Raiders revive oldie but goodie
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, October 6th, 2010 at 11:38 am in Oakland Raiders.
Former Chiefs and Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer, a Raider-hater from way back, fielded a quesiton recently on his Sirius radio show about the Raiders inability to finish and resurrected an old theme, which was dutifully printed and placed in the locker room where players could read it.
With some words in bold face and underlined for emphasis, it read:
“The one constant yuo can count on in playing the Raiders is that they don’t finish. They don’t finish plays and they don’t finish games. I always told my players that if they keep playing hard against the Raiders, (the Raiders) would eventually fold. That is why I knew we would always win.
That is still the perception in the league today.”
He left out the part about “hitting them in the mouth.”
More to come .. .
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October 6th, 2010 at 11:41 am
WOW!
October 6th, 2010 at 11:43 am
2nd?
October 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am
The truth hurts doesn’t it….
However, if I was a coach for the Raiders, I would print that and put it in our locker room. And if I was a player, I would be so fired up that I would be ready to knock somebody out come game time. This is great motivation, and all great players would use it as such.
Gosh I hate Schotty…
October 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am
The one constant you can count on in playing the Raiders is that they don’t finish. They don’t finish plays and they don’t finish games. I always told my players that if they keep playing hard against the Raiders, (the Raiders) would eventually fold. That is why I knew we would always win.
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truth hurts!
October 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am
LOL @ EM
great minds think alike …
October 6th, 2010 at 11:45 am
you know it…
October 6th, 2010 at 11:46 am
NE,
LOL!
Started in the preseason. Our drunk arsee announcers kept calling him Gardowski in his first game back. Kinda emphasized my point at the time to JFB what the organization thought of him.
Of course he went on later that night to predict Gardowski would be starting by halftime of week 2, and I think you know the rest.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Asked Wednesday if he’s considering a quarterback change, 49ers coach Mike Singletary insisted “I’m nowhere near that point.”
He probably would be if he had a better option behind Alex Smith. Smith’s yards-per-attempt average of 6.1 ranks 27th in the league, and he’s tied with Shaun Hill for the most interceptions (7) in football. David Carr is the backup, however, and would add no noticeable dimension to the 49ers’ offense.
Source: Matt Maiocco on Twitter
Related: David Carr
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Lets trade them Jason Campbell.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Too many track stars in a locker room collecting checks instead of playing football will do that to a team. They can all run fast, especially to the bank, but can’t seem to catch, block or tackle worth a damn. Here’s hoping they finally take that to heart and start proving the haters wrong.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Someone forgot to tell Marty to finish seasons and post seasons, as well.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:48 am
severeraiderz Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Jmackraider12 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:35 am
And i have noticed that in every game grad has played he has become progressively more mature with our offense, his turnover rate should go down game by game, in the end hes a slinger, but he will realize his weapons underneath are just has important as his weapons are vertically, and that has shown game by game..
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I have noticed the opposite. He played great against the Rams, pretty good in Ariz, and pretty poorly last week (against the worst pass D in the league). In that rams game he got DHb and Murphy involved and they performed, same in Ariz (though he did force a lot of passes), but last week the WR’s were no involved at all and he made even more bad throws. I think the constant hits are having an affect on him and teams are just game planning to take away what he likes to do.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:49 am
FK U Marty!!!!
hahahahahaha
October 6th, 2010 at 11:50 am
All we can do is use that for motivation to prove him wrong.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:51 am
About the hammy issue, I brought up a question a few days back. It seems like we are always having issues with this. Every season. So I was wondering if it had to do with conditioning, or is it that our players are all athletes that eventhough they are fast and athletic, they are not really built for football.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:51 am
If it takes what another coach says to motivate these players Tom Cable should be publicly tarred and feather then fired. I lobbied to keep him for consistency purposesbut right now he isn’t worth the golf balls that Al davis uses for his walker.
trade Tom Cable for a Hover ‘Round.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Until we get consistent impact play from the S positions, we are not going to win many games.
Schotty’s comments are a direct shot at the defense, and we all know it to be true!
October 6th, 2010 at 11:56 am
everybody in here hates Marty Schottenheimer & Mike Shanahan, but who many of us would rather have one of these guys than Callahan, Turner, Shell, Kiffin or Cable ???
October 6th, 2010 at 11:56 am
The Raiders run one of the softest training camps in the league, per Al Davis.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Until we get consistent impact play from the S positions, we are not going to win many games.
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Uuhhhh..
what about the front seven on D ???
October 6th, 2010 at 11:57 am
LOL, good ole marty, he sure hit the nail then, the problem is that it still is true..
October 6th, 2010 at 11:58 am
I will even go one better.
I WOULD PUT JASON CAMPBELL IN THE GAME!!!!!
Jason should be starting because we don’t know what he can do. I think he could make the throws once he is in rythm. They gave up on hik to quick.
Grads is a back up what you see is what you get. Like I said B- QB on his very best day! He has no timing to his play he is just a sand lot QB with a big heart.
With Campbell we will never know unless he getas on the field. Yeah, he might get killed w/ our o-line, but he may just catch fire and actually make our offense look like an offense. But I know they need Grads in there rolling out right 8 out of 10 times using half of the field to make a play. Simple for the defense to figure out. DHB and Murphy need to learn how to catch a fast ball 15-20 yards down the field using their speed. Not these lob passes Grads is throwing to them. Of course they are essy to catch but we need to get down the field and score. The best QBs in the league have timing down pat with their WRs and they put velocity on the ball. Grads just can’t do that!
October 6th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Yeah, Jerry Marty put that up before we went to our 5th SB and just how many SB’s has Marty coached in?
Back to the Houston game. That team is reallly good on offense and I wish we had played a lot better on defense to see where we really are. That was a great test but for some reason it’s obvious we didn’t answer
so as a result I’m still wondering just how good or bad for that matter this team really is.
I was upset about the offense at the game, but when I thought about it it was the perfect offense we were running but we just don’t have what it takes to get the best out of it. So maybe we should’ve been in a run oriented offense more.
I know Grads is still growing but man we could’ve and should’ve victimized that defense a lot more. I’m hopinh When Chaz is in there with DHB and Murphy our 3 wides pistol offense is more effective. Because we saw how defenses will struggle covering ZM in the formation now can we get the WR’s involved better?
I’m seeing that with a little better QB play we may be able to average as much as 25 points a game. We’re averaging 20 right now IMO we’re leaving on average 7-10 points on the field per game. Just due to inexperience at the QB position.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:59 am
rockstar, stop it. we would take them in heartbeat, but that’s not the point. lol…
October 6th, 2010 at 11:59 am
hahahaa this is the best thing that could have happened for our team, lol, put this in the locker room… lets go rip rivers in half..
October 6th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Uuhhhh..
what about the front seven on D ???
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Those guys are going to make mistakes, as do all front 7’s. We can’t have their mistakes turning into to TDs. 5-15yds, live to fight another day.
And where are the offsets for the TDs they give up? No ints or impact plays from them?
