Raiders live chat Tuesday at noon
By Jon Becker
Monday, September 20th, 2010 at 5:40 pm in Live chats, Oakland Raiders.
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September 20th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
first to say great win
September 20th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
I’ll tell you the tell tale play of the game for me…
The protection broke down, (either Veldheer or Henderson), and the Rams Defensive end was bearing down on Gradkowski from his blind side.
Grads sensed the pressure coming, scrambled away from the defender, eluded the tackle and threw the ball away, instead of taking the sack.
After I saw that, I was good for the the rest of the game, because we all know Campbell would have taken that sack.
Good QB’s have an internal clock and can sense pressure. Campbell has not proven that he can do that yet. He holds on to the ball entirely too long and cannot sense the pressure coming. That is a trait woefully reminiscent of Jabustus Russell.
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This is the problem i have with some of you guys on here. if JC had checked down and got a good 3-4 yds on the play some on here would have complained that he checks down too much and doesnt hang in there when pressured. But if he is waiting for a play to develop on a 5-7 step drop and looking for a receiver, protection breaks down, and he gets sacked then he is holdng the ball too long. Grads had a nice game but i just think after the terrible game we had week 1 us fans were looking for a ray of hope and for our own version of Rudy to get into the game.
September 20th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
severeraiderz
the system is new for Bruce also who was injured and missed time.
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Thats a has a lot of spin. Bruce hasnt been PLAYING in the system as along but he has been LEARNING the system since HueJack was hired some 200 somethin days ago. He also has the advantage of having almost a year and a half of experience with these players. Murphy and DHB and Run DMC all missed camp time and an oppurtunity to get their timing down with a new QB. Timing that Grads had already established.
September 20th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Jerry has been busy today.
September 20th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
big pep Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
there not going to dog him, remember how they used to back up j.r. to the media, knowing dam right and well everybody on that team hated his lazy guts.
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Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha had this strange reaction: “The thing is, we might have been down 7-3, it could have been 7-6. So it wasn’t like we were getting killed by the Rams, so I guess that’s why it would be surprising.
“But at the same time, it’s good that the offense didn’t let it mess up what they were doing. They were still able to run the ball, still able to move the ball with Bruce. So as long as it works out, I think everybody’s OK with it.”
September 20th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Raiders!
September 20th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
If Al Davis will continue to let Hue Jackson pound the rock, it will be better for both QB’s.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
With Gradkowski starting, we have a chance to win.
With Campbell starting, we lose.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Kirk Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
With Gradkowski starting, we have a chance to win.
With Campbell starting, we lose.
its a team effort campbell gradkowski boller frye all =wins
September 20th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
I will be in AZ, and so will my man Bruce behind center.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
I’ll tell you the tell tale play of the game for me…
The protection broke down, (either Veldheer or Henderson), and the Rams Defensive end was bearing down on Gradkowski from his blind side.
Grads sensed the pressure coming, scrambled away from the defender, eluded the tackle and threw the ball away, instead of taking the sack.
After I saw that, I was good for the the rest of the game, because we all know Campbell would have taken that sack.
Good QB’s have an internal clock and can sense pressure. Campbell has not proven that he can do that yet. He holds on to the ball entirely too long and cannot sense the pressure coming. That is a trait woefully reminiscent of Jabustus Russell.
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This is the problem i have with some of you guys on here. if JC had checked down and got a good 3-4 yds on the play some on here would have complained that he checks down too much and doesnt hang in there when pressured. But if he is waiting for a play to develop on a 5-7 step drop and looking for a receiver, protection breaks down, and he gets sacked then he is holdng the ball too long. Grads had a nice game but i just think after the terrible game we had week 1 us fans were looking for a ray of hope and for our own version of Rudy to get into the game.
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Thanks for clarifying that you were talking about me Severe.
However you are comparing apples and oranges.
For the record, I’m NOT one of the guys that would have complained if JC had checked down and gotten 4 yds instead of taking a sack.
Let’s see…I 4 yrd pickup, or a sack. I think we all would agree with the 4 yd pickup.
I’m talking about sensing pressure and either throwing the ball away, or making a quick decisive throw.
What you are talking about has absolutely nothing to do with my post that you pasted here.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I never was a big Campbell fan. I am well aware of his criticism having lived in the DC area for a while. Campbell is a checkdown maestro and he does not have good anticipation; meaning he holds the ball when it should have been released.
I remember film being broke down on him where they clearly showed how the ball is late getting out. The ball was late getting out to Murphy on that INT. It should have been released much earlier in Murphy’s route.
I was not a Bruce G. fan either. I thought of him as a backup. But I cannot sit here and tell you that he does not give the team the best chance to win. He makes things happen out there. He moves the offense noticeably better than Campbell.
And its not that Bruce was here before Campbell. This is a new offense. PERIOD! The only advantage Bruce really has is he’s more familiar with the players – not the offense. They both got about the same time with the offense (considering BG’s injury) and Campbell probably got the most playing time with the 1s.
There is no controversy. Start the player that gives you the best chance to win. Judging from what we see so far that player has go to be Bruce.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Listen the only thing that matters is wins……….period
Wether it’s Grads or JC “just win baby” you guy’s are spending all this time arguing about who starts. Let the coaches coach………..period
September 20th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Campbell had 6 quarters to throw a TD pass and failed miserably.
Grads came in and threw one within 2 possessions.
Some of you need to take your heads out of the ground and watch the actual game for a change.
Play the players that can get the job done, bottom line.
Gruden drafted Grads. Gruden and Al drafted Gannon. Neither one of them had rocket arms, but they were decisive, elusive, and accurate.
I’ll take that any day over what I saw for the first 6 quarters of our season so far this year.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Let Bruce play …hopefully we get some wins and get some confidence back in this organization. This is bigger than Campbell. We need that more than him at this point. A confident group of players that know they can win and more importantly knows how goes a long way in this league.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
What you are talking about has absolutely nothing to do with my post that you pasted here.
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Re-read my post and and seriously say we were talking about different things. You were complaining about JC not sensing the pressure, he does. When he senses the pressure he runs (he had a nice first down run sunday) or he gets it to his safety valve.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
first to say great win
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You’re joking right?
September 20th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Campbell had 6 quarters to throw a TD pass and failed miserably.
Grads came in and threw one within 2 possessions.
Some of you need to take your heads out of the ground and watch the actual game for a change.
Play the players that can get the job done, bottom line.
Gruden drafted Grads. Gruden and Al drafted Gannon. Neither one of them had rocket arms, but they were decisive, elusive, and accurate.
I’ll take that any day over what I saw for the first 6 quarters of our season so far this year.
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Gannon was drafted by philly i believe and later either released or traded because they wanted him to move to WR. Gannon drafted Grads, but he also convinced Al to use a second rounder on Tui.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
first to say great win
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You’re joking right?
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Yeah, i thougth that was obvious.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
T’pin
Gradkowski has a much better repore with these players and that makes a ton of difference. Campbell is trying to establish that. You can see it as he tries to anticipate his throws are inaccurate.That’s call timing. On those deep throws it shows. Whenever a QB has been in as many systems in a short period of time like Campbell it dramatically affects there development. That is not an excuse it’s a definite issue that he has to overcome. You can see it in his processing the play he not sure of himself.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
thought*
September 20th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
September 20th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
T’pin
Gradkowski has a much better repore with these players and that makes a ton of difference. Campbell is trying to establish that. You can see it as he tries to anticipate his throws are inaccurate.That’s call timing. On those deep throws it shows. Whenever a QB has been in as many systems in a short period of time like Campbell it dramatically affects there development. That is not an excuse it’s a definite issue that he has to overcome. You can see it in his processing the play he not sure of himself.
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Great post I completely agree on all points.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Campbell looks like he doesn’t know what he’s seeing. Frozen and can’t act.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
T’pin
Gradkowski has a much better repore with these players and that makes a ton of difference. Campbell is trying to establish that. You can see it as he tries to anticipate his throws are inaccurate.That’s call timing. On those deep throws it shows. Whenever a QB has been in as many systems in a short period of time like Campbell it dramatically affects there development. That is not an excuse it’s a definite issue that he has to overcome. You can see it in his processing the play he not sure of himself.
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I can concede that …that the timing factor with the WRs is a major issue and something could very well have a leg up on.
However, I can only keep coming back to his criticisms in Washington that I noted earlier. Until he proves he has overcome that (which he has not insofar); I cannot assume that its JUST a timing issue.
They showed re-runs of the plays and BG was releasing the ball even before the WR broke free. Something Campbell just doesn’t do.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Gannon was drafted by NE as a safety.
Campbell needs time that’s all in the meantime play Grads……………simple.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
If Campbell wants to have some sustainability with his coaches he needs to stop getting them fired by winning 35% of his games.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
yeah it’s all his fault…………what a freakin’ joke!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
‘Skins made the playoffs in 2005, his rookie year when he didn’t play. They made it in 2007, when he got hurt at the end of the year and they went 4-0 under Todd Collins (is he even in the league anymore) and I bet they make it this year.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
tj has more personalities than 5 Mariah Carey’s.
tj how many pairs of flip flops do you own ?
September 20th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Hw many swatikas do you own?
September 20th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
tj, your on the race card already? Its like 2nd nature for you now eh
September 20th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Very bizarre use of their timeouts by the Saints.
Guess when you are the World Champs you have some coaching “capital”
September 20th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
‘Skins made the playoffs in 2005, his rookie year when he didn’t play. They made it in 2007, when he got hurt at the end of the year and they went 4-0 under Todd Collins (is he even in the league anymore) and I bet they make it this year.
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I lived in the DC area and trust me they wanted Campbell to be successful and had all the hope in the world. He just never got better per say. Same issues plagued him throughout – holding ball too long, checking down and not attacking, not anticipating.
Part of his issues had to do with the Oline, another had to do with the changes in systems (some which he didn’t fit) but those were the critiques.
Sometimes you get players that you “hope” will some day be great and live up to potential but they never seem to do it. Queue J.Russell; Jeff George, et al.
Lets stop hoping and start winning.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Yeah when it comes to people like you.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
People like me?
I never get racial tj its always you.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
tj,
You dont like people like me because I remind you of the silly knuckleheaded things you say in here on a daily basis. Race has nothing to do with anything its your crutch.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Look if he makes it he makes it. Frankly I don’t like what I see so far. If it doesn’t get better it was worth the try and it he does get better BANANZA!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
I’m out: Keep Bruce playing until Campbell proves he’s better.
DHB is the man and if he keeps up this kind of progression; he will be one of the better WRs in the League.
DMC new found ‘greatness’ is making me not wanting the coach to take away his carries. This guy has become a workhorse with the added benefit of explosive-type plays.
Its amazing how these things turn around.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
No I don’t like YOU…………period
September 20th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
The ol drunk Priest has the market CORNERED on saying knuckleheaded things. He has NEVER been correct in any post.
September 20th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Have another ode E Priest.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Terrapin,
My brother lives in Maryland, Silver Springs, and called me about 5 minutes after the trade and told me we got took for a 4th round pick.
I disagreed at the time, but as I started to watch him, read about him, and look at his stats, he was pretty spot on.
Number one complaint was his checkdowns, and that he plays to his competition. Play the Saints?? Looks damn good. Play the Chiefs and Lions??? Lose and get benched.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Let me really stir things up. Next year, Michael Vick is a free agent. He’s not the starter at the Eagles and won’t be. It certainly appears that he’s changed his ways and is now a pass first QB instead of a running QB. I think JCampbell will need minimally one year in our system to learn it and to be able to be productive. Grads is already productive but can he make it through a full season with injuries? Boller is an unknown quantity at this point. The O-line is abysmal but there are some rookies that may help.If we can draft Mike Pouncey, C in the 2nd round next year we may have the nucleus of a decent line with Veldheer & BCampbell coming of age. Conceivably, we could have Veldheer, Gallery, Pouncey, Loper, BCampbell. DMac is now coming of age and hopefully Bush will join him. Our WR’s appear to be maturing and should be very effective by next year. All that leaves is the need for a productive QB. Will AD go after Vick? Maybe he will. That would certainly make things interesting. That would also appear to be an offense that should be able o move the ball & score some points.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
The Oscar goes to : Bruce Gradkowski, in “a little push, is worth 15 yards.” A Polish pop gun production..
It was fugly, but man it was nice to have a smile all day on Monday……
September 20th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Campbell had 6 quarters to throw a TD pass and failed miserably.
Grads came in and threw one within 2 possessions.
Some of you need to take your heads out of the ground and watch the actual game for a change.
Play the players that can get the job done, bottom line.
Gruden drafted Grads. Gruden and Al drafted Gannon. Neither one of them had rocket arms, but they were decisive, elusive, and accurate.
I’ll take that any day over what I saw for the first 6 quarters of our season so far this year.
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Dude…
Gannon was drafted by New England!!
September 20th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
JB
I like your ideas and agree, I have no real issues with Campbell YET. But if he doesn’t get it done no biggie we have 3 decent QB’s. He’s not a bad QB he may not be a great one but he’s not bad. Like Cable said we’re going to need them all probably. I would love to get Vick. I also like Boller so I’m not all Campbell has to be it. I’ll take Grads for now no problem until the end of the seaon and see what he has.
If we get the Oline fixed we can do whatever we want because I firmly believe all 3 have a chance if the Oline is good.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
# priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
JB
I like your ideas and agree, I have no real issues with Campbell YET. But if he doesn’t get it done no biggie we have 3 decent QB’s. He’s not a bad QB he may not be a great one but he’s not bad. Like Cable said we’re going to need them all probably. I would love to get Vick. I also like Boller so I’m not all Campbell has to be it. I’ll take Grads for now no problem until the end of the seaon and see what he has.
If we get the Oline fixed we can do whatever we want because I firmly believe all 3 have a chance if the Oline is good.
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EVERY successful Raider team has been built around a DOMINANT Powerful O-line. It all begins at the LOS. Big Uglies DO make the difference. Win the LOS and 99% of the time you win the game.
Right now it appears Grads is the most effective QB primarily because he has adapted to their weakness and has compensated with his feet and quicker releases. He also appears, at the moment, to be the real leader in the huddle. Let’s let him play until he deserves not to play. JCampbell just needs to get more comfortable with our system and to grow in skill sets beyond his current level. He needs to learn how to become the real leader of the gang. Perhaps by watching Grads, he’ll figure it out. He’s not a bad guy, just a new guy figuring things out.
We are so much better off this year at QB. Things ARE getting better. Props to TC for having the balls to pull JCampbell at halftime and make the QB change. It made the difference.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
playing against JFB (Vegas) in Dell’s FF league
was down 17 points heading into tonight …
JFB has Meachem.
I have P Thomas, Shockey & Crabtree
RB Thomas has 43 total yards in the first half.
Meachem, Shockey & Crabtree = ZILCH!
not a good start. come on guys, get it together
September 20th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
September 20th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
T’pin
Gradkowski has a much better repore with these players and that makes a ton of difference. Campbell is trying to establish that. You can see it as he tries to anticipate his throws are inaccurate.That’s call timing. On those deep throws it shows. Whenever a QB has been in as many systems in a short period of time like Campbell it dramatically affects there development. That is not an excuse it’s a definite issue that he has to overcome. You can see it in his processing the play he not sure of himself.
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Great post I completely agree on all points.
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And this familiaritythat Grads has with his offense allows him to get out of the pocket, sense the pressure and make the right reads in a quick and timely fashion.
The more you talk Severe, the more you just prove my point.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
The wind in SF is hell to deal with and it’s slowing the Saints offense down. The niners have a chance to beat them if they stop turning it over.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Broncos confirm passing of Kenny McKinley
Posted by Mike Florio on September 20, 2010 9:35 PM ET
The Denver Broncos have issued a statement acknowledging the death of 23-year-old receiver Kenny McKinley.
‘Everyone with the Broncos is shocked and saddened by the loss of Kenny McKinley,” owner Pat Bowlen said in a team-issued release. “He was part of the Broncos’ family and will be greatly missed by our organization. My most heartfelt condolences go out to Kenny’s family and friends.”
Added coach Josh McDaniels, “Kenny had a promising future on the football field, but more importantly, he was a great teammate whose smile and personality could light up the room. This is a tragic loss for our football team, and his family is in all of our thoughts and prayers during this difficult time.”
FOX 31 in Denver has reported that the apparent cause of death was suicide.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Quick question..Did AD or the coaches bring in JC? I’ve read a few posts lately suggesting that it was Al.
Just wondering.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Crabby caught one!
September 20th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
# priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Gannon was drafted by NE as a safety.
Campbell needs time that’s all in the meantime play Grads……………simple.
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Thanks Priest. I said that Gruden drafted Gannon and that was incorrect. I meant acquired for the Raiders. Not drafted into the NFL.
Grads helps us win RIGHT NOW. Some people in here seem to have more loyalty for specific players than for the team as a whole.
Whoever can get the job done needs to play. Grads had a brief opportunity and in that brief period, he outplayed Campbell, plain and simple. He deserves to be the starter right now.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
MLB teams do it to pitchers all the time. Maybe Cable is on to something.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
# priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Gannon was drafted by NE as a safety.
Campbell needs time that’s all in the meantime play Grads……………simple.
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excuses excuses. The guy was given all the opps in 5 years. he is just like Alex Smith. excuses excuses. Given more time with the first unit than Grad in a new system. Grad outplayed him.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
That’s how I see it I just want to win, whoever they put in there I’m for Grads will do just fine by me. If Campbell ever gets it together if not ……….so be it.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
SF takes the lead. who was saying earlier today that they’d get “blown out” by the Saints?
I questioned the NO secondary and Smith just scorched them with 2 big passes to Crab & Davis!
September 20th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Raiders for life Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Quick question..Did AD or the coaches bring in JC? I’ve read a few posts lately suggesting that it was Al.
Just wondering.
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It was AD all day. He anointed him the starter before the first pass in OTA.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
# Raiders for life Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Quick question..Did AD or the coaches bring in JC? I’ve read a few posts lately suggesting that it was Al.
Just wondering.
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Don’t think you’ll ever know for sure. I think it was a byproduct of his availability due to the trade for McNabb, our need for a starting QB (now that JaLoser was finally dispatched) & the relatively inexpensive cost (a fourth round pick). Grads & Frye were and are still considered on the fragile side and Boller was a last minute add-on. My guess it was a consensus decision to go after him.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
If you want to run a real an NFL team, then Mike Vick is not your guy. The guy is a street baller. Never throws on time or back shoulder passes. He is always waiting for the guy to open first or run with it. They showed one play where he took 8 seconds to get the pass off by running around.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
right now:
Brees 15/20 144 yards TD
Smith 15/18 195 yards TD
who would have thunk it ???
September 20th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
go Pierre!
September 20th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
@ 60
JB,That does make sense because Cable didn’t get fired today for benching JC.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Sean Peyton is one hell of a playcaller……….god that guy is good. he has switched this offense up 3 times almost. They know they can’t throw into the wind and they just ran screens.
Beautiful!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
You can’t fire a coach for winning but you sure can fire him for losing. Cable was desperate and pulled the trigger. The score was close enough and if we lost the game, Cable would have been fired.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
trade Nnamdi Asomugha and every pick in next years draft for Sean Peyton!
September 20th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
JB Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Let me really stir things up. Next year, Michael Vick is a free agent. He’s not the starter at the Eagles and won’t be. It certainly appears that he’s changed his ways and is now a pass first QB instead of a running QB. I think JCampbell will need minimally one year in our system to learn it and to be able to be productive. Grads is already productive but can he make it through a full season with injuries? Boller is an unknown quantity at this point. The O-line is abysmal but there are some rookies that may help.If we can draft Mike Pouncey, C in the 2nd round next year we may have the nucleus of a decent line with Veldheer & BCampbell coming of age. Conceivably, we could have Veldheer, Gallery, Pouncey, Loper, BCampbell. DMac is now coming of age and hopefully Bush will join him. Our WR’s appear to be maturing and should be very effective by next year. All that leaves is the need for a productive QB. Will AD go after Vick? Maybe he will. That would certainly make things interesting. That would also appear to be an offense that should be able o move the ball & score some points.
…………………….with low attendance thats what we need animal rights people protesting outside the stadium!!!!!!!!or more of a qb controversy!!!sheeeeeeeze
September 20th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Cable is on the hot seat, but he won’t be fired until the bye week.
I don’t see why you guys are so pumped to see him gone though.
What do we know about Sanjay Lal, the next HC?
September 20th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
But at the same time, even though I believe that Grads gives us the best chance to win, I feel that it is still a band aid solution to a gun shot wound.
If you think back to the beginning of the millenium and that playoff and Superbowl run that the Raiders had, there are two key components that those teams had that we have not had for the past 7 years.
Those two components are a Probowl caliber Center, and a probowl caliber left tackle. People may not realize it, but Barrett Robbins and Lincoln Kennedy are two huge reasons why Gannon had the success that he had.
Until Al Davis address these issues on our line, all three of our QB’s will continue to struggle.
Our success as a team is directly releted to how long it will take us to acquire, or develop a Very Good Center and Left Tackle.
Like I been saying…Fix the O-Line, Win the Division.
If Al Davis truly has a Commitment to Excellence and just wants to Win Baby, he will do whatever it takes to fix that offensive line, ASAP.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Ha Rockstar!!!
I bet you thought that was Shockey.
Wrong white TE
September 20th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
al davis built john madden into a great coach tom cable is a al davis work in progress!!!!!!!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Lincoln Kennedy was our RT.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
JFB
I’m only down 7 points now
I knew this would be close
September 20th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Unless Tom socks Al in the mouth and throws him through a table!!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
I think Pierre is going to get me right here.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Cable has done a good job of not embarrassing Al in his comments. Cable has been very politically correct and saved himself so far. He has done his best under the stupid circumstances Al put him in. I know in my heart Grad is Cable’s guy but Al forced Jalwarus II on him.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Raiders for life Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Unless Tom socks Al in the mouth and throws him through a table!!!!
………………to get too al davis cable has to go thru al davis body gaurd amy trask……
September 20th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Hopefully the LT search is over with Veldheer pushing Mario to play better. Now we have options at the position if Mario struggles you have somewhere to go. if Veldheer struggles likewise. Satele will do at C until we can upgrade that position.
So the Oline is under construction as we speak.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
13:30 left!
throw it to Divatree …
September 20th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Frank Gore is having his way tonight … whew
September 20th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
13:30 left!
throw it to Divatree
……………………closet whiners fan?
