Jarvis Moss to replace Scott?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, November 23rd, 2010 at 8:51 pm in Oakland Raiders.
According to what appears to be a registered Twitter account for former Denver Broncos first-round draft pick Jarvis Moss, the Raiders have their answer to Trevor Scott’s season-ending ACL injury.
A message on the registered account of JMossVsJarvis says: “So it’s official! I’m an Oakland Raider! God is good thank him.”
Of course, nothing is really official until the Raiders say it is. And until Scott is placed on injured reserve, creating a spot on the roster, moves that could be announced when the club convenes Wednesday to begin preparing to face the Miami Dolphins.
Scott is a former first-round draft pick, the No. 17 overall selection out of Florida in 2007. He never exhibited the pass rush skills the Broncos expected and he was waived last week with 3.5 career sacks, going unclaimed.
The Web site Broncotalk includes former teammates responding to Moss signing with Oakland.
If Moss indeed comes aboard, that means Quentin Groves will could remain a weakside linebacker instead of switching back to defensive end, a position he played ineffectively in Jacksonville.
Moss wouldn’t be the first player to break news of being a Raider on Twitter. Groves did the same thing after being traded from Jacksonville.
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November 23rd, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Another classic AD move. AD loves to collect former first rounders.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Now this guy is a bum. he’s had chances and hasn’t done a dman thing. If they can use him as a hybrid maybe but as a DE forget it.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Hilarious.
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:58 pm
You can thank God, but just go play the game.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Get Mike Waufle to turn him into something. Then let’s trade him for Josh Johnson once Trev Scott is healthy again.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:07 pm
I was hoping for former Saint Bobby McCray, but I suppose this will do. He’s just a change of pace guy, and hopefully Mike Waufle can work with him.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:09 pm
aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Sammy,
I didnt see you in here proclaiming JC the fraud during hte win streak and taking shcytts from the JC lovers and JC is improving crowd. Dont talk schytt when you were no where to be found during that time.
Kinda hard to be callling others a little girl when things got rough and you were no where to be found. Who’s the little girl now?
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great.
you miss the whole point.
why aren’t I surprised?
First off, little girl, I’ve called out JC since day one, long before, and during the momentary win streak. also posted his horrendous ratings when others were cheering the fact the team won.
LMAO at your silly “when things got rough”. when did things get rough? it’s a blog, little girl.
Here, let me update things for you. You were wrong for 3 weeks in a row, and finally team lost and you are crowing, day after day.
makes u look weak, pathetic, and yes, feminine
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 pm
still waiting for you to explain how “things got rough” lol
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:11 pm
Sammythebullschytter,
I noticed that you went back to your question but avoided my response so I’ll post again.
9.aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Sammythe Bullschytter,
Please show me where I was wrong 3 weeks in a row. If you gonna call me out, pls man up and show something other than blab blab blab
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Not many options left this late in the season. Low mileage on him, i gyess. Maybe Seymour can slap some game into him.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
I was also hoping for Bobby McCray but I guess this’ll do for now. At least Moss should be in better game shape than McCray since he’s been playing (oops I mean on active roster) all year. McCray woulda been coming off the street playing basketball pick up games and working out at Anytime Fitness.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:17 pm
For the past two years Moss has been seriously miscast in McDaniels’ offense. Hopefully moving back to a 4-3 DE will jumpstart his career.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 pm
One thing about McCray though, he was one of the most scary and imposing looking dudes you ever wanna see in front of you. Looks like a burnt Monkey’s ass. Kinda sorta like Tyrone Hill who used to play for the Sixers and Cavs.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Sammy,
Are you in need of attention?
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 pm
McDaniels’ defense*
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 pm
don’t go wishywashy on me, aig.
point was you come on here each and every day, crowing that you called a loss. yeah, you are actually proud of yourself that you predicted a loss.
that’s not as bad as you strutting like a peacock, so proud. over and over and over.
most picked pitt to win. wasn’t a stretch.
except in your little mind.
and seriously, you want me to post something from each week, where you mouthed off how JC wouldn’t get the job done?
really? you think that would be hard?
you’ll just tuck tail, like after those 3 weeks where you were wrong.
don’t get confused. point is you look like a pansy running off your mouth that you FINALLY predicted a loss.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Uh oh.
Another Raider whose first name starts with Ja.
I don’t like this guy already !
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 pm
AIG, of course you’re correct. Grads has always noticeably outperformed JaJason. JaJason sucks. Period.
It’s very unfortunate that we’re in the position of having to wait once again for yet more proof that JaJason sucks.
You’re right, he is going to get pulled again. Problem is it’s probably going to wind up costing us a game we might win with Grads starting and a shot at the playoffs.
JFB, huge props to you for being one of the first of Grad’s supporters and warning that JaJason stinks. Your prediction that JaJason would be yanked at halftime of the Rams game for Grads, was one of the greatest calls in blogging history. It was like you wrote the script.
Just thought you got off the Grads bandwagon a little bit lately and have given up on him.
I still haven’t seen a reason to throw Grads under the bus.
Injured due to his inexperience, being too gung ho and own stupidity. Didn’t take the time-out in Az. Thrown into a bad situation and rusty and perhaps still not 100% in Pitt. Definitely too hurt to start against SD.
Those are the negatives and ‘regressions’ I’ve seen this year.
But not enough for me to give up on Grads just yet.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 pm
aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Sammy,
Are you in need of attention?
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if what you mean is do I like picking on little girls?
ya, guess I do.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Tyrone Hill…wow you’re going way back. Man I miss those Run TMC days. Tim Hardaway had the best crossover combo I ever saw. Stupid Don Nelson trading away Mitch Richmond for a hyped draft pick. Billy Owens never lived up to his Magic Johnson hype did he.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Doesn’t look like the coaches feel Goethel is ready to be a starter just yet.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Sammy,
You gonna man up and show the proof where I was wrong for 3 weeks or you gonna STFU?
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:24 pm
McCray is done. His back is toast.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:24 pm
JaMoron, Javon, JaJason.
Hope Jarvis doesn’t continue the ‘Ja’ trend around here lately.
We can use guys like ‘Ja’ck Tatum though.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Another Raider whose first name starts with Ja.
I don’t like this guy already !
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Could be worse…his name could be JaJarvis. I’m sure there is a kid being named that as we speak.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Raiderman,
I actually thought Grad this year did better than last year. The O had more rythm this year as evidenced by the 20+ first downs. Sometimes it’s jsut as important to move the ball as scoring. You move the ball and you allow your D to stay fresh while limiting the other offense to have more plays and time of possession. Against Indy, Grad will have to keep the ball moving or else Peyton will kill us. We need to keep the ball out of Peyton’s hands.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:28 pm
You sound desperate now, aig.
first you state I wasn’t around. I was.
then state I didn’t state how JC sucks. I did.
I stated you sound like a whiney ass little girl, strutting around so proud of yourself that you finally were right. I was dead on, again.
and now all you have is “go post how i was wrong”?
tell you what. I’ll do just that, after you cop to the fact you do, in deed, sound like a whiney ass little girl, acting so proud you predicted a loss to Pitt.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:29 pm
I see Grads in by halftime against Miami.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Just read this.
Sounds familiar, somehow.
YoungAmerican Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:21 pm
AIG, I like how you keep saying I overhyped JC or the Raiders when I’ve said many times over the course of the season that JC isn’t the long-term answer at QB, and said multiple times last week that the Raiders would more than likely drop the Pittsburgh game.
The Raiders are an improved team from last year, but not ready to compete with the elite teams in this league.
JC is one of two below-average QBs on the roster, who just so happened to earn a start in Pittsburgh since the Raiders won their three biggest games since 2002 with him at the helm.
And yet, you can do is call Campbell childish names and “predict that the team will lose to one of the best teams in the league (Astounding prediction! How’d you reach that conclusion, Merlin?), while actively hoping the QB plays poorly so you can be “right”.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Sammy,
if you gonna call a man out for being “wrong for 3 weeks” and call him a little girl, then make sure you back it up ok. This is only a blog. I’m sure behind that keyboard you are hercules and ready to be the next rambo. We’re only as good as our words on here.
Still waiting for proof of how I was “wrong for 3 weeks”.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Can’t get a word in edgewise tonight.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
what sucks is we’re stuck with campbell, even with his horrible qb ratings, and bad play.
it’s al.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Moss Hmmmmm… This could be a real good thing.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I guess you aint got schytt to back up your claims. Thanks for playing.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:34 pm
aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Raiderman,
I try not to use Grad in my posts because the JC fan club jumps all over it as the only evidence of me thinking that JC sucks. I try to leave Bruce out and stick with the facts of how awful JC was, is, and will be.
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Aig, that 100% correct.
Just cause Grads is not a great QB, or even a good QB it doesn’t mean J. Campbell is any good. Thay are both garbage.
Campblee would be MUCH better if he had a awesome O-line, but he don’t so he sucks. Grads can think faster so he should be the QB of this team.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:34 pm
I told you, little girl, it’s easy to paste your incessant whinings.
first, the following:
You sound desperate now, aig.
first you state I wasn’t around. I was.
then state I didn’t state how JC sucks. I did.
I stated you sound like a whiney ass little girl, strutting around so proud of yourself that you finally were right. I was dead on, again.
and now all you have is “go post how i was wrong”?
tell you what. I’ll do just that, after you cop to the fact you do, in deed, sound like a whiney ass little girl, acting so proud you predicted a loss to Pitt.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
hey, it’s not a secret. everyone knows you sound like a whineass little girl, so, just cop to it, and I’ll rub your other words in your face, just for fun.
I promise.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:36 pm
The only thing that will resolve the quarterback dispute for this year, sorry to say, is a season ending injury to one or the other.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:36 pm
C’mon Aig, I’m over here hittin the refresh button to read some new ish and you go recycling this beef with Sammy. Let it go dude. Let’s talk about this Moss cat and what he can do for us.
Actually I hope ShoNasty gets in there and doesn’t come off the field.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Shonuff needs to take the next step and be a full time starter the rest of the year.
Where is J. Richardson???
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Where is J. Richardson???
Seahawks signed him. I’m curious to see if Moss can help. Should be fresh with something to prove, I hope.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 pm
504,
Sorry bro. That idiot jumped into the conversation and he’s prob another troll on here. I ordered my Shonasty jersey yesterday. I think the kid will be a star in this league. He plays both the run and pass well.
Something tells me Moss will have better numbers here because he will benefit from playing with a better Dline.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Just cause Grads is not a great QB, or even a good QB it doesn’t mean J. Campbell is any good. Thay are both garbage.
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It’s duuuurrrrr-ty!
Your last statement hits the nail on the head.
They are BOTH average at best = GARBAGE when the Oline isn’t at it’s best.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:43 pm
The depth of DE at the start of the season was too thin
This looks like a lucky break. Moss back to DE in a 4-3 could be 4 real.
So now who plays on 3rd down? Shonuff or Moss?
My guess is Shonuff plays every snap he can be effective on.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 pm
bruce should start period. We need our best qb option if we want the playoffs. with the steeler disaster, it gives cable a chance to pull the hook on cambell in the near future
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:45 pm
42.aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 pm
504,
Something tells me Moss will have better numbers here because he will benefit from playing with a better Dline.
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Agreed! Wow Aig, thats twice in one night,
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Too lazy to Google – anybody got the height-weight-speed stats on Moss at their fingertips.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Seriously, Bruce Campbell needs to see some action @ RG
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
AIG,
You have been wrong all season telling us how much better Gardowski is that Camplunkett.
They BOTH can’t do anything to elevate the team’s weaknesses.
BS that you try and leave Gardowski outta your posts. EVERYONE knows that he’s “your guy” and you want him starting.
Pittsburgh game, Gardowski has a decent opening drive that ends in a frickin pick. He proceeds to do NADA with the same team, same oline, same opponent.
You’re really telling us Gardowski played better this year than last? LMFAO! You need to take some clues from the original Gardowski supporter JFB.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Barring multiple injuries, I don’t see BCampbell seeing any playing time this year. If he does, it means we’ve lost five in a row and that would not make any of us happy.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:49 pm
47.I am Spartacus Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Too lazy to Google – anybody got the height-weight-speed stats on Moss at their fingertips.
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Position: Defensive End
School: Florida
Status: Junior
Height: 6-6
Weight: 260
40-Yard Dash: 4.76 (EST)
Positives:
Jarvis Moss’ biggest asset is his quickness. He gets off the ball very fast and can consistently beat offensive tackles to the outside. He plays with good leverage, which maximizes his strength, and has good ability to change direction and closes quickly on the quarterback.
At 6-6, Moss has good height for a defensive end, and he does a great job of getting his hands up to cut off throwing lanes. He also has the speed to run down ball carriers from behind.
Negatives:
At about 260 pounds, Moss is undersized for a 4-3 defensive end, and could have problems matching up against the run in the NFL. He’s not going to overpower many blockers. Even at the college level, he had trouble shedding blocks once offensive linemen got their hands on him.
Moss also has some minor character and durability concerns, but neither are enough to warrant much of a fall in the draft.
Overview:
Jarvis Moss is a guy who probably would have benefited from another year in college. He will need to add some bulk at the next level, but fortunately he has the frame to do so without losing much of his quickness and agility. Teams will be attracted by his ability as a speed rusher, and he should be picked up anywhere from the final third of the first round to the top half of the second round.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
I am Spartacus Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:29 pm
I see Grads in by halftime against Miami.
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nope.
did you see how fast al got to cable after the game?
by the pc cable already knew to say JC was starting next week.
that was al’s doing.
cable is just the messenger
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Bruce Campbell can’t possibly be any worse than Carlisle!
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:51 pm
J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
AIG,
You have been wrong all season telling us how much better Gardowski is that Camplunkett.
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odd.
I just stated that to the young lady, and all she keeps saying is ’show me’.
short memory span is important when you can’t back up your words.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Looks like Moss is about 6′6.5″ 255lbs 4.65 40 in 2007
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:52 pm
53.J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Bruce Campbell can’t possibly be any worse than Carlisle!
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WORD!!
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Hill,
Tell you what. I have intentionally ignored your posts and there’s a reason for that. I have accepted that I can’t have a reasonable debate with you.
For example, you said JC could have done with Bruce did in STL. Ok, so I ask you why didnt he? You came back with “I dont want to play the coulda woulda shoulda game”. If so, then why did you started out by asking me to compare JC and Bruce’s play by play in STL and said JC could have done it?
This is just one of many examples that I have experienced so it’s best we move on.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Sammy, please stop trolling. It’s obvious you’re AB Paine. frickin Coward.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:54 pm
What we Gradkowski supporters like about him is his grit and determination. He got hurt because he played tough. We can’t stomach Canpmbell’s passivity and lack of leadership. Better to fail spectacularly occasionally while giving it all you’ve got than to be consistently sub-mediocre.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
J Hill Says:
They are BOTH average at best = GARBAGE when the Oline isn’t at it’s best.
