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Gradkowski re-injures shoulder

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, November 28th, 2010 at 5:21 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Quarterback Bruce Gradkowski re-injured his throwing shoulder in a 33-17 loss to the Miami Dolphins and rendered the Raiders’ quarterback issue meaningless for at least the next few weeks.

Gradkowski said it felt much like it did after the San Diego game, a third-degree separation which cost him five weeks.

Raiders coach Tom Cable said after the game the plan was always to go back to Gradkowski once he was completely healthy.

Much more to come later . . .

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  • Just Fire Baby

    he just said people in College dummy!!!!

    ***************************

    I know, none of those guys on that list will be drafted with the first 200 picks if at all.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    # Dhidee99 Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Raider75 You Suck Balls Too. Big Buffalo steamy in the winter balls!!! Elephant Balls on your face!!! Deez Balls in your Mouth!!!
    …….

    When you have nothing intelligent to say just insult somebody.

    Like talking to a 3 year old.

  • Dirtiest Raccoon

    Q. Mosses had an ok day as a back-up.

  • SnB Production

    Raider75,

    You live in a very simple world. And a sad one at that.

    Your entire underlying premise is that blacks are not capable of playing quarterback (the right way) because somehow they are genetically incapable of playing the position. THat’s what you are saying

    As a human being that believes totally in the equal opportunty to try and (succeed or fail) I find what you are saying totally offensive.

    You are the reason why some people in this world can’t move on from race (conservative or liberal)…why the world is so damn PC.

    Because for all the light hearted jokes out there…we have guys like you that actually believe it.

    Do you exist only to make life for others harder?

    Every man and woman deserves the right to try anything and be evaluated FAIRLY.

    I hope you aren’t a decision maker in your line of work…whatever that is!

  • Just Fire Baby

    What’s so great about pocket passing????

    **********************************

    LMAO!!!

    They are always in the Super Bowl maybe??

  • Dirtiest Raccoon

    300.priesttj Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    As long as they’re great players why does it matter if they’re pocket passers? What’s so great about pocket passing????

    There have been many and would be many more if the NFL would give them the opportunity. Lok around the NFL how many backup QB’s do you see that are black? not many well that has a lot to do with it. It’s no diferent than looking at that position as a whole they just wont let black QB’s sit and learn.

    ************

    And you think this is just cause they are colored?

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Raider75 Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    When you have nothing intelligent to say just insult somebody.
    —————————–
    Don’t talk about intelligence, dummy.

  • SnB Production

    Raider75,

    Are you from India? Because you think just like those people over there that believe in the caste system…..your lot in life is chosen at birth.

    Garbage bro….total garbage!

  • Dhidee99

    Raider75 Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    # Dhidee99 Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Raider75 You Suck Balls Too. Big Buffalo steamy in the winter balls!!! Elephant Balls on your face!!! Deez Balls in your Mouth!!!
    …….

    When you have nothing intelligent to say just insult somebody.

    Like talking to a 3 year old.

    ——————————————————————————————————-

    you been bad mouthing blacks all night and I cant get one jab in! Thats Why you Suck lil mouse balls

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Raider75 Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    When you have nothing intelligent to say just insult somebody.
    —————————–
    Can you believe this mofo talking about insults, and intelligence. Wow, some people.

  • Dirtiest Raccoon

    The #1 job of all NFL teams is to WIN. The #1 job of the QB is to PASS the ball.

    If you can’t pass well, it don’t matter if you can run/scramble. It is like a RB that can catch. Ya gotta be able to RUN the ball to make it matter.

    Just ask Kordell Srewert.

  • SnB Production

    The Raiders problems have nothing to do with the race of Bruce and Jason…they both don’t represent anything but themselves….and because they haven’t represented themselves well…the Raiders will have a new QB next year…regardless of color

  • Dirtiest Raccoon

    You people…

  • Just Fire Baby

    I think it is simple why there isn’t as many black QB’s, it’s simply there is no one in that position to try to immulate.

    As an athletic kid, do you want to be Kobe, Lebron or Randy Moss or Deon Sanders??

    Inner-city athletes aren’t going to relate to Peyton Manning, and inner-city HS football is not a passing style offense.

    Now with HS seniors leaving their last semester because of good grades and going to college for spring ball and the like, the inner-city athlete is way behind the learning curve and their peers.

    Not entirely fair, but just the way it is.

  • priesttj

    Very astute observation KK It is killing us we need what you call a possesion rec like Chaz especially now that ZMiller is hurting. He didn’t even make a catch today. Not having a WR like Chaz big physical athletic and and great hands is killing us. Not to mention that he runs great routes.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    Vick is a prime example of my argument.

