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Raiders pass rush must be under control

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, November 20th, 2010 at 4:15 pm in Oakland Raiders.

For a guy who lost his first four games of the season because he made bad situations worse, Ben Roethlisberger has made a career out of doing the opposite.

The more time Roethlisberger spends running plays as drawn up in the playbook, the better chance the Raiders have of beating the Pittsburgh Steelers today at Heinz Field.

The New England Patriots took charge of their 39-26 win over Pittsburgh last Sunday by keeping Roethlisberger from breaking from the pocket, shaking off defenders and completing passes downfield.

Roethlisberger finished 30 of 49 for 397 yards and three touchdowns, but the numbers were deceiving, with much of the damage coming in a 23-point fourth quarter in a game the Steelers never seriously threatened to win.

The Raiders are tied with San Diego for third in the NFL with 27 sacks, one behind Green Bay and St. Louis, but it will be crucial for defense ends Lamarr Houston and Matt Shaughnessy, as well as rush end Kamerion Wimbley and Trevor Scott, to attack in such a way that keeps Roethlisberger from breaking to the outside.

It is there that Roethlisberger will look downfield for receivers such as Hines Ward and the speedy Mike Wallace to break off their routes and be ready for a spontaneous big gain.

“I think he has a unique skill set that lends itself to making big plays as plays break down,’’ Steelers coach Mike Tomlin told Bay Area reporters by conference call this week. “That’s his distinguishing characteristic, if you will.’’

To hear former 49ers quarterback Steve Young tell it, Roethlisberger is much different than quarterbacks such as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning who specialize in dissecting defenses as drawn up in the playbook.

Young, in a weekly appearance on KNBR this week, broke down Roethlisberger’s game this way:

“To me, he’s a great improvisational quarterback and not a great quarterback because he doesn’t do it within the structure of the play called in the huddle.

“He’s proved me wrong with winning Super Bowls, but a lot of that is his defense getting the ball back a ton. But you talk about playing in the system within the confines of what you just called in the huddle, his production is average.

“I think he’s phenomenal when that thing breaks down and he improvises.’’

Roethlisberger, who was suspended for the first four games of the season for violating the NFL’s personal conduct policy stemming from allegations of sexual assault, views his 137.0 quarterback rating when flushed from the pocket as “strictly a coincidental thing. I’m not a quarterback who gives up easily. I’m always trying to keep a play going and fight through it.

“Sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s not so good.’’

Raiders defensive coordinator said Raiders can’t rush the passer as if he’s a stationary target.

“Everybody that rushes needs to be aware of where he is and grab cloth and every piece of him you can and get a lot of guys on him,’’ Marshall said..“These guys are trained and schooled to always be aware of where the quarterback is no matter who we’re playing. If it’s a quarterback that really can’t run then they are more `cut it loose’ and not as aware of where he is.’’

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  • J Hill

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  • J Hill

    Reverses, wildcat, pistol, flea-flickers.

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    I wouldn’t call a reverse or the pistol gimmic plays.

    A flea flicker is about as gimmicky as I can stand, lol.

  • J Hill

    Tom Cable interview coming up on NFLN

  • Just Fire Baby

    Tom Cable interview coming up on NFLN

    *************************************

    What are the odds he has on anything other than his go-to bowling shirt?

  • J Hill

    Too cold for the bowling shirt mayne.

  • MikieG

    Hey Sqeeler Fan, you wanna talk about our Coach having no class? Ask your boy big Ben if he has raped anyone this week!
    Heinz Ketchup is getting knocked the f*** out today, and Ben is going to be used as a climbing wall by our defensive line…
    There is a group of Steeler fans that roll around my town watching the games together like a big gang of goons. Im donning my gear and sitting right in the middle of them today. Anyone feels like getting bodyslammed, open your filthy sewer to me during this game and I will happily oblige.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Big Ben is like a prize fighter, sometimes he gets a little better after being knocked around.

    He gets a little punchy, and that’s when he is at his best.

    STopping Ben is not something many people have had much success with.

    Stop the runing game, score some points and win the ST game is the key today. Ben will do his sandlot thing.

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    Wildcat isn’t a bad option on short distance situations. I’d rather do a McFadden draw out the wildcat on 3rd and 1 than that FB dive we LOVE calling….

  • http://www.aflciodental.com/unions/IBEW.png The Real Ray

    Good Morning Raider Nation!!!
    I woke up this morning feeling a lil GEEKED!

