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Asomugha not into making comparisons

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, September 17th, 2010 at 8:18 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Nnamdi Asomugha was surprised to learn Friday the Raiders would not be televised locally in their home opener.

“People are probably thinking, you’re playing the Rams, and this is not the Patriots,” Asomugha said. “I don’t understand it. I know the fans want more from us. And we’d like to see that place sold out. It’s tough. It’s tough on both of us.”

Asomugha, along with place kicker Sebastian Janikowski and punter Shane Lechler, are the only players who could possibly understand. They’ve been around for the entire seven-year death spiral. Asomugha, in fact, arrived in 2003 _ the year it started with a 4-12 season under Bill Callahan.

Based on what you see in comments on this blog as well as other forums, the biggest problem Raiders fans have is the fact that so many of them allow themselves a sense of optimism going into the season, only to have it dashed.

And unlike last year’s 24-20 loss to San Diego, when players and fans could point to the Louis Murphy call and believe their team outplayed the Chargers, they had another one of those even-year splatter jobs like a bug on I-5 windshield.

San Diego in 2006 . . . Denver in 2008 . . . Tennessee in 2010. Granted, Tennessee was different in that it was on the road, but it had that same way-over-by-halftime feel to it. The worst part about those two games is they helped define the season to come. Art Shell’s team gave up 72 sacks and went 2-14. Lane Kiffin got serious about getting himself fired by implying running the defense and lasted only a quarter of the season.

It was suggested to Asomugha that a lot of people feared this team, like those teams, was headed down the same road.

“We’re a different team. When you go through as many seasons as its been, you have to be careful that you don’t lump the seasons in together,” Asomugha said. “You would be doing a disservice to this present team by grouping them in with past teams. And I think that’s the thing that’s going to put us over the hump from what has gone on in the past.

“It’s definitely a more confident team and a more resilient team, so that’s why we’re not as worried about it as much.”

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341 Responses to “Asomugha not into making comparisons”

  1. GG Says:

    1st

  2. GG Says:

    Jerry, any chance you could grill Cable on his OL?
    Why people are being played out of their natural positions.
    Eg, Campbell is a certified Tackle, that’s where his abilities and talents lie. Why then thru camp is he being trained/asked to learn the interior like a fish out of water, instead of being planted on the Tackle depth chart and honing his skill there.
    If he says stuff like to help the team, versatility, then throw at him that but it doesnt help HIM does it. He gets sporadic snaps or inactive list, struggling with interior line play, but it shoots his confidence and doesnt give him snaps where his talents lie. etc.

    And go thru the list of former Tackles playing Guard/Center and Guards playing Tackle etc. And as him why a HC with expertise in OL, has such an unstable OL, full of mediocre talent, and/or played out of position that ends up making the collective line play so weak.

    I mean GRILL him. Of course you can toe the amicable non-hostile route, but the constant questioning to pry answers from him needs to happen.

  3. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Ok Nnamdi

  4. aig-raiders Says:

    fine Nnamdi. I’ll try to be optimistic this weekend.

  5. Nnamdi21 Says:

    How the ole ankle Jerry? Healed up I hope. Mine took for evah…

    Someone said to me “Well its just one game!” and I said…”And seven years.”

    Like Jerry said, thats alot of dahsed hopes.

    I think alot of people, Vic Carucci Rod Woodsen and pro broadcasters some of which I actually respect thought the Raiders may have turned a corner.

    They have so much talent you figure its got to break right at SOME point right?

    Really no reason why it shouldn’t and thats the dam-nable thing of it.

    Thats why the Titans loss jilted so many die hards.

    .

  6. Nnamdi21 Says:

    4. It ain’t easy.

    Can’t can’t take a drubbing by the Rams for gawd sakes…

    Just f’in couldn’t…

  7. Nnamdi21 Says:

    These next two games need to be won.

    St. Louis and Arizona are teams that we should be able to compete with and beat.

    Then comes Houston and though we played them well and I think even won (We crushed Andre Johnson) but they have a ground game too it looks liek this year.

    Roid nuts will still be suspended too me thinks.

    His whole “My work out was so intense it made it SEEM like I was on drugs” defense was pathetic.

    Its not a lie if they buy it.

    No sale freakazoid.

    Wonder if he’ll merit an award now he’s off the juice or if he’ll sink into a Merriman like funk after getting off the junk?

    Anyway, what I was saying, Must win these 2 coming games cuz Houstons gonna be tough, then we have the Chargers who faultered, but sometimes play like crap at the before they get rolling.

    Need to win these two games. Need to beat St. Louis and The House of Cards.

  8. xastrocreepx Says:

    expect the worst, hope for the best.

  9. janthony6 Says:

    Raiders are too stupid to be a winner…..ever. The best QB on the team is Bruce Gradkowski – he has the fire to win – throws with more zip on the ball, better accuracy, and is always looking downfield.

    Campbell is a career loser that has accumulated his stats by checking the ball down to RBs or WRs on screen passes. He is a terrible QB. If JaMarcus Russell had half a brain, that 1st round draft status could have had him playing today just like Campbell. LOL They aren’t much different….Campbell is a punk, square loser that never takes the blame for his poor decisions, inability to read an offense, inability to throw accurately to the sidelines, and lack of decent footwork in the pocket.

    Notice when Campbell throws, he sits…it’s almost like he’s always trying to throw off his back foot. Just like Jamarcus, he stands there with a dumb ass look on his face.

    But Al Davis thinks he’s Plunket because he thinks history repeats itself….well…the majority of the Raiders history is stupid decisions. Thankfully, the NFL has made rules to stop stupid decisions from paying off….they made the NFL a thinking mans game. The Raiders, Al Davis philosophy, is to play like idiots and make stupid decisions regarding personnel.

    Raiders won’t win more than 2 games this year with Campbell at QB. He is terrible with or without an OLINE. It should be obvious that when Bruce steps in, the OLINE looks better and the WRs get involved.

  10. Kirk Says:

    Until we get a quarterback and a left tackle, we will continue to s..k.

  11. beach Says:

    Nnamdi is a good talker. Now he needs to go out and make plays on the football field! Get that defense fired up.

  12. dctheraider Says:

    Go Raiders!
    We will be 1-1 after Sunday’s game!
    I Will be In the club having fun!

  13. GG Says:

    I’ll be online watching the game and banging my head against the desk.

  14. MetalRaiders Says:

    The Raiders need to make a statement this Sunday if they want to make people believe they’re a different team this year. They gotta kill the Lambs by 20 points or more.

  15. fat kidd Says:

    Turducken Says:
    September 17th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
    #224

    Hey Fat Kidd,

    Where’d that “Pinto Ron” article come from? As a fellow Polish upstate NYer that has witnessed the Wisniowka-out-of-a-bowling-ball tradition a few times, I want to know how you found that.

    http://www.fanhouse.com

  16. priesttj Says:

    GG no coach in his right mind would let a writer grill him like that. Coaches aren’t obligated to be grilled only to show up.

  17. priesttj Says:

    What in Gradkowski career says he’s a better QB than Campbell other than that’s what your opinion is. Grads has been dumped more often than an ugly girl with bad breath. His career impact was here with this team. That was only in two games.

    People need to five Campbell a season to know what he’s capable of, one game doesn’t make a career. At least Campbell was allowed to start of the same team over most of his career. He also gets more respect for what he’s done than Gradkowski. IMO if he gets more than one year under the same system he could be very good. Maybe even great.

  18. GG Says:

    The media still niggles away prodding coaches for answers to certain things tho. Cable’s been thru it after last week regarding the Veldheer decision and the Titans jumping the snaps on time. Every week media niggles away and re-phrases questions.

    This is a travesty what’s happening. A HC with OL expertise overseeing such a shambles of a unit that is the cornerstone of all offensive play. It’s absolutely inexcusable the patheticness that we’ve seen thru Cable’s HC stint. All those ugly blow-outs, game over at half-time days, were all due to the OL and OL coaching. Teams throw everything at it early, it collapses, we end up 20 pts down at the half, game over, the opposition coasts in rest of the day.

    It’s like we forget the Gannon years, the OL and the passing game. Not just how functional but how great it was. Everyone’s focusing on how we need to establish the run. No, what we need to win is to establish the passing game early. If we cant dare do that because our OL is trash and the coaches know that, it requires a grilling, because that is just unacceptable. This team will NOT get anywhere this season if coaches and players have to dust the OL pass protection under a rug.

  19. art shells clipboard Says:

    Why do the Campbell followers believe we all need to be patient. We have been waiting seven years for a good QB. Gradkowski proved last year he was a winner by beating a couple playoff contenders and should of been handed the job to begin with. He makes things happen on the field. Campbell’s had 5 different coordinators because maybe he’s the problem.

  20. ArmChair GM Says:

    # priesttj Says:
    September 17th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    What in Gradkowski career says he’s a better QB than Campbell other than that’s what your opinion is. Grads has been dumped more often than an ugly girl with bad breath. His career impact was here with this team. That was only in two games.
    ____________________________________________________

    Rich Gannon was released by 3 NFL teams before he came to us. He was released by the Vikings, Redskins, and Chiefs before coming to the Raiders.

    Now before you start ranting about how Gradkowski couldn’t hold Gannon’s jockstrap, I’m not saying all that. I’m not even saying that he’s better than Campbell. But I am saying that he is in the same set of circumstances with us that Gannon was in when he came here. What he needs is an opportunity to show what he can do, just like Gannon needed an opportunity to show what he could do after being cast off from 3 other teams and regarded by many as a failure.

  21. JB Says:

    If the team starts winning, more butts will be in the seats. Until that happens OR when AD announces John Gruden as the new surprise Head Coach, a majority of vacant seats will prevail. The bad economy has no doubt contributed to the erosion of the season ticket holder base. That combined with the JaLoser saga, the ridiculous signings of Walker, Hall, etc., 7 continued losing seasons & poor 1st pick results from Huff, Russell, DMac & DHB have all chased the faithful away.

  22. priesttj Says:

    Well you called Campbell a loser didn’t you,that’s why i asked what in his career suggest he’s better than Campbell. And you pinted to the same two games I pointed to. So if Campbell’s a loser so is Grads.

    I never said Grads was a bad QB, I was defending Campbell. Same difference as you defending Grads.

  23. beach Says:

    JB, let’s hope the winning begins on Sunday. I’m tired of all the useless “we’re a good team” and “we’re ready to fight.” And by the way, Cable knows his job is on the line. He has no margin for error now!

  24. beach Says:

    Priest is right about Campbell, guys. One game, and on his back the entire first half, and some of you are already giving up on him. This is ridiculous! You should be concerned about the offensive, and I mean offensive line!

  25. JB Says:

    Put simply, JCampbell, irrespective of O-line performance or non-performance, needs to step up, take charge of he offense and deliver the results. Granted the O-line was less than stellar last week and did contribute to he breakdown. The game I saw showed JCampbell as very tentative, reserve, non-risk taking, and lacking leadership. He’s a much better QB than what we saw last week. He needs to take charge and get it done no matter what. If he doesn’t step up, Gradkowski will. Cable won’t have a choice. He needs wins and if changing the QB is he solution he’ll make the change. I don’t think it will come to that. JCampbell just needs to be the man. I hoping he understands that and shows us what he can do this week.