    Dude didn’t study film or learn the playbook first several years because he relied on athleticism.

    As he gets older, he is realizing that he has to use his intelligence more and therefor his passing is improving.

    White guys don’t have that option. They know right from the start that they have to use their head because 90% of them lack the athleticism to overcome bad passing.

    If Vick couldn’t run. he would have been out of the league a long time ago.

  • priesttj

    Snb and if that QB can play great I wouldn’t care if were pumpernickle or white or black I want to win……….period. The rest of this stuff is crazy IMHO!!

  • Dirtiest Raccoon

    Raider75 Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:20 pm White guys don’t have that option. They know right from the start that they have to use their head because 90% of them lack the athleticism to overcome bad passing.

    **********

    SO whites don’t have the athleticism to develop the way Vick did? Hmmm

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    But, it’s always the black people who are accused of Racism, funny that.

  • J Hill

    So we went from the Gardowski being the best QB on our roster debate to can the black man play QB debate?

    LMFAO!

    Catch y’all in the morning.

  • SnB Production

    Michael Vick is following a similiar path that Steve Young followed.

  • Chris in NY

    Not so fast my friends.
    This is it: The Alamo. Save your draft talk one more week. This Chargers game could be pivotal. A win and we’re right back in the mix with a death grip on the division tiebreaker and another shot to take down KC. Laugh all you want, but I’m feeling it.

    I guarantee victory in SD next Sunday. GUARANTEE!

    SD is not as good as their press clippings. Rivers is, yes. But the rest of that 6-5 team can be had.

    Gotta get the ground game on track. Gotta get Chris Johnson back to help out and Nnamdi sharper than he was today. Gotta set up the play-action and find Ford and Murphy for a big play or two. But it can all be done.

    Who’s with me?

  • SnB Production

    320.J Hill Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
    So we went from the Gardowski being the best QB on our roster debate to can the black man play QB debate?

    LMFAO!

    Catch y’all in the morning.

    =======================================================
    Yup, that’s what it amounts too. Raiders gotta start some damn games!

    Later

  • Dhidee99

    Raider75

    Back to Funking with you.

    No more talk About you Sucking Balls I apologize For Saying you Suck Balls

    Now moving Along would you like to Hold MY balls no homo!

  • priesttj

    If I could have any QB I wanted right now, that QB would be Andrew Luck and I DON’T GIVE A DAMN WHAT COLOR HE IS, or race or creed of religious belief.

    Get me Andrew Luck and I’ll win a SB in 3 years. Second Mike Vick, my reason Luck is 6’4″ 240 and can run and throw like hell. Get Andrew Luck and we’re immediately a very good team.

  • djohnnyg

    There is NO WAY IN HE** the Raiders can win in SD next week so we are 5-7 GUARANTEED.

    I won’t be watching that game, but I guarantee you Oakland won’t even be competitive. This team is demoralized and defeated. They figured out they were pretenders after Pittsburgh and it carried over to this game where the Dolphins hammered that fact home in case there was any doubt.

    This whole franchise is such a joke. “Raider Resurgence” was the cry for a couple weeks, now it’s just back to “normal”.

    I don’t see how 5-7 is such an improvement over what they’ve been the last seven.

    It’s such a downer to see this org. self implode EVERY FREAKIN’ YEAR and just turn into a pile of dung EVERY YEAR! Heads down, “attitude” gone, just another bunch of losers who thought they had something.

    I’m not wasting another Sunday watching this pathetic POS team.

    I’ll jump on here next Sunday at 5pm (pst) and I GUARANTEE you I’ll be reading about yet another Raider humiliation. I’m guessing 48-6 if luck shines on the Raiders.

    Nothing has changed in Oakland.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    # Dhidee99 Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Raider75

    Back to Funking with you.

    No more talk About you Sucking Balls I apologize For Saying you Suck Balls

    Now moving Along would you like to Hold MY balls no homo!

    lol…

  • 504 Raider

    I’m with you Chris.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    # SnB Production Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Michael Vick is following a similiar path that Steve Young followed.
    …….

    Holy Sh!t. I don’t remember Steve Young the Mormon going to jail for 2 years.

  • Dhidee99

    KoolKell Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
    But, it’s always the black people who are accused of Racism, funny that.

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    But As ablack man I have too admit I am “Racist” I cant Stand CRACKERS (raider75)who Hate Black QB’s

  • SnB Production

    329.Raider75 Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
    # SnB Production Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Michael Vick is following a similiar path that Steve Young followed.
    …….

