Raiders must do it the hard way
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, November 22nd, 2010 at 8:49 pm in Oakland Raiders.
If the Raiders are to win the AFC West for the first time since 2002, they’ll do it with a tougher road than any of their division foes.
The Raiders have an advantage in that although they’re a game behind Kansas City in the division standings, they’re the only team in the division that can control its own destiny. If the Raiders win out, they own the title by virtue of already having a 3-0 record within the division that would expand to 6-0.
Of course, that’s the best-case scenario, and probably not the most likely one. Here’s how the Raiders schedule compares to that of their division foes, with San Diego having the easiest schedule based on the records of their opponents, with the Raiders having the toughest schedule:
SAN DIEGO (25-35)
at Indianapolis 6-4
Oakland 5-5
Kansas City 6-4
San Francisco 3-7
at Cincinnati 2-8
at Denver 3-7
KANSAS CITY (27-33)
at Seattle 5-5
Denver 3-7
at San Diego 5-5
at St. Louis 4-6
Tennessee 5-5
Oakland 5-5
DENVER (27-33)
St. Louis 4-6
at Kansas City 6-4
at Arizona 3-7
at Oakland 5-5
Houston 4-6
San Diego 5-5
OAKLAND (31-29)
Miami 5-5
at San Diego 5-5
at Jacksonville 6-4
Denver 3-7
Indianapolis 6-4
Kansas City 6-4
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November 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Every game is hard is Jerry
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Repost:
504 Raider Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Vince Young is better than what we have now. If we had him we would avg 200 yds passing and 200 yds rushing.
Our WRs suck and can’t get open. Part of that is our O-Line doesn’t give QB time to allow receivers to get open.
Insert Young and he has the feet to evade the rush and buy time for WRs to get open and he can get the ball there. He will not easily accept getting sacked when the pass rush come barreling towards him.
Plus if it weren’t for VY we would be 6-4 right now. V Young likes football. He doesn’t like Fisher.
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:49 pm
OK Bauce how am I wrong about JLH? if I am I’ll admit it.
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You said he was playing soft….he didnt drop any passes
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:55 pm
BHP…you remember the no call on the PI early in the game on the deep pass
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Jerry I’ll take it any way I can get it. Doesn’t mater who we have to play it matters how we play. If we come out firing we can win all 6 if we come out like we did vs Pitt we wont win many maybe 1. That team I saw yesterday wasn’t who we are, it’s who we will be if we dn’t play well.
I think we can play a whole lot better. For instance I thought that game screamed Michael Bush for 20+ carries and DMC on the perimeter. WE made it easy fr the Steelers to beat us. Murphy was a shell of himself and Ford was manhandled JLH IMO(Bauce says I’m wrong) was undisciplined and didn’t finish routes. Other than that we were Lombardi’s Green bay Packers.
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:57 pm
The only thing the Raiders threw yesterday was bombs, no?
Run Dmac up the middle and throw bombs. Sounds familiar. With Al Davis buying good press last week, I wonder if he capped the gameplan.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 pm
I have San Diego losing 4 more. K.C. losing 3 more. We will win the next 4.
We will be 9-5 heading into the Indy game. San Diego will be 6-8. K.C. will be 7-7.
Raiders will be AFC West Champs before Indy game. Imagine that! Raiders vs Colts in week 16 with Raiders resting starters.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 pm
KKKell, those balls Z Miller dropped were hardly bombs, no? Maybe a trip to Lenscrafters is what you need to get those peepers checked?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Do you even watch the games man or do you just look for Al Davis angles?……………what a moron!
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm
There were a lot of long balls thrown by the Raiders yesterday.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm
tj, you should show KKKell some of your still photos and school him on whats happening on the field?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 pm
The Raiders will destroy Miami on Sunday,
You kNow it!
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 pm
There were a lot of long balls thrown by the Raiders yesterday.
3/12 on 3rd downs.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm
KK, yes there were some long balls thrown yesterday. There were a ton more check downs. Its JC for Krist sake.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm
KKKell,
You said “the ONLY thing they threw was bombs”. Now you are saying “there were alot”.
Even you can see the shift in your assessment, no?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Those passes weren’t more than 30-40 yards in the zones it’s the wya you attack a cover2 dude. He threw plenty of short and intermnediate passes to the TE’s and they dropped them even tried screens they didn’t work.
Dude you’re goofy!!
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
At least he can post the 3rd down conversion stat correctly.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:56 pm
You know, I’d rather have 15 Sam Williams than 1 Chokie Lee Higgins.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm
A lot of bombs and DMC up the middle.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
LMAO
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Drexl Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
At least he can post the 3rd down conversion stat correctly.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Why do I think Khalif Barnes will end up with more receptions than Chokie Lee Higgins?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm
KK Dmac had 15 carries, how can you say DMC up the middle?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Why do I think Khalif Barnes will end up with more receptions than Chokie Lee Higgins?
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Medical marijuana?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Why do I think Khalif Barnes will end up with more receptions than Chokie Lee Higgins?
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Probably because Barnes already has more TD receptions this year than Chokie Lee.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm
So many things wrong with this story but this is what you get when liberals are running the TSA.
Tom Sawyer?
lol
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ROMULUS, Mich. – A bladder cancer survivor from Michigan who wears a bag that collects his urine said the head of the Transportation Security Administration called to apologize for an airport pat-down that caused the bag to spill its contents on his clothing.
Tom Sawyer, a 61-year-old retired special education teacher, said the experience left him in tears before he caught a flight to Orlando, Fla., on Nov. 7.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:18 pm
SeymourGlen is reduced to reposting his own posts and talking to himself!
Did the mental institution security gates malfunction tonight?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:20 pm
And when we actually do capture a terrorist….like I dont know the underwear bomber, pres purple lips goes out of his way not to call him a terrorist.
Is it 2012 yet? God help us…
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“Here I am, just an average citizen from a small town,” Sawyer said. “I told him, `I only want training for the agents on medical conditions.’”
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:21 pm
mista-buffoon. Weren’t you the idiot that was saying our pass defense would be better without Nnamdi? But then you believe the Colts passing offense would be better without Manning, don’t you?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:21 pm
The Raiders leading tacklers: Branch 65, Huff 62
The Whiners leading tacklers: Willis 91, Spikes 62
Where is RoMac?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Is it 2012 yet? God help us…
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Aren’t these the policies put in place by you and the conservatives? The same ones you just revoted in, after they wrecked the economy?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Drexl Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm
KK Dmac had 15 carries, how can you say DMC up the middle?
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10 of those were up the middle.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 pm
RoMac is usually blocked by somebody, and he doesn’t usually get off those blocks.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Drex
Romac is struggling but our front four are making alot of plays.Im not worried about him yet.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Let’s see how long it takes me to get missed-a-brain to start crying for his mommie, like the last 50 times he was here. Where is Vegas Raider? I would say the over under is five minutes before he starts crying.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Seymour the Clown,
J Napolitano is head of the TSA.
Who appointed that derelict head of the TSA?
Who has been running congress since 2006?
Who is in the WH?
How you could be any more of a tard is beyond me! If you know the answer to any of those questions you dont throw it back on the Reps, unless you are a certified retard!
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Seymour Bush Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Aren’t these the policies put in place by you and the conservatives? The same ones you just revoted in, after they wrecked the economy?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 pm
I see the struggle, I have hope Beikert will improve his game. I do not see ROY award going his way unfortunately.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Gnite Trolls.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm
SeymourGlen,
Dont post to me ever again pretend I’m invisible. You could be the biggest idiot I’ve ever seen in my life.
Holy krap!
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm
I am hoping the return of Big Jon eating up more blockers will thus allow Romac to make more plays.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Where’d you get those questions? Let me guess: Rush Limbaugh. Did you know that in the month before the election leading economic indicators jumped .5% pointing to to a sustained economic recovery in the spring. But that was before idiots voted the conservatives back in, who got us in this mess.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Let’s see how long it takes me to get missed-a-brain to start crying for his mommie, like the last 50 times he was here.
Mistabrown Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm
SeymourGlen,
Dont post to me ever again pretend I’m invisible
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Yup. 3 minutes and he is already crying. The under wins.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Seymour, Kelly, and John are about as much as a MLB could ask to be in front of him.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
missed-a-brain while I am here please refer to yourself as Ben’s bathroom date.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:41 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Seymour, Kelly, and John are about as much as a MLB could ask to be in front of him.
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I think the same thing.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
22.Drexl Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm
KK Dmac had 15 carries, how can you say DMC up the middle?
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DMAC had 10 carries NOT 15.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Where did Big Ben’s Bathroom Date go?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 pm
We just need to launch another 3 game winning streak and see how things shake out from there.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
In the next draft I’m thinking we need to take the best WR on the board with out first pick. We cant continue with this group we need 1 stud and we dont have anything close to it right now. After that O-line and a Qb.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
I would put up with a two game win streak, followed by a three game streak.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
In the next draft I’m thinking we need to take the best WR on the board with out first pick.
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You said Nnamdi sucks. Based on that, wouldn’t you think corner would be high on the list? Or do you think Walter mcFadden and Jeremy Ware are the answer? Or are you just the dumbest thing since new coke?
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Murphy = #3 WR
DHB = #5 WR
Ford = too early to tell but prob a #2 or #3
JLH = #4 WR
N Miller = Who the F knows
Chaz = girl
That is one atrocious group of WR right there!
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:51 pm
now to more important factors that I do have control over…
thankfully all of you were correct and Mr. seymour only got a $25,000 fine and did not get suspended.
We have six D-Lineman: 5 that can play DT (Seymour, Henderson,Kelly, Bryant, and Houston) 4 that can play DE (Houston, Shaughnessy, Seymour, and Kelly)
so 4-3 3-4 Miami is going down; they have only given up 19 sacks all year, Raiders must sack Miami at least 3 times in the 1st half.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:51 pm
A stud receiver, someone we can anoint the number 81 to an know he will prove worthy.
Also the QB needs to be addressed, I would like to see better at that position. Unfortunately the number of rook starting QB’s that workout in the NFL are slim, especially later round picks.
That leaves FA pickups, “sigh”.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Im not looking past 3 weeks. We are not going to run the table thats a lock!
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Drexl Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
I would put up with a two game win streak, followed by a three game streak.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Mista I do agree, Mr. Ford is our best WR.
Jacoby should start.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 pm
32.KoolKell Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 pm
RoMac is usually blocked by somebody, and he doesn’t usually get off those blocks.
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How come it isn’t till AFTER we draft somebody do we find out we shouldn’t have drafted him in the first place? The draft “experts” were saying ROMAC was this great MLB at Bama, and now there’s these guys coming out of the woodwork saying he was never good at coming off blocks etc. etc.
I really think that he’ll be a servicable MLB for the Raiders but never anything special. Kind of a Greg Biekert kind of guy at best. I don’t think he’s bad, just nothing special.
He serves a purpose because we needed to replace Kirk, and he’s young and could be with us for a few years and do a “servicable” job.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 pm
In fact Raiders should consider starting Mr. Myers and Mr. Z. Miller, with a two TE set and pound the rock down the porpies throat.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Im not looking past 3 weeks. We are not going to run the table thats a lock!
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Drexl Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
I would put up with a two game win streak, followed by a three game streak.
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That’s why I give us the fluke loss to Jacksonville.
You kNow it!
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 pm
we should have done that vs. the Steelers also
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Murphy is turning into more of a disappointment than DHB only because he showed some signs early but his game is a mess.
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Theres no excuse for this bad of a WR group! Seems like every other team has at least 1 guy that scares you and some have 2 but we have nada.
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RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Mista I do agree, Mr. Ford is our best WR.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Theres no excuse for this bad of a WR group!
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Last year you said it was the QB. Now you say it’s the WR’s. You don’t know what you are talking about ever do you?
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Raiders must wins = Miami and Denver at home.
Raiders simply need to go all out vs. San Diego in two weeks (they play Indy next Sunday), which means we could all but mathmatically eliminate the Chargers as they would be 5-7 and us at 7-5 and we have a two game sweep and guaranteed the best divisional record should there be a 3-way tie atop the AFC West.
We just need to stay within a game of KC going into final week, if we are 1 game up going into final week we clinch by virtue of divisional record.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Last year it was the quarterback position!
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:04 pm
This was obvious to the most novice casual fan in the world.
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RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Last year it was the quarterback position!
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 pm
This year it is the WR position, they are actually putting too much pressure on our O-Linemen by forcing them to have to hold their pass blocking a couple seconds longer than mormal, because they do not get open, of course this goes to
cheap coaching.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Murphy is turning into more of a disappointment than DHB
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Murphy had a fairly decent rookie year all things considered. He leads the WR group in receptions and is on pace to break his rookie marks and improve on those numbers even tho he missed a game with a bruised lung and has a new Q to break in. Are you an imbecile or what?
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Last year DHB & Murph were rookies so you couldn’t lean on them too hard but this year that doesn’t fly. We also have a Qb in JC that is just slightly quicker thinker than JaMeatloaf so the ball doesn’t come out fast enough.
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RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 pm
This year it is the WR position, they are actually putting too much pressure on our O-Linemen by forcing them to have to hold their pass blocking a couple seconds longer than mormal, because they do not get open, of course this goes to
cheap coaching.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:09 pm
# RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Last year it was the quarterback position!
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Name one team in the top half of the league in passing that does not have a marquee QB.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Retribution, this is the part where SeymourGlen has to justify the stupid krap he says. Just let him talk himself to sleep he will leave soon.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
one could argue though we are still weak at QB, OL, and WR; which of course is 72% of our offense (RBs & TEs only make up 3/11).
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Murphy missed a first down by simply not dragging his feet and then the lame fumble after a first down.
He was not impressive this week and he drops a lot of passes.
Our QB Campbell looks and plays like he’s scared and our WR’s look and play the same. DHB gets injured in practice? It’s amazing we are 5-5 when you look at how bad our WR’s are and the fact we have a horrible quarterback. How can a team win with a lamer like Campbell. Loved that bounce pass he threw to Ford. Awful.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Big Ben’s Bathroom Date, you have just embarrassed yourself all night and you are still mouthing off? So a guy who has 1 and a half years in the league is washed up? And jacoby Ford who has 2 NFL starts is the new Messiah? Are you stupid or drunk? Or both?
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:17 pm
this year our qbs are okay, they are solid #2’s
both Jason & Bruce are simply too inconsistent to be #1’s.
what we need to do is combine the two into one and thereby we would have an all-pro QB… wait we
already have a Bruce Campbell… that’s what AL & Tom are up to, they are molding B.C. into a QB.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 pm
# djohnnyg Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Murphy missed a first down by simply not dragging his feet and then the lame fumble after a first down.
He was not impressive this week and he drops a lot of passes.
Our QB Campbell looks and plays like he’s scared and our WR’s look and play the same. DHB gets injured in practice? It’s amazing we are 5-5 when you look at how bad our WR’s are and the fact we have a horrible quarterback. How can a team win with a lamer like Campbell. Loved that bounce pass he threw to Ford. Awful.
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Murphy is coming off a pretty serious injury. Our defense has played well. The defense played well in the Piss-burgh game. Put that loss on Jason Campbell. He was flat out terrible.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 pm
it’s still bouncing
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:20 pm
The last 3 years our WR group has been the worst I’ve seen in my lifetime for the Raiders. We desperately need a stud at that position.
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Djohnnyg Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Murphy missed a first down by simply not dragging his feet and then the lame fumble after a first down.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:23 pm
no one is saying Ford is the answer, and either Murphy or DHB are washed up, what we are saying is Ford is the Raiders’ best WR, as a rookie he has better hands than Murphy, DHB, or Higgins, he fights for the ball more, he runs better routes than any of those three and only DHB can match his speed.
Ford is our best WR this year.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Zack Miller is what makes the Raider offense go. without a healthy ZM the offense is in serious trouble. And Miller is probably a month away from being healthy.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
# RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:23 pm
no one is saying Ford is the answer, and either Murphy or DHB are washed up, what we are saying is Ford is the Raiders’ best WR, as a rookie he has better hands than Murphy, DHB, or Higgins, he fights for the ball more, he runs better routes than any of those three and only DHB can match his speed.
Ford is our best WR this year.
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Jacoby Ford has had one good game in his career. The NFL will figure players tendencies out fast. Players that last in this league have to continue to change, adapt and get better at their game. Look at Troy Smith with the Whiners. Two weeks ago he looked like he had a future. Then the league figured him out. Now, he has a future selling insurance. It is waaaaay too early to anoint Ford as a #1, and throw Murphy and DHB in the trash bin.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Murphy is still playing like a rookie, it seems he is always either dropping the football, having only one foot in bounds, fumbling, and/or gets caught from behind.
For Murphy, when breaks do not go his way, he pouts like Freddie Garcia (the former Mariners pitcher) to the refs or the coaching staff on the sidelines.
The biggest difference between Ford and Murphy, when Ford dropped a pass in the beginning of the KC game, he stepped up, made unbelievable catches in clutch situations even.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Especially with the Q play the Raiders have hoisted out there the last few years.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Murphy sh!ts his pants every time he goes over the middle. The poster boy for alligator arms!
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:32 pm
DMAC is what makes the offense go. We need 1 bonafide #1 WR to compliment Zach & DMAC and theres your 3 headed monster.
The end
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 pm
You’re not listening, can I please just beat you over the head with a used TSA glove a few hundred times, no one is saying throw Murphy or DHB into the Bin, right now they are proving to be more like Devery Henderson of the Saints and Ford in one game as outplayed them in their entire careers.
Ford on most teams would be a #2 and/or a #3.
For our Wide Reciever corp he simply is our best.
Murphy, DHB could be pro-bowlers in a couple years or they could continue to be a Troy Williamson or Devery Henderson.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Psst… our best offensive lineman is a rookie also.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Didnt I warn you about SeymourGlen? He will twist everything you say to fit his knuckleheaded thoughts.
lol @ the TSA glove beat down!
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RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 pm
You’re not listening, can I please just beat you over the head with a used TSA glove a few hundred times
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Is anyone else worried about super athletic and good lb/de Cameron Wake vs Langston Walker?
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 pm
speaking of gloves I really wish the Raiders would make the next WR that drops a pass take off his gloves, they are not doing them any good.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 pm
SeymourGlen still thinks G Bush is pres. So the likely hood of having a intelligent conv with him is slim to none.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:32 pm
DMAC is what makes the offense go.
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This said from someone who thinks the world is flat, Nnamdi sucks, and the Browns are the best team in the AFC North. The end.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
MistaBrown and everyone else did you happen to see the SNL skit on TSA, they even showed it on Fox News.
They combined the TSA with gorgeous women doing a chat commercial, it is funny as hell.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Browns arguably have the best RB in the AFC north,
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Ford on most teams would be a #2 and/or a #3.
For our Wide Reciever corp he simply is our best.
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It’s kind of hard to say someone with two NFL starts has shown enough to warrant your praise and/or condemnation of the other players. See post #80. Again.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 pm
RR,
I havent watched SNL in years.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:45 pm
Now SeymourGlen will call you a Browns fan for the next 3 years.
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RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Browns arguably have the best RB in the AFC north,
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:45 pm
Mr. Nnamdi Asomugha is the best overall cornerback in the NFL, no one covers as tight and tackles as well as Nnamdi.
Mr. Woodson & Revis come close.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:46 pm
# RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Browns arguably have the best RB in the AFC north,
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Better than Ray Rice with Laron McClain and Flacco in the same backfield? Remember, having that marquee Q is probably what helps some of those backs.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm
#21 has 2 career sacks. 11 career INT’s. 1 career TD.
8 of his INT’s came in 2006 the other 3 are spread out in 7 years.
That is the best CB in the NFL? Its pathetic if you ask me.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:53 pm
I do not know if it would get him a flag or a fine, but I think it would be hilarious if Hochuli reffed a Browns’ game this year, and when Ed announced one of the penalties… Hillis walks up behind him and poses his biceps… the woman would love it anyway.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 pm
The only QB that throws his way is Rivers, he gets maybe 4 a game thrown his way.
The one part of his game that Nnamdi does not have is to give enough distance from the reciever to bait the QB into throwing his way.
and as far as sacks are concerned the Raiders are one of the least blitzing teams in the NFL.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 pm
#21 should give AL back 1/3 of his salary and restructure a long term deal that would have him moving to safety for less money. Those stats are atrocious! AL is being VERY generous tagging him I say let him walk if he wont take less $
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:59 pm
There are 4 consistent top tier runningbacks: Peterson, CJ, Gore,& Drew
next tier are: McFadden, Rice, Jackson, Charles, Turner, and two/three others, Hillis is one of them.
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:59 pm
RR, those stats are nickel back numbers! We’ve had some great corners here that made plays: – Hayes, Haynes, A Lewis, W Brown
#21 is not even in the same zip code
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Nnamdi is intelligent as he is loyal.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:01 pm
We had an offenses that gave the Raiders leads more often and forced teams to pass to try to catch up.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:01 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm
#21 has 2 career sacks. 11 career INT’s. 1 career TD.
8 of his INT’s came in 2006 the other 3 are spread out in 7 years.
That is the best CB in the NFL? Its pathetic if you ask me.
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3 time Pro Bowler, 3 time All Pro corner. What is pathetic is what missed-a-brain thinks.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Whats his IQ?
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RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Nnamdi is intelligent as he is loyal.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:03 pm
You think Rothleisberger goes 18/29 275 yards with 3 TD’s with #21 out there? Time to go to bed missed-a-brain. You are embarrassing yourself again.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Raiders also had Tatum, Atkintson, Davis, and McElroy as Safeties to back those guys up also, Nnamdi has been like Ichiro in the Mariners batting order.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:11 pm
Willie Brown had Doctor Death, Hayes had Haynes, Nnamdi had C. Johnson for one good year and now that Routt is finally proving himself and with the best defensive front the Raiders have had in a decade or longer, Asomugha’s numbers could go up.
also he gets voted into the pro-bowl every year by his peers.
opposing coaches know he is one of the best.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:15 pm
RR, those stats are garbage they dont lie but you have your opinion and I have mine.
Im not going to twist your words or call you a Browns fan like a mental patient that cant find his meds.
gnite
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:21 pm
goodnight
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:35 pm
On the bright side having Henderson helped. Losing Scott hurt. Goethel was a massive liability in coverage. Granted it was his frist ever NFL action but still. Doesn’t bode well for the hear out unless Thomas Howard gets promoted back to starter and they move away from the hybrid thing a little.
BTW, Kamerion’s been ok, but we need more out of him now.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Groves gets props the last few games too…not quite enough, but at least contributing.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
# RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:51 pm
We have six D-Lineman: 5 that can play DT (Seymour, Henderson,Kelly, Bryant, and Houston) 4 that can play DE (Houston, Shaughnessy, Seymour, and Kelly)
So 4-3 3-4 Miami is going
down.
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Good observation. Our D linemen have flexibility. We should be mixing up 3-4 & 4-3 lineups on an as-working basis. If the opponents can’t tell the formation based on personnel they’ll find it difficult to call the best plays. Play alignment on our part should be situated for the best mismatches favoring us.
AD should pay Seymour’s fine as a way of saying thanks for bring back old school Raider attitude & traditions.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
111. After the year Revis has had Nnamdi’s clearly the best. Have to take into account the fact Nnadi never held his team hostage, sat out so long he pulled a hammy soon after returning and took away from the teams focus.
Revis is the best all around but rather have Nnamdi anyday…
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 pm
116. We do mix it up on D.
Didn’t so much against KC and Steelers and not sure how much we’ll do it with LB/DE hybrid Scott out of the line up.
We do have a 3-4 “look” we go into. Used to use it more in red zone when Rob Ryan was here.
John Marshall called it last year more. Its a psycho package type 3-4 overload and has worked very well in the past.
November 22nd, 2010 at 11:59 pm
BHP,
Your comment at post 5 is exactly correct! Which begs the question, why is Tom Cable still the head coach! The win over the Rams was a disparate Tom Cable doing whatever he had to to save his job. The big wins over K.C., Denver and S.D. were “emotional” wins led by Richard Seymour. You cannot say those games were won on “coaching”, in fact one could argue that they were won in spite of coaching. I have been to all the home games and have awesome memories but now d.t. ill-prepared losses to S.F. Arizona we are in a position that we must win 5 out of 6 to win this division. Is there ANY chance that will happen? Not without a smart head coach!