  26. priesttj Says:

    Sorry I got posters wrong. It’s just that if someone likes one player in here they feel they have to desparage the other guy. If you prefer Grads I have no problem with that eventhough I don’t agree. No need to call Campbell a loser. But that is the way people reason in here. I prefer Campbell but I like Grads.

  27. priesttj Says:

    I agree JB, he looked unsure of himself and to some degree I can understand that, but I don’t want to see it all year either.

  28. ArmChair GM Says:

    I have not referred to Campbell as a LOSER. Campbell is being maligned for his performance last Sunday, and RIGHTFULLY SO.

    O-line problems notwithstanding, as the leader on the team, he played with absolutely no heart or passion whatsoever. His overall play was piss poor and there’s no way of getting around that.

    We have seen more of Gradkowski than we have of Campbell, so we need to wait and see what Campbell can do.

    However the argument here is about STYLE of play. If we improve our o-line, I’m confident that Campbell will do just fine.

    However, with our o-line the way it is currently constructed, Gradkowski has already proven that he can win games and be successful, at home and ON THE ROAD.

    He proved it last year in Pittsburgh, and he proved it this year in the preseason when he took over when Campbell got hurt.

    So any support for Gradkowski shown here is based on what he has already shown, as opposed to Campbell who we are still playing the wait and see game. Period.

  29. GG Says:

    The truth is both Grads and Campbell are good (not great) QBs. But it doesnt matter which is under Center. The only important thing is OL. A good OL and either Grads/Campbell would play much better. If we had a good OL, in fact, then it would be more appropriate to compare Grads and Campbell’s QB play itself, who is better, more of a leader, makes good reads or not, etc. But with this OL we have, we just cannot properly judge any of our QBs. They are getting killed out there.

    Why the hot-seat and all RaiderNation anger should be directed at Mr.Cable.

  30. lefty12 Says:

    Unless he gets injured,Campbell will be the starting QB.Lets hope he shows week after week that he deserves what has been given to him.

  31. JB Says:

    Gradkowski just seems to be able to cope with a crappy O-Line and make roll outs and adjustments to get the play completed. JCampbell needs to be able to cope in the same fashion. He may need to take a few more risks or wait another second before making the toss. We all know he’s mbile, he just needs to understand that with this line he may have to get on his bike a bit more than usual. That is of course if Hue Jackson will allow him to do so. We don’t know but it’s also possible that Jackson has too tight a reign on JCampbell when it comes to risk and ball security. Only those two really know the answer to that. All I know is that it’s time to start winning consistently. Let’s get it done!

  32. lefty12 Says:

    I don’t believe the Oline is as bad as it looked last week,just as I don’t believe the whole team is as bad as it looked last week,but they have to show it on the field,which,btw,I believe they will do this week.

  33. GG Says:

    Gradkowski has certain strengths talents that Campbell doesnt, and Campbell has certain strengths talents that Gradkowski doesnt. Neither is a complete QB.

    The crappy OL play should dictate who the starter is (grads is more agile and seems to cope with it better). Maybe he does a little, but that OL got him killed last season, both knees, remember. And it got Frye killed too. It also got Campbell killed in pre-season and near did against the Titans.

    We cant roll with 2-3 QBs on our depth chart like Colts can do. We’d need a roster of 10 QBs. Survivor Series.

    The answer is and always shall be….OL talent and coaching. Cable’s butt firmly on the hot-seat.

  34. GG Says:

    *shouldn’t dictate ^^

  35. JB Says:

    Lefty, that belief is called hope springs eternal. I hope you are right – most of us n here do. It’s just this groundhog day scenario is getting real old.

    Like they say, a broken watch is correct two times a day. We are certainly due for some big wins.

  36. zopi Says:

    Even if the Raiders happen to beat a hapless Ram team there’s still very little that Raider fans can hold onto or expect to improve this year.
    There are just too many worthless bums left on the team that never walk their talk, from Cable on down and up to Al and his antiquated playbook and game philosophies signing perennial losers like Campbell.
    It’s hard to agree with JMac that Hue Jackson is running his own playbook or offensive game plan. This last game looked exactly like the Raiders have looked offensively since Gannon left.
    The same goes for the defensive philosophy, bend bend until it pops wide open with dummies like Branch and worthless junk like Chris Johnson and Quentin Groves making stupid plays or not stepping out.
    And to boot there’s still a wide possibility that the Rams with Steven Jackson can run all over the Raiders defenders and win.
    After all what could be expected from players like Zach Miller saying they got their teeth kicked in because they were overconfident (?).
    How can anybody trust them? The fans in Oaktown are speaking loud and clear.

  37. lefty12 Says:

    JB,the thing is I do believe we will win this week.Last week I hoped we could beat the Titans.We played a terrible game and were manhandled by a very good team.The lambs lost to a terrible Ariz. team.I admit I am basing this on what I saw we were capable of in the Practice games.

  38. JB Says:

    What’s with all this team hamstring problems? Do we have a strength & conditioning coaching problem? Anyone have an informed insight on this issue?

  39. GG Says:

    That’s the mistake, Lefty. All judgments should be based on what was seen in real matches. Pre-season is labbing and vanilla on both sides.

  40. BenRaiderfan Says:

    Wow! I used to get pissed off at all of the JR supporters who used to point out how fragile Grad was. Now I understand what they mean. You guys really think Grad is going to light any fires with this O line? You’re out of your d*mn minds.

  41. ArmChair GM Says:

    # BenRaiderfan Says:
    September 17th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    You guys really think Grad is going to light any fires with this O line? You’re out of your d*mn minds.
    ________________________________________________________

    Light fires? Maybe not. But I do know that he would successfully slide for a first down.

  42. Raiders13LA Says:

    We support you Namdi! You the Man. Now get the deffense making some plays. Tell Stanford Route he needs to have his own style, and to not try and copy yours. GO RAIDERS!!! I will be hearing it on the radio because of stupid work!!! IS the station here in LA still 560 am ? Does anyone know?

  43. lefty12 Says:

    GG-that may be true,but the opponent should also be taken into consideration and Tenn. at their house is a lot different than Ariz. home or away.I heard a couple of guys on the radio today talking about the whiners and how they had to play in a tough stadium in Seattle so they were waiting before passing judgement on the whiners,yet nobody seems to be taking that into consideration when discussing the Raiders and the whiners actually lost worse than we did.

  44. Raiders13LA Says:

    Ture Lefty12

  45. lefty12 Says:

    To a team that isn’t nearly as good as Tenn. I might add.

  46. JB Says:

    The success or failure of THIS season will fall on the shoulders of JCampbell. Gradkowski will not be a starter this year unless JCampbell is injured. Even then, because of his bad wheels, he’ll likely only last starting for three games & then be re-injured himself. I say that because he tries so hard, he puts himself at more risk than maybe he should. It’s probably good that Boller is #3. At least here’s a fallback plan if Grads goes down.

    Let’s just hope JCampbell gets it together and does what we all think he’s capable of.

  47. Raiders13LA Says:

    Even though its preseason we beat them!

  48. beach Says:

    Don’t forget Howie’s son is coming to town and he would love to make some big plays! This offense better be alive from the opening kickoff!

  49. priesttj Says:

    “Peace among men of good will” Let’s not have a QB contraversy on one game. Let it play itself out. If we play Gradkowski does anybody here see a SB appearance in our future? If not then let the starter prove he’s not the starter. If Campbell cannot win Gradkowski will get his chance if Campbell does win he wont. How is that a bad thing? For Gards fans it’s a win win situation same as it is for Campbell supporters.

    Let it play itself out.

  50. lefty12 Says:

    i’m not trying to say we are some kind of juggernaut,but at the same time I refuse to believe we are one of the bottom feeders either-until It’s proven different after more than 1 week.

  51. Raiders13LA Says:

    Thats right howie JR. is coming. Does that mean Howie Long will take the day off from Fox and come watch his son and his former team?

  52. ArmChair GM Says:

    # priesttj Says:
    September 17th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    “Peace among men of good will” Let’s not have a QB contraversy on one game. Let it play itself out. If we play Gradkowski does anybody here see a SB appearance in our future? If not then let the starter prove he’s not the starter. If Campbell cannot win Gradkowski will get his chance if Campbell does win he wont. How is that a bad thing? For Gards fans it’s a win win situation same as it is for Campbell supporters.

    Let it play itself out.
    _______________________________________________________

    Amen. Let’s see if Cable can rally this team together and get them to play to their potential.

  53. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    priest, a QB controversy is when you have two good quarterbacks.

  54. Raider O Says:

    #32, I hope you are right Lefty. I’m sick of losing.

  55. JB Says:

    Howie’s son has been no more successful than JaLoser, Huff, DMac (not counting last week) & DHB. To date, he could also qualify for he bust label. Just goes to prove that there are very few sure things when it comes to the draft & immediate success stories.

  56. GG Says:

    Im not dissing you Lefty at all. Just that pre-season is all experimentation. There were some positive things, for sure. But the litmus test of judgment is always what actually is seen in real games.

    All we have to go on is one week of games. Cardinals are not a terrible team. Rams ran with them all game with a rookie QB. Titans are a very good team, and the Raiders capitulated with the same ole same ole stuff as seen in Cable 2009.

    If we can only go off what we saw in week 1, the Raiders need to LIFT to match the Rams and be able to stay with them all game.

    Why i have two predictions this week….a scrappy close game that the Raiders win, or a Cable blow-out. If we do slaughter the lambs….the only way that’s gonna happen is if we have a Gannon-esque passing game. I mean, where we can actually rely on it, and predominantly call pass plays.

    Do we think that’s at all been evident thruout Cable’s tenure? We need to establish the pass first drive of the game.

  57. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Happy 83rd to the “Silver Fox”!

    George Blanda, Raider Legend…

    http://www.raidernationstation.com/legends_of_the_silver__black

  58. Raider O Says:

    LMAO RMR!

  59. lefty12 Says:

    For the most part -there are some exceptions-we should all support whoever is playing since they are wearing the Silver and Black.Personally,I like Gradkowski over Campbell at this point in time,but I also realize JC is our starting QB and support him because I want him to do well so we can win games which I believe most on here want to see.

  60. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    I heard Blanda’s an a – hole. I know this woman who worked at his Burger King in Auburn years ago when she was a teenager. She said he was unreasonably rude to everybody. She said he turned Raider fans who worked there against the Raiders he was suck a jerk. LOL. I think he’s kind of a wannabe Al, to tell the truth.

  61. Raiders13LA Says:

    Well Said Lefty. We are ALL in this together. RAIDER NATION…

  62. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    A quarterback controversy is when a good quarterback is injured, and his backup plays well, and the team doesn’t know who they should go with when the starter is healthy again. That’s a QB controversy.

  63. GalacticGus Says:

    History may very well repeat itself accurately. Al wanted Pastorini as the starter initially. Sure he liked and believed in his back up Plunkett, but Pastorini was starting over Plunkett. What if Campbell ends up getting hurt like Pastorini… I am not rooting for this to happen because i am rooting for the Raiders and whoever is playing QB. I will not participate in the repeat of history of cheering if our starter goes down because the back up is always the most popular in those moments of adversity. If Campbell does not for some reason have what it takes to ignite the offense, then i would want him to get benched in favor of Grads. Suppose Grads takes over for whatever reason, then we go on and make the playoffs. then History will truly repeat itself because Grads will be like Plunkett entering during a few games into the Season they went to the Superbowl… like Brady, when Bledsoe went down, the year of the tuck rule game in the snow, came in and took it all the way that year that should of been ours had it not been for faulty and crooked officiating!

