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Poole: Why Campbell should start

In a Bay Area News Group column to run in Wednesday’s papers, Monte Poole cast his vote for Jason Campbell.

Click on the above link for his reasoning, but the short version is that going to Campbell would be a sign of panic, and that six quarters is too small of a sample size to make a switch of this magnitude.

Not when Campbell was brought in to be the starter in what seemed at the time to be a logical and intelligent decision.

Besides, Monte reasons, Gradkowski is perfectly cast as the energetic backup, a player with the perfect skill set to provide a spark off the bench.

All points worth arguing, but there are other factors to consider.

Namely, that the Raiders already did panic.

They named Campbell the starter, talked up his professionalism, and weren’t confident enough in his ability to recover from a four-point deficit at home against a team which had lost 27 of 28 games coming in.

The Raiders action of putting him the bench spoke much louder than their words through training camp. Cable wasn’t worrying about how it looked _ he made an impulsive switch to win a game.

Speaking of words, what about all the talk about how winning the next game being the most important thing? In fact, the only thing? Cable had the whole “1-0” philosophy put on T-shirts.

It’s understandable that Cable would be beholden to Gradkowski. The guy saved his job last year after Cable convinced Al Davis that it was time to bench JaMarcus Russell with wins over Cincinnati and Pittsburgh (as a starter, by the way).

All of which makes Wednesday’s decision, assuming they don’t put it off another day or two, all the more intriguing.

If Cable decides or is told to put the Gradkowski genie back in the bottle, it’s a good thing the Raiders are on the road this week. Campbell will probably have a more supportive crowd in Arizona than he would in Oakland.

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  • The Big Banana

    Tried to find Campbell’s number but can’t but did find this gem from espn. Look at the negatives, and well nothing has really changed.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8754&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfldraft%2fdraft05%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d8754

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    Exactly the kind of things some of us have been talking about. He is what he is at this point. Why should he start? Has anybody answered that? And don’t give me this future BS. He is NOT a long term answer. Let him prove himself first. For now, go with Production. Hello?

  • Just Fire Baby

    Bruce = 380 yards passing this weekend.

    You don’t dare Bruce.

    (RRS, I’ll be happy to report that I just claimed Bruce on FFL and will be starting him pending the presser today)

  • severeraiderz

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am
    Severe,

    Fair enough, if it is an opinion it is an opinion.

    IMO, it is about a wash. Bruce probably is quicker, maybe Campbell faster with the long stride, Bruce is probably the strongest, Boller the strongest arm…..and around and around we can go.

    “Superior athlete” is an awfully strong word to throw around.
    //////////////////////////////////////////////

    By superior i just meant better, i didnt mean for it to imply that it was by a huge margin. I give u grads on quickness, but strength i would give Jason straight up with Boller a close second. Pound for pound Grads would take it. Lol i have to make an argument out of everything my man

  • Bauce 4 Real

    Severz of course! r8eray is an LA cat and came thru…..lol he had on his Los Angeles Raider hat but oh well. Still a cool guy and loves this team. Yeah jlh needs to be used he is reaady

  • LA to TheBay

    But know this, I will be able to recognize a game or a stretch of games that really shows that this team has turned, and neither the Pitt or the Bungholes games last year, not this weak azz win against the Rams are those games. A win is a win BS from a lot of guys here is fine if that somehow makes them feel better about the other 11 losses for the season, I just don’t work that way.
    ————————————–

    Fair.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Dell: Derek Anderson is an inaccurate statue, but he’s still a veteran and the Cards still have Fitz & Breaston at WR

  • J Hill

    Severe,

    If you want to be technical, there were only 2 red zone possesions in the first half

    1st was the failed 4th and 1

    2nd was the Jano made FG.

    On the 2nd one, Campbell overthrows Murphy badly, gets bailed on on a personal foul call for a hit on Murphy that put the ball at the 12. 1st dn run for no gain, 2nd dn Campbell throws it OOB out of the shotgun in the face of heavy blitz, 3rd dn sack and fumble recovered by Veldheer.

  • The Big Banana

    Does Cable announce the starter today? I heard from someone that he doesn’t plan on revealing it until Sunday.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Hmmmm.