September 20th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
closet whiners fan?
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fatty, go read the last 50 posts
JFB and I have a fantasy football game right now thats going down to the wire!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Saints ball with 11 minutes left and a 5 point lead
feed Pierre!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
8:50 left – got Crabs? Smith does
throw him the doggone ball!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
LOL….pretty crappy played game in all honesty.
Tons of tipped passes, weird plays, and lots of punts
September 20th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
7:13 left. 49ers to punt?
feed Shock & Pierre!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
It’s the WIND!! it causes all kinds of problems when you’re going against it.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Reggie Bush is feeling the hurt from all those Heisman winners past and present.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
7 minutes to go and I still need 7 points …
JFB, I’m starting to get nervous!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
It’s the WIND!! it causes all kinds of problems when you’re going against it.
…………………its the autumn wind its a pirate………
September 20th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
Reggie Bus didn’t do anything more or less than other previous winners. They’ve always said USC players had to take a pay cut when they went to the pros. I suspect that holds true for a majority of the football factory colleges.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
Whup, Whup.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
crap, all these punts are KILLING me
tick tock, tick tock. time is a wastin’
September 20th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Nice try Niners but you’re still 0-2. Whup! Whup! Whup!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
Throw it to Meachem!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
“We WILL stop Drew Brees” “We will stop the run”.
-Mike Singletary
You forgot one thing Mr. Pantsless- You WILL be 0-2!
Whup! Whup!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
punch it in Pierre!
1 yard line
September 20th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
One yard for victory Rock.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
this better not end with a FG
September 20th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
That’s what you get for cheating on Kim Reggie!!!
The Kardashian curese lives on
September 20th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Yes!!!!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
i think i need a timeout as well
Dakota got any extra blood pressure meds?
September 20th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Alex Smith is gonna try to march downfield now against a Saints prevent defense. probably ends up throwing another INT and Brees ends it with a few kneel downs
still holding out hope for Crabtree though!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
My favorite football team is the Oakland Raiders.
My second favorite team is what ever team is playing the Niners.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Anyone in sonoma county going to the Arizona game?
September 20th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
My third favorite team is a tie between whatever team is playing the Chargers and the Patriots.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
2 minute drill. if Smith can find Divatree for six, I win
so basically, chnaces are slim to none
September 20th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
almost at midfield… hope Morgan & Davis are blanketed from here on out!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
21 yard line. get open Diva!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
crap!
I lost … unless SF converts this 2 point and takes it to OT ???
September 20th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
We still have a problem at center. Satele is back-up material at best. If Veldheer is going to be used at LT then he can’t be the center. How about picking up Justin Hartwig, the starting center for the Steelers that was released in favor of Maurike Pouncey. Hartwig would be a definite upgrade from Satele. He’s got 1-2 years left in the tank so if we were able to draft Mike Pouncey next year with our 2nd round pick, he could learn under Hartwig and eventually move in full time at center.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Frank Gore is a beast. I’d give it to him
2 points in the bag
September 20th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
I’ve gotta say it looked the Niners outplayed ‘em. They still lose though.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
# JB Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
We still have a problem at center. Satele is back-up material at best. If Veldheer is going to be used at LT then he can’t be the center. How about picking up Justin Hartwig, the starting center for the Steelers that was released in favor of Maurike Pouncey. Hartwig would be a definite upgrade from Satele. He’s got 1-2 years left in the tank so if we were able to draft Mike Pouncey next year with our 2nd round pick, he could learn under Hartwig and eventually move in full time at center.
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This makes so much sense that Cable probably won’t do it.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Maybe I spoke too soon.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Alex Smith is finally growing up. It took him all this time to get the same OC 2 years in a row and he’s starting to show signs.
The same can be true with Jason Campbell
September 20th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
The 49ers kicked the Saints bootie! What a defensive performance. We better be ready for heck in Week 6!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
# JB Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
We still have a problem at center. Satele is back-up material at best. If Veldheer is going to be used at LT then he can’t be the center. How about picking up Justin Hartwig, the starting center for the Steelers that was released in favor of Maurike Pouncey. Hartwig would be a definite upgrade from Satele. He’s got 1-2 years left in the tank so if we were able to draft Mike Pouncey next year with our 2nd round pick, he could learn under Hartwig and eventually move in full time at center.
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If that happened then Veldheer or Henderson can compete for the LT spot. The other could go to RT. Walker moved to Guard.
Immediate problem solved.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
tied up. throw it to Shockey!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
September 20th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
T’pin
Gradkowski has a much better repore with these players and that makes a ton of difference. Campbell is trying to establish that. You can see it as he tries to anticipate his throws are inaccurate.That’s call timing. On those deep throws it shows. Whenever a QB has been in as many systems in a short period of time like Campbell it dramatically affects there development. That is not an excuse it’s a definite issue that he has to overcome. You can see it in his processing the play he not sure of himself.
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Great post I completely agree on all points.
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And this familiaritythat Grads has with his offense allows him to get out of the pocket, sense the pressure and make the right reads in a quick and timely fashion.
The more you talk Severe, the more you just prove my point
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You sound foolish…..i never said gradkowski couldn’t. WTF are you talking about, the issue is the hypocrisy that you and others show toward JC. If he checks down he’s not doing his job, not letting the play develop and playing scared, if he takes a sack he cant feel the pressure or he is holding the ball too long. Some of you guys are chasing your tails. I never took anything away from Grads, i think JC is a better QB, but right now Grads is the better QB for this team. I can see how one could make a case for either to start.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Drew finds Pierre twice on short passes, NICE!
50 seconds left
September 20th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
HAHAHAHAHA….GAME BEOTCH!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
You guys see why the backshoulder throw is a VERY BIG WEAPON. That’s waht Bruce does and Jason can never do.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Bottom line, though: 4 fatal turnovers!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
43 seconds. in whiners territory
hoping this thing doesn’t end in a FG
September 20th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
block the FG!
shank it Hartley!
September 20th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
JFB, good game
looks like you beat me by 4 points!
you’re 2-0
I’m 0-2
September 20th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Niners lose 25-22. Last minute FG for Saints.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Niners will be bleeding after this they should’ve won this game hands down.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Thomas, Shockey & Crabtree didn’t get it done
I needed 17 points and got 13 out of them
September 20th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
g’nite gents – 11pm in Podunk
September 20th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Peace out…..if we start jason its not the end of the world and it actually is the best decision that can be made. If he stinks it up we make another switch at halftime and the legend of bruce almighty grows. If he plays well then we got our starting QB back on track. Its really an win win especially on the road where JC wont face hometown boos. Goodnight all and great week to be a fan
September 20th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
niners choke. whoop!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Peace out…..if we start jason its not the end of the world and it actually is the best decision that can be made. If he stinks it up we make another switch at halftime and the legend of bruce almighty grows. If he plays well then we got our starting QB back on track. Its really an win win especially on the road where JC wont face hometown boos. Goodnight all and great week to be a fan
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And I’m wondering what performance you have seen from Campbell that has EARNED him the right to be the starter over Gradkowski.
I’ll wait.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
SevereRaiderz
You’re as right as anyone else in here they argue like Grads is Drew Brees and he’s not. If the difference were that HUGE then it would be an open and shut case but it’s not. Campbell could do as well if given the time to do so.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Grads should start because he’s earned the right to do so. JCampbell needs to grow into the starting position. Right now, Grads gives us the best chance to win. And, that’s why we are there – to WIN!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
“Campbell could do as well if given the time to do so”-Sorry,but that hasn’t been proven yet.It is possible over time JC could be a good QB,but it is just as possible that what we see now is all we will ever get.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
SevereRaiderz
…… Campbell could do as well if given the time to do so.
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Dude, you’re a moron. Campbell and Grad had to learn a new system. Cable admitted and we all knew that Campbell had more time with the new system than Grad due to injury as well as annointed starter status by Al Davis.
Face it. Jawalrus II has never gotten it done in his career when given all the opportunities and now you continue to make excuses for him. The only time he won was when he was surrounded by studs like Ronnie Brown and Cadillac at Auburn. You can clearly see that JC is a very slow player. His reads are slow and his windup is a windmill as well. Get over it. Grad is better.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
But that doesn’t mean they can’t win with Campbell, yes Grads has better command but he easier to gameplan as well IMO. Campbell can win games it’s not like we’re lost with him in there I think he’ll get better and better week by week.
As I said I’m OK with either of them. So I’m not going to denegrate either one for the other.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
SevereRaiderz
You’re as right as anyone else in here they argue like Grads is Drew Brees and he’s not. If the difference were that HUGE then it would be an open and shut case but it’s not. Campbell could do as well if given the time to do so.
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Imagine how good Grads could be if he had a o-line and time to do so.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Grad is easier to gameplan? You mean like Pitt and Cinci gameplanned for Jawalrus instead of Grad? The man gets it done period.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Priest and Severe, Nobody says Grads is Drew Brees. We just know that he has the intangibles that Jason Campbell does not have as an Oakland Raider. He has “pocket presence.” He doesn’t spike the ball into the dirt when nobody is near him. 99.9% of us will be in disbelief if Campbell takes the opening snap in Arizona!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
and no they cannot win with Jawalrus II. Show me where in the NFL someone has proven that they can win with Jawalrus II after all the opportunities given to him.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Aig, Keep it clean. No reason to call Jason Campbell names. He’s much more than the QB “whose name shall not be mentioned.”
September 20th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Grads does seem to have the Gannon-like leadership & take-charge ability. He’s able to motivate the players to get the most out of them.
JCampbell doesn’t give off the same vibes.
I agree that JCampbell seems to take a little more time in making the reads but that may simply be his newness relationship with the WR’s. Grads had the benefit of playing & practicing with most of them last year and that would make a difference.
I think the biggest difference I see is that JC goes into the huddle and is one of the guys. Grads goes into the huddle and IS the guy. Leadership command & control makes all the difference.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Beach,
I hear you. My take on Jason is he is just a hard working version of Russell. That is why I call him Jawalrus II. I respect that he works hard but he plays just like Russell. Slow to read and long delivery motion. Zero fire and way too quiet for a leader. Brees, Manning’s, Brady, Ryan and all the good QB’s in this league are in your face high intensity guys. JC is not one of them. He is overrated and has been afforded many opportunities to get it done.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
JB,
Grad ran a draw up the middle, got blasted, and got up firing up his teammates. You and I know the D feeds off of that.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Here has to be Cables’ decission:
HHHmmmmmmmmmm. The line will break down. I can’t fix it overnight, heck no, not even in the next week or to.
Since we’ll fail at protecting our QB, who gives us the best chance to run a busted play?
No brainer. Now I just pray he doesn’t get hurt.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
All I know is…..That if Grads does’nt take over in the second half….we would have more than likely lost that game!!! As sure as I could be!!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Absolutely right Raider Dee. There was no fire and no momentum with JC in there. Just look at the WR’s production.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
One comment that disturbs me about those that want to give Campbell a chance say he needs “more time.” The fact is that we can’t afford it. We need to win NOW and not let another season go in the tank! He was given the job in May and now we are in late September. That shows a poor job of getting prepared for the regular season.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
I know that Cable will be starting JC again vs the Cardnals…..but if we have a repeat….. I say hand the team over to Grads!!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
JB,
Grad ran a draw up the middle, got blasted, and got up firing up his teammates. You and I know the D feeds off of that.
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I’m not sure of the point you are making. I’ve read your post a couple of times but I’m not understanding the example you are citing. I didn’t get to see all the game so I may have missed something you are describing. I think I know he point you are making but I’m not sure.
Bottom line, I believe Grads has a way of getting the best out of the people playing around him. I believe our D also feeds off of his success so his presence in the game has been a BIG deal on both sides of the ball.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Quarterback talent is between the ears.
The ball has to be out in less than 3 seconds, otherwise disaster strikes.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Peace out…..if we start jason its not the end of the world and it actually is the best decision that can be made. If he stinks it up we make another switch at halftime and the legend of bruce almighty grows. If he plays well then we got our starting QB back on track. Its really an win win especially on the road where JC wont face hometown boos. Goodnight all and great week to be a fan
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And I’m wondering what performance you have seen from Campbell that has EARNED him the right to be the starter over Gradkowski.
I’ll wait.
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I made the argument in the very post you responded to….are you slow.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I could see al davis literally breathing down cables neck…… Go with Grads cable….If your winning the old man wont fire you!! If you go with JC and lose…. you will lose your job anyway!!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I’m a fan of the Raiders more than of certain players although like everyone I have my favorite players.I believe Gradkowski should be starting because he has earned it.He outplayed JC in the pre-season and in the 1 game they both performed.My question is what has JC done in a Raider uniform that warrants the loyalty being given him by some?I don’t dislike the guy,but clearly another player has played better than him at the same position.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
# priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Listen the only thing that matters is wins……….period
Wether it’s Grads or JC “just win baby” you guy’s are spending all this time arguing about who starts. Let the coaches coach………..period
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Shut up, you freaking hypocrite.
It was YOU that came on here, LAST YEAR, when Grad replaced that sorry joke, JR, that you followed like a little lap dog, and criticized the decision…NOW YOU’RE SAYING JUST LET THE COACHES COACH?
lol…you’re so slow you can’t even remember what a hypocrite you are…
Here…this sound familiar, hypocrite?
· priesttj Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Don’t gorget we’re watching the great Gradkowski, the next Gannon.
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· priesttj Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Should we put Russell in now or later, why watse snaps on this lame?
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priesttj Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
WOW, can it get any worse this guy Grad is tooo small and to weak…………period
Cable, admit you’re a FOOL and put the kid back in there………period
September 20th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
JB…
What aig is saying is that…positive things happen when Grads is in ther….and the rest of the team feeds off him!!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Peace out…..if we start jason its not the end of the world and it actually is the best decision that can be made. If he stinks it up we make another switch at halftime and the legend of bruce almighty grows. If he plays well then we got our starting QB back on track. Its really an win win especially on the road where JC wont face hometown boos. Goodnight all and great week to be a fan
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And I’m wondering what performance you have seen from Campbell that has EARNED him the right to be the starter over Gradkowski.
I’ll wait.
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I made the argument in the very post you responded to….are you slow.
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considering the question was directed at Armchair, who was forced to change his old name because of the welts he incurred, it’s obvious that’s a rhetorical question..
September 20th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
aig-raiders Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
SevereRaiderz
…… Campbell could do as well if given the time to do so.
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Dude, you’re a moron. Campbell and Grad had to learn a new system. Cable admitted and we all knew that Campbell had more time with the new system than Grad due to injury as well as annointed starter status by Al Davis.
Face it. Jawalrus II has never gotten it done in his career when given all the opportunities and now you continue to make excuses for him. The only time he won was when he was surrounded by studs like Ronnie Brown and Cadillac at Auburn. You can clearly see that JC is a very slow player. His reads are slow and his windup is a windmill as well. Get over it. Grad is better.
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Are you slow….we hired Hue in January and acquired Jason in late April. Do you not think that Grads got a playbook way before JC, like a few weeks after Hue was hired??? JC has played moe in this system but Grads was learning the system way before jason. Furthermore, the chemistry that Grads has built with these guys can not be under estimated. For this reason i think that Grads has a better feel for what this team needs in a game. Oly way for Jason to acquire that same knowledge is through gameplay which is why I could see him starting next week. if he stinks we bring Grads back in at the half and he starts week 4 at home.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
JC just seems to take too much time to let the ball go…… Very unsure of himself…Grads has a quiucker release!!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
# Raider-DEE Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
JB…
What aig is saying is that…positive things happen when Grads is in ther….and the rest of the team feeds off him!!
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Totally agree with that. We need to find out what IT is that allows that to happen and bottle it for future use.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
# Raider-DEE Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
I know that Cable will be starting JC again vs the Cardnals…..but if we have a repeat….. I say hand the team over to Grads!!
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Wellllllll…fast reverse a handful of years…seems a HC did the same thing, and inserted Tui, while benching “Al’s boy”..where Al promptly let the HC know “No way in hell, you put him back in” where Collins proceeded to play out the last 4 games, losing all 4, while Tui went back on the bench….
I wonder if Cable got an earful from Al after the game, regarding who’s starting, which is Al’s MO.
If so, and Campbell does start, and sucks, and stays in..won’t be hard to figure out why…just like it wasn’t hard to figure out who told Cable “mum’s the word” regarding injuries….all part of Al’s control freak mode.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
One of the problems I have is those who support BG starting have laid out their reasons for why they believe the way they do,while those supporting JC only come up ‘Well,he is a better QB and is our future’.On what are these statements based on?
September 20th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
I like jc… he seems like a real team player… but he needs to let go of that ball….. Just release it!!! See a guy open…THROW IT!! He thinks too much!! Loses his teams confidence in him!!!I like Grads more…. but I would love to see jc step up..as well!!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
As part of al davis inner circle i can tell you that your getting all worked up about gradkowski being the starter ,jason campbell is the starter and soon gradkowski will not be a distraction cause he will be traded too the ny giants for brandon jacobs.so we are looking at j campbell backed up by kyle boller backed up by charlie frye and gradkowski backing up eli manning.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
one thing Campbell showed is lots of Wa fans were right..he’s not a leader..he’s blase’, and uninspiring.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I’m a fan of the Raiders more than of certain players although like everyone I have my favorite players.I believe Gradkowski should be starting because he has earned it.He outplayed JC in the pre-season and in the 1 game they both performed.My question is what has JC done in a Raider uniform that warrants the loyalty being given him by some?I don’t dislike the guy,but clearly another player has played better than him at the same position.
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Not loyalty but Grads has had as many good games as JC has had bad ones….1 1/2. His only good game last year was at Pitt, he actually had a pretty average game in Cincy but our D and ST gutted out a win and Grads made the throws when we needed them. I have no loyalty to either, im just not ready to close the book on Jason without giving him what i feel is a fair shot. If grads ends up being our guy then release Jason and bring Brennan back at seasons end.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
That pitt. game last yr said it all for me!! That was the best performance by any raider qb since gannon!!…….. I still have that game recorded and love watching it!!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Man you guy’s are soo sensitive if I don’t agree with everything you say your feeling get hurt. I already said Grads is fine with me. I’m not picking one over the other………….period
If you don’t like it tough!!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Richochet Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
one thing Campbell showed is lots of Wa fans were right..he’s not a leader..he’s blase’, and uninspiring
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couldnt agree more!!
Nice guy but very…… uninspiring!!!
Grads is the complete opposite!!!Grads may not be a great qb, but he’s the best we have!!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Severe,
No I am not slow. Yes English is my second language but I think I understand the quote below just fine.
“Cable: I think before you go into all that or read into all that, it’s about winning on Sundays. A decision was made yesterday to do that. Some of the benefits to it are the fact that Bruce has been around, yes, but if you remember, he’s had less work in the new system than Jason.”
Jason has been afforded every opportunity and has worked more with the first unit this offseason than Bruce has. Yet the man just gets it done.
So can you read or are you just in denial?
September 20th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Gradkowski has won games in a Raider uniform-Campbell hasn’t.”Grads made the throws when we needed them”-exactly!That is what your QB is supposed to do.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Priest…
Dont fret man…
I assure you man…. if grads starts screwing up….. JC will be right back in there….And you can thank Al Davis for that@@….but i thought that the most important thing for all of us was winning??? or am i wrong??
September 20th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
JB,
I was agreeing with your poitn that Grad fires up and lead his team. We were in their redzone. 2nd and long, they called for a qB draw. Grad ran up the middle got 8 yds or something and got blasted by their LB’s. He bounced up and started screaming back at the lambs to let them know they didnt hurt him. The fans got fired up as repeated by Dell who was there and the team got fired up.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Priest, we all just want to win the game in Arizona. That’s all that matters. And we better all be in agreement that the 49ers need to win in KC!
September 20th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Raider Dee,
Same here. I have that pitt game on tivo and watched it in the offseason. He broke the record for 3 come from behind TD’s in the 4th qtr.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Your afternoon Brandon Jacobs update
So here’s the latest on everyone’s favorite grouchy, helmet-tossing Giants running back.
There have been multiple reports confirming that Brandon Jacobs would not mind being traded and that he’s threatened the same thing before.
But the consensus has emerged that Jacobs made no such formal request yet. Furthermore, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Giants would deal him away.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I’m a fan of the Raiders more than of certain players although like everyone I have my favorite players.I believe Gradkowski should be starting because he has earned it.He outplayed JC in the pre-season and in the 1 game they both performed.My question is what has JC done in a Raider uniform that warrants the loyalty being given him by some?I don’t dislike the guy,but clearly another player has played better than him at the same position.
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Less work. as i said he hasnt been PLAYING in the system as long but he has been LEARNING and STUDYING the system since late January or early February
September 20th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
We’ll see this week if Cable is calling the shots or not. I’m convinced he’ll play Grads if it’s his call. If Campbell-Plunkett is in there, we all know what transpired.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Last I checked, our motto was “just win baby”. If that’s truly the case then Bruce needs to start. Davis – Grads isn’t the sexy choice but you gotta go with the winner!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
No you’re not wrong in choosing Grads I’ve said it a million times if he goes I’m all for it. But I let the coaches make that decision. If Grads doesn’t start I’m not going into the “Al Davis is screwing with the coaches” mode. Let the coaches decide and enjoy it.
I’m not going to knock Campb ell just because it makes guy’s feel better I’m telling it like i see it. Grads has a much better command right now. That doesn’t mean that we cannot win with Campbell IMO. And I’m not just syaing that. I was glad when they put Grads in Sunday because it was obvious that Campbell was not in synch but that was Sunday. Not next week.
What if Grads plays and throws 3 int’s and we lose then what?? will you still feel the way you feel now?/ Hell No!! that fans for you. Which ever way the wind blows you guy’s go. So I’m neutral………..period
September 20th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Gradkowski has won games in a Raider uniform-Campbell hasn’t.”Grads made the throws when we needed them”-exactly!That is what your QB is supposed to do.
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Yes that is what we need in a QB and last week we took the oppurtunity away from JC to do just that after a halftime adjustment of protection and playcalling. People keep saying what has jason done to justify a start and i say nothing on the field, but he has only played a game and a half. This offseason he got all of our WRs heads in the playbook and eyes in the film room and built a relationship with them off the field. So far his efforts have been fruitless, but it has only been a game and a half.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
You say BG has been learning the system longer but admit Campbell has been active in the system longer.Yet whenever BG plays he performs better than JC has performed.So why should a player that is being outplayed by another be given the starting job?Shouldn’t the guy who wins the competition get the job?
