Cable Q&A
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, November 29th, 2010 at 3:56 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A transcription of coach Tom Cable’s press briefing with the Bay Area media Monday, a day after a 33-17 loss to the Miami Dolphins:
Cable: OK, some injury updates here. Schilens will go back to work this week on a limited basis. Seems to be making improvement on both the knee and the foot. Zach Miller, the X-rays were negative. Has quite a contusion on his lower leg. Gradkowski, still waiting on an MRI, but it does appear to hve reinjured the right shoulder. Asomugha, waiting on an MRI as well on his ankle. Kind of bit him a few times yesterday. We talked about that yesterday, the reason he was in and out of the game. Branch has got a sore shoulder. Johnson, on the groin, we’ll see where he’s at on Wednesday. And then Kamerion Wimbley took some stitches on the hand yesterday but does not appear to be serious.
After watching the film, it’s just what I said after the game. We got out-played, we got out-coached and it’s two weeks in a row we got a bad taste in our mouth. As we have talked about, we got ourselves into this little mess here for two weeks, we can get ourselves out of it and have no doubt that we will. But we’ve got to get back to, I think, doing the things, the little things that were getting us where we wanted to go.
Q: Having a game like this against the Chargers, who are playing as well as they are . . .
Cable: It’s good for us.
Q: It’s good?
Cable: It’s very good. Now I think to get back in division play, trying to get to 4-0 in division, trying to sweep the Chargers, which, I don’t know when it’s been done here. But more importantly, just getting back on track and p[laying the kind of football we’re capable of playing and the opponent definitely brings it out of us this week.
Q: Why did you get away from doing the little things?
Cable: Well, that’s a great question. You talk about the word ‘accountability’ and I just think that not placing blame or looking to point fingers or anything like that but just staying the course and doing everything that’s within our power to make sure we’re ready to go. And then, as I’ve always said, doing it. The last week was a tremendous week of preparation, as good as maybe we’ve had all year, but it surely didn’t show on Sunday.
Q:Can you put your finger on the problems with the run game? You were so good for so many weeks then struggled the last two weeks . . .
Cable: Some of it is staying with it more. Some of it is being more consistent like we were the early part of the season. You look back, I think the first two runs yesterday were minus-two and minus-three. So, that’s a pretty good indicator we got a helmet in the wrong place or missed a cut or both. Those are the little things I’m talking about.
Q: Do you see any personnel changes or just think the guys you have have to get better?
Cable: I think we’ve just got to go dial it back again to where we were because what we’ve been doing the last two weeks is unacceptable. I don’t see personnel changes, per se, being the answer. I think it’s coaching and playing better.
Q: Are teams loading up more against the run?
Cable: Well, sure they are, but it’s been like that. This isn’t anything new for us. You’re going to see eight- and nine-man boxes. That’s what happens when you’re a good running football team. So you have to be able to handle that. Our system has been built to handle that. That’s part of the deal.
Q: If Bruce has re-injured that shoulder, and he was out five weeks the last time it happened, would you be surprised to see him play before the end of the year?
Cable: I’ll know more as soon as they come back with this MRI, but if that is true, yes, what you’re saying is very true. But we’ll know more as soon as we kind of get this thing evaluated and see how serious it is this time, see if there’s any more damage, anything like that.
Q: Even though Darren didn’t have much running room, you kept him involved with the direct snaps and throwing to him a lot. Do you guys realize how important he is to the offense?
Cable: Definitely. I think that that goes without saying. He still, what did he catch, seven balls I think? He’s back there in some of the Wildcat stuff. He no question is as good a runner as there is in football, and I think he’s proved that. I think we’ve got to get back to reestablishing who he is and what he brings to the table that why. But I do like the fact that we’re keeping him involved in other ways, definitely.
Q: Any of running problems on Darren?
Cable: I don’t see it like that. One thing we’ve started to do – and I have always had a belief that in the first quarter ugly 2’s and 3’s become 4’s and 5’s in the second half, and we’ve gotta get back to those ugly 2’s and 3’s.
Q:What was Michael Bush’s status? No carries …
Cable: I don’t understand what you’re asking.
Q: Why wasn’t he carrying the ball?
Cable: When you’re only handing it off 12 times, there’s not a lot of carries for anybody.