Richard Seymour was accused of not being a vocal leader in the early part of the season. With the last few wins he has become more vocal with each win to the point I heard him announce to his troops in the post game locker room following a victory, “IF WE KEEP PLAYING LIKE THIS, CAN’T NOBODY BEAT US!”
But when Seymour lost his poise, after Roth-the-Date-Raper said something to him, provoking Seymour to pimp slap date-rape-burger; Well, that may have been the slap heard around the nation that ended this years run.
I credit Seymour for these wins more than Cable because he sparked the defense by his consistent full throttle play, followed by vociferously challenging his defense to play to win – which they did.
I will be there Sunday to watch a very good defense Miami try to snuff out any hope of the Raiders winning the AFC west this year. The question remains, will Seymour be able to continue to rally his defense or will he tone down his rhetoric because of the subliminal, psychological fallout from his loss of composure on Sunday?
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:14 am
Looking at the schedule above I would be happy with 3 more wins.
Miami, Denver, & KC
If they sneak 1 more against the rest (SD, Jags, Colts), that would give the Raiders their first winning season in 8 years.
Even if they miss the playoffs, 8-8 or 9-7 would be a huge victory for this franchise and coaching staff.
GO RAIDERS!!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:18 am
oh yeah, if they go 9-7 and miss the Division by a game or 2, then we can sit and talk about the missed FG in Arizona and a blown chance against the 49ers.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:20 am
If you look at int’s and TD’s and stats in this system that Nnamdi plays. It’s not his #’s that are pathetic it’s your lack of understandng our system that is pathetic. You’ve been watching our system how long and you still don’t get it?
It’s very hard o get stats playing the kind of cover corner Nnamdi plays. a. he rarely seees the ball b. once they try to throw at him they give up c. He probably gets 2 chances per game to put up any stats. In order for nnamdi to get stats he wuld have to cheat off his man and take a chance picking off a ball thrown to someone else’s man which even that is limited because it’s normally on the other side of the field. He has to get extremely lucky in our system to get a pick. he has to bate the QB and then take the ball away. Soemthing Deoin Sanders had to do. Even Mike Haynes rarely had a chance to get a pick he had to peel of his man onto a ball intended for someone else’s man to get a pick. Now if they design a defense that allows him to roam more it would help but they still don’t throw at him.
There’s really not a lot he can do other than what he’s doing it’s his own fault he just too damn good.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:24 am
# priesttj Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:20 am
If you look at int’s and TD’s and stats in this system that Nnamdi plays. It’s not his #’s that are pathetic it’s your lack of understandng our system that is pathetic. You’ve been watching our system how long and you still don’t get it?
It’s very hard o get stats playing the kind of cover corner Nnamdi plays. a. he rarely seees the ball b. once they try to throw at him they give up c. He probably gets 2 chances per game to put up any stats. In order for nnamdi to get stats he wuld have to cheat off his man and take a chance picking off a ball thrown to someone else’s man which even that is limited because it’s normally on the other side of the field. He has to get extremely lucky in our system to get a pick. he has to bate the QB and then take the ball away. Soemthing Deoin Sanders had to do. Even Mike Haynes rarely had a chance to get a pick he had to peel of his man onto a ball intended for someone else’s man to get a pick. Now if they design a defense that allows him to roam more it would help but they still don’t throw at him.
There’s really not a lot he can do other than what he’s doing it’s his own fault he just too damn good.
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Priest some of these people here are just too blinded and biased to see the truth. They have agendas and vendettas against certain players, and once they make their minds up no amount of reason or logic will get them to see it…
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:14 am
# djohnnyg Says:
November 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Reverse conspiracy theory:
The NFL WANTS the Raiders to be good. They realize that a competitive and relevant Raider team is GOOD for the league. They finally figured it out. The NFL NEEDS the Raiders.
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Not true. If the NFL wants the Raiders to be good, the Raiders don’t go 7 straight years losing.
The NFL has become a homogenized machine, and Al’s style of management is a threat to it. They’d love nothing more than for Al to lose year after year, as an example for other owners thinking of going all rogue and maverick.
Al lost the war. He’s basically a POW anymore, who the winning army allows to walk around and pretend he’s one of them.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:17 am
Madden gamers:
Why does Gradkowski suck so bad on Madden? Do the programmers even watch football? I just got the new Madden. I immediately move Gradkowski to the top of the depth chart, and he can’t hit water from a boat. I finally get fed up and sub in Campbell, and he just threads the needle on a long pass. Kind of the opposite of reality. What’s wrong with those guys?
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:37 am
Raiders will be back in first place next week. Chiefs will lose to Seahawks, in Seattle, and Colts will take care of Chargers.
Raiders 27, Dolphins 7
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 am
- The O-line was absolutely terrible, no QB would have been successful playing behind that line.
- As for the #21 conversation………since when has evaluating cornerback play been reduced to how many interceptions a CB gets.
- QBs throw at Revis all day long over 100 times a season, Nnamdi is lucky to see 25 throws his way in a season.
- The two most respected/best corners in the NFL are Nnamdi and Champ. I’ll put the attempts in those guys direction up against Revis’s all day everyday. Combine them even and they’ll still be less attempts to them put together than to Revis.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:44 am
Some good discussion last night on the state of the Raiders WR’s. It’s clear we dont have the right guys now at the position, and our WR coach is a joke that would never be allowed near another NFL team.
Our leader coming into the season was Louis Murphy. For all his playmaking skills he showed in preseason and through the first few games, he has looked shellshocked coming off multiple dings and bruises to of all things his lungs…never heard of a bruised lung before…
But the point is Murphy is not running crisp routes, not putting himself in position to execute, unaware of the sidelines, and has alligator arms. It looks to me that Murphy is nowhere near mentally where he was at the start of the season when he would talk about improving on his rookie year.
Last year, he produced solid numbers despite having to play with JaMarcus. It seemed a given that if he could get over some of the drops he had that most of us thought were just rookie nerves, he’d elevate himself to maybe a 1000 yard receiver.
DHB is another that got a ton of good press pieces this offseason. He looked like he had turned the corner. But when he isn’t hurt with some of his “mystery illnesses”, he is scissor kick catching a ball with his hips that he should just naturally reach out and grab. Maybe he needs a pair of glasses as his depth perception is off kilter. Or maybe he just has no eye-hand coordination. He has had a couple of good games, so that will always buy him some time. But I am not expecting much from DHB anytime soon.
Jacoby Ford had a nice game a couple of weeks ago, but he is just a rookie, and it’s a bit rich to think he can be a #1 type WR. His routes are just not there yet.
C. Schilens is an afterthought who is dragging down the roster occupying a cold roster spot.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:03 am
- As for the #21 conversation………since when has evaluating cornerback play been reduced to how many interceptions a CB gets.
- QBs throw at Revis all day long over 100 times a season, Nnamdi is lucky to see 25 throws his way in a season.
- The two most respected/best corners in the NFL are Nnamdi and Champ. I’ll put the attempts in those guys direction up against Revis’s all day everyday. Combine them even and they’ll still be less attempts to them put together than to Revis.
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Thats because Revis has a VERY good corner opposite him. You cant pick on Cromartie all day because he will make you pay.
Just not the case in Oakland. If we elevated the play of the rest of our secondary Nnamdi would see 100 balls too, but why throw to him just to say you did it?
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:08 am
“The Raiders have an advantage in that although they’re a game behind Kansas City in the division standings, they’re the only team in the division that can control its own destiny.”
HOW is this possible? They do not control their destiny. If KC wins out (12-4), they are div champs, regardless of what OAK does (11-5 w/ win-out).
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:11 am
WELL SAID BCZ24.#21 IS THE BEST THE RAIDERS HAVE,SO WHY GO THERE IF YOUR A QB.DEFINITLY A TOP SHELF CORNER,BUT THE BEST..??
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 am
BOTH THE RAIDERS AND KC CAN NOT WIN OUT,THEY PLAY EACH OTHER THA FINAL GAME OF THE YEAR.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:15 am
Trevor Scott has a torn left ACL
Chris Johnson had a groin strain
Hiram Eugene got a stinger and
Tyvon Branch with a sore A-C in the shoulder
Zach Miller is in the boot
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at least Pittsburgh didn’t hurt Darren McFadden!
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 am
Meegwell, if the Raiders win outright that would include a week 17 meeting against the chefs.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:25 am
ROCKSTAR,EVERYTHING OK MAN ?
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:26 am
Fins banged up
DAVIE — The Miami Dolphins returned to the practice field Monday morning, but they were without the services of three key starters, at least during the portion of practice open to the media.
Leading receiver Brandon Marshall, coming off a hamstring injury that knocked him out for the second half of the Bears loss on Thursday, was not at practice during the open portion. Marshall told WQAM’s Michael Irvin on Friday that he would do everything in his power to get back to the field as soon as possible, but it’s unclear if Marshall will be able to play against his old AFC West foes at Oakland on Sunday.
In addition, inside linebacker and defensive co-captain Karlos Dansby joined starting center Joe Berger (knee) on the exercise bikes. Dansby was listed on the injury report last week with an elbow issue, but it’s unclear if that’s what kept him on the side Monday. Tim Dobbins took Dansby’s place alongside Channing Crowder at ILB.
While Tyler Thigpen continued to work with the first-team offensive line — with Richie Incognito at center and Pat McQuistan at left guard — Chad Henne took his share of reps as well. Henne had a huge brace on his sprained left knee, but his arm appeared fine and he seemed able to make all the throws.
Mobility, obviously, will be a huge issue as the team determines whether Henne can return to the field in six days at Oakland. For now, Henne appeared to be experimenting with backpedaling on his three-step drops rather than turning away from the defense.
Whether this was knee-related or purely a mechanical adjustment isn’t known yet, but I’m guessing it’s the former.
Also, former starting DE Phillip Merling returned to practice for the first time since tearing his left Achilles’ tendon in July. Merling, currently on the reserve/non-football injury list, has another eight days on his practice window before the Dolphins must determine whether to add him to the 53-man roster.
Offensive lineman Cory Procter, who made his first Dolphins start at center on Thursday, was not at Monday’s practice. He has been placed on injured reserve with a torn ACL in his left knee, although the team has not announced it yet.
His replacement was on the scene — wearing No. 73 — ex- Colts LT Tony Ugoh. Ugoh, who can also play some guard, worked out for the Dolphins over the weekend, along with ex-Bengals LT Levi Jones, and I can assure you that wasn’t Jones out there.
By Mike Berardino, South Florida Sun-Sentinel
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:27 am
Dirt Lot,
everything is great man!
you?
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:29 am
Good morning all.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:30 am
We may see a half speed Asomugha covering a half speed Marshall on Sunday!
I think Routt can handle Bess.
Fasano & Hartline are the wildcards, especially if Groves moves to DE and Brown or Howard start at WLB (puke)
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 am
ALL IS GOOD ROCKSTAR.HAD NOT SEEN ANY POST FROM U IN A FEW DAYS.THOUGHT THE RED ARMY HAD MARCHED ON PODUNK OR SOMETHING…
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:34 am
Been working all weekend and missed the game.Managed to get to a pc around midnight Sunday and was gutted to see the score.
What Seymour did was wrong but I’ve got to say pee-wee Ben went down like a girl.I guess we’ve got another Steelers QB going to Hollywood.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:34 am
HAD NOT SEEN ANY POST FROM U IN A FEW DAYS.THOUGHT THE RED ARMY HAD MARCHED ON PODUNK OR SOMETHING…
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Dirt Lot,
I haven’t been on as regular since last Tuesday … when our first child was born
I’m back to work now, unfortunately
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:34 am
Im not worried about what Miami is going to do in the passing game. Tyler Thigpen is going to be running for his life. I think we are going to squish the fish.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:35 am
…….and now I read that Scott’s gone for the season.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:35 am
Congrats Rock!!! Sorry your baby had to come into the world to see that mess though.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:36 am
Rockstar……Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:36 am
Boy or girl?
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:37 am
Well we all wanted ShauNasty to get more reps… now is his chance!
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:38 am
HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION ROCKSTAR,APOLOGIES & CONGRATS..
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:38 am
Neil: boy!
thanks BCZ.
yeah, the baby and I were both crying on Sunday
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:40 am
“Tuesday’s child is full of grace”
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:40 am
Congratulations Papa Rockstar!
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:44 am
This is a very winnable game, the biggest keys are to get the run game going and stopping Cameron Wake.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:44 am
I think we are going to squish the fish.
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the only way they beat us is if Ronnie Brown & Ricky Williams run all over us, but I don’t see that happening since Seymour avoided suspension, John Henderson is back healthy and ShoNasty is getting a heavier workload
Dirty Pirates 14
Tanned Goldfish 9
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:45 am
thanks Neil & Jimbo!
CW, who is Cameron Wake?
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:47 am
Cameron Wake is a blitzing MONSTER! He will have a field day in our backfield if we dont put a TE over to help Walker.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:47 am
Yeah I agree,lots of running by Miami on Sunday aswell as Wildcat.Should,on paper,be an easy game.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:48 am
He is second in the NFL with 9.5 sacks
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:49 am
Miami hasnt even been able to effectively run the ball of late. They have no offense really at this point. Keep em out of FG range and we will probably blank em
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:49 am
http://www.nfl.com/players/cameronwake/profile?id=WAK155481
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:51 am
Cameron Wake is a blitzing MONSTER! He will have a field day in our backfield if we dont put a TE over to help Walker.
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I hope it’s Myers or Barnes then, because Zmiller was NOT impressive on Sunday in any aspect of his game!
I was actually missing Doug Jolley & Teyo Johnson. How old is Rickey Dudley? Does he still have “Raider speed”?
Miller Time must not be 100 percent if he’s already back in the boot. Thats all I can figure. Keep him on the shelf until he’s healthy, because that was embarrassing
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:53 am
Doug Jolley was okay but Teyo??!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:53 am
Liked Mike Dyal aswell.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:54 am
Roland Williams, anyone?
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:55 am
Roland was okay.Bill Romanowski didn’t like him though.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:56 am
Liked Mike Dyal aswell.
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when was that? 1990?
you have a good memory man!
I thought Ethan Horton was THE MAN
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:58 am
Roland was okay.Bill Romanowski didn’t like him though.
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you’re thinking of Marcus Williams!
remember Randall Williams, converted WR from Dallas?
LOL! that dude had some guns. where is John Madsen?
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:58 am
Mike played late 80’s I think.Remember him catching a pass from Steve Beuerline (spelling sucks) to beat the cards.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 am
It was Marcus? Sorry my bad……..and Romo’s.
Liked both Ethan (he should never have gone to the skins) and John Madsen.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 am
Doug Jolley was okay but Teyo??!!
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Teyo Johnsons role was reduced because he missed some voluntary offseason workouts to go to China on an NFL tour, although head coach Norv Turner denied this was the case
2003: He played in all 16 games and made 14 catches for 128 yards and 1 TD
2004: only 8 games and made 9 catches, 131 yards, and 2 TDs.
so basically, he’s better than Darrius Heyward-Bey. LOL
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 am
ANDREW GLOVER..
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:02 am
Mike played late 80’s I think.
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I was born in ‘83 bro. probably why I don’t remember him
haha
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:02 am
Who was that free agent we had a few years back,had one great season then stank the place up.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:04 am
Who was that free agent we had a few years back,had one great season then stank the place up.
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Tory James?
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:05 am
Not Tory.Goona check the Raider site.Back in min..
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:06 am
ANDREW GLOVER..
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the 10th rounder from Grambling? LOL
he’s probably the same age as Favre. sign him up!
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 am
I was always a Roland Williams fan because he is from my hometown. He did a football camp here every year for awhile too. Even brought a few Raiders with him one year.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:12 am
Courtney Anderson…..ring a bell?
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:14 am
Hey! Courtney was in the film “coach carter”.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:14 am
Congrats RR!
Get ur kid on FOX news before the libtard left indoctrinates him @ Kindergarten.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:15 am
Courtney Anderson…..ring a bell?
Courtney was in the film “coach carter”.
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Yeah!
I like that movie, but I don’t remember CA being in it. Same movie with Samuel L Jackson?
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:17 am
CA must have been that Center that challenged Coach! I didnt know that either.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:18 am
Anderson was a member of the 1999 Richmond Oilers basketball team that was featured in the movie Coach Carter. He was portrayed as the character Junior Battle.
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from wikipedia.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:20 am
thanks Brown!
out here in Podunk we still say Merry Christmas, Salute the flag and have prayer in schools. no protests. no gey rights. no PETA. takes the sherrif 30-45 minutes to respond or 15 for the volunteer fire dept. we conceal & carry. take care of our own
unless you’re in Kansas City or St Louis you can count the # of Prez BO supporters on 1 hand
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:20 am
Sorry,I’ve read that again and I’m wrong.My bad….sorry.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:22 am
RR, thats strange in the schools there they only teach reading, writing, math, english? That is a concept!
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:27 am
This is what we want.
Control of our own destiny.
Hue needs to get at least mildly creative.
Why does that guy follow up genius games with mentally challenged ones?
Misdirection, PA, move the pocket, screens, screens, screens.
Intermediate routes, Chaz Schilens, and Bruce Grad.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:28 am
out here in Podunk we still say Merry Christmas, Salute the flag and have prayer in schools. no protests. no gey rights. no PETA. takes the sherrif 30-45 minutes to respond or 15 for the volunteer fire dept. we conceal & carry. take care of our own
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Scary.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:29 am
If I were in a school in Podunk, I’d be praying for a plane/bus/train ticket.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:30 am
LA what are you scared of?
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 am
we’re 3-0 in the AFC West.
It’ll be interesting to see which teams we sweep!
we are not going 0-3 to split each series at 1-1.
I would love to say Sandy Eggo, but living so close to KC and surrounded by thier fans (some I’m friends with) it would be hilarious to knock them out of the playoffs!
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:32 am
LA what are you scared of? Learning? Discipline? Safe environment?
Nevermind…
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:32 am
I dont think our gameplan was “mentally challenged” on Sunday. They knew our OLine could not contain them and they attacked us in the backfield. I dont think you ever SAW our gameplan on Sunday.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:35 am
Other than the “carry and conceal” that was what school was like for me over here.We are going back over 30 years though.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:37 am
Just read Cable’s Q&A. Bothered me a little bit that Cable thought no matter the scheme Pitt would have beat us anyway. Its like saying why bother trying, it was over before it begun. Its the Tommy Kelly mentality.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:39 am
If Cable thought we had lost before the game started he should be sitting next to Childress on the park bench.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:40 am
At the end of the day, we didnt follow the blue print that was laid out for us by NO, NE and even Cincy. We didnt get after them in the backfield, we didnt keep them out of our backfield, and with the exception of the very first drive our QB play totally stunk. It really couldnt have gotten much worse for us.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:42 am
I dont see where you think that Cable said we lost before we got off the bus? I just didnt get that impression. Im pretty sure Cable realizes that we just got our a$$es whipped. I would be more worried if he wouldnt admit the obvious.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:44 am
I think we could have played a hell of a lot better if we’d just prepared the right way. Playing into their strenghts is stupid. Pitt is a much more talented team than Oak, just look at the superbowls & the win loss records. Last year we beat them by going unconventional. cable doesn’t see that.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:47 am
Time for dinner….
Congratulations again Rockstar!
and have a great Tuesday everyone.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:51 am
out here in Podunk we still say Merry Christmas, Salute the flag and have prayer in schools. no protests. no gey rights. no PETA. takes the sherrif 30-45 minutes to respond or 15 for the volunteer fire dept. we conceal & carry. take care of our own
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Interesting portrait of your home town.
I prefer a bit more diversity and freedom of expression.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:52 am
If I were in a school in Podunk, I’d be praying for a plane/bus/train ticket.
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LOL!
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:56 am
So are JLH, Ford, and Murphy good enough to get teams outta the 8 man fronts?
I expect to see more of this against us since Pitts did it so effectively. Team are going to take DMac and the screens outta play and force the smurfs and Murphy to beat us.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:11 am
J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:56 am
So are JLH, Ford, and Murphy good enough to get teams outta the 8 man fronts?
I expect to see more of this against us since Pitts did it so effectively. Team are going to take DMac and the screens outta play and force the smurfs and Murphy to beat us.
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That’s why Hue has to stay creative.
He was way too vanilla on Sunday.
They had two weeks to prepare for this game. Reece/Bush/DMC/TEs needed to get more involved since the QBs were getting manhandled.
Move the pocket. Get some drag routes, some crossing routes, little smoke routes, something. They were leaving the middle of the field wide open.
I’ve seen this before and the Raiders are just not willing to adjust and dink and dunk it a bit. Why is everyone acting like they are allergic to ball control?
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:11 am
129.bcz24 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:03 am
- As for the #21 conversation………since when has evaluating cornerback play been reduced to how many interceptions a CB gets.
- QBs throw at Revis all day long over 100 times a season, Nnamdi is lucky to see 25 throws his way in a season.
- The two most respected/best corners in the NFL are Nnamdi and Champ. I’ll put the attempts in those guys direction up against Revis’s all day everyday. Combine them even and they’ll still be less attempts to them put together than to Revis.
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Thats because Revis has a VERY good corner opposite him. You cant pick on Cromartie all day because he will make you pay.
Just not the case in Oakland. If we elevated the play of the rest of our secondary Nnamdi would see 100 balls too, but why throw to him just to say you did it?
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- Granted, this year Revis does have a very good corner on the other side.
- This wasn’t the case last year, Revis had an average corner on the other side and QBs still threw in excess of 100 balls his way.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:14 am
So are JLH, Ford, and Murphy good enough to get teams outta the 8 man fronts?
I expect to see more of this against us since Pitts did it so effectively. Team are going to take DMac and the screens outta play and force the smurfs and Murphy to beat us.
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I like the idea of having DHB, or charles schallens in the game however, I did notice that Ford was doubled and tripled in some cases. Hue needs to draw up some intermediate stuff to attack the blitz…the youngsters also need to know to break off patterns when they read a blitz is coming…Not just on the QB its on the WR’s, and they have been taught this for sure in college…
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 am
J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:51 am
out here in Podunk we still say Merry Christmas, Salute the flag and have prayer in schools. no protests. no gey rights. no PETA. takes the sherrif 30-45 minutes to respond or 15 for the volunteer fire dept. we conceal & carry. take care of our own
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Interesting portrait of your home town.
I prefer a bit more diversity and freedom of expression.
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I can see both sides having valid points.
But Podunk used to be a safe place, but nowadays, with Meth factories popping up in rural areas, that isn’t true anymore.
I don’t blame Podunkians for being locked/loaded and concealed. Lot of wackos out there. And you cannot rely on the Sherriff deputies that take sometimes till the next shift to get to you.
That is the scary part of Podunk.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 am
- This wasn’t the case last year, Revis had an average corner on the other side and QBs still threw in excess of 100 balls his way.
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The Jets also had one of them most dominant Run Defenses last year, and blitzed so much the QBs didnt have time to make their reads. You simply cant avoid Revis like you can with Nnamdi.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:20 am
Not trying to intentionally bash poor JC, but we will continue to see stacked box defense until he can get his motor skills up to speed and release the ball to the hot read.
Other teams would be foolish not to test JC, as he has consistently frozen when forced to make the quick read/pass.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:22 am
I just don’t know how much Hue can do with JLH and Murphy. Will JLH finish his route? Will Murphy hold on to the ball?
Ford looks like a player, but there is only so much a smurf can do.
Get well Charles!!!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:26 am
Other teams would be foolish not to test JC,
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It’s really our Oline that is getting tested. Pitts sent 5 guys and there was always someone running free at both QBs. 2 guys blocking a DT when the LB is running right past them unblocked is more of an indictment of the the Oline than the QB. If the Oline picks up the correct guys, I don’t think it will be an issue.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 am
Just not the case in Oakland. If we elevated the play of the rest of our secondary Nnamdi would see 100 balls too, but why throw to him just to say you did it?
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Stan Routt has been outstanding this year.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:30 am
So JC is pretty decent when he has time and a developed pocket. But what NFL QB isn’t?
You watch last Sunday Night Game Giants vs Eagles, you will see Vick get an all out blitz, and the slow motion replay is amazing. He finds the hot read and gets a 9 yard gain. The defense never tried that all out blitz again.
Sometimes a QB needs to elevate his play to compliment the O-line. It cant all be on the O-line.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:32 am
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Stan Routt has been outstanding this year.