September 20th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Before everybody writes off JC, let’s just give him his opportunity to grow IN OAKLAND and WITHIN the Raider organization. I don’t care about what he did in WA or anywhere else. It’s what he does while he’s here. JC is still new to the Oakland team and that does make a difference. He’s new to the particular offense and he’s new to the OC. If all adds up to being conservative. Give he guy a reasonable amount of time to get it together. I’m not saying to start him – I think for now, Grads has earned that opportunity. It rare that any team can make it through the season with the same QB. After all, this is a team sport and w are fortunate to have all 3 of our QB’s available to us. We could be stuck with JaLoser and then we’d really be screwed. Let JC mature under our system and let’s see where that takes him. I’m sure AD will let TC do whatever he wants personnel-wise as long as he’s winning. What’s really important is that we are winning and when someone goes down due to injury, whomever replaces them maintains the same high level of performance. Just continue to win. That will solve most of our disagreements.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Just like Schwarzenegger said, “It’s naut a controversy”
September 20th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
No you’re not wrong in choosing Grads I’ve said it a million times if he goes I’m all for it. But I let the coaches make that decision. If Grads doesn’t start I’m not going into the “Al Davis is screwing with the coaches” mode. Let the coaches decide and enjoy it.
I’m not going to knock Campb ell just because it makes guy’s feel better I’m telling it like i see it. Grads has a much better command right now. That doesn’t mean that we cannot win with Campbell IMO. And I’m not just syaing that. I was glad when they put Grads in Sunday because it was obvious that Campbell was not in synch but that was Sunday. Not next week.
What if Grads plays and throws 3 int’s and we lose then what?? will you still feel the way you feel now?/ Hell No!! that fans for you. Which ever way the wind blows you guy’s go. So I’m neutral………..period
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God forbid Kyle Boller is ever forced to come in and has a good game, some here will want JC and Grads benched or traded lol
September 20th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
What if Grads plays and throws 3 int’s and we lose then what?? will you still feel the way you feel now?/ Hell No!! that fans for you. Which ever way the wind blows you guy’s go. So I’m neutral………..period
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If grads had thrown that pick in the red zone or that other pick that he nearly threw people would be singing a different tune.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Priest….
I hear you man…. But am being totaly honest with you when I tell you….I want the QB that gives us the best chance to win!!! Last sun it was Grads this week it might be JC!!! But if your honest… you know the team seems to play inspired ball under Grads command!!
September 20th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
JB,
I was agreeing with your poitn that Grad fires up and lead his team. We were in their redzone. 2nd and long, they called for a qB draw. Grad ran up the middle got 8 yds or something and got blasted by their LB’s. He bounced up and started screaming back at the lambs to let them know they didnt hurt him. The fans got fired up as repeated by Dell who was there and the team got fired up.
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Gotcha & Agree
September 20th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Nobody will answer the question-What has JC done in a Raider uniform to justify him being given the staring job and the feeling that you have that he should be the starter?When the QBs have been given equal opportunities BC,and Boller for that matter,have out performed him-although Boller did it with the subs.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
LOL @ the what if Grads threw 3 picks statement. Did he throw 3 picks? NO. Thank you. End of story.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Too bad we cant just take JC’s arm and height and put it on Grads body…..or…vice versa!!
We would have ourselves a great qb!!
September 20th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Fact is Bruce has outplayed Campbell in every way yet some of you want to give JC a free pass. You want to let him grow? Fine, let him grow, as the BACKUP! Otherwise, it’s clear to anyone that watches the games that Grads gives us the better chance. What if…what if what if….save it. Let’s deal with reality, not what if.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
al davis wants jason campbell to start tom cable wants gradkowski to start al trades gradkowski end of argument.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Good night, Raider fans!
September 20th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
You say BG has been learning the system longer but admit Campbell has been active in the system longer.Yet whenever BG plays he performs better than JC has performed.So why should a player that is being outplayed by another be given the starting job?Shouldn’t the guy who wins the competition get the job?
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Grads has also been building chem with these guys for a year and a half. Jason met everyone starting on this offense for the firstn the last week of April.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
DEE I’ve been honest how many times do I need to say it, right now he has more command I’ve said it 10 times. I’m not taking anything away from Grads WOW!!!
I give up!! whatever man can’t i speak my own mind?………please!
Let the coaches coach DAMN.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
for the first time*
September 20th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Raider fans have been thru a lot of pain the last seven years. We can’t wait around. Starting game 2 in that manner forced Cables’ hand. Give Cable some credit. Go with the hot hand. It’s that simple.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Nobody will answer the question-What has JC done in a Raider uniform to justify him being given the staring job and the feeling that you have that he should be the starter?When the QBs have been given equal opportunities BC,and Boller for that matter,have out performed him-although Boller did it with the subs.
severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Gradkowski has won games in a Raider uniform-Campbell hasn’t.”Grads made the throws when we needed them”-exactly!That is what your QB is supposed to do.
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Yes that is what we need in a QB and last week we took the oppurtunity away from JC to do just that after a halftime adjustment of protection and playcalling. People keep saying what has jason done to justify a start and i say nothing on the field, but he has only played a game and a half. This offseason he got all of our WRs heads in the playbook and eyes in the film room and built a relationship with them off the field. So far his efforts have been fruitless, but it has only been a game and a half.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Grads has been building chemistry for a year and a half? LOL. Russell was the unquestioned starter last year. Grads got a few games towards the end. And Campbell was handed the starting job outright when he came here this year. Bruce was hurt. So when was Bruce building all this chemistry with the starters? They all meet in his backyard each day during the offseason? lol…
September 20th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
It is true that JC has only had 1 1/2 “real” games. Just like it is also true that JC has had more time playing with the starters under this new system, but that Bruce has had more time with the players overall. Considering all that, you also have to take into account that Bruce has shown more in less time than JC. Also that just like last year, the team seems to respond to him.
I think we can all agree that RIGHT NOW it would seem like Bruce gives the team the better chance to win. Just like we should all agree that it is too early to count JC out. Sure, JC has his faults, just like Bruce does. But what makes up for it is his playmaking ability. Bruce just makes things happen, whether that’s because of chemistry built last year, or whatever, it is there, and we can’t deny it.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Right out of Cable’s mouth….
Cable: I think before you go into all that or read into all that, it’s about winning on Sundays. A decision was made yesterday to do that. Some of the benefits to it are the fact that Bruce has been around, yes, but if you remember, he’s had less work in the new system than Jason.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Severe-what has JC done in a Raider uniform to make you believe he should be the starter over BG?
September 20th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
EMRaiders – Bruce just makes things happen
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Cheers to that brother!
September 20th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
# lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
Nobody will answer the question-What has JC done in a Raider uniform to justify him being given the staring job and the feeling that you have that he should be the starter?When the QBs have been given equal opportunities BC,and Boller for that matter,have out performed him-although Boller did it with the subs.
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I would surmise that the answer is because AD said so. When he brought him over from WA, Grads was hurt, Frye was subject to being hurt, I’m not sure if Boller was here yet or not and AD, after having written off JaLoser, brought in an experienced veteran QB. JC was getting the starting reps in camp so it only made sense that he be declared the starter. Right wrong or indifferent, someone needed to be declared the starter and JC was it.
Nothing is in cement other than death & taxes. I fully expect TC to start Grads this week. JC is a pro and he’ll deal with it and hopefully get better as a result of the move.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Well, changing the topic a bit….I know we’ve only played 2 teams but looks like we’re 9th in Total Defense (because of our rushing) and 11th in total defense. Not bad. Got a little fat, statistically, against the Rams but let’s build on this.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
I’m getting responses as to why JC is starting,but nobody is saying why he should be starting.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
correction – 9th in Total Offense
September 20th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
I’m getting responses as to why JC is starting,but nobody is saying why he should be starting.
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That’s because they don’t have an answer for it.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Lefty,
I don’t think anyone here is saying JC should start. Maybe that’s why nobody’s saying anything to the contrary.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Lefty12
Because he has longterm answer on him. They hope he is the longterm answer. To be that he needs reps with the starters and time on the field. Timing is everything and his is suffering right now the only way to improve that is by playing. That’s why he should be the starter.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Severe is!
September 20th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
What about JC makes them think he is the longterm answer? His arm? LOL…we’ve been down that road before.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
JB Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Lefty,
I don’t think anyone here is saying JC should start. Maybe that’s why nobody’s saying anything to the contrary.
………..al says jc should start and since the raiders are not a democracy ………….
September 20th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Ok I guess I was wrong. TJ has stated a reason why he believes JC should start. His answer has merit but I believe TC’s job is on the line and wining now is more important to him. Right now, I believe Grads gives us a better chance of winning. If we could get up by 20+ points over Arizona, I’d not be against JC coming in and get the practical experience with the 1’s that TJ’s talking about. That would be a win-win situation.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
We don’t have a longterm answer right now. Play the best available player, which is Gradkowski.
JC has been playing for how long now? Yeah, I know. Many different systems but why does he get a pass and not Grads? Somehow you know Grads isn’t the answer but JC is? Why? Strong arm? lol Please…takes more than that to be a successful QB. Gannon didn’t have a strong arm. But he had leadership, knew all the plays and routes, and had balls. JC couldn’t even get them lined up right on the 4th and 1. And slides short of the sticks like some sissy. You need a sack to play QB
September 20th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Priest,that is what practice,OTAs,and the pre-season is for.Or are you saying we shouldn’t worry about winning,that getting a guy who MIGHT be the future reps is more important?If that is the case,why not put the rookie Olinemen in so they can get reps?Last year when we played the rookie WRs you and most others said they shouldn’t be playing because they didn’t give us the best chance to win now.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Everry team needs and has to have a longterm answwer at the most important position. As fans we don’t have to agree but that is obviously why they traded for him. Now everyone wants them to abandon that 2 games into the season and I think that’s a bit unreasonable. I know the Gards argument and I agree with it. He has much more command at this point. Again that doesn’t mean we cannot win with Campbell as he gets better week by weeek. If there is a need for Gards to some in out of the bullpin yu do it until Campbell either proves he doesn’t have it or proves he does.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Or on the other hand you tell Campbell thanks but no thanks and move on. But right now there is no question that Grads does play much faster and has a lot more command NO QUESTION!!
September 20th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
priesttj Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Let the coaches coach DAMN.
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Agree. We’ll find out Sunday who calls the shots or if the coaches coach.
Good post #219.
I don’t think Cable is in a building mode right now. He needs wins. Building or not, the time for wins is now.
Nobody here wants to agonize anymore, and the first 6 qtrs were loud and clear what might have been a 4/5 win season. Grads give the Raiders right now the best chance to win. It really is that simple.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Lefty12
Cambell is not a rookie, he is a vet who just needs reps. I’m not saying he for sure IS the longterm answer but I think as an organization they need that question answered. So they can either move on or solidify him as the starter.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
I think TC is going to play whomever has the hot hand that week. His job is on the line & he knows it. He’ll do whatever it takes to win. If that means platooning players at various positions (like he’s doing now at OLT), I think that’s what he’s going to do. He’s going to force inner-team competition. This may not be the best overall approach to use but as long as it is working…
If JC doesn’t work out and significantly improve and assume leadership, don’t be surprised to see AD pick up Michael Vick next year in FA.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
That is all I am saying.I say let Campbell sit,watch,and learn for the time being and hope when he is needed and called upon he performs better than he is at the present time.I’m not like S&B and saying cut him.He might turn out to be a very good QB.But as of now,he shouldn’t nor does he deserve to be the starter.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
I’d love to have Mike Vick, sign me up right now.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
i can explain why campbell remains the starter in three words = he can throw the deep pass.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
How can you tell the team they have to perform or the next guy in line will take your job and sit a guy who has clearly outperformed the other at the most important position on the team?
September 20th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
From what I’ve seen of Michael Vick’s play recently, he’s really changed. He’s no longer a RB who throws the ball, he’s now a pass first and run as a last resort QB. He’s really matured. I guess prison will do that for you. He could be successful here with our current cast of characters. With a more effective & productive O-line, he could be absolutely amazing. I can easily see him fitting in here.
And for the record, I don’t care about the potential animal rights protesters. Everybody has a right to beat a drum no matter the cause. So let them join in on the festivities and just pick up the beat.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
bruce gradkowski is getting backup salary because he is a________qb?
September 20th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
The Raiders should be favored to win the AFC West and to reach the AFC championship game, if for no other reason than the amount of money they committed to their 53 players this season.
The Raiders are on the hook for $135.2 million, second only to the New York Jets ($135.7) among AFC teams and well ahead of division rivals San Diego ($108 million), Denver ($102.9 million) and Kansas City ($84.5 million).
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Cant fault the old man for a lack of effort. Its not like he makes one of the least of any owner. I cant see how he is able to sustain this.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Why won’t you afford the same opportunity to BG to see if he could be the long term answer as you are willing to give JC?Why not give Boller a shot?
September 20th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Pls explain to me why Nick Miller contiues to draw an NFL Check???
BTW, Bruce clearly needs to be starting this next AZ game. If Cambell is starting then you know AD overulled him.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Why won’t you afford the same opportunity to BG to see if he could be the long term answer as you are willing to give JC?Why not give Boller a shot?
…………………..because you gave j.russell two or three years before benching him and getting rid of him jason campbell has been here two games!!!!!!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Lefty,
I like BG. Unfortunately, he has two bad wheels and appears to be more injury prone than most in his position. It’s probably because he gives it his all and puts himself at more risk than other players. Once you’ve had knee problems the are never quite the same. I hope he’s never injured ever again. But the likelihood is that he will be reinjured again. When that starts happening the longterm view is shortened immensely. His attitude and heart are unquestioned. It’s the rest of his bodyparts that are in question.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Nick Miller is a player. He just needs the opportunity to play. He’s ot great hands and seems to have the ability to make amazing catches when he’s in there. he real question is why isn’t he playing more.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
lets not throw campbell under the bus yet!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
FK-I have never said get rid of JC.The concern is he has played for too many OCs and different systems so he hesitates.Let him sit for a while,digest this system,and then see what he is-just like Plunkett did.Start the guy who gives us the best chance now.If BG gets hurt like everyone seems to think he will,JC will get his chance soon enough.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Lefty12
the first you know about this game is it is not fair, it’s based on perception by the coaches on who they think fits the system they want to run. Why are the 49ers still trying to geta career out of Alex Smith? it’s the perception of him based on what they see in practice, that’s where jobs are won and lost.
If they feel Gradkowski gives them a longterm answer you’ll see them go away from Campbell and stick to Grads. But they went out and traded for Campbell when Grads was here there is something they see in practice wether we agree or nt they see it.
Lefty12 it would be different if he had come in and did what Plunkett did when he took that job. He came in and threw TD’s and beat great teams and led us to the playoffs Grads hasn’t shown that type of dominance. Yes he’s fiery and energetic. But he really didn’t dominate like people here want to believe he was merely serviceable. 3 second half TD’s and Campbell would get nailed to the bench, but we barely won.
They know what their looking for we don’t, that’s why I say let them coach as fans we think we know but we don’t. Grads could go to AZ and stink the joint up then what would people say? You know as well as I do they would turn on him quicker than you can blink. That’s who fans are.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Priest,
Congratulations on the $100.00 gift certificate you won on the 860 am radio station this morning. You won it for being the caller with the “best analysis”/commentary. Good job, you deserved it. On the show you said, you were with him with Regards to starting JC, ahead of BG. So I guess that is your position.
I would like to see BG start. He impresses me as a natural leader and definitely has a chemistry with the entire team (and the home crowd). What scrappy Bruce did in Pitts last year was awesome, so I am sure he will perform well in an away game. Either QB should win this game but we need to separate our team from these bottom dwellers. Whoever starts better start scoring points, and keep scoring!
If they (AD/TC) start JC, it will be interesting to see if this event (getting benched) inspires JC to play with some passion. He is tall and talented and he runs fast (on a straight line) but BG’s low center of gravity allows him zip around the pocket (a little like the diminutive Drew Brees) avert sacks and make plays (and save his inferior o-line from post game ridicule.) Apparenly height isn’t that big of a factor in getting the ball delivered (how many of JC’s passes were batted down at the line of scrimmage against Tenn?). The Arizona Cardinals are just about as weak as the Lambs. It stands to reason that if the Raiders continue to play the way they started playing at the beginning of the 3rd quarter the Raiders should beat them badly. If JC starts then we may see a repeat of the Rams game. BRUUUUUCE!! BRUUUUCE!!!
September 20th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
# fat kidd Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
lets not throw campbell under the bus yet!!!
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How about throwing him into the ground like he does passes when absolutely no one defender is around him.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
priest do you know wat the hell the number to the raiders post game show is? their internet stream is horrible and its pissed several fans off that cant listen.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
id take vick in a ny minute with the way hes is throwing and running now. that dude was able to win despite not being great passer but he has gotten much better at it.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Lefty12
#240 I can agree with that, if the coaches agree.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
You are correct,many would,although I can truthfully say I wouldn’t because I believe right now,at this point of the season he is our best option.That isn’t to say by week say 10 that would still be the case.Also,if you remember ,the other night I said if Campbell was injured for a length of time,it wouldn’t surprise me if Boller was elevated to starter and BG was still the back-up.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Any transcript available of Priests’ phone call to 860 where he won the $100?
September 20th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Armond I haven’t been able to call this year yet I’m normally a regular but I don’t know the # either.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
# armond Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
id take vick in a ny minute with the way hes is throwing and running now. that dude was able to win despite not being great passer but he has gotten much better at it.
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Yes he has. If this wasn’t the last year on his contract, there would definitely be a QB controversy in Pennsylvania. He does fit the description of a great athlete. AD loves great athletes. You put the pieces together.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
bg should start and leave it at that. this team needs to win now and ive seen enuff of campbell to know he doesnt have it. its fair for him to start this week now that he has seen whats in front of him. now is the time for him to sieze his career. he has to loosen up and have fun. id rather he just sling the ball around than be so damn scary like and hesitant. this team is too mentally weak to have another mild manner qb coast thru a game. they seem to have more fun when grads is in which makes them more confident and better.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Yeah I know Left but you’re different I’m talking about these yahoos in here who follow the crowd.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
I’m glad Al has finally woken up and realized that Kiffin’s playbook is the way to go, and is finally giving Gruden’s QB some playing time. You can only run from reality for so long.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
Fans of all different teams that I talked to today, mostly Niners, but some fans of other teams as well, all say the same: Raiders make Gradkowski starter, they’re a playoff team.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
priest u talk about this team needing confidence to get over the hump. i dont belive bruce is the long term answer but if just for a year or 2 he leaves this team with a winning arrogant swagger then he did his job. sometimes we have to realize people are put in place to fufill a certain destiny. maybe at best he becomes a star or at worst leaves us being better. whatever the case we need to stop messing around and play him now.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
thanks Sirblitzalot, I didn’t think my call was that good, but I’ll definitely use the Yoshi tickets.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
# armond Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
priest u talk about this team needing confidence to get over the hump. i dont belive bruce is the long term answer but if just for a year or 2 he leaves this team with a winning arrogant swagger then he did his job. sometimes we have to realize people are put in place to fufill a certain destiny. maybe at best he becomes a star or at worst leaves us being better. whatever the case we need to stop messing around and play him now.
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Good solid argument. Makes sense to me.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
How do you guys even here the post game show?Is it on the AM or FM channel?I try an listen on this contraption and they go off the air or back to the music.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Severe is!
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I gave good reason for JC to start….it gives him a chance to prove himself one last time and if he fails we can yank him. On the road in Arizona is the perfect setting for him to do so. It is away from a home crowd that would likely boo him if he started and it is against a team that he could have success against through the air and build some confidence with. If he fails Grads can come in at the half finish the game and start week 4 at home and have the whole place electric, but if campbell suceeds he would come home to a crowd that would welcome him….what part of that dont you get???
September 20th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
DMac is #2 in the league right now for total running yards. Who woulda thunk that would happen. Not me and I was wrong about him. Good for the team and good for him. Keep it up DMac.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
There’s only one team in the league with a fan base that would even debate whether or not someone who’s played like Gradkowski should start over someone who’s played like Campbell. Only one. Just unreal. I honestly can’t believe there is even one Raider fan on the planet who wants Campbell to start over Gradkowski. No football fan can be that loyal to the owner of their favorite team. Can they?
September 20th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
Yeah Armond i said that at the game as I watched him amp it up. This team can use his confidence factor now that’s a different twist. If he can infuse the kind of confidence they need to turn the corner he is worth his weight in gold. That would really raise the bar for the level of play at that position in order to be the starter. Now I’ll go a 100 miles with that. Because it’s immeasurable. But if it is just marginal that’s where I’d prefer the player with the bigger upside.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
i might call in tittles show but that dude annoys me with his negativity. he says things at times that make no sense. i would love to get andrew luck in 2 years and i like that kellen moore out of boise st. mallet looks pretty good 2. we will have to get our own qb in the draft within the next 2 years. right now we need a safety valve to get us goin. we should get our young team confidant and ready to win before we play our next young qb like how the packers did with rodgers.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
And I’m wondering what performance you have seen from Campbell that has EARNED him the right to be the starter over Gradkowski.
I’ll wait.
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# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Severe is!
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I gave good reason for JC to start….it gives him a chance to prove himself one last time and if he fails we can yank him. On the road in Arizona is the perfect setting for him to do so. It is away from a home crowd that would likely boo him if he started and it is against a team that he could have success against through the air and build some confidence with. If he fails Grads can come in at the half finish the game and start week 4 at home and have the whole place electric, but if campbell suceeds he would come home to a crowd that would welcome him….what part of that dont you get???
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So basically we should give Campbell another chance just because there is a possibility that he MIGHT
do well.
Well Severe, that is not the same as proving that you DESERVE the starting job over someone that has PROVEN that they can win games on the road in hostile environments. Someone who clearly motivates the entire team with his play.
But despite all that, we should start Campbell next week to give him another chance. And somehow that sounds logical to you.
But unfortunately that’s probably exactly what Cable will do.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Severe,giving him a chance to prove himself isn’t a good reason to me.It is about the team,not one individual.I hear what you are saying,I just don’t agree.BTW,I believe it could turn out the way you present it,although as i’ve said,I’d rather he sat for a while to get a better grasp of things and perhaps see things the way BG does as far as the WRs go.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
FK-I have never said get rid of JC.The concern is he has played for too many OCs and different systems so he hesitates.Let him sit for a while,digest this system,and then see what he is-just like Plunkett did.Start the guy who gives us the best chance now.If BG gets hurt like everyone seems to think he will,JC will get his chance soon enough.
