Poole: Why Campbell should start
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010 at 10:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.
In a Bay Area News Group column to run in Wednesday’s papers, Monte Poole cast his vote for Jason Campbell.
Click on the above link for his reasoning, but the short version is that going to Campbell would be a sign of panic, and that six quarters is too small of a sample size to make a switch of this magnitude.
Not when Campbell was brought in to be the starter in what seemed at the time to be a logical and intelligent decision.
Besides, Monte reasons, Gradkowski is perfectly cast as the energetic backup, a player with the perfect skill set to provide a spark off the bench.
All points worth arguing, but there are other factors to consider.
Namely, that the Raiders already did panic.
They named Campbell the starter, talked up his professionalism, and weren’t confident enough in his ability to recover from a four-point deficit at home against a team which had lost 27 of 28 games coming in.
The Raiders action of putting him the bench spoke much louder than their words through training camp. Cable wasn’t worrying about how it looked _ he made an impulsive switch to win a game.
Speaking of words, what about all the talk about how winning the next game being the most important thing? In fact, the only thing? Cable had the whole “1-0” philosophy put on T-shirts.
It’s understandable that Cable would be beholden to Gradkowski. The guy saved his job last year after Cable convinced Al Davis that it was time to bench JaMarcus Russell with wins over Cincinnati and Pittsburgh (as a starter, by the way).
All of which makes Wednesday’s decision, assuming they don’t put it off another day or two, all the more intriguing.
If Cable decides or is told to put the Gradkowski genie back in the bottle, it’s a good thing the Raiders are on the road this week. Campbell will probably have a more supportive crowd in Arizona than he would in Oakland.
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September 21st, 2010 at 10:32 pm
# EMRaiders Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Too bad Al wasn’t in that movie theater…..hahaha just kidding old man. You the $hit!
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Ha ha!!!
I was just comparing them to the Basterds based on their toughness. You took the analogy to whole nother level. Well played.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Raiders should make a play for Marcus McNeil.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Wow. That analogy is just snowballing in my head.
Herrera = Goebbels?
September 21st, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Pool is a moron. End of story.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Is there even any question as to who should start at QB? Why is this even being debated. It’s obvious that Grads should start. If anyone it still lobbying for JC, you know he is an idiot. And you can’t reason with idiots so just let it go. Let them think what they want. 90% of the fan base wants Grads out there. You saw it with the chants this past Sunday.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:39 pm
If Cable decides or is told to put the Gradkowski genie back in the bottle, it’s a good thing the Raiders are on the road this week. Campbell will probably have a more supportive crowd in Arizona than he would in Oakland.
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You bet your azz they’ll be more supportive in AZ.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:40 pm
If Gradkowski doesn’t start on Sunday, then our team is a joke. Campbell is a good guy, I don’t dislike him. I’m sorry its happening to him this way. I didn’t like the way he looked in pre-season and he is playing like a rookie or poorly prepared 2nd year guy right now. He’s been in the league too long to play the way he has been playing.
Gradkowski is always prepared and, while he isn’t the new Gannon at this point, he very well could be our best QB in years if he gets the chance to start every week and take control of the position. Gradkowski is the best chance the Raiders have to start winning games. Period.
And like I said, if he doesn’t start on Sunday then the Raiders are an absolute joke.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Seriously – Brown was told he made the roster, only to be cut, only to be activated for the second game, then cut again. WTF is going on?!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:42 pm
I say give Campbell one more chance in ARIZ….. Cable can always make the switch again!!
If Grads does what he did last week…… then that will be the end of that and Grads will be our starter at qb from here on out!!
If Campbell does a good job and we win than Campbell keeps the QB job!!
Wow…… Does anyone have Al cell no#???
September 21st, 2010 at 10:44 pm
And like I said, if he doesn’t start on Sunday then the Raiders are an absolute joke.
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Absolutely! The fans aren’t stupid. If Grads doesn’t start, we know it was because of Davis, plain and simple. Cable is a known Grads fan and he benched JC on his own. Davis, meanwhile, has said JC reminds him of Plunkett.
So if Davis forces JC on us, it will be extremely defeating and you’ll see a smaller crowd at the next home game.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:45 pm
If Campbell is the hard-working guy that he’s billed to be, he should respond to the benching by going back to the drawing board and working on his grasp of Jackson’s offense. And when he’s ready to step up the job will be there for him. But as long as Bruce is playing the way he is, he deserves a shot.
Campbell came into the Rams game looking just as lost as he did against the Titans. The coaching staff thought that Bruce gave them the best chance to win, and they were right. No reason for that to change. The Raiders need to send the message to the rest of the team that on-field performance is what matters.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Gradkowski earned the start, no question about it.
The Raiders need to be careful about this, everyone can see Bruce gives this team a better shot to win, going back to Campbell would be an insult to the fans.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Wow…… Does anyone have Al cell no#???
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Cell? Al probably still has a rotary phone.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:47 pm
OK… So What if Grads starts and lays a fat ASS EGG???? Then What???
Musical chairs at QB again??
F’ This!!! Let the best QB take over……But JC has not been given that chance yet……Just give him the first half in ARIz…..Cable can always make the change….The Right Change!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:48 pm
If Campbell is the hard-working guy that he’s billed to be, he should respond to the benching by going back to the drawing board and working on his grasp of Jackson’s offense.
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That’s what he should do. Instead he b*tched about Grads being in the coaches ear.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:50 pm
I definitely agree with Poole. I think 6 quarters is way to quick to pull the plug on someone you traded for believing to be able to carry the load. I also think its possible we would’ve played better the second half under Campbell as well. I don’t think that Bruce’s game was anything to write home about and Campbell’s stats to date are not that different from Carson Palmers! His rating is just a point or two below and they are benching him!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:51 pm
I like Grads as our starting QB…. but I dont want to see that guy Campbell with that long dopey face on the sideline thinking he got dissed….No QB controversy…….Play the BEST qb……
September 21st, 2010 at 10:52 pm
What I do not get is why our WRs look so terrible with JC and JR in there but when Grad plays all of the sudden completions are happening and WRs are making plays
That makes no sense that because grads is in the WRs just magically get open so therefor JR and JC so far have been unable to find the open man or make and accurate enough throw
Grads = wins so he should start because he will prob get hurt anyway and JC will then be back in
September 21st, 2010 at 10:52 pm
OK… So What if Grads starts and lays a fat ASS EGG???? Then What???
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Let the chips fall where they may. Grads deserves the chance to start. Are we not going to start him because of this fear? So your starting QB spreads the stink…you’re not going to insert your backup for fear that he’ll fail too? So what now, you just let your starting QB continue to play like sh1t? lol…
September 21st, 2010 at 10:54 pm
# Try Some Reality Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Seriously – Brown was told he made the roster, only to be cut, only to be activated for the second game, then cut again. WTF is going on?!!!
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Probably a smaller version of what’s going on with the QB situation. There’s some friction between HC and the front office, imo.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Nah man…
This is stupid…… If Grads lays a Fatt ass egg….let meguess, stupid drunk guys in the stands will start clamouring for Boller!! Whata JOKE that would be!!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Monte doesn’t even watch the Raiders. If he did, he would see why Bruce is the best option for the Raiders right now. Campbell does not have faith in the offensive line in front of him, and it’s making him look like JaLardass; the way he’s throwing off his back foot, the way he just takes a knee when he doesn’t know what to do, the way he’s drastically missing receivers, the way he isn’t leading this offense. Bruce should be the man until Campbell gets a better grasp of this offense and becomes more of a leader on the field.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Randrews Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:50 pm
I definitely agree with Poole. I think 6 quarters is way to quick to pull the plug on someone you traded for believing to be able to carry the load. I also think its possible we would’ve played better the second half under Campbell as well. I don’t think that Bruce’s game was anything to write home about and Campbell’s stats to date are not that different from Carson Palmers! His rating is just a point or two below and they are benching him!
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lol….you’re joking, right? did you notice that DHB and Murphy actually started to get balls once Grads was in? Well, if we’re comparing to Carson Palmer, then Grads has a better rating than Palmer. Why aren’t we starting him?
September 21st, 2010 at 10:56 pm
randrews Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:50 pm
I definitely agree with Poole. I think 6 quarters is way to quick to pull the plug on someone you traded for believing to be able to carry the load.
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Was the coaching staff and front office all in agreement with the trade in the first place?
September 21st, 2010 at 10:57 pm
It’s LOGICAL, not PANICING
September 21st, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Al Davis worships at the alter of POTENTIAL.
He has to get beyond that. Let Gradkowski go until he proves he doesn’t belong.
I would say stick with Campbell, but that offense looked HORRIBLE with him in there.
I am NO Gradkowski fan. I think he’s limited and reminds me more of JT O’Sullivan than Drew Brees.
But I also have tremendous respect for on-field production…Hype isn’t worth a thing. Production is.
DHB caught some balls last week and looked like a 1st round pick…1st time EVER. Murphy was back in the game.
Gradkowski has to play. Campbell has to go back to the drawing board and figure out why he can’t succceed at this level. He plays too slow.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Raider-DEE – Grads is the better QB. What’s so hard to understand. You keep talking about him laying an egg. He hasn’t done that so far. Quit playing the what if game. Let’s talk reality!
September 21st, 2010 at 10:59 pm
This game wont be easy.. no matter who we have at QB…. If JC does not trust that weak ass Offensive line….I cant blame him!!!
But I still say……put in campbell….Cable can always make the change at half time!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:00 pm
But I also have tremendous respect for on-field production…Hype isn’t worth a thing. Production is.
DHB caught some balls last week and looked like a 1st round pick…1st time EVER. Murphy was back in the game.
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Exactly! 5 balls for DHB with Grads in there. He looked like a friggin player in the second half!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Grads has had more time with this Offense than JC. Keep JC on the sidelines until he’s ready to take leadership and make the O flow better. With Grad healthy, likely losses come the way the Raiders played the first 6 quarters turn into feasible wins and a .500 season.
Just think: What would Jesus Gradkowski do?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Gradkowski saved the Raiders butt last week……this season would be in the crapper already if it wasn’t for him coming in and giving the whole team a lift so we can be 1-1 instead of 0-2.
Let him take it as far as he can, he may play crap next week and go back to the bench, but at least he earned the start next sunday.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:02 pm
which leads to another point Snb….If people in here keep hashing up the development of the future QB (Campbell), what about the development of our receivers? Do we sacrifice our receivers development for this QB that has been starting in this league for 7+ years now with now sign of greatness?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:03 pm
TSR…
I know you probably came in your pants last week the way Grads played… Thats Fine…. but remember…. The Sorry ass rams did not plan for Grads….. The prepared for JC…. I’m just being honest bro…. It’s not as easy at it looks!! Were still 4 point under dogs!! JC or Grads… I just want a WIN!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:03 pm
UCSBPreMedMike Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Grads has had more time with this Offense than JC. Keep JC on the sidelines until he’s ready to take leadership and make the O flow better. With Grad healthy, likely losses come the way the Raiders played the first 6 quarters turn into feasible wins and a .500 season.
Just think: What would Jesus Gradkowski do?
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Actually, Cable pointed out today that Grads has had less time under the new offense than JC. Another indication that Cable thinks highly of Grads. Able to grasp the new offense quicker than JC despite less time with it.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Boller, although playing against 2nd and 3rd string teams, did look stronger than JC. We have depth. But, JC just isn’t ready yet, and there’s no shame. That’s why there’s no controversy. But, continuing to set our selves up to not do as well as we should is. Grad, Boller, JC.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Irrespective of what the fans want or what many think is fair, I believe JCampbell will start at AZ next week. Cable sent the message and he can pull JC again if need be. JC is the staring QB and it will stay that way until AD says different. I think it was good to yank him at the half like Cable did. That did take a major set of ballz. JC has been put on notice and he now knows his leash is short. He’s sen what’s expected & now it’s up to him to deliver. This next game will say a lot about JC’s character. Will he or won’t he? Tune in Sunday to find out.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:05 pm
Came in my pants? lol….I was excited that we actually had a decent looking offense with him in there, yes. As was the rest of the room full of Raider fans I was watching with. We all asked ourselves ‘why isn’t Grads starting?!!’
Heck, I talked to a Chiefs fan today and he asked the same thing.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Reality,
That’s true…forgot that he was out with injury for most of the time while Hue took over….
September 21st, 2010 at 11:08 pm
TSR….
I got really excited myself…Bro…I like Grads more…. But I’m going to feel punked if he F’s it up!!
No regrets…. No regrets Cable!!
No musical chairs PLEEEEAAZEE!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Hey…
Anybody think Lions might pull an upset over Viks? I have a wierd feeling they might. Can’t decide what to put on my picks. Sorry to change the subject…
September 21st, 2010 at 11:08 pm
JC is a known commodity, JB. That’s the problem. Have you talked to any Washington fans? The criticism is that he can’t read defenses, anticipate receivers routes, and get the ball out on time. He couldn’t even get the offense lined up correctly on the 4th and 1, per Cable himself. I understand players can come into their own under different circumstances but he has shown 0 ability in the 6 quarters he’s played. Just the same ole JC.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:09 pm
damn im watchin mike vick and that dude is just ballin. if philly dont keep him next year we HAVE to look at him. aint nothin wrong with kolb andy reid straight lyin. he know damn well vick is playin like a #1 pick should.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:11 pm
R8dercain Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:02 pm
IMHO the raiders are gonna start JC everyweek knowing they have a capable back up in grads. He gets some playin time everyweek an as long as he makes plays an takes us down field he’ll continue to start. If he doesn’t produce they’ll bring in grads bcuz grads seem to do well when inserted to clean up or lite a spark. Hate to say it peeps JC is the starter. With the team knowing they have a capable back up. Campbell will have to do a major face plant. But I hope I’m wrong an we start grads.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:11 pm
Yeah, let’s see what happens Raider-DEE. I’d just like to see him have the chance. I understand what you’re saying about the back and forth if it fails.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Lions actually looked decent last week. That Jahvid Best cat looks like a player.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:12 pm
# Try Some Reality Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:08 pm
JC is a known commodity, JB. That’s the problem. Have you talked to any Washington fans? The criticism is that he can’t read defenses, anticipate receivers routes, and get the ball out on time. He couldn’t even get the offense lined up correctly on the 4th and 1, per Cable himself. I understand players can come into their own under different circumstances but he has shown 0 ability in the 6 quarters he’s played. Just the same ole JC.
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You are probably right but something just tells me he will start in AZ. I’m not saying that’s what I prefer, I just feel that’s the way it will turn out. If everything is equal during practice his week, I think its JC who will be in there.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:12 pm
If Al Davis never made those Jim Plunkett comments about Campbell Gradz would be starting he dont wanna make him self look dumb
September 21st, 2010 at 11:13 pm
aint nothin wrong with kolb andy reid straight lyin
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lol…
September 21st, 2010 at 11:14 pm
This is typical of people of the same race protecting each other. Happened to Whites, Asians, and Blacks. All stupid to me.
Poole try to lay the blame of Jawalrus’ off the field antics on the Raiders. Now he is trying to protect another black QB. Sickening.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:14 pm
TSR…
You make a great point about campbell in Wash…… If he was really worth a lot….. Shanahan would have never traded him to the Raiders!!! He wont let go of the damn ball!! You guys are right!!! Lets go with Grads!! I just want a win!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:15 pm
tsrs,YES,some of us think youre a bit off center,maybe sfbs comes to mind! I mean,callin others idiots cuz we think youre a MORON is a bit funny,right,idiot
September 21st, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Nation your thoughts on post 43.
Accurate????
September 21st, 2010 at 11:18 pm
JC could look like a STIFF out there!! He reminds me of Marc Wilson!!
Please not another Marc Wilson!!
Ayone remember him??
September 21st, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Yeah, Shanarat was all too happy to get a 4th for JC. And the cherry on top for him was that he was taking advantage of Davis. But, man, was I happy to see Shanarat get a taste of his own medicine last week with the timeout right before his kicker nailed the 50 yarder. The second attempt failed and Houston marched right down the field for the victory.
Glad you’re on board Raider-DEE. Let’s put the best players on the field! We need to beat Zona for sure!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:20 pm
# UCSBPreMedMike Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 10:57 pm
It’s LOGICAL, not PANICING
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Wow, pre-med student. Might want to walk across campus and take an English course. It’s “panicking”.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Pre-Season Passer Ratings:
Gradkowski 125.9
Boller 102.9
Campbell 70.4
September 21st, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Typo…besides, I’m in the sciences, not humanities.
Thanks for the correction.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Campbell will have to play himself out of the starting position. An if we hadn’t been such a losing franchise all these yrs,7 if I’m correct. Than cable never makes that move and if an only if he did it was just for that day. JC remains the starter on any other team in the NFL
he hasn’t had enough time in live situations to be assesed yet. Were just hungry for W’s
September 21st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
BEST COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC, SO FAR:
# RADRNATN Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:12 pm
If Al Davis never made those Jim Plunkett comments about Campbell Gradz would be starting he dont wanna make him self look dumb
September 21st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Post #43
Interesting, that’s what Poole is saying. I can see the reasoning, but, Cable’s right, they need to win Sunday. Develop Campbell some other time.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:27 pm
LOL. Alright, PreMed student. It’s just if my doctor spelled ‘panicked’ that way, I’d be a little scared.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:28 pm
My doctor spelling panicked without a k would have me “paniced”.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:28 pm
I personally don’t care who starts for the Raiders at QB, be it Jason or Bruce or Boller. Go with whoever is playing the best.
But knowing that RaiderHater Poole is pulling for JC to start against AZ means that it should definitely be one of the other two.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Does anyone recall what Poole said of the Campbell trade when it happened? As I recall, he wasn’t exactly on board, was he?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:30 pm
RE Post 43,
It actually makes sense to me. It makes everyone happy with respect to admin and coaches. JC has a chance to prove himself, Davis doesn’t have to eat his words on back to back starting QB’s, and Grads and/or Boller can get us ahead.
Question is, how long do we wait to pull JC? How many 3 and outs, incomplete passes, INT’s? Even if the score is 0-0, and we’re not moving the field, we have to take advantage of that and get into the red zone, right?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:30 pm
KiffinRaider,
you haven’t decided to stop breathing yet? why not? it is the compassionate thing to do.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Somthing tells me it’s going to be a repeat of last week!!! But if were down by more than 10 at the half…. Put in Grads… but dont blame him for the loss!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:33 pm
You’re rite koolkell we gotta win on Sundays but JC hasn’t done anything bad enough to lose his job. Chek out post 58 where I make a point
September 21st, 2010 at 11:36 pm
R8dercain – He hasn’t done anything good enough to win the job either. Why should he be the starter? Tell me that.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Point taken, Real MaddenRaider.
And from my experience, if your Doctor IS panicking, then that’s when you should panic, whether there is a k involved or not!
(Oh, and a side note: Sad thing is, I use to be an English major!)
September 21st, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Again I’m all for who’s gonna give us the best chance to win on Sundays. I think grads is the man. But JC is a proven vet as well. An the coaches/orginization/AD is gonna give him ID say some playing rime every week. Til he really really f$$$ks up
September 21st, 2010 at 11:40 pm
I think Poole is trying to get back on Al Davis’ good side. He has the boot out of practices, right?
September 21st, 2010 at 11:42 pm
# Raider-DEE Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Somthing tells me it’s going to be a repeat of last week!!! But if were down by more than 10 at the half…. Put in Grads… but dont blame him for the loss!!
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That’s what I said. Just let Campbell start every week, and then let Gradkowski come in at half time and clean up his mess….every week.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:45 pm
Both JC and Gradkowski have their limitations, if a change is made teams will game-plan for Grads instead of JC and it will get much tougher for Bruce.
But Grads has proven that he can sense the rush, move or get rid of the ball to make something out of nothing, JC has not shown he can do it and not because he can’t move but because he does not seem to be as instinctive as Gradkowski, with this O-Line, that should be enough to give Bruce the edge at this time.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Try some reality:
You’re correct but AD made the plunkett comparison.
