Williams sick of Chargers’ streak
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, October 6th, 2010 at 1:37 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Losing 13 consecutive times to the same team is enough to tick off anybody.
Linebacker Sam Williams, who is among the most even-tempered, pleasant personalities on the Raiders, has had it with losing to the Chargers.
He was a rookie on Sept. 28, 2003, inactive and watching from the sideline, when the Raiders beat the Chargers 34-31.
So while teammates such as quarterback Bruce Gradkowski and Langston Walker chose to focus on the future, Williams is still smarting from the past.
“We don’t like it. We don’t like the Chargers at all. We don’t like anything about them,’’ Williams said. “We don’t like them, so we’re going to end this streak. That’s our goal . . . it’s something about the Chargers, San Diego and the Raiders that don’t mix.’’
Lechler, part of a Raiders team which won five of six from the Chargers from 2000 through 2002, also chose to address the streak head on rather than push it to the background.
“We talk about it. It was addressed this morning in a team meeting,’’ Lechler said. “We know what’s going on. It’s unfortunate, I thought we played well last year in the opener, down to the wire, could have gone either way.
“Even at their place it went back and forth for awhile. It’s our first division game, and we need this one bad. I mean, this could jumpstart us, get us back on track, and it’s something we haven’t done around here for awhile is beat the Chargers. It’s very much in the back of everybody’s mind.’’
More to come . . .
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October 6th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
we are too, Sam!
October 6th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Linebacker Sam Williams, who is among the most even-tempered, pleasant personalities on the Raiders, has had it with losing to the Chargers.
He was a rookie on Sept. 28, 2003, inactive and watching from the sideline, when the Raiders beat the Chargers 34-31.
So while teammates such as quarterback Bruce Gradkowski and Langston Walker chose to focus on the future, Williams is still smarting from the past.
“We don’t like it. We don’t like the Chargers at all. We don’t like anything about them,’’ Williams said. “We don’t like them, so we’re going to end this streak. That’s our goal . . . it’s something about the Chargers, San Diego and the Raiders that don’t mix.’’
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Sam Williams can’t be much worse than McLame at MLB
if Ricky Brown & Richard Seymour are starting with gimpy hamstrings then Wimbley & Kelly are going to be All-Pro against the Chargers to get this win
October 6th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
bunch of old ladies in here.
you have posters posting the same asinine stats, over and over, too slow to come up with anything new.
you have the same posters going back and forth on grad/campbell, for so long that they actually start repeating earlier exchanges, and just go along.
and you have those who blame al for everything, and others who so desperately want to cling to stats from back in the 80’s, and 70’s.
did I leave anyone out?
some of you are pretty embarrassing
October 6th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Chargers 34
Raiders 17
October 6th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
the Raiders were going through the paces with Ricky Brown in the middle, Kamerion Wimbley at strong side linebacker and Trevor Scott at weak side linebacker.
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John Marshall must have Mathews or Tolbert on his fantasy football team …
October 6th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Sam Williams = leader
October 6th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
did I leave anyone out?
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The ones who complain about people complaining!
October 6th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
So Williams is sick of the Chargers and Cable is mad at line of scrimmage issues?
Guess what guys? SO IS THE FANBASE. That’s why they stopped buying tickets.
Good god, stop saying you’re angry. Instead, go out, show it and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
J Hill Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
did I leave anyone out?
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The ones who complain about people complaining!
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Boom. Roasted.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Can we get a list of the players who have hurt their hamstring this year?
October 6th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
All this talk about QB’s is just plain ridiculous!
REPLY: and yet you’ve been doing it for weeks.
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I keep seeing all this chatter about Gannon and Brees and all sorts of foolishness. But no one besides myself and maybe one other person has pointed out who Gannon had on that offensive line when he was here.
REPLY: you want brownie points? go find a brownie
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Please stop talking about QB’s! Stop it!
REPLY: children should be seen, and not heard. or in your case, read. no tantrums online. it’s a rule. stop now, or they’ll be hell to pay
October 6th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
J Hill Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
did I leave anyone out?
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The ones who complain about people complaining!
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Boom. Roasted.
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easily entertained, I see.
that’s good.
means when traffic picks up, you can just watch it go by, while smiling and giggling.
good on you, mate
October 6th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Sam Williams = leader
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Agreed
Sam Williams is the “Gradkowski” of the defense!
October 6th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
# J Hill Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
did I leave anyone out?
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The ones who complain about people complaining!
