Raiders revert, and it hurts
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, November 28th, 2010 at 10:35 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Brought back some bad memories, didn’t it?
The same team that went into its bye week at 5-4 and full of hope is either a shell of itself or has simply reverted to what it has been starting in 2003.
The Raiders were out-blocked, out-tackled and blacked out. They were inferior in both the passing game and the running game. Had it not been for Jacoby Ford and and a couple of early Miami failures in the red zone, a 33-17 loss to the Dolphins Sunday at the Coliseum would have been _ and probably should have been _ much worse.
If you’re looking for some positive reinforcement, check out another site. Having had no problem saying how good the Raiders have been during their three-game winning streak, putting flowers on this pig is not an option.
News, notes and observations from the Raiders’ most disappointing game of the season:
– Even up to the time when press box announcers are supposed to announce lineup changes, Jason Campbell was the alleged starter. Asked a media-relations member and was told, “We have no changes to announce.”
If only the Raiders could only get over on an opponent the way they did with the media. What an incredible waste of time for a team that claims to put all its emphasis on winning to act in such a moronic fashion.
Sure fooled everyone with that Bruce Gradkowski switch. Gradkowski said he learned he was starting “at the beginning of the week.” Campbell said he found out Tuesday. Cable said he realized Gradkowski would start Wednesday once he was 100 percent healthy.
Because, you know, it was always going to be Gradkowski’s job once he was healthy. Cable has contradicted himself on this several times, but no matter. Coaches aren’t obligated to tell the media the truth except when it suits their purposes, and now that Gradkowski is hurt, it doesn’t really matter.
Not that it was handled with aplomb. If the Raiders were actually trying to go out of their way to look ridiculous, they couldn’t have done any better.
It’s apparent Gradkowski (surprise!) is down for awhile, re-injuring his throwing shoulder. He didn’t want to talk about or think about it, but said it felt like it did following the first San Diego game. And he returned five weeks later.
So now Campbell is back in the saddle, unless Kyle Boller is warming up in the bullpen. I heard second-hand Sunday night the reason Campbell was benched is that he’s not right for the Raiders as currently constituted, considering his issues with a pass rush and the club’s problems at wide receiver.
– Campbell wasn’t pretending to understand the double-talk, on one hand being told Gradkowski would get the job when healthy, and on the other hand still getting the start against Pittsburgh.
“My thing was in the Pittsburgh game, well, he was healthy,” Campbell said.
– Behind the scenes, the Raiders are fighting the perception that Campbell is the favorite of Al Davis, while Gradkowski is preferred by Cable and Hue Jackson.
“You’re a competitor and you like to compete, but by no means are you understanding or anything,” Campbell said. “It’s kind of tough because you’re caught right in between something and you don’t know what’s going on.”
Must be all that great communication Cable has talked about with his quarterback.
– Darren McFadden has fallen and he can’t get up.
In the last two games, McFadden, who has looked every bit the No. 4 overall pick in 2008, has 16 yards on 18 carries. Yes, there are issues with the offensive line. Privately, the coaching staff is concerned that he’s not running as he did before.
Right tackle Langston Walker seemed to think opposing teams are simply taking him (and other Raiders running backs) away.
“If teams are smart, if they have good defensive coordinators, they are going to load up against the run when they play us,” Walker said.
– The more Jacoby Ford does, the more damning it is for Darrius Heyward-Bey.
Telling moment _ Gradkowski has Heyward-Bey in single coverage on his left, with the safety drifting cheating toward the middle. He sees this, drops back, and lets fly a deep pass down the right sideline toward Marcel Reece. It is intercepted by Yeremiah Bell. Gradkowski said he was giving Reece a chance, given what he’s shown as a playmaker. He never considered Heyward-Bey even after he saw the coverage.
Reece is an intriguing but undrafted wide receiver turned tight end turned fullback. Heyward-Bey is the No. 7 overall pick in the 2009 draft and the alleged deep threat of the future.
The coaching staff is starting to reduce Heyward-Bey’s time on the field. He had far fewer snaps than normal and when asked if Heyward-Bey was still nursing a sore hamstring, Cable said it was simply a factor of the wide receiver rotation.
Not sure if another Raiders receiver is capable of making the 44-yard touchdown grab from Gradkowski, smoothly hauling it in while turning to his left and stradding the sideline for the score. He later repeated his magic act of taking an interception away from a defender with his 52-yard reception to set up a field goal.
– Davone Bess of the Dolphins caught six passes for 116 yards, had three punt returns for 60 yards with a long of 47, and the Raiders had no interest in him as an undrafted free agent. He went to Skyline High, grew up within sight distance of the Coliseum and was a big fan of Tim Brown.
Bess doesn’t have the 40-yard dash time Al Davis prefers, but his skills as a receiver are off the charts. He had subtle pushoffs on at least two catches worthy of a 10-year veteran.
“I’m excited to come home and get to play in front of my home city, my family, my friends, all my close ones that supported me through this,” Bess said. “Just to get the W, that’s my focus. Just get the win.”
– It was almost comical to see the Raiders go into damage control mode, with players getting serious briefings about what to say and not to say if scheduled to take the podium. Players shrug their heads at this later and laugh when it’s brought up informally.
– Zach Miller is confirming that is original “arch injury” was a torn plantar fascia, a very slow-to-heal condition. He hurt his right leg later in the game. Cable called it a “fibula” injury. Miller caught one pass for six yards and is currently a shell of himself.
– When winning, every move a coach makes seems to work out, and then you have Walter McFadden.
McFadden had a good week of practice following a game in which Jeremy Ware got poor reviews from coaches against Pittsburgh. So McFadden was the nickel back, but for some reason, Ware was inactive even though Chris Johnson was out with a groin strain and Nnamdi Asomugha was playing with an ankle injury.
McFadden got torched for five catches and 113 yards, including four third down conversions and another on third down because of a defensive holding penalty. Asomugha, who had given up five catches for 87 yards all season, gave up four receptions for 65 yards and also had a holding penalty resulting in a Miami first down. He conceded afterward he couldn’t plant and turn _ sort of a prerequisite for playing cornerback.
With Ware inactive, it’s not like Asomugha had any choice but to stay in the game.
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November 28th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
45.Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
42.Raider O Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Damn Raccoon.
I was talking about HOF QBs from the modern era, but you had to look up stars. Why bro? Why?
LMAO
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I’m just like that O. Ya know. lol.
RAIDER on my friend!
November 28th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
36.Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
10.Raider O Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Best QBs to ever play this game:
Manning: pure pocket passer
W Moon: not a pocket passer
Elway: not a pocket passer
Montana: not pocket passer
Young: not a pocket passer
Pocket passing is overrated!
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Yep
Moreno
Kelly
Bart Starr
Favre
T. Bradshaw
Johnny U
Brady
Rivers
Jim Hart
Bartkowski
Delhomme
Flacco
Staubach
Ken Anderson
Len Dawson
Frank Tankerton
Phil Sims
Bobby Herbert
Broadway Joe
Dan Fouts
Dave Krieg
Oh yeah and how could I forget KENNY STABLER!!!
Plus, look at the NFL stats. The five highest-rated quarterbacks in the NFL are pocket passers. Peyton Manning, Damon Huard, Marc Bulger, Philip Rivers and Drew Brees win games with their arms, not their feet.
I still luv U O.
November 28th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
November 28th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Best QBs to ever play this game:
Manning: pure pocket passer
W Moon: not a pocket passer
Elway: not a pocket passer
Montana: not pocket passer
Young: not a pocket passer
Pocket passing is overrated!
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If these guys did not PASS well, it would not matter how well they ran, or from where on the field they rhrew.
November 28th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
The Raiders play so much man-to-man, that opposing QBs, RBs, WRs, Offensive coordinators
ALWAYS
know how to game plan against them. There are never big surprises. You know what makes the Steelers hard to block? You never know what they’re doing!
Are they in a cover 2, a cover 3, man, cover 4, blitzing, standard rush?
Oakland? Yeah, man defense, one deep safety, no surprises, easy to disect.
The McClain INT came on a zone defense where he dropped and read the QB.
November 28th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Absolutely devastating loss… All the excitement about that three game win streak is gone and rightfully so. For those of us looking for signs of a true turnaround, we need to look at the 1999 season under Jon Gruden. Gruden’s Raiders finished 8-8 but none of the losses were by more than a touchdown. This season is nothing close to that. Losses to Ten, SF, Pitt and now Miami have been noncompetitive and demoralizing. I grew up a Raider fan and will always remain emotionally vested. However, if I had to follow and report on this team on a daily/weekly basis I can understand why JMac no longer is…
November 28th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Pocket passing is NOT overrated.
Happy Bro?
November 28th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
6.Raider O Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Pocket passing is NOT overrated.
Happy Bro?
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No, I am not too happy. The RAIDERS lost and it HURTS!
Make me angry, and an A$$ hole! Sorry O. It’s not you it’s me…
November 28th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
And once Henne proved he could pick apart that Raider big blitz, and Miami proved they could block it, why did Oakland continue to blitz and leave a wounded corner and a rookie corner one-on-one????
November 28th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
Worth repeating…
If there was anything good to come out of this loss, it’s that Oakland should now see that they NEED a new QB.
The last two weeks BETTER prove to the Raider brass that our playoff QB of the future is not on our roster right now.
November 28th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
Damn. You People need to relax. I’m not the enemy. LOL
Raccoon aka Big Dirty Bear,
Smoke something before you kill someone.
November 28th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Maximus,
It’s all good bro. It is frustrating when we know we can win, but the team doesn’t play up to expectations.
It’s sad, and the players wonder why the fans don’t to attend home games?!
November 28th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
10.Raider O Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
Damn. You People need to relax. I’m not the enemy. LOL
Raccoon aka Big Dirty Bear,
Smoke something before you kill someone.
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You crack me up O.
I started drinkin hours ago. Need smoke!
November 28th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
I get your point Alex7, and I agree. We need to be more creative with playcalling on Defense.
November 28th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Raccoon aka Big Dirty Bear
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More like Smigg Dirtee…
November 28th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Great Article Jerry. Seriously, after playing games with Campbell (the guy who went 3-1 btw and gave us all some hope) and benching him in this bogus fashion (the 2nd time this year by the way, go the rug pulled out) is now supposed to come back knowing the coaches have no confidence in him. What a joke .. Benching Campbell was a huge risk and it backfired big time. Grads is not a starting QB in this league – maybe Campbell isn’t either but the Raiders played much better this year with him in the lineup and the W/L record shows that – at least Campbell doesn’t throw ridiculous passes up for grabs. Grads could have been picked easily twice more today and simply was aweful.
Cable will be fired – barring some miracle – and this will be one of the reasons cuz you know Campbell is Al’s guy. Although no one will want the job – so we’re back to square 0 all over again..
November 28th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
RRAAAAAAIDEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSS!!!
November 28th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Why is dhb not on the field more? Murphy hasnt proven to be any better.
November 28th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Raccoon,
I’m smoking blue dream and Purp.
Bonging hard bro.
November 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
More creative playcalling is called get the ball to the playmakers simple as that. Zack is hurt and Chaz is still hurt Murphy is average and DHB is MIA they’re tired of waiting on him IMO. If he had done what Ford did when he took the bal away on his int he would’ve been a lot more involved in the game. He doesn’t make plays, Ford does……period
Maybe Murphy JLH and DHB dhould take notes from this rook.
November 28th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
Damn for real, even when I get burt blitzing on madden I stop lol,
One game no sceens and the next all day on 3rd and long.
At least we all agree on the smoke!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Grad was terrible! Slot machines have better arms than grads. Cable & grads must go.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Ford was a beast, and he needs to start. He started today, and he should continue to start. He plays bigger than his size. He jumps and fights for the ball, and he wins most of the time. He has great natural hands, and he has great speed.
Best WR on our roster IMHO.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
CDERaider Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Great Article Jerry. Seriously, after playing games with Campbell (the guy who went 3-1 btw and gave us all some hope) and benching him in this bogus fashion (the 2nd time this year by the way, go the rug pulled out) is now supposed to come back knowing the coaches have no confidence in him. What a joke .. Benching Campbell was a huge risk and it backfired big time. Grads is not a starting QB in this league – maybe Campbell isn’t either but the Raiders played much better this year with him in the lineup and the W/L record shows that – at least Campbell doesn’t throw ridiculous passes up for grabs. Grads could have been picked easily twice more today and simply was aweful.
Cable will be fired – barring some miracle – and this will be one of the reasons cuz you know Campbell is Al’s guy. Although no one will want the job – so we’re back to square 0 all over again..
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Bruise isn’t an NFL player period!! If Cable didn’t have the same Bruise fetish as JFB and fAig, there’s no way the guy would be in the league. Cable has turned the Raiders into a team of scrubs. I want that guy out of here tonight!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
I have to admit I thought it was “strange” to learn on Saturday that Bruce was going to start this game. Big Al and Tom Cable look like stooges right now, just like they have for the better part of 4 seasons now. Both are so far outmanaged in their respective roles that it’s amazing we may end up with a 6-10 record. I guarantee you Norvell will run up the score in San Diego, our usual burial since Super Bowl 37. Look for a 44-7 Charger rout. Man, these losers teased us to believe there was something good to come out of this season.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
We should have contiued to ride jc and try to build for next year. Instead cable went all in with grads hoping to fool the fins and sneak us a win. Grads has been exposed & cable is a sham. Panic move backfired like a rusty muskett.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
– It was almost comical to see the Raiders go into damage control mode, with players getting serious briefings about what to say and not to say if scheduled to take the podium. Players shrug their heads at this later and laugh when it’s brought up informally.
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Can this so-called organization be more screwed up??? Al and his army of minion enforcers are delusional. At least Campbell tells it like it is. Sure he wants out of the Circus ASAP (count Seymour in that train too)
November 28th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
I blame the OC and DC for the garbage playcalling, but I blame Cable for allowing to happen. He is the HC, and he can change the calls.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Cable throwing up all over himself trying to explain his boneheaded mismanagement of the qb situation. It is officially a quagmire!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Ford is a blessing, almost makes the loss tolerable…almost, that and Jack Daniels.
Love 55’s pick but he is getting blocked left and right…I hope he can step it up. Those two white boys on the Packers are savages (not trying to make it a racial thing, just can’t remember their names)
Does 55 look a little small up top, just not coming off blocks.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Trade 2012 1st and 3rd rounders for 2011 1st rounder
1st round – C Stephen Wisniewski (Penn State)
2nd round – WR Michael Floyd (Notre Dame)
3rd round – QB Nathan Enderle (Idaho)
5th round – CB Davon House (New Mexico State)
6th round – NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame)
Sign FA CB Jonathan Joseph, G Harvey Dahl, RT Jared Gaither
Re-sign Seymour, Gallery, Huff, Bush.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
I noticed cable declined to throw grads under the bus like has other qbs’. Cable looks like a wishy washy weasel
November 28th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
Raider O yesterday I wouldn’t have agreed with that statement but today I would agree that Ford is our best WR the catch he made for the TD was a fingertip catch and the ball he took away from the DB was better than the on ehe stole in the KC game. The young man can ball………….period
He’s making DHB look like a sissy and the rest of them loook like they’re sslackers.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Do whatever trade whom ever, get us newton
November 28th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
I noticed cable declined to throw grads under the bus like has other qbs’. Cable looks like a wishy washy weasel
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No kidding. He’s saying stuff about how Scabs didn’t get enough opportunities with the ball. Cable could never wait to throw JR and Campbell under the bus. What a POS loser!!!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Doesn’t matter who would have started today at QB.
The Raiders got beat BADLY on the D-Line side of the ball and along the O-Line today!
They should have known coming in that they would need to run the ball effectively and stop the run and they didn’t do it at all! This game reminded me of the Houston game.
The coaches with their VANILLA schemes and game planning and the DLINE AND OLINES getting beat up and Grads being rusty was all a BAD COMBO today.
Chances are Campbell starts from here on out until he screws up again and Grads tries to be a spark.
Not even SuperFORD could save us today! He tried….but our lines were beat up on both sides of the ball again today.
They all need to play lower and play with more leverage and be more physical!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Im telling you…what happened to the oline run blocking? Just gone, folds under better dlines, pressue. Can’t pass if u have NO run threat!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Yeah people…..blame the whole loss today on Grads today why don’t you?
I guess the DLines and OLines played great today huh?
Sheesh….
November 28th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Miami didnt seem to blitz much but grad couldnt beat the coverage. Turn overs ruined his game as usual.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
I don’t understand why the O-Line is regressing again….and the D-Line is not playing with enough leverage either and Marshall is not blitzing enough….AGAIN!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
The right side of the offensive line was pathetic today.
Draft C Stephen Wisniewski from Penn State
Sign FA RG Harvey Dahl from the Falcons
Sign FA RT Jared Gaither from the Ravens
Hopefully Bruce Campbell can start contributing, too.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Doesn’t matter who would have started today at QB.
The Raiders got beat BADLY on the D-Line side of the ball and along the O-Line today!
They should have known coming in that they would need to run the ball effectively and stop the run and they didn’t do it at all! This game reminded me of the Houston game.
The coaches with their VANILLA schemes and game planning and the DLINE AND OLINES getting beat up and Grads being rusty was all a BAD COMBO today.
Chances are Campbell starts from here on out until he screws up again and Grads tries to be a spark.
Not even SuperFORD could save us today! He tried….but our lines were beat up on both sides of the ball again today.
They all need to play lower and play with more leverage and be more physical!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Not blitzing enough? They blitzed plenty. The problem was they didn’t get there enough, and when they didn’t the coverage behind them didn’t hold up. Routt, McFadden, Nnamdi and Huff were all victimized today.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Anyone who is delusional enough to think Campbell would have been any better and made any difference in the game today belongs in an insane asylum-the thought is pure stupidity.The guy has proven he is a piece of garbage.Today,Grads proved he belongs in the same landfill as Campbell.The real tragedy is Boller is never even in the conversation concerning the QB position.Does anyone with an ounce of sense not think he could be at least as schitty as Grads and Campbell.Arguing over whether Grads is better or Campbell is better,whether Grads should start or whether Campbell should start is asinine-they both suck.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Coaches and players better get their heads out of their azzes and stop playing scared and start pounding the rock with DMC and Bush and mix up the blocking schemes and run misdirection
November 28th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Doesn’t matter who would have started today at QB.
The Raiders got beat BADLY on the D-Line side of the ball and along the O-Line today!
They should have known coming in that they would need to run the ball effectively and stop the run and they didn’t do it at all! This game reminded me of the Houston game.
The coaches with their VANILLA schemes and game planning and the DLINE AND OLINES getting beat up and Grads being rusty was all a BAD COMBO today.
Chances are Campbell starts from here on out until he screws up again and Grads tries to be a spark.
Not even SuperFORD could save us today! He tried….but our lines were beat up on both sides of the ball again today.
They all need to play lower and play with more leverage and be more physical!
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Whatever. We opened the game with a 100-yd KO return for a TD. Miami started a QB with an artificial leg. They didn’t have Brandon Marshall. We had open receivers deep. We were at home. Face it man, Scabkowski is easily the worst QB on an NFL roster right now!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Once we get blown out in SD – not if, Cable must get canned. Let Hue coach out the year. Hue is NOT the answer but give him a shot – nothing can hurt anyway – and he can get 4 games to see if/what difference it makes (none). In the meantime, call Jim Fassel and tell him to be ready for 2011 – he’s the only coach who has done anything in this league who wants to coach the Raiders – he’s won back to back titles in the UFL and has some decent players he can bring over on the cheap. Should have hired him instead of Cable anyway – Cable is a left over of the Kiffin/JaBlubber fiasco and must go – his record is the worst in the NFL for head coaches – incredible the guy still has a job!!
We got to 5-4 and everyone (including me) was ready to say we’d turned the corner, but its a facade.
The pretty lady is just the old hag with different makeup. BTW, Campbell should be the starter next year – lets build a team around him and bring in a young QB to groom. Oline/WR is our biggest problem area by far and Fassel can fix this IMO.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
The oline stinks & everyone wanted to blame jc. Jc is the only qb that gives a chance to win . For cable to switch was risky, the flop may hae cost him & grads a job
November 28th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
# lefty12 Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Anyone who is delusional enough to think Campbell would have been any better and made any difference in the game today belongs in an insane asylum-the thought is pure stupidity.The guy has proven he is a piece of garbage.Today,Grads proved he belongs in the same landfill as Campbell.The real tragedy is Boller is never even in the conversation concerning the QB position.Does anyone with an ounce of sense not think he could be at least as schitty as Grads and Campbell.Arguing over whether Grads is better or Campbell is better,whether Grads should start or whether Campbell should start is asinine-they both suck.
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FINALLY….some one in here gets it!
This team needs to run the effectively and stop the run to have a chance at winning games and they have to hope whoever starts at QB plays average to win the game!