So JC is the starter bcuz of that. Grads deserves a shot. An I think of JC doesn’t get it,an he ain’t got much time to figure it out. Then will see grads in the drivers seat.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:47 pm
UCSBPreMedMike Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:40 pm
I think Poole is trying to get back on Al Davis’ good side.
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The LEAST likely scenario, huh? Considering the backbone of Poole’s career is his persistent criticism of the Raiders?
Tell me where you plan on practicing medicine so I can warn everyone there to be extra careful when selecting a doctor.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Eh…guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Buenos Nachos, Nation!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:50 pm
R8dercain – I thought we were discussing why JC *should* or *should not* be the starter. Davis absolutely wants JC. Not only is there the Plunkett comment but also the Raiders doctoring up Cable’s postgame quotes regarding the QB change.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Try Some Reality, why shouldn’t people discuss possible front office politics that might be dictating who or who doesn’t start
September 21st, 2010 at 11:53 pm
the guys is premed. That means he is still working on his BS. When he gets to med school then you start worrying about his spelling. Homie has a long way to go before/if he gets accepted into med school. It’s one of the most competitive fields out there because of the economy.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:53 pm
If teams have a week of practice to gameplan for grads. Does he still perform as well with that added pressure???? An if not does JC then give us a spark???
If the tables are turned.
Things to make u go hummmm!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Yup. Davis is backed into the corner with JC. JFB said it best…Jerome Plunkett!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:54 pm
imo,JC starts,period.This young man doesnt deserve the CRAP hes gettin,give him some time! New team,New City.RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:55 pm
Never said we shouldn’t discuss it. I even brought it up earlier. See post #10.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Sorry Hendu, I am not going to start this season with more losses so that JC can learn on the job. I want to win now. It’s been 7 years already.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Didnt Cinci, Dallas, Pitt and Wash gameplanned against Grad last year and he didnt embarrass himself out there. We didnt get blown out like we were with Jawalrus I and II.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Sorry Hendu, I am not going to start this season with more losses so that JC can learn on the job. I want to win now. It’s been 7 years already.
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Exactly. And learn on the job at the expense of our receivers? No way. Let him learn on the bench and at practice.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:59 pm
Try some reality:
chek out post 58.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 am
I see what you’re saying R8dercain but I ask again, why should he even be starting in the first place? What has he done to deserve the start? I know why he is starting (Davis).
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 am
Some messes are too big to clean up!
Gradwinski understands his protection and knows his hot reads.
While Jason Campbell looked very stiff and at unease during Sunday’s game..not to mention how late his balls were coming out. The guy is putting to much pressure on himself. He’s psyching himself out.
Give me Gradkowski / Boller at QB any day.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 am
85,UNDERSTAND youre opinion, my family is split on this,someone will be right,or wrong!Raiders!
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 am
aig-raiders Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:14 pm
This is typical of people of the same race protecting each other. Happened to Whites, Asians, and Blacks. All stupid to me.
Poole try to lay the blame of Jawalrus’ off the field antics on the Raiders. Now he is trying to protect another black QB. Sickening.
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Come on Aig. Blacks are the only group where if one of them messes up we assign blame to the entire group. Its not right.
Judge the individual…not the group.
Problem is that minorities think an attack on one is an attack on all
But equal problem is when we point to the failure of one from another race and paint the whole group.
What does Campbell or JaDavis have to do with Josh Freeman? ~ Nothing. Josh Freeman only has to concern himself with practicing, studying and playing hard.
Race has NOTHING to do with this discussion. Its about men named Campbell, Gradkowski and Davis. That’s it.
Leave the skin pigmentation and ethnicities at the door.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:04 am
# aig-raiders Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:54 pm
JFB said it best…Jerome Plunkett!
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I didn’t know Campbell was Jewish.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:05 am
I think we all want to win “now” but is grads the long term guy. U see they know what they have there. I think they wanna see what JC can bring. It’s a shame we have to doit at the exspense of our young skilled players. But if JC can play like he did in pre season than we have two capable winners. Being That JC would be an awesome pik up. An grads is lighting in a bottle. An they break it in case of emergency!!!
I like them both, grads gives us the best shot “now”
what about long term???
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:07 am
hendu Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:54 pm
imo,JC starts,period.This young man doesnt deserve the CRAP hes gettin,
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Yes, he does. He’s an adult and he knew what kind of situation he’d be getting into. The players talk with players on other teams. It’s just like any other industry. They know what’s going on. Campbell got traded, he’s getting the same contract, he knows there’s a spark plug on the bench that at least half the fan base wants to see start…and he’s still playing like crap. He deserves it. He’s not a volunteer. He’s on the payroll.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:08 am
I think Gradkowski is a better “long term” answer than Campbell, too. For those of you who keep bringing up that scenario.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 am
hendu Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 am
85,UNDERSTAND youre opinion, my family is split on this,someone will be right,or wrong!Raiders
…………….it will be like it always is al davis will be right and everyone else will be wrong.its like dropping a stone you dont have too see it hit the ground but you know its goimg to fall.al davis is going to make a decision on who starts and you know its going to be right.if we were right as often as him than we would have a 800 million dollar feanchise.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:11 am
what about long term???
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This team has been in a downward spiral for too long. Let’s not gamble away our young players time here for one player. A player, mind you, that hasn’t shown much in 7+ years as a starter. We don’t have a long term at QB right now, plain and simple. Let’s keep looking for the long term but do what we need to win now.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:11 am
aig-raiders Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Poole try to lay the blame of Jawalrus’ off the field antics on the Raiders.
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No he didn’t. In fact he started that article off by pointing out how Russell was as accountable as anyone for his own failure. What he said about the Raiders is that they could have done more to help Russell, and he was right.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:14 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:08 am
I think Gradkowski is a better “long term” answer than Campbell, too. For those of you who keep bringing up that scenario.
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Not sure what folks see in JC that has them convinced he’s the long term answer. What has he shown exactly? He has an arm? Ooooohhh, wow. How many deep passes has he completed so far?
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:14 am
SnB,
I dont think you understood my points. I was stating that Monte Poole is merely protecting the Black QB’s. Just like Jawalrus can do no wrong in Priest’s eyes. Monte tried to lay the purple drank issues on Al Davis and the org. Now Monte has a silly article on why the Raiders should start JC. Monte makes his case by attacking and belittlering Grad as if Grad is some off the bench 6th man.
Monte completely ignored our only few bright spots last season were under Grad. This kind of racial bias happens in all races. I see it all the time. I think it’s sad.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:14 am
its like lane kiffin people say he is crazy for letting him go called him names and years later find out al davis was dead on about kiffin.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:17 am
TSR,
Deep passes? Exactly! I want people to tell me exactly what he has shown them that shows he can win. The man has been given starter status for 5+ years and still can’t produce.
The man can’t even recognize the wrong formation on 4th and 1 in the first Qtr. That is Jawalrus territory. You see Grad in there and he starts audiblelizing like a mad man.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:18 am
# fat kidd Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 am
if we were right as often as him than we would have a 800 million dollar feanchise.
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I don’t know if it’s good to equate ones net worth with how “right” they are. Pretty ambiguous term. Could mean smarter, could mean having more morals. Ugly insinuation, IMO. I certainly hope you have more criteria to make a case that Al Davis is smarter than us than him merely having more money.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:20 am
BS Mr.
What more could the Raiders do? For crying out loud, they even had an explayer babysat Jawalrus in the offseason and the man can’t get it right. Do you think New England would have babied him? How about Bill Parcells?
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:20 am
Furthermore, Fat Kidd, would it be fair to say that because you don’t have 70 million dollars, you’re not as “right” as JaMarcus Russell?
Would it be fair to say that because you’ve never coached in the NFL or in division 1 college football, that you’re not as “right” as Lane Kiffin?
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:21 am
95, please spare me/us with youre I knew/he should have known crap,mrs ok,mrs is doing a fine job, sittin on the fence,seein how it flows,into his BOWL
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:21 am
Try some reality:
valid point. But obviously the coaches felt somethin bout JC.
Tho they don’t owe him diddley pooh. Our beloved owner has his back
how big are cables balls. Will he bench JC?
Will he start grads?
Is this the end of JC’s raider career?
Tune in on Sunday nation to find out
on as the nation turns!
Lol
go raiders
start grads
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:22 am
Who cares what Monte Poole has to say. Think you are reading way to deep into this.
There is a lot to be concerned about with Gradkowski. And more to be concerned about with Campbell.
I don’t think supporting one or the other is about protecting anyone.
Arguments can be made both ways. Let’s be real here, Gradkowski may be a better QB for now…but its not like the Raiders are choosing between Peyton Manning and Shaun Hill.
Both of these QBs would have a tough time starting for any team in the league right now.
Just that Gradkowski can steer the ship better than Campbell….kind of like the best of the worst if you ask me
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 am
aig-raiders Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:20 am
BS Mr.
What more could the Raiders do? For crying out loud,
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Hire a coaching staff that would make their top priority to groom him into an NFL quarterback, and stick with them.
Hire a personal coach closer to his age at the first indication that there were signs of trouble.
Give him an option between drug rehab or termination of contract at the first indication of drug use, or excessive drinking.
That’s just for starters. I could think of tons more of easy, simple, practically costless things the Raiders could have done to help Russell.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:20 am
Furthermore, Fat Kidd, would it be fair to say that because you don’t have 70 million dollars, you’re not as “right” as JaMarcus Russell?
Would it be fair to say that because you’ve never coached in the NFL or in division 1 college football, that you’re not as “right” as Lane Kiffin?
…………….i dont have as much as al davis but come too palm springs and ask my accountant if i got jamarcus russell beat.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 am
Let me say this no QB on our roster is the “long term” answer. They brought in JC
we have two cast off vets with grads prolly being the better of the three. It’s just JC to AD JC is his shiny knew toy. Cut the warmer of the two (JC) an go get a fourth or fifth rounder in the draft an let hue Jack develop him while grads wins “now”
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 am
# aig-raiders Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:20 am
Do you think New England would have babied him (Russell)? How about Bill Parcells?
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Two answers. One, they probably wouldn’t have drafted him in the first place. Neither Belichick or Parcells are known to gamble on draft day. They’re both pretty astute at getting the right players to fit their system. Two, if they had for some reason drafted Russell, YES, they would have done more to make it work. In Parcells’ case, to save face, if anything. They would not have let him just get swallowed by the bay area drug scene.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:29 am
You have 70 million dollars, Fat Kidd?
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:33 am
Excuse the typos in my last post iPhones have a mind of there own
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:35 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:29 am
You have 70 million dollars, Fat Kidd?
…………..jamarcus russell dont he walked away with 36 million from oakland ,which uncle sam took his chunk . plus what he spent on cars and homes i could beat that number.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:37 am
Fat Kidd, I’m pretty sure Russell has a couple of million, at least. Are you a millionaire?
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:39 am
111,Fat Kidd,cmon now,my family lives in Catcity,Desert Hot Springs,etc What you have for rent/lease? About to hit 59,one more year till pension kicks in,rule of 84.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:41 am
F$$k JMRussell. If they thought,they being other NFL franchises he would be on a roster.
He’s not. An yes other franchises take chances.
He ain’t worth a d$$$m.
He’s a bum
An oh I’m African American.
Lol
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:43 am
r8dercain Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:41 am
An oh I’m African American.
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And drunk.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 am
many of you are bashing jason campbell in here and its not deserved. he works hard and tried to lead, he just doesnt seem t be any good. nothing he can do about that, so to boo him is disrespectful. if hes in next home game simply cheer for bruce dont boo campbell.
i too want gradkowski to start, just thought id state my feelings there. dont make campbell a villian, its not a lack of preparation, its lack of ability.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:45 am
he just doesnt seem t be any good
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lol…you hit the nail on the head there
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:45 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:37 am
Fat Kidd, I’m pretty sure Russell has a couple of million, at least. Are you a millionaire?
yes i was in pennsylvania two years ago working at a kenworth truck dealership,my grandmother passed away and now i live on her estate in palm springs,i have two benetleys i have not even driven yet. why because i was in her will!!!!!!!!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:51 am
Hire a coaching staff that would make their top priority to groom him into an NFL quarterback, and stick with them.
Hire a personal coach closer to his age at the first indication that there were signs of trouble.
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RMR, you’re my hero. They had it right with Greg Knapp and John DeFillipo. How he ended up with Hackett, Tollner, and two rookie wide receivers is beyond me. Oh well. As far as our little contro is concerned, I think both players suck. But for whatever reason, Grads seems to have a lucky horshoe up his ass. Bartell’s dropped interception in the endzone and that BS roughing-the-passer-call at the end had a lot to do with the victory. Last year, the Bungles dropped two or three interceptions, fumbled five times and shanked a 30-yard field goal and all these guys on the site who cry themselves to sleep every night watching Rudy give all the credit to Grads. In the Pittsburg game, Louis Murphy comes up with a Hail Mary pass and Joe Burnett drops a punt-like interception and Grads comes out smelling like a rose again. Gotta give the guy credit though. The Raiders are usually on the wrong side of stuff like that. I say start Grads. If he sucks, and I think he will, we’ll be rid of Cable sooner than later.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:52 am
Fat Kid, a test for us all!The main highway connecting the cities is?
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:52 am
r8dercain Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:41 am
F$$k JMRussell. If they thought,they being other NFL franchises he would be on a roster.
He’s not. An yes other franchises take chances.
He ain’t worth a d$$$m.
He’s a bum
An oh I’m African American.
Lol
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Believe me dude, once he clears that case he caught, he’ll be on another team.
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:55 am
hendu Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:52 am
Fat Kid, a test for us all!The main highway connecting the cities is?
………………..san fran too los angeles highway 1
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:01 am
Fat Kidd, I don’t believe you. I have too much respect for you to think that if you had a million dollars, you’d spend more than one hour per month in here.
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:03 am
San Fran to Los Angeles:
Hwy 101 I think would be the main hwy connecting LA to SF. Hwy 1 is a scenic route.
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:05 am
Faster way from LA to SF would be I-5 to Tracy, then 580 to the town, then 80 across the bay bridge. But of course that’s 3 highways. But I think that’s your fastest route.
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:07 am
I-5 is definitely the fastest way to LA and back.
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 am
I would definitely take the 101 if I had the time, though. The PCH? Every one should do it once. But it’s a long f’n drive. Exhausting. Big Sur, which is all hard turns and steep cliffs, makes up for about 90 minutes of it. The interstate system is efficient, but you really have to take the highways to experience America. The interstate system took the soul out of this country, and demolished one of the greatest highways in the world, route 66.
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:14 am
answer,Highway 111,Palm Springs,Cat City,Rancho Mirage,Palm Desert,Indio,whatever
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:16 am
Yes PCH is a nice drive. But from big sur to Hearst castle suks
you’re rite madden. To many f’n turns
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 am
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my estate is on north palm canyon drive ,this is my accountant,if you call and ask him about the fat kidd which is a joke he will ask if your crazy.i was standing on a ups package scale at work weighing myself and a person said who had the most sales this month al or frank a guy looked at a print out and said neither pointed at me on the scale and said jokingly its the fat kidd. and it stuck………
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 am
When I go to socal it’s hgwy 5. For me
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:28 am
Sorry, Kidd, I just don’t buy it. Part of the reason I’m online so much is because I don’t have a lot of money. LOL. I just can’t imagine anyone with a million dollars being a blog regular. Too sad.
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:30 am
135, got good credit,lets go! Think we should have a Bud, and talk a bit! Raiders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:42 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:28 am
Sorry, Kidd, I just don’t buy it. Part of the reason I’m online so much is because I don’t have a lot of money. LOL. I just can’t imagine anyone with a million dollars being a blog regular. Too sad.
…………..lets see i retired my wife didnt i could either talk on line in a chatroom till my wife comes home or chase the maid around,if my wife caught me chasing the maid around my teeth would be extracted from my mouth with one punch from her so i think i will go into a chatroom and talk about my favorite team. i would rather be that guy mcclain drove into the ground than piss off the old lady,what does she run your life? yes she does!! i am married almost thirty years and would like too keep it that way.
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:56 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:03 am
San Fran to Los Angeles:
Hwy 101 I think would be the main hwy connecting LA to SF. Hwy 1 is a scenic route.
………………dont always be in a rush take highway 1 thru santa barbara see the ocean its a more pleasant drive….
September 22nd, 2010 at 2:05 am
now i do not recomend taking highway 10 too phoenix that interstate is loaded wirh nutjobs.
September 22nd, 2010 at 3:10 am
“Quarterback switch now would reek of panic”-Monte Hall.
What a load of nonsense!
Apart from the fact that Al Davis doesn’t give a rat’s arse what the league thinks, Bruce right now is the better quarterback.
Spark Gradowski lit up the team in the second half and where their defense was dominant in the first half there were NO sacks in the second.
One reason for that is that what DC fans said about Campbell is true: He has a slow release, stares down the intended receiver, has trouble reading the defense fast enough, and takes too long to make up his mind.
With our offensive line in its current state we need need someone who can do all of those things a lot faster and that someone is Bruce.
This is not to say that Campbell isn’t competent. He is-and he’s no Russell. The man works at his job.
Right now though, Bruce is a better fit.
Besides, Gradowski came in last week and won the game. HE was the QB last week so going back to Campbell is a switch in itself.
Bruce won the right to play. When he loses, then let Campbell play but not until then.
September 22nd, 2010 at 3:16 am
Fat Kidd:
You don’t recommend taking Interstate 10 to Phoenix because “that interstate is loaded with nut jobs”?
When I used to take the 10 to LA from Beaumont, it was loaded with a lot of nut jobs going that way too.
September 22nd, 2010 at 3:20 am
Driving up from LA to the Bay Area the 5 is faster even if you’re going to the City.
I like that 101 though, it’s more relaxing. Highway 1 is really pleasant but you’d better have a lot of time on your hands.
September 22nd, 2010 at 3:34 am
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 5:42 am
I base it on production. I think that Grads is pretty much at his peak. I’ll never see him as a 60%+ passer. He has a low completion percentage.
But what matters most is he makes the plays count. He gets the first down when maybe J.C. would get a completion short of the 1st down. He puts his teammates in the position to make plays.
I base things on production. Wins and losses. Even last year we were a .500 team with Grads in and starting. Look at what gets produced in wins/losses, and you’ll see the better QB. Look at what the team did while one QB was in there compared to the other. Total yards. Time of posession etc.
I think you have your answer who should start. It doesn’t matter who “was supposed to be the starter”. Now that Bush is back next week do you give him the start because “he was supposed to be the starter”?
The “starter” is supposed to be the one who gets the most production, not the person who “should be getting more production”. I haven’t seen Jason Campbell’s “potential” even when he was with the Redskins. He had a high completion percentage but that didn’t translate into points or wins. He shouldn’t be given a free ride here if someone else is producing better.
The QB is like every other player on the team. The best player should be put in. Why is thought otherwise?
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:00 am
The Raiders respond to Gradkowski in a big way. When he enters a game, it’s like Mr. Fun strolling into a dead party.
Speaking of party, it looks like this will be a lively week in the team owner’s office at the Alameda bat cave.
———LMFAO————-
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:07 am
Safety Stevie Brown was waived Tuesday just three days after being promoted to the 53-man roster and making a big special teams tackle in a 16-14 win over the St. Louis Rams.
If Brown clears waivers, he’ll likely be back on the practice squad.
No word yet on who will be signed to take Brown’s spot, but the locker of offensive lineman Erik Pears was still intact Monday even though he was waived prior to the Rams game.
Cutting Brown likely means the Raiders believe Hiram Eugene, out with a hamstring injury against St. Louis, will be able to face Arizona.