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i assume you fell into one of those 3 categories.
you’ll get over it
October 6th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
if the Marshall plan is to start Ricky Brown with a gimpy hamstring … start him at OLB instead of Trevor Scott!
Scott = situational pass rusher.
nothing more, nothing less
SLB Wimbley
MLB Williams
WLB Brown
October 6th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
I mean, this could jumpstart us, get us back on track,
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Any given Sunday,,,,,,,,,,,,
October 6th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
The ones who complain about people complaining!
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i assume you fell into one of those 3 categories.
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You know you fell into the one category?
October 6th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
The one thing you could always count on with Schottenheimer was choking in the playoffs. Talk about someone who couldn’t finish. Those who live in glass houses Marty…
October 6th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
wOOOT!
Swing wide! the side purse to the mug is a killer.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
the Raiders were going through the paces with Ricky Brown in the middle, Kamerion Wimbley at strong side linebacker and Trevor Scott at weak side linebacker.
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John Marshall must have Mathews or Tolbert on his fantasy football team
LMAO!!!
October 6th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
San Diego – 37
Oakland – 13
Cable fired on Monday October 11th.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Chargers are 0-2 on the road losing to Sea and KC (not world beaters). Here’s to hoping that streak continues. I think the team will come out fired up, esp the D.
Hey ArmChair,
I hear your vent. Actually Dakota challenged me to compare Gannon to Bruce. I thought about it hard and found one piece of evidence where Gannon ran for his life. Look up the SB performance. Gannon’s line was getting hammered by Tampa and Simeon Rice. Gannon threw 2 TD’s, 5 picks, and 5 sacks. I think that was the only time in 2002 where our Oline was hammered. Enough said.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
I don’t know… anything to get Scott off the LOS is a good thing, IMO.
October 6th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Hey ArmChair,
I hear your vent. Actually Dakota challenged me to compare Gannon to Bruce. I thought about it hard and found one piece of evidence where Gannon ran for his life. Look up the SB performance. Gannon’s line was getting hammered by Tampa and Simeon Rice. Gannon threw 2 TD’s, 5 picks, and 5 sacks. I think that was the only time in 2002 where our Oline was hammered. Enough said.
There are lots of similarities, really.
Both were journeymen QBs prior to coming to Oakland who Gruden took notice to for reasons other than height-weight-arm strength.
Gannon never threw for 60% before his second year with Oakland, when they really got going. I believe they were 8-8 his first year and they had a guy named Tim Brown who could actually catch.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
# SammyTheBullSchit Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
All this talk about QB’s is just plain ridiculous!
REPLY: and yet you’ve been doing it for weeks.
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Sammythebullschit-
You’re nothing more than Ricochet reincarnated.
I talked about Grads being better than Campbell at this point in time. But I have also advocated for the o-line since before the season started, and I also stated that we would never get to see what
Campbell’s full potential was until we got an o-line.
It’s called a football ANALYSIS. I know that’s a really big word for you. But once you graduate from kindergarten maybe you’ll be able to read and keep up.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
anything to get Scott off the LOS is a good thing, IMO.
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I need Jhill to weigh in on the WLB spot
he complained about Groves the past 2 weeks and now that he’s injured Jhill’s least favorite Raider since Preseason Trevor Scott is starting in his place!
should Sam Williams be in the starting lineup?
the guy sounds fired up!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Darren Sproles is a dangerous return man!
anybody got the cell # for that pigeon?
October 6th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Dell, Dakota, Exla, JFB, Jhill, Marley, etc
did I claim anybody off waivers for my FF team today ???
I tried to get 3 guys … haven’t been able to check it from work!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Darren Sproles is a dangerous return man!
anybody got the cell # for that pigeon?
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1800-wer fked
October 6th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
aig-raiders Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
I think that was the only time in 2002 where our Oline was hammered.
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Translation = the only time Barret Robins went to Mexico before a game.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
anything to get Scott off the LOS is a good thing, IMO.
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I need Jhill to weigh in on the WLB spot
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Trevor Scott is terrible!
Better than him being on the LOS though. Really hope the Scott as a starting DE experiment is over.
I like Williams at MLB. I like Brown there too.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
After the 44-7 debacle against NYG last year, we posted Pierce’s comments all over the lockeroom and went out and played a pretty inspired game.
I think that was the first game with Thomas at SSLB and Scott at WLB.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
There are four kinds of posters here in my opinion:
1)Those who have no intelligent analysis to offer and just come on here to troll and get everybody riled up.
