar and a phony.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Tony Washington is a creep.
What 16 year old doesn’t realize having sex with your sister is wrong? And he did it twice, and probably would have some more if she didn’t get arrested.
Sorry, Tony, such is life. Now go rotate some tires.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
What we did not learn, but we already knew: the O-line sucks, its is lean in talent and is being poorly coached. The result is Jason Campbell running around making plays in preseason games. Come regular season JC is gonna become a punching bag, just like all other QBs in teams where Cable manages the O-line.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
RMR,
Who gives a ratz azz what fat ol Warren Sapp says about the Raiders and their play calling. Guy has zero credibility.
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I don’t think you can say that a guy with a Super Bowl Ring and probably Hall of Fame Credentials, has zero credibility when it comes to the game of football.
Now if he were pontificating about physics or astronomy……….
August 27th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
What a sad story of a kid left to fend for himself and he makes a tragic decision I wonder why? Kids at that age are capable of anything if left to themselves they’ll make worse dcisions than that. He’s as much a victim as he is a culprit. His sister was as old as he was I thought she was 12 or something and he took advantage of her but this is much different she was as much a sex offender as he was. Why is he being punished and she is seen as innocent? She was forced she did it again with him and didn’t complain or resist.
This is a case of two kids untrained and uncared for making a huge mistake but only one is paying the price because he’s seen as a criminal by society before he ever committs a crime. Both should recieve the same treatment if anything as well as consuling. And therapy I see them both as victims of society.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
I don’t like Sapp either. Can’t dismiss the wacko stories he tells about the Raiders. He played under norv, art shell, and lance kiffen. He won 15 games in 4 seasons. The Raiders really sucked during those years, specially under Shell, that was a nightmarish season. So he aint gonna speak wonders of the Raiders, cause he never lived through good times…
August 27th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Is this a make or break season for Huff? I don’t know when his contract is up or anything but it seems like he’s still on the bubble.
Played well at the beginning of the season but got dinged and disappeared till the back half. Maybe he’s not physically capable of manning the single high safety slot.
Jerry said MM was back there in some practices but his coverage and reads may not be good enough to take the postion out right…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2010_off_season
August 27th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
263. Yeah I remember reading about this kid pre draft. Seems likehe has talent and I was sure someone would take a flyer on him but as a registered sex offender I wonder if that would place restriction son travel and what not?
Too bad…
August 27th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Kell,
I’m not saying Sapp doesn’t know football. And I agree with you, he is probably a hall of famer. One of the dominant defensive lineman of his generation.
I’m just saying I would take some of his Raider stories with a grain of salt. Something went awry during his stay here. Could be the losing he endured like MMRS pointed out. It could be financial on top of that. Maybe TK got the big deal he was looking for. I don’t know.
I think he believes people want dirt on Al and the Raiders, and he is happy to oblige them. Even if he has to “embelish” it a little. He seems to have an agenda. You don’t hear the same stuff from Rod Woodson or Eric Allen. Warren has an axe to grind, IMO.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Mike Mitchell is still raw. Not yet capable of replacing Huff. Hopefully he can in a short period of time. Huff, overall, is a stiff.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
The O-line and receivers will make or break this season. The Raiders are aware of this. Get this fixed and the team will wreak havoc.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
272. Absolutely Buckeye. The guy wants his sound bytes and uses the Raiders as a punch line.
All we can do is show him up for the azz he is by proving him dead wrong time and time again…
It MAY have been that way and that bad(it wasn’t) when he was here but I seriosuly doubt it is today.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Nnamdi, I didn’t know. Can I get a piece?
August 27th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
2010 MAKE OR BREAK LIST:
• Tom Cable
• DMac
• Chaz Schilens
• Mario Henderson
• Tommy Kelly
• Darrius Heywood-Bey
• Johnnie Lee Higgins
• Jay Richardson
• Michael Huff
August 27th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Has Plax been granted a work furlough yet?
August 27th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
275. Agreed Cheater.
My mantra this whole time has been “Fix the O line, save the Raiders”
Veldheer would be gold if he can dominate the center slot.
can’t see it happening that fast with a hybrid play book and coming from a Div II school but you never know…
August 27th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
277. lol!!!
August 27th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
278. Good list JB.
I think Bey gets a pass so I’d put Stan Routt in his place.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Hue Jackson has more ability in his foot than Cable has in total. Hue, it is your team
August 27th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Al Davis apologists worry more about what’s said on television and in the papers, than winning and losing.
