Raiders embellish Schottenheimer quote
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, October 6th, 2010 at 11:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.
What do you do if you’re trying to get your team fired up and don’t have quite enough verbal ammunition?
Use a little creativity. Make it stronger. Edit.
Hell, make it up if you have to.
Judge for yourself.
Here is what the Raiders had posted in their locker room Wednesday from former Chiefs and Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer as a means of motivation for Sunday’s game against the San Diego Chargers, citing a recent Sirius radio interview:
“The one constant you can count on in playing the Raiders is that they don’t finish. They don’t finish plays and they don’t finish games. I always told my players that if they kept playing hard against the Raiders, they would eventually fold. That is why I knew we would always win. That is still the perception around the league.”
Many words were either underlined or capitalized to enhance their effect.
If you’ve talked to any former Schottenheimer player about their days preparing for the Raiders, this is actually pretty mild. He was fond of telling them the Raiders would back down the moment you “hit ‘em in the mouth.”
But Schottenheimer didn’t go even remotely that far Monday during his Sirius radio show. Here is what he said, with beat writer Steve Corkran listening to the segment on the Raiders and transcribing it word-for-word:
“Well, from my perspective, you know, I’ve always saw in that football team, they don’t finish plays very well. And I’m not going to sit here and tell you that, you know, that they don’t care, but I do think that losing over an extended period of time produces guys that tend to.
“They don’t finish plays the way you need to finish plays. And, in the National Football League, it’s all about how you finish whatever it is you’re doing, whether it’s on offense, defense or in the kicking game. And that was always the thing that I felt about the Raiders and why I felt we could always beat them is, that if you just go out and do your job and you do it and commit yourself to doing it for the entire contest, regardless how much time that is, go finish the thing, and they would find a way – I always would tell our players, if you just hang in there with the Raiders, they will find a way in the end to lose themselves.”
Asked about the Raiders surrendering 249 yards rushing, Schotteheimer said:
“I have always said that I would rather give up an 80-yard touchdown than have them take the ball and drive it 80 yards on you running it because, I promise what happened, if you throw an 80-yard touchdown pass, it’s probably one or two guys involved in the end result for you defensively. Somebody didn’t do their job, blew the coverage, whatever.
“When you have them take the ball and run the ball down the field on you for 80 yards, I’m talking about a sustained drive, what happens to you is that guys start standing around, looking to their right, looking to their left, ‘What’s going wrong? Why aren’t we getting this done?’ All of a sudden, they’re focused more on what’s wrong than what they’re supposed to be doing right.”
Schottenheimer has a well-documented dislike for the Raiders, and has put things in much stronger terms to players while preparing to play Oakland.
But read closely what he actually said in this case and try and find some fault with it.
You can’t. It’s all true.
As for the locker room version, well, Schottenheimer never said the word “fold,” nor did he say anything about it being the “perception around the league.”
Throwing a little extra fuel on the fire for bulletin board material wasn’t invented by the Raiders. Most coaches say they don’t use it, but chances are it happens every week over the course of the season for almost every team.
The interesting thing about the embellishment of Schottenheimer interview Wednesday isn’t that it gives any insight of what he thinks.
It’s that it tells how the Raiders view themselves.
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October 6th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Just Retire Baby.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Huff mic’d up on Showtimes “Inside the NFL” this week. Bad body language when Branch asks him to give him sum. Ole Marty “the DRIVE” Schottenheimer may just have hit the nail on the head… again
(sorry in advance for the repost)
October 6th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
So now Jerry’s a pshycotherapist, He knows what the Raiders think about themselves. WOW Jerry when the practice going to open maybe you can do this for all teams and help them with some interspective. So they can understand what’s going on on their team and come to you and have you assist them in solving those sensitive issues.
Great work Jerry!!
October 6th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
Jerry just curious what’s your analysis of the SF 49ers?, what does Singletary think about his team? and what’s your prognosis?
What’s your analysis of the Alex Smith issues is he a flat out bust or is he salvagable?
How ’bout the Pat’s they just traded Randy Moss what kind of affect will that hav eon thme the rest of the season.
Oh and this Meg Whitman broad what’s her story?
October 7th, 2010 at 12:01 am
we will prevail and get a much needed win at home vs the dolts.
RAIDER NATION!
October 7th, 2010 at 12:08 am
anyone ask marty what his teams ever did in the playoffs or how many rings he has?He’s like the coach version of charles barkley big mouth but nothing to back it up.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:09 am
GOD I wish I was as cool as Priesttj. Analyze this… FU
October 7th, 2010 at 12:21 am
Man I’m just giving Jerry credit for his masterful analyis. Now we can move on, we have found the enemy and he is us.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Jerry didn’t mention schilens injury. Is he good to go?
October 7th, 2010 at 12:53 am
Chaz needs one more week.
We have got to win this game…………period
If we win it then our lives change dramatically because I think we’ll beat SF. That will bring us to 3-3 with Denver on the horizon. If we can beat Denver we’ll probably be in 2nd place in the division.
I know that’s thinkning way ahead but a win like this can do that. So we’ll see……
October 7th, 2010 at 1:11 am
Marty speaks the inconvenient truth… not that we didn’t know it but still not nice hearing it…
October 7th, 2010 at 1:14 am
It is very frustrating to me that our local media will print an article like this. Ok, so the Raiders embellish an article. Why not write this article AFTER the game?
Your readers want the Raiders to win. Articles like this will usurp the effectiveness of the Raiders ploy to fire up the team.
As a reader, I am completely frustrated, if not disgusted, by the timing of this article.
October 7th, 2010 at 1:21 am
It’s not really embellished, he has said it all at one point and time. As much as I dislike marty, I would take him as a head coach any day.
TJ = John Herrera, why do you feel the need to defend and by defend I mean anything remotely aimed at Al? I know you won’t answer me but you are just annoying.
October 7th, 2010 at 1:22 am
Plunketthead Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
How can you scapegoat Cable
He has no control of roster
No control over his staff
No control over schemes they play
I’m no Cable fan, but get real.
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Even under those circumstances, the HC can still motivate and inspire the team to wins and develop young players. Cable gets a huge F in both those categories.
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Ask any player on the team about Cable and I bet to a man they’re behind him.
October 7th, 2010 at 1:23 am
priesttj Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
So now Jerry’s a pshycotherapist, He knows what the Raiders think about themselves. WOW Jerry when the practice going to open maybe you can do this for all teams and help them with some interspective. So they can understand what’s going on on their team and come to you and have you assist them in solving those sensitive issues.
Great work Jerry!!
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Hey Dude,
If you are going to talk smack about Jerry maybe you should learn how to spell. If not it’s called spell check. Why don’t you talk trash about the Chargers instead? It seems that without Jerry your world would be a lot smaller.
October 7th, 2010 at 2:45 am
The Raiders will find a way to lose again & the usual Bruce vs Campbell debate in here will continue as well as the terrible Cable press conference on how we didnt execute plays & we need to pay more attention to detail b.s. yada yada yada. Its the Raider way. Gota love it! Chargers-38 Raiders-20
October 7th, 2010 at 2:50 am
we should hire Marty… a guy that hates us wiould do wonders ofr us, he would say it how it is… “JC you suck, McClain pull you stuff together, D Step up”
instead its “guys you doing great, we just lost due to minor details, guys you know we are the greatest..
well the raiders players are treated like kindergardeners like they are too frail to handle the truth… well the truth hurts, but its the only way you can change for the better… and the truth is – WE SUCK!
October 7th, 2010 at 3:26 am
Its interesting there is no talk or worry of how healthy Bruce is on here. Im a team guy and love of the emblem and renegade spirit of the raiders of past. We need to know hows Bruce, he s our starter and its about the team now. These guys shouldnt need any talk from marty or anyone. There lack of killer instinct and will.These guys need to understand to wear these colors with pride and make someone pay the price when they make a 1st down or catch. What the freak guys play ball. Were is the nasty guys besides seymour , I actually have a good feeling about this game. And its a make or break the season actually for me.
October 7th, 2010 at 3:55 am
Before all the sheeps like BHP starts bashing Marty, yeah he was bad in playoffs, but the man knew how to win games…
Marty 1984(8gms)-1998 and 2001-2006 coached for 327 games..
Raiders 1984(16gms)-1998 and 2001-2006 a total of 335 games…
Marty won 200.5 of possible 327 games, thats a 0.623 win rate
Raiders won 161 of possible 335 games, thats a 0.480 win rate…
….makes you think huh??
October 7th, 2010 at 3:58 am
Neil b..
who do you play friday? we play Portugal and nancy-boy ronaldo, we send them out of the world cup qualification last time, lets see how it goes this time around =) LOL
October 7th, 2010 at 5:10 am
Ask any player on the team about Cable and I bet to a man they’re behind him.
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Ask any player on the team about Kiffen and I bet to a man they’re behind him.
Players are ALWAYS behind the head coach!
October 7th, 2010 at 5:27 am
BCZ24…
true dat…
btw, were you WoOdSon24 in the early days?
October 7th, 2010 at 5:33 am
It’s time to see what Mike Mitchell or Stevie Brown can do with the starting FS [single deep}job
October 7th, 2010 at 5:34 am
Nah. I just found this place last year, always been bcz24. I have had the moniker since 1999 when I bought my first brand new car (Black Cavalier Z24 = bcz24)… Just never changed it cuz I use it sooooo much.
October 7th, 2010 at 5:35 am
I can’t stand Schottenheimer. He’s whiny, has always hated the Raiders, and never accomplished much. But in the past 20 years, the Raiders haven’t accomplished much either. Schottenheimer’s statements, accurately quoted or not, explain a good deal of the reason why. This team does not finish plays. It doesn’t finish games. It gives up too many penalties (last week notwithstanding). For years, we’ve watched the O and D lines get pushed around by mediocre teams. We’ve seen missed tackles, half-assed coverage, and huge gains by average running backs. Repeatedly. I, for one, am sick of it. It’s nice to see someone the inside is finally sick of it too and is paying attention. You can mock Marty, you can slime Jerry, but every word of what the Schott said is true, and nothing’s going to change until the Raiders do something about it and stop getting pushed around. For all of this team’s warts, the last two games were winnable. So is this week’s game. We’ll see how they respond.
October 7th, 2010 at 5:35 am
Violent Hands Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 5:33 am
It’s time to see what Mike Mitchell or Stevie Brown can do with the starting FS [single deep}job
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Neither could hand the single high safety job. There might be 2 or 3 safeties in the NFL today that could play that role effectively. We REALLY need to just not do that anymore…
October 7th, 2010 at 5:38 am
Bcz24…
fair enough… I guess ‘24′ is the old WoOdSon24, then..
October 7th, 2010 at 5:46 am
I have been a big time Raider fan for many years but Marty Schottenheimer is telling the truth. Ever since the 2003 season, the Raiders always lay down when they got hit in the gut first.
October 7th, 2010 at 5:49 am
RaiderReggie Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 5:46 am
I have been a big time Raider fan for many years but Marty Schottenheimer is telling the truth. Ever since the 2003 season, the Raiders always lay down when they got hit in the gut first.
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Except for about 5-6 years they have been that way since Flores left in what 1983?
October 7th, 2010 at 5:51 am
@ Bcz24
The Raiders have a bunch of 3-4 linebackers in a 4-3 system and zone DB`s playing man-to-man…they have a bunch of power blocking offensive linemen in a zone blocking system.we are set up to lose,so may as well put the best guys out there,im done with Huffy in any scheme
October 7th, 2010 at 5:53 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Beating SD is an FN must!
October 7th, 2010 at 6:02 am
Asked about the Raiders surrendering 249 yards rushing, Schotteheimer said:
“I have always said that I would rather give up an 80-yard touchdown than have them take the ball and drive it 80 yards on you running it because, I promise what happened, if you throw an 80-yard touchdown pass, it’s probably one or two guys involved in the end result for you defensively. Somebody didn’t do their job, blew the coverage, whatever.
“When you have them take the ball and run the ball down the field on you for 80 yards, I’m talking about a sustained drive, what happens to you is that guys start standing around, looking to their right, looking to their left, ‘What’s going wrong? Why aren’t we getting this done?’ All of a sudden, they’re focused more on what’s wrong than what they’re supposed to be doing right.”
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I don’t care what you semi pro’s say
this guy should be our next Head Coach
Al Davis needs to pull the stick out of his butt and pay Marty whatever he wants.
perhaps Marty as GM & Gruden as HC and Davis as payroll clerk & timeout coordinator (can’t be much worse than Cable. right?)