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Best point that you made all day, my only issue is it is hard to build the chemistry that he needs with his wr’s when he is on the bench. If he is 2nd string in practice they likely won’t hurt grads by taking away his snaps with the 1’s so how would Jason ever really build that chemistry??? Once again good post
September 20th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
The kid at Nevada i good as well but Andrew Luck is the crown jewel of this upcoming draft. No weakness he is the next Payton Manning bonafide superstar QB.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
lefty it doesnt work. ive sent in complaints to their fugged up comment section and got no response. its a joke they would this to their fans. all i can say his call up kfrc and ask whats up. the # i got was 415 391-7260.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
# Richochet Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Peace out…..if we start jason its not the end of the world and it actually is the best decision that can be made. If he stinks it up we make another switch at halftime and the legend of bruce almighty grows. If he plays well then we got our starting QB back on track. Its really an win win especially on the road where JC wont face hometown boos. Goodnight all and great week to be a fan
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And I’m wondering what performance you have seen from Campbell that has EARNED him the right to be the starter over Gradkowski.
I’ll wait.
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I made the argument in the very post you responded to….are you slow.
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considering the question was directed at Armchair, who was forced to change his old name because of the welts he incurred, it’s obvious that’s a rhetorical question..
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Rick-o-schyt, you idiot!
That question wasnt’t directed AT me. That was MY question that I directed to SevereRaider.
rotflmfao!!!
You get the idiot of the week award and it’s only Monday.
You’re such an imbecile, you can’t even copy and paste correctly.
Owned once again. And your sorry azz Niners lost and DHB so far is outplaying your boyfriend Michael Crabtree, ‘The STEAL of the draft.’lolololol.
Idiot.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
bottomline is we need to win. guys need to priove they can win around here. this is a passionate fanbase but it can also be a very unreasonable ignant fanbase as well.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
And I’m wondering what performance you have seen from Campbell that has EARNED him the right to be the starter over Gradkowski.
I’ll wait.
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# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Severe is!
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I gave good reason for JC to start….it gives him a chance to prove himself one last time and if he fails we can yank him. On the road in Arizona is the perfect setting for him to do so. It is away from a home crowd that would likely boo him if he started and it is against a team that he could have success against through the air and build some confidence with. If he fails Grads can come in at the half finish the game and start week 4 at home and have the whole place electric, but if campbell suceeds he would come home to a crowd that would welcome him….what part of that dont you get???
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So basically we should give Campbell another chance just because there is a possibility that he MIGHT
do well.
Well Severe, that is not the same as proving that you DESERVE the starting job over someone that has PROVEN that they can win games on the road in hostile environments. Someone who clearly motivates the entire team with his play.
But despite all that, we should start Campbell next week to give him another chance. And somehow that sounds logical to you.
But unfortunately that’s probably exactly what Cable will do.
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How can it not sound logical to you??? Give a guy a game to say get it together or go. At the worst we took a game away from our starter of the future if Grads is that guy and at the best we learn that JC could be the guy longterm. My only prom is that we are basing way too much on this team on just a game and a half.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Armond,I’ve sent in complaints also and gotten no responses.Thanks for the number,I’ll give it a try.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
we must address hujack and his sh!tty pcallin. he got away fromm running with dmc too many times. i dont blame the int on bruce i blame hue for not running. several 2nd n short opportunities and he throws. inside the 10 doesnt run it enuff. the 4th and 1 shouldve been that flip to dmc for a score. what i hate is that this team has been so pass starved that the first sign of a passing game they get to giddy and forget to use situtional running to stay balanced.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
yeah no problem if that dont work dont what to tell u
September 20th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
So, the reason to start Campbell, according to one of his supporters, is to give him a chance, and if he fails, yank him? Why Campbell? Why not give, say, a cheerleader the same opportunity? A fan? I mean, how bad can it go? If they don’t play well, we simply yank them and put Gradkowsk in.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Severe,giving him a chance to prove himself isn’t a good reason to me.It is about the team,not one individual.I hear what you are saying,I just don’t agree.BTW,I believe it could turn out the way you present it,although as i’ve said,I’d rather he sat for a while to get a better grasp of things and perhaps see things the way BG does as far as the WRs go.
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what would have happened if we never gave Bruce that chance and yanked him after he took 2 sacks and lost a fumble against the jets? or after he threw 2 picks in 9 pass attempts against KC? or after he only threw for 183 yards against cincy with 2 tds, but throwing another int and losing another fumble? Or even worse what if we annointed Russell the starter after his comeback in Denver???
September 20th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Let Hue get in a rythum he has to see who can and who can’t. I’m not sure he really believed DMC could tote it like that until Sunday. Npow as he learns more about the talent he can better utilize it but give him his learning curve as well. If I told you DMC would get 50+ carries in the first two games you would’ve called me nuts. So this is a total work in progress everybody is feeling themselves out.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:59 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
So, the reason to start Campbell, according to one of his supporters, is to give him a chance, and if he fails, yank him? Why Campbell? Why not give, say, a cheerleader the same opportunity? A fan? I mean, how bad can it go? If they don’t play well, we simply yank them and put Gradkowsk in.
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Why not put you in…if you play well Al davis just may have a heart attack and die. Really stupid question….i expected more from you. Have you been hanging out drinking again???
September 21st, 2010 at 12:01 am
Adios fellas!
September 21st, 2010 at 12:03 am
later, have wasted enough of a good day on here talking with some great fans…..oh yeah and you too RMR. peace in the middle east
September 21st, 2010 at 12:03 am
peace
September 21st, 2010 at 12:04 am
Severe,I’m not going to argue with you.You gave your reason which I disagree with and I gave mine which you disagree with.
September 21st, 2010 at 12:04 am
Severeraiderz, was that you who said that we should start Campbell and yank him if he doesn’t play well? I couldn’t tell in the copy and pasted mess up there. Obviously, it was you.
You’re saying that the reason to start Campbell is not necessarily because he’s the best QB on the team, it’s to merely give him a chance, right? Well, if that’s your logic, couldn’t we just give anyone a chance? And just take them out if they don’t play well? I’m trying to work with your logic, here. You’re the one who’s making a case that someone should be the starter based on the criteria that they can be replaced if they fail. If you listed any other reason, I didn’t see it. It seems that’s it. IF they don’t play well, we yank them. Why not have some sort of contest where a fan could be QB for one half, if we’re going to use that logic to start anyone?
September 21st, 2010 at 12:06 am
Nite,guys.
September 21st, 2010 at 12:09 am
I think the reason Severeraiderz got so agitated then left when his absurd reason for starting Campbell was questioned is because he knows it’s ridiculous too.
September 21st, 2010 at 12:10 am
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
How can it not sound logical to you??? Give a guy a game to say get it together or go. At the worst we took a game away from our starter of the future if Grads is that guy and at the best we learn that JC could be the guy longterm. My only prom is that we are basing way too much on this team on just a game and a half.
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Severeraiderz, I hear you man, and I can see your passion.
I respect your opinion, but I respectfully disagree with you. It’s all good. As long as you bleed Silver and Black like the rest of us, you’re alright with me.
No matter what happens I’m rooting for our guys to succeed.
September 21st, 2010 at 12:16 am
# lefty12 Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Severe,giving him a chance to prove himself isn’t a good reason to me.It is about the team,not one individual.I hear what you are saying,I just don’t agree.BTW,I believe it could turn out the way you present it,although as i’ve said,I’d rather he sat for a while to get a better grasp of things and perhaps see things the way BG does as far as the WRs go.
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I just believe that the amount of someone’s paycheck should not count more than someone’s performance on the field.
Campbell came to us and had done absolutely NOTHING to prove that he should have been the starter. Yet he was anointed almost immediately.
Now in all fairness, Grads was injured, but he recovered in time to compete in camp.
Grads has won games for us, bottom line. That dude has earned his way onto the playing field. I don’t really see what the argument is. It’s just like in basketball. You keep feeding the hot hand.
Right now Grads is hot. He has been since the preseason. Why stop that momentum to pur Campbell in when he hasn’t been able to do anything consistently with our offense.
September 21st, 2010 at 12:31 am
I’m not going to get caught up in the qb controversy. dhb finally showed flashes, Proud of the kid. Dmac ..where are all your haters now…? Tyvon Brach..where are your cover skills? my d line would be seymore,-henderson, kelly and houston.
September 21st, 2010 at 12:40 am
SharkCatcher Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 12:31 am
I’m not going to get caught up in the qb controversy. dhb finally showed flashes, Proud of the kid. Dmac ..where are all your haters now…? Tyvon Brach..where are your cover skills? my d line would be seymore,-henderson, kelly and houston
……………………i am a dmac hater and i am still here 1 bad game and you guys want to throw j campbell under the bus two good games for dmac and you want him in the hall of fame.when he can keep it up for the whole year i will get on his bandwagon but im still not on board.
September 21st, 2010 at 1:11 am
dmac hater because if you are chosen in the top 10 of a draft and are being paid 4 to 5 million a year and have never had a thousand yard season you are a bust.if dmac was chosen in the fifth or sixth round and is doing what he is doing then bravo what a good use of a draft pick.so he is about 800 yards short of my stamp of approval.if he falls short of that mark and remains with the team and someone says dmac is going too have a bust out year! look for me i will be the guy throwing up.
September 21st, 2010 at 1:14 am
Whoever starts the Raiders will have the best backup quarterback in the league.
September 21st, 2010 at 1:15 am
Raiders are deep at QB
Raiders are deep at RB
Raiders are deep at DL
Raiders are deep at LB
Raiders are deep at DB
September 21st, 2010 at 1:17 am
Raiders are solid at starting WR & TE,
Raiders have the best kicking/punting game in the league/long snapper
only real weakness is arguably most important (next to quarterback)OL
September 21st, 2010 at 1:22 am
Fats, I agree with your starting Defensive front
Houston-Henderson-Kelley-Seymour
tough against the run
Shaunessey, Scott, Bryant, Alford, & Wembley (at times) excellent multiple packages that will be tough for OCs to game-plan
I also see a couple sacks from the interior, in fact was Houston’s sack from the DE or DT position?
September 21st, 2010 at 1:24 am
and who ever that was at the game sunday you never put mayo on a hotdog!!!!!!!! go back to your country we dont want that crap around here…….mayo on a hotdog..
September 21st, 2010 at 1:26 am
alford seems like a very good pickup i dont know who gets credit for that ?
September 21st, 2010 at 1:38 am
Haynesworth who?
September 21st, 2010 at 1:39 am
I guess that would actually be, Albert who?
September 21st, 2010 at 1:40 am
SharkCatcher Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 12:31 am
I’m not going to get caught up in the qb controversy.
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What QB controversy? A QB controversy is when you have two good QBs, and don’t know who to go with. Typically it’s when a good starting QB gets injured, and the backup plays as good or even better. Montana/Young, Simms/Hostettler, Bledsoe/Brady. The Raiders benched their starting QB for Gradkowski, who played well. Yet for some reason there’s still debate in the organization as to who should start. We don’t have a QB controversy. We have organizational chaos, and always have.
September 21st, 2010 at 1:40 am
I would like to see the Raiders pick up Hartwig or make a trade for Mankins.
McNeil as well, but I do not see SD trading a pro-bowl caliber LT to the Raiders.
September 21st, 2010 at 1:44 am
# RaiderRetribution Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 1:14 am
Whoever starts the Raiders will have the best backup quarterback in the league.
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I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure most of the league’s backup QBs are better than Campbell.
September 21st, 2010 at 1:46 am
It’s unbelievable this is a debate. There’s only one fanbase in the league that would argue over whether someone like Gradkowski should start over someone like Campbell. Just Raider fans. The support for Campbell is blind loyalty, period. You have to defy reality to support Campbell starting.
September 21st, 2010 at 1:46 am
Mr. Campbell should get one more start.
He knows he has to produce results or he sits.
Jason has generated about as much offense as Favre, Flacco, Romo, and a couple others with as good a record or better, thanks to Mr. Gradkowski.
I do think he should be given at least one more quarter though, he now has wide recievers who have proved to themselves they are NFL caliber WRs.
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September 21st, 2010 at 1:51 am
The Panthers & Bills made a QB switch, though they are both 0-2.
Raiders still could have possibly pulled out a victory over the Rams w/ Jason at QB as the Raiders defense & special teams were outstanding.
Rams’ second TD was off a turnover.
September 21st, 2010 at 1:53 am
jason campbell will have to start cause i do not see al davis the great one giving up on the long pass…
September 21st, 2010 at 2:12 am
Raiders are going in the right direction.
September 21st, 2010 at 2:14 am
I do believe the Raiders came out of the game over the Rams with no serious injuries.
Did the Raiders sustain any injuries?
September 21st, 2010 at 4:01 am
I would stick with Gradkowski for the following reasons:
1. They look terrible with Campbell in there
2. The team plays for Gradkowski (not sure why)
3. The playcalling is more restrained and realistic with Gradkowski….not trying to hit’em deep but move the chains
4. All three QBs are suspect…we know Boller is a washout and Campbell just proved he’s one so let’s find out if Gradkowski can be a starter
4a. Starters play over the course of the season..can Gradkowski do it when they game plan him
5. Need to find out if Gradkowski = Delhomme (in his prime) or JT O’Sullivan and Shaun Hill
Play out the string with Gradkowski (good or bad) so that the team can move on
September 21st, 2010 at 4:03 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 1:46 am
It’s unbelievable this is a debate. There’s only one fanbase in the league that would argue over whether someone like Gradkowski should start over someone like Campbell. Just Raider fans. The support for Campbell is blind loyalty, period. You have to defy reality to support Campbell starting.
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RMR-
I agree with you 100%
September 21st, 2010 at 4:12 am
I would cut Campbell for the very reason that Cable is trying to avoid….and that’s controverey.
Campbell doesn’t strike me as a backup QB type. He should go…probably out of the league..but he should go.
The team cannot move the ball with him in there. The offense has looked awful and then worse.
Gradkowski was hitting his receivers. I want to see if he can do it over 15 weeks because I am SKEPTICAL for a variety of reasons I won’t rehash again.
Start Gradkowski
Cut Campbell – Nice guys do finish last
Elevate Boller – Lottery winner
Sign a young QB like the Hawaii kid
September 21st, 2010 at 4:23 am
Has anyone on here started a conversation on how it might be bad thing how Cable so quickly is grabbing and yanking guys? I am more and more not a fan of Cable handling of his supposed guys. Mario and mario might not be good but wow that was quick 2nd game of season and Veld hey he should be somewhere on the line but putting from center to left tackle the two most important positions on offensive lol. Put a guy and leave em and let them learn. Cable is starting to show is true colors to me how about to some of you guys?
September 21st, 2010 at 5:35 am
Morning Nation.
September 21st, 2010 at 5:42 am
So….RMR is on board with Bruce as well.
Only a few left for me to convert!!!
I got some good soldiers like AIG-Raider, Try Some Reality doing some good work, spreading the gospel.
Bruuuuuuuuuuceeee!!!
(And good morning Nation!!)
September 21st, 2010 at 5:50 am
49ers last night were not very poised at the end of the game.
You know you can’t leave much time on the clock if you score against the Saints, especially when they have 2 timeouts.
Yet they were running out of bounds every play, with a 1:30 on the clock inside the red zone.
Anyone with half a brain knew that even if they tied the game, they left way too much time on the clock. Gore should have stayed in bounds on the screen, Smith should have turned it upfield and slid, the rookie WR should have tried to get some yards instead of bolting for the sideline at the 7.
The stuff you learn as you try to take that next step up.
September 21st, 2010 at 5:51 am
I think Bruce should start this week and going forward, however I have followed the raiders long enough to know that is not likely to happen.
September 21st, 2010 at 5:54 am
Tough to read between the lines Bcz24, but if Cable were going to start JC, I think he would have talked him up a little in the presser.
Maybe said things weren’t so bad in the first half, blah blah blah.
Instead he cited how he didn’t line people up right, and that he has had more time in the offense than Bruce.
I guess we shall see.
September 21st, 2010 at 5:57 am
Mario and Campbell are hurting right now and that aint so a bad …the Raiders need to win NOW! dude
the week 1 performance is NOT acceptable get it
September 21st, 2010 at 5:57 am
Morning Raider Nation!
From PFT Power Rankings:
27. Oakland Raiders (No. 31; 1-1): Even JaMarcus Russell lasted longer than Jason Campbell.
LMFAO
September 21st, 2010 at 6:00 am
I think Cable wants to start Bruce. I just dont think that its his call.
September 21st, 2010 at 6:01 am
I think Bruce should start this week and going forward, however I have followed the raiders long enough to know that is not likely to happen.
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Correct
September 21st, 2010 at 6:04 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 6:04 am
No way DHB gets 6 receptions with JC
sighhhhhhhhh!!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 6:11 am
Funny JFB…
That is exactly what I told my dad last night! Had t he 9ers had half a brain, they would have ran out some clock…but…
And what’s up with all the trash talking DA (dumb you know what) Smith was doing? Did he really put his name as a great qb up there with Brady, Brees, Favre? All SB winning qbs and very likely HOFers? WOW?????
September 21st, 2010 at 6:12 am
SnB Post 311:
Yup, I agree!
September 21st, 2010 at 6:12 am
Start Gradkowski
Cut Campbell – Nice guys do finish last
Elevate Boller – Lottery winner
Sign a young QB like the Hawaii kid
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Disagree. I like JCamp
1 1/2 average games does not define somebodys month, season or career
and don’t talk to me about JC in Washington. He’s an Oakland Raider and I will support him until further notice. I haven’t given up on him yet. He’s better than what we’ve seen up to this point imo
September 21st, 2010 at 6:14 am
the sky was falling after a loss against the Titans.
now we’re 1-1, tied with the donks & dolts
Brittle Bruce & Fragile Chaz can’t not be relied upon for an entire season …
September 21st, 2010 at 6:14 am
Anyways…being at the game on Sunday…in the 4th qtr, the place were loud with 48 K on hand…and it’s only because Bruce came in and started the O moving!!! Let’s see if Cable can make the right decision (key word: can). Come on Al…its time to let your coaches coach!
September 21st, 2010 at 6:16 am
Good Morning Rockstar!
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 6:14 am
the sky was falling after a loss against the Titans.
now we’re 1-1, tied with the donks & dolts
Brittle Bruce & Fragile Chaz can’t not be relied upon for an entire season …
Yes, but as long as they can stay healthy (cough)…and get us wins now!!! But…we need to win down the stretch too!
September 21st, 2010 at 6:23 am
Cable said that the difference in O-Line play from first half to second half had more to do with half-time adjustments for the OL than it did a change in QB … I’ll buy that.
We all saw the defense make in-game adjustments to shut down Steven Jackson!
I’m just glad to have a QB that puts the work in and completes screens & dumpoffs
calling Jason Campbell “JaWalrus 2″ is just plain ignorant. He threw for over 3600 yards & 20 TD’s last season with a lame duck HC, awful o-line and 5 RB’s that landed on IR. He will overcome adversity
September 21st, 2010 at 6:27 am
I will give you that Rockstar. Not calling JC JaWalrus 2, because yeah…that’s not right or accurate. JC is more accurate, but…what I don’t like about him is that fact that he dumps off a lot! He’s a very mobile QB that can run…but here’s the difference in comparison to Bruce: JC runs, Bruce scrambles to buy time. Hey, I’m with you…I will support JC until he proves that he shouldn’t be, and I like his attitude! But now is his time to work on his weaknesses!
September 21st, 2010 at 6:28 am
I like Bruce Gradkowski. He played well against the Rams. played well during the preseason. played well in 2 of 4 games last year.
Just don’t think he’s the long-term solution at QB.
I’d rather see JC develop a chemistry with his WR’s and replace the weak links on the O-Line than release JCamp after 2 weeks only to roll with Bruce who might give us 5 starts before landing on IR. Then it’s the Kyle Boller show, a Top 10 draft pick (which goes to New England) and we start from scratch at the QB position again next year
September 21st, 2010 at 6:29 am
I’m all for getting rid of Campbell.
Quarterbacks who slide down before the first down marker are useless.
September 21st, 2010 at 6:31 am
Braylon Edwards got a DWI this morning…
September 21st, 2010 at 6:35 am
now is his time to work on his weaknesses!
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Agreed. I’ll be the first one to admit that he must improve if he wants to keep his job and let’s hope that being benched was a wakeup call for him. Like Jhill and I talked about yesterday, he overthrew DHB streaking down the sideline with 2 steps on his man, twice. He tried to force that ball in a tight spot with 3 Rams around his target and thats a no-no. another INT was dropped
JCamp is on like his 9th OC in as many seasons. Hue Jax hasn’t done very well the first 2 weeks of the season imo. still too many drops as well. missed Seabass FG. T-Branch trying to cover WR’s. stupid penalties galore. if the rest of the team gets a second shot, so should Jason Campbell
September 21st, 2010 at 6:39 am
I think the real issue is that Jason has the some demeanor and personality ON the field as Jamarcus. He doesnt show any emotion. This team is a young team with no identity. Bruce is the ideal guy to lead this team because he is a firey underdog me against the world type and his personality fits where this team is going. Campbell hasnt done anything to EARN the starting job, so really no second chance is required. We are simply corrected a depth chart error 1.5 weeks late.
September 21st, 2010 at 6:41 am
I’m all for getting rid of Campbell.
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WAY too early for that, unless some team offers a good pick or player in return.
Al Davis gave the man a pay raise before he even suited up in Oakland. that was a mistake. He had 1 year left on his contract at a decent salary. Should have made him EARN it
obviously Al hasn’t learned from the Tommy Kelly type deals in the past
September 21st, 2010 at 6:41 am
Again Rockstar, agreed! I hope it is his wake up call! I think releasing him now would be …well…insert own word here. However, if Bruce gets the start as long as he stays healthy, then I believe we should resign Colt, because of the fact thay Bruce is injury prone. Let him learn the offense and then see what we got next year! Never was a Boller fan to begin with!
September 21st, 2010 at 6:42 am
“– Darren McFadden has shown admirable restraint through two games, 48 tough carries and 240 yards rushing, never uttering a hint of an “I told you so.’’