Al Davis is 29-83, what the heck did Warren Sapp lie about?
August 27th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
If Jackson had called the plays when the bust was QB would everyone still be saying how wonderful he is?
August 27th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
RRRRRRAAAAAAAIIIIIIIDDDDDEEEEERRRRRSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
August 27th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Buck great post#272
August 27th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
# Try Cheating Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Hue Jackson has more ability in his foot than Cable has in total. Hue, it is your team
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This is really a dumb thing to say. Jackson has not called one play in the NFL yet and you are anointing him the Offensive “guru” of the year? Pretty stupid really.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
# lefty12 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
If Jackson had called the plays when the bust was QB would everyone still be saying how wonderful he is?
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This post is exactly right. And let’s not forget the two rookie WR’s and a makeshift offensive line all year.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Vegas,
Still around? I think you were being a little harsh with JC earlier. You’re right in a sense, his stats are what they are. And they are NOT overwhelming so far.
But as Steven A. Smith would say, HOWEVA. He was looking much better against Chicago. Dallas, timing was lil off w/WR. Just missed on a couple of deep balls.
Versus Chicago though, that int was at the end of a drive which would’ve put them up 17-0 on Chicago’s starters. He was hit just as he released that pass, causing it to go astray. Otherwise that would been six. One of the O-lineman just got beat inside. Don’t see how you can blame him for that one.
And you have to give it to the guy, he throws a nice screen pass. That could be a big weapon this year. Can’t wait to see DMac on the receiving end of one of those.
I know Grads is your guy and all, but give JC a chance. You’ve said you’re pulling for him to succeed. Hopefully, he and the rest of the offense take another step forward Sat night vs. a very tough defense. We’ll see.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
2010 MAKE OR BREAK LIST (Revised):
• Tom Cable
• DMac
• Chaz Schilens
• Mario Henderson
• Tommy Kelly
• Stanford Rout
• Johnnie Lee Higgins
• Jay Richardson
• Michael Huff
ON NEXT YEAR’S BUBBLE:
• Darrius Heywood-Bey
August 27th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
JW, he has a pretty good track record. Then again, Cable is supposed to be a O-line guru, and the o-line is horrible. What ya smokin’ over there?
August 27th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
JB, tail between his legs runs from the debate. I guessed you had nothing left in that pea shooter.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Priest, live and let live? That is a very dangerous belief considering the number of nuts walking the streets. Be careful what you wish for.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Yeah you’re a real tough guy with that computer.
JB you’re right he’s small minded and petty.
I think the Marcel Reece at FB just might work out and I’m not sure what Jerry was talking about as far as the TE position. But IMO Brandon Myers showed last year that he was a very good backup TE. I also like Tony Stewart fills that psoition out really well. I also really like what little I’ve seen of Jacoby Ford.
THis might sound a little hard to believe but if Boller shows off again vs the Niners I think Grads is in trouble because of the money and the injury problems. I think Hue Jackson favors Boller and this Brennan kid may be more intriguing than many think.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
I’m curious about something.
I get banned for a few words tossed at Kelly, he the same.
MR gets banned for abusing the right to be annoying…
Seems OakSeydork/JustCheating(formerly Captain Black) has posted more than enough, above, that has crossed over that new penciled in line..
Uh…MODS???? Please read above, and do as you must.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Where did everybody go? Oh wait, it’s 4:20. Nevermind.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Boller might get in first as relief, but Grads will likely get in against the mopup crew, which likely gives Grads the edge on production.
Sadly, if the Oline doesn’t miraculously gel, the qb’s will be sitting ducks, or scrambling ducks, and the backups might get in sooner than anyone hopes.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Ryan?? Who’s ryan?
Be nice if we can have a sticky on top saying “I was so and so before I got sent to Siberia, now I’m Ryan”
Be much easier.
I mean, some, like MR and Oakdork can’t help but make it obvious who they are, but not always the case with others.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
THis might sound a little hard to believe but if Boller shows off again vs the Niners I think Grads is in trouble because of the money and the injury problems. I think Hue Jackson favors Boller and this Brennan kid may be more intriguing than many think.
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Thats not as far fetched as you think. thats why I want to see brennan, she what he has, then we go to war with the guys that give us the best chance to win…
August 27th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
TJ #321
Yeah, you’ve hit it one he head.