2)Those who are hopeless optimists and defend everything the Raiders do.
3)The hopeless pessimists who criticize everything the Raiders do.
3) Objective, sensible, Raider fans who point out the good and bad of the team in an objective manner.
Which one are you? That’s a rhetorical question.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Darren Sproles is a dangerous return man!
anybody got the cell # for that pigeon?
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Best kickoff contain all year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2msmYpNXic
October 6th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Looks like you got Scobee and Jacobs.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
There are four kinds of posters here in my opinion:
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what if you’re a bit of all 4?
Rockstar = Heinz 57
October 6th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Looks like you got Scobee and Jacobs.
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cool
who won the Terrell Owens sweepstakes ???
October 6th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Raiders – 41
Sparklers – 17
October 6th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Drexl,
Yeah, part of me still think what would happen if Barrett didnt flip out. The Bengals had a similar situation with their FB too in their SB with the Niners. He was all coked out.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Hey ArmChair,
I hear your vent. Actually Dakota challenged me to compare Gannon to Bruce. I thought about it hard and found one piece of evidence where Gannon ran for his life. Look up the SB performance. Gannon’s line was getting hammered by Tampa and Simeon Rice. Gannon threw 2 TD’s, 5 picks, and 5 sacks. I think that was the only time in 2002 where our Oline was hammered. Enough said.
There are lots of similarities, really.
Both were journeymen QBs prior to coming to Oakland who Gruden took notice to for reasons other than height-weight-arm strength.
Gannon never threw for 60% before his second year with Oakland, when they really got going. I believe they were 8-8 his first year and they had a guy named Tim Brown who could actually catch.
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Right on LA to TheBay.
When Gannon lost his Probowl center, he looked like an average QB in the superbowl. When he lost his Probowl tackle, he got injured the following season.
But nobody seems to focus on this. They all talk about Gannon like he came into the league like Peyton Manning when the truth is he was a journeyman, castoff QB who had many of the same criticisms against him that Gradkowski had.
The biggest difference between Grads and Gannon is not their style of play…it was the play of their offensive lines and wide receivers. When the line was successful, Gannon was successful. When the line fell apart, Gannon’s career ended.
But only a few people in here seem to be able to grasp that. It seems to be over their heads.smh
October 6th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Here is another ultimate slap in the face. My Niner friends are hoping that Chucky becomes their hc next year. Then Chucky would sign Grad off our restricted free agent list and pay us a 3rd round. Then they go on to the playoffs for the next 10 yrs.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Banana,
Raiders 24-21
Rivers 220 yards TD, 2 INT
Tolbert 105 yards TD
Mathews 80 yards TD (lost fumble)
Grads finds Zmiller & Murphy for scores. MBush runs one in. Jano makes a FG on our first offensive drive in the 1st quarter
October 6th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
The Raiders should have given the Patriots there 2nd rounder for Moss.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
The Raiders should have given the Patriots there 2nd rounder for Moss
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or signed Terrell Owens for next to nothing!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Too bad Sam Williams should not be in the NFL and will be happy to take annual charger butt-kicking!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Someone should post former raider coached records versus the raiders….shannarat is 21-7….norvell is at least 5-0
October 6th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Someone should post former raider coached records versus the raiders….shannarat is 21-7….norvell is at least 5-0
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I think the ones who go on to be assistants usually beat the Raiders also.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Raiders 24-21
Rivers 220 yards TD, 2 INT
Tolbert 105 yards TD
Mathews 80 yards TD (lost fumble)
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The keys to the game are …
Tyvon Branch vs Gates
Tyvon Branch vs play action
OLB vs Sproles
STs vs Sproles.
We will put up our 24 pts no problem.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Chargers 34
Raider 24
October 6th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Drexl,
Yeah, part of me still think what would happen if Barrett didnt flip out. The Bengals had a similar situation with their FB too in their SB with the Niners. He was all coked out.
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I was the biggest Robins fan. He destroyed DL’s all year. The news of his awol and scratch from the super bowl, with the knowledge of Chuckie’s Raider/Gannon insights destroyed any hope I had of winning that game before it even started. It surprises me that people do not recognize Gannon’s O-line was the real reason for his success. Who gives a fig if you have a “firey go get em” QB if the O-line dominates. They do not need to be fired up.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Was watching Dick LeBeau on NFL network last week and he was talking about pressure being more important than sacks.