October 7th, 2010 at 6:05 am
It’s time to see what Mike Mitchell or Stevie Brown can do with the starting FS [single deep}job
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LOL @ VH!
you might as well throw Trevor Scott back there …
October 7th, 2010 at 6:06 am
may as well put the best guys out there,im done with Huffy in any scheme
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Huff is one of the best guys. thats why he’s out there
hhhheeeeeellllllllloooooooo
October 7th, 2010 at 6:07 am
gameplan for the Dolts:
punch the Raiders in the mouth to see if they fold
gameplan for the Raiders:
“take the fight to them” as Cable says
October 7th, 2010 at 6:07 am
I want to see some nastiness out of Rolando McClain. He’s got that laid back(JaMarcus Russell) demeanor in which I don’t like for a middle line backer. I want to see some “fire” out of my MLB just like Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis. McClain always talk about he saw all this strong competition at Alabama. Well, somebody need to tell him this is the NFL not Alabama. McClain need to take control of that huddle and bring some heat.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:08 am
Cable said linebacker Trevor Scott has been moved back to weak side linebacker because of the injuries to Quentin Groves (hamstring) and Thomas Howard (knee).
Matt Shaughnessy will become the starter at right end and take a lot more snaps.
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Jhill, run defense solved?
October 7th, 2010 at 6:10 am
I want to see some nastiness out of Rolando McClain. He’s got that laid back(JaMarcus Russell) demeanor in which I don’t like for a middle line backer. I want to see some “fire” out of my MLB just like Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis. McClain always talk about he saw all this strong competition at Alabama. Well, somebody need to tell him this is the NFL not Alabama. McClain need to take control of that huddle and bring some heat.
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Reggie, you make more sense than President Baroke & VP Joe Biten
October 7th, 2010 at 6:13 am
Ultimate respect for Marty Schottenheimer, IMO he is the best NFL coach in this day and age. Too bad he wont touch the raiders, I would love to see him here.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:14 am
“It’s a little strange for them to see me without a diaper on.’’
Bruce Davis = KoolKell?
Beeecham…please clarify
October 7th, 2010 at 6:15 am
Too bad he wont touch the raiders, I would love to see him here.
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4 games each year to play against the teams that fired him: KC & Sandy Eggo
October 7th, 2010 at 6:15 am
THE DAY THE RAIDERS HIRE MARTY WILL BE THE DAY I MAIL MY SSN-TIX BACK.ITS THAT WHOLE DICK VERMIEL, WERE FAMILY,I LOVE U GUYS BS.NO WAY…
October 7th, 2010 at 6:16 am
Marty would never come work for Al. Write that down!
October 7th, 2010 at 6:16 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 6:08 am
Cable said linebacker Trevor Scott has been moved back to weak side linebacker because of the injuries to Quentin Groves (hamstring) and Thomas Howard (knee).
Matt Shaughnessy will become the starter at right end and take a lot more snaps.
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RaiderRockstar, I hope Cable does start Matt Shaughnessy. Everytime that guy is on the field, somthing good happens.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:21 am
THE DAY THE RAIDERS HIRE MARTY WILL BE THE DAY I MAIL MY SSN-TIX BACK.
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are you serious?
I could care less how a coach bonds with his players… win some friggin games man!
October 7th, 2010 at 6:28 am
pardon the rudeness.
Good Morning AM crew!
Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, BCZ, Reggie, Stvvon, VH, LMN, Ghost of DC …
October 7th, 2010 at 6:29 am
The Raiders’ quote simply paraphrased Marty’s quote because it was too long. And the media never embellishes a story? There is no such thing as “reporting” anymore. Everything is an opinion (propaganda) piece.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:31 am
whats up Sparty?
predictions for this weekend?
October 7th, 2010 at 6:34 am
GOOD MORNING ROCKSTAR, RAIDER-NATION.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:36 am
stvvon Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 6:13 am
Ultimate respect for Marty Schottenheimer, IMO he is the best NFL coach in this day and age.
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Yeah, um…
Sean Payton
Mike Tomlin
Tom Coughlin
Tony Dungy
Bill Belichick
Bill Cowher
Know what those guys have done that Marty has never even sniffed?
October 7th, 2010 at 6:36 am
Be back here later, or tomorrow fellas!
Just lost a classmate who also is a dear friend of mine! She was to meet up with me Nov 7th for KC along with several other friends and Ohana of mine!
See you all in a bit! Go Raiders!!!
October 7th, 2010 at 6:38 am
Just lost a classmate who also is a dear friend of mine!
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Hwnrdr, sorry for your loss brother
may the Lord give you strength during this difficult time
October 7th, 2010 at 6:38 am
Shaugnessy as starting end is nothing but a good thing.
Scott actually looked adequate against the run as a linebacker. Still lost against the pass. Better than him getting drive 15 yards off the line of scrimmage by a tackle when playing DE though.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:39 am
My sincerest sympathies Hwnrdr, that’s terrible.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:42 am
Shaugnessy as starting end is nothing but a good thing.
Scott actually looked adequate against the run as a linebacker.
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PA: Agreed
Houston-Kelly-Seymour-ShoNasty
Wimbley-McClain-Scott
very little depth behind this front seven though!
better hope nobody else gets hurt …
October 7th, 2010 at 6:42 am
WILL B IN TOUCH HWNRDR,SYMPATHIES MY FRIEND..
October 7th, 2010 at 6:44 am
DL depth: Bryant
LB depth: Williams, Davis, Brown (hamstring)
October 7th, 2010 at 6:45 am
Sorry for your loss Hwnrdr.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:45 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 6:31 am
whats up Sparty?
predictions for this weekend?
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Doing well, Rocker. Thanks.
Heart says Raiders 31, Chargers 27.
Brain says Chargers 38, Raiders 23
Brain usually wins.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:47 am
RRS, I’m still trying to figure out why they dumped Scott at LB and Shaughnessy at starting end right before Week 1. Made no sense then and makes less sense in retrospect.
Our defensive depth is just brutal, man.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:47 am
I never make predictions,must be the Irish in me.I think it’s bad luck.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:47 am
SAME SCORE AS LAST WEEK. S.D.-31 OAKLAND-24
October 7th, 2010 at 6:49 am
Heart says Raiders 31, Chargers 27.
Brain says Chargers 38, Raiders 23
Brain usually wins.
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TRUTH
I’m going 24-21 Raiders
this whole motivation thing Cable is trying better work, because he advertised us as a playoff team and even the media bought it. if Al Davis thinks he has a playoff calibur roster and we’re 1-5 he may be inclined to take action
if the unbeaten 49ers hand it to us in WK6 he’s definately toast!
October 7th, 2010 at 6:50 am
I like the fact that Shaughnessy will get more playing time. Best playmaker on the D-line.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:51 am
Earlier I predicted San Diego 48, Raiders 23.
I’m feeling more optimistic today, so I’m modifying it. San Diego 44, Raiders 27.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:54 am
The sad thing is that Marty is right on.
How can anyone question what he said? The Raiders haven’t finished anything in a real long time.
Will Marty’s quote motivate the team? I didn’t see much motivation from the defensive front when Houston’s offensive line blew them off the ball play after play after play.
They shouldn’t need much motivation this week, anyway. We’re 1-3 and playing our first division game against a team that has dominated us. It’s a MUST WIN. Any player who isn’t motivated should get another line of work (or a scholarship from Big Al to fill a roster spot for another five years).
October 7th, 2010 at 6:56 am
I agree, Rocker. The good thing about improvement in any endeavor is that it’s rarely ever linear and incremental. Many times, it’s exponential. Sometimes, all it takes is the accomplishment of the unexpected. So, a win on Sunday could accomplish that. Again, heart talking.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:56 am
If our defense plays anything like last week, this could get ugly. The Chargers average 28 points per game. Rivers is one of the most accurate throwers in the NFL and Gates is off to one of the best starts of his career. On the other side of the ball, SD has 15 sacks and 7 INT. The Raiders have 7 sacks and 2 INT. What’s the spread on this game. In all honesty, and as much as it pains me to say it, it should be about 10.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:58 am
I just checked — San Diego -6
October 7th, 2010 at 6:58 am
What is the root of Marty’s virulent hatred towards the Raiders anyway? This guy is almost psychopathic. Like Shanahan, I get the sense that he would beat up his own grandmother if it meant neating the Raiders.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:58 am
The game’s actually on british tv this weekend.Probably watch it though my fingers…..
October 7th, 2010 at 7:00 am
ghosttothepost Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 6:58 am
I just checked — San Diego -6
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Surprised it’s that low. With the injuries to DMac and Henderson, wouldn’t be surprised to see it rise to something like San Diego -8.5
October 7th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Having Shaughnessy start should help our run defense. He should have been starting all along.
Too bad about losing Henderson, though.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:02 am
Marty’s hatred is born of the same seed as all the Raider Haters out there. When the Raiders were good, they were Bad Boys. Not only that, they were cocky, arrogant, pompous and swaggering. They did it there way — and it worked. It was beautiful. So you either hated it or loved it. Most of the hate was born of jealousy.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:03 am
Speaking of psychos, I think if we can frustrate Rivers enough to the point where he’s going off on teammates, we might have a chance. That means we’re getting a good pass rush, but we really haven’t seen that since the pre-season.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:04 am
Yeah, S&B PA, at first glance that -6 spread is awfully appealing. But, maybe it’s a Vegas trap game. Even in the worst of times, the Raiders seem to play well against Sandy Eggo.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:05 am
Good post Ghost. You’re right. I now recall that Marty was a marginal player on some bad teams – the Browns if I’m not mistaken.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:06 am
that’s true Spartacus, the Raiders looked like they had a promising pass rush in preseason, but once the game’s counted it’s been below average. I’d red dog (old school slang) the heck out of Rivers on Sunday. See if you can rattle the little snot-nosed b*i*t*c*h.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Line should be closer to 14. If we put the defensive effort in that we put in last week we are going to get torched…. San Diego is only allowing 10 pts a game (28 of their pts allowed were by the opposing defense/special teams) anybody think we can beat them scoring only 10 points?
If I am being real, I think SD wins 41-6. Grads injured in the first half and JC makes JRussell look like a stud.
Ahhh… now back to the kool-aid sippin’ motivational speech reading. Go Raiders!
October 7th, 2010 at 7:12 am
ghosttothepost Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 7:02 am
Marty’s hatred is born of the same seed as all the Raider Haters out there. When the Raiders were good, they were Bad Boys. Not only that, they were cocky, arrogant, pompous and swaggering. They did it there way — and it worked. It was beautiful. So you either hated it or loved it. Most of the hate was born of jealousy.
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The Autumn Wind was a Raider…
October 7th, 2010 at 7:12 am
Ghost, that’s a good stratgey. But Rivers is good. If he beats our blitzes early, we’ll foresake the blitz and then he’ll have all day to pick us apart. And then they’ll pound the ball and demoralize us further. And Marty will be right again.
Damn, I gotta stop depressing myself already – it’s only Thursday!!
October 7th, 2010 at 7:13 am
“Let them hate us as long as they fear us”
October 7th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Why does Marty hate the Raiders? There could be only one reason: Al must have done something to him.
All the real Raider haters in the world of pro football say they were crossed by Davis at some point.
Someone should ask Marty.
It is ironic that Marty talks about the Raiders not finishing when the guy was the worst post-season coach in history. He had the best team in the NFL during the mid-90s and never made an AFC title game.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:17 am
Anything could happen between now and Sunday.Rivers could do his hammy in training…….
October 7th, 2010 at 7:18 am
WAS — key word Bcz24
I think they should make every current Raider watch highlight clips of the old, bold Raiders. In other words, this is what it takes to wear the Silver & Black. Anything less is just not good enough. Is that asking too much? Even if the team’s not talented enough anymore, at least punch some people in the mouth. Show some passion on the hallowed grounds of the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum. You young Raiders fans have no idea what it was like in those early days of the Raiders. It was so fun it was surreal.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:18 am
Why does Marty hate the Raiders?
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‘Cause he doesn’t have a ring.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:18 am
# I am Spartacus Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 6:50 am
I like the fact that Shaughnessy will get more playing time. Best playmaker on the D-line.
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yup, and scott as WLB is great news too… and against a passhappy SD it wont be a bad thing either…
October 7th, 2010 at 7:18 am
Surprised it’s that low. With the injuries to DMac and Henderson, wouldn’t be surprised to see it rise to something like San Diego -8.5
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Vegas hates to have road teams ever lay more than a TD.
It should stay between 6 and 6.5, and if it goes to 7, they will adjust the payout to give you less for taking the Raiders +7 at home.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Real class act by Shannahan, having Grbac throw a ball at Al Davis.
If Mike was so hell-bent on doing this, why not throw it himself? Instead he has his backup QB do it?
Complete chick$hat IMO.