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He’s come on, but not been outstanding the whole year. Still I like where he’s at right now.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:34 am
Thec
I like the idea of having DHB, or charles schallens in the game however, I did notice that Ford was doubled and tripled in some cases. Hue needs to draw up some intermediate stuff to attack the blitz…the youngsters also need to know to break off patterns when they read a blitz is coming…Not just on the QB its on the WR’s, and they have been taught this for sure in college…
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I still don’t understand why Hue is so opposed to this. I wonder if it’s some osrt of Al Davis-impose philosophy to go deep all the time, but all the great Raider teams at least had intermediate routes and great pass-catching tight ends.
I typically watch the broadcast on TV, but listen to Papa and Flores for the commentary and Flores couldn’t fathom it either.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:35 am
some sort of Al Davis-imposed philosophy*
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:38 am
It’s whatever.
Game’s over and done with. Time to move on. Miami up next. 6 game season at 5-5 in control of our destiny, already with a 3-0 division record.
We could:
A) go 4-2 or better and march right into the postseason
B) go 3-3 and be mediocre, maybe get lucky and squeak in
C) go 2-4 or worse and let that Steeler game define us as quitters
This is the crossroads. There is no more margin of error and they know it. The coaches know it and it’s time to go all out and really cut it loose.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:39 am
the youngsters also need to know to break off patterns when they read a blitz is coming…Not just on the QB its on the WR’s,
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great observation, they are also responsible. but it is as you say all leading back to the coaching. they have to know what they can and cannot do against certain defenses and matchups. if they know they are playing against a stacked deck, be willing to change. they apparently are stuck in their gameplan.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:41 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:38 am
It’s whatever.
Game’s over and done with. Time to move on. Miami up next. 6 game season at 5-5 in control of our destiny, already with a 3-0 division record.
We could:
A) go 4-2 or better and march right into the postseason
B) go 3-3 and be mediocre, maybe get lucky and squeak in
C) go 2-4 or worse and let that Steeler game define us as quitters
This is the crossroads. There is no more margin of error and they know it. The coaches know it and it’s time to go all out and really cut it loose.
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I vote A)
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:41 am
Campbell sucks, there’s no more excuses. Better QBs have succeeded woth worse O Lines.
QB, C, RG, RT will need to be addressed by either elevavating a backup, FA, or draft.
WR must be addressed. Murphy/DHB were thrown to the wolves last year and Murphy is going backwards, whereas DHB has been bumped up to ‘crappy’ from ‘God awful.’
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 am
Campbell never won me over through that 3 game win streak. Won despite him. That game against San Fran pushed me over the edge. If he’s the starter, I will root for him to do well.
Enough of Grads to see that he’s not the answer either.
Well isn’t that nice. But there are enough pieces on this team to compete for the playoffs if we are healthy going forward.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:45 am
be willing to change. they apparently are stuck in their gameplan.
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Exactly. Cable has never been good at halftime adjustments. Hue is following his lead.
SnB mentioned these guys are motivational rather than Xs and Os guys, and I agree with that for the most part.
I however do believe the O line is actually better than we think, especially in the run game and play action. There should have been a lot more misdirection in that game.
Reece was not utilized enough. If they shut McFadden down in singleback formations, go to I form. Or get him in the slot or get him on a screen, get him involved.
The ineptitude of the coaching staff is sickening.
They can motivate and encourage and bond, which is something the team sorely needed, but at the end of the day, they need people who are going to outsmart the guys on the other sidelines and they just don’t do that here.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:47 am
Busy day today, I’ll see you guys in the PM sesh.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:47 am
see ya LA
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:48 am
But there are enough pieces on this team to compete for the playoffs if we are healthy going forward.
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Exactly!
But we can’t have the Oline letting guys run in free to put us in 2nd and 18’s!
Our QBs are not good enough to overcome that.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:55 am
MIA has some significant O-line problems. Their center is a guy they signed YESTERDAY. and Jake Long has a bum shoulder and might not be ready to go.
time to roll out some aggression on defense.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:58 am
back from meeting. what a snooze fest!
how are you guys doing today?
Jhill & LA, I respect your opinions. to each his own I guess
Living in Cali I really didn’t have a clue what going from a town of 70,000 to 300 would be like. Good fit for me, not for everyone
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:01 am
300 people? OMG, that is really really small.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:02 am
I grew up in California on a farm, just outside of a small town of 2000. I thought that was small.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 am
Fins OL
LT Vernon Carey
LG Pat McQuistan
C Richie Incognito
RG John Jerry
RT Lydon Murtha
anybody scared?
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 am
Fins OL
LT Vernon Carey
LG Pat McQuistan
C Richie Incognito
RG John Jerry
RT Lydon Murtha
anybody scared?
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Yeah but they got Tyler Thigpen. That scares me.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:08 am
300 people? OMG, that is really really small.
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Jimbo,
We have a school and a gas station. probably 5 or 6 churches. 1 restaurant that people smoke like crazy in, so we don’t eat there. gives my wife a headache
not much else. nearest Wal-Marts are 20 minutes North or 45 minutes South
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 am
Why does Tyler Thigpen scare you Jimbo? You must not have watched him play last week. Terrible. The only people who should be scared of Tyler Thigpen are Dolphins fans. Stack 8 or 9 in the box and we might beat them like Denver/Seattle.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 am
8-6 Miami Heat….I think the 72-10 Bulls have nothing to worry about.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 am
Yeah but they got Tyler Thigpen. That scares me.
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That guy looked like Dan Marino compared to JaWalrus, but in reality Henne & Thigpen are about equal to Campbell & Gradkowski imo
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:11 am
I could do small.
Wifey and I were watching XMen Wolverine or something, and there was this scene where Wolverine and his girl were driving up this road with an amazing mountain backdrop. Seemed like they were the only ones there for miles. Turned and asked wifey if she would be down for something like that and we both considered it.
I just think I would want my small town to be a smaller version of where I am now, lol. I wouldn’t want to live in a town that had a bunch of people like me. The hispanic kids, white folks, islamics need to be mixed in there too, just to keep things interesting.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:11 am
anybody think DHB will get Nate Ness canned again?
promptly after Darrius made him look like Jeremy Ware in coverage, Seattle released him and Miami claimed him!
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:12 am
Dakota Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 am
8-6 Miami Heat….I think the 72-10 Bulls have nothing to worry about.
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I dont even think the 2010 Bulls have anything to worry about…
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 am
230.RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 am
Fins OL
LT Vernon Carey
LG Pat McQuistan
C Richie Incognito
RG John Jerry
RT Lydon Murtha
anybody scared?
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Not much better than what Pitt threw out there.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:15 am
Not much better than what Pitt threw out there.
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Exactly!
Marshall & Waufle better get it together …
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:15 am
We have a school and a gas station. probably 5 or 6 churches. 1 restaurant that people smoke like crazy in, so we don’t eat there. gives my wife a headache
not much else. nearest Wal-Marts are 20 minutes North or 45 minutes South
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Hold up, wait a sec, why is it that a town of 300 could have 6 churches? I don’t understand how they can’t all go to one or two if there are 300.
Your 300 people remind me of the movie 300, and the hot gates leading either to the northside or southside walmarts.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:16 am
Not much better than what Pitt threw out there.
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But Thigpen is about as good as Byron Leftwich… doesnt hold a candle to Ben Slapmyfaceloesburger…
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:16 am
probably 5 or 6 churches.
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LOL!
1 of everything else, but 5 or 6 churhces?
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:17 am
Ben Slapmyfaceloesburger…
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November 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 am
Who will have a bigger game against his former team ???
Samson Satele or Quentin Moses?
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 am
My little town of 2000 where I grew up had 8 churches. That I knew of. It’s insane how many churches per capita are in small towns.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 am
Looking at the schedules above, I can easily see SD winning 4 outta there 6 games.
We have some work to do. Miami, KC, and Denver are MUST wins!
Gotta find a way to get that Jacksonville game too!
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 am
I thought Moses was pretty good when we drafted him… never quite knew why we cut him.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 am
I think yesterday was the last straw for Dungver. I know the look I saw in their eyes. Dejected. Beaten. Had they won last night they could have carried some momentum, but that loss was the back breaker.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:26 am
Since Phil Jackson is leaving the Lakers next year, I wonder if he’ll be interested in the Oakland job?
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:29 am
No way I could do a small town.
Not enough vices in those places for me.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:32 am
I wouldn’t mine having that Donkey HC as an OC next year.
DC should be Marvin Lewis
Head Coach should be Rob Ryan.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:34 am
Not sure if the Miami Heat will do much better than last years Heat (first-round loss to the Celtics in the playoffs).
Who loses by 15 at home to the Pacers?
Lebron James has 6 offensive rebounds this season, lol. Basically standing around behind the 3 point line unless he has the ball.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:37 am
Head Coach should be Rob Ryan.
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LOL Funniest joke of the day.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:38 am
Jhill, a trio of Ryan/McDaniels/Lewis would be pretty sweet imo
former Head Coaches are sometimes just better Coordinators or even assistants … look at Weis, Crennel, Mike Nolan, Bill Callahan and Herm Edwards
doubtful all those guys and the asst coaches they’d want to bring in mesh with Al Davis and his philosophy though
Cable/Jackson/Marshall might be as good as it gets around here !?!?
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 am
BRING BACK TRESTMAN!! He can replace Cable. Hue Jax can stay OC (with Trestman providing REAL input to the gameplan) and replace Marshall. I think we are at our ceiling with him.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 am
Believing that this raider team is going to sweep two division opponents, is folly. Just as erroneous as the belief we were a super bowl contender on par with the steelers.
The offensive line and the receivers are the weakest posistions on the field, this was clear on sunday as it has been since the preseason. Our receivers have been below average, our o-line has been brutal.
Our receivers have had 4 guys with break out games, 2 receivers, ford, and DHB. Along with a tight end ( z.miller ) and a full back ( Reece) . These four guys exploded, each on a different week. Each of the 4 have failed to come close to duplicating those stand out performances. The inconsistent bunch is struggling, but they are better when healthy. So far this year our top 3 projected starters have not played a single down together. This is really bad news for team that wants to go 3 wide pump and go, and send guys down the field. Can the receiving core get healthy and put together a few more big games to build toward next year? No panic this youthful group still has time on their side.
The o-line is a completely different story. I love veldheer at tackle. B Campbell flahsed once or twice in preseason, he is a project but at where he was drafted it makes perfect since to take your time with him. Gallery has become a good guard when healthy, he works really well with veldheer. From the center down the right side our guys look like circus clowns on ice skates. Our line has been serviceable in some games run blocking, but the pass blocking is hideous. not only do teams run around our tackles spinning them like ballerinas, but they also blast right through our center and guard. Next year these 3 positions must be upgraded with out fail, and who ever the head coach is will be measured by what he does for this group.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 am
JustFB,
Podunk, U.S.A. , with it’s 5 churches for 300 people and backwoods values might strain your tolerances
but
Podunk, Australia would exhibit a pub on every corner to get its outback citizenry through the dry season as well as the wet.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:46 am
Not sure how our O-line could be worse than our QB’s.
The O-line has paved the way for a top 3 rushing attack.
Meanwhile Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski combined are only better than the Cardinals and Panthers crap of QB’s, and some 41 year old grey-haired guy.
Campbell has the 2nd lowest completion % of any QB with enough attempts to qualify.
QB is our biggest liablility, followed by WR’s, than maybe coaching, than maybe our Safeties, than our O-line.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:48 am
Cable/Jackson/Marshall might be as good as it gets around here !?!?
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I hope not!
Ryan was thrown in for my entertainment purposes, plus he has a good relationship with the owner.
I’d like to see some proven coordinators come in with a history of being successful at their position.
I’m really hoping Fisher gets fired from Tenn and we can bring him in as a HC.
Tired of Cable and Hue’s on the job training.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:48 am
Johnnie Lee Higgins had more catches than any other WR on the Raiders or Squeelers 2 days ago and YOU PEOPLE still won’t quit hating on him … hilarious!
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:50 am
Fisher would never come to Oakland. Fisher has an issue with the Tenn owner who kind of pushed VY on him….no way Fisher would tolerate an owner that pushes the entire 53 man roster and most of the coaching staff on him lol.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:51 am
Hue barely gets a passing grade in my book.
It’s seems are all our best drives and creativity, even going back to the preseason, were done in pre-scripted plays on the first drive.
After that, we get games like the Steelers, 49ers and Titans were there is no adjustments, no sign of life, just continuing with what is clearly not working.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 am
Great interview with Kobe.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aun9tfsdVHr53wnokwtueO45nYcB?slug=aw-kobebryantchat112310
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:55 am
this defense only mustered up 2 sacks and 1 forced fumble against the NFL’s worst O-Line in Pittsburgh.
I hope Marshall puts a better gameplan together against the NFL’s 2nd worst O-Line in Oakland against Miami
touchdowns aside, Jason & Bruce had 2 turnovers and Ben had none. Murphy cost us another one
Seymour lost his temper. In essence, we beat ourselves
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 am
So. Hue really is on&off. But he is miles better than Cable.
Remember Cable’s game plans from last year? Run McFadden down the middle 15 times. By halftime we were 28-0 down, had produced 6 3&outs. For the second half he would change the gameplan completely: Run Bush down the middle 15 times!
Cable is one stubborn, wife beating, obese Head Coach!
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:58 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:48 am
Johnnie Lee Higgins had more catches than any other WR on the Raiders or Squeelers 2 days ago and YOU PEOPLE still won’t quit hating on him … hilarious!
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Yeah and Slapmyfaceloesburgers first scramble produced more yards and points than all JLH’s catches combined. For the year.
And all I can say is…. UH OH. JFB seems to not like Grads anymore.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 am
Pittsburgh has the NFL’s worst O-line? nah, maybe the second worst, cable’s o line was inferior to Pitts sunday.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 am
UH OH. JFB seems to not like Grads anymore.
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I still think he is our best QB, and like what he brings to the table as far as intangibles.
But we are talking about him being better than Jamarcus Russell (out of the league) and Jason Campbell (soon to be out of the league a la Aaron Brooks) than it isn’t really saying much.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 am
Thanks for that article exla!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:04 am
I know they don’t listen to us, but I hope they switch JaJason out for Grads. It will be a morale-shot this team needs.
JaJason is no leader, and we desparately need one.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:04 am
Just for a little humor, the NFL can’t prove it was Farve’s D*CK in the pictures.
“Naked photos that reportedly have been sent from Favre’s phone to Sterger’s phone via text message may never be conclusively traced to Favre, who has denied sending the pictures. The photos are the most damaging evidence that has come to light. The problem is that the pictures evidently were copied and re-sent electronically so many times that it’s hard to know if they have been altered along the way, a league source said.”
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:04 am
Pittsburgh hasn’t had a good O-line in years.
Always at the bottom in ypc, sacks allowed, and the year they won the Super Bowl they were the worst team in the NFL converting 3rd-4th and 1’s.
They are hot garbage from time to time, but Ben (just like any elite QB) can mask the stench of a bad O-line quite easily.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:05 am
Sanjaya Lal has really worked up the WRs this year. He used all of his american idol experience to give the WRs the ins&outs of massaging Paula Abdul!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:07 am
Tim Brown has said he would do anything to help the organization… we should hire HIM to be our WR coach!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 am
brin in Tim Brown to coach & PLAY! he’d be a mayor upgrade to the bobsled team we’ve got now
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:46 am
Not sure how our O-line could be worse than our QB’s.
The O-line has paved the way for a top 3 rushing attack.
Meanwhile Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski combined are only better than the Cardinals and Panthers crap of QB’s, and some 41 year old grey-haired guy.
Campbell has the 2nd lowest completion % of any QB with enough attempts to qualify.
QB is our biggest liablility, followed by WR’s, than maybe coaching, than maybe our Safeties, than our O-line.
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Run blocking and pass blocking are not the same. We have had some decent run blocking, but we have Dmac who is clearly a top runner in the nfl. He compensates, masks and tends to skew the o-lines performance. Dmac is a great runner that often makes the first guy miss, and or runs through the first contact. he is being hit in the back filed way to often, but because he is so good he turns them into positive gains. the o-line is supposed to get him to the second level of the defense, and has only been ok doing this, and have struggled at against middle of the pack run defenses. they are horrible in pass protection this is why our qbs are running for their lives and have struggled with health.
When your o-line struggles, your qb, receivers and running backs will struggle as well. Our pass protection is one of the bottom five in the league. this is the main reason both qbs have struggled.
Actually both qbs have had to make big plays for us to win, on the run overcoming the comical o-line play. Both qbs have contributed and raised our team from bottom feeder to 500 mediocrity. I wonder what they would look like if they were able to sit in an nfl pocket and actually run the offense.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:11 am
Big Ben should not have had that success throwing the ball. Ward was hardly a factor, and only Mike Wallace as a credible receiving threat and he sliced our secondary like he was Peyton Manning.
Bad O-line, good QB, not great but good, and avg receivers shouldn’t have produced those results. Our D-Line should have manhandled that crap O-Line of theirs.
Still puzzled.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:12 am
what happened to Pro Bowler & ROY candidate Seyi Ajirotutu last night ???
LOL!
Vincent Jackson, Legedu Naanee & Antonio Gates were OUT.
SD’s fullback and 3rd string TE each had 2 catches …
Seyi? zilch
where are ROG & Thec when you need them?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:13 am
Oakland is laying three points this weekend.
They always say that home field is worth 3 points, so basically Vegas feels that these two teams are a wash.
Was trying to think of games where our QB outplayed the opponents this year?
Certainly Denver and Seattle, maybe AZ but that’s about it. Guys like VY and Alex Smith looked light years better than our’s, and their careers are on extremely shaky ground at this stage.
Along with Sanjay, guys like Hackett and Tolner (who I guess our “passing co-ordinators” are) should be under the microscope as well.
Has any Raider QB gotten better under these guys? Jamarcus got worse, Campbell was never that good in the first place but he is on his way to his worst statistical year, Bruce has regressed.
YIKES!!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:14 am
Man, Rivers looks like Dan Fouts out there. That dude is good…Its gonna be tough to beat them again. I think they are ranked #1 in both Offensive and Defensive yardaye
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 am
I wonder what they would look like if they were able to sit in an nfl pocket and actually run the offense.
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Probably like what they looked like in Tampa Bay and Washington.
Trash.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:16 am
Al Davis has yet to hire a defensive guy as a HC. Forget Ryan.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:16 am
Jamarcus Russell 2008 QB rating = 77.1
2010 Oakland Raiders QB rating = 72.1
YIKES again!!!!
Where’s Debo at, lol?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:18 am
the Steelers D produced 6 sacks, 2 INT’s and 3 forced fumbles against us.
the week before? NONE in any of those categories
Amazing that some of you hang this loss on JCamp alone!
Hue Jackson & John Marshall got outcoached, plain & simple. Tom Cable didn’t have this team fired up or hungry either. for 3 weeks there we played aggressive and angry. I think Seymour (before ejection) Kelly, Henderson, ShoNasty, Houston & Huff did well enough on D. Mike Bush & JLH are the only ones who “wanted it” on offense imo
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:19 am
I give Grads a pass for the last game. You don’t come in cold to a lopsided game in the 3rd Qtr and expect to lead a comeback in enemy soil. Just doesn’t happen.
But I am ready to throw Murph under the bus. He has really regressed. He looks as beaten as JaJason out there.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 am
the week before? NONE in any of those categories
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I would be curious if Tom Brady has ever had 6 sacks 2 INT’s and 3 forced fumbles in a 3 week span.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:04 am
Pittsburgh hasn’t had a good O-line in years.
Always at the bottom in ypc, sacks allowed, and the year they won the Super Bowl they were the worst team in the NFL converting 3rd-4th and 1’s.
They are hot garbage from time to time, but Ben (just like any elite QB) can mask the stench of a bad O-line quite easily.
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It is true the big ben is a top 10 qb in the nfl, but he also has heinz ward. ward and rothlesberger have been in the system together for a few years, they have both played in super bowls and probowls. Together they can over come the deficient line play. You cant really compare the pitt situation to our own.
we have a new offense, a new oc, new qbs and young receivers. This is apples and oranges.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 am
C’mon, what the hell did JLH do? Caught some garbage time catches when it didn’t matter. I agree he didn’t crap the bed like Murphy, but he’s not the answer either.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:23 am
who would have guessed that entering Week 12 the Jags & Chiefs would have the same # of wins as the Colts (6) ???
the Raiders are 5-5, just like the NFC West Champion Seattle Seahawks who we beat by 30!
the Bucs have the same # of wins as the Eagles, Saints, Bears & Packers (7)
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:25 am
the Bucs have the same # of wins as the Eagles, Saints, Bears & Packers (7)
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Josh Freeman is the real deal. You will see him lead the bucs to the playoffs.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:26 am
# Jimbo Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:11 am
Big Ben should not have had that success throwing the ball. Ward was hardly a factor, and only Mike Wallace as a credible receiving threat and he sliced our secondary like he was Peyton Manning.
Bad O-line, good QB, not great but good, and avg receivers shouldn’t have produced those results. Our D-Line should have manhandled that crap O-Line of theirs.
Still puzzled.
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Dont be. Our defense lost the two leaders. Not only did you lose high caliber talent and experience, but you lost depth and too many young guys played too many snaps in our secondary. Brown and Ware may both become solid pros, but they weren’t ready for that emergency work load. I cant believe the game plan was to have henderson play as many snaps as he did either. Then we lost scott, we were simply out gunned and undermanned.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 am
C’mon, what the hell did JLH do? Caught some garbage time catches when it didn’t matter.
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I thought all of those catches were in the first half?
Before the Squeelers added 14 more points in the 4th quarter (garbage time)
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:30 am
I would be curious if Tom Brady has ever had 6 sacks 2 INT’s and 3 forced fumbles in a 3 week span.
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Yep, that totally matters. Tom Brady is a potential Raiders starting QB.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:30 am
Go LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 am
I was so mad when the steelers threw that screen pass on 3rd and 2 under 2 minutes remaining in a 28-3 game. That was Slapmyfaceloesburger flicking Seymour off right there.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 am
Josh Freeman is really good, and an extremely hard-working rah-rah QB.
Him, Mark Sanchez and Matty Ice will be the face of the NFL in 3-5 years.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 am
Podunk, this is the FF rematch you’ve been waiting for and I’ve been fearing (like Campbell and a pass rush) since week 1. Payback can be a biach!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 am
it must pain Al seeing Josh Freeman. Dude looks like Jamarcus, but can really play…
Remember Al, when judging talent: looking good getting off the bus is just half the deal, the other half is actually playing football!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 am
Where did Brady go to college again?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 am
I wonder what they would look like if they were able to sit in an nfl pocket and actually run the offense.
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Probably like what they looked like in Tampa Bay and Washington.
Trash.
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Until you can pass protect your qb will struggle. Every team knows it is are biggest weakness every team attacks it week after week.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 am
284.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:16 am
Jamarcus Russell 2008 QB rating = 77.1
2010 Oakland Raiders QB rating = 72.1
YIKES again!!!!
Where’s Debo at, lol?
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JFB,
Shouldn’t be a surprise.
WRs are not getting it done, and neither is the Oline. Same things I was telling you when Russell was here.
We do NOT have a QB on the roster who can elevate everyone else a la Brady or Manning. We do NOT have coaches on the sideline that can overcome those same issues with hella chess skills.
Again, NONE of this should surprise you.
Difference in the wins was dominant defensive play.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 am
Where did Brady go to college again?
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To the school that is a 17 point underdog this week to the Buckeyes. LOL
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:35 am
The fat sow Jamarcus would look good driving the bus, not exiting it…
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:37 am
Him, Mark Sanchez and Matty Ice will be the face of the NFL in 3-5 years.
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Mark Sanchez wasn’t very good until Santonio Holmes got off his suspension.
Roddy White and Gonzales are there for Ryan, not to mention Turner.
We get our #1 and #2 WR, and upgrade the C, RG, and RT, and watch how much better our QBs look.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:37 am
Jamarcus Russell 2008 QB rating = 77.1
2010 Oakland Raiders QB rating = 72.1
Stats don’t lie. Bring back the phenom!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:38 am
Take a look at this pic and tell me this “Raider” is not just an overpaid diva:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ln0KxodpKxM/S1fKgTgJrSI/AAAAAAAAAAU/1ZhfSh_ZGXo/s1600-h/condo_web-1.jpg
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 am
Hey Exsuckeyeseasonticketholder, please go eat some sh!t…
Smart money is on Michigan. 17 points? lmao
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:40 am
I thought all of those catches were in the first half?