Raiders should try and trade for Kevin Kolb next year!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
I don’t know dknight, raiders got burned on two maybe thee 3rd down bliztes, got sacks on a couple others.
Its that damn constiant man coverage, it seems u got draft perfectly and the right personal for that, man all gets us killed all day. Any other side but NA is a sure catch.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
Maximus,
Clay Mathews & AJ Hawk. I think Hawk is a FA next year.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Kevin Kolb could be an answer….
November 28th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
I don’t think Cable keeps his job unless the Raiders go 8-8.
Wouldn’t mind seeing Hue get a shot at HC since the team seems to love him. In that case Al should bring back Trestman as the OC.
New WRs and DBs coaches are needed badly, too.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Doesn’t matter who would have started today at QB.
The Raiders got beat BADLY on the D-Line side of the ball and along the O-Line today!
They should have known coming in that they would need to run the ball effectively and stop the run and they didn’t do it at all! This game reminded me of the Houston game.
The coaches with their VANILLA schemes and game planning and the DLINE AND OLINES getting beat up and Grads being rusty was all a BAD COMBO today.
Chances are Campbell starts from here on out until he screws up again and Grads tries to be a spark.
Not even SuperFORD could save us today! He tried….but our lines were beat up on both sides of the ball again today.
They all need to play lower and play with more leverage and be more physical!
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Whatever. We opened the game with a 100-yd KO return for a TD. Miami started a QB with an artificial leg. They didn’t have Brandon Marshall. We had open receivers deep. We were at home. Face it man, Scabkowski is easily the worst QB on an NFL roster right now!
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Your trying to say that the outcome would have been different in Campbell would have started today??
No it wouldn’t it.
Did you see the Raider lines get BEAT on both sides of the ball today BADLY??
Did you see the amount of rushing yards the Raiders had today?
November 28th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
I’m not the biggest Rich Gannon fan, but he was a team LEADER and got us to a Super Bowl. There has not been one since he left this organization (if you can call it that). Richard Seymour doesn’t appear to want that role.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Late, go raiders, fuc the charges…peace, good night NATION!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Grads didn’t play well….but Campbell would have either played worse…or he would have done the same as Grads today.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Cam Newton is not pro QB material.We need a QB,not a RB trying to play QB.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Grads apologist are getting defensive. Not sure but was grads under the same pressure as jc last week. Seems the fins played mainly coverage, yiur qb must be better when he has time to throw. Our qb couldnt hit the ocean with a boat!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
# maximusR8DR Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
I don’t know dknight, raiders got burned on two maybe thee 3rd down bliztes, got sacks on a couple others.
Its that damn constiant man coverage, it seems u got draft perfectly and the right personal for that, man all gets us killed all day. Any other side but NA is a sure catch.
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Notice how you say 3rd down blitzes.
Thats the problem also…when they blitz they do it when it is predictable…3rd down….I rarely see a 1st down run or pass blitz from this team.
They are too predictable.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
Your trying to say that the outcome would have been different in Campbell would have started today??
No it wouldn’t it.
Did you see the Raider lines get BEAT on both sides of the ball today BADLY??
Did you see the amount of rushing yards the Raiders had today?
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That’s exactly what I’m saying. Did you forget that JC was 3-1 coming into this game? He’s beaten all three of our divisional opponents. And he’s gotten us blowout wins. What the hell has Bruise ever done for this organization to EARN the start today? There is no question in my mind that JC gives this team the best chance to win. Bruise is a scrub that would have trouble making an Arena team.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
FINALLY….some one in here gets it!
This team needs to run the effectively and stop the run to have a chance at winning games and they have to hope whoever starts at QB plays average to win the game!
Raiders should try and trade for Kevin Kolb next year!
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QB is NOT the problem!!! Campbell is good enough for now. Grads is not, plus he gets hurt way too much. Its the OLINE that is killing this team, has been for 7 years now.
We need upgrades at every position on the Oline – in order to run the ball consistently and protect the QB. AND WR’s who can get open and catch the ball, period! Overpaying for another team’s backup is the same sort of bad moves that have gotten us into this mess. You can win in this league with avg QB play and Campbell is that – and he is young enough and decently durable to build on for next year and beyond.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Lefty12 Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Cam Newton is not pro QB material.We need a QB,not a RB trying to play QB.
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you must not have seen him play. He is the best qb in college football. Dont take my word for it. Most pro scouts have him highly rated.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
BHP,
This was a great draft for us. We got a MLB, OT, WR, DE, and CB (McFadden will improve and ware is Solid for a 4th CB).
We need another CB, OLB, and this Defense can be special.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Grads apologist are getting defensive. Not sure but was grads under the same pressure as jc last week. Seems the fins played mainly coverage, yiur qb must be better when he has time to throw. Our qb couldnt hit the ocean with a boat!
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LOL!! And as the SD-Indy game showed tonight, no QB in the league is any good under relentless pressure. JC gets a pass for last week, especially when you consider all the drops.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
I’m all for starting Campbell from here on out and hope for the best.
It’s not going to matter though unless the O-Line and D-Line start playing lower with more leverage and start playing more physical.
It also isn’t going to matter unless the coaches get their heads out of their azzes either and stop being complacent during game week preparations and practice.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
See the Dolphins Oline just dominate our D – even on blitzes – thats what makes Henne look like frikin Marino. Put him behind our pathetic line and he gets crushed.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Yeah…it was Grads fault the defense couldn’t make enough stops and that W Mc was getting abused all game long huh?
November 28th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Jc is the only QB who gives us a chance to win”-get your head out of the sand.And quit being color blind.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
We just came out flat on the offensive/defensive side of the ball.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Yeah…it was Grads fault the defense couldn’t make enough stops and that W Mc was getting abused all game long huh?
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Well, since it was all JR’s fault last year even though the OL was worse and the receivers were bad rookies, yeah, I’d say it was Scabkowski’s fault.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
But Lefty12
It’s what we’ve been saying all along abut both of them one is no better than the other it’s a matter of likes and dislikes. IMO Campbell would’ve hit on 1 or 2 of those deep balls. While he doesn’t get rid of the ball as quick at least he’s more accurate deep. Now we can argue all night about wh could’ve done better we will never know because he didn’t play. I’ve said it over and over again he scares the hell out of me because he throws it up for grabs.
I also said last week that without a running game it made it very difficukt to beat the Steelers but everyone said Grads could win without a running game. Well we saw today he can’t, flat and simple he cannot.
Now the coaches are really in a fix because he’s hurt and they have basically told JC we don’t like you. Now what do they do?? If they start Boller they may as well cut Campbell becaus it wuld be the ultimate indignity. Either they start Campbell and stand behind him or cut him. Because he’ll never trust them again.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
Campbell is the savior…..or should we call him the messiah??
Bruce was the false prophet! LOL
It aint gonna matter unless the Raiders run the ball and stop the run consistently.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
Hopefully we have seen the last of the wild cat as well. We suck trying to run that gimicky crap. Although it was a better option than grads, not what we need.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
# jmeds Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
We just came out flat on the offensive/defensive side of the ball.
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Big time flat and THAT is the Coaches fault.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Campbell is the savior…..or should we call him the messiah??
Da Bruce was the false prophet! LOL
It aint gonna matter unless the Raiders run the ball and stop the run consistently….end of story and end of the lame QB debate.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
I’ve seen the scouts QB ratings and he isn’t even near the top.We can’t wait 5 years for him to become a true QB.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
You are all raider haters. I cant believe this tread. All u do is talk smack about the team. Bruce is a west coast QB he was burden hand picked QB. KC is a good QB with a good line to protect him. Until that day happens jc will look like crap. But boy does he have a pretty deep pass with time and a cannon for an arm something Bruce don’t have
November 28th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
18.Raider O Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Raccoon,
I’m smoking blue dream and Purp.
Bonging hard bro.
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Arjan’s Haze and Prup.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
63.Raider O Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
BHP,
This was a great draft for us. We got a MLB, OT, WR, DE, and CB (McFadden will improve and ware is Solid for a 4th CB).
We need another CB, OLB, and this Defense can be special.
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I agree O we are close on D.
But until we get an O-line we will not win when it matters!
Stephen Wisniewski in the 1st, RT/RG in the 2nd. OLB in the 3rd.
QB VIA trade of FA.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
Sign rt gaither next year. Draft sign or trade for a top center and start Bruce Campbell at guard and will have a beast of a line for cambell to become Jim pluncket lile al David said
November 28th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
This is the game that seals cables fate, an inexecusable face plant, while desperatly replacing a winning qb with his own pet project. Grads huge heart cant mask his underwhelming qb play. His competitive fire was doused by his own inept noodle armed pass attempts.
Cables hocus pocus qb roulette has finally crapped out
November 28th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
I never had Arjan’s haze. Enjoy.
It getting late. Later Gents.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Priest,Campbell has under thrown every long pass he has attempted.What on gods name makes you think he would have done any different today.I say at least Boller would get the ball there.Campbell is probably done here long term anyway so I really could care less if we hurt his feelings and he doesn’t trust the coaches.I know Boller won’t get a shot and to me,with the way JC and BG have shown how inept they are,that is a shame.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsV0wgxSrlY
November 28th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Tom Cable is done…
I was rooting for him but his time should soon be up if nothing else, for one significant reason!….
The play of the OFFENSIVE LINE!!!
I have said it from the beginning, ‘Fix The O-Line, Win The Division’!
The o-line is supposed to be Cable’s specialty, and for the past two seasons, he has FAILED miserably. Above all else, this is the reason Cable should be be relieved of his duties…
It’s too bad.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Newton is a passing qb, that can run. Try watching him play. He makes everythrow, and can bring you back to win late. Deadly accurate doesnt turn it over. I know you dont like him, but you are wrong about his nfl readiness. If he declares he would be the best qb coming out , i put him & luck 1-2
November 28th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Every game Grad has ever played his deep ball is under thrown since he doesn’t gave the arm to play al ball. Campbell with time is a beast but the o line doesn’t protect him well for some reason. Go figure
November 28th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Bring in vince young and a new coach. Draft for the oline
November 28th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
I think what everyone is missing is this, QB’s are going to have bad games and throw int’s and miss open rec’s and take sacks but at somepoint you have to as a coaching staff choose a guy and stand behind him. I don’t care what anyone else says, be they fans, media owner and whatever yu hav eto select a QB and he’s your guy come hell or highwater. Until he demonstrates in practice and in games that he is NOT the guy. Thenn you move on.
Just because JC had a bad game vs the Steelers doesn’t mean you pull him, you’ll never win that way NEVER. Even if both QB’s are very close in talent and production as a coaching staff you have to pick ONE GUY.
Or else neither will play with any kind of confidence because they’ll know you have no confidence in them. Unfrtunately in this situation Gradkowski cannot stay healthy enough to be the guy. So either play Campbell or Boller and STICK with whatever they bring you.
November 28th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Just in manning benched for next week game for throwing 4 int in a game
November 28th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
I’ve seen him play many times and I don’t share your opinion.Even the CBS SEC homer announcers mentioned he wasn’t that accurate of a passer.But if he does go high,thankfully we don’t have a 1st so we won’t be able to get him and he won’t set us back another 5 years.Someone else can have that headache!
November 28th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
It’s funny that many of you guys quote the record of victory with JC, something like 3-1. However, Campbell wasn’t responsible for really any of those wins, it was mainly Mcfadden. Campbell has already shown himself to be a bad quarterback, and now Gradkowski has as well. At this point, either we give up and just stick with Campbell, or go with Boller the rest of the season. At this point I pretty much prefer Boller. He really can’t be any worse…
November 29th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Boller is garbage. I hope we don’t start him. He was garbage for hue in the past. Strong arm that’s it
November 29th, 2010 at 12:01 am
V.Young-another bum.75 got raped over the coals earlier-so should you.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:02 am
Later Priest,I can’t take it any more this evening.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Maybe they pick up culpepper from ufl. Lol that would be funny as shat
November 29th, 2010 at 12:05 am
What was that idiot Cable thinking! Gradkowski, the rookie he was couldn’t do freaking wrong. If Campbell was in the game, old fat boy would pulled him less than a heart beat. Could pulled this clown, could you! Reverting back to the old team quickly. We got beat by the Dolphins with a bad wheel and wing, still paved us under. And for the first time on a National audience on the east coast. Offense struggle all day, a few bright spots. Ford all over the field, the janitor in the house, McFadden tried his best. Cable, the disaster he is. Come on NO EXCUSES for the play of GRADKOWSKI, sit his ASSSSSS DOWN!!!! No quick fixes for now exception of NO Cable next season. Had the locker room and lost it for good. Good night fat stuff and hope you’re on a train to nowhere! A fan disappointed in its play from the town of DC. Raiders forever.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:06 am
To be honest Lefty12 I have seen JC throw some nice deep balls beautiful deep balls. Our rec’s just don’t make plays until Ford. Early in the year yeah he was throwing it all over the place but since the first SD game he has shown that he can hit guy’s deep. He has shown an ability to throw some very good sideline passes. There are times when he looks really good but he is not very confident IMO he doesn’t make players perform to their peak level he’s not assertive. That is my only criticism with JC. Once he gets the ball out he throws a nice pass.
Now the prblem is he’s not as consistent as I would like with the slants and deep ins. But as a pocket passer he is head and shoulders better than Gradkowski.
That is my honest assesment, he needs to be much more assertive and a leader.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:09 am
wonderful.
laughingstock of the league again.
a head coach who’s proven himself to be al’s lapdog, and a retarded one at that.
an argument on over who’s the better qb, when in fact both are 3rd in the depth chart, if that, for most teams.
fans who flipflop on a daily basis on who they like.
sad, just ugly ass sad
November 29th, 2010 at 12:12 am
great priestj.
you just described a high school level qb.
someone who can, on occasion, hit a deep route.
shown he has the ability to throw “some” sideline passes.
isn’t a leader
is meek and unassertive.
in other words, Campbell has no right being on an NFL field
November 29th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Campbell will take us to a superbowl when we have a line to protect him
November 29th, 2010 at 12:18 am
Later Lefty12 nice talking with you brotha.
Well I’m out to guy’s
November 29th, 2010 at 12:20 am
Well you’re probably right Tony it is a serious indictment against him. No matter how good your skills are you must be a leader and so far he comes up short in that area IMHO. That is probably the coaches biggest issue with him.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:38 am
There really is something to the fact that TC looks and acts like Curly of the Three Stooges. If ZMiller is not 100%, why is he playing? If Nnamdi is not 100%, why is he playing? If WMcFadden is not ready for prime time, why is he at LCB? If Gradkowski wasn’t at 100%, why is he playing? If he was at 100%, he shouldn’t be playing. Why do I get the feeling this coaching staff really doesn’t have a clue? If JCampbell doesn’t have the tools to get the job done, why is he on the squad? If Boller is window dressing, do we really need to have him there? Our QB play has been terrible these last couple of games. Actually both our QB’s are really the same guy – a backup at best. Given that both DMac & Bush were QB’s in their earlier lives and the fact tat we don’t really have a real NFL QB available, let’s just run a modified backfield with Bush, DMac & Reece all at the same time and both run & pass from that formation. Screw the traditional QB position as we don’t have one of those. If nothing else it might be interesting to watch. Certainly won’t be any worse than what we’ve been seeing lately.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:43 am
Andrew Walter, please call home. At least he can throw a long accurate ball. And he didn’t panic with a heavy rush. He certainly wouldn’t be any worse than what we have right now. The future looks bleak. So what else is new?
November 29th, 2010 at 12:43 am
Dumbest idea ever
November 29th, 2010 at 1:19 am
Where to start ?
An absolutely devastating defeat. One, which for all intents and purposes ends the 2010 Raider season, unless they can somehow find a way to beat SD next week.
Fairly obvious from the start that Grads wasn’t 100%. His already questionable arm strength was reduced, just no zip at all on his passes.
That’s bad enough, but it’s no excuse for the crappy game he played.
Case in point: The interception on the attempt to Ford.
Grads rolls right, has a clear view of Jacoby streaking up the sideline, Ford’s got his man beat by 10 yards. The ball has got to be out of Grad’s hand without delay. Instead, Bruce hesitates, winds up having to throw an even longer, tougher pass which gives the coverage time to rotate to Ford and it’s an easy pick. Way to be indecisive and expose that weak arm, Bruce.
Just horrendous.
And to make matters worse, there were some short easy passes that were also off target…and there was also the JaJason like check downs for 3 yards when 8 were needed.
So it wasn’t only the weak arm which could be explained away if Grads wasn’t 100%…his accuracy, decisiveness and general play were just piss poor.
Very, very disappointing.
Next…WTF has happened to the running game ? There were a few attempted runs to the right that were completely demolished. I mean, the Fin defenders were 5 yards behind the LOS and McFadden had no chance. Completely blown up.
And the performance by the Raider DBs ? McFadden was torched, Nnamdi was getting used, Routt was continuously 5 steps out of position or trailing way behind the action. Pathetic.
Talk about getting lit up. Time of posession was so lopsided it was ridiculous.
We’re talking total team failure. A complete melt down.
Is a rebound against SD in the cards ?
With JaJason back at the helm ?
Doubtful. Extremely doubtful.
But if this team has any heart, they’re going to play their butts off.
If they lay down, then whatever good was accomplished this season goes right down the drain, and we’ll likely be looking at another ride on the revolving Head Coach carousel.
These guys better show some pride and professionalism next week.
November 29th, 2010 at 1:48 am
2 games behind KC, and really no chance of getting a wild card in the AFC. 8 years straight with no playoffs. Only accomplishments of ‘10 will be winning 3 straight for the first time since ‘02, and probably winning more than 5 games since the same, although that’s not official yet because we can easily lose out. When will Al get the message? What will it take?
November 29th, 2010 at 1:50 am
Gradkowski was set up to fail today, too. I’m convinced of it. Playcalling was a joke. He’s a WCO QB and we ran vertical all day. We’ve never done that with Grad before. Al Davis flat out set him up to fail, but forcing the vertical game on Cable and Jackson. This organization is the laughing stock of all of sports.
November 29th, 2010 at 1:53 am
Sorry Nation, but Bruce needs a new nickname. “The Polish Popgun” carries more firepower than is warranted.
Golly, what a treat. A McFadden on both sides of the ball. One doing an Elvis Patterson impression and the other laying down like a palooka when the fix is in.
Whatever happened over the bye week should be used as a lesson of what a team should not do.
November 29th, 2010 at 2:18 am
Painful to watch and it’ll be worse this time next week.
How did we get beat by a team that has done squat all season?
November 29th, 2010 at 2:24 am
For unvarnished anger, there was safety Mike Mitchell.
“It’s a simple question. Is everyone on our team going to decide that we’re done (expletive) around, and are we going to play?” Mitchell said. “That’s what this game was. It wasn’t coaching. It wasn’t scheme. It wasn’t anything. It was us. If you’re not 100 percent committed, you can’t play.”
November 29th, 2010 at 2:30 am
Jerry reports that he heard second hand that “Campbell is not right for the team as currently constituted”-meaning the offensive line can’t stop the rush.
Wasn’t that true when we gave up a 4th draft pick for him?
Isn’t that what Washington said-among other things-about Campbell?
In this game it looked as if Gradowski’s shoulder was still at issue at game time. Regardless, he played like crap.
Campbell would have been worse. As practically everyone has been saying, neither one is the answer.
We need to have another good draft, work on the offensive line, and look to the draft for a quarterback.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and get Luck. We could use some.
In this game, our game plan, the play calling, the adjustments, the coaching were all lousy.
We weren’t ready for this game any more than we were ready for the Pittsburgh game.
Most of all though Al, we badly need a strong GM.
How ’bout it Al? Even you need to retire at 81.
November 29th, 2010 at 2:37 am
Since this year began Cable has seemed to be a different coach.
The hiring of Jackson appears to have cut into his authority as head coach and he seems less sure of himself.
That shouldn’t be the case since Hue was hired as an offensive coordinator but I will guess that Hue is talking to Al over Cable’s head and that is what is making Cable nervous and maybe less effective than he was.
November 29th, 2010 at 2:45 am
By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Sunday, November 28th, 2010 at 9:34 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Filed a column for the print edition so running a little late on the postgame blog tonight. Since the temperature had dropped into the low 50s, figured finish at home.
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Gee, I am sorry for you Jerry!
It’s a balmy 22 degrees F. here and I’m freezing some important parts every time I step out of the door!
November 29th, 2010 at 5:21 am
You go back and look and we were winning at halftime and only down 6 with 9 minutes to go.
Sure in the hell didn’t feel like it.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:41 am
Pretty sure Campbell and Bruce will be gone after this year. No new coach is going to jump at a HC job straddled with those two at QB, unless we promote someone who has no business being a HC.
