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  • Hobs Gnarly

    does anyone have a link to the replay stream? it comes on here at 5 am in uk.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Let’s hope Al Davis and his ego and drama stay out of Hue Jackson’s way this year.

  • JB

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Hobs, your little soft spot for Al, along with the rest of the kool aid drinkers who think he’s going to change every year, are the reason he’s still here and still ruins this team. If you guys would get a backbone and stop forking your money over to this guy, and if Raider fans nationwide vowed not to give him a dime if he moved to their city as long as he’s still involved with football operations, he’d retire. He’d have no choice. But fans like you with all of this, “he’s made mistakes, but he’s won 3 super bowls, and he’s going to bring us back, he just needs to stop meddling, so stop hating on him”, blah blah blah, just enable him.
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    I can tell RMR that you are not a dummy. So your obsesion is one of two things. Either you want to just tweek the faithful for your own entertainment or you just don’t get AD.

    First AD is not going to retire because he’s got nothing else to do; he enjoys what he’s doing; he thinks or knows he’s making positive contributions to the team; he’s got a financially attractive “lifetime” non revocable contract to control Raider operations; and, he wants to win 1 or more SB’s before he checks out. You are naive if you think Raider financials depend on fan attendance. They make more on TV contracts or Raider NFL logo products than any attendance funds received could generate. Besides, he’s a minority owner and he gets his bucks from his AD Football Inc. management contract. As far as fans enabling him, you’ve got to be kidding. Do you think he gives a real rats a$$ what fans think? Not really. He may listen to some of the fan chatter but he’s marching to his own drummer. So we all will just have to deal with the fact that AD will be in charge of the Raiders until HE decides he no longer wants to do that. Will that day ever come? I doubt it.

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    MR, I’ve been up and down with this team since 1964, stuck it through, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, i’m in, you?

  • http://raidersfans.net Just Win

    Now that the Raiders appear to have turned a corner the Davis haters have gone from being sad and pathetic to being sad, weird and pathetic.

  • Hobs Gnarly

    any bets if jv gets his butt handed to him we have kevin in here for a try out monday?

  • Hobs Gnarly

    wow, dude i am on board with this season and it’s not davis who has this team…al may own the team and run things outta fear of being turned to stone but cable is the reason this guys are jelling.

  • Hobs Gnarly

    count me a raider fan since as long as i can remember and i’m 42.

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    # Hobs Gnarly Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    does anyone have a link to the replay stream? it comes on here at 5 am in uk.
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    Adthe.net

  • JB

    # KoolKell Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Had it not been for AD, there would have been no Raiders or AFC. He’s earned the slack that I’m cutting him.
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    Are you sure about that, JB? The Movers & Shakers behind the scenes were Ralph Wilson and Lamar Hunt.
    ***********************

    Yes, but AD was the one primary individual who forced the NFL to enter into a merger. Without hat merger it was questionable as to whether the AFL would be able to continue. Remember, if only 1 team failed (Bankrupt) and dropped out, the AFL would not have survived. The merger was the one main event that changed everything.

  • Hobs Gnarly

    you know what i don’t like? it’s people who i think are not “fans” but paid bloggers who spout the company line. propagandists, just like our spokesman johnny h.

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    Good link, 408? Didn’t work last week, had to wait for NFL channel RR’s….Thanks!

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Lamar Hunt and Ralph Wiilson used the ruthless Davis to go after NFL talent. He was hired by them. Then they dumped him in favor of Pete Rozelle.

    The AFC Championship Trophy is called the Lamar Hunt Trophy.

  • http://raidersfans.net Just Win

    # 860Todd Christensen Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    MR, you own your own business, you run it your way, he runs his, his way. He is an NFL Team Owner, you? Then don’t try to tell him how to run HIS team? Just a thought…
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    This is the entire point. It’s a business. And if you don’t like the business, don’t patronize it. But STFU. No one wants to hear your idiocy day in and day out.

  • Hobs Gnarly

    al didn’t want a merger, he wanted a takeover. the other owners merged behind his back

  • JB

    # Hobs Gnarly Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    any bets if jv gets his butt handed to him we have kevin in here for a try out monday?
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    I have a good feeling about this kid and I think he has an excellent chance to succeed at center & become the starter by the time we show up in Tennessee.