  64. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    History’s not repeating itself because we don’t have the supporting cast today that we had in ‘80. Ron Wolf’s gone. We got a bunch of garbage players and track stars.

  65. lefty12 Says:

    GG,sorry I can’t totally agree with you.Many times the 1st game of a season teams don’t show what they really are.You have to wait at least a qtr. into the season to truly gauge a team.

  66. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Tom Brady can come here and we’ll lose 11 games, Gus. The whole team sucks.

  67. GalacticGus Says:

    plunkett was a castoff just as is Gradkowski and Gannon

  68. priesttj Says:

    I really like Gradkowski but I see him as a little skidish he has proven that he can win games so tht part doesn’t concern me it’s my fear that as a starter he would be gameplanned easier. I know he’s fleet of foot but he’s just too small to be running out there.

    If he were 6′4″ 220 I’d feel much better but he’s a small guy I knw he would last. Most compare him to Garcia if that’s the case I like him less. thers compare him Brees and that is way off. Brees is a passer with tremendous feel and vision and anticipation and accuracy. Not to mention he’s as competitive as hell if Gradkowski were even close to him. I would take Gradkowski in a run away.

  69. GG Says:

    Lefty…

    Yeah, of course, the more games played, the more samples to judge and compare. Just saying, all we have right now is week 1 regular season to compare. And based on that, Raiders are playing below the level the Rams are playing. Pre-season notwithstanding.

  70. GalacticGus Says:

    Campbell is somewhat of a castoff, since he has only been with one team

  71. lefty12 Says:

    GG,how can you compare us and the Rams.They played a weak,and they are weak as they lost their heart and soul in Warner,Ariz. team and we played a very good Tenn. team.And after the last 7 years we have come to expect the worst so we won’t give the team the benefit of any doubt.

  72. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    We win this weeked despite a garbage OL and an undermanned DL without a real NG. We might win 5 all year. The mix of garbage players with garbage coaching will yield a garbage season.

  73. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    # GalacticGus Says:
    September 17th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    plunkett was a castoff just as is Gradkowski and Gannon

    ……………

    And that’s where the similarities stop. No offensive line, no receivers, a lightweight HB destined for the IR, a 2nd rate defense at best shackled to a 30 year old scheme.

    Campbell: 5-11

    Gradkowsk: 5-11

    Tom Brady: 5-11

    God as Raider QB: 5-11

  74. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    Oakland iis without a doubt one of the worst 5 teams in the league. Players know that good teams will blow out Oakland, and games will be over by halftime. When we play POS teams like the Rams we got a chance!

  75. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Gus, the cat’s out of the bag. Al Davis already plugged the Campbell/Jim Plunkett angle before the season. Anyone who follows news stories on Al Davis knows that this whole “he reminds me of Plunkett” thing is nothing more than a desperate marketing scheme.

  76. lefty12 Says:

    Priest ,to be honest,I think Grad. is the ideal backup-maybe one of the best in the league.However,right now I also believe we would be better with him starting but it won’t happen so there is no need to keep harping on it.It also wouldn’t totally surprise me if JC went out for an extended amount of time if Boller weren’t given the starting job as he fits the profile of what the Raiders want in a starting QB.

  77. GalacticGus Says:

    Hey REal Madddened Raaaaaaiddddeeeerrr, hahaha

    are you an Xs and Os type of guy? can you enlighten me on the intricacies of strategy and offensive or defensive theory… or are you more of sociologist observing the rise and fall of the legendary Raider organization. yes legendary. what ever comes up will eventually go down and return to glory if the end of civilization as we know it does not end anytime soon and the nfl will go another 50 to 100 years..

  78. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    you’re calling me a sociologist? You’re the one making comparisons to a 30 year old football team.

  79. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Wildcats is on one of these dish channels. HDN? Anyway, nice throwback.

  80. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12

    I agree short term Grads gives us a better chance for success but that would also retard Campbell’s timing with these players. I saw what Grads did in the preseason and it was remarkable. In the interest of a longterm answer they have to get Campbell comfortable as quick as possible. But if he went down Grads would play over Boller this season in the offseason they would pen it up and Boller would be able to make a case for himself.

    I was shocked to see Boler compete at the level taht he did, he showed comeback ability and the longball. He’s just more gifted everything else being equal. I would stack Grads up against any other backup in the league. He is like a 6th man in basketball. You don’t lose much.

  81. GalacticGus Says:

    what would you like me to call you? honestly what do you consider yourself? a philosopher? You seem to think you know it all. I am all those things myself actually. Sociologist, psychologist, historian, philospher.. I have a few A.A degrees and a B.A but that don’t matter, the point is its nothing to get offended because yes I am making comparisons to a 30 year old football team, thank you very much …and if that makes me a sociologist, i am fine with that. Its better than being a punk ass trolling around their negativity… I am not saying you are that.. once in a while i have seen something insightful from you. I don’t really post on these boards.. I just keep quiet. mostly read because i am studying human beings and their behaviors.. and you sir, have the god given choice to be whatever you want to be and also let other believe in what they want to believe, be that have faith that their supposedly lousy football team and I hope if you spend enough time on here, that you may actually hope that the team see get it together and turn the corner, be that a mundane hope that it is in the grand scheme of things.

  82. Raider-DEE Says:

    When We first got J.Campbel…I said”Thank GOD”…anyone but jablubber!!! But after that embarassing loss… I said”I thought we letgo of Jamarshmellow” I know it’s only one game… but Campbells demeanor said it al…… The guy just throws the ball too late… I know we have a bad offensive line and soory wide outs….but when Grads plays….the team seems to get charged up!!! Body language says it all!!

  83. lefty12 Says:

    Whats funny is if one really wanted to look back and make comparisons,I’d compare Campbell more to Pastorini and Boller to Plunkett.

  84. GalacticGus Says:

    and one more thing MR

    you avoided my original question. How well schooled are you in football? Because i know how to play the video game and have an open mind to learn. Its all good, you don’t have to answer. no harm intended or hard feelings. peace!

  85. Raider-DEE Says:

    If Campbell starts the game Vs. the Lambs and he starts struggling…. I say make the change…….Right away!! put in GRADS!!! You’l see!! Does anyone remember the Pitt game last seaon!!! Thats was GREAT!!

  86. Raider-DEE Says:

    I’m going to throw up when I start hearing raider fans booing the Raiders QB again!!

  87. Raider-DEE Says:

    Rams have lost 26 of last 29 games!! If we cant beat them…. we may as well call it a season and pack it in!! AGAIN!!

  88. GalacticGus Says:

    whoever is Qb as long as we win.

  89. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 that is a very interesting analogy when you really loook at it it has some merit. Boller being the unlikely hero whom no one expects to do much of anything. That is exactly how fans and media saw Plunkett as an afterthought. Like Oh yeah! Plunkett’s there also. But Boller showed me a lot, he’s way more accurate than I thought has a very strong arm and has this offense down.

    Stranger things have happened and they happened to this team.

  90. lefty12 Says:

    Exactly.And Campbell/Pastorini is the guy we traded for to lead the team with the strong arm who was a recent starter that the fans turned on after a very short time.

  91. GalacticGus Says:

    all of the quarterbacks are relatively good, including Campbell. He did make some passes and had a good percentage… there was a lot of factors in that game that made it worse than what it was. the refs were said to not call offsides on the titans. the crowd noise is not really much of a factor if you are playing a subpar team but the Titans have been a pretty good team last half of last season and are good team now with Vince Young hitting his groove. The score should have been more like Titans 20 Raiders 17 in a tighter game with the Raiders having a chance to win, but with the Raiders tensed up and got caught off guard.. cold clocked. football is an emotional game as is getting into a fist fight. Once those big 15 and 75 yard touchdowns and interception return is what took sealed the deal, otherwise it could have been close and there was an outside chance… and these variables that happen are influenced by the conditions….. noise factor, good defense… the line actually did good on some run plays.

  92. priesttj Says:

    EEerie stuff Left, Now you’re really scaring me. But I’ll tell ya’ there is something about this season exactly what I’m not sure. I’m trying very hard not to make more out of it than is neccessary but the players keep saying things that get me juiced. They’re feeeling it and I’m trying to see what it is. That backfield has something that no one is expecting those two are finally healthy and both are great backs. They could be very special. So we’ll see……

  93. lefty12 Says:

    I want to see what the players seem to believe.I don’t know if it will happen,but sure hope it does.For one thing coming on here would be a he!! of a lot more pleasant,and being laid up the way I am would be more bearable.

  94. Try Some Reality Says:

    Hey Cable – be a man! do the right thing! start Gradkowski!

  95. lefty12 Says:

    Oh,and Dee-comment 86-I couldn’t agree more,but judging from this blog you know it is going to happen.

  96. GG Says:

    It’s always easier being the back-up QB, coming on after an injury or whatever. Teams would have spent the week game-planning against the starter. The pressure isn’t there as much as the starter. It’s harder being the starter because you are the #1 leader, and all the weight of expectation is on you, plus you have back-ups nipping at your heels to take your job, and opponent DC’s deconstructing every facet of your game.

  97. r8rwill Says:

    good evening nation, everyone in here knows that football is won and lost in the trenches… our raiders must win on the offensive line, i think that is how cable got the job.. lord help us… if these guys can’t block and pass protect it won’t matter who plays qb…god help him..
    i don’t want to think this line can’t, but when i look back they haven’t been able to protect any of our passers.. the only thing that saved us the past two seasons is the fact that JR was too big to get hurt and too drugged up to feel pain… this thought has had me up all night looking at the ceiling… for several nights… say it isn’t so somebody!!! anybody

  98. r8rwill Says:

    has cable been able to dupe all of us into thinking our line is good when it isn’t??? and if so who is dumber him or us?? or is our line good and just had a few bad games??

  99. priesttj Says:

    My take is it’s somewhere in the middle, it’s not as bad as it looked but that doesn’t mean that they have it all corrected. If he gets the line settled in they could be competent. But we need to add much better players to this unit

  100. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    GG Says:
    September 17th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    Jerry, any chance you could grill Cable on his OL?
    Why people are being played out of their natural positions.
    Eg, Campbell is a certified Tackle, that’s where his abilities and talents lie. Why then thru camp is he being trained/asked to learn the interior like a fish out of water, instead of being planted on the Tackle depth chart and honing his skill there.
    If he says stuff like to help the team, versatility, then throw at him that but it doesnt help HIM does it. He gets sporadic snaps or inactive list, struggling with interior line play, but it shoots his confidence and doesnt give him snaps where his talents lie. etc.

    And go thru the list of former Tackles playing Guard/Center and Guards playing Tackle etc. And as him why a HC with expertise in OL, has such an unstable OL, full of mediocre talent, and/or played out of position that ends up making the collective line play so weak.