Q: With cornerbacks as nicked up as they are, how big a challenge is that going against San Diego?
Cable: We’re going to have some guys get healthy and step up, that’s the bottom line here. We know what we’re dealing with. You’re playing one of the best quarterbacks in football, if not the best guy right now, with a bunch of weapons to throw it to. There’s a definite challenge for that group and there will have to be some guys come through for us.
Q: Having benched him twice and then a third time to start Bruce against Miami, do you think Jason will have the confidence he needs to lead this team?
Cable: I would put Kyle in there if I didn’t think he could do it …
Q: Is that a possibility? Are those two going to compete?
Cable: No, I don’t think so. Wednesday I will give you a more definitive answer.
Q: There is a perception that Bruce is your guy and Jason is Al Davis’ guy. Could you address that?
Cable: Anyone who would think that would be very foolish. This is about winning football games. Period.
Q: Does changing QBs affect the rhythm of the passing game?
Cable: I don’t really think so. The routes, the depth of them didn’t change, the drop of the quarterback didn’t change. No, I wouldn’t say that’s an issue.
Q: What about personalities, obviously two different guys, you think that affects chemistry at all?
Cable: I think they are different personalities. Jason is a strong, quiet type, Bruce is a little more outgoing, but that’s just who they are. In terms of the systems and what we ask the quarterback to do it’s about execution.
Q: How much does Zach being out hurt you both passing and running and running the ball?
Cable: It think it does hurt. He’s a heck of a player. And not take anything away from Brandon Myers, because he’s gone in both times and played very well and not gotten the opportunities that would go toward Zach in terms of catching the ball. But Brandon’s capable of doing that it would definitely be nice to get Zach healthy, though.
Q: Have to see where Zach is at with his contusion this week?
Cable: It is. It’s pretty severe, but we’ll know more come Wednesday.
Q: He mentioned afterward it was a plantar fascia issue that he’d had before, and usually a long process, he’s back from that or it’s lingering?
Cable: I think it always lingers, when you talk about plantar fasciatis or it’s partially torn, and his is partially torn, so it can linger. You’d rather it tear all the way, then it goes away in about a week. But his hasn’t done that, but we’re pretty much over that. This is a whole new injury.
Q: McClain interception at goal line, how did he play after that?
Cable: I think like everyone in that front seven, very inconsistent. When you go in there and you hang around and hang around, and they’re able to maintain drives, particularly like they are on third down, didn’t get a lot of pressure on the quarterback with a pass rush, you can’t say anybody played very well, and that’s the bottom line.
Q: How did Rock Cartwright not block that punt?
Cable: That’s a good question, when you see it on film, he’s free, the reaction of both the personal protector and the punter, they all thought it was blocked, too. But it just went right by the side of his hand.
Q: Will Walter McFadden be in nickel again this week?
Cable: We’ll see. Those are some questions that can only be answered because of the injury issue, and once we’re through that, we’ll be able to kind of settle on who’s up and who’s not.
Q: What were Walter McFadden’s problems?
Cable: One of them, the one touchdown where he got turned around, was a miscommunication, was a bad check. It didn’t get communicated. He thought he had help over the top, and he didn’t.
Q: What’s it going to take to get Jacoby some help at receiver?
Cable: The opportunities are there for them to make those plays. We threw a ball over the middle to Louis, and he kind of ducked underneath it. There’s a perfect example of, if you run the route at the right depth, you don’t have to worry about the safety coming across. You’ll catch that ball in the hole and take off with it. The last play of the game, the fourth down that we didn’t (convert), Bruce did a nice job of throwing an offset throw away from the safety to Johnnie, a little break to the ball and go get it. So, really, it’s just make the most of your opportunities. That will get you involved pretty quick.
Q: Is this offense equipped to win a game with a pass-heavy attack?
Cable: I think we can. That’s the one thing where if you say to us, where are we different offensively, it’s throwing the football from the last couple of years anyway. That’s really not what we want to do but if we have to, yeah, we’ve shown that we’re capable of throwing the ball.
Cable: Again, when you don’t run it enough, it’s hard to say you took the inside or the outside away if you don’t run it enough.
Q: Why has the punt coverage struggled in recent games?
