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Cable does some QB misdirection

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, November 8th, 2010 at 4:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders didn’t call any reverses against the Chiefs, but a three-game win streak had coach Tom Cable running one on Monday.

In response to a question about what quarterback Jason Campbell had to do to earn his trust, asked in large part because of the previous week’s stance that Gradkowski was No. 1, here is what Cable said:

“He has my trust. I wouldn’t play him. There’s no way, if I didn’t trust Jason I would have played Kyle (Boller). It’s a non-issue. I’m not going to put him out there unless I believe in him,” Cable said. “You’re all getting with where am I going with the quarterback thing, Jason’s our quarterback right now and Bruce isn’t healthy yet, enough to have this conversation, that’s where this is at. ”

The follow-up question was if Cable had wavered at all with regard to Gradkowski as the starter if healthy when the Raiders played Pittsburgh after the bye.

“I really haven’t wavered, but I do have a belief in me about when you’re dealing it and you’ve got the hot hand and things are going in the right direction for your football team, why would you make a change,” Cable said. “ That’s what I think right now, but in the back of my mind I also say, it’s not really making a change. He was starter before I made the change with Bruce and he’s kind of come back and done a lot of good things for our team.

“ What’s the negative of this? Well, I’ve got a problem, I’ve got two good quarterbacks healthy again. That’s the only negative I see about it. I’m probably leaning toward staying with the hot hand.”

How about a hint?

“I think I just gave you one,” Cable said.

Exactly one week ago, this was how Cable fielded a quesiton about staying with Gradkowski as a starter even though the Raiders were on a two-game win streak after being Seattle:

“It’s clear cut. There’s no issue there in my mind. What we’ve done is some nice things in the last two weeks. You got to take your hat off to Jason . . . so, it’s a nice job on his part, as well as the rest of the offensive players. But, we know who our quarterback is.”

More to come . . .

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156 Responses to “Cable does some QB misdirection”

  1. LA to TheBay Says:

    LET ER RIP!!!!!!!

  2. Dakota Says:

    Well, I took the wife to Mannheim Steamroller Holiday Celebration on Ice for her birthday this past Saturday….Brian Boitano almost wiped out, and since the program is going to be on NBC he came out later and did some re-shoots with no music…took him several attempts to get the entire performance down…too funny! Guess the guy is like 45.

    Man, there were a couple of chick skaters that were very easy on the eyes.

  3. mistic1 Says:

    # mistic1 Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    I told you. That was the best move of cables coaching life. No more talking about last year, and failed comeback attempts, and the elusive “it” factor that defies explanation. Jason Campbell seizes the job by putting up wins in impressive fashion

    Campbell haters will now split their time between offering opinions of why grads should have been named starter, and softening up, like hot butter in the skillet with another stand by favorite “I dont care who starts”.

    This victory was huge. Campbell has produced on the field. This is why he was selected as leader of this offense. His outstanding cool under pressure performance in the second half was the stuff legends are made of.

    Wait , do you hear that? That is the sound of me slapping five, with Al Davis, while Campbell beats the impostor fans to a pulp!

  4. mistic1 Says:

    # mistic1 Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Think about how that game goes if the receivers weren’t playing with baseball mitts on. the football field was strewn with dropped passes, and penalty flags all through the game, Campbell courageously battled through it all and won the game for us.

    The o-line was full of holes on way too many pass downs, campmbell was running for his life. We were lucky that Campbell is so slippery in the pocket, he held the chiefs to four sacks. There would have been many more if he wasnt such a good qb with his feet. not to mention all the plays he made throwing down field, on the run.

    Wow.

  5. mistic1 Says:

    The voices of the heart of lion club are fading faster than gradkowskis career prospects.

  6. stubblebuzz Says:

    well, that’s as clear as mud. No good reason Cable should have to tell anybody, anyway — except his team.

  7. LA to TheBay Says:

    Wait , do you hear that? That is the sound of me slapping five, with Al Davis, while Campbell beats the impostor fans to a pulp!

    ———-

    Lol, does one have to be an imposter fan to want one QB over another for what he/she feel are valid reasons?

    To me, an imposter fan would be one who says ‘yeah, I love the Raiders’ and bails when they lose.

    Or one that said ‘oh, f*ck the Raiders’ until they start winning.

    I like Grad and would prefer hmi to be the starter. He is not Rich Gannon and neither is Jason Campbell. Grad has a lot of qualities I see as mandatory for a good QB. But I agree with Tom. Hot hand and all.

    Anyone who has been on board for the last 8 years in no way, shape, or form could possibly be an imposter fan.

    But good post in terms of levity. I like the slapping five with Davis bit, lol.

  8. Dakota Says:

    Exactly one week ago, this was how Cable fielded a quesiton about staying with Gradkowski as a starter even though the Raiders were on a two-game win streak after being Seattle:

    “It’s clear cut. There’s no issue there in my mind. What we’ve done is some nice things in the last two weeks. You got to take your hat off to Jason . . . so, it’s a nice job on his part, as well as the rest of the offensive players. But, we know who our quarterback is.”
    +++++++++++

    Just HC Hue Jackson and Al Davis messing with the Assistant o-line coach/Timeout Coordinator again.

    Last week
    Al: Herrera, get me Hugh Jackman in here right now! Hugh, tell Tim Cable that Brad Gradkowski is the unquestioned starter.

    Hue: Yes sir!

    This week
    Al: Herrera, get me Hugo Jacksman on the phone. Hugo, tell Todd Cable that I haven’t decided who will be the QB against the Steelers, but tell him I am leaning towards Jimmy Campbell. This is too easy!

    Hue: Yes sir! Sir, are you going to do stuff like this to me when I am the head coach next year?

    Al: Don’t worry about the future Henry!

    Hue: Err, okay.

  9. LA to TheBay Says:

    Just HC Hue Jackson and Al Davis messing with the Assistant o-line coach/Timeout Coordinator again.

    Last week
    Al: Herrera, get me Hugh Jackman in here right now! Hugh, tell Tim Cable that Brad Gradkowski is the unquestioned starter.

    Hue: Yes sir!

    This week
    Al: Herrera, get me Hugo Jacksman on the phone. Hugo, tell Todd Cable that I haven’t decided who will be the QB against the Steelers, but tell him I am leaning towards Jimmy Campbell. This is too easy!