    Pity partier or azz smoke blower…hmmm

  • Bauce 4 Real

    Dell i agree but derek is type of qb that can kill u if there is no pressure. Earlier blitzing will rattle the guy just like we did Damon Huard 2 years ago. Get him off balance and have him in fear from the gate

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    The only time in my life where I switched allegiances to a team was in the mid 1980s when I was like 9 or 10 years old, when I stopped being a Dodgers fan and became a Cubs fan, thanks to my great step-dad and WGN!…call me bandwagon! lmao

  • RaiderRockstar

    Bruce = 380 yards passing this weekend.

    ***

    JFB: assuming Bruce starts, what do I get from you if/when he throws for less than 350 yards this Sunday?

    I’m offering QB Rodgers & RB Mendenhall (unless I got something better you’d like)

    your turn

  • http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=eb53t3&s=5&hid=3&tag=my+pool Lynn from Snot

    The full Monte Pool is not in a position to make the call on the QB, he’s as qualified as anyone on this blog so enough said.

  • guest123

    The Big Banana Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am
    Does Cable announce the starter today? I heard from someone that he doesn’t plan on revealing it until Sunday.

    *********************
    I’d think that Jerry would at least report who was running the first team, and that would let the cat of the bag before Sunday, no?

  • The Big Banana

    lol. Cable says no controversy. I’d say that judging by the comments in this blog since Sunday, there’s a controversy alright.

  • Bauce 4 Real

    Banana….that may be right knowing the raiders lol

  • raiderzmaverick

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am

    I can’t believe I am doing this but here are the stats of Bruce’

    4.50 in the 40-yard dash…350-pound bench press…Bench presses 225 pounds 17 times… Leg presses 600
    pounds 20 times…33 ¾-inch vertical jump…3.97 20-yard shuttle…6.76 three-cone drill…31 ½-inch arm length…8
    7/8-inch hands…Right-handed… 26 Wonderlic score.
    ———————————————–
    ANALYSIS: A prospect with the physical tools to work with, Campbell improved his overall game and made a big jump up draft boards the past six months. Most effective in a short passing offense that does not rely on the vertical game. s pro-day

    40 Time: 4.69
    Other than that, Jason skipped the combine…
    “As for Campbell, he finally went through much-anticipated workouts after skipping all of the drills at the combine.” (this was for his proday)

  • 8RaiderReign8

    Raider Dell Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:03 am
    The Raiders in the last few weeks faced probably, the best RB, and a top 5 RB, in Jackson.

    I’m don’t see the explosion with Beenie Wells or Tim Hightower. Play hard nosed defense, keep them from a big gain, and swarm to the ball. The best scenario is make the cardinals on e dimensional, and force them to throw.

    Their QB , will not run out of the pocket, slow footed. Raiders D-line need pressure and most of all eliminate the big play, don’t give the QB, Anderson thoughts of confidence, it goes down hill after that.
    —————

    Hightower definitely isn’t explosive, but comes out of the backfield a lot. Just like any scat back they can cause problems with those five yard passes.

  • RaiderRockstar

    I’m done debating Campbell/Gradkowski and McClain/Morrison for the day …

    time to talk about the gameplan against the AZ Cards!

  • Raider Dell

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:07 am
    Dell: Derek Anderson is an inaccurate statue, but he’s still a veteran and the Cards still have Fitz & Breaston at WR

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    RRS

    As you said earlier in your comment. Fitz has some physical issues and his timing with Anderson, is real bad right now.

    Breaston on the other hand, excels between the linebackers and DB’s when teams play zone. We are cover one team. Breaston will have to run precise routes to get open, I just don’t see him doing that.

    Fitz will be, asked to, shorten his patterns, and play small bal to open up his window later in the game.

  • Bauce 4 Real

    No controversy means AL makes the call lol……get over it JC is your starter

  • HairyBush

    mistic1 Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am
    This is still going on? Monte Poole nailed it, you just cant make that switch now, your team will be a joke!

    The staff will instantly lose credibility ( cable probably already has). How can anyone believe what you say when you are so wishy washy?

    What happens when bruce fails as the starter? How much rope do you give him, before you pull the plug on him. Do you then go back to campbell?