As far as FB goes I think we’ll go after whomever the NY Jets cut. All three of theirs are upgrades to our staff. I agree and think we are set with ZMiller, Meyers & Stewart. Your assessment of Gradkowski’s position is right on too. Especially in view of his two bad wheels and newly found propensity towards injury. The money is less of an issue to AD. It’s all about what can he do for us now and his future upside. Colt Brennan may be holding a better hand than Gradkowski when it comes to the #3 QB position.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Boller sucks. See the games. He sucks it up against the 3rd stringers. Cable has no idea what he is saying. Grad is #2. Bolle or Brennan #3….really look at Boller, he’s Billy Joe Hobert.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Nhamdi I read the link on Huff. I know he made some plays last year but I don’t remember any big hits, let alone “kill shots” that it said he had. Anyone ever see Huff make a big hit? Mitchell will bring THAT at least. Just don’t know about coverage.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
JB- Agree with your “make or break” list (#307)
August 27th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Hoping that we do get to see Colt Brennen play a little to see what he can bring to the table. He probably won’t get a lot of time tomorrow but he certainly should see a lot of time the following week if the scenario we think is in play actually is in play. If he doesn’t get that exposure in week 4 he’s most likely gone.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
The Raiders run a D system that ruins safeties. The only safeties that have had success in Oakland have been Lott, Woodson, and Eric Turner, 2 HOF and a regular ProBowler that had his carreer cut short due to disease. Its a longshot for any rookie, or anybody developed by the Raiders to have success in this system…
August 27th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Gotta go with Boller, unless they see Brennan as the future.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
What are your thoughts about moving Huff to CB? I don’t believe he’ll ever be he hitter that Tatem or Atkinson was. Of course, they could do things (i.e. use techniques) that are not legal in today’s game. Nonetheless, Huff has never impressed me as the hitman type. He’s more of a finesse player. Kind of sounds like a CB, huh?
August 27th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Boller aint winning you any games. Brennan might go out there and pull a kurt warner or something.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
The Raiders run a D system that ruins safeties. The only safeties that have had success in Oakland have been Lott, Woodson, and Eric Turner, 2 HOF and a regular ProBowler that had his carreer cut short due to disease. Its a longshot for any rookie, or anybody developed by the Raiders to have success in this system…
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I seem to recall a few more names at safety for the Silver and Black who did pretty darn well back in the day. Maybe b4 your time…
Its true Oakland does things differntly. Oaklands D is built backwards if you will with an emphasis on DBs over the front 4. Opposite of most everyone else.
Would say the system ruins safeties I just think we drafted and aquired poorly for a long stretch there.
Derrick Gibson comes to mind…
What used to be a weakness in recent years now seems like a strength though with Huff, Mitchell and Branch.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Boller aint winning you any games. Brennan might go out there and pull a kurt warner or something.
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Brennan can throw and tends to make things happen. Never know. I’m not sure if he can master an NFL system after June Jones spread Offense.
Hope we get to see. I read Brennan’s ear marked for the practice squad. Never know…
August 27th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Macho Man- Don’t forget about Eddie Anderson. Wasn’t a great cover guy, but he CRUSHED so many WR’s and was great support in the run game & a sure tackler. But he goes back to the 90’s. Maybe you were talking more recent. I loved Eddie A though!
August 27th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
# Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Boller aint winning you any games. Brennan might go out there and pull a kurt warner or something.
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As I’ve heard, that’s very true. There are players that just know how to win. hey may not be conventional, but they find a way, when they need, to pull it out & win.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
I thought Huff played pretty well last year. I really have no opinion about moving him to CB. Those moves usually go the other way round.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Try Cheating Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Priest, we are not talking about other countries. In the U.S., screwing a 15 year old is statutory rape!
…………………….not if she is in a coma……
August 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
winston99 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Nhamdi I read the link on Huff. I know he made some plays last year but I don’t remember any big hits, let alone “kill shots” that it said he had. Anyone ever see Huff make a big hit? Mitchell will bring THAT at least. Just don’t know about coverage.
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He rocked some bishes last year against KC and had a couple more big hits but this is the one everyone remembers best from last year.
Take that Marshall!!!
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/2009/09000d5d8152222b_gallery_600.jpg
August 27th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
THis might sound a little hard to believe but if Boller shows off again vs the Niners I think Grads is in trouble because of the money and the injury problems. I think Hue Jackson favors Boller and this Brennan kid may be more intriguing than many think.
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Dude Boller makes sense IF Hue likes him. Just cause Boller played on the team with him doesn’t mean Hue is sold on the kid as a QB. Seesm like he runs hot and cold and throws the occasional flyer. Accuracys always been a problem but he’s got a gun and Davis likes that.