    Hue: Yes sir! Sir, are you going to do stuff like this to me when I am the head coach next year?

    Al: Don’t worry about the future Henry!

    Hue: Err, okay.

    ——————

    The term ‘LOL’ gets thrown around a lot, even if one is not actually laughing out loud. In this case, It’s a direct correlation:

    LOL!!!!!

  10. raiden305 Says:

    Please God Start Gradkowski, hes so much better then Jason, Campbell sucks booty out there. With Grad our passing offense is so much better.

  11. aig-raiders Says:

    I agree with the move 100%. If Bruce ever comes in, then it will not involve any controversy. You wont find any complaints from me.

    I dont think we will win in Pitt. If we have Bruce starting, then the media will work up a storm about QB controversy. If we let JC plays and he lays an egg (i predict he will), then nobody will whine about the move.

  12. DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:

    WHY MUST U HATE ONE AND SUPPORT THE OTHER? R THEY NOT BOTH RAIDER’S?

  13. LA to TheBay Says:

    In the Not For Long, things change rapidly.

    Dakota puts up the Rue the Day list, but honestly, those for DMC (at that time) were looking at potential.

    Those against were looking at results.

    Imposter fans aren’t ones that debate one guy vs. the other. Tjose are quality fans.

    Imposter fans are divisive and bandwagon.

  14. SharkCatcher Says:

    Having two good Qbs is a great problem, that said..I Wish they could warp together and become one super qb.

  15. LA to TheBay Says:

    Dirt-Lot

    Exactly. Although, I must admit I did a fair share of Campbell-hating. He’s proving e wrong as we speak. Good for him.

    I couldn’t stand the entitlement. Replacing one 1st round disappointment for another when a hard worker had earned the job.

    But as long as Campbell lets it rip and doesn’t 2nd guess himself constantly, all that potential and high ceiling talk suddenly makes more sense. He really only limits himself.

  16. LA to TheBay Says:

    SharkCatcher Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    Having two good Qbs is a great problem, that said..I Wish they could warp together and become one super qb.

    —————–

    Juice Campkowski would be the bomb.

  17. 909RaiderLifer Says:

    Dakota…

    When I was a young man I played ice hockey, dated some figure skating chicks.. Let’s just say they have some strong legs, and know how to use them…lol

  18. BornInOakland Says:

    Campbell is doing the job. I was not that happy with him at the beginning but you know, things change. He still scares me sometimes, but Gradkowski wasn’t the final word either. The Raiders are winning and Campbell is the QB. Leave him there until he shows he can’t do it.

  19. RaiderDebo Says:

    Just Win Baby Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    I’m not sure I’m sold on Campbell as the starter yet. Yes, we have won 3 in a row, but mostly on the backs of the running game. He sucked the first half vs KC and his big throws weren’t exactly good throws. The one Ford took away from the db was a lousy throw. It was an int that ford took away from the guy. If Jacoby Ford didn’t take that ball away everybody in here would be hollering about what a bum JC is and how they can’t wait for Bruce to get healthy. I am going to beat ya all to it. JC will stink it up soon because luck only lasts so long. I can’t wait until Bruce is back in the starting role.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Thanks for finallly coming clean. Always knew you’d rather lose with Bruise the Loser than win with ANYBODY else.

  20. Dakota Says:

    This move will create a rift in the locker room….the Polish players against the non-Polish players.

  21. Jonesy941 Says:

    Campbell will flop and grad swill be back he is better game manager better in the pocket and on his feet evading sacks. Campbell played well in the forth qtr but that’s the way Gradkowski plays all day…. but i understand the hot hand thing if it aint broke don’t fix it

  22. Dakota Says:

    17.909RaiderLifer Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    Dakota…

    When I was a young man I played ice hockey, dated some figure skating chicks.. Let’s just say they have some strong legs, and know how to use them…lol
    +++++++++++

    909, yeah I dated a figure skater chick in college for a few months and you are damned right about those legs…saw her a few months ago (12 years after undergrad)…and those legs don’t look so good now lol.

  23. Jonesy941 Says:

    post 16 lmao that was kinda funny

  24. Dakota Says:

    909, forgot to mention, she could also suck the wheels off a zamboni. That always helps lol.

  25. RaiderDebo Says:

    LA To TheBay Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
    Dirt-Lot

    Exactly. Although, I must admit I did a fair share of Campbell-hating. He’s proving e wrong as we speak. Good for him.

    I couldn’t stand the entitlement. Replacing one 1st round disappointment for another when a hard worker had earned the job.

    But as long as Campbell lets it rip and doesn’t 2nd guess himself constantly, all that potential and high ceiling talk suddenly makes more sense. He really only limits himself.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    You’re so full of schitt! Explain this to me. Why the hell should Bruise be “entitled” to start for going 0-2 in two starts?

  26. Jonesy941 Says:

    the team has carried Jason not the other way around.. he did win us the game last night but jamarcus russel has won us a game before to so with that said go with the consistent qb that is backed by the entire team that is playing the Bruce does… with heart and passion and a desire to win games. im sure Jason wants to win but i think he is better suited as our back up

  27. HayesDaze37 Says:

    JCampbell is just BARELY keeping the starting job. Just Win Baby. Again.

    The “Rue the day” list has me as a ruer…when I would never rue the day when ANY Raider does well. McFadden is playing like the Pro Bowler we expect him to at this stage.

    Personally, about the only negative thing I ever said about McFadden is that he’ll be a bust if he can’t stay on the field. Wanting to draft DL instead of McFadden at the time — when we had Mike Bush ready to go — isn’t a negative, it was an opinion on what we needed most at that time.

    As soon as McFadden became a Raiders player, he had/has my undying support as long as he puts in the effort, and gives a shot. I will only rue the day if he gets hurt over and over again. He’s showing his heart now, running with authority, and staying on the field. Nothing to rue!