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sad, but true.
Grad a Hefty 50 lb bag.
JC comes in at a 60 lb bag of garbage.
The Grads have it
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Wonder if Moss will have a Chris Clemons type season here. Got good speed and size to be a 3rd down rushing specialist.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Thanks for the stats Raccoon. Has the frame to add 10-15 pounds of muscle.
For the record, I want to see BCampbell play, too. But he must be really progressing slowly not to be seeing any action at all.
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Good Job Aig.
You kept the lamp of sanity burning for a while. I could never do it (Thanksgiving).
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:59 pm
aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Hill,
Tell you what. I have intentionally ignored your posts and there’s a reason for that. I have accepted that I can’t have a reasonable debate with you.
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LOL!
I don’t think I’ve posted anything to you in a while, and you CERTAINLY have not been ignoring my posts.
You mentioned that shoulda woulda coulda stuff in your last post to me, and I actually ignored it as possible confusion with another poster. But since you bring it up again, he didn’t do it because he was pulled out of the game, lol. The same way we had damn near no pts at halftime and we came back to win that game is how.
I think it’s HILARIOUS that you said you try and leave Gardowski outta your posts, yada, yada.
Well most peope who shoot down your Gardowski madness CLEARLY tell you they are not JC supporters, but just because we have some negative comments towards your boy Gardowski, we are JC fans. LMFAO!
By the way, does reasonable debate = agreeing with you?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:00 pm
61.aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Wonder if Moss will have a Chris Clemons type season here. Got good speed and size to be a 3rd down rushing specialist.
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Good question, good point.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm
aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Sammy, please stop trolling. It’s obvious you’re AB Paine. frickin Coward.
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shut the hell up, you whiney little girl.
You opened your mouth.
I shut it.
deal with it.
like it or not, I was dead on. since the game you run around like a sniveling little girl.
Yah, i know, it stings.
too bad, little girl. Next time you rush to sprout off, I’ll remind you about your pretty little purse.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm
What we Gradkowski supporters like about him is his grit and determination.
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I can appreciate that, but it doesn’t translate to production on the field.
Start the kid for all I care, but he is going to need an upgrade on the Oline and WRs just like the other scrub we have does.
Defense keeps teams at 17 or less, Gardowski can certainly QB this team.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 pm
43.J Hill Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Just cause Grads is not a great QB, or even a good QB it doesn’t mean J. Campbell is any good. Thay are both garbage.
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It’s duuuurrrrr-ty!
Your last statement hits the nail on the head.
They are BOTH average at best = GARBAGE when the Oline isn’t at it’s best.
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The question is what do we do about it? Draft a QB? Sign a FA?
My guess is BOTH. He!! draft two if you have to, sign two FA also. JUST FIND A D@M QB ALREADY. This team can do GREAT things with better O-line play/players and a REAL QB.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Defense keeps teams at 17 or less, Gardowski can certainly QB this team.
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How bout 35?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Hill,
Here you go bro. I dont mistake you for another poster. I got your schytt right in my back pocket. I’ll let the other posters on here judge you on your own merits. btw, remember that 4th and 1. JC inherited it on STL’s 25 yd line after a JLH punt return and failed to convert into a first down/point as well as failed to call a timeout when they had the wrong formation in there. So was JC playing better and not the stiff I made him out to be against Pitt? haahahahahahahahahahahah
1. J Hill Says:
November 11th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Why didnt JC produce more than 3 points or at least match with Bruce did in the first half? You said any QB could have done it right? It was the same game, same player, and same opponent
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Sorry for the delay, lol.
I’m just looking at the play by play and flow of the game man. It’s hard to review this with you since we can’t look at the plays together and your just going off memory.
If you recall, there was a failed 4th and 1 attempt inside the 5 yd line. That coulda should woulda been points.
The point is, you saying you thought the Stl game was Grads’ best game this year. There is no arguing that on 2 of the scoring drives, Jason Campbell could have very well done the same thing.
Why didn’t he do it in the first half of the game? What does that matter? He didn’t “do it” in the first half of the KC game and we won it in the 2nd half.
I too called for JC to be benched. It was right after that slide 2 yds short of the first down. With that said, I can simply admit that he is playing better. Perfect? Above average? Maybe not, but he is certainly not the stiff you make him out to be, lol.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 pm
1. JC inherited it on STL’s 25 yd line after a JLH punt return and failed to convert into a first down/point as well as failed to call a timeout when they had the wrong formation in there. So was JC playing better and not the stiff I made him out to be against Pitt? haahahahahahahahahahahah
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See what I mean?
All this JC stuff when the topic was Gardowski not being any good.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:13 pm
In addition to Moss not making the grade physically, he also briefly said he lost interest in football, but did come back last year. That may have had a lot to do with his lack of production.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:16 pm
While you didnt deny you were not AB Paine…Booyahhh……..with that I bid you guys a good nite…..
C’mon AB Paine come out and play and stop trolling….You only predicted this below.
1. A.B. Paine III Says:
November 14th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Aig, I see your still crying about Campbell. Campbell will lead the Raiders to the playoffs, Grads will be playing in the UFL in two years.
1. A.B. Paine III Says:
November 14th, 2010 at 11:03 am
PurpleDrank, Campbell is going to be our QB for the next ten seasons.
1. A.B. Paine III Says:
November 15th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Campbell will throw for 400 yrds against the Steelers. Raiders 30, Steelers 27
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:17 pm
The point is, you saying you thought the Stl game was Grads’ best game this year.
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LMFAO!
Just like whenever we were “debating” the stuff you posted above ….
The topic was YOU stating that Gardowski’s best game and you wanted to “do a misdirection” and talk about JC.
Like I said last week, it’s unfortunate that all you have to go on is your memory instead of being able to rewatch the game and discuss it. Like you just asking me about the Pittsburgh game. Can we REALLY discuss it? I have the game to look at RIGHT NOW. How about you?
Tell me how Campbell looked on the first drive?
Tell me about Walker not blocking Woodley and us ending up with a 2nd and 18? Tell me about Hue running the ball on that 2nd and 18?
How about Murphy’s fumble?
How about Ford’s two drops that would have been first downs?
Cmon man, do you REALLY want to do this?
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Who cares who plays defensive end?
If you don’t blitz, you lose.
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:20 pm
Moss = another Boneheaded Oaktown Villian???
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Jhill
He’s crying now you’e picking on Gradkowski. He’s throwing things as well as a tantrum. He loves Gradkowski as if he’s gt some kind of magic potion.
Both those guy’s have a long way to go, however I think Campbell can play well if we play well around him. I think he can get us to next great QB if we protect him. And there are some potential great ones looming. If we just don’t get caught up in these two guy’s.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:42 pm
they were talking about Cam Newton and us possibly having an opportunity to get him. Man I would do cartwheels thinking about the possibilities of what that kid can do. No he’s not a pure passer and myabe never will be. But that doesn’t mean he can’t be a very effective passer at a high level. I think he can be as good a passer as McNabb in time and when you add the ability to get out in openfield and run with that TE’s body and WR speed it is mind boggling what he could do in this league. He’s bigger than Tim Tebow and faster than every other QB in this league besides Vick.
November 23rd, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Come on,man,we have enough running backs and that is all Newton is-a RB.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:23 am
Lefty12
I don’t think that’s a fair assesment at all. I watch the kid quite a bit and he can throw a lot beter than that. He has good touch and he’s accurate, yu have to be fair and assess his talent beyond what they ask him to do. Not to get on a white black thing at all but sometimes because black QB’s can run well the college coaches lean on that to much. Then they become typecaste. Is he Payton Manning no. Is he NFL ready in terms of a prosystem not close.
But Alex Smith wasn’t as good a passer as he is, plaus the kid is ultra-competitive. He can throw the ball very well they just don’t ask him to.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:31 am
For instance Mike Vick was used the same way, in college they tld him to run because he outran everybody. But if you took the time to really watch him throw he was extremely accurate and had an extremely strong arm but he wuld run for mre yards than he passed for almost every game. If they had taken him and put great Rec’s around him and tld him Mike the only way you run is if these guy’s are all covered he would’ve set passing records. But they didn’t because he ran a 4.2 40 and ran like a jack rabbit n ne could touch him. So they under coach him and he doesn’t learn the passing game like he should’ve.
They’re doing the same thing to Cam Newton, that kid is a very good passer but he rarely does it. because he’s 250 and runs a 4.4 40 they just tell him pull it down and run. Who can stop him?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Still going round in circles with the QB debate.
BHP,do we really want to draft another QB and
see if he can get us going,point is,can we wait
that long?
After looking like we are finally turning things around is a quick fix the option?Both QBs we have are not the long term(or short)answer.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:34 am
Re-Jarvis moss,why not pick him up,we need a player for that position,better than playing someone out of position again.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:37 am
Priest,I have to disagree.I’ve watched him a lot also-they are on TV almost every week.I don’t see the accuracy at all.Plus the announcers for the SEC games,who are as biased as you can get,have said he isn’t an accurate passer.Also,he isn’t required to make the reads he will have to make at the next level.Will he be able to at some point-possibly,but we really have no idea.If we were to take him late in the draft,he’d be a good gamble.But I don’t believe we can afford the gamble if we need to take him early.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:55 am
Lefty12
OK what is his completion %? and why is it so high?
as far as us waiting for another young QB we wouldn’t be waiting in the same sense as before. I believe Campbell and Grads can hold down the fort until a young guy is ready.
Campbell isn’t nearly as bad as people want to make him out to be. I’m starting to see good signs from him in the last 4 games. If he continues to improve I think he is a capable fill-in.
Where Cam is cncerned I’ve watched the guy play from behind and he does it very well IMO he’s a much better passer than Tebow was and is. I watched McNabb in college and he was similar to Cam but maybe a stronger arm. But they let him throw it a lot more. If you could see Cam another year in college I think you would change your mind. He is very early in his development as a QB I think he can be very good if not great.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:57 am
Priest,the things you mention above are exactly why I wouldn’t draft him.I wouldn’t take anyone who played in the college spread offense-too many question marks.I want a guy who is trained at being a QB.Not many of those spread off. QBs are successful in the NFL,and not one of them has won the big game.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:01 am
Draft Ryan Mallet.
Superbowl.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:03 am
Lefty12
They all play in a spread offense, Kevin Kolb and Sam Bradford played in it. So did Stafford and Colt McCoy, if you don’t ant a QB form the spread you wont be getting a QB because aside from Andrew Luck and Matt Barkley they all play in it.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:05 am
Mallet spread offense, 90% of the great QB’s in college play in it. We actually run a version of it with the Raiders.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:08 am
In fact the Steelers were running some spread at us Sunday with 5 wides.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:08 am
Not the spread option where the QB is as much a RB as a QB.Those 4 guys you mentioned were all pass first QBs.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:18 am
We obviously don’t see or want the same thing in our QB.You want an athlete,I want someone who can shred a defense with the pass.Being able to run for 1000 yards isn’t a requirement for me.In fact,I’d rather have a QB who is mobile in the backfield and very seldom ran the ball.More big plays are the result of a QB escaping pressure and throwing than by QBs pulling the ball down and running.Even Vick is better now that he is doing that.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:20 am
Yeah you’re right but most of those guy’s can’t run. That’s the difference they got to throw it much more while Vick and Newton are used more like Alex Smith doubling as much as a runner. But Sam Bradford would often run and so did McCoy. But Newton is a beast as a runner so they lean on it more.
But the passing game is very simialar from team to team. The bottom line is can he be tought to set up and throw? I think he can I wish he would stay in school and learn how to more. But if he comes out and we have a chance to get him you absolutely have to take it into long consideration. He sits for one or two years and you have a dominant talent at QB. Until then Campbell or Gradkowski can more than fill in for him.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:24 am
I want a winning QB however it comes I don’t care. I’m a fan if winning not how you win. I would love to have a Dan Marino or Joe Montana but I do realize there are other ways to skin a cat. I just want to win…….period
Obviously you’re right that more big plays comeout of the passing game that will always be but I’ll never turn a kid down because he can win games with his feet as well.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:26 am
As I said,if we can get him late,go for it.But we can’t afford to take him early and hope he blossoms into an all around QB.We’ve already been set back enough because of you know who.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:31 am
I know that’s your biggest concern Left and I agree wholeheartedly but we cannot afford to pass on a kid because we had that bad experience. Look at the Rams they have the best young QB to come in in years. Detroit as well. Russell is Russel we cannot judge others based on what he did, if we do it’ll be to our own demise. You suck it up and take another swing after getting hit by a fast ball, the next swing could be a homerun.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:37 am
Also you will take forever to get a player of that calibre late in the draft. You have to be very Lucky. Teams are way too desparate to get a guy. You may be able to get Kaepernick or whatever his name is in the mid-rounds and let him sit. But Mallet and all those guys will be gone by the 3rd rnd. WE absolutely have to get one of them.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:41 am
Priest,I believe we have to get a youngster that can start if not right away,at least very quickly.I have little to no faith in the QBs we now have if we want to be consistent winners,reach and go far in the playoffs.Newton would require time to sit and learn.Also,he needs more time in school,but will probably have to leave after this season.But,like I said,we should take a chance on him IF we could get him in a lower round.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:48 am
Priest,as I’ve said before,I don’t want an SEC QB-Mallett included.It may be wrong,but it is just a thing I have.I’m not one who believes the hype that the SEC is so much better than all the other conferences.If you remember right,when ESPN had the rights to the Big-10,they were considered the best conference(by the media).Now ESPN has the SEC games and they proclaim them the superior conference.I don’t buy it.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:55 am
Lefty12
Take a look at this kid Pat Devlin at Delaware that Seymur Bush spoke about. he ytarnsfered from PennSt and has a great bio I haven’t seen him nor heard of him until today but reading up on him he is a definitely worth looking at.
But whoever we take Lefty12 I don’t want the guy to start right awaay unless it is very clear that he can get that done. Like I said most of teh SEC guy’s will be gone but we may have a chance at a kid like this or the kid from Nevada is on my radar as a Raider for sure he has it all.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:02 am
I’m watching a replay of the Steeler gameand man I cannot believe how many times Murphy hurt us npot making plays. He had a perfect pass n the sideline and g=he didn’t get his feet down this was after he fumbled to make it 21-3.