Grads may be a little to fragile and like Ekejuiba that big pay check (not HUGE think its $1.8 mill) might see him cut but I doubt it. He’s familiar with the org and won behind a patch work O line last year.
Should carry some weight. Glad we’ve got a couple to choose from though…
August 27th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Late dinner! Peace owt Nation and Crush the Whiners!!!
August 27th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
I remember the Eddie Anderson years. I mostly remember Eddie as a good safety, with the drawnacks of being pretty slow for the position and stiff at the hips. Good hitter if he could square you up, but the D had trouble with the big backs then just like today.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Roger Bird and Dave Grayson were pretty good Raider Safeties, youngsters.
August 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
THis might sound a little hard to believe but if Boller shows off again vs the Niners I think Grads is in trouble because of the money and the injury problems. I think Hue Jackson favors Boller and this Brennan kid may be more intriguing than many think.
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Yo Nam, I ripped that from Preist quote…was agreeing with his thoughts on brennan and boller…
August 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
MMRS,
That single high safety Al prefers is tough on a free safety, for sure. Lot of responsibility and lots of ground to cover. When a RB has a free run like Forte did, you are in a predictament.
I would add a couple more who have succeeded to your list. Eddie “The Hitman” Anderson had a nice run at FS. And Albert Lewis, the converted KC Corner, also.
Eric Turner. What a tragic loss. Gone too young. Helluva player. Broke James Brooks facemask as a rookie. Knack for manking game saving int’s as a Raider. Wanted to be a RAIDER. Reportedly went to Al at probowl and told him Come and get me. Unlike that ingrate fatazz, blowhard Sapp.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Vann McElroy’s another.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
It doesn’t ruin safeties it test your ability to play the position the way the position was design to be played. Ed Reed plays the same way, you have to be instinctive and anticipate. If you can’t do that you wont make plays. The single high safety is the line of defense nothing should get past him everything should happen in front of him giving him the advantage to make plays. Tatum was great at it made a ton of plays, if you study film and you know the opposition the QB will lead you to the play a high % of the time. Very few QB’s are talented enough to look you off and move you if you do your homework.
Huff showed last year that he started to get a feel for it watching other safeties play it. You can still call for cover2 3 or 0 if you want but the base is single high. Last year we mixed it up really well Huff even blitzed on some occasions. So you really have to understand the concept more than anything.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Saint vs. Chargers on NBC – starting NOW!
August 27th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Watching Jets-Redskins. Haynesworth is a stud, even though he’s allegedly out of shape and most certainly a pain in the a**.
Takes plays off, though. Sometimes he just stands up and plays pattycake with the guy blocking him, and you know if he wanted to he could just blow the guy up. The Rat must LOVE that…
August 27th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
# KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Roger Bird and Dave Grayson were pretty good Raider Safeties, youngsters.
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I was there and saw them play. In their day, they were very good.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
KoolKell,
Grayson was a corner. Made the all-time AFL team at that position.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
Edward Teach Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
KoolKell,
Grayson was a corner. Made the all-time AFL team at that position.
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Dave Grayson was a Free Safety, ok?
August 27th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
I vaguely remember Vann Mcelroy, I was too young. Albert Lewis? Yup, got me on that one, yet another example of seasoned vets taking on the role sucessfully…yet to see a young FS play lights out for us.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Kell,
I’ve been watching the Raiders as long or longer than you have. Look it up if you don’t believe me. Both he and Willie Brown are the AFL’s all-time team cornerbacks.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Dave Grayson
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrayDa00.htm
August 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Vann McElroy was an outstanding FS played the position with reckless abandon made a lot of big plays he was here before L Washington came. That was a pretty good secondary.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
So there we go: Dave Grayson, another converted CB who had success as a veteran safety in Oakland
August 27th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Guess we’re both right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_League_All-Time_Team
August 27th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
First assessment on Charger’s 1st series of downs – 82 yds = TD. Rivers is looking sharp. Sproules is Sproules, this new RB Mathews looks like a young LT. They moved the ball very easily against the Saint’s D. Better than what I thought they’d look like.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Like a lot guy’s when he got older he switched to FS.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Anybody see Sir Charles (Woodson) last night? He was all over the place – a real force. Too bad we let him get away. Imagine a backfield of Woodson, Asomugha, Branch & Huff/Mitchell? I’d be happy with that grouping.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Maybe some of you guys can’t get the games you want to watch and are wondering how to access them…
Veetle.com streams NFL games in HD and the picture is incredible. I think it was Florida Pete that pointed it out awhile back. They’re streaming Saints-Chargers right now…
August 27th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Vann went on to Seattle I believe.