    I mean GRILL him. Of course you can toe the amicable non-hostile route, but the constant questioning to pry answers from him needs to happen.
    =================================================
    GG, I have asked myself this question repeatedly.

    Why the hell play mix-n-match? Always trying to outsmart everyone.

    If we needed a Center…..draft a freekn Center.

    This O-Line is a ridiculous mess of Madden11 like moves of putting people OUT of position

  101. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    janthony6 Says:
    September 17th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    Raiders are too stupid to be a winner…..ever. The best QB on the team is Bruce Gradkowski – he has the fire to win – throws with more zip on the ball, better accuracy, and is always looking downfield.

    Campbell is a career loser that has accumulated his stats by checking the ball down to RBs or WRs on screen passes. He is a terrible QB. If JaMarcus Russell had half a brain, that 1st round draft status could have had him playing today just like Campbell.
    =====================================================
    And you base this on a 4th QTR and a decent…read decent..game against the Bengals? That’s a lot of expectation from 2 games….did you include that Cowboy game too?

    As for Campbell, so 1 bad game out and he’s JaDavis?

    Life doesn’t work like they depict it in Disney movies.

    Give me a break!

  102. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    By the way….Pittsburgh replaced its secondary last year and missed the playoffs with a loss to CLEVELAND.

    Troy Palomalu was not playing. Those things matter when you want to use that one game to decide the starting Quarterback.

    LOL – Raider fan has lost his mind with all this losing.

  103. r8rwill Says:

    i don’t know what position carlisle played in college, but the rest of the guys on the line are playing a position they didn’t play in school… why?? why wsa gallery unable to zone block at tackle, how did mario henderson get to left tackle? why would you cut a player then three years later pick him up off of some other teams cut list? what did he learn in the three yearsw he was gone. and why couldn’t you teach him..why would you draft a beast who possesses all the tools to be a great left tackle, and make him a guard??or center?? why woulld you let a good center walk away, then sign the guy who was replaced by your guy?? i am just saying…i love my raiders allways will.. but right now it is tough love

  104. GG Says:

    SnB ODS…
    comments 100 and 101, you’re a smart man.

  105. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    R8rwill,

    It all gets back to the fundamental drafting philosophy of basing too much on Height/Weight/Speed.

    Bring in the athletes and teach him to play ball….forget his knowledge of playing a certain position that said player has accumulated.

    Would you hire the smartest history major to be a rocket scientist….or would you hire a relatively mediocre engineering major for the same job?

    Now think what the Raiders would do!

  106. r8rwill Says:

    SnB
    i knowyou are right i just don’t want to believe it. it is too painful…

  107. r8rwill Says:

    i liked cable thought he was the right man for the job, but then again i think there has never been a raider coach i didn’t like at first..and i look back at most fondly

  108. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    R8rwill,

    Season isn’t lost. It was a bad week 1 and like Nnamdi said, each year is a new team.

    But that O-Line, on paper, is the worst I have ever seen it….

    Let’s see what happens

  109. r8rwill Says:

    except shatarat, i mean shanahan, i can’t stand to look at his ugly azzz.

  110. ENGLANDRAIDER Says:

    It is amazing to me that this is Saturday and neither Veldheer or Satelle know whether they’ll be playing center.
    For the first week Veldheer found out just one week before that he’d be center even though he hadn’t played that position in two weeks.

    Then, as GG says in post#2, we’ve got this constant business of Cable playing the offensive linemen out of position. How the hell are they ever going to come together as an OL?!
    Get it together Cable, make up your effin mind.

  111. r8rwill Says:

    snb,

    you are right again sir. the season is just starting, and i believe we will be a very good team. win eight maybe ten games, and after we do i’ll be ready to see cable go.. or maybe not, who knows??

  112. r8rwill Says:

    when i first looked at the schedule i thought we could win 8 games. i didn’t think we would beat the titans, but i didn’t think we would lose for the reasons we did, i thought we would be in the game in the fourth quarter, not blown out in the second!!!

  113. r8rwill Says:

    hello england, i hope he starts veldheer at center, and sticks with it.. i think this kid is a special player/person and will develope into a monster at whatever position.. but it would be nice if he follows in the raider tradition of great centers…then going forward we would know the middle of our line is solid,,

  114. r8rwill Says:

    i think the raiders should draft nothing but left tackles until we find the one. put super mario on the bus today before he really does get our QB killed!! that move in itself will make better pass protection. imo

  115. GG Says:

    Why wasn’t B.Campbell (LT) and J.Veldheer (LT) installed as #2 and #3 LT behind M.Henderson during camp, and letting them compete for the starting job?

    It’s like Henderson is Al’s (or maybe Cable’s) JR at the LT spot. Cable either put him there or Cable is under orders to put him there.

    When we keep re-signing guys like Walker and Pears, it’s indicative that either Cable keeps bringing them back, or Davis is, and Cable’s under orders to “make it work”.

    Kwame Harris…former no 1 draft pick….that hints it’s Davis bringing him in and telling Cable to make it work. Or is it Cable wanting him and Davis saying, if you think it’ll work go for it.

    We already have a promising LT, and who has all the skill-set to be a franchise LT…B.Campbell.

    Cable never even tried Campbell at LT during OTAs and camp. He was drafted and IMMEDIATELY said he’d be working as a RG, WTF is that BS?

    Why i’d like media to get to the bottom of this whole OL thing. What’s really going on? Why is Cable such an idiot, and/or is Al playing silly-buggers still?

    Maybe Al is right and Cable is an idiot. Maybe Al is pushing for Campbell at LT and Mitchell at SS, but we have coaches thumbing their noses at him? Maybe it’s the other way around.

    We don’t know for sure, but I do know Cable is the HC and OL guru, and he is responsible and is the go-to-person, the face of the Raiders.

  116. RaiderRetribution Says:

    0 for 3

    gave up more than 1 big play; did not dominate the line of scrimmage [either side]; lost the turnover battle

    this is what was needed to defeat the Titans

    versus the Rams, we must have at least two of these and we should

    Dominate the line of scrimmage, Jackson is a strong runner , but not nearly as fast as CJ, so there is no reason to give up any big plays, we must do what we did do versus Tennessee and that is a lot of 0-3 yard gains for Jackson and maintain the 5.0 average for McFadden

    we can afford to give up one more turnover than St. Louis as long as it is not a 90+ yard int/fum return for a TD

    We must and we should dominate the trenches, both sides!

  117. RaiderRetribution Says:

    the opposite is what was needed, meant to say

  118. RaiderRetribution Says:

    as for Mr. Mario Henderson, he would probably make a great RG.

  119. RaiderRetribution Says:

    Vehldeer, Loper, Satele, Henderson, Campbell

    that is a front line I would like to see

  120. ENGLANDRAIDER Says:

    R8:

    I agree with you about Veldheer. He showed considerable improvement as last week’s game progressed. Especially since the last time he played center was in high school.
    The OL isn’t the greatest in the world but it needs Cable to give it some stability. Give them a chance to jell and stop with all the playing out of position.

    If you watch last weeks game some times people were open, the OL was doing its job, and Campbell should have been able to get the ball to them but took too long to make up his mind.
    Still, as I keep telling myself, at least he’s not Russell.

  121. AussieRaiderRosco Says:

    i reckon keep the youth-policy going, give the big fella another go, satele is definitely not the long term answer. Might as well see what we’ve got in the rookies. They are the ones that are either gonna turn this ship around or keep it floundering…

  122. AussieRaiderRosco Says:

    weird that only a Pom and an Aussie are on a Raiders blog! Raiders ashes?

  123. Plunketthead Says:

    kentuckian turned arizonian here

  124. Plunketthead Says:

    Jc better have a big day Sunday or Al will demote him

  125. Plunketthead Says:

    Come to think of it, the mob at the Coli will booo him to death

  126. Plunketthead Says:

    Death by Booing.
    That probaly had a huge affect on Jacanthandleit

  127. Plunketthead Says:

    Colin Kaepernick ran for 148 yards and three touchdowns and passed for 181 yards and two more scores in Nevada’s 52-31 victory over California on Friday night.

    Cal should lose that bad to a weak arse team

  128. Plunketthead Says:

    Cal should NOT lose

  129. Plunketthead Says:

    Speaking of the great state of Kentucky
    How about them Wildcats!!
    2-0 in the SEC
    This is the year!

  130. Plunketthead Says:

    Remember the name Randall Cobb

  131. Plunketthead Says:

    No relationship to Tex “bad to the bone” Cobb

  132. Plunketthead Says:

    BREAKING NEWS

    Raider D stifles Jackson.
    Secondary intercepts Sad Sam 4 times
    DMAC runs for 138 yards one TD
    JC throws for 230 yards two TD
    DHB catches two TD

    Raiders 37 Lambs 13

  133. Plunketthead Says:

    Chargers are mostly healthy except for long snapper. They lost two guys with thirty years experiance in the span of two weeks and just signed some reject.

    From listening in here they should just make the center snap the ball. Out of 53 theres nobody that can snap the dam ball?
    Must be harder then it looks

  134. Plunketthead Says:

    I just noticed his name

    Colin Kaepernick?

    What the heck kind of name is that?

  135. Kirk Says:

    As someone here said, keep drafting left tackles till you find one. We could have drafted a good one, but we chose McFadden, and Denver drafted AllPro Ryan Clady.

  136. Plunketthead Says:

    Or go after a proven free agent like Mankins.
    You should draft the best player unless the person you want and need is real close in value.

    JR was a great choice at the time. I bet 90% of the teams would have drafted him first after the combines.

    DMAC should have lit the league up and he still might. If we had not taken him, Jetland would have exploded. There were praying that Al would draft a fourth round workout warrior so they could DMAC.

    Paying those high draft picks megabucks ruins teams trying to dig out of the hole. Its a 50/50 toss of the coin or dam close to it. They need to pay them a lot less and spend money on some proven free agents to pull out of last place but the NFL & the Union have screwed things up

  137. Plunketthead Says:

    I have a solution to union/managment problems.

    If they go on strike then all of union management and their staff should have their paychecks cut in half. I would say no paychecks but they still have to get up and go to work everyday so give them a little bit of a break but I bet deals would be hammered out.

    The only people that make out after the strike is union management and the business.

    Union members almost always lose after you factor in the loss of work and management may not do it right away but they get rid of the strike “leaders”

  138. Plunketthead Says:

    I am not a big Giant fan but I would love to see Lincecum pitch and I like new blood in playoffs

  139. Plunketthead Says:

    I picked the wrong morning to wake up early, drink too much coffee, pop to m,uch hillbilly herion and get mellow.

    Where is everyone

  140. Plunketthead Says:

    Wake up RMR

    I fell like slapping someone around and you are my all time favorite punching bag.

  141. AussieRaiderRosco Says:

    that’s a massive one-person conversation Plunketthead! (great name by the way)
    it’s v.late here in Oz but i didn’t want you to feel unappreciated.
    I’m with you – build from the trenches, no good having pretty, fast things if they can’t be used properly. It’s like owning a ferrari but not being able to drive stick!

  142. Plunketthead Says:

    Thanks Aussie

    Whats the latest down under news.
    Are people talking about arming themselves and getting ready for the Chinese invasion?

    Or are things pretty much normal with the media telling most the people what to think and how to behave in the new world order, like it is here.