“You just can’t let the QB sit back there and throw 7 on 7 …”
October 6th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Norvell 7-1
Shannrat 21-7
Shotty 27-6
October 6th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
How can the Raiders be the team of the decades if you lose 11 games for 7 straight seasons and then allow (shanny, Marty, and norvell) to go 55-14 against you?!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Yeah Sam. Oh yeah! Lets get it done this weekend. I need a Raider victory. My morale is ebbing….
October 6th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Norvell 7-1
Shannrat 21-7
Shotty 27-6
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we beat these guys 14 times???
no wonder Al Davis is in the Hall of Fame!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
This game is a make or break for Cable, players and fans. We win were in the hunt, we lose Cable’s gone, the players are emotionally out of it, and me and I would guess most fans are throwing in the towel
October 6th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
I could be wrong, but Marty did not lose to us at all in the nineties. I don’t see how Marty could say the things he often said about the raiders…”like they don’t finish”. “They quit” etc. and yet the Raiders kept getting their ass whooped every year by whichever team Marty coached..sad.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Hey Al, START DRAFTING LINEMEN HIGHER IN THE DRAFT!
Please!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Chargers 35- Raiders 24. We keep scoring 24, and we keep loosing.
So much for hillbilly theories.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Randy, I am afraid you might be right.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
All you doubting Debbies disgust me! Have some faith. This is a do or die game, and the Raiders will come through. I have a lot of confidence we will win this one. Raiders 27, Chargers 17.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
anybody downgrading rich “MVP” gannon is an idiot.remember when the chiefs won 12 games with rg,then put elvis grbac in and lost the game,a playoff game at that.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Hey Al, start looking at 40 times when you draft! we give up 80 yard runs like a college team, and our O rarely has long plays.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
I found this from the Topeka Capital-Journal, Nov 28, 1999 …….
Former Kansas City coach Marty Schottenheimer turned the semi- annual Chiefs-Raiders games into a jihad. He learned from Day One in Kansas City that beating the Raiders was a top priority for any coach hoping to remain in the employ of Lamar Hunt.
Schottenheimer consequently left no rock unturned in looking for snake-like behavior on the part of the Raiders.
“I remember Marty showing a highlight tape going way back to Ted Hendricks that had a lot of personal fouls, late hits and cheap shots,” Gannon remembered. “He wanted the players to take (the Raider rivalry) personally.
“A lot of that was Marty’s attempt to change a situation that existed prior to him coming to Kansas City,” Gannon added. “The Raiders had pretty much dominated the Chiefs in the 70s and 80s. He was determined to straighten that out, and he did a pretty good job of it.”
Did he ever. The Raiders, be they the Los Angeles or Oakland variety, won 10 of 13 games against the Chiefs from 1982 through 1988, the year before Schottenheimer’s arrival. After Raider Week became a passion in 1989, however, Kansas City won 17 of 20 regular- season games and one playoff contest during Schottenheimer’s 10-year tenure.
So one-sided was the Chiefs’ domination through the 1990s that the Chiefs eventually found it hard to work up a good lather for a team they kicked routinely.
“There was the feeling (fostered by Schottenheimer) that if you stayed in the game long enough, the Raiders would quit or fall apart in the fourth quarter,” Gannon explained. “The players believed in that, and it was a huge advantage.”
October 6th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
We’ll prob lose but I have to root for a win. Shootout. 31-28 Raiders.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Jhill: so in your humble opinion, if we shut down Sproles & Gates … we win this thang?
what about Tolbert & Mathews?
no concern about starting Seymour & R Brown with gimpy hamstrings ???
October 6th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Why Kirk so you can cut them after they miss 1 assignment?
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Kirk Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Hey Al, START DRAFTING LINEMEN HIGHER IN THE DRAFT!
Please!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
“The one constant yuo can count on in playing the Raiders is that they don’t finish. They don’t finish plays and they don’t finish games. I always told my players that if they keep playing hard against the Raiders, (the Raiders) would eventually fold. That is why I knew we would always win.
That is still the perception in the league today.”
October 6th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Gruden ended the Chief’s domination. Cable will end the Charger domination.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Im still in the dark as to why so many people here are so shocked by the way things are turning out. thi steam is clearly in a reloading phase. we have som good young talent and a few solid vets. Who thought that we would win more than 6-7 games this year??
This team is about where they should be, exactly who we thought they would be.
you have no o-line, your defense is totally revamped, still a line backer short. Our starting safeties have regressed badly. Your starting a career back up who is 5-13 as a starter with more turn overs than touch downs, not only for the year but for his career!