But teammate Michael Bush, McFadden’s training camp roommate, knows he heard the critics who thought he didn’t run hard enough and went down too easily.”
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Just doin’ my part to motivate the youngster…
September 21st, 2010 at 6:47 am
Campbell hasnt done anything to EARN the starting job
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BCZ: Jason & Bruce were supposed to compete for the starting QB job in camp, remember?
Jason stayed healthy (until the SF game – thanks Mario!) and Bruce didn’t.
neither QB has “earned” anything imo. JCamp was awarded the job by default, if you will. Nnamdi Asomugha, the coaches and everybody else said he was the biggest reason we’d make the playoffs this year. What changed?
September 21st, 2010 at 6:53 am
Interesting psychological move pairing Bush and McFadden as room-mates. Stick the two guys together over a period of time, hoping they’ll bond. In doing so, there’s less chance of rivalry between the pair becoming a distraction.
Any one know if they roomed together last year?
Campbell? I think Cable was all set to go with Grad until the trade was made with Washington. Cable had made up his mind last year that Russell was a bust (GIve him credit for that).
It’s undeniable that the team playsharder, and the coaches coach smarter when Grad is in there.
Hea coach wants Bruce, many fans would seem to see the switch at QB, but it’s Davis’ call.
IMO? I go with Gradkowski.
September 21st, 2010 at 6:53 am
Bruce earned the chance to start by winning some games here last year, and by firing up this team last week. Bruce ALSO outplayed Campbell when given the opportunity to in preseason.
I think maybe guys were paying lip service to Jason… You still think he gives us the best opportunity? Through 6 quarters he has led the team to 16 points, through 2 quarters Bruce has led us to 13 points. I think it merits an opportunity. Jason has done nothing to crown himself the starter in my opinion.
September 21st, 2010 at 6:56 am
Trade Campbell to Buffalo for Marshawn Lynch.
September 21st, 2010 at 6:59 am
Campbell agreed Saturday to a contract with Oakland that will pay him $3.14 million in 2010, plus a $100,000 workout bonus and $4.5 million in 2011, according to a league source. Campbell expects to start immediately as he joins an unimpressive group of quarterbacks that includes JaMarcus Russell, Charlie Frye, Kyle Boller and Bruce Gradkowski.
- The Washington Post (04/25/2010)
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and after 1.5 starts, he’s out ???
LOL!
you guys are crazy …
September 21st, 2010 at 6:59 am
I’m not ready for a trade yet. Grad has to show over the course of half a dozen games that he can hang in there. Campbell as a back up suits me just fine for now. If Grad goes down we got depth, and with that line we’re gonna need it.
September 21st, 2010 at 6:59 am
RaiderRockstar I like your words im just surprised no ones question cable and his up and down yo yo act with his supposed guys. There a way to do things with teams and players. Let hope the raiders fo ronce come out on top with this crazy only second game of the season act with different players
September 21st, 2010 at 7:00 am
Trade Campbell to Buffalo for Marshawn Lynch
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trade Seymour & Gradkowski to Arizona for nose tackle Dan Williams!
September 21st, 2010 at 7:01 am
And I too am worried and wondering how were gonna upgrade next year without a first round pick.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:03 am
Raiderockstar,
I appreciate your opinion, but do you really think if Campbell stays in there we still win against the Rams?
September 21st, 2010 at 7:07 am
Rock how come your opinion is the only right one? Guys YOU like are the right guys for the team, even if they arent performing. You just jumped right into the scholarship trap that we have seen so many players on. You think Campbell “earned” the start by virtue of making more money? That my friend is ridiculous.
I was half heartedly joking about trading JC to Buffalo btw… although trading him to Buf in return for a 3rd or 4th rd pick wouldnt make me mad at all.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:08 am
Dan Williams has one assisted tackle in two games.
Feel the impact!!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 7:09 am
do you really think if Campbell stays in there we still win against the Rams?
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Yes, the run defense had improved and Darren McFadden was running like a man possessed. that opens up the passing game and as Cable pointed out, they made some adjustments to the O-Line at halftime
the Rams simply aren’t that good. In reality, we should have beat them by at least 14 points. The 2010 Raiders aren’t a playoff team and that will cost Tom Cable his job at the end of the year, if not by the bye week. His O-Line is atrocious and he was already stripped of play calling duties. Al Davis took credit for the draft
September 21st, 2010 at 7:11 am
Campbell must be given a chance to RESPOND positively to his benching.
Just like DMAC has responded to me calling out his poor play.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:11 am
I hate the notion that absolutely Bruce is not a long-term answer, but yet Campbell “may be” one so let’s develop him.
I could buy that neither are, that is fair. But Washington tried to “develop” him for 50 starts, and his team progressively got worse. They ended up giving him away literally.
1.5 games into his new situation, his coach was about to fired, his fans hated him already, and he played like a steaming pile of crap.
There is nothing to develop with Jason Campbell. The man is almost 29 years old!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 7:12 am
Braveheartraider Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 7:03 am
Raiderockstar,
I appreciate your opinion, but do you really think if Campbell stays in there we still win against the Rams?
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Truthfully…NO! Now, my dad asked me if Bruce started the game, if I thought that the points would be higher…well, maybe. But that is hard to tell because it didn’t happen. But he did light a fire under everyone’s arses on Sunday! I think Al pooped in his booth!
September 21st, 2010 at 7:13 am
I say Campbell should get another start if he practices well, but maybe not this week.
Both QBs could elevate their play if they know that they will only get 2 quarters to show they deserved the start.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:14 am
BCZ: my point was, are we really willing to flush 7+ million down the toilet because the new starting QB played average for 1.5 games
He was far from being the teams only problem!
Bruce Gradkowski was CUT by 3 teams and JCamp was TRADED by 1 team … BG was labeled “unimpressive” with the other clowns at QB last year and thats why we traded for Campbell in the first place
September 21st, 2010 at 7:16 am
Well…wasn’t Gannon traded by two teams? Well, he wasn’t cut, or was he cut in Minnesota? I don’t know…all I know is that JC has got to work harder and “take” his job back!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 7:17 am
Campbell doesn’t do run defense and as for Mcfadden’s running it was a result of better line-play feeding of the back of the crowd’s reaction to Gradkowski’s entrance.
The whole team got a lift from the QB switch. If Campbell stays in there’s no way the atmosphere in the stadium gets amped.
Sure they made some adjustments. They benched Campbell.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:18 am
Stop bringing up that Bruce was cut by three teams. Its an old argument dude. He is playing good football for us. His attitude is leading this team in the right direction ON the field. Jason Campbell simply doesnt have the on field presence to lead this team.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:19 am
agree to disagree then gents.
I won’t be surprised to see either QB start on Sunday (and play well)
September 21st, 2010 at 7:21 am
Line is Cards favored by 4.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:21 am
Who cares that the Rams and Browns cut Bruce??
In case people haven’t noticed, they started Seneca Wallace last week for Cleveland, and the Rams started guys that were out of the league last year while going 1-15.
I feel even more confidant in Bruce knowing those clown organizations cut him. They have no clue what they are doing!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 7:23 am
Well, on Sunday I felt pretty glad we didn’t get to draft Bradford. Proven QBs are the way to go.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:25 am
WR Comparison REC YDS AVG LG TD
Louis Murphy OAK WR 10 119 59.5 27 1
Darrius Heyward-Bey OAK WR 7 91 13.0 33 0
Michael Crabtree SF WR 3 44 14.7 32 0
So far this year, both of our starting receivers are outplaying Crabtree.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:28 am
both of our starting receivers are outplaying Crabtree
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let me know how thats going come Week 17
September 21st, 2010 at 7:28 am
Another bronco dead,wtf is with that team and guns.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:32 am
Hopefully it holds up.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:37 am
I know huh? Is the Bronco’s org cursed?
As for Crabtree…who cares? I hope even JLH outplays Crabtree…
September 21st, 2010 at 7:42 am
Let’s be honest here … has Can of Soup ever been anything more than an average quarterback for his entire career? … if memory serves, the Foreskins won nothing while he was there … he’s vanilla (no pun intended), a non-impact guy who might work on a team like the NY Jets, who want to play defense first. He won’t hurt you, but he won’t help you that much either … Just the fact that Bruce outplayed him last week tells you everything you need to know … Don’t get me wrong, I love Bruce, he has big balls … But, really, does anybody really foresee him becoming a franchise quarterback? … So, if Can of Soup is not good enough to outplay Bruce, where does that leave him? … As a decent backup somewhere … But, here’s my guess: Al loves Can of Soup. So he will start vs. Cards. The Cable Guy will insert Bruce if he needs to before the noose gets too tight around his own neck (like last week). Remember, the Cable Guy might be in the unemployment line of Bruce hadn’t bailed him out last week …
September 21st, 2010 at 7:49 am
once you bench a guy its over. and when you go to the second string qb a lot of teams season is over also. Its like you dont have qb
September 21st, 2010 at 7:51 am
Que, I agree … I wish we could make more out of a 2-point win over the Lambs, but unfortunately, we can’t
September 21st, 2010 at 7:51 am
Grads has shown to be good but once you make that move there turning back. You have to let thing play out
September 21st, 2010 at 7:53 am
I feel even more confidant in Bruce knowing those clown organizations cut him. They have no clue what they are doing!!!
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JFB, the Raiders have been the biggest “clown organization” over the past 7-8 years.
and just because you beat me in fantasy football this week doesn’t make you an expert, alright? If you would have started Bruce over Donovan I would have beat you by 45 points!
September 21st, 2010 at 7:54 am
I think the Raiders can beat AZ and a few other games this year … My problem is, I still don’t think they can win enough division games … How long since they beat the Chargers?
September 21st, 2010 at 7:56 am
why arent you guys taking note of Cable ’s action with player movement and development
September 21st, 2010 at 7:56 am
Campbell will start at Arizona and we’ll win.
then all the Bruce chants to cease until he struggles again, which will happen at some point with this play caller, o-line and WR Corps
and the same might happen to Bruce if he was the Week 1 starter with Boller & Brennan as his back ups!
September 21st, 2010 at 7:57 am
what action would that be?
September 21st, 2010 at 7:58 am
Raiders might go 0-6 in division games
Chargers are the same. Donks & Chefs got better
Raiders are about equal to last year, 5 wins
September 21st, 2010 at 7:59 am
RR, you are right … It’s hard to patch a shotgun wound with a Band Aid … The Raiders just have to many shortcomings …
September 21st, 2010 at 8:00 am
# severeraiderz Says:
September 20th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
What you are talking about has absolutely nothing to do with my post that you pasted here.
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Re-read my post and and seriously say we were talking about different things. You were complaining about JC not sensing the pressure, he does. When he senses the pressure he runs (he had a nice first down run sunday) or he gets it to his safety valve.
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I think that Campbell’s problem isn’t that he doesn’t sense pressure. I think he just doesn’t see the whole field or is indecisive. He does look to his checkdown often and doesn’t spread the ball to many people. He is slow in deciding and misses reads from what I can tell.
Grads is very decisive, gets the ball out fast, and does have a good feel for pressure generally.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:00 am
Cable’s doing whatever it takes to win. I got no problem with that. If a player is not getting it done get him to hell out of there; We’ll get someone who will do the job.
No more mister nice guy.
As for Cable he’s developing the players for the nexy guy-Jackson.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:01 am
I’m with you … As much as I want to believe the Raiders have turned some corner, I think it would be delusional to do so … They beat the Lambs by 2 at home … Nuff said
September 21st, 2010 at 8:01 am
the young linemen, how many times have i seen b-more or other good teams take a guy from center to left tackle and rotate em. How about blaming campbell for going for it on 4 and 1. When its not the first time our line and starting center didnt plow forward. The way the team is being handled begs for this guy to go
September 21st, 2010 at 8:03 am
post 354,JFB, Youre statement that JC is almost 29 years old,meaning he wont get better,and Im about to turn 59 in a few days, means Im on my way to the glue factory. Just Sayin
September 21st, 2010 at 8:03 am
On the bright side, McFadden is playing way better than I ever imagined … Suddenly, he looks like the real deal … Injuries can really slow the progress of some great young players … He now looks legit
September 21st, 2010 at 8:03 am
Braveheart thats not how you run a team. Every week a guy doesnt know where s he s gonna play. No one else does that dumb stuff.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:07 am
On the bright side, McFadden is playing way better than I ever imagined … Suddenly, he looks like the real deal … Injuries can really slow the progress of some great young players … He now looks legit
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agreed Ghost
the only way this team can win games is to run the ball and play good defense. keep the score close. dominate field position and time of possession
we’re not set up to be a pass happy team playing catch up. this team simply doesn’t have the QB, OL or WR’s to be that type of offense
September 21st, 2010 at 8:10 am
Raiders need to get revenge on Arizona for Oren O’Neal. Them Cardinals ST’ers ended his career. I propose we run it down their throats, double dose of McFadden all day long.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:10 am
Here’s the bottom line … After watching Peyton dismantle the NY Giants on Sunday, how is it fair that we, as Raiders fans, have to debate who’s better Can of Soup or Bruce … If you put all the Raiders QBS from the past 7 years together, you still don’t have one Peyton … QBs win in the NFL … With just a few exceptions (Bears Super Bowl team and Baltimore’s Super Bowl team) Super Bowls are won by QBs. That’s just a fact.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:10 am
Big John makes an impact
The run defense came up big Sunday, shutting down Steven Jackson the last three quarters, and John Henderson was the inside man of the effort. The defensive tackle started in place of the injured Richard Seymour and showed why the Raiders signed him.
“We really came out fired up,” he said. “We wanted to make sure we stopped the run. We didn’t want him to get going because we knew he was going to try to get going in the second half. We just got after him. There was a good swarm to the ball and the attitude we had towards him.”
Is that the key against Jackson, having the second guy and third guy jump on him?
“Right. He’s big, so he’s going to knock the first guy right off. So you have to make sure everybody’s around him, and that’s what we did. I think we did a great job of that.”
Was it more scheme or want-to?
“It’s all about want. It’s always about want in this game. You’ve just got to want it, and I think the guys did a good job with that.”
He got off to a good start, but you guys obviously didn’t panic.
“No, we weren’t panicking. We were having too much fun out there. The guys were still rallying around each other. We said, ‘He’s going to get something.’ We came back the second half, we made sure he wasn’t going to get that much. I thought we did a good job with everybody getting after the ball. That’s what the important thing was, we swarmed the ball. We did a good job of that.”
With Seymour out, you got a lot of work. A lot more snaps than the first week?
“Yeah, it was a lot more snaps, but it was still comfortable. Everybody was sharing the rotation. That’s a good rotation we’ve got. I’m loving it.”
Fun being in the starting lineup?
“It was fun. I still look at it, not starting the game but you still feel like a starter. We still get the same snaps in the game. It’s really no big deal for me right now. I just want to win.”
Posted By: Vittorio Tafur (SF Gate)
September 21st, 2010 at 8:12 am
The only way we could contend, and RR nailed it, is if we decide we are a running team … We run right, we run left, we run up the middle, and when we’re done with that we run some more … We own the clock, keep defense fresh and wins games 17-14, etc. … That’s our hope. Our only hope.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:14 am
Cable said he has a good idea of who will start but won’t tell us until Wednesday.
“There isn’t going to be a controversy,” he said. “I’ll make a good decision, the right decision, and we’ll go from there.”
It’s unclear how much input owner Al Davis will have in the decision. Davis traded for Campbell in the offseason and compared him to Super Bowl MVP Jim Plunkett. Six quarters into the season, Campbell was told to take a seat against the Rams.
-SF Gate
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tomorrow is the big day!
September 21st, 2010 at 8:15 am
With McFadden’s speed and Bush’s bulk, it’s possible … we cold wear down defensive lines because our O line is huge (even if it’s not all that talented) .. But if you think about it, our O Line has been good at running the ball so far … Biggest problem is pass protection
September 21st, 2010 at 8:16 am
if Bruce Gradkowski throws 55 times against the AZ Cardinals, like Sam Bradford did in Week 1 … we’ll lost by at least 10 points
Print That
September 21st, 2010 at 8:18 am
RR .. That’s a fact
September 21st, 2010 at 8:18 am
Big John in the middle makes all the difference. I gotta believe a coach like Mike Waufle, who has won superbowls, understands that this team needs at least one lineman who will stay home and clog the lanes. All the Raiders talking about gang-tackling being the difference are just towing the company line. Gang-tackling wasn’t possible against Chris Johnson because only one person had a bead on him, once he blew threw the line. Gang-tackling isn’t the solution, its the result of gap discipline, linemen staying home to clog lanes and linebackers knowing their assignments. I hope the adjustments made in the 2nd quarter on Sunday are indicitave of the defense growing a little older and wiser. Guys like McClain and Houston maturing, and guys like Hendo, Shaugnessy, Scott, Kelly, Groves and Wimbley getting in sync.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:18 am
But if McFadden rushes for 100+ and Bush adds another 50, we win and we’re suddenly 2-1 and atop the AFC West
September 21st, 2010 at 8:19 am
Bruce will throw for close to 400 yards this weekend.
Print that.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:20 am
If Campbell throws 55 times against the Cardinals we will lose be at least 10 points… so what exactly is your point?
Truth is, we could NEVER sustain enough drives to throw the ball 55 times regardless whos doing the throwing.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:20 am
atop the AFC West
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Ghost: only if KC loses
September 21st, 2010 at 8:22 am
Truth is, we could NEVER sustain enough drives to throw the ball 55 times regardless whos doing the throwing.
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exactly my point. thanks BCZ
September 21st, 2010 at 8:22 am
# ghosttothepost Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 8:15 am
With McFadden’s speed and Bush’s bulk, it’s possible … we cold wear down defensive lines because our O line is huge (even if it’s not all that talented) .. But if you think about it, our O Line has been good at running the ball so far … Biggest problem is pass protection
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We should get Hartwig to play center. That should solve our center issues for the immediate future.
Play Veldheer and Henderson at the tackle spots.
Play Gallery/Loper at LG and move Walker inside to RG.
Henderson/Gallery-Loper/Hartwig/Walker/Veldheer.
That should get the job done until the off season.
Fix the O-line, Win The Division!
September 21st, 2010 at 8:23 am
RR … good point … but I think Whiners expose the Chefs as the farce that they are this weekend … Although, Alex Smith sucks in hostile environments … Can the Chefs really start 3-0?
September 21st, 2010 at 8:23 am
SF is going to SMASH KC this weekend.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:24 am
In the second half this past week, Bruce tossed the ball 22 times in the half, and I believe McFadden had 16 carries.
So 40+ passes, and 30+ carries for Darren.
That will equal a 31-10 victory for the squad.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:25 am
Bruce will throw for close to 400 yards this weekend.
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Kerry Rhodes
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Adrian Wilson
so basically, no chance in Hawaii
September 21st, 2010 at 8:27 am
It’s so foreign for Raiders fans to worry about the center position … Otto, Dalby forever … But ever since Barrett Robbins bailed in the Super Bowl, we’ve been cursed at the position … it’s the Barrett curse
September 21st, 2010 at 8:27 am
SF is going to SMASH KC this weekend.
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like SF smashed Seattle?
like Sandy Eggo smashed KC?
September 21st, 2010 at 8:27 am
JFB Not if Grads goes 50% it wont. Grads is the leader of this team and gets my vote to start, but he has to be better than 50% for us to get a W.
DMac will only get about 20 carries this week. Bush will play and get 15 or so imo…
September 21st, 2010 at 8:27 am
J Marshall is never given a chance to unleash the defense loose. We are always playing from behind or nursing a 2 point lead.
This offense needs to get going yesterday!
September 21st, 2010 at 8:27 am
With a 50% completion percentage, I don’t think they will give the Polish popgun that many opportunities. Even if Campbell gets the start, he has already proven to be ineffective at getting the ball out. With McFadden suddenly breaking out and Bush close to coming back, and considering the O-line’s only skill is run-blocking, this seems like an opportunity for the Raiders coaches to define the personality of this offense. For the last 7 years, they have been the “Keystone Cops” offense; this coming week, they should start a new chapter as the power running offense. Pound the rock early and often, it will result in some 3 outs initially, but that’s OK, our defense is usually stout to start the game. But after a few series, that big O-line will start mauling people and McFadden will get loose. I think this is the week we finally see a home-run from McFadden, 2nd or 3rd quarter, busting thru the gut for 60 or so yards and 6.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:28 am
BCZ … You better hope Alex doesn’t pull a Game 1 repeat … If he does, I’m not so sure there’s going to be any smashing going on in that game
September 21st, 2010 at 8:29 am
If KC is hosting SF it will be 0-3 for the 9ers & Singlefairy can thank another coach for giving his team a good dose of medicine.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:30 am
Bruce averaged 15 yards per completion this past week, and about 13 a completions last year.
25/43 for about 380 yards.
Book it.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:32 am
BART … I agree a million percent … This team needs an identity … I remember old raider teams used to pound the rock for days, and use the passing game when needed … Stabler did it a lot … Of course, we had shell and upshaw … but still, I think that’s thje road this team needs to take … Just Pound, Baby
September 21st, 2010 at 8:33 am
In case some of you didn’t notice, I nailed the exact time in the season (halftime week 2) that Campbell would be benched, about 2 months ago.
I got this QB thing figured out. Bruce lights it up this week. I sense it.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:34 am
At this point we have no chance of becoming a great passing team because 1. Suspect O Line pass protection; 2. Average QBs; 3. Inexperienced WRs
September 21st, 2010 at 8:35 am
Play to your strengths … if it’s pounding the rock and defense, then so be it
September 21st, 2010 at 8:36 am
Bruce averaged 15 yards per completion this past week, and about 13 a completions last year.
25/43 for about 380 yards.
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the Cards have a much better secondary than the Rams
as stated above: Kerry Rhodes, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie & Adrian Wilson
September 21st, 2010 at 8:37 am
JFB … I hope Bruce doesn’t have to light it up … I hope we control the line of scrimmage … If Bruce is 15/22 for 250 yards … and we win … I’m all good
September 21st, 2010 at 8:37 am
The Raiders better get it together soon or SF is going to humiliate us.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:38 am
Vegas…you are on a roll!
Bruce is the MAN!
September 21st, 2010 at 8:39 am
Cable isn’t saying who’s starting so Cards can’t prepare.
Simple as that.
Pretty obvious Grads is starting.
To say that they’re about the same is just stupid troll talk.
Campbell plays scared. Grads plays confident.