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more bonehead moves by management!
expect DMAC to get just 10 carries now that Ron Dayne has a fixed thumb and John Henderson to get just 10 snaps now that Richard “I show up 2 games per year” Seymour is ready to go with his gimpy hamstring
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:12 am
morning rockstar
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:13 am
Campbell will probably have a more supportive crowd in Arizona than he would in Oakland
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until he passes for 250 yards, 2 TD’s (no turnovers) and we win 21-17!
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:14 am
good morning AM crew!
30YR, VH, Mav, England …
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:14 am
i got a trade proposal and i think this deal benefits everyone involved… you want a quality lineman in here RR????
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:16 am
everyone listening?? its a 3 way deal…
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:16 am
Campbell is not a very good quarterback. He takes too long to make a decision, he can’t avoid the rush, he won’t take a hit to get a first down, and he doesn’t seem to care whether we win or not. Shanahan fooled Davis again with that trade.
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:18 am
you want a quality lineman in here
everyone listening??
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30YR, yes. please continue
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:18 am
What kind of stupid team cuts Stevie Brown after he makes a great special teams play?
Oh…yea….the Raiders.
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:20 am
ok here it goes… involves us, pats, bills..
1. raiders get logan mankins and marshawn lynch
2. pats get mike bush
3. bills get 3rd rd draft pick frm new england and an undisclosed frm us based on lynch performance
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:21 am
the bills will def go for it if the pats give a #2
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:23 am
Today, Tom Cable is supposed to announce who his starting quarterback is Sunday in Arizona. I will be on ESPN’s First Take at 7 a.m. to discuss this, but for those of you sleeping in, here’s my take:
No one truly knows the Al Davis-Tom Cable relationship, and how much input Cable actually has in personnel and lineup decisions. That’s why I think it is curious that the conventional thinking seems to be that Cable wants Gradkowski and Davis wants Campbell.
The Cable part, I get — all Gradkowski does is keep saving Cable’s job. First, with the two wins last season and then with the comeback over the Rams last week. It’s the Davis-Campbell part I am not totally buying. People mention that Davis waited a long time to pull the plug on JaMarcus Russell (25 starts) but that’s because Russell was a No. 1 pick and Davis adopted and got sole custody of the spoiled kid when he and Lane Kiffin divorced.
Campbell only cost him a fourth-round pick, and yes Davis did give him a one-year contract extension, and yes Davis did compare him to Jim Plunkett. Well, contracts aren’t guaranteed and compared to Russell, Campbell is Jim Plunkett.
But Davis isn’t getting any younger and he wants to win, this season — Nnamdi Asomugha mentioned the urgency he felt talking to the owner before training camp. Davis made some nice offseason moves and the Raiders had their best draft in years.
That’s why the Raiders will name Gradkowski the starter today, I think. He gives the Raiders the best shot to win right now. The offensive line is a mess, but Gradkowski can get out of the pocket and release the ball faster than Campbell. Campbell seems jittery and flustered from some big shots he took in the preseason and first two games. He has zero pocket presence right now.
Maybe if the line gets better, Campbell is the better long-term option because of his size and arm strength. And maybe he will get a shot later in the season, because I don’t think you lose Campbell or kill his confidence if you bench him today. He’s a cool customer (too cool?) that has had 50-some starts in the NFL. He’ll be angry and rightfully so (six quarters, really?). But if you lose him, he wasn’t worth having in the first place.
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:23 am
i dont care who we have at qb if we still dont have any QUALITY LINEMAN UP FRONT!!,… mankins and lynch would welcome a return to cali.. new eng gets a good runner at a cheap price and buff unloads lynch salary and gets picks..
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:23 am
Shanahan fooled Davis again with that trade.
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we got Jason Campbell for next to nothing
4th rounder in 2012
JaWalrus is the biggest bust in NFL history
Gradkowski & Frye got injured last year. 3rd string journeyman types anyway
Al Davis wasn’t “fooled”. JCamp has far better production than Russell, Grads, Frye & Boller combined!
the move was a no brainer and every Raider fan on the planet (except JFB-Vegas) was willing to lobby for it back in April
of course guys are going to lie about it now and say they knew Bruce was the answer all along, LOL. typical semi pro bloggers!
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:26 am
ok here it goes… involves us, pats, bills..
1. raiders get logan mankins and marshawn lynch
2. pats get mike bush
3. bills get 3rd rd draft pick frm new england and an undisclosed frm us based on lynch performance
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sounds good to me!
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:26 am
what u think????
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:26 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
England…good post! I think Bruce Almighty won the starting job…I think he has a chip on his shoulder like DMac!!! “You wanna bring in another QB when you had one all the time huh???” I say…start Bruce until he proves that he can’t (which will usually mean he’ll get hurt)…
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:27 am
good morning Hwnrdr, Kirk …
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 am
Big All compared Campbell to Jim Plunkett.
Maybe he was a little off. Maybe Campbell is Dan Pastorini and Gradkowski is Plunkett.
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:29 am
trade Gradkowski right now while he’s healthy!
3rd rounder = asking price
he’s going to get hurt, just a matter of when (not IF) plus he’ll be a free agent next year anyways
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:31 am
RaiderfanNY Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 am
Big All compared Campbell to Jim Plunkett.
Maybe he was a little off. Maybe Campbell is Dan Pastorini and Gradkowski is Plunkett.
OUCH!!! LOL
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:31 am
Hey Rockstar…do we bring back Colt?
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:33 am
30YR: I agree with you that the O-Line needs major upgrades, but Satele & Loper both played well last week imo
Henderson, Veldheer & Walker have stunk 2 weeks in a row now!
Gallery (when healthy) is our best OL and Carlisle can get it done … he just isn’t consistent
both Tackle spots need to be upgraded. the sad part is that we knew this back in January and drafted 2 tackles in April.
Tom Cable made 1 a Center and the other a Guard!
what a bum!
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:33 am
I don’t know if Bruce will end up the ultimate answer, but I have had confidence in him since I saw him play last year.
I did always know that Jason Campbell is steaming pile of dog crap from day one.
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:35 am
Hwnrdr: i’m all for giving Colt Brennan another shot
did he ever really get a first shot?
Preseason seemed to be the Campbell/Gradkowski/Boller show!
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:35 am
of course guys are going to lie about it now and say they knew Bruce was the answer all along, LOL. typical semi pro bloggers!
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I was all for the Campbell signing, but I only knew his stats, not the intangibles. Gradkowski is a MUCH better leader for THIS team than Campbell is and should be starting. If you are so certain he will get injured than you have nothing to worry about, Campbell will be back in shortly.
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:35 am
Tom Cable made 1 a Center
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After this weekend, Jered Veldheer will have played just as much tackle as C, and could be our starting LT in a few weeks.
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:36 am
# hwnrdr Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:31 am
Hey Rockstar…do we bring back Colt?
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why??? we need quality lineman in here not undrafted qbs
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:38 am
After this weekend, Jered Veldheer will have played just as much tackle as C, and could be our starting LT in a few weeks.
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is that a good thing or a bad thing?
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:38 am
after we unload bush to new eng for mankins we then strike a deal with balt for jared gaither
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:40 am
ask balt what reasonable for him
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:40 am
need to build this line ASAP!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:42 am
strike a deal with balt for jared gaither
ask balt what reasonable for him
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30YR: I like the idea
is Gaither healthy yet?
Jerry Mac seems to think Hue Jackson wasn’t all that impressed with him or he’d be a Raider already
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:44 am
Umm…I know that…but Rockstar said to trade Grads…what, we’re gonna rely on boller if JC goes down??? And Colt did get drafted by Washington…maybe 7th round, but hey…no one knew what Brady could do and he went 6th round…
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why??? we need quality lineman in here not undrafted qbs
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:44 am
THE defense will be good enough to keep us in every game frm here on out i believe.. it has to start up front with controlling the line of scrimmage… logan mankins does not want to go back to new eng and jared gaither wants to go back to LT…THESE 2 BEASTS WILL GIVE THE TIME THAT IS NEEDED FOR A QB TO SUCCEED
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:45 am
BCZ: besides Oakland, what team would give up on thier brand new starting QB in less than 2 weeks?
Kerry Collins replaced Vince Young to provide a “spark” , is he thier starting QB the rest of the season?
the answer is NO
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:46 am
lets not worry about st brown, colt brennan yamon figurs, chaz shillens….. the list goes on… need some QUALITY OL IN HERE ASAP
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:52 am
JC should start this sun vs the cards… it should be very similar to last week tho.. if hes flat and cant hit anything then to the bench he goes that lil monkey
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:52 am
30YR: I think we’re good at guard with Gallery, Loper, Carlisle & Campbell
Tackle = Henderson, Walker, Veldheer & Barnes
Pears (most likely coming back)
I would have kept Stevie Brown and let Pears stay in the unemployment line … then moved Langston Walker to guard. dump Bruce Campbell (practice squad material)
and get a Tackle like Gaither or somebody else to replace Mario Henderson in the starting lineup
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:54 am
Mankins wants a new contract not a new team.
A simple trade without a contract extension will not even get him to show up to work.
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:56 am
Kerry Collins replaced Vince Young to provide a “spark” , is he thier starting QB the rest of the season?
the answer is NO
No, but VY keeps it up like how he played against Pitt…then…Fisher did it before, he’ll do it again!
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:58 am
mankins plays C as well as guard…need to really go after JARED GAITHER really hard.. he can be had for the right price..
ol of
LT GAITHER
RG GALL
C MANKINS
RG WALKER
RT VELDHEER
MAKE IT HAPPEN HERRERA AND AL IF YOUR READING!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:00 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:54 am
Mankins wants a new contract not a new team.
A simple trade without a contract extension will not even get him to show up to work.
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but of course. he would get the deal… al pays u know that!! ask cambell and seymour
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:01 am
Morning Vegas, RR, Hwnrdr, Bcz, & 30!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:02 am
No, but VY keeps it up like how he played against Pitt…then…Fisher did it before, he’ll do it again!
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Hwnrdr, I think we can all agree that if Jason Campbell doesn’t improve from what we’ve seen the first 1.5 games in a Raider jersey, he shouldn’t be the starting QB (even if Kyle Boller was #2)
no scholarships!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:03 am
i have proposed the BEST 2 DEALS THAT WOULD GET 2!!! 2 QUALITY LINEMAN IN HERE,this must happen for us to succeed!!! we maDE some moves offseason defensevly now its time to make some ” INTRAOPERATIVE MOVES”!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:04 am
good morning ray, BCZ, JFB, NY …
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:04 am
# 30 year raider Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:03 am
i have proposed the BEST 2 DEALS THAT WOULD GET 2!!! 2 QUALITY LINEMAN IN HERE,this must happen for us to succeed!!! we maDE some moves offseason defensevly now its time to make some ” INTRAOPERATIVE MOVES”!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE —OFFENSIVELY UP FRONT
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:05 am
Campbell = Pastorini? I can see that comparison. Does Amy Trask = Georgia Frontiere?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:06 am
I LOVE bruces heart grittyness desire mobility… all the intangibles he brings but can he last a 14 game season with this line?????
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:08 am
Mike Bush = Logan Mankins and a draft choice? NE would have to be insane.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:08 am
vittorio taffur on first take now says he thinks its gonna be bruce
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:09 am
Bruce could last the whole season if we ran the ball more on second and long or even third and long.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:09 am
can he last a 14 game season with this line?????
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14 games left in the season for Bruce?
I’d be surprised if he lasts past Week 8
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:10 am
****Who will be the starter aginst the Cardinals?*****
The answer is: Jason Campbell
Why CJ?: Because Campbell has the better upside sitting in the pocket placing the ball where it needs to be once we develop a better o-line &our WRS learn how to catch breaking out of routes. Grads is having more success rolling out of the pocket and dink and dunkin the ball but he is not as methodical as Gannon. Grads is more of a sandlot seat of his pants type of QB.
Lastly, Grads was put in to shake Campbell up a little bit to get his act together.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:10 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:05 am
Campbell = Pastorini? I can see that comparison. Does Amy Trask = Georgia Frontiere?
Haha…no! Amy is way cuter!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:12 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:08 am
Mike Bush = Logan Mankins and a draft choice? NE would have to be insane.
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faulk is out torn ACL… MANKINS is sitting at home tweedling his thumbs right now.. that deal goes down in a heartbeat..
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:13 am
CJ, Campbell is the dink and dunker not Grads.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:13 am
Bruce Gradkowski = Danny Wuerffel
The End
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:15 am
I wouldn’t be suprised if Campbell was made the #3 this weekend, just to get his head right.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:15 am
Why CJ?: Because Campbell has the better upside sitting in the pocket placing the ball where it needs to be once we develop a better o-line &our WRS learn how to catch breaking out of routes. Grads is having more success rolling out of the pocket and dink and dunkin the ball but he is not as methodical as Gannon. Grads is more of a sandlot seat of his pants type of QB.
Lastly, Grads was put in to shake Campbell up a little bit to get his act together.
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agreed wit everthing
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 am
Hwnrdr, I think we can all agree that if Jason Campbell doesn’t improve from what we’ve seen the first 1.5 games in a Raider jersey, he shouldn’t be the starting QB (even if Kyle Boller was #2)
no scholarships!
I agree!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 am
In 2004, Gradkowski passed for 3518 yards with 27 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. He was named MVP of the 2004 GMAC bowl.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 am
Danny Wuerffel played from 1997-2002
played 6 years in the league, 4 different teams plus the NFL Europe
Bruce Gradkowski played from 2006-Present
so far has played 5 years in the league with 4 different teams
Career stats as of today:
TD-INT 16-17
Passing yards 2,986
QB Rating 66.0
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:19 am
Haha…R8eray…I had to do a double take…i thought you said he was the MVP of the DMAC bowl…
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:19 am
This is going to sound strange, but with this Raider team I really don’t think QB is a monster issue … Let’s face it, none of the three choices available are going to redefine the position … As I stated yesterday, the Raiders need to utilize a big O-line to take control of the line of scrimmage … Run early and often with DMac & throw some Bush at ‘em once in a while … The QB just needs to take care of the ball and use his brain in third down situations to keep the chains moving … This team is not good enough to throw 40-50 times per game
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:19 am
In 2004, Gradkowski passed for 3518 yards with 27 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. He was named MVP of the 2004 GMAC bowl.
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ray, while you’re at it post the college stats for JaWalrus…would ya?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:20 am
Has a home crowd ever cheered DDDAAANNNNNNNYYY!!!?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:21 am
Yeah, OK, RRS
But what has he done in a Raiders uniform?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:21 am
the Raiders need to utilize a big O-line to take control of the line of scrimmage … Run early and often with DMac & throw some Bush at ‘em once in a while … The QB just needs to take care of the ball and use his brain in third down situations to keep the chains moving … This team is not good enough to throw 40-50 times per game
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good post, ghost!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:21 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:19 am
In 2004, Gradkowski passed for 3518 yards with 27 touchdowns and 8 interceptions. He was named MVP of the 2004 GMAC bowl.
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ray, while you’re at it post the college stats for JaWalrus…would ya?
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that would only be the Sugar Bowl, right?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:21 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:45 am
BCZ: besides Oakland, what team would give up on thier brand new starting QB in less than 2 weeks?
Kerry Collins replaced Vince Young to provide a “spark” , is he thier starting QB the rest of the season?
the answer is NO
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Really? How about Buffalo, Carolina and Philadelphia?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:21 am
Has a home crowd ever cheered DDDAAANNNNNNNYYY!!!?
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intern is not a glamourous job
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 am
Sorry your right, TrenT Edwards wasnt the “brand new” starter…
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:23 am
Matt Moore & Kevin Kolb didn’t have injuries?
news to me, BCZ!
Trent Edwards gets benched every other game. thats the story of his career up to this point, surprised?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:23 am
I meant Wuerffel…
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:24 am
Sorry your right, TrenT Edwards wasnt the “brand new” starter
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Edwards, Moore & Kolb all spent last year with the same team
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:24 am
I never got to see Sunday’s game … Anybody know where to watch it for free? … NFL.com wants to charge $14.95 to see it (yea, right).
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:26 am
what has he done in a Raiders uniform?
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not much or else we wouldn’t have traded for JCamp and let Boller compete for the #2 job in training camp & preseason
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:27 am
that would only be the Sugar Bowl, right?
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LOL @ Hwnrdr
yeah, pretty much!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:28 am
What some of you Campbell supporters don’t seem to be noticing is that even when Campbell has sat back in the pocket with ample time to throw, he has not been accurate!
Week one he badly missed Murphy across the middle when he had time.
Last week he threw the int because he sailed the ball too high and long.
I haven’t seen the accuracy on the 25-35 yd passes down the field to keep him as the starter over Grads.
I just don’t see how this guy has earned the right to start right now.
Wins are hard to come by and with the AFC West still tight, and KC looking improved, we can’t afford to experiment at the QB position with the HOPE that Campbell can make it to the Emerald City of Oz and talk the Wizard into giving him some courage on the football field, and an accurate intermediate pass.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 am
One could also argue that Campbell has not been given much of a chance to get acclimated with the team and another new system!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:30 am
# ghosttothepost Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:24 am
I never got to see Sunday’s game … Anybody know where to watch it for free? … NFL.com wants to charge $14.95 to see it (yea, right).
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good luck… find a bar that has the ticket and when the rerun is on go up there and ask them to put it on..
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:30 am
Give Campbell a little time to get use to this new offense, players and a weak pass blocking o-line. Now o-line on the runs seems to be doing OK.
Be glad that Grads is right there use to coming off the bench with a I have nothing to loose type of attitude and make things happen.
I am actually glad we have the QB situation this year in comparison to the Russell I just barfed up my beer and hot wings days!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:31 am
All of this “we can always put Grads in at halftime” talk is nonsense. It assumes the Raiders can keep getting away with being ineffective for an entire half and simply turn on the magic Bruce Almighty switch.
Hate the break the news, but the Raiders might not be good enough to waste a half against other teams.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:32 am
# kidseven Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:31 am
All of this “we can always put Grads in at halftime” talk is nonsense. It assumes the Raiders can keep getting away with being ineffective for an entire half and simply turn on the magic Bruce Almighty switch.
Hate the break the news, but the Raiders might not be good enough to waste a half against other teams.
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Thanks for this post Kid. Spotting the other team 7+ point head start every week, and then seeing if Grads can come in and dig us out of a whole.
Sounds pretty idiotic to me.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:33 am
Didn’t Arizona try that one year….rotating QB?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:33 am
One thing I can say though….
Week one: I’m glad Campbell wasn’t benched for Grads becasue Grads would have gotten killed out there with the Titans D having a half step up on Mario and crew…and with JV at Center which I think was wrong to begin with…
Another thing…with JaWalrus in there…the score would have been 63-0!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:33 am
And Campbell would get “more time to get comfortable” if he’d earned it. If we traded for Peyton Manning, with his record of success, it would make sense to let him pay through just about anything. But JC’s spotty record over the last 6 years doesn’t warrant “giving him more time”–especially not after the last 7 Raider seasons.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:34 am
ArmChair … I agree. My first comment when watching Campbell in the opener is that he plays QB like Tinkerbelle. No huevos whatsoever … What’s Al’s fascination with this guy … Comparing him to Plunkett is ridiculous … Plunkett was a Heisman Trophy winner at Stanford, a real stud, who just happened to be drafted on a pathetic New England team where he never got a chance to shine … Campbell played on an average Redskins team and did not make them better … Campbell is, and always will be, and average QB
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:34 am
# r8eray Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 am
One could also argue that Campbell has not been given much of a chance to get acclimated with the team and another new system!
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And that’s exactly why he should not be the starter at this time. He should sit on the sidelines,learn the system, and gain confidence.