    Holy Sh!t. I don’t remember Steve Young the Mormon going to jail for 2 years.
    ==============================================
    Maybe if you would just follow the game and quit trying to make everything a social commentary…you might actually enjoy the game.

    You are who you are

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    Young rushed for 4239 yards in his Career with a 96.8 QB rating.

    Vick already has 4329 Rushing yards and a 79.1 career QB rating.

    I see the similarities. LOL! hahaha

  • CDERaider

    Put a fork in it. The real Raiders are back and this season is done.

    Coaching is terrible. Grads had no business being out there – it was obvious he was not 100% and he is not good as a starter anyway. The vanilla offense is a joke – so predictable its laughable. D is also so predictable its a joke. Unless there’s incredible individual performances, we get murdered. Without Ford, we get blown out 33-0. He was directly responsible for all 17 points.

    There’s no heart from the coaching staff. Watching the Dolphins coach get/keep the team fired up – while Cable and Co. stand there with blank looks on their faces, even when the game can still be won … is just maddening. Imagine what practices and team meetings are like. The team is a reflection of their coach. No heart. Watch the post game interviews on CSNBayArea – the players have given up. After Cable said, ‘we’ll be fine’ after getting embarrassed in Pitt last week – you knew it was over. Watching today’s ‘We’re dissapointed…’ crap makes you want to puke.

    Running game? Please. The oline cant move anybody and DMac is back to running into walls – and falling down. Passing game? Please. WR’s – even Murphy is starting to look like he doesnt give a F… – he is dropping more than he is catching and the alligator arms on that crossing pattern in the 4th qtr when the game was still in reach says it all. DHB is a total bust, was he even out there today? Actually its hard to tell because he is rarely targeted he cant get open on anybody. His one play – run reverse where he broke outside and went out of bounds instead of taking it inside where there was a hole was ridiculous – he didn’t want to take a hit. No heart. JLH checked out after game 1 last year – he can’t wait to be released – he was pissed he made the team. ‘Chill’ens is a lost cause. Give me 4 hungry players from the UFL/practice squads who want to earn an NFL contract over these bums anyday.

    Defense : The 70′s era Man defense gets exposed *everytime* with just simple crossing routes and timing patterns with average QB’s/WR’s. Unless the front 4 can get pressure they get picked apart. 3rd down was atrocious. How many 3rd and longs did they convert? All of them. Run D was horrible – DLine getting pushed back 3-4 yards on every play – missed tackles everywhere. McClain is NOT an upgrade over Morrison – he is slow and likes to take on blockers instead of making tackles. Morrison was way better than this chump. Look at the stats. McClain another one of these 1st round busts with millions in the bank and nothing to play for except the off season vacations.

    Bottom line – this team needs yet another new coaching staff – a HC with discipline who will make these players accountable and bring in coaches on all 3 phases who bring energy and creativity. Yeah right. Al is still kicking and running the show … aint **it gonna change till that changes.

    Raiders finish 6-10 (at best).

  • 504 Raider

    This is some funny stuff in here. Do you guys realize we are just like Cable?

    After the game Cable is so emotional and says things out of his current emotions. Then by Wednesday his brain kicks in and he has a different tone and says some things that make some sense.

    We are the same. We started out ripping the team, the coaches, and now we ripping each other. We not watching next week, we gonna lose next week, etc.

    By Wednesday and Thursday we are gonna be on here breaking down how we gonna win this game. Sunday at noon the grills will be burning and brews on ice waiting for the game to start.

    That’s why we one big family in here. Except for Cable.

  • priesttj

    Raider 75 man stop while you’re a tail, need I say Ryan Leaf……..

  • http://atm Raider O

    I think W Moon was the best QB to ever play the game.
    1- Moon
    2- Montana/ Elway
    3- Young/ Marino

    Now
    1- Manning
    2- Moon
    3- Montana/ Elway
    4- Young/ Marino

  • Chris in NY

    Realize this: If we beat the Chargers we are back ahead of them 13 weeks into the season and can still hunt down the Chiefs. None of our remaining games are easy. All are winnable.

  • Dhidee99

    Raider O Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
    I think W Moon was the best QB to ever play the game.
    1- Moon
    2- Montana/ Elway
    3- Young/ Marino

    Now
    1- Manning
    2- Moon
    3- Montana/ Elway
    4- Young/ Marino

    ________________________________________________________________________________________

    Now
    1- Manning
    2- Moon
    3- Montana/ Elway
    4- Young/ Marino
    5- Bruce/JC

    LOL!!!!

  • Dhidee99

    priesttj Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    Raider 75 man stop while you’re a tail, need I say Ryan Leaf……..