Our head coach is a joke! the results are surprising?
October 6th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
no one wins any big games when your running game disappears because you lose the best center and your best run blocking te.robbins and roland williams were out.b-rob could have blocked sapp.roland williams was a great blocker at te. busting on gannon shows lack of football knowledge
October 6th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
“There was the feeling (fostered by Schottenheimer) that if you stayed in the game long enough, the Raiders would quit or fall apart in the fourth quarter,” Gannon explained. “The players believed in that, and it was a huge advantage.”
October 6th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
ansas City quarterback Elvis Grbac remembered a story this past week that encapsulated Denver Coach Mike Shanahan, perhaps the smartest and most talented, yet most ruthless, head coach in the National Football League.
It was 1994 and Shanahan and Grbac were both with the San Francisco 49ers. Shanahan, the offensive coordinator, was working with Grbac before a game against Oakland. Shanahan had spent just over one season as coach of the Raiders before being dismissed by the owner, Al Davis. The breakup was bitter, and the two men despised each other, mainly because of a dispute over back pay.
Davis, as he does before almost every game, was walking the field, talking to players and others. Shanahan pulled Grbac aside, Grbac recalled, and gave an unusual order: ”See Al Davis over there? I want you to throw the ball right at him.”
A shocked Grbac replied: ”I can’t do that. If I hit him, do you know what he could do to me?”
Shanahan looked at Grbac with his intense glare and said, ”Throw the ball.”
So Grbac did. He threw a tight, hard spiral some 30 yards directly at the head of Davis. At the last second, Davis saw it and ducked, the ball missing him by only a few inches. Davis, his hair ruffled, then made an obscene gesture at Shanahan, witnessed by a former Raiders coach who confirmed Grbac’s story.
Shanahan and Davis won’t be shaking hands before the Broncos play the Raiders next Sunday.
Whatever burns inside of Shanahan — there may not be a word to sufficiently describe it — it tells him to ask his quarterback to throw a fastball at a Hall of Fame owner. Those same forces also drive Shanahan to be the great, highly competitive coach he is.
For one thing, Shanahan’s intensity pushes him to be incredibly prepared. He was breaking down game film of the New England Patriots more than a month ago to get ready for the Monday night game last week, which the Broncos won, 27-21. His players say they are never caught by surprise by anything another team does. His ability to work with quarterbacks and smooth out the kinks in an offense is unparalleled. A head coach in Shanahan’s division said that when he plays against a Shanahan-coached offense, he puts more hours into his preparation than he would otherwise.
Then there is the ruthless Shanahan. Last month he cut the fourth-round pick Curtis Alexander less than a week before the Broncos were to play Tennessee in Alexander’s hometown of Memphis. Alexander had gotten tickets for more than 40 family and friends. Shanahan cut the fifth-round pick Chris Howard for fumbling too much.
Coaches who have total control over their teams, like Shanahan does, usually don’t cut high picks that way — they don’t want to admit they made a mistake. But Shanahan, who recently signed a multiyear contract extension that made him the richest head coach in N.F.L. history, does not care about those things. He is going to do whatever it takes to make his team better.
He is also not afraid to send a message. By demoting the popular safety Tyrone Braxton to second string during training camp, Shanahan was showing his players that if they did not perform, they were next.
”Yeah,” said Broncos defensive end Neil Smith, ”you could say that got everyone’s attention.”
Still, Shanahan’s supporters say he isn’t ruthless, just straightforward.
”Mike is honest,” said the Denver owner, Pat Bowlen. ”He levels with players. He doesn’t fool players like a lot of coaches. There was a coach here who would use players, then when he didn’t need the players anymore, he discarded them. Mike doesn’t do that.”
Bowlen said Shanahan is more compassionate than people know. If Shanahan cuts a player, Bowlen said, Shanahan will call coaches on other teams to put in a good word. He will also do that for players he trades; that happened last month after the Broncos traded wide receiver Patrick Jeffers to the Dallas Cowboys.
Because Shanahan is so intense — he puts in 12- to 14-hour days — does he worry about burnout? Shanahan said no, because he does have a life in the off season, traveling with his family, playing golf or just relaxing at his home. ”Football doesn’t control my life,” Shanahan said, ”I do.”
October 6th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Keep the faith fellas! if you believe hard enough in DHB, Super Mario, Loper, Satelle, Tommy Kelly, Mclain, Huffy, Branch, and Santa, we may win this one! you just gotta believe!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
no concern about starting Seymour & R Brown with gimpy hamstrings ???
