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Raiders vote to decertify

The Raiders joined an expanding group of NFL teams which has voted to decertify the union in order to prevent a lockout in the event a collective bargaining agreement is not reached with management.

NFL Player’s Association executive director DeMaurice Smith met with the Raiders Thursday, a day after conducting a vote with the 49ers, who also voted to decertify. The number of teams which have voted for decertification is reportedly more than 20, with no team voting against it.

Zach Miller was voted the team’s new player representative, replacing Tony Stewart, who was waived in training camp. Miller had been serving as an alternate along with Ricky Brown since Stewart left the team. Brown and Bruce Gradkowski are the current alternates.

Decertification is a tactic which will enable the union to sue the league in the event of a lockout. Antitrust laws don’t allow unions to sue employers during CBA negotiations.

“We don’t want to end up there,” Miller said of decertification. “We would rather have our CBA done before then. It’s our answer if the owners prove to lock us out, that’s our answer for them if they want to take that step, but we want to keep working on the CBA and get something done before it comes to that.”

Running back Rock Cartwright vented some of his thoughts regarding negotiations on his Twitter account Thursday night after the meeting with Smith and remains frustrated by the lack of progress.

“They’re not even close to a collective bargaining agreement,” Cartwright said. “They’re basically a lot of money away. He said it’s been a stall. He was just kind of just talking to us and kind of letting us know exactly what’s going to go on so it’s kind of tough for me and for all of the other guys. If there’s a lockout, it takes a lot away from a lot of people.”

A concern among players is the possibilty of being without a medical plan in the event of a lockout.

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  • RAIDERMAN99

    It’s almost impossible to win a Superbowl without a very good QB.

    Once every few decades a Trent Dilfer is carried by an absolutely dominating defense, but this is the exception to the rule.

    This Raider defense is much improved, but let’s not get carried away. They’re not the 85 Bears, 70′s Steel Curtain or 90′s Ravens.

    The primary reason the Raids have sucked the past 7 years has been an inability to score points. Especially apalling has been the passing game. QB play with JaMoron was almost impossible to watch. An offensive line that couldn’t pass block at all. Anemic WR play.

    It was almost the perfect storm of ineptitude.

    Yup, Raider games are fun to watch again, and the team is relevant again.

    But it’s hard to imagine the Raids going deep into the playoffs, or to be honest, even making the playoffs with JaJason at the helm.

    JaJason sucks.

  • r8rwill

    if we win one more division game, we can win the division outright, especially if that win is against the bolts. we are in the drivers seat, that is why every game from here on, is the most important game of the season

  • r8rwill

    can anybody remember a super bowl winner that had a good offense and average d?

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    R8rwill Says:
    November 20th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    can anybody remember a super bowl winner that had a good offense and average d?
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    The Rams

  • ArmChair GM

    # r8rwill Says:
    November 20th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    can anybody remember a super bowl winner that had a good offense and average d?
    ______________________________________________________

    Most of the Niner teams(besides Ronnie Lott). The Colts. The St. Louis Rams.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    I wouldn’t say the Colt team that beat the Bears had an average defense. They did have Freeney and Sanders. But for most of that year, they were dead last statistically against the run.

    That team was carried by Peyton and the offense and managed to overcome a somewhat average defense.

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    ArmChair, I disagree with you assessment of the 49ers defense. They had a great defense, at least for their last couple of Super Bowls.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    The better question to ask is – can anyone name a team that’s won a Superbowl without a very good QB ?

    Very few exceptions to that rule.

    Besides Dilfer, I can’t think of many.

    Heck, besides Rex Grossman I can’t think of too many lousy QBs that even made it to the Superbowl.

    JaJason sucks.

  • SnB Production

    Raiderman99,

    Let’s save the nicknames until after they are out of playoff contention. While the team is competing it should be all hands on deck.

  • SnB Production

    Raiderman,

    If JC falls down like you so eloquently predict…then you can preach to everyone how you were right all along.

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    Jason Campbell will win the Super Bowl for the Raiders. I guarantee it.

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    If Jim Plunkett can win two Super Bowls, there is no doubt in my mind that JC can win one.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    So it’ll be ok with you to call him JaJason after we’re eliminated ?

    LMAO.

    Sorry SnB, this Raider fan isn’t a fence sitter or happy with merely contending.