I’m a Huff supporter, but he’s playing like trash AT TIMES. Unfortunately 1 mistake by him = 7 pts.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
By the way I think our biggest problem is the defense. We get gutted like a fish up the middle every game. WHy we never went after a real nose guard or tackle in our scheme is beyond me. They knew Henderson was not that guy when they picked him up. LBs can’t do anything until we clog up the middle and well…our safties can’t tackle.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
the rivalry isn’t the same with Haley, McDaniels or Turner … but I still expect all those teams to steamroll us this year
October 6th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:58 am
I will even go one better.
I WOULD PUT JASON CAMPBELL IN THE GAME!!!!!
Jason should be starting because we don’t know what he can do. I think he could make the throws once he is in rythm. They gave up on hik to quick.
Grads is a back up what you see is what you get. Like I said B- QB on his very best day! He has no timing to his play he is just a sand lot QB with a big heart.
With Campbell we will never know unless he getas on the field. Yeah, he might get killed w/ our o-line, but he may just catch fire and actually make our offense look like an offense. But I know they need Grads in there rolling out right 8 out of 10 times using half of the field to make a play. Simple for the defense to figure out. DHB and Murphy need to learn how to catch a fast ball 15-20 yards down the field using their speed. Not these lob passes Grads is throwing to them. Of course they are essy to catch but we need to get down the field and score. The best QBs in the league have timing down pat with their WRs and they put velocity on the ball. Grads just can’t do that!
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Lol are you speaking out against the heart and soul of this team, be careful Grads groupies want blood today. After all the complaints about checkdowns, people are applauding Gradkowski for checking down against the worst pass D in the league.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
# Drexl Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:29 am
# Jmackraider12 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:24 am
Mistic1, lol probly only one other guy running a route on that quadruple coverage pic, it was a play action max protection that was called
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Mistic1, You must first understand what you are looking at. He had two choices, throw it out of bounds or attempt to throw into tight coverage. Protection was breaking down around him. He chose the latter, same as a lot of other qb’s would do. It was not as bad a decision as you make it out to be.
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I get it max protection, but there was more than 1 reciever in the route, even if ti was the tight end or back leaking.
Regardless of how many recievers are there, you dont lob a wounded duck into quadruple coverage!
There is no excuse for that kind of bone headed play.
Please dont make his into grads vs. the back up, im only pointing out the mistakes that grads made. With better qb play we probably beat the texans. Even with our defense turning a sub par performance until the final 9 mins f the game.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
I will not be tricked again by Huff. His play is garbage on the field. He can not even wrap up a man and make a decent tackle. That is pony league technique.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:48 am
severeraiderz Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Jmackraider12 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:35 am
And i have noticed that in every game grad has played he has become progressively more mature with our offense, his turnover rate should go down game by game, in the end hes a slinger, but he will realize his weapons underneath are just has important as his weapons are vertically, and that has shown game by game..
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I have noticed the opposite. He played great against the Rams, pretty good in Ariz, and pretty poorly last week (against the worst pass D in the league). In that rams game he got DHb and Murphy involved and they performed, same in Ariz (though he did force a lot of passes), but last week the WR’s were no involved at all and he made even more bad throws. I think the constant hits are having an affect on him and teams are just game planning to take away what he likes to do.
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True about teams game planning for him eventually they will try and take away his vision which is limited, but as far as him reacting to the hits, he threw more check downs/and quick stuff this game than any other game this year, miller with ten catches, and dmac/bush combined for around ten along with reece, he was facing mario williams, so he checks down more. I think that this is an improvement, eventually i think the turnovers will decrease(im always positive) lol..but whatever agree to disagree
October 6th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Priesttj Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Yeah, Jerry Marty put that up before we went to our 5th SB and just how many SB’s has Marty coached in?
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Mention Al Davis’ record of 30-86, and some monkey brings up the 76′ Super Bowl.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Also no LT. I think we might pulled an upset this weekend… win 4 out of 5 and go into the bye at 5-4. WHO’S WITH ME!? lol…
October 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Severeraiderz
I know some will get upset with this but I agree that teams are starting to gameplan him. The Texans secondary sucks but they knew that if they forced him to thrw down the field his success rate goes way down. They never play bump and run and against us they did. Because they didn’t want t give up those short outs and comebacks that he likes to throw. More teams will look at the film and if he can’t adjust they’ll just take away our wideouts becaue they know he can’t hit them deep. He has to show that if the press he will send it downfield accurately. So we’ll see.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
with better qb play yeah, if we had peyton and the colts o-line maybe, wait they lost to the texans too…
October 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Later peoples. I’ll be back.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
# KoolKell Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:56 am
The Raiders run one of the softest training camps in the league, per Al Davis.
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The niners under walsh adn seifert ran camp pads free 95% of the time, and won 5 superbowls doing it that way.
Its not the camp, its not the schemes, its not davis, its a lack of execution by proffesional players.
Trust me nfl players dont need training camp to learn how to tackle and block. If you cant do it by now you never will.
” if he dont bite when he’s a puppy, he probably never will”
Bill parcells.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
#29 Mistic1 – Why are you even trying to reason with these guys? They are part of the Grads “Heart of a Lion” Fan Club. They can’t hear you in their mind he is RIch Gannon and does no wrong. He is one play away from being the next Drew Breese. He is a back up forced to start!!!
They know d@mn well he threw into triple coverage and that is never acceptable. You throw the ball away!!! At the half he held on to the ball way to long. He should have threw it our of bounds. Instead it cost us a field goal right at the half.
Grads is an OK QB. You can’t make an good hamburger a T-bone steak! It is a good hamburger!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
KK LOL that was in response to Jerry not you lol everything is the record………..you’e sick dude!
Marty talking about the Raiders is like Alex Spanos saying that Al Davis doesn’t know how to win SB’s. Davis has 3 Spanos 0 it’s hollow.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
# priesttj Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Severeraiderz
I know some will get upset with this but I agree that teams are starting to gameplan him. The Texans secondary sucks but they knew that if they forced him to thrw down the field his success rate goes way down. They never play bump and run and against us they did. Because they didn’t want t give up those short outs and comebacks that he likes to throw. More teams will look at the film and if he can’t adjust they’ll just take away our wideouts becaue they know he can’t hit them deep. He has to show that if the press he will send it downfield accurately. So we’ll see.
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Some of us have said all along that in this offense you must be able to get the ball deep. grads struggles mightily in this area, we are seeing the result over the last 2 1/2 games.
Maybe he magically becomes someone else in time for the dischargers.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Mistic1 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Its not the camp, its not the schemes, its not davis, its a lack of execution by proffesional players.
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The Raiders have the same access to the same pool of college athletes the rest of the NFL does.
Come up with another excuse.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:56 am
everybody in here hates Marty Schottenheimer & Mike Shanahan, but who many of us would rather have one of these guys than Callahan, Turner, Shell, Kiffin or Cable ???
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Shanahan, yes. Schittenheimer, no.
Marty way too conservative. Boring offense. No imagination.