As the resident “Bruce” guy, I must say I was disappointed in his decision-making. But it wasn’t as bad as the “Non-Bruce” guys make it seem.
First off, we were winning at halftime. Posters have said if it were Campbell, he would have been benched earlier. Campbell was never benched with lead, and the closest game he was benched in was the Rams game 7-3.
Second, why does everyone keep saying Campbell was 3-1 heading into the game? Why leave off the SF game that was previous to that? He was 3-2 coming in, let’s all get that correct.
Third, as I have said all season, Campbell at his best is way better than Bruce, and Campbell at his worst is way worse than Bruce. This was Bruce at his worst, a 63.5 QB rating, 1 sack, two turnovers (the one INT should have been reversed) and 53% completion %. Campbell last week completed 36% of his passes for a 22 QB rating was sacked four times, and he had similar numbers against SF. Statistical and by points, Bruce was twice as good (laughable as that may sound) as Campbell the week before.
All that means, is that both of these guys will be out of the league in a matter of time. Same with Cable and probably Hue for that matter, as he is just as involved with the QB switch, a switch Al probably wanted no part of.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:55 am
Pretty sure Campbell and Bruce will be gone after this year. No new coach is going to jump at a HC job straddled with those two at QB, unless we promote someone who has no business being a HC.
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You know it’s going to happen, because what man who has any business being a HC in his right mind is going to want this job?
The best we can hope for is luring Harbaugh away from Stanford. Al and Harbaugh like and respect each other and Harbaugh may want the challenge of turning the franchise around. BUT, given Al’s reluctance to pay head coaches and the fact that more stable organizations will likely come calling, it’s a longshot at best.
That means Fassel, Gilbride, Wade Philips or promoting Hue Jackson. None of which inspire me with confidence.
A sad, tragic situation.
Excellent post, btw.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:02 am
I would take Fassell in a heartbeat. Not that he is some great coach, but at least he has coached before and won before.
Wade as a DC maybe, but not as a HC. Hue seems like he doesn’t get it in regards to putting his players in the best situation to succeed (see Bruce throwing deep sideline passes off a 12 step play-action bootleg, and Campbell the week before with zero screens and short passes).
Gilbride is the type of minion this organization needs no part of, yet will probably end up with.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:05 am
The last head coach we had any success under was Gruden. I’ve maintained since then that we need a coach with the “Chucky” attitude–get fired up, stalk the sidelines, curse the players when they screw up, give the refs an earful when they make a bad call or at least stand there scowling.
All of our coaches since him–Turner, Shell, Kiffin, Cable–have tended to stand there with a blank look on their faces when the going gets rough.
This organization needs an animated, fired up LEADER on the sidelines. Give them that and a “quiet lion” like Campbell can work in the huddle.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:10 am
I’d be fine with Philips as DC, actually ,the dude has undeniable talent in that department. He’s just out of depth as HC. Basically another Cable…excellent assistant coach, way over their head as HC.
Philips is a 3-4 guy, which I’ve said all season we’re a nose tackle away from having all the pieces for.
Seymour and Kelly at ends. RoMac and Goethel at ILB, TScott (when healthy) and Wimbley rushing off the edges. It’d work with a good 3-4 DC.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:13 am
Pretty discerning quotes and non-quotes after the game.
Seymour saying we were just going through the motions, MM34 saying that people aren’t giving 100%, players laughing off the record to Jerry about Al’s minions running around trying to put out fires, Campbell being trotted out during the week as a starter when behind the scenes he knew he wasn’t.
Why this organization wastes time and decreases productivity with this petty crap is beyond me. You would think Al at his age wouldn’t even have the energy for it, but he will probably spend his last days on earth trying to “outsmart” the media in his eyes.
Very sad state of affairs.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:14 am
McClain played well yesterday, lost in all the madness.
Filled up the stat sheet. 9 tackles, 8 solo’s, a pick, a TFL, a pass defensed and two QB hits.
Easily his best game.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:17 am
So true JFB. Only team in the league that tries to outfox the media instead of opposing offenses. You can tell Jerry is totally frustrated by the Raiders ridiculous treatment of media. And he’s used to it.
This team is so totally dysfunctional. There is no light at the end of the tunnel.
Still dark as night.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:22 am
Seymour’s and MM34’s quotes are eye opening. I thought we were past all that b.s.
Did some players on the team decide “Same old, same old” after being shellacked by the Steelers and pack it in? Disgusting.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:27 am
As for the offensive line…
Satele and Carlisle must go and the sooner the better. Carlisle no longer gets any push in the running game. His tank is empty. Satele is serviceable against the interior of 4-3 defenses, but he is a total failure against 3-4 nose tackles.
What the hell happened to the big holes Veldheer and Gallery were opening in the running game? Against the Steelers, I can see, but Miami is no great shakes. Not bad, but not great either.
I think it’s this: teams have a good bit of film now of what Veldheer and Gallery were doing in terms of blocking assignments and are now scheming to stop it.
Teams are run blitzing the sch!t out of us and daring the QB to beat them, which neither can. They’re not good enough and our receiving corps isn’t good enough.
It’s disturbing to hear Jerry’s note of whispers that DMac hasn’t been running as hard these past couple games, but I’m willing to give him a pass given that he’s being greeted by about six defenders almost as soon as he takes the handoff.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:29 am
Quarterback Bruce Gradkowski re-injured his throwing shoulder in a 33-17 loss to the Miami Dolphins and rendered the Raiders’ quarterback issue meaningless for at least the next few weeks.
Gradkowski said it felt much like it did after the San Diego game, a third-degree separation which cost him five weeks.
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remember when I called BG “Brittle Bruce” and everybody got upset and started calling me names?
LOL!
Is there another starting QB in this league who turns the ball over as much as Bruce does and gets hurt every other game that the coaching staff is so in love with?
sign Tyler Thigpen in Feb and let Grads walk the plank
November 29th, 2010 at 6:31 am
the Raiders REALLY missed CJ37 yesterday.
Nnamdi & Walter Mac played worse than Jeremy Ware did against the Squeelers!
November 29th, 2010 at 6:33 am
Nnamdi & Walter Mac played worse than Jeremy Ware did against the Squeelers!
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Nnamdi was working on one leg. Dude is a warrior. He should’ve never been out there.
I can see now why WMcFadden hadn’t seen the field all year. However bad Ware was against the Steelers (and boy did he suck) he’s still the better choice at this point.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Teams are forcing our QB’s and WR’s to make plays, and they simply are not.
You rarely see balls thrown into double coverage, yet we still aren’t making any plays sans Jacoby Ford.
Instead of trying to dink and dunk and find seams, Hue keeps dialing up the long balls in his rock-headed “I’ll show them” attitude and it is failing miserably.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:40 am
what happened during the bye week?
all that talk of “turning the corner” and then after the bye it’s Titans/Texans/49ers all over again
sorry guys, but I don’t see us winning another game all year. another 5 win season and coaching overhaul
Miami was the easiest game left on the schedule and they ripped us apart. No, having the early game in Jacksonville is no cakewalk either
David Garrard
MJD
Mike Thomas
Mike Sims-Walker
Marcedes Lewis
Kirk Morrison
November 29th, 2010 at 6:41 am
DHB seems like a nice, hard-working kid, so maybe he can do this organization a solid and restructure next year.
The guy is getting less and less run, and he is being badly outplayed by 4th round picks the last two years.
The whole clearing-out myth was about as perposterous as the Lochness Monster.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:41 am
Teams are forcing our QB’s and WR’s to make plays, and they simply are not.
You rarely see balls thrown into double coverage, yet we still aren’t making any plays sans Jacoby Ford.
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Jerry’s note that Bruce saw DHB with one-on-one coverage and no safety help and still decided the better option was to try and force the ball to Ford made me sick. Not on Bruce’s account, but on DHB’s. What a waste.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:42 am
Hue Jackson is a bum.
Perhaps Al Davis didn’t watch tape from his OC days in Washington or Atlanta?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:42 am
RRS,
I still think this team beats Denver. That’s like my last hope to cling to and I’m not letting it go. 6-10.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:43 am
What is an embarrassment is watching this organization put out weak subterfuge regarding their starting QB situation. It seems like they are hoping the media to look at the QB “controversy” as relevant, when in fact, the Raiders have the weakest set of receivers (sans Jacoby Ford who is a stud) in the NFL. But you can’t hide this weakness. Other teams have figured out all you have to do is stack the box. I doubt that Miller’s arch is going to improve this year. At 5-4, that was the apex of the season. It was nice to be relevant in November for a change. But this team is all about next year.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:43 am
I think we beat Denver, Jax and give KC a run for the money last game of the season.
7-9 with a nail-biter to end the year.
Jacksonville has not blown out anybody, and they are a lot of smoke and mirrors, IMO.
I watch a lot of Jax in the morning because MJD is my FF RB. They aren’t that good, although Garrard will frustrate the hell out of our front 4 I’m sure.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:44 am
JFB,
can the Lochness Monster play QB?
any play calling experience?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:45 am
I shutter to even think what the dischargers should do to the raiders next week after making the colts look like clowns last night. Is 40 to big of a spread?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:45 am
Jacksonville has not blown out anybody, and they are a lot of smoke and mirrors
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If the playoffs started today they would be in and Indy would be out. Nobody thought KC was the real deal either …
November 29th, 2010 at 6:47 am
I understand Jerry’s frustration with the media reports. He is supposed to be THE “Raiders beat reporter” and he was clueless as to who the starter was, even though the team knew since Monday. What was the point in all these games?
Did springing Grads on Miami at the last second really change the gameplan that much for them?
Why can’t this team act like a professional organization?
This shell game at the most important position is weak sauce and reeks of desparation. The Raiders at 5-4 going into the break really knew who they were after all.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:48 am
ghosttothepost Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:45 am
I shutter to even think what the dischargers should do to the raiders next week after making the colts look like clowns last night. Is 40 to big of a spread?
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At this rate, probably not. If I’m going to seriously guess, I’d say the Raiders are gonna be 13.5 point underdogs.
Take the Chargers and the points.
San Diego 41-Oakland 16
November 29th, 2010 at 6:49 am
If we had a decent QB, this Ford kid could be as good as Desean Jackson is to Philly. Imagine if we had Vick…
November 29th, 2010 at 6:49 am
I still think this team beats Denver. That’s like my last hope to cling to and I’m not letting it go. 6-10.
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Kyle Orton is playing better than Big Ben & Chad Henne this year, by leaps & bounds.
Unless the light suddenly comes on and the Raiders start playing inspired hungry football, we’re done bro
this team is flat right now. no motivation. totally unprepared on game day. thats a coaching issue imo
the talent is here. We beat KC without Nnamdi or Zmiller – both were on the field yesterday, even if it was at less than 100 percent.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:51 am
I wish I could eat some crow today, being a supporter of Grads, but never for the long term. Still, for me to eat crow, Campbell would have come in to save the day.
But it goes to show, you got 2 QB’s…and you got no QB’s.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:52 am
For some reason we have played the Chargers pretty close the last few years.
Last year we were playing like complete crap heading into SD, and somehow with Jamarcus Russell playing like crap, WR’s tripping over each other and giving Fargas close to 20 carries, we were still in the game with about 4 minutes to play.
I think we will play them close.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:52 am
I wish the Raiders problems were as easy as finding a quality QB. But even if, somehow, they magically found one, that’s still only scratching the surface of this team’s ineptitude.
The 0-line is horrible. Outside of Ford (who’s very young and inexperienced) and Miller (who’s playing on one foot) the Raiders have zilch guys who can catch the ball.
And I have not even addressed major problems such as and terribly inconsistent defense and a coaching staff that is darn near mediocre.
Eighth consecutive losing season … and counting.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:54 am
When Ford took that opening kickoff 101 yards to give us a quick 7-0 lead, I was hearing the black hole go nuts and I was thinking it was going to be a beatdown.
We ended up getting a beatdown alright.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:54 am
for me to eat crow, Campbell would have come in to save the day.
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JCamp is responsible for 3 straight wins and 4 of 5 before Hue Jackson got outcoached and the O-Line got overwhelmed in Pittsburgh
what has Bruce done to earn so much approval? 2nd half of the Rams game? How do we know JCamp couldn’t have done the same thing? JCamp was pretty doggone special in the 2nd half against KC & Sandy Eggo!
November 29th, 2010 at 6:55 am
“alex7 Says:
November 28th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
The Raiders play so much man-to-man, that opposing QBs, RBs, WRs, Offensive coordinators
ALWAYS
know how to game plan against them. There are never big surprises. You know what makes the Steelers hard to block? You never know what they’re doing!
Are they in a cover 2, a cover 3, man, cover 4, blitzing, standard rush?
Oakland? Yeah, man defense, one deep safety, no surprises, easy to disect.
The McClain INT came on a zone defense where he dropped and read the QB.”
Amen to that, brother.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:55 am
JFB .. you are right about the Raiders playing well against the dischargers — for whatever reason. But wow, after watching both teams play yesterday, it’s hard to have enough imagination to envision anything but a lopsided final score.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:58 am
I fear the Raiders season ended about midway through the third quarter of the steelers game. Sure looked like it yesterday — they play with no fire, whatsoever.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:58 am
Sandy Eggo 38
Oakland 6
November 29th, 2010 at 6:58 am
Stop making excuses for bruce, he stinks out loud. I listened on the radio it didnt sound like the fins did much blitzing. I will watch the game today in my office to see what happened.
Early infications are cable benched jason, in order to cover his olines inept play. Bruce 100% healthy proved who he is…again, a turn over waiting to happen. Our dline short on depth wore down, on the field too long. Our banged up secondary was victimized. Our oline was man handled.
Some of you said our o-line was good, & attempted to blame the pitt game on the qb, you were wrong.
Yet another head scratcher, as we come out fkat at home after an embarrasing lost, to be hammered at home by a team we should beat.
Cable must go at years end
November 29th, 2010 at 6:58 am
Not sure if Campbell is the type of guy to right this type of ship.
He seems pretty resigned to just go through the motions as well, and his coaching staff has zero confidence in him.
Just a terrible situation at QB. I say draft two QB’s next year, maybe Ponder in the second and Dalton or Stanzi in the 4th, and hope that mutual competition can bring out the best in them.
I am pretty sure Tom Cable, Hue Jackson or the next new HC won’t do it by themselves.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:58 am
JCamp is responsible for 3 straight wins and 4 of 5 before Hue Jackson got outcoached and the O-Line got overwhelmed in Pittsburgh
what has Bruce done to earn so much approval? 2nd half of the Rams game? How do we know JCamp couldn’t have done the same thing? JCamp was pretty doggone special in the 2nd half against KC & Sandy Eggo!
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Campbell is not the answer, and no one in here feels much confidence short or long term. He’s won because those games, the ST’s, Defense, and running games were on. Give some credit to the coaching staff in those games too.
But the league is quick to catch on. They have figured out the Raiders, while our coaching staff continues the same schemes.
We need new coaches, we need new QBs.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:00 am
I heard second-hand Sunday night the reason Campbell was benched is that he’s not right for the Raiders as currently constituted, considering his issues with a pass rush and the club’s problems at wide receiver.
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LMFAO!
So the team knows it’s WRs are terrible along with the Oline can’t protect?
Nice!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:00 am
Quick Raiders sample draft…not much thought put into this, so forgive me if something is absurd. I’ve seen others doing it and as a draft geek, I feel compelled to throw out one of my own.
2nd round: Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State – Love this kid. Could be an NFL ready starter within a season. Gives Al another chance to start Campbell next year to see if he pans out (and we know that’s going to happen)
3rd round: Kris O’Dowd, C, USC – Strong as hell, a mauler in the run game, good in pass protection and a team leader
4th round: Darius Morris, OT, Temple – Playing left tackle this year, but probably a right tackle in the pros. He has most of his experience at right tackle, though, so the switch back should be easy. I’ve seen several Temple games this year and believe me, this guy can play.
5th round: Terrence Toliver, WR, LSU – Reminds me a lot of that Schilens guy we’re rumored to have on the roster except, you know…healthy.
6th round: Anthony Gray, NT, Southern Mississippi – Haven’t seen this guy play, but dig this: 6′1″, 315 pounds. Prototypical size for a nose tackle…short, squat, can get leverage on the offensive guard or center and damn near impossible to move. From what I’ve read of his play, I’m encouraged. and hey, it’s a 6th round pick.
7th round: John Bender, G, Nevada: 6′8″, 325 lbs., an absolute beast in run blocking and plays with a nasty streak
November 29th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Bruce 100% healthy proved who he is…again, a turn over waiting to happen.
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I agree that Bruce did not play well at all.
But he only had two turnovers, and one of them was a bogus call. Zero sacks in the first half and a lead at halftime.
It was nowhere near as bad as the Tenn, SF and Pitt game. Granted (lol) those were all road games.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:02 am
J Hill Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:00 am
I heard second-hand Sunday night the reason Campbell was benched is that he’s not right for the Raiders as currently constituted, considering his issues with a pass rush and the club’s problems at wide receiver.
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LMFAO!
So the team knows it’s WRs are terrible along with the Oline can’t protect?
Nice!
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This is the RED FLAG you need to see that lets you know that the inmates are running the asylum. This organization is completly dysfunctional.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:02 am
We need new coaches, we need new QBs.
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Agreed!
I wouldn’t care if we just named JCamp or Boller the starting QB (barring injury) for the final 5 games … no more switcheroo, media games.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:03 am
Need new coaching staff for sure .. problem is, Al won’t hire and pay competent people … and even if he wanted to, nobody would come here to be constantly micromanaged by the man upstairs (and I’m not talking about God)
November 29th, 2010 at 7:04 am
Both of Bruce’s picks were on 1st down, when Hue dials up deep sideline passes fresh off a couple of much needed first downs for the defense.
Bruce backed up the scouting reports with noodle-armed throws, but unfortunately Hue Jackson apparently didn’t get those reports.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:05 am
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Agreed!
I wouldn’t care if we just named JCamp or Boller the starting QB (barring injury) for the final 5 games … no more switcheroo, media games.
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Yeah, might as well roll with a named starter, “for the rest of the season” in a press conference. Doesn’t matter if we get steamrolled the rest of the way. Just end the QB soap opera.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:06 am
I like Ponder, read some scouting reports last night on QB’s (lol…..took away some of the sting with some forged hope).
Ponder is slated for a 2nd/3rd round pick, is very mobile and extremely smart and coachable. Biggest asset was his ability to throw on the run the reports said.
Not a rocket arm for his size though.
Cam Newton is the 4th QB on Kiper’s draft board, behind Luck, Mallett and Locker.
Andy Dalton is slated in the 4th/5th round range which would be a good find IMO.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:07 am
And I don’t want another noodle arm QB like Carson Palmer either. Find us a P. Rivers clone. That is the guy I wish we had in Silver & Black. Rocket arm, lightning delivery, terrific vision.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:08 am
Some things to improve the Raiders.
Ford should be starting with Murphy. Find ways to get him the ball.
D.H. Bust should be let go at the end of the season. Draft on film study, not height, weight, 40 times…
Offense and defense are too predictable. Open up the playbook.
Pray that Aso and Chris Johnson get healthy.
Find a new coach, a new quarterback, and a new owner.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:09 am
Just end the QB soap opera.
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Well, the team needs to rally around someone or something if we’re about to make a late season surge (dont laugh). hard to do that if your team or even coaching staff doesn’t know the the QB is or should be. the QB needs to be on the same page as his OL & WR Corps if we’re to have anything that resembles a passing offense. rhythm & timing is key. and whoever that QB is, he better have the stones to address his teammates in the locker room and say “I’m gonna give it my all and I expect you to do the same”.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:10 am
DHBust’s PT is drying up, no longer targeted…
Imagine having to do another JaBustus release next preseason, less than a year after his glorious press release. That is pretty embarrasing.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:12 am
How bad does it suck to have your team’s season end in November (or earlier) for the eighth consecutive year? … I can’t even remember what it’s like to care about December football games … I think I’m going to jump on the Sacramento Mountain Lions bandwagon … Crap, that doesn’t work either … UFL season ends in November … Aw f#@* it, curling season is upon us! Yes!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:13 am
I don’t want another noodle arm QB like Carson Palmer either.
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Carson Palmer would be like a dream come true right now, at this point. I don’t care if he has a supporting cast of Benson, Owens & Ocho out in Cincy and cant win games. He has skills. Whether they show up every week is a different issue. Just get a talented QB on the roster man! It’s up to the staff to “coach em up” and put him in position to succeed
November 29th, 2010 at 7:13 am
Well, the team needs to rally around someone or something if we’re about to make a late season surge (dont laugh). hard to do that if your team or even coaching staff doesn’t know the the QB is or should be. the QB needs to be on the same page as his OL & WR Corps if we’re to have anything that resembles a passing offense. rhythm & timing is key. and whoever that QB is, he better have the stones to address his teammates in the locker room and say “I’m gonna give it my all and I expect you to do the same”.