Cable: The one long return, a couple of guys on the left side lost contain on the play. They crossed it, he started to their right, so they went with it, rather than keeping the ball on their inside shoulder. That’s a fundamental issue.
Q: How do you keep this from spiraling like the past?
Cable: I think we’ve grown so much that we won’t let that happen. As I said to them, we got ourselves into the last two weeks. We’re also the same group of men that were 4-1 the five weeks prior to that. We got ourselves into that and we got ourselves into a little lull here. For us to do it we have to be accountable for each other and get ourselves out of it. We got in it and we have to get out of it. No one’s going to help us. In this league, they love for teams to do what we’re doing right now and that’s kind of cringe a little bit or blink if you will. We can’t do that. We have to look it in the eye and we have to deal with it. We’re a good team that is very capable of playing very, very good football. So it’s up to us to get back right.
Q: Do you just need one spark like what happened in Denver?
Cable: Sometimes. But I think more than that it’s just going out and playing each down like it’s the most important. During the stretch of success we had that’s what you could say about us. We went out there and played every down like it was the absolute most important thing. I don’t feel like we’ve done that. It’s been hit or miss the last two weeks and that’s not good enough.
Q: How is San Diego different than first game?
Cable: They’re healthier. You get the left tackle back, you get a couple of receivers back, your runner is back, the tight end had some issues still. Mathews has been in and out. For the most part they’ve stayed healthy in other areas and they’ve gotten some people back so that always helps you.
Q: Why not disclose the QB change last week?
Cable: It was not about that. I think I told you from the very beginning that when he’s ready to go 100 percent he would be. Had you asked me Wednesday I would have told you. But you didn’t.
Q: But we asked Friday about pulling Jason, questions obviously geared to Jason starting, you said nothing?
A: How does that really affect though what went on in your world?
Q: In my world?
Cable: I think this. If you have a personal issue with it it’s your issue with it, that’s OK. But it’s my job as a coach to do what I think is right. Had you asked me, I’ve always told you guys the bottom line. That’s that.
Q: But it seems to be affecting the locker room, guys not knowing who the QB is?
Cable: I just met with them and I didn’t get that feeling at all.
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November 29th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
You’re gone, Tom.
November 29th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
WE NEED A QUATERBACK!!!!!!!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
# mistic1 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
The Ford catch for a TD was a great throw under pressure.
Call it luck, call it whatever, it was a great read and toss from Bruce, and he got creamed by an unblocked blitzer right after it left his hand. That’s how you slow down a pass-rush and open up the running game, by beating it, not blaming the O-lineman and throwing a bunch of draft picks at the issue.
Should have been more calls for those type of plays.
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there were plenty of passes that could have defeated the pedestrian pass rush from the dolphins, grads missed on them.
He missed even with zero pressure, he flat out sucked. he has the arm of a prepubescent girl.
November 29th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Tom Cable: 5-11 machine!
November 29th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
“Schilens will go back to work this week on a limited basis. Seems to be making improvement on both the knee and the foot”
tha means he’s got a bad shoulder.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Idiot.
Q: Does changing QBs affect the rhythm of the passing game?
Cable: I don’t really think so. The routes, the depth of them didn’t change, the drop of the quarterback didn’t change. No, I wouldn’t say that’s an issue.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
This isn’t anything new for us. You’re going to see eight- and nine-man boxes. That’s what happens when you’re a good running football team.
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Or a crappy passing team.
9 in the box, lol
November 29th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Cable: When you’re only handing it off 12 times, there’s not a lot of carries for anybody.
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Exactly, Al Davis’s priorities are DHB & Jacoby Ford.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Cable admits to consistanly seeing 8 sometimes 9 guys in the box, but yet some people still think DHB is pulling the safety away.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
AIG,
Loved moneyball.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Cable is a stooge.
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Q: But we asked Friday about pulling Jason, questions obviously geared to Jason starting, you said nothing?
A: How does that really affect though what went on in your world?
Q: In my world?
November 29th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Thec,
The winner of the SD game this Sunday will decide the Div winner.
Agreed?
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Agreed, the winner of this game will take a big step to winning the Div. With KC having the track whoever has the momentum could derial them….
November 29th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
But when you left the room…
Cable: I just met with them and I didn’t get that feeling at all.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
This team is still lacking some of the basic pieces that it takes to consistently win in this league. I don’t think there was any questioning that going into this season.