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No.
Concerned about the S turning their error from a 5 yd gain into a TD.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
And don’t forget Gannon saying during a game he was covering that the Raiders don’t practice hard.
You look at Jano being out of shape. I think it played a role in his FG muff at Arizona, too. Under Al Davis, the Raiders just don’t take football seriously. It’s a players’ siesta. Only the coaches work. And we’re hearing that a lot now.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Cable was a great college coach. He was 11-35 at Idaho.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Shanahan puts 12 hours a day? I dont think Cable Guy puts in half of that (unless you count the 3 hours at the buffet)
October 6th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
SammyTheBull Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
bunch of old ladies in here.
you have posters posting the same asinine stats, over and over, too slow to come up with anything new.
you have the same posters going back and forth on grad/campbell, for so long that they actually start repeating earlier exchanges, and just go along.
and you have those who blame al for everything, and others who so desperately want to cling to stats from back in the 80’s, and 70’s.
did I leave anyone out?
some of you are pretty embarrassing
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Have you paid to watch this cr_ _ for the past 7 + seasons?
October 6th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
I here you Macho Man! Gotta believe. The Chargers are going down hard.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Oh good we are re-living 10-15 year old quotes from Marty & Gannon.
Copy & paste monkeys slow down..
October 6th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Concerned about the S turning their error from a 5 yd gain into a TD
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no missed tackles by Huff or blown coverage assignments by Branch = Raiders win by 14 ???
October 6th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
We had “real” football players in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s. They loved inflicting pain on the opposing QB. And they won!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
yes!
October 6th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
no short passing game.mediocre o-line.old players on d-line who are done,and houston out of position.overpaid wr-dhb,who can’t play.same old defensive schemes.you think norv doesn’t what d is coming?worst tackling team in the league.worst conditioning i’ve seen in a while.throwing away draft picks in trades,or drafting stiffs like bey and russell.SO DON’T CALL ME A PESSIMIST.WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING?
October 6th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Jhill: who got T Owens in Dell’s FFL?
October 6th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Cable is actually doing better with the Raiders than with Idaho….11-23 vs. 11-35
Mista Brown,
Better to relive the past than savor the current version of the raiders. Sometimes a history lesson is appropriate for younger viewers so STFU.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Marley
October 6th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
The question is not will Al turn in around. The question is why didnt Al mess it up during the Ron Wolf & Gannon years.
October 6th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
If only cable would be as hard on his players as he is to ex-wives and GF’s, and Randy Hanson.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Marley did?
Pfft!
Go figure …
October 6th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
AL DAVIS WAS AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN THE 60′S,70′S,80′S.NOW HE IS 20 YEARS BEHIND THE TIMES…..AND WON’T ADMIT IT
October 6th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
5pm in Podunk – later gents
October 6th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Scott off the line is a plus. He is no worse at linebaker than Groves. Shonasty will get the start, and parlay it into a full time gig.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
The raiders are banged up on the d-line. The dischargers are going to try and run it down our throats. Their qb loves the play action and pump fakes, norv loves deep seam and vertical passing. These factors also put the onus on our struggling safeties.
The running game will be tough sledding because diego knows that is what we do best, they will stuff the box. Thier corners especially jammer is very physical and loves to bump and run. The short side line patterns will not be available and neither will the short slants and crossing patterns. It is urgent that the o-line gives sadkowski more time, but it is equally important that kills the happy feet, goes through and goes through his reads. Most of all he must challenge diego deep, their safety play is ok, but jammer can be victimized by double moves, and also racks up alot of interference calls.
Low scoring game we have a chance. We get into shoot out with rivers we are toast, Sadkowski will ot be able to win that type of game.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Get bid John back in the middle and lets turn this around.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
ANOTHER THING….WHO THE HELL WANTS MOSS ON THE RAIDERS.HE QUIT.THAT TRADE SENT THE TEAM BACK 3 YEARS.YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME.I SAW SOME GUY AT THE MALL WITH A #18 MOSS RAIDER JERSEY ON.HE SAID HE WAS A RAIDER FAN.I TOLD HIM YOU CAN’T BE A LIFER BECAUSE NO REAL FAN WOULD WEAR THAT JERSEY.I TOLD HIM HE SHOULD WASH HIS BATHROOM WITH THAT JERSEY…
October 6th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
I loved when Wade Phillips was coaching the Broncos. Those were great times.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Scheme and coaching are more important in the modern era of football so Al’s meddlesome ways preclude the Raiders form hiring a coach with balls. We only got gruden because he was young and hungry and an established NFL coach would never submit to Al’s rigid leadership. Take Sam Williams and Mike Williams as an example…Neither is an NFL player, but Al insists, above the protests of his coaches, to keep these clowns.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
LhayS37, maybe the guy is poor and can’t afford a new jersey. Why were you at the mall?