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Honestly though, is JC that guy with the “stones” to do that? He doesn’t command the team. He seems to wallow and pout on the sidelines when the team is down. He isn’t involved with the coaching staff when he is relegated to the bench. He doesn’t even show some fire and complain about how he has been thrown under the bus several times. He just sits there and takes it like a good lap dog.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:14 am
curling season is upon us! Yes!
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I just flip to the NBA and root for every team the Lakers play against, which hasn’t worked out real well the past 2 years either
November 29th, 2010 at 7:16 am
He doesn’t even show some fire and complain about how he has been thrown under the bus several times. He just sits there and takes it like a good lap dog
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aren’t these the keys to being hand picked by Al Davis?
November 29th, 2010 at 7:16 am
RR … Yeah, I was going to ask how that was working for you … Personally, though, I’d rather watch paint dry than NBA regular season … Is it summer yet?
November 29th, 2010 at 7:17 am
The Raiders decided not to have Grads have the surgery
that was scheduled after the injury to the shoulder with rest and rehab the method of treatment so as to try to salvage the season after Al Davis decided his next Jim Plunkett was fool’s gold. This morning, I found out that Grads season is over and he will probably be going on I.R. and having the surgery. Sh*t happens but the Raider medical staff is known as one of the worst in the NFL. Right Henderson, Schilens, Nnamdi, Gallery, and others.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:17 am
But he only had two turnovers, and one of them was a bogus call. Zero sacks in the first half and a lead at halftime.
It was nowhere near as bad as the Tenn, SF and Pitt game.
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PLEASE stop!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:17 am
One thing that is kind of funny, in a way..
The loss against the Niners, when JC had a 10.7 rating, and then we were headed to Denver the next week; it looked like we were headed to our doom there as well. And the team rose up and beat the snot out of the Broncos in Denver.
Could this team sneak in another sucker punch win at SD?
November 29th, 2010 at 7:19 am
QB controversy is over for this season … Need a relevant team to have a controversy … The only controversy remaining on this team is whether or not it will announce 35,000 in the stands when we know damn well it will be more like 20,000
November 29th, 2010 at 7:19 am
Now that Bruce is gone, I will support and hope for the best from any Raider QB.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:19 am
Could this team sneak in another sucker punch win at SD?
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that would be hilarious!
sweep SD and still finish with 6 or 7 wins, haha
November 29th, 2010 at 7:20 am
JFB,
I got revenge on Exla this week in Dell’s FF league.
you’re next!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:21 am
Play for next year!
Embrace the spoiler role!
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Suggested Locker Room Posters to fire up the troops.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:21 am
nobody would come here to be constantly micromanaged by the man upstairs
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But they would go to Dallas and be micro managed by Jerruh Jones?
November 29th, 2010 at 7:22 am
Jimbo, that was different … We could have and should have beat the 49ers — and actually we could have won all our games to that point (minus the debacle against Houston) … But right now, the way we’ve played the last two weeks, I’m not sure this team could beat San Francisco City College
November 29th, 2010 at 7:22 am
I have DMC in one of my leagues. He’s been the suck lately, eh?
November 29th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Jhill … at least they’d get paid
November 29th, 2010 at 7:23 am
a bunch of my fellow Podunkers would appreciate it if we beat SD and lost in KC in WK17
thoughts?
Tis the Season, and all that
November 29th, 2010 at 7:23 am
I’m not sure this team could beat San Francisco City College
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I know I know. Just scraping the edge of the black cloud, looking for some silver lining.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Noble of you Jimbo … I guess 8 years of this crap is enough for me. I will always root for the Raiders (40-plus years & counting) but my patience is to the point of thread bare
November 29th, 2010 at 7:27 am
We know we can’t pass protect but we REFUSE to sign a backup C, or replace Carlisle and Walker?
LMFAO!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Week 18 the Raiders will travel to LA to face Occidental College.
the Oxy Tigers compete in the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SCIAC) at the NCAA’s Division III level.
the Raiders are 3 point dogs
November 29th, 2010 at 7:27 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:17 am
The Raiders decided not to have Grads have the surgery
that was scheduled after the injury to the shoulder with rest and rehab the method of treatment so as to try to salvage the season after Al Davis decided his next Jim Plunkett was fool’s gold. This morning, I found out that Grads season is over and he will probably be going on I.R. and having the surgery. Sh*t happens but the Raider medical staff is known as one of the worst in the NFL. Right Henderson, Schilens, Nnamdi, Gallery, and others.
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For real? You got this info from where?
November 29th, 2010 at 7:29 am
ghosttothepost Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Noble of you Jimbo … I guess 8 years of this crap is enough for me. I will always root for the Raiders (40-plus years & counting) but my patience is to the point of thread bare
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Ghost,
I too am in the 40 year club. Next year will be 41 and so on and so on and so on.
It’s not a club you can ever leave. It’s kinda hardwired in you. It’s like Heroin.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:30 am
It just makes me want to vomit that the Chargers can play so crappy year after year for the first half of the season … and because they are in the AFC Worst (the NFC Worst is even Worst) they can still and will win the division … Oh, to have a real QB and receivers who catch the ball like they do …
November 29th, 2010 at 7:31 am
I agree that Bruce did not play well at all.
But he only had two turnovers, and one of them was a bogus call. Zero sacks in the first half and a lead at halftime.
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more excuses?!? What do you mean only two? Only two more than we could afford. Even if the first one was dropped, it should have been picked, i told you bruce would eventually be stung and run out of luck with the near picks.
So much for that bruce makes quicker reads hype, he was exposed. His shelf life in the nfl is married to cables ( he wouldnt start for any other nfl team today), and the expiration date passed yesterday.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:31 am
Jimbo … at least we can recall the good old days … poor young Raiders fans … all they know is this lame ass excuse for a football team
November 29th, 2010 at 7:33 am
Norv Turner isn’t a good coach, and the receivers they got are pretty avg. Thier ground game is below avg. The defense has been up and down all year. Yet the Chargers always seems to win it. All because of Phillip Rivers. See what having a great QB does for you. It compensates for a sh!tload of other weaknesses.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:33 am
at least we can recall the good old days … poor young Raiders fans … all they know is this lame ass excuse for a football team
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Exactly!
I’m 27 man. I’ve never watched the Raiders win a Super Bowl on live TV
November 29th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Man, that was fugly!!
Completely outcoached and dominated on both lines. I actually feel bad for both McFaddens. That was easy pickins for the Miami O and horrible play calling by our O.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:35 am
If the teams gonna live in the past I guess the fans should too??
lame
November 29th, 2010 at 7:35 am
That’s sad RR … I remember the days when all we worried about was how to beat the Steelers for a trip to the Super Bowl
November 29th, 2010 at 7:36 am
ghosttothepost Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:31 am
Jimbo … at least we can recall the good old days … poor young Raiders fans … all they know is this lame ass excuse for a football team
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And as the years of ineptitude continue, a whole nother generation of would be Raider fans, the young ones will never get that Raider fan seed pollenated. Raider fanbase will dwindle as the older fans are the last holdouts of what was once a proud franchise.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Someone close to Bruce. I can’t name names but I was told of his start on tuesday but Jerry already had the info.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:37 am
You know, it would be perfectly in character for this maddening team to somehow rally to beat San Diego this week, lose to Jacksonville, beat Denver, lose to the Colts and finish up with a win at Arrowhead, thus going undefeated in the division, but still missing the playoffs.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:38 am
ghosttothepost Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:35 am
That’s sad RR … I remember the days when all we worried about was how to beat the Steelers for a trip to the Super Bowl
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That’s right. I remember is was like 5 straight years either the Steelers or the Raiders represented the AFC in the Superbowl. Those were the days that the all the rest just knew they had to watch another awesome AFC Championship game.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:38 am
RaiderRockstar,
Congrats, I wish I could have averaged out Peytons points. lol
November 29th, 2010 at 7:39 am
We are making a late season surge to improving NE’s draft pick.
Positives-
1. Jacoby Ford’s continued growth.
2. Run Defense (I know, crazy to say) held to 3.7ypc (respectable). Our defense as whole, considering they were on the field for 48 minutes, played ok. Cable killed us by deactivating Ware. Killer mistake.
3. Rolando McClain sighting.
4. Jacoby Ford. He was the only real positive so he made it twice.
Negatives-
1. QB play. Grads was TERRIBLE and should have gotten the hook at halftime.
2. RB play. McFadden was TERRIBLE. Did Bush even get a carry?
3. OLine play. Continues to be an abomination. Why hasnt Bruce Campbell replaced Carlisle yet? He cant be worse.
4. Offensive play selection and execution were the worst I have seen. Ever. It took til the FOURTH QUARTER to have a drive of MORE than FOUR PLAYS? Hue Jackson might not even be our OC next year, much less our HC like some people want.
5. Defense. They stunk up the joint, but Cable killed our secondary with a boneheaded move of deactivating Ware. The offense did them no favors. NO DEFENSE can survive staying on the field for 48 minutes. You just cant do it.
We didnt really need that –
1. Nnamdi is NOT ready to play, and will be a liability the next few weeks
2. Zack Miller is probably done for the year. (my conjecture, not fact, at least not yet)
November 29th, 2010 at 7:39 am
163.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:04 am
Both of Bruce’s picks were on 1st down, when Hue dials up deep sideline passes fresh off a couple of much needed first downs for the defense.
Bruce backed up the scouting reports with noodle-armed throws, but unfortunately Hue Jackson apparently didn’t get those reports.
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Great observation and gets to the core of the problem. Al Davis wants to play vertical offense….speedy receivers that get behind the safety and a QB that can just plain sling it anywhere on the field. Al then gets QBs like (Wilson, Schroeder, George, Collins, Walter, JaDavis and Campbell) to throw to his speedy receivers.
Unfortunately, those QBs flame out and some spunky thrower the coaches prefer emerge. Then we are trying to play deep ball with essentially WCO QBs that are more fundamentally sound but not physically up for it.
Al Davis needs to make a decision. Is it going to be WCO or Vertical. Make a decision and staff the coaches and players accordingly.
Because we don’t have the receivers to do the WCO short game either…….
Or the zone-blocking vs. power blocking……
Sigh
November 29th, 2010 at 7:40 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Someone close to Bruce. I can’t name names but I was told of his start on tuesday but Jerry already had the info.
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Curious why Jerry was reporting Campbell to start right up unto the kickoff on this blog. If he already knew that Grads was starting????
November 29th, 2010 at 7:40 am
Ex … Really, who cares? … Why don’t the team and coach just man up and talk about pertinent decisions … What’s the big secret … Are we going to have Crappy #1 or Crappy #2 as our QB … Here, let me flip a coin
November 29th, 2010 at 7:41 am
bcz24 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:39 am
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Solid post, bro.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:41 am
Cable’s reputation for getting the players to play hard is slipping like bald tires in the snow, & is largely undeserved. Too many blowout losses to count, & the state of our o-line. Dmac has masked their shabby run blocking.
Dhb if healthy needs to be on the field with ford. Murphy has not outplayed dhb. Only one receivers in game performance demands he sees the field and that is ford. If the rest of the receivers are producing about the same, then dhb’s draft status is the tie breaker. You must force feed him. It is no longer about winning, its about developing talent and building for next year, as i have said all along. This team is not good enough to be in the playoffs.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:42 am
Congrats, I wish I could have averaged out Peytons points.
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I bet. LOL
I was nervous man, especially since the Packers D only got me 4 points!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:43 am
Really, who cares? … Why don’t the team and coach just man up and talk about pertinent decisions … What’s the big secret … Are we going to have Crappy #1 or Crappy #2 as our QB … Here, let me flip a coin
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my thinking as well
November 29th, 2010 at 7:45 am
DHB should carry Ford’s shoulder pads on the practice field.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:45 am
I’m in 4 FF leagues and in position to make the playoffs in all 4.
December football isn’t completely meaningless
November 29th, 2010 at 7:46 am
I was hoping we could be relevant until December. It’s Nov 29th. Almost made it.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:47 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:45 am
I’m in 4 FF leagues and in position to make the playoffs in all 4.
December football isn’t completely meaningless
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good work!
I am in position in both my leagues, 11-1 and 8-4
November 29th, 2010 at 7:47 am
Mistic is right about Cable … Sorry, Cable Guy, you gotta go … He’s not a bad motivator, and we saw that in a couple of big wins at Denver and vs. KC … But at the pro level, firing a team up only works in short spurts …At some point we need solid game plans on both sides of the ball (how could we possibly be so outcoached with 2 weeks to prepare for Pittsburg?) … Cable is not an NFL head coach (and at this point, I’m not sure he’s even an NFL O-Line coach)
November 29th, 2010 at 7:49 am
The last time the Raiders were really good was with Gannon and Co. And the AND CO. could have been Rice and Co. Brown and Co. they had more than just some QB who could dink and dunk they had a similar running game in Garner. What the Raiders are missing is a key componnet to anybodies offense. Possesion WR. Raiders love burners but the burners are never the best route runners. JC/Bruce are vets now lets get them some vet WR to go with it and draft everything lineman. Oh and a #2 CB which has been missing since Deangelo gave us high to no hopes.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Anyone have guesses on the QB situation next year? My guess-
Mcnabb Boller Rookie.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:51 am
And speaking of Pittsburg (which ultimately will be pointed to as the start of the slide of the 2010 Raiders) how in hell did we think we were going to line up and play that team mano y mano? … No specific game-planning, no tricks — just line up and play … What idiots. Ben and the coaching staff must have been licking their chops after the first few series of that game … Just shows how inept coaching is on this team
November 29th, 2010 at 7:52 am
Problem with Cable is, how does Al fire him for doing exactly what he asked him to do? He followed instructions to the T. He always inserted Al Davis players and never made his own judgments.
Firing Cable (who has only been a puppet robot) is an admission that you peed your pants waiting for next bathroom urinal. No way to hide it.
What grounds do you fire Cable for? He followed bosses orders. What could you say wasn’t working out. “Oh, you should have stood up to me more, and stopped me from making dumbaas decisions Cable, your fired!” Is that the way it’s supposed to go?
November 29th, 2010 at 7:53 am
I am in position in both my leagues, 11-1 and 8-4
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nice job Jimbo!
quite simple, isn’t it?
As long as you dont start an injured player or somebody on their bye week, you have a chance to win. ANY GIVEN SUNDAY – I love it
November 29th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Dhitzz,
Jon Gruden was able to get WCO players to run a WCO offense…..
The Raiders have WCO QB in Gradkowski and a vertical QB in Campbell.
They vertical receivers….and a hybrid o-line with WCO and Power Blocking.
The coaches seem to prefer WCO but the Owner prefers Vertical. The players are drafted or free agents acquired to do the the vertical.
Hence the offense looks like mush. Get a philosophy and stick with it
November 29th, 2010 at 7:54 am
Negatives-
1. QB play. Grads was TERRIBLE and should have gotten the hook at halftime.
2. RB play. McFadden was TERRIBLE. Did Bush even get a carry?
3. OLine play. Continues to be an abomination. Why hasnt Bruce Campbell replaced Carlisle yet? He cant be worse.
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You can’t have a good run game when The QB and the o-line play that bad. Pittsburgh has exposed us for what we are, a one trick pony. They lined up and removed McFadden from the equation and said beat us with the pass…and now every team from here on out will do the same. We need to get a real QB and better o-linemen.
And a real HC.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:54 am
What up NATION???
November 29th, 2010 at 7:54 am
Gradkowski apologist are predictably silent this after that pathetic display. Now that the cat is out of the bag how does cable expect to garner thre respect of the team? Teams dont play for wishy washy coaches. Not only does cable look like barney rubble, he coaches like him too.
Benching campbell in the st. Louis game risky, but merrit was debatable. Benching campbell in pitt was merciful but not without the stench of desperation. Benchig campbell for this game after a the best and most meaningful football we have seen in years wad inexplicable. Cable just flip flopped right out of a job.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:55 am
Cable wont be fired. He just wont be retained. His contract is up, and the team will not see fit to replace him.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:55 am
The real weakness of this team is that the coaching staff has a formula built around speed that when all the parts are healthy, they should have the advantage. But other teams coach to mask their weaknesses. We coach to same formula and expose our weaknesses. All it takes is a good coach to detect our achilles heel and they will exploit it.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:56 am
Curious why Jerry was reporting Campbell to start right up unto the kickoff on this blog. If he already knew that Grads was starting????
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Because the info could not be confirmed. There were rumors but Cable was giving out misinformation.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:56 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:00 am
Quick Raiders sample draft…not much thought put into this, so forgive me if something is absurd. I’ve seen others doing it and as a draft geek, I feel compelled to throw out one of my own.
2nd round: Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State – Love this kid. Could be an NFL ready starter within a season. Gives Al another chance to start Campbell next year to see if he pans out (and we know that’s going to happen)
3rd round: Kris O’Dowd, C, USC – Strong as hell, a mauler in the run game, good in pass protection and a team leader
4th round: Darius Morris, OT, Temple – Playing left tackle this year, but probably a right tackle in the pros. He has most of his experience at right tackle, though, so the switch back should be easy. I’ve seen several Temple games this year and believe me, this guy can play.
5th round: Terrence Toliver, WR, LSU – Reminds me a lot of that Schilens guy we’re rumored to have on the roster except, you know…healthy.
6th round: Anthony Gray, NT, Southern Mississippi – Haven’t seen this guy play, but dig this: 6′1″, 315 pounds. Prototypical size for a nose tackle…short, squat, can get leverage on the offensive guard or center and damn near impossible to move. From what I’ve read of his play, I’m encouraged. and hey, it’s a 6th round pick.
7th round: John Bender, G, Nevada: 6′8″, 325 lbs., an absolute beast in run blocking and plays with a nasty streak
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Solid…Not sure gray will last to that rd however still solid…
November 29th, 2010 at 7:57 am
Jimbo … and you just cut to the heart of the problem … maybe there’s no cure in the current Al atmosphere … no good coaches going to play puppet for Al … And the Raiders come full circle once again
November 29th, 2010 at 7:57 am
Bruce sucks, I don’t remember him ever being as bad as yesterday since he’s been with us, I was definitely wrong on that one. We suck again
November 29th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Cable will be back folks. He’s not going anywhere. He’s done exactly as boss has asked. Plus I think Cable knows how to talk to Al.
He’s not going anywhere. The issue remains getting NFL caliber talent at QB, C, RG, RT and 1 more NFL caliber starting receiver to pair with Jacoby Ford.
Louis Murphy is fading away…..your best receivers:
1. Ford
2. Higgins
3. All others tied for LAST
November 29th, 2010 at 7:58 am
oh and why didn’t we run the ball when that’s our strenth? You keep running it even if it doesn’t work at first…. Seasons over
November 29th, 2010 at 7:59 am
229.mistic1 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:54 am
Gradkowski apologist are predictably silent this after that pathetic display. Now that the cat is out of the bag how does cable expect to garner thre respect of the team? Teams dont play for wishy washy coaches. Not only does cable look like barney rubble, he coaches like him too.
Benching campbell in the st. Louis game risky, but merrit was debatable. Benching campbell in pitt was merciful but not without the stench of desperation. Benchig campbell for this game after a the best and most meaningful football we have seen in years wad inexplicable. Cable just flip flopped right out of a job.
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Lol…put Campbell in yesterday’s game and the results would be the same. THEY BOTH SUCK! How difficult is that for some of you to understand? I’ve been saying it since the preseason!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:59 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:45 am
DHB should carry Ford’s shoulder pads on the practice field.
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Naw FORD is not that good…DHB is way better…lol
November 29th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Gradkowski apologist are predictably silent this after that pathetic display
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No Mistic. You just dont get it. The Gradkowski versus Campbell debate ONLY rages on in your head. Everyone else here just wants the Raiders to win. You HAVE to keep saying ‘I told ya so’. Get over it dude. BOTH qbs SUCK!
BOTH.QBS.SUCK.
Get over it.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:00 am
mistic1 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:54 am
Gradkowski apologist are predictably silent this after that pathetic display. Now that the cat is out of the bag how does cable expect to garner thre respect of the team? Teams dont play for wishy washy coaches. Not only does cable look like barney rubble, he coaches like him too.
Benching campbell in the st. Louis game risky, but merrit was debatable. Benching campbell in pitt was merciful but not without the stench of desperation. Benchig campbell for this game after a the best and most meaningful football we have seen in years wad inexplicable. Cable just flip flopped right out of a job.