He also needs to look in the mirror about ‘not finishing’. Something he’s notorious for in the playoffs. Although he does deserve credit for getting there.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
They are part of the Grads “Heart of a Lion” Fan Club. They can’t hear you
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LMFAO!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
They knew Henderson was not that guy when they picked him up. LBs can’t do anything until we clog up the middle and well…our safties can’t tackle
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Hendersons only game with signifigant playing time is the only game we were competent against the run. We held STL to 75yds and no TDS. Also coincidentally its the only game we won… I would say Henderson is exactly the guy we need at this point.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Watch what happens by the end of the season. Critics will say I am not sure why the Raiders picked up Campbell and never gave him a chance. I mean heck they gave up a draft pick for the guy.
He will get traded go to another team and have a decent career watch!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Grads hour is up, back to McClain.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Since I was at the Houston game I was able to watch the wideouts a little more than I can on TV.
They were bad against a bad DB lineup. Maybe they were hurt or whatever but they were getting NOTHING done. You supposed Raider fans ought to be thanking your lucky stars that Bruce Gradkowski was hitting Zach and that McFadden and eventually Bush were getting some yards. Or it would have been 45-6.
I don’t know why no one in this organization didn’t get an insurance policy for Chaz. Stup!d. Murphy and DHB are just not ready to be No.1 guys. That’s not a knock on them, but young WRs take a few years to be consistently productive (see Vincent Jackson or any of thousands of NFL wrs). The OLine was bad as well. Not a good day for them.
But ultimately you can’t win many games giving up 30something points.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
I would love to see us bust sum skulls out there sunday, and yeah grads gotta stretch the field using the sidelines, i don’t know why u guys think that he cant hit anything deep, from my perspective a lot of his success is right down the middle of the field in the seam, in that area he will deliver a dime like he did with Higgins, he throws well deep middle. And he can throw deep on the sidelines…but…
If you were him would you trust your o-line with enough time to hit a streaking DHB after a play fake..no,, that’s why he throws more semi deep stuff to the middle, because hes afraid to open his body to the outside. I guess that’s his fault though, he has yet to prove that he can hit the deep sideline throw and if he does prove it, the defense will open up…
October 6th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Grads hour is up, back to McClain.
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LOL @ Drex
wait a second. these semi pros haven’t got Higgins & Huff out of thier system quite yet
October 6th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Ok, let’s set something straight that I think we all agree on and from what I read I think everyone is saying….
GRAD IS NOT THE LONG TERM SOLUTION, HE IS NOT AN ELITE QB, AND HE IS NOT MAKING EVERY DECISION THE RIGHT DECISION.
BUT
HE IS THE BEST CHOICE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, HE IS MAKING DUE WITH WHAT IS GIVEN TO HIM IN A SUPPORTIVE CAST, AND HE IS PUTTING UP POINTS ON THE BOARD.
On top of all that, he keeps the offense motivated, and appears to at least keep us in games.
JC will get a chance sooner or later, and we’ll get to see what he brings to the table. I do agree that 6 quarters is not long enough to make a fair assessment of him. But it is long enough to see that RIGHT NOW Grad is the better choice.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Hill
I got ya.
I knew there had to be something behind it. LOL
October 6th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
McClain sucs.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
# KoolKell Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Mistic1 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Its not the camp, its not the schemes, its not davis, its a lack of execution by proffesional players.
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The Raiders have the same access to the same pool of college athletes the rest of the NFL does.
Come up with another excuse.
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There is no excuse for a lack of execution! This is a reflection of the head coach. Gruden was the last good coach we have had, surprise his teams executed. Cable hasnt been able to get the players to respond to him. They start flat, almost comatose, week in and week out, and fail to take care of fundamentals.
I think hu jack will get a better result, with so many youngsters, you need a head man that will get in your face when you screw it up. not a coach that saus its all the qb’s fault or if my auntie had a a set of nutz she would be my uncle.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Jerry, was this really necessary to blog? I can’t believe that they gave that guy a talk show. Even radio.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
I’m gonna call in and aak Marty about that 2006 Charger loss to the Pats in the playoffs. Seems to me he described his own team that day. I was rooting for the Chargers too. He has no business calling anyone out after that garbage.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
LMFAO!!!! I would take either one of these coaches and not think twice about it. How many years will it take for you all to figure out we suck!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have sucked for almost a decade now.
Shotenhimer knows we suck so bad he does not even have to worry about us being a threat. He put that out there in the media so we will be all worked up and create bone haed penalties. He does not respect the fact that we can beat them on the field.
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RAIDERMAN99 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:56 am
everybody in here hates Marty Schottenheimer & Mike Shanahan, but who many of us would rather have one of these guys than Callahan, Turner, Shell, Kiffin or Cable ???
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Shanahan, yes. Schittenheimer, no.
Marty way too conservative. Boring offense. No imagination.
He also needs to look in the mirror about ‘not finishing’. Something he’s notorious for in the playoffs. Although he does deserve credit for getting there.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
JC will get a chance sooner or later, and we’ll get to see what he brings to the table.
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Gardowski HAS to put a W on the board and quick, or you can bet your arsse their will be an intervention from the owner.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Mistic1 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Its not the camp, its not the schemes, its not davis, its a lack of execution by proffesional players.
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The Raiders have the same access to the same pool of college athletes the rest of the NFL does.
Come up with another excuse.
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It is none of the above. The fact is the players are NEVER held accountable. Arian Foster was late to a meeting and was benched for a quarter and a half. He is the leading rusher in the NFL right now. Houston disciplined a player, and was better for it. We dont do that… ever. I can not recall even ONE instance where an Oakland player was held out of a game for disciplinary reasons.
Accountability is the word of the day. There is none in Oakland. Why do you think the offense plays better for Gradkowski than it did for Russell or Campbell? He holds them accountable. He gets after them in the huddle. He is a leader. Our coaching staff protects the players instead of getting after them.
I would have the entire defense running wind sprints from sun up to sun down after last weeks performance.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
I knew there had to be something behind it. LOL
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I had actually planned on unscrambling his name if we won is Az, lol.
That delay of game penalty he took at the half yard line still has me pissed!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
tentative schedule for bashing:
6am-8am Jason Campbell or JaMarcus Russell
8am-10am Bruce Gradkowski
10am-12pm Tom Cable or Hue Jackson
12pm-2pm offensive line
2pm-4pm WR Corps
4pm-5pm Rolando McClain (darn, I was early!)
5pm-7pm D-Line
7pm-9pm Secondary
9pm-10pm Happy Hour (Kool-Aid specials welcome)
10pm-12am rest of LB Corps
12am-2am special teams
2am-6am Al Davis
October 6th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
I’m gonna call in and aak Marty about that 2006 Charger loss to the Pats in the playoffs. Seems to me he described his own team that day. I was rooting for the Chargers too. He has no business calling anyone out after that garbage.