The disappointing thing is that they DO show flashes of dominance occasionally.
But everything has to go right for them. The QB needs to make the right decisions. The offensive line has to stand up to pressure. The offense needs to sustain drives so the defense isn’t on the field for 80% of the game (which is exceptionally difficult when you play mostly man-to-man schemes). The defense needs to play disciplined football. The coaches need to make the right adjustments at the half. When one or more of these parts of the team doesn’t work, the team seems to fall apart. They still can’t seem to compensate for their deficiencies.
They’ve made strides, but some new blood needs to come aboard to consistently play the kind of football they intend on playing. Truthfully, I don’t know if it’s coaches, players or both. But it seems like they’re close, so let’s just hope they can win a few more games this season, and make the right adjustments in the off-season.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Good to know Hue isn’t changing the play-book, even though the two QB’s are miles apart as far as their skill-set.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
If we only had Chaz in the lineup with #21 we would have killed them 35-0
November 29th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
And thus begins the process of Al getting out his film projector…
November 29th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
and the snarkiness is starting to creep in.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
If you loved Moneyball, then you and I will talk stats when I drop by next August for a round of golf on my way back to the West Coast. Oh and hook me up with some chocolate flavor as well. Never tried it and always curious.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Well if our home is any indication, the economy is flourishing.
My wife has been “Cyber Mondaying” going on about 11 hours now.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
we need an oline with huevos…..
November 29th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
It looked to me like Gradkowski was coming up short and/or late on longer throws — at least three that I noticed. Don’t know if it was the lingering effects of the previous shoulder injury or not, but it was evident. Campbell has a stronger arm when both QBs are healthy anyway — then to throw Grads out there with a bum shoulder, you’re asking for it. Fans love Grads because he’s high energy and pretty good at moving away from trouble, but if it’s simply arm vs. arm, there’s no question who the superior QB is.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
The season is on the line for everybody. Just shut up and win Now!!!!!!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
I will be ready, August is the best time to play out here, but you got to go in the morning. Clouds always roll in, in the afternoon.
I’m scared to ask what kind of chocolate you are looking for, lol.
Chicks or reefer? Or something else.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
cable is squirming like a live night crawler on freshly baited hook. He wont be able to worm his way out of this one.
he blamed play calling, receiver play, defensive performance, and kick coverage.
Not a single mention of how terrible grads his annionted starter sucked. Tried to act as if his outrageously bad, and gross mishandling of the qb situation is now destroying the team. we went from hot hand 4-1 to quagmire in just a few days. Players are now forced to openly question his decisions. His waffling and indecision has brought us back to the callahan post super bowl era. We have a mutiny brewing.Then all the while preaching accountability.
Wow some touted cable as coach of the year?!?!? What a joke.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Memphis to Sacramento??
How long does that take
November 29th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Eugene was mostly to blame on that punt return by Bess.
Just sucked right in, and Bess went right around him.
Man I hope he is gone next year. Not sure what he really provides to the team.
We got a million injuries in the secondary, yet was he even on the field defensively?
November 29th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Q: In my world?
Cable: I think this. If you have a personal issue with it I’ll come down there and set you straight.
My pimp hand is hard. Oky dokey?
November 29th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
chicks for sure. Morning golf it is and strip club at nite, lmao. We gonna be heading back to the Bay Area. I’ve made the drive a few times already, one of the best parts of being an American for this immigrant.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
around 4 days JFB with stops in between for golf and strip clubs. Dont tell my wife that. hahahahah
November 29th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
not feeling good about Ware and McFadden facing Rivers. Ughhhhh!!!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
More like morning golf, afternoon strip club, and nighttimes cooking dinner for the wife so everything stays 100, lol
November 29th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
lmao. I’m about to hit the kitchen for wife now. Time to play my biatchcc role. Later boys.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Anybody going to the San Diego game?
November 29th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Sign Vincent Jackson this offseason.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Give that frying pan hell AIG!!!
Ahhhhhh…..man losing games just hurt more when you have the slightest of hope.
At least with Jamarcus Russell, it never really seemed to matter because you could tell within 5 minutes if we were going to compete or not.