Grads who is healthy, knows the system, and has shown that he can WIN should start now.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:35 am
Kolb was the Brand New starter this year though… or did you miss the McNabb trade? Kolb is HEALTHY now and Vick has been named the starter indefinitely…
I hadnt heard about Moore being injured, but I know they said it was the coaches decision to start Clausen
Oh and I would venture to guess that Campbell has been benched more in his career than Edwards…
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:36 am
Campbell is, and always will be, and average QB
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so what is Gradkowski then?
above average? LOL!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:37 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:36 am
Campbell is, and always will be, and average QB
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so what is Gradkowski then?
above average? LOL!
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Average with some PEP!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:38 am
# hwnrdr Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:33 am
One thing I can say though….
Week one: I’m glad Campbell wasn’t benched for Grads becasue Grads would have gotten killed out there with the Titans D having a half step up on Mario and crew…and with JV at Center which I think was wrong to begin with…
Another thing…with JaWalrus in there…the score would have been 63-0!
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Not necessarily true. Remember Campbell had tendencies that were tipping off the snap count, and he was holding on to the ball too long, and that’s according to Tennessee players and coaches.
That’s where that half step that Tennessee was getting over us was coming from.
We can’t just forget about that, and act like it wasn’t a factor in Tennessee’s performance, when they came out themselves and said that it did.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:38 am
Spotty record this is Grads third team? I am not Grads hater but lets be honest. In every situation he has come off the bench. WHen he started in Tampa he was demoted. I think he is an underdog wonder, that is his game. But wuth this being said I would not be at a total loss if he sarted but come on he just beat the Rams. Campbell could have accomplished the same thing in the second half.
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kidseven Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:33 am
And Campbell would get “more time to get comfortable” if he’d earned it. If we traded for Peyton Manning, with his record of success, it would make sense to let him pay through just about anything. But JC’s spotty record over the last 6 years doesn’t warrant “giving him more time”–especially not after the last 7 Raider seasons.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:39 am
BCZ: as stated above, none of the 3 QB’s you mentioned are new to the team so your point becomes irrelevent unless of course you can try to convince everybody that JCamp was a Raider last year
I didn’t think so.
If you have a valid criticism of JCamp or endorsement for Grads I’ll be more than happy to listen (errr…read)
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:39 am
so what is Gradkowski then?
above average? LOL!
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Average with some PEP!
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He’s ketchup (catchup) with a kick!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:40 am
The intangibles are what make great QBs … Stabler was hardly ever pretty, but jeez he had something about him that you knew he was going to pull out a win … Plunkett had “it” too. Not pretty, but this iron will to win … Grads has shown that, too. But Campbell, not so much. I say go with Grads until he either gets hurt or proves he cannot be a full-time starter
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:40 am
What if we give Campbell 6 more weeks to “try and get acclimated” and he loses all 6 games. Seasons over, Campbells credibility is shot, another coach is gone… etc etc.
Call me crazy for wanting the more effective QB starting. In two quarters he got more production out of everyone around him than JC did in 6. Its ridiculous that this is even an argument.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:41 am
When exactly today is Cable announcing that Gradkowski is our new starter? Anyone know?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:41 am
Bruce Gradkowski played from 2006-Present
so far has played 5 years in the league with 4 different teams
Career stats as of today:
TD-INT 16-17
Passing yards 2,986
QB Rating 66.0
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why doesn’t anybody want to trade for this guy if he’s average or above average ???
wasn’t worth the 2nd round tender?
wasn’t worth the vet minimum the year before that?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 am
Diffrent situation they saw what Kolb could do when McNabb wasa out. In addition, to the fact that Vic can make some things happen with his feet that Kolb’s and Grads can’t do! Lightning reflex 4.4 speed his hard to reproduce.
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bcz24 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:35 am
Kolb was the Brand New starter this year though… or did you miss the McNabb trade? Kolb is HEALTHY now and Vick has been named the starter indefinitely…
I hadnt heard about Moore being injured, but I know they said it was the coaches decision to start Clausen
Oh and I would venture to guess that Campbell has been benched more in his career than Edwards…
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 am
so what is Gradkowski then?
above average? LOL!
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Average with some PEP!
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He’s ketchup (catchup) with a kick!
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The Polish “PEP” Gun!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 am
Newsflash people, the Redskins were not an average team.
They made the playoffs twice in the 5 years Campbell was there. JUST SO HAPPENED THE TWO YEARS HE EITHER DIDN’T PLAY OR FINISH THE SEASON.
As I score it, Redskins record when Campbell played, 17-34, Redskins record when he didn’t play, 17-12. And I think they will at least finish 9-7 this year.
This isn’t rocket science, the Redskins were brought down by Jason Campbell, and that’s why they ditched him. The Raiders were being brought down by Jason Campbell, and that’s why they benched him.
You people!!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 am
But RR, he has shown an ability to win lately … don’t forget, Stabler sat on the bench behind Lamonica for five years
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:43 am
Not that it’s a bad thing, but with Grads as QB there is all sorts of production out of the WR’s, bad news for my fantasy team as I have Zach Miller as my TE. He looks to be the missing guy. Is he being doubled?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:44 am
In two quarters he got more production out of everyone around him than JC did in 6.
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Grads didn’t play against the Titans Defense. he didn’t play against the Rams first half defense either before Cable made O-Line adjustments
where is Jhill and the propaganda police?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:44 am
JFB … you nailed it … campbell is not a winner … nobody is a worse judge of QBs than Al
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:45 am
I ll be glad the day Cable is gone winning season or not.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:46 am
Because they know he is a sand lot player that will win you a high light game or two but he has been unsbale to put together a whole season. But I am not hating on Grads he is one heck of a ball player and back up QB! When it is all said Campbell may be a back up as well. Teams just don’t hand you starting QBs in the NFL for nothing. If you thik Campbell is a brees or manning forget about it. You just hope they can be coached up and develop. I think with Grads style what you see is what you get.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:41 am
Bruce Gradkowski played from 2006-Present
so far has played 5 years in the league with 4 different teams
Career stats as of today:
TD-INT 16-17
Passing yards 2,986
QB Rating 66.0
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why doesn’t anybody want to trade for this guy if he’s average or above average ???
wasn’t worth the 2nd round tender?
wasn’t worth the vet minimum the year before that?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:46 am
nobody is a worse judge of QBs than Al
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who wrote a check for Gradkowski?
the same guy!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:47 am
He should have been gone last season. He s a scapegoating no true football game planning fool
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:47 am
With our line only slightly better at protecting the passer than the Eagles, and seeing how Mike Vick is tearing it up over in Philly, looking back we blew it not getting him. Him and Grads would have been a great combo of QB’s to have.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:48 am
RR .. I’m talking about frontline QBs … Al signed Grads as a back-up
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:49 am
We really don’t want to start a list of Al’s prized, can’t miss QBs, do we? Two words, JEFF GEORGE
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:50 am
Two more: MARC WILSON
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 am
I think this qualifies as more than two on sheer girth: JAMARCUS RUSSELL
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 am
seeing how Mike Vick is tearing it up over in Philly, looking back we blew it not getting him
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Agreed!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 am
Is anyone else going to be pumped up when we get Bush back in the fold? I would love to see a two headed monster of Bush and DMAC on the field at the same time.
The last time we had a really good RB rotation we went to the playoffs and the superbowl.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:52 am
TWO MORE: ROLANDO MCCLAIN
…sorry, wrong position
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:53 am
So far it is looking that way.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 am
seeing how Mike Vick is tearing it up over in Philly, looking back we blew it not getting him
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Agreed!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:53 am
Campbell is not a rookie. His ‘ceiling’ is based on height-weight-speed-arm strength.
He has reels and reels of film showcasing poor play.
He held the Redskins back for years.
They were happy to get rid of him.
Is this really a discussion?
The ‘QB controversy’ must then be based off of fear of Bruce’s pysical stature and supposed lack of arm strength far more than it could be an endorsement of Campbell’s talent.
Are people hoping he suddenly develops good decision-making and downfield accuracy? Sorry, Nation. Grads is the best QB on the roster by a grip.
We will all be disapointed if Campbell finishes out the season, even if some of us don’t know it yet.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:53 am
I trust that there was some good reason to keep Pears and Eugene over Brown, but I still don’t see it.
Does someone have a good x’s and o’s explanation why this makes sense?
I don’t get why you keep shuffling this guy to the practice squad when all he does is make plays.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:53 am
seeing how Mike Vick is tearing it up over in Philly, looking back we blew it not getting him
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No we didnt. Vick wasnt ready to play last year. He needed a year to sit behind a TRUE veteran presence in McNabb with a GOOD coach in Andy Reid. If Vick would have came here he would have been forced into starting way too soon and would never have gotten back to form.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:54 am
Is anyone else going to be pumped up when we get Bush back in the fold?
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roll with the hot hand.
keep Ron Dayne inactive one more week!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:54 am
RR … LOL
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 am
Was wondering….If Grads was black and Campbell was white. Would Mr. Pool write this crap?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:56 am
Trade for Kevin Kolb! That would really stir ish up here in Oakland!
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:56 am
# guest123 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:47 am
With our line only slightly better at protecting the passer than the Eagles, and seeing how Mike Vick is tearing it up over in Philly, looking back we blew it not getting him. Him and Grads would have been a great combo of QB’s to have.
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tell me about it
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:57 am
I live in Podunk and I can smell that Alameda racism from here … knock it off!
Jason Campbell is your starting QB, get over it
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:57 am
KD … why do we have to bring race into it?
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:57 am
I still find it absolutely HILARIOUS that you are dumping on RoMac after TRAINING CAMP as a ROOKIE on the worst run defense 7 years running, but Campbell has 50+ games under his belt and we arent giving him a chance. Define hypocrite for me Rock…
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:58 am
Trade for Kevin Kolb!
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Yes!
they can have Richard Seymour & Robert Gallery in exchange
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:58 am
Gradkowski=Doug Flutie
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:59 am
BCZ: Rolando McClain = Kirk Morrison
same player, different salary
if you can’t see that … sorry brah
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:00 am
A photo of Jason Campbell’s getting sacked with a suprised look on his face needs to be blown up over the motivational poster “Strive for mediocrity”
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:00 am
ghosttothepost Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:57 am
KD … why do we have to bring race into it?
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Gradkowski has a darker complexion than JC anyways…
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:01 am
Yea, we shouldn’t I guess. Its just so stupid to play a guy that doesn’t read the defense to well, holds the ball too long, and is inaccurate. Compared to another guy that has proven to be better in all faucets. Just frustrating I guess, and reaching for some reason.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:02 am
Raider75 … good comparison … kind of the same mettle between the two … Flutie, undersized and all, still knew how to win … Bruce has will to win, plus he’s 6-1 and 220 pounds
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:02 am
A photo of Jason Campbell’s getting sacked with a suprised look on his face needs to be blown up over the motivational poster “Fix the O-Line”
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:03 am
Sorry brah there is NO way you can make that comparison today AND tell me JC needs more time. Your argument doesnt hold water….
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:03 am
KD … frustrated as a Raiders fan … Well, slap a Ho! Hard to believe
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:03 am
But hey…I didn’t see Morrison body slam anyone…Rolando is stronger and bigger than Capt. Kirk…loved him in Oakland, but…
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:04 am
KD Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 am
Was wondering….If Grads was black and Campbell was white. Would Mr. Pool write this crap?
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Hold up… Gradkowski isn’t black?
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:04 am
McClain is solid! Jackson just ran for nothing and Johnson broke ONE run and got nothing. WTF!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:04 am
there is NO way you can make that comparison today
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you’re right
Jacksonville actually has a BETTER run defense than we do at this point. my mistake for being generous to the rookie
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:04 am
# ghosttothepost Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:02 am
Raider75 … good comparison … kind of the same mettle between the two … Flutie, undersized and all, still knew how to win … Bruce has will to win, plus he’s 6-1 and 220 pounds
………..
Also in the way they are perceived. No matter what Flutie did he was never perceived as a starting QB.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:04 am
I think McClain is an upgrade over Morrison. Not so much in his actual play, but he calls a tighter defense. I think that is also the product of having better talent around him, but he’s learning to be better. I agree, right now he can’t play any better than Kirk did last year. But he’s doing as well two games into his rookie year. He is only going to get better, and when he does, the comparison will be ludicrous.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:04 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:57 am
I live in Podunk and I can smell that Alameda racism from here … knock it off!
Jason Campbell is your starting QB, get over it
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I’m from East Oakland and I’m Black.
What does Campbell tipping off the snap count, throwing balls into the dirt when his first read isn’t there, missing wide open receivers, and sliding on his butt a yard short of the first down marker, have to do with racism?
I don’t care if Barney the purple dinosaur was our QB as long as he’s getting the job done. Campbell’s been effin up, and that’s the bottom line.
I know that racism is alive and well, but this ain’t an example of it.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:05 am
Rolando McClain has filled in as a rookie MLB, and elevated the overall defense rating from #24 to #11.
After next week, we will be a top 10 defense.
(BTW, The Jaquars are #29, off from #18 last year)
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:05 am
I believe Bruce might be of Polish decent
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:06 am
I didn’t see Morrison body slam anyone
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he’s smart enough not to commit stupid penalties or give the other team extra motivation to go down and score a TD
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:06 am
Re, racism… I don’t care if you’re a dog killer, axe murderer, whatever. Just get the job done. If it’s Barney the Dinosaur, and he can slide past the yellow line, he’s my man.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:05 am
Rolando McClain has filled in as a rookie MLB, and elevated the overall defense rating from #24 to #11.
After next week, we will be a top 10 defense.
(BTW, The Jaquars are #29, off from #18 last year)
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Thanks for sparing me the effort of looking this up.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:07 am
I don’t care if Barney the purple dinosaur was our QB as long as he’s getting the job done.
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trade Bruce for Barney?
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:08 am
So, the majority vote in here is keep Grads in as QB … run the ball more … and play hella defense … works for me … speaking of works, gotta go … good conversation today boys … Raiders4life
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:09 am
Jacksonville also hasnt faced the top 2 running backs in the NFL last year in consecutive weeks…
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:09 am
McClain > Morrison Easy thing to see!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:10 am
Dear Al,
Marcus McNeil, please.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:10 am
I want to see how Campbell responds to this lesson. He hasn’t dealt with this situation yet in his career and it may be just what he needs. He should be given a shot to play if he practices well, but maybe not this week.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:11 am
Post 297…exactlly
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:11 am
A MLB that is probably 6′5″ 255 slammed a little white receiver that is probably 5′10″ 175 lbs doesn’t scream stud to me. sorry
try slamming a guy like Steven Jackson – that might earn you some respect, even if it was a friggin dumb thing to do in the 1st place
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:11 am
Well I am sorry to hear that Stevie “Wonder” Brown got cut again, but he already cleared waivers once, so hopefully he can do it again. It sounds like Pears is coming back, but maybe, just maybe they found some useful O-lineman somewhere.
Campbell gets the start in Arizona, in my humble opinion. If he struggles, Gradkowski will still be there as an emergency option off the bench. The team is still behind Campbell, and maybe if the play-calling is dialed back a bit, with more mid-range routes and less 7 step drops, he can make the same kind of plays that Gradkowski did.
This is Campbell’s last chance to make a statement; a two game home stand against Houston and the Bolts follows, and if Campbell still looks lost, Cable can’t play him in what has become a hostile home environment.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:13 am
Campbell gets the start in Arizona, in my humble opinion. If he struggles, Gradkowski will still be there as an emergency option off the bench. The team is still behind Campbell, and maybe if the play-calling is dialed back a bit, with more mid-range routes and less 7 step drops, he can make the same kind of plays that Gradkowski did.
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BBB = voice of reason?
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:15 am
good morning nation,
sll this speculation about grads, campbell…. if we don’t get a line that can block it won’t matter who plays QB….campbell is more pocket passer than grads.. both are journeymen, their stats are close, most here are using intangibles to choose one or the other…i think the line is the problem.. isn’t cable supposed to be the o-line guru?? why hasn’t he fixed it in all his tenure???Qb is one of the bright spots on our roster this year we have three that can play…fix the o-line….
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 am
Steven Jackson 75 yards rushing = respect
C. Johnson 26 carries for 62 yards
C. Johnson 1 carry 79 yards (Branch missed tackle)
That is whats earning him respect!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 am
You cant win games in the NFL with short check downs to your WR’s at the line and wheel routes to your TE’s all the time. You need to go down field and do it effectively from time to time. What NFL contenders fail at the WR position? They all have studs, because the QB gets challenges the defense.
Bruce Almighty challenges the defense in a way that JC can’t. JC needs to study up and be a clipboard holder and keep his head in the game, studying with Hue Jackson like Charlie Frye would have done if he still were on the team.
We need to roll with Grads till the wheels fall off, and hope we are still in contention and that our top 10 defense can carry us to a wildcard. If/when Grads gets hurt, season is over. Unless he can somehow be a game manager and the defense evolves into something like Pittsburghs defense.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:18 am
r8rwill Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:15 am
good morning nation,
sll this speculation about grads, campbell…. if we don’t get a line that can block it won’t matter who plays QB….
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And this my friends…is the bottom line.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:18 am
Campbell has a greater chance of being the #3 than starting this weekend.
Cable said that they couldn’t call the shorter pass routes for Campbell because he wasn’t processing them quick enough, and that they had to give him the Jamarcus treatment and shorten the playbook for him.
His words not mine.
Hue Jackson must have been pleased as punch to be able to use his whole playbook.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:18 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:06 am
I didn’t see Morrison body slam anyone
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he’s smart enough not to commit stupid penalties or give the other team extra motivation to go down and score a TD
I know…it was a stupid penalty but I think it was also a statement…that he’s THERE! That was a 15 yarder that the crowd was happy to take!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:19 am
So through 2 games the Raiders against CJ2K, Steven Jackson and Vince Young have averaged 4.7ypc allowed, Jacksonville against a second year back in Moreno and a rookie in Matthews and no tangible runner at the QB are averaging 4.4ypc through 2 games.
So yeah the Raiders did get gouched in the first game, and showed DRASTIC improvement in the second and their just about equal with Jax… So Romac as a 2 game rookie is equal to Morrison. But I could see how he would NEVER grow as NFL player
Meanwhile Jason Campbell is absolutely going to be the next Tom Brady… he just needs more time.. (cus 50+ starts werent enough yet)
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 am
he’s smart enough not to commit stupid penalties or give the other team extra motivation to go down and score a TD
I know…it was a stupid penalty but I think it was also a statement…that he’s THERE! That was a 15 yarder that the crowd was happy to take!
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that body slam was just plain stupid. If it cost us the game, I’d like to see the faces of the idiots that cheered for that BS suplex move. RoMac deserves a fine from the NFL for that.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 am
The line is ragtag, I agree. Gallery is way over-rated, Henderson stinks, Langston Walker??? Really???
But the fact remains that they didn’t give up a sack in the 2nd half, and they just helped Darren McFadden to 150 yards rushing. I more than anyone want to see this line upgraded with some blue chips, but they aren’t as bad as advertised, and whomever the starter is, needs to work with what he is given. I don’t buy this crap that Campbell would be much better with a decent line. This is the Raiders line, period. Upgrading this line with draft picks, will take at least 2 to 3 years of development time, etc. So the QB needs to win, with these guys in 2010.
If Campbell can succeed with these guys, I am all for him, otherwise Gradkowski will be the starter eventually.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 am
You guys that keep bringing up Grads career stats and the fact that he is a castoff crack me up. All he does for the Raiders is make plays and win games. You guys are a bunch of Al Davis apple-polishers willing to ride the potential of your big “strong armed” QB all the way into the grave. And you cry about scholarship players? What has Bruce done that should keep him from starting?
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:21 am
BTW… based on yards allowed, the RAIDERS are ranked 9th overall Jacksonville is 29th. So what was that you were saying about the guy who runs each Defense?
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:21 am
Grads gets the ball out a lot sooner than Campbell, easier to block for him. And he moves better, knows where his receivers are, understands what formations the team is supposed to be in. He is closer to Brees than Flutie.
Also 4 and 1 while with the Raiders.