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# priesttj Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Vann McElroy was an outstanding FS played the position with reckless abandon made a lot of big plays he was here before L Washington came. That was a pretty good secondary.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Those old KC Chiefs were badazzes.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Charles Woodson is a first-ballot Hall of Famer, even if he was a Raider first (that counts against you, ask Cliff Branch and Tom Flores, among others).
Anything else would be a travesty.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Teach
Thanks for the Veetle link. I’m going on vacation and am taking my iPad. I doesn’t work on the ATDHE.net link because that site requires flash and Mac products no longer support Flash. So, your tip is very timely & appreciated.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
VAN McELROY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELL YA! Loved his crazy azz back there! That#26 would be a great throwback jersey to have. It’d take a REAL Raider fan to know who that is! I hate that we don’t have the intimidating safety back there anymore to scare receivers accross the middle. A great trademark/tradition I want back!
August 27th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Kell,
Yep. Their defense was fearsome. Remember Buck Buchanan and Curly Culp? Pretty sure Daryle Lamonica does
August 27th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
My pleasure, JB. Hope it enhances your vacation (and you don’t get into trouble for watching too much football).
August 27th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Willie Lanier
Bobby Bell
Aaron Browm
Mike Garret
Otis Taylor
Len Dawson
*Hank Stram
Jan Stenerud
They were tough!!!!!!
August 27th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Kell,
Ever hear of the book “The Other League”? Incredible pictorial and essay history of the AFL.
Worth a look for anybody as old as we are (and for the youngsters that want to know more about it). Some really great history…
August 27th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
No, never heard of that one. I’ve got Slick, and Black Knight though.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
KK
Add Willie Lanier and Derrick Thomas to that list. Dominating LB’ers in the truest sense.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Jim Nance with the Boston Patriots was a load, too.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Greatest perennial match-ups back in the early days:
• Raiders vs. Chiefs
• Raiders vs. Steelers
• Raiders vs. Dolphins
The Chargers and Broncos were never a big challenge.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Jerry Mays, Ed Budde, the list goes on.
I don’t know how tough he was, but Elmo Wright sure was fun to watch (as long as he wasn’t playing us, of course).
August 27th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
I always respected the Chiefs and Steelers.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
My first season tickets were in 1965 (I think). Sect. 315 row 4 seats 5 & 6. A fans, we were fortunate enough to have seen the real early Raiders play. Things were different then.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
The Marsalais vs Biletnkoff match-ups
August 27th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Colisuem opened for the 66′ season. We were in sec 109, baby!
August 27th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Remember the radio promo before the Sea of Hands game? Dolphins fans used to wave white hankies at all their home games (sad, but true), and somebody at KNBR(?) decided it would be a good idea for Raider fans to wear the same pair of black socks all week and then come to the stadium with them and wave them at the Dolphins.
Still the best ever in my mind.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Correction: Then it must have been 66 or 67 when we started. All I remember was Lamonica was still the QB.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Sea of hands – Great game. Second only to the Heidi Bowl.:-)
August 27th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
I remember going to the games at Frank Youell field. The players used the main bathrooms for their halftime locker room. I remember standing next to Ernie Ladd outside that bathroom one Sunday at halftime.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
I was at the Heidi Game. Charlie Smith is a friend of mine. Yeah……..
August 27th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
You got me beat on that one KK. Never made it to Youell Field.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
the 69 chiefs would have beat the 69 vikes 10 out of 10
August 27th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
dis chargers look like last years version…
R matthews is an upgrade to the run game….
August 27th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
We couldn’t afford season tickets when I was a kid, and you guys know how hard it was to get in, anyway. My mom worked for a company down by Lake Merrit, though, and her office had them so we used to get to go once in awhile. Most fun game I ever went to was the Monday night game against the Jets. Beat Joe Willie up pretty good and Hubbard set the single season rushing record. Sat in the middle of a bunch of crazy people and missed school the next day because my voice was gone from yelling so much. Good times.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
76 Raider…GOAT….
August 27th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
where do you think alva d. developed his long passing?the afl…the afl was the best
August 27th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Forced to listen to Dan Dierdorf, (or as the late great Jim Healy would say: “The Dorkster”) is painful. CBS needs to put that clown out to pasture..