If we don’t make the playoffs the missed kick in AZ the SF game will be the reason. The Steelers spanked us but man we sure helped them a ton I mean a TON.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:05 am
He sounds like the type of guy I think we should get-I’ll check him out.When I say right away,I don’t mean right out of the gate,but by late in his 1st season if we aren’t in the playoff hunt.If not then,at least by the start or the middle of season #2.I don’t want to have to wait 3or 4 full seasons-we are too close to getting there now.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:08 am
I said it the other day and I’ll say it again-not having DHB really hurt our passing against the Stealers.Regardless of what most say,he opens up things for our other receivers.Murphy and JLH don’t require the attention DHB gets.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:12 am
No No No not 3-4 seasons not at all I just want the guy to sit a year just to see what it take sto play if need be. This kid Pat Devlin you never know look at what Colt mvcCoy is doing because he was a 4 year starter. Same with Sam Bradford and also look at Mark Sanchez I’m shocked at the way he’s playing now. He is making throws sure he has bad games but who doesn’t. This Colin Kaepernick is a 4 year starter just like Sam Bradford and he is very talented I think he’ll be there in the 2nd when we pick because of where he comes from. If we have to move up we should draft that kid I’v eseen him since he was a boney freshman now he’s got the goods.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:15 am
I also believe he would be a much bigger weapon and be more productive if we had better QBs and a better possession receiver(Chaz Schilens).But I know this is a minority opinion.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:18 am
If we have DHB in that game it’s a different game because he can beat the jam and get downfield it was obvious we missed him from the beginning.
DHB is going to be the best of all these guy’s IMO it may take another year for everyone to see it but his size and athleticism are unmatched. The only thing he’s missing is confidence that there is no one that can stop him. And complete concentration but that comes with success. If he can put 2-3 games back to back that would do it.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:21 am
I gaurantee you if Chaz could somehow stay healthy ll our rec’s would benefit. Not to mention the QB’s he is such a big target and a playmaker that would allow DHB to settle down and just play.
Chaz not being healthy has cost us easily 5 games in the last 2 years. If he’s healthy all year we win this division going away. I gaurantee it, he is killing us.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:23 am
I think we’ll be able to get someone like that in the 2nd or even 3rd round this year.From what I’ve seen,there are quite a few good senior QBs-plus some underclassmen(Luck,Barkley) that well be there this year,and most teams already have their guy.I’d rather get a senior that has tape and has had time to learn unless we could somehow swing a deal and get Luck-can always hope!
November 24th, 2010 at 2:28 am
Luck would probably put us in position to win 3-4 SB’s over a 10 year period that is how good he is. I would venture to say he is better than 1/3 of the starting QB’s in the league right now. That includes both bayarea teams. He is a once in a lifetime type player, better than Bradford, Stafford, Ryan and Flacco. Better than Sanchez IMO he is it as far as a QB is concerned he has no weakness none at all.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:31 am
I don’t know if it will ever happen,but a healthy Chaz would do wonders for our rec. core.All we can do is hope that once he heals,he can stay that way.If not,we need to get another big possession rec.The thing is Chaz is the perfect specimen-big,fast,and with good hands.If he was playing you wouldn’t hear so much complaining about our WRs.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:33 am
The talent around Luck is average he has a good line but that is it his rec’s are good not great his running game is good not great. He is just so superior to anything in college as a counterpart sure there are guy’s who are more talented physically none close mentally and competitively. He is a quarterbacks quarterback.
I rate him up there with Plunkett as one of the best ever in history.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:34 am
Andrew Luck-wouldn’t that be a coup!We’d be a SB contender from day one.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:38 am
Chaz is killing us Left he is killing us he would make these QB’s better immediately. It’s a freakin shame by now he would be the one WR who could be a probowl type player. But he cannot stay healthy enough to get established.
Well Lefty12 I’ll call it a night old friend
Nice talking football with ya’
November 24th, 2010 at 2:40 am
Actually,it’s too bad he didn’t have the WRs Cal does,although I wonder if Harbaugh would ever really let him just cut it loose-he loves his power running game.Maybe he’ll stay another year,even thouhg I think he’d be foolish to do so,then we’d at least have a 1st rd pick to try and make a deal for him.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:41 am
Nite,Priest.It is pretty nice being able to talk Raider football when all the children go to bed.
November 24th, 2010 at 4:53 am
Only way we get Luck is by trading Nnamdi and maybe the 2012 first rounder.
I’m not sure I’m entirely opposed to the idea. Luck is crazy good.
November 24th, 2010 at 5:27 am
With Nnamdi only under a one year left on his contract for $16 million dollars, I think the most we can get for him is a 2nd rounder.
To get a first rounder, depending on where it is, IMO we would have to package Nnamdi and maybe a 4th rounder that year, or a 2nd or 3rd in later years.
Teams aren’t going to trade for him, when they can just use a first or second round pick and get a guy maybe 75% as good as Nnamdi for 75% less costly.
November 24th, 2010 at 5:29 am
“Scott is a former first-round draft pick”
He is?
November 24th, 2010 at 5:29 am
Jarvis Moss had some “motor” issues in college and I think in Denver as well. Again, another stellar move by the Denver front office, guy was a 1st rounder in 2007 and is already now playing for a divisional foe.
But for what Scott was, a situational pass-rusher and apparently a punt coverage guy, I see no reason Moss can’t step in and do a reasonable impression of Trevor Scott.
November 24th, 2010 at 5:35 am
“Again, another stellar move by the Denver front office, guy was a 1st rounder in 2007 and is already now playing for a divisional foe.”
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The Raiders have no room to talk on 1st round picks. I doubt Jarvis was paid $39 million to take drugs.
November 24th, 2010 at 5:37 am
YoungAmerican Says:
Only way we get Luck is by trading Nnamdi and maybe the 2012 first rounder.
I’m not sure I’m entirely opposed to the idea. Luck is crazy good.
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I agree. I would do it. We have to get a franchise QB for this team.
But I doubt any team that picks ahead of us would do it. And I doubt Al would do it.
November 24th, 2010 at 5:38 am
I was thinking they might get Chris Cooper back. He looked like he might squeeze on the 53 in preseason.
Where is Fred Wakefield? We could use a TE/OT/OG/DT/DE/LB swingman! ;^)
November 24th, 2010 at 5:42 am
Seriously the Monday night game this week is AZ – SF???
We better get some Monday night action next year.
November 24th, 2010 at 5:44 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Seriously the Monday night game this week is AZ – SF???
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Cowherd said it best yesterday about that game. I’m going to drink heavily and pass out early to miss that one.
November 24th, 2010 at 5:44 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 5:42 am
Seriously the Monday night game this week is AZ – SF???
We better get some Monday night action next year.
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If we can keep from getting blown out again this year and win a couple more we should be a shoe in for primetime next season.
November 24th, 2010 at 6:04 am
JFB, thanks for beating Marley and keeping me within a game of him. LOL
November 24th, 2010 at 6:11 am
Moss has 29 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble and 1 pass defensed in a career of only 34 games played, despite being a four year veteran. But, hey, he’s a backup only, so I’m not gonna complain.
He’s listed at 6′7″, but only 257 pounds, so I wonder if his problem is that he’s just too lanky and not strong enough to handle the big NFL offensive tackles.
November 24th, 2010 at 6:20 am
If we can keep from getting blown out again this year and win a couple more we should be a shoe in for primetime next season.
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I agree. An 8-8 record should be enough to get us at least one Sunday or Monday night game. It’d make sense to do it against the Chiefs at Arrowhead since they’re a division rival, on their way up too and there’s no danger of not selling the place out.
November 24th, 2010 at 6:21 am
What up NATION?
November 24th, 2010 at 6:25 am
Going into week 11, what type of shape is Jarvis Moss in? How many games is it going to take to get him in game shape / game speed?
Although scott was a liability aganst the run, he was good in situational pass rushing, and he added depth to our front 7.
257 lbs seems a little light, should be around 280.
Put him on the Jamarcus steak and potatoes plan, with some protein shakes…
Hope this guy can come in and add to the rotation.
November 24th, 2010 at 6:28 am
JFB, what up? Give me your assessments on,
1. Ryan Mallet
2. Case Keenum
3. Andy Dalton
November 24th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Thec07,
I gotta figure one of the reasons he was signed is because he’s probably in better game shape than any other options out there like Bobby McCray, Adewale Ogunleye or even Chris Cooper.
I figure he’ll be for the defensive end position what we thought Henderson would be at defensive tackle…if he can give you 15 snaps and spell the starters enough so they don’t get worn down too much, it’ll be a good signing.
November 24th, 2010 at 6:30 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S. HATE 2 SAY IT BUT THERE AINT GONNA BE A NEXT SEASON WITH THIS PLAYER’S UNION, OWNERS LOCKOUT SITUATION..
November 24th, 2010 at 6:38 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 6:28 am
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Agreed…Hopefuly that is the case.
November 24th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Thec07 Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 6:28 am
JFB, what up? Give me your assessments on,
1. Ryan Mallet
2. Case Keenum
3. Andy Dalton
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I’m not JFB, but I’m gonna jump in here too with brief assessments since I ain’t got sh!ite to do at work today.
Mallett – STAY AWAY. FAR FAR AWAY. JaMarcus Russell for the new decade.
Keenum – Total system QB. Think Colt Brennan. Might become a servicable backup.
Dalton – Decent, but unspectacular. I like his accuracy and he has good mobility. Wouldn’t surprise me if he has a decent career as a backup and reliable spot starter. If the Raiders wanted to take a 6th or 7th round flier on the guy, you wouldn’t hear me complain.
Another guy who might be worth taking a late round gamble on is Tyrod Taylor out of Virignia Tech. Gradkowski fans should be interesting in him; they’re very similar. Not especially big, only moderately accurate and sometimes makes head scratching decisions. BUT, he can extend the play, is a good leader and is one of those guys who just somehow managed to find a way to get it done. Would like to see him get coached up.
November 24th, 2010 at 6:43 am
The Raiders are pretty clearly out of the Andrew Luck derby. Despite his struggles this year, I still think a team drafts Jake Locker in the late first or early 2nd round with the intent of coaching him up. He’d be a good fit on a team with a reliable starter who’s coming to the end of his tenure, but still has a good season left in him…think Seattle or Jacksonville.
If you want a name of a QB who can become a good NFL starter and will probably be avaiable in the second round: Christian Ponder.
November 24th, 2010 at 6:43 am
Good morning Thec07,
Got to split after this but…..
1) Mallet, great arm, better athlete than people think. However, he looks a lot like a one-read QB, the play will be set to this guy, and he will hit him if he is open, try to overcompensate with his arm if he isn’t open, or just throw it away. Not as impressive IMO than his stats are, but he should be picked in the 18-30 range in the first because of the arm-strength. May be Jim Drunkemiller or may be Drew Bledsoe.
2) Keenum, tore his ACL so he will slide in the draft. His game is kind of like Brennan’s was in college, very accurate, but lots of short stuff. Probably a 3rd or 4th rounder, unless he has a great Pro-day because he won’t play in a bowl or any of the all-star game draft showcases
3) Have loved Dalton for the last 2 years. Played in front of like 40K people from when he was a sophmore in HS in Texas. Very accurate, better athlete than people think as well, very shifty runner and very, very fiery and passionate. Reminds me a little of Colt McCoy. Think he will be 2nd round pick, and I hope we have the option of taking him and seriously consider it.
November 24th, 2010 at 6:44 am
LOL PA…..
Both of us had Keenum as a Colt 2.0
Good work!!
November 24th, 2010 at 6:46 am
Jarvis Moss was just cut by Denver last week, and he was seeing playing time up until that point. He is in game shape already. The move back to his natural position of DE will certainly help him. I think he will be much better for us than he was for Dungver. I think his issue with getting sacks is his height. The 2 best pass rushing ends in the league (Freeny and Mathis) get their bodys to like a 30 degree angle to the ground as the rush past the tackles, I just dont see a 6′7″ guy doing that.
November 24th, 2010 at 6:57 am
Tyrod Taylor: Another Vince Young in the making. No reason to even waste a pick on him. Nobody will draft the guy. Sign the undrafted free agent to your practice squad and use him for tackling clinics.
The last thing this team needs to do is have another guy wasting roster space just because he is a remarkable athlete.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:00 am
JFB: Agreed on Dalton. I brought him up earlier this week. I don’t know if he’s taken in the 2nd round, but I would pick him up as early as the 3rd.
My only complaint about him is the height. But he actually has good size for being a shade under 6′2″.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Jarvis Moss = LONGSNAPPER!!!!!!!!!!!
November 24th, 2010 at 7:07 am
Great signing… I always thought donkoes used Jarvis Moss wrong
November 24th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Good morning all.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:17 am
Can’t be any worse than the last Moss.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:21 am
Great assessments….
November 24th, 2010 at 7:21 am
Tyrod Taylor <——Could be a MVICK prototype…
November 24th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Jarvis Moss?
sweet!
November 24th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Somebody grab the sedatives, these cats are panicing big time. We get blown out by a superbowl contender on the road & these cats are ready to bail. Fair weather impostors cant take the heat.
The steelers came into the game after being spanked the week before on national tv they had something to prove. They beat an inferior raider team.
No diferent than how we beat denver after the sf fiasco. A good team motivated by a bad loss spanks a weaker opponent. Not a big deal. What really counts is how we bounce back.
Hammered on the road we come home to face a terrible miami team. If we come out and do a face plant, that would be cause for alarm, i dont think we will. This team has shown toughness and the ability to get up off the matt and beat lesser teams.
This game and denver are the only must win games left on our schedule. These are the only teams on our schedule that we are clearly better than.
We are on par with the cheifs and jags, but we are 1/4 on the road.
Sd and indy are better teams than we have. This charger team is not the same team we beat earlier this season.
I dont care about the playoffs this year, even if we sneak in, this team isnt good enough to do damage. Just win the games we have a clear edge in, split the teams we are even with, & avoid the blowouts when we play sd or indy.
Two more wins against teams we should beat will show how the team has improved from years past. Three more wins would be a pleasant surprise. Anything more would be improbable as it is enjoyable.
Go ahead bandwagon fans, jump ship and call for a team overhaul. We dont need you. Over the next 3-4 years as we continue to build and begin to dominate, us real raider fans are going to kick your a$$.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:29 am
That’s a good assessment aswell.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:32 am
Wednesday, Nation.
Always a huge day in terms of seeing who’s healthy, getting a gameplan in and having a strong practice.
Let’s hope Chaz is healthy and will play Sunday. I hate hinging the hopes of our WR group and passing game on this guy, but….
Hue needs to wake up. Get creative. Misdirection, 20 passes to the RBs/FB/TEs. Dink and Dunk it if you have to, Al be damned.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:32 am
Jarvis Moss was just cut by Denver last week,
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Guess he was the fall guy for them getting Xboxed by us…
November 24th, 2010 at 7:33 am
Trade Jon Condo for Fred Wakefield!
November 24th, 2010 at 7:34 am
what is the word on charles schallens???
Is he playing this week?
November 24th, 2010 at 7:35 am
If we didn’t dink/dunk the steelers after everyone saw the Pats win that way,I doubt we’ll do it against the Dolphins.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Go ahead bandwagon fans, jump ship and call for a team overhaul. We dont need you. Over the next 3-4 years as we continue to build and begin to dominate, us real raider fans are going to kick your a$$.