    It isn’t going to be fun watching this board piling on JaJason after he’s yanked for ineptitude again or costs the Raids a playoff berth.

    And I can gaurantee you that will happen.

    Why ?

    Because…

    JaJason sucks.

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    Just to reiterate my two previous statements, Jason Campbell is a better QB than Jim Plunkett was.

  • http://www.aflciodental.com/unions/IBEW.png r8eray

    Our Defense will win a Super Bowl!
    Just like the Bucs won one….with Brad Johnson!

  • Dirtiest Raccoon

    Mondays headline.

    The Oakland RAIDERS pound the Steelers w NO VASELINE!

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Nobody respects and admires the great Al Davis more than I do.

    But these absurd comparisons between JaJason and Plunk really needs to be put to rest.

    JaJason sucks.

  • Dirtiest Raccoon

    Hello everybody I am Bill King, welcome to the International House Of Thrills in Oakland Ca. and This is Monday Night Football…

  • http://www.aflciodental.com/unions/IBEW.png r8eray

    Hello Bill King, nice to meet you!

  • RAIDERMAN99

    It’s no fun coming in here and saying ‘I told you so’ after a Raider loss.

    It’ll be great having to eat crow, if I’m wrong.

    But I’m not.

    So I want to get this out of my system now, rather than having to morosely admit the obvious later.

    JaJason sucks.

  • SnB Production

    Raiderman,

    Congrats on not being a fence sitter….

  • Dirtiest Raccoon

    220.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    November 20th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    It’s no fun coming in here and saying ‘I told you so’ after a Raider loss.

    It’ll be great having to eat crow, if I’m wrong.

    But I’m not.

    So I want to get this out of my system now, rather than having to morosely admit the obvious later.

    JaJason sucks.

    ***********************

    Oh I didn’t know we were gonna lose. Thanks for telling me, now I don’t have too watch the defeat.

  • r8rwill

    raiderman, dilfers team had a dominant defense, that is how they won…..

  • r8rwill

    and if jason sucks, what does bruce do?

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Expect Pitt to run Mendenhall until the Raids show they can stop it. Especially to the right. RM runs better to that side. They’re going to try to duplicate the Arien Foster run.

    Plus they don’t want to expose BR to a Raider pass rush that leads the NFL in sacks per pass attempt.

    This could play to our advantage as we don’t want to get into a shootout with the Squeelers.

    Not with JaJason at the helm.

    Can’t count on Grads putting up three 4th qtr TDs in this one.

    JaJason sucks.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Who said we’re going to lose ?

    We still might win.

    Despite JaJason.

    If we lose, it’ll almost be certainly due to JaJason.

    Rest of the team is solid.

    But…

    JaJason sucks.

  • SnB Production

    Raiderman,

    I guess we all have faith in the unknown. “JaJason” as you call him is as big an unknown as Gradkowski is.

    Problem is your “analysis” refuses to give JC any credit whatsoever….to the point you can’t even enjoy the game….

    Too bad

  • SharkCatcher

    raiderman99 you suck you unloyal bastard

  • RAIDERMAN99

    This will be the second week in a row I’ll be rooting for the Mules to win a game.

    I was glad they beat KC last week and I hope they beat the Chargers this week.

    Think that’s best for the Raider hopes of winning the AFC West.

    Still, rooting for the Mules makes me sick.

  • waklaboo

    R8dr4lfe21 Says:
    November 20th, 2010 at 11:21 am
    Sup Nation, The Only Nation!
    So what the 411 on our new moniker for our Defense?
    ===============================
    Steelers sink into the Dark Sea Defense

  • alex7

    R8erwill

    why do you think stopping the broncos and seahawks running games which everyone does makes is a dominant defense?

    we did okay against the chiefs but charles managed 5 yards a carry and got banged up

  • http://www.aflciodental.com/unions/IBEW.png r8eray

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    November 20th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    This will be the second week in a row I’ll be rooting for the Mules to win a game.

    I was glad they beat KC last week and I hope they beat the Chargers this week.

    Think that’s best for the Raider hopes of winning the AFC West.

    Still, rooting for the Mules makes me sick.

    ______________________________________________

    You’re not the only one!