(No suprise, that Grbac’s pass fell “incomplete”)
October 7th, 2010 at 7:20 am
RaiderfanNY — Dude, I love anybody from NY who’s a Raiders fan. I mean, the friggin’ over-hyped Giants and Jets, pleeeeeease! And don’t get me started on how much I hate the New York Yank-0ffs.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:20 am
RaiderfanNY – perhaps Marty would have done better in the playoffs if his motivational ploys used against the Raiders could have been extended to other opponents. Marty’s hatred of Al is pathological.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:22 am
WAS — key word Bcz24
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Exactly why I typed it that way. Youtube “The Autumn Wind” and watch some of the videos. I do it once a week to remind me of why I love the Raiders LOL
October 7th, 2010 at 7:23 am
JFB, seems you and I share mutual respect for that Rat-Faced bastard Shanahan. I love when they show him on the sidelines when things aren’t going well. You can just see his little friggin whiskers twitching.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:23 am
seems like i should re-post this…
# La Milicia Negra Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 3:55 am
Before all the sheeps like BHP starts bashing Marty, yeah he was bad in playoffs, but the man knew how to win games…
Marty 1984(8gms)-1998 and 2001-2006 coached for 327 games..
Raiders 1984(16gms)-1998 and 2001-2006 a total of 335 games…
Marty won 200.5 of possible 327 games, thats a 0.623 win rate
Raiders won 161 of possible 335 games, thats a 0.480 win rate…
….makes you think huh??
October 7th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Let’s Go Giants, clap-clap-clapclapclap!!
Let’s Go Giants, clap-clap-clapclapclap!!
Huge game for Big-Time Timmy Jim tonight.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:26 am
My hate for Shanahan borders on psychotic. I mean, if God gave this guy two choices: 1. Save his Mom from dying from cancer; or 2. Beat the Raiders; he’d choose #2 without blinking an eyelash.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Hey, JFB. Isn’t there a SF Giants chat room.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:28 am
We hate Marty because he’s good. Nothing is more galling than that.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:28 am
and by the way, good luck to anybody in the NL getting past the Phillies.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Philip Rivers only needed to throw the ball 20 times last week (the team rushed for 38/180/2 vs. the Cardinals), but he made his attempts count with 15/20 for 241 yards, two TDs and zero interceptions. Antonio Gates was a monster last week with seven catches for 144 yards and 2 TD’s during the 41-10 thrashing of Arizona. Malcom Floyd had 2 catches for 45 yards. Jacob Hester had 3 catches for 40 yards. So far this year, Rivers continues to be one of the elite NFL QBs throwing for 1,328 yards on 88/141 and nine TDs and four interceptions thrown.
The Raiders’ D is one of seven NFL defenses to allow over 100 points in their first four games – Oakland has coughed up 107 points to open 2010. Though they don’t tend to give up many passing yards (mostly because their rush D is so bad people don’t need to throw the ball a lot), with an average of 143.8 net yards allowed per game, they have coughed up eight passing scores so far this year (tied for second-most in the NFL), and have just two interceptions and seven sacks. Matt Schaub (without Andre Johnson) did better than usual vs. Oakland last week, with 16/29 for 192 net yards, two TDs and zero interceptions thrown. Oakland had zero sacks and zero other QB hits last week.
Rivers and company field one of the five best passing attacks in the NFL, while the generous Raiders are in the bottom ten when it comes to points allowed, and they don’t generate much in the way of pass pressure up front or in the secondary. This is a good matchup for Rivers and company – given the poor play of the defensive front, the Chargers are likely to run the ball on their divisional rivals quite a bit, limiting the amount of balls Rivers will need to put in the air.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:28 am
marty should know alot about not finishing the drive the chargers 12-4 and 14-2 no superbowl the raiders (3) finish that.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:28 am
# ghosttothepost Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 7:26 am
My hate for Shanahan borders on psychotic. I mean, if God gave this guy two choices: 1. Save his Mom from dying from cancer; or 2. Beat the Raiders; he’d choose #2 without blinking an eyelash.
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I guess thats exactly what you want in a coach… we are fine with losing, and smacking around our assistant coaches…
October 7th, 2010 at 7:29 am
Bruce Gradkowski has thrown for progressively more yardage each week he’s been active, with 17/34 for 255 yards, one TD and one interception in his first start two weeks ago (at Arizona) and then 24/39 for 278 yards, two TDs and two interceptions last week vs. Houston. During the two weeks he’s started, Gradkowski most often targets Zach Miller (22 for 15/186/2), followed by Darrius Heyward-Bey (16 for 4/51/0), Louis Murphy (13 for 6/124/0) and Darren McFadden (10 for 8/99/0).
The Chargers’ pass D is ranked fourth in the NFL, averaging just 155.2 net yards allowed per game, with only three passing TDs handed over vs. seven interceptions (tied for second in the NFL) and 15 sacks generated (fourth in the NFL). Arizona was limited to 15/28 for 77 net yards, zero TDs and two interceptions by the Chargers last week; Matt Hasselbeck managed 19/32 for 203 net yards, one TD and one interception two weeks ago. Entering October, the Chargers’ defense is playing excellently in this phase of the game.
Gradkowski and company have been ramping up their production, but they have a very tough divisional matchup ahead of them this week – advantage, San Diego.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:31 am
San Diego bounced back and clobbered Arizona last week after their upset loss to Seattle two weeks ago – they posted 38/180/2 rushing en route to a 41-10 shellacking of the Cardinals. Mike Tolbert led the way last week with 16/100/1 rushing, while Ryan Mathews worked his way back into the mix at RB with 9/55/1 rushing and 1/13/0 receiving (he’s returning from an ankle sprain). Darren Sproles handled 6/17/0 rushing in his change-of-pace role. ‘I’m committed to Ryan being our starting back, and he showed why,’ head coach Norv Turner said after the game. ‘The right thing today was to start with Michael. He was going good, and Ryan gave them a little changeup.’ Mathews commented ‘It is my (third) game. I’ve still got a lot to learn. The more experience you get, the better you get. You can tell a guy like Gates, he’s awesome, all those catches like it’s nothing. It’s because he knows the game so well.’ We’ll see what the mix looks like going forwards; so far this year Tolbert has 51/281/3 rushing and 6/33/0 receiving to his credit, while Mathews has posted 33/156/1 rushing and 4/44/0 receiving through three appearances.
The Raiders’ rush D has collapsed entering October. They coughed up 36/249/2 to the Texans last week, and allowed 26/119/0 rushing to the Cardinals’ under-strength squad two weeks ago. To date, the Raiders average 162 rushing yards allowed per game (31st in the NFL) and have allowed five rushing TDs through four games.
The Chargers’ have a nice 1-2-3 combination with Tolbert, Mathews and Sproles, while the Raiders have been regressing in this phase of the game lately and were really blown out in week four. Advantage, San Diego.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:32 am
Marty is the best regular season coach in the NFL. But his postseason record is 5-13. So, he’s not that good.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:32 am
# ogeezy Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 7:28 am
marty should know alot about not finishing the drive the chargers 12-4 and 14-2 no superbowl the raiders (3) finish that.
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well lately we have even found a wayto get started, so I dont think I will talk much about what trophies we got, how many divisions have we won in the last 20 years????
October 7th, 2010 at 7:32 am
but he is better than cable but dont kick us when we are down “marty” you need a job we are about to have one dc come show us how to finish plays
October 7th, 2010 at 7:33 am
First off, Darren McFadden has injured a hamstring (again) – he was spotted moving rather stiffly through the locker room Monday, Oct. 4, and although McFadden said he was feeling all right, he didn’t appear all right according to local reports. McFadden missed about three weeks of action during training camp with a hamstring injury – he’s looking pretty iffy to play in week five. That means Michael Bush, who just finished rehabbing a broken thumb, will likely get a lot of work vs. San Diego this week. Bush posted 3/13/0 rushing in his first game back (week three at Arizona), and then cranked out 7/40/1 rushing with 2/16/0 receiving vs. Houston last week. Last year, he ran up 123/589/3 rushing and 17/105/0 receiving in a part-time role for the Raiders.
The Chargers’ rush D isn’t in the top five this year, but they’re close at seventh in the NFL averaging 80.2 rushing yards allowed per game, with just one rushing TD given up over four games. Seattle was limited to 21/68/0 two weeks ago, and Arizona was held to 14/47/0 rushing at San Diego last week.
Bush is getting back up to speed, but he has a tough divisional matchup to handle this week.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Doesn’t matter what weapons the Raiders have,the Chargers are going to control the game because we can’t stop the run.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:37 am
mornin’ nation,
you got it right in post #74 gttp, the raiders have ALWAYS been the bad boys, a reflection of their owner..
October 7th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Michael Bush – OAK – With Darren McFadden nursing a hamstring along, Michael Bush looks like a good bet to handle the bulk of the Raiders touches in the backfield this week against the Chargers. San Diego’s defense has been surprisingly productive this year, despite playing without Shawne Merriman and Larry English. Bush just returned to the field in Week 3 himself, but last week he took over for McFadden to finish the game for the Raiders. He ran seven times for 40 yards, scored a TD and caught two balls for 16 yards. Bush played in both games against the Chargers last year, for what it’s worth. In those games, he produced 59 yards and a TD on 13 touches while splitting touches with McFadden (17-68-0, 2-25-0) in Week 1, and in Week 8, he combined for 41 yards on 9 touches while playing second fiddle to Justin Fargas (18-59-1, 3-20-0). If McFadden is inactive, as expected, then Bush should be in line for 20 to 25 touches, at a minimum. Expect about 80 to 100 yards with an outside chance of scoring a TD.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:38 am
neilb Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Doesn’t matter what weapons the Raiders have,the Chargers are going to control the game because we can’t stop the run.
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So embarrasingly true.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:42 am
Big Banana,
Put me in for:
Raiders 31
SD 20
SD opened here +5, changed to +6 on Tuesday. We need ST’s to wake up this week, we’re leaving points on the field that we could really use.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:43 am
That time again…
Have a great Thursday everyone.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:46 am
the raiders have ALWAYS been the bad boys, a reflection of their owner..
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Indeed the Raiders have always been a reflection of their owner. Back when Davis was a sharp football mind, they were a dominant franchise.
Now they’re a pathetic husk of their former glory, a shadow team that gets pushed around by other teams nearly at will.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:46 am
during the span Marty has coached, he won 8 division titles…
‘85, ‘86, ‘87, ‘93, ‘97, ‘04, ‘06… (he was out of the game in 1999 and 2000)
21 seasons and 8 division titles..
in that span we won only 5.. FIVE!!!
‘85, ‘90, ‘00, ‘01, ‘02
in 40 years we have 12 titles.. half of them in one decade alone…
October 7th, 2010 at 7:50 am
good morning Jimbo!
hard truth to swallow this AM bro
October 7th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Marty ball in silver & black!?!?!? Im gonna puke!!!!!! No thanks, i like the idea of a new coach for 2011, but lets do it the raider way. A young up & coming guy that is not on the radar, but has a solid offensive or defensive resume! We dont need any retreads, espicially our mortal enemy rottenhiemer!
October 7th, 2010 at 7:50 am
I’m just a semi-pro blogger, but here’s my defensive gameplan:
I would actually limit TScott’s playing time. Instead I’d play mostly with MM34 as a hybrid safety/linebacker with orders to spy on the running backs either when they carry or get passes thrown their way. I’d have Branch play in the box most of the time to further help stuff the run.
I’d put Nnamdi on Gates, since there’s no Vincent Jackson to worry about.
Routt and CJ37 can cover Floyd and Naanee.
Then I’d tell Wimbley his one and only duty is to pin his ears back and go for Rivers constantly on damn near every play.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:52 am
I’m just a semi-pro blogger, but here’s my defensive gameplan:
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i like it!
go PA!
October 7th, 2010 at 7:52 am
The plan involves some risk, since Huff would be out most of the time (otherwise there’d be 12 men on the field) thus leaving Routt and Johnson almost exclusively playing one-on-one man press, but Huff is useless anyway these days.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:53 am
im not advocating for Marty to be a raider… I jsut would like a coach that actually could get us over the 8-8 bump… first going to happen when my hair is gray..
October 7th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Is Ryan Mathews back to work this week? His injury absence may be the reason SD has been so “pass happy”. SD is ranked #1 in offense (total yards gained) and #2 in defense (total yards allowed). Hope “heart” trumps “brain”.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Down here in SD. That time of year again when all my friends want to make bets. I thought this year might be the year, but I am not too sure. I am sick of having to wear a Charger jersey to work all day. So no wagers for me.