Your basking in it! I sure as hell aint apologizing, you were right that Campbell is better but Campbell still sucks and therefore we’re done
November 29th, 2010 at 8:01 am
I just hope we can win 2 more games this year and break the 10+ loss streak.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:02 am
To sum up everything Jerry said: The Raiders were a fraud for three weeks, and they suck like it’s 2009.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:02 am
I’m curious to see who Rob Ryan will bring in as his OC “play caller” – Let’s hope it isn’t Hue Jackson!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:03 am
SnB Production Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Cable will be back folks. He’s not going anywhere. He’s done exactly as boss has asked. Plus I think Cable knows how to talk to Al.
He’s not going anywhere. The issue remains getting NFL caliber talent at QB, C, RG, RT and 1 more NFL caliber starting receiver to pair with Jacoby Ford.
Louis Murphy is fading away…..your best receivers:
1. Ford
2. Higgins
3. All others tied for LAST
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i disagree our wr’s rankings;
1. Louis Murphy
2. Higgins
3. All others tied for LAST
4. Ford
lol
November 29th, 2010 at 8:03 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:46 am
I was hoping we could be relevant until December. It’s Nov 29th. Almost made it.
Haha so true
November 29th, 2010 at 8:03 am
That wasn’t a healthy Grads out there. He’s not right. I think he needs to be shut down and IR’d to completely heal. Maybe he’s back next year, maybe not. But the preseason/early season Grads was a much better QB than JaJason ever was.
Now that he’s hurt, and you want to kick Grads when he’s down, does that elevate JaJason any? The answer is no! Pathetic to attack Grads supporters.
Campbell is the suck
November 29th, 2010 at 8:04 am
Mornin NATION!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Raiders are not a fraud. The issue is that the raiders don’t have the QBs and wide receivers to execute a consistent passing game.
The defense is good when healthy…the running game is good when not facing 10 man fronts…..its the passing game that is lousy…that and playcalling.
Too many drops, too many underthrown balls, too many sakcs….garbage o-line (Cable) and bad receivers (draft).
The team does not need to be blown up…just get some players
November 29th, 2010 at 8:05 am
BOTH.QBS.SUCK.
Get over it.
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yep…
November 29th, 2010 at 8:06 am
SnB Production Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:05 am
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Solid posts 2 in a row, and hard to disagree with…
Lousy drafts have hurt big…Taking a DHB project was just plain dumb…
November 29th, 2010 at 8:07 am
We’re all in agreement we desperately need a WR.
A.J. Green is easily the best prospect in the draft, but he’s a lock for a Top 5 pick and no way the Raiders can move up to there.
But, what do y’all think about packaging some picks and players and moving up to the mid-first round and drafting Jonathan Baldwin or Michael Floyd? Both those are tall, tough receivers who will fight for the ball. Baldwin in particular has ridiculously good hands.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:07 am
The team does not need to be blown up…just get some players
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Lets see…
Bad O-line (meaning a number of players) check
Bad QB’s (meaning 3) check
Bad WR’s (again a number of players) check
That is addressing about a dozen plus players. How is that not blowing the roster up?
November 29th, 2010 at 8:07 am
Jimbo,
Gradkowski has performed like this more than not. He’s a bad QB and would not even sniff a starting job anywhere else.
JaJason and JaBruce are both equally ineffective. The tv announcer said as much and everyone knows it.
Except those wishing upon a star
November 29th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Ford as deep threat, Baldwin as possession receiver, Murphy as 3rd WR and DHB grillin’ up some hot dogs on the sideline for a postgame meal sounds like a pretty sweet arrangement to me.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Anybody who says “Cam newton” …. while I like him a ton, remember, he is a one year starter… And what have we learned about one year college starters and their transitions to the NFL??
The track record is very alarming….
Might be better to stay away.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Taking a DHB project was just plain dumb
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Agreed
you take projects in the later rounds, not Top 10!
Heyward-Bey = Bruce Campbell, only difference is one was drafted where they should have been (RD4)
November 29th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Al Davis doesn’t like ridiculously good hands. Could have had 4XL hands in Hakeem Nicks who is a stud, but chose Manos di piedra DHBust.
Size/Speed rules over talent in Al’s crazy world.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Jimbo,
The O-line needs to get a good RG that can create holes in the run game….a new RT would be nice too but not a necessity
As for WR…the Raiders just need 1 more guy. A 6′4 receiver with some speed and good hands who can be physical…sort of like the guy that spends his weeks in the doggone tub.
QB? Don’t need 3…we’ve already got 3 backups…need a competent starter….
That’s hardly blowing up the roster
November 29th, 2010 at 8:11 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Ford as deep threat, Baldwin as possession receiver, Murphy as 3rd WR and DHB grillin’ up some hot dogs on the sideline for a postgame meal sounds like a pretty sweet arrangement to me.
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FORD <—— Overated…Is a 5th stringer on most teams…. we need to trade him…lol
November 29th, 2010 at 8:11 am
What it’s starting to look like is the coaching staff rushed three players back from injury and they ended up being liabilities. For that alone, Cable should be fired.
I’m not one to call for the head of the coach after an ugly loss, but if Miller, Asomugha, and Gradkowski were playing hurt, their presence clearly didn’t help this team. Myers, Ware, and Campbell should have been in if Miller and Aso couldn’t plant and cut (something you kind of have to do as a receiver and CB…) and Gradkowski couldn’t throw.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Al Davis doesn’t like ridiculously good hands. Could have had 4XL hands in Hakeem Nicks who is a stud, but chose Manos di piedra DHBust.
Size/Speed rules over talent in Al’s crazy world.
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I know it, but I’m dreaming, dammit! Work with me
November 29th, 2010 at 8:11 am
We’re all in agreement we desperately need a WR.
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False, no more WR bids from me!
Schilens, Heyward-Bey, Murphy, Higgins, Ford & Nmiller = good enough with a competent play caller, QB & OL
WR’s usually don’t fully develop until Year #3 anyways
November 29th, 2010 at 8:12 am
Trade 2012 1st rounder for 2011 1st rounder
1st round – C Stephen Wisniewski (Penn State)
2nd round – WR Michael Floyd (Notre Dame)
3rd round – QB Nathan Enderle (Idaho)
5th round – CB Davon House (New Mexico State)
6th round – NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame)
Sign FA CB Jonathan Joseph, G Harvey Dahl, RT Jared Gaither
Re-sign Seymour, Gallery, Huff, Bush.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:13 am
I dont think we should draft a receiver at all. Vincent Jackson and Plaxico Burress will both be unrestricted free agents next season. VJax might LOVE getting after the Chargers twice a year.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:14 am
RRS,
Schilens = eternal injury
Heyward-Bey = totally worthless bust
Murphy = 3rd WR at best
Higgins = 4th WR at best
Ford = awesome, but only one guy
Nmiller = won’t ever see the field.
Believe me, we need a receiver. Baldwin or Floyd would be awesome.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:14 am
SnB Production Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Jimbo,
The O-line needs to get a good RG that can create holes in the run game….a new RT would be nice too but not a necessity
As for WR…the Raiders just need 1 more guy. A 6′4 receiver with some speed and good hands who can be physical…sort of like the guy that spends his weeks in the doggone tub.
QB? Don’t need 3…we’ve already got 3 backups…need a competent starter….
That’s hardly blowing up the roster
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Pardon me, but I am much more gloomy than you are.
The WR corp is awful, but I’d keep Ford and let the lot of them try their luck to make NFL practice squads. Shallens, DHB, Murphy, JLH, Nick Miller, you can all go.
All 3 QB’s need to go. Not a competent backup on this roster.
OL: We need replacements at C, RG, RT. And we need also some capable backups.
That’s a lot of spots….
So I am for a roster shakedown/blowup
November 29th, 2010 at 8:14 am
Bcz24 Says:
The Gradkowski versus Campbell debate ONLY rages on in your head.
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Not true at all. Go look back at comments on the previous blog postings. Right after the game it was being blamed on the Al’s “corporate managerial move”, because Al – owner of the team with a lot at financial stake – wanted the Raiders to fail with Grads at QB to prove his point.
Others have since come here blaming it on ineffective rushing, injured arm, bad play calling, blah blah blah. Most of those arguments were the same ones used by those of us who said Campbell should continue to start. But the arguments are only valid when we’re talking about Bruce, right?
Always excuses for Grads. Meanwhile, those of us who said they should go with Campbell have acknowledged all along that we had no good options at that position. Just go with the guy who stays healthy and doesn’t throw flutterballs up for grabs.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:15 am
JaDavis was high on Syrup and had Justin Fargas and a raw DHB (LOL) and a rookie Murphy and he had a better QB rating than JaBruce and JaJason.
Too bad JaDavis didn’t take the pay cut….I wonder how many would be saying give him a 2nd chance right now…..
Man this place is sad
November 29th, 2010 at 8:17 am
Once again, I’m amazed at some of the stupidity on this blog. The only mistake made by the coaching staff was starting Bruce Gradkowski at QB. When you blitz 9 guys and it gets picked up, that IS NOT the coaches’ fault!
Tom Cable was given s#!t and told to make shine-ola, and in three years, he pretty much has. Clearly, Jamarcus not panning out is still hurting us, and yes, Cable’s loyalty to Bruce may cost him his job, but firing him is not the answer.
I’m sure all of you watch the games and are true fans, but it’s painfully obvious a lot of you never played or studied football. Some folks are saying Jason Campbell would have been just as bad. maybe, but both interceptions were due to Bruce’s relatively weaker arm: the first was clearly underthrown, and the second should have come out a full two seconds earlier, but why didn’t it? Bruce had to wind up and put everything he had into it. The safety had time to walk over there and wait for the ball to come down.
I’m not saying Jason connects on these throws, but they at least would have been overthrown. Jason Campbell PLAYS IT SAFE. The Raiders, as constructed, don’t need Brett Favre, they need Trent Dilfer. Someone who isn’t going to lose the game with bad throws.
Al Davis may blow up this team if it ends the season under .500, but no one on this blog should hope that happens. teams without a solid QB don’t get above .500 most of the time. That is not the coaches’ fault, especially when the hands-on GM makes most of the draft decisions.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:17 am
IMHO, Bruce is a better QB than Campbell for this team. What I find disturbing as a team player, he did not inform the trainer of being reinjured during the game. Grads should have taken himself out. The reinjury would explain the wobbly pass picked in the end zone. No excuses though, Bruce did the wrong thing.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:18 am
When does Cable get fired? He really needs to be.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:18 am
If you dont know cam newton get to know him. He beat georgia and the best defense in college football alabama. He came back from 24-0 on the road vs a very sophisticated nick saban defense, and he did it with his arm. It was not his running, it was his passing that beat alabama in tuscaloosa.
Newton is a great player… Get over it.
He may be on the board when we pick, he is too good to pass up, & can be understudy for jc.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Raiders problems is Line play on both sides of the ball. I like the Dline but for a unmobile QB Henne did not get hit hardly enough. Oline play is atrocious. JC would of had a really tough day. Although the way Grads underthrew I thought it was deserving of letting JC get a try since he has been the one removed from games and not the other way around.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Cable only under contract through the end of the season with a team option for 2011? So he technically won’t be “fired.”
/semantics
November 29th, 2010 at 8:19 am
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:17 am
IMHO, Bruce is a better QB than Campbell for this team. What I find disturbing as a team player, he did not inform the trainer of being reinjured during the game. Grads should have taken himself out. The reinjury would explain the wobbly pass picked in the end zone. No excuses though, Bruce did the wrong thing.
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No, the pick in the EZ was because Bruce totally blew the read and threw it too late… No excuses, the dude just doesn’t have the arm. Bruce is simply trying to cover the egg on his face. He didn’t get injured until the last play of the game. Up until that point there was no indication Bruces arm was hurt. No wincing, no grabbing. Nothing..
Stop being delusional.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:19 am
I’m not saying Jason connects on these throws, but they at least would have been overthrown. Jason Campbell PLAYS IT SAFE. The Raiders, as constructed, don’t need Brett Favre, they need Trent Dilfer. Someone who isn’t going to lose the game with bad throws
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exactly! just get a competent QB that won’t lose the game with turnovers
November 29th, 2010 at 8:20 am
Cam Newton is a 1 year starter from a shotgun/option offense that doesn’t require him to read defenses.
No thanks.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:21 am
He may be on the board when we pick, he is too good to pass up, & can be understudy for jc.
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I would want Newton to be nowhere near the soup man.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:21 am
mistic1 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:18 am
If you dont know cam newton get to know him. He beat georgia and the best defense in college football alabama. He came back from 24-0 on the road vs a very sophisticated nick saban defense, and he did it with his arm. It was not his running, it was his passing that beat alabama in tuscaloosa.
Newton is a great player… Get over it.
He may be on the board when we pick, he is too good to pass up, & can be understudy for jc.
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Not so much worried about him running the shotgun.
Can he sit in the pocket and throw ala mike vick???
November 29th, 2010 at 8:22 am
IMHO, Bruce is a better QB than Campbell for this team. What I find disturbing as a team player, he did not inform the trainer of being reinjured during the game. Grads should have taken himself out. The reinjury would explain the wobbly pass picked in the end zone. No excuses though, Bruce did the wrong thing.
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I dont blame Bruce for trying. He’s not a doctor to know how bad he’s hurt. You see other guys play with broken bones and turn in terrific performances. He needed to be upfront and tell the trainers the truth about how he was feeling, and the trainers should have performed some tests to see if there was an issue. If all that failed to keep Grads off the field and he was ineffective because of injury, then I blame the coaching staff for that one. Not Bruce.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:22 am
# mistic1 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:18 am
If you dont know cam newton get to know him. He beat georgia and the best defense in college football alabama. He came back from 24-0 on the road vs a very sophisticated nick saban defense, and he did it with his arm. It was not his running, it was his passing that beat alabama in tuscaloosa.
Newton is a great player… Get over it.
He may be on the board when we pick, he is too good to pass up, & can be understudy for jc.
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#1 – Cam newton still has bad mechanics… He relies on his arm, throws off the back foot (sound familiar?) .. Not to say this cannot be worked out, but this si a huge risk you assume.
#2 – Cam Newton, at this point, is still VERY content with pulling down the ball and using his feet than pass.
#3 – Nick Saban’s defense is slightly overrated.
#4 – Cam Newton is a one year starter…. in a spread offense..
the red flags are there… you can be in denial all you want but he is a classic boom or bust pick.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Newton is Troy Smith with a stronger arm. He’ll be this year’s Tim Tebow: some team falls in love with him and overdrafts him by 2 or 3 rounds.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Believe me, we need a receiver. Baldwin or Floyd would be awesome.
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We don’t have a good QB. We don’t have an OL to protect our garbage QB’s. We don’t have a competent play caller or WR coach
PA: I love ya man, but please tell me what another young WR will do to help our team in this situation …
November 29th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Why did we get so burned on in the defensive backfield all game long. I can see for a play here a play there but they st8 passed down our throats all game long. Why o Why are we leaving Mcfadden on Bess on third and longs in single coverage ONLY after Bess has been torching us all game long. When does the game plan get tweaked to fit the situation. Mcfadden got toasted all game ASO was not ready as he was getting toasted for the first time eva…Routt is a waste of money, Huff is always out of postion and let a FB fly right by him for a TD. Branch is a LB stuck in a CB body but has sub standard coverage skills. Raiders have tons of problems and it really hurts when teams exploit it.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:23 am
# Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:21 am
mistic1 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:18 am
If you dont know cam newton get to know him. He beat georgia and the best defense in college football alabama. He came back from 24-0 on the road vs a very sophisticated nick saban defense, and he did it with his arm. It was not his running, it was his passing that beat alabama in tuscaloosa.
Newton is a great player… Get over it.
He may be on the board when we pick, he is too good to pass up, & can be understudy for jc.
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Not so much worried about him running the shotgun.
Can he sit in the pocket and throw ala mike vick???
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Exactly!! … Mistic is a little biased…
Watch the Alabama game again… then come and tell me how many snaps Newton took directly under C… lol, I will be waiting.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:24 am
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Newton is Troy Smith with a stronger arm. He’ll be this year’s Tim Tebow: some team falls in love with him and overdrafts him by 2 or 3 rounds.
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No, do not confuse Newton with Tim Tebow…. they are nothing alike.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Cam Newton? lol we don’t even have a first round pick…and even if we did do you want to take another QB that plays on a team loaded with talent and only takes snaps out of the shotgun and has off the field issues and is a greedy POS?
Sounds way too familiar for me.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:25 am
Believe me, we need a receiver. Baldwin or Floyd would be awesome.
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We don’t have a good QB. We don’t have an OL to protect our garbage QB’s. We don’t have a competent play caller or WR coach
PA: I love ya man, but please tell me what another young WR will do to help our team in this situation …
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That is why you ALSO find a QB in the second or third round to put behind Campbell, and improve the offensive line. It’s not like anyone is saying we should only get a WR and then we’ll be good.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:26 am
PA: I love ya man, but please tell me what another young WR will do to help our team in this situation …
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Zach Miller and Chaz Schilens made JaDrank look like a real NFL QB sometimes simply because they ran good routes, had consistent hands, and were willing to fight for the ball.
A young WR who does those things (Baldwin/Floyd) paired with a QB even on the level of Jason Campbell could do wonders.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:26 am
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
IMHO, Bruce is a better QB than Campbell for this team. What I find disturbing as a team player, he did not inform the trainer of being reinjured during the game. Grads should have taken himself out.
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He re-injured his shoulder on his final throw of the game. That was not the end zone INT. That happened in the third quarter.
Jesus, you guys just don’t give up excusing Bruce. It’s so bad, you’re just making stuff up now. You’re so desperate for that Rudy hero. Unbelievable.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:26 am
# Dakota Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Cam Newton? lol we don’t even have a first round pick…and even if we did do you want to take another QB that plays on a team loaded with talent and only takes snaps out of the shotgun and has off the field issues and is a greedy POS?
Sounds way too familiar for me.
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all these top national recruits take money….. all of them…
If Luck comes out this year will anybody be calling him a greedy POS???
If they don’t… why?
November 29th, 2010 at 8:26 am
Morning.
Team has fallen on its face. Flat and unprepared. Henne looked like manning or brady against us. FIRE CABLE.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:27 am
Dakota Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Cam Newton? lol we don’t even have a first round pick…and even if we did do you want to take another QB that plays on a team loaded with talent and only takes snaps out of the shotgun and has off the field issues and is a greedy POS?
Sounds way too familiar for me.
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Co-sign
November 29th, 2010 at 8:27 am
I think we should put all of our eggs into 1 basket and go after a QB hard this offseason …
draft, free agency or trade. just offer draft picks and players in the last year of thier deal(s)
I don’t want to wait until RD3 or RD4 to take another project we can’t develop. I’ve washed my hands of Bruce Gradkowski and if JCamp gets to stick around another year & compete thats fine with me but only with better (and healthy) competition & play calling
November 29th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Nnamdi Routt and Mcfadden were getting burned all day, Our oline did not create running lanes, our OC thought he had Tom Brady under center when he should forced the run, and our WR’s don’t get enough seperation. But on the bright side our run D is solid and we have an emerging star in Ford. I also give DMAC benefit of the doubt and say it was playcalling that didn’t allow our run game to get on track yesterday
November 29th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Seymour, ZMiller, Bush and Gallery are all free agents next year. Only one franchise tag. How many of the other 3 are gonna be willing to stick around on a losing team?
This downward spiral will hurt badly the team’s chances to compete in the future.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Ponder will more than likely be there in the second….
great tools, great prospect and Al won’t have to sell the house to get him, just sit tight.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:30 am
Tired of all the physical specimen project QBs. Find a guy from a pro-style offense who is smart enough to not be a one-read quarterback. A guy who is somewhat pocket mobile and can take snaps from under center. Maybe not a cannon arm, but a big enough arm to function in this offense. A guy who is strong mentally who can take some risks, and doesn’t fall to pieces when he throws a pick.
I’ve heard a lot of negative things about Ryan Mallett’s maturity, so that’s the only thing that makes me shy away from him as an option. Nathan Enderle from Idaho is a guy who comes from a pro-style offense, and (allegedly) scored a 40 on the Wonderlic. Good physical tools, although I’ve heard questions about his accuracy.
Either way, he can be snagged in the third round. He would be a good option to learn the game behind Campbell (who will probably still be around because Al doesn’t quickly back off his claims of greatness).
November 29th, 2010 at 8:30 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:27 am
I think we should put all of our eggs into 1 basket and go after a QB hard this offseason …
draft, free agency or trade. just offer draft picks and players in the last year of thier deal(s)
I don’t want to wait until RD3 or RD4 to take another project we can’t develop. I’ve washed my hands of Bruce Gradkowski and if JCamp gets to stick around another year & compete thats fine with me but only with better (and healthy) competition & play calling
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Def of insanity is repeating the same things and expecting change….