Pocket awareness for Grads. Campbell goes down and fumbles like Jamarcus.
And I noticed this in preseason. They play better for Grads. Maybe it’s because he’s a better leader. Not afraid to grab a lineman’s facemask and tell him to get his f$#%king mind in the game!
Grads show confidence in receivers throwing it up and letting them make crazy catches. Same thing Warner used to do. It may come back and bite him but all successful qb’s do this.
Grad’s interception was tipped. So he played a clean game. Made some mistakes. Passing game will improve w/ Mcfad 2nd in nfl in rushing teams have to bite when they fake it to him. And Mcfad and Miller always there for safety valve dump off.
I thought Sparkowski was the real thing last season and still do.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:39 am
I got this QB thing figured out. Bruce lights it up this week. I sense it.
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if you’re so confident that #1 Bruce will start and #2 he’ll have 350+ passing yards … put something on it
I’ll trade you Rodgers & Mendenhall in Dell’s FF league for whatever scrubs you want to get rid of (if Bruce goes 350+)
what do you have to offer?
friendly bet
September 21st, 2010 at 8:41 am
Cable isn’t saying who’s starting so Cards can’t prepare.
Simple as that.
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remember Kiffin doing that with Culpepper & McCown?
worked wonders, didn’t it?
September 21st, 2010 at 8:41 am
I’ll trade you Rodgers & Mendenhall in Dell’s FF league for whatever scrubs you want to get rid of (if Bruce goes 350+)
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Commish will veto that!
September 21st, 2010 at 8:42 am
Arizona Cardinals are -4 with Jason Campbell starting.
I wonder if Bruce were to start, how much would that change?
Arizona even money?
Raiders -2.5 ?
September 21st, 2010 at 8:42 am
Cable isn’t Kiffin, troll.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:42 am
Vegas,
I see you are next up against me in FF.
Good luck!
lmao
September 21st, 2010 at 8:43 am
The Oracle of Vegas knows…
September 21st, 2010 at 8:44 am
Commish will veto that!
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Dell will understand.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:44 am
if Mcfad is 2nd in rushing Cable would be nuts to rotate him. He’s feeling it.
Let him run! Like ghost said, just pound it!
September 21st, 2010 at 8:45 am
A team that is this shaky needs to play to their strengths, and that means controlling time of posession and letting the big uglies push, instead of kick-step. Henderson and Walker scare me as a pass-blockers, but the combo of Henderson/Veldheer, Loper, Walker and Barnes blocking up front is a sweet deal for McFadden. If Bush is back, give him 15 carries and boom you got a decent offense.
I like the Veldheer/Henderson platoon at left tackle, this seems like an idea that should apply to Bruce Campbell as well. The coaches are babying him too much, not giving him any confidence. Put him in there for a few series per game, when we intend to pound the rock, let him get his beak wet. I would love to see a line consisting of:
Veldheer,Loper,Satele,Campbell,Walker
September 21st, 2010 at 8:46 am
Cable isn’t Kiffin
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no, but Culpepper & McCown are basically Campbell & Gradkowski!
September 21st, 2010 at 8:48 am
Jhill: you have nothing to worry about mang
JFB (Vegas) doesn’t have the stones to take that bet. he’s all talk when it comes to Brittle Bruce
September 21st, 2010 at 8:49 am
Grads >>>>> McClown
Cable >>>>> Kitten
September 21st, 2010 at 8:50 am
Well it seems almost unanimous in here that the Raiders should unleash a relentless rushing attack … Cable Guy, are you listening?
September 21st, 2010 at 8:51 am
Too much troll talk.
what a bunch of losers.
I’m out.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:51 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 8:43 am
The Oracle of Vegas knows…
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Oracle of New Mexico… lol
September 21st, 2010 at 8:52 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 8:49 am
Cable >>>>> Kitten
+++++++++++++++++++++
Career records:
Kiffin 15-21
Cable 21-55
Sure about that? Under Kiffin in 07 we were in most games in the 4th quarter…Cable has been blown out of the water about 13 times in his NFL career.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:54 am
I’m out.
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now the trolls, losers and weasels are all gone …
SWEET!
September 21st, 2010 at 8:56 am
YOU PEOPLE that think Jason Campbell should be benched, cut or traded are just racist …
who is next? Hue Jackson?
Disgusting.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:59 am
#443… seriously?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:00 am
who is next? Hue Jackson?
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If he doesn’t hurry up and get his play calling a bit more productive …
ABSOLUTELY !!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:01 am
Its not Hues fault the offense isnt executing.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:03 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 8:56 am
YOU PEOPLE that think Jason Campbell should be benched, cut or traded are just racist …
who is next? Hue Jackson?
Disgusting.
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But isn’t Garbagekowski a Carpathian Gypsy?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:03 am
isn’t Garbagekowski a Carpathian Gypsy?
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bwahahahahaha!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:03 am
Hue can’t control the schytty o-line and the worthless QBs he is given.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:04 am
RaiderRockstar, I want the best player on the field regardless of race. So if I think Campbell is not reading his progression fast enough and the other players perform better with Gradkowski, does that make me a rascist?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:04 am
Grad did his thing and showed his worth but JC is starting. The oline better block better and dammit Hue gotta call better plays. On second and short you run the fawkin ball! That jano miss fg is Hue’s fault
September 21st, 2010 at 9:06 am
JC is starting
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BAUCE!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:06 am
Somehow we cooper carlisle to twist his ankle. Guy is beyond terrible. If we gonna pound the rock then RG gonna be crucial
September 21st, 2010 at 9:08 am
RRS dont get me wrong…..Grad won me over and earned starter status but JC will start and I believe play better now that his job on the line
September 21st, 2010 at 9:09 am
50 years ago today the Lakers signed Jerry West to a two year contract. No other player has had more of an impact on one franchise over the course of his life, from winning as a player, to coaching, to being the best GM in the history of B-ball, to instigating the Gasol trade to the Lakers!
Thank you Jerry West!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:10 am
If a person of color (of which I’m not)wants Cable to be fired, under your reasoning would not that person be racist because Cable is White?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:10 am
Run the ball and call easy pass plays that allow JC to get ball out fast. The deeper plays will open. Cant just air it out off top.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:10 am
Exla,
I think Rockstar is just stirring the pot.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:10 am
Campbell s..ks.
He doesn’t have the guts to run for a first down.
I would keep him as a third string backup, and then cut him at the end of the season.
I wish we had picked up Michael Vick.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:11 am
Exla: Cable is a wife beating buffoon
Jason Campbell isn’t
September 21st, 2010 at 9:11 am
Exla…..lets not even entertain that
September 21st, 2010 at 9:12 am
I wish we had picked up Michael Vick.
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me too!
all the sensitive puppy lovers in here protested
September 21st, 2010 at 9:13 am
platoon Bruce Campbell with Cooper Carlisle during the Cardinals game, start getting his confidence up. Once Gallery is healthy, we need Loper to slide over to starting RG. How Carlisle retains that starting job is beyond me, he looks like a little kid standing next to Langston Walker.
I also think J. Campbell gets the start. His last chance to take the reins of this team is on the road in Arizona, where the rabid raider fans wont boo him and game-plan should be a double dose of that McFadden ish. But his leash will probably be shorter than it was Sunday: The first time he takes a knee, spikes the ball or slide-falls 3 yards early, Cable will yank him. A win at Arizona is just as important as that home win last week, if Cable wants to survive past bye week, and he knows it.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:14 am
Kirk…..please shut up….you always say the most ridiculous things. Site is better served if you left……thanks
September 21st, 2010 at 9:14 am
If Al gives Cable the choice, it will be Gradkowski starting.
If Al makes the decision, it will be Campbell.
Cable has film on both now to try to persuade Al so we will see tomorrow.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 8:44 am
Commish will veto that!
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Dell will understand.
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All managers in the FFL will have to vote on any trade.
So with any trade, bring it up, and let’s see what happens.
I’m still waiting for a trade offer from Dakota, for DMAC. My only request, with any player he decides to trade, is a gift certificate for $20.00, to KFC, for the cole slaw.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:15 am
platoon Bruce Campbell with Cooper Carlisle during the Cardinals game
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Bruce Campbell & Nick Miller were both active last week and neither of them even sniffed the field.
as soon as we get some of these injured players nursed back to health the above mentioned scrubs will go back to the inactive list – both are practice squad material anyways
September 21st, 2010 at 9:16 am
BBB….I DISAGREE…..Gallery needs to stay hurt. He sucks
September 21st, 2010 at 9:16 am
Ah hell, lets start Southwick!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:17 am
Dell,
If I trade for McFadden it will simply jinx him and we all lose.
I’ll stick with Ray Rice and Shady McCoy for now.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:17 am
All managers in the FFL will have to vote on any trade.
So with any trade, bring it up, and let’s see what happens.
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Dell, thanks for your input
no worries though …
JFB will chicken out. this won’t even be an issue
September 21st, 2010 at 9:17 am
Bruce Campbell a practice squad guy?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:17 am
If Vick puts on the Raider Uni, I’m offically a Raider Hater!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:19 am
Who wants to bet Atlanta beats NO and takes over that division for rest of season? Reggie Bush done for 2 months changes things
September 21st, 2010 at 9:19 am
Dakota Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:17 am
Dell,
If I trade for McFadden it will simply jinx him and we all lose.
I’ll stick with Ray Rice and Shady McCoy for now.
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Oh darn, I was hoping for some cole slaw.
McCoy probably has his best game of the year, and now your happy with him. You’ll be crying in a few weeks for that trade to come up again.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:19 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:17 am
If Vick puts on the Raider Uni, I’m offically a Raider Hater!
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What happened, did Ron Mexico give one of your family members something incurable?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:20 am
RNO for what? Over a damn dog? Lol come on man
September 21st, 2010 at 9:21 am
Jon, all I used was the s word for things. I’ll try again.
Dakota Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:10 am
Exla,
I think Rockstar is just stirring the pot.
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He still has not recovered from the wk 1 FF whooping. Scarred him emotionally. LOL BTW, I took mine like a man. Outscored everyone by 30 point and still 1-1. Oh well, things happens.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:21 am
Dell,
I certainly hope I regret not making the trade! Keep it going McFadden!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:21 am
ESPN’s Adam Schefter predicts that the Raiders will name Bruce Gradkowski the starter over Jason Campbell.
It appears to be just an educated guess, but we’re inclined to agree with Schefter. Coach Tom Cable reportedly is in Gradkowski’s corner, while owner Al Davis might prefer Campbell. A decision is expected to come Wednesday. Sep. 21 – 11:26 am et
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Oh snap, Schefter says Grads will start. That means Davis will make sure JC starts just to spite him.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:23 am
Exla,
That was some score we both put up in FF this week. Rivers, McCoy and the Steelers D really came through for me.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:23 am
EX
you are having an excellent FFL this year, keep it going. I know losing with 154 points sucks, but that happens some times.
Don’t make any stupid changes, you have some good players, and keep it rolling.
I on the other hand, suck the big one. I’m barely hanging on.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:23 am
People in NFL are doing worse than dog crimes
September 21st, 2010 at 9:23 am
Yes, keep it going McFadden! My FF team thanks you.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:25 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:16 am
Ah hell, lets start Southwick!
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Word, however Danny is too important to the team now as DMAC’s personal savior.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:25 am
Big Banana lol…..yep and we still gotta win. JC or Grad guys gotta play well
September 21st, 2010 at 9:26 am
Brien, you and I are in 100% agreement about Gallery. I can’t stand the guy, and hope every season for someone to take his job at LG. But for now, I would take the tandem of Gallery and Loper, over Loper and Carlisle to get the running game going.
Best example of Gallery’s suckiness was the trick play in Game 1 where JLH threw a pass to Campbell out in the flat. Gallery had one little DB to block out and Campbell would have been all alone. Galleery hurled himself forward and completeley misses any portion of the players body then fell harmlessly to the ground…and we all know what happened next.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:26 am
Rockstar,
I don’t trade in FF. I roll with my horses.
But I will bet you on who will have the better run D this year, Jacksonville or Oakland, and we can offset it with best total defense, and total points allowed.
3 categories, whoever gets 2 out of 3 wins. I’ll take whatever currency they use in Podunk.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:26 am
Bauce 4 Real Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:23 am
People in NFL are doing worse than dog crimes
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Yep, just look at the intentional infliction of emotional distress Al Davis has perpetrated against Raiders’ fans for the past 25 years!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:26 am
He still has not recovered from the wk 1 FF whooping. Scarred him emotionally.
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EXla, I’m in 4 leagues bro
if I lose 1 game in 1 league = no big deal
still early in the season and I might be getting some decent players from JFB’s squad after Bruce starts this week and fails to net 350 passing yards
(JFB predicted 380 yards. I’m being generous)
September 21st, 2010 at 9:28 am
The Big Banana
“Oh snap, Schefter says Grads will start. That means Davis will make sure JC starts just to spite him.”
Again its win/win for Davis.
Campbell will start and Cable will pull him if he sucks. If Grad sucks Al say I told you so-Fires Cable WK 4.
If Campbell starts and actually does something Al is great again. Who needs Cable?
If Cable pulls Campbell and Grad plays well, Al is great. Al takes the credit.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:28 am
Trade DMAC for Jerry West!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:29 am
I will bet you on who will have the better run D this year, Jacksonville or Oakland, and we can offset it with best total defense, and total points allowed.
3 categories, whoever gets 2 out of 3 wins. I’ll take whatever currency they use in Podunk.
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the deal was RUN DEFENSE only.
I knew you would back down from your Bruce predictions. LOL!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:30 am
Dakota Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 8:42 am
Vegas,
I see you are next up against me in FF.
Good luck!
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I got the second fewest points in the league, and I am 2-0. Some people just have what it takes to win.
Expect to score about 80 points this week.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:31 am
Braveheartraider,
I don’t think Al will fire Cable during the season no matter what.
Al has taken too much grief over the years for running through coaches. Al will let Cable finish out the season and then not renew his contract going into the lockout. Once the lockout is over, hopefully some of the Al Davis stink will have washed off the franchise and maybe a legit HC might take the job.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:31 am
Well PFT just posted an article……rift may be in locker room……holy shhhhhht
September 21st, 2010 at 9:31 am
I received an email from Marley, commenting about the league scoring. i sent out a warning to all before the draft on the scoring, only a few suggestions, and nobody said a thing regarding the QB scoring.
So next time, I;ll look at it again, next year. For this season ‘ I love it, it has everybody on their toes and scoring.
I checked on yahoo average scoring fantasy points and our league, is above then average.
Close games create, good smack talk, don’t they?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:33 am
Bauce 4 Real Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:31 am
Well PFT just posted an article……rift may be in locker room……holy shhhhhht
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Bauce
What are you doing reading PFT? You make the news!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:33 am
2-0 is a nice record… I like it
September 21st, 2010 at 9:33 am
B,
Dogs have feelings too. They feel pain, anger, etc….
Vick killed dogs. It’s not right! Period!
We are not perfect, so we shouldn’t be so hard on other people when they mistakes.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:34 am
Now Dell likes smack talk?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:35 am
We are not perfect, so we shouldn’t be so hard on other people when they mistakes.
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thats right
we all love Raider O, even though he was DEAD WRONG about Michael Huff
September 21st, 2010 at 9:36 am
Gradkowski, Campbell conundrum could spark a locker-room rift
Posted by Mike Florio on September 21, 2010 12:05 PM ET
With the Raiders unexpectedly yanking quarterback Jason Campbell for Bruce Gradkowski and then apparently doctoring the post-game quotes from coach Tom Cable to suggest . . . well, something, we’re picking up strong indications of a potential locker-room problem between Campbell and Gradkowski.
Campbell perceives, we’re told, that Gradkowski actively has lobbied quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett, who worked with Gradkowski in Tampa, to give Gradlowski a chance to play.
Gradkowski got that chance on Sunday, and he made the most of it in a come-from-behind win over the Rams.
Whether Campbell’s perception is accurate doesn’t matter. It’s the kind of thing that could create trouble between the two quarterbacks, sparking an atmosphere much different than the whole Warner Brothers polite gophers vibe in Philly. It also could, as other situations like this have done, spread to the locker room.
In Oakland, the potential dysfunction arguably wouldn’t even qualify as typical dysfunction. But dysfunction it still is, and it comes at a time when the Raiders supposedly had found an answer at the quarterback position.
The challenge for Cable will be to come up with a way to contain the situation before it becomes a problem. And it likely will require an approach far more subtle than accidentally breaking someone’s jaw.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:36 am
Dell,
If they have a problem with the scoring they should have spoken up earlier. Forget ‘em!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:36 am
Campbell accusing Grad of going and lobbying to Paul Hackett……..we dont need this BS
September 21st, 2010 at 9:37 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:34 am
Now Dell likes smack talk?
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BSJ
I don’t have that sincere, laughable points you have down, but I’m trying.
I’m just a JAFO, following your lead, and soon I’ll wise up to your incredible talents.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:37 am
Campbell accusing Grad of going and lobbying to Paul Hackett……..we dont need this BS
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Typical, Campbell, leaking his whining azz to media folks, and playing the victim.
You got beef, man up and say something!!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:38 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:35 am
We are not perfect, so we shouldn’t be so hard on other people when they mistakes.
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thats right
we all love Raider O, even though he was DEAD WRONG about Michael Huff
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And Franz Joseph
September 21st, 2010 at 9:38 am
If they have a problem with the scoring they should have spoken up earlier. Forget ‘em!
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Agreed
I never read the fine print. my fault
September 21st, 2010 at 9:38 am
Dell no Im not the new….according too one poster Im a stalkeer or groupie lol
September 21st, 2010 at 9:39 am
If Al wants Campbell to start he should just cut Garbagekowski.
It took Al cutting Farglass to prevent Cable from giving him the majority of the carries.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:39 am
“Half the locker room knows what “conundrum” means and feel smug about it. The other half feel they’re being talked down to and are resentful. It’s not a healthy situation.”
Now THATS a good quote… LOL
September 21st, 2010 at 9:39 am
If we had picked up Vick, chances are we would have ruined him. Now is the time to pick him up.
We would be putting up 30 plus points every game. All our young track stars would benifit. We have a young team with tons of talent. A great QB would put us over the top.
Can you imagine Bush/DMAC pounding the ball and every time Vick goes back to pass they have to worry about him as well.
SUPERBOWL TEAM Way too fast for everyone else
I would offer Bush and maybe even trade for Vick
Only because I am worried about Bruce being injury prone
September 21st, 2010 at 9:39 am
Dakota
Jhill is upset. Seems that he has been beat, by some extra scoring.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:40 am
You got beef, man up and say something!!!!
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JFB, you really want JCamp to do something about this?
Gradkowski is already 2 seconds away from IR and we need a competent backup!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:40 am
Gotcha Dell!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:40 am
If we have NFL next year, I look for KC to draft a QB and take over the division.
Coaching matters.
Raiders have no coaching. Tom Cable is not an elite coach.
If he were on the open market today, who in the NFL would give him a shot? NOBODY!
KC has put together an A+ Front office, along with A+ coaches.
They are 2-0.
I am really beginning to hate Al Davis.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am
according too one poster Im a stalkeer or groupie
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ROG: I’m a “troll” because I don’t agree with certain posters!
bwahahaha
September 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am
Damn JC….hope this is sum bs story….no need to whine since Al letting you start but……….
September 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am
I would offer Bush and maybe even trade Nnamdi for Vick
is what I meant to say above
September 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am
Trade Campbell to Ariz. for their first round pick. Bidwell dosn’t want to pay top 5 money. We all know AD will.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am
Bauce 4 Real Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:38 am
Dell no Im not the new….according too one poster Im a stalkeer or groupie lol
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I would love to hit some clubs with you, when I was younger, then I could be a stalker also.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am
RR,
I said he played well, but I don’t think thats what you want. You want me to say I was Wrong! lol
I was WRONG about Huff. He can play FS.
Happy?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am
Campbell seems like a sissy to me. How did this information get out? Or is Florio just making this crap up? Always possible as PFT has a bunch of dbag writers. If it is true, Campbell needs to take the benching like a man. Sit down and STFU! Grads didn’t b1tch when Campbell came over and proclaimed himself the starter.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:43 am
Plunketthead Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am
I would offer Bush and maybe even trade Nnamdi for Vick
is what I meant to say above
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Plunk
Great win last night, good luck on the rest of your FFL.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:43 am
Raider Dell Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:39 am
Dakota
Jhill is upset. Seems that he has been beat, by some extra scoring.
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He’ll get over it once his team benefits from the scoring system to win a game.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:43 am
Raider O: I’m just messing with you bro
how’s the “product” coming along for PEF?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:43 am
Bruce would slap down JC.
Those Pennsylvania dudes are tough. Bruce don’t have a nice smile and Miss USA chick for a reason.
He drinks beer and chews on the bottle.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:45 am
Trade Campbell to Ariz. for their first round pick.
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we got him for a 2012 4th rounder
most we could get for him now is probably what we gave Washington. he hasn’t exactly blazed the field thru 1.5 games
September 21st, 2010 at 9:45 am
…….word on the street is Hue Jackson and Strength and conditioning coach Brad Roll were slamming Casadores shots at Kincaid’s. Bartender asked about qb issue and Hue said he didnt know wait til later…..JC
September 21st, 2010 at 9:45 am
Dell,
F Joseph! The next Ray Lewis!
LOL
September 21st, 2010 at 9:45 am
What kind of extra scoring am I missing? My scoring seems pretty legit. Admittedly I havent paid much attention to that league though.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:46 am
Campbell needs to sell Hackett on his skillz, beginning with good practices. The scoreboard proved Hackett right about Grads, so Jason had better learn from this “opportunity”.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:46 am
The majority of the stories about the Raiders wind up being a little truth mixed with lies but you could say that about most everything
September 21st, 2010 at 9:46 am
is a gift certificate for $20.00, to KFC, for the cole slaw.
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That’s a lot of cole slaw!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:46 am
Boy, the Nation sure turned on Campbell fast didn’t it?
Wasn’t that long ago that you people were pumped to hear Campbell arrived in the bay area and met with Hue Jackson.
6 quarters of football later and he is schyt on by the fans?
Cable deserved that after about 6 quarters of his coaching, but most of you guys are STILL giving him a break!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:47 am
Dakota
You got some heat for the DMAC list yesterday. Since all the “Keepers of the Faith” have taken so much abuse, can you post it again.