Before the Squeelers added 14 more points in the 4th quarter (garbage time)
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3 of the 4 were, and one in the 2nd half. Still 4/37 with a 17 yard completion as his long is a big impact?
There were some incompletions mixed in there to JLH, but that was mostly the fault of JaJason.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:40 am
Podunk, this is the FF rematch you’ve been waiting for and I’ve been fearing (like Campbell and a pass rush) since week 1.
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Exla,
Aaron Rodgers and my wonderful Packers Defense are facing the NFC’s best (8-2) Atlanta Falcons in the Georgia Dome on Sunday. needless to say I’m not all that confident
my team is a little beat up too Steve Smith (NY) Kenny Britt & Pierre Thomas OUT
Ronnie Brown & Brandon Jacobs aren’t producing either
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:41 am
Matt Ryan is something crazy like 21-1 at home in his career.
That was before Roddy White was any good, and through times when Turner was hurt, and I don’t think they have any Pro Bowl lineman.
The minute he showed up, they started winning, and it wasn’t because they upgraded their guard play.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 am
I can’t believe Manning put up 72 pts, lol.
I can’t believe ANY player could put up 72 fantasy pts.
Unbelievable!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:43 am
JFB,
Give it up mayne!
There isn’t going to be some stud QB walking through the door any time soon.
We CAN, however, upgrade our C, RG, and RT!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:44 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 am
Hey Exsuckeyeseasonticketholder, please go eat some sh!t…
Smart money is on Michigan. 17 points? lmao
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Outside of youself, who else is smarter than a pet rock north of our state line? LMFAO
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:45 am
J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 am
I can’t believe Manning put up 72 pts, lol.
I can’t believe ANY player could put up 72 fantasy pts.
Unbelievable!
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Please, it was 72.8! lol
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:46 am
Falcons remember it wasn’t too long ago that Vick was taken off to jail, that thier HC Petrino up and quit on them midseason. That team was a catastrophe. Now they are one of the powers of the NFL. SuperBowl is within thier reach in they have a long window to get it or retool and go for it next year. What a short turnaround.
Why is that the Raiders rudder takes so long to turn?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:48 am
Week 1, Manning gave me 72.65. Since then, a fantasy nightmare. Before last week, I was the 3rd highest scoring team and was in 9th place. lol
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:48 am
Why is that the Raiders rudder takes so long to turn?
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Legit coaches on the sidelines!
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:48 am
Why is that the Raiders rudder takes so long to turn?
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Al Davis isn’t Arthur Blank
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:49 am
JFB,
Give it up mayne!
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NEVER!!!!
You can take your upgraded C, RG and #2 WR play, I will be still waiting for a franchise QB.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:49 am
Do you remember the Vick was arrested and then Bill Parcells chose Miami over Atlanta making it look like Atlanta was going to be bottom dwellers for the next 5 years.
Instead a well ran front office hired the right GM Coach and staff. Then they drafted well (Matt Ryan) and then through Free Agency they got their RB.
The next year they went 11-5 surprising everyone.
The point to this post is that it took a great front office and a really good coaching staff to put together these pieces to make them successful.
We should copy their road map here in Oakland
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:49 am
Why is that the Raiders rudder takes so long to turn?
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aldavisitis
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:49 am
Week 1, Manning gave me 72.65.
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yes I know. I remember it well
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:50 am
Some of you say what a difference a Manning or Brady would make?
Well what about the difference a guy like Fisher, Billick, or Gruden would make over an on the job training guy like Cable?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:51 am
I will be still waiting for a franchise QB.
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And get more grey hairs?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:53 am
Brian Billick = HC
Marvin Lewis = DC
Hue Jackson = OC
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:54 am
Jhill,
good coaches either bring in good players or bring in guys with potential and coach them up to make sure it shows up on Sundays
What are Haluchek & Biekert doing with McClain?
What is Sanjay Lal doing with our young wides?
Who else wanted Cooper Carlisle or Langston Walker in free agency? Who else wanted to give up a draft pick for Samson Satele?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:54 am
Ryan is 18-1 in the Georgia Dome, only losing to the Saints last year.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:56 am
Give Al some credit though. He’s had some solid drafts getting some starters in the later rounds. But he sucks at drafting franchise QB’s. It’s just not his balliwick.
I wish we could have a QB like Rivers, rifle arm, snap throw from any angle to any receiver, quick reads, big tall strong. If I could have any QB it would be Rivers.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:56 am
we used to let no name Rb’s look like 2000 MVP candidates now we let no name Qb’s look like pro bowlers. Can’t let that happen against Miami. We win were in it, we lose were on life support
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:56 am
And get more grey hairs?
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Yes, and don’t forget drink more and raise the cholestrol through the roof by washing away my pains of memories of Rich Gannon with cheese from a can, mixed with green chiles and chorizo.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:57 am
Who’s more important a good QB or a good Coach? well. A good QB will win you plenty of games. A good coach will get you into the playoffs.
So: Marty Schott or Dan Marino?
tough question eit?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:57 am
2000 yard rushers
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:57 am
If Vick tests the free agency waters and there is football next year, Al will get him.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 am
What are Haluchek & Biekert doing?
What is Sanjay Lal doing?
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Who ???????
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 am
# J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:50 am
Some of you say what a difference a Manning or Brady would make?
Well what about the difference a guy like Fisher, Billick, or Gruden would make over an on the job training guy like Cable?
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Or for that matter, any coach who could come in and work with a GM on implementing HIS SYSTEM and drafting players that fit that system.
Credit to Cable, because what’s he’s essentially been doing is learning how to coach for Al Davis football on the fly. He’s finally starting to learn how to win some games here and there the Al Davis way, or at least close enough to the Al Davis way that Al won’t freak out. That in and of itself is impressive.
I’m not saying that it’s impossible to win the Al Davis way. But it’s a dangerous strategy drafting players because you think they can win every one-on-one matchup, because quite simply there aren’t a whole lot of players out there who can do that consistently. It’s more of a vague notion than a strategy, and it’s hard to quantify pre-draft.
It’s much easier for coaches who have a scheme that relies on the team playing together to serve a specific purpose. This is why the Steelers, Patriots, and Ravens are consistently successful.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 am
I’ll take a good QB over a good coach anyday.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:59 am
J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 am
I can’t believe Manning put up 72 pts, lol.
I can’t believe ANY player could put up 72 fantasy pts.
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Even more unbelievable… I had a QB with 297yds and 4 TDs, 0 INTS score me 38 points, while my bench qb with 350yds 4 TDs, 0 INTS got me 78 points. 53 yards passing equaled 40 points!!!! I was STUNNED at that.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:00 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:57 am
If Vick tests the free agency waters and there is football next year, Al will get him.
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I don’t think so. Vick has advisors that tell him that Oakland is a wasteland. In Philly he’s going to be successful because he doesn’t have enabler coaches that kiss his butt. He is going to have to earn everything there and they make him work hard. Best situation for Vick is to stay right where he is.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:00 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:57 am
If Vick tests the free agency waters and there is football next year, Al will get him.
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No chance. Vick isnt going to want to leave Philly, nor are the going to ever let him see the light of free agency. I bet he gets something close to 5 years 70 million, with about $40mil guaranteed.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:01 am
lets get something clear: in this here the 21st century the Al Davis way will get you a 5-11 NFL record.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:01 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:57 am
If Vick tests the free agency waters and there is football next year, Al will get him.
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But he won’t. The Eagles are going to pay him what he wants, and he wants to stay somewhere where he has all the weapons in the world.
If the Raiders had guys with the talent of Jackson and Maclin, maybe Vick would have never gone to the Eagles in the first place.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:03 am
Give me a good QB as well any day of the week.
I think Peyton Manning could win with Art Shell. WTF does Jim Caldwell do for the Colts? I swear he never says anything, doesn’t call plays, really he just stands there and blinks.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:03 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:01 am
lets get something clear: in this here the 21st century the Al Davis way will get you a 5-11 NFL record.
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Really? Care to place a wager that we do NOT lose every game remaining on our schedule.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:03 am
337.Jimbo Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 am
I’ll take a good QB over a good coach anyday.
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Me too.
But my point is I think it will be easier to attain a good coach that our chances of a top tier QB falling in our lap.
Also think it is easier to find upgrades to C, RG, and RT this offseason, and maybe trade for a guy like Fitzgerald than find a QB in rd 3 that will produce for us anytime soon.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:03 am
If Philly gives Vick the extension.
They’d be dumb not to.
But then again, I’ve seen dumber things happen.
Rev. Dungy told Vick to stay away from Oakland, but that was two years ago and things change.
Likely, Al will have to go to the draft, pull off some sort of blockbuster trade involving Nnamdi, or get a guy like Carson Plamer who was good, now sucks, but could be good again.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:04 am
Realistically are the Raiders close to having a team like Mike Vick has right now?
No.
We are an also ran team that is just hoping to make the playoffs or finish with a non-losing record.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:04 am
Palmer*
Either way, QB has to be addressed.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:05 am
The only thing that ever made Carson Palmer an “elite QB” is his paycheck.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:05 am
Likely, Al will have to go to the draft, pull off some sort of blockbuster trade involving Nnamdi, or get a guy like Carson Plamer who was good, now sucks, but could be good again
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Palmer has a problem with a fork stuck in his back.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:06 am
Fitz could make an average QB look pretty good. Unfortunately we have slightly below average QBs.
Our best bet of finding an above average QB right now is, unfortunately, by trading Nnamdi. And even that is a bit of a risk.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:06 am
Late round gem?
I like the upcoming QB class. Only one is NFL-ready, though. Think the rest would have to sit a while and learn from master technician Jason Campbell (puke).
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:06 am
Vick is also hamstrung by the creditors from his bankrupcy. I don’t recall what he must repay but he lost everything and more.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:06 am
I think Philly will franchise Vick next year, and Kolb only makes less than $2 million next year, so they may just keep both for one more year.
Pays Vick more in the short-term with the tag, but they don’t have to give him a ton of years, being the last time a team did that he spent his finacial security on a dog-fighting operation.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:07 am
What is Nnamdi’s trade value? Seriously, it appeared we were willing to try to give him away for Roethlisberger before the draft. With his megabuck contract, he’s toxic.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:08 am
No one will trade for a 30yr old CB with a $16 million dollar paycheck.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:08 am
If you get Carson Palmer, do you have to take his brother as part of the deal?
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 am
All right, got my kicks in for a minute, back to the phone booth I go.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 am
We have to hire that guy up in Buffalo and find out what he did to get Fitzgerald to be the 400+ yard passer that he is.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:06 am
Vick is also hamstrung by the creditors from his bankrupcy. I don’t recall what he must repay but he lost everything and more.
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The terms of his settlement have him at about $9million in debt right now. I guarantee the signing bonus on his next contract puts him back to the green.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:11 am
Jimbo Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 am
We have to hire that guy up in Buffalo and find out what he did to get Fitzgerald to be the 400+ yard passer that he is.
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Very good receivers, and they are actually pass protecting with some moderate success. I would bet money that the score this week when they play Pitt will be quite similar to ours though.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:12 am
Two strategies for finding a QB in the offseason:
One, find a guy in the third round or later. He’ll be developmental, but could potentially help by late next season (a la Colt McCoy). But for this to pan out, the 2nd rounder needs to be C/G, and the RT and WR spots need to be upgraded as well.
Two, trade Nnamdi for either a draft pick high enough to take Ryan Mallett, Andrew Luck, etc., or for a guy already in the league like Kevin Kolb (getting a second round draft pick along with him). In which case you’d have to draft a CB in the 2nd or 3rd round. In this case, o-line and WR still need an upgrade.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:12 am
Rate Comp Att % Yds Yd/PG avg. TD INT
82.1 240 394 60.9 2625 262.5 6.7 18 13
75.8 104 190 54.7 1322 165.3 7.0 7 6
I know stats aren’t everything and Palmer has thrown away at least one game, but tell me this isn’t an upgrade over what we have now.
I wish we could get The Guy, but how? Campbell was obviously a stop gap after not being able to get Vick, Kolb, Ben, or McNabb.
I think we could at least get a better stop gap.
Or have coaches that play to the strengths of the team and minimize weaknesses.
I think this is a winning team that should have beat the Steelers.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 am
It’s nice to see Lee Evans finally having some personal success in Buffalo. That guy is one of the hardest working guys in the league, and has played the good soldier on many a terrible Buffalo team.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:14 am
Very good receivers, and they are actually pass protecting with some moderate success. I would bet money that the score this week when they play Pitt will be quite similar to ours though.
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Lee Evans, Stevie Johnson?
I don’t remember those guys being “very good”. Evans had a good rookie year but has fallen off. Also, their RB is doing well. So its the line play as well.
I think that OC will be looked at for HC jobs.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:14 am
I think as a stopgap guy, Campbell and Grads are about as good as it’s going to get for Oakland. McNabb might have been a better choice, but even he’s not seeing a whole lot of success in Washington.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am
I haven’t seen enough from Ware or McFadden to entertain Nnamdi trade talks.
Nnamdi and Routt are good enough man corners that they allow us to blitz both out S at one time.
Big Ben did had a field day throwing against Johnson, Ware, and Branch this weekend.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:18 am
First and foremost,
Congratulations RaiderRockstar on your new child!
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 am
You see the big impact a good QB has on a team.
Couple years back Kurt Warner got the most out his elite WR’s and they went to the SB.
This year, Anquon saw the writing on the wall and got out of dodge. Bet Fitzgerald wishes he could leave too.
Can’t overstate the difference of a good or Franchise QB. The difference from competing and winning.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:21 am
We need to address C and WR as a priority in FA. Which ever one of those positions we don’t get needs to be our 2nd rd pick.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:23 am
Now, for the Miami game,
Simple Raiders run the football and stop the run, they win.
Miami is a lot like us, statistical wise in terms of yards, sacks, turnovers.
We average about a touchdown more than the Dolphins, they do have a Brandon Marshall though, but we have a better secondary, especially with Nnamdi,
we both run a two-headed monster backfield,
both kickers lead the league in FGs janikowski and Carpenter
whaddayaknow, it will come down to the offensive and defensive lines again, go figure
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:29 am
As far as Philly’s Vick or Kolb,
The Eagles will not hesitate to pull the trigger on a trade for either one, if they like the offer, they know they have a solid #1 starter in both.
This years draft will have a lot of good QBs: Luck, Locker, Newton, Stanzi, Moore and others, at least one will be available for the Raiders in the 2nd or 3rd round.
I’m hoping there will be an impact offensive lineman when we have our first draft pick, but this is all for next year.
Raiders are in control this year for the AFC West Crown.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:29 am
Raiders could possibly even clinch division before final week, but we would need to upset Jax or Indy to do it.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 am
# J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:21 am
We need to address C and WR as a priority in FA. Which ever one of those positions we don’t get needs to be our 2nd rd pick.
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we should taken a look at Michael Clayton or Kevin Curtis..
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:38 am
Congratulations RaiderRockstar on your new child!
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thanks RaiderRetribution!
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:39 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 am
# J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:21 am
We need to address C and WR as a priority in FA. Which ever one of those positions we don’t get needs to be our 2nd rd pick.
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we should taken a look at Michael Clayton or Kevin Curtis..
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Curtis is battling cancer and Clayton was just signed today by the NY Giants.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:39 am
Raiders are in control this year for the AFC West Crown.
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They do control their own destiny and are good enough to win the West. Momentum is a crazy thing. Couple years ago, they were talking about Coughlin losing his job until they got on that hot streak and one the SB.
Problem is, they were great on the road, whereas we’re 1-4 (4-1 at home).
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:40 am
won the SB*
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:41 am
WR in 2nd round. There are some good WRs coming out, not good enough to be 1st rounders but a good choice in the 2nd
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:44 am
I haven’t seen enough from Ware or McFadden to entertain Nnamdi trade talks.
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me neither, but CJ37 isn’t as bad as you think he is!
I’ve seen quite a few negative McClain comments since Week 1 that didn’t come from yours truly. Is it a coaching issue? chalk it up to being a rookie?
ShoNasty, Kelly, Seymour, Houston, Wimbley & Groves are doing their part to stuff the run. I’ve even seen Bryant, Scott, Howard & Brown make a few plays. We knew my man John Henderson would do his job (when healthy)
I’m not going to blame his supporting cast. It’s light years better than anything Kirk Morrison had!
thoughts ???
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:45 am
thoughts ???
^^^^^^^^^^
Cap’n Kirk apologist?
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:46 am
Funny to read these sissies on PFT complaining about only 25k fine and no suspension for Seymour.
They’re obviously under age 30.
What happened to toughness in this sport?
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:47 am
the Raiders should trade Nnamdi Asomugha for Kevin Kolb and the Eagles 1st rounder.
Kolb & JCamp will battle for the starter gig and Kolb will probably win, but with this shaky O-Line you need at least 2 QB’s. Gradkowski wants to start and he’ll be an unrestricted free agent. Boller or Frye are good enough to compete for the 3rd stringer job
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:47 am
McClain has been asked to play a lot of pass coverage. He’s not out there shooting gaps really. Pressure’s coming from the D Line and maybe OLB for the most part.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:49 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:47 am
the Raiders should trade Nnamdi Asomugha for Kevin Kolb and the Eagles 1st rounder.
Kolb & JCamp will battle for the starter gig and Kolb will probably win, but with this shaky O-Line you need at least 2 QB’s. Gradkowski wants to start and he’ll be an unrestricted free agent. Boller or Frye are good enough to compete for the 3rd stringer job
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I seriously doubt Nnamdi is worth more than a 2nd rounder unless the NFL bigwigs negotiate a new salary cap that makes him less toxic. He may be only worth a 3rd. Not that he is actually worth so little, but his price tag will drive off a bidding war.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:50 am
McClain has been asked to play a lot of pass coverage. He’s not out there shooting gaps really. Pressure’s coming from the D Line and maybe OLB for the most part.
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LA,
so basically ROMAC = Kirk Morrison 2.0 only not as good in coverage ???
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:50 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:46 am
Funny to read these sissies on PFT complaining about only 25k fine and no suspension for Seymour.
They’re obviously under age 30.
What happened to toughness in this sport?
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I wish I knew? I believe there are too many divas and ho-cakes in the league and their all afraid.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:51 am
Nnamdis value is inflated solely because his surrounding cast pretty much blows most of the time. Nnamdi has been tested many a time, and he’s been beat many a time.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:51 am
For the most part, Ro Mac has improved in getting personnel lined up and Qbing the D. He’s got a ways to go, and it’s true he has more talent to work with, but for a rookie, I am encouraged to see if he can grow into his role.
It’s like when you buy a puppy with big feet and you can see he’s gonna be end up being a big dog.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:52 am
If Nnamdi is going to be traded, it shouldn’t be for anything less than a starting-caliber WR or QB and either a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Anything less than that is simply not worthwhile for the Raiders.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:53 am
I seriously doubt Nnamdi is worth more than a 2nd rounder
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the Eagles will be competing for a Super Bowl next year. You don’t think they’d want the top shutdown corner in the league? They will make the playoffs this year so the 1st rounder wont be Top 20 and they have extra picks from the Donovan McNabb trade to move back up and grab the player they want. They can always rework Nnamdi’s deal after the fact, like Randy Moss did for New England after we shipped him out for a 4th rounder
win/win for both teams imo
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:54 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:47 am
the Raiders should trade Nnamdi Asomugha for Kevin Kolb and the Eagles 1st rounder.
Kolb & JCamp will battle for the starter gig and Kolb will probably win, but with this shaky O-Line you need at least 2 QB’s. Gradkowski wants to start and he’ll be an unrestricted free agent. Boller or Frye are good enough to compete for the 3rd stringer job
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Did you see what happened to Kolb with that O-Line in Philly. He may never be the same again, and having him behind this line would surley get him involuntarily manslaughtered. I say get after a mobile qb until we fix the line to pass protect.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:54 am
I’d take Kolb and a 2nd rounder for Nnamdi, but only if the offensive line and WRs are also upgraded.
Two second rounders could net the Raiders a CB to replace Nnamdi and a WR or C.
I still think Michael Floyd will slip to the second round.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:55 am
Fitzgerald for Nnamdi, straight-up?
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:55 am
People are overvaluing a 30 year old CB making $16M/year. Market value is what Al thinks is value since he says his franchise tag for Seymour. But that is the only value. He is essentially tagging both Seymour and Nnamdi. Other GM’s wouldn’t do this.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:58 am
I’m still not entirely sold on Kolb, but he’s an upgrade over what the Raiders have now. I would still rather see a QB come in through the draft.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Whoever we draft as our next franchise QB I want them to be a gym rat, with a wonderlick of 35 or better, and we better take a good look at his family renunion pics….if we see a lot of fatties in the pics, a major red flag.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Trade Nnamdi and a 2012 2nd round pick for Fitzgerald and a 2011 third rounder, take a QB (Locker, Ponder, etc.?), CB, and C in the draft.
If only I was a GM…
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:02 pm
RRS,
See:
Jimbo Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:51 am
For the most part, Ro Mac has improved in getting personnel lined up and Qbing the D. He’s got a ways to go, and it’s true he has more talent to work with, but for a rookie, I am encouraged to see if he can grow into his role.
It’s like when you buy a puppy with big feet and you can see he’s gonna be end up being a big dog.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:07 pm
LA,
you’re going to defer to Jimbo for your take on McClain?
thats weak bro. Besides, I don’t think he’s your POA
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:15 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:07 pm
LA,
you’re going to defer to Jimbo for your take on McClain?
thats weak bro. Besides, I don’t think he’s your POA
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He wrote basically what I was going to say, plus I was eating a Snickers, forcing a poor typist to type with one hand.
Also I like the bit about the puppy.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:17 pm
With the notable exception of the Texan game, I think McClain has these guys lined up better with fewer mistakes.
After dumping the cover two shells, the secondary got on board as well.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Jimbo Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Whoever we draft as our next franchise QB I want them to be a gym rat, with a wonderlick of 35 or better, and we better take a good look at his family renunion pics….if we see a lot of fatties in the pics, a major red flag.
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LOL.
There will be several really solid college QBs available in later rounds in 2011. Just not sure if they will pan out to be good NFL QBs.
Only Luck is NFL-ready, IMO.
I do like Mallet if he can stay consistent and learn to read the field better, but I want a cerebral QB right outta the gate personally.
Since drafting JaMarshmallow Truffle, we missed out on Matty Ice and Sam Bradford. Obviously, they were drafted a bit ahead of us, but just his presence on the team made a trade up unlikely.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Good Afternoon Nation!
Congrats Rockstar! You must be a proud papa!
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Luck would be ideal. Smart, accurate, mobile, great arm…
I would settle for Locker, Ponder, or Kaepernick, but I think a C, RG, RT, and WR need to come aboard first. If not through the draft than in free agency.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Congrats Rockstar! You must be a proud papa!
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I am indeed!
Thanks Hwnrdr
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Luck will be long gone, IMO.
if the season ended today…
Top 10 of draft will be
Arizona Cardinals need a QB
Cleveland Browns have Colt, will travel
Dallas Cowboys have a QB
Denver Broncos have a QB
Minnesota Vikings need a QB
San Francisco 49ers need a QB
Buffalo Bills looks like they found one
Cincinnati Bengals might need one
Detroit Lions have a QB
Carolina Panthers drafted one, but wouldn’t put it past them to get another
The good news is, several of these teams may jettison decent QBs that we could get like a Troy Smith or Carson Palmer.
We’d have to get a guy in the 3rd, as O Line should be 2nd rounder.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:40 pm
yeah trade nmandi so we can see the secondary lit up again….
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Add Tarvaris Jackson to the list as well.
Again, none of those guys are like, ‘wow he’s great,’ but then again none of those guys are like ‘wow he’s worse than Jason Campbell.’
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:41 pm
I probably won’t be around in the early mornings until December 6th because I am on vacation…and we all know that I am not getting up at 4am just to post…lol
But…I surely hoping that we bounce back against the fins…we have to!
And Rockstar…no problem…enjoy it while you can!
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
considering Luck plays in the niners backyard, they likely will jump on him, if he’s still available
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Carolina Panthers are not only going to get Luck next year, but they are also going to get Harbaugh. Write it down, mail it to a friend, bank on it.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Can’t imagine niners jettison Troy Smith.