  28. JLofty Says:

    I would have benched Jason at the half yesterday. No question he was TERRIBLE! (note: I also didn’t see the first two drives due to CBS and the Lions so unless #8 was all freakin world in the first 8 mins of that game- he sucked).
    I’ll admit he got lucky and also made a few plays in the second half but you are deluding yourself to think he had much to do with that win. We were LUCKY to get to OT and pull that out. Lucky.
    He holds the ball WAAAAYYYY too long. Way.
    I root for him and pull for him and even offer advise to him (120 db at my TV: get rid of it!!!!get rid of the balll!!!!!!!!) but he is NOT very good. I hope he gets better cause Steelers are not as bad a team as the Cheaters and if he plays like that or like he did in the 9Ball game we’re gunna get killed.

  29. sec144r18 Says:

    Frankly, I’m happy about the decision here’s why:
    1) Bruce is proven to do a great job coming off of the bench – Campbell has not – its a very different mindset to be a reliever rather than a starter.

    2) Our offensive line play has improved dramatically since the fourth game of the season. This makes a pocket passer (Campbell), more useful than a scrambler / broken play guy (Bruce)

    3) Campbell made some dangerous throws yesterday, but at the same time, he is playing with receivers that are questionable. DHB has GOT TO STEP UP. He flat out dropped that first play from scrimmage and it didn’t get any better. Johnny Lee did his normal drop thing – and he doesn’t fight for the ball. Myers played okay – but he is no Miller, and KC was all over the screens. Can you imagine what life would be like if he had Schillens, Murphy and Miller?

    4) He has played well over the last three weeks. I don’t fault Campbell for the first half of the KC game – Look at my receivers issue above.

    For me, a long time season ticket holder here is what I’m excited about:

    A) We didn’t quit – not at any point in the game. When the O wasn’t playing so well, in year’s past the D would have had a let down – not yesterday.

    B) Jacoby did something that none of the other young wide receivers has done – he fought for the ball. Receivers that do that make good friends with a QB – I’m hoping that he teaches others.

    C) It was great to see the stands packed. I don’t fault anyone for staying away – I’ll just say its good to have ya back!!!

    Onward and upward.

  30. HayesDaze37 Says:

    And…for the record, I also put some of McFadden’s injury woes squarely on Lance Kiffin’s narrow shoulders, for not utilizing his backfield correctly, and battering McFadden more than necessary.

  31. DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:

    MOST IMPORTANT STAT IN FOOTBALL…WIN’S.ALL OTHERS CAN BE TWISTED AND TURNED UNTIL HELL BURNS OUT.

  32. marc Says:

    Gotta say that the way I see it is Campbell was a victim of 4 dropped passes; two by the Raiders, and two by the Chiefs. And that is not including the interception that Ford stole at the end of regulation. There were 3 and outs in 8 of the first 9 possessions in this game and Campbell had single digit passing yard in the first half.

    Personally I don’t think Campbell deserves any credit for the last 3 wins. He has been serviceable and for that I am grateful, but his throws are almost always late, often inaccurate, and he stares at his intended receiver like I used to stare at my high school girlfriend. And for a guy brought in for his big arm, he has found a way to under throw our speed at WR consistently (the flea flicker, and another that Ford fell down coming back to come to mind). Combine that with the constant 2 and 3 yard losses he racks up on the sideline instead of just throwing the ball away and I’m looking for someone else to lead this team.

    Gradkowski is far from perfect, but I see him as an improvement in pocket mobility and he gets rid of the ball. He anticipates the breaks better, and undeniably lights a fire under the offense. Combine that with the fact that his sister is hot, according to someone on this board, and he is my pick for the job.

    I am not blind to the fact that the receiving core is a factor in both quarterbacks production. They can be inconsistent and injuries are not helping Campbell.

    All of that said, I still start Campbell against Pittsburgh. W’s are W’s and I believe that Campbell is and could continue to improve, but he gets yanked after his fourth 3 and out, or his first interception.

  33. JLofty Says:

    I will admit that Campbell did not have much to work with receivers wise. And that does make a huge diff.
    But dang #8, get RID of the ball when the pass rush is bearing down.
    I thought HueJ made some nice adjustments in the second half trying to get Campbell out of the funk. Some rollouts specifically.
    Jacoby Ford won that game. His taking it to the house out of the half SAVED Jason’s bacon. He should buy that Ware rookie dinner too. Didn’t he stop the TD after Jason’s pick?

  34. HayesDaze37 Says:

    The Offense has needed a few of the young guys to break-out…

    Hello McFadden, JFord and Veldheer!

    MMitchell is the most improved player on the Defense, while Shaughnessy and TKelly are both playing Pro Bowl quality D-line…thanks again to Rich Seymour’s presence.

    If…IF…if…we can get even SLIGHTLY above-average QB play the rest of the year, we’ll be in the Playoffs the way this team is playing. Not just IN the Playoffs…making a lot of noise in the Playoffs.

    Playoffs = Tom Cable COY.

    Yes, it really could happen.

  35. JLofty Says:

    Yup a QB who can produce 3 points or maybe even a TD in the first half would be very helpful to victories and a playoff push. We’re lucky it wasn’t 17-0 at the half yesterday.

  36. inonewordraider Says:

    DHB Murphy and Ford but if Chaz comes back,
    Chaz Murphy and Ford

  37. LA to TheBay Says:

    You’re so full of schitt! Explain this to me. Why the hell should Bruise be “entitled” to start for going 0-2 in two starts?

    ———————-

    Bruce had earned the job last year after doubling Russell’s offensive production.

    Bruce should be 1-2, otherwise that St. Louis win is unaccounted for and it really was him that put a spark back in the whole stadium.

  38. MR (Now with faith like George Michael..bring back Brien) Says:

    Campbell’s gotta stay in there. It would tear the locker room apart if the benched him now.

  39. HayesDaze37 Says:

    It’s a great Bye week to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!

  40. inonewordraider Says:

    Our D and Run game with Jason Campbell at QB will make us competetive in every game but Bruce Gradkowski would win us more

  41. LA to TheBay Says:

    We’ll roll with Juice Campkowski after some Mengalaesque Al Davis science experiment.

  42. JB Says:

    # HayesDaze37 Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    It’s a great Bye week to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!

    **************************

    We’ve got to guard against losing momentum and energy with the week off. The team needs to maintain the winning attitude and continue to grow in execution proficiency. Many teams return from the bye week flat. We need to make sure that we are not one of those teams. we need to keep attentive to what’s important and do all we can to run the table.