8 years and counting, and this thing aint getting fixed in Al’s generation, which I think has a good 20 more years to go.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:31 am
292.Teabag Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:26 am
# Dakota Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Cam Newton? lol we don’t even have a first round pick…and even if we did do you want to take another QB that plays on a team loaded with talent and only takes snaps out of the shotgun and has off the field issues and is a greedy POS?
Sounds way too familiar for me.
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all these top national recruits take money….. all of them…
If Luck comes out this year will anybody be calling him a greedy POS???
If they don’t… why?
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They don’t all take money, that is total BS, but let’s just say they do….then which QB do you take, the guy that has the brains to hide it, or the guy that is so ignorant he has his daddy openly shopping him around?
November 29th, 2010 at 8:31 am
That is why you ALSO find a QB in the second or third round to put behind Campbell, and improve the offensive line.
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YA, sheesh man. if only it were that simple
find a solid QB, fix the O-Line and draft a stud WR sounds like a cakewalk the way you describe it, but all 3 of these areas have been a concern for quite some time
November 29th, 2010 at 8:32 am
I think with the new 18 game season, it’s going to be more important to have backups and especially at the QB position. I hate the move, but it will change the way that QB’s are stockpiled.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:34 am
YA, sheesh man. if only it were that simple
find a solid QB, fix the O-Line and draft a stud WR sounds like a cakewalk the way you describe it, but all 3 of these areas have been a concern for quite some time
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I’d add, it’s not like there aren’t another 31 other teams trying to do the same things.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:34 am
inonewordraider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:29 am
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I agree. Our DB’s were getting buned early and often. Raiders need to get to a zone defense that they can rely on when teams are torching the one on one scheme. Way too many first downs and you just knew it if a 3rd and long came and he got a smidget of time to throw it would be a first down. Dolphins WR enjoyed separation on their route running when the Raiders were hard pressed to get off the line. Our WR suckwell and I dont even care to hear about the Chaz Tease.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:34 am
this thing aint getting fixed in Al’s generation, which I think has a good 20 more years to go
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dont say that man. I want my boy to be a Raiders fan!
If he watches this crap year after year I’m sure he’ll move on to bigger & better things – hope he’s not a glutton for punishment like his daddy. team loyalty is a slap in the face at times, no?
November 29th, 2010 at 8:34 am
we need a real qb, not career losers. and also a quality head coach.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:35 am
That is why you ALSO find a QB in the second or third round to put behind Campbell, and improve the offensive line. It’s not like anyone is saying we should only get a WR and then we’ll be good.
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This is taking away form one of my oline, or dline picks having to draft a QB however, it is needed…
work on the lines get them fixed, when these guys have time they are servicable…
November 29th, 2010 at 8:36 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:34 am
this thing aint getting fixed in Al’s generation, which I think has a good 20 more years to go
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dont say that man. I want my boy to be a Raiders fan!
If he watches this crap year after year I’m sure he’ll move on to bigger & better things – hope he’s not a glutton for punishment like his daddy. team loyalty is a slap in the face at times, no?
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I’m in the same boat, my boy is 4 years old. He’s destined to be a Buc’s fan. I can’t help any of it.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:37 am
We need to deaf CB Brandon Harris from the U, if he is available in the 2nd.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:38 am
we need a real qb, not career losers.
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NMD, former 1st rounders Al hasn’t signed yet
Joey Harrington
Rex Grossman
Patrick Ramsey
Brady Quinn
Matt Leinart
Byron Leftwich
Vince Young
take your pick
November 29th, 2010 at 8:38 am
Teabag Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Ponder will more than likely be there in the second….
great tools, great prospect and Al won’t have to sell the house to get him, just sit tight.
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that 2nd rd pick we have needs to be spent on the oline…sorry…We can get a good QB in the 3rd or 4th…
But please no porjects, or guys that are going to take 3 years to develop…2 yrs max…
November 29th, 2010 at 8:39 am
YA, sheesh man. if only it were that simple
find a solid QB, fix the O-Line and draft a stud WR sounds like a cakewalk the way you describe it, but all 3 of these areas have been a concern for quite some time
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Well when is the last time the Raiders have gone after o-line talent that wasn’t Kwame Harris or a late-round pick?
Harvey Dahl from the Falcons is a free agent. Good run blocker, operates well in space.
Jared Gaither has some experience in Hue’s offense, and when healthy, can be a force. He’s also versatile enough to play both tackle spots. He should be available for a bargain.
Draft a C with the top pick, whichever it might be. I’m of the mind that a couple future picks (the 1st rounder next year, maybe also the third rounder) and maybe one from this year should be moved to get a 1st round pick around #20 or so. That will secure either Stephen Wisniewski or Mike Pouncey.
With that, you’re already looking at a much better offensive line.
Now, Michael Floyd will likely fall to the second round, as he’s far from the highest ranked WR and Notre Dame players usually fall anyway. He has size and speed, and comes from a pro-style system (played three years in Charlie Weis’ offense). Learning curve will not be much of a problem with him.
QB is the most difficult spot. Campbell will most likely stick because he’s Al’s guy, but in the third round Pat Devlin and Nathan Enderle will be around. Third round picks can be pretty good QBs if you give them some time. Colt McCoy is having success with the Browns, for instance. If the Raiders make the right moves, the team can improve and the rookie can sit for at the very least half of the season, if not a full one.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:40 am
# Dakota Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:31 am
292.Teabag Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:26 am
# Dakota Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Cam Newton? lol we don’t even have a first round pick…and even if we did do you want to take another QB that plays on a team loaded with talent and only takes snaps out of the shotgun and has off the field issues and is a greedy POS?
Sounds way too familiar for me.
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all these top national recruits take money….. all of them…
If Luck comes out this year will anybody be calling him a greedy POS???
If they don’t… why?
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They don’t all take money, that is total BS, but let’s just say they do….then which QB do you take, the guy that has the brains to hide it, or the guy that is so ignorant he has his daddy openly shopping him around?
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Does it matter? I’m not morally grounded like most people. Let’s be consistent. College football makes a huge fortune off the backs of these kids anyway. I’m not mad for them getting something back.
Especially when a lot of these kids come from having nothing.
Some of the more “fortunate” prospects don’t have to worry about their “Daddies shopping them around” because their families are already well off to begin with…
Just sayin’
November 29th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Franchise-tagging Michael Bush and trading him for picks might not be a bad move. He’ll be tough to re-sign, especially with Miller and Seymour in need of contract extensions.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Give me a QB with a brain and okay talent over any super-athletic amazing armed QB with a low IQ who slid through school based on his talent alone.
We need a leader that can make things happen on the field. Not some rah rah guy with no talent like Garbagekowski.
The problem is those guys don’t grow on trees, and furthering the problem Al doesn’t draft guys like that, and even if he did the Raiders fall on their face when trying to develop QBs…so our only chance is to find a guy like that as a free agent who has already been trained by a professional NFL staff. I don’t see any guys like that who are going to be FAs next year.
I say focus on the o-line…if we can keep even an average QB (not Garbage or Campbell) upright we can win more than we lose. But we have to fix the o-line first. If we land a decent QB without fixing the o-line we will still lose.
Great QBs can sometimes overcome shortcomings in an o-line, but we simply are not going to get a great QB to come to Oakland. That just is not going to happen.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Draft+
We need:
1- OT
2- C
3- G
4- CB
5- OLB
6- DL
7- Blocking FB
Sign/ trade for a QB in FA. The Raiders can’t develop QBs.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Our secondary played horrible yesterday because of the following:
1. Johnson was out, Ware was deactivated (inexplicably) and Asomugha was still (clearly) hurt.
2. Huff was pulled from Safety to CB far too late
3. Walter McFadden is a rookie with very little experience. He was thrown to the wolves.
Cable assumed that with the Dolphins OL issues, and Hennes bum knee that coverage wouldnt be an issue, and our blitzes and natural pressure would have him running for his life. In reality the Dolphins oline played a magnificent game, and gave Henne all day to pick our weak secondary apart.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:42 am
# Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:38 am
Teabag Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Ponder will more than likely be there in the second….
great tools, great prospect and Al won’t have to sell the house to get him, just sit tight.
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that 2nd rd pick we have needs to be spent on the oline…sorry…We can get a good QB in the 3rd or 4th…
But please no porjects, or guys that are going to take 3 years to develop…2 yrs max…
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We need both… it doesn’t matter which comes first…
BUT I will say this, Ponder will need very little developing… (Of course, Luck being the most pro ready… he is not coming here)..
The Raiders have NEVER developed a QB in their history of existence.. That alone really doesn’t lend well to you argument of getting a developmental QB deeper in the draft.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:43 am
the O-Line will be decided based upon Tom Cable’s employment.
Robert Gallery was trash in anything other than Cable’s zbs as a LG. Satele was traded for because of his speed & technique rather than power. Carlisle is a career zbs guy. Walker was allowed to test the waters in FA and re-signed after nobody else wanted him. Mario Henderson isn’t known for anything except getting beat by speed rushers
Veldheer & BCamp might be the only OL guys retained if Cable is out!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:43 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Franchise-tagging Michael Bush and trading him for picks might not be a bad move. He’ll be tough to re-sign..
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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
November 29th, 2010 at 8:44 am
What, Teabag, you don’t agree? Impart your wisdom on us, please.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:44 am
We need this…
We need that…
Well so do the other 31 teams. It’s a roullette spin of a chance we get our franchise QB in the next draft.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:44 am
(Rough) Morning Nation…
November 29th, 2010 at 8:45 am
what to say?…
run on first down
run on second down
run on third down
punt
still better than QB uselessness
and it would burn 2:30 off the clock before each Lechler punt, accruing by the end of the game more than Sunday’s 18 minutes of possession time
and who knows?…perhaps MBush could actually run for a first down and keep the drive alive for 4:30 minutes of game time giving the D a small moment to rest.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:46 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:44 am
What, Teabag, you don’t agree? Impart your wisdom on us, please.
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You want to waste a franchise tag on a guy who will probably get us a 5th round pick, at best, in return? LOLLLLLLLLLL..
With BOTH Seymour and Miller ready to hit the market….
I have seen it all…..
November 29th, 2010 at 8:46 am
BCamp is another project that we should let go too. Whatever he can’t get done in practice, he’s hurting the team not competing on Sundays. Throw him out to with the bathwater.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:46 am
We need both… it doesn’t matter which comes first…
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Quality…We need the best Olineman with that pick…
Qunatity…This year draft is full of QB’s that can replace JC, and Grads…
November 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am
okokok maybe Bush will get us a 4th lol
November 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am
With all of the complaints about qb play and wr’s is no one noticing the run game has disappeared? When you run the ball the other things tend to fall into place.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Of course 31 other teams are in the mix. Which is why if you’re a GM/owner/supreme fuhrer of a team (Al), you have many possible targets and go after them all and see what happens. What, because other teams might go after a player you shouldn’t? I don’t understand your point.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:48 am
We should have sold high on Bush, could have gotten a 3rd rounder out of him if had sold him on draft day.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:48 am
Didn’t understand why everybody was overlooking this game. Thought it would be a tough one and certainly not a given, but thought it would be close either way.
Jerry pretty much nailed it.
Bruce v. Grad is over and it’s a tie.
The most disheartening biproduct of all this is Darren McFadden. Sure, he didn’t get a lot of touches last two games, but what’s going on?
Anyway, at 5-6 and a lot of season left, I’m not ready to pack it in but it’s looking bad.
Anyone can talk about we need a QB, we need a RT, we need this, we need that.
What we need is new ownership. Nothing will change until Al steps aside or at least hires quality coaches and lets them coach.
At least we know Ford is a beast.
Now get somebody to throw it to him, somebody to coach them and a scheme that helps their defense out, cause they can’t get off the field the last 2 games.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:48 am
# Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:46 am
We need both… it doesn’t matter which comes first…
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Quality…We need the best Olineman with that pick…
Qunatity…This year draft is full of QB’s that can replace JC, and Grads…
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Again…. Ponder, Mallett, Locker and Luck are the only QB’s I trust to “plug in” .. this team CANNOT develop QB’s… they never have….
November 29th, 2010 at 8:49 am
Bush getting the Raiders a 3rd or 4th rounder is a much better prospect than him walking outright to a team that needs a RB. Especially an RB who, in brief stints as a starter, has shown he has the talent to get it done. I’m not sure there’s any RB in the league who doesn’t want a chance to be “the guy”. Re-signing him to play second fiddle to DMac will be a tough sell unless he REALLY believes in what the Raiders are doing offensively.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:49 am
STILL LMAO @ FRANCHISE TAGGING BUSH… YES, LET’S PAY MICHAEL BUSH IN THE TOP 5 PERCENTILE!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:50 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Of course 31 other teams are in the mix. Which is why if you’re a GM/owner/supreme fuhrer of a team (Al), you have many possible targets and go after them all and see what happens. What, because other teams might go after a player you shouldn’t? I don’t understand your point.
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My point is with all the areas of weakness that need to be fixed, it’s unlikely that we get it all cured in next years draft. We fix one part, and the other is close to failing.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:50 am
JImbo..
Raiders dont draft QB and make them good ones. They take polished QB and make that work within their system. Any credible Raiders QB of history will tell you that we dont draft them we buy them through free agency…Gannon, Collins, Hostetler, to name the few that had moderate to great success. Even with Campbell Grads its the same thing. We just need to do better dillegence of the workings of this team in the offseason. The formula is still the same here and its out of date. Raiders dont draft good QB’s they draft with the dream of having that QB throw long bombs and fit their system rather a QB already being a nice fit. Only Vick could help us against teams that manhandle our line.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Dude, Bush will be gone… and rightfully so.. Why hold guys over that haven’t really been utilized. Al has done it before and where has that gotten this team?
November 29th, 2010 at 8:51 am
BCamp is another project that we should let go too.
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I dont know anything about BCamp, only that he looked good in presea…
That said, too early to tell. Cable may be playing favorites…He cannot be worse than carlisle, and walker…Those too are bums…
November 29th, 2010 at 8:52 am
STABLER…..
November 29th, 2010 at 8:52 am
BCamp is another project that we should let go too. Whatever he can’t get done in practice, he’s hurting the team not competing on Sundays. Throw him out to with the bathwater.
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guys like Veldheer & Campbell are probably being wasted by Cable. Veldheer was a 4 year starter at LT in college and never gave up a sack! Cable promptly drafts the guy and asks him to also learn to play Center … what ???
BCamp was a starter at LT in college (Maryland). excellent combine and potential off the charts. Cable drafts him and asks him to only play RG?
the transition from college to pros is hard enough imo. cant have these guys learning different positions or even multiple positions as rookies and expect them to dominate right away or even seize starting jobs!
BCamp should have been learning LT or RT only from Day 1, if for no other reason than Henderson & Walker suck
November 29th, 2010 at 8:52 am
The Raiders will not get a franchise QB. So you have to spin the wheel and hope you land a guy that sticks.
You are going to get someone elses damaged goods.
That’s why teams like the Rams, Bucs, Lions and Jets went all out to get that young QB to develop.
This is not the 1980s….you get a free agent QB, he’s either old, or has serious flaws.
Brees was available because of injury and he hadn’t matured…..Vick was available because of the dog fighting….Favre was available because of unique circumstances.
You don’t have the guy on the roster…go get another one.
Here’s what I am doing with the QB situation. Bring back Jason Campbell and Bruce Campbell for camp….bring in a young undrafted free agent or late round QB and bring in another free agent (Palmer?) and just have a free for all battle royale for the job.
Keep the young kid no matter what…and pick the winners of the rest.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:53 am
I say focus on the o-line…if we can keep even an average QB (not Garbage or Campbell) upright we can win more than we lose. But we have to fix the o-line first. If we land a decent QB without fixing the o-line we will still lose.
Great QBs can sometimes overcome shortcomings in an o-line, but we simply are not going to get a great QB to come to Oakland. That just is not going to happen.
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And there it is!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:53 am
Again…. Ponder, Mallett, Locker and Luck are the only QB’s I trust to “plug in” .. this team CANNOT develop QB’s… they never have….
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You trust….okay…glad you have that kinda pull at the org….So if the team cannot develop QB’s why bring a youngster in and ruin him, per your logic…
November 29th, 2010 at 8:53 am
IMO: B Campbell needs to play OT, Move Walker to G, and draft a C.
Cable (the OL Guru) should be fired!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:54 am
Seymour and Miller NEED to be locked up long-term. Last thing the Raiders need is Seymour checking out mentally because he doesn’t think the Raiders are ever going to give him the deal he wants. And Miller is the best offensive player on the team by no small margin. Ford might be catching up, but it remains to be seen whether DMac can return to the form he showed at the beginning of the season.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:54 am
Yesterdays ground game sucked well beacause the Dolphins were expecting us to run on certain plays. Meaning we came out too vanilla..We came out in run formations and ran. We dont mix it up we are way too predictable. You know DMC had gotta do something amazing to get 10 yards cuz the defense is filling all the lanes. Never kept them honest until too late with the HB screens…How bout a WR screen to DHB since he is getting one on ones…game plan wasnt exciting enough they used the wrong game to just go str8 forward. I wanna see a game plan that says were trying to win this game early and often.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:51 am
BCamp is another project that we should let go too.
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I dont know anything about BCamp, only that he looked good in presea…
That said, too early to tell. Cable may be playing favorites…He cannot be worse than carlisle, and walker…Those too are bums…
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How do you know he can’t be worse? What have you seen of him in real play?
Call a spade a spade and cut him. He’s not worth the roster spot. You don’t strike gold with every pick. a failed 4th rounder isn’t headline news. It happens, time to move on. He’s another project that we should avoid. We need to draft based more on College production and not 40 times.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:55 am
SnB Production Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:15 am
JaDavis was high on Syrup and had Justin Fargas and a raw DHB (LOL) and a rookie Murphy and he had a better QB rating than JaBruce and JaJason.
Too bad JaDavis didn’t take the pay cut….I wonder how many would be saying give him a 2nd chance right now…..
Man this place is sad
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Post of the Year!!!!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:55 am
The Raiders can’t develop QBs!!!
Stabler is the exception and not the norm.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:57 am
We need to draft based more on College production and not 40 times
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Agreed with Jimbo!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Bruce Campbell might be cut if Cable isn’t around next year. It’s worrying that he can’t get on the field, especially because the guy he’s backing up has been horrendous.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:51 am
BCamp is another project that we should let go too.
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I dont know anything about BCamp, only that he looked good in presea…
That said, too early to tell. Cable may be playing favorites…He cannot be worse than carlisle, and walker…Those too are bums…
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How do you know he can’t be worse? What have you seen of him in real play?
Call a spade a spade and cut him. He’s not worth the roster spot. You don’t strike gold with every pick. a failed 4th rounder isn’t headline news. It happens, time to move on. He’s another project that we should avoid. We need to draft based more on College production and not 40 times.
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I guess you didnt read the part where i said I dont know anything about Bruce Campbell. How is he a failed 4th ronder when neither of us have seen him???
ridiculous…
November 29th, 2010 at 8:58 am
# Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:53 am
Again…. Ponder, Mallett, Locker and Luck are the only QB’s I trust to “plug in” .. this team CANNOT develop QB’s… they never have….
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You trust….okay…glad you have that kinda pull at the org….So if the team cannot develop QB’s why bring a youngster in and ruin him, per your logic…
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Who is to say he would be “ruined”??
You say “draft the best O Lineman available” … I say draft the best PLAYER available..
Ponder in the middle of the second would be great value.
and if a Locker or Newton drop to that spot… I don’t care what lineman is available, you take them.
You don’t draft for need, you draft the BPA. And QB or OL… are both need positions..
November 29th, 2010 at 8:59 am
SnB Production Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:52 am
The Raiders will not get a franchise QB. So you have to spin the wheel and hope you land a guy that sticks.
You are going to get someone elses damaged goods.
That’s why teams like the Rams, Bucs, Lions and Jets went all out to get that young QB to develop.
This is not the 1980s….you get a free agent QB, he’s either old, or has serious flaws.
Brees was available because of injury and he hadn’t matured…..Vick was available because of the dog fighting….Favre was available because of unique circumstances.
You don’t have the guy on the roster…go get another one.
Here’s what I am doing with the QB situation. Bring back Jason Campbell and Bruce Campbell for camp….bring in a young undrafted free agent or late round QB and bring in another free agent (Palmer?) and just have a free for all battle royale for the job.
Keep the young kid no matter what…and pick the winners of the rest.
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SNB Production you will not get any PRODUCTION from the QB spot unless we fix the O-line. When the Raiders are good the oline is good. Check the History.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:59 am
WTF?!?! Cut B Campbell?!?!
Why not cut S Williams, N Miller, lopez, Bennett, Rock, or Eugene? Why cut our rookie, and the most athletic OL we have?! Makes no sense!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Rockstar:
I think that these moves are crazy Al’s meddling of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. This idea that linemen can be “versatile” just puts them out of their comfort zone. In the old days, linemen could switch around, but in the new era line packages, it’s more important than ever to maintain continuity. I don’t think that Cable ever fully signed on to the school of linemen versatility. I think it was forced down his puppet throat.