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    Out for now, gotta fire up the BBQ, later nation….

  • Hobs Gnarly

    i am hoping so, kids got some strength to him. a lot to ask for someone switching positions and being a rookie. if he passes, he is going to be good, really good.

  • JB

    # Hobs Gnarly Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    i am hoping so, kids got some strength to him. a lot to ask for someone switching positions and being a rookie. if he passes, he is going to be good, really good.
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    You can print that.

  • Hobs Gnarly

    what if the raiders meet the packers and mr. woodson in the sb. that would be good.

  • lefty12

    KK-if DHB is still playing the way he is today in 3 or 4 years,then you can say is on scholarship.Until then,he is a 1st rd draft pick trying to get acclimated to the NFL.Calling a 2nd year player a scholarship player is totally ridiculous and just shows your bias against him.

  • JB

    hey KK

    Did JaLoser list or sell his Oakland Hills home yet? Maybe he should have just called JCampbell and sold it direct. Would have saved 6% and I’m sure he already took a bath on the property due to the drop in RE values. I saw it via Google Earth. Looked like he put in a new pool. Probably wanted to float while he sipped on his purple drank. What a waste!

  • Hobs Gnarly

    i am interested in how the team looks with grads.

  • Hobs Gnarly

    dhb is a head case, al should hypnotize him.

  • JB

    # Hobs Gnarly Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    what if the raiders meet the packers and mr. woodson in the sb. that would be good.
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    AD should have never let Sir Charles (Woodson) get away. Just imagine a mature Woodson & Asomugha as your starting corners. Then add Branch & Mitchell as the safeties. Kind of reminds me of some of the old GREAT Raider backfields.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Personnel problems and issues

    Davis’ performance since 2003 has been heavily criticized, especially when in the offseason after that year the Raiders declined to re-sign wide receiver Tim Brown, a player nicknamed Mr. Raider and the last player to remain in the franchise since its return eight years before from LA. During his entire fifteen year career with the Raiders, Brown had had a difficult relationship with Davis, perhaps the best example of the owner’s personal problems with players since the Allen saga. In interviews Brown recounted a number of incidents in his personal history with Al Davis, although they cannot be independently confirmed, including:

    Being informed during his 1988 rookie camp, following a 1987 Heisman Trophy winning season at the University of Notre Dame, that Davis apparently does not like black players from ND. Such an assertion, if true, would be considered bizarre since Davis, as general manager, was responsible for picking Brown sixth overall in the season’s draft.[11]

    In 2000 Brown and two former teammates dined in an Atlanta restaurant simultaneously while Davis dined there, although the two parties did not exchange a word there. Although Brown did not call this a cold shouldered snub, he noted that he himself was incapable of bringing himself to speak to his boss. This was after a twelve year career including eight Pro Bowl selections exclusively with the LA/Oakland Raiders.[12]

    In the same interview as above, Brown described the offseason process by which he decided to sign a new Raider contract rather than seek a new team on the open market. In his statements Brown apparently gave the rationale in his decision as being fear that his advanced age would deflate his negotiating power, and therefore he was only sure of a contract with Oakland. As an example he cited a perceived lack of enthusiasm from the Dallas Cowboys front office, where it had been rumored he was heading.[13]

    Despite Brown’s relationship with Davis, he later deflected criticism of the owner as out-of-touch in a 2009 interview for the New Haven Register, stating that he believed Davis is still “quite lucid”.[14]

    Following his release Tim Brown was signed to Gruden’s Buccaneers for his last year, in the wake of which he retired. Davis’s reaction was mum, and the Raiders organization did not call a press conference, as Brown invited reporters to a private one.[15] Following Brown’s departure, the Raiders posted 4-12 record during the 2003 season, and have achieved until 2009 a streak of six seasons with at least eleven losses, an NFL record. Rice was traded four games into the 2004 season to Seattle.

    Since then Davis’s position as general manager has opened him up to extensive criticism for the poor talent on the Raiders’ roster. Since 2004 the franchise has only had a token one player selection to the Pro Bowl each season, three times punter Shane Lechler, and twice defensive end Derrick Burgess, with cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha being selected in 2009.