Saints, and Dolts are looking pretty sharp. Dolts O-line are giving that punk ass Rivers all day to throw.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
i respected the chiefs then not now.i hated the steelers then,but i have a bit of respect for them now.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Forced to listen to Dan Dierdorf, (or as the late great Jim Healy would say: “The Dorkster”) is painful. CBS needs to put that clown out to pasture..
Saints, and Dolts are looking pretty sharp. Dolts O-line are giving that punk ass Rivers all day to throw.
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Agree 1 million percent dierdorf is an idiot…
August 27th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
I hated the steelers…The immaculent reception….
August 27th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
the hell with kc,denver,&sd….
August 27th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Dombrowski is moving on every play at LT, refs arent calling anthing, just letting them play…
August 27th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
i live 60 miles from pittsburgh….i put up with steeler bs all the time.i always say my favorite raider-steeler moment was atkinson knocking out that puke lynn swann with a great forearm shiver
August 27th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
# Thec07 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
I hated the steelers…The immaculete reception….
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We’ve had our share of Bummers like the Steeler’s immaculate reception, the Pat’s no fumble ruling, etc. but we’ve also had our share of unusual plays, Sea of Hands, Heidi 2X scores 1:05 left, The Charger Holy Roller game, to mention a few.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
the pats no fumble?the tuck rule,etc?don’t compare that with any of our “unusual” plays.the tuck rule was the biggest ripoff in nfl history….
August 27th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
I think when we finally got by KC, the Chiefs were driving, Len Dawson scrambled for a 1st down with minutes remaining that would have closed the game.
Len Dawson slid, was clearly down. Then comes Ben Davidson, who speared Dawson while he was down. Clearly a cheap shot penalty.
But Otis Taylor attacked Big Ben, the Ref threw a flag against Taylor, nullified the 1st down, Raiders come back and win.
So, it goes both ways.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
when gruden was doing a monday night game and that moron walt coleman was the ref,gruden said “does he have any idea what is going on” to describe colemans officiating.he still hates him.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
it was offsetting penalties in the kc game..everybody knows that.otis taylor screwed up.you can’t be a raider lifer if you don’t get bitter about the tuck rule
August 27th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
sounds like a closet kc fan
August 27th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
My take on the Tuck Game is this:
“The Patriots” were wearing Red, White & Blue right after the 9/11 attack.
That’s the most bitter one for me. The Immaculate Deception hurt too. Horrible.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
My take on the Tuck Game is this:
“The Patriots” were wearing Red, White & Blue right after the 9/11 attack.
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Totally agree…
August 27th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
“The Patriots” were wearing Red, White & Blue right after the 9/11 attack.
Against the so-called Bad Guys.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
# LhayeS37 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
the pats no fumble?the tuck rule,etc?don’t compare that with any of our “unusual” plays.the tuck rule was the biggest ripoff in nfl history….
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Couldn’t remember the correct verbiage. The Tuck rule was what I was thinking. It WAS a BIG ripoff. The biggest? I’d put it right up there with the immaculate reception.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Sam Ryan sure is easy on the eyes…
August 27th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Sam Ryan sure is easy on the eyes…
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Man, small waist and nice set of hips….
August 27th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Manning/Rodgers last nite, Drew Brees today. Great QB’s who’ve mastered a system they’ve been in awhile.
Isn’t it obvious you can’t change systems every year?
August 27th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
JB Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
# LhayeS37 Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
the pats no fumble?the tuck rule,etc?don’t compare that with any of our “unusual” plays.the tuck rule was the biggest ripoff in nfl history….
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Couldn’t remember the correct verbiage. The Tuck rule was what I was thinking. It WAS a BIG ripoff. The biggest? I’d put it right up there with the immaculate reception.
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Both jobbed us out of SB’s… Both equally P!ss me off
August 27th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Manning/Rodgers last nite, Drew Brees today. Great QB’s who’ve mastered a system they’ve been in awhile.
Isn’t it obvious you can’t change systems every year?
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thats been one of our biggest down falls…
August 27th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Isn’t it obvious you can’t change systems every year?
Particularly with a guy like JaMarcus Russell.
August 27th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
I will give a guy who is stand up, works hard, is a leader of men…JRUSS gets no pass he is a dope head…
August 27th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
That’s my biggest problem with Big Al is way he will fire a coach before the coach can get his players used to his system. He was way to impatient with Norv Turner he just didn’t like him. And that IMO is what sent things on a long circuitous route to where we are right now. He should’ve given that coach more of a chance to succeed. The rest were bad hires Art Shell and Kiffin but we finally got a guy he can work with.