    War is all over but we sit fat and happy for the most part with hot pockets and big screen football

  143. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Man, Kevin Riley sucks!!!!

  144. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Giants don’t need to worry about the Padres, they are toast.

    It’s these damn Rockies and Tulowitzki hitting 13 home runs already this month!!

  145. Plunketthead Says:

    I agree about the denver rockies. They come to play in September.

    How about the Twins. All of a sudden they are neck & neck with the yanks/rays for best overall record

  146. AussieRaiderRosco Says:

    It’s all good here – we’re Kool and the Gang down under.
    i’m turning in happy and content that the world is cruisin and at some point the raiders will be relevant again.
    hope you have a great day in the USA, good night all

  147. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Week 2 of the Jason Campbell era is about 30 hours away.

    That guy scares the crap out of me. Over 50 career starts, and looked like it was his first career game last week.

    Wonder how patient the crowd will be tomorrow for him? He might want to get off to a decent start, or the boo-birds will start to come out.

  148. GG Says:

    Tom Brady behind our OL in week 1 would’ve looked even worse than Campbell, as he has even less mobility and speed to avoid a rush.

  149. armond Says:

    vegas i wanted to throw my damn remote thru the tv at rileys head last night. cal is just too damn soft when they get some kind of challenge.that defense looked like sh!t and riley was riley.

  150. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Riley has gotten worse every year it seems.

    Vereen looks legit though.

  151. Plunketthead Says:

    I would not be suprised if they boo him at introductions.
    Even when he had time to throw he was worse then horrible.

    No way Brady or any other great QB looks that bad.

  152. Just Fire Baby Says:

    GG,

    I used to listen to the guy who runs the Hilton sports book when I lived in Vegas, Jay Kornegay.

    He is the guy who sets the line for wins for a team in the preseason.

    When the McNabb trade rumors were flying last offseason, he was asked how important a QB was to setting his lines.

    Now of course, he is just the guy who sets gambling lines, not a GM or a football guy. But I remember him vividly saying that ANY team with Peyton Manning on it would not get any less than 8 wins for it’s season. When asked what Donovan going to the Rams as rumored would do, he said the line would probably double from 3 to 6.

    To say Tom Brady, a HOF, would have done no different than a guy with a career .350 winning percentage is just crazy.

  153. hendu Says:

    Fellas, Tom Cable is good with the press, makes a great cup of coffee,and Al could use a young fella in the front office. Fire his ass as head coach,bring in Jon Gruden and his staff and get the frig out of the way! Pay Chuckie whatever he wants,within reason.Im like most of ya,TIRED of losing! Bring back Coach Gruden and WIN, blackouts are HISTORY!!!!!Some say he will coach the Cowboys next year, I believe he BELONGS in OAKLAND,just sayin. OK,I just woke up, Cmon Al,the Greatness of the Raiders is at stake!

  154. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Didn’t seem like Tom Brady missed Logan Mankins much last week.

  155. Just Fire Baby Says:

    I believe that Gruden’s next coaching gig will be in the collegiate ranks.

    Just my opinion.

  156. Plunketthead Says:

    Nevada has a hell of a team and Chris Ault is the secret ingrediant. He has been putting together fantastic teams since the 70’s. He did take a long break and become President at Reno for sometime and recently decided to put Reno football back on the map.

    He was coach when Frank Hawkins lead the nation in running. I would not be suprised to see them go undefeated with their schedule

    9/2 vs. Eastern Washington W 49 – 24
    9/11 vs. Colorado State W 51 – 6
    9/17 vs. California W 52 – 31
    9/25 at Brigham Young
    10/2 at UNLV
    10/9 vs. San Jose State
    10/16 at Hawaii
    10/30 vs. Utah State
    11/6 at Idaho
    11/13 at Fresno State
    11/20 vs. New Mexico State
    11/26 vs. 3 Boise State
    12/4 at Louisiana Tech

    They get Boise State at home and I bet the Broncos are already thinking about how tough that game is going to be

  157. GG Says:

    Just Fire Baby…

    Yes, he’s just a bookie.
    I agree with some of what you say, but I said OUR WEEK ONE OL. That particular OL, especially 1st half when the titans threw everything at it to break the score/game open, before they coasted afterwards, was letting everyone thru and hitting JC even during his drop back.
    Have you seen those rare few games when the Pats or Colts OL’s were crumbling similarly? I remember distinctly a Colts Falcons game two years ago, when in the 1st half the Colts were letting everything thru like ours did, and Peyton look like Andrew Walter, he couldnt move, could see the shock and horror on his face, was throwing off the back-foot and cross-body and getting intercepted a lot or taking sacks or fumbling or spraying passes. Looked garbage.
    Then they made adjustments start of 2nd half, and everything back to normal, 300+ yards and 3 TDs.
    And I remember Pats games against Dolphins, when Jason Taylor etc were terrorizing Brady the same way, and he was doing the same thing as Peyton, fumbles, sacks like how they do cowering and arching their backs falling to the ground, etc.

  158. Just Fire Baby Says:

    No just a bookie, arguably the best bookie in the world.

    Yes, on a one game situation, any QB can look like crap with a bad O-line. But over a season, and many seasons, a great QB will make it happen with whatever.

    And IMO, the Defensive line is the second most important position behind QB. A dominant D-line will dominate a good offensive line, 9 out of 10 times.

  159. Plunketthead Says:

    I dont know that Gruden still has the fire inside, if not the ability.

    If Al hires someone it will be Harbough or maybe someone from his staff or some other unknown.

    JFB
    If you could get any coach you wanted who would it be and how long is the list of sure fire coaches.

    Tuna is not interested in coaching.
    I would take Bellecheat
    I am suprised Tomlin is doing so well
    Sean Peyton might be on the list but is it because of Brees? (keep your fingers crossed he can stay out of the medicine cabinet)

    Dungy of course. The last two teams he left were freat for years after unlike a lot of supposed great coaches like Gruden and Holmgren

  160. Plunketthead Says:

    John Fox would probaly be on that list.
    Andy Reid as well except that top of the line QB thing may have helped him quite a bit.

    A great QB can make lots of average coaches look like world beaters

  161. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Plunk,

    Tough question. I would want a defensive minded guy. How about Rob Ryan (just kidding)

    I’m sure the next great HC is a co-ordiantor somewhere. I’m not much of a retread guy, like a Cowher or Holmgren, they usually don’t do as well in their second stints in other places.

  162. Just Fire Baby Says:

    So, are you going to make out to AZ for the game?

  163. GG Says:

    Just Fire Baby said…

    Yes, on a one game situation, any QB can look like crap with a bad O-line.

    —-

    Which is exactly what I said! Tom Brady behind our OL in week 1 would’ve looked as bad if not worse than Campbell did.

  164. Plunketthead Says:

    95% for sure but I hate making plans

  165. RaiderMight Says:

    The first step to filling those seats, is by showing the fans that they can at least win the games that we are “supposed” to win.

  166. Plunketthead Says:

    Winning will help but they also need to cut ticket prices and parking prices,have Tower Of Power play at the tailgate party and have an Al Davis bobblehead day.

    That will put butts in the seats

  167. Plunketthead Says:

    Look across the bay for inspiration.
    I hear the Bay City Rollers are playing at halftime
    Mike is not happy but the fans sure are.

  168. Plunketthead Says:

    I think Seneca Wallace will have a big game and Kansas Chitty will implode. We will be able to use this tape to game plan Kansas Chitty and destroy them provided SuperBruce starts

  169. Plunketthead Says:

    Nothing puts butts in the seats like a bobblehead doll.
    They would be fighting in the streets over Al Davis bobbleheads. E-bay auctions would be off the charts.
    Even President Oboma would want one, Michelle too!

  170. mikeschoice Says:

    Raiders 8-0 ……………..
    on Blackouts!! hehe
    Even if they sqeek by rams and arizona so what?
    they have no chance against a top 10 team like tennesse(they aren’t even top 5). And the positives they try to pull out of the game are a total joke.
    Excuses are tools of incompetence!

  171. Plunketthead Says:

    Im bored
    I found where someone made a prediction that are not too farfetched

    1) Israel will attack Iran’s nuclear facilities. 2) Russia and China will aid Iran. 3) Oil prices will skyrocket. 4) China will retake Taiwan. 5) N. Korea will see the impotence of the US as we negotiate in two theaters of war and move on South Korea. 6) The UN will support China and Russia while pushing for sanctions against N. Korea. 7) The Allied Powers will consist of France, Germany, England, US, Canada, etc. 8) The Axis Powers will consist of China, Russia, Iran, Egypt, N. Korea, etc.

  172. Plunketthead Says:

    Mallet looking good!

  173. Plunketthead Says:

    Mike you need to put down the spoon and step away from the drugs.

    Raiders beat top ten teams last year and they will double that this year.

    If you dont get your act together you will have to join the RMR fan club

  174. RaiderRetribution Says:

    Plunkett, I agree- I see KC losing to Senaca Wallace and the Browns, I also see Jags defeating the Broncos easily, and SD going 0-2.

    Raiders tied for first after they defeat the Rams and they dam well better defeat the Rams by two scores.

  175. jupe Says:

    @Pluntethead

    Kaepernick was adopted when 5 weeks old — adoptive parents are of German descent.

    “Football provided him his first taste of electricity, when he competed in the NFL Punt, Pass & Kick competition during halftime of an Oakland Raiders game at age 8 in front of thousands of fans.”

    http://www.turlockjournal.com/news/article/5025/

  176. Plunketthead Says:

    Seattle plays the mules and I think USC North beats the mules like gabby hayes in that classic western

  177. Plunketthead Says:

    Nice find Jupe

    I am officialy on the Nevada/Colin bandwagon

    13-0

    best year ever!!

  178. kidseven Says:

    All Grads has done is make plays behind a shoddy o-line and win games. Hopefully Campbell can begin saying the same thing after tomorrow’s game. If not, the controversy will be deafening. Seriously.

    Raiders 17
    Rams 14

    Drank it up.

  179. r8rwill Says:

    good morning nation

    i hope to see you guys at the tailgate/game tomorrow enjoying a raiders convincing victory. these are the times the real fans support our team.. it is easy to be a raider fan when they are winning…we need every voice yelling RAIDERRRRRRRRRRSSSSS

  180. wishbone Says:

    Nnamdi, you are disappointed the game is not sold out??? Well now you know how all of us Raider fans have felt the past eight years. You don’t want us to compare this team to the past 7? Well yet another opening day blowout & it’s hard not to. Jason Campbell had not protection from a horrendous OLine. Our head coach is an OLine guy. JC scrambles for his life, but slows down and sits his azz a yard short of the first down instead of fighting for it???? Come on Nnamdi. Don’t call out the fan, call out your teammates of the past 7 seasons. You show us your team will put the effort, we will show that we will support your team. If you really want a sellout how bout you, Seymour, JC, DMac & DHB buy up all the remaining unsold tickets and give them away to those who want to go, but can’t afford it. You want me to plunk down 4 bills to watch a bunch of overpaid, ego maniacs, lazy, self centered boys play a game & get paid for it? I dont think so. Not yet at least. Prove to me JC isn’t an old JaMarcus & McClain isn’t a younger Morrison.