Grads starts this Sunday, finishes the season unless gets hurt.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:21 am
my take from sunday, the d-line is good.. big john plays well.. where was t scott? mclain will be the shizzz.. why can’t seymour play end? as someone on here said, like reggie white??? wimbley comes to play… our line backers are head and shoulders over last years crew..
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:23 am
Kind of a funny notion that the #3 ranked rushing offense in the NFL has a terrible O-line.
Pass-protection needs to improve no doubt, but didn’t seem to be much of an issue once we switched the QB.
Zero sacks are zero sacks. Jamarcus was sacked more in that one half against Washington, than Bruce was in a month.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 am
Start Grad for the rest of the year and then draft Andrew Luck next draft
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 am
I did say top 12 defense!!
Go Raiders!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:25 am
Bruce is by far the leader of this offense…
He’s also the best option we have to be successful right now…he’s got to be the stater on Sunday!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:26 am
The Judge Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 am
Start Grad for the rest of the year and then draft Andrew Luck next draft
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Yeah cuz Andrew Luck will be available in the 2nd round…
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:26 am
Really…I don’t think he would have done it if the Rams were on a drive that could have won it…if he did, then that would have deserved the same treatment as Sapp doing the same thing and the crowd screaming how stupid it was. But its ok, because he was a veteran doing that…
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:28 am
Campbell:
1) tips his shoulders before the snap, tipping off the
snap count
2) can’t line up his team on 4th and one
3) throws nothing but checkdowns, easily confused by the defense, gives up on play after primary & secondary read are covered
4) gets happy feet in the huddle and scrambles short of the marker, gives up possession without trying for the extra yard, “oh well, punt it”
5) all of guys in the huddle have hands on hips and the feel is of defeat. They know that it will end bad.
6) can’t read defenses to save his skin, slow, plodding decision making.
Grads:
1) Leader of Men
nuff said
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:30 am
I think I’m starting to see that many of the fans here are more interested in the overall storyline and the Harbor Bay Parkway soap opera than they are in actually winning. How else do you justify calls to start Jason Plunkett?
Did you see him drop to his knees shy of the 1st down marker? Have you watched him take sacks and fumble repeatedly? Have you seen him throw the ball into the dirt with no defenders around? And you’re going to tell me he rolls over before the first down mark because he’s not familiar with the system or that Hue isn’t giving him good plays to work with? Fools.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:31 am
Start Bruce against AZ!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:32 am
I can’t understand all the hate on McClain in here. The guy just played his SECOND game in the league. I think too many people thought we were drafting Ray Lewis (who by the way was not setting the NFL on fire until after his crew shanked a guy). So far he has been solid, but not spectacular, and never blatantly out of place or missing a tackle. Everyone complains that he is not physical enough, but when he body slams a reciever, you guys turn up your nose, because it was a little guy and resulted in a penalty. The kid is a rookie, calling the defense, learning the speed, still thinking before and after the snap, and still trying to assert himself on the opposing offense.
Eventually he will make some big hits, but in the meantime can’t you people just enjoy some technically sound defensive football? This kid is gonna be the cornerstone of our defense for years, he can only get better from here.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:33 am
LMAO @ Jason Plunkett
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:33 am
The biggest argument I see on the Jason Campbell supporters here is that “He was brought in to be the starter.”.
Honestly, who gives a crap what he was brought in to be. We brought in many people to be starters and way overpaid for them in past years and played them longer than they should have been played.
The only time we won was to play the ones who gave us the best chance to win the next game.
Can anyone honestly say that Jason Campbell looked better than Grads during the Pre season or regular season games? Or that based on performance, Campbell gives us the best chance to win next week?
I don’t think that Campbell gives us the best chance to win next week. So why the heck should we start him???
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:34 am
Just win some f-ing games!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:34 am
Naw Kidseven….only one or two want Campbell. The rest want to win. I want grads by far.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:34 am
BBB,
There is not a lot of hate on McClain, just one guy in Podunk with a man crush on Kirk Morrison.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:35 am
The Judge Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 am
Start Grad for the rest of the year and then draft Andrew Luck next draft
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I doubt Luck will slide to round 2, which is where we would have to draft him since we gave our 1st rounder to NE for Seymour.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am
I don’t hate McClain,
But that suplex hit was garbage. He cant play like that and last for long in today’s NFL. It pretty much game the Rams 7 points. It’s absolutely not tolerable. Coaching staff needs to chew him a new one, and then make the entire team do double suicides and point at him for the reason, just to get everyone else pissed at him.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am
Campbell hasnt had a shot to prove himself yet guys. CAMPBELL MUST START…
Romac has had PLENTY of chances… cut that bum.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am
Grads won one for us Dakota.
No hating on McClain from me BART.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am
Hey BART!!!
Thank you! My point exactly!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:38 am
KD Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am
Grads won one for us Dakota.
No hating on McClain from me BART.
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McFadden won that game…Grads completed 50% of his passes.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:39 am
Bcz24 is messing with us…its a joke guys, like Maddenraider.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:39 am
# kidseven Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:30 am
I think I’m starting to see that many of the fans here are more interested in the overall storyline and the Harbor Bay Parkway soap opera than they are in actually winning. How else do you justify calls to start Jason Plunkett?
Did you see him drop to his knees shy of the 1st down marker? Have you watched him take sacks and fumble repeatedly? Have you seen him throw the ball into the dirt with no defenders around? And you’re going to tell me he rolls over before the first down mark because he’s not familiar with the system or that Hue isn’t giving him good plays to work with? Fools.
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hahahahahahahahahahaha!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:39 am
it was a stupid penalty but I think it was also a statement…that he’s THERE!
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the only time you noticed RoBust on the field was when he was flagged for a 15 yard penalty?
Top 10 pick obviously isn’t producing much on the field then!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 am
# kidseven Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:30 am
I think I’m starting to see that many of the fans here are more interested in the overall storyline and the Harbor Bay Parkway soap opera than they are in actually winning. How else do you justify calls to start Jason Plunkett?
Did you see him drop to his knees shy of the 1st down marker? Have you watched him take sacks and fumble repeatedly? Have you seen him throw the ball into the dirt with no defenders around? And you’re going to tell me he rolls over before the first down mark because he’s not familiar with the system or that Hue isn’t giving him good plays to work with? Fools.
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I keep thinking these people must not have actually watched the game and only looked at the ’stats’ afterwards. Jason Campbell somehow has descent completion %, but looks horrible doing it and doens’t move the offense with many completions short of the 1st down marker resulting in punts.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 am
kidseven Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 am
You guys that keep bringing up Grads career stats and the fact that he is a castoff crack me up. All he does for the Raiders is make plays and win games. You guys are a bunch of Al Davis apple-polishers willing to ride the potential of your big “strong armed” QB all the way into the grave. And you cry about scholarship players? What has Bruce done that should keep him from starting?
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Grads has won 4 games for the raiders and only 2 as a starter. He has never had a win streak in a raiders uni and has only 3 for his career. Ask any expert or anyone that knows jack squat about football and they will tell you that the game will be totally different when they gameplan for grads. Perfect examples of this are Kevin Kolb, Shaun Hill, JT O’sullivan who all had great games in relief duty but couldn’t handle a defnse when they had some film on them in the reg. season and gameplanned for them. Teams will pinch Grads on the edges and make him stay in the pocket and get hands up to deflect every pass. The corners wont be giving up those easy sideline routes either and they may even spy him with a LB. They may just play zone and try to force him to make throws that his arm can’t make all of the time. I hope if Grads is named the starter that he is ready for the challenge. In ‘zona he should be fine as long as he stays away from DRC, but the texans are going to hit him and hit him hard. The real Super Mario and Ryans are two people that Grads does not want to meet.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 am
No Im not… I am pointing out EXACTLY what rock is saying.
Its very clear I am in support of Grads and Romac.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 am
Bcz24 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am
Campbell hasnt had a shot to prove himself yet guys. CAMPBELL MUST START…
Romac has had PLENTY of chances… cut that bum.
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Village idiot.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:41 am
Grads is 4 and 1 when he has gotten on the field for the Raiders Dakota…call it what you want. The guy gets W’s!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:41 am
If Grads can hit on one early long pass to Murphy, watch the running lanes open up for McFadden. Then it is gonna be ground and pound + killer defense = Raiders record of 2-1.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am
I am not pointing any fingers, just saying, we have waited 2 years for McFadden to produce anything approaching his potential; JaMarcus never even approached 7th round potential; Michael Huff has taken 4 years to reach half of his potential. Then you have McClain who is already playing up to his potential after two games, and I see comments in hear constantly about what a bum he is, etc. He got one lousy penalty in the game, which was probably not his best moment, but don’t let that cloud the fact that he is playing superb football as a rookie MLB.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am
Grads….hmmmm,
Won the Bungholes game thanks to the Bungholes dropping a kick and an easy INT.
Won the Steelers game thanks to DBs dropping a couple of easy ints.
Won the Rams game thanks to McFadden and a stupid penalty on the Rams.
Color me impressed!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am
Who cares about completion % and stats!!!
Points scored, and wins and losses are the only two things that any QB should be valued upon.
Prior to Rich Gannon, Jeff George’s 1998 season was the statistical best season of any Raider QB. EVER!!! 63% 29 TD’s 9 ints…………….4-12.
And he was a big part of the problem, as obvious by the immediate improvement once Gannon got in.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:43 am
BART Bridge Blues Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:42
He got one lousy penalty in the game, which was probably not his best moment,
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Wrong, that was a great moment for him. This isn’t the damn ballet fellas. He’s got that F-U attitude and I hope it rubs off on the rest of the D.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:44 am
A wins a win is a win….
dont give a f@#k how we win.
color me impressed.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 am
Dakota…really? So you want Campbell?
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 am
# bcz24 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am
Campbell hasnt had a shot to prove himself yet guys. CAMPBELL MUST START…
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Based on what exactly should we give Campbell more of a chance to “prove himself”?????
Do you honestly think playing him next week gives us the best chance to win the game???????
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 am
Dakota,
DB’s drop INT’s every game, every week, as evidenced by your post.
Rams dropped a couple, one by Jason one by Bruce.
Part of the game, DB’s not being able to catch anything. That’s why you take chances down the field, a way higher chance of a PI call than a DB INT.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 am
Dakota: quit being so negative!
the Raider are gonna ride an injury prone Gradkowski and his 50 percent completion percentage all the way to the playoffs.
Who cares what Al Davis has to say about spending $7.5 million on a guy and only giving him 1.5 starts ???
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 am
morilla Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 am
Bcz24 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am
Campbell hasnt had a shot to prove himself yet guys. CAMPBELL MUST START…
Romac has had PLENTY of chances… cut that bum.
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Village idiot.
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Since you obviously did NOT read back through earlier posts… that was total SARCASM. Thank you have a nice day.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:47 am
Hey Dakota, can you tell what the other team did wrong when Campbell gave us the lead this year?
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:47 am
Rockstar…
Not the point I was making…but…
You know, I know you have a reason for being hard on all of our 1st rounders as we all should. but being a rookie…he’s not doing that bad…Pat Willis got run over by all people…LaMont Jordan his rookie year…
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
Color me impressed!
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Opening box of crayons, choosing one labeled “South Dakota pale”…
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
How long are we supposed to wait and give Campbell his chance?
0-4?
0-6?
Win now!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
Who cares what Al Davis has to say about spending $7.5 million on a guy and only giving him 1.5 starts ???
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1. Jason got 2 starts. He STARTED both games.
2. Lets give him another chance since we spent 7.5mil on him
Spent 29 million on Romac… definitely CUT him….
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
KD Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 am
Dakota…really? So you want Campbell?
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I want a legit QB. Is that Campbell? I don’t know yet, but I do know that Garbagekowski will never lead us to the promised land. I am not short-sighted. I don’t get all excited when we beat a piss-poor team….at home. We need a new QB (maybe that will be Campbell, but probably not) and a new HC. Until then we are just wasting our time even thinking about being contenders.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
Who cares what Al Davis has to say about spending $7.5 million on a guy and only giving him 1.5 starts ???
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$4.5 million of that is not guaranteed, according to Jerry’s chat yesterday.
Wise-up would you!!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
@ 51.
How is Grads supposed to get win streaks when he isn’t given the chance? That point makes no sense. Not to mention this team has been so bad even the real JC might not have put too many victories together.
And the notion that the Lambs had gameplanned for Jason Plunkett but were somehow befuddled by and unable to adapt to Bruce is just silly. I seem to remember Pittsburgh having a little trouble with Grads too.
So I guess to follow your logic, since Bruce did well against a team that wasn’t expecting him, it makes more sense to start a QB that did sh#t against a team that WAS expecting him. Brilliant. When are you due back at the laboratory?
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:49 am
How anyone could think that Campbell has outperformed Sparkowski defies logic.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 am
Bcz24 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 am
Since you obviously did NOT read back through earlier posts… that was total SARCASM. Thank you have a nice day.
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My apologies, just stepped in. And no coffee yet.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 am
weaselbit Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
How long are we supposed to wait and give Campbell his chance?
0-4?
0-6?
Win now!
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I’ll bet you like Tom Cable though don’t you? How many chances have you given him?
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 am
personally I agree Morilla. The NFL tries too hard to protect offensive players, and stunt defenses. He made a physical play, that probably lingered in the mind of the Rams afterwards. It is unfortunate that he did it to a dimunitive WR and it cost us 15 yards, but you know what, next time it might be slamming a big HB to the ground in the backfield to prevent a first down conversion. You can’t pick and choose the moments of physicality from LB’s, just gotta roll with it.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 am
Spent 29 million on Romac
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Who ???
the only time YOU PEOPLE saw that guy make a play in the first 2 weeks, it was a 15 yard penalty
Color me impressed!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 am
People that are saying that Grads has less time ih Hue’s system are either lying or they don’t understand football and misinterpreted what Cable said. Tom Cable said that Campbell up to this point had more WORK in this system, the key word being work. Hue was hired in late jan. meaning that Grads, Russell, and Frye all should have had some sort of playbook, even if it was a starter version, by the 1st week of Feb. Russell’s is likely sitting in an Alabama landfill, or propping up a relatives coffe table or chair leg. Jason didnt arrive until the last days of April giving Grads a near 3 month advantage in terms of learning the Hue’s system. Jason did get more WORK in the system on field, but Grads had been LEARNING the system for nearly 3 months.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:52 am
Make your Christmas list for next April’s draft…we need this, we need that, we need a new coach, new QB…
I am all about the here and now. No one is promised the day after tommorow. The here and now is Grads and Campbell. These are our guys. We gotta try to make lemonade here.
I don’t get the reason behind pouting about what we don’t have. Lets get jacked up for what we have. If you want to get behind a superbowl contender, then just swtich teams. Being a Raider fan isn’t for you.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:52 am
KD Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:47 am
Hey Dakota, can you tell what the other team did wrong when Campbell gave us the lead this year?
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Please don’t confuse insults to Garbagekowski as an endorsement of Campbell. The most I have ever said in favor of Campbell is that he can’t be worse than Russell.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am
McClain has been flying all over the place. He looks good, yeah he had a couple of blown assignments but what the F-k do you expect?
Lay off of him FFS. He is a rookie, what do you want? You want Ray Lewis right out of the blocks? He is going to be a good player with experience.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am
If you want to get behind a superbowl contender, then just swtich teams. Being a Raider fan isn’t for you
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Agreed!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am
McClain is the best MLB we had in years!
You People make me sick!
McClain brings pain!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am
Dakota..totally don’t agree. Campbell is not very good…really. He watches his receivers then checks down from there. Grads watches the defense and throws it where they are not. He has a good enough arm, and thinks very very quick. He is built like Drew Brees, who many didn’t think was anything until he got his shot. I wanted us to pick him up before the Saints. Grads will raise our game, you watch.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:55 am
Dakota. I am totally with you. I want to win. If they redraft jamarcus russell and pay him 200 million a year and we win the super bowl I will be exstatic. I dont care who takes the snaps if there is a W at the end of the day. Gradkowski clearly gives a better shot at winning TODAY. He should be starting because of it. If he falters then we go back to Campbell. Maybe in 6-8 weeks JC will be comfortable with the roster and playbook and will look much better. I dont know. All I know is that for the game against Arizona BG gives us the best chance to win and should start!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:55 am
He is a rookie, what do you want? You want Ray Lewis right out of the blocks? He is going to be a good player with experience
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nobody gave Heyward-Bey a pass, did they?
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:56 am
McClain brings pain!!
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painful to watch those 15 yard penalties that lead to scores, maybe
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:56 am
McClain > Kirk.
Go Aztecs!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:56 am
The most I have ever said in favor of Campbell is that he can’t be worse than Russell.
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He is giving it one helluva of a good run for his money.
I honestly think Jamarcus had a better week 1 last year, against a better team, and while he should have been, wasn’t benched at halftime week 1.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:57 am
# Dakota Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:52 am
KD Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:47 am
Hey Dakota, can you tell what the other team did wrong when Campbell gave us the lead this year?
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Please don’t confuse insults to Garbagekowski as an endorsement of Campbell. The most I have ever said in favor of Campbell is that he can’t be worse than Russell.
O.K…..point taken
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:58 am
*week 2 I should have said
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:58 am
nobody gave Heyward-Bey a pass, did they?
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Agreed, but then RoMac was a consensus top 10 pick on all the draft boards regardless of who took him. Only Crazy Al would reach for someone who should have fallen to the back of the first round.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:58 am
RR,
Stop hating on the kid. He is a great talent, so get over it!
Don’t get me started on JLH.
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 am
Jason Campbell is the most talented QB on the roster
he should start. period
if you guys don’t like it, too bad.
we didn’t draft a QB, we traded for one.
if Al Davis isn’t pleased, we’ll find another guy next offseason. you’re seriously delusional if you don’t think he’ll be given every opportunity
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 am
guest123 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:52 am
Make your Christmas list for next April’s draft…we need this, we need that, we need a new coach, new QB…
I am all about the here and now. No one is promised the day after tommorow. The here and now is Grads and Campbell. These are our guys. We gotta try to make lemonade here.
I don’t get the reason behind pouting about what we don’t have. Lets get jacked up for what we have. If you want to get behind a superbowl contender, then just swtich teams. Being a Raider fan isn’t for you.
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This has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read. Switch teams if you want a SB contender? LMAO Is that what the Raiders have devolved into? A team where the fans should not expect us to compete for SBs? Being a Raiders fan isn’t about buying into The Commitment to Excellence? You must be a converted Lions fan or something bro. Sad.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am
kidseven Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
@ 51.
How is Grads supposed to get win streaks when he isn’t given the chance? That point makes no sense. Not to mention this team has been so bad even the real JC might not have put too many victories together.
And the notion that the Lambs had gameplanned for Jason Plunkett but were somehow befuddled by and unable to adapt to Bruce is just silly. I seem to remember Pittsburgh having a little trouble with Grads too.
So I guess to follow your logic, since Bruce did well against a team that wasn’t expecting him, it makes more sense to start a QB that did sh#t against a team that WAS expecting him. Brilliant. When are you due back at the laboratory?
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Bruce had several oppurtunities to have a streak of wins, like last year when he didnt accomplish it. Yes if a team prepared for a traditional dropback QB and get a scrambler, they are going to be confused. it means 11 guys have to forget what they planned for and get back on the same page for a player that is totally different. We also adjusted what we did in the first half, we ran the ball more and we got the pass out quick. Also if you noticed we stopped sending so many receivers over the middle and we were working the sideline to hashmark area. My plan is to play the guy who was named the starter, not yanking him after a 1 1/2 games.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am
Don’t get me started on JLH.
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he looked good last week, didn’t he?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 am
Jason Campbell is the most talented QB on the roster
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I don’t care if he’s the most talented, best looking, fastest, can carry a tune in the shower better….
I only care about WINNING!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am
Jamarcus Russell was the “most talented” QB on the roster. What the fck did that mean for us really…
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 am
G, I don’t care about draft boards
for all we know Murphy could be better than DHB and Goethel could be better than RoBust!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:02 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am
Don’t get me started on JLH.