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I am a Raiders fan to the bone but how are you going to call him out? At least he went to the playoffs in 2006. When was the last time we were even mentioned as a possible to make the playoffs? LMAO!!!!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
JLofty Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Jerry, was this really necessary to blog? I can’t believe that they gave that guy a talk show. Even radio.
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Sheesh, people accuse me of whining…….
October 6th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I think hu jack will get a better result, with so many youngsters, you need a head man that will get in your face when you screw it up. not a coach that saus its all the qb’s fault or if my auntie had a a set of nutz she would be my uncle.
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Any coach that would lay a failed season at the feet of a guy in his second year as a starting QB, throwing to ROOKIE WRs with a garbage OL that he put together, deserves to be tarred and feathered, not given another year.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
He holds them accountable. He gets after them in the huddle. He is a leader.
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Cable was talking about a need for someone like that in the defensive huddle.
He hesitated on using the words leadership, but went on ahead and said it anyway.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Gannon said the same thing in KC and told his new Raider team this was the perception of them league-wide.
We need HARD @$$E$ in here. Guys who keep themselves and the rest of the team accountable and this CERTAINLY includes coaches.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
J Hill Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
He holds them accountable. He gets after them in the huddle. He is a leader.
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Cable was talking about a need for someone like that in the defensive huddle.
He hesitated on using the words leadership, but went on ahead and said it anyway.
Wow, didn’t even read this post before I posted mine, but this is exactly it.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
tentative schedule for bashing:
2am-6am Al Davis
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He has been bashed so much that he is not even worthy of decent blog hours. Al is not even “bash worthy business” anymore LOL!!!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
# bcz24 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Mistic1 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Its not the camp, its not the schemes, its not davis, its a lack of execution by proffesional players.
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The Raiders have the same access to the same pool of college athletes the rest of the NFL does.
Come up with another excuse.
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It is none of the above. The fact is the players are NEVER held accountable. Arian Foster was late to a meeting and was benched for a quarter and a half. He is the leading rusher in the NFL right now. Houston disciplined a player, and was better for it. We dont do that… ever. I can not recall even ONE instance where an Oakland player was held out of a game for disciplinary reasons.
Accountability is the word of the day. There is none in Oakland. Why do you think the offense plays better for Gradkowski than it did for Russell or Campbell? He holds them accountable. He gets after them in the huddle. He is a leader. Our coaching staff protects the players instead of getting after them.
I would have the entire defense running wind sprints from sun up to sun down after last weeks performance.
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This is absolute truth. That falls on the head coach. the players (vets, leaders) should hold each other to a high standard. this is the way ti was in our sb and championship teams. When that is not enough the coach must step in. We havnt seen that since gruden benched charlie garner, and jerry porter.
Come on cable sack up, some body check this cat for a pulse, he stands on the side line like weekend at bernies!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Truth be told Chester McGlokton went to KC and heard that same crap and he was one of the players Marty was talking about. They know around the league that the Raiders were getting fruatrated with the # of penalties called agaisnt them as oppsoed to their opponents and it would get into their heads and they’d proceed to beta themselves. In the old days knew that and would beat the refs and the other team by way of execution. But Tim Brown and Chester and that whole era would let the refs take them out of their game. And other teams wuld provoke them knowing the refs would flag the Raiders.
Well Marty used that to his advantage and beat us a lot and so did Mike Shanahan. They relied on the help from the refs and the Raiders overeaction to it. When Gruden came somehow he got them to focus better. And they started to win and believe that they could still win regardless to what the refs did. But even Gruden saw that the refs were very much agaisnt us in the Tuck Rule game and IMO he wanted out. becaus ehe didn’t think he could ever win here because of that fact. Until the next season he was playing the Raiders in the SB.
I had a conversaion with Bill Callahan’s wife the day he was hired and at that time i was really close to this team and that’s what I gathered from everything I had been hearing up to that point. Other teams used the refs to help beat us and they still do in the division.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
He has been bashed so much that he is not even worthy of decent blog hours. Al is not even “bash worthy business” anymore
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LOL
well said CJL!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Adios!!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
priesttj Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
I had a conversaion with Bill Callahan’s wife the day he was hired and at that time i was really close to this team and that’s what I gathered from everything I had been hearing up to that point. Other teams used the refs to help beat us and they still do in the division.
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bwahahahahahaha!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Agreed!
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RaiderDebo Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I think hu jack will get a better result, with so many youngsters, you need a head man that will get in your face when you screw it up. not a coach that saus its all the qb’s fault or if my auntie had a a set of nutz she would be my uncle.
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Any coach that would lay a failed season at the feet of a guy in his second year as a starting QB, throwing to ROOKIE WRs with a garbage OL that he put together, deserves to be tarred and feathered, not given another year.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Bcz24 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Accountability is the word of the day. There is none in Oakland. Why do you think the offense plays better for Gradkowski than it did for Russell or Campbell? He holds them accountable. He gets after them in the huddle. He is a leader. Our coaching staff protects the players instead of getting after them.
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I agree with that. Nobody is accountable, EXCEPT the scapegoat of the year, usually the HC.
Does Al Davis ever accept any accountability? does he stand-up and face the media & fans.
They allowed Russell to hide
They allow McClain to hide
Al Davis hides.
HC tries to hold players accountable, and player go whines to Al Davis.
Can HC bench people? Hell No.
Yeah, no accountability.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
There is no excuse for a lack of execution! This is a reflection of the head coach. Gruden was the last good coach we have had, surprise his teams executed.
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Grudens offense in Oakland was a great deoderant for a defense that isnt much better than ours is now. Very poor run defense, but it didnt matter because you couldnt run your way to victory against a team that would hang 35 on you. Our offense was composed of some of the best veteran talent around. They didnt need to be held accountable… they did it themselves. Gruden would also get after people if they screwed up…
October 6th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Hey guys, im just throwing this out there, what qb, if any, do you know for a fact, that could do great, and i say great because a lot of people are criticizing every grad mistake(and u have a right to). What qb do you guys know of that could be a pro bowler in our system on this team??
PLZ ANSWER: MYSTIC
CJ LEGEND
October 6th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
priesttj Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
I had a conversaion with Bill Callahan’s wife the day he was hired and at that time i was really close to this team and that’s what I gathered from everything I had been hearing up to that point. Other teams used the refs to help beat us and they still do in the division.
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bwahahahahahaha!
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Yeah right! LOL!!!!!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
I agree with that. Nobody is accountable, EXCEPT the scapegoat of the year, usually the HC.
=============================================================== is cable a scape goat in this case? or is he truly a major reason this team is not winning?
I say he is a poor head coach that deserves the criticism he is getting.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
I swear I’m looking forward to Harbaugh coaching the Raiders next year.
Can’t wait to get all the inside scoop from Priest via his cousin Chester MCGlockton!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Just plug him in and he would be terrific and would do everything Peyton manning style??
October 6th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Zach Miller, in an interview on Comcast Post Game show with Bill Romanoski and Tony Romo hosting, “I guess we DIDN’T WANT IT as much as they did.”
Everybody knows it is true what Marty shtinhimer says. But these guys are like water wet drift wood. You can’t light a fire under them.