  181. hendu Says:

    170 Tenn isnt a joke, lets see how it plays out,wish I could bet youre niner ass! mikeschoice,does that mean you sit on the sidelines and then comment after the game,with youre astute observations?mc=moron hehehe

  182. BigTed707 Says:

    I heard the game sold out, but it was too late to avoid the black-out.
    Can anybody verify this?

  183. Raider75 Says:

    If I lived in Oakland, I would buy a ticket.

    I’m in TX however, so I’ll be watching on DirecTV.

    Went to Houston last season and dropped the bucks to watch the Raiders get pummeled and had to endure trash talk from idiots.

    At least at home games people wouldn’t have to endure that kind of humiliation.

  184. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Who gives a damn about a sellout? We who go to games care little about it. Our 40,000 are as loud as anyone else’s 70,000

  185. Plunketthead Says:

    Wishbone

    Dr Phil just texted me

    He said your life would be more enjoyable if you rooted for a team that has been winning lately.

    He suggested the Cheats or the Aints or if you really want to step out on the ladder and be daring go for the TunaFins or Houston Boots

  186. BigTed707 Says:

    Bring on the Rain!
    We have the advantage in the mud over a turf team like the Rams.

  187. BigTed707 Says:

    Bauce 4 Real Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Who gives a damn about a sellout?
    ______________________
    Apparently, Nnamdi does.

  188. BigTed707 Says:

    Nnamdi Asomugha: “…And we’d like to see that place sold out.”

  189. Plunketthead Says:

    When or if blackouts start affecting the bottom line the NFL will take steps to change things.

    I bet the direct TV money machine will offset the ticket sales.
    If you have Sunday ticket you can watch the game in Oakland, right?

  190. armond Says:

    bauce!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  191. BigTed707 Says:

    ROG – I’ll be there Nov. 7 when the queefs come to town.
    Gotta watch the farm till November, if you catch my drift…

  192. Plunketthead Says:

    Wake up Jerry
    Time for a fix

    Vittorio Tafur has two goo reads this morning but I dont think I can post the addy
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/17/SP991FF272.DTL

  193. Plunketthead Says:

    Raiders offensive coordinator Hue Jackson has a lot of things to correct this week after the season-opening blowout loss at Tennessee. First and foremost may be the notion that Oakland is going to settle for what defenses give it, checking down to repeated short passes to running back Darren McFadden.

    “We’re going to be an aggressive football team,” Jackson said Thursday. ”

    “We’re going to do that. We’re going to take our shots. That’s kind of who we are. That’s how we’re built.”

    The Titans surprised the Raiders with their pass defense schemes, using a lot of “Cover 2″ and bracket coverages that took away receivers from the outside. “They make you work the ball down and make you check it down,” said quarterback Jason Campbell, who was 22-of-37 for 180 yards

    Jackson said receivers were open more than Campbell thought. Obviously, the quarterback was under siege early by Tennessee defensive ends and couldn’t get his feet under him. While Oakland tackles Mario Henderson and Langston Walker struggled at times, Jackson said the Titans were getting jumps at the line of scrimmage that were too good to be true.

    “They were offsides more times than not,” Jackson said.

    He’s heard the reports that Campbell was tipping pass plays by leaning back before the snap, and he’s not buying it.

    “I don’t think it’s anything that he’s doing or that we’re doing,” Jackson said. “We’re watching it every day. We do quarterback-center exchange every day. The most disappointing part was we couldn’t get the snap from center sometimes, or the shotgun snaps, and that’s something that we worked very hard on this week.

    “Obviously, you’ve got to get the ball from center first before you do anything.”

    Rookie Jared Veldheer was making his NFL debut at center, and coach Tom Cable said later Thursday that Veldheer is not guaranteed another start Sunday.

    “I’m not ready to say that yet,” Cable said when asked if Veldheer would start at center. Cable didn’t blame Veldheer for the exchange problems but said that “timing and rhythm is more of an issue.”

    The 6-foot-8 Veldheer was a tackle at Division II Hillsdale, moved to center during training camp and then was given the preseason finale off before starting last week.

    Samson Satele would return to the job he held last year if Veldheer is pulled.

    Veldheer had one of the Raiders’ four fumbles (they lost one), and Campbell threw an interception that set up a Titans touchdown.

    “I was very disappointed,” Jackson said. “Any time you turn the ball over in this league, you’re not going to win, and that’s something we pride ourselves on. We had done a great job of that in the preseason, of not turning the ball over, and all of a sudden … we gave that team 14 points that they shouldn’t have gotten.”

    Jackson wants fans to give the Raiders another chance to show that they are better this year.

    “It’s a process,” he said. “It’s not a one-game season. We need to prove that we’ve earned their trust and the right to go represent them. That’s what we want to do.”

  194. Raider O Says:

    If I was in Oakland, I would be a season ticket holder who smokes with B & Bob before/ after the game, and also try to be next to Dell so I can hear his valuable opinions about the team.

    Go Raiders!!!
    Fire Cable!

  195. Raider O Says:

    Ted,

    You are a farmer too?
    I love green farms!!

  196. Raider O Says:

    Plunk,

    I’m interested in your business background. Degree, work exp, etc… You say a lot of interesting things that ate business related.

    I agree. The money/ revenue from Direct TV and cable (NFL redzone) will keep increasing, and ticket sales will not be a concern to the league IMHO.

  197. Raider O Says:

    Are*

  198. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Its the mainy cuzzo ARMOND! Sup wit it family?

  199. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Raider O…..that sounds legit!

  200. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    I like Jackson’s comments! Taking accountability! Im ready for tomorrow!

  201. RaiderDebo Says:

    GG Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 12:23 am
    It’s always easier being the back-up QB, coming on after an injury or whatever. Teams would have spent the week game-planning against the starter. The pressure isn’t there as much as the starter. It’s harder being the starter because you are the #1 leader, and all the weight of expectation is on you, plus you have back-ups nipping at your heels to take your job, and opponent DC’s deconstructing every facet of your game.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Agreed.

  202. TerrapinRaider Says:

    Watching Vernon Davis on NFLN’s Journey to the Super Bowl …I’m recognizing a trend with respect to Maryland players: Sean Merrimen, Vernon Davis, DHB, and Bruce Campbell

    None of these players accomplished much in college but were all physical “freaks”. Like him or not Merriman was a helluva player and became one of the best LBs in the game before the drugs got the best of him. After 3yrs VDavis looks to now be one of the better TEs in the game. He’s certainly getting paid like it.

    We have DHB & Bruce Campbell and it looks like the same story. Raw players who are physical freaks coming out of the same school. From press clippings and some glimpses of preseason play, DHB looks to be coming around. Will he end up being one of the better WRs like Merriman & VDavis at thier positions over time?

    Bruce Campbell just arrived but he’s playing out of position! If the “trend” with Maryland players is any indication ….GET THIS GUY BACK PLAYING TACKLE!!!!

  203. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Damn the BERNARD Petrino led Razorbacks look good. With LSU and Auburn in the mix the Tide gonna have to fight for sec west title

  204. BigTed707 Says:

    Right on TR!
    I hope your theory is correct!

  205. Raider O Says:

    B,

    I know we have good greens here, but I have seen what comes from your side of the state. It’s GREAT! Grade AAA+!!! my fav is Sofia.

  206. TerrapinRaider Says:

    I just think that’s an interesting perallel between the players all coming out the same school. Raw talent, physical freaks with very high potential. Merriman and Davis have (or had in the case of Merriman) established themselves as one of the best at their respective positions.

  207. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Terrapin….lol u noticing a trend with the terrapin players?

  208. BigTed707 Says:

    That Nevada QB is a killer! I’m not used to seeing CAL’s defense get smoked like that.

  209. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Lol yeah yall get better looking bzies and we get better tree game…..ahhhhhh California!

  210. Raider O Says:

    B Campbell should be playing RT for now! Print That!

    Fix the OL:
    LT: Mario/ Barns
    LG: Gallery
    C: Veldheer/ Satele
    RG: Walker
    RT: Campbell

  211. Plunketthead Says:

    hmmm

    Paper route for two years taught me everything I needed to know. I had to collect and people would not answer the door when I knocked.
    A little skinny pimple faced 13 year old wanting 3.25 for the month and they would hide.
    Washed dishes in HS
    Bussed tables, washed dishes (at Sambos on the strip) and mowed lawns for a cop (Ralph Lamb almost shot me)
    Got a job making 4.50 as mason tender. A year later I was 20 and making big bucks as a union laborer doing all sorts of things.
    Took a cut in pay to learn how to lay block, become journeyman union, ran work all over Vegas (good way to go from good guy to ahole overnight)Quit drinking and started a company 18 years ago and worked for myself since then.
    Bought 15 acres in Kingman, got it through zoning, etc, developed it with all underground, curbs, streets, etc, sold it for a big loss right when the boom started falling
    Bankers went from being good buddies to evil sob,s called loan in, would not work with us at all, etc.
    So I do side jobs when I get them (the two job stuff) and since I had no unemployment bennies I took a cozy job working part time on salary. It does not pay much but I have no bills and now I can draw unenjoyment when the business closes because of the economy.

    So here I sit all in all blessed by God
    You caught me in a writing mood. I cant believe I wrote all this

  212. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Ted………cal is embarrassing….tedford needs to be fired….watch stanford kill cal in the BIG GAME

  213. BigTed707 Says:

    Steven Jackson has a bum knee?!
    We gotta’ win this one!

  214. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Its all good plunk…..u a survivor

  215. Raider O Says:

    I love Cali! Great females (Latinas), Raiders, and the best trees in the country.

  216. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    BigTed…..yeah but a backup can come in a slice us……also that retard cable said des bryant may start at DT lol…….pitiful we gonna have a 290lb nose tackle playing the run

  217. TerrapinRaider Says:

    Bauce 4 Real Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 10:31 am
    Terrapin….lol u noticing a trend with the terrapin players?

    *****************

    yeah …its funny …but really the underlying thing is these guys are not getting coached well in college. ralf r. is not gettng the job done. but when they get to the pros and get coached as they should they begin to shine.

  218. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Yeah raider O gonna have to agree wit ya on the mamacitas……but alot of arab honeys in LA look right…..too bad their cousins and brothers be hating

  219. BigTed707 Says:

    # Bauce 4 Real Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Ted………cal is embarrassing….tedford needs to be fired….watch stanford kill cal in the BIG GAME
    ____________________
    Yeah, yeah… If they keep throwing INT’s like they did lastnight, It will be a tough year.
    Vareen looks legit tho’

  220. TerrapinRaider Says:

    I have a suspicion as to why BC is playing RG – to take advantage of his unbelievable strength/push and his speed when pulling. But I don’t agree with it.

    You don’t put what could one day be your best tackle (he definitely has the tools is all I’m saying) in the middle of the line at gaurd. Thats just a waste of talent and poor utilization of your players!

  221. Plunketthead Says:

    Thanks Bauce but I am very lucky. I did many things that I should have died from.

    lol I was nailing some hottie from Idaho and her girlfriends came home. One was a bulldyke. I was asleep and sprayed mace in eyes and started sticking me with a good sized knive. Just missed kidneys, lungs and spleen, doc called it a miracle, Stared slashing as I was trying to getout the door and almost cut my elbow off.