  43. bboyink Says:

    still no words from ROMAC huh?

  44. eazy-e r-nation Says:

    looking at our offense team stats were 9th in the league and i look at the teams ahead of us all have good qb’s.With gradkowski i think our stats would be way much better.Campbell done some good things don’t get me wrong but he’s shaky.In order to get max potential out the offense the best chance is with gradkowski.

  45. RaiderDebo Says:

    Bruce had earned the job last year after doubling Russell’s offensive production.

    Bruce should be 1-2, otherwise that St. Louis win is unaccounted for and it really was him that put a spark back in the whole stadium.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Don’t you mean 1-3?? He was well on his way to losing the SD game before JC saved the day. And last year, he played with Chaz and JLH as starters while JR got the rooke versions of DHB and Murphy. If you want to compare apples to apples, what did Bruise do in relied appearances against the Jets and KC? Zero! Bruise hasn’t earned a damn thing but a spot on the bench.

  46. Kirk Says:

    Gradkowski is better than Campbell, but he is also more injury prone.

    I’d go with Gradkowski. Ford and the defense won the game on Sunday.

  47. Kirk Says:

    ROMAC can’t talk.

    He has a hip pointer.

  48. RaidingTexas Says:

    RaidingTexas Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    November 8th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    ———–

    Awaiting moderation? What the . . . I guess they cranked up security around here after yesterday – that hater with the racist screen name posting trash.

  49. 100PercentRaider Says:

    Still think JC has some things to work on, but in the end I guess I cant argue with 3 straight wins. Maybe with the coaches confidence he will take some more risks down the field trusting his recievers.

  50. JLofty Says:

    600 bonus points for use of the term “Mengalaesque” in a blog post comment forum.

  51. JLofty Says:

    I’m guessing the locker room will be fine with the QB decision. Both guys are pros who are fighting for a job in the NFL. The number of 3 and outs yesterday was there for all to see….

  52. LA to TheBay Says:

    Don’t you mean 1-3?? He was well on his way to losing the SD game before JC saved the day. And last year, he played with Chaz and JLH as starters while JR got the rooke versions of DHB and Murphy. If you want to compare apples to apples, what did Bruise do in relied appearances against the Jets and KC? Zero! Bruise hasn’t earned a damn thing but a spot on the bench.

    ———————–

    Not accurate. Quit making excuses for Russell, he sucked.

    Gradkowski did just fine in the KC and threw the game tying TD to DHB, who dropped it.

    Also, Grad threw DHB his first TD, which Russell was unable to do. Be mad at Russell for JLH not being available, he’s the one that got him hammered in week one.

    Also, 1-3? Based on what? Lol, Grad had a lead when he got replaced (due to injury rather than inability).

    You have a very strange agenda, Debo.

    Go Raiders. All of them (FYI, Russell is not a Raider and not much of a man at that).

    JLofty, thank you sir.

    All, I’m out. Just listen to Kirk, he ususally hits the nail squarely on the head.

    Be good.

  53. MR (Now with faith like George Michael..bring back Brien) Says:

    # HayesDaze37 Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    It’s a great Bye week to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!

    ……………

    LOL. At least you’re right, this time.

  54. inonewordraider Says:

    Bruce has never had a game as bad as the game Jason had against the 9ers or a half like Jason had in the 1st against the Chiefs. When Bruce was in there I don’t have the stats but we felt like a pass first team, now were definately run first with Campbell. Campbells performance in the 2nd half yesterday made me a beleiver in him being a viable option but I don’t see him getting much better whereas Bruce has a chance at being the next Gannon. Bruce kept us in games he was in (D was still giving up huge #’s) whereas the D and our run game has kept Campbell in the games he’s played. Hope Cable has a change of heart

  55. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    Hey fellas. We’ve got two weeks to enjoy the 3 game win streak. Then its a game with the big boys up in Pitt. That is one tough team and I am glad we face them fresh after the bye.

  56. HairyBush Says:

    JLofty Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    600 bonus points for use of the term “Mengalaesque” in a blog post comment forum.
    ———————————–
    The Raider zealots and fanatics need to be exposed, and the cruel Al Davis and his Mengala-esque practices must be stopped. … :)

  57. MR (Now with faith like George Michael..bring back Brien) Says:

    JLofty, locker room chemistry is just part of the “pro” culture in pro sports.

  58. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    Still with the JC vs Grads? C´mon! Let it go fellas. The team has won 3 straight with incredible D-line play and lots of energy from our young guys. You can’t loose your job on a 3 game win streak!

  59. EMRaiders Says:

    No big deal. If Jason struggles, in comes sparky. I’m guessing this will happen in the third quarter of the pitts game.

    Nothing against Jason, after this past month, I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t care who is starting as long as games are being won. I just think that with Pitts D we are going to need a quicker, more efficient passing game than the one run by Jason. But hey, if he is doing good, then I’m all for him to keep playing.

    JUST WIN BABY!(No matter with who) RAIDERS!

  60. alex7 Says:

    it’s a win win situation for cable and jackson. Go with the hot hand, if it doesn’t work out (a high possibility against pittsburgh) change to the guy you want in anyways. Nobody complains.

  61. Hot Shot Says:

    We have two average QB JC and Bruce.With the D playing like they have and good running game either one of these QBs should do ok and we should win some games.Im not hating on any of our guys cause we have improved a great deal this year.

  62. EMRaiders Says:

    oh, and FIX THE TIME ON THE BLOG!!!!

  63. J Hill Says:

    Looking at the box score, Campbell had a bad first half.

    Watching the game, you see something different.

    Campbell underthrew Ford on the flea flicker, but came right back and hit Ford in stride on a deep pass that Ford dropped.

    The int that he threw right before the half was a ball he threw to a spot before Higgins came out of his break. Higgins has been known to not finish routes, and if you look at the route, it appears JLH messed up the play.

    Other than those 2 “bad throws”, there were a bunch of screens and wildcat plays called, so not much of an opportunity for passing numbers.

    Not to mention all the penalties that had us in 3rd and long or longer.