    How does it look to other potential players for our team? Will anybody want to come to Oakland if they may not even get a fair shot to prove their worth?
    ——————————
    I hear what your saying, I really do. At the same time I say when is enough enough? It is sad and unfortunate but at this point I say do whatever it takes to win. Let’s face it with the way the Raiders are currently set up, worrying about what is going to happen down the road is the least of our concerns. Plain and simple take care of buissness right now and get some wins. When that happens free agents will want to come here, like back in the day. Winning cures all, it makes guys step up there game and just overall care more, things will fall into place if we get some momentum by getting victories. let’s start with winning 2 games in a row by whatever means neccasary-Just sayin

    p.s. Monte Poole is a Raider hater who really could care less what happens with the Raiders. He won’t have anything to write about or a job for that matter when the Raiders return to glory

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    A Garbagekowski win over Arizona will mean nothing. We should be able to start Michael Bush at QB and win that game.

    If Garbagekowski plays well and we beat Houston, I will stop calling him Garbagekowski out of respect. I might still call him Scrubkowski or something else, but no more Garbagekowski lol.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Hightower isn’t a Top 10 RB, but he’s still a mismatch when facing a safety or corner in the open field 1-on-1

  • Bauce 4 Real

    RRS thank you! Damn that debate. We got a game sunday and need to talk matchups and such

  • severeraiderz

    J Hill Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:08 am
    Severe,

    If you want to be technical, there were only 2 red zone possesions in the first half

    1st was the failed 4th and 1

    2nd was the Jano made FG.

    On the 2nd one, Campbell overthrows Murphy badly, gets bailed on on a personal foul call for a hit on Murphy that put the ball at the 12. 1st dn run for no gain, 2nd dn Campbell throws it OOB out of the shotgun in the face of heavy blitz, 3rd dn sack and fumble recovered by Veldheer.
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Thanks that means Campbell cost us at least 3 points there and Jano another 3. Bad play by Campbell, he should have audibled to a sneak or called the T.O.

  • Bauce 4 Real

    Anyways…..ill be back later…….JUST WIN

  • guest123

    Dakota Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am
    A Garbagekowski win over Arizona will mean nothing. We should be able to start Michael Bush at QB and win that game.

    If Garbagekowski plays well and we beat Houston, I will stop calling him Garbagekowski out of respect. I might still call him Scrubkowski or something else, but no more Garbagekowski lol.

    ***********************

    last time I am commenting on you…

    STFU

    let Bauce and RRS talk strategy

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Just Fire Baby,
    That article is on spot. 7 yrs later, he has not changed

    Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career. Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs

  • Raider Dell

    Bauce 4 Real Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am
    Dell i agree but derek is type of qb that can kill u if there is no pressure. Earlier blitzing will rattle the guy just like we did Damon Huard 2 years ago. Get him off balance and have him in fear from the gate

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Bauce

    I agree, pressure is the key, we must blitz and create turnovers. Most road teams win, due to turnovers.

    On offense balance is the key. Run DMAC, and stay with our power sets, and pound the ball.

  • RaiderRockstar

    hate to be the sour grapes guy on this blog, but how many times have the Raiders won back-to-back games in the last 8 years ???

    seriously. anybody know?

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    guest123 Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:17 am
    last time I am commenting on you…

    STFU

    let Bauce and RRS talk strategy
    _____________________

    Eat schyt doormat fan. You stfu.

  • The Big Banana

    # RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am

    I’m done debating Campbell/Gradkowski and McClain/Morrison for the day …

    time to talk about the gameplan against the AZ Cards!

    ===================================================

    If JC starts, run early and often. Hope that the run game is effective, then do some play action.

    If Grads starts, open it up right away with the pass, and let that open it up for DMAC to run roughshod on them!

  • severeraiderz

    raiderzmaverick Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am

    I can’t believe I am doing this but here are the stats of Bruce’

    4.50 in the 40-yard dash…350-pound bench press…Bench presses 225 pounds 17 times… Leg presses 600
    pounds 20 times…33 ¾-inch vertical jump…3.97 20-yard shuttle…6.76 three-cone drill…31 ½-inch arm length…8
    7/8-inch hands…Right-handed… 26 Wonderlic score.
    ———————————————–
    ANALYSIS: A prospect with the physical tools to work with, Campbell improved his overall game and made a big jump up draft boards the past six months. Most effective in a short passing offense that does not rely on the vertical game. s pro-day

    40 Time: 4.69
    Other than that, Jason skipped the combine…
    “As for Campbell, he finally went through much-anticipated workouts after skipping all of the drills at the combine.” (this was for his proday)
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005draft/Campbell,Jason-QB-Auburn.htm

  • LondonRaider

    Monte Poole is an idiot, doesn’t even reallised Bruce was drafted in the 6th.