I hope they don’t rely on words to get them fired up. Usually if you need that you are not a very good team to begin with. They should be playing for their own pride and respect. Because down here the Raiders are considered a joke. A punch line that everyone uses down here on every Monday morning.
I hope they come out pissed and not by what other people are saying about them. But what they see when they look in the mirror.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:55 am
However, you’re talking about the Chargers having 2 WR’s, TE and possibly 2 RB’s on the field
the Raiders would have 3 CB’s and 3 S’s on the field in that formation with Asomugha, Johnson, Routt, Branch, Huff & Mitchell
heavy pressure on Tawny Kelly & RoBust to stuff the run, don’t you think ???
October 7th, 2010 at 7:56 am
RRS,
It’d look like this:
Dline of Houston-Kelly-Seymour-Shonasty
McClain & Wimbley as LBs
Mitchell playing a hybrid LB/S
Branch as hybrid SS/FS, depending on the situation
Nnamdi, CJ and Routt as corners.
October 7th, 2010 at 7:57 am
The plan involves some risk, since Huff would be out most of the time
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so you’re talking about Johnson or Asomugha playing FS in place of Huff ???
you must be if Mitch is at WLB in your scenario …
October 7th, 2010 at 7:57 am
Here’s some hard truth that’s really hard to swallow — most of the Raiders criticism has fallen on their offense during the last eight seasons, but the Raiders best overall defensive rank since 2003 is 24th, and that includes four seasons ranked in the bottom 4 for the entire league … how is it possible to keep fielding such a putrid defense year after year?
October 7th, 2010 at 7:57 am
With Mitchell keying on the RBs all the time and Nnamdi covering the TE (usually a job for a LB or SS), Branch could cheat up or back, depending on the situation.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:00 am
PA: Tyvon Branch has been WAY worse than Huff in both run & pass plays through 4 games this season …
he’s getting exposed at SS. Rivers would have a field day with him at FS (even on occasion)
October 7th, 2010 at 8:01 am
RRS,
I see your point. Then sub in Huff for Branch.
Sorta like picking between cyanide and arsenic isn’t it?
October 7th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Huff can shut down Gates.
Have Nnamdi shadow Malcolm Floyd and Routt on Legadoo Nanny …
Branch in the box
the front seven on D just has to play better. period
October 7th, 2010 at 8:03 am
RRS, you really think Huff can shut down Gates? I don’t know, man…
October 7th, 2010 at 8:03 am
Poor Raiders defense was a product of horrible offense. Defense consistently worn down by 2nd half. Try playing defense when you’re on the field constantly because offense put you in a hole.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:04 am
But RR — the front seven has just needed to play better for the last eight seasons — are they going to wake up on Sunday and actually do it … unfortunately, I don’t think so
October 7th, 2010 at 8:04 am
Branch should cheat right off the field. He has been terrible!
October 7th, 2010 at 8:04 am
basically the only changes being made to get ready for Sandy Eggo are TScott at WLB and ShoNasty as a full-time DE
that alone isn’t going to transform a 31st ranked defense to Top 15!
so guys like Seymour, Kelly, McClain & Branch are really gonna have to step it up and stuff the run this week. plain & simple. no excuses
October 7th, 2010 at 8:05 am
RR — if only
October 7th, 2010 at 8:06 am
Huff shut down Gates!!!????? No way! He wimps out at taking on 200 pounders. Gates would go body-control on nearly every pass and run over Huff (who would make a lame effort at an arm-tackle).
October 7th, 2010 at 8:09 am
you really think Huff can shut down Gates? I don’t know, man
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Huff spent 2 full seasons at SS and was assigned to cover the league’s best TE’s Gates & Gonzalez. even Scheffler was pretty good. he did a darn good job
we switched it up one time and had N21 shadow Tony Gonzo and Nnamdi got abused. Tony posted him up and pulled em down like rebounds. Branch can’t cover TE’s either
let Huff have the job. he’s the only proven commodity to shut down TE’s and Gates happens to be Rivers favorite target
October 7th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Good news is Tolbert and Matthews are NOT Foster or CJ2K… (CJ1.2K after this year)
October 7th, 2010 at 8:09 am
with the defense against the run just as awful as it’s been for the last seven seasons, I have to believe there is something fundamentally wrong here … this coaching staff and the players marked stopping the run as No. 1 priority in the off-season … and they still suck? … something’s wrong here … is it attitude? … or has all the lack of success just turned into a cancer that is eating this team from the inside out … how do you stop the bleeding? … it’s like trying to cover up a shotgun would with a Scooby Doo Band Aid
October 7th, 2010 at 8:11 am
wound (not would) typo
October 7th, 2010 at 8:11 am
we switched it up one time and had N21 shadow Tony Gonzo and Nnamdi got abused. Tony posted him up and pulled em down like rebounds. Branch can’t cover TE’s either
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Yup Nnam isnt so good inside. First few years when he played the slot he was no better than Routt.
I remember that game against KC. Gonzo had something ridiculous like 9 catchs 100+ yds and 2 TDs…
October 7th, 2010 at 8:12 am
the front seven has just needed to play better for the last eight seasons — are they going to wake up on Sunday and actually do it … unfortunately, I don’t think so
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Ghost: we’re running out of options man
Al Davis was hellbent on making 3 tech guys handle the load in the middle. Kelly/Seymour/McClain are probably the highest paid trio of two DT’s and a MLB in the league and we’re 31st against the run
would have made much more sense to draft a nose tackle this offseason, force TK into a pay reduction and leave Seymour at DE
but what do I know ???
October 7th, 2010 at 8:12 am
Mike Huff spent two years at SS with (almost) EVERYONE screaming about how terrible he was and didn’t have the size or cojones to play SS and needed to be moved to FS or corner.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:14 am
Gates would go body-control on nearly every pass and run over Huff (who would make a lame effort at an arm-tackle).
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Frank,
you’re assuming Gates #1 is open and #2 catches the ball
October 7th, 2010 at 8:15 am
Frank,
why do you people only judge Huff based upon run support and fail to realize that he’s a very good cover guy ???
thats why Huff belongs at FS and I’ve said that since the day we drafted him!
October 7th, 2010 at 8:16 am
you’re assuming Gates #1 is open and #2 catches the ball
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Which happens to be pretty much as safe as assuming #1 nights are dark and #2 they happen everyday!
October 7th, 2010 at 8:16 am
Yeah RR — we’re running out of options — and we’re also running out of time to salvage another season that appears headed to the hell that is 4-12 or 3-13 … I agree, it’s now or never — but I’ve been saying that for 8 seasons now …
October 7th, 2010 at 8:17 am
I am starting to wonder if “now” is ever going to happen again
October 7th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Yes, Huff has one talent…he can cover TEs…gee, too bad Huff isn’t a LB. Can’t cover WRs or tackle, but boy he really can cover those TEs!
October 7th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Which happens to be pretty much as safe as assuming #1 nights are dark and #2 they happen everyday!
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BCZ,
I know that Gates is a beast, alright?
Huff is our best option. probably our only option
October 7th, 2010 at 8:18 am
why do you people only judge Huff based upon run support and fail to realize that he’s a very good cover guy ???
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Cuz we cant stop the run so his coverage skills are meaningless. Oh and cuz he cant tackle.
Romac could set up a lawn chair and umbrella in the middle of the field and it wouldnt make me any less mad that huff cant tackle and branch is always chasing someone from behind.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:20 am
Ghost:
Re 142…. Scheme has a lot to do with giving up large chunks.. For example, IMO the reason we got pounded by Titans was failure to attack off the edges and keep VY in the pocket. Would have limited his options and hampered his mobility (he is best on the run). The other is attitude. We saw T Kelly come out fired up one preseason game and created havoc with pressure up the middle on both run and pass plays. When did you last see that intensity and beastly attitude from ANYONE on the defensive side of the ball. Talent is on the field. Coaching, discipline and motivation are lacking.
The ONLY way we beat San Diego is out-and-out insane passion and will to win. “Get out there and hurt somebody”.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Cuz we cant stop the run so his coverage skills are meaningless.
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it takes 11 guys to stop the run.
and there at AT LEAST 8 guys more responsible for stuffing it before the team’s free safety
Huff isn’t the root cause of this bad run defense. Instead of watching Huff on the Youtube or ESPN highlights why don’t you watch the front seven or SS on those big gains ???
what are those guys doing ???
October 7th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Here’s the bottom line on this game Sunday — Let’s face it: This is a must-win game … The Raiders need to make a statement. That need to smash the Chargers in the mouth for even thinking they could dominate them on their own turf … they need to show some real pride and poise .. each man on the team needs to defeat the man in front of them … that’s how you win football games … all the rest if just BS … Do your job, beat your man and that equals victory … anything less, I’m just sick of hearing about … OUT
October 7th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Well, if they don’t win on Sunday it will more than likely be a carbon copy of what we have been going through for what seems like forever.
No more moral victories, no more “we hung in there”, no more “the guys played hard”. Those are excuses for losers. And it’s what’s been going on for 8 years.
This isn’t Pop Warner, “hey johhny, it’s ok you fumbled, that bully mowed you over and you ran the wrong way. We’ll get them next time, Mommy and Daddy love you! Here are some orange slices and after the game we’ll get some ice cream and go see Toy Story 3″
Such a joke.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:25 am
play Mitchell & Branch at safety. guaranteed Rivers throws for 350+ and 3 TD’s
play Huff & Branch at safety. the front 7 gets it done and you don’t even notice these guys exist on running plays!
like I said to Ghost, the team just has to play better.
it’s Tom Cable’s job to motivate them. if we come out flat and get blown out … he may be out of a job
October 7th, 2010 at 8:26 am
Morilla, LOL … this team plays like a bunch of little boys who didn’t get enough love from mommy … funny stuff
October 7th, 2010 at 8:27 am
Exactly right on 156 RR. I see our D Line and backers trying to work together. But I don’t see them “attacking” the offense. They take on a block and move with the offensive player….and they FLOW to the ball rather than every man giveing me 4 seconds of EVERYTHING he has on EVERY play.
FOUR LOUSY SECONDS AT A TIME!!!!
October 7th, 2010 at 8:27 am
Never said Huff WAS the root cause. Takes 11 guys to stop the run (just quoting you) why do you blame a rookie 4 games in to his career for not stopping the run? Same concept dude.
At the end of the day we still cant stop the run, we are still spotting other teams 2+ score leads, we still cant force turnovers, and we are still caving when we get punched in the mouth.
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October 7th, 2010 at 8:30 am
Huff CAN tackle.
Huff WON’T tackle.
He can cover.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:31 am
if they had any huevos, they would never — and I repeat never — let anybody push them around (like Houston last week) on their own field … that just never happened pre-2003 … never, and if it ever did, boy would their be hell to pay … but there’s no accountability on this team … listen to interviews after the games … “oh, we played pretty good. a couple of missed plays here and there cost us” … over and over again, the same crap … if I were the Raiders I would not grant another interview until the team proves it’s worthy of being interviewed … shut up and go to work
October 7th, 2010 at 8:35 am
Takes 11 guys to stop the run (just quoting you) why do you blame a rookie 4 games in to his career for not stopping the run? Same concept dude
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BCZ, the only reason we drafted ROMAC was to have a better run defense and it’s actually worse
blame it on being a rookie if you wish …
I hope he plays better this week. we all do!
October 7th, 2010 at 8:35 am
if I were the Raiders I would not grant another interview until the team proves it’s worthy of being interviewed … shut up and go to work
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NFL mandates face time by the coaching staff unfortunately.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:36 am
I don’t think anybody expects a free safety to be a dominant force against the run … just to make a tackle when the first 8 guys get blown out of the water
Right?
October 7th, 2010 at 8:37 am
BCZ, the only reason we drafted ROMAC was to have a better run defense and it’s actually worse
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Sample size is too small to say that for certain. They could drastically improve by the…
LMAO. Nevermind
October 7th, 2010 at 8:38 am
Sample size is too small to say that for certain. They could drastically improve by the…
LMAO. Nevermind
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fair enough
we’ve seen enough of that debate (for this week)
October 7th, 2010 at 8:38 am
167: Ask D Woodson or G Atkinson their opinions on that………………….
October 7th, 2010 at 8:38 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 8:36 am
I don’t think anybody expects a free safety to be a dominant force against the run … just to make a tackle when the first 8 guys get blown out of the water
Right?
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Pretty much. Huff really isnt on my radar too much, I was just getting you riled up. Branch is a much bigger concern to me. He bites on every play fake and gets torched, and when they actually do run he whiffs in the hole and leave no one back to stop them.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:40 am
My vote for our coach next year… Al Pacino
You DO what ya FCKN TOLD!!!