  64. hwnrdr Says:

    That Pitt game is really going to define us! I hope all get healthy because we’re going to need them down the stretch! Was hoping for a 7-9, maybe even an 8-8 season that will show that we are improving…but at 5-4 heading into the bye week fresh from 3 straight victories…4-1 at home…dam…maybe 9-7…can The Raiders win 4 of the last 7 or maybe more? That would be a huge huge improvement and confidence coming into next year! (Or maybe that may be good enough for playoffs…and if that happens, Cable should be COY)!

  65. MR (Now with faith like George Michael..bring back Brien) Says:

    Campbell has been the face of this 3 game win streak, period. Damn the numbers. The job should be his to lose. I hope Cable understands that. He’s played the game so let’s keep our fingers crossed. Here’s what I have a feeling would happen if Gradkowski plays: Better QB numbers, yet a loss anyway.

  66. JLofty Says:

    MR I think our locker room is pretty good right now. i haven’t picked up on any Bruce vs Jason vide either. Except for in here. I just want to win and for the offense to score TDs. In watching both Bruce and Jason THIS year, I’d have to say the O flows better with BG.
    300 bonus points to HB. An extra 300 bonus for having “bush” in screen name.

  67. alex7 Says:

    Post 59, EM you said it perfectly. quick decisions needed by any QB when playing against steelers. I just want to win but can’t imagine campbell struggling with his slow mechanics and slow decision making process against that 34 blitz much like the san francisco game.

  68. UCSBPreMedMike Says:

    No way will the Raiders put points on the board if JC throws the same he did against KC, Ten, and Hou against the Pitts. No way. They’re going to stop Ford, hopefully Murphy is back, and who the hell knows what’s up with Chad, DHB isn’t making it happen-despite poor throws to him. Steelers D is more fierce than KC’s. I like Grads, but if JC isn’t on key for the better part of the game and is having another day where ‘nothing is going right’ we’re in trouble and Grads might have to pull another upseat in his hometown. But…..we have two weeks to prepare for a BIG potential winning game! They can do it…they have all impressed me with their resilence to not give up! I have respect for this team, and everyone else will too after play Pitts! LETS GO RAIDERS!!!!

  69. J Hill Says:

    1st half play calling was, uhh, questionable at best.

    Severly complicated by the holding penalties and the like.

    2nd half was MUCH better on all fronts.

  70. Ryan Says:

    What bugs me about JC is his 2 yard sacks by running out of bounds instead of flicking the ball ahead two yards for an incomplete. Those plays remind me of Walter.

  71. J Hill Says:

    We still have 3 division games, so there’s your 8 wins right there.

    I think we beat Miami easy.

    Isn’t Jacksonville on the schedule too?

    10 wins and the division is right there for us.

  72. J Hill Says:

    What bugs me about JC is his 2 yard sacks by running out of bounds instead of flicking the ball ahead two yards for an incomplete.

    ——————————————————-

    Agreed!

    Throw the ball away man!

  73. UCSBPreMedMike Says:

    We def have an overall winnable season ahead of us

    @ PIT
    MIA
    @SD
    @JAX
    Den
    Ind
    @KC

    We just have to remember the lesson they learned in lack of preparation and execution that resulted in the horrible loss against SF.

  74. J Hill Says:

    3-4 blitz = 1 of their LBs coming = regular 4 man rush.

    NO WAY Pittsburgh brings 5 or 6 guys and leaves Zack, Ford, Murphy, and DHB in man to man coverage.

    Boy oh boy do I hope they do that crazy schyyyttt!

  75. UCSBPreMedMike Says:

    J Hill,

    think our line can hold up long enough?
    They been doing well lately, but had some breakdown moments yesterday.

  76. MR (Now with faith like George Michael..bring back Brien) Says:

    JLofty Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    MR I think our locker room is pretty good right now. i haven’t picked up on any Bruce vs Jason vide either.

    ………….

    You spoke to the players today?

  77. J Hill Says:

    We just have to remember the lesson they learned in lack of preparation and execution that resulted in the horrible loss against SF.

    ——————————————————-

    Defense won’t get beat for TDs on blown zone coverages like we did against SF.

    Run defense is also on point now that ShoNasty and Houston are holding the edges and forcing things back to the middle of the field.

  78. MR (Now with faith like George Michael..bring back Brien) Says:

    We’re a whole new team today than we were a week ago. The Raiders have won 2 games straight in recent years. This last win changes everything. I think you have to stick with the same lineup.

  79. UCSBPreMedMike Says:

    Only team we can’t underestimate is SD on that schedule. The rest is pretty clear cut who will likely come out on top.

    I read somewhere somebody calling McFadden a herpie, everytime you think he wont do nothing, he breaks out big.

    I wouldn’t say that about DMAC, but I would about Norv Turner and SD.

  80. hwnrdr Says:

    First half: Chiefs 10 Raiders 0
    Second half: Raiders 23 Chiefs 10
    Offense scored 16 against the Chiefs and 19 against SD in those 2 wins! Special Teams scored 16 and D 7…but hey, this is a TEAM sport is it not?
    Hopefully our D and ST can come up big and get us points all the time…and JC…yes…throw away the darn ball!

  81. SnB Production Says:

    “Bruce HAS a chance at being the next Gannon.”
    “With gradkowski i THINK our stats would be way much better.”
    “Our D and Run game with Jason Campbell at QB will make us competetive in every game but Bruce Gradkowski WOULD win us more”
    ” IF Jacoby Ford didn’t take that ball away everybody ”
    “Campbell WILL flop and grads WILL be back he is better game manager better in the pocket and on his feet evading sacks”

    ======================================================
    A lot of “if’s” “will” “Would” “I think” “HAS” in the sentences above.

  82. inonewordraider Says:

    bboyink Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    still no words from ROMAC huh?

    I could care less as long as he plays well, but it woulda been a cool move on his part to give some love back to the fans some of which might have went because he called us out

  83. J Hill Says:

    Mike,

    I think it’s a combination of things helping out our Oline.

    Veldheer replacing Henderson at LT has been HUGE! What a stiff that Henderson was. Played well for 70% of the game and was probably the worst LT in the game the other 30% and that really killed us.

    DMac is making that line look a lot better. The screens, Marcel Reece, and the speed on the outside keeps the Safties playing honest.