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So replacing the C, RG, and RT and half the WR corps isn’t an overhaul? How bout QB?
Bandwagoner.
SD is the same team we faced, they’ve just cleaned up their special teams and we’ll have to beat ‘em without being spotted any points.
I hope the Raiders don’t have the same attitude you do.
I think with better gameplanning and executuion, we stay right there with the Steelers, if not win.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:36 am
Jarvis Moss is only 26 years old
6′7″ 257 lbs Top 20 overall draft pick just 3 years ago
ran the forty at 4.70 sec. squats 415 lbs. benches 365
his high school team was called the Ryan Raiders.
drafted by Mike Shanahan
November 24th, 2010 at 7:36 am
Trade DHB for Fred Wakefield!
November 24th, 2010 at 7:40 am
the Dolphins beat the Titans 2 weeks ago (with 3 different QB’s). we can NOT afford to look past them!
this could very well be like the SF game. We laughed at the thought of them even competing with us … until they won the ballgame
Dirty Pirates 10
Tanned Goldfish 9
November 24th, 2010 at 7:40 am
BSJ, blaming Condo for our losses is like blaming the janitor when a fortune 500 company fails.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:43 am
I bet we would beat the Titans right now too. I dont think we will look past Miami. I think we will run them over. Tyler Thigpen only had to protect a second half lead against the floundering Titans, and he had Brandon Marshall and Jake Long in that game. Now he has to play the whole game and beat a very angry team without the 2 best offensive players and a center who was signed YESTERDAY. This one is going to be ugly.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:45 am
I my opinion it is good that we can talk about what we beleive would make the team better. Everyone that comes in here except a few individuals whom I will not name come in here just to debate, and be contrary. The vast majority of the poster in my opinion are true Brothers real RAIDERS, members of the NATION.
After 7 years of futility would be hard for me to call anyone on this blog a bandwagoner…
November 24th, 2010 at 7:46 am
The tv networks are missing out with Condo.They should have a fly-on-the-wall reality show “Snapping with the Condo’s”.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:50 am
L.A
i havent called for replacing our receivers only part of the o-line. Our receivers are young & i like Dhb , ford, & schillens. They still have time to show that they can grow and improve. Im fine with our qb situation at this time. I think they will be better next season with a year under their belt, a better o line in front and a more mature or seasoned recever core going into next year.
The chargers will not be the same team we faced with mcneil and jackson in the fold. I think we beat a team that was better than we were to begin with, and to expect a season sweep on the road against the red hot defending division champs is more than a tall order, its a pipe dream. Just as i didnt expect us to beat pitt on the road.
Not because i dont love my team, i dont pick games based on emotion, i look at match ups. A simple dose of reality is not only sobering, but it insulates you agai st these wild up & down knee jerk panic attacks that you and some of your fellow posters suffer from.
Barret robbins couldnt even keep up with these bi- polar mood fluctuations.
Calm down breath, & see the big picture.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Thec,
I doubt anybody who’s stuck with the Raiders the past 7 years could be a bandwagon fan and certainly nobody would be drawn to the team during that time.
We’re all hardcore.
Mistic is too, he just has a tenancy to accuse people of being bandwagon fans if they don’t like the Great Jason Campbell, pins our losses on the O Line and WRs and then accuses people of being bandwagon fans for making wholesale changes that don’t include the QB, which makes it sound like he’s confused.
Wholesale changes are what got us to where we are now, a .500 team, up from the NFL basement.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:54 am
tendency*
November 24th, 2010 at 7:57 am
but it insulates you agai st these wild up & down knee jerk panic attacks that you and some of your fellow posters suffer from.
Barret robbins couldnt even keep up with these bi- polar mood fluctuations.
Calm down breath, & see the big picture.
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This blog is full of knee jerkers and I’m not one of them. I obviously get get frustrated when we lay an egg.
Cleveland Browns beat New England Patriots, Arizona Cardinals beat New Orleans Saints.
If one team is better on paper than the other, should the other just not show up?
This is why they play the games.
November 24th, 2010 at 7:57 am
Time to go for some dinner.Pasta night.
Have a great Wednesday everyone.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Vy would look great in silver & black. He is no vick but i doubt that eagle leaves the nest in philly. Vy is the best qb available next year hands down, a veteran with a winning record that is a dangerous weapon. He would be a big upgrade over jc & grads.
Outside of luck ( overrated) and newton , ( momentarily undeclared) this draft class is putrid. Luck wont be available when we pick neither will newton more than likely.
Vy is the option that makes the most since. Vy campbell & grads would be a sweet 1-2-3 line up at qb.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Vince Young is a quitter and a punk.
No thanks, I’m trying to build a team of men, not babies.
Great QB assessment, as always Mistic.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:06 am
Beat me to it LA. Vince Young is a more athletic Jamarcus. We dont need another self-absorbed cancer on this team.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:08 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Vince Young is a quitter and a punk.
No thanks, I’m trying to build a team of men, not babies.
++++++++++
I’ll co-sign this
November 24th, 2010 at 8:22 am
LA to TheBay Says:
I doubt anybody who’s stuck with the Raiders the past 7 years could be a bandwagon fan and certainly nobody would be drawn to the team during that time.
We’re all hardcore.
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Well said.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:26 am
In all fairness to Mistic, Young is a play action QB with some great feet, which would fit on the current squad a lot better than Campbell, but we need the big, tall vacuum pass catching WR to go along with him.
Chaz? I don’t know, if he could stay healthy.
Young’s athleticism isn’t in question, it’s the everything else. You need a leader of men and I think we pass on that, or at least hope we do.
Besides, Bud Adams may oust Fisher before he does Young.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:31 am
VY is way overrated. I’ve always thought that
Can’t believe this guy went to 2 Pro Bowls (even as an injury replacement)
November 24th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Can’t stand the thought of Vince Young being a Raider.
TERRIBLE idea!
November 24th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Myst crying band wagon? You are a funny dude!
How does JC’s ball sack taste this mourning?
November 24th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Time to kill all the rumors and straighten out the facts. I have never absolved any of our qbs of poor play. Campbell and grads have struggled in the losses and i have stated exactly that after every loss. I just refuse to blame the loss entirely on the qbs and i dont think the qb play is aa bad as some make it out to be. You win and lose as a team.
I have however said that the biggest most urgent area of concern is the o-line & pass protection. Our qbs have looked bad at times, good at times, and good and bad in the same game. The o-line has looked bad prtectecting the qb in 9 of ten games, and we have still found ways to win. This tells me with better o- line play we could go to maybe 10-12 wins next year with the same cast around it.
Anyone that claims I pinn the losses on everyobe except campbell or our qbs is just a flat out liar.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:39 am
I still riding with DHB!
Especially after we saw our first 8 man front of the year when he was out of the line up.
I, for one, do not under value the role of the clearer outter. Get that S outta the box DHB!
November 24th, 2010 at 8:39 am
So, what is it, Nation? What’s the future at QB?
A) stick with Campbell
B) stick with Gradkowski
C) trade up in the draft for a stud
D) draft a project in the later rounds
E) free agent gem
F) free agent stop gap
G) blockbuster trade for a stud
H) minor trade for a stop gap
November 24th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Young has started 47 games and played in a total of 54 games since being drafted in 2006.
8098 yards, 42 TD’s, 42 INT’s. Sacked 75 times
Overall QB Rating of 75.7
Also has 1380 rushing yards and 12 TD’s on the ground
fumbled 38 times (12 lost)
Same # of touchdowns & turnovers
Averages less than 150 passing yards and 1 TD per game
November 24th, 2010 at 8:40 am
DHB is like Rondo, lol.
4 pts, 20 assts
November 24th, 2010 at 8:42 am
I just refuse to blame the loss entirely on the qbs and i dont think the qb play is aa bad as some make it out to be. You win and lose as a team.
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Exactly!
November 24th, 2010 at 8:42 am
VY also benefits from having one of the best Head Coaches, Running Backs & O-Lines in the NFL!
at first he didn’t have any targets but then they drafted Kenny Britt, signed Nate Washington and claimed Randy Moss off waivers.
Bo Scaife is a stud and Jared Cook was drafted to help at TE as well. Imagine Sam Bradford with a supporting cast like this!! he’d be 8-2 right now like Matty Ice
November 24th, 2010 at 8:43 am
DHB is like Rondo
***
DHB is like Rolando
November 24th, 2010 at 8:45 am
I bet the Titans will trade for Kevin Kolb and go 13-3 next year
November 24th, 2010 at 8:45 am
Drexl,
ask your mom
November 24th, 2010 at 8:48 am
I’m for upgrading O Line, WR, AND QB.
We can’t suffer through another year of garbage QB play.
It’s time to get a real one. Al gets it. This is a playoff team, despite inexperienced WR play and shot out right side of O Line.
Other teams get it done with similar supporting cast.
If one of these things areas need to get addressed, it’s QB play.
QB rating
3. Ben Roethlisberger QB, PIT
7. Matt Cassel QB, KC
8. Aaron Rodgers QB, GB
10. Kyle Orton QB, DEN
13. Matt Ryan QB, ATL
17. Jon Kitna QB, DAL
19. Ryan Fitzpatrick QB, BUF
20. Colt McCoy QB, CLE
23. Carson Palmer QB, CIN
26. Sam Bradford QB, STL
28. Jason Campbell QB, OAK
32. Bruce Gradkowski QB, OAK
How many of those teams lack stellar O Lines, and yet their QBs are all playing better?
WRs? Coaching? All of the above?
All I know is I’d rather roll the dice with all things being equal and a better QB.
It is still an ongoing problem for the Raiders.
Al tried and ended up with Russell. Campbell is a stop gap. Time to try again.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:48 am
Rumors of tackle Jake Long’s demise have been greatly exaggerated. And quarterback Chad Henne’s for that matter.
The Miami Dolphins duo returned to practice Tuesday, two days after reports surfaced Long would need season-ending shoulder surgery and little more than a week after Henne’s availability for the rest of the season was questioned. Meanwhile, wide receiver Brandon Marshall was not seen at practice.
Long, a Pro Bowl pick last season, told the Miami Herald that he never considered taking himself out of Thursday night’s 16-0 loss to the Chicago Bears despite his obviously difficulty with his right shoulder.
“I hate missing any type of game time,” Long said. “I’m going to do everything I can to play.”
Henne, who wore a brace on his injured knee, was limited at practice.
Two other starters — center Joe Berger (knee) and linebacker Karlos Dansby (elbow) — were practice observers as well.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81c5f9f3/article/dolphins-t-long-qb-henne-return-to-practice-marshall-missing?module=HP_headlines
November 24th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Vy is a low risk value, he is going into the last year of his deal. He is about to be chased out of town after off the field meltdowns and being labled a quitter.
He may come into a new team with something to prove. This may force him to mature as he wluld need to repair his reputation and get his next big contract. If that is the case he will make any team better.
If he comes in and continues to crash and burn, you only owe him for the 1 year, simply let him walk after the season.
Risky, you bet but well worth it.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:53 am
J Hill Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 8:39 am
I still riding with DHB!
Especially after we saw our first 8 man front of the year when he was out of the line up.
I, for one, do not under value the role of the clearer outter. Get that S outta the box DHB!
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His injury did have an impact no doubt…
November 24th, 2010 at 8:54 am
So, what is it, Nation? What’s the future at QB?
E) free agent gem
November 24th, 2010 at 8:55 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
DHB is like Rolando
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Ha ha! Harsh. But sadly, could be true.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:56 am
2010 Jason Campbell (7)/Bruce Gradkowski (3)
2009 JaMarcus Russell (9)/Bruce Gradkowski (4)/Charlie Frye (3)
2008 JaMarcus Russell (15)/Andrew Walter (1)
2007 Josh McCown (9)/Daunte Culpepper (6)/JaMarcus Russell (1)
2006 Andrew Walter (8)/Aaron Brooks (8)
2005 Kerry Collins (15)/Marques Tuiasosopo (1)
2004 Kerry Collins (13)/Rich Gannon (3)
2003 Rick Mirer (8)/Rich Gannon (7)/Marques Tuiasosopo (1)
2002 Rich Gannon (16)
2001 Rich Gannon (16)
2000 Rich Gannon (16)
1999 Rich Gannon (16)
1998 Jeff George (7)/Donald Hollas (6)/Wade Wilson (3)
1997 Jeff George (16)
1996 Jeff Hostetler (13)/Billy Joe Hobert (3)
1995 Jeff Hostetler (11)/Vince Evans (3)/Billy Joe Hobert (2)
1994 Jeff Hostetler (16)
1993 Jeff Hostetler (15)/Vince Evans (1)
1992 Jay Schroeder (9)/Todd Marinovich (7)
1991 Jay Schroeder (15)/Todd Marinovich (1)
1990 Jay Schroeder (16)
1989 Jay Schroeder (9)/Steve Beuerlein (7)
1988 Jay Schroeder (8)/Steve Beuerlein (8)
1987 Marc Wilson (7)/Rusty Hilger (5)/Vince Evans (3)
1986 Marc Wilson (8)/Jim Plunkett (8)
1985 Marc Wilson (13)/Jim Plunkett (3)
1984 Marc Wilson (10)/Jim Plunkett (6)
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See the stability here:
2002 Rich Gannon (16)
2001 Rich Gannon (16)
2000 Rich Gannon (16)
1999 Rich Gannon (16)
Anybody want to guess what the best Raiders teams were over the past 25 years?
November 24th, 2010 at 8:56 am
LOL, some surprise that Mistic thinks VY is worth the risk…
November 24th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Free agent gem? And who do you see that being? What “gem” in his right mind would want to play behind this offensive line? It could be career-ending.
You look to the draft. Period.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:00 am
28. Jason Campbell QB, OAK
32. Bruce Gradkowski QB, OAK
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Hmmmmm
And there are a couple of folks INSISTING Gardowski is BY FAR the better QB.
BOTH are bottom of the food chain guys.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Someone refresh my memory, please.
What year did Vince Young come out of Texas, and did the Raids have a chance to draft him ?
November 24th, 2010 at 9:02 am
I’ve been advocating for better O Linemen for a long time, like a lot of us. I’ve been advocating for a great vet WR like a lot of us.
We can still upgrade those. But we NEED a QB.
There is still a lot of season left, guys.
6 game season in control of our own destiny.
Campbell wants to show us he was worth it, now’s the time. I promised Mistic he could come p;ss on my pillow if he succeeds and that offer still stands.
I’m not done with this season and I’m not forgetting playoffs. I said thin in week 4 or 5 when a lot of people was ready to jump off the ledge.
This is a different team than in years past.
They’re not done and neither am I. I sometimes get caught up in the future but we can get to the dance now. This is on the coaches more than anyone, IMO.