I was in row of the black hole. Got there an hour early and watched the warm up. In particular front 7. They are giants but they were dry and flat uninspired. I yelled, “DO YOU WANT IT!! THEY ARE NOT GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU! YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT!…DO YOU WANT IT!!!” They answered tacitly: NOOOOOOOOOO.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
mistic1 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
# KoolKell Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:56 am
The Raiders run one of the softest training camps in the league, per Al Davis.
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The niners under walsh adn seifert ran camp pads free 95% of the time, and won 5 superbowls doing it that way.
Its not the camp, its not the schemes, its not davis, its a lack of execution by proffesional players.
Trust me nfl players dont need training camp to learn how to tackle and block. If you cant do it by now you never will.
” if he dont bite when he’s a puppy, he probably never will”
Bill parcells.
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Al Davis picks these players, has veto power over every decision, undermines his own coaches, and insists on implementing systems straight out of the 70s.
Al’s laissez faire approach to discipline creates the conditions under which players fail, and if you still think it’s a talent issue you’re deluded. It’s an ownership issue.
As for you Grads bashers, get a life. He’s the best we got and, frankly, his passion and heart are the ONLY THING making this team watchable. Al put his $30 mil down on Russell and got burned. Live with it.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
How can you scapegoat Cable
He has no control of roster
No control over his staff
No control over schemes they play
I’m no Cable fan, but get real.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
# sirblitzalot Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Zach Miller, in an interview on Comcast Post Game show with Bill Romanoski and Tony Romo hosting, “I guess we DIDN’T WANT IT as much as they did.”
Everybody knows it is true what Marty shtinhimer says. But these guys are like water wet drift wood. You can’t light a fire under them.
I was in row of the black hole. Got there an hour early and watched the warm up. In particular front 7. They are giants but they were dry and flat uninspired. I yelled, “DO YOU WANT IT!! THEY ARE NOT GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU! YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT!…DO YOU WANT IT!!!” They answered tacitly: NOOOOOOOOOO.
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if that is really true than i have lost hope, that is upsetting..
October 6th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
I was having an affair with the wife of the cousin of the brother of the cab driver that Chuck Bresnahan once called after he’d been out drinking one night and couldn’t drive home and she used to tell me that the team’s troubles were the fault of the refs, the media, little green men in spaceships and killer amoebas.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Marty Schottenhiemer is right. The Raider players don’t have no pride and no heart. If you kick a dog over and over, eventually he is going to bite. The Raiders are the dog that’s getting kicked but they never seem to bite. Tom Cable need to post that comment rom Marty in bold print in the locker room.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
I was in row of the black hole. Got there an hour early and watched the warm up. In particular front 7. They are giants but they were dry and flat uninspired. I yelled, “DO YOU WANT IT!! THEY ARE NOT GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU! YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT!…DO YOU WANT IT!!!” They answered tacitly: NOOOOOOOOOO.
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No surprise at all… just like Lamar Houston saying people arent true Raiders fans because we question the teams Pride and Will and Desire. They are ALL collecting paychecks… because they are allowed to. No discipline. No accountability.
Everyone talks about committment to excellence… Pride and Poise was always my favorite Raiderism. The Oakland Raiders display neither.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Al Davis plays one coach off against the other…….get real.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
priesttj Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Severeraiderz
I know some will get upset with this but I agree that teams are starting to gameplan him. The Texans secondary sucks but they knew that if they forced him to thrw down the field his success rate goes way down. They never play bump and run and against us they did. Because they didn’t want t give up those short outs and comebacks that he likes to throw. More teams will look at the film and if he can’t adjust they’ll just take away our wideouts becaue they know he can’t hit them deep. He has to show that if the press he will send it downfield accurately. So we’ll see.
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I and others have been saying for weeks now that most of the passes that Grads were completing were short and to the sidelines and when teams took that away he has gotten worse with each passing week. He has to show that he can hit someone over the top because we have to keep the safeties honest. pollard was cheating up all game….and no one should know that better than Grads.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
How can you scapegoat Cable
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He’s had 2 opportunities to call TO’s and had failed to get the attention of the refs.
Also, his pregame speeches lack emotion!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Why is it, that no established NFL coach will work there, get real.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Other teams used the refs to help beat us and they still do in the division.
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BHP, they don’t need to use the refs, they use our gameplan against us.
We took, what 1 or 2 penalties on Sunday? Kubiak just took advantage of the Raiders tendency to quit when their feelings get hurt.
This has and never HAD anything to do with refs.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
I guess you guys are not watching the same completions i am..how about all those daggers he knifes through the middle of the field, yeah i know he likes the comebacks on the sideline, what QB do you guys know of(besides the top 8 in the league) consistently go down field??? Orton wins games dinkin and dunkin the whole time..
October 6th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
This is why nothing changes until COA retires/steps down. Or at least gets some help running the org.
Nothing.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
ohioraider Says:
Al Davis picks these players, has veto power over every decision, undermines his own coaches, and insists on implementing systems straight out of the 70s.
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This is pure nonsense!
All team owners have veto power and most have final say, a lot of owners are not foot ball guys. Al Davis is!
He has given Cable so much rope, cable could be a cowboy! He hasnt undermined him, he is allowing him to run it his way and it isnt working.
We dont run a system from the seventies. We ran zone blitzes, elephant pressure schemes, along with our press man. That is state of the art, players didnt get it done! I dont remember many 3-4 wide receiver single back sets in the seventies!
The owner should not be the sheriff in the locker room! This is up to team leaders and coaches!
You want it both ways. If he is deeply involved in day to day ops, (which he is no longer) who plays, who doesnt, who gets disciplined, he is meddlesome. When he is hands off like now he is too lackadaisical.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Kubiak just took advantage of the Raiders tendency to quit when their feelings get hurt.
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This.
This team has folded up the tent and walked away every year for the past 7 years when the sledding got tough.
What happens Sunday in terms of effort is gonna tell us all we need to know about the rest of the year, win or lose.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Jmackraider12 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Hey guys, im just throwing this out there, what qb, if any, do you know for a fact, that could do great, and i say great because a lot of people are criticizing every grad mistake(and u have a right to). What qb do you guys know of that could be a pro bowler in our system on this team??
PLZ ANSWER: MYSTIC
CJ LEGEND
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Of course:
Drew Breeze
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Big Ben
Possibles:
Carson Palmer
Eli Manning
Henne (maybe quick release)
Maybe J Campbell but we will never know because he is sitting on the sideline already practicing for his next gig.
When you have a sorry line you need to be able to read and release the ball quickly out the pocket or check down.
They put a lot of velocity on the ball, read quick, release quick and they have strong arms.
I am not criticizing every Grad play. Most of the time the guy does good just staying alive and creating something with the break down. But I am not going to make him something he is not. Lots of times he looks out of control and he can make some stupid plays during the game as well.