    Just a good bunch of weapons out there that makes the whole thing go, IMO.

  84. mistic1 Says:

    inonewordraider Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Bruce has never had a game as bad as the game Jason had against the 9ers or a half like Jason had in the 1st against the Chiefs.===================================================================

    False bruce gradkowski had the worse game in the history of football in 2008 as a starter for the browns, in the final regular season game. 7 for 21 for 26 tds and a 1.0 qb rating. Your post smacks of desperation.

  85. UCSBPreMedMike Says:

    Gotta do homework Nation! Miss the Bay right now, but even in Santa Barbara the Raider flags are flying! Haven’t seen that since….our Super Bowl run! Wich by the way we had the same record at this point.

  86. J Hill Says:

    Why was Campbell’s first half so bad yesterday?

    KC was all over the screens repeatedly called in the first half.

    Holding penalties killed our down and distance.

    DHB and Ford dropped passes.

    Wildcat formation was on display.

    Other than the underthrow on the flea flicker, what was this issue with Campbell in the first half?

  87. mistic1 Says:

    inonewordraider Says:

    the D and our run game has kept Campbell in the games he’s played. Hope Cable has a change of heart
    ===========================================================
    A complete load of crap. Dmac was held under 90 yards rushing, and the defense gave up 20 points.

    Sorry but jc pulled our a$$e$$ out of the fire and won the game with his incredible nimble pocket passing, and improvisation.

  88. 100PercentRaider Says:

    UCSBPreMedMike:
    I am rocking my McClain jersey in IV right now. its a great day

  89. SnB Production Says:

    Again, this comes down to the fact that Gradkowski did nothing TO SEIZE the job or make Cable’s decision easy.

    Gradkowski was JUST as plodding as JC in his games. All this talk about bailouts…

    Campbell:

    4-2, 57% completions, 7tds, 5ints, 81.3 rating

    Gradkowski (aka SuperBruce….)

    1-2, 53% completion, 4tds, 4ints, 71.8 rating

    Now someone explain to me how you project Gradkowski as a SLAM DUNK starter over Campbell?

    Now maybe if Gradkowski was something like:

    3-1 61% completion, 7tds, 0ints, 4.5yds per carry, 105.3 rating….

    Then we can talk about SLAM DUNK starter.

  90. SnB Production Says:

    The QB situation is exactly what it should.

    Two guys pushing each other…two guys with a short leash.

  91. turner42 Says:

    The Raiders win 3 in a row, first time in 8 years; Gradkowski couldn’t do that, why, because he can’t stay healthy for 3 games in a row. That throw in OT was gorgeous, not a throw Grads could make. Leave Campbell the starter, with Grads the good change of pace back-up. It’s the perfect situation. All those clamoring for Grads to be the starter, will still be doing it before the AFC Championship game, ya’ll are just a bunch of haters.

  92. rossee Says:

    Who was the QB that beat Pittsburgh last year with a way less talented offense than the current bunch? It was against a Steeler team that was far and away better than any team we have faced this year. Now we are better but so are the Steelers, possibly the best team in the NFL. I think Grads should start but, if on merit, for the last three wins even though he just barely escaped with his erratic play, Campbell should be on an extremely short leash. Period.

  93. mistic1 Says:

    hahhahaha, some of the Campbell haters are back pedaling like stanford routt in zone coverage.

    Please stop with this make believe hype about grads making quicker reads, he doesnt. He rarely makes any reads other than his predetermined look at the snap. he drops back looks at his primary, when that isnt open he bails. campbell on the other holds the ball as long as he can in order to go through his progressions.

    face it Jc has made it impossible for cable to remove him from the starters role. His play on the field this season to this point far exceeds anything grads has done in this life.

    Wake up and smell the coffee Jc is smacking you clowns like a two dollar hooker today!

  94. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Raiders streak into the Bye

    http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives/exclusives_20

  95. Twocents Says:

    We don’t have a grade “A” QB. But we do have two guys with different skills and that can work if Cable plays it right. It’s better than having a PurpleDrank controversy.

  96. Nnamdi21 Says:

    90. Word.

  97. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Its a plus to have 2 diff QBs able to win and the opponent not knowing which one they’ll face.

    Campbell brings his skill sets and Grads is more mobile.

  98. inonewordraider Says:

    SnB Production Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
    The QB situation is exactly what it should.

    Two guys pushing each other…two guys with a short leash.

    I gotta say that Campbells throw in OT was a thing of beauty, but I just hope that a part of you doesn’t want Campbell to start because you made it known on this blog (as did I) that you thought it would be a good idea to trade for him…

  99. raidermarty Says:

    Well,obviously if we lost 3 in a row we’d be looking at it differently, but I kind of like this “hot hand” theory.Hell the rest of the offense seems to respond positively to either qb so maybe this is just our way. I don’t really care who’s in there as long as we’re winning.Both qb’s have plus and minus and could help us in different situations. Again, it’s about the W……
    What a gutsy win yesterday
    Go RAIDERS

  100. A.B. Paine III Says:

    I sure hope the line holds up against the Steelers. If not, we may see Grads in there anyways.

  101. mistic1 Says:

    There is nothing in grads entire body of work as an nfl player that even remotely suggest that he can match what Campbell has done this year, or for their entire career for that matter.

    Your constant brags on grads ability are pure conjecture, and nothing more than whimsical day dream fantasy.

    Jc has put all of you in your place. The hate for campbell is now irrelevant, dancing around on the periphery like a faint shadow, struggling to be noticed, or even register at all.

  102. raidermarty Says:

    You know Al was loving that bomb to JFord in ot.
    That had to get his heart pumping!

  103. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Any word on McClain people?

  104. inonewordraider Says:

    mistic1 Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    There is nothing in grads entire body of work as an nfl player that even remotely suggest that he can match what Campbell has done this year, or for their entire career for that matter.

    Your constant brags on grads ability are pure conjecture, and nothing more than whimsical day dream fantasy.

    Jc has put all of you in your place. The hate for campbell is now irrelevant, dancing around on the periphery like a faint shadow, struggling to be noticed, or even register at all.

    Campbell had his best game yesterday for us considering the importance of the game, having to come back, and the fact that his receivers were dropping passes but I’m curious to hear your take on Campbells performance against the 9ers?