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he looked good last week, didn’t he?
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He had 1 53yd pt return and then was completely invisible for the rest of the game… yeah he looked freakin great.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:02 am
So I guess to follow your logic, since Bruce did well against a team that wasn’t expecting him, it makes more sense to start a QB that did sh#t against a team that WAS expecting him. Brilliant. When are you due back at the laboratory?
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This part also makes zero sense….its harder to have a good game against someone that is expecting you. You do realize that, right?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 am
This has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read. Switch teams if you want a SB contender? LMAO Is that what the Raiders have devolved into? A team where the fans should not expect us to compete for SBs? Being a Raiders fan isn’t about buying into The Commitment to Excellence? You must be a converted Lions fan or something bro. Sad.
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No Bro…
been a Raider fan prob. longer than you’ve been out of diapers. I dont care about being a front-runner, bandwagon fan.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 am
you guys are gonna hate on all my favorite players?
you better get started on McFadden, Heyward-Bey & Huff!
bwahahahahaha
Good Luck
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 am
Drive five hours round trip to keep my 15years of season ticket holding streak alive. Grew 10 mins from Oakland and moved but still make the games. Believe Grads can be our next Gannon or even better, Oakland’s version of Brees. Riding with that until loses prove me wrong!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 am
lunchtime, see ya later…
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 am
bcz24 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 am
Jamarcus Russell was the “most talented” QB on the roster. What the fck did that mean for us really…
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Talent with out work ethic gets you exposed and cut.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 am
Campbell is more talented, but Bruce is playing better.
Bruce:
1- the team loves him, and they play for him.
2- he gets are WRs involved
3- He makes more plays with his arm and legs.
4- he is faster than JC to read and react to a defense.
5- He is a fighter, and people/ players respect that.
Should we start players based on Salary and ability, or should we start them based on how they play?!?!
Start Bruce!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 am
all of mcfaddens ytardage came from running outside..he can’t run inside because the o-line can’t block.. when we get a line it won’t matter who plays QB RB or WR….campbell drove the team to the one yard line on the opening drive..we couldn’t punch the ball in.. it happened a couple of times sunday… o-line o-line o-line.. it is the problem… if we had a line we wouldn’t be having this discussion
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 am
“My plan is to play the guy who was named the starter, not yanking him after a 1 1/2 games.”
I understand your point. I can only ask: How has that worked for you in the past?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 am
you guys are gonna hate on all my favorite players?
you better get started on McFadden, Heyward-Bey & Huff!
bwahahahahaha
Good Luck
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Crazy thing is that those are my favorite players too….i also pull for JLH
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 am
guest123 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 am
This has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read. Switch teams if you want a SB contender? LMAO Is that what the Raiders have devolved into? A team where the fans should not expect us to compete for SBs? Being a Raiders fan isn’t about buying into The Commitment to Excellence? You must be a converted Lions fan or something bro. Sad.
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No Bro…
been a Raider fan prob. longer than you’ve been out of diapers. I dont care about being a front-runner, bandwagon fan.
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I am a 25 year Raiders fan. How could I possibly be a front-runner bandwagon fan you f-ing idiot?
Sorry I have high expectations for the team and you are happy as a pig in schyt with a loser QB and a loser HC.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 am
I guess we will have to agree to disagree RRS. But I think your hate for McClain and/or love of Morrison is clouding your judgement. Either way RoBust is a pretty awesome nickname, it works on so many levels. However he is far from a bust after two games, very far from a bust. Especially on a team that has manufactured draft busts like clockwork for years.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 am
Does JLH have a catch yet this year?
And in as far as “Talent”, which seems to get muddled as only size and arm strength in here (footwork, pocket presence, accuracy, leadership, and game savy seem to have no part of this equation), I would argue that Kyle Boller would than be the most “talented”.
He has the strongest arm of the three, without question.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 am
JLH is playing better than last season, but he needs to be more involved in the passing game, and make more plays on STs.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 am
A Raider QB controversy is real refreshing. At least we have some QB’s, that can play the position, there was no comparisons the last few years, there was no controversy, we were stuck.
You younger guys, have many great comments, and analysis on each player, Grads and JC. You can compare to other QB’S and split hairs on all things, as you wish.
I have been thru this before with , Mark Wilson era, Schroeder era, and Plunkett and Pastorini.
My opinion, and I noticed, of all the situations of any QB controversy, including this one is “who do the players trust”.
Laugh all you want, this is a key point. Of all the QB’S mentioned, the players in every era trusted, the Qb and played harder for him.
I see the players with no trust for Wilson, none for Pastorini and you always see a difference on the field.
Plunkett just gave you hope and Stabler had that trust, and the Raiders just felt more comfortable with Schroeder over Wilson.
My sense on this past sunday was, Grads lifted with his trust the whole team, besides his play.
The stadium lit up, the bench lit up and there was a calmness, that he was going to get us a win.
I know this comment is unfair to you JC fans, he hasn’t had the time to develop trust, and that is his only problem, I see as a cause for his difficult play so far.
Trust is important, the WR’S know the ball will be there if there open, the line knows Grads will cover there mistake with a roll out, run or quick release, their are intangibles Grads has, that are just real important right now for this team.
I still think JC has the make up to lead this team, I just know, until our offensive line play is improved, he will have a difficult time.
I also know JC, has been with 10 different offensive coordinators, and probably needs to settle in and get comfortable. Finally, those of you who insist, JC has no fire, look no further than Ken Stabler. Stabler was by no means, a firey QB, he just played to his best on Sundays and delivered, that’s how you build trust.
So you young Raider Nation guys, have fun with your era QB controversy, and let’s see what happens.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 am
What has Grads ever done for our team except lead us to wins? Why do so many people care about other things?
Why EXACTLY should we play Campbell (aside from we just paid a lot of money to him)?
Because he’s more “protypical”? Like Grads is only 6′1 so we couldn’t win with him? Or I’ve seen “Arm strength” as the reason. Those are the only two knocks I can think against Grads. I can’t remember a “strong armed” QB that we’ve won with in the last 10-15 years. Our team isn’t built for it. And Grads can make the throws that count.
Grads reads defenses better
Grads gets rid of the ball faster
Grads is better at evading the rush
Grads spreads the ball around to his WRs. (almost the same difference looking at when Grads came in for Jamarcus…suddenly the receivers could catch and make plays whereas before they “were never open”).
Where do you see Campbell being better exactly?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 am
How can you not like McClain?! He is a ROOKIE, and he is playing very well!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:11 am
r8rwill Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 am
all of mcfaddens ytardage came from running outside..he can’t run inside because the o-line can’t block
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McFadden’s longest gain on the day was a run right behind the center, when he made the LB miss, and ran for 20+ yards.
Then on 1st down with three minutes to go, he bulls for 12 yards, right up the middle with 9 guys in the box to ice the game.
Did you watch the game? It has been a great blend of tough inside runs and well-timed tosses to the outside for Darren. Firing on all cyclinders.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 am
OK, how about this… Start Campbell against AZ. Let him have the whole game, if and when he lays the eggs he has been laying bench him. Permanently. Hold a press conference stating that Bruce Almighty is the Raiders starting QB. Sh-t, I say make him 3rd string. I feel more comfortable with Kyle as the #2 anyways.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 am
Thank you Raider Dell, not too much of a young buck here, but totally agree with your voice of reason.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 am
I think Grads is more similar to Hostetler than he is Gannon.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 am
I dont care about the QB musical chairs. We can rotate them every series all I care as long as we win. We can go like Basketball and go with whoever has the hot hand for the day. Just Win Baby!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am
Can someone who has the game recorded please look at a few things for me? Look at the number of red zone trips that each Raider QB had and what kept them from being scores if we did not score. Also look at the times DHB was interfered with, i know one was on a long Campbell pass. Also look at the passing attack and the routes that the WR are running, i remember us working the sideline more and using a lot more short routes. It would be much appreciated
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am
Raider O Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 am
How can you not like McClain?!
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He is taking RMR’s lead and just trying to provoke.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 am
When Cable announces the benching of Campbell as permanent today, what is the over/under on how many days until Campbell leaks that he wants to be traded?
According to Jerry’s chat, Campbell was being “talked off the ledge” in a private area in the lockerroom by Nnamdi.
So basically the lockerroom is hyped, guys excited for the win, and poor Jason Campbell has his panties in bunch, being high manintance sniveling in the corner.
The guy is pure, 100% bizznatch.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 am
I hope not BO!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 am
severeraiderz Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am
Can someone who has the game recorded please look at a few things for me? Look at the number of red zone trips that each Raider QB had and what kept them from being scores if we did not score. Also look at the times DHB was interfered with, i know one was on a long Campbell pass. Also look at the passing attack and the routes that the WR are running, i remember us working the sideline more and using a lot more short routes. It would be much appreciated
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What are you willing to pay for this work?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 am
Well, that first 4&1 was JC’s fault. Even Cable said JC he should have recognized the D’s formation and called time out.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:18 am
Poole is a fool and his logic is flawed. Both Cable and Gradkowski are true leaders. There is no panic. A sign of true leadership is recognizing a mistake early and making a quick course correction. Campbell is a mistake.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:18 am
Dakota Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am
Grads….hmmmm,
Won the Bungholes game thanks to the Bungholes dropping a kick and an easy INT.
Won the Steelers game thanks to DBs dropping a couple of easy ints.
Won the Rams game thanks to McFadden and a stupid penalty on the Rams.
Color me impressed!
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This is one of the dumbest posts ever.
You can look at any game and point to, ‘oh if this happened, they would have lost,’ ‘if the DB didn’t drop this,’ ‘if this guy didn’t run as well as he did.’
After watching the Pittsburgh game and Gradkowski score three (3) come-from-behind TDs to win the game and helping Louis look like a star all in the 4th quarter, you can say with a straight face he won the Pittsburgh game on luck.
And the Bengals game?
Weren’t we down 14 points? If Russell was in, or Campbell for that matter, the team would have folded.
Simple as that.
Wow…. lol
But, at the risk of contradicting myself, we really don’t know what would or could have happened. I know what DID happen when Gradkowski was in.
We looked (and look) like a real NFL offense.
When was the last time we looked like a real NFL offense?
I’ll wait……
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:19 am
severeraiderz Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am
Can someone who has the game recorded please look at a few things for me? Look at the number of red zone trips that each Raider QB had and what kept them from being scores if we did not score. Also look at the times DHB was interfered with, i know one was on a long Campbell pass. Also look at the passing attack and the routes that the WR are running, i remember us working the sideline more and using a lot more short routes. It would be much appreciated
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Jesus Cripes man!! Should I also look in the stands for Sasquatch as well??
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:21 am
LA to the Bay. Good post.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 am
morilla Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 am
OK, how about this… Start Campbell against AZ. Let him have the whole game, if and when he lays the eggs he has been laying bench him. Permanently. Hold a press conference stating that Bruce Almighty is the Raiders starting QB. Sh-t, I say make him 3rd string. I feel more comfortable with Kyle as the #2 anyways.
WHY??????????????????
What has given Campbell the Pass in the eyes of Raider Nation?
Somebody explain this to me.
You are all basically supporting Al Davis Logic.
The guy SUCKED in DC. End of story. Held ‘em back for years.
He’s a reclaimation pet project for Al based on height-weight-speed-arm strength and draft status.
Repeat: He is not a rookie.
Let’s win now people instead of giving a guy another scholarship.
Geez…
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 am
Completely agree LA…I gotta roll.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 am
Does JLH have a catch yet this year?
And in as far as “Talent”, which seems to get muddled as only size and arm strength in here (footwork, pocket presence, accuracy, leadership, and game savy seem to have no part of this equation), I would argue that Kyle Boller would than be the most “talented”.
He has the strongest arm of the three, without question.
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Jason has superior athleticism so i would give him the edge.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 am
Notice all the excuse-makers don’t make mention of the two dropped passes by Meyers and Miller preceding the Bruce (tipped) INT.
If they both catch those, than he doesn’t have to pass on 3rd and 15, and viola 11/22 turns into 13/21 and by goly that is 63%.
Anyone?????
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 am
Dakota just like to hate. It’s in his nature. He is like the little kid who prods hamsters with forks and drowns puppies.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 am
Podunkian,
Stop provoking us, or we will retaliate.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 am
Dakota
You should never defend your right to be critical. Your opinions as much as they are sometimes hurtful, are objective, well thought out and not biased.
You provide this blog with non kool- aid comments, so we all just don’t humm and follow the comments and agree to just agree. I would rather have some bias views, instead of all of us drinking the same and in reality, being like the followers of Jim Jones and not thinking for ourselves.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 am
Does JLH have a catch yet this year?
he needs to be more involved in the passing game
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LOL! seriously?
how many times was he on the field as a WR? and how many balls came his way?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 am
Now watch Campbell come back and tear it up this week. You guys are gonna freak!
It’s only been 2 weeks, right? Damn, what’s gonna happen when Bruce hits a tough stretch?? You guys will dog him in a hot minute!
Ordinary
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 am
The “harder you work, the LUCKIER you get”…
Grads has built himself on hard work, it’s obvious the team has responded to his leadership and dedication.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:25 am
Trade DMAC for a hamster and a puppy!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:25 am
Start Campbell against AZ. Let him have the whole game, if and when he lays the eggs he has been laying bench him. Permanently. Hold a press conference stating that Bruce Almighty is the Raiders starting QB.
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morilla, fair enough
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:25 am
Hopefully, because Al got him for a 4th and didn’t draft him personally, it will be easier to admit the mistake, but he already got the full endorsement, extension and Plunkett comparison so we may be stuck with him.
Bruce was playing for pennies and competes way harder. He’s hungry and its so painfully obvious to even casual football fans.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 am
Jason has superior athleticism so i would give him the edge.
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According to who?
Superior athleticism?? Care to guess who ran a faster 40 time at the combine?
Maybe a second guess who had the slowest forty time of the three of our QB’s?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 am
Dakota Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 am
severeraiderz Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am
Can someone who has the game recorded please look at a few things for me? Look at the number of red zone trips that each Raider QB had and what kept them from being scores if we did not score. Also look at the times DHB was interfered with, i know one was on a long Campbell pass. Also look at the passing attack and the routes that the WR are running, i remember us working the sideline more and using a lot more short routes. It would be much appreciated
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What are you willing to pay for this work?
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Gratitude is a form of payment, no???
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 am
Great post LA…
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 am
Get’em Vegas!
Bruce!
Bruce!
Bruce!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 am
Campbell is not a leader and now he’s as shell-shocked by the preseason hit he took as JLH was last year. He’ll be dazed and confused for the rest of the year, if not for the rest of his career.
Gradkowski is a leader and he’s fearless.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 am
Jason has superior athleticism so i would give him the edge.
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That’s some damn good Kool-aid right there. Are you comparing his athleticism to the athleticism of the Golden Girls?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 am
Notice all the excuse-makers don’t make mention of the two dropped passes by Meyers and Miller preceding the Bruce (tipped) INT.
If they both catch those, than he doesn’t have to pass on 3rd and 15, and viola 11/22 turns into 13/21 and by goly that is 63%.
Anyone?????
Vegas, don’t get into the shoulda-coulda-woulda, that’s the game their playing with themselves.
Campbell has more ‘potential’ and higher ceiling based on something or other, what I don’t know.
Bottom Line. Bruce got the win. He has done that more often than not in a Raider uni.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 am
they’re*
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 am
The guy SUCKED in DC. End of story. Held ‘em back for years.
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everything Bruce did before he joined the Raiders is long forgotten, but everything Campbell did in Washington is still a hot topic of conversation?
hey BCZ, whats the definition of hypocrit?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 am
SaintKaufman Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 am
Now watch Campbell come back and tear it up this week. You guys are gonna freak!
It’s only been 2 weeks, right? Damn, what’s gonna happen when Bruce hits a tough stretch?? You guys will dog him in a hot minute!
Ordinary
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Gawdamn right I will support ANYONE who WINS in a Raiders uniform.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 am
Draft forty times:
Bruce Gradkowski 4.59
Kyle Boller 4.60
Jason Campbell 4.69
Why do you think he is a “Superior athlete”? It is debatable if he is even a better athlete, but you claim him to be a “superior athlete”.
I think you are just stereotyping the black QB in all honesty.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 am
Dakota
25 year fan. meh… Cant remember the LA Raiders win over the Redskins, can you? or the Stabler days?
Son, you gotta know that there are 40 year Raider fans that know the meaning of “Just Win Baby”.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 am
Stop provoking us, or we will retaliate.
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you got the twin towers, what else do you want?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 am
I’ll be glad when this qb thing is solved so the arguing can stop. JC i believe will start and if he messes up then you Grad guys get what you want.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 am
Campbell averages 5.23 points per half.
Grads averages 13 points per half (more than double)
Campbell averages 89 yards passing per half
Grads averages 162 yards passing per half (almost double)
Campbell is sacked 2 times per half on average
Grads is sacked 0 times per half on average
Campbell averages 8.9 yards per completion.
Grads averages 14.72 yards per completion.
So, the “Stronger-Armed” QB throws for 5 yards per completion less than the “Weak-Armed” Grads.
What statistics/production/results back up playing Campbell? Teams historically play better when he is on the bench (wins/losses).
Campbell’s only virtue is actually completion percentage which per Washington fans and from what I have seen that’s only because he dumps off almost every pass which should be high %. Evidence that the two top WRs got more catches in the 2 Quarters (10) with Grads in than they did in the 6 Quarters before with Campbell at the helm.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 am
Jason “Betty White” Campbell needs a snickers bar and a demotion to Kansas Chitty, maybe he can give Matt Cassell a run for his money
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 am
so jfb,
are you saying the line can block?? yes i watched the game, from the black hole, like every home game foryears now..mcfadden made a first down from scrimmage on a first down call, the ram d was not expecting that.. my point is this line does not open holes, control los or pass protect well. do you disagree??
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 am
Brian!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:32 am
Bottom line: Campbell needs to respond and play better because for once we have a backup who doesn’t suck (Walter, Tui, McClownpepper).
Lets wait for Hue, Hackett and Cable to decide if Jason is improving. If not, we can ALL scream Bruuuuuce because the kid is obviously a gamer.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:32 am
Height and arm strength are not potential!!
Potential is found between the ears and in the heart. Gradkowski has these in spades. Campbell is sorely wanting.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:32 am
Preppie,
I can’t wait for our game.
We will crush you.
We will destroy you.
We will stick it to you!!!
The OSU > Mich
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 am
The guy SUCKED in DC. End of story. Held ‘em back for years.
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everything Bruce did before he joined the Raiders is long forgotten, but everything Campbell did in Washington is still a hot topic of conversation?
hey BCZ, whats the definition of hypocrit?
RRS, I know you see me keep saying what Bruce has done in a Raider uniform. I know it. That’s why I’ll let you have your hypocrite comment, cuz I know goal 1 on a blog is to prove a point.
But look… and I say again.
If Campbell sucked in DC (we can all agree), why does he get the Pass?
Bruce sucked (I guess) on past teams, but made the Raider O look legit for the first time in YEARS and he doesn’t get the first look because of….. what?
Height-weight-speed-arm strength. Scholarship mentality and this guy is not a rookie.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
I really hope this is some reverse psychology.
Monty got mind control over DeeBo Davis
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
And Vegas just proved he doesn’t even have the speed factor over Grads. Grads is mobile within the pocket and outside. Campbell not so much. Sitting duck.
And when he does get outta the pocket and slide, its comical.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
That Michigan QB can put a stomping on anyone.
If I was a buckeye I would shaking in my shell
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
Now watch Campbell come back and tear it up this week. You guys are gonna freak!
It’s only been 2 weeks, right? Damn, what’s gonna happen when Bruce hits a tough stretch?? You guys will dog him in a hot minute!