We had the lead at halftime, and it just made it hurt even more.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
9.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Cable admits to consistanly seeing 8 sometimes 9 guys in the box, but yet some people still think DHB is pulling the safety away.
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A proven liar as your star witness?
November 29th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
So the rumors have Gruden going to the Niners as HC next year. Does anyone else have a problem with this? I certainly do. Chucky is a Raider at heart and if anyone should be HC here in Oakland, it should be Gruden.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Let’s face the facts regarding the coaching situation:
The directors have changed but the plot hasn’t? What does that tell us? It says either:
A) The script sucks – I don’t buy this – our offense and defensive schemes have been far better this year.
B) The direction sucks – Well the coaches keep changing the but the record doesn’t. Who else is going to coach the team? Remember most coaches don’t work to work for Al – with the exception of the UFL champion coach – Jim Fassel.
C) The Actors suck – I would argue that we have a C to C+ QB situation. If you look at the other starting QBs out there our situation is far from the worst – I would put us in the middle. The WRs need work. But by and large the product has been better this year.
D) The producer sucks – I.e. Al needs to retool some of his philosophies.
I thought that we were going to be an 8-8 team this year given how hard our second half schedule is. However I had chalked the Miami game up to a win. So maybe we are 7-9. Regardless, the product – so far – has been the best in a long time.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Grads has proven to be exactly what he always has been, right along with cable, guys that mean well but dont have the goods to get the job done.
Finally you grads apologist have been put in check. Not by me but by the stench of that god awful performance, and the total body of work that grads has laid on the table.
There are slot machines with stronger arms than grads.
His decision making was atrocious.
He wasnt able to and couldnt/didnt read the defense properly. He was one of the worst players on the field yesterday.This on a day that there was no pass rush.
Gradkowski myth…..exposed.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
A: How does that really affect though what went on in your world?
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hahahahahahaha…that is the best….
November 29th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Somebody explain too me if it is about winning then why start the quarterback with one win instead of four?
November 29th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
42.chuck Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Somebody explain too me if it is about winning then why start the quarterback with one win instead of four?
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So when Ben Raplisburger came back ho should have sat the bench cause the other guy had a few wins?
November 29th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Cable admits to consistanly seeing 8 sometimes 9 guys in the box, but yet some people still think DHB is pulling the safety away.
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simple math….Go spread…4 wides vs 8 or 9 in the box = 1 on 1’s for all WR’s….
WR’s have the duty ready the blitz also…
JFORD now draws the double if we can get another wide to step up cream as you cant double down on both with the box stacked….
I expect LMURPHY to shake off the rust and ball against SD…
November 29th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
43.Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
42.chuck Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Somebody explain too me if it is about winning then why start the quarterback with one win instead of four?
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So when Ben Raplisburger came back ho should have sat the bench cause the other guy had a few wins?
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NOT an analogy at all.
Google analogy.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
HA! Jerry, and Cable with some verbal sparing…
Would have been cool if Jerry said something like this:
“My world?, my world is covering this team, which by the way hasn’t been very much fun the past seven going on eight years. And by the way, I’ll still be stuck here long after your the O-line coach at Southwest Northern Podunk U, you fat ufck.”
Then the fight starts..
November 29th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Why does Gradkowski gets too make mistake after mistake and campbell can’t make thru a game even though grad has not won a start?
November 29th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
So you are comparing a 2 time super bowl winner too a quarterback who is 5-12 lifetime?
November 29th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
The Ford catch for a TD was a great throw under pressure. you are joking right?
the ford catch was a great catch and run by ford..grad threw the ball ten yards at best..grad stunk up the place all day. you can spin it any way you like, it might change your mind. it won’t change the facts.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Because Grads is the teacher’s pet.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
48.chuck Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
So you are comparing a 2 time super bowl winner too a quarterback who is 5-12 lifetime?
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I am saying you reasoning is ignorant.
The better QB should start period!
November 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Look Grads is best when he rolls to his right and throws the ball. In a prototypical pocket situation he doesn’t do that well. Because he really does his best work rolling to one side, it is much easier for a defense to scheme against. Basically make sure that the 1/3rd of the field where he does his best work is over defended on passing downs.
Despite his heart, he can’t see over the line, and his arm strength was a real issue yesterday.