October 7th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Branch is a much bigger concern to me. He bites on every play fake and gets torched, and when they actually do run he whiffs in the hole and leave no one back to stop them
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thats what Jhill & Mistic were saying this week in “film” review …
October 7th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Raiders 27 – 21
Go Raiders!
October 7th, 2010 at 8:43 am
#115, my point exactly snbpa.. what you see is what you get..it is why i don’t get the raider bashers on here.. i
October 7th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Dude Branch has been AWFUL this year. Absolutely dreadful. He knows it too and its getting into his head. I think he needs to sit a week or two and get his mind right.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Ted,
you’ve been the eternal optimist this week following that loss to the Texans … are you dating a Houston Texans cheerleader or something ???
any Kool-Aid for this match up against Sandy Eggo?
October 7th, 2010 at 8:43 am
OOPs. Guess I shoulda put what I just said in quotes……methinks the mod never saw the movie I quoted….and is upset right now!
October 7th, 2010 at 8:44 am
Football is a game of inches… well with the raiders its a game of miles…. We should start grading our Run D on how many Miles they allow.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:45 am
What did ya quote? I didnt even see it
October 7th, 2010 at 8:46 am
are Hue & Bruce gonna keep force feeding these sophomore WR’s the ball?
they are injured and they can’t catch!
I’d like to see Higgins play more WR and I’m sure you people would like to see him play less PR (can Jacoby Ford return punts?)
October 7th, 2010 at 8:49 am
Id like to see DHB try to return a punt. Mr World Class Speed…
Higgens needs more reps, but you know as well as I do that he isnt putting DHB or Murph on the bench, and we still cant protect well enough to consistantly put 3 wide out there. Also like to see Ford get a chance at WR. I think given the same number of reps he would get easily twice as many catches as DHB
October 7th, 2010 at 8:50 am
do you guys realize that the only healthy depth we have on the front seven is Desmond Bryant & Sam Williams ???
we are 2 hamstring pulls away from these guys being starters!
Is it time to cut Nick Miller & Hiram Eugene yet?
scholarships must end!
bring up Kellen Heard from the practice squad and re-sign William Joseph.
Seymour still has a gimpy hammy too
October 7th, 2010 at 9:03 am
DHB returning punts = two turnovers per game (that is if our D can force a punt)
October 7th, 2010 at 9:04 am
be more comfortable watching DHB return kickoffs…those seem easier to handle, and if he drops it, he should have time to cover it up….dropping punts usually results in turnovers.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:08 am
I think DHB, as JFB has pointed out, is ok making a catch when hes stopped or moving slowly facing the ball. But yeah give he a shot a KR too… wtf make a gd play already!
October 7th, 2010 at 9:14 am
I ave a bad feeling for this game like Dakota did after last weeks FF. lol
October 7th, 2010 at 9:14 am
that’s have
October 7th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Getting ready for this Sunday’s Charger game is like a cancer patient getting ready for chemo. It’s gonna be painful, and it’s gonna get worse before it gets better.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:18 am
But on the bright side, I was able to pickup the Charger defense in my fantasy league!
October 7th, 2010 at 9:19 am
October 7th, 2010 at 5:35 am
I can’t stand Schottenheimer. He’s whiny, has always hated the Raiders, and never accomplished much. But in the past 20 years, the Raiders haven’t accomplished much either. Schottenheimer’s statements, accurately quoted or not, explain a good deal of the reason why. This team does not finish plays. It doesn’t finish games. It gives up too many penalties (last week notwithstanding). For years, we’ve watched the O and D lines get pushed around by mediocre teams. We’ve seen missed tackles, half-assed coverage, and huge gains by average running backs. Repeatedly. I, for one, am sick of it. It’s nice to see someone the inside is finally sick of it too and is paying attention. You can mock Marty, you can slime Jerry, but every word of what the Schott said is true, and nothing’s going to change until the Raiders do something about it and stop getting pushed around. For all of this team’s warts, the last two games were winnable. So is this week’s game. We’ll see how they respond.
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Amen!!!
October 7th, 2010 at 9:19 am
I’m a bit surprised the line hasn’t moved with all the injuries the Raiders have.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Dakota, they have CSI, CSI Miami etc. With the popularity of Pawn Shop Las Vegas, how about Pawn Shop Hot Springs?
October 7th, 2010 at 9:23 am
But on the bright side, I was able to pickup the Charger defense in my fantasy league!
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LOL!
I tried to pick up Shaun Hill as you suggested, but he was already taken
it’s either Josh Freeman or Seneca Wallace in the FA pool … think i’ll roll with Freeman 2-1 coming off the bye week
October 7th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Regarding Jerry’s Shottenheimer slam. It’s embarrasing that this organization would have anything to do with outside criticism toward the Raiders.
Paid professionals don’t need bulletin board reading material to motivate them. Professionals understand the reason they have a job. To execute the job according to the bosses instructions.
If my boss aired out a bad perforamance appraisal at the company bulletin board, I would quickly be looking for a job. That would motivate me to work less for him and try like hell to get out.
This latest Jerry post is another indication of the lost season we are in, and the dysfunction that the organization cannot get out of.
There are a lot of true professionals on this team. It only takes a couple handfuls of guys that mail it in to make the entire roster look like losers.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 9:23 am
But on the bright side, I was able to pickup the Charger defense in my fantasy league!
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LOL!
I tried to pick up Shaun Hill as you suggested, but he was already taken
it’s either Josh Freeman or Seneca Wallace in the FA pool … think i’ll roll with Freeman 2-1 coming off the bye week
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I picked up Shaun Hill, even though I already have Romo and Vick. Just to keep him from the Eli owner…
October 7th, 2010 at 9:28 am
I have a bad feeling for this game like Dakota did after last weeks FF. lol
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Exla & Dakota:
Plunk is gonna have a field day against my FF team!
Mendenhall & Ronnie Brown on the bye week and Pierre Thomas injured
I think my running backs are Brandon Jacobs & Jonathan Stewart now, LOL
it’s bad enough that I have a WR Corps of Steve Smith (NY), Derrick Mason, Kenny Britt & Mike Williams!
Plunketthead will get BLOWOUT of the week unless Aaron Rodgers carries my team
October 7th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Im starting Tolbert and Gates this week in my money league. Im the only remaining undefeated team. If I win this week I will have beaten my entire division already. Heres what I am looking at (I feel confident)
Me:
Brees, Forte, Tolbert, Wayne, Clayton, Gates, Seabass (dont lose points for misses, so he is pretty good) and ATL defense
Him:
Ryan, Peterson, Foster, Fitzgerald, Ochocinco, Celek, Crosby, and NO defense
October 7th, 2010 at 9:31 am
it’s either Josh Freeman or Seneca Wallace in the FA pool … think i’ll roll with Freeman 2-1 coming off the bye week
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Think about Fitzpatrick of Buffalo. Seriously, he has a good matchup against JAX.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:31 am
R.R., I just need to get past N.O.’s bye week. I have been sitting on Reggie Bush to get me into the playoffs. I hope it works.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Im starting Tolbert and Gates this week in my money league. Im the only remaining undefeated team. If I win this week I will have beaten my entire division already. Heres what I am looking at (I feel confident)
Me:
Brees, Forte, Tolbert, Wayne, Clayton, Gates, Seabass (dont lose points for misses, so he is pretty good) and ATL defense
Him:
Ryan, Peterson, Foster, Fitzgerald, Ochocinco, Celek, Crosby, and NO defense
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Good luck with that lineup. Remember that it looks more and more likely that Mathews is up to full speed. Tolbert is kinda risky. Gates will be a monster.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:38 am
I wandered over to the BR, and I saw this article and the title sounds like a Cable apologist, but after reading, it just pisses me off more at Cable.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/484461-oakland-raiders-is-the-losing-really-all-tom-cables-fault
October 7th, 2010 at 9:38 am
The interesting thing about the embellishment of Schottenheimer interview Wednesday isn’t that it gives any insight of what he thinks.
It’s that it tells how the Raiders view themselves.
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Good take Jerry and so true.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Think about Fitzpatrick of Buffalo. Seriously, he has a good matchup against JAX.
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he’s gone too!
seriously. the only starting QB in FA is Seneca Wallace
then it’s Jake Delhomme and a bunch of other backups
Freeman it is. SAD. at least this league has 2 QB’s and my other one is Peyton Manning – so maybe it’ll average out, LOL
October 7th, 2010 at 9:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 9:28 am
I have a bad feeling for this game like Dakota did after last weeks FF. lol
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Exla & Dakota:
Plunk is gonna have a field day against my FF team!
Mendenhall & Ronnie Brown on the bye week and Pierre Thomas injured
I think my running backs are Brandon Jacobs & Jonathan Stewart now, LOL
it’s bad enough that I have a WR Corps of Steve Smith (NY), Derrick Mason, Kenny Britt & Mike Williams!
Plunketthead will get BLOWOUT of the week unless Aaron Rodgers carries my team
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Pierre practiced today I heard.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:41 am
What does it say about our coaching that they need to embellish outside criticisms to get the team fired up. Jeez. So what happens if we win this game and the players are hyped up. Big deal. Now how do you get them motivated for the next game? What a joke. Cable can just start packing his things..
October 7th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Pierre practiced today I heard.
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sweet!
I’m gonna need him & Shockey …
October 7th, 2010 at 9:42 am
I’d rather fold up in single game during regular season than have a 100% chance of folding in the play-offs when it counts like over conservative, clownish, Schottenheimer has always managed to do.
The team would be better served ditching these antiquated, basic look defensive and offensive schemes and bring their game into the new millennium. Ditch Cable, bring in Harbaugh or bring back Gruden and let ‘em run the team already, this is ridiculous.
Al, you released some of your control this year, go the distance and bring in some football minds already! Sick of watching losing football, year in and year out.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Good luck with that lineup. Remember that it looks more and more likely that Mathews is up to full speed. Tolbert is kinda risky. Gates will be a monster.
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No better option than Tolbert. I have Shonn Green who has done nothing and is facing Minnesota or Thomas Jones against IND (might use Jones to replace Tolbert sunday) but even if Tolbert only gets 10-12 carries I still think he will have a big day.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:44 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 9:41 am
What does it say about our coaching that they need to embellish outside criticisms to get the team fired up. Jeez. So what happens if we win this game and the players are hyped up. Big deal. Now how do you get them motivated for the next game? What a joke. Cable can just start packing his things..
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Well said, Agree!
October 7th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Big deal. Now how do you get them motivated for the next game? What a joke. Cable can just start packing his things..
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Banana,
the Raiders managed to beat Philly, Cincy & Pittsburgh last year and we lost to some pretty awful teams
even if we beat Sandy Eggo this week, I predict we’ll collapse and lose to the 0-5 49ers (yes, I think Philly will beat them this weekend)
thats just par for the course, isn’t it?
October 7th, 2010 at 9:46 am
even if Tolbert only gets 10-12 carries I still think he will have a big day.
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12 carries at 7 yards a pop is 84 yards and probably at least 1 TD against the Raiders D
sad but true
October 7th, 2010 at 9:46 am
“In my opinion, Michael Huff is the worst tackling safety in the entire league, and Tyvon Branch has shown an inability to cover receivers.
Shouldn’t the defensive backs coach be correcting these deficiencies, rather than the head coach?
Upon watching a replay of the Texans game from last week, my thoughts on Huff are confirmed.
Huff doesn’t deserve to start for any team. He should be used only on obvious passing downs as he is great in coverage—but that’s it.”
Ouch Rock….
October 7th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Pdr – I agree, man. Yet Davis says he’d “rather be right than consistent”. And that he hires the “best coaches”. LOL..
October 7th, 2010 at 9:47 am
No better option than Tolbert. I have Shonn Green who has done nothing and is facing Minnesota or Thomas Jones against IND (might use Jones to replace Tolbert sunday) but even if Tolbert only gets 10-12 carries I still think he will have a big day.
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I see your point. If a scrub backup like Derrick Ward can rip off a 30 yard TD against our A team, and Tolbert gets 10 touches, he has a chance at a good day.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Ok so here is my nightmare scenario: Charges are receiving the kick-off, SD return guy runs all the way back to the middle line because Raiders ST misses all the tackles again. Then Raiders D plays well until SD converts on a 3rd and long…. bummer. Then a couple of short passes later the Chargers are already in field goal range… Raiders D now facing a run on 1st down, and they stop it. Some joy and relief… Then on 2nd down Rivers throws downfield, their WR is wide open and can trot in for a TD on their opening drive…. Thereafter Raiders already go into desperation mode and it’s going downhill from there…. Can they change that script???
October 7th, 2010 at 9:49 am
bcz24 Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 9:46 am
“In my opinion, Michael Huff is the worst tackling safety in the entire league, and Tyvon Branch has shown an inability to cover receivers.