Ordinary
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Did everybody expect JCamp to come out of the gate with a brand new team and throw for 350 and 2 TD’s behind this o-line with Cable & Jackson in charge and a bunch of young WR’s who drop easy catches ???
delusional! the passing O was atrocious last year and as Jhill points out, it wasn’t ALL JaWalrus
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 am
RR,
Dude, that’s not funny. You shouldn’t joke about 9/11.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 am
The problem isn’t the quarterback folks, it is the O Line. Campbell hasn’t been successful because the line has been terrible in pass protection. Grads played a little better only because he is better at making plays on the run. Campbell is better in the pocket however a pocket has barely existed in the first two games. If Cable doesn’t fix the line problem it won’t matter who he picks at QB. The line played better in the 2nd half against the Rams but for all the hoopla over Grads he threw a terrible interception too and made some other questionable throws. With some pass protection Campbell is the better QB but given the current quality of the O line Grads might be a better option for now.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 am
Morning Fellas,
Was at the game Sunday. Grads clearly elevated the play of the Team.
Grads might not look like a perfect specimen, but I’m sure all of those that have played sports at any level, will remember “that” guy.
You know, the guy that you snickered at before the game, and afterwords you’re asking yourself “what just happened.” Because “that guy” just kicked your arse.
That is what I see in Grads.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 am
Its wednesday and all yall can talk about is the qb situation lol……no matter who plays we still gotta game on the road against a team in home opener
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 am
Draft forty times:
Bruce Gradkowski 4.59
Kyle Boller 4.60
Jason Campbell 4.69
Why do you think he is a “Superior athlete”? It is debatable if he is even a better athlete, but you claim him to be a “superior athlete”.
I think you are just stereotyping the black QB in all honesty.
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Lol so you are taking 40 times to judge who is a better athelete and using no other criteria. What about the 3 cone drill that shows agility and speed, or the bench press which is strength and muscle endurance. Troy Smith ran a 4.67, do u think Boller is a better athelete than him??? It is you that are attempting to put a label on me by even suggesting that race factored into it. Byron Leftwich i possibly the worst athelete of any QB in the NFL and he is black.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 am
The point is, he sucked at Washington. They warned us this would happen. And they were right.
I am all for giving him the whole AZ game. Then when he sucks again, he’s done.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 am
Did everybody expect JCamp to come out of the gate with a brand new team and throw for 350 and 2 TD’s behind this o-line with Cable & Jackson in charge and a bunch of young WR’s who drop easy catches ???
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No, I expected him to suck, just like his track record shows.
To be continued in PM sesh…
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 am
LA… why are you calling me a hypocrit when we are arguing FOR the same point?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 am
Plunk,
Stick to soccer! lol
We will beat them again!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
Mecca Monkey,
I hope OSU is unbeaten, because the Wolverines are gonna spoil your title hopes and Denard will get 400+ yards on his own. I hope he does a Desmond Howard pose in your endzone – make it a tradition!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
I actually used to like Montes work,..used to be the print voice of the Raiders…A`s…Warriors…however when the internet was invented by Al Gore back in the mid 90`s things went south for poor ol Monte,…now everyone has a blog, a voice,..an opinion,…I see him on Chronlive now, and read his stuff,…has a very bitter tone…maybe he feels he should be the guy at the top, the one people listen to above all others,..but hes not,…he clearly has an agenda nowadays,…Corkran is at least fair, no bias,…even our pudgy little friend here Jerry seems to write things fairly,…Monte hasnt for years…I hope he can pull himself up from all the anger he writes with, and once again joins the group of writing things as they are, and not only as he sees them,…by the way Im expecting Al Davis to announce Campbell will start in AZ,..of course it will be coming from Cables mouth,..but, well, you know…
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
If I had not watched both games I would not be near as upset with JC. But how can you watch him and not walk away shaking your head?
Heck he was not even close to average
Some want to give him more time but he needs a lot more that time wont heal.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
you mean the better athlete who slid like a 5 year old girl 2 yards before the first down marker?
Then you see Grads run and put his head down against 2 LBs with no fear.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
I still haven’t gotten my question answered on all those Campbell supporters. What exactly has Campbell done to show that he is the better QB?
And what makes him better than Grads? Don’t say “talent” as based on the size/hight/speed/ ratio we should be starting Jacoby Ford and Bruce Campbell now. And should still have Jabustus.
So what has he shown/done that indicates that he gives us the better chance to win? Short-term or long-term?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
Sup Bob….here we are on the same time again
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 am
R8dercain Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:11 pm
R8dercain Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:02 pm
IMHO the raiders are gonna start JC everyweek knowing they have a capable back up in grads. He gets some playin time everyweek an as long as he makes plays an takes us down field he’ll continue to start. If he doesn’t produce they’ll bring in grads bcuz grads seem to do well when inserted to clean up or lite a spark. Hate to say it peeps JC is the starter. With the team knowing they have a capable back up. Campbell will have to do a major face plant. But I hope I’m wrong an we start grads.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 am
I am all for giving him the whole AZ game. Then when he sucks again, he’s done.
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morilla, more like “IF” – not when
didn’t AZ just lose 41-7 to the Falcons?
AZ barely beat STL (like us) in WK1
so what if JCamp is average again? no TD’s, no turnovers
Raiders win 9-7
then what ???
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 am
Can someone who has the game recorded please look at a few things for me? Look at the number of red zone trips that each Raider QB had and what kept them from being scores if we did not score.
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1st red zone trip, failed 4th and inches conversion
2nd red zone trip missed FG
3rd red zone trip FG
4th red zone trip INT
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 am
Great stats below bro. good job.
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raiderzmaverick Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 am
Campbell averages 5.23 points per half.
Grads averages 13 points per half (more than double)
Campbell averages 89 yards passing per half
Grads averages 162 yards passing per half (almost double)
Campbell is sacked 2 times per half on average
Grads is sacked 0 times per half on average
Campbell averages 8.9 yards per completion.
Grads averages 14.72 yards per completion.
So, the “Stronger-Armed” QB throws for 5 yards per completion less than the “Weak-Armed” Grad
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 am
r8rwill,
I believe the only issue with our O-line is in pass-protection.
We our #3 running the ball in the NFL, were middle of the pack last year despite having no passing threat with Russell at the helm.
Pass protection = major issue
Run Blocking = way better than average
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:41 am
Norco Bob Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
I actually used to like Montes work,..used to be the print voice of the Raiders…A`s…Warriors…however when the internet was invented by Al Gore back in the mid 90`s things went south for poor ol Monte,…now everyone has a blog, a voice,..an opinion,…I see him on Chronlive now, and read his stuff,…has a very bitter tone…maybe he feels he should be the guy at the top, the one people listen to above all others,..but hes not,…he clearly has an agenda nowadays,…Corkran is at least fair, no bias,…even our pudgy little friend here Jerry seems to write things fairly,…Monte hasnt for years…I hope he can pull himself up from all the anger he writes with, and once again joins the group of writing things as they are, and not only as he sees them,…by the way Im expecting Al Davis to announce Campbell will start in AZ,..of course it will be coming from Cables mouth,..but, well, you know…
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Agree!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:41 am
LA to TheBay Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 am
Did everybody expect JCamp to come out of the gate with a brand new team and throw for 350 and 2 TD’s behind this o-line with Cable & Jackson in charge and a bunch of young WR’s who drop easy catches ???
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I saw WRs who played pretty damned good when Grads came up. Why is that?
WRs looked like crap when Jabustus was in there. Everyone looked like crap. Whole offense sucked. Suddenly Grads comes in and the WRs make plays and the running game opens up more and no sacks. Hmmm….
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:41 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
Now watch Campbell come back and tear it up this week. You guys are gonna freak!
It’s only been 2 weeks, right? Damn, what’s gonna happen when Bruce hits a tough stretch?? You guys will dog him in a hot minute!
Ordinary
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Did everybody expect JCamp to come out of the gate with a brand new team and throw for 350 and 2 TD’s behind this o-line with Cable & Jackson in charge and a bunch of young WR’s who drop easy catches ???
delusional! the passing O was atrocious last year and as Jhill points out, it wasn’t ALL JaWalrus
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With a new system, in a new city, with new receivers, and a new (possibly worse) O-line. This aint madden people or college where the best players always play better.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 am
J Hill Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 am
Can someone who has the game recorded please look at a few things for me? Look at the number of red zone trips that each Raider QB had and what kept them from being scores if we did not score.
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1st red zone trip, failed 4th and inches conversion
2nd red zone trip missed FG
3rd red zone trip FG
4th red zone trip INT
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Uhhh neither of our QBs threw an INT in the redzone against the Rams. Fact is BOTH INTs were caused by tipped passes.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 am
I expected him to suck, just like his track record shows.
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LA: JFB is the ONLY guy who didn’t want Jason Campbell prior to preseason, so unless you’ve been gone since March or you’re one of JFB’s multiple personalities – you’re not telling the truth
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 am
morilla Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
you mean the better athlete who slid like a 5 year old girl 2 yards before the first down marker?
Then you see Grads run and put his head down against 2 LBs with no fear.
Ecaxtly! Those slides last week were two of the most pathetic plays I’ve ever seen a quarterback make in my life. Reinforces my pount that he is shell shocked and will not recover any time soon.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 am
The day Garbagekowski and/or Tom Cable lead us to the playoffs is the day I eat my hat.
Just my opinion, but I am pretty sure I am right on this.
Sorry if I can’t look at a cup of pizz and call it lemonade like some of you guys! lmao
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 am
morilla Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 am
The point is, he sucked at Washington. They warned us this would happen. And they were right.
I am all for giving him the whole AZ game. Then when he sucks again, he’s done.
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We can’t afford to experiment against a lesser team like Arizona. We need to be 2-1 going into Houston or the late season wins wont mean anything. It’s key to hover around .500 till the last quarter of the season. These games mean more now.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 am
So any thoughts on AZ front 7? How bout secondary? How good is thee oline and skills positions?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 am
Severe,
Can you back up your claim of “Superior Athlete” with any factual evidence?
I made an attempt, with 40 times, to disprove it.
Your turn.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 am
Jaysohn Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 am
The problem isn’t the quarterback folks, it is the O Line. Campbell hasn’t been successful because the line has been terrible in pass protection. Grads played a little better only because he is better at making plays on the run. Campbell is better in the pocket however a pocket has barely existed in the first two games. If Cable doesn’t fix the line problem it won’t matter who he picks at QB.
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thank you sir. i couldn’t have said it better..we need help on the line, if we get it we will be a contender. period….
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 am
Yo B
what u think of this whole QB ordeal???
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 am
Whomever starts, we have to win this game more than any other this year. Yeah we had to be the Rams but that’s cuz they suck. Arizona is a team with talent that will give our team a huge confidence boost.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 am
The record speaks for itself. Campbell has done nothing as a Raider and inspires confidence in no one. Bruce has been a proven winner for us.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 am
R8dercain Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Campbell will have to play himself out of the starting position. An if we hadn’t been such a losing franchise all these yrs,7 if I’m correct. Than cable never makes that move and if an only if he did it was just for that day. JC remains the starter on any other team in the NFL
he hasn’t had enough time in live situations to be assesed yet. Were just hungry for W’s
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 am
Dakota I was at the game and the game plan did change after half time. The line as usual wasn’t holding up in pass protection so they went to quicker reads with shorter routes which I think Grads is better at executing. Someone listed yards per catch which is deceiving because a lot of yards were gained by the receivers after the catch. DHB took a 7 yard quick out for 30 after breaking a couple of tackles. Fans in the stands complained about a couple of passes Campbell threw in the ground without understanding that those were screen plays that the defense read and held up the back. The reality is with the way the line is playing the deep passing game has to be abandoned and Hue is going to have to go with more of west coast offense. Except for the pass to Miller down the seam most of Grads passes were quick outs or boot leg crossing patterns.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 am
Lol RRS
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 am
Guest123 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 am
We can’t afford to experiment against a lesser team like Arizona. We need to be 2-1 going into Houston or the late season wins wont mean anything. It’s key to hover around .500 till the last quarter of the season. These games mean more now.
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I totally agree. I would just like this whole argument to end. I don’t like the idea of having to give up a game but if in the long run it solidifies the answer it might be best.
And it will shut everyone else up.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 am
any thoughts on AZ front 7? How bout secondary?
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defense looks solid (on paper)
they have old LB’s and 1 weak CB opposite DRC though
ATL hung 41 points on them, so they must not be all that great come Sundays – they beat a weak Rams team, just like we did
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
Severz…..i was at game……grad brought energy and showed his worth…..still JC is your starter and I like the guy. He on thin ice and knows it. So what will he do? What will we do if Grad starts and plays bad?
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
I don’t think anyone is trying to fool anyone that piss in a cup is lemonade. But this team has the talent to really improve on last year, and if they overacheive, they could make it to the playoffs. Not saying that is going to happen, but I’m not going to throw a pity party if it doesn’t. I’ve seen the Raiders through thick and thin, and I’ve never understood why anyone would be a “fan” and think it’s cool to rip them so much. Why not just leave us loyal idiots to our Raider fandom. Why join us at all? Go be a Colts fan or Patriots fan or 49er fan. The hell if I care…..
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
The Arizona game will be tough, but not difficult to win.
The home opener for the Cardinals,the fans will be fired up, but if the Raiders can stand up, to the early energy, we should be ok as the game settles in.
I see a team the Cardinals, with no identity. I know Wisenhut will try to pound the ball, based on the Raiders issues, stopping the run. This will take less pressure off Anderson, who is a slow read QB, and has no pocket presence, as I can see, based on his play in Cleveland.
Raiders stop the run, create a game of passing and unleash our pass rush, use multiple line stunts and pressure Anderson. His body of work in this system, so far, has been many mistakes, either the interception, or missing his WR’S.
The key is pressure, and on offense our ball control will be key to our success.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
R8dercain Says:
September 21st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Campbell will have to play himself out of the starting position. An if we hadn’t been such a losing franchise all these yrs,7 if I’m correct. Than cable never makes that move and if an only if he did it was just for that day. JC remains the starter on any other team in the NFL
he hasn’t had enough time in live situations to be assesed yet. Were just hungry for W’s
Not exactly. Campbell is not the starter for the ‘Skins or the Raiders. And Jeff Fischer just benched that other “great athlete”, Vince Young, for precisely the same reason Campbell got benched: not a leader and nothing but space between the ears.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
I can’t believe I am doing this but here are the stats of Bruce’s pro-day:
4.50 in the 40-yard dash…350-pound bench press…Bench presses 225 pounds 17 times… Leg presses 600
pounds 20 times…33 ¾-inch vertical jump…3.97 20-yard shuttle…6.76 three-cone drill…31 ½-inch arm length…8
7/8-inch hands…Right-handed… 26 Wonderlic score.
Tried to find Campbell’s number but can’t but did find this gem from espn. Look at the negatives, and well nothing has really changed.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8754&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfldraft%2fdraft05%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d8754
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
I honestly think we’re gonna beat the Cards, no matter who starts at QB …
McFadden is the man and the defense overall is getting it done
I don’t see a RB like Johnson or Jackson in the AZ backfield and Derek Anderson = white JaMarcus
Larry Fitz isn’t 100 percent
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 am
Bauce 4 Real Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 am
So any thoughts on AZ front 7? How bout secondary? How good is thee oline and skills positions?
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Keep everything in front of the secondary. Also our lb’s will have to be active cuz a main part of their offense is bringing someone out of the backfield. Cuz of their speed we should use misdirections, screens, bootlegs.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:51 am
LA to the Bay,
You could be right, but that is simply not how I look at things. I am an admitted cup half empty kind guy when it comes to the Raiders. But know this, I will be able to recognize a game or a stretch of games that really shows that this team has turned, and neither the Pitt or the Bungholes games last year, not this weak azz win against the Rams are those games. A win is a win BS from a lot of guys here is fine if that somehow makes them feel better about the other 11 losses for the season, I just don’t work that way.
I look at this team as a fan that wants them to develop into a SB contender. I look for signs of things that most teams present when they are SB contenders and then I form my opinion as to our chances and progress towards that goal.
I will continue to voice my concerns until I see the changes that will get us there, and I will continue to take little solace from meaningless victories like last week’s win. But rest assured, I will let you all know once I see what I am looking for and then I will be as happy about the team as the rest of you guys.
That time hasn’t come yet. And with Tom Cable, Bruce Garbagekowski (and probably Campbell too) and this O-line, we are still a loooooong ways off.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:52 am
Raider Dell Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
The Arizona game will be tough, but not difficult to win.
The home opener for the Cardinals,the fans will be fired up, but if the Raiders can stand up, to the early energy, we should be ok as the game settles in.
I see a team the Cardinals, with no identity. I know Wisenhut will try to pound the ball, based on the Raiders issues, stopping the run. This will take less pressure off Anderson, who is a slow read QB, and has no pocket presence, as I can see, based on his play in Cleveland.
Raiders stop the run, create a game of passing and unleash our pass rush, use multiple line stunts and pressure Anderson. His body of work in this system, so far, has been many mistakes, either the interception, or missing his WR’S.
The key is pressure, and on offense our ball control will be key to our success.
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Great stuff!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:52 am
Thanks RRS for wanting to talk about something than the damn qb issue……im gonna be pissed if seymour comes back and big john aint starting
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am
Cardinals stadium will be half empty, halfway through the 3rd quarter.
Bruuuuuuuce will be echoing off the walls.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 am
What will we do if Grad starts and plays bad?
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BAUCE!
nobody wants to think thats even an option … haha
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 am
This team beat the lowly Rams in the home opener by a whopping 2 points!
We need to focus on the Cardinals like we were playing the Saints or Colts. There is little room for error. Don’t get overconfident. Remember, its their home opener and they will be fired up.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 am
Jaysohn Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 am
Dakota I was at the game and the game plan did change after half time. The line as usual wasn’t holding up in pass protection so they went to quicker reads with shorter routes which I think Grads is better at executing. Someone listed yards per catch which is deceiving because a lot of yards were gained by the receivers after the catch. DHB took a 7 yard quick out for 30 after breaking a couple of tackles. Fans in the stands complained about a couple of passes Campbell threw in the ground without understanding that those were screen plays that the defense read and held up the back. The reality is with the way the line is playing the deep passing game has to be abandoned and Hue is going to have to go with more of west coast offense. Except for the pass to Miller down the seam most of Grads passes were quick outs or boot leg crossing patterns.
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I was at the game too,as I’ve been for the last 14 yrs
and I have to totally agree with you
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 am
Well at least we know Nnamdi gets to play this weekend lol
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 am
Al is more invested in DHB than he is in Campbell. I’m sure Cable has made the argument that only Bruce can bring out the best in DHB. Al would rather be right about DHB than be right about JC.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 am
guest123 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 am
Dakota
25 year fan. meh… Cant remember the LA Raiders win over the Redskins, can you? or the Stabler days?
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I have admitted that had I been born in the 60s I would probably have a different view of Al Davis than I currently have, but I can’t change the fact that you are old and I am not. Had I witnessed first hand those SBs I could probably sit back and swim in those warm recollections of better days and feel at ease about the current state of the Raiders, and be content with losing like you are, but that simply is not the case for me.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 am
I know Wisenhut will try to pound the ball, based on the Raiders issues, stopping the run. This will take less pressure off Anderson, who is a slow read QB, and has no pocket presence
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Agreed 100 percent
Dell = the DMAC of this blog
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 am
I think with Az we should make it a point the ball down their throats so we can keep their offense off the field.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:57 am
In this game id like to see then do more attempts to JLH……this is sort of game he can go off coming out the slot
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 am
Severe,
Can you back up your claim of “Superior Athlete” with any factual evidence?
I made an attempt, with 40 times, to disprove it.
Your turn.
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Almost impossible to prove or disprove…..it is a matter of opinion really and in my opinion Jason is a superior athelete. if you disagree and believe it is Boller i would have nothing to say in argument.