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guys like Veldheer & Campbell are probably being wasted by Cable. Veldheer was a 4 year starter at LT in college and never gave up a sack! Cable promptly drafts the guy and asks him to also learn to play Center … what ???
BCamp was a starter at LT in college (Maryland). excellent combine and potential off the charts. Cable drafts him and asks him to only play RG?
the transition from college to pros is hard enough imo. cant have these guys learning different positions or even multiple positions as rookies and expect them to dominate right away or even seize starting jobs!
BCamp should have been learning LT or RT only from Day 1, if for no other reason than Henderson & Walker suck
November 29th, 2010 at 9:00 am
JaDavis was high on Syrup and had Justin Fargas and a raw DHB (LOL) and a rookie Murphy and he had a better QB rating than JaBruce and JaJason.
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That’s just amazing, isn’t it?
November 29th, 2010 at 9:00 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Bruce Campbell might be cut if Cable isn’t around next year. It’s worrying that he can’t get on the field, especially because the guy he’s backing up has been horrendous.
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Those guys are veteran cable guys….Does politics ever play in who gets in and who doesnt…i havent seen enough of him to evaluate him one way or another, nor has anyone on this blog…
You guys trust cable the oline guru, right now cable can be shown the door, wouldnt make a diff to me…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Sorry, you can’t win in this league anymore with a scrap heap QB. It just doesn’t happen, unless the rest of the team is stacked with Pro Bowlers.
A team needs to believe their QB is the guy, not the guy another team didn’t want.
The Raiders can’t develop a QB? Well by that logic, there are lots of positions they’ve failed to develop over the years. Should the Raiders stop drafting those positions, too?
Would any other team have been able to develop Marinovich and Russell?
Does lack of recent draft success mean you just give up on trying to find the right pieces?
November 29th, 2010 at 9:02 am
[...] Gradkowski re-injured his right shoulder in Week 12, and he told Inside Bay Area that it felt similar to the separation that cost him five weeks earlier this season.Our View: [...]
November 29th, 2010 at 9:02 am
314.Teabag Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Does it matter? I’m not morally grounded like most people. Let’s be consistent. College football makes a huge fortune off the backs of these kids anyway. I’m not mad for them getting something back.
Especially when a lot of these kids come from having nothing.
Some of the more “fortunate” prospects don’t have to worry about their “Daddies shopping them around” because their families are already well off to begin with…
Just sayin’
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So a free education means nothing? You are supposed to be broke when in college. That is half the challenge…and these guys walk away with a free education if they choose to take advantage of it afterwards. I don’t fel bad for these poor kids who are pissed because they can’t drive a new car while playing for USC. Poor babies…oh, and you don’t have $300 to blow on booze for the weekend? Oh cry me a river!
You put no value on a $75K-$100K free education and you cry about not having enough spending money for toys. FU. Get student loans to live on and pay them off when you strike it rich.
People are f-ing crazy to think these kids deserve more. Only a handful of universities make a ton of money on college football, and most of them have to use that money to prop up the other sports teams on campus because they lose money. If teams were allowed to play players you might as well simply create a new division with just Texas, Alabama, USC, Notre Dame, Penn State, Neb, LSU, OSU, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma…because most of the rest would never be able to compete.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:03 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Sorry, you can’t win in this league anymore with a scrap heap QB. It just doesn’t happen, unless the rest of the team is stacked with Pro Bowlers.
A team needs to believe their QB is the guy, not the guy another team didn’t want.
The Raiders can’t develop a QB? Well by that logic, there are lots of positions they’ve failed to develop over the years. Should the Raiders stop drafting those positions, too?
Would any other team have been able to develop Marinovich and Russell?
Does lack of recent draft success mean you just give up on trying to find the right pieces?
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QB is the only “developmental” position, dude.
ANY other position is expected to step in right away.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:03 am
JaDavis was high on Syrup and had Justin Fargas and a raw DHB (LOL) and a rookie Murphy and he had a better QB rating than JaBruce and JaJason.
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That’s just amazing, isn’t it?
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Its Amazing but with Ja-Rookie-Pay-Scale-adjustment-needed he could make throws only Campbell and Grads dream of his arm was amazing. However QB position is more than just arm strength, Poise and compusure from Campbell, Brave and Enthusiasm from Grads…So mix all three and thats probably what the Raiders really want and need.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:04 am
I didn’t say he should be cut. I said that a guy who isn’t Cable might not have the same kind of patience with him. Wouldn’t be the first time a new regime comes to a team and gets rid of late-round developmental players who don’t fit in on the field.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:05 am
QB is the only “developmental” position, dude.
ANY other position is expected to step in right away.
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That’s just not accurate at all.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:06 am
# Dakota Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:02 am
314.Teabag Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Does it matter? I’m not morally grounded like most people. Let’s be consistent. College football makes a huge fortune off the backs of these kids anyway. I’m not mad for them getting something back.
Especially when a lot of these kids come from having nothing.
Some of the more “fortunate” prospects don’t have to worry about their “Daddies shopping them around” because their families are already well off to begin with…
Just sayin’
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So a free education means nothing? You are supposed to be broke when in college. That is half the challenge…and these guys walk away with a free education if they choose to take advantage of it afterwards. I don’t fel bad for these poor kids who are pissed because they can’t drive a new car while playing for USC. Poor babies…oh, and you don’t have $300 to blow on booze for the weekend? Oh cry me a river!
You put no value on a $75K-$100K free education and you cry about not having enough spending money for toys. FU. Get student loans to live on and pay them off when you strike it rich.
People are f-ing crazy to think these kids deserve more. Only a handful of universities make a ton of money on college football, and most of them have to use that money to prop up the other sports teams on campus because they lose money. If teams were allowed to play players you might as well simply create a new division with just Texas, Alabama, USC, Notre Dame, Penn State, Neb, LSU, OSU, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma…because most of the rest would never be able to compete.
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Sure, I do… But again, it sounds tome like you have more of an issue with the NCAA D-I football program than the athletes themselves…
Who offers these kids the money?? Why is it only a handful of school that can AFFORD to pay them that money??
Why don’t most of these school stress academics more?? They let these athletes slide… and it’s for a reason!!
The cash cow will tip over if they don’t…
And all the programs you listed “Texas, Alabama, USC, Notre Dame, Penn State, Neb, LSU, OSU, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma”..
you’re crazy to think somebody isn’t backing the Brinks truck up for the ratings they pull in on gameday…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:06 am
330.garcia Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am
With all of the complaints about qb play and wr’s is no one noticing the run game has disappeared? When you run the ball the other things tend to fall into place.
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lol…run to set up the pass? Haven’t heard that since the 1980s! When a D focuses on taking away your run, I don’t care who you are, your run game is going to suffer…and when you have below average o-line and QB play, the run game tends to disappear. Our o-line and QB have to play at least at a respectable level for our run game to have a chance.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:08 am
The Raiders took away the Steelers’ run game, but it didn’t stop the Steelers from carving up the Raider secondary.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:08 am
I think that these moves are crazy Al’s meddling of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
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I don’t know man. I think the “best 5 guys” thing is all Cable!
no doubt Al Davis wants to see more of Mario Henderson & Jason Campbell (ie HIS GUYS) but not at the expense of losing ballgames
I think AD is finally listening to his coaches, because I can’t see yanking JCamp for Gradkowski or drafting McClain, Houston & Veldheer with the first 3 picks as classic AD moves. He pitched Walrus, Fargas, Warren & Walker this past offseason too
If Cable is fired (and he should be!) it’ll be interesting to see if Al Davis will listen to the new staff
November 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Its time to cut the cable!!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Cable gotta go..
November 29th, 2010 at 9:12 am
[...] a right leg ailment in Week 12. Head coach Tom Cable labeled it as a “fibula” injury, Inside Bay Area reports.Our View: The reporter, Jerry McDonald, notes that Miller is “currently a shell of [...]
November 29th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Bush is gone after this year. I dont see us giving him the franchise tag.
Bush is a good back and deserves better. He kinda of reminds me of Turner.
My money is on Bush being a feature back with an other team and making the pro-bowl!
…..just like Turner!
Sad..but true
November 29th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Dakota Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:06 am
330.garcia Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am
With all of the complaints about qb play and wr’s is no one noticing the run game has disappeared? When you run the ball the other things tend to fall into place.
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lol…run to set up the pass? Haven’t heard that since the 1980s! When a D focuses on taking away your run, I don’t care who you are, your run game is going to suffer…and when you have below average o-line and QB play, the run game tends to disappear. Our o-line and QB have to play at least at a respectable level for our run game to have a chance.
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I totally agree. Funny folks say about the run game. Well its only as good as the line play is. If you cannot run thats because they stacking 8 man fronts and daring you to throw and if they do throw sophisticatd blitz D’s like Pitt and Miami will expose our offense. Dont be pissed folks were just getting exposed the same exposure we did to other teams happened to us. Your line play is a must. TEams like Pitt will always challenge in this league because they put a great deal of interst in having good line play on both sides of the ball.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:14 am
RaiderRockstar:
Not debated you, or even arguing.
But why should Cable be fired? Did he not do as the boss instructed? Would you fire the janitor if the CEO bankrupted his company?
November 29th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Oakland’s 33-17 meltdown against Miami on Sunday could prove to be their defining loss of their season.
Coming off an embarrassing performance, the Raiders were embarrassed again. In a battle of two AFC hopefuls on the edge of the playoff race, the Dolphins looked hungrier, tougher, and built with a better running game.
The Raiders hid the identity of their starting quarterback all week, then watched Bruce Gradkowski seriously hurt his shoulder again. Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune says it’s “apparent” Gradkowski is “down for a while” and Jason Campbell will take over. Campbell doesn’t quite understand why he was replaced.
“It’s kind of tough because you’re caught right in between something and you don’t know what’s going on,” Campbell said after the game.
The news only gets worse. Privately, members of the coaching staff tell McDonald that Darren McFadden isn’t running the same way as he did before getting hurt. McFadden has 18 yards on 16 carries over the last two weeks.
Tight end Zach Miller has a torn plantar fascia and couldn’t finish Sunday’s game because of a “fibula” injury. He has 23 yards in the last three games he’s played.
Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha admitted he couldn’t plant and turn Sunday. He gave up four receptions for 65 yards and incurred a holding penalty.
Oh, and the team is traveling to San Diego this week with their season essentially on the line.
Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?
November 29th, 2010 at 9:16 am
And all the programs you listed “Texas, Alabama, USC, Notre Dame, Penn State, Neb, LSU, OSU, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma”..
you’re crazy to think somebody isn’t backing the Brinks truck up for the ratings they pull in on gameday…
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Of course those teams make money, a lot of money. That is the point. How are you going to make things fair? Make Notre Dame share revenue with the University of Iowa so that the entire NCAA football structure doesn’t fold? A hand full of teams make the money, the rest just survive and hope to use some profits to improve their university. So allowing teams to pay those players will make it impossible for most teams to even field a team. Just plain crazy talk.
You get a free education. You can still get student loans to cover your living expenses. I simply don’t see the problem. And even if you are not a great player and don’t get a full ride, you still walk away with credibility in the community and can probably get any normal job you want in that town, if not that State!
The smart players take advantage of all of the benefits provided to them by the opportunity to play collegiate sports…the rest are just too ignorant to recognize their opportunities. Tough schyt…welcome to the real world.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:16 am
You guys trust cable the oline guru, right now cable can be shown the door, wouldnt make a diff to me…
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agreed with Thec!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Advocating We cut Bruce Campbell is rediculous…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:20 am
we go 6-10, cable will get run, and rightfully so…
He is not an NFL head coach, he is a stop gap…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Bruce or Jason?
November 29th, 2010 at 9:20 am
cable should be fired for the o lines wussy play….
November 29th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Bush is gone after this year. I dont see us giving him the franchise tag.
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watch him sign with a team with a real HC, and OC…
he is going to rip….
November 29th, 2010 at 9:22 am
The Real Ray Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Bruce or Jason?
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Flip a coin…
One will underthown, and get himself wacked.
The other will get sacked, and get himself wacked.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Does anybody read? I didn’t say Bruce Campbell should be cut. You lot have the attention spans of goldfish.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Advocating We cut Bruce Campbell is rediculous…
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Not nearly as redonkulous (sp) as proclaiming Jacoby Ford to be behind Nick Miller on the depth chart.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:23 am
At this point, it really doesn’t matter who the coach is going to be next year. That coach is going to need a new C, RG, and RT.
He’s also going to need a new group of WRs. DHB is a #4 WR and Murphy is a #5. Ford should be the slot guy, so we need a #1 and #2.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:23 am
If Cable is fired (and he should be!) it’ll be interesting to see if Al Davis will listen to the new staff
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If cable is fired, he can take Hue with him…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:24 am
why should Cable be fired? Did he not do as the boss instructed? Would you fire the janitor if the CEO bankrupted his company?
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I don’t see Cable as a janitor type or even timout coordinator as Dakota puts it. I have little doubt that Al Davis told Cable to keep the starting QB thing hush hush to the media, but that alone doesn’t make him a puppet. Many HC’s around the league are not play callers or O-Line coaches, so I’m not going to assume Cable has zero responsibility for wins & losses here. He appears to have Al’s ear and thats important. But it also appears that the things he’s lobbied for haven’t worked. He’s a bonehead. Al Davis hired Hue Jackson to run the offense, so that goes on him. Cable has a say in who starts though and some input on draft day imo. When this team comes out unmotivated & unprepared but you know they have the talent to win, it reflects poorly on the Head Coach.
why do you think Phillips & Childress were fired? and why those teams have played better since new guys replaced them?
November 29th, 2010 at 9:25 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Advocating We cut Bruce Campbell is rediculous…
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Not nearly as redonkulous (sp) as proclaiming Jacoby Ford to be behind Nick Miller on the depth chart.
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If you look at the lol’s it was a joke….
November 29th, 2010 at 9:25 am
Ford is like an Eddie Royal/Wes Welker player. Can be a very effective slot guy in three-wide sets, but can also play in a two-wide set. Still, the Raiders need a true #1 guy, and at least one other receiver as reliable as Ford has been lately.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Ford #1 WR, Murphy #2 WR, Miller #3 WR, DHB…???
November 29th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:23 am
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Most of the Pro’s, and Semi Pro’s on this blog know exactly where I stand when it comes to JFORD…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:27 am
DHB is a #4 WR and Murphy is a #5. Ford should be the slot guy, so we need a #1 and #2.
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Jhill, come on brotha man
2011 depth chart
1 – Ford
2 – Higgins
3 – Murphy
4 – Heyward Bey
5 – Nick Miller
6 – Chaz Schilens (3 games)
November 29th, 2010 at 9:29 am
The JaDavis example shows why teams pay those kids all that money. JaDavis didn’t even try…out of shape, ddidn’t study, high on syrup…etc..etc..with a worse coaching staff and supporting cast and does slightly better than these two saavy veterans.
Shows that talent means a hell of a lot in football. Of course, JaDavis’ behavior was deplorable…and in many ways you are better off losing with the Gradkowski/Campbell experiment…but it just goes to show that talent is EVERYTHING!
Even more than heart!
Now if you have talent AND heart…then you have something….of course that’s what the Raiders are trying to look for.
Maybe invite JaDavis back to camp next year????? Probably not
November 29th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Hard to see JLH still being a Raider in 2011.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Morning peoples!
So can we finally end this Bruce/Campbell controversy?
THEY BOTH S_UCK!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Ford is like an Eddie Royal/Wes Welker player. Can be a very effective slot guy in three-wide sets, but can also play in a two-wide set. Still, the Raiders need a true #1 guy
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Jacoby Ford = Steve Smith (Panthers) without the attitude & injuries
Print That!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:31 am
2011 depth chart
1 – Ford
2 – Higgins
3 – Murphy
4 – Heyward Bey
5 – Nick Miller
6 – Chaz Schilens (3 games)
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6-12 record
November 29th, 2010 at 9:31 am
At least this way, Grads is out of the conversation (Al was never going to let him be “the guy” anyway), and Campbell has the rest of the season to show Al how badly this team still needs a QB.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:31 am
Cable may be liked by the players, and work well with Davis, but, he is not a good head coach. It doesn’t matter, though, until Al hands over the keys to a real general manager, who will hire a or be a real coach. If Al were sane, he would give Cower, Gruden, or Parcells anything they wanted.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:32 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:27 am
DHB is a #4 WR and Murphy is a #5. Ford should be the slot guy, so we need a #1 and #2.
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Jhill, come on brotha man
2011 depth chart
6 – Ford
5 – Higgins
4 – Murphy
3 – Heyward Bey
2 – Nick Miller
1 – Chaz Schilens (3 games)
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JFORD is the worst WR we have, too short doubt he will every do anything…He also sucks at KOR….lol
November 29th, 2010 at 9:33 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Hard to see JLH still being a Raider in 2011.
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If he is cut, he will go to another team and shine…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:33 am
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6-12 record
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The silver lining of an 18 game season is reaching 6 wins.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:33 am
W. McFadden= Toast
What happened to Ware?
November 29th, 2010 at 9:34 am
The Raiders have always had the speed WRs, but they have also had a possession WR at the same time. Now, they don’t have that. The Raiders desperately need anyone who can catch the damn ball in traffic, and who is not 5,9.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:34 am
# bcz24 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Gradkowski apologist are predictably silent this after that pathetic display
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No Mistic. You just dont get it. The Gradkowski versus Campbell debate ONLY rages on in your head. Everyone else here just wants the Raiders to win. You HAVE to keep saying ‘I told ya so’. Get over it dude. BOTH qbs SUCK!
BOTH.QBS.SUCK.
Get over it.
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What campbell vs. grdas debate? This has nothing to do with any so called debate. This is not about our qb’s at all. just as I said last week, cable has painted himself into a corner and proven to be a fraud. he fooled you into believing that the problem is qb play. he said it last year, and he said it this year. His pet project has flopped miserably. His offensive line has failed to protect the qb’s and have been average run blockers in some games and terrible in others.
The fact that Campbell is a better qb is a moot point at this juncture.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Jacoby Ford = Steve Smith (Panthers) without the attitude & injuries
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No way…steve smith is a way better teammate…JFORD is overated….. We should cut him, and sign charles schallens….
November 29th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Maybe invite JaDavis back to camp next year?????
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Would send too many fans over the ledge.
Not happening.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:35 am
2011 depth chart
6 – Ford
5 – Higgins
4 – Murphy
3 – Heyward Bey
2 – Nick Miller
1 – Chaz Schilens (3 games)
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Gawd..that sucks….
must be the worst WR corp in the NFL. We need to add a free agent, like the old days.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Ford is our best WR, and I told You People he will be a player. He was a 3rd RD pick on Mock draft.
I was right about Houston and Ford! It feels great to be right. I wish I wasright mort often. Damn you Frantz Joseph!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Not that a coaching chance will make a huge difference in philosophy, but there’s no way Cable should keep the job if the Raiders don’t end the season at .500.
The only reason Hue should be considered for a HC job is to allow for some consistency for the young offensive players.
The guys like Hue, so let him be HC and work with Trestman as the OC.
This team still is in desperate need of a good WR coach, as well as a good DB coach.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:35 am
sign charles schallens
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My bad we allready have charles, maybe we can bring back jivin walker…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:36 am
The silver lining of an 18 game season is reaching 6 wins.
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bwahahahahahahaha!
good one Jimbo, kind of stings a little bit though …
November 29th, 2010 at 9:36 am
# Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:35 am
2011 depth chart
6 – Ford
5 – Higgins
4 – Murphy
3 – Heyward Bey
2 – Nick Miller
1 – Chaz Schilens (3 games)
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Gawd..that sucks….
must be the worst WR corp in the NFL. We need to add a free agent, like the old days.
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Yeah, let’s bring back Andre Rison.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:36 am
I dont see the comparison to Steve Smith. I liken him more to Desean Jackson. Little speedy guy. Smith is a bull even though he is also small.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:37 am
The only problem with bringing in a free agent WR is that he’ll look at the QB and o-line situations and say “no thanks”.
Which is why, no matter what, the o-line needs to be dramatically improved and a new QB needs to come in.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:37 am
We should of kept Yeah’Mon Figurs.
LMAO
November 29th, 2010 at 9:37 am
It feels great to be right. I wish I wasright mort often. Damn you Frantz Joseph!
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Raider O,
McClain is about equal to Joseph imo.
Frantz Joseph = CFL’s finest!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Raider O Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Ford is our best WR, and I told You People he will be a player. He was a 3rd RD pick on Mock draft.
I was right about Houston and Ford! It feels great to be right. I wish I wasright mort often. Damn you Frantz Joseph!