October 6th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Football is rarely about out scheming your opponent. You develop an identity and stick to it. You know whats coming i dare you to stop it. By week four your not fooling any one, they know what you are going to do.
Tampa ran the cover 2 dared you to beat it. The bears ran the 4-6 dared you to beat it. The giants won the sb running almost the identical defense that we run!
In the nfl its not scheme it is execution!
October 6th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
# LhayeS37 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
AL DAVIS WAS AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN THE 60′S,70′S,80′S.NOW HE IS 20 YEARS BEHIND THE TIMES…..AND WON’T ADMIT IT
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Simple explanation for this. It wasn’t Al who built those teams. It was Ron Wolf. Notice Ron Wolf went to Green Bay and built a winner after he left Oakland, and Al Davis and Art Shell couldn’t get the Raiders off the ground in that timeframe.
I think when Wolf was here, it went like this. Wolf built the core football team, Davis forced the olympic athletes on him. With Wolf’s Raiders, some of those players who only had athletic skills fared quite well because they were surrounded by a real football team. Today? We just have the athletes. Not enough football players.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
# 89052RAIDER Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Scheme and coaching are more important in the modern era of football so Al’s meddlesome ways preclude the Raiders form hiring a coach with balls. We only got gruden because he was young and hungry and an established NFL coach would never submit to Al’s rigid leadership. Take Sam Williams and Mike Williams as an example…Neither is an NFL player, but Al insists, above the protests of his coaches, to keep these clowns.
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You cant be serious.Davis hired gruden because of his offensive prowess, and charisma. Gruden runs the west coast offense which davis hates, davis did not interfere and let gruden do his thing! I wouldnt call that meddling.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
post89-ron wolf was long before gannon…do you mean bruce allen?
October 6th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
ray-i was going to buy you a book about football
October 6th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Do you think people dont know what to expect when they play the steelers??!?!? They have run the 3-4 defense since the seventies, and couple it with a power running game! everyone in this galaxy knows whats coming, the difference is they actually execute the scheme.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Simple explanation for this. It wasn’t Al who built those teams. It was Ron Wolf. Notice Ron Wolf went to Green Bay and built a winner after he left Oakland, and Al Davis and Art Shell couldn’t get the Raiders off the ground in that timeframe.
RealGradkowski writes:
I think when Wolf was here, it went like this. Wolf built the core football team, Davis forced the olympic athletes on him. With Wolf’s Raiders, some of those players who only had athletic skills fared quite well because they were surrounded by a real football team. Today? We just have the athletes. Not enough football players.
Astute observation that has a lot of merit.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
its not scheme its execution?you better stick to soccer mistic1
October 6th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
63% of NBA GMs believe the Lakers will win the NBA title once again.
33% think it will be the Heat.
4% are taking Boston.
GOOOOOO LAKERS!
October 6th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
# mistic1 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
davis did not interfere and let gruden do his thing!
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Really? So Gruden wanted Janikowski?
October 6th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
yo, long time follower… first time poster.. I’ve been reading everyone’s comments for about 2 years now… decided to jump into the fray… You guys are cracking me up… Raiders 27 Chargers 21… Go Raiders!!!!!!
October 6th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
so the steelers don’t decieve teams with the fronts and blitzes?i watch the steelers every week…trying to figure out those blitzes is not for the stupid.ITS NOT SCHEME EH?GO HOME…….
October 6th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Mistic, it’s like I told you yesterday. And Severeraiderz. You guys think Raider fans are stupid. That’s your problem. We’re not as dumb as you think. Don’t you get it yet? These lies and distortions you guys keep throwing at us are being rejected one after another. When do you get exhausted?
October 6th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
mistic1
Al used to tell Gruden to run certain plays or schemes and gruden send Al proof on film as to why it would not work. Al has always been a meddler.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
LhayeS37 Says:
October 6th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
ray-i was going to buy you a book about football
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I don’t need a book. I’ve forgotten more about football than you’ll ever know kiddo. How old are you, 16? Is that why you were hanging at the mall?