People forget this is Grads third team and the coach Gruden who we all seem to love the most and we know knows QBs. Cut him at Tampabay! He also runs straight up to much and takes big hits for nothing yardage. His strong point is a spark offf the bench when he has nothing to loose. He plays great as a back up, like Charlie Bach did for Big Ben a # of years!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Lamar Houston, in an interview on Comcast Post Game show with Bill Romanoski and Tony Romo hosting, “We just got out schemed.” A rookie making such a statement!
Based on the fact that the Texans running backs were not even touched by a Raider defender on some of those runs, Houston is correct! But LH did get his az whupped in the process.
COACHING IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. TC is a sub-par headcoach, so he should be FIRED!!! What good is a sub-par head choach? After we get blown to bits by S.D., Al please FIRE TOM CABLE! We need to start getting ready for next year.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
# mistic1 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
ohioraider Says:
Al Davis picks these players, has veto power over every decision, undermines his own coaches, and insists on implementing systems straight out of the 70s.
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This is pure nonsense!
All team owners have veto power and most have final say, a lot of owners are not foot ball guys. Al Davis is!
He has given Cable so much rope, cable could be a cowboy! He hasnt undermined him, he is allowing him to run it his way and it isnt working.
We dont run a system from the seventies. We ran zone blitzes, elephant pressure schemes, along with our press man. That is state of the art, players didnt get it done! I dont remember many 3-4 wide receiver single back sets in the seventies!
The owner should not be the sheriff in the locker room! This is up to team leaders and coaches!
You want it both ways. If he is deeply involved in day to day ops, (which he is no longer) who plays, who doesnt, who gets disciplined, he is meddlesome. When he is hands off like now he is too lackadaisical.
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Goat cheese KK, please answer the man. You seem to be an expert on all things AD.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
So sick of stuff like thiS:
Miller says “We just didn’t want it enough.”
Houston says “We got outschemed.”
Cable says “We got our butts whipped at the line of scrimmage.”
I agree with all of those things, but I’ve also been hearing them 11-14 weeks a year now since 2003. Can’t the coaches and players, you know….fix that kind of thing?
October 6th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Trade DMAC for Marty Schottenheimer!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Great news… John Henderson is on crutches and RoMac is not at practice.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Interesting piece about how Atlanta turned their fortunes around very quickly. So I ask you, if Al’s still got it, why can’t he duplicate this success?
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/10/with_a_solid_qb_and_winning_co.html
October 6th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
# KoolKell Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
How can you scapegoat Cable
He has no control of roster
No control over his staff
No control over schemes they play
I’m no Cable fan, but get real.
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Cable benched campbell davis is big fa. I know it was hu jacks idea but cable has final say. Cable benched then cat jafatass, davis number one pick. he cleaned out mal contents. he has complete control over this roster.
The zbs is cable’s scheme, he had evry opportunity to run it with out interference from davis. No control over schemes?
Some people on this blog like to push ideas that have been rumored yet seldom proven.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Actual good news, Shaughnessy is starting at RE finally
October 6th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
I can’t argue with that. He does make plays but he also seems to make bone head plays at the wrong time during the course of the came. Sometimes he tries so hard to make a play that he gets his self in trouble. Brett Farve does the same thing but his talent and arm usually make up for it. Note that I said “usually.” Grads needs to do a better job of putting the ball down field in rythm but how do you do that with a line that makes you roll right every game because of a weak pocket.
Love the guys heart. I just don’t think he has the “it” factor. Sorry!
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Jmackraider12 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
I guess you guys are not watching the same completions i am..how about all those daggers he knifes through the middle of the field, yeah i know he likes the comebacks on the sideline, what QB do you guys know of(besides the top 8 in the league) consistently go down field??? Orton wins games dinkin and dunkin the whole time..
October 6th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Bcz, where you gettin’ the info?
October 6th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Well I told Debo repeatedly last year that Bruce Gradkowski would be on NFL rosters long after Jamarcus’ career ended.
I say the same thing for Campbell. He is about UFL worthy, and being that Gradkowski has serious value as backup, I see him being in the league for the same amount of time as a Todd Collins, so he has about another 8-10 years in the league.
Anyone want to bet?
October 6th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
DMAC (regarding HJ) in an interview prior to the Houston game: “He is all over the field, even pumping up the defense. He is a good coach that get’s us fired up.” Really? If that isn’t a spark by a key player to replace Cable with JH, then what was the point of that comment?
October 6th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Great news… John Henderson is on crutches and RoMac is not at practice
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BCZ,
you can’t be serious
October 6th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Twitter… Vito Tarfur
October 6th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
All this discussion about our defense reminds me of a great piece of footage I once saw of John McKay, the guy who coached those early Tampa Bay teams.
He’s standing on the sidelines and says to himself, “We can’t stop a run or a pass. Otherwise we’re in great shape.”
That’s gone through my mind a lot lately. And I’ll probably be posting that little anecdote a few more times before the season is over, sadly.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
you can’t be serious
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If you mean about the “Great news” part, that would be accurate. Otherwise… yep I am serious
October 6th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
John Henderson on crutches. There aren’t enough swear words in the English language.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Jmackraider12 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
I guess you guys are not watching the same completions i am..how about all those daggers he knifes through the middle of the field, yeah i know he likes the comebacks on the sideline, what QB do you guys know of(besides the top 8 in the league) consistently go down field??? Orton wins games dinkin and dunkin the whole time..
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Other than Zach and the occasional WR 80% of his passes completed are shallow and to the sideline watch every game starting with the rams, it is impossible to deny.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Not only is Henderson on crutches, but Tafur says that he didn’t want to talk to anybody, when he’s usually pleasant and upbeat.
Great.Probably out for weeks, then.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Marcus Allen 1996
Says Allen, who signed with the Kansas City Chiefs as a free agent in 1993, “I always felt we had the best personnel in football, but the best personnel wasn’t always on the field. We had to win a certain way or no way. Sometimes we sacrificed winning for a philosophy—or one man’s philosophy.”
October 6th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
It is a sad day for the Raiders when Marty is completely correct.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
I will take Chaz Schillens over John Henderson in the amount of games played this year.
Jerry said league sources abound told him Henderson had nothing left in the tank. Looks like the Rams game was his last dance, and 20 plays was about 16 too many for him.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Behind Enemy Lines. Chargers invade the Raider Nation:
http://behindenemylines.yahoo.com/
October 6th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Does anyone think things would be diffrent if we had all of our starters at full capacity? We do have a # of key players hurt not making excuse, I am just wondering. This team looks a lot better on paper I tell you.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Nnamdi 2009:
“We’re a team that chooses to be who we are regardless of who we’re playing against and regardless of the matchups or the things that the other team is going to present,” Asomugha said. “We’ve got one way of doing it and that’s what we do, and teams can get us into some tough situations. And teams know that, so communication can break down sometimes, just because we’ll see what other teams in the league won’t see, because of the nature of our defense, so it doesn’t matter what week it is.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
So did Henderson have a broken bone in his foot, torn muscle, tendon? Finally decide to have a doctor look at it?