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JFORD is a wasted pick, will never be anything in this league…lol
November 29th, 2010 at 9:39 am
We should of kept Yeah’Mon Figurs
let’s bring back Andre Rison
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Jerry Porter, Ronald Curry & Doug Gabriel would dwarf what we’re currently getting from Schilens, Murphy & DHB!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:42 am
RR,
McClain is a beast, and he will be a PB player. Print that!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Can we finally throw Bruce C. in there for at least 3 running plays. Want to see what he has to offer.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:43 am
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:17 am
IMHO, Bruce is a better QB than Campbell for this team. What I find disturbing as a team player, he did not inform the trainer of being reinjured during the game. Grads should have taken himself out. The reinjury would explain the wobbly pass picked in the end zone. No excuses though, Bruce did the wrong thing.
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Laughable! Bruce’s t rex arm explains that wobbly throw. That is exactly who has been for his entire nfl career.
Cables hand picked players are complete flops across the board. The cable gradkowski connection has been irrevocably and utterly exposed for the circus freak show that it is. You cant flim flam Davis, and heads are gonna roll.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:43 am
# Raider O Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:42 am
RR,
McClain is a beast, and he will be a PB player. Print that!
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I 2nd that O Dog!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Raider O Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:42 am
RR,
McClain is a beast, and he will be a PB player. Print that!
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Quicksain Mcclain…Looks like he is running in quicksand…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Throw all Bruce’s off the roster.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Thec,
Dude, I know. He is 5′9! How is the smurf going to jump up and fight for the ball. We don’t need more smurfs. We have Miller & JLH! Great, another 4.2 guy that can’t catch!
LMAO
Ford = Beast!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:44 am
I 2nd that O Dog!
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you cant teach O Dog new tricks
November 29th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Throw all Campbells off the roster too.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Cables hand picked players are complete flops across the board. The cable gradkowski connection has been irrevocably and utterly exposed for the circus freak show that it is. You cant flim flam Davis, and heads are gonna roll.
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ROFLMAO….Both qb’s suck however, this was funny….
November 29th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Gotta go with Campbell the rest of the year and hope for the best basically.
This 2nd Charger game is a MUST win actually. Hope the coaches and players can get pumped and motivated to try and sweep these clowns this year.
The O-Line and D-Lines need to play better when it comes to staying low and maintaining leverage while playing physical to run block better and penetrate and fill the gaps. They may have to move Huff to corner or something versus Bolts also. Have Mitchell cover Gates.
The coaches need to get their heads out their azzes also and they need to get in players faces and challenge them to step it up this week or the chances of making playoffs will be over just like that!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Grads and Campbell both s_uck, but they’re fairly garbage w/ Jacoby Ford giving them a hand.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:47 am
http://www.firecable.com
November 29th, 2010 at 9:48 am
DMAC Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Grads and Campbell both s_uck, but they’re fairly garbage w/ Jacoby Ford giving them a hand.
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JFORD is too small to be effictive. You guys comparing him to steve smith are crazy,, the kid will never be that good…. He is mostly lucky…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:48 am
RR,
I was watching McClain most of the game yesterday, and he was doing great. He us very smart, huge, and has above avg speed. He is all over the field. He adjusts the players on the field, and he makes plays. He will never be a P Willis, but he can be a great MLB fir the next decade. Much better than Kirk, and has more potential. Great pick,!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Thec, I agree…….Ford was a waste of a draft pick! lol
November 29th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Gradkowski’s performance yesterday was infuriating. I hadn’t been that pissed at a Raiders’ QB since Jay Schroeder.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:48 am
You cant flim flam Davis
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only on a Raider blog can you find gems like “flim flam” or my personal favorite, WALLA WALLA BING BANG
November 29th, 2010 at 9:49 am
People were loving Cable and Hue a few weeks ago, now they want them gone. Damn, its a trip what losing does to a team.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:49 am
JFORD <——- trade him for a 6th rounder…lol
November 29th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Gradkowski doesn’t even belong in the NFL. He should be working in a garage somewhere in Pennsylvania.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:50 am
The Real Ray Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Thec, I agree…….Ford was a waste of a draft pick! lol
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You know what is funny, I took a lot of heat from guys in the blog concerning JFORD…they were right…lol
November 29th, 2010 at 9:50 am
# Raider O Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:48 am
RR,
I was watching McClain most of the game yesterday, and he was doing great. He us very smart, huge, and has above avg speed. He is all over the field. He adjusts the players on the field, and he makes plays. He will never be a P Willis, but he can be a great MLB fir the next decade. Much better than Kirk, and has more potential. Great pick,!
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I 2nd that O Dog!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:50 am
Woof woof!!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:51 am
only on a Raider blog can you find gems like “flim flam” or my personal favorite, WALLA WALLA BING BANG
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lol…right…Only on this blog….
November 29th, 2010 at 9:52 am
Quicksain McClain….Rookie MLB needs to make plays and not be in reaction mode on his heels…However, I did see some moments from yesterdays game….
November 29th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Weezy McFadden= ………………
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3drOLMn0k9A/RvrBLSsLcUI/AAAAAAAAABs/Xn_8mYLpCJw/s400/burnttoast.JPG
November 29th, 2010 at 9:53 am
oh boy, for all the grads supporters, who threw jc under the bus for one reason or another. and we know who you are, you got your reward yesterday!!!!gradkowski is just what every other team who had him on their roster and cut him, thought he is!!! gradkowski stinks…there is no redemption for him, he has zero arm, none.. don’t even try to make excuses (he was rusty, the line didn’t block, they blitzed him etc etc.. the man sucks period. and now that we have thrown jason under the bus to pump grads up we have no quaterback..
November 29th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Grading the 2010 draft, what are the gems and what are the busts?
November 29th, 2010 at 9:54 am
O,
I dont watch college football or even keep up with it
how is “operation neutered wolverine” going ???
November 29th, 2010 at 9:55 am
McClain had a pretty solid game against the run. Looks like he’s learning his role.
The problem is that the front four wasn’t able to overcome their lack of gap discipline, and it hurt. Especially on that Ricky Williams TD run where Kelly and Henderson whiffed and Michael Huff got walled off by the ump.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Andrew Luck = The truth
Print that!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Grading the 2010 draft, what are the gems and what are the busts?
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Walter McFadden
November 29th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Where is Preppie?
Go Bucks!! Operation NW was a success!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:57 am
I just don’t know that rookie 5th and 7th round corners are prepared to play man-to-man all game long. Stanford Routt still can’t do it after six years in the league…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Grading the 2010 draft, what are the gems and what are the busts?
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gems = Houston, Ford, Veldheer, McFadden, Goethel, Brown
busts = McClain, Ware, Campbell
November 29th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Grading the 2010 draft, what are the gems and what are the busts?
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Way too early to tell
November 29th, 2010 at 10:00 am
RR, I dont know how you could consider Campbell a bust…not just yet! And McClain??????!!!!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:00 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Grading the 2010 draft, what are the gems and what are the busts?
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gems = Houston,Campbell,Veldheer, McFadden, Goethel, Brown
busts = McClain, Ware, Ford
ROFLMAO…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Through 11 games:
Rolando McClain – 57 tackles, 1 sack, 0 forced fumbles, 1 INT, 4 passes defensed
Kirk Morrison – 54 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 0 INTs, 0 passes defensed
In other words, McClain, despite some shaky play is already as good as or better in his rookie year as Morrison is now.
McClain = stalwart in the middle for 10 years.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:01 am
busts = McClain
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Should’ve taken Dez Bryant!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:01 am
DMAC Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Andrew Luck = The truth
Print that!
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He is hard however, wil be gone before the 2nd rd…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:01 am
RR,
37-7!!! Bucks won again!!!! Since 2003!!!! I hope we to an entire decade without a Mich win!!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Quicksain McCLain….Rookie slow instincts, will hopefully improve…Fee look to be in quicksand…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:03 am
I want to give a special shout out to Aig:
F*CK YOU DOUCHE BAG
Your boy Gradkowski is a piece of sh*t.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:03 am
With Miller and Seymour being key re-signings, I wonder what the future holds for Gallery and Huff.
With Cable gone, will Gallery be gone too? Al loves Michael Huff, but does he love him enough to extend him?
Who replaces these guys if either of them leave?
Gallery’s injury history concerns me, but the Raiders already have the right side of the offensive line to worry about.
Huff has played reasonably well this year and arguably the hardest position in the NFL. His tackling skills have improved dramatically. But how easy would it be to replace him? There are a few players out there who could be acquired (NE’s Jarrad Page, FS Hines from Ohio State, a 4th round prospect), but could they step in for Huff? Is Stevie Brown ready for Huff’s responsibilities?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:04 am
oh boy, for all the grads supporters, who threw jc under the bus for one reason or another.
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Please don’t move the bus!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:04 am
McClain, despite some shaky play is already as good as or better in his rookie year as Morrison is now.
McClain = stalwart in the middle for 10 years.
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Why the comparison to Kirk?
as long as he matches Kirk’s production he’s a stud?
LOL!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Keep Huff. As YA says, he plays maybe the toughest position on defense in the NFL (single high safety) and does it about as well as anyone possibly can short of a Hall of Famer like Rod Woodson.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Should’ve taken Dez Bryant!
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even McCoy or Tebow look like better options at this point
November 29th, 2010 at 10:06 am
RRS,
I’m saying that even if you count McClain as a disppointment thus far (and I think he has performed below expectations) he’s still an improvement on what we had as a rookie.
Give him another year and he’ll be a beast.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:06 am
MBUSH will be gone also…what a waste…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:06 am
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Why the comparison to Kirk?
as long as he matches Kirk’s production he’s a stud?
LOL!
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Nice twist of words.
I think he means that RoMac’s floor is Kirk’s ceiling.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Give him another year and he’ll be a beast.
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I sure hope so….Sideline to sideline he is in quicksand….
November 29th, 2010 at 10:07 am
You guys are funny, you dont understand my newton theory. Newton may not go high in the draft, the off field question marks, and the fact that there are a few qb’s rated ahead of him in a qb starved draft class. He very well could drop to the middle or late rounds.
The knocks are valid to a degree, about his mechanics, and the fact that he is a two year starter ( he led his junior college to a national championship last year). You may also not like the idea of shot gun spread offense.
The o-line is where we need to draft a guy that can play right away. Drafted as a middle or late round guy, he doesnt need to play right away. We would actually have the luxury of letting a qb develop with coaching and not be thrust into the fire right away. let Jc and man the ship while our o-line continues to improve. At the very least he will have something russell, didnt. he will have solid pro ahead of him teaching him how to be a professional. from the wight room to the meeting room.If a talent like newton falls to us he is too good to pass up.
Please consider that he is a natural passer. His mechanics do get out of whack from time to time, but he still manages to be accurate. Most of the time his mechanics are solid and he makes all of the throws. This is how he beat alabama, his mechanics were off in the first half, he was accurate with his throws. His adjusted his mechanics in the 3rd quarter, and was even more accurate. besides good coaching can and will improve the consistency issue where mechanics are concerned.
The shotgun spread passing attack is common in pro football. Brady , manning brees, phillips, all run it and you love it. It is the wave of the future. Newton will adjust to this style easily. Taking snap from center in time will be learned. Again as guy that doesnt have to play right away he brings a tremendous value in the middle or late rounds.
Please stop the tim tebow, and alex smith comparisons. newton is a passing qb that can run. Tebow, and smith, are terrible passers, that can run a little. Newton would be more accurately compared to mike vick. A raw, mercurial talent, that is an unstoppable force on the field. With the right situation he could be great.
This is risky, but not if he falls to us in the middle or late rounds.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:07 am
McClain is a bust?!
Should have drafted Dez Bryant?!
What’s wrong with you people?
-McClain will be our D leader for a long time, and he is a great player (he is a Rookie starting at MLB for the Raiders).
-Who needs Dez Bryant? We have Ford, and we got him in the 4th. Great pick!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:08 am
LOL!
Heat begging for Riley to save them.
That didn’t take long.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:08 am
I like how folks are hating on the one defensive player who did anything yesterday.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Good thing going for Quicksain is that he is cerebral…Right now he is a rook and thinking…Hopefully he turns into beast mode, and starts attacking…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:09 am
even McCoy or Tebow look like better options at this point
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Who ????
November 29th, 2010 at 10:10 am
I think he means that RoMac’s floor is Kirk’s ceiling.
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Exactly!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:10 am
I saw yesterday that Roddy White has 84 receptions. I doubt all Raider WRs combined have 84 catches.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Newton would be more accurately compared to mike vick. A raw, mercurial talent, that is an unstoppable force on the field. With the right situation he could be great.
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Are you like a sales executive…after that I want Cam Newton….lol
November 29th, 2010 at 10:12 am
I’m going to have to take a pass on Cam Newton. We could get decent Oline, Dline, and STs help in those middle rounds. Newton has a long way to go to become Jason Campbell.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Good morning,
AB or Sammy the Bull (depends on which name you use),
I’m right here you dubm effer. Didnt you write on here on Sat supporting the decision to start Grad before the game? Dont make me go pull it up. Are you backtracking now?
Unlike some of you idiotic JC supporters. I’ll call a spade a spade. Grad sucked yesteday and we needed him to carry the team since DMAC, Runblocking and pass defense were a no show. He sucked yesterday. Plain and simple. I dont think the shoulder is there at all. He should wrap it up and heal for next year.
BTW, yesterday was Grad’s worst game as a Raider and it is still far superior to JC’s 10.7 rating.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:14 am
A.B. Paine III Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:10 am
I saw yesterday that Roddy White has 84 receptions. I doubt all Raider WRs combined have 84 catches.
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Murphy – 28 catches
DHB – 19 catches
Ford – 16 catches
JLH – 10 catches
NMiller – 3 catches
Add ‘em up and you get 76.
So pathetic.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:14 am
Myst,
I asked the Question earlier if Newton can be a pocket passer like MVICK??? Do you honestly beleive he will???
November 29th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Yesterday’s game confirmed what I posted after the Pittsburgh debacle…This team cannot rise to elite level until we find a smart, efficient QB and upgrade the right side of our o-line from center on out. Campbell and Gradkowski are serviceable backups at best and Satele, Carlisle and Walker have to be replaced. Hopefully, Bruce Campbell can develop into a good RG, and C and RT can be addressed through the draft and FA. Finding a good, ready to start QB is another thing altogether.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:15 am
All you have to do is look at how much better Sanchez looks since Santonio Holmes came on board. Not to mention all those #1 picks on the Oline.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Hill Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:12 am
I’m going to have to take a pass on Cam Newton. We could get decent Oline, Dline, and STs help in those middle rounds. Newton has a long way to go to become Jason Campbell.
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ROFLMAO….thats hard Bruh….
November 29th, 2010 at 10:16 am
This Grads/JC debate is insane/inane.
Let’s play the gameshow, “which QB sucks more?”
Alex, I’ll take Gradkowski for $50, double jeapardy! get it right and you go on to the bonus round where we do JaMarcus Russell trivia!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Cam Newton like Mike Vick? Alright, let’s take him, but he has to go to prison first…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Aig, Campbell is far superior to Gradkowski. Aig, after the Steeler game, I supported Campbell’s benching. But, Gradkowski is worse. At least JC resembles an NFL QB. Raiders could have won yesterday if Campbell started.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Someone give me a hand w/out making me look stupid. I thought college players couldn’t enter the draft until they completed there junior year.
????????????
November 29th, 2010 at 10:18 am
I’m saying that even if you count McClain as a disppointment thus far (and I think he has performed below expectations) he’s still an improvement on what we had as a rookie.
Give him another year
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ROMAC was brought in for 1 reason. 1 sole purpose.
stop the run!
Right now we’re 28th in the NFL allowing 134 rushing yards per game (4.4 yards per carry)
If you need a Kirk Morrison comparison to make yourself feel better, go right on ahead … but Kirk never had Seymour at DT or Wimbley & Groves at OLB. or Houston & ShoNasty (full time) at DE
waste of $40 million if you ask me.
should have taken an O-Lineman. Pouncey at C or Iupati at RG wouldn’t make a difference? what about Davis, Bulaga or Saffold at RT? still nothing?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Aig,
I think the QB situation in its entirety is just poor. The TV announcer said it best when he basically said JaJason and JaBruce are the same guy with the same results.
Sure the team is flawed…but the problem is neither of these guys have just come out here and SEIZED the job.
You shouldn’t have to apologize for backing one or the other QB. Nor should anyone apologize for backing JC.
We are where we are
November 29th, 2010 at 10:19 am
new post!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am
DMAC Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Someone give me a hand w/out making me look stupid. I thought college players couldn’t enter the draft until they completed there junior year.
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They have to have completed 3 years of eligibility, so seniors, juniors and redshirt sophomores are eligible.
I think. This is probably wrong and will make me look stupid.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:21 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siq68WMuUV4&feature=related
Cam Newton!!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Campbell has a slow delivery, is slow with his reads and seems to freeze up under pressure. The tough front sevens of Pittsburgh,Tennessee and San Fran exposed him, along with the right side of our o-line.
Gradkowski has a relatively weak arm and throws ill-advised passes. He also threw a few balls late in yesterday’s game. One of these should have been a TD to Ford but instead became a pick by Miami.
There is no QB debate. Neither of these guys are capable of leading a team far into the playoffs.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:29 am
The two week beat down was in full effect.
All the talk about Denver/KC loosing the next game after the Raiders beat them.
It seems the theory is correct.
Pitt beat the crap out of the Raiders last week so thoroughly they were still in siesta mode.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:40 am
[...] “My thing was in the Pittsburgh game, well, he was healthy,” Campbell said regarding Gradkowski, per Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune. [...]
November 29th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
RAY OF LIGHT….
if SOMEHOW…SOMEWAY we win on sunday we are right back in this thing….in a BIG way….6-6with Sd..and 4-0 in div (2-0 vs SD)….
Lots of GLOOM AND DOOM..but u know what we are VERY much alive as far as w-l right now..esp with 3-0…
as a fan I DEMAND 1000% EFFORT ON SUNDAY…u lose? ok but LEAVE IT ON THE FIELD…
in many ways they should play loose as h3ll knowing NO ONE believes they have a chance (incl most of this board)…these guys have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to lose…
if we go out lets go out GUNS A ‘BLAZIN!
I also say confuse the issue..give BOLLER a shot…what do we have to lose? if not a start give SOUP can the -early- hook (again) if he reverts back to his catonic self….
and…since Gradglaski is going IR…sign that kid from Hawaii (brennan)…if for nothing else development for 2011…he had a knack for making tight throws and winning games…something we have been sorely lacking since 2002
one more thing…where the h3ll is D mcfadden? god= weeks 1-9..then ZERO…NADA? cant be all OL, sorry!
November 29th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
[...] “My thing was in the Pittsburgh game, well, he was healthy,” Campbell said regarding Gradkowski, per Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune. [...]
November 29th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
[...] (Contra-Costa Times) [...]
November 29th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
I LIKE THIS NEW JERRY!! Tear em a new one Jerry!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
The O-line was getting beat against the run but Grads had time to throw many times he was just off horrifically off target almost all day. The GREAT JACOBY FORD “rescued” Bruce by intercepting another pass that was intended for Jacoby. Just like he rescued Jason, against the K.C. What an amazing young player!
We had the POTENTIAL to win that game. But when you have a vacillating, indecisive, dithering, idiot as a head coach, whose only clear and resolute objective is to remain head coach; coupled with a gutless, vacillating fan base, that fails to show up to support “their” team when that team was on the brink of rising from the ashes then you end up with what a well deserved loss.
What a joke!, The entire visitor side was full of VISITORS, and they were just as loud as us. Since TC couldn’t coach himself out of rice paper bag, YOU FANS HAVE TO CARRY THIS TEAM TO VICTORY. ALL OUR VICTORIES WERE “EMOTIONAL WINS” and we hope to win another home game, it is going to be based on FAN SUPPORT!!….SELL OUTS!!! Coaching is NOT going to get it done.
Since we can ONLY win on EMOTION, TC and the rest of team LITERALLY BEGGED YOU SO CALLED “RAIDER FANS” to show up and SUPPORT THEM. I didn’t see ANY OF YOU’LL THERE. WHERE WERE YOU!!? YOU GUYS DESERVE WHAT YOU GET!! EVERY THING OF VALUE HAS A COST, IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE PRICE OF VICTORY IS APPROXIMATELY 100 (AVE) X 65,000 = $6,500,000 = SURE WIN!! TAKE OUT YOUR WALLETS AND DONATE TO MAKE THE OAKLAND RAIDERS WINNERS AGAIN!!! NOT JUST YOUR MONEY BUT YOUR VOCAL CORDS!
November 29th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Tuck,
The chances of that happening are about 6,500,000:1. Season over, thanks for coming, drive safely. Good night!