Alex maybe, but not Troy
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Buffalo has found a stop gap, but not a guy to lead them back to the promise land. Remember they are 2-8, Fitz is still only 2-6 as a starter this year, and wasnt a whole lot better last year.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:45 pm
McClain needs time to grow into the position. Was stupid to even assume he could lead a defense as a rookie
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:47 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:47 am
the Raiders should trade Nnamdi Asomugha for Kevin Kolb and the Eagles 1st rounder.
Kolb & JCamp will battle for the starter gig and Kolb will probably win, but with this shaky O-Line you need at least 2 QB’s. Gradkowski wants to start and he’ll be an unrestricted free agent. Boller or Frye are good enough to compete for the 3rd stringer job
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So let me get this straight; you would trade an all pro cb and team leader for a guy who you just admited may not even be able to beat out Campbell?
I am glad you aren’t the GM…
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Norco Bob was just at the gym in Modesto with Herm Edwards!……Herm said we got a helluva team but no QB….said we will beat Miami for sure this week…he knows Tyler Thigpen……..SF will push hard to get Jim Harbaugh as Head coach
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Kevin Kolb would absolutely beat out Campbell. Still wouldnt trade Nnamdi for him.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:50 pm
How long does Al leave JC in until he makes the call?
As long as he left Collins in?
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:52 pm
JC is your starting QB for rest of the season unless he gets hurt…..take that to the bank
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Damn, just missed 420.
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:56 pm
# bcz24 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Carolina Panthers are not only going to get Luck next year, but they are also going to get Harbaugh. Write it down, mail it to a friend, bank on it.
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Harbaugh will be heavily pursued by SF….Singletary is getting axed
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:57 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Damn, just missed 420.
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LOL but I never do
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:59 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:46 am
Funny to read these sissies on PFT complaining about only 25k fine and no suspension for Seymour.
They’re obviously under age 30.
What happened to toughness in this sport?
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What happened to toughness for the under 30 male crowd? Now they wear nail polish, take baths, and cry to Jerry when I lambaste them on his blog.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Singletary is getting axed
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good! we need a new DC
Marsh was completely lost against Pittsburgh, despite knowledge of the fact they have the league’s worst O-Line and we’re getting it done versus the run
Ben should have hit the grass every other snap and had blood on his jersey by halftime, leaving the game later with a concussion
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:02 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:59 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:46 am
Funny to read these sissies on PFT complaining about only 25k fine and no suspension for Seymour.
They’re obviously under age 30.
What happened to toughness in this sport?
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What happened to toughness for the under 30 male crowd? Now they wear nail polish, take baths, and cry to Jerry when I lambaste them on his blog.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…I love what Seymour did! He is a warrior and trust me when we play Pitt again in January the team will remember that and take all hell out on the Squealers
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Johnnie Lee Higgins > Seyi Ajibooboo
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:04 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Singletary is getting axed
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good! we need a new DC
Marsh was completely lost against Pittsburgh, despite knowledge of the fact they have the league’s worst O-Line and we’re getting it done versus the run
Ben should have hit the grass every other snap and had blood on his jersey by halftime, leaving the game later with a concussion
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Pitt played like their life depended on it after the 1st Qtr ended……..When CJ37 gave up that 27 yard pass we were in big doo doo…..everyone was talking so bad on Routt in the summer, what do they gotta say now? Routt has outplayed CJ37 by a wide margin. CJ gets beat like a drum or a hooker on the Vegas strip
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Beat Miami and we still have a pulse….lose to Miami and we might as well start watching the NBA season closer.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:05 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Johnnie Lee Higgins > Seyi Ajibooboo
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LOL you wont get off of Seyi hahahahaha too funny. Seyi and JLH will both be in the NFL for years to come
It is sad how people hate on JLH on this site. He is better than DHB and has more heart and awareness than Murphy….Ford and JLH the two little guys got more heart than 2 fawkers who are 6′2 200 something lbs….damn shame
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:06 pm
# Dakota Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Beat Miami and we still have a pulse….lose to Miami and we might as well start watching the NBA season closer.
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The NBA is worthless until mid february….you mean we might as well start watching the NCAA andthe soonto be Big 12 champs Mizzou Tigers
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
At least Herm gives us props that we got a good team….he as many onthis site….well a few say we dont have a QB….OUCH!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…I love what Seymour did! He is a warrior
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the only guy on the field that gave a crap about the Burger getting punched was Trai Essex. Wasn’t he the guy who led that drunk chick into the bathroom for an “encounter” with Little Ben ???
Tomlin wanted a flag or ejection. the personal trainer checked his noggin. none of his teammates were angry or fired up. Hines Ward probably sent Dick Seymour a “LOL” text right after the game
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Brien,
You still watch NCAA b-ball? I thought only the families of the players still watch that garbage product? Mercenary high schoolers playing one on one puts me to sleep.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Anyway yall I’m bout to roll out…got some things to do before the Mizzou Tigers, led by Michael Dixon, play in Cancun vs Wyoming…on CBS college channel….take care….JUST WIN………BAUCE!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:11 pm
# Dakota Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Brien,
You still watch NCAA b-ball? I thought only the families of the players still watch that garbage product? Mercenary high schoolers playing one on one puts me to sleep.
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You mullet wearing buffoon i have been saying since last year my cousin plays point guard for Mizzou….and by far the college game is much better to watch than the NBA thru the entirety of the season….NBA is pure garbage until the last 2 months of reg season and then playoffs….The guys are not giving 100 pct and its obvious. The coaches dont have control like they do in college….College ball is more pure….FACT, but cousin will be in NBA draft either 2011 or 2012….your Lakers will need a PG….gimme a call then
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
The NBA is full of retards that are self absorbed wanna be thugs.
The whole “Hip Hop” mentality (go to jail get street credit) belongs in the NBA not the NFL.
The one thing I hate about the NFL is the celebrating. The TE on the Redskins was celebrating last week when he made a touchdown when they were behind by 35 points.
This would have never have happened in the 60’s 70’s or 80’s.
Get the wanna be thugs OUT!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:13 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…I love what Seymour did! He is a warrior
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the only guy on the field that gave a crap about the Burger getting punched was Trai Essex. Wasn’t he the guy who led that drunk chick into the bathroom for an “encounter” with Little Ben ???
Tomlin wanted a flag or ejection. the personal trainer checked his noggin. none of his teammates were angry or fired up. Hines Ward probably sent Dick Seymour a “LOL” text right after the game
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Man Ben’s teammates didnt rush to his aid…they suppose to go kill Richard, but that let’s me know they are some pxssies…I caint wait to play them again. They dont have their leader’s back lol….anyways gone now…BAUCE!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:14 pm
436.Bauce 2 Dope Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:11 pm
# Dakota Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Brien,
You still watch NCAA b-ball? I thought only the families of the players still watch that garbage product? Mercenary high schoolers playing one on one puts me to sleep.
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You mullet wearing buffoon i have been saying since last year my cousin plays point guard for Mizzou….and by far the college game is much better to watch than the NBA thru the entirety of the season….NBA is pure garbage until the last 2 months of reg season and then playoffs….The guys are not giving 100 pct and its obvious. The coaches dont have control like they do in college….College ball is more pure….FACT, but cousin will be in NBA draft either 2011 or 2012….your Lakers will need a PG….gimme a call then
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Oh, you are family….that explains it. Well, enjoy! I hope your cuz kicks some Wyoming azz.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:15 pm
# Silver-and-black666 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
The NBA is full of retards that are self absorbed wanna be thugs.
The whole “Hip Hop” mentality (go to jail get street credit) belongs in the NBA not the NFL.
The one thing I hate about the NFL is the celebrating. The TE on the Redskins was celebrating last week when he made a touchdown when they were behind by 35 points.
This would have never have happened in the 60’s 70’s or 80’s.
Get the wanna be thugs OUT!!
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Scholarship……celebration is cool…its hard to get a TD……wannabe thugs? No not all of them only some of them…my cousin will play in NBA and nothing about him is thug, he a good kid and never got into trouble like me lol
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:15 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
McClain has been asked to play a lot of pass coverage. He’s not out there shooting gaps really. Pressure’s coming from the D Line and maybe OLB for the most part ***************************************
Are you kidding me?
He is making a ton of money!!!!!
Of course he is expected to stop the run and play a lot of pass coverage.
He was the 8th pick in the draft WTF!!!
He has gotten fatter and slower since week 1 He doesnt finish plays he doesnt wrap up.
Raiders need to get rid of Haluchek he obviously can’t coach
Q Groves still looks lost out there too
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:17 pm
437.Silver-and-black666 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
The NBA is full of retards that are self absorbed wanna be thugs.
The whole “Hip Hop” mentality (go to jail get street credit) belongs in the NBA not the NFL.
The one thing I hate about the NFL is the celebrating. The TE on the Redskins was celebrating last week when he made a touchdown when they were behind by 35 points.
This would have never have happened in the 60’s 70’s or 80’s.
Get the wanna be thugs OUT!!
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Where are all the Hockey criminals?
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Well, maybe if the niners axe Singletary…he was a good lb coach for them…
# BigLefty Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:15 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
McClain has been asked to play a lot of pass coverage. He’s not out there shooting gaps really. Pressure’s coming from the D Line and maybe OLB for the most part ***************************************
Are you kidding me?
He is making a ton of money!!!!!
Of course he is expected to stop the run and play a lot of pass coverage.
He was the 8th pick in the draft WTF!!!
He has gotten fatter and slower since week 1 He doesnt finish plays he doesnt wrap up.
Raiders need to get rid of Haluchek he obviously can’t coach
Q Groves still looks lost out there too
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Where are all the Hockey criminals?
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LOL @ Dakota!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:25 pm
LMAO at Dakota
Look at the Rap sheet for the NBA and then the NHL and tell me!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:29 pm
nascar, bowling, tennis & golf criminals are the worst!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Lakota,
did you feel threatened taking your wife to that figure skating event?
dangerous crowd there too!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:35 pm
What about the big steroids controversy in Curling, now those guys are serious Criminals!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Dakota Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Where are all the Hockey criminals?
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Present!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
447.RaiderRockstar Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Lakota,
did you feel threatened taking your wife to that figure skating event?
dangerous crowd there too!
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Since we were in the second row I had us were hazmat suits….skaters+blades can = HIV exposure.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:38 pm
wear…not were…jezuz!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:38 pm
# BigLefty Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:15 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
McClain has been asked to play a lot of pass coverage. He’s not out there shooting gaps really. Pressure’s coming from the D Line and maybe OLB for the most part ***************************************
Are you kidding me?
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Were talking about Morrisson v. McClain.
I feel McClain is obviously not what we were hoping for but that he’s getting the defense set up better and is not being asked to be a beast in the run game.
I expect he will be eventually.
But as an underachieveing rookie, I still take him over Capt Kirk Armtackle.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:40 pm
5-5, 3-0
In control of our own destiny.
The Pittsburgh loss will just make this more dramatic.
Mixing up the last batch of Kool Aid.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:41 pm
We only need to win three more games.
KC
DEN
SD
If we can do that we will win the division.
Stay focused!!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:43 pm
hopefully the loss to Pittsburgh has the same effect the loss to SF did … 3 game win streak coming up!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Lol…it took Cable how many seasons coaching in college and the NFL to get his first three game win streak, and now Rockstar is calling for another one already?
Getting greedy there Rock!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:48 pm
gumby > J.L. Higgins
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:48 pm
If we win 4 of the next 5 games, our only loss would be to Indy
then we’d face KC probably both being 9-6 in Week 17
KC will win 3 of their next 5:
at Seattle 5-5
Denver 3-7
at San Diego 5-5
at St. Louis 4-6
Tennessee 5-5
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
gumby > J.L. Higgins
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LOL!
Gumby > No Mas Diamante, too.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but I do find it oddly strange that out of our division we have the hardest remaining schedule. Coincidence? I think not..
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Pokey > RaiderRockStar
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Pokey > RaiderRockStar
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duh!
Pokey was a clay humanoid figure who was the subject of a 233-episode series of American television which spanned over a 35-year period. He was animated using stop motion clay animation
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:57 pm
8-8….if we’re lucky!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:57 pm
What is a humanoid?
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Pokey was a talking pony voiced by Art Clokey and Dallas McKennon (at different times)
trade Nick Miller for Pokey!
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Pokey was a pony
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Nick Miller is worthless, even Pokey had some value during his day.
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I loved that show. dating myself? lol
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Dakota – What was up with your boy DMac on Sunday?
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:00 pm
A tribute album, Gumby, was released in 1989 by Buena Vista records.
later remixed by Busta Rhymes in 2006
If you got a heart, then Gumby’s a part of you!
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Hemorrhoids (US English) or haemorrhoids (Commonwealth English), are normal vascular structures in the anal canal which help with stool control.[1][2] They become pathological or known as piles[3] when swollen or inflamed. In their physiological state they act as cushions composed of arterio-venous channels and connective tissue that aid the passage of stool. The symptoms of pathological hemorrhoids depend on the type present. Internal hemorrhoids usually present with painless rectal bleeding while external hemorrhoids present with pain in the area of the anus.
Recommended treatment consists of increasing fiber intake, oral fluids to maintain hydration, NSAID analgesics, sitz baths, and rest. Surgery is reserved for those who fail to improve following these measures.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Just win the Division!!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Only smurf worth anything is Ford.
Nick Miller and JLH = nothing special.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:03 pm
469.St. Jimmy Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Dakota – What was up with your boy DMac on Sunday?
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8 men in the box and the best run D in the NFL and no threat by the QB.
McFadden has proven himself, now the o-line and the QB need to do their part against the good teams.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:04 pm
DMAC, Gumby & Pokey = Flipmode squad
BAUCE!
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:04 pm
We should hyave blitzed the hell out of Pittsburgh. And then we should have blitzed some more.
Remember when we beat Philly and Mcnabb last year and they said they weren’t expecting the Raiders to blitz that much?
Pitt fielded a backup, patchwork, o-line. That should have been our cue to attack Ben Rapistberger like sharks that smell blood in the water.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:06 pm
K Morrison made the tackle it just happened to be 7 yards down field
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Blitz Rapemoreburger all you want, defenders generally bounce right off his fat azz…his fat must be stronger that Russell’s. A defender laid a finger on Russell and he crumbled.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:08 pm
# Dakota Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:03 pm
8 men in the box and the best run D in the NFL and no threat by the QB.
McFadden has proven himself, now the o-line and the QB need to do their part against the good teams.
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Agreed. This was the o-line and Hue Jackson’s fault. That whole, “Can’t run on Pittsburgh” deal is bull crap!
You see that Bush had a 24 yard run on that Pitt defense. Hue Jackson ran no misdirection, or creative runs for DMAC on the outside. Everything was basically straight up the middle. Bland and vanilla. And the o-line was opening NO holes for DMAC to run through.
Pittsburgh was running reverses, misdirections, the whole 9 yards.
We got out coached on both sides of the ball, bottom line.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:14 pm
474.Dakota Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:03 pm
469.St. Jimmy Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Dakota – What was up with your boy DMac on Sunday?
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8 men in the box and the best run D in the NFL and no threat by the QB.
McFadden has proven himself, now the o-line and the QB need to do their part against the good teams.
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Agreed. Jason Campbell sucks, and you can take that to the bank baby.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:14 pm
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November 23rd, 2010 at 2:13 pm
I think Al wanted us to get to Ben with 4 man pressure. It was a marquee matchup and Al usually has his gameplan in place for those.
OAKLAND (31-29)
Miami 5-5… we can get them at home, but not a given. For them, this would be a perfect time for their run game to come alive
at San Diego 5-5… the real test. We beat them at home with some last second heroics. Now we’re in their barn and they’re playing well
at Jacksonville 6-4… East Coast game will be very tough against a solid Jax team.
Denver 3-7….. not a certainty at all.
Indianapolis 6-4… man, this one will be tough.
Kansas City 6-4… the season will be on the line here, but we’ve played well at Arrowhead as of late.
Man, we could go 1-5. It will be tough for us to do better than 3-3. 4-2 or better is unlikely but possible.
The focus has been on division games thus far. If we go 6-0 in the division but 8-8 overall, and KC or SD has a better overall record (or both do, which will be fooked up), our only chance is winning the wild card.
Best bet is we go into KC with an identical 8-7 record and winner goes to playoffs.
We HAVE to beat either SD or Indy.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Only smurf worth anything is Ford.
was happy Ford was catching the balls that came his way. I don’t think Bruce is better than Campbell at this point, but unfortunately I beleive our WR’s need his leadership style. He’s gonna make some mistakes but he’s gonna be vocal and keep them upbeat. At home against a beatable Miami team would be a good time to insert Grads back as starter
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:18 pm
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November 23rd, 2010 at 2:13 pm
I think Al wanted us to get to Ben with 4 man pressure. It was a marquee matchup and Al usually has his gameplan in place for those.
OAKLAND (31-29)
Miami 5-5… we can get them at home, but not a given. For them, this would be a perfect time for their run game to come alive
at San Diego 5-5… the real test. We beat them at home with some last second heroics. Now we’re in their barn and they’re playing well
at Jacksonville 6-4… East Coast game will be very tough against a solid Jax team.
Denver 3-7….. not a certainty at all.
Indianapolis 6-4… man, this one will be tough.
Kansas City 6-4… the season will be on the line here, but we’ve played well at Arrowhead as of late.
Man, we could go 1-5. It will be tough for us to do better than 3-3. 4-2 or better is unlikely but possible.
The focus has been on division games thus far. If we go 6-0 in the division but 8-8 overall, and KC or SD has a better overall record (or both do, which will be real unfortunate), our only chance is winning the wild card.
Best bet is we go into KC with an identical 8-7 record and winner goes to playoffs.
We HAVE to beat either SD or Indy.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:18 pm
“Nnamdi dodges QB questions”,
seems Nnamdi dodged this entire website. Nice post Jer?
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November 23rd, 2010 at 2:18 pm
It’s painfully clear that we need a QB. Obviously this won’t happen until next year. Looking at the options there isn’t much out there that is extremelly intriguing….. we might be fauked for a while with crappy QB play…
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:19 pm
yeah, but for some reason, Cable’s rolling with ol Deer in The Headlights.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:19 pm
but, we are used to it…
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:20 pm
lol post 487… Not sure who has the dumber expression, Campbell or JaMarcus..
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:20 pm
We HAVE to beat either SD or Indy.
We should beat Miami and Denver.
Jags and Chiefs are tossups.
Indy and San Diego we should lose.
We could win the tossup games and go 9 and 7, that might be enough
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:22 pm
490.inonewordraider Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:20 pm
We HAVE to beat either SD or Indy.
We should beat Miami and Denver.
Jags and Chiefs are tossups.
Indy and San Diego we should lose.
We could win the tossup games and go 9 and 7, that might be enough
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Huh?
I am confused….
“We HAVE to beat either SD or Indy”.
then you say:
“Indy and San Diego we should lose”.
So are you saying we HAVE to win either of those two games but we wont? Ok.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Herm Edwards just told Norco…we need a QB!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:25 pm
To me, just making the playoffs won’t be enough. We have to beat somebody along the way. Obviously, winning a playoff game would be huse, but I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself.
Don’t want to be an average team that beat other average teams.
I want either Indy and/or SD (know we beat them before, but to beat them in December would be a whole other story).
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
492.The Real Ray Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Herm Edwards just told Norco…we need a QB!!
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That wasn’t Herm, it was Jesus De Christo….
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
huge*
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:27 pm
thats what she said… to me
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I have said from the beginning of the season….Our season will go the way that right side of our O-line goes.
They had a couple of good showings and we got lulled to sleep.
That right side, and I’m talking about Satele, Carlisle(especially him), and Walker are NOT starting material in this league.
They can not get it done against the Premier, attacking, defenses in this league. They can’t pass protect consistently in order for us to be a consistent passing threat to get the ball to our speedy receivers.
You can’t enter the Daytona 500 and expect to win driving a 1990 Mazda protege.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:32 pm
“JC is your starting QB for rest of the season unless he gets hurt…..take that to the bank”
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So what ur saying is al sacrifices the team to try to save face?
JC sucks. team won in spite of him. He had a qb rating of 7 after half time couple games ago. team won, and everone cheered JC.
the team knows Grad is better. Cable has stated it.Al is just a stubborn fool
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:33 pm
St. Jimmy Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:27 pm
thats what she said… to me
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the rollin of the eyes, while snickering, should have been a big clue
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm
SammyTheBull Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:32 pm
So what ur saying is al sacrifices the team to try to save face?
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Of course he does…we are talking about a guy who threw away the 2008 season to gather evidence against his own HC. You think he is above starting a QB to the detriment of the team?
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm
The Real Ray Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Herm Edwards just told Norco…we need a QB!!
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wow.
high praise, indeed.
well, no use discussing it any further.
Herm has spoken. yippee
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
497.ArmChair GM Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I have said from the beginning of the season….Our season will go the way that right side of our O-line goes.
They had a couple of good showings and we got lulled to sleep.
That right side, and I’m talking about Satele, Carlisle(especially him), and Walker are NOT starting material in this league.
They can not get it done against the Premier, attacking, defenses in this league. They can’t pass protect consistently in order for us to be a consistent passing threat to get the ball to our speedy receivers.
You can’t enter the Daytona 500 and expect to win driving a 1990 Mazda protege.
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Good points, and I think most of us agree. However, you can’t win Daytona in Jimmy Johnson’s car with Stevie “J Campbell” Wonder…
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Dakota Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm
SammyTheBull Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:32 pm
So what ur saying is al sacrifices the team to try to save face?
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Of course he does…we are talking about a guy who threw away the 2008 season to gather evidence against his own HC. You think he is above starting a QB to the detriment of the team?
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look at Bey for the answer.
look at JR for the answer.
look at JC for the answer.
the answer we all know.
“lose my way instead of winning, and being wrong”
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:38 pm
With Thanksgiving looming, I hope it doesn’t side track the team like the bye week did.
http://bit.ly/eetPtU
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:40 pm
SammyTheBull Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm
wow.
high praise, indeed.
well, no use discussing it any further.
Herm has spoken. yippee
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lol… I hate Herm Edwards..
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:40 pm
# St. Jimmy Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
497.ArmChair GM Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I have said from the beginning of the season….Our season will go the way that right side of our O-line goes.
They had a couple of good showings and we got lulled to sleep.
That right side, and I’m talking about Satele, Carlisle(especially him), and Walker are NOT starting material in this league.
They can not get it done against the Premier, attacking, defenses in this league. They can’t pass protect consistently in order for us to be a consistent passing threat to get the ball to our speedy receivers.
You can’t enter the Daytona 500 and expect to win driving a 1990 Mazda protege.
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Good points, and I think most of us agree. However, you can’t win Daytona in Jimmy Johnson’s car with Stevie “J Campbell” Wonder…
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Sammy anybody that reads my posts knows that I’m no fan of Jason Campbell. I don’t think that he or Grads are the solution to our team winning another Vince Lombardi trophy.
But I do think we could win the AFC West with those two, IF our o-line could consistently do their jobs.
My motto from the beginning, was ‘Fix the O-line, Win the Division.’
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:43 pm
anything I missed at the live chat?
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:43 pm
St. Jimmy Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but I do find it oddly strange that out of our division we have the hardest remaining schedule. Coincidence? I think not..
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conspiracy nothing.
more like Clueless Theory.
schedule is by formula. only dates are determined. no advantage to playing tough teams early. some cases it’s a negative, only cuz team might still be gelling, where the tough teams come in established.
tired of the =blame the refs- or -conspiracy- copouts.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:44 pm
My bad St Jimmy. I called you Sammy…
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:45 pm
I wish one of the Steelers LB’s would have said “it felt like a scrimmage” going against the Raiders O-Line or something of that nature …
this unit needs extra motivation since they aren’t all that talented
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:46 pm
” Cable’s rolling with ol Deer in The Headlights.”
JC does have that “jus rolled out of bed, huh? what? huh?” look on the sidelines, doesn’t he?
standing there, mouth hanging open, staring blankly.
you see that look alot on Cops, lol
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:49 pm
JCamp is just like any other average QB in the league … he makes the throws when he has time in the pocket
when he doesn’t have time and there is no running game to fall back on, we get blown out (much like Thigpen against Chicago last week)
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Please get over it people. This is not a play off team, even if we some how squeaked in we would be beaten in the first round. our o-line is not good enough to match up with real competition, couple this with our below average receiver play and we dont stand a chance.
Funny the team shows improvement over last year but people here think we are headed to the super bowl. we lose to a championship caliber team and people here act as if the world is ending.