Shouldn’t the defensive backs coach be correcting these deficiencies, rather than the head coach?
Upon watching a replay of the Texans game from last week, my thoughts on Huff are confirmed.
Huff doesn’t deserve to start for any team. He should be used only on obvious passing downs as he is great in coverage—but that’s it.”
Ouch Rock….
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RRS speaks the Truth
October 7th, 2010 at 9:49 am
I know I have been really hard on Gradkowski, I have gone out of my way to refute claims of the mad grads of being the next great raider qb, or even a good starter. Having said that the biggest game of his life is coming up sunday, and if he can avoid the turn overs we actually could have a chance of ending the streak. Madkowski is going to have to win this game, not just manage the game.
San Diego will load up to stop the run. They will press our nicked up young speed burners. The game tape shows murph and dhb have improved in the short and intermediate game on the boundary. The chargers will stop that.
The knock on our wides is even though they are fast they cant catch the deep pass. The knock on grads is he cant throw the deep pass, and is inaccurate down the field. Grads will have an opportunity to shut me up, and everybody who said he couldnt do it ……for the time being at least. Its put up or shut up time.
Down the field passing is exactly what we will have to do to win. Of course our pass protection is absolutely awful. This means that when he does get the chance to set up and throw its critical that he doesnt waste it with happy feet or running out of the pocket. Throwing down field is the only way we can loosen up the defense, and open up a running game.
Im not saying bombs away all 7 step drop stuff, but 3 or four times on sunday he has to take a stabb at it, especially agaisnt jammer. He is over aggressive and penalty prone, hes good within 15 yds or so, he struggles covering down the field.
Grads has a chance to play the greatest game of his life, and he is going to need to in order for us to have any chance at all.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:51 am
The thing I hate about watching SD/OAK matchups is seeing our mediocre boderline backup QB’s on offense, and seeing the contrast when Phillip Rivers in the game. “so, that’s what an NFL QB looks like…?”
Sad.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:58 am
There ought to be a new tackling drill to get everyone motivated instead of bulletin boards. Have everyone line up and force Michael Huff to be the tackling dummy. Show him how to tackle. “This is tackle football, Huff…not flag football!!” – ooof!
October 7th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Cutler out week 5 vs Carolina.
psst, bet the under.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:02 am
I doesnt look good at home vs. the dischargers. The sd offense has a lot of advantages over our defense.
Our dtackles are paper thin. Seymore is making plays but he cant do it alone. Bryant has not been able to carry the momentum from last year or this preseason. Kelly is in great shape, but he get pushed to easily in the middle against the run. I actually think Scott is better against the run at linebacker, so this may have an impact…but it wont be enough.
Gates in the seams agianst our safeties. This is a nightmare of a match up. Not only is gates a tough cover for huff and branch, but he is even tougher to tackle once he has the ball! We know branch and huff are terrible tacklers. Norvell loves play action, pump and go, and attack the seams deep, this could get ugly.
Unless we stop the run, we will never have a pass rush. You cant get to the qb with natural pressure in 2nd and short, or 3rd and short. You can blitz until you are blue in the face, you wont get there on 2nd, and 3rd and short. Our pass rushing defensive ends, and “hybrid” elephant lbs have been neutralized, because we cant put the qb in predictable passing situations. stopping the run is the most important concept of the 4-3 press cover, it allows you to rush the passer!
October 7th, 2010 at 10:05 am
This doesn’t bother me. I’m glad marty came out and said this because this is what was needed. They need to be reminded they have’t arrived yet, and if you want to be great you have to play hard. It just pains me top see that it takes bulletin material like this to motivate them to win, when they should be motivated already. But I remember when the giants mouthed off about the raiders and the next week how it made them play so hopefully this is a sign we’re finally gonna beat the chargers and we take over and start ballin from here on out.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Unless we stop the run, we will never have a pass rush. You cant get to the qb with natural pressure in 2nd and short, or 3rd and short. You can blitz until you are blue in the face, you wont get there on 2nd, and 3rd and short. Our pass rushing defensive ends, and “hybrid” elephant lbs have been neutralized, because we cant put the qb in predictable passing situations. stopping the run is the most important concept of the 4-3 press cover, it allows you to rush the passer!
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excellent analysis, Mistic.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Boss to worker: “Your performance sucks…”
Boss thinking to himself, need to embellish…hmmm.
“and you’re ugly too”
That ought to do the trick!
October 7th, 2010 at 10:08 am
Prediction: Raiders actually score on opening drive, and look like a whole different team when playing with a lead. Rivers gets frustrated trying to force things and throws a temper tantrum.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:10 am
you guys can harp on Huff all day long until you’re blue in the face. what good is it gonna do?
is it going to make the front 7 on D play better?
you think Cable is going to bench his 2nd best cover man to bring in Mike Mitchell against Phil Rivers? the coaching staff wanted to cut this guy man! and he’s not a solid tackler or cover man! did you see that whiff against the Cards KR when that little LeRod guy housed one?
for those of you who need a clue, get one! they’re free
October 7th, 2010 at 10:11 am
Why will Rivers feel frustrated about a front 7 that has no push and play on rollerskates? About open seam routes all over the field to pick and choose from?
Rivers will only be red if his receivers drop his wide open passes.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:14 am
the only guy with a clue that wants Mitchell & Branch starting at safety for the Raiders on Sunday is Dakota – because Phil Rivers is his fantasy football QB
October 7th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Why will Rivers feel frustrated about a front 7 that has no push and play on rollerskates? About open seam routes all over the field to pick and choose from?
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Don’t confuse the Houston OLine with the SD OLine. The Raiders can and will beat the Chargers!
October 7th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Jimbo,
Rivers might have less than 20 pass attempts this Sunday … then Dakota would be red in the face!
LOL
October 7th, 2010 at 10:17 am
The Season Is Not Over Yet, Repeat, The Season Is Not Over Yet.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Our young wides have not yet arrived. They havent yet learned to handle the physicality of the nfl. They have both shown aligator arms at least once this year, both struggle catching down the field when they must battle for position with the ball in flight. DHB and Murphy Have trouble in the short game when dbs are physicall with them. They both have struggled with injury through thier young careers.
This is exactly why we will have to force feed them. You are being counted on moving toward the future, so you must learn to do what big time receivers do, and make big time catches.
We have seen evidence that both have the abilty to be really dangerous weapons. They both have made clutch catches in money time this year. They have clearly ggrown in thier abilty run clean routes. DHB is miles ahead this year catching the ball. You add this with thier professional attitudes and work ethic and we have plenty of reason to be encouraged. Also yes, you do get credit for having a great work ethic and professionalism, when you are only 21 years old and have 25 mil in the bank, just ask jamarcuss.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:18 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Jimbo,
Rivers might have less than 20 pass attempts this Sunday … then Dakota would be red in the face!
LOL
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He had less than 20 last game and they got 41 points!
I predict no more than 20 attempts for Rivers. Why throw when you can run for 250+ yards?
October 7th, 2010 at 10:20 am
BigTed707 Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:17 am
The Season Is Not Over Yet, Repeat, The Season Is Not Over Yet.
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you are correct. only 12 games to go.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:20 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Jimbo,
Rivers might have less than 20 pass attempts this Sunday … then Dakota would be red in the face!
LOL
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20 pass attempts, but 3 TDs and 275 yards lol
October 7th, 2010 at 10:20 am
I predict no more than 20 attempts for Rivers. Why throw when you can run for 250+ yards?
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thats exactly right. the Raiders have a defense stocked with pass rushers & speedy DB’s
run the ball = win
pass the ball = give us a chance
October 7th, 2010 at 10:22 am
LUNCH!
October 7th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Our wide receivers need to go to the Randy Moss School of Offensive Pass Interference.
Moss pushes off on almost every play, and it works great for him.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:25 am
you are correct. only 12 games to go.
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I still hope we win at least half of those. It’s a long road back to respectability – but the faith must be kept.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Well at least offensively we have an entertaining team.
Reminds you of the Washington Generals when they take on the Harlem Globetrotters. They always hang right with the trotters, but in the end, the Generals always lose, Charlie Brown “laces out” to Lucy style.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Lets all pray Cable doesn’t re-sign Fargas.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:31 am
I dont care about beating the lambs, or the titans, or anybody that we have played so far this year. I care about beating our division rivals, head to head. We have become door matts in the very house we built. We are flat on our backs looking up (the skirts) of our hated enimies. Winning the division is a pipe dream this year. The chiefs and donkeys have to prove they can sustain what they are doing over the course of the season, i doubt that both of them will. We know who sd is, perennial division kings, and playoff chokers. Until we start getting some wins in our division we will continue to be the laughing stock of the league.
By the way cable’s division record is another huge bullet point on Al davis’s over head projector.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:33 am
We will contain the run enough, and score 20+ points, to warrant Rivers tossing the rock around close to 30 times.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:36 am
You see other teams load up on available WR’s. Miami goes out and gets a Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson is still for sale, Terrel Owens signed for a reasonable amount in Cincy and just had a 200 yard day. Randy Moss gets acquired for a lousy 3rd round pick.
Why can’t the Raiders make any moves for a real WR?
October 7th, 2010 at 10:38 am
Gates caught 7 balls on 7 targets for 142 and 2 TDs. How’s that for efficiency?
What does that say for his guardability?
Rivers wont need 30 throws.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Matt Shaughnessy will become the starter at right end and take a lot more snaps.
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GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!
ITS ABOUT FK’N TIME!!!!!!!!
October 7th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Why can’t the Raiders make any moves for a real WR?
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Too busy wasting time with fudge-finger-Figures, and the like.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:39 am
27-6 vs the Raiders is insulting enough. The Raiders had no need to alter Marty’s words.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:40 am
priesttj Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
So now Jerry’s a pshycotherapist, He knows what the Raiders think about themselves. WOW Jerry when the practice going to open maybe you can do this for all teams and help them with some interspective. So they can understand what’s going on on their team and come to you and have you assist them in solving those sensitive issues.
Great work Jerry!!
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It is a crime you are not on the Raider payroll, BHP.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Huff CAN cover TEs – Huff CAN’T tackle RBs (imo)
October 7th, 2010 at 10:44 am
GTG – Smell’ya Raider!
October 7th, 2010 at 10:44 am
No net for 5 days, but I’m back!
October 7th, 2010 at 10:44 am
BigTed707 Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Huff CAN cover TEs – Huff CAN’T tackle RBs (imo)
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Who/what can Huff tackle?
October 7th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Going back to Cali, next week, quick 3 day trip to SF.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:46 am
DHB or Murphy could drive block Trevor Scott. He plays like he is on roller skates.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:46 am
I care about beating our division rivals, head to head. We have become door matts in the very house we built. We are flat on our backs looking up (the skirts) of our hated enimies.
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Word! Kind of makes me sick.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Who/what can Huff tackle?
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Pop Warner players fo sure
October 7th, 2010 at 10:47 am
BigTed707 Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Huff CAN cover TEs – Huff CAN’T tackle RBs (imo)
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Huff should be SS and completely blanket Gates on obvious passing downs. LB crew should be Scott-McClain-Brown and D Line should be Shaunessy-Seymour-Kelly-Wimbley/Houston with Seymour moving around to create a mismatch.
Brown or Eugene playing CF.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:48 am
How many hamstrings till the training staff is fired?
Seriously…
October 7th, 2010 at 10:48 am
priesttj,
The Raiders think and know to a man that they have no heart or ballz, hence the nickel-piss effort on each and every sunday. You do not need a psychotherapist to see that they are a bunch of gutless softies.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Speaking of Seymour, what has this cat done? I think the Raiders got hosed by the Pats AGAIN!
October 7th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Raiders that would not play for any other team.i.e questionable or no NFL talent…Sam Williams, Mike Mitchell, Trevor Scott, Mario Henderson…
October 7th, 2010 at 10:51 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Speaking of Seymour, what has this cat done? I think the Raiders got hosed by the Pats AGAIN!
Seymour is very disruptive but could use a solid NT playing along side him. With the proper supporting cast, Seymour could be a game-changer.
He’s in the backfield quite a bit, but they just run away from him. In the Houston game, they ran right at Kelly/Scott quite a bit.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Mike Mitchell, Trevor Scott,
I think these two are misused.
Mitchell should be the “5th LB” in a 34 alignment with a serious baller playing CF, which is a very, very tough position to play. You have to be able to cover and tackle and take great angles.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:52 am
89052RAIDER Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Raiders that would not play for any other team.i.e questionable or no NFL talent…Sam Williams, Mike Mitchell, Trevor Scott, Mario Henderson…
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Ah the scholarships!