Cable said they did a lot of self scouting over the bye. Really? Then why did you go so vanilla in Pittsburgh?
Show me something Tom/Hue/John.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:03 am
I said this in week 4 or 5 when a lot of people was ready to jump off the ledge*
Off the soapbox, catch you guys in the PM sesh.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Draft a quick release, pocket awareness, accurate, strong arm passer…
Sit him until you believe he is ready to lead the team.
Lower the pick lower the risk.
Right now my priority has been the next 5 years
we need to draft Trenchmen….Oline first then Dline
for quality depth…
November 24th, 2010 at 9:04 am
And there are a couple of folks INSISTING Gardowski is BY FAR the better QB.
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I’m one of them.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:04 am
J Hill Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:00 am
28. Jason Campbell QB, OAK
32. Bruce Gradkowski QB, OAK
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Hmmmmm
And there are a couple of folks INSISTING Gardowski is BY FAR the better QB.
BOTH are bottom of the food chain guys.
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He is. If he hadn’t gone and injured himself, he would be middle of the pack. I stand by this, but doesn’t matter. We still need top tier or at least better than average.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:05 am
I’d rather have the guys we have than VY.
I don’t want a QB who is known for not being able to pass. Or should I see needing to develop his passing skills.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:05 am
Grad is the best QB on our “current” roster. Notice I said current roster. and I aint apologizing for it one bit. We’re playing 10 vs 11 this week again with JC and let’s see how long it takes to put Grad in there.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:07 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
I’m one of them.
LA to TheBay Says:
He is.
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LMFAO!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:11 am
LA to TheBay Says:
If he hadn’t gone and injured himself, he would be middle of the pack.
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Nothing about his career suggests that. Pure conjecture.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:12 am
JaCamp, when he loses the strike zone, deserves to be relieved.
BruGrad however, isn’t the relief pitcher, he’s the guy sent up to the plate to bat for JaCamp.
meaning, ya hope BruGrad connects for a home run ’cause as a reliever the song will remain the same.
Pile o’ Pigpen record as an NFL starter – 1 win, 11 losses
November 24th, 2010 at 9:14 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 8:56 am
2010 Jason Campbell (7)/Bruce Gradkowski (3)
2009 JaMarcus Russell (9)/Bruce Gradkowski (4)/Charlie Frye (3)
2008 JaMarcus Russell (15)/Andrew Walter (1)
2007 Josh McCown (9)/Daunte Culpepper (6)/JaMarcus Russell (1)
2006 Andrew Walter (8)/Aaron Brooks (8)
2005 Kerry Collins (15)/Marques Tuiasosopo (1)
2004 Kerry Collins (13)/Rich Gannon (3)
2003 Rick Mirer (8)/Rich Gannon (7)/Marques Tuiasosopo (1)
2002 Rich Gannon (16)
2001 Rich Gannon (16)
2000 Rich Gannon (16)
1999 Rich Gannon (16)
1998 Jeff George (7)/Donald Hollas (6)/Wade Wilson (3)
1997 Jeff George (16)
1996 Jeff Hostetler (13)/Billy Joe Hobert (3)
1995 Jeff Hostetler (11)/Vince Evans (3)/Billy Joe Hobert (2)
1994 Jeff Hostetler (16)
1993 Jeff Hostetler (15)/Vince Evans (1)
1992 Jay Schroeder (9)/Todd Marinovich (7)
1991 Jay Schroeder (15)/Todd Marinovich (1)
1990 Jay Schroeder (16)
1989 Jay Schroeder (9)/Steve Beuerlein (7)
1988 Jay Schroeder (8)/Steve Beuerlein (8)
1987 Marc Wilson (7)/Rusty Hilger (5)/Vince Evans (3)
1986 Marc Wilson (8)/Jim Plunkett (8)
1985 Marc Wilson (13)/Jim Plunkett (3)
1984 Marc Wilson (10)/Jim Plunkett (6)
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See the stability here:
2002 Rich Gannon (16)
2001 Rich Gannon (16)
2000 Rich Gannon (16)
1999 Rich Gannon (16)
Anybody want to guess what the best Raiders teams were over the past 25 years?
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GOOD WORK!
We do know now that having a solid, consistent QB is a cornerstone to success. Remember that Gannon, before coming here, had torched us beforehand. What did Campbell really do to set himself apart before we signed him? We were basically going by his college stats, hoping he’d get a fresh start in Oakland. IF we’re going to go the FA angle, we have to get someone who we know is good, not someone who just has “the potential”. We KNEW Gannon was good when we signed him. He was just a little old. But we knew if he stayed healthy, he was a winner.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Ok guys, SERIOUSLY …
Don’t you think Gardowski’s biggest strength is his biggest weakness? The little man complex of having to prove yourself? That so called bravado?
Bruce takes RIDICULOUS chances with the ball.
I think that is THE issue I have with him is I know he is going to turn the ball over or do something like try and run over somebody.
Bruce’s best game was when he got Miller the ball 11 times. DMac and Reece were also involved. A lot of checkdowns and underneath stuff instead of forcing the ball to the WRs.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:15 am
I’d rather have the guys we have than VY.
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me too, Jhill
see posts 181 & 184 !!!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Al needs to sign Gradkowski to a long term contract and make him our official starting QB, no questions asked, or draft the best QB available next year. This has to stop. Platooning free agents and bringing in guys based on “potential” is just a fail.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Vince Young & Matt Leinart in 2006
JaMarcus Russell & Brady Quinn in 2007
bad selections for teams in desperate need of a QB!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:18 am
J Hill Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Ok guys, SERIOUSLY …
Don’t you think Gardowski’s biggest strength is his biggest weakness? The little man complex of having to prove yourself? That so called bravado?
………………..
Either post a copy of your psych degree or beat it. Where do you get the credibility to make this assumption? Based on QB play alone, Gradkowski is worlds better than Campbell and he has proved it, on the field. Pull up all the numbers you want to but we can all see Gradkowski is better. I wanted Campbell to start against Pittsburgh because I didn’t want to take out the hot hand. But he proved in Pittsburgh exactly why Washington cut him. He’s not an NFL QB. Gradkowski is. Make Gradkowski long term. If Gradkowski had been put in at half time of the Steeler game it would have gone the way of the Steeler game last year. I know it.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Twitter is so ghay!
I would be embarrassed if I was a professional athlete and someone said I tweeted.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Overall QB Rating of 75.7
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RRS,
That lower than Russell’s rating with us per JFB’s stats.
Amazing!
He SUCKS!!!!!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:22 am
aig-raiders Says:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Tyrone Hill…wow you’re going way back. Man I miss those Run TMC days. Tim Hardaway had the best crossover combo I ever saw. Stupid Don Nelson trading away Mitch Richmond for a hyped draft pick. Billy Owens never lived up to his Magic Johnson hype did he.
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Who was “C” in run TMC?
November 24th, 2010 at 9:23 am
I don’t care what the numbers say. Gradkowski is better than Campbell. Gradkowski overall has played far better than Campbell this year, it’s something everyone can see. Both of their stats are unimpressive, and part of that is due to poor coaching and a lousy system. But Gradkowski has proven that he can perform in spite of all this much better than Campbell. It’s not even a debate anymore. It’s just old and stupid. Campbell sucks and everyone knows it. He’s not Jim Plunkett. And frankly, Al insulted Jim Plunkett by making the comparison.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:23 am
prior to connecting for an 88 yard TD pass on Sunday against the Ravens, Brian St Pierre had passed for all of 12 yards in his NFL career.
his next two passes were both interceptions returned for touchdowns.
three TDs in three throws! sign him up!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:24 am
TMC
Chris
November 24th, 2010 at 9:25 am
If Gradkowski had been put in at half time of the Steeler game it would have gone the way of the Steeler game last year. I know it.
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You know it?
LMFAO!
I need a psych degree, but you can use a crystal ball, huh?
November 24th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Gradkowski overall has played far better than Campbell this year, it’s something everyone can see.
But Gradkowski has proven that he can perform in spite of all this much better than Campbell.
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What game should I pop in to see this?
November 24th, 2010 at 9:29 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Al needs to sign Gradkowski to a long term contract and make him our official starting QB, no questions asked, or draft the best QB available next year. This has to stop. Platooning free agents and bringing in guys based on “potential” is just a fail.
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I will also co-sign this.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:31 am
MBush rumbles up the middle for a gain of 25. Raiders are in their best field position.
Run MBush again?
Naw.
Grads overthrow.
Grads throw out of bounds.
Grads throws a horrible ball, intercepted.
Sometimes I wonder if NFL coaches have any clue at all.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:32 am
M Lonetree Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:24 am
TMC
Chris
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forgot about Mullins thanx
November 24th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Good morning nation.
Congrats to RR and his wife. Welcome little Raider!
Does anyone know much about cell phones? I’m comparing the LG Vortex and Motorola Citrus.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Who was “C” in run TMC?
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Joe Barry Carroll
November 24th, 2010 at 9:36 am
I have some reservations about Vince Young.
One of them is he seems like an injury waiting to happen. Besides the obvious danger any running QB exposes himself to in the NFL, it seems like he doesn’t have any pocket presence or the ability to side step rushers within the pocket when he doesn’t take off. He seems to frequently wind up standing very upright with the ball precariously held in one hand while he’s about to get buried.
Then there’s the weird delivery and long passing motion.
Most importantly, guy appears to be a basket case mentally. The ’suicide’ incident, fight in the strip club, doesn’t inspire confidence that this guy is too stable or able to handle the job mentally.
That being said, he is still an intriguing player. Saw a few Titan preseason games and was impressed with his improvement as a passer. He threw some accurate lasers over the middle. Might have been a mirage, but I thought if he could consistently throw well, he’d be a real force.
And you can’t discount the fact that he did put an impressive string of wins together last year.
I’d be reluctant to give up anything substantial for him, and I expect the Titans aren’t just going to dump him for nada.
But I’d be willing to go maybe as high as a 3rd for him. Think at that price he’s worth a gamble.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Congrats to RR and his wife. Welcome little Raider!
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thanks O!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Very few superstar qbs in the NFL and the ones who are good luck prying them away from their team. Luck and Locker aren’t sure things so I wouldn’t ship our good young talent to trade down for one of them. I’m not sold on Kolb but I until a gem becomes available via free agency or the draft that won’t require us to sell the ranch we should get someone like Kolb as an upgrade and in the meanwhile let Bruce try to get us in the playoffs
November 24th, 2010 at 9:38 am
O would like:
1- Vick
2- Cutler
3- VY
4- T Jackson
5- Draft a QB
November 24th, 2010 at 9:39 am
That lower than Russell’s rating with us per JFB’s stats.
Amazing!
He SUCKS!!!!!
***
Exactly. VY had a supporting cast about 100 times better than JaWalrus and more baggage off the field
November 24th, 2010 at 9:39 am
What game should I pop in to see this?
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In 2009, the Cincinnati and Pittsburgh games. The first half of the Washington game before Mario Henderson got him injured.
In 2010, the 2nd half of the St. Louis game, the Arizona game and the Houston game.
The Cincinnati and Pittsburgh games, we don’t win without him. If you put Campbell in those games last year, we lose. In the Washington game, the score was close and Gradkowski was driving the team as the half wound down before Orakpo murdered him.
This year, the team was flatter than a pancake before Gradkowski came in. In Arizona, he drove the team down the field and gave Jano a shot at an easy field goal. In Houston, he was again driving the team for a shot at a tie before Stone Hands Murphy (or was it Ford? Can’t remember off the top of my head) gift wrapped an interception to ice the game.
I’m gonna guess you’ll laugh and call those “excuses.” Do what you want. They’re also facts.
In the games Campbell has been bad in this year–Tennessee, St. Louis, San Francisco, Pittsburgh–the team wasn’t even competitive in 3 out of the 4 and in the exception (St. Louis) he gave no indication that I could see that things were going to be different in the 2nd half.
Campbell throws a nice deep ball. That’s all he does. His intermediate accuracy is poor, all his yards are either deep strikes or screens where McFadden does 90 percent of the work. His leadership is non existent and his mobility and ability to extend the play when things break down is only marginally better.
I’m not gonna sit here and say Gradkowski is the end all be all, but Campbell is only better than him in a few aspects of the game and his leadership abilities are, frankly, laughable.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:41 am
RaiderMan99,
let’s see if I can get this right with regards to VY…”F^*& the mo$#0@f^*&ing a$$(+)0!”
November 24th, 2010 at 9:41 am
I’m not talking draft when the Raiders are 5-5 tied with Sandy Eggo and 1 game back from KC (3-0 in the division)
6 games left. Let’s see what kind of draft pick Al Davis wants to give bill belichick for Richard Seymour
November 24th, 2010 at 9:42 am
A lot comments on the Raider QB situation yesterday. It seems Jerry is just as unimpressed by our QB situatoin as we are:
The first comment goes to the idea that Cable just goes to validate the whole idea that he is just an Al Davis puppet.
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[Comment From samismaximus]
Love your blog, im on it constantly. So do you think Cables commitment to Campbell is telling in regards to the reports that Big Al wants him at the starting QB. That offense has moved better with Grads since day 1! THANKS
Tuesday November 23, 2010
12:29
jerrymac:
Cable is going to do what all Raiders coaches do . . . listen to the wishes of the boss and then make a decision, knowing that if he goes against Davis and is wrong, it’s bad news.
12:30
[Comment From dbaz]
Several games ago Jason Campbell made a comment about how his benching gave him time to learn all the plays (or something to that affect). This was a little alarming at the time since you would have thought he would know the playbook inside and out by that time. He still seems indecisive out there but this might just be his demeanor. Could you elaborate more on this, i.e. could there be work ethic issues with him? Thx.
Tuesday November 23, 2010
12:31
jerrymac:
Work ethic has not an issue in any way that I know of. He was known as a kind of a robotic, safe quarterback who didn’t look particularly animated or decisive in Washington, and that’s pretty much how it’s panned out. He can run an offense efficiently enough if given a decent running game and protection while passing less than half of the plays. Otherwise
12:35
[Comment From Ron Jensen (RaiderRetribu]
is it the recievers or is it coaching, is it even mathmatically possible to draft this many WRS that can’t catch consistently?
Tuesday November 23, 2010
12:36
jerrymac:
Pretty amazing, I agree, the degree of problems the Raiders have with the simple act of getting open and catching a football. But a lot of it is the quarterback play. Look at what Rivers is doing in SD and the guys he’s doing it with. Sure helps when a QB is in a rhythm, puts the ball in the right area, etc.