Arg.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Not only is Henderson on crutches, but Tafur says that he didn’t want to talk to anybody, when he’s usually pleasant and upbeat.
Great.Probably out for weeks, then.
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If I had to guess, after seeing the doctor for the foot that just wouldnt heal he ended up needing surgery, probably something close to Schilens injury. Probably gonna be out until the bye… All guesses by me. Lets wait and see!
October 6th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Shotty is a leader of men who demands attention to detail and discipline. I would be so happy to have a coach like Marty instead of the Al sycophants, like Cable. Cable is a joke and I am certain no one in that locker room respects him as a leader of men.
October 6th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
The Raiders have actually been playing harder and more consistently. They had a chance to come back in the Texans game had Murph not dropped one and should’ve beaten the Cards too.
This is motivational fodder but Ihope it works.
Watching the game last night and Seymour’s pretty frikkin good.
Too bad Hendu couldn’t be in. Kelly looks washed up. With Hendu and Seymour they rarely get pushed off the line. Kelly’s always about 2 yds off the LOS at the snap.
Like Sapp when he lost all that weight, like Sands when he lost all that off season weight, Kelly’s over.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
This team looks a lot better on paper I tell you.
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The unofficial motto of the Oakland Raiders from 2003-2010 (and beyond!)
October 6th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
# KoolKell Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Marcus Allen 1996
Says Allen, who signed with the Kansas City Chiefs as a free agent in 1993, “I always felt we had the best personnel in football, but the best personnel wasn’t always on the field. We had to win a certain way or no way. Sometimes we sacrificed winning for a philosophy—or one man’s philosophy.”
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Sour grapes?
October 6th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
I will take Chaz Schillens over John Henderson in the amount of games played this year.
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JFB,
John Henderson must have the same Podiatrist as Chaz Schilens!
trade Nick Miller for a good Podiatrist!
October 6th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Shotty is a leader of men who demands attention to detail and discipline. I would be so happy to have a coach like Marty instead of the Al sycophants, like Cable. Cable is a joke and I am certain no one in that locker room respects him as a leader of men.
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Sh*ten-heimer: “Theres a gleam men…”
Uuuugh…Don’t wanna hear about not being able to motivate. Marty motivates me to go on a spree.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Observers have known this for years.
We’ve seen the constant turnover of coaches, including the trade of the only winning coach the franchise has had since returning to Oakland in 1995. We’ve seen the abysmal drafts, choices made at the owner’s insistence. We’ve seen the misguided energy, the undermining, the players on “scholarship,” the petty bickering and the subjective treatment of individuals on and off the field, as well as those beyond the organization.
Above all, we’ve seen the losses come in waves, 64 in the 84 games, followed by Davis’ clever but transparent attempts to dodge responsibility for the decline of an organization formerly known for its unsurpassed might.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Drexl Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
# KoolKell Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Marcus Allen 1996
Says Allen, who signed with the Kansas City Chiefs as a free agent in 1993, “I always felt we had the best personnel in football, but the best personnel wasn’t always on the field. We had to win a certain way or no way. Sometimes we sacrificed winning for a philosophy—or one man’s philosophy.”
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Sour grapes?
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So thats the way it was and or is? So much for “Just Win baby”.
Is it win but only if you do it my way?
Davis is the only common denominator in the last 8 yrs.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
John Henderson wont be back for a while.
Richard Seymour still isn’t 100 percent
Tommy Kelly & Desmond Bryant are playing like undrafted guys (surprise!)
Jay Alford was cut.
so whats the solution? elevate Kellen Heard from the practice squad? re-sign William Joseph? trade for Fat Albert?
October 6th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Davis is the only common denominator in the last 8 yrs.
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Nope. Its Lechler and Sea-bass… they ARE the only common denominators! LOL
October 6th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
This team looks a lot better on paper I tell you.
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The unofficial motto of the Oakland Raiders from 2003-2010 (and beyond!)
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They fool alot of people every year. Man, in theory, this is a pretty good lookin team. No reason why they shouldn’t do well. But, they find a f’in way to lose…
October 6th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
elevate Kellen Heard from the practice squad
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If you’d suggested this even yesterday, I’d have laughed.
But at this point, why the hell not? The defensive line is disintegrating from incompetence into complete farce.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
John Henderson wont be back for a while.
Richard Seymour still isn’t 100 percent
Tommy Kelly & Desmond Bryant are playing like undrafted guys (surprise!)
Jay Alford was cut.
so whats the solution? elevate Kellen Heard from the practice squad? re-sign William Joseph? trade for Fat Albert?
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Nope.
Sign a 4.2 CB.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
so whats the solution? elevate Kellen Heard from the practice squad? re-sign William Joseph? trade for Fat Albert?
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None of the above. Stay the course is the motto on the old Pirate ship…. avast ye mateys!
October 6th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
If we were in a Nascar Race, and we blow a head gasket in the first quarter. You would run the rest of the race just because you started with a good engine, it just blew a head gasket! You would bring the car into the pit and change the head gasket immediately and get back in the race.
Can anybody honestly say that Cable is capable out coaching any of the Real HC in this league? He can’t outcoach the bottom dwellers! So change the freakn head gasket and lets get back in the race! NOW!
October 6th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Play with intensity this Sunday, defense! Hurt Rivers! Wrap Al up in his blanket and tape his mouth shut! Kick the Chargers bootey!!!
October 6th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Offer Marty a big contract and we’ll make the playoffs
October 6th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
elevate Kellen Heard from the practice squad
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If you’d suggested this even yesterday, I’d have laughed.
But at this point, why the hell not? The defensive line is disintegrating from incompetence into complete farce.
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Heard lacks technique but dear gawd, he can’t be worse than Alford?!
Know some of you don’t read it but Raider Nation Station has some good points no ones really talking much about like how WR/KR Yamon Figurs can make the team, play in games and then be ditched.
Then Alfraud plays in games, cost us points and games and then gets ditched.
Who’s making the personnel decisions that are so bad?!
Goes toward the whole thing. I think Cable may be out of his depth still.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
inonewordraider Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Offer Marty a big contract and we’ll make the playoffs
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And then lose everytime.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Marty was 27-6 against the Raiders so he is well qualified to say how to beat them. Wow. How can Al stand for that? That is an amazing record. Ouch!
October 6th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
sirblitzalot Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
If we were in a Nascar Race, and we blow a head gasket in the first quarter. You would run the rest of the race just because you started with a good engine, it just blew a head gasket! You would bring the car into the pit and change the head gasket immediately and get back in the race.
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I see where your going, but poor analogy… If you blow your head gasket your day is done. You cant repair it and continue on.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
All the BS we’ve been hearing since April and training camp and preseason comes down to this. Play like it’s the last game on Earth and beat the freakin Chargers!!! Don’t give up the big play! Fire up the troops, Cable, or get the heck out of town!
October 6th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Who’s making the personnel decisions that are so bad?!
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I’m no expert, but I believe in professional sports, it’s the general manager that makes personnel decisions. Who is that again?