    ______________________________________________________________

    What If He Counters With Akili Smith Or Ja Walruss

  • http://atm Raider O

    Let’s look at all the QBs drafted in the 1st RD in the last decade. How many were black/ White, and how will did they do?
    I say more white QBs are busts than Black QBs!

  • Dhidee99

    Get ‘em

    Raider O Get’em!!!!!

  • http://atm Raider O

    Elway: was not a pocket passer (SB)
    Montana: was not a pocket passer (SB)
    Young: was not a pocket passer (SB)
    Moon: was not a pocket passer

    Manning: pocket passer (SB)
    Marino: Pocket passer

    Pocket passing is overrated!!!!

  • magic man

    Out of the remaining games left on the schedule it looks like the only possible win might be against Denver. The game in San Diego is going to be sad and ugly. The Raids are beginning to circle down the toilet. I just do not see the team rebounding after two very poor performances. Grads was late and short with throws to receivers that were breaking open today. Campbell is back in the saddle and his reads are slow and he holds the ball to long sometimes…not good when the oline cannot give enough time. Bottom line…this team ain’t goin’ nowhere with AD pulling the strings…late

  • Dhidee99

    Raider O Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
    Elway: was not a pocket passer (SB)
    Montana: was not a pocket passer (SB)
    Young: was not a pocket passer (SB)
    Moon: was not a pocket passer

    Manning: pocket passer (SB)
    Marino: Pocket passer

    Pocket passing is overrated!!!!

    ——————————————————————————————————-

    Get’Em !!!!!

  • gobolts

    Class of the AFC west is back… Bolts blow up Manning yet again… Nice try Faders and Chefs, too bad you have to play 16… Keep at it though, you are getting better….

    NFL is all about the QB… Cassel, Grad/Campbell just are not good enough…

  • CDERaider

    # djohnnyg Says:
    November 28th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    I could care less if Nnamdi ever plays a another down for the Raiders. I don’t blame him for all the losses but what has his presence done for us anyway? WITH him we have 7 Double Digit Loss yrs. in a row. Does anybody think we could do any worse without him?

    Trade his overrated arse for a decent QB and see what happens. He has some value on the open market, let’s get what we can for him.

    WHAT HAVE WE WON WITH HIM? NOTHING!!! Can’t do much worse for crying out loud.

    —————————————————–

    Totally agree – as much as I like the guy as a personality, Nhamdi is totally overrated – and not a winner. Doesn’t play big when it counts, yet he is all over the limelight when he has earned nothing. He is and never has been a playmaker, esp to match his contract or status. Speaking of, contract he squeezed from the Gheezer is laughable – untradeable so forget about that. He’s the highest paid CB in the NFL and is scheduled to make top 3 avg QB money next season or go into FA. I say let him go regardless, he’s just not worth it. I wanted to release him 2 years ago when he entered FA – before he got that ridiculous contract everyone in the league laughed outloud about. We can get 4-5 quality players (starters) for his current salary and honestly the D is only marginally better with him on the field – its the scheme, not the players that is keeping them at the bottom of the pack year after year. We can thank AD for that and that will not change until he passes the torch – or passes on more like.

    While I’m at it – same applies for Seabass and Lechler – both overrated and paid *way too much* to perform like avg (less, in the case of Seabass) or slightly more (Lechler) than avg NFL players at their positions. Lechler’s great avg means dick when you’re 5-11 year after year – for the money he makes, we could have a decent LB for Christs sake. And Seabass is one of the bigger j(ch)okes in the league. They have done nothing to help win and their lax attitude is part of the bigger cancer that must be removed (but won’t be).

  • raiderfankirk

    The D played well for being on the field the whole game, with the exception of covering Bess (Chris Johnson was missed there). Why not adjust the D? Double? I liked the way they mixed up the calls though. They should have switched QB’s when it was apperant Bruce was’nt healthy. I could see that at the beginning of the game. There’s not a QB in the league that misses that many throws when their healthy. Hue’s play calling whan it came to the ground game sucked, a few draws = ok, but power formation early in the game w/ no misdirection( why don’t you just tell the D “hey were gonna run it over there”) Aso’s not gonna be on the team next year unless he restructers his contract.I would like to see him @ SS. I don’t think he would have played if Johnson and Ware were available. It went from looking good to not so good this season in a hurry w, no healthy real QB on the roster. Hey the Pats are cheap as dirt and don’t really want to pay Brady (I can dream if I want too, could you Imagine). We are a QB away from a SB. Al keep em coming till we get a good one!! Maybe another league would be a good place to start.