  • aig-raiders

    Hill,

    Not watching NFL network and I make it a point to disregard national writers. You, me, the bloggers on here and Jerry know more about the Raiders than any national writer. Think about it. We live and breathe Raiders 365. National writers have to cover 32 teams and they usually rely on the local writers for the latest info. when I want to know about the other 31 teams, I go to PfT. When I want to know about the Raiders, I go here or local writers.

  • aig-raiders

    JFB,

    Dude. I wish you didnt give away your Jamarcus Jersey. I assume it was one of those authentic procut ones right? I found a company that used to contract with the nfl to make all the jersey numbers and letters. You could have modified that #2 Jersey into a 92….hahaha

  • Just Fire Baby

    On the menu this morning from the wife….

    Pancakes, green chile eggs, and some blackstreet bumping.

    Odd way to get pumped up but it is working. And going real old-school with two gas station 40′s.

  • Just Fire Baby

    AIG,

    Yup, the wife bought the authentic one for me for the B-day (was between the Jamarcus, a Lincecum or a STeph Curry jersey, lol). Can’t win them all I guess.

    504 Raider got it, not sure what he has done with it.

  • J Hill

    Cable went shirt and tie, lol!

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    I’m so pissed that the Houston/Jets game is being broadcast. CBS has it’s head up it’s ass.

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    Yea he did…surprised me too! He probably took that suit off the second he was away from the NFL Netwk cameras…lol

    Sapp is slowly being made a believer. He didn’t give us any praise, but he didn’t knock us as he usually does. What a stubborn jerk….he needs to get over his bad days in Oakland and realize he’s an analyst now and something special is brewing in Oakland with our youth movement…

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    That sucks, where you at A.B.? I’m in SoCal and we got the Raider game coming on locally

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    I’m in Chicago, which still makes no sense. Nobody here gives a crap about the Jets or Texans.

  • raidermarty

    Sapp and his back-handed compliments…..hhhmmmmpppphhh….

  • djohnnyg

    Sapp: Raiders are for real, but tuff schedule won’t win division.

    I won’t be emotionally upset if we lose ONLY IF we lose becuz Jano misses a chip shot at the end to do it.

  • djohnnyg

    218.A.B. Paine III Says:
    November 21st, 2010 at 7:58 am
    I’m in Chicago, which still makes no sense. Nobody here gives a crap about the Jets or Texans.

    I’m with ya Bro. Ridiculous.

  • 90806RAIDER77

    Really sorry I bought a 99 jersey.
    It is on the end by the 18 jersey.
    Right next to the jersey that had 2 on it.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I had a Sapp jersey as well, as well as a Jeff George.

    My new #55 is going to turn the tide (pun intended) of God-Awful jersey purchases.

  • 90806RAIDER77

    I do have 3 current jerseys 20, 21, and 76.
    The rest are greats from the past.

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 21st, 2010 at 8:02 am
    I had a Sapp jersey as well, as well as a Jeff George.

    My new #55 is going to turn the tide (pun intended) of God-Awful jersey purchases.
    ———————————
    Why on Earth did you ever buy a Jeff George jersey? Were you high?

  • 90806RAIDER77

    I don’t know which one to wear to the Charger game.
    Dec 5, 45 yard line, Plaza.
    Who else will be there?

  • raidermarty

    Nice 908 RAIDER…..
    Unfortunately I have a Burgess, Russell, and a Moss.
    Needless to say these jerseys are buried in the closet

  • YoungAmerican

    Hmmmm… Larry Fitzgerald wants out of Arizona…

  • rodsdays

    GAMEDAY baby!!!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    raidermarty Says:
    November 21st, 2010 at 8:16 am
    Nice 908 RAIDER…..
    Unfortunately I have a Burgess, Russell, and a Moss.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    At least you decided to pass on the Schweigert replica…

  • Just Fire Baby

    Why on Earth did you ever buy a Jeff George jersey? Were you high?

    *****************************

    I was never not high during those days, but I liked George and the rocket arm, before I realized he was a colossal turd.

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    I have a Ronnie Lott Raiders jersey. Haven’t bought one since the early 90s.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    Raiders/Steelers in early game
    Colts/Patriots in late game

    Good football day.

    GO RAIDERS!!!!

  • http://www.tedhendricks.com/Ted_vs_Montana.jpg BigTed707

    Go Raiders!
    Cut It Loose!

  • Roch R

    As always …. GO RAIDERS!