October 7th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Scott would be effective as a 34 OLB in maybe 5-10 passing situations a game.
October 7th, 2010 at 10:57 am
We are NT away from being a 34 team, which is what we should have done all along.
We’ve been blitzing and playing zone a lot more this year than in years past and to disguise a blitz most effectively, a 34 alignment or a 3-3 nickel (which can also utilize DB blitzes) should be what we’re doing.
I see where they were going with Houston as a big DE, but the problem is the two guys in the middle have to be beasts and Kelly pretty much cancels Seymour out.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Was listening to Sirius Radio yesterday and the NFL channel had Phil V. on. He said he gets mad as hell watching the Raiders now a days. He said he can see the players going through the motions, but not giving a crap about playing hard. He didn’t single out anyone because he said it was EVERY player. Watching the Raiders the past few years I couldn’t agree more. Our coaching staff stinks, our players stink. I say its time to bring in some real coaches, trade away our star players and rebuild this team. Look at what KC did. Got rid of thier two best players, now look at them. enough of this team. Its time to get a GM and let the rebuilding begin.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Wimbley = 43 DE or 34 OLB, not a 43 SLB
Scott = 34 OLB or maaaaybe 43 OLB, not a 43 DE
Houston = 34 DE or 43 UT, not 43 DE
Thomas = 34 WLB, not whatever he is now (STU)
McClain = 34 MLB, not 43 MLB
Shaunessey = everydown 43 DE
Groves = high school football coach
October 7th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Marshall’s “soft zone” doesn’t work. It’s maddening to see it so often in the early downs.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:04 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Was listening to Sirius Radio yesterday and the NFL channel had Phil V. on. He said he gets mad as hell watching the Raiders now a days. He said he can see the players going through the motions, but not giving a crap about playing hard. He didn’t single out anyone because he said it was EVERY player. Watching the Raiders the past few years I couldn’t agree more. Our coaching staff stinks, our players stink. I say its time to bring in some real coaches, trade away our star players and rebuild this team. Look at what KC did. Got rid of thier two best players, now look at them. enough of this team. Its time to get a GM and let the rebuilding begin.
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I honestly never thought it was an issue with the players. Al has an eye for great athletes and expects coaches to turn them into football players. Granted some are just awful and you wonder how they’re playing pro football, but for the most part I think our squad is misused, unprepared, and unmotivated.
They don’t think they can win.
I would love to see a winning football coach (and he MUST MUST MUST be a hard@$$) and staff come in and clean up the locker room issues and Xs and Os.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:06 am
Jimbo Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Marshall’s “soft zone” doesn’t work. It’s maddening to see it so often in the early downs.
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I’d like to see more aggressive zone-blitzing but for the most part, I don’t think pass d has been hurting us. The Texans had the advantage of using that Denver Offense which keeps the D on their heels so much.
Victimized in play action is a direct result of over compensating to stop the run.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:06 am
Aso would get us a 1rst and maybe a 3rd. Bush or Dmac should get us a 3rd. The rest of the players are not getting us nada. Aso won’t be here after next year anyways, there is no way he stays on this team.
1 GM
2 Coaching staff
3 rebuild
October 7th, 2010 at 11:06 am
Once the Cable era is finally over, I’d like to see Al finally humbled and hire a top tier coach that tell’s Al that he needs it to be his way or the highway. Al needs to back off and let the new coach do things his way. Maybe be a coach/GM.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:09 am
From what I’m seeing….
Condo = keeper
Houston = keeper
????????
Trade or release the rest of these women.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:10 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 11:06 am
Aso would get us a 1rst and maybe a 3rd. Bush or Dmac should get us a 3rd. The rest of the players are not getting us nada. Aso won’t be here after next year anyways, there is no way he stays on this team.
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I think Aso is signed through next year, guaranteed money that no one is going to give squat for, unless Al ponies up some money. So Aso is basically worthless. Bush and DMC are cogs this team needs to keep if we ever want to be competitive.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:11 am
Mitchell looked very good last week in the strong spot. he was right on top of his covers down the field, and was a solid tackler. He seems to be catching on, more playing time he gets he seems to improve.
One thing that the defense lacks is an explosive play maker. Explosive defensive plays big hits, and ints are sorley lacking. Area 21 doesnt get thrown at often, and when he does get action he is good at knocking the ball down. With the exception of one year he has not been able to get many picks.
Our safeties dont hit or cover or tackle. Our prized rook romac, hasnt been on the field long enough to find a comfort level. I think he will be a difference maker, and a big play guy down the road. So far he has been workman like, making most of the plays he is supposed to make.
So far the most explosive play has been on the dline. That is good and bad. Our dline is all beat up,in all but the lamb game, we havnt hinted at stopping the run.
Mitchell and brown can be exactly what the defense needs. A ball hawk and a vicious tackler. We might as well give it a shot. We will more than likely lose this game why not find out if your young guys are the right guys moving forward, we know the old guard is finished.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:11 am
sorry forgot one guy, Murphy. I now the guy drops alot of passes, but at least he plays hard like a man. he should be a 2-4th WR on this team.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:14 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
Marty f-n’ Schottenheimer?? Are you people out of your minds? (Obviously, a rhetorical question…a number of you don’t need to answer.)
Schottenheimer never won a game bigger than a Raiders game. We WERE his Playoff game, twice a year.
He didn’t say anything he hasn’t said dozens of times before…edited or not, we’ve all seen and heard it.
Schottenheimer is one of the biggest windbags the NFL ever had as head coach, with nothing to show for it. Surrounded by tremendous talent, he STILL couldn’t win anything.
Anyone saying, “At least he wins games” is missing the point entirely…what good is winning games, padding those regular season stats, when you crumble at every large occasion? Schottenheimer WAS just another OK head coach, great with dictionary words and hype (especially when it made himself look good). He’s a pontificating a$$.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Funny thing is this Oakland team is playing harder than it has in years. They’re competing and staying in games.
So far…
October 7th, 2010 at 11:14 am
I think Aso is signed through next year, guaranteed money that no one is going to give squat for, unless Al ponies up some money. So Aso is basically worthless. Bush and DMC are cogs this team needs to keep if we ever want to be competitive.
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RB are never cogs. QBs and MLBs are cogs. RBs are a dime a dozen. If these guys are so good why wouldn’t we get better then a 3rd or 4th rounder for them?
October 7th, 2010 at 11:15 am
280. Marty’s “Theres a gleam men” speech. Uuuugh…
October 7th, 2010 at 11:16 am
If you trade Aso to a competitor I’m sure he will rework his deal.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:17 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 11:06 am
Aso would get us a 1rst and maybe a 3rd.
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Nnamdi garners no trade value because he can void his contract at the end of the year and be a free agent. No matter what, any team that grabs him will renegotiate him to around 10mil a year for maybe 3-5 years.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Bill Williamson is doing a web chat. We throw hardballs for questions to JerryMac compared to his fluff. Comps to you JerryMac and Raider Nation.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Raiders have the option on Nnamdi.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Williamson is a BSPN buffoon.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Mitchell and brown can be exactly what the defense needs. A ball hawk and a vicious tackler. We might as well give it a shot.
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I agree. With Groves outta there, we have the opportunity to get Rick Brown, a real LB, in the game to help in run support.
Mike Mitchell is intruiging, but would be used improperly. He is not a cover 2 safety and we have been playing a lot of that lately. Like I said, he’s the in the box SS or 5th LB in a 34.
No more read and react, I wanna see these guys flying to the ball and it will be McClain’s responsibility to get these guys line up properly and have the right play in. So far, he has not shown the abilities he was supposed to have.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Raiders have the option on Nnamdi.
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true, we need to make this trade. He will not resign in 2012.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:23 am
No more read and react, I wanna see these guys flying to the ball and it will be McClain’s responsibility to get these guys line up properly and have the right play in. So far, he has not shown the abilities he was supposed to have.
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Don’t worry about McClain, after he gives up on the Raiders he has a contract waiting for him with the WWE.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:24 am
Don’t worry about McClain, after he gives up on the Raiders he has a contract waiting for him with the WWE.
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bwahahahahaha!
October 7th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Hey Rockstar, good to see ya!
October 7th, 2010 at 11:25 am
RNOraiderFan Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Raiders have the option on Nnamdi.
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true, we need to make this trade. He will not resign in 2012.
I just don’t agree with this. Let Nnamdi play out his contract. The idea is to ‘get something of value for him before he walks and we get nothing.’
I just think it should be more like ‘let’s build a great defense around him so he’ll stay and retire a Raider with the fast track to Canton.’
We’re running out of time though. He’s been a good soldier and very patient but this is getting ridiculous.
We still need one more year though.
Even the Old Man said last year playoffs were not likely and he’s only ‘cautiously optimistic’ about this year.
Many would say we’ve been rebuilding for years, but I think we’ve only been truly rebuilding for two.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:27 am
you too RNO.
hows your week been?
ready to kick some charger tail on Sunday?
October 7th, 2010 at 11:28 am
everybody responds differently to a loss in the family.
you have the Terdell Sands & JaMarcus Russells of this world and then you have the Brett Favre & Matt Cassels
obviously I’m hoping ROMAC fits into that latter category!
October 7th, 2010 at 11:28 am
They recognize the need for a NT, evidence by Kellen Heard on PS and Cable’s statement about missing the guys he wanted in the draft (shoulda traded up AL), Suh and Williams.
They know they need O Lineman as well.
They grabbed the best MLB available, they have the LBs and ends, we just need to beef up in the middle.
They’re too late for Haynesworth, but I think its an option they need to be considering right up to the trade deadline.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 11:28 am
everybody responds differently to a loss in the family.
you have the Terdell Sands & JaMarcus Russells of this world and then you have the Brett Favre & Matt Cassels
obviously I’m hoping ROMAC fits into that latter category!
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I want to see him punishing people.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:30 am
This has probably already been posted.
Eric Davis and Romo bagging on John Marshall’s defensive scheme. Bend, but don’t break. Seems bent.
Romo caps on Huff for his “soft approach”, thinks the team lacks killer mentality. and they aint breaking enough fingers.
http://www.csncalifornia.com/pages/video?PID=jXDgjHdLKda6_baCGLg5_hETn6_LRCZe
October 7th, 2010 at 11:30 am
what up RRS. I gotta jet, but I’ll see you on the PM(S) session.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Anybody dumb enough to buy that arbage Jerry is selling, well I guess you deserve it. Coaches are notorious for ploys like this when they know they have to get a win and they want to win this one bad. Marty himself was guilty of such ploys because they work, he would tell his troops that they Raiders were bullies and criminals and didn’t deserve to be in the league.
Everything you can think of, does anyone remember they rant that Harrison went on when Seymour was rumored not to want to come to Oakland how he said he would rather jump off a bridge than play here. Just who do you think that opinion came from?, Marty Shottenheimer. Marty has lied and embellished and done whatever it took to get his troops to beat the Raiders. He’s FAMOUS for it.
For this idiot writer to claim the Raiders embellished Marty’s crap is beyond stupid, in fact stupid and ignorant desn’t do it justice. Marty has long been maniacal in his imagination to fire up his troops. Anything you can dream up that he might say probably isn’t close to his rants in front of his team. You’d have thought your life depended on your beating the Raiders.
Anyone who’s even heard some of the stuff that came out of that Nazi’s mouth concerning the Raiders would know that. You guy’s are such freakin’ sheep for whatever Jerry is selling.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:30 am
I have a better trade idea……..
Trade Kelly for some pop rocks!
http://tnbd.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/pop-rocks.jpg
October 7th, 2010 at 11:32 am
BBL. Meeting
October 7th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Aso is gone in 2012 take it to the bank, just like Woodson. We let him play out his contract and walk to. we have some young guys, put them in. No playoffs this year anyways.
CB Mcfadden
SS Mitchell
FS Brown
CB Ware
OLB Scott
MLB McClain
MLB Goethle i know its not spelled right
OLB Howard
DE Houston
NT ?? Heard??
DE Seymour
then next year try to replace Seymour, Heard, Howard
lets just see if the young guys can play.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:33 am
McCain’s shown all the ability he was supposed to have…he’s just getting caught out of position, and he’s slow to recognize/react to the play as it unfolds.
No matter what he says about being prepared for the NFL while at Bama, he’s still a rookie. He’ll make the occasional great play, but he’s going to make rookie mistakes also. 1-in-50 or so rookie LB’s play like good journeymen instantly…and we all know we’re expecting McClain to do that.
Hopefully, the game will really come into focus for McClain by mid-season. We already know he can play at this level, now he needs to play at a higher level to earn his keep. I say he gets it together soon…he’s way too talented and smart not to.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:34 am
ready to kick some charger tail on Sunday?