But…..
since 2006:
JC 840 rushing yards, 3 TDs, 5.2 ypc
since 2003:
KB 516 rushing yards, 2 TDs, 3.2 ypc
….still doesnt prove a thing though
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
The game-plan was changed at halftime, because as Coach Cable clearly stated on Monday, they had to shorten the playbook for Campbell and he is not doing a good job getting the ball out quickly on the shorter pass routes.
The playbook was opened up due to having a real QB in there. The coach said as much, and the play-calling backs it up as well.
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
r8rwill Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 am
Jaysohn Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 am
The problem isn’t the quarterback folks, it is the O Line. Campbell hasn’t been successful because the line has been terrible in pass protection. Grads played a little better only because he is better at making plays on the run. Campbell is better in the pocket however a pocket has barely existed in the first two games. If Cable doesn’t fix the line problem it won’t matter who he picks at QB.
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Well, we don’t have any other people to plug in on the O-Line so at this point that’s what we have to play with. So, with the CURRENT players available who gives us a better chance to win? I think Grads!
Maybe next year with things built around him better, and an O-line which gives him a lot of time to think, and we don’t need someone that can improvize, thinks on his feet and can react quickly then we can plug Campbell in. Until then I WANT TO WIN not experiment!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
im gonna be pissed if seymour comes back and big john aint starting
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me too
Seymour, Eugene, Gallery & Bush can all stay home in this contest as far as i’m concerned!
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am
Severe,
Fair enough, if it is an opinion it is an opinion.
IMO, it is about a wash. Bruce probably is quicker, maybe Campbell faster with the long stride, Bruce is probably the strongest, Boller the strongest arm…..and around and around we can go.
“Superior athlete” is an awfully strong word to throw around.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am
Yes dmac has got off to a good start but cards just got pummeled and no one is afraid of our pass offense. I dont see him having a 150 yard game again. They gonna dare us to pass
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am
the CB opposite Dom Rogers-Cromartie will be tested OFTEN … expect some bombs to Heyward Bey if DRC is covering Murphy
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am
This is still going on? Monte Poole nailed it, you just cant make that switch now, your team will be a joke!
The staff will instantly lose credibility ( cable probably already has). How can anyone believe what you say when you are so wishy washy?
What happens when bruce fails as the starter? How much rope do you give him, before you pull the plug on him. Do you then go back to campbell?
How does it look to other potential players for our team? Will anybody want to come to Oakland if they may not even get a fair shot to prove their worth?
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am
I say give Campbell one more chance in ARIZ….. Cable can always make the switch again!!
If Grads does what he did last week…… then that will be the end of that and Grads will be our starter at qb from here on out!!
If Campbell does a good job and we win than Campbell keeps the QB job!!
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Well said
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am
Bauce 4 Real Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
Severz…..i was at game……grad brought energy and showed his worth…..still JC is your starter and I like the guy. He on thin ice and knows it. So what will he do? What will we do if Grad starts and plays bad?
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The question no one wants to answer. I also think me and you are the only ones that still show JLH any love and have since BEFORE he was drafted. Would be nice to see him get off. Im gonna try to get up there for a game, is there room for an LA cat at the function on sundays
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am
They gonna dare us to pass
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you’re probably right
they have Darnell Dockett & Dan Williams on that D-Line
thats better than any interior DL the Raiders have faced up to this point!
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:03 am
Bruce seems to more decisive at getting the ball down the field. This should help the wr’s cuz they can’t get better if all the balls are going to dump offs.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:03 am
Besides you fellas arguing over qb…..what about this oline going vs a 3-4 front? Outta give us some indication with 3 straight games from oct 10 to oct 24 of 3-4 fronts Sd sf and Den
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:03 am
The Raiders in the last few weeks faced probably, the best RB, and a top 5 RB, in Jackson.
I’m don’t see the explosion with Beenie Wells or Tim Hightower. Play hard nosed defense, keep them from a big gain, and swarm to the ball. The best scenario is make the cardinals on e dimensional, and force them to throw.
Their QB , will not run out of the pocket, slow footed. Raiders D-line need pressure and most of all eliminate the big play, don’t give the QB, Anderson thoughts of confidence, it goes down hill after that.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:04 am
Dakota Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 am
I have admitted that had I been born in the 60s I would probably have a different view of Al Davis than I currently have, but I can’t change the fact that you are old and I am not. Had I witnessed first hand those SBs I could probably sit back and swim in those warm recollections of better days and feel at ease about the current state of the Raiders, and be content with losing like you are, but that simply is not the case for me.
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It’s no fun to watch this team struggle to be competitive. I remember when the boys in black would intimidate the boys in white. I was at the 1979 Houston Oilers game when we crushed Earl Campbell in the Colisem 27-7. Raiders were a badass team then.
They are what they are, and being a fan is what it is, but I would no more change my team than change my religion. No sympathy offered to pity partiers. Grow a sac or go home. Effin Raiders till I die!
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:04 am
I also think me and you are the only ones that still show JLH any love and have since BEFORE he was drafted. Would be nice to see him get off.
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I thought I was President of the JLH fanclub?
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 am
Pity party?
LMAO
I take great joy in following this team and expressing my opinions on its progress or lackthereof. No pity party here. But I am not going to blow smoke up may own azz and pretend like things are good or on the right track. I just tell it like it is. You don’t like it Guest123 don’t read my comments.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 am
I expected him to suck, just like his track record shows.
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LA: JFB is the ONLY guy who didn’t want Jason Campbell prior to preseason, so unless you’ve been gone since March or you’re one of JFB’s multiple personalities – you’re not telling the truth
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In the field all summer, desk jocky for right now. I will catch the articles on the phone or on the net when I get home, but rarely comment unless I’m in front of a desktop.
I never lie. I may be wrong on occasion, but I never lie.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 am
Tried to find Campbell’s number but can’t but did find this gem from espn. Look at the negatives, and well nothing has really changed.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8754&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfldraft%2fdraft05%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d8754
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Exactly the kind of things some of us have been talking about. He is what he is at this point. Why should he start? Has anybody answered that? And don’t give me this future BS. He is NOT a long term answer. Let him prove himself first. For now, go with Production. Hello?
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 am
Bruce = 380 yards passing this weekend.
You don’t dare Bruce.
(RRS, I’ll be happy to report that I just claimed Bruce on FFL and will be starting him pending the presser today)
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am
Severe,
Fair enough, if it is an opinion it is an opinion.
IMO, it is about a wash. Bruce probably is quicker, maybe Campbell faster with the long stride, Bruce is probably the strongest, Boller the strongest arm…..and around and around we can go.
“Superior athlete” is an awfully strong word to throw around.
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By superior i just meant better, i didnt mean for it to imply that it was by a huge margin. I give u grads on quickness, but strength i would give Jason straight up with Boller a close second. Pound for pound Grads would take it. Lol i have to make an argument out of everything my man
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 am
Severz of course! r8eray is an LA cat and came thru…..lol he had on his Los Angeles Raider hat but oh well. Still a cool guy and loves this team. Yeah jlh needs to be used he is reaady
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:07 am
But know this, I will be able to recognize a game or a stretch of games that really shows that this team has turned, and neither the Pitt or the Bungholes games last year, not this weak azz win against the Rams are those games. A win is a win BS from a lot of guys here is fine if that somehow makes them feel better about the other 11 losses for the season, I just don’t work that way.
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Fair.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:07 am
Dell: Derek Anderson is an inaccurate statue, but he’s still a veteran and the Cards still have Fitz & Breaston at WR
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:08 am
Severe,
If you want to be technical, there were only 2 red zone possesions in the first half
1st was the failed 4th and 1
2nd was the Jano made FG.
On the 2nd one, Campbell overthrows Murphy badly, gets bailed on on a personal foul call for a hit on Murphy that put the ball at the 12. 1st dn run for no gain, 2nd dn Campbell throws it OOB out of the shotgun in the face of heavy blitz, 3rd dn sack and fumble recovered by Veldheer.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am
Does Cable announce the starter today? I heard from someone that he doesn’t plan on revealing it until Sunday.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am
Hmmmm.
Pity partier or azz smoke blower…hmmm
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am
Dell i agree but derek is type of qb that can kill u if there is no pressure. Earlier blitzing will rattle the guy just like we did Damon Huard 2 years ago. Get him off balance and have him in fear from the gate
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 am
The only time in my life where I switched allegiances to a team was in the mid 1980s when I was like 9 or 10 years old, when I stopped being a Dodgers fan and became a Cubs fan, thanks to my great step-dad and WGN!…call me bandwagon! lmao
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 am
Bruce = 380 yards passing this weekend.
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JFB: assuming Bruce starts, what do I get from you if/when he throws for less than 350 yards this Sunday?
I’m offering QB Rodgers & RB Mendenhall (unless I got something better you’d like)
your turn
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 am
The full Monte Pool is not in a position to make the call on the QB, he’s as qualified as anyone on this blog so enough said.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 am
The Big Banana Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am
Does Cable announce the starter today? I heard from someone that he doesn’t plan on revealing it until Sunday.
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I’d think that Jerry would at least report who was running the first team, and that would let the cat of the bag before Sunday, no?
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 am
lol. Cable says no controversy. I’d say that judging by the comments in this blog since Sunday, there’s a controversy alright.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:12 am
Banana….that may be right knowing the raiders lol
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
I can’t believe I am doing this but here are the stats of Bruce’
4.50 in the 40-yard dash…350-pound bench press…Bench presses 225 pounds 17 times… Leg presses 600
pounds 20 times…33 ¾-inch vertical jump…3.97 20-yard shuttle…6.76 three-cone drill…31 ½-inch arm length…8
7/8-inch hands…Right-handed… 26 Wonderlic score.
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ANALYSIS: A prospect with the physical tools to work with, Campbell improved his overall game and made a big jump up draft boards the past six months. Most effective in a short passing offense that does not rely on the vertical game. s pro-day
40 Time: 4.69
Other than that, Jason skipped the combine…
“As for Campbell, he finally went through much-anticipated workouts after skipping all of the drills at the combine.” (this was for his proday)
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am
Raider Dell Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:03 am
The Raiders in the last few weeks faced probably, the best RB, and a top 5 RB, in Jackson.
I’m don’t see the explosion with Beenie Wells or Tim Hightower. Play hard nosed defense, keep them from a big gain, and swarm to the ball. The best scenario is make the cardinals on e dimensional, and force them to throw.
Their QB , will not run out of the pocket, slow footed. Raiders D-line need pressure and most of all eliminate the big play, don’t give the QB, Anderson thoughts of confidence, it goes down hill after that.
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Hightower definitely isn’t explosive, but comes out of the backfield a lot. Just like any scat back they can cause problems with those five yard passes.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am
I’m done debating Campbell/Gradkowski and McClain/Morrison for the day …
time to talk about the gameplan against the AZ Cards!
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:07 am
Dell: Derek Anderson is an inaccurate statue, but he’s still a veteran and the Cards still have Fitz & Breaston at WR
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RRS
As you said earlier in your comment. Fitz has some physical issues and his timing with Anderson, is real bad right now.
Breaston on the other hand, excels between the linebackers and DB’s when teams play zone. We are cover one team. Breaston will have to run precise routes to get open, I just don’t see him doing that.
Fitz will be, asked to, shorten his patterns, and play small bal to open up his window later in the game.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 am
No controversy means AL makes the call lol……get over it JC is your starter
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am
mistic1 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am
This is still going on? Monte Poole nailed it, you just cant make that switch now, your team will be a joke!
The staff will instantly lose credibility ( cable probably already has). How can anyone believe what you say when you are so wishy washy?
What happens when bruce fails as the starter? How much rope do you give him, before you pull the plug on him. Do you then go back to campbell?
How does it look to other potential players for our team? Will anybody want to come to Oakland if they may not even get a fair shot to prove their worth?
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I hear what your saying, I really do. At the same time I say when is enough enough? It is sad and unfortunate but at this point I say do whatever it takes to win. Let’s face it with the way the Raiders are currently set up, worrying about what is going to happen down the road is the least of our concerns. Plain and simple take care of buissness right now and get some wins. When that happens free agents will want to come here, like back in the day. Winning cures all, it makes guys step up there game and just overall care more, things will fall into place if we get some momentum by getting victories. let’s start with winning 2 games in a row by whatever means neccasary-Just sayin
p.s. Monte Poole is a Raider hater who really could care less what happens with the Raiders. He won’t have anything to write about or a job for that matter when the Raiders return to glory
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am
A Garbagekowski win over Arizona will mean nothing. We should be able to start Michael Bush at QB and win that game.
If Garbagekowski plays well and we beat Houston, I will stop calling him Garbagekowski out of respect. I might still call him Scrubkowski or something else, but no more Garbagekowski lol.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am
Hightower isn’t a Top 10 RB, but he’s still a mismatch when facing a safety or corner in the open field 1-on-1
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 am
RRS thank you! Damn that debate. We got a game sunday and need to talk matchups and such
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 am
J Hill Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:08 am
Severe,
If you want to be technical, there were only 2 red zone possesions in the first half
1st was the failed 4th and 1
2nd was the Jano made FG.
On the 2nd one, Campbell overthrows Murphy badly, gets bailed on on a personal foul call for a hit on Murphy that put the ball at the 12. 1st dn run for no gain, 2nd dn Campbell throws it OOB out of the shotgun in the face of heavy blitz, 3rd dn sack and fumble recovered by Veldheer.
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Thanks that means Campbell cost us at least 3 points there and Jano another 3. Bad play by Campbell, he should have audibled to a sneak or called the T.O.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:17 am
Anyways…..ill be back later…….JUST WIN
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:17 am
Dakota Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am
A Garbagekowski win over Arizona will mean nothing. We should be able to start Michael Bush at QB and win that game.
If Garbagekowski plays well and we beat Houston, I will stop calling him Garbagekowski out of respect. I might still call him Scrubkowski or something else, but no more Garbagekowski lol.
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last time I am commenting on you…
STFU
let Bauce and RRS talk strategy
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:17 am
Just Fire Baby,
That article is on spot. 7 yrs later, he has not changed
Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career. Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:17 am
Bauce 4 Real Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am
Dell i agree but derek is type of qb that can kill u if there is no pressure. Earlier blitzing will rattle the guy just like we did Damon Huard 2 years ago. Get him off balance and have him in fear from the gate
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Bauce
I agree, pressure is the key, we must blitz and create turnovers. Most road teams win, due to turnovers.
On offense balance is the key. Run DMAC, and stay with our power sets, and pound the ball.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am
hate to be the sour grapes guy on this blog, but how many times have the Raiders won back-to-back games in the last 8 years ???
seriously. anybody know?
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:19 am
guest123 Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:17 am
last time I am commenting on you…
STFU
let Bauce and RRS talk strategy
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Eat schyt doormat fan. You stfu.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:19 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am
I’m done debating Campbell/Gradkowski and McClain/Morrison for the day …
time to talk about the gameplan against the AZ Cards!
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If JC starts, run early and often. Hope that the run game is effective, then do some play action.
If Grads starts, open it up right away with the pass, and let that open it up for DMAC to run roughshod on them!
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 am
I can’t believe I am doing this but here are the stats of Bruce’
4.50 in the 40-yard dash…350-pound bench press…Bench presses 225 pounds 17 times… Leg presses 600
pounds 20 times…33 ¾-inch vertical jump…3.97 20-yard shuttle…6.76 three-cone drill…31 ½-inch arm length…8
7/8-inch hands…Right-handed… 26 Wonderlic score.
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ANALYSIS: A prospect with the physical tools to work with, Campbell improved his overall game and made a big jump up draft boards the past six months. Most effective in a short passing offense that does not rely on the vertical game. s pro-day
40 Time: 4.69
Other than that, Jason skipped the combine…
“As for Campbell, he finally went through much-anticipated workouts after skipping all of the drills at the combine.” (this was for his proday)
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2005draft/Campbell,Jason-QB-Auburn.htm
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 am
Monte Poole is an idiot, doesn’t even reallised Bruce was drafted in the 6th.
Anyone can see that he tips the snap and quite often whether its run or pass with his body lean pre-snap.
He also cant read or react to a blitz, he’d have been sacked on the Murphy TD last week.
We play to win the games, right?
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:21 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am
I’m done debating Campbell/Gradkowski and McClain/Morrison for the day …
time to talk about the gameplan against the AZ Cards!
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Stop Beanie Wells…..limit Hightower on the screens and short passes….put Nnamdi on Fitzgerald….put pressure on Anderson with some blitzing.
Offensively…focus on running the ball with DMAC and Bush…get Miller involved…use short game to get DHB touches early on…
Do that and you win. Get slick and “cut it loose” or pretend that John Henderson can’t play…and we lose
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:21 am
and pound the ball.
581.RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am
hate to be the sour grapes guy on this blog, but how many times have the Raiders won back-to-back games in the last 8 years ???
seriously. anybody know?
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that is what I’m saying! let’s start with winning more than 1 game! I’m afraid to look at how few times we have won back to back post superbowl. I know in 2006 are only 2 wins were back to back.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 am
LondonRaider Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 am
Monte Poole is an idiot, doesn’t even reallised Bruce was drafted in the 6th.
Anyone can see that he tips the snap and quite often whether its run or pass with his body lean pre-snap.
He also cant read or react to a blitz, he’d have been sacked on the Murphy TD last week.
We play to win the games, right?
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If it were truly JC fault that the snap was being jumped then how come when we got a new C the problem was gone??? It was the snap count and not the body lean.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 am
Just one question guys. I keep seeing the “give Campbell another start to give him a chance to prove himself”.
Why should a guy be “given” a start? He gets plenty of chances to prove himself in practice each week. Obviously he hasn’t proven himself yet or he wouldn’t have been benched.
Now, if the weeks go on and he does “prove himself” and shows himself to be the better player who gives us the better chance to come in and win, then he should be put back in the game as the starter later in the year. Back-up gets plenty of reps to get comfortable with the team. Look at Grads last year coming in off the bench and being ‘comfortable’ right away.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:24 am
Gameplan against the cards is similar to what it was against the rams. Stack the box. Stop the run.
Get offense moving pounding McFadden and quick throws.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 am
Anybody know where we can rewatch the Raider v Rams game for free???
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:29 am
BTW, those people who keep stressing give Campbell a chance, I will say to you to keep in ming how many other players we have on our team that we are giving a “chance” to. If you have to many players on your team that are guys who are growing and learning you will never win, you need a balance. How long are we going to wait for guys to come around? It has been to long, we need to win now. Grads may not be Tom Brady but if he lights a fire under people and wins games, who really cares? Sick of waiting.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:30 am
*mind
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:30 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am
hate to be the sour grapes guy on this blog, but how many times have the Raiders won back-to-back games in the last 8 years ???
seriously. anybody know?
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Agreed. I remember Cable sayin a good team can win consecutive games. We’ll see if the Raiders can.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am
Dakota Says:
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am
If Garbagekowski plays well and we beat Houston, I will stop calling him Garbagekowski out of respect. I might still call him Scrubkowski or something else, but no more Garbagekowski lol.
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If Grads starts these next two games and beats Arizona and Houston to make us 3-1, and basically giving him a 3-0 record as a “starter” this year I would start calling him Godkowski. That would be un-freaking-believable. None of our QB’s have the cards to get those 2 wins.
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 am
Houston might hang 60 on us…
September 22nd, 2010 at 10:52 am
Bummer, forgot about not having a 1st round pick next year.
Ok, Start Bruce the rest of the year and then sign VICK in the offseason.
I agree with Dakota, we need a new QB. I like Bruce but don’t believe he is a long term solution. I think Vick would give us a good 5 years. JMHO
September 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 am
doesn’t matter who starts, if the line doesn’t block and protect we won’t win, this game or many others..the gme of football is won/lost in the trenches…
September 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 am
i think our d is stout enough to hold other teams as long as the O gives them a breather and doesn’t go three and out everytime we have the ball