12:46
[Comment From Raiderfan801]
Last week I made a comment (which you posted) that I believe Hue should be given credit for the offensive surge and that Hue should be the Raiders coach next season. Having said that, I am infuriated to read that Campbell will start at QB next week. I understand Davis calls the shots but if Cable is going to allow himself to be a puppet, he is going to go down w/the ship. The Raiders will keep losing with Campbell at QB. Campbell is horrible, 8/21 for 83 yds (vs 49ers) or 3/8 for 18 yds in a half (vs Chiefs)! Or a 10 QB rating in an entire game. It looks like I may get my wish, Cable to be fired and Hue Jackson to be coach next year. What do you think?
Tuesday November 23, 2010
12:48
jerrymac:
I think you way overvalue the QB position as it pertains to the Raiders. I don’t think either guy is the answer at this point. Campbell is fine if the running game is going. If it’s not, enter Gradkowski. If you play Gradkowski all the time, he’ll probably get hurt. It’s far from an ideal situation. as for the whole Cable/Hue switch, not sure that happens at this point unless another team is interested in Hue as HC
November 24th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Gradkowski has not played better than Campbell this year. His play has been more consistant. Where as JC’s has fluctuated between very good and very bad.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:43 am
I would talk draft even if we were 10-0. I love the draft!!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:43 am
Jerry just cut through the whole JC vs Grads debate.
Both lose in an armwrestling match.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:44 am
I want to re-emphasize and hopefully stop the erection of any straw men here: I’m not touting Gradkowski as a potential franchise QB. He is, however, the best of what we’ve got right now.
Campbell is boom or bust. He either looks great like against Denver or Seattle or dreadful, awful, terrible, inexcusably bad. A team trying to compete and make a legit playoff run can’t deal with those kinds of ups and downs.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Raider O Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:43 am
I would talk draft even if we were 10-0. I love the draft!!
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Me too, I can’t help it. It’s a weakness.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:45 am
there is a very good chance that by Sunday evening the Raiders will be in a first place tie for the division while holding all the tiebreakers.
problems? nonesuch.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:45 am
JC has been very good when protected and running game working and/or with a big lead.
Otherwise he’s been putrid.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:46 am
draft talk starts in Feb or March for me … by then I may be limited to blogging at home when I’m not looking after mama & baby
we’re moving to a new location at work and my role may be expanding effective Jan 10th or somewhere close to that
November 24th, 2010 at 9:46 am
The trade for Seymour was great, but I still think we gave the pats too much IMO. He is 30.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:46 am
12:31
jerrymac:
Work ethic has not an issue in any way that I know of. He was known as a kind of a robotic, safe quarterback who didn’t look particularly animated or decisive in Washington, and that’s pretty much how it’s panned out. He can run an offense efficiently enough if given a decent running game and protection while passing less than half of the plays. Otherwise
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Boy, that’s exactly who I want leading the team.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Dolphins T Long, QB Henne return to practice; Marshall missing per NFL.com
November 24th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Grads hasn’t blown anyone away….but I hold onto the hope he is still the guy that led the team back to a win at Arizona….(well I count it as a win anyway)
Grads did everything you could ask for in that game.
I’d like that Grads to start a game. I am sure he’d be more prepared to start a game after a week of practice reps and study than JC.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:47 am
RAIDER NATION GOOD MORNING
Congrats to Rockstar, with his new bundle of joy.
I would like the following:
1) Manning ( Peyton)
2) Brees
3) Vick
4) Kolb
5) QB from Wisconsin
November 24th, 2010 at 9:48 am
I was hoping to play against Thigpen not Henne. We can probaly take advanatge of long if he does play injured
November 24th, 2010 at 9:48 am
HairyBush Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Dolphins T Long, QB Henne return to practice; Marshall missing per NFL.com
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Henne is no great shakes, so I’m not really concerned if it’s him or Thigpen in. Long coming back sucks; hopefully he’s still limited.
No Marshall is awesome. I read upthread that Karlos Dansby was a spectator too, which is great news for us. Dude in a monster in the middle.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:49 am
HairyBush Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Dolphins T Long, QB Henne return to practice; Marshall missing per NFL.com
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Buzz I am hearing is Marshall should be out for several weeks.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:50 am
RR,
You are having a great year.
1- Live in Podunk
2- nice wife
3- had a baby
4- Role expanding at work = more money! lol
5- Raiders at .500 in November!!
GREAT YEAR!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:50 am
It’s always a challenge to stop Ronnie and Ricky.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:50 am
Miami also has a very good FG kicker. Could be a good FG show.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:51 am
there is a very good chance that by Sunday evening the Raiders will be in a first place tie for the division while holding all the tiebreakers.
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you think we’ll beat Miami and KC will lose at Seattle?
the Seahacks have beat SD, SF & Chicago then swept AZ.
Lost to the Donks, Rams, Raiders, Giants & Saints.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:51 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:48 am
HairyBush Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Dolphins T Long, QB Henne return to practice; Marshall missing per NFL.com
+++++++++++++++++++++
Henne is no great shakes, so I’m not really concerned if it’s him or Thigpen in. Long coming back sucks; hopefully he’s still limited.
No Marshall is awesome. I read upthread that Karlos Dansby was a spectator too, which is great news for us. Dude in a monster in the middle
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I hear ya on Henne, I just want every possible advantage to get our 6th win. Dansby out would be a bonus!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:52 am
I consider being 5-5 the same as a shortened 6 game season. Go 4-2 and with our tiebreakers, I like our chances to go to the postseason.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:52 am
Congrats on your expanding herd RRS.
Remember that all children are born liberals and cannot sin (become wingnuts) until the age of seven…
November 24th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Jimbo Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:49 am
HairyBush Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Dolphins T Long, QB Henne return to practice; Marshall missing per NFL.com
*****
Buzz I am hearing is Marshall should be out for several weeks.
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Dolphins are falling apart!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:53 am
you think we’ll beat Miami and KC will lose at Seattle?
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I could see that. But Seattle without Mike Williams is significantly weakened.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Congrats to Rockstar, with his new bundle of joy.
You are having a great year.
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thanks Dell & Raider O!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Change any messy diapers yet? RRS
November 24th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Rockstar,
Raiders win
SeaGulls win
Colts win
yep
November 24th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Somebody on here mentioned trading for Josh Johnson from Tampa bay. Yes! Yes! Yes! How soon can we get this done?? Somebody put up a billboard @ the stadium so Al can get a clue. I was actually hoping they would’ve traded for him this past offseason. With an opportunity like this Josh would be an elite qb
November 24th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Jimbo Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:53 am
you think we’ll beat Miami and KC will lose at Seattle?
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I could see that. But Seattle without Mike Williams is significantly weakened.
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To bad Mike Williams didn’t play like he is now when he was Raider.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:55 am
RaiderRockstar – Congratulations bro!!! Kids are great, I have three!!
November 24th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Congrats on your expanding herd RRS.
Remember that all children are born liberals and cannot sin (become wingnuts) until the age of seven…
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LOL!
thanks BSJ … that whole “liberal” thing will be cured when we have the baby dedication at church
November 24th, 2010 at 9:55 am
LMAO Preppie
November 24th, 2010 at 9:56 am
RRS,
10,000 congratulations
November 24th, 2010 at 9:58 am
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To bad Mike Williams didn’t play like he is now when he was Raider.
*****
There’s an interesting article about him and how he turned his life and NFL career around.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/seahawks/2010-11-23-mike-williams-insider_N.html
November 24th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Always anxious for another Raider game, but I’m particularly antsy right now and it’ll only get worse after Thanksgiving is over.
Other than the Donks, Miami is the weakest team we’ll be facing the rest of the season. Can’t drop below .500, particularly as San Diego is surging and the Chiefs have a fairly easy schedule. This is a must win.
November 24th, 2010 at 9:59 am
As far as I see it, there are two potential strategies for finding a QB in the offseason:
One, find a guy in the third round or later. He’ll be developmental, but could potentially help by late next season (a la Colt McCoy). But for this to pan out, the 2nd rounder needs to be C/G, and the RT and WR spots need to be upgraded as well.
Two, attempt to trade Nnamdi (he’s the only player on the Raiders roster who has any trade value, yet the Raiders could possibly live without) for either a draft pick high enough to take Andrew Luck (unlikely), Jake Locker, etc. OR for a guy already in the league like Kevin Kolb (acquiring second round draft pick along with him). In which case you’d have to draft a CB in the 2nd or 3rd round. In this case, o-line and WR still need an upgrade.
To be honest, I don’t see Al doing either of these things. Especially because A) Al probably sees drafting another quarterback as “giving up on Campbell” which he’s not ready to do, and B) I think Nnamdi is going to be a Raider for life. But those are the steps it would likely take to get a legitimate QB in the offseason.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:00 am
oaktown1 Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Somebody on here mentioned trading for Josh Johnson from Tampa bay. Yes! Yes! Yes! How soon can we get this done?? Somebody put up a billboard @ the stadium so Al can get a clue. I was actually hoping they would’ve traded for him this past offseason. With an opportunity like this Josh would be an elite qb
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Seen plenty of Josh Johnson and I dont see what you see. He’s a one trick pony with running skills, but can’t read a defense any better than JC, actually worse.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Congratulations bro!!! Kids are great, I have three!!
Change any messy diapers yet?
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thanks Jimmy!
Jimbo, I changed the first 2 at the hospital and probably the first 5 of 7
since then mom sort of took over and I assist with gathering the diaper, wipes, vaseline (circ) and a little towel to cover his peepee so we dont get drenched if he decides we aren’t moving quick enough. also i’m the official binky holder during diaper changes. it calms him so he doesn’t cry like like a madman
November 24th, 2010 at 10:02 am
November 24th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Somebody on here mentioned trading for Josh Johnson from Tampa bay. Yes! Yes! Yes! How soon can we get this done?? Somebody put up a billboard @ the stadium so Al can get a clue. I was actually hoping they would’ve traded for him this past offseason. With an opportunity like this Josh would be an elite qb
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I think Josh Johnson is a solid option because they can bring him aboard and he can be both an upgrade over Kyle Boller, and a potential #2 guy if Gradkowski isn’t re-signed. No outstanding QB controversy or anything like that, and at the same time the Raiders would get a kid who can play. Whether he can be consistent as a starting QB remains to be seen, but I think it’s worth a shot.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:02 am
I’d love to trade away whatever it takes to get Luck or Locker in a Raiders Uni.
Anyone is fair game. It starts and ends with your franchise QB.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:03 am
thanks PA!
agree that Miami is a MUST WIN
November 24th, 2010 at 10:04 am
thanks Jimmy!
Jimbo, I changed the first 2 at the hospital and probably the first 5 of 7
since then mom sort of took over and I assist with gathering the diaper, wipes, vaseline (circ) and a little towel to cover his peepee so we dont get drenched if he decides we aren’t moving quick enough. also i’m the official binky holder during diaper changes. it calms him so he doesn’t cry like like a madman
*****
LMAO, that’s cute…”binkie holder”. Them’s the family jewels!
November 24th, 2010 at 10:04 am
binky = pacifier , for those not “in the know”
haha
November 24th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Clinton Portis put on IR. Career over?
November 24th, 2010 at 10:05 am
All you semi Pro bloggers in here today or hours from now, “HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING” and enjoy your life and surroundings with family and friends.
To all my semi pro’s who I have had contact with since Fargas was let go,
RRS, BCZ24,Marley, JFB, M, Dakota, Raider O, Jhill, DMAC, THE BAUCE, Norco, Maverick, LMN (euro stealth)Plunk,EXLA, BSJ (preppie) SNB666, thanks for keeping me interested on this blog with your comments and have a great Holiday.
Rest of the Nation, enjoy and continue to debate the QB situation as it becomes more interesting each week.
To Jerrry McDonald, thanks for the news and updates always, also to Jon Becker for suriving this blog of semi pro’s.
Have a good Thanksgiving, and I will see some of you this Sunday.
Keep the Faith,
Dell
November 24th, 2010 at 10:05 am
The Eagles have 2 good/ high salary QBs, so one should be available after this season. I like Vick more than Kolb. We need a guy like that. He can great plays, and he can help the entire offense (rushing, passing, and OL blocking).
November 24th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Clinton Portis put on IR
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seriously?
did he pull a VY or something?
I thought he was over his groin tear and questionable this week while Torain was ruled out ???
November 24th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Have a good Thanksgiving
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you too Dell!
enjoy
November 24th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Clinton Portis – RB – Redskins
Redskins placed RB Clinton Portis on injured reserve.
A recent MRI on Portis’ groin revealed only swelling, and he had expressed optimism that he could play in Week 12, but it was never a realistic possibility. His Redskins career is almost certainly over, as he’s due a $8.254 million salary in 2011 and is sure to be cut over the offseason. Keiland Williams will be the team’s No. 1 back for the time being, though we expect Ryan Torain (hamstring) and James Davis to factor into the mix, as well.
Nov. 24 – 11:27 a.m. ET
Source: Jason Reid on Twitter
November 24th, 2010 at 10:08 am
To even suggest that Al Davis should sign Gradkowski to a long-term contract as a starter shows how accustomed to bad football you’ve become.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:08 am
275.RaiderRockstar Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Congratulations bro!!! Kids are great, I have three!!
Change any messy diapers yet?
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thanks Jimmy!
Jimbo, I changed the first 2 at the hospital and probably the first 5 of 7
since then mom sort of took over and I assist with gathering the diaper, wipes, vaseline (circ) and a little towel to cover his peepee so we dont get drenched if he decides we aren’t moving quick enough. also i’m the official binky holder during diaper changes. it calms him so he doesn’t cry like like a madman
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LOL, the joys of being a father and husband, nothing better in life bro. It’s amazing how fast your life will and has changed just in the few days your son has been born, it gets better every day bro!!
November 24th, 2010 at 10:11 am
I don’t know about you, but I think it’s a blessing in disguise that Scott is out. Shonasty needs to be used in all down/distance situations. I think Jarvis Moss is a low risk – low yield move. They don’t expect him to do anything but hold the fort while Shonasty takes a breather. I wish Richardson were still available, but them’s the breaks.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:11 am
This cant be about jc vs. grads. In a season like this, with cable still fighting to keep his job he cant afford to yo-yo the qbs. Im afaraid this debate is over becuase he has painted himself into a corner. The abbra -caddabraa, pull a grads out of the hat routine has been exposed as a desperation move which is largely ineffective. Not because one guy is better than the other, but because the staff must show leadership and stick to a guy he named as the starter.
Cable has been as flaky as a pie crust. From meeting room beat downs, to clumsy qb meltdowns, to buffet table chow downs. His win loss record is atrocious and he is hanging on by a thread. Flip flopping qbs goes against what cable has preached about staying the course and those other cliches he uses. When you lose, and your wishy washy, you wont be coaching the oakland raiders for long.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:12 am
it gets better every day bro!!
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Yeah it does. It aint easy, but better.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:12 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 5:42 am
Seriously the Monday night game this week is AZ – SF???