This team is a 500 ball club at best. Just as i predicted in the preseason we will be between 6-8 wins. We lost to a better team its not time to panic and bench/ trade or cut players or fire coaches.
Honestly what did you expect from this team? they have already shown more than any knowledgeable fan would have hoped they would.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:52 pm
It’s cool ArmChar MG
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:52 pm
wats with the “love what seymour did”?
he got ejected.
he got fined 25K.
Ben came right back in the game, and proceeded to run up points.
wz a stupid move on seymours part. if your going to get ejected, at least make it worth while, instead of a hand slap.
he cost the team.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:55 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:25 pm
To me, just making the playoffs won’t be enough. We have to beat somebody along the way. Obviously, winning a playoff game would be huse, but I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself.
Don’t want to be an average team that beat other average teams.
I want either Indy and/or SD (know we beat them before, but to beat them in December would be a whole other story).
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This is pure folly,and simply isnt reality. What makes you think this team is good enough to compete in the playoffs if they make it( which is no lock).
Im sorry no o-line and below average receiver play means mediocrity. That is a improvement over the cellar dweller status we have been used to lately.
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:56 pm
wz a stupid move on seymours part. if your going to get ejected, at least make it worth while, instead of a hand slap.
he cost the team.
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We could have beat them without Seymour, but we also lost Scott & CJ37
CJ’s injury forced rookie late rounder Jeremy Ware into a starting role opposite Routt
Scott is our best pass rusher and the Steel OL cant protect the QB
Hue Jackson & John Marshall just got outcoached too
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:58 pm
5pm in Podunk – later gents!
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Sammy The Bull
Seymour just did what dozens of fat ugly women have always wanted to….Beeetch slap the rapist.
What Symour did may not be “PC” but his attitude and his will to win combined with his inability to accept mediocre play will resonate throughout this team.
So yeah I am happy he did it!
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:03 pm
I said Fat Ugly women because thats what Big Ben rapes.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Plus have you ever seen a big guy fall so hard and so fast. He looked like a baby on the ground crying.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:07 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:55 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:25 pm
To me, just making the playoffs won’t be enough. We have to beat somebody along the way. Obviously, winning a playoff game would be huse, but I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself.
Don’t want to be an average team that beat other average teams.
I want either Indy and/or SD (know we beat them before, but to beat them in December would be a whole other story).
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This is pure folly,and simply isnt reality. What makes you think this team is good enough to compete in the playoffs if they make it( which is no lock).
Im sorry no o-line and below average receiver play means mediocrity. That is a improvement over the cellar dweller status we have been used to lately.
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The fact that you continue to deflect blame from QB play completely discredits you.
Sorry, Mistic if you’re gonna trash the WR and O Line play, you really have to include #30 QB Campbell and his stellar 7 TD 6 INT performance.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:13 pm
When Seymour biotched slapped BR he fell to the ground and curled up in the fetal position like a coward.But,then again,most rapists are cowards.
LA-we are an average team because this is a QB driven league and we have a below average starting QB.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Nice post Lefty!
Kind of like how Basltimore won the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer at QB, we are trying to win with a below average QB.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:19 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:07 pm
The fact that you continue to deflect blame from QB play completely discredits you.
Sorry, Mistic if you’re gonna trash the WR and O Line play, you really have to include #30 QB Campbell and his stellar 7 TD 6 INT performance.
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I havent deflected blame at all. In the losses our qbs havent played well.
However it is clear that the o-line is and has been the biggest problem that the team has. The receivers are next on the list.
The qbs have been up and down, but it is mainly the shaky o-line that skews the performance of the qbs.
we have won even with piss poor pass protection, because of our qbs and running backs, and even receivers making plays.
All of those position groups will improve with better line play especially our qbs. Running for your life, throwing on the move or with people draped all over you is a recipe for disaster for any qb.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:20 pm
There are quite a few teams that have won with inferior QBs;Wash with Rypien and Williams,Balt with Dilfer,Chi with McMahon are some but they all had a great team around them.We aren’t there yet.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:23 pm
We have 2 average QBs and basically a rookie OC.
I agree that better Oline play and an upgrade at WR helps the whole situation.
Better Oline play gives our average QB that extra second or so to find a WR and deliver a pass.
Better WRs actually get open so that average QB can find them. And if they are not open, they can still make a play on the ball.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
# J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:23 pm
We have 2 average QBs and basically a rookie OC.
I agree that better Oline play and an upgrade at WR helps the whole situation.
Better Oline play gives our average QB that extra second or so to find a WR and deliver a pass.
Better WRs actually get open so that average QB can find them. And if they are not open, they can still make a play on the ball.
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Dont forget the one area our wr really need to show the most improvement in, actually catching the ball.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:27 pm
It all depends on how you build the team.
Campbell can’t function with crappy O Line play and inexperienced WRs
A good QB would function with both.
So, do you address the QB position (a must, IMO) first, then the other areas? Or do you address the O Line and WR position only to still have a crappy QB.
You can dance around it all you like, but Lefty is correct, it’s a QB driven league and I guarantee you a better QB gets the job done with the exact same supporting cast.
I’m all for upgrading the O Line. I’ve been talking it about it for some time.
But priority #1 is QB. Even a serviceable game manager would suffice. Campbell is barely serviceable with good O Line play.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:31 pm
If we want a build a beastly O Line and get a 7-11 WR or two, OK Campbell may be a decent game manager, but I think having a good-great QB makes your team exponentially better.
Sure teams win with great everything else and decent QB, but I would settle for decent everything else and good-great QB.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:32 pm
All of those position groups will improve with better line play especially our qbs. Running for your life, throwing on the move or with people draped all over you is a recipe for disaster for any qb.
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What about when they just clearly miss?
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:34 pm
A.D Football Inc, aint exactly QB University.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Football starts at the line of scrimmage, this is where you begin to build because truly great qbs dont come by that often. A solid o-line means you can win even with a guy that is just above average. Want to win build from the inside out.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:37 pm
I am with Jhill on this. Build up the O-Line and get a receiver to fill the role Schilens was supposed to.
Right now Bruce Gradkowski and Jason Campbell are not good enough to win games.
Raiders need to give it another try. Look for Carson Palmer or Tavaris Jackson…I would think Kolb but we don’t have anything to trade right now…and no you don’t trade Nnamdi!
Get a new QB because the two we have are not NFL quality.
Fix the C and RG or RT positions (can’t fix both RT & RG so pick one) and get a competent vet receiver
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:38 pm
We won’t win the division unless Grads takes over in time to win the Miami game and earn the start against SD. I think with Grads in there we win the division. We might have even won in Pittsburgh if he had started the 2nd half when there was time and things were still somewhat within reach.
I’d love it if we could pull off a win over Miami while the Chargers fall to the Colts next week. I know there’s no guarantee of either but that would be huge. Then if we knocked off the Chargers they would have VERY little chance of recovering us and passing us by with the stranglehold we would have in the division tiebreaker.
The Chargers are really not a great team. They have a great QB and Norv is a very good playcaller. If you remove the QBs from the equation we have a better team and I’m not sure it’s all that close. Unfortunately, QB is by far the most important position on the field.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
It’s all about the QB. Put Peyton Manning on this team and we’re easily 8-2 right now, if not better.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
A.D Football Inc, aint exactly QB University.
Tom Flores
Daryle Lamonica
Ken Stabler
Jim Plunkett
Rich Gannon
Not too bad show me a team that has done better over the last 40 years
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Mistic1,
You always say we have 2 QB’s but leave out the fact that Campbell started and the game was lost by the time Grads came in. Oh yeah, Grads threw a pick but the game was OVER. I saw the look on Campbells face from 25 yds away with binoculars and it was the look of a deer in the headlights. As Cable said, he pulled Campbell when it became apparent he was overwhelmed. Your man Campbell did nothing.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:40 pm
532.KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:34 pm
A.D Football Inc, aint exactly QB University.
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No its not. Davis relies on veteran free agents. Problem is that a team is not getting rid of decent QBs…that’s why we got the worst QB tandem in the league.
But, Davis has to try again in free agency. The Raiders need to draft or pick up a UFA to groom as well. Someone that’s low cost because the Raiders aren’t very good at developing offensive talent
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:41 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:27 pm
It all depends on how you build the team.
Campbell can’t function with crappy O Line play and inexperienced WRs
A good QB would function with both.
So, do you address the QB position (a must, IMO) first, then the other areas? Or do you address the O Line and WR position only to still have a crappy QB.
You can dance around it all you like, but Lefty is correct, it’s a QB driven league and I guarantee you a better QB gets the job done with the exact same supporting cast.
I’m all for upgrading the O Line. I’ve been talking it about it for some time.
But priority #1 is QB. Even a serviceable game manager would suffice. Campbell is barely serviceable with good O Line play.
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What is meant by “get it done”? we are in the hunt for a division lead as opposed to bottom feeders, is that getting it done, or do you mean win a super bowl? No qb on earth could win a super bowl with our o-line.
We havent seen grads or campbell behind good o-line play. The o-line has been sub par all season. The denver game was the only game with decent pass protection, not good, and we saw what jc did with that.
In order for us to truly know what our qbs can do we must protect the passer.
pass protection is the number one priority in football, with out it you cant run your offense. This is why there is such a premium on tackles and pass rushers.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:42 pm
You think the Vikings would be letting Tavaris Jackson go in free agency if he was a better option than Farve.
Jackson is no better than Campbell.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:42 pm
The problem is that there are not that many good QB’s so teams are forced to win with average QB’s
Besides
Brady
Manning
Brees
Who else plays at that level?
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:44 pm
So, do you address the QB position (a must, IMO) first
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Address it how?
With no first round pick and no apparent upgrade coming on the market this offseason, Campbell and Grads area about as good as it’s going to get in the near future.
Meanwhile, I think our defense is on the verge of being REALLY good.
Our RB tandem is better than solid.
Upgrade C and RG now and we can compete now. Get Chaz, DHB, and Ford on the field at the same time and we can compete now.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Silver-and-black666,
Who else:
Vick, Schaub, Ryan, Freeman, Rogers, Eli, Bradford, Romo are all QBs that are either very good or becoming very good to great.
What the Raiders have are two QBs that would be out of the league if not for JaDavis flaming out
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
KK is correct. The only time we’ve had decent QB play in the last 20+ years was when we had Gannon and a WCO.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
It’s all about the QB. Put Peyton Manning on this team and we’re easily 8-2 right now, if not better.
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Not hardly. The book on manning is the same on brady, pressure in his face and he falls apart. indy’s o-line does a great job in pass protection and blitz pick up this is why, they can just plug in running backs and receivers and still win. this is why brady wins with no running game and no name receivers.
It all starts up front. Those guys behind our o-line would be ineffective as a hooker with a chastity belt.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:47 pm
541.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:42 pm
You think the Vikings would be letting Tavaris Jackson go in free agency if he was a better option than Farve.
Jackson is no better than Campbell.
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I’ll take a flyer on him over the two scrubs we’ve got. At least Tavaris took his team to the playoffs.
What we got?…a bunch hopes and dreams and disappointment
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:48 pm
J,
See SnB’s post:
Right now Bruce Gradkowski and Jason Campbell are not good enough to win games.
Raiders need to give it another try. Look for Carson Palmer or Tavaris Jackson…I would think Kolb but we don’t have anything to trade right now…and no you don’t trade Nnamdi!
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Some of these guys will be available next offseason and they’re better than what we have now.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Campbell is barely serviceable with good O Line play.
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I don’t recall any games where our Oline played well and we lost. The Oline played much better when we started Veldheer, but prior to that I think everyone was in agreement that our Oline was a weak spot.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
S N B
nice post I agree that the next level would include:
Vick, Schaub, Ryan, Freeman, Rogers, Eli, Bradford, Romo are all QBs that are either very good or becoming very good to great.
But besides that group of 10 or 12 QB’s there really isnt that much left.
Would you agree?
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Mistic1,
You always say we have 2 QB’s but leave out the fact that Campbell started and the game was lost by the time Grads came in. Oh yeah, Grads threw a pick but the game was OVER. I saw the look on Campbells face from 25 yds away with binoculars and it was the look of a deer in the headlights. As Cable said, he pulled Campbell when it became apparent he was overwhelmed. Your man Campbell did nothing.
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Neither campbell or grads could have been overwhelmed, if the o-line in front of them wasnt overwhelmed first. The defense must go through the o-line to get to the qb, and they went through our o-line virtually no resistance.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:42 pm
The problem is that there are not that many good QB’s so teams are forced to win with average QB’s
Besides
Brady
Manning
Brees
Who else plays at that level?
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You can’t discount guys having success with decent O Line and WR play.
Gerrard, Rivers, Orton aren’t Brady/Manning but are above average and would look great in Silver and Black.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Silver-n-Black,
I forgot Rivers because I hate the fact he’s in San Diego. But Rivers is outstanding
and Orton is pretty good…at least in the Denver system.
Also, Stafford, Sanchez and Flacco have great promise as well and I left out Rothlisberger……but after all that…yeah its pretty slim.
But the teams that are left are not teams we should wan to emulate.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
insanity is repeating actions and expecting different results. What good would it do to bring in another qb with o-line in its current state? in the long run we may win 1 or 2 more games? that wont get us a superbowl trophy.
i am surprised i though most people on this board have been around long enough to know basic football.
When was the last time a team has won a superbowl with pass protection as lousy as what we have?
easy answer…..never
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Guys like Brady,Manning,and Brees make their Oline look better than they are because they are able to step up to the line,read the def,and make a snap decision about where and who to get the ball to.They don’t have to take that extra second of two decide what to do-JC does and it makes the line look worse than it actually is.
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Neither campbell or grads could have been overwhelmed, if the o-line in front of them wasnt overwhelmed first. The defense must go through the o-line to get to the qb, and they went through our o-line virtually no resistance.
The same Oline that played great the previous three games. Pittsburghs oline is WORSE and Ben looked damn good. The problem is our passing game, qb and receivers, ZMiller didn’t help either
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
The QB position will have to be duct taped because JaDavis left this franchise high and dry.
This team, for the next 5 years, is going to have to win the way the old Ravens, Bears teams won. Great defense and running the football.
Just get a QB that won’t put out turds like last week
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:56 pm
easy answer…..never
Pittsburgh. Against everybody except the Titans and Pittsburgh our qbs had all day
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:56 pm
You think the Vikings would be letting Tavaris Jackson go in free agency if he was a better option than Farve.
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EXACTLY!
Same with any other FA acquisition including Campbell and Gradkowski. Palmer, Jackson, or Kolb won’t be available if they are any good.
Build the line, upgrade the WRs!
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:58 pm
If we are all honest with ourselves…the DHB pick is holding the team back right now. This guy was/is expected to be the bell cow and we just haven’t seen the production yet.
NOw we are talking about drafting another recevier. This means we neglect another position.
The great news is we have a good defense and an outstanding defense with Nnamdi in the lineup.
With a great defense, this team can compete.
Let’s just get a QB that won’t lose the game because he’s timid or because he tries to emulate He-Man
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:59 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Neither campbell or grads could have been overwhelmed, if the o-line in front of them wasnt overwhelmed first. The defense must go through the o-line to get to the qb, and they went through our o-line virtually no resistance.
The same Oline that played great the previous three games. Pittsburghs oline is WORSE and Ben looked damn good. The problem is our passing game, qb and receivers, ZMiller didn’t help either
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Our o-line did not play great at any point this season. The kc and seattle games were filled with penalties and blown assignments especially in the first half of those games. It was glossed over because other guys on offense spurred us to wins. only the denver game had decent pass protection.
We werent able to test pitts o-line because we had play vanilla defense, with out our defensive leaders on the field. Im sure if we could have goten to them under a normal circumstance.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:00 pm
Lefty12 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Guys like Brady,Manning,and Brees make their Oline look better than they are because they are able to step up to the line,read the def,and make a snap decision about where and who to get the ball to.They don’t have to take that extra second of two decide what to do-JC does and it makes the line look worse than it actually is.
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True, but those QB’s have been in the same system for quite a while.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm
J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Campbell is barely serviceable with good O Line play.
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I don’t recall any games where our Oline played well and we lost. The Oline played much better when we started Veldheer, but prior to that I think everyone was in agreement that our Oline was a weak spot.
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You’re basing this on the assumption that Campbell didn’t played poorly in games we won?
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm
didn’t play*
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:03 pm
# lefty12 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Guys like Brady,Manning,and Brees make their Oline look better than they are because they are able to step up to the line,read the def,and make a snap decision about where and who to get the ball to.They don’t have to take that extra second of two decide what to do-JC does and it makes the line look worse than it actually is.
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Our qbs dont even get to the top of their drops before defenders are in the backfield. They are forced to make plays on the run constantly.
Another factor with the guys you mentioned is the fact that they have been in the same system for at least a few years, so they are almost on auto pilot so to speak. it takes a couple of years to in the same offense to show that kind of mastery.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm
J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Campbell is barely serviceable with good O Line play.
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I don’t recall any games where our Oline played well and we lost. The Oline played much better when we started Veldheer, but prior to that I think everyone was in agreement that our Oline was a weak spot.
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You’re basing this on the assumption that Campbell didn’t played poorly in games we won?
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We have yet to see campbell or grads behind good o-line play.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Brady, Manning and Brees make their reads and get rid of the ball. That’s why they don’t take sacks and that’s why they stay healthy at that position.
Most QBs give their receivers a chance to fight for the ball.
Raider QBs pretty much hold the ball and take the sack or have to hurry the throw in the dirt…or take off running trying to truck a strong safety.
I would be inclined to see what Boller can do
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:05 pm
You cant have a good passing game without an offensive line, its just that simple.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
OK, well option….
A) Stay with Campbell or maybe upgrade slightly to a game/manager system QB and build the line using 2nd or 3rd rounders, free agents, etc.
B) Get a real QB with some wheeling and dealing and try to maybe make a slight upgrade on the line.
With a dominant D, yes I think we could even win with Campbell.
In the long run, it’s a QB-driven league and we need a good one.
I’ll leave it for you guys to debate.
Be good, semi pros.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Mistic,
The QB has about 3 seconds to get rid of the ball.
We knew Pittsburgh was bringing pressure…I would hope the QBs and coaches would too.
Get rid of the damn ball on the hot read….get rid of the damn ball to the receiver in single coverage.
This teams offense never looks quite right. NEver looks fluid. Especially watching other teams play.
If DMAC and Bush aren’t getting yards…there is no offense in Oakland.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Good gawd JC sucked balls last Sunday. The look on the kids face was priceless. The terrified look is disgusting.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:10 pm
# SnB Production Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Mistic,
The QB has about 3 seconds to get rid of the ball.
We knew Pittsburgh was bringing pressure…I would hope the QBs and coaches would too.
Get rid of the damn ball on the hot read….get rid of the damn ball to the receiver in single coverage.
This teams offense never looks quite right. NEver looks fluid. Especially watching other teams play.
If DMAC and Bush aren’t getting yards…there is no offense in Oakland.
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everybody knows what pitt will do, stopping it is a different animal.
their strength, pass rush is our weakness pass protection.
We ran hot reads, and we ran max protect, but both were stymied by pitts pressure.
Pitt like every team knows we have one of the worse pass protection units in football, they attacked it and beat us with it. point blank
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
# mistic1 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:05 pm
You cant have a good passing game without an offensive line, its just that simple.
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Keep throwing the O-line under that bus.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
When the Raiders were using the whole playbook, they were winning.
When they went conservative they lost.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
LA to the BAy,
The Raiders are going to have to go the smashmouth route.
This is going to be similiar to the early 90’s. Good team all around but the QB as the anchor.
Carson Palmer is worth a flier, as is T. Jackson. May even think about a Jake Delhomme.
Just get someone in here that understands getting rid of the ball and has had some legitimate success in their past.
JaDavis did a number on this franchise.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Pitt like every team knows we have one of the worse pass protection units in football, they attacked it and beat us with it. point blank.
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It could be said that Pitt like every team knows we have one of the worst QB/WR units in the NFL.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Mistic,
I saw the QB holding the ball way too long. That’s what I saw.
I know the receivers here are garbage. If the DMAC and Bush are tearing it up…then play conservatively and don’t risk the turnover.
But when you are down 21-3…you gotta get rid of the ball man!
Bruce at least did that….unfortunately his popgun arm betrayed the little guy
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Does everybody understand that we are 500, and better than last year?
Our qbs running backs and even our receivers have stepped up at times to lead us to wins.
even the defense has been up and down at times.
The only contestant this year has been sub standard pass protection and every one except people on this board know it.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:18 pm
10.9 passer rating? LMFAO!
Yea it is all on the O-line.
At least now you are only bagging on the pass protection.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:19 pm
# SnB Production Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Mistic,
I saw the QB holding the ball way too long. That’s what I saw.
I know the receivers here are garbage. If the DMAC and Bush are tearing it up…then play conservatively and don’t risk the turnover.
But when you are down 21-3…you gotta get rid of the ball man!
Bruce at least did that….unfortunately his popgun arm betrayed the little guy
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On the first drive by both qbs the ball came out quickly, what happened?
pitt broke down the pass protection, qbs couldnt go through the reads because there were backer running free into the back field.
Pitt likes to bring pressure and jump hot reads, you cant just throw it, it leads to picks and we saw that.
the qb is dammed if he does and damned if he doesnt behind our leaky pass protection.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:21 pm
# Drexl Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:18 pm
10.9 passer rating? LMFAO!
Yea it is all on the O-line.
At least now you are only bagging on the pass protection.
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actually campbell struggled in that game along with the bad pass protection it lead to an ugly loss.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:22 pm
As much as we want to blame the qbs you must fix the o-line first.
Fix a problem by going to the root, dont get caught up in he leaves on a tree.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:22 pm
You cant have a good passing game without an offensive line, its just that simple.
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You can’t have a good offense, without a good QB, it’s just that simple.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
# mistic1 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:22 pm
As much as we want to blame the qbs you must fix the o-line first.
Fix a problem by going to the root, dont get caught up in he leaves on a tree.
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Fix the QB and the O-line becomes much less of a liability.
I hope JC gets the hook before half time. I’m going to have to limber up my Bruuuuuuce vocal cord for this Sundays game.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Sammy The Bull
Seymour just did what dozens of fat ugly women have always wanted to….Beeetch slap the rapist.
What Symour did may not be “PC” but his attitude and his will to win combined with his inability to accept mediocre play will resonate throughout this team.
So yeah I am happy he did it!
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point is he cost the TEAM.
we lost.
we weren’t out of it at that point, but once he left it became impossible.
resonate? lol. you serious? this is the nfl, not peewee fb.
regardless, getting ejected doesn’t fire up the team.
look at the score and tell me again how his actions resonated.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
The O-line is being hampered by crappy QB play.
If we had any QB who would step up in the face of a rush and make a play, the O-line wouldn’t have to block 6 to 7 guys at a time.
Instead our guys throw the ball up for grabs, just go down without a fight, or throw the ball away.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Every team is going to attempt to shut down and shut out Darren McFadden and to a lesser extent Michael Bush.
Bank on it. So whether its the QB or the O-Line…they better figure out a competent passing game…otherwise they will lose all the remaining games.
You can’t rely on blocked punts, and multiple turnovers in the 1st quarter forever….
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:30 pm
1)# mistic1 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:04 pm
We have yet to see campbell or grads behind good o-line play.
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2)# KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
When the Raiders were using the whole playbook, they were winning.
When they went conservative they lost.
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These two brothas have summed up the entire situation we face in terms of winning the DIVISION…
As Mistic says, if you have a solid o-line, you can play simple, straight forward, smash mouth football. And yes Grads and even Campbell are capable of winning the the weak AFC West if we had a solid, consistent, o-line.
Now as Kell is saying, when your o-line is not strong or consistent, which is our case, you have to be creative and use more facets of the playbook, to keep the defense on their heels. We did not do that in Pittsburgh and we did not do that in SF. Hue Jackson went as bland as a rice cracker with no salt, and you saw how ineffective our offense looked.
Now in order to win the SUPERBOWL…we need a new QB and some reliable wide receivers….but these two posts sum up what we need to do in order to win the division right now!
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:30 pm
JFB,
I gotta agree with you. Even Rivers was playing with a lousy LT and he made it work….Manning is playing with a shaky Left Tackle…and on and on and on…hell even Gerrard is playing with two 2nd year tackles…yet those guys deliver the f’n ball in the face of pressure.
The Raider Qbs are just not that good
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:32 pm
# SnB Production Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:30 pm
The Raider Qbs are just not that good
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ding ding ding winna winna chicken dinna!