  • lefty12

    “why don’t you people worry about whats going on,on the field,instead of all the Al Davis drama”.This from someone how constantly complains about AD.

  • Hobs Gnarly

    jb, i hear you. loved woodson, but in the end he was locker room poison for us.

  • vatoloco6992

    Later guys – off to the game!

  • JB

    Hobs Gnarly Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    i am interested in how the team looks with grad
    ***********************

    Unless Grads looks great he could conceivably be on the bubble. I doubt they’d keep him as the #3 QB @ $1.8M when they could keep Colt Brennan @ #3 for pennies on the dollar. Grads other problem come as a result of having two bad wheels (knees) and a newly found propensity for injury.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Once he rejoined the Raiders organization, Davis ruthlessly attempted to gain power within the club. In 1972, while managing general partner Valley was attending the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, Davis drafted a revised partnership agreement that made him the new managing general partner, with near-absolute control over team operations. McGah signed the agreement. Since two of the team’s three general partners had voted in favor of the agreement, it was binding under partnership law of the time. Valley sued to overturn the agreement once he returned to the country, but was unsuccessful. Valley sold his interest in 1976, and no other partners have had any role in running the club since. This was despite the fact that Davis did not acquire a majority interest in the Raiders until 2005, when he bought the shares held by McGah’s family. He now owns approximately 67 percent of the interests in the partnership through his company, A.D. Football, Inc.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    In addition to serving as owner, Davis effectively serves as his own general manager. He has run the Raiders’ football operations since his return in 1966—longer than any football operations chief in the league. He is one of three NFL owners who have the title or powers of general manager, others being the Dallas Cowboys’ Jerry Jones and the Cincinnati Bengals’ Mike Brown. He has long been reckoned as a very hands-on owner, and is believed to have more authority over day-to-day operations than any other owner in the league.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Michael Crabtree, Biletnikoff Award winner (2007, 2008)
    Played his first NFL Game Oct 25….caught 5 passes. 48 for the year, compared to DHB’s measly 9.

  • http://blackhole@aldavisshouldbeonmountrushmore Drexl

    ^^ is out the door, off to the coliseum!

    GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!

  • JB

    KK

    Nice write-up but Tim Brown’s issues noted could have just as easily been Tim Brown initiated problems.

    As a purist, I’m an Oakland Raider fan. With the exceptions of Howie Long & Marcus Allen, I was never a big fan of the LA Raiders. That was my hang-up because I was just pissed that they left their home for LA.

    When you say Tim Brown was Mr. Raider, I’ve never really thought about him that way. to me, the real Raider receivers were the likes of Warren Wells, Cliff ranch, Freddy B, Raymond Chester, Dave Casper, Todd Christensen and alike. Tim was just never on my radar. I think he’s still PO’d because he wasn’t offered a job within the Raider organization. Maybe there’s a reason that none of us know why except for AD & Tim. We can only speculate.

    There’s no doubt that aside from this year, the last 5-6 years of talent acquisition has been less than desirable. AD needs to be responsible for hat because he’s ultimately in-charge. When you are the boss you take the god with the bad. If this year is any indicator, maybe AD has regained his competency. We’ll just have to wait & see. One thing is for SURE. AD’s not going anywhere.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    The Raiders have won their first 2 pre-season games, during a 29-83 stretch, and the Davis fans are out talking about the Greatness of Al Davis. It just makes me gag a bit.

  • JB

    Gotta run guys. Good discussions and enjoyed the Raider history lessons.

  • inonewordraider

    when Woodson was in his contract year he was asked if he wanted to stay a Raider and he said only if they’re the highest bidder and that he had no loyalty to the Raiders, not the kind of guy I want on my team

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Charles Woodson, another Hall of Fame player on the outs with Raider Fans.

  • JB

    # inonewordraider Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    when Woodson was in his contract year he was asked if he wanted to stay a Raider and he said only if they’re the highest bidder and that he had no loyalty to the Raiders, not the kind of guy I want on my team
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    I take that as negotiation talk. Loyalty to the “Organization” is nice but not necessary. What is critical is that you get 110% effort out of a player while they are under your employment. We got that while he was here. At the time, he was the best DB in the NFL and should have expected and received top dollar.