  • Bauce 2 Dope

    I’m happy my Cal Bears are getting blown out by Stanford……..maybe the alumni can force Tedford out now. We will never get to a BCS game with this loser as head coach. He is an offensive coordinator thats it. He is in fuggin California and cant find a decent QB? Between Pat Hill and Tedford I dont know who is the dumber wreck of a coach…..31-0 at home for the last game at Memorial Stadium is a joke

  • Bauce 2 Dope

    The JaJason shhht is lame. He is nothing like JaMarcus at all…..you need to quit that bull right now

  • Bauce 2 Dope

    Let me guess RaiderWoman99…..he is tall black and from the south with a southern draw when speaking so he is like Russell…..sure…..JC works hard, doesnt throw teammates under the bus and actually hangs with his teammates….plus is 3-0 in division and has won 3 straight games. Did Russell ever do that? No……go and die

  • Bauce 2 Dope

    The Real RAY!

  • Bauce 2 Dope

    Anyhow…halftime is over for the Mizzou Tigers….Michael Dixon 8 pts 4 steals and 1 asst…………BAUCE!…..See yall later

  • http://www.aflciodental.com/unions/IBEW.png r8eray

    Bbbaaauuuuccccce!!!!!

  • RAIDERMAN99

    SnB Production Says:
    November 20th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    I guess we all have faith in the unknown. “JaJason” as you call him is as big an unknown as Gradkowski is.

    ===================================

    SnB, this is where we strongly disagree.

    JaJason isn’t an unknown.

    I really don’t understand why you say that.

    He’s started in the NFL for 5+ years and over 60 games.

    His play has been average at best over this time, and for the majority of his starts with the Raids, he’s been horrible.

    I’d like to forget his play in Tenn, against the Rams, in SF, and 90% of the KC game…but I can’t and won’t.

    Grads, on the other hand, has about a dozen NFL starts, with a large percentage of them coming as a raw rookie in TB.

    His play as a starter for the Raids has actually been quite good. In fact, when compared to JaJason’s body of work as a Raider, it’s very good.

    It makes sense to say Gradkowski is an unknown. I’ll agree with that. I’m also on record as saying that with some more starts, surrounded by a decent cast, Grads will emerge as an upper tier NFL QB and could be the Raid’s long term solution at QB.

    I know that’s not a popular view considering Grad’s physical limitations. But it’s still one that I hold.

    JaJason sucks.

  • http://www.aflciodental.com/unions/IBEW.png therealray

    What up Big Dogg??

    ;)

  • http://www.aflciodental.com/unions/IBEW.png The Real Ray

    Aww…that’s better!

  • ArmChair GM

    Let’s see how the Raider D plays tomorrow in Pittsburgh. If they have another dominant performance, then it’s definitely time to anoint them with a moniker.

    Right now, I wanna see a little more sustained consistency from our defense…

  • Raiders for life

    I have to work tommorrow. I’m gonna miss the whole effin game.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Relax with the go and die stuff, Baucey.

    I realize comparing anyone to JaMoron is the ultimate insult, and that you like JaJason – but take it easy.

    By the way, your boy JaJason was here in Reno with DHB last Saturday night.

    They were at the Peppermill. Ate dinner at Oceano and played some poker later.

    Hope JaJason plays poker better than he QBs, or else he probably lost his azz.

  • r8rwill

    alex, i think the raiders defense is dominant based on statistics and what i have personally seen.. they have made big plays when we needed them most. big turnovers and big plays.. and all of the players are contributing. it is not just big rich. sveral players are performing at a high level..

  • alex7

    isn’t that a bit selective? you have seen all the good running backs gash the raiders defense

  • Just Fire Baby

    r8eray Says:
    November 20th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    Our Defense will win a Super Bowl!
    Just like the Bucs won one….with Brad Johnson!

    ***********************************

    Got to take offense with this one.

    Brad Johnson had the 3rd best QB rating that year (92+) and 22 TD’s to 6 int’s.

    He made the Pro Bowl and had the lowest INT to pass ratio of any QB in the league.

    He was a very good QB that year, statistically one of the best in the league.

  • alex7

    foster johnson even charles had a 5 yard average, gore.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Tedford is a joke at this stage, but man that Andrew Luck is something else.

    How can Tedford have all these rocket-armed tall QB’s, but other than when he lucked into Aaron Rodgers, every one of his QB’s makes bad decisions and has no accuracy?

  • r8rwill

    and to get back to the discussion about offense vs.defense, someone posted rams won without great defense. let me remind you it was a td saving tackle at the goal line that gave them the win.. mike jones? they had a very good d..