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I am! I don’t think the Raiders are.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:34 am
For this idiot writer to claim the Raiders embellished Marty’s crap is beyond stupid, in fact stupid and ignorant desn’t do it justice.
You guy’s are such freakin’ sheep for whatever Jerry is selling.
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BHP, what are you talking about? I gotta get back at you later but….huh?
Jerry posted what the Raiders wrote, then what Marty wrote and it was different.
It was more severe and insulting. Whether it be for motivational purposes or whatever, obviously it wouldn’t be said if there wasn’t a problem. Words like ‘fold’ being introduced.
Jerry just put in the facts and drew the ONLY logical conclusion that could be made.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Anyone think we have a chance to get Cowher? I think he is the next coach of NC.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:43 am
89052RAIDER Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Raiders that would not play for any other team.i.e questionable or no NFL talent…Sam Williams, Mike Mitchell, Trevor Scott, Mario Henderson…
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I agree with everything but Sam Williams.
Send him to New England, and he will be the next Larry Izzo. Heart and soul of special teams unit, who only plays special teams, and sticks for 10 years.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:44 am
LA
It’s very simple Marty has at one time or another said it all and more. To hell with that interview, that crap is watered down and Jerry knows it he’s just making his own commentary on what he thinks the Raiders think about themselves………..period
October 7th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Sam is a friend of mine, I know he has heart. Its ture he dosen’t have elite talent, but he does well on special teams. Mitchell also has heart he just plays to aggessive, good coaching could turn him into a good player. We don’t have good coaching.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Guys who can do at least one thing well, stick in this league for awhile.
Sam is a very good ST player.
He might find more suitors in a FA market than all 3 of our QB’s.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:51 am
BHP’s in a fighting, ranting mood.
JMcD hurt your feelings one too many times, Priest? Seems like you wanna tangle with somebody over it. Why not tangle with Jerry, if it’s Jerry you’ve got the beef with?
I would say the Raiders paraphrased, rather than embellished. They did what Marty could never do himself in fewer than 1000 words — get to the point. I’d have to scan some old footage/read some reports (which I won’t do), but I bet Marty’s used every word in that locker room posting in a previous Raiders rant.
A football team isn’t held to the same journalistic standards as a newspaper is. And yes, BHP, Jerry McD carries his journalistic standards well — even if you don’t like him for not seeing things your way.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:54 am
The way were playin really scares me and thats coming from a guy who drinks the kool aid by the gallon…
October 7th, 2010 at 11:54 am
I see things my way Jerry sees them his and you do to Hayes. You have bought into his crap machine……so be it I think you’re a sucka that’s my opinion. So be it.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Not Raider related, but still worth reading….
Revis blasts Moss
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Revis-blasts-Moss-says-he-put-his-foot-on-the-;_ylt=AtQvOi1aCULGRh0na2g1ANHsYNAF?urn=nfl-275312
October 7th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Gots to run, Its been real, its been fun, but it hasn’t ben real fun…..
LATER NATION!
October 7th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Bought into what? What do you see, that I don’t?
BHP — I think so many people have hammered you over your unwielding ways and brash know-it-all statements the past year, that you’ve joined KK on the wrong side of the pi$$ed-off line all the time.
I actually remember when you two stubborn Rocks of Gibralter could have a dialogue in here without calling people names. Now, it’s nothing like those peaceful days of yore. It’s sad, the loss of common sense and logic over the years.
Oh yeah…a lack of the ability to understand another’s point (or willingness to) needs to go in there also. That puts you into a special category on this board — and you KNOW who your peers are on that list!
October 7th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
# priesttj Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 11:44 am
LA
It’s very simple Marty has at one time or another said it all and more. To hell with that interview, that crap is watered down and Jerry knows it he’s just making his own commentary on what he thinks the Raiders think about themselves………..period
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You freaking moron…of course he does.
That’s what journalist do.
They take a story, post what they know about it, and ADD THEIR OPINION ABOUT IT.
You so stupid you can’t follow that simple concept?
Here’s a question for ya, TJ…why is it your balls shrink up the size of BB’s when I challenge you?
Let me help..BECAUSE I’VE TORCHED YOUR SORRYASS each and every time you momentarily thought you could follow through on a simple thought process.
Now shut up you sorry wannabee.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
# RNOraiderFan Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Anyone think we have a chance to get Cowher? I think he is the next coach of NC.
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Never.
Raiders will never get an established coach to come and work for Al.
Why would they? Who would possibly want to deal with that old codger butting in on everything?
Only ones who would, would be former HC’s, since fallen, hoping for a chance to get back in the circle, or assts, wanting the chance to get their toe in that same circle.
Once established, they are gone with the wind.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Ahh yes…the peers on that list start to come out from under the rocks…
October 7th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Hayes call it whatever you wish I aint pissed off at all. Maybe it’s you that can’t except someone else’s opinion. I said I think Jerry is full of crap always have and will until he changes my mind. Only HE can do that. I disagreed with HIM no one else.
He made a statement of fact that the caches of this team feel a particular way about this team based on a flimsy incident, a ploy and people are dumb enough to except that without thinking. I think that is also ignorant.
Now if that bothers you because you’re one of those people, if the shoe fits wear it…….period
October 7th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
BHP — I meant unyielding, not unwielding (although unwielding might not be incorrect, either…since you haven’t been knocking too many of your predictions out of the park lately).
October 7th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
HayesDaze, you’re every-bit as condescending as BHP.
Please don’t compare me with him.
I post facts & figures to support Al Davis’ incompetence, not fairy tales of yesteryear.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
First…is it ACCept, or EXCept? If you’re going to lay down an argument, let’s at least understand the point you’re trying to make.
Second…JMcD never made any “statement of fact” about what the coaches on this team feel. He stated the RAIDERS feel a certain way about themselves. Well, that’s his well-informed perception…and it’s the perception of a lot of people on this very board.
There’s a very big difference in what JMcD actually wrote, and the overblown statement you THINK he wrote (but won’t go back and re-read).
Mellow out, man…it’s a great afternoon.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Bills suffer first blackout since 2006
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/07/bills-suffer-first-blackout-since-2006/
The Raiders have 78 blackouts in 122 home games since moving back to Oakland in 1995.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Ha — Another of those peers crawling out from his dark hiding place. Too bad I can’t stay for much more light sparring…
October 7th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Ahh yes…the peers on that list start to come out from under the rocks…
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Speaking of rocks, crawl back under yours.
TJ is a hypocrite because he’s stupid.
You’re a hypocrite because you’re a small joke of a man.
Tell us again how, after Al screwed over all the fans on the tickets he withheld, where thousands had to take off work, hoping for a call, where those that did get the call had to scramble for hotel rooms, some having to sleep in their car, where YOU WHINE HOW “oh, uh, Al did screw me over…uh..Al DID keep all those tickets…Al DID get caught screwing over the fans…BUT I FOUND A HOTEL ROOM, SO THERE”.
Yeah, LMFAO at your crash and burn, hypocrite.
BTW..how was that parade? Oh…damn…that’s right, Al veto’ed it.
Well then, the fan appreciation rally had to be cool…oops…veto’ed again.
but hey…you found a room.
Good boy…
October 7th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
The Raiders have 78 blackouts in 122 home games since moving back to Oakland in 1995.
63% of Raider home games are blacked-out, not including all of them this year.
Does that sound like competent management to you?
October 7th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Oh yes…the “I couldn’t go to the Super Bowl, but someone else did, so I got screwed-over” rant.
Fact is, Richie, me girl — Some people got to go, others didn’t. Those that didn’t didn’t like it, and some of us that did didn’t like it!
And, yes…everything was short-notice, and people had to scramble. Some could, and others couldn’t. I got “lucky” I guess, and was able to make it.
Richie — You’re crying over 7-yr-old spilt milk…kinda like KK’s 7-yr-itch. I say pour the milk over the itch…and you guys can rub it in for each other!
October 7th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Hayes you’re the one that needs to mellow out. He said it tells what they think about themselves. In other words he’s saying that’s what THEY THINK. Not his opinion. He’s saying that IS what it is. Now do you or anyone else know that for a fact? HELL NO!!
IT’s an opinion of his that he’s leading others to believe, not asking them what they think he’s telling them what it is. Now if you believe that then you definitely didn’t come to theat conclusion on your own he gave it to you. Thus you are his sheep. Accept it brotha that is what it is………heleads you follow………..period
October 7th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Matt playing DE on most downs is an instant upgrade. I think we will have more success against the run this week.
I smell a shootout.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
You guys are too easy.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Chargers at Raiders
Florio’s take: The Chargers are continuing to dig out of their funk, just as the Raiders are settling in to theirs. The only question about this one is whether it will be the last one of Tom Cable’s career.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Rosenthal’s take: Where did all that offseason optimism about the Raiders go? This looks like the same old team. The defense was supposed to carry the day, but they’ve been among the league’s worst. Bruce Gradkowski has improved the passing attack, but the offensive line still struggles. This is a game Oakland desperately needs to stay relevant, and they usually play the Chargers tough at home. They also usually find a way to lose. Mike Tolbert Fever: Catch it!
Rosenthal’s pick: Chargers 24, Raiders 20.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
BHP — This is a blog…the man is SUPPOSED to tell us his opinion, it’s part of the job. And…he never said anything about what the COACHES feel about the team — which was YOUR claim.
So, BHP, my friend — You are guilty of what you say Jerry’s guilty of…giving an opinion as fact.
That qualifies you for a:
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
October 7th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Old Kell,…you seem to blame management for blackouts,..which of course you know I love,…but is it management thats not going to the games or fair weathered fans like you that dont go to games?…its clear,..the reason the games are blacked out is because people like you dont buy a ticket and go to the games,..simple as that,…if a fan only goes when things are great and they are winning,..thats weak,…and old kell, youre as weak as they come.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Nice, KK — Actually citing the writers whose work you use, rather than plagiarizing it like usual. How long will this last??
October 7th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Lunch date…this little exercise has made hungry.
October 7th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
It IS a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
October 7th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Well Hayes I just think you’re as big a Hypocrit as anyone in this case. His words are it tells you what they think of themselves, it’s conclusive. He didn’t say MAYBE, he said “it tells how the Raiders view themselves”. Now if I’m wrong show me where I’m wrong.
October 7th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Whats the chance of seeing Huff playing a lil bit of cornerback?
October 7th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
It IS a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
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Not really.
October 7th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
OK, BHP, I’ll bite — Where does he state that the Raiders coaches feel that way about the team? He doesn’t.
So your statement about what JMcD actually wrote is really misleading, isn’t it? If the answer is yes (and it is), and you won’t go back and either amend your statement “of fact,” or admit you’re basing an argument based on your personal feelings (as opposed to what he REALLY wrote), then you are doing no better than the very guy you’re criticising.
Where in this “discussion” did I say one hypocritical thing? Methinks you and Richie need to look up the actual definition of hypocrite. Here’s a hint: Learning the meanings of words BEFORE using them in sentences is a really wise thing to do if trying to make a point. Especially when trying to make something bigger than it actually is.
October 7th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
# StayinBlack Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Whats the chance of seeing Huff playing a lil bit of cornerback?
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Our CBs have been playing well, why would we want to downgrade that position?
October 7th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
# KoolKell Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
It IS a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
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Not really.
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Cry more, old man.
October 7th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Dude…KK…ANY hater — MIAMI HAS THE SECOND-MOST WINNING SEASONS THE PAST 20-YEARS (14 OF THEM)…
…AND MIAMI HASN’T WON A THING.
Winning seasons means NOTHING…
October 7th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
wOOOT!
I love fleet week! First jet just buzzed the loft.
October 7th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
There’s plenty of folks around to help you chase that tail, BHP — Why not find one of your normal foils to tangle with? I’m sure Norcomabob, Bri, MR and Richie would love to kill the afternoon with you. I’m hungry and don’t wanna keep going ’round in circles anymore.
Oh yes, KK — It is ALWAYS a good day to be a Raiders fan. Something you have never, ever, truly experienced.
It is a good day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
October 7th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
What is ridiculous is that the Raiders are the highest paid team in the NFL and we have to come up with tricks and gimmicks in order to get us to the point of just sniffing the .500 mark or winning a dang footballgame.
That is nuts.
October 7th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Logic would tell you that the HIGHEST PAID TEAM IN THE LEAGUE would at the very least be a consistent 9-7 or 10-6 AT THE VERY LEAST! But NOOOOOOOOO…NOT THESE RAIDERS!
October 7th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
SD -35 RAIDERS 10 . Will be over before the 1st half is done. Don’t know how much more embarassment it’s gonna take to get Al to relinquish control.
October 7th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
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