We better get some Monday night action next year.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You ready to pay me yet? I have been waiting….. Emails still going unanswered. If you are welching, just say so. So everybody knows.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:13 am
the joys of being a father and husband, nothing better in life bro. It’s amazing how fast your life will and has changed just in the few days your son has been born, it gets better every day bro!!
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Agreed!
he’s only 7 or 8 days old and I can’t get over how much I care for him. Didn’t know I could love anybody that much besides the wife. pretty amazing. I actually think he’s making me a better person
November 24th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Shonasty needs to be used in all down/distance situations. They don’t expect him to do anything but hold the fort while Shonasty takes a breather.
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Agreed!
ShoNasty is a beast. Moss may just be another situational pass rusher ala TScott
November 24th, 2010 at 10:15 am
This cant be about jc vs. grads. In a season like this, with cable still fighting to keep his job he cant afford to yo-yo the qbs. Im afaraid this debate is over becuase he has painted himself into a corner. The abbra -caddabraa, pull a grads out of the hat routine has been exposed as a desperation move which is largely ineffective. Not because one guy is better than the other, but because the staff must show leadership and stick to a guy he named as the starter.
Cable has been as flaky as a pie crust. From meeting room beat downs, to clumsy qb meltdowns, to buffet table chow downs. His win loss record is atrocious and he is hanging on by a thread. Flip flopping qbs goes against what cable has preached about staying the course and those other cliches he uses. When you lose, and your wishy washy, you wont be coaching the oakland raiders for long.
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Agree, and I would add a question.
What playoff hopeful team flip flops QB’s game to game? Is the camera ever panning the sidelines when the Chargers get behind to check who the backup is? Indy? Or even KC for that matter? Are they looking at Tebow? No.
But every broadcast, the national cameras pan to Grads when we get behind. They know the change is coming.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Cable and coaching staff are doing better than I expected, but I’m not impressed with Hue and his play calling. Also, the coaching staff including Cable is AVG at best.
- We need to play Walker at RG, and play Campbell at RT.
- We need to run more with DMC/ Bush.
- We need to cut Bennett and add a blocking FB.
- We need short/ quick passes to avoid the rush/ sacks.
IMHO
November 24th, 2010 at 10:17 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Agreed!
he’s only 7 or 8 days old and I can’t get over how much I care for him. Didn’t know I could love anybody that much besides the wife. pretty amazing. I actually think he’s making me a better person
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Yes sir, you sound like a father already!! Just wait until he curls up on the couch next to you to watch Raiders games!!! I have three that LOVE the Raiders!!!
I know, it’s a love you can’t describe, but I feel ya bro!!! God bless you and yours my Raiders brother!!
November 24th, 2010 at 10:19 am
Congrats on the new Podunkian addition, Scott.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:19 am
Happy Thankgiving Dell, Nation.
Enjoy the food, football, and a great time with your family.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Raider Rockstar,
You really have something to be thankful for this Thanskgiving! Cheers!
November 24th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Happy thankgiving TW. How are you bro?
November 24th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Raider O,
2 blog points if you can name this artist. love the song
“our houses are protected by the good Lord and a gun. You might meet’em both if you show up here not welcome son”
“our necks are burnt, our roads are dirt and our trucks aint clean. our dogs run loose. we smoke. we chew. we fry everything out here. way out here”
November 24th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Dont know if its a bad omen, but I started the Raiders D in my fantasy league, and I got crushed.
Starting them again vs Miami.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Jimbo,
Well said bro.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:22 am
“Are they looking at Tebow?”
Uhh, yeah they do. In fact, go back and watch the Mile High Massacre game again. The camera panned to him at least a couple of times on the sideline when the game was well out of hand (which began some time early in the first quarter).
November 24th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Congrats on the new Podunkian addition
You really have something to be thankful for this Thanskgiving! Cheers!
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thanks fellas. hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving as well
November 24th, 2010 at 10:24 am
I hope Campbell causes me to have come back here and eat some humble pie Sunday night/Monday morning. Always happy to choke down some crow if it turns out I was wrong about something that ended up benefiting the team.
But I’m not confident in that direction.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:24 am
thanks BSJ … that whole “liberal” thing will be cured when we have the baby dedication at church.
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Sounds like indoctrination.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Yeah they look at Tebow, but seriously he is just a gimmick QB not unlike what Vick was to the Eagles last year.
No one in their right mind is looking at him replacing Orton as the starting QB.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Congradulations RR!!
November 24th, 2010 at 10:26 am
I don’t know RR, but I like it.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
2 blog points if you can name this artist. love the song
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Isn’t that the Alabama state song?
November 24th, 2010 at 10:26 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:24 am
I hope Campbell causes me to have come back here and eat some humble pie Sunday night/Monday morning. Always happy to choke down some crow if it turns out I was wrong about something that ended up benefiting the team.
But I’m not confident in that direction
*****
I’m right there with you walking down that “doubting tomas” alley.
Serve me up some crow on Monday. I’ll get the ketchup.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:27 am
312.RaidingTexas Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
2 blog points if you can name this artist. love the song
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Isn’t that the Alabama state song?
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Either Alabama or Utah..
November 24th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Jimbo Says:
Yeah they look at Tebow, but seriously he is just a gimmick QB
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No disagreement here. Gimmicky QB drafted to excite the J-freak fans and sell tickets/jerseys.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Isn’t that the Alabama state song?
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No, it’s “Oh Susana, don’t you cry for me…”
November 24th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Who is Josh Thompson?
November 24th, 2010 at 10:29 am
I love the great state of Alabama.
Podunk South.
I miss it, lived there 5+ years. I will retire there if I can.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:29 am
VY is a head case -remember the suicide episode
Cutler is an even bigger head case
Vick is a murderer of animals and inconsistent
We need the next Matt Ryan…a young guy that can come in when have an established running game and good wide receivers to support him (like Ryan has in Atlanta)
Then and only then can we all feel better about the QB situation in Oakland.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:30 am
We need the next Matt Ryan…a young guy that can come in when have an established running game and good wide receivers to support him (like Ryan has in Atlanta)
+++++++++++++++
Say it with me: Christian Ponder (since we have zero chance of getting Andrew Luck)
November 24th, 2010 at 10:31 am
you guys are hilarious!
November 24th, 2010 at 10:31 am
mistic1 Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:11 am
This cant be about jc vs. grads. In a season like this, with cable still fighting to keep his job he cant afford to yo-yo the qbs. Im afaraid this debate is over becuase he has painted himself into a corner. The abbra -caddabraa, pull a grads out of the hat routine has been exposed as a desperation move which is largely ineffective. Not because one guy is better than the other, but because the staff must show leadership and stick to a guy he named as the starter.
Cable has been as flaky as a pie crust. From meeting room beat downs, to clumsy qb meltdowns, to buffet table chow downs. His win loss record is atrocious and he is hanging on by a thread. Flip flopping qbs goes against what cable has preached about staying the course and those other cliches he uses. When you lose, and your wishy washy, you wont be coaching the oakland raiders for long.
Let me ask you this, would you draft Denard Robinson or J Harris from Miami? What about acquiring Troy Smith or Tavaris Jackson?
November 24th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Every week, Cable has to address a group of skeptical reporters with the same question. Grads or JC?
Its like having sh!t smell on you trying to escape flies.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Andrew Luck reminds me of Alex Smith I hope he has a better pro carrer!!
Great college players!
November 24th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Who is Josh Thompson?
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Correct!
LOL @ Jimbo
No, it’s “Oh Susana, don’t you cry for me…”
November 24th, 2010 at 10:32 am
I don’t know fellas, personally I am a bit gun shy of drafting a QB… though it’s certainly not my choice.
However, there really aren’t very many choices out there outside of the draft..
I hate JaMarcus for putting our franchise in this situation. What a piece of crap he is. I hope his Thanksgiving SUCKS!!!
November 24th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Silver-and-black666 Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Andrew Luck reminds me of Alex Smith I hope he has a better pro carrer
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Dude.
Luck plays in a pro style offensive system, has a better arm, better movement, better footwork, better ability to read defenses.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:33 am
I hate JaMarcus for putting our franchise in this situation. What a piece of crap he is. I hope his Thanksgiving SUCKS!!!
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Judging by his belly, I’m pretty sure Russell has never had a bad Thanksgiving in his life
November 24th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Congradulations RR!!
Andrew Luck reminds me of Alex Smith
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thanks Silver!
with any “luck” the Raiders will steer clear of a QB in the first 3 rounds
November 24th, 2010 at 10:34 am
328.SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:33 am
I hate JaMarcus for putting our franchise in this situation. What a piece of crap he is. I hope his Thanksgiving SUCKS!!!
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Judging by his belly, I’m pretty sure Russell has never had a bad Thanksgiving in his life
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LOL… Every meal is Thanksgiving style for him…
November 24th, 2010 at 10:34 am
hate JaMarcus for putting our franchise in this situation. What a piece of crap he is. I hope his Thanksgiving SUCKS!!!
Russell can get high and hammered the rest of his life traveling the world and have money to spare, he’s one lucky muthafu$#er
November 24th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Russell can get high and hammered the rest of his life traveling the world and have money to spare
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Russell wants to be like KoolKell?
November 24th, 2010 at 10:36 am
LUNCH!
November 24th, 2010 at 10:36 am
inonewordraider Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Russell can get high and hammered the rest of his life traveling the world and have money to spare, he’s one lucky muthafu$#er
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No way bud. He will be BROKE in less than five years, GUARANTEED. He is too stupid and simply doesn’t have the mental apptitude to handle his money. Mark my words mang…
November 24th, 2010 at 10:36 am
St. Jimmy Says:
I hate JaMarcus for putting our franchise in this situation. What a piece of crap he is. I hope his Thanksgiving SUCKS!!!
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It’s Al’s fault. I don’t think anyone else was looking at him for a first round pick. The guy’s resume consisted of one great bowl game and a phenomenal combine show. If you were a piece of crap and were offered over $30 million guaranteed, what would you do?
November 24th, 2010 at 10:38 am
inonewordraider Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:34 am
hate JaMarcus for putting our franchise in this situation. What a piece of crap he is. I hope his Thanksgiving SUCKS!!!
Russell can get high and hammered the rest of his life traveling the world and have money to spare, he’s one lucky muthafu$#er
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Imagine if there were a law against what he did to this franchise. The $40 mill is a drop in the bucket. He made Al wast all the rest of the money on everyone else over that time. I’d say he cost Al 10 times that in wasted salaries to an entire underperforming team.
Al should sue JaSizzurp $400 million. That sounds fair. If he doesn’t have the dough to pay, then put him to work tossing peanuts and cleaning the urinals in Oakland Coliseum.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:40 am
335.RaidingTexas Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:36 am
St. Jimmy Says:
I hate JaMarcus for putting our franchise in this situation. What a piece of crap he is. I hope his Thanksgiving SUCKS!!!
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It’s Al’s fault. I don’t think anyone else was looking at him for a first round pick. The guy’s resume consisted of one great bowl game and a phenomenal combine show. If you were a piece of crap and were offered over $30 million guaranteed, what would you do?
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Agree with you to a point. However, Al doesn’t play the game, he pays players to play the game. 1st Round and 30 million dollars or not, he still SUCKED. He11, even if the Raiders drafted him in the 7th round or picked him up undrafted and paid him 500k he would still SUCK, doesn’t make a difference, other than that he is the biggest draft bust in the history of the NFL. He obviously doesn’t have a SINGLE ounce of self pride…
November 24th, 2010 at 10:42 am
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It’s Al’s fault. I don’t think anyone else was looking at him for a first round pick. The guy’s resume consisted of one great bowl game and a phenomenal combine show. If you were a piece of crap and were offered over $30 million guaranteed, what would you do?
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Well sorry if I am on my high horse, but I wouldn’t take the money if I had no intention of living up to my end of the bargain. I wouldn’t take a high pay job and just collect checkes without at least marginally trying to earn it.
JaLoser is a classless thief. He has no shame. A punk neverwas/hasbeen, who will likely get another payday just on his noteriety.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Silver n Black
Smith posted a 21–1 record as a starter in college, while leading a high-powered spread offense under head coach Urban Meyer.
Wiki
He was a stud in college I remember, I am not saying he is worth anything now. Sometimes great college QB’s just fizzle in the NFL.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:44 am
I give thanks that JaLoser is off our roster.
Amen.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:44 am
I agree however that Luck is the better QB!
November 24th, 2010 at 10:44 am
Agreed Jimbo. JaMarcus is about as classless of an individual there is… A complete loser.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:45 am
It’s Al’s fault. I don’t think anyone else was looking at him for a first round pick
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Actually, JaMarcus was largely the consensus #1 QB in that draft. Some people thought Brady Quinn, but most people thought the Raiders should draft Russell because of his raw tools and potential.
If it were up to me, the Raiders would’ve drafted Joe Thomas, though.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:45 am
340.Jimbo Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:44 am
I give thanks that JaLoser is off our roster.
Amen.
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LOL… Will that be your family Thanksgiving prayer?
November 24th, 2010 at 10:46 am
# Silver-and-black666 Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Silver n Black
Smith posted a 21–1 record as a starter in college, while leading a high-powered spread offense under head coach Urban Meyer.
Wiki
He was a stud in college I remember, I am not saying he is worth anything now. Sometimes great college QB’s just fizzle in the NFL.
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SNB’s point is Smith came from a completely different offensive system – one that is noted for producing NFL busts because that system is not effective on this level. It makes it much harder to evaluate talent.
Luck might be a bust, too, but at least he comes from a pro style offense. Makes it much easier to see what he has.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:46 am
St. Jimmy Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:45 am
340.Jimbo Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:44 am
I give thanks that JaLoser is off our roster.
Amen.
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LOL… Will that be your family Thanksgiving prayer?
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Indeed it will. “pass the gravy, please…”
November 24th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Joe Thomas
Levi Brown
Patrik Willis
Any of them would have helped us but NO we took JaSiccerurp
November 24th, 2010 at 10:48 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:45 am
It’s Al’s fault. I don’t think anyone else was looking at him for a first round pick
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Actually, JaMarcus was largely the consensus #1 QB in that draft. Some people thought Brady Quinn, but most people thought the Raiders should draft Russell because of his raw tools and potential.
If it were up to me, the Raiders would’ve drafted Joe Thomas, though.
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I know anyone can say anything after the fact, but I wanted Calvin Johnson. Imagine if we had him now.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:49 am
I wonder if it was really true that JaMarcus wouldn’t have fallen less than #3 overall. Is that just comfort speak to Al Davis, or was he just punk’d by the rest of the NFL?
November 24th, 2010 at 10:49 am
I agree Young American (Bowie)
I just said that Luck reminded me of Smith.