  105. SnB Production Says:

    Inoneword,

    I was calling for JC to be cut after the St. Louis game. That’s how upset I was with him.

    I am not terribly excited about either of these guys to be honest. They are not a Philip Rivers, Manning, Schaub type of QB…..

    I don’t think Gradkowski brings enough to the table to justify benching JC given the last 5 games.

    Again, if Gradkowski was playing like Vick, or hell even Shaun Hill, before getting hurt, then I could see making a change with all the risk,

    But I just don’t see all this great stuff that Gradkowski has done. He’s done some nice things..but not overly remarkable things. Plus, staying healthy is part of the equation.

    Switchng QBs every other week is not a recipe for success.

    Either put up elite numbers or win games…..Neither is doing the former…at least JC is doing the latter.

  106. mistic1 Says:

    # Nnamdi21 Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Its a plus to have 2 diff QBs able to win and the opponent not knowing which one they’ll face.

    Campbell brings his skill sets and Grads is more mobile.
    ===========================================================

    I haven’t seen any evidence of grads being more mobile.

    Grads is 29yd rushing, with a 2.6 average and an 8 yd long run.

    campbell 101 yd, 3.6 yds avg, long of 16yds.

    Also campbell is much more dangerous when he breaks contain and looks to throw than grads is. The throw campbell made to ford in the fourth quarter showed everything grads is unable to do.

    Campbell escaped the pass rush, threw a perfect deep strike to ford, throwing off his right foot while running to his left. Grads couldnt do this playing techmo bowl.

    Im sorry the grads mobility edge is pure fabrication, the numbers and video footage just dont support that claim.

  107. KoolKell Says:

    Do those hip pointers linger? Don’t know much about them.

  108. DKnight007 Says:

    A.B. Paine III Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    I sure hope the line holds up against the Steelers. If not, we may see Grads in there anyways.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Agreed….the way to beat an aggressive defense like the Steelers is to run reverses, some wildcat, and attack their weak secondary and do play action bootlegs.

    Spread them out on defense. Gotta hope Murphy, Miller and even Chaz are ready to go in 2 weeks!

  109. mistic1 Says:

    # inonewordraider Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Campbell had his best game yesterday for us considering the importance of the game, having to come back, and the fact that his receivers were dropping passes but I’m curious to hear your take on Campbells performance against the 9ers?
    ==========================================================

    He had the worst game of his career in sf, it was an anomaly.

  110. DKnight007 Says:

    Campbell and Grads should compete for the starting gig in two weeks and split the reps until then to see who is more crisp.

    Grads gets rid of the ball much quicker and gets out of the pocket much faster.

    JC has the stronger arm and can downfield better because he is taller.

    Lets see who prepares better for Pitt and is ready to play and looks better in practice in a week and half.

  111. JLofty Says:

    Mistic no one here is HATIN on #8. We’re critiquing.
    Dude came back from a slow start and gutted it out. I like him. I’d like him even more if he would get rid of the ball faster. I’d love him if he didn’t have these LONG stretches of 3 and outs.
    Bruce has some skills and brings some fire to the offense. I can see why the OC and coaches like him over Campbell as he runs the O with better pacing, seemingly. Not a huge deal but a subtle preference that I can understand them having.
    The coaches and the players appear to have confidence in both of them. Its great.

    But to those who say no way Grads can make that same throw to #12 in OT, I say used to think that too. But Bruce makes throws I don’t think he can rather freq.
    Bruce also doesn’t underthrow the two fleaflickers either. Dang those were just bad….

  112. mistic1 Says:

    beating the steelre will be very difficult. mainly because our o-line is suspect to say the least and they dont match up well the pitt front seven.

    I imagine Campbell and the run game will struggle in this one.

  113. 100PercentRaider Says:

    To all those who enjoy Power Rankings….
    Peter King put Oakland at number 8

  114. DKnight007 Says:

    Campbell and Grads should compete for the starting gig in two weeks and split the reps until then to see who is more crisp.

    Grads gets rid of the ball much quicker and gets out of the pocket much faster.

    JC has the stronger arm and can downfield better because he is taller.

    Lets see who prepares better for Pitt and is ready to play and looks better in practice in a week and half!

  115. turner42 Says:

    Grads gets out of the pocket quicker—yeah because he knows he’s out of the game if he’s hit once. I don’t want a qb who leaves the pocket quick, i want one who stands in there until there’s no other choice.
    Campbell throws a better deep ball because he’s taller-that’s just silly.

  116. mistic1 Says:

    # JLofty Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Mistic no one here is HATIN on #8. We’re critiquing.
    Dude came back from a slow start and gutted it out. I like him. I’d like him even more if he would get rid of the ball faster. I’d love him if he didn’t have these LONG stretches of 3 and outs.
    Bruce has some skills and brings some fire to the offense. I can see why the OC and coaches like him over Campbell as he runs the O with better pacing, seemingly. Not a huge deal but a subtle preference that I can understand them having.
    The coaches and the players appear to have confidence in both of them. Its great.

    But to those who say no way Grads can make that same throw to #12 in OT, I say used to think that too. But Bruce makes throws I don’t think he can rather freq.
    Bruce also doesn’t underthrow the two fleaflickers either. Dang those were just bad….
    ==========================================================

    there is no throw that grads can make that JC cant.

  117. mistic1 Says:

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Campbell and Grads should compete for the starting gig in two weeks and split the reps until then to see who is more crisp.

    Grads gets rid of the ball much quicker and gets out of the pocket much faster.
    =============================================================

    grads get rid of the ball quickly at times, but he only makes one read most of the time. it seesm his mind is made up before the ball is snapped.

    Grads has to bail from the pocket because he cant find throwing lanes in the pocket. this limits the effectiveness of the offense, as you are limited to what ever side of the field grads runs out too.

  118. mistic1 Says:

    i think we can stop with the coaches like grads better routine. If they did he would be in.

  119. SnB Production Says:

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
    Campbell and Grads should compete for the starting gig in two weeks and split the reps until then to see who is more crisp.
    =====================================================
    Splitting 1st team reps does not help this team prepare to win at all. Hurts the team actually.

    Practice reps are limited, that’s why the starter gets all of them during the week.