October 6th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
AT LEAST YOU ARE A RAIDER FAN MISTIC1.BUT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL.STICK TO SOCCER OK
October 6th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
I’M OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW YOU THINK DHB IS A GREAT PLAYER.RIGHT RAY?I FORGOT PLENTY ABOUT FOOTBALL TOO CLOSET CHARGER FAN
October 6th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Post89-ron wolf was long before gannon…do you mean bruce allen?
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I was grouping the Ron Wolf years of the 70s, and the Gannon years (yeah, Bruce Allen years). Other than those times, the teams have been undisciplined, under prepared and shallow of talent. Look at this year’s team: we have 4 NFL caliber starters on the whole team! no talent! Al messed up the personel, fast!
October 6th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Gruden didn’t have free rein in Oakland. He has publicly admitted that he had to manipulate Al Davis into doing certain things….Gruden simply handled Al better than most coaches. And Bruce Allen was around as a buffer zone between the HC and the owner.
Trading Gruden cost us at least 1 SB…maybe more.
But again, Al would rather lose doing it his way than see anyone else get the majority of the credit for winning in Oakland. Al thought we were looking pretty good going into this season, that is why he came out and took all the credit for the roster…you guys were giving too much credit to that chump Cable for the draft….that backfired didn’t it Al?
October 6th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
RAY AND MISTIC MUST BE NEIGHBORS….WHATTAYA SAY NEIGHBORRRR
October 6th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Lhayes37, what’s with the caps? Are you over compensating for your small dingus?
October 6th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
YOUR PRETTY SMART RAY.NOW GO PUT ON YOUR CHARGER JERSEY.YOU WISH YOU HAD THREE LEGS,LIKE ME.PLUS I KNOW YOUR OLD AND CAN’T SEE
October 6th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
How am I a Charger’s fan when I am the only one who believes the Raiders are going to win. By the way, there is a new post dummy.
October 6th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
WHO WAS B-ROBBS BACKUP WHO COULDN’T BLOCK SAPP?
October 6th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
A NEW POST DUMMY….THAT TOOK A LONGTIME OLD MAN
October 6th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
LISTEN GOOD OL’ RAY.I’M 52 AND I’LL BEAT YOU IN A FOURTY YARD DASH RUNNING BACKWARDS.I HOPE YOUR RIGHT ABOUT OAKLAND WINNING AS I AM A LIFER.I WOULD BE UPSET IF SOMEONE CALLED ME A CHARGER FAN,BUT SINCE YOUR old and feeble IT WENT OVER YOUR HEAD….IF YOUR RIGHT I’LL SEND YOU A PAIR OF NEW GOLD TOES
October 6th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
GOOD LUCK RAY- SOMEDAY THE SILVER&BLACK WILL WIN 10 GAMES
October 6th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
ADAM TREU-POST 124.COULD NOT RUN BLOCK HIS MOM
October 6th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
10 GAMES IN ONE SEASON
October 6th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
##%^ THE CHARGERS…
October 6th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
If nobodys doin anything. There showing the raider houston game on the NFL network at 5:00 – 8:00 eastern time. Incase no one saw the whippin.
October 6th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
THE 13 GAME LOSING STREAK ACCORDING TO THE TWERP
Scumbag Nation, get comfy with getting beat down by the Chargers.
It’s 419 weeks since the last time the Raiders actually won a game vs. the Chargers. That will extend to 420 weeks come Sunday.
How’s losing to the Chargers 14 times in-a-row sound, Scumbag Nation?
October 6th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Twerp? Appropriate name. You even know yourself your a twerp.
How does choking in the playoffs year after year grab ya?
Come back when you win your next Superbowl. I guess you have to win your first one yet. Woops.
October 6th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
The ones who complain about people complaining!
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Boom. Roasted.
+8
October 7th, 2010 at 5:53 am
The Raiders need to replace Trevor Scott with Matt Shannessy #77 and move Trevor to linebacker. Everytime Matt is in the game something good happens. He has that “it” factor.
October 7th, 2010 at 6:07 am
I want to see some nastiness out of Rolando McClain. He’s got that laid back(JaMarcus Russell) demeanor in which I don’t like for a middle line backer. I want to see some “fire” out of my MLB just like Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis. McClain always talk about he saw all this strong competition at Alabama. Well, somebody need to tell him this is the NFL not Alabama. McClain need to take control of that huddle and bring some heat.