October 6th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
If i was Coach Cable I would put those quotes on loud speakers all over 1220 Harbor BayParkway. Locker Room, Admin offices, Coaches office….EVERYWHERE! Play them over and over again, up until the kickoff. Play them in the stadium up until the pre-game introductions. Play it in the locker room during half-time. And tell the team that they are going to hear this and every other negative comment from every Raider Hater, Ex-Player and anyone else until they put together two complete games in a row. Players want to act like little children and get punched in the face by other teams and not fight back then they need to be treated like children until they produce.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
The Shannarat was 21-7 versus AL.. It is interesting that since the 90’s teams have had their way with the raiders and they are helpless to stop relentless butt whooppings. Marty and Shanny are 48-13 versus the Raiders that in itself says alot about AL.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 11:58 am
I will even go one better.
I WOULD PUT JASON CAMPBELL IN THE GAME!!!!!
Jason should be starting because we don’t know what he can do. I think he could make the throws once he is in rythm. They gave up on hik to quick.
Grads is a back up what you see is what you get. Like I said B- QB on his very best day! He has no timing to his play he is just a sand lot QB with a big heart.
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Another moronic hater.
1. He has no timing on his play? Did you forgot that Murphy compared Jawalrus to Grad last year and he said the diff was Grad was punctual!
2. We have not seen Campbell? WTF have you been watching earlier in the year? 6 qtrs under JC vs 6 qtrs under Grad. What was the diff and who do you think had more reps with the first unit all summer?
3. Backing to timing, you admitted that JC has no rythm yet you dare talk about timing?
STFU please.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
DT42 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
If i was Coach Cable I would put those quotes on loud speakers all over 1220 Harbor BayParkway. Locker Room, Admin offices, Coaches office….EVERYWHERE! Play them over and over again, up until the kickoff. Play them in the stadium up until the pre-game introductions. Play it in the locker room during half-time. And tell the team that they are going to hear this and every other negative comment from every Raider Hater, Ex-Player and anyone else until they put together two complete games in a row. Players want to act like little children and get punched in the face by other teams and not fight back then they need to be treated like children until they produce.
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That would be an awful waste of time… the players tune that garbage out. They collect their check, and there are NO ramifications for poor play. No accountability what so ever.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
I wonder how the uber-Al sycophant, Hererra would spin the Shanarat/Marty dominance of the Raiders? The Chargers will likely run their streak to 15. Pathetic..Just Pathetic.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
That would be an awful waste of time… the players tune that garbage out. They collect their check, and there are NO ramifications for poor play. No accountability what so ever.
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Well what they are doing now isn’t working. Players at any level do not want to disrespected. When they see that on Sportscenter and people that they respect are laughing at them they will respond.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Marty also said on sirius that the Raider roster is full of guys who are used to losing. I agree that their is no expectation of success anywhere within the Raider organization.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
FUG MARTY “I finish premature in my pants and the playoffs” Shotinbastard
October 6th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Kind of like the Chargers in the playoffs. They just cant finish. They will fold.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
“Some players showed disregard for authority. In one ugly incident, which occurred a few days before the Raiders’ 34-21 loss to the Cowboys on Nov. 19, defensive end Anthony Smith attacked his position coach, Floyd Peters, after Peters questioned his play during a meeting. Witnesses say the 6′3″, 265-pound Smith knocked the 60-year-old Peters to the ground while other players and coaches watched. Yet Smith started against Dallas, which disgusted many of his teammates.”
October 6th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Marty Schottenheimer prepared for the Raiders by telling his players, “If you hit them in the mouth, they’ll quit.”
October 6th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Well what they are doing now isn’t working. Players at any level do not want to disrespected. When they see that on Sportscenter and people that they respect are laughing at them they will respond.
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They will respond by laughing it off saying you are haters as they cash their checks. People blasted Jamarcus everywhere he went… he responded by going to the jewelry store. Our defense gives up 250 to Houston… they respond by watching the Godfather and playing Medal of Honor. You want to motivate an NFL player? Start levying fines for poor play. $5000 per missed tackle. $10000 per penalty…. they will start to pay attention then.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Marty Schottenheimer prepared for the Raiders by telling his players, “If you hit them in the mouth, they’ll quit.”
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Coach Cable prepared for the 2009 season by proving Marty right. He hit a coach in the face and the team quit.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
The sad fact is that Marty is correct. The entire organization is nut-less. The Raiders as an organization have been punched in the mouth for the past 8 years and have just quit. Any fan who wants to apologize for Al or think things will turn around with Al in charge are stupid.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
I love the Nation and I respect everyone’s comments here but a lot of people here still don’t get it.
(Now time for my rant…)
All this talk about QB’s is just plain ridiculous!
The truth is we will never know WHAT WE HAVE at the QB position until we get some stability and talent on that offensive line.
I keep seeing all this chatter about Gannon and Brees and all sorts of foolishness. But no one besides myself and maybe one other person has pointed out who Gannon had on that offensive line when he was here.
He had PRO BOWLERS and ALL PROS! He had Wisniewski, he had Barrett Robbins, he had Lincoln Kennedy! On top of that he had Tim Brown and Jerry Rice who in their old age were playing at a much higher level than what we have right now with any of our wide receivers.
Please stop talking about QB’s! Stop it! If Gannon was behind our current offensive line he would be having many of the same struggles that both Campbell and Grads are having. And taking the SAME HITS!
Remember what happened when Barrett Robbins and Lincoln Kennedy retired? That’s right Gannon got hit and his career ended.
Get a clue you guys please. Cable is an idiot. He is solely responsible for that O-line and has failed miserably.
I’ve been saying it since before the season started and will say it again..Fix the O-line…we win the division!
Fix the O-line and get a REAL NT…we stop the run and make it past the wild card game and to the AFC divisional playoff game.
That’s light years ahead of where we have been. But unfortunately that doesn’t appear to be happening any time soon.
Stop complaining about QB’s. We have way bigger problems on our team than that.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
bunch of old ladies in here.
you have posters posting the same asinine stats, over and over, too slow to come up with anything new.
you have the same posters going back and forth on grad/campbell, for so long that they actually start repeating earlier exchanges, and just go along.
and you have those who blame al for everything, and others who so desperately want to cling to stats from back in the 80’s, and 70’s.
did I leave anyone out?
some of you are pretty embarrassing
October 6th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
embarassing fans of an embarassing team, Sammy what did you expect? Us all to be in here blowin’ sunshine. I agree with you btw.
If we beat the Chargirls, season is a glorious redemption. If not, dudes start collecting paychecks again I suspect.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
As much as my Raiders are disappointing me on the Defensive side of the ball… I am glad they can at least score… They just got to keep building that O-line. If you can score, you can at least win… The D-Line is still talented enough, but no real leadership. Seymour was suppose to be that… Nmandi is ok, but he’s quiet… They need a Hue on D… I think Cable is done after this year.
October 6th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
It’s amazing how many haters have sirius talk shows. I think sirius is in on it. Ready…aim…fire!
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