Thanks,
Raider Dell
September 21st, 2010 at 9:47 am
Thanks Dell
September 21st, 2010 at 9:48 am
J Hill Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:46 am
is a gift certificate for $20.00, to KFC, for the cole slaw.
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That’s a lot of cole slaw!
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Jhill
Golf charity tournament coming up, just wanted to help out.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:49 am
Bruce will get his ass beat by that tall country mufgga. VR you gotta be very careful of calm ppl when its time to scrap. They holding alot in
September 21st, 2010 at 9:49 am
THE RUE THE DAY THEY HATED ON OR WERE WISHY-WASHY ON MCFADDEN LIST:
Lefty12
M Lonetree
Priesttj (f.k.a. Blackholepriest)
Bo Schebechler Jackson
Oakglenn (Seymour Bush and so many others)
The Big Banana
Nnamdi21
OFL71
Kirk
JT
Raiderduck
SnB
Scottish Raider
los raiders de don rober
Sweep the leg
Indiana Raider
Djohnnyg
DarthPirate
JB
Just Fire Baby (f.k.a. Vegas Raider)
LA to TheBay ( Keeper of the Faith status revoked)
mack-madden
Hairy Bush
RaiderRon
morilla
No Mas Diamante
inonewordraider
SteveAlford21
ELWAYs TEETH
Richard Bentley
COW
RaiderfanNY
the_big_one_of_83
SR Raider
hwnrdr
Lowdown_in_Beijing
Zymurge
Florida Pete
Exla
RaiderTay
Fat Kidd
raiderzmaverick
SnB offense defense specialteams
LT DAN
Norco Bob
Macho Man Randy Savage
AIG
R8eray
Thec07
TheyCallMeAssassin
HayesDaze37
408Raider
THE KEEPERS OF THE FAITH LIST:
Dakota
Br1en (a.k.a. Return of whatever he is called)
Jhill
r8dr4lfe21
Chris in NY
Dell
Up Locomotive Engineer
AZ Raider2
DMAC
SnB offense defense specialteams
ny-raider
DKnight007
Hot Shot
On the beach in Cancun
BigTed707
Rockstar
Bob Marley
Armond
RaiderLen
Big Pep
BartBB
September 21st, 2010 at 9:49 am
Keepers of the Faith for Jason Campbell:
RaiderRockstar
The End
September 21st, 2010 at 9:49 am
If I have a player that b1tches after a benching and makes accusations of the player in front of him, that’s a big red flag. I’d rip into him pretty good. Then I’d seriously consider releasing him since he’s obviously not a team player.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:49 am
LMN
is real giddy. Won his FFL matchup. I see a tidal wave of euro coming.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am
I thought the Campbell project was a good idea.Anything was an upgrade from Russell. I haven’t turned on anyone, I want the best guy to start. But as I posted earlier there is no denying the lift that the team and the fans took fron Grad.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am
RR,
I don’t have a lot of time. I’m focused on school. I’m almost done.
I’m taking Acct, Corp Fin, investments, and Islam. I hate Acct & Corp fin (I will get As), but I love investments. My Islam instructor is a freak (he talks to God)! lol
I have to go, later Bro.
Later Nation.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am
If he gets the opportunity to start, by the end of the year I certainly will not be the only one calling him Garbagekowski lol.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:51 am
I’ll take the white dude with the bald head, and no neck from Pennslyvania over the dude with the pretty smile and the pageant girlfriend.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:52 am
Im still down for JC but saw Grads inject life in the crowd. JC gotta step it up Dakota. I aint gave up period on this team. We gotta win no matter who plays
September 21st, 2010 at 9:52 am
the dude with the pretty smile
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JFB, did you just say JCamp has a pretty mouth ???
September 21st, 2010 at 9:53 am
He’ll get over it once his team benefits from the scoring system to win a game.
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LOL!
Really though, the QB settings are ridiculous man.
My bad for not paying attention earlier I guess.
55 pts for Romo’s performance?????
LMFAO!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:53 am
Fkin wannabe investment monkey! Cya.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:54 am
I can admit, I wiffed badly on Darren.
I did always say he could be a great receiving RB…….but I think I also claimed Justin Fargas might get more rushing yards than him this year lol.
Hey, go D-Mac. Guy is running hard out there, just don’t get hurt.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:54 am
Thats “mouf” to you.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:54 am
Just now watching The Hangover ….
LMFAO!!!!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:54 am
RRS u put me down as well on that list
September 21st, 2010 at 9:55 am
J Hill Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:54 am
Just now watching The Hangover ….
LMFAO!!!!!!
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I can’t believe they find their friend dead in the trunk…not really a funny ending!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:55 am
Dakota Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am
If he gets the opportunity to start, by the end of the year I certainly will not be the only one calling him Garbagekowski lol.
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saving this post to remind you of it at the end of the year!!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:55 am
Hangover is too damn funny
September 21st, 2010 at 9:56 am
JFB, did you just say JCamp has a pretty mouth ???
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The dude is constantly smiling, every picture I ever seen of him.
I bet he bleached his teeth.
Meanwhile, Bruce is on mug, 24/7.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:56 am
taken from comment posted at pft…
ESPN’s Bill Williamson has a MUCH more logical posting regarding the Raiders QB situation.
Basically the Raiders OL is so pathetic that Gradkowski’s style of play actually works better with them.
And I quote:
“Gradkowski is the type of player who can make do with Oakland’s weak offensive line because he gets the ball out of hands quickly and he makes plays with his feet. When the protection breaks down, Gradkowski can keep plays going.”
Bottom line Campbell is the long term QB and better fits what the Raiders want to do. He has been “blessed” by Al and if Cable can’t make it work with Campbell, eventually Cable will go and Hue Jackson will take over.
BUT until the Raiders can field a legit NFL caliber OL, Cable is forced to consider playing Gradkowski. Cable has GOT to start winning games OFTEN or he will be GONE!
September 21st, 2010 at 9:57 am
I can’t believe they find their friend dead in the trunk…not really a funny ending!
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UHHHHH ….
Thanks ?!??!?!?!? for telling me the end ?!?!?!?!?
September 21st, 2010 at 9:59 am
muhahahahahahahahaaaaa
September 21st, 2010 at 9:59 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 9:45 am
Trade Campbell to Ariz. for their first round pick.
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we got him for a 2012 4th rounder
most we could get for him now is probably what we gave Washington. he hasn’t exactly blazed the field thru 1.5 games
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Throw in Mario in the trade but photoshop the films.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:59 am
Well all this will blow over if JC plays well and we leave desert with a win. Its vital to get this game. First time in 8 years we would be over .500……….with houston,sd and sf up next we gotta get it together
September 21st, 2010 at 10:00 am
Raider defensive staff, rotated in Houston as the three technique last game. I watched him for a few plays, looks comfortable to me.
I just believe, they need to realign the players, and stop messing with a speed rusher, over a gap discipline player.
I just believe the more matchups we create, the offensive line, must match up to the Raiders.
Seymour can bounce in and out, so can Houston, leave Henderson in the NT position and play Shonasty on either end and play Scott in a stand up position.
Let the other teams QB, figure who is coming or playing pass.
Let’s have some deception, this straight 4-3 stuff only works so long, as we have a lead, we need more hybrid formations, and we have the players to pull it off.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:01 am
ATTENTION!!!
Google Chrome is telling me this site has been infected by golovazastrala.com or something and has to potential to spread malware. Jerry? What’s up with this?
September 21st, 2010 at 10:02 am
Sorry, I’ll turn on any quarterback making $4 million a year who slides down before the first down marker.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:02 am
“Gradkowski is the type of player who can make do with Oakland’s weak offensive line because he gets the ball out of hands quickly and he makes plays with his feet. When the protection breaks down, Gradkowski can keep plays going.”
Bottom line Campbell is the long term QB and better fits what the Raiders want to do. He has been “blessed” by Al and if Cable can’t make it work with Campbell, eventually Cable will go and Hue Jackson will take over.
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completely agree
September 21st, 2010 at 10:04 am
Kirk is not giving up on that slide!!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:05 am
well we got 3-4 defense to play this week. AZ has big dline and the OL on notice this week. Mario or Jared must not allow blindside hits
September 21st, 2010 at 10:05 am
EXla: you honestly think AZ would cough up a 1st rounder for JCamp & Stupid Mario?
throw in McClain!
ask for Darnell Dockett & thier 2nd rounder in exchange
then with two high 2nd rounders next year we can move up into Round 1 for a CB (Routt’s replacement)
September 21st, 2010 at 10:07 am
Kirk is an idiot
September 21st, 2010 at 10:08 am
Darnell Dockett? For what?
September 21st, 2010 at 10:08 am
Can you imagine a DT rotation of Dockett, Kelly, Seymour & Henderson ???
run defense solved.
Bryant & Alford are garbage
September 21st, 2010 at 10:09 am
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see Campbell starting the next game.
We are rotating LTs, so why not rotate the QBs?
September 21st, 2010 at 10:09 am
Cards get:
Jason Campbell
Mario Henderson
Rolando McBust
Raiders get:
Darnell Dockett
2nd round pick
September 21st, 2010 at 10:09 am
Jason Campbell began the second game in Oakland and could not score with the first THREE Red Zone opportunities!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:10 am
The rule of thumb is that each year you go out, knocks down about a round for a trade.
I.E. A 2010 5th rounder is equal to a 2012 3rd rounder.
So the market for Campbell was a 2012 4th rounder, or a 2010 6th rounder.
So if we take a pick in 2015, maybe we can get a 2nd rounder for him!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:11 am
Yes Dell i agree with you on dline rotation…..i been saying this all along but Big John Is a proven NT in NFL in the 4-3 scheme. Seymour is a LDE and Houston/Shaughnessy at RDE. Kelly is a UT…….when Raiders figure it out we got a top 15 defense
September 21st, 2010 at 10:12 am
THE RUE THE DAY THEY HATED ON OR WERE WISHY-WASHY ON GRADKOWSKI LIST:
Dakota
RaiderRockstar
Severeraiderz
Priesttj
Mistic1
Fat Kidd
KoolKell
THE SOON TO BE VINDICATED LIST:
Just Fire Baby
LA to TheBay
The Big Banana
J Hill
Aig-Raiders
ArmChair GM
Raider75
Kirk
TerrapinRaider
Try Some Reality
Beach
JB
Raider-DEE
Lefty12
IslandRaider
Armond
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
Braveheartraider
Raiderzmaverick
Bcz24
Weaselbit
Exlaraidersseasonticketholder
September 21st, 2010 at 10:12 am
I believe the fans prefer Bruce Gradkowski because of his attitude for the game. Bruce is a machine! He brings heart and desire to the team.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:13 am
B
Those three games are gonna be real tough but our last 7 games after the break is looking rough as well
At Pitts
Dolphins
at SD
at Jacksonville
Denver
Colts
at Chiefs
September 21st, 2010 at 10:14 am
RRS let it go…..RoMac is a rookie and isnt Kirk….thank god. Kirk is complete garabge as a MLb. He is a WLB. RoMac looked way better with Hendu as the NT
September 21st, 2010 at 10:14 am
Campbell bails out in a heap of fear, in front of a guy who is 30 pounds lighter than him, with a first-down still possible.
Bruce takes on two LB’s, who weigh about 30 pounds more than him, head-first with maybe an extra yard still possible.
And Bruce is the injury-prone one? If Campbell got that hit they might have had to call in the Medevac and air-lifted him off the field.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:14 am
He brings heart and desire to the team
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so did Justin Fargas
where is he? unemployed while Darren McBeast makes a name for himself
September 21st, 2010 at 10:15 am
Darnell Docket at what spot? LOL RDe? Put the dope down buddy. Dockett has no room here
September 21st, 2010 at 10:15 am
Banana: it makes sense that Dakota & JFB are at the top of each list
glad I came in 2nd though!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:16 am
when Raiders figure it out we got a top 15 defense
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#11 right now my friend.
BAUCE!!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:16 am
Bruce has the hearts of the Raider fans already and he has proven himself a leader on the field!! We really can’t say that about Jason Campbell.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:17 am
Ray….u are right JC didnt but the first redzone trip was Hue’s fault. How do u not run it on 2nd and 1? Then a pitch play for loss on 3rd down……nuts
September 21st, 2010 at 10:17 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:15 am
Banana: it makes sense that Dakota & JFB are at the top of each list
glad I came in 2nd though!
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You have some nice company on that list, by the way. lol…
September 21st, 2010 at 10:18 am
Bruce is the injury-prone one?
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yes
have you been asleep since the first quarter of the Washington game last year?
September 21st, 2010 at 10:18 am
RaiderRockstar,
You really didn’t take me seriously? LMFAO
September 21st, 2010 at 10:18 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:08 am
Can you imagine a DT rotation of Dockett, Kelly, Seymour & Henderson ???
run defense solved.
Bryant & Alford are garbage
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
One man’s garbage is another man’s gold.
RRS, Alford played a little last game, got some decent push on Bradford. How can you judge somone, who played less than 10 snaps, and has a super bowl ring and was part of the NY Giants D-Line in that great victory.
I’ll take your answer off the air, meeting time. Catch you later.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:19 am
Bruce was BRAUCE Gradkowski. If he starts Im cool with it
September 21st, 2010 at 10:19 am
You have some nice company on that list, by the way
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LOL
I’ll take Severe & Mistic with me to battle every day!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:19 am
so did Justin Fargas
where is he? unemployed while Darren McBeast makes a name for himself
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Jason Campbell = Darren McBeast ?????
September 21st, 2010 at 10:20 am
Never saw Bruce ride shottie in a golf-cart.
Bruce missed two games this preseason with injury, so did Campbell.
Bruce couldn’t finish one year so far in the league (last year), same with Campbell (2007).
Looks like a wash to me.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:22 am
But JC IS STARTING…..no excuses for not putting it in the endzone. Winning is all that matters now
September 21st, 2010 at 10:23 am
Looks like a wash to me.
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Jhill: when did you let DJ Vegas borrow the turntables?
he sure can spin it!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:23 am
Got to say, I got a little beef with SnB, Raider75 and Jhill on the “Soon to be vindicated list”.
JHill accused me of spreading propaganda all offseason in regards to Bruce, SnB told me I believe in fairy tales, and Raider75 was openly mocking Bruce during a preseason game.
My list of Bruce believers from all offseason would be:
Plunketthead
4eva
Chris in NY
R8eray
…..and maybe a couple of others that slip my mind.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:24 am
Jason Campbell learns how to be a bit more accurate with the WRs, I have no problem with him at QB.
Inaccuracy is a big issue though.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:26 am
There is a bunch of b.s. on this board.
Campbell threw the ball into the dirt because the screen was blown up by the defense, rather than take another sack or force the ball in and have a turn over he got rid of it. THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO!!!!!.
I saw several plays where J.C eluded the pressure and delivered a nice ball, and one where he ran for the first down. People because of this love affair with bruce dont want to acknowledge that campbell is and was mobile in sunday’s game.
Lastly, campbell just got here, he needs time to digest the system gel with his team, and establish the timing of the offense. YOU MUST BE IN THE GAME TO GET THIS DONE!!!! THIS ONLY COMES THROUGH GAME TIME REPS!!!!! BENCHING HIM AFTER 6 QUARTERS IS DUMB. CABLE’S TIME TABLE AND CAMPBELLS TIME TABLE ARE NOT THE SAME. CABLE LOSES TO THE RAMS AND HE IS PROBABLY GONE SO HE SELFISHLY INSERTED BRUCE TO SAVE HIS OWN A$$, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ROBBING CAMPBELL HIS CHANCE TO GET A FEEL AND GROW INTO HIS LEADERSHIP ROLE!!! THIS IS INEXCUSABLE.
Finally stop with all the of jc doesnt anticipate garbage!!! I watched campbell play all through college and most of his young nfl career. Typically it takes him until about midseason to be able to “anticipate’ and be in rythm with the receivers because he is always in a new system. In his second year with zorn he hit the ground running and almost always delivers the ball before the receivers made the break.
Opinions are fine, but please, if you havent watched campbell play before more than 1 or 2 games YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!! Likewise if you didnt see the game on sunday, stop pretending to like you know what happened.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:26 am
RR – you need to work a little harder on your Gradkowski hate to overtake Dakota. Speaking of which, I think I need to elevate Mistic1 after his post yesterday which was WAY out there:
“The raiders wone for a few reasons and none of them are Bruce Gradkowski!!!! as a matter of fact the raiders won despite Gradkowski almost throwing the game away!!!”
LOL….wow
September 21st, 2010 at 10:27 am
Campbell was rather boring to watch! I don’t know about you guys, but when Bruce gets in there, I’m on the edge of my seat! He gives us the best chance, and puts up numbers, moves the chains!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:27 am
JHill accused me of spreading propaganda all offseason
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bwahahahahahaha!
me too man. I think he even labeled me a noted propagandist
September 21st, 2010 at 10:30 am
I think I need to elevate Mistic1 after his post yesterday which was WAY out there:
“The raiders wone for a few reasons and none of them are Bruce Gradkowski!!!! as a matter of fact the raiders won despite Gradkowski almost throwing the game away!!!”
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Banana: yeah man, thats WAY more than anything I’ve said about Little Bruce at this point in time
September 21st, 2010 at 10:30 am
Mistic1 is to Jason Campbell as Priest was to Jamarcus Russell.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:31 am
Ray hard to ignore game we were just at. BRAUCE did his thing to help us get the win. We needed it and moral is high. No matter who starts momentum must be carried into AZ
September 21st, 2010 at 10:32 am
Rams never had the ball with a chance to take the lead yet he “almost threw the game away”.
What if we would have punted and they guy returned it to the 38 yard line? Would our punt coverage almost covered there way out of the ballgame?
September 21st, 2010 at 10:33 am
Lol cant believe the BAUCE now believes in the BRAUCE! Hey if u win u shut even big mouths like me up! lmao
September 21st, 2010 at 10:34 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:23 am
Got to say, I got a little beef with SnB, Raider75 and Jhill on the “Soon to be vindicated list”.
JHill accused me of spreading propaganda all offseason in regards to Bruce, SnB told me I believe in fairy tales, and Raider75 was openly mocking Bruce during a preseason game.
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This is true and I had a beef with him too a little while ago but he has rebounded and admitted his mistake like a man. I’m ok with having him on the vindicated list as he’s most recently been lobbying for the right side.
I’ll remove SnB and Raider75.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:36 am
By the end of the season looking back Campbell will be the best QB. He has the better arm he just has not got into rythm with his WRs yet.
Grad flys by the seat of his pants and it is exciting but he won’t get them to the playoffs, with easy to catch jump balls.
You can throw that short simple BS aginst a team like the Rams. But you need a laser aginst the big boys of the NFL.
By the way Boeller sucked more than both of these guys for baltimore.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:37 am
we need lists like that for every player on the roster.
Put me down as wishy-washy or hating on: Gallery, Carlisle, Walker, M. Henderson, Satele, Meyers, Schilens, Scott(as a DE), CJ, Mitchell and Ricky Brown.
and keeping the faith on: Veldheer, B. Campbell, Loper, McFadden, Reece, Bush, Z. Miller, DHB, JLH, Big John, Houston, McClain, Goethel, W. McFadden, Stevie Brown, Huff, Routt (on the outside), Shaugnessy, Wimbley and Groves.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:37 am
Guys we are fine……hopefully Norco Bob,r8eray and VR hook up and do it live in Glendale this weekend. And we shall win! Team wants it! We tired of losing and being soft. That is why crowd reacted to BRAUCE and RoMac slam
September 21st, 2010 at 10:38 am
Banana,
Making a list is a big responsibility…you gotta get that schyt right!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:38 am
Updated list – priesttj has been elevated as well as I remember him being pretty hard on Grads when JaMeatLoaf was around. RR – you’re moving down the list buddy. Step up your game. lol
THE RUE THE DAY THEY HATED ON OR WERE WISHY-WASHY ON GRADKOWSKI LIST:
Mistic1
Priesttj
Dakota
RaiderRockstar
Severeraiderz
Fat Kidd
KoolKell
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
Raider75
THE SOON TO BE VINDICATED LIST:
Just Fire Baby
LA to TheBay
The Big Banana
J Hill
Aig-Raiders
ArmChair GM
Kirk
TerrapinRaider
Try Some Reality
Beach
JB
Raider-DEE
Lefty12
IslandRaider
Armond
Braveheartraider
Raiderzmaverick
Bcz24
Weaselbit
Exlaraidersseasonticketholder
R8eray
Plunketthead
4eva
Chris in NY
September 21st, 2010 at 10:39 am
lol, Dakota. Yeah, I’m findind this out.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:40 am
Anyways guys i gotta run……instead of arguing over BRAUCE and JC, its Tuesday lets talk about matchups and strategies vs AZ…….let me know what yall think. JUST WIN……..Bauce!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:41 am
hopefully Norco Bob,r8eray and VR hook up and do it live in Glendale this weekend.
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Why don’t you hope in the ride and make it out as well?
Scottsdale ladies my friend, they all look like porn-stars.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:42 am
Bauce – I see you’re trying to make your way onto the vindicated list. Good work, fine sir. Welcome to the enlightened side. But until I see more support, I still have you as on the fence.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:42 am
Next year’s surprise QB will be Michael Vick from FA.
AD loves great athletes and Vick, whose contract is up this year, qualifies as a great athlete with very fast feet. Believe it or not, this will be an excellent acquisition. Vick is no longer a RB who throws the ball. He’s now a pass first QB who only runs as a last resort. He has finally matured. I guess prison may have had something to do with that.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:42 am
Im sure you have heard of moral victories well this is a moral loss. The lambs gave that game to us.
J.C led the team into the redZone several times in the first half. He had one interception, and one pass that could have been picked. The other drives failed due to poor execution by the O-LINE!!!! Including the first drive that we should have scored a touchdown on. The play calling was fine, the o-line sucked!!! CAMPBELL WAS NOT STELLAR BUT HE WAS NOT AS BAD AS WHAT FOLLOWED.
Second half bruce HAD THREE BALLS BOUNCE OFF DEFENDERS!!! ONLY COMPLETED AROUND 50% OF HIS PASSES!THE INTERCEPTION THAT THE HAPLESS LAMBS MANAGED TO HOLD ON TO LET THE TEAM RIGHT BACK INTO THE GAME!!!!!
LETS BE FAIR AN HONEST, BRUCE DIDNT DO WELL, HE DID NOT OUT PLAY CAMPBELL.