    Marcus Allen was a different story and AD did NOT handle that well. Then again we must also remember that these players are not mere mortals like us and they often act themselves as PrimaDonnas. Freddy B made that point as a coach. He said most of his receivers were pain-in-the a$$e$ but that was to be expected. He went on to say he himself was one of the biggest pains to ever hit the gridiron. It just goes with the territory.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    The Game will be tape-delayed tonite in the Bay Area. channels 36 & 44. One a 49er broadcast, the other the Raiders broadcast.

    If you’re watching the Raider Broadcast team, notice all the sappy glory heaped on Al Davis during the intro.

    Nothing about:

    Jim Otto
    George Blanda
    Art Shell
    Gene Upshaw
    Willie Brown
    Howie Long
    Marcus Allen
    John Madden
    Fred Bilitnikoff
    Dave Casper

  • JB

    KK I agree with you about the butt-kissin’ announcers we now have today. I think you will agree they are certainly no where near the Bil King standards that we all long for.

  • edward teach

    Nobody gets up for the game like KoolKell :)

    Just ribbin’ ya a little, no offense.

  • JB

    I wonder if John Conner, the NY Jet rookie FB know as the Terminator will make their team or not. Richardson, their current FB is a wiley vet who is also a great team leader. Conner appears to be a devastating blocker but has poor hands, so far. I’d love to be able to get Richardson if they cut him. Or, Conners if he doesn’t make the cut.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    “Butt-kissing announcers” You got Tom Flores as a “Butt-Kisser”? Is that why he’s not in the HOF?

    You don’t think the Organization, PR Dept has anything to do with those intros and footqage?

    C’mon, man.

  • http://raidersfans.net Just Win

    # KoolKell Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    The Game will be tape-delayed tonite in the Bay Area. channels 36 & 44. One a 49er broadcast, the other the Raiders broadcast.

    If you’re watching the Raider Broadcast team, notice all the sappy glory heaped on Al Davis during the intro.

    Nothing about:

    Jim Otto
    George Blanda
    Art Shell
    Gene Upshaw
    Willie Brown
    Howie Long
    Marcus Allen
    John Madden
    Fred Bilitnikoff
    Dave Casper
    ==============================================

    In addition to Al Davis, There will also be some sappy stuff about Jason Campbell, Heyward-Bey, Darren McFadden et al. Last time I looked, none of the guys you have on your list are at all associated with the Raiders.

  • http://raidersfans.net Just Win

    # JB Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    I wonder if John Conner, the NY Jet rookie FB know as the Terminator will make their team or not. Richardson, their current FB is a wiley vet who is also a great team leader. Conner appears to be a devastating blocker but has poor hands, so far. I’d love to be able to get Richardson if they cut him. Or, Conners if he doesn’t make the cut.
    ================================================

    The FB position on the Raiders has to catch the ball, not just be a lead blocker.

  • JB

    # KoolKell Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    “Butt-kissing announcers” You got Tom Flores as a “Butt-Kisser”? Is that why he’s not in the HOF?

    You don’t think the Organization, PR Dept has anything to do with those intros and footqage?

    C’mon, man.
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    No argument, you are right. I’m watching another game while I’m typing so sometimes I get distracted and don’t provide a total response. Mea Culpa (or however its spelled).

  • JB

    # Just Win Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    # JB Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    I wonder if John Conner, the NY Jet rookie FB know as the Terminator will make their team or not. Richardson, their current FB is a wiley vet who is also a great team leader. Conner appears to be a devastating blocker but has poor hands, so far. I’d love to be able to get Richardson if they cut him. Or, Conners if he doesn’t make the cut.
    ================================================

    The FB position on the Raiders has to catch the ball, not just be a lead blocker.
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    First things first JW. We need a blocker first to enhance our running game. I didn’t say he couldn’t catch, just that he hasn’t demonstrated the hands that Richardson has. I suspect that Richardson will be released. If so, we need to grab him up. He’d do very well in our system. We’ve got DMac who can line up as FB with Bush, if necessary, for swing passes. Either Richardson or Connor would be a big upgrade for us.

  • fat kidd

    little league world series pearl harbor vs japan championship game tomorrow.