    Anyone can see that he tips the snap and quite often whether its run or pass with his body lean pre-snap.

    He also cant read or react to a blitz, he’d have been sacked on the Murphy TD last week.

    We play to win the games, right?

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am
    I’m done debating Campbell/Gradkowski and McClain/Morrison for the day …

    time to talk about the gameplan against the AZ Cards!
    ======================================================
    Stop Beanie Wells…..limit Hightower on the screens and short passes….put Nnamdi on Fitzgerald….put pressure on Anderson with some blitzing.

    Offensively…focus on running the ball with DMAC and Bush…get Miller involved…use short game to get DHB touches early on…

    Do that and you win. Get slick and “cut it loose” or pretend that John Henderson can’t play…and we lose

  • HairyBush

    and pound the ball.

    581.RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am
    hate to be the sour grapes guy on this blog, but how many times have the Raiders won back-to-back games in the last 8 years ???

    seriously. anybody know?
    ————————
    that is what I’m saying! let’s start with winning more than 1 game! I’m afraid to look at how few times we have won back to back post superbowl. I know in 2006 are only 2 wins were back to back.

  • severeraiderz

    LondonRaider Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 am
    Monte Poole is an idiot, doesn’t even reallised Bruce was drafted in the 6th.

    Anyone can see that he tips the snap and quite often whether its run or pass with his body lean pre-snap.

    He also cant read or react to a blitz, he’d have been sacked on the Murphy TD last week.

    We play to win the games, right?
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    If it were truly JC fault that the snap was being jumped then how come when we got a new C the problem was gone??? It was the snap count and not the body lean.

  • raiderzmaverick

    Just one question guys. I keep seeing the “give Campbell another start to give him a chance to prove himself”.

    Why should a guy be “given” a start? He gets plenty of chances to prove himself in practice each week. Obviously he hasn’t proven himself yet or he wouldn’t have been benched.

    Now, if the weeks go on and he does “prove himself” and shows himself to be the better player who gives us the better chance to come in and win, then he should be put back in the game as the starter later in the year. Back-up gets plenty of reps to get comfortable with the team. Look at Grads last year coming in off the bench and being ‘comfortable’ right away.

  • raiderzmaverick

    Gameplan against the cards is similar to what it was against the rams. Stack the box. Stop the run.

    Get offense moving pounding McFadden and quick throws.

  • raidertay

    Anybody know where we can rewatch the Raider v Rams game for free???

  • HairyBush

    BTW, those people who keep stressing give Campbell a chance, I will say to you to keep in ming how many other players we have on our team that we are giving a “chance” to. If you have to many players on your team that are guys who are growing and learning you will never win, you need a balance. How long are we going to wait for guys to come around? It has been to long, we need to win now. Grads may not be Tom Brady but if he lights a fire under people and wins games, who really cares? Sick of waiting.

  • HairyBush

    *mind

  • 8RaiderReign8

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am
    hate to be the sour grapes guy on this blog, but how many times have the Raiders won back-to-back games in the last 8 years ???

    seriously. anybody know?
    ———-

    Agreed. I remember Cable sayin a good team can win consecutive games. We’ll see if the Raiders can.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/skew-t/166654980/ BART Bridge Blues

    Dakota Says:
    September 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am
    If Garbagekowski plays well and we beat Houston, I will stop calling him Garbagekowski out of respect. I might still call him Scrubkowski or something else, but no more Garbagekowski lol.
    ***************************************

    If Grads starts these next two games and beats Arizona and Houston to make us 3-1, and basically giving him a 3-0 record as a “starter” this year I would start calling him Godkowski. That would be un-freaking-believable. None of our QB’s have the cards to get those 2 wins.

  • bcz24

    Houston might hang 60 on us…

  • The Judge

    Bummer, forgot about not having a 1st round pick next year.

    Ok, Start Bruce the rest of the year and then sign VICK in the offseason.

    I agree with Dakota, we need a new QB. I like Bruce but don’t believe he is a long term solution. I think Vick would give us a good 5 years. JMHO

  • r8rwill

    doesn’t matter who starts, if the line doesn’t block and protect we won’t win, this game or many others..the gme of football is won/lost in the trenches…

  • r8rwill

    i think our d is stout enough to hold other teams as long as the O gives them a breather and doesn’t go three and out everytime we have the ball