HUE JACKSON SHORTENED THE PASS ROUTES, DHB WAS A BEAST, AND MACFADDEN POUNDED THE ROCK. THESE FACTORS ALONG WITH OUR DEFENSE ARE WHAT RESCUED THE GAME OF US.
BRUCE WAS LUCKY THE RAMS ARE SO BAD OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT HIS 3 OR 4 TURNOVERS COSTING US THE GAME!!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:45 am
Anyone keeping a Condo list?
September 21st, 2010 at 10:45 am
Got to say, I got a little beef with SnB, Raider75 and Jhill on the “Soon to be vindicated list”.
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LOL!
Yeah, I probably don’t belong on that list.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:45 am
@ The Big Banana
The list is hilarious!!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:47 am
Anyone on the side of the list that has me on it can rest assured that they are 100% correct.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:48 am
J Hill – you have been removed. I guess you were pretty hard on him to start. “Gotta love the Gradkowski guys” lol..
September 21st, 2010 at 10:50 am
Dakota Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:47 am
Anyone on the side of the list that has me on it can rest assured that they are 100% correct.
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Including this one? https://sor.sd.gov/
September 21st, 2010 at 10:51 am
Dakota.
I stand corrected on my position for DMAC. I WAS WRONG about him. He is now #2 in total run yards for the league this year. Let’s all hope he continues this performance and is successfully joined by Michael Bush to create the best tandem RB group in the league, even with the crappy O-line.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:51 am
mistic1
While the rest of us were watching the game through unbiased Raider Fan eyes, what were you indulging in. The players played harder for Grads. Just a fact. Made his reads, Campbell didn’t. McFadden ran harder because the Rams respected Grads more and opened up running lanes to defend the pass. (not well,lol)Lastly, the Raider’s and Cable (whom I want fired)can not wait until midseason for Campbell to get it. WIN NOW!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:52 am
I was not a believer in Gradowski.
I was wrong about the guy, plain and simple. The most obvious things to me is he knows the plays, knows where the ball is supposed to go before he snaps it, and he can anticipate when guys are going to be open.
If Campbell showed ANY flashed of that, I’d be all for him. ANY QB that can show that for US, I’ll be all for that guy too.
Gradowski should start!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:53 am
trade Bruce Gradkowski to Buffalo.
they are missing Doug Flutie …
we’ll take Marshawn Lynch or a 3rd rounder
September 21st, 2010 at 10:53 am
Are you saying you’re on that list Dakota?
September 21st, 2010 at 10:53 am
lol, good one Bo!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:54 am
Draft McFadden-correct
Cable should be fired-correct
Kiffin is gone-correct
Satele suuux-correct
0bama isn’t qualified-correct
Garbagekowski isn’t the answer-will be proven this season
September 21st, 2010 at 10:54 am
I am definitely a keeper of the faith in regards to Condo and Lechler. As for J-Kow, egh, I could take him or leave him.
I just realized, that if Gradkowski becomes our starter, the Raiders will become the league’s preminent Polack team. The Polish Cannon and the Polish popgun, what a duo! Maybe the NFL will give us a neutral site game in Krakow next year.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:54 am
I’m comfortable with a QB carousel none of the QB’s appear to be elite level playuhs go with the hot hand if he struggles bring in JC…as long as we run the ball successfully(50-55) we dominate clock and line of scrimmage QB jus got to make simple plays…I expect a lot more rollouts and PLayaction
September 21st, 2010 at 10:55 am
Scottsdale ladies my friend, they all look like porn-stars.
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I must’ve been there on the wrong days …
September 21st, 2010 at 10:56 am
The Oakland Raider Coliseum vibrates , the Silver & Black chant is BBRRUUUCCEE! The HELL’S BELLS in the background and the introduction to Ozzy’s Crazy Train….man I miss that already!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:57 am
Jhill, try going during SPRING BREAK!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:57 am
as long as we run the ball successfully(50-55) we dominate clock and line of scrimmage QB jus got to make simple plays…I expect a lot more rollouts and PLayaction
This makes too much sense. With a healthy Bush and McFadden and a diminutive QB, you’d figure we would be moving the pocket and have Bruce (assuminge he’s starting) be some sort of game manager.
You’ll hear it here first: Fugheddaboutit!
Not gonna happen. And I don’t know that it should, honestly. This is a passing team, or the ownership/coaches want it to be and Bruce has proven that he can get the ball downfield better than any QB here since Collins.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:00 am
Dakota, Ima have to steal your thunder.
Rue the Day List – Gradkowski Edition.
1. LA to TheBay
2.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:00 am
r8eray Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:27 am
Campbell was rather boring to watch! I don’t know about you guys, but when Bruce gets in there, I’m on the edge of my seat! He gives us the best chance, and puts up numbers, moves the chains!!
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Best post of the day. Agreed 100%.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:00 am
I just realized, that if Gradkowski becomes our starter, the Raiders will become the league’s preminent Polack team.
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Dubious honor at best…
September 21st, 2010 at 11:07 am
55 minutes until the live chat
where is Male Cheerleader after his 49ers got beat?
whup whup
September 21st, 2010 at 11:07 am
I went during Spring Training.
Even dorky college kids with no money can pull some serious wool.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:07 am
Dakota,
How come drafting Andre Smith didn’t make the list?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:09 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:07 am
Dakota,
How come drafting Andre Smith didn’t make the list?
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Who?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:09 am
ROTFLMFAO …
The hangover was HILARIOUS !!!!
The pictures at the end ????
The old bz givin the fat kidd brain ????
Too funny!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:09 am
RR, whup whup! lmfao!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:11 am
Lawton is gone do they elevate Tonga to da active roster and sit a WR?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:11 am
The 9ers played the Saints real hard. That’ll be a tough game. Their defense really showed up for that game.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:12 am
Run the ball.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:12 am
Amazing some still singing JC’s praises.
Asking the same question I asked about JR…what does JC do right?
Pretty short list.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:12 am
Ray,
Are you heading to AZ??
September 21st, 2010 at 11:14 am
The 9rs were at home, desperate, and had the Rice hype.
They still lost!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:15 am
Gradkowski, Campbell conundrum could spark a locker-room rift
Posted by Mike Florio on September 21, 2010 12:05 PM ET
With the Raiders unexpectedly yanking quarterback Jason Campbell for Bruce Gradkowski and then apparently doctoring the post-game quotes from coach Tom Cable to suggest . . . well, something, we’re picking up strong indications of a potential locker-room problem between Campbell and Gradkowski.
Campbell perceives, we’re told, that Gradkowski actively has lobbied quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett, who worked with Gradkowski in Tampa, to give Gradlowski a chance to play.
Gradkowski got that chance on Sunday, and he made the most of it in a come-from-behind win over the Rams.
Whether Campbell’s perception is accurate doesn’t matter. It’s the kind of thing that could create trouble between the two quarterbacks, sparking an atmosphere much different than the whole Warner Brothers polite gophers vibe in Philly. It also could, as other situations like this have done, spread to the locker room.
In Oakland, the potential dysfunction arguably wouldn’t even qualify as typical dysfunction. But dysfunction it still is, and it comes at a time when the Raiders supposedly had found an answer at the quarterback position.
The challenge for Cable will be to come up with a way to contain the situation before it becomes a problem. And it likely will require an approach far more subtle than accidentally breaking someone’s jaw.
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QB Platoon. 8 O lineman and two receivers (running 9s) when Campbell is in, and um, a regular offense when Grads is in?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:16 am
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:51 am
mistic1
While the rest of us were watching the game through unbiased Raider Fan eyes, what were you indulging in. The players played harder for Grads. Just a fact. Made his reads, Campbell didn’t. McFadden ran harder because the Rams respected Grads more and opened up running lanes to defend the pass. (not well,lol)Lastly, the Raider’s and Cable (whom I want fired)can not wait until midseason for Campbell to get it. WIN NOW!
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This is exactly what i am talking about.
Players didnt play harder. The defense gave up one td in the first half and one in the second (after grads interception). The execution was alittle better on offense, because the play calling was adjusted!!! Shorter throws equal quicker reads!!! Bruce benefited from the playcalling change, one becuase the o-line couldnt hold the blocks, two bruce doesnt have the arm to throw it deeper!!!!
Dmac didnt run harder for grads!!! He only got 10 carries in the first half. DMAC will always do his most damage in the second half, becuase he has pounded them in the first, and they have been chasing our wideouts all over the feild!! This is why they say great backs get better as the game goes on. That has nothing to do with grads.
Campbell was around 50% just like grads. 8-15 1td 1 pick, 11-22 1 td 1 pick, whats the difference?
Yes we can wait until mid season for campbell to find a the timing. THIS TEAM IS NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM, WE ARE CLOSER TO THE BOTTOM THAN WE ARE TO THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK. IN THIS SITUATION YOU PLAY THE GUYS WITH THE MOST UPSIDE, GIVING GAME REPS AND BUILDING CHEMISTRY!! SO NEXT YEAR WHEN YOU ADD MORE PEICES YOU ALREADY HAVE A NUCLEUS OF LEADERS IN A DEFINED ROLL. WE AND CAMPBELL CAN WAIT UNTIL MID SEASON… CABLE CAN NOT!! PULLING CAMPBELL PUT CABLES JOB SECURITY AHEAD OF WHATS BEST FOR THE TEAM!!! fIRE HIM NOW!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:16 am
To SnB’s credit,
He did man up and apologized. He didnt have to apologize. All I wanted him to do was admit that BG as better than JC and he did.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:17 am
Michael Crabtree (49ers) 32 yards
Steve Breaston (Cardinals) 10 yards
Mohamed Massaquoi (Browns) 9 yards
Santonio Holmes (Jets) zilch
Kenny Britt (Titans) 41 yards
Jeremy Shockey (Saints) 37 yards
Dan Carpenter (Dolphins) 2 XP
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my fantasy football team rocked it this week !!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:17 am
I’m contemplating…50% chance! I would love to be there with you guys. I’m in love with my Raiders and Raider Nation.
JUST WIN BABY!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:19 am
Campbell was around 50% just like grads. 8-15 1td 1 pick, 11-22 1 td 1 pick, whats the difference?
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He got people involved, mainly WRs. All the evidence is there.
I challenge anyone to dig up a better performance from Campbell than the one we saw from Bruce in Pittsburgh.
Whatever it was they adjusted, it worked. It’s pretty evident that Bruce inspires the team. He just does. Overanalyze it if you want, he’s got the leadership qualities Campbell just doesn’t have.
Go talk to any Redskins fan.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:19 am
Campbell was around 50% just like grads. 8-15 1td 1 pick, 11-22 1 td 1 pick, whats the difference?
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Ease up there sparky, no TD’s from Campbell.
The difference was that when Campbell left we were losing 7-3 and the crowd was booing him.
When Bruce left, we won 16-14, and the crowd was “Bruuuuuucce” -ing him.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:22 am
Grads had twice as many yards. Got 5 balls each in the hands of our WRs. Put up points. Ignited the crowd. Ignited the team.
What else does he have to do?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:22 am
I feel violated. Do, I need to change my moniker?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:22 am
6 sacks, 4 fumbles and 2 int’s , and 16 points from Campbell in six f’n quarters, but people want us to be patient.
0 sacks, zero fumbles, 1 int, 13 points in 2 quarters from Bruce.
Why are we even discussing this?
Next topic please!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:22 am
The Niners lost by 3 points despite giving up 4 turnovers… They are a mentally tough team and will win this year. They will be in the playoffs for certain.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:24 am
Im with you JFB. Rock is out there lobbying like crazy for Campbell because he hasnt had enough time and blah blah blah yet RoMac is a bust? Figure that shizz out.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:24 am
Anyone can tell how bad Bruce wants it.
Haven’t we had enough ‘potentially’ good QBs around here?
Al admitted his mistake and made another one by cutting Russell and trading for Jason.
Jason’s a nice guy who gives a good interview and has a big arm.
Unfortunately, he is not a leader of men. He doesn’t read the field and can’t get the ball out of his hands. When he does, it’s typically a checkdown.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:26 am
Vegas, I was Oaktown last week so the wifee will be like ” You just went to a game, why do you need to go again!”
All who are married, know exactly what I’m talking about!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:27 am
What else does he have to do?
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LA, the short list
a. walk on water
b. pour Al Davis’ coffee
c. Seabass make every FG
d. Branch no more pass TD’s allowed
e. no more stupid penalties (as a team, not just false starts & holds from O-Linemen)
f. sell out home games
g. repair Chaz’s foot & knee
h. make Gallery, Miller, Heyward-Bey & McFadden Pro Bowlers
September 21st, 2010 at 11:27 am
@ LA to TheBay
FLORIO HAS NAILED IT!!!! Cable’s selfish act has caused several problems.
1.) Campbell needs game reps to build timing and rythym with the offense. He has a much higher ceiling than grads, therefore you need to play him so he may reach it. Bruce is a known commodity he is not good enough to take you anywhere in the long run.
2.) you have undermined any trust that you have built with your team leadres. All of the talk about riding it out, fighting through it together, and being pesrstint went out the window. As soon as cable thought the team might lose because his o-line wasnt getting the job done he attempted to shift blame to the qb. Class act cable.
3.) you are forcing the players to choose sides, or at the very least youve caused a distraction that players now must deal with as they will be constantly badgered about for the near future, its only week 3!!!!
4.) You have now placed yourself before the organiztion. Davis likes coaches to stay down and coach the team, not be lightning rods for controversy. Once again cable the headlines are about you, and not for possitive reasons. Lets just can this dude already
September 21st, 2010 at 11:28 am
Ray,
I’m bringing my ball an…er wife along.
There is tons of shopping in Westgate!!
She even scorned me and got a McFadden #20 jersey for the event (a pink one; clearly she did not consult with me on this one)
September 21st, 2010 at 11:29 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:22 am
6 sacks, 4 fumbles and 2 int’s , and 16 points from Campbell in six f’n quarters, but people want us to be patient.
0 sacks, zero fumbles, 1 int, 13 points in 2 quarters from Bruce.
Why are we even discussing this?
Next topic please!!!
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For real.
It’s not as if Campbell is some rookie that we want to wait on to develop. He’s been around for years. Redskins fans were jumping for joy when they got rid of the guy.
OK, he’s been in 8 different systems. OK, lots of different OCs. Bad O Line? Fine. Just the wrong fit in DC? Sure. Maybe once he builds a chemistry with this team and is more comfortable with the system….
Really?? We can make all kinds of excuses for the guy but he just had his job took.
Forget what he’s done in someone else’s uniform, when Bruce is in Silver and Black, he makes plays.
Campbell hasn’t made plays since Auburn.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:27 am
What else does he have to do?
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LA, the short list
a. walk on water
b. pour Al Davis’ coffee
c. Seabass make every FG
d. Branch no more pass TD’s allowed
e. no more stupid penalties (as a team, not just false starts & holds from O-Linemen)
f. sell out home games
g. repair Chaz’s foot & knee
h. make Gallery, Miller, Heyward-Bey & McFadden Pro Bowlers
LMAO at g!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:31 am
Bruce is a known commodity
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How is a guy with only 20 career starts a known commodity, while the guy with over 50 career starts needs time due to his “higher ceiling”.
They are both known commodities!!!
Bruce is a great backup looking for another chance, Campbell is a crappy starter running out of chances.
Enough already.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:33 am
How ’bout DHB making a case to be an actual NFL receiver… he nearly doubled his career in one half!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:34 am
I was Oaktown last week so the wifee will be like ” You just went to a game, why do you need to go again!”
All who are married, know exactly what I’m talking about!
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LOL @ ray
yup – been there quite often!
my wife got mad at me on Saturday because we had rented a movie and got a Degiorno pizza for lunch, but HER brother called and asked if I could go down to the river and help him put his cabin on blocks. I skipped lunch and spent ALL friggin day helping him dig gravel, dirt and move cement blocks. we got finished just before dark and when I got home she was p1ssed because she had to be bored at home while I was away.
I said “YOUR brother needed MY help”. haha. oh well, chalk it up to pregnant hormones I guess
September 21st, 2010 at 11:34 am
Mistic, Cable’s best moves BY FAR as head coach have been to bench the owner’s lost cause tall, big-armed quarterback.
Campbell just happens to be a nicer guy and can put sentences together.
I’m sure the team is behind Grad. The only reason Campbell got the job anyway was because 1. Bruce was injured and 2. he’s a pet project.
Why are we waiting for this guy to develop and reach his ceiling when we have a developed guy on the roster who ALREADY HAS a chemistry with the team?
In other words, you’re saying:
Well Jason has a higher ceiling because, um… he’s taller with a bigger arm. So let’s start him despite the ineffectiveness over the guy who is already playing well.
Again, Nation, Campbell is not a rookie.
He doesn’t have the vision by now, doubt he ever will.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:34 am
Gradkowski 11-22-1-162 = 7.36 ypa
J.Campbell 8-15-1-87 = 5.8 ypa
that’s the difference, Grads moved the chains. They shortened up the routes for him, but he still managed a much higher yards per attempt. (Bradford was throwing 6.68 yards per attempt as a reference point).
September 21st, 2010 at 11:35 am
new post
September 21st, 2010 at 11:36 am
new post!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:39 am
You guys are goofy. BOTH quarterbacks are pretty servicable, and by playing each we are just improving our odds that one of them will take the reins and become great.
Like I ytped earlier, Campbell must react well to this lesson and play better because Gradkowski is likely to continue getting it done.
In no way is this going to divide the locker room. Cable handled the JRuss situation and kept the team unified. He will make sure the players know that QB is open for competition just like every other non-kicking spot.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:42 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:22 am
6 sacks, 4 fumbles and 2 int’s , and 16 points from Campbell in six f’n quarters, but people want us to be patient.
0 sacks, zero fumbles, 1 int, 13 points in 2 quarters from Bruce.
Why are we even discussing this?
Next topic please!!!
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1 bad snap 2 strip sacks from the blind side.
6 sacks due to terrible o-line play.
Interceptions are likley as a new qb is learning the system and and timing with his team.
Bruce HAD THREE MORE PASSES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PICKED. 1 WAS IN THE ENDZONE RIGHT BEFORE HIS TOUCHDOWN PASS!!!!! HIS INTERCEPTION LET THE LAMBS BACK INTO THE GAME IN THE FOURTH QUARTER!!!!
i know people dont like campbell ( eventhough most people are basing it on news clippings from a different state, and 6 quarters of football) but if anyone thinks bruce is the answer, you just dont know football.
Bruce isnt even a poor mans flutie, or jeff garcia. he surprised a couple fo teams last year. Beleive me when teams get in the film room this year and gameplan against him he will be a disaster. Gruden kept tui around for years, we all know tui was terrible. gruden felt he could develop him. Grads was drafted by gruden and washed out!!!! What does that tell you.
Bottom line is grads is as good as he is going to be in this offense, he is maxed out already, and it is not good enough!!!
campbell on the other hand has room to grow here, he needs more time.
Yes you should be patient, if anyone here is expecting more than 6-8 wins this year your fooling yourself. 6-8 win teams should focus on playing the talent with upside and building for next year!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:44 am
Ha. Locker room rifts. Quarterback controversy. Blah blah blah. How many times does Jerry need to tell you fools that it all comes down to winning. It makes no difference NOW what decision Cable makes because the correct decision will only be perceived as such after Oakland wins or loses their next few games.
You cannot deny that Campbell looks flat and that the team has no rhythm whatsoever when he’s in the game. He is missing throws and checking down almost constantly. To best put it…he looks very UNCOMFORTABLE. Considering the O line I don’t blame him. Critics have said that Campbell is not suited for quick throws and reads. They have said that repeatedly since his tenure in Washington. That would be an offensive style more suited for Bruce.
I hate to tell you nation but that O Line cannot protect five and seven step drops. They are bad. Maybe the worst I’ve seen in pass protecting ever. If this team wants to avoid drive and momentum killing sacks, three and outs, and penalties then whoever’s under center better be able to throw to a receiver before he breaks on his pattern. Until Campbell can prove he can do that and build that trust with these younger WR’s I say give Bruce the keys.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:53 am
Florio and Mystic,
Don’t be idiots. Selfish act. Wake up. There is no long term in the NFL. This fan base has been enduring garbage football for a long, long time and this team needs to learn how to win. PERIOD. Campbell wants his job he needs to get off his ass and start producing period.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:57 am
and if you’re comparing dropped interceptions. add in the three huge drops by Miller, Myers, and, DHB. All that killed drives in St. Louis territory.
September 21st, 2010 at 2:23 pm
I was watching the interview clip of DHB on Raiders.com and it looks like he has a slightly lazy eye. Now, I’m not talking down on this congenital condition, but I wonder if this has given him problems with locking in on the ball at the ‘NFL speed.’
If so, it looks like he’s learning how to deal with it, and we should have been initially more understanding-a rookie with a correctable visual disturbance.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pm
“and it is not good enough!!!”
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It WAS good enough to win on Sunday and that’s more than Jason Campbell’s been able to do; in Washington OR Oakland.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm
The Big Banana Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:38 am
Updated list – priesttj has been elevated as well as I remember him being pretty hard on Grads when JaMeatLoaf was around. RR – you’re moving down the list buddy. Step up your game. lol
THE RUE THE DAY THEY HATED ON OR WERE WISHY-WASHY ON GRADKOWSKI LIST:
Mistic1
Priesttj
Dakota
RaiderRockstar
Severeraiderz
Fat Kidd
KoolKell
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
Raider75
THE SOON TO BE VINDICATED LIST:
Just Fire Baby
LA to TheBay
The Big Banana
J Hill
Aig-Raiders
ArmChair GM
Kirk
TerrapinRaider
Try Some Reality
Beach
JB
Raider-DEE
Lefty12
IslandRaider
Armond
Braveheartraider
Raiderzmaverick
Bcz24
Weaselbit
Exlaraidersseasonticketholder
R8eray
Plunketthead
4eva
Chris in NY
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Please put me on the Bruce love list.
September 21st, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Get Micheal Vick. We need a fjrst rate quarterback instead of these posers. Vick has everthing this Raider team needs to be a first rate team instead of maybe next year or we are missing one or two key players. Offense sucks because QB sucks. Now we are baving a QB contravercy over these second rate QB. give me a break. When Vick came out of prison, this was the guy I wish tbe Raider would have picked up. Be will make things happen. Al if you want to right this ship, Micbeal Vick is the one piece you need. Vick can stretch the field. GET VICK – DO THE RIGHT THING