Callahan just isn’t a HC……………period
August 27th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Thec,
I call Dierdorf “Sgt Schultz” from Hogan’s Heroes. The old sitcom.”Hoooogaaaan…I know nutzing, I see nutzing.”
Agree with you guys 100% on tuck rule. My buddy said the same thing that night. Well..it must be a “patriotic” year. All the way through the SB, actually. They mugged the Rams.
Good night, fellas.
August 27th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
The guy made me really sick outside of Randy Moss was Lamont Jordan. Man what a drama queen!!
August 27th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Thec,
I call Dierdorf “Sgt Schultz” from Hogan’s Heroes. The old sitcom.”Hoooogaaaan…I know nutzing, I see nutzing.”
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HAHAHAHA That brings back memories..Allways wondered though why they never just escaped…they made the germans look like idiots..
August 27th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Lamont Jordan – always looked good coming off the bus but that was it. He didn’t accomplish much after he left here. Maybe we knew something & that’s why we let him go.
August 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
JB
What an ego that fool had, he had talent but he never was in shape and thought the world of himself. When Fargas beat him out he thought the Raiders had losttheir minds. Every other play he’s tapping out it made me sick.
August 27th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
He thought the team owed him a living. The world is full of people like that.
August 27th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Colston #12 reminds me of Schilens. Both 7th round picks, both with same physical attributes, both with great hands, unfortunately our guy has a propensity for injury. That’s too bad as he could have done what Colston’s done if he’d only been healthy enough to play.
August 27th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
This new rule of snapping the ball before the umpire is ready is crap. I’ll beat enough pressure will be applied to rescind the rule. Put the official back where they were originally. Give them some pads & tell them to be careful & tough it out. Playing where they now have them will impede to offenses. More offensive holding calls, fewer off sides by the defenses due to quick snaps, more challenges & the offenses won’t have an official out there for their receivers to pick off of.
August 27th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Time to go hang in the gaslamp qtr…ltr NATION…
August 27th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Chaz is really talented but man he is more brittle than anyone I can ever remember. I’m glad we got Murphy and this kid JFord I think is going to make us forget a few people.
This kid for NO Chris Ivory is something else.
August 27th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Gotta run for now. Good discussions & memories guys.
August 27th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
How about Jimmy Johnson participating in this year’s Survivor? I guess he needs some attention & abuse. More power to him, I guess.
Now I really do have to go.
August 27th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Adios Brotha!
August 27th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Does anyone know a good website to view the game tomorrow night live?
August 27th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
# Roch R Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Does anyone know a good website to view the game tomorrow night live?
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i watched last week on justin.tv.com
August 27th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Player pics from tonights Raider Nation Celebration
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
August 27th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Congrats to all those on the East Coast who at this time have officially earned the right to say, “Game Day!”…!
August 27th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
JB Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Colston #12 reminds me of Schilens. Both 7th round picks, both with same physical attributes, both with great hands, unfortunately our guy has a propensity for injury. That’s too bad as he could have done what Colston’s done if he’d only been healthy enough to play.
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I wouldn’t say Chaz could do what Colston has done if he was healthy. Colston has been a beast, proven…Chaz has showed flashes of being good, but i don’t know about pro bowl good. I think outside of them both being 7th rd picks, they don’t really compare…That’s just my opinion. I’ve seen colston makes some amazing catches in his young career. I’m not a chaz hater either. I like him. He’s above average.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
I agree with you Mike. Chaz is faster, and Colston is bigger (he was a TE at college).
Go Aztecs.
Make us proud Chaz! We can’t beat BYU but we have more players in the NFL!
August 27th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
It has to be coaching and lack of superior talent.
We need you to be our coach M Faulk!! You can do it!!!
August 27th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Al likes drafting players from SDSU.