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Mistic1,
I thought Jason Campbell was part of the “Wave of the future” as you proclaimed.
Now he needs a solid O-line, just to not be the worst starting QB in the NFL (which is about 3 spots above where he is)?
What gives?
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
mistic1 Says:
Dont forget the one area our wr really need to show the most improvement in, actually catching the ball.
mistic1 Says:
The only contestant this year has been sub standard pass protection and every one except people on this board know it.
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you’re like a whiney little child. excuses, excuses, excuses.
wr’s dropped the ball.
oline didn’t give enough protection.
facts are JC is a joke, and even after he’s benched, then released, your sorryass will still be blaming the receivers, the oline, the coaches..everyone except the hack.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
I would argue that our WR’s are a bigger problem to our passing offense than our O-line.
Nobody is scared of them, so bring on the CB and Safety blitzes as well.
At least the O-line does a great job blocking in the running game, which usually makes legit NFL QB’s job easier passing the ball.
Now if we can only have a legit NFL QB…….
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Good night Nation!
Until tomorrow.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Jason Campbell’s QB rating is below what Jamarcus Russells’ was in 2008.
Just repeat that, and let it marinate for a second.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
I think those exotic Pitt Fronts, maybe made the Raider O-line look worse than it is.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:39 pm
great qb’s make things happen. get the job done. even with bad olines, or crappy wr’s, yu never hear blame being put on the qb’s play.
weak sorry qb’s need all the protection in the world. need receivers wide open. need never be hurried. and even then they still hold onto the ball too long, fumble, force balls in, don’t go thru reads.
and some jackasses still insist on defending the weak.
all because they don’t have the balls to state their previous comments were wrong.
so, excuses. excuses. excuses.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Look, Mistic is right in that the team is 5-5 right now….but….this team will be 5-11 if they don’t figure out how to throw the ball in quarters 1 – 3
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
I’ve been waiting all day for someone to tell me where we are going to find thid upgrade at QB?
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm
I would argue that our WR’s are a bigger problem to our passing offense than our O-line.
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And that would be a damn good argument
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm
# J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
I’ve been waiting all day for someone to tell me where we are going to find thid upgrade at QB?
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I do not think that one is available ATM?
That doesn’t mean JC doesn’t suck balls, and Grad is only a very good backup qb.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Hopefully we find him in some way shape or form in the offseason of 2011.
Kevin Kolb seems to have a lot of similarities to Matt Schaub’s pre-Houston career.
Or maybe a drafted QB or a draft day trade.
Or maybe Charlie Frye will get healthy and we can give him another whirl (just kidding)
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:50 pm
JHill,
I think you gotta keep trying. Keep bringing in guys until you find someone that is competent.
This offense looks totally inept at times…Tennessee, Rams, 1st half of San Diego, San Fran, 1st half of Chiefs and Steelers.
If DMAC isn’t dominant or the defense getting 3 turnovers in the 1st QTR….this offense looks atrocious.
So as far as QB, keep bringing in credible competition…10.9 passing performances and more ints than TDs not going to get it done.
We are back in the early 90s again!
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RoMac is not making plays because our vanilla D does’nt alow him to. Zone him or blitz him w/ our safties in man and he’ll show up. Right now i’m missing Morrison. It was’nt pitts blitz it was our playcall/ adjustment. Don’t even want to get into it but everbody knows which QB is better at dealing with the blitz.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
raiderfankirk,
There is nothing wrong with the defense. They ironed out the running game problem With Nnamdi on the field its a top 10 defense.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:54 pm
I have faith that Rolando will continue to improve over the years.
Does it appear that his ceiling is a little lower than we all thought? Unfortunately it may be that way, but he is only 21 years old, and doesn’t even turn 22 until training camp next year, so maybe rushing the gun there.
He is clearly hitting a rookie wall, IMO, and may even benefit from taking a series or two off and watching from time to time.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:55 pm
So in other words, there won’t be a QB upgrade next year.
Build the lines and the WRs!
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Guys like Brady,Manning,and Brees make their Oline look better than they are because they are able to step up to the line,read the def,and make a snap decision about where and who to get the ball to.They don’t have to take that extra second of two decide what to do-JC does and it makes the line look worse than it actually is.
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Bingo. At least somebody gets it.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm
I have no problem trying to build the lines and WR’s still. Always a work in progress in this league.
But a whole at QB is a whole at QB. You can go drink the punch and talk to your friends at the prom for awhile, but eventually you have to dance with the fat girl you brought to it.
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Running the same D play in and out over and over again when it’s not working?Agree there’s nothing wrong w/them it’s the call’s. All man w/ 6 man rush does Ben run 16yds for a td? MLB spy 5 man rush does he score?Blitz a LB w/ Scott dropping in zone does he score?
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Whole or hole……got excited thinking about fat girls in prom dresses, lol
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Bingo. At least somebody gets it.
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I have been screaming this for years in here.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Guys like Brady,Manning,and Brees make their Oline look better than they are
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And those guys are not avaiable and there is no one on our roster close to those guys.
Build an Oline that doesn’t need a QB to make it look good!
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Our D nomatter how dominate they are as individuals could be a all time great if they had the other team guessing, and on occasion w/ have seen when they mix it up (example Philly game last yr)We make it easy for the other O
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:02 pm
I think Grads can get it done.
Give the guy a (legitimate) shot. The offense clearly functions better when he’s in there.
Take Sunday for example. Probably Grads’ worst performance as a Raider and it was just about as good as some of Campbell’s best. Factor in that we were on the road and already down by 3 TDs against a ferocious defense late in the 3rd quarter by the time Grads’ number was called. Oh, and that he had missed several weeks with an injury and was coming into an almost impossible situation, cold. Still, he had a nice drive going before throwing the bad pick.
Campbell is decent when he has about 4-5 seconds to survey the field and throw the ball with no one in his face. Grads is our only option to make something out of nothing, keep plays alive, and make the quick reads to get the ball down field and fit into tight spaces.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Raiderfankirk,
The depth in the secondary is bad. If Nnamdi is out there the defense can do a lot more and at least one option is largely taken away.
Chris Johnson got burnt on 3rd and forever and there were a couple of other long completions on the two scoring drives that shouldn’t have happened.
Rashard Mendehnall was kept in check.
Defense is getting it done for the most part.
Its the QB, WR and OL that’s got us in trouble
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Grads crossed mid-field easily the first time he had the ball, and I swear it had been about an hour and a half since the last time we crossed midfield.
The said state of our QB situation, when merely crossing midfield is mass improvement.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:05 pm
All in saying is we play man anyway, why not blitz more and close the window alittle. When wallace cought the long catch and run Ben had a half hour in the pocket.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:06 pm
ChrisinNY,
Gradkowski should start for sure…but I will make this prediction.
When he goes to free agency….he won’t be getting a pay day, nor will he get a shot at a starting gig somewhere….except maybe here.
He’s just had the fortune of playing behind JaDavis…that and a 4th QTR against Pittsburgh last year….
We gotta do better than just beating out JaDavis and Campbell
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Best example 85 Bears. No qb makes a play w/ 1.5sec
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Factor in that we were on the road and already down by 3 TDs against a ferocious defense late in the 3rd quarter by the time Grads’ number was called. Oh, and that he had missed several weeks with an injury and was coming into an almost impossible situation, cold.
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Bunch of excuses.
Gardowski needs the same upgrade at WR and Oline as Campbell does. He hasn’t shown he can make something outta nothing. He just has the advantage of following Russell.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:09 pm
Mike Wallace = another of the super-fast young WR’s who has the ability to make plays and not just “clear out”.
Let me know when DHB jumps off your screen like Wallace did on the catch and run.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:10 pm
What stopped Rivers from kicking our tails?
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:12 pm
623.raiderfankirk Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:10 pm
What stopped Rivers from kicking our tails?
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Two blocked punts and the defense playing to win on that last drive
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Let me know when DHB jumps off your screen like Wallace did on the catch and run.
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LOL!
The one where he was out running Goethel?
You’ve got to be kidding me!
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Another sad state of our QB situation.
When the career backup QB, with questionable arm-strength and ever questionabler (is that a word??) durability issues, seems like an upgrade because…………well basically because he seems like he gives a crap.
Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, Culpepper (against anyone but Miami), Jamarcus and now Campbell.
Seriously how do we end up with about 90% of all the QB’s in the entire NFL who play with the passion of a hooker screwing a 350 pound 50 year old?
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:15 pm
The one where he was out running Goethel?
You’ve got to be kidding me!
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Than flew right threw Routt’s arm tackle and split the safeties.
I wouldn’t care if DHB is outrunning Pat Williams out there, can he have a catch and run for 60 yards where he actually breaks a few tackles?
The Seattle one (his only career one) both guys played the ball and wiffed. That isn’t quite the same.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:15 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Guys like Brady,Manning,and Brees make their Oline look better than they are
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The Pats offensive line sure did make Cassel look better than he was.
Why are people still arguing about how Tom Brady and Drew Brees could win with this Raiders team? They’re not on this team and never will be. We don’t have anyone on the roster as good as Brady or Brees or Manning or Ryan or Rodgers or even Josh Freeman.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:16 pm
JFB,
Aaron Brooks and Walter were burdened with playing under an absolutely ridiculous situation. Ruined Walter’s career.
In general though, the only way to get a good QB is to develop your own. Other teams are getting rid of dead weight..that’s what the Raiders have.
JC – effectively cut by Washington with no takers
BG – a guy cut by Tampa, Cleveland, St. Louis and denied a shot with Houston…..a guy who is scrapping like hell to stay in this league..but is he the guy? Very, very doubtful…He’s already missed a lot of time
The Raiders have been operating like this for over 20 years….
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Dick LeBeau, is unique. I wouldn’t make any rash decisions based on that loss. I never had us winning that game.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:18 pm
I’d love to see DHB on some crossing routes to see if you are correct.
I think he can get it done!
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Maybe someone needs to put up a billboard demanding that Al Davis get the Raiders a franchise QB.
Sure worked well getting a new GM.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Well, we aren’t getting any QB help this season, so I guess we can save all our best material for this offseason.
I’ve been saying it for weeks, that these two will be going in and out of the lineup for the remainder of the year. Hell we may pull out the division and still not know who is QB’ing the playoff game.
That’s not the way it typically works in the NFL, but Bruce Gradkowski and Jason Campbell aren’t your typical QB “Competition”.
Not quite Steve Young vs. Joe Montana is it?
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Not quite Steve Young vs. Joe Montana is it?
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LMFAO!
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:26 pm
QUARTERBACKS WHO DON’T PLAY FOR THE RAIDERS:
Tom Brady
Payton Manning
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Can we end this retarded argument now?
I hope the Raiders find a franchise QB soon. I really do. I hope they find a guy who makes Heyward-Bey look like a Hall of Famer, and makes our offensive line look impenetrable. That guy is not on the roster right now. The most they can do is try to upgrade C, RG, RT, and WR so whoever is behind center has the greatest possible opportunity for success. Then when the Raiders DO find “THE GUY”, they can compete with the elite teams in this league.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:28 pm
I’d love to see DHB on some crossing routes to see if you are correct.
I think he can get it done!
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That makes two of you. You and Priest.
Unfortunately Hue doesn’t think so, or maybe we might see him actually run one or two.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Jhill I think the fact that they saw Grads replace Russell is all they ever think about, it has them seeing stars.
Anybody that watched that game objectively saw our Oline get pushed around and miss assignments. We couldn’t run and we let Harrison come free 3 times. If ZMiller catches a few passes and Murphy plays close to what he’s capable and we run the ball a little that 1st half is very different.
NO one is saying Campbell is the second coming but damn he had no help. Murphy gives up on a TD pass JLH give sup on a route for a possible TD. If we make plays there Pitt changes the way they play us. It’s not 21-3 maybe it’s 14-10 instead and their much more cautious on defense.
All those passes were well thrown, but with zero results because guy’s just didn’t make plays. Murphy’s fumble hurt in that it stopped a drive even if we don’t score maybe we pin them back. Those were game changing plays. Nick Miller fair catches a ball on the 4 yardline affective stopping another drive.
As a team we sucked………..and to try to pin it on one guy is using specious logic at the very least. If we play better around Campbell I think he will play better. This deer in headlights crap is crap. If your Oline doesn’t get it done you aint gonna win………..period That includes Drew Brees and all the rest sure they may make a few more plays but they’ll also spend most of the game on their ass…………..period
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Tj are you happy with Jc’s play at QB?
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Can’t get Master QB play with a different Coach/OC/System every 2 years.
You’d think you guys would know that by now, for chrissake. After all my hard work.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Is A.D. Football Inc a respected institution of higher QB learning?
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Neither QB had any help whatsoever on Sunday, that’s for sure. WRs and O-line were overwhelmed, and Miller was playing at half-speed.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:37 pm
NO one is saying Campbell is the second coming but damn he had no help
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He certainly got help from the refs and those two bogus roughing calls.
Led to his only 3 points, and saved his hide from a pick 6.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:37 pm
# KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Can’t get Master QB play with a different Coach/OC/System every 2 years.
You’d think you guys would know that by now, for chrissake. After all my hard work.
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Yep.
By the same token, a new defensive coordinator isn’t going to change anything about the way the defense is run. Marshall seems to have more freedom than any of the others in recent history, so I personally want to see him stay and coach up the youngsters.
If anything, the Raiders need a new WR coach and a new DB coach. Willie Brown is only a “consultant” of some sort these days, and Sanjay Lal doesn’t seem to have accomplished much with the young receiver talent on this team.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Nick Miller fair catches a ball on the 4 yardline affective stopping another drive.
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How do you stop a drive before starting it?
If it the ball would have went to the end zone, it would have made no difference.
But agreed, it was a ridiculously stupid move by Nick Miller.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Nick Miller fair catches a ball on the 4 yardline affective stopping another drive.
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JLH used to do that all the time. I can only look at the lack of institutional knowledge
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Drexl
I really don’t think I’ll ever be happy with JC’s play but I’m also not going look at evevrything he does and pick it apart as though I’m a coach. Campbell is who he is but we can win with him and I know we can. He’s a lot better than what we’ve had in recent years. He has a lot of holes in his game and so do a lot of other starting QB’s on winning teams.
If we play well around him he’ll get better I see that much as I watch him play. He has some real assets t his game that can be used if the coach allows him the to play to his strengths.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:49 pm
JLH used to do that all the time. I can only look at the lack of institutional knowledge
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Kool,
I wouldn’t say it was/is a lack of knowledge but more of a lack of discipline.
Believe it or not, this skinny white guy returned a handful of punts in Freshman football, and even than a was drilled on standing at the ten and only taking one step back at the most.
He was standing at the 5 to start and just stayed there. He was clearly doing his thing, as I highly doubt Fassel Jr. told him to do as such.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:49 pm
KK you need to get some therapy dude you ask some tof the dumbest questions I’ve ever seen you’re so hard for Mr Davis it borders on insanity.
Seek help dude!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:53 pm
how is Janikowski leading in pro bowl votes and McFadden isn’t? Pretty dumb if you ask me, its just based on names.
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:56 pm
JFB
Point being Raiders make the same mistakes year in, year out. For some reason.
Hell no Fassel didn’t tell them to do so. But, for whatever reason, they haven’t grasped the importance, and relevance of not fielding Punts at the 3 yrd line.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:00 pm
But, for whatever reason, they haven’t grasped the importance, and relevance of not fielding Punts at the 3 yrd line.
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I have to agree with Kell on this one. HAS to be a coaching issue. Football IQ stuff mayne. If you line up on the 10 yd line and have to take a step back, let the ball bounce. It’s not that hard.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Well the RAIDERS have never really liked to draft qb’s, they prefer to find solid veterans through free agency and trades and the disaster with russell only reinforces that belief. Truth is we are stuck with Campbell and Grads for the rest of the year- we’re gonna live or die with these guys and the rest of this team for that matter. That being said we have a chance to compete for a division crown and that feels pretty good! How we play with who we have down the stretch will define us good or bad.Personally I think we are improved to this point but we can be better. Can we win with Campkowski? Yes . Are either of them the long term answer? probably not. Let’s just see what happens the rest of the season and hope for the best!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Seems like the Bengals & fans are complaining about Carson Palmer. I’d take him in a heartbeat.
Are you listening AD? Go make a deal for Palmer.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:21 pm
Carson Palmer isn’t durable or consistent. If we’re going after a hit-and-miss QB who can’t stay on the field, I’d rather have Vince Young. At least he’s younger.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
VY is a mental case. Talk about inconsistent. Carson Palmer is a Real live NFL caliber quality QB who can throw the ball when it needs to be thrown. CP is the type of QB that comes to Oakland and reinvents himself. He just needs a new home base and he’ll excel. I’m not even sure we could crowbar him out of there but if we could I’d take him in a heartbeat.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:36 pm
YA-#628-you just don’t get it.Nobody is arguing about how those guys could win with our team-everyone knows they aren’t available.What people are pointing out is JC’s weaknesses to those proclaiming he isn’t part of the problem when obviously he is a huge part of the problem.What I find so funny is if someone points out JCs faults they are accused of not thinking that the line or WRs need to also improve.Everyone knows we need to improve in those areas.You should try and improve in every aspect EVERY year.But trying to say JC would be so much better if the Oline and WRs were improved has no validity.History says otherwise.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Sorry,but putting durability and consistency with V.Young is one of the most ridiculous posts I’ve ever read on this blog-and that is saying a lot.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:54 pm
# lefty12 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Sorry,but putting durability and consistency with V.Young is one of the most ridiculous posts I’ve ever read on this blog-and that is saying a lot.
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Good thing I said Vince Young isn’t durable or consistent, then, isn’t it?
Reading the post usually helps…
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:58 pm
YA-#628-you just don’t get it.Nobody is arguing about how those guys could win with our team-everyone knows they aren’t available.What people are pointing out is JC’s weaknesses to those proclaiming he isn’t part of the problem when obviously he is a huge part of the problem.What I find so funny is if someone points out JCs faults they are accused of not thinking that the line or WRs need to also improve.Everyone knows we need to improve in those areas.You should try and improve in every aspect EVERY year.But trying to say JC would be so much better if the Oline and WRs were improved has no validity.History says otherwise.
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But then why bring up Tom Brady or Drew Brees at all? Everyone knows JC and Grads aren’t those guys. It’s painfully obvious. But they’re the only QBs available to the Raiders right now.
Talk offseason if you want – I know I am. The team has improved a whole lot from last year, that’s for sure. But a few more key pieces will have the Raiders in a very good position to compete.
In the meantime, Campkowski is what we have to live with. Sucks, I know. But continuing to argue that JC doesn’t have Tom Brady’s skills is like arguing to no end that water is wet.
November 23rd, 2010 at 6:59 pm
I must admit it is a little funny to see so many crying how bad this team is after all the hype coming into the Pitt game. You guys over hyped the team and now you’re overreacting. JC is a lousy QB and proved it time and again.
The Raiders will be fine this season. Prior to the season, you’d be happy with 7-9. Prior to the 3 game run, our Oline was the worst in the league. 3 weeks later people were thinking we’d dominate the best Run D in the league. Hilarious.
We’ll finish between 8-8 to 9-7. Take that to the bank and next year will be the year the Oline will improve while the Dline dominates. We’ll be legit next year because the JaPuke experiment will be long gone. Told you he couldnt carry the team!
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:02 pm
And I really don’t see any sign that at this point in his career, Carson Palmer is going to re-invent himself. If he can’t get it done with three very good receivers, a solid TE, and an offensive line at the very least on par with that of the Raiders, I don’t see why he’d get it done here.
Better than Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski? Maybe. But I don’t see him being worth what it would take to pry him away from the Bengals.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Hey, the Raiders lost to the Steelers, so at least we all know AIG is happy. Congrats, buddy!
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:05 pm
You guys dogging Vince Young kill me.
He is only 30-17 as a starter.
He was the 5th rated QB in the NFL before last weekend.
He went to the most recent Pro Bowl.
And you would rather have Carson Palmer? Palmer would get killed behind our O-Line. V Young would buy time for our horrible receivers to get open just like Vick does in Philly.
Yeah Vince threw a tantrum and tossed his uni in the stands but it was because he has a beef with Jeff Fisher. The dude wants to be the man and lead his team to victory. You think Campbell will ever toss his uni in the stands after Cable pulls him from game?
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:08 pm
The only thing I don’t like about VY is that he simply can’t stay on the field. I like his pocket mobility and his arm, but he gets injured a whole lot. Plus he tends to act like a punk, and I’m not sure the Raiders need that kind of personality in their locker room.
Kid can be a good player, and would sure as hell be a better option for the Raiders than Carson Palmer. If only because he’s younger and still has some room to grow. But I’m far from sold on him.
If he gets cut by the Titans (I don’t see that happening – Bud Adams loves him), MAYBE. But he wouldn’t be worth giving anything substantial up for in a trade.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 pm
YA,
I’m never happy when the Raiders lose. But I am bittersweet at seeing you cry after all the bs you threw at me. I’m not a real raider fan why? The game happened exactly as I dissected it. I got some more tissue for you here. Keep on crying though. JC was improving according to you right? When all the evidence was pointing the opposite way. Genius that you are!
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Quarterback is not the problem.
Vanilla play calling does not work in the NFL.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:10 pm
We don’t have to worry about Vince Young because he won’t be available. The owner already said Vince Young is going nowhere and Fisher is just going to have to co-exist with him.
It’s like someone said a few minutes ago and Jerry has mentioned it a million times. Players are available for a reason if teams are willing to part with them. Titans are not parting with V Young. So we can move on from that one.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:11 pm
The DBs failed the Raiders first. Things began to trickle down from there. How many passes thrown should have been INT’d or at least deflected? Those same passes that were “big” 3rd down coversions for Pitts when the game was still 7-3 or 0-3 for that matter.
When Seymour was ejected from the game he should have have even been on the field if they didn’t covert some 3rd down thru the air that our DBs failed to intercept or knock the ball down – and it was well within them to do so – this may have been the coversion made on Chris Johnson that kept that drive alive. Otherwise, it was 3 and out and Pitts would have never gotten into a ryth!
JC wasn’t that bad during most of the game. What more can you do when you damn WRs, RBs and TEs can’t catch the damn ball or make a darn play??? That’s when things really began to get worse. Therefore, I don’t put much of anything on JCs shoulders because they were dropping all kinds of easy balls on him!
I witnessed the way this team plays without DHB; and trust me – its different! Maybe I am looking too much into it – maybe – because I have such high hopes for the young guy given his abilities …but I definitely noticed a difference in the way this offense runs and how the defense plays it! Pitts was crowding the line big time with little fear of deep routes. ZM was ineffective (prob in large measure to his own doing).
All being said, even though I do not think JC was bad as people in here say he was – his players have to catch the damn ball! – Grads looked much better running the offense. That much didn’t escape me either. He just has a ton more “anticipation” than JC. He releases the ball that much quicker – hence the ease of movement of the offense. JC has to play much faster to compete with a Grads ran offense.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
QB is the MAIN problem because
1. QB is the leader of the team.
2. QB must keep drives alive even if we dont score points and avoid 3 and outs.
If you noticed that when we got blownout in the past 2 years, it was when the QB looks lost and had a ton of 3 and outs. That happened with both JR and JC.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:14 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 pm
YA,
I’m never happy when the Raiders lose. But I am bittersweet at seeing you cry after all the bs you threw at me. I’m not a real raider fan why? The game happened exactly as I dissected it. I got some more tissue for you here. Keep on crying though. JC was improving according to you right? When all the evidence was pointing the opposite way. Genius that you are!
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You were looking forward to JC being taken apart by Pittsburgh. Those are the words you used, and you can’t run from them. That’s why you’re not a real fan.
Game happened like I said it would, too. JC started. He turned the ball over so Cable pulled him for Grads. Exactly like I said he would if JC turned the ball over. Pressure from the Steelers’ linebackers ended up being the key factor, exactly like I said it would. But at no point was I looking forward to a loss like you were.
I said JC’s play might be improving and all we as fans could do was wait and see. You spend a full week of your existence pissing and moaning and whining about the inevitable fact that JC was going to get the start. Who is the real loser here?
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm
We need to find out which QB in this draft has: leadership qualities, some mobility, a good (not great) arm, film junkie, and some of that cockiness thrown in.