    This is the game, that we define ourselves. This is the game we punch out ticket to the playoffs.

  • aig-raiders

    JFB,

    The next time you want to get rid of a jersey, dont do it. I’ll help you modify it. For $26, you can swap it with another game issued authentic set of numbers and names.

    If any of you guys like Lamar Houston, then get a Sapp authentic Jersey for half the price and just swap out the name plate. I got me a Lamont Jordan 34 authentic pro cut for $40. Just took his name off and put Mitchell on there. Authentic jerseys are so much better than the premier ones.

  • M Lonetree

    HueJack v LeBeau. Match-up of the week depending upon execution…aside from the Zebra tendencies to flag the Raiders early and often putting them in long yardage situations…who would have guessed that millions of years of equine evolution that went into the Zebra genetic code would have them hating Raiders but liking gold-panners, steel workers and meat packers (liking colts and donkeys is understandible from a Zebra perspective) et al.

  • MikieG

    D@MIT! Nnamdi is out Fellas…CJ better step the heII up!

  • morilla

    I was looking at getting a new one for the SD game. It’s either Gallery, McClain, Veldheer or Seymour.

    Or I might just stick to Long, Alzado or Otto.

  • 90806RAIDER77

    Thanks for the tip AIG.
    I mona do both of those.

  • aig-raiders

    Mitchell and Ness just restocked with all the Raider Throwback. Expensive though $250. Yikes.

  • 90806RAIDER77

    One hour until the NATION shows the world they are back.

  • raidermarty

    Oh great RAIDER hater fouts calling the game…..
    would love to hear him choke on his RAIDER hate!
    GO RAIDERS!!!!

  • JakeGolden

    Steve Young the fool said this about Roethlisberger:

    “To me, he’s a great improvisational quarterback and not a great quarterback because he doesn’t do it within the structure of the play called in the huddle.

    “He’s proved me wrong with winning Super Bowls, but a lot of that is his defense getting the ball back a ton. But you talk about playing in the system within the confines of what you just called in the huddle, his production is average.
    —————————————————

    Well gee, Steve, I didn’t see Roethlisberger making too many pass plays “improvising” — he torched the Raiders standing in the pocket just fine.

    Steve Young is either clueless or jealous of Ben, who’s earned more rings in just 6 years than Steve had his whole career. And please, when it came to running around and scrambling, nobody was more “improvisational” than Steve Young.

    As for Ben’s defense getting the ball back for him, yeah that’s why he had to bail them out when they almost blew Super Bowl XLVIII. With the kind of championship winning drive Steve can only dream about doing.

    As for “average production” Cold Hard Football facts put out an article showing Ben was one of the most productive QBs in HISTORY. (You can look it up.)

    Steve Young: both clueless and jealous.

  • JakeGolden

    Attention Steve the Moron Young — read this from Cold, Hard Football Facts and see why you’re not fit to carry Big Ben’s jock:

    “Quarterbacks with a high average per pass attempt almost always win, regardless of how often they pass. And Roethlisberger is a perfect example of the importance of effectiveness over volume. He’s actually one of the most prolific passers in NFL history if you look at the right numbers.

    Big Ben averages an incredible 8.02 yards per pass attempt, the fifth highest mark in the history of football. If you want to know why the Steelers instantly became title contenders the day Roethlisberger became the starter, if you want to know why he’s already won two Super Bowls, look at that number.

    Sure, he’s been blessed with a consistently strong defense and a team committed to the run. But those two factors don’t win consistently if you can’t exploit the opposition with a highly effective passing game. Just ask Green Bay Hall of Famer Bart Starr, the only quarterback with five championship rings. His career average of 7.85 YPA was the best of any quarterback in the 1960s. Or ask Cleveland Hall of Famer Otto Graham. He led the Browns to six straight championship games in each of his six NFL seasons, an unprecedented streak of success. His average of 8.62 YPA as an NFL passer is also unprecedented, the highest, the most effective mark of all time.

    Roethlisberger went 26-4 in his first 30 games as a starter, a period during which he averaged an amazing 8.89 yards per pass attempt — an incredible number. The wins were a direct result of his historic but misunderstood productivity.

    He’s in true Big Ben form here 2010, too, even after his four-game suspension early in the year. Roethlisberger has averaged an impressive 8.41 YPA and he’s won three of his four starts.

    Bottom line: passing effectiveness, not passing volume, is what wins games in the NFL. Big Ben is the best contemporary example of this law of football success.”

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