Maybe it was a bad comparrison
November 24th, 2010 at 10:50 am
# inonewordraider Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:31 am
mistic1 Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:11 am
This cant be about jc vs. grads. In a season like this, with cable still fighting to keep his job he cant afford to yo-yo the qbs. Im afaraid this debate is over becuase he has painted himself into a corner. The abbra -caddabraa, pull a grads out of the hat routine has been exposed as a desperation move which is largely ineffective. Not because one guy is better than the other, but because the staff must show leadership and stick to a guy he named as the starter.
Cable has been as flaky as a pie crust. From meeting room beat downs, to clumsy qb meltdowns, to buffet table chow downs. His win loss record is atrocious and he is hanging on by a thread. Flip flopping qbs goes against what cable has preached about staying the course and those other cliches he uses. When you lose, and your wishy washy, you wont be coaching the oakland raiders for long.
Let me ask you this, would you draft Denard Robinson or J Harris from Miami? What about acquiring Troy Smith or Tavaris Jackson?
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First off I dont know how this question pertains to my post in the least.
T jackson has won and has play off experience. He played in a passing offenses and backed up favre. He has a strong arm, but has turned the ball over. Has he become a better qb over the last two years being the back up? He would be another low risk option, he clearly can compete with jc and grads.
T. Smith is also a good low risk option. Smith has only 5 career starts and is 3-2 as a starter with 5 tds and 2 ints. He has a 300yd game in a come from behind win this year. He makes every throw, and likes to go down the field when the play breaks down.
Both of these guys are worth a sniff, both can compete with any qb on our roster.
I personally dont consider Harris and Robinson nfl qbs at this point. Nor do i think they will become or develope into nfl qbs. There are too many reasons to list.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Jimbo Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 10:49 am
I wonder if it was really true that JaMarcus wouldn’t have fallen less than #3 overall. Is that just comfort speak to Al Davis, or was he just punk’d by the rest of the NFL?
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From everything i’ve read, it’s true. Phil Savage, then the GM of the Browns, thought very highly of JaMarcus. He had known him since high school. Who knows, maybe he even could’ve succeeded there.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:53 am
I definitely wanted Calvin Johnson in that draft! No disagreement there at all.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:54 am
I know anyone can say anything after the fact, but I wanted Calvin Johnson. Imagine if we had him now.
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Would be crazy. I know y’all just have to take my word for it, but I’m really not lying when I say I wanted them to take Joe Thomas. I thought maybe Andrew Walter could still pan out if he actually had more than .00005 seconds to throw the ball.
Just goes to show how much I really know, which clearly isn’t a lot
November 24th, 2010 at 10:54 am
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From everything i’ve read, it’s true. Phil Savage, then the GM of the Browns, thought very highly of JaMarcus. He had known him since high school. Who knows, maybe he even could’ve succeeded there.
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Well that speaks to Phil Savage’s judgment and why he no longer is a HC in the NFL.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:59 am
Perhaps Cleveland would have taken him #3. Who knows? You’re only reinforcing my point, though. No GOOD teams with COMMON SENSE were taking him that high.
November 24th, 2010 at 10:59 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Young has started 47 games and played in a total of 54 games since being drafted in 2006.
8098 yards, 42 TD’s, 42 INT’s. Sacked 75 times
Overall QB Rating of 75.7
Also has 1380 rushing yards and 12 TD’s on the ground
fumbled 38 times (12 lost)
Same # of touchdowns & turnovers
Averages less than 150 passing yards and 1 TD per game
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I like to see stats but this is a classic example of what (Warren, I hate to say, Sapp) means when he says “stats are for losers.”
Vince Young is 30-17 as a starter.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Lame comments today.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Perhaps Cleveland would have taken him #3. Who knows?
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the colors turd brown & orange would have suited Jammy REAL WELL imo
November 24th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Vince Young is 30-17 as a starter
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504, Jeff George would have been 40-7 with the same supporting cast
November 24th, 2010 at 11:21 am
I wonder what the Donks owner thinks of that Jay Cutler trade now?
Bears are 1st place in that division. Donks are last place in ours
November 24th, 2010 at 11:24 am
Jarvis Moss played with Raiders receiver Louis Murphy in 2005 and 2006.
It goes without saying that the Raiders love to stockpile former first-round draft picks, and Moss makes 14.
-SF Gate
November 24th, 2010 at 11:24 am
361.RaiderRockstar Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 11:21 am
I wonder what the Donks owner thinks of that Jay Cutler trade now?
Bears are 1st place in that division. Donks are last place in ours
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He probably forgot, dude had Alzheimers..
November 24th, 2010 at 11:28 am
I wonder what the Donks owner thinks of that Jay Cutler trade now?
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Well, Orton has like double the yardage abd a far better rating doesn’t he? Cutler’s only edge is that Bears D.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am
Cuntler is a loser a real “Me” guy. He has talent but will never live up to his potential because of his arrogance and self centered demeanor.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am
What’s out record down the stretch and do we beat a heavyweight like SD or Indy?
A) 6-0
B) 5-1
C) 4-2
D) 3-3
E) 2-4 or worse
November 24th, 2010 at 11:41 am
our record*
November 24th, 2010 at 11:42 am
We all feel mad as hell over what happened. We were the takers and not the givers. We got the tables turned on us. It’s a good lesson for us. There’s a lot to play for this season, and it starts this week – Tom Cable
There were some things we did (that contributed to the loss) more than them, but I’m not taking anything from the Steelers – they beat the crap out of us. I told the guys, remember this experience. It sucks. It hurts. It’s humbling. The only thing you can do is go to work. – Mike Mitchell
As a team, it’s just a game we’ve got to put behind us, we’ve got to learn from it and we’ve got to bounce back. We’re still 5-5. All our games are still ahead of us and this is just a minor setback. – Jason Campbell
I think we’ll handle it like professionals. We’re still in the hunt, still in the race – Bruce Gradkowski
We’re always going to expect to run the ball. A strong point of our team is to run the ball. That’s what we were planning to do. This is going to be a motivation for us. – Darren McFadden
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pretty good leadership on this team
Meanwhile, Nnamdi Asomugha is chatting it up with Adam Schein and Rich Gannon (who Al Davis hates) about Sunday’s loss that he didn’t even play in and the so-called QB controversy thats none of his business
November 24th, 2010 at 11:43 am
Meanwhile, Nnamdi Asomugha is chatting it up with Adam Schein and Rich Gannon (who Al Davis hates) about Sunday’s loss that he didn’t even play in and the so-called QB controversy thats none of his business
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Meaning he’s not a leader?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Nnamdi needs to be flushed.
trade him to Philly for Kevin Kolb and the Eagles 1st rounder.
Dont talk to me about N21 being untradeable because of his contract either. Remember Randy Moss was traded to NE for a 4th rounder and prompty worked out a new deal to get them under the cap
November 24th, 2010 at 11:46 am
I’d rather trade him for Vick straight up.
Kolb has yet to do anything in this league. Only way we let Nnamdi go is for a franchise guy.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Meaning he’s not a leader?
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has he ever been?
I know he’s a cornerback, but come on man. I never see this guy fired up yelling at people or coaching them up on the sidelines. he does his job and goes home. thats called a role player. same with McClain
November 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Vick is inconsistent and will screw up soon he is a high risk do NOT trade for him!!!
November 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am
I would give away half my family and Nmandi to have vick on the squad….
November 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Matt Moore, CAR
Kyle Orton, DEN
Matt Hasselbeck, SEA
Alex Smith, SF
Troy Smith, SF
Trent Edwards, BUF
JT O’Sullivan, CIN
Seneca Wallace, CLE
Shaun Hill, DET
Brodie Croyle, KC
Chad Pennington, MIA
Tyler Thigpen, MIA
Tarvaris Jackson, MIN
Jim Sorgi, NYG
Kellen Clemens, NYJ
Bruce Gradkowski, OAK
Michael Vick, PHI
Dennis Dixon, PIT
Billy Volek, SD
Kerry Collins, TEN
Chris Simms, TEN
Rex Grossman, WAS
Tom Brady and Peyton have been left off the list for obvious reasons.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:50 am
I havent seen him inconsistent yet this year
November 24th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Sorry, those were 2011 FA QBs.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:52 am
if Vick gets a mega-deal in Philly i’ll be very surprised. He’s on a very short leash (no pun intended)
I don’t think he’ll go to the highest bidder either.
I think he’ll resign a modest deal and they’ll go 8-8 next year after telling Kolb to pack his bags. Then Kolb (like Schaub) will end up being a better pro QB over the long haul
November 24th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Im pretty sure were signing Alex Smith next year…Lmao I would commit suicide if we did….
November 24th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Dont talk to me about N21 being untradeable because of his contract either. Remember Randy Moss was traded to NE for a 4th rounder and prompty worked out a new deal to get them under the cap
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Not untradeable, just not for what you think he’s worth. Only a handful of owners want to pay what he’s making. They may tinker with the contract, but no way he is taking less base money than he gets now.
I am all for trading him away for even a 3rd rounder. He’s on the other side of 30 and his salary drags down other positions of need.
I love Nnamdi, but he needs to be shopped. If he can be a chip that brings us a QB like Luck, I am all for shipping him off.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:54 am
The leader of the Raiders right now is our hot tempered DT. He just needs to say “Woosah, woosah” a few times as he walks back to the huddle.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:54 am
RRS,
has he ever been?
I know he’s a cornerback, but come on man. I never see this guy fired up yelling at people or coaching them up on the sidelines. he does his job and goes home. thats called a role player. same with McClain
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Don’t think I disagree with you, just curious that’s what you meant.
If you can get a franchise QB, maybe. Who’s gonna give one up though?
Nnamdi to NE for a 1st, lol? Would have to then trade up to get Luck. There may be 2 QBs taken in the top 10.
Also, think you gotta give McClain a pass at least for his rookie season.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Alex Smith and his father complaing about there Girlish hands….
http://iamatvjunkie.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c17f69e20120a5a01abe970c-450wi
November 24th, 2010 at 11:55 am
LA, Orton signed a 1 year extension. cross him off your list. I’ll be VERY surprised if Chad Pennington sticks around too. he’s done
Collins will re-sign with the Titans and compete with or back up whatever QB they trade up and draft
November 24th, 2010 at 11:56 am
LA, Orton signed a 1 year extension
Ok, gotcha. Well, he was the best one on there. Oh well.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Im pretty sure were signing Alex Smith next year
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PD81, I wouldn’t be surprised. Al Davis loves former 1st rounders!
open competition between Campbell, Smith & Boller next year. R U READY ???
November 24th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Also, think you gotta give McClain a pass at least for his rookie season.
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Agree
November 24th, 2010 at 11:59 am
From that list, Orton and Thigpen are the only ones I would really consider. Maybe Troy Smith or Dennis Dixon, too.
Vick won’t be let go by the Eagles. Orton might not be let go by the Broncos, either.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:59 am
I’d rather have CONDO be our QB
November 24th, 2010 at 11:59 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Im pretty sure were signing Alex Smith next year
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PD81, I wouldn’t be surprised. Al Davis loves former 1st rounders!
open competition between Campbell, Smith & Boller next year. R U READY ???
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Scary, cause it’s possible.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
If Grads can help this team get to the playoffs, I’d like to see him continue to start. But if JC blows the last 6 games, I’d like them to blow up the roster, at least the Qb side. I am growing impatient.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
And the raiders selct Colin Kaepernick from Nevada in the 5th round
November 24th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
heads up!
JaWalrus will compete with whatever QB the Bungles draft … unless Carson Palmer takes a massive pay reduction to stay with the Cincy criminals
you heard it here first
November 24th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Carson Palmer has a noodle arm and shot confidence. I’d not want him on my team. Maybe holding a clipboard. He has David Carritis.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Orton is a dam good QB. He has really shocked me with his improvement over his career.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am
What’s out record down the stretch and do we beat a heavyweight like SD or Indy?
A) 6-0
B) 5-1
C) 4-2
D) 3-3
E) 2-4 or worse
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C), 50-50 we make the playoffs if we do this.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
with that qb list Bruce Almighty keeps sounding better and better, Carson Palmer wouldn’t be bad he was pretty damn good a couple years back, protypical Davis QB with a big arm
November 24th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Lame comments today.
We’re all dying for you insights
November 24th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
When Gradkowski loses, he, unlike Campbell, appears to be putting forth maximum effort…
Regardless, a loss is a loss.
We a need a QB…a bonafide NFL QB.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Anyone know anything about Tavaris Jackson/Vince Young? Any chance they end up in Oaktown?
Any other prospects via trade/draft?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
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Alex Smith really?? He is a back up QB at best Shawn Hill and JT Sullivan beat this guy out.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
T-Jax was absolute garbage a few years back.
Perhaps sitting behind Favre for a year or two did him some good?
I know he was probably the happiest guy in the Vikings locker room after Chilly got fired, until Frazier named Favre the starter (again – or still)
November 24th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
What Lynn said!
November 24th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Ima say it until im blue in the face lets go Colin Kaepernick…
November 24th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Alex Smith really?? He is a back up QB at best Shawn Hill and JT Sullivan beat this guy out.
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Jason Campbell got benched for Todd Collins & Bruce Gradkowski
yet he’s still our starting QB!
Donovan McNabb got benched for Jeff Garcia, Kevin Kolb & even Rex Grossman recently … he still starts for Washington
November 24th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Yeah , Rockstar,
I know what your saying but I’m just saying Alex Smith …really ???
November 24th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Alex Smith is a bum with the hands of 9 y/o girl
November 24th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Moss should only Thank God if he was signed by the Redskins – Danny Boy loves to pay that top dollar for overrated/underperforming talent. Let’s see how he does these next six games.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
JaDrank-us in a Cincy uniform next year would be PERFECT!
November 24th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
VY would be a better`fit with his buddy HUFF Daddy here.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Not so fast, my friend — all this talk about the Raiders picking up Alex Smith is just a smokescreen. Just remember – both Joey Harrington and Akili Smith are available!
November 24th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
VY is a head case and has never lived up to his potential.
remember his little suicide escapade
November 24th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
VY ain’t comin’ to Oaktown … Al has had enough of high-priced quitters at the QB position.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Moss should only Thank God if he was signed by the Redskins
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Jarvis goes to a team with (1) a better record that (2) beat his former team by 45 points and (3) he gets a revenge game in just 25 days
November 24th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Where’s the fix, Jerry?
November 24th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Should be a big day for the coaches. Also, we’ll see if that guy Chaz Schilens is going to play.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Where the hell is Jerry with his updates?
November 24th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Not so fast, my friend — all this talk about the Raiders picking up Alex Smith is just a smokescreen. Just remember – both Joey Harrington and Akili Smith are available!
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true – the Saints released Joey Harrington on September 5th.
JP Losman (Seahawks), Byron Leftwich (Steelers) and Patrick Ramsey (Dolphins) could also be available this offseason!
November 24th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Schilens will be back!…………………. on IR after his first pattern ran in practice