If we can identify that guy we are in business. He sits and learn next year while we have 2 vets leading the way. I’ll take Bruce G and another vet with some mobility and not scared of defenders coming at him.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:20 pm
# 504 Raider Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm
We need to find out which QB in this draft has: leadership qualities, some mobility, a good (not great) arm, film junkie, and some of that cockiness thrown in.
If we can identify that guy we are in business. He sits and learn next year while we have 2 vets leading the way. I’ll take Bruce G and another vet with some mobility and not scared of defenders coming at him.
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From what I’ve heard and seen, Luck is that guy. Unfortunately the Raiders are in no position to take him. Oh well.
Jake Locker might be an option, but before bringing a rookie QB in and putting him in that position, I’d like to see the Raiders establish a good offensive line and receiving corps.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:26 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing us draft a CB with our top pick if only that guy is Patrick Peterson of LSU. We would have to move back into the 1st rnd to get him but he is well worth it because he is a ball hawk and a big time punt returner. He doesn’t get challenged much during games just like Nnamdi so he would love to come in as a rookie and have the ball thrown his way. Plus he has that super cockiness/confidence about himself.
One game this year he fair caught a punt where the nearest defender was about 7 yds away from him. He went to the sidelines furious about calling Fair catch. He apologized to his coaches and his teammates for doing that and said he will never call fair catch again no matter what. His next opportunity was in the next game and first PR he got he took it to the house. That dude is money. He’s the real deal from the talent hotbed of Pompano Beach, FL. He turned down Urban Meyer to go to LSU told Florida he was gonna kick their a$$. We need guys like that.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:29 pm
YA,
1. Please show me one ounce of evidence where JC was improving coming into the Pitt game. I will tell you what I see. Had Jano missed a FG or Ford not wrestled that int away, 99% of this blog (except for Mistic) would be all over JC for having a SF performance. On top of that, JC admitted he struggled in the first half in his own presser after the Sea game. He admitted they struggled in the whole game in the KC game. Doesnt that tell you JC was trending downward? Had you open your effin eyes you would have seen that but 1 effin pass in OT blinded you. And you refuse to admit that you got suckered.
2. I told you PItt was going to expose his a$$ because I knew they would. I saw all those flaws when you guys only see the one pass to Ford in OT. Please show me the evidence where I didnt want JC to start in Pitt. You aint got it. I dare you to find it.
I knew we’d lose to pitt but you guys thought otherwise right? We aint ready to compete with the elite when 3 weeks weeks earlier we were the worst Oline in the league. On top of that, you still have the worst QB in the league behind center as well.
But please tell me where I was wrong in my prediction for Pitt and please find where I didnt want JC to start. I wanted him to start because I wanted him to get his a$$ exposed like a fraud that he is. He is a fraud and you can’t handle the truth.
Here is some more tissue for you…..lmao!
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:32 pm
I haven’t followed college QBs much this year outside of watching SEC games but I heard Locker was having a down year. I’m not too worried if it’s INTs he’s throwing because that could mean he’s a risk taker and thinks he can beat (confidence/cockiness) any coverage. I remember Locker from a couple years ago vs LSU and he gave LSU fits with his passing.
Thinking back, Matt Ryan had an interception knock on him coming out as well. But he was that film junkie who had confidence and wanted things put on his pads.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Interesting article on Nnamdi dodging the QB question.
It’s all in perspective for me now.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:34 pm
BTW, I was the only guy with the balls to call JC a fraud during the 3 game win streak and now I see people hating his a$$ all over this board. I call that having the guts to stick with your conviction. That’s called balls when you can stand up for your own beliefs. But you wouldnt understand that would you.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:36 pm
Folks,
The Raiders are going to be one of those 3-yards and a cloud of dust teams that relies on exceptional defense.
Not developing a QB during the last 7 years is going to hurt the longer term development. The Raiders are on a path like the Vikings.
Build up the rest of the team and have a HUGE hole at QB.
Jason Campbell holds the ball way too long and takes sacks, pressures etc…His accuracy is bad.
Gradkowski gets rid of the ball. Unfotunately, his accuracy is even worse.
The Raiders have to focus on:
1. Continuing to strenthen the defense….gotta go the Ravens route!
2. Find someone to play Right Guard and Center
3. Find a legit receiver in free agency….these guys they got now are progressing at a glacial pace
Run the ball with DMAC and Bush……stop the run and play shutdown defense and hit the tight end.
I am telling you…that will be the formula for this squad.
Campbell and Gradkowski will be fringe players in the NFL next year!
I am all for giving a flyer on Carson Palmer…he’s better than the guy that looks confused and the fiery guy with no talent
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Get a tier II college QB in the late rounds or UFA and see if Hue can make him into a Tony Romo type story.
The Raiders stink at evaluating QBs. So no point in wasting a 1st or 2nd day draft pick.
Build up a boss O-Line and run the damn ball
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:39 pm
JC is not a good QB. I want him to be successful, but when I see him bounce passes on a simple swing play, or play the way he did against Pittsburgh, SF, most of the KC game, the Tennessee game, and the St. Louis game first half (before getting benched for an inability to move the offense) I think any reasonable person would have to conclude he sucks..PERIOD!
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:39 pm
I will say this about Cam Newton: He is NOT the answer for us. He can’t read defenses well and he has success as a read option QB. He can run but is not as elusive as Vick or V Young. I haven’t seen him go through his progressions. NFL defenses would destroy him.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:40 pm
I am also tired of this relief pitcher rotation we got going here.
Name Bruce the starter and just move on.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Carson Palmer definitely gets a look. Get me a vet QB that has had SOME success in the NFL
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 pm
damn aig, way to go out on a limb.
actually predicting the raiders would lose to Pitt?
whodathunkit?
lots of people know how bad JC is. Most raider fans, for that matter. you don’t see them stating it, over and over, as if it’s a revelation.
you coming back in, over and over an over to crow about being right just makes you an even bigger whiney little girl than many believed you to be.
you are..a little girl…right?
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Doesn’t Palmer lead the NFL in uncatchable throws?
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:44 pm
When we have 1st and 10 and go backwards , whether it’s a 2, 5, or 8 yd loss, the drive is over. That happens every time.
We need at least 3 yds on 1st down to have a shot at keeping the drive alive. It’s that simple folks.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Guy,
At least he throws the damn ball. Too bad the Raiders didn’t have a youngster as the #3 getting tutored right now.
Nope, Kyle Boller…another washout
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:46 pm
SnB Production Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:40 pm
I am also tired of this relief pitcher rotation we got going here.
Name Bruce the starter and just move on.
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if up to Cable, he would be.but it’s not.
up to the old man.
and the old man got JC from?
yep, his thorn in his side, Shanahan.
And al is determined to try and oneup shanahan, so he will leave him in until hell freezes over,
or until he gets back to back to back games with qb ratings of 25, or less.
being laughed at it one thing. being a laughingstock is something else, all together
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Had the offense not turned the ball over and have so many 3-outs….it would have been a game yesterday.
Every opponent going forward is going to throw the kitchen sink at stopping the running game…..and tell JC or Grads…”You beat me”
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Sammy,
I didnt see you in here proclaiming JC the fraud during hte win streak and taking shcytts from the JC lovers and JC is improving crowd. Dont talk schytt when you were no where to be found during that time.
Kinda hard to be callling others a little girl when things got rough and you were no where to be found. Who’s the little girl now?
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:48 pm
YA,
1. Please show me one ounce of evidence where JC was improving coming into the Pitt game. I will tell you what I see. Had Jano missed a FG or Ford not wrestled that int away, 99% of this blog (except for Mistic) would be all over JC for having a SF performance. On top of that, JC admitted he struggled in the first half in his own presser after the Sea game. He admitted they struggled in the whole game in the KC game. Doesnt that tell you JC was trending downward? Had you open your effin eyes you would have seen that but 1 effin pass in OT blinded you. And you refuse to admit that you got suckered.
2. I told you PItt was going to expose his a$$ because I knew they would. I saw all those flaws when you guys only see the one pass to Ford in OT. Please show me the evidence where I didnt want JC to start in Pitt. You aint got it. I dare you to find it.
I knew we’d lose to pitt but you guys thought otherwise right? We aint ready to compete with the elite when 3 weeks weeks earlier we were the worst Oline in the league. On top of that, you still have the worst QB in the league behind center as well.
But please tell me where I was wrong in my prediction for Pitt and please find where I didnt want JC to start. I wanted him to start because I wanted him to get his a$$ exposed like a fraud that he is. He is a fraud and you can’t handle the truth.
Here is some more tissue for you…..lmao!
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I actually predicted a loss at Pittsburgh. I don’t think the Raiders are going to beat the Chargers or the Colts, either. I predicted an 8-8 or 9-7 record at season’s end, much like you. This isn’t a team that has the talent to consistently compete with the elite teams in the league, and they certainly weren’t going to run the table for the rest of the season. I stated that many times last week while you were crying about Jason Campbell.
Jason Campbell posted the best performances of his career against Denver and Seattle. With him under center, the Raiders came out of the KC game with a hard-fought win and a tie for the division lead for the first time since 2002. Those performances guaranteed that JC was going to be the starter (in spite of your protests). Is he a Tom Brady-like talent? Of course not. Is he going to lead the Raiders to the Superbowl? I highly, highly doubt it. I also never said he was going to do any of those things.
You seem to be confusing my posts with those of someone else, because I never said JC could single-handedly beat Pittsburgh, or that he would continue having career games for the rest of the season. But I sure as hell wasn’t hoping for him to lose like you were. I’ve frequently posted about the Raiders still needing to find “The Guy” at the QB position, but your delusions somehow prevent you from seeing that.
On the Ford catch… what would you have done, AIG? The Raiders were out of field goal range because of a holding penalty. There were 20 seconds left in the game. Would you rather have had JC take a sack? Throw it away and have Janikowski attempt a 50+ yard FG? He threw the ball at the only receiver who had been making plays that day, and Ford rewarded him with a catch. Janikowski hit the FG. Much better teams than the Raiders have won in more ridiculous ways. It happens every week. But all of a sudden “Oh, take away those big plays and the Raiders would have lost!” Well, no kidding man.
I promised myself I wouldn’t argue anymore with a troll like you, so I don’t know why I am. Bottom line, you’re gloating in the Raiders’ defeat. It’s kind of pathetic.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:49 pm
When you put 35-3 on tape after a bye week….you got some issues to manage.
Key to beating Miami…not turning the ball over
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:50 pm
AIG,don’t waste your time.It is like banging your head against the wall.YA made the comment earlier today that it is too bad he isn’t our GM.All i have to say to that is thank god.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:50 pm
THe Ford catch and throw from JC was the right thing. These receivers are not getting open…so let them fight for the ball.
Let’s see who can play and who can’t.
DHB has to be leveraged like Calvin Johnson and others like him. Give him a chance to win 1-1…..
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Had Bruce not “injured himself” in camp…we would have had a proper competition.
So, once again, two flawed backup level QBs with a starting job in the NFL.
Run the BAll!
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Raiders definitely need to draft a center. Hopefully Pouncey or Wiz’s nephew will be there when the Raiders pick. If not, and a stud WR is there, I wouldn’t be opposed to the Raiders putting off the C pick until the 3rd round (kid from USC, maybe?). I have a feeling Michael Floyd is going to slip into the late second round, but we’ll see.
Also would not mind seeing Al draft a CB in the third round. Routt and Johnson’s performances are too inconsistent for my liking. One inconsistent CB can be covered up with good safety play. Two is a problem. Hopefully McFadden and Ware continue to progress, as well.
RT like Jared Gaither or Tyson Clabo in FA.
RG like Harvey Dahl in FA, or in the later rounds of the draft (Christ Stewart from ND, for instance).
Seymour, Huff, Gallery, Bush, and possibly Routt should be resigned.
Then there’s the QB question. Kaepernick might be around in the 6th or 7th round, and it would be nice to have a developmental prospect for Hue, Tollner, and Hackett to work with.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
The Key to Victory:
3rd down efficiency
Red Zone effieiency
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
1. Still waiting for evidence of JC improving coming into the Pitt game.
2. Still waiting for evidence that I didnt want JC to start in Pitt.
3. What’s really pathetic is seeing you calling me a Raider faker when I spoke the truth.
I’m not gloating. I’m throwing it your effin face and you and AB Paine absolutely deserved it.
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
With Andy Luck and Jake Locker gone in the lst round, Cam Newton from Auburn and Pat Devlin from Delaware probably will be there early in the 2nd round. We can still get center and guard help in the 3rd round. Hue Jackson did a nice job developing another Q from Delaware. I think his name is Joe Flacco.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:00 pm
There was never going to be a competition coming into this season. Al Davis already predicted JC the next Plunkett. I love Al Davis but he puts his foot in his mouth too often. We have to live with the consequence of it.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:01 pm
You’re right, AIG. The rest of us should have cried all week about how the Raiders don’t have Tom Brady at QB. That would have been a much better use of our time.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Carson Palmer would just be the latest in an undistinguished list rejects trying to salvage a Raider Passing game.
Which, by most measures is out of his control anyway.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:03 pm
No way C.Newton.We need a QB,not a RB who is trying to play QB.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:03 pm
What has been wrong with Routt’s play this year? The only games he had problems in were SD and that one play in KC, and we won both of those games.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:04 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
With Andy Luck and Jake Locker gone in the lst round, Cam Newton from Auburn and Pat Devlin from Delaware probably will be there early in the 2nd round. We can still get center and guard help in the 3rd round. Hue Jackson did a nice job developing another Q from Delaware. I think his name is Joe Flacco.
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Just read up a little on Pat Devlin. Good call, interesting prospect. I’ll have to watch him play sometime soon.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:05 pm
If you culd get VY to grow the hell up he would be the one I would want the most obviously outside of Mike Vick.
VY has quit on his team several times an dhas show a lack of maturity bordering on Russell he needs to understand that no matter what he cannot allow his teammates to see him turn his back on them in any way. And he’s done it TWICE!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:07 pm
# lefty12 Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:03 pm
No way C.Newton.We need a QB,not a RB who is trying to play QB.
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I don’t know. A guy who is completing 70% of his passes for over 10 yards per attempt, 21 TD’s, 6 ints, for the number two team in the nation? Who also has size and mobility? Playing in arguably the nations best conference? Seems like a good choice to me.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:07 pm
if calling a spade a spade is crying then so be it. It’s a whole lot better than hyping up a guy only to have him get his a$$ handed to him…as predicted by yours truly.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:09 pm
# Guy Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:03 pm
What has been wrong with Routt’s play this year? The only games he had problems in were SD and that one play in KC, and we won both of those games.
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His play has definitely improved this year, but I want to see how he finishes out the season. I’m not completely convinced yet.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Pat Devlin should be an excellent pro Q prospect. The guy who I wish we could pry off the Tampon Bay roster is Josh Johnson. Dude is a poor mans Mike Vick. He started four games for a BAD Tampon Bay team last year and did not do well. Kid has serious game. Plus he’s from Oakland.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Watup Lefty
I’m done settling some scores from the schytt they gave last week. I just have a hard time reading the over reaction from the same guys that over hyped the week before.
You go to the game Lefty? I’ll be there for the Denver game.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:13 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Pat Devlin should be an excellent pro Q prospect. The guy who I wish we could pry off the Tampon Bay roster is Josh Johnson. Dude is a poor mans Mike Vick. He started four games for a BAD Tampon Bay team last year and did not do well. Kid has serious game. Plus he’s from Oakland.
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I’ve actually mentioned Josh Johnson here before as a guy I’d like the Raiders to take a look at. Wouldn’t be a bad signing for a #3 guy if the Raiders don’t find anyone they like in the draft.
We’ll get a good look at Tyler Thigpen next week. He’s been decent enough for some really awful teams (’08 Chiefs for instance), so who knows. He has decent mobility and a pretty good arm, but I don’t know about his accuracy or decision making.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 5:02 pm
I think Grads can get it done.
Give the guy a (legitimate) shot. The offense clearly functions better when he’s in there.
Take Sunday for example. Probably Grads’ worst performance as a Raider and it was just about as good as some of Campbell’s best. Factor in that we were on the road and already down by 3 TDs against a ferocious defense late in the 3rd quarter by the time Grads’ number was called. Oh, and that he had missed several weeks with an injury and was coming into an almost impossible situation, cold. Still, he had a nice drive going before throwing the bad pick.
Campbell is decent when he has about 4-5 seconds to survey the field and throw the ball with no one in his face. Grads is our only option to make something out of nothing, keep plays alive, and make the quick reads to get the ball down field and fit into tight spaces.
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Chris, I thought I was the only poster left here that still thinks Grads can get it done.
Nice to know at least one person agrees.
JFB (formerly VR) used to be Grad’s biggest supporter, now he’ll say Bruce is better than JaJason, but not much more.
AIG is the most vehement and persistent in reminding this blog that JaJason sucks. But I don’t know what his thoughts are about Grads being a long term answer are.
You’s have to be Stevie Wonder not to conclude that JaJason sucks. If he’s not the WORST starter in the NFL, I’d like to know who is.
I don’t know with certainty that Grads can be the long term answer at QB, although I still think he can be. I can understand giving up on Grads if you think he’s too fragile to stay on the field, but I still haven’t seen a JaMoron or JaJason like performance that would lead me to think he CAN’T get it done if healthy.
Continuing to start JaJason is pure folly.
There’s absolutely no doubt that if the Raids have any hope of making the playoffs this year that Grads must start.
It’s also essential to see what Grads can do in order to know where the Raids stand moving forward.
Al Davis, you’ve done a nice job bringing in new players and turning this club around. Don’t screw this season and the future up by not admitting JaJason isn’t the next Plunk.
Tom Cable, if you truly make the QB call, then make the right one. You were correct when you declared Grads (when healthy) the unquestioned starter. The only reason to go back on this is if Bruce still isn’t 100% or close to it.
JaJason is a complete turd and can not be part of this team’s future.
Grads outperforms JaJason every chance he gets. Give this team a chance to make the playoffs this year and let’s find out if Grads has a chance to be a guy to move forward with.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 pm
I’d take a long look at the kid from Nevada. Locker scares me he just doesn’t dominate at the collegiate level like he should. I would take a look at Case Keenam from Houston as well. Cam Newton may be forced to come out this year if so YOU absolutely have to consider him see if he throw the route tree accurately. See how well he picks up offenses and how well he understands defenses because if those are there he might sit for a year but my god that kid is scaaarrry. That is a LOAD and a half to have to deal with I think if I liked what I saw in his proday and personal workout I’d take him no doubt…………….hell yeah!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Josh Johnson could be a very very good pro Q in my mind. Plus he can just take off ala Vick and no one is going to catch him. I think he languishes on Tampon Bays bench until the Jason Freeman experiment ends.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 pm
So whats the “nickname” of the RAIDERS offense?????
Did someone call it Campbells soldiers??
LMFAO!! How bout the Black Pop Gun.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:21 pm
AIG, I like how you keep saying I overhyped JC or the Raiders when I’ve said many times over the course of the season that JC isn’t the long-term answer at QB, and said multiple times last week that the Raiders would more than likely drop the Pittsburgh game.
The Raiders are an improved team from last year, but not ready to compete with the elite teams in this league.
JC is one of two below-average QBs on the roster, who just so happened to earn a start in Pittsburgh since the Raiders won their three biggest games since 2002 with him at the helm.
And yet, you can do is call Campbell childish names and “predict that the team will lose to one of the best teams in the league (Astounding prediction! How’d you reach that conclusion, Merlin?), while actively hoping the QB plays poorly so you can be “right”.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:22 pm
If the Raiders draft a Q early in the 2011 draft, it would be nice for that player to sit and watch for awhile. But the fans are not going to like that.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Nickname for the Raiders Offense?? How’s about Campbells Chicken Soup?
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:25 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:22 pm
If the Raiders draft a Q early in the 2011 draft, it would be nice for that player to sit and watch for awhile. But the fans are not going to like that.
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Yeah, that’s probably the biggest downside of drafting a QB high. If the QB you have isn’t getting it done, the pressure mounts to put the kid in. The fact is, the vast majority of QBs are better when they’re not immediately thrown into the fire. Even a half of a season on the bench does a rookie QB a world of good sometimes.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:30 pm
aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Sammy,
I didnt see you in here proclaiming JC the fraud during hte win streak and taking shcytts from the JC lovers and JC is improving crowd. Dont talk schytt when you were no where to be found during that time.
Kinda hard to be callling others a little girl when things got rough and you were no where to be found. Who’s the little girl now?
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great.
you miss the whole point.
why aren’t I surprised?
First off, little girl, I’ve called out JC since day one, long before, and during the momentary win streak. also posted his horrendous ratings when others were cheering the fact the team won.
LMAO at your silly “when things got rough”. when did things get rough? it’s a blog, little girl.
Here, let me update things for you. You were wrong for 3 weeks in a row, and finally team lost and you are crowing, day after day.
makes u look weak, pathetic, and yes, feminine
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Raiderman,
I try not to use Grad in my posts because the JC fan club jumps all over it as the only evidence of me thinking that JC sucks. I try to leave Bruce out and stick with the facts of how awful JC was, is, and will be.
Since you ask, I find it very frustrating to see people question Bruce’s ability. For example:
1. Vittorio asked on his tweet that “could Bruce have made that 47 yd throw to Ford in OT”. I tweeted back to him that Bruce’s bomb to Murph in Pitt last year went for 49 yds in the air for a 75 yd TD. It was so stupid to me to see a writer covering the Raiders not knowing that fact.
2. People continually asks whether Bruce can do better when all the evidence in the world has shown that his worst game as a starter is a 17 point loss to Dallas. It was hardly a Giants, Jets, Tenn, SF, KC or Pitt performance by either JC or JR. Morever, he was raking in 20+ first downs per game and avg 24 points per game this year even before the emergence of Veldheer/Oline and DMAC’s rushing domination for those 3 games.
I dont have a track record to say that Bruce is going to be a bonafided QB in this league. I do have the track record to say that Bruce is by far the best QB on our current roster affecting our current season. We can’t say 100% how Bruce would have done in the 3 game win streak because he was not in there. I do know 100% sure that Bruce outplayed JC in the same games with the same opponent and supporting staff. The evidence in the SF preseason game and STL reg season game convinced me as much.
I’d like to see him given more opps and I believe he will be. It’s a matter of time before JC is yanked again and for good. I believe it wont be long before the crowd boo his a$$ off on Sunday.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:35 pm
I don’t know. A guy who is completing 70% of his passes for over 10 yards per attempt, 21 TD’s, 6 ints, for the number two team in the nation? Who also has size and mobility? Playing in arguably the nations best conference? Seems like a good choice to me.
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This is the same rationale people had for drafting Tebow isn’t it?
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:35 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:22 pm
If the Raiders draft a Q early in the 2011 draft, it would be nice for that player to sit and watch for awhile. But the fans are not going to like that.
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I know. let’s sign him, let him sit for a full year, then put him in, even if he comes in fat and out of shape, and doesn’t know the playbook. then watch him get worse, next couple of years. maybe even being the worst qb in the league.
oh wait.
already tried that.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Lots of talk about UNR’s Colin Kaepernick, and his pro potential.
I live in Reno and have seen alot of his games.
At his best, he’s a poor man’s Vince Young.
He’s tall and lanky, runs very well, has a big arm with a long awkward delivery.
Needs to improve his ball security if he has any chance of success at the next level. (See his fumble against Hawaii this year, and other times he has been stripped as evidence. I once also saw him use the hand in which he was holding the ball in order to try to keep his balance and not go down on a scramble. He didn’t go down, but he left the ball behind !)
Hard to tell if he can make the transition. At UNR he’s bolstered by a great running game. Hasn’t been required or asked to make the second and third reads a QB must make at the next level.
Accuracy is spotty, but at times makes very difficult throws look easy. Can definitely throw those tough intermediate sideline outs and deep ball.
In short, the kid has the tools to be a good NFL QB, but he’s definitely a project.
Worth a shot in the mid rounds.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 pm
How come the Raiders have the top speed in the league and you RARELY ever see it displayed? Instead we get to see Mike Wallace run wild and the announcer says “well you just can’t stop that kind of speed”. Yet we have DHB, FORD, et al. and do almost NOTHING with it. Here we have these weapons that “you just can’t stop”, yet no one would ever know it. Something’s wrong with this picture.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
I think we will win every game except the Dolphins game. Yes, our opponents are in great shape , but I have a feeling of a wild card year this year.
November 25th, 2010 at 11:40 am
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