    Sun just coming up, I am standing in front of UNLV bleeding to death and luckily someone pulled up, raced to the hospital and I made it.

  222. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Plunk,

    Got that e-mail, but use this one in the future

    raidersfanlv@yahoo.com

  223. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Damn we talking bout terps……wvu is spanking that ass by 21!

  224. BigTed707 Says:

    # Bauce 4 Real Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    BigTed…..yeah but a backup can come in a slice us……also that retard cable said des bryant may start at DT lol…….pitiful we gonna have a 290lb nose tackle playing the run
    ____________________
    Hopefully we see a heavy dose of big John Henderson on 1st and 2nd downs.
    If J-Hendu is on the bench, we will likely get gashed.

  225. TerrapinRaider Says:

    dont rub it in dude.

  226. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Haha plunk a wild guy i take it…..dont feel bad i got many crazy stories all coked out in LA

  227. LT DAN Says:

    Hard to believe you start a rookie and then give up on him after his first game. You know a rookie olineman is going to struggle and that should be part of the thought process before you consider starting him at all. I didnt see the game myself so I dont know how bad he really did other than a couple fum exchanges.

  228. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Terp i wasnt rubbing it in…..u would think ralph would have them more ready than that

  229. Raider O Says:

    Plunk,

    You were a Union Mo… ?!?! ;)
    Now I know why you hate bankers.

  230. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    BigTed….exactly Big John needs to be in on obvious run downs….hell he needs to start the rest of the season! movie seymour to LDE play reggie white role dammit

  231. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    LT DAN…..actually the vets did worse than thE rookie

  232. LT DAN Says:

    Another thing that bugs me is cable saying I thought figurs maybe a cut. We cant figure that out in 4 preseason games? Frustrating! The cowgirls ng is undersized at 308 maybe bryant will be ok. Like the saying goes its on the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog!

  233. Plunketthead Says:

    I have been in three unions
    Culinary
    laborers
    bricklayers
    and I dont have a pension from any of them

  234. LT DAN Says:

    Not good 4 real if our rookie who may not start is playing better than our vets!

  235. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    I need cooper carlisLe to sprain his ankle so BC cab get out there

  236. GG Says:

    NFL.com video about teams starting 0-2 and low percentage of making playoffs…

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81a9d7c6/Most-desperate-team-going-into-Week-2?module=HP_video

  237. LT DAN Says:

    I will say this 4 real. If we are going to get poor oline play we might as well get it from rookies!

  238. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    LT DAN……..jay ratliff is abnormally strong…..des bryant is 18lbs less and gets tossed backwards alot. He is a pass rushing DT…a reserve one at that

  239. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    LT DAN……u better tell Gump to pray for a miracle

  240. LT DAN Says:

    Why the heck is he even being considered then? Henderson all the way. Maybe cable is using “gamesmanship” (sp)to fool the rams as to who is really starting. lol

  241. GG Says:

    The only gamesmanship Tom plays is PC’s to fool the fans.

  242. LT DAN Says:

    to bad RAIDER football is not like a box of choclates. We know we are going to get bad play, and dissappointment. ManI hate being down on my own team but jeez

  243. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Game tomorrow gonna be fun……they win and Ricky’s it shall be……im waiting for mailman to deliver my shhhht then i can go too Vella’s store and see Otis Sistrunk!

  244. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    GG…that is sad but true…..i just refuse to watch anymore pressers win or lose……guy is tragically stupid

  245. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Remember Cable defending Farglass starting?……”there are things he does that outsiders cant see” hahahahahahahahaha

  246. BigTed707 Says:

    Dag Plunk, that’s a helluva story!

  247. LT DAN Says:

    I liked the crash test dummy myself. Ran hard, overcame being a fumbler early in his career. Just didnt have a whole lot of NFL type athleticism.

  248. GG Says:

    Im gonna look for some week one PCs from other losing coaches to post here demonstrating the anti-thesis of “Tom”.

  249. GG Says:

    Mike Singletary…good to compare given they got thumped like we did.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/san-francisco-49ers/09000d5d81a7d201/49ers-postgame-press-conference

  250. GG Says:

    John Fox…i guess a bad loss.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-preseason/09000d5d81a7a0ba/Panthers-postgame-press-conference

  251. GG Says:

    Norv Turner…pretty good…would’ve expected a win…

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-city-chiefs/09000d5d81a859aa/Chargers-postgame-press-conference

  252. LT DAN Says:

    I would like to see cable go off like mora did.

  253. Raider O Says:

    B,

    Tell them you dont eat pork!
    LMAO

  254. GG Says:

    Eric Mangini…another good one…from an org too sick of losing…

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-preseason/09000d5d81a78c59/Browns-postgame-press-conference

  255. GG Says:

    Take into account all those teams above played competitive football. Whereas the Raiders got absolutely smashed.

  256. Raider75 Says:

    # Plunketthead Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    When or if blackouts start affecting the bottom line the NFL will take steps to change things.

    I bet the direct TV money machine will offset the ticket sales.
    If you have Sunday ticket you can watch the game in Oakland, right?
    ……………

    No. Local blackout rules apply on DirecTV as well. Games shown on local channels are blacked out on DirecTV anyway. They force you to watch the game on local channel if available.

    In other words, if game is on local FOX or CBS station on DirecTV, then the 700s channel reserved for NFL Package is blacked out.

    So if local channel is not allowed to carry game, then the NFL Package will be blacked out in local market, but will be on in markets outside local area.

  257. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Lol @ mora comment………” Accountability?! Im just just trying to keep a job!”

  258. LT DAN Says:

    Playoffs?! Playoffs?!

  259. Plunketthead Says:

    Thansk 75

    Thats a real drag. Typical ignorant thinking from the top brass.
    Just loses more fans

  260. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Remember after Jets game? Cable had that moronic John Goodman look from the “Big Lebowski” lying saying he thought Jake Grove out techniqued Kris Jenkins…….anyonee who saw that game knew better. Grove sucks

  261. LT DAN Says:

    Lil Long coming to town this week I was hoping the RAIDERS would be able to draft him. But he really hasnt panned out.

  262. GG Says:

    So then consider what Tom says post-game, and all the stuff he says pre-game thru the week that makes you scratch your head like Veldheer-Satele havent decided yet, or how wednesday he still hasn’t looked at the full film “just going up now to look at the film”.

    He’s like still bumbling about end of the week, taking softly-softly steps towards Sunday. Which shows why in post-game PC’s he often says “lack of preparation”.

  263. LT DAN Says:

    Correct GG a head coach who hasnt watched Sundays game film by Wednesday?

  264. LT DAN Says:

    When does he start watching opponent game film Fridays before the Sunday game?

  265. GG Says:

    The worst Cable talk is often during the week before a game, when he fronts the Bay Area media. He comes out with so many facepalm comments and lack of knowledge/awareness of things going on in the club.

  266. LT DAN Says:

    Hue Jackson next RAIDER hc if Rams beat the RAIDERS this week?

  267. GG Says:

    Definitely. I think Tom has no leg to stand on if Rams win.

  268. Mistabr0wn Says:

    What Nnamdi doesn’t understand….it doesn’t matter who came to town this weekend it wouldn’t be a sellout! Insert Den, NE, New Orleans, Dallas…the game would not be on TV.

    Wakeup Nnamdi, you clowns lay an egg every time we fill the joint. You let another team come into your house and piss allover you guys! We are sick of it…u can have my tix Nnamdi give them away to your favorite charity.
    _____

    “People are probably thinking, you’re playing the Rams, and this is not the Patriots,” Asomugha said

  269. Mistabr0wn Says:

    Great move he really improved the offense!
    _____

    # LT DAN Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Hue Jackson next RAIDER hc if Rams beat the RAIDERS this week?

  270. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Plunkethead, Sunday Ticket is subject to blackout, too. Same rules apply to them as local t.v. It’s in that small print that you usually have your mom read for you.

  271. GG Says:

    Jackson hasn’t vindicated anything yet, but he’s got more get up and go, more fire, and Cable has shown nothing in 21 odd career games. Regression with increase in talent. We know Al can still be difficult, but Cable is like resigned, beaten out of him, trying to drag out his employment etc.

  272. Drexl Says:

    # Mistabr0wn Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Great move he really improved the offense!
    _____

    # LT DAN Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Hue Jackson next RAIDER hc if Rams beat the RAIDERS this week?
    —————————
    Exactly my thought. If we lose to St. Louis I want to replace the entire coaching staff, starting with the conditioning coach. Hammy pull central.

  273. LT DAN Says:

    I will take Gru back. I am guessing al told him he was the guy when/if cable messes up. Otherwise why would he come here to begin with? maybe all the “talent” we have laying around that he can take advantage off?

  274. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    I know people used to use a mailing address or something like that outside of the blackout range and they would still get the game on sunday ticket, but they also got the local t.v. stations of whatever town they lied about being from. Can you still do that or have they caught on to that too?

  275. GG Says:

    Cable on sidelines is very much like Shell Part II on the sidelines.

  276. KoolKell Says:

    Al Davis hiring another Coach would fix everything. lol.

  277. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    LT Dan, Gruden always goes to Rickey’s when he’s in the bay area. He’s good friends with Rickey’s wife. She actually denounced herself as a Raider fan when Gruden was traded and started going to Bucs games with Gruden’s parents. Gruden still has a reserved parking space at Ricky’s.

  278. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    And, Gruden’s in the bay area because he’s doing the Niners/Saints Monday night. His visit means nothing where the RAiders are concerned.

  279. GG Says:

    Does it look like maintaining the current HC is fixing anything? Does it seem like he has the ideas/plans to fix it? Has anything he has done demonstrated something being fixed?

  280. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    Interesting, however, is that Gruden is the only ‘outside the family’, exiled Raider coach who is still cool with the whole Raider culture, whether or not he talks to Al. They say dont’ burn your bridges under the assumption that it’s to your own benefit. But in this case, Gruden may have saved a whole nation of football fans by not burning a bridge. He never said a bad thing about Al. It’s not impossible that he could be back.

  281. LT DAN Says:

    RMR I am not a local RAIDER fan. Not sure what/where Rickeys is, sorry. I was trying to predict a change of HC if we lose and speculating it would be Hue Jackson but really I would like to see chuckie be the HC again. I was unaware that he was in town.

  282. GG Says:

    The running game and run-blocking was better under Kiffin, and with Tom as OL coach. But the pass-blocking (which is THE #1 thing) has gotten worse or maintained the status quo.

    The rush Defense has not improved still. Cant keep discounting “those big unfortunate plays”.

  283. KoolKell Says:

    GG Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Does it look like maintaining the current HC is fixing anything? Does it seem like he has the ideas/plans to fix it? Has anything he has done demonstrated something being fixed?
    ————————————-
    The Organization is Retarded, period.

  284. Plunketthead Says:

    Hater hour at Jerryworld

  285. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

    LT Dan, this visit has nothing to do with the RAiders. But Gruden coming back to the RAiders is not in impossible. Shanahan, Kiffin, clearly burned their bridges with Al. Gruden hasn’t said a bad thing about him. We all know those things go a long way with Al, considering he’s a sensitive baby.