    Prepping for the Steelers is going to require all those reps go one guy.

    Now is not the time for another training camp competition

  120. RaiderDebo Says:

    There isn’t a damn thing Bruise does better than JC.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    I like HueJac getting two weeks to prepare though. If we can get healthy, I like our chances.

  121. mistic1 Says:

    there is a reason campbell has held an nfl starters job his entire nfl career, and grads has barley able to hold a clipboard as 3rd stringer throughout his career.

    JC is a better qb. period end of story

  122. RaiderDebo Says:

    Benson is getting his against the Steelers early.

  123. KoolKell Says:

    Let’s get in some scouting reports on the Steelers tonight, guys & gals.

  124. 100PercentRaider Says:

    Debo,
    The steelers are missing aaron smith, he is done for the year. Alot of people say he is the key to their run defense. they are pretty beat up on the d-line right now

  125. A.B. Paine III Says:

    The Bengals look like crap.

  126. 100PercentRaider Says:

    looks like we might have 2 terrible prime time games this week….oh well. they looked good before the season i guess

  127. KoolKell Says:

    The thing is, the Raiders playcalling has really changed since the 1st qtr of the Denver game.

    It’s like a different offense. And we haven’t seen Grads play in it yet.

  128. 100PercentRaider Says:

    Pitt hasnt looked amazing so far, Cinci has just gift wrapped them 10 points

  129. SnB Production Says:

    KoolKell,

    The playcalling on defense has definitely changed. The playcalling is much more aggressive. They finally figured out if you are going to man up on the receivers on the outside, then do something creative with those safeties….

  130. RaiderDebo Says:

    100PercentRaider Says:
    November 8th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
    Debo,
    The steelers are missing aaron smith, he is done for the year. Alot of people say he is the key to their run defense. they are pretty beat up on the d-line right now
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Yeah, that could make a big difference. The guy that scares for them this year is Lawrence Timmons. But I think Hue is a badass. After what our run game has done so far this year, I’m confident we can move the rock on just about any team.

  131. SnB Production Says:

    The Steeler offense is not much changed from last year. Except that the Wallace kid has really come up. I expect the Raiders to put pressure on Big Ben and slow down the running game.

    The Raiders actually match up well against this team defensively.

    Big issue will be how the Raider O-Line holds up.

    Satele up against Casey Hampton should keep us all up at night….

    Our OTs against the Steeler linebackers……

  132. turner42 Says:

    Not too mention Hue knows the Steelers from his Bmore days…And I think the Raiders have more talent on offense then any of the Ravens teams had when Hue was there.

  133. 100PercentRaider Says:

    We have broken 100 yards with a decent average agaisnt 2 of the top 5 ranked run defenses the last 2 weeks. last year, in pittsburgh, we broke 100 yards as well. I feel confident in our run game. i think the key to the pittsburgh game will be pass protection. with a rookie LT, you know we are going to get the Biltzburgh special all day.

  134. RaiderDebo Says:

    What the hell has happened to Palmer?

  135. raidermarty Says:

    Yeah SnB that wallace kid is a burner too- we’re gonna have to keep him in front of us

  136. RaiderTW Says:

    Wade Phillips was fired as Dallas Cowboys coach on Monday, the day after a 45-7 loss to the Green Bay Packers in NBC’s nationally televised game of the week.
    Jerry Jones, while carefully emphasizing his friendship and personal respect for Phillips, equally carefully talked Monday about effecting a culture change with the change to interim coach Jason Garrett.

    Translation: No more Mr. Nice Guy.

  137. J Hill Says:

    4 WR sets from Pittsburgh concern me somewhat.

    Nnamdi will need to play!

  138. SnB Production Says:

    Jhill,

    Definitely need Nnamdi for this one. Gotta take one of those receivers out of the game.

  139. KoolKell Says:

    Satele up against Casey Hampton should keep us all up at night….
    ——————————
    Oh yeah!

  140. KoolKell Says:

    Big Ben is such an Oak, and very accurate passer.

  141. J Hill Says:

    Well I think it’s fair to say that the Pitts game will be nationaly televised.

  142. YoungAmerican Says:

    The Bengals have two very good CBs, too.

    Actually, Johnathan Joseph is a free agent next season. From what I’ve heard he’s solid in man coverage, and he’s got decent size and speed. Might look good across the field from Nnamdi…

  143. J Hill Says:

    We NEED Chaz back for the Pittsburgh game!

    A 2nd over the middle type rec to pair with Miller will be HUGE!

  144. KoolKell Says:

    Hines Ward is always a problem, and in your face.

  145. KoolKell Says:

    But, the thing is, the Raiders have gotten very physical on both sides of the ball. That’s the main thing.

  146. 100PercentRaider Says:

    Ward, Wallace and Randle El, with Miller at TE, is a very underrated recieving corps. That being said, Pitt hasnt really been all that impressive yet

  147. J Hill Says:

    Pitts is basically playing 2 DTs, 4 LBs, and a S as their front 7.

    We should pound them and play ugly. I see them cracking wide open come 4th qtr.

  148. J Hill Says:

    Warriors win again!

    Ellis goes down in a heap, but walks off the floor. Shouldn’t miss any time.

  149. 100PercentRaider Says:

    Lakers 7-0, Celtics 6-1, Warrios 5-2?? I thought this team would win around 40 games and compete for that 8 spot, maybe they can be in that 5-7 range because the West is down this year. Their defense is better than I expected so far

  150. SnB Production Says:

    Watching football is a lot more fun with the Raiders in it!

  151. J Hill Says:

    Don’t see anything from the Steelers that says best team in the NFL.

  152. KoolKell Says:

    Keith Smart, Coach Of The Year!

  153. 100PercentRaider Says:

    J Hill,
    me either. I see a team that is stuck between 2 identities, the traditional smashmouth steelers, and the shotgun spread offense they love to run when ben is in there. Defense doesnt look as good as it did earlier in the year, they are not a young team.

  154. SnB Production Says:

    Mike Wallace has to be bumped at the line

  155. 100PercentRaider Says:

    Leon Hall jsut got TOASTED…we need nnamdi to lock up on wallace

  156. alex7 Says:

    I thought wins were the bottom line and the steelers seem to do that a lot.

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