August 27th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Looks like I missed a lot of good conversation about the good old days.Very nice reading about those days,but I must say-KoolKell,I also respected the Chiefs in those days,but I didn’t and couldn’t respect the Stealers.Still won’t and can’t.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
lefty u ready for 2morrows 9er azz whippin. btw i love the old raider conversations u ol schoolers have. makes me respect what this organization has accomplished throughout the years. cant wait to actually see those times again. alot of younger fans cant relate so they talk all this al davis bullsh!t cuz they havent experienced what alot of u have.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
For those who don’t know,in those days when we played the Stealers it was war-we hated them,they hated us.After we physically beat them one year,their HC chuckie noll complained about the ‘criminal element’ on our team-G.Atkinson and the one and only Jack Tatum,while at the same time they were no goodie 2 shoes.Since then,IMO,they have received more than their fair share of calls and we have constantly got the short end of many calls.Hence,I cannot ever respect the Stealers.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
While I want to totally kick their a$$ tomorrow,I’d rather humiliate them during the regular season.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Pito
August 27th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
They call us the villains of the nfl. Mf Doom
August 27th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Lefty, we all have the History of the Raiders DVD.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Lefty, Raiders and Steelers rivalry ended by the late ’70s. Only the fans recognize it today. Players don’t care. And they didn’t care 30 years ago. And, it was Swann and Knoll who were the key forces behind the conspiracy to criminalize the way the Raiders played football. No way the likes of Jack Lambert and Joe Greene were down with such cowardice.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
you guys bore me. Goodnight. don’t bother responding.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
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August 27th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Lefty, we all have the History of the Raiders DVD.
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True RAIDER fan.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Richochet Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Anyone STILL think we shouldn’t have picked up T.O.?
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what up richochet? miss arguing with ya bro.
so your actually a raiders fan thought you were a niners fan this whole tome till now.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
you guys bore me. Goodnight. don’t bother responding.
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How bout you respond to my questions? What, ya don’t have any answers?
August 28th, 2010 at 1:04 am
Pitos
August 28th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Well, it is time for Bruce to put up, or for me to shut up, lol.
Never been so excited to watch a 3rd quarter of a preseason game before in my life.
August 28th, 2010 at 9:01 am
I’m watching Miami vs ATL, and I don’t see Groves playing with the 1st unit. We should trade for him.
Trade for J Grove!
August 28th, 2010 at 9:16 am
# Raider O Says:
August 28th, 2010 at 9:01 am
I’m watching Miami vs ATL, and I don’t see Groves playing with the 1st unit. We should trade for him.
Trade for J Grove!
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Announcers mentioned him first drive. Said he is in a battle but has come on strong as of late and would start the game. Don’t know how long he played.
August 28th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Jake Grove was dealt to Miami for a fourth round pick because he was injury-prone and wasn’t getting the job done in Oakland. All he’s done in Miami is continue to be injury-prone and lose his starting job.
Yeah, by all means, let’s go get him. Yeesh.
August 28th, 2010 at 9:30 am
We don’t need a C. We heave Veldheer!
August 28th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Thx 75. I missed that part.
August 28th, 2010 at 9:37 am
-Grove wasn’t traded! He was a FA who signed with Miami.
-We traded a 6th RD for Satele because he couldn’t block strong NTs, and he was injured.
You People!! YEESH!!
August 28th, 2010 at 9:42 am
J,
LT: Mario
LG: Gallery
C: Satele/ Veldheer
RG: Walker
RT: Barns/ Campbell
I would still sign Grove if he was cut, keep Satele, and cut Morris.
August 28th, 2010 at 9:43 am
I usually root for whatever team is playing against the 49ers. This year,as much as I hate them, I’ll be rooting for the 9ers to beat KC, Den, SD, and TB.
August 28th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Who is starting at C today?
August 28th, 2010 at 9:48 am
RRRRRRAAAAAAAAIIIIIDDDDDEEEEERRRRRSSSS!!!!!!
August 28th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Raider O,
You’re right about Grove signing with Miami as a free agent, which means that Al thought so much of him that he let the former second round pick walk away with no replacement on the roster. I’m right about him being injury-prone and losing his starting job with the Dolphins.
He hasn’t played more than 12 games in a season since 2006, which is the only time in his career that he’s played a full year. He has only started 24 games in the past three years. He injured his shoulder LAST NIGHT and had to have xrays taken on it.
Still want him?
August 28th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Q: Did you need to boost his confidence?
Jackson: No. I don’t think I need to build up any football player’s confidence. What it is is going to work. It’s rolling up your sleeves every day and going out to work to improve your skill level. That’s what the young man has done. Obviously he needs to go do it in a game. I think he will. I’m looking forward to watching him play this weekend.
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I disagree with Jackson on this one. I think DHB does need a boost in confidence. It seems to me that just showing up and playing isn’t getting it done. Unfortunately, I don’t know if there is any way for the OC to boost his confidence. Confidence is built of success.
August 28th, 2010 at 10:07 am
well he isn’t going to say yeah he needs more confidence, that doesn’t help him
August 28th, 2010 at 10:08 am
425. what does pitos mean?
August 28th, 2010 at 10:09 am
is the game close to selling out?
August 28th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
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