  286. GG Says:

    Look at Belichick for a minute. The Patriots DL and defense overall is said to be shocking this pre-season. So many players going down or holes needing to be filled. Even tho they gave up 24 pts to the Bengals, that’s a high-octane Bengals offense, and they beat them. The defense was not too bad. How did he manage that and in the short space of pre-season? Then, a month or so later, check back in on the Patriots DL/defensive play, and see perhaps dramatic improvement.

    When a good coach puts his mind to something, has the experience and knowledge, he can make leaps and bounds of improvement within a few weeks.

  287. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Al Davis rules!

  288. KoolKell Says:

    Irregardless of the coach:

    The O-lines stinks every year
    The Run Defense stink every year
    OB play stinks every year
    Lead the league in penalties every year
    They look unprofessional every year

    37% of the league goes to the playoffs every year, yet,
    The Raiders have been to the playoffs 6 times in the last 21 years.

  289. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Wow UGA came back down 14 vs Ark…….good game

  290. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    And Al is still a Bauce…….get over it koolkell he is a great owner

  291. Raider75 Says:

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    I know people used to use a mailing address or something like that outside of the blackout range and they would still get the game on sunday ticket, but they also got the local t.v. stations of whatever town they lied about being from. Can you still do that or have they caught on to that too?
    ………..
    lol. I guess this would still work. You can put a dish on a motor-home and take the box anywhere in the country, but like you said, the local channels would be from your home address.

  292. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Haha wow look at that UGA sorority sluts…..they hammered! My kind of bzies lol

  293. KoolKell Says:

    Al Davis’ Measurable’s:

    2 least valuable Franchise in the NFL
    Lowest attendance in the NFL
    6 winning seasons in 21 years
    29-84

  294. Plunketthead Says:

    Mallet stunk the place up when it counted.
    Looked the Raiders out there in the last quarter

  295. GG Says:

    Raiders D has gotta be the Bauce in a game. Stonewalling rush-yards to numbers like 50-70 yards max.

    Raiders pass-OL has gotta be the Bauce in a game. Multiple receivers with multiple catches, first downs ticking over on the 1st and 2nd downs.

  296. GG Says:

    Shell came back, so Gruden is always possible, if unlikely.

  297. HairyBush Says:

    The NFL has grown increasingly concerned about rowdy fans and alcohol abuse. The Bills have joined the Oakland Raiders in a pilot program promoting responsible alcohol use in partnering with Mothers Against Drunk Driving. -Assosciated press
    ——————————-
    What’s wrong with having some drinks and getting rowdy at a game? I think the Raiders need a few more wild fans to show up in the stands and scream there head off!

    I don’t think there is anything wrong with lettin loose and gettin crazy at the stadium, it’s a good release from most of our regular lives. Hang out in the parking lot after the game, eat some food and sober up.

  298. RAIDERMAN99 Says:

    Cable is a good soldier. Probably not a very good head coach, but a good soldier.

    Being a good soldier on Al’s Raiders might be enough if he’s surrounded by the right coordinators and players.

    Tom is in a bad spot though.

    He’s gotta win to keep his job. Problem is he’s got to play General Al Davis’ current pet QB. So Lieutenant Cable is in trouble, because no one is going to win with Jason Terrible at QB.

    Cable should be lobbying his boss to let him play a QB that gives the Raids a chance to win. Only took 3 years to get JaTussin out of there. It probably won’t take that long for Campbell to be relegated to the trash heap. But Al isn’t likely to enjoy Cable telling him Campbell is a turd. Al is going to have to come to that conclusion himself. So Cable will likely be gone before JC.

    Cable being forced to play JC at QB by Davis is the equivalent of a General sending a Captain on a suicide mission.

    That’s not to say that Cable hasn’t contributed to his own demise (if it happens). He’s done a poor job with the OL. I’ve thought his clock management has been decent in the few games where it actually mattered, but if you were watching last week’s game, the decision to take a FG before the half PISSED Al off. It was funny the way CBS happened to be showing Al at the moment the FG decision was made. Al was visibly upset.

    Still, Al is likely to get over this faux pas. After all, Cable has been a loyal soldier. But he’s still gotta win. And that’s MISSION IMPOSSIBLE with Jason Campbell at QB.

    This post will self-destruct in 30 seconds.

  299. Plunketthead Says:

    Mallett looks all pro again. Nice drive

  300. Raider75 Says:

    Al should be looking at Arkansas Razorback QB Ryan Mallett.

  301. LT DAN Says:

    cable is not good at a lot but hes pretty good at drinking beer

  302. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Mallet a damn good pro

  303. Drexl Says:

    # KoolKell Says:
    September 18th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Irregardless of the coach:

    The O-lines stinks every year
    The Run Defense stink every year
    OB play stinks every year
    Lead the league in penalties every year
    They look unprofessional every year

    37% of the league goes to the playoffs every year, yet,
    The Raiders have been to the playoffs 6 times in the last 21 years.
    ——————————-
    Ahhh, the crying game.
    Al eats your tears for nourishment. You are part of his plan for immortality. Long live Al!
    nom, nom, nom,

  304. Plunketthead Says:

    I think I will watch the bugeaters play Lockler and Sarkissian

  305. Plunketthead Says:

    Kiffin against mighty minnesota sounds dull

  306. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Lol drex……kell is a whining loser and is a SNITCH…..be careful of talking against the old man…he gonna put u under an investigation

  307. TerrapinRaider Says:

    man, i dont know if Hue would absolutely make a good hc but he sure sounds more convincing than cable ..like you can actually believe in him

    just watched the presser on raiders.com

  308. Plunketthead Says:

    Florida – Tennesee
    I bet Dooley and his convicts whup the Gators

  309. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Gators vs Vols……..good college games on today

  310. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Plunk…..i got huskies to pull upset

  311. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Hoppefully minny pulls upset in the great North

  312. RAIDERMAN99 Says:

    Think I’ll watch USC/Minn and root for the Gophers, just because I hate Lame Kitten.

    There’s several former Raiders that I hate.

    Kitten is one.

    JaMoron is another.

    But my most hated former Raider of all time…

    Anthony Whoresett.

    A more useless POS has never donned the Silver and Black.

    Anthony Whoresett, my most despised Raider ever !

  313. RAIDERMAN99 Says:

    Colin Kaepernick = poor man’s Vince Young.

  314. Glutten for Punishment Says:

    u want us fans not to feel like we have the last decade Nam????? then blow out the rams like we havnt seen from u all over the last decade

  315. hendu Says:

    Al,please shock the NFL and bring Jon Gruden back as head coach.We havent won since you traded him,and how has that worked out? Coach Gruden should retire as a RAIDER,imo Some of us may buy season tickets again,cmon Al Just sayin

  316. Plunketthead Says:

    Bugeaters are big and real fast

  317. RAIDERMAN99 Says:

    Gruden was a good coach. I think he’s an even better announcer. Enjoy him in the booth. Particularly liked his sit downs with the top 4 QB’s of last year’s draft on ESPN. Good stuff.

    Don’t think Jon is coming back to the Raids though. Think it’s more likely he’ll be a college coach. Georgia is a possibility. Mark Richt is a jerk that should be canned. Gruden wants to be near his parents in Florida.

  318. r8rwill Says:

    to bring gruden back if possible would eliminate any chance for this season.. gruden is west coast remember, this team and and offensive coaches don’t fit.. jackson would have to go because gruden is the oc on his teams… i loved chuckie too. but,,,,, you know this whole thing could blow over tomorrow if cable reveals his secret plan!!!ROLMAO

  319. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Rams starting DT is out vs Raiders…

    http://www.raidernationstation.com/ones_to_watch

  320. LT DAN Says:

    Our oline needs all they help they can get.

  321. hendu Says:

    All Right,in this paper,the new nick name for the Raiders is Silver and Blackouts.Not Funny,sad.I cant think of any player brought in that would change that,however, Jon Gruden as HC could/would,period! IMO As far as west coast offense goes, please,JC checks down ,screens, slants, etc With the coaches on staff, why not?

  322. hendu Says:

    Frig it,let me give Al a call, Priesttj,whats the number? RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  323. r8eray Says:

    bauce?? what happened big dogg?
    didn’t see your email!

  324. BigTed707 Says:

    Frig it – Asomugha for Head Coach!

  325. BigTed707 Says:

    Just kiddin’ Tom, I still gotcha’.
    Rebooting the system at this point would be all fupduck.
    Gotta pull it together and stop shooting ourselves in the foot.

  326. r8rwill Says:

    hendu
    so you think we could install a whole new playbook mid season and win with it?

  327. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    R8eray i did…..my sent mail shoows i sent it to r8eray@yahoo.com……..that was the address right?

  328. raiders22 Says:

    The Rams left defensive tackle Clifton Ryan (migraines) and cornerback Kevin Dockery hamstring) in St. Louis when they boarded a flight for Oakland Saturday, according to Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

    Ryan was downgraded from questionable to out, while Dockery went from doubtful to out.

  329. hendu Says:

    R8rwill, This is week 2,not mid season.Got youre point though,Im just looking at whats worked,just sick of the last 8 years, AFTER Gruden was traded! Hey,maybe Cable and staff will get us to the playoffs,just believe a better chance with Gruden, thats all

  330. hendu Says:

    Oh,I understand its seven losing seasons,but I count Chuckies team ass whipping of our Raiders as well.

  331. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Ray?

  332. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Gruden hahahahaha man that was ten years ago…..let it go ppl!

  333. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    What the hell has gruden ever shown when it comes to developing young talent?

  334. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Im glad we wont see that lame boring dink n dunk chump offense in Oakland

  335. Roch R Says:

    Tomorrow I hope we see more from Campbell tomorrow, I want to see some urgency, some desire. The comparisons to Jim Plunkett this summer were great for nostalgia, but this team needs a QB that compares to Gannon.

    The crowd definitely got to the O-line last week, and you could see the nerves all game on both sides of the ball, but this week we need a little fire, and it has to start with JCampbell.

  336. armond Says:

    bauce whattup youngin? my azz was knocked the fugg out about 10 minutes after i posted. cant believe how stupid this hc is. cant even recoginze what his best oline unit is and thats his specialty. why the fugg doesnt he call out carlisle like he does mario? cc gets his azz whupped every other play.

  337. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Ppl still whining about Gruden. His style of offense is finished in the NFL

  338. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Carlisle is hella weak Armond! ITS NOT EVEN up for debate

  339. Bauce 4 Real Says:

    Why do we need a qb like gannon? Guy wasnt a winner at all

  340. armond Says:

    titans was offsides hella times and seymour was held on that 76 yrd td. the oline has no aggressive attitude. i like V and BC but the rest of these guys just suck. BC shouldve been left at LT to develope instead of RG. if V was suppose to be a C then he shouldve been there since ota’s or atleast training camp. cable was moving guys around where they dont belong for nothing. he said we wouldve taken okung or williams if available at LT. then we draft 2 LTs and dont play them there and we’re suppose to believe he will lead this team. maybe jamarcus wasnt the only 1 on the sizzrup.

  341. hendu Says:

    Yo Bri-n,youre right.Are you and Norco Bob related? All that matters is the tailgate party, right!Just dont enjoy the BLOWOUTS with this coaching staff,period! That said,I will be looking for you guys Sun mornin. Raiders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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