Jason Campbell has issues (doesn’t make fast decisions, needs to throw the ball away rather than run out of bounds, needs to look off receivers), but he puts the entire field in play because he is more of a pocket passer.
I think that’s what Al sees in him.
The fact that our QBs haven’t been able to step into a pass is a by product of having an undersized middle of the line.
I didn’t see Gradkowski under that much pressure yesterday. When he did move it was because he does best on roll-outs because he can see where he’s throwing.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
lets start the newton trestman campaign now.
November 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
49.r8rwill Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
The Ford catch for a TD was a great throw under pressure. you are joking right?
the ford catch was a great catch and run by ford..grad threw the ball ten yards at best..grad stunk up the place all day. you can spin it any way you like, it might change your mind. it won’t change the facts.
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Yeah Grads is not very good, but he could see the defender coming FREE, and made the throw anyway. Like a QB should.
The pass was routine, the fireworks came from Ford.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
There cant be anyone with any football knowledge still arguing for grads.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
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November 29th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
The QB soap opera is over. Grads is out.
I wonder if Boller starts this week?
November 29th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
r8rwill Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
The Ford catch for a TD was a great throw under pressure. you are joking right?
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I am absolutely not joking.
Was our Raider QB a split second from being creamed for the nine millionith time the last 9 years? Check.
Did he locate the single coverage with not enough safety help? Check.
Did he throw the ball where only the WR could make the play? Check.
It was a great throw. Unfortunately he threw one great one and about ten awful ones.
But I’m not going to take maybe his last shining moment from him. Crap, it gave us the lead going into the half, I was stoked.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
The quarterback with the most wins should start.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
55.mistic1 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
There cant be anyone with any football knowledge still arguing for grads.
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True Grads looks done, and never was any good, but what else do we have? A QB that can’r read a D if it was written on a chalk board? Our O-line is giving 3 seconds at best, but is takes Campbell much longer the go through his reads. Nobody ever acused J. Campbell of being very “smart”…
November 29th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
59.chuck Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
The quarterback with the most wins should start.
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So Rapelisburger shoulda sat?
November 29th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
I am wondering why most of the people on here are talking about the quarterback. If we run the football, it will open the passing game for us and provide the quarterback better protections via play action. We have two good running backs with McFadden and Bush. I don’t care who we have at quarterback as long as we pound the rock with McFadden and Bush. Run the football, that’s the way to win games this season.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Plunkett never put up great numbers or looked pretty but he won.We have not won since 2002 so you would think campbell would get a little more credit.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
No Loyalty in todays Game Chuck
November 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Kyle Boller has more career NFL wins than Bruce and Jason combined.
I didn’t realize that until I just looked at look it.
Seriously, if Rick Mirer can get start and we bring in JP Losman off the street and into the bullpen, let’s toss Boller out there at sometime.
End of the year for Raider QB’s in the last few years, are like baseball pitchers going to die with the Pirates or something. They are just in there “chewing up innings”, getting drilled by the opposing defense harder than ever, collecting some career stats and collecting a big league paycheck for maybe the last time.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
no honesty on this board chuck
November 29th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Here’s another way of looking at Gradkowski:
2006 – Tampa Bay – 54% completion rate
2007 – Tampa Bay – 54.2 % completion rate
2008 – Cleveland – 33% Completion rate (very few games so I would blow this completion rate off)
2009 – Oakland – 54.7% completion rate
2010 – Oakland – 52.9% completion rate
I think that we know what we are getting with Gradkowski as far as QB efficiency. If you dive into the numbers, I think you will see that with more starts, the completion percentage actually declines into the 50% range. The reason is that he is a party trick QB – roll to the right and throw. Good for change of pace, not so good for a real QB.
Let’s compare that to JC:
2005 – Washington Redskins – Did not see field
2006 – Washington Redskins – 53.1% completion rate
2007 – Washington Redskins – 60% completion rate
2008 – WAshington Redskins – 62.3% completion rate
2009 – Washington Redskins – 64.5% completion rate
2010 – Oakland Raiders – 54.7% completion rate
Looking a bit deeper at the numbers…
Average yards per throw:
Grads Campbell
2005 Not in league Did not play
2006 5.1 yards 6.3 yards
2007 5.4 yards 6.5 yards
2008 **** 6.4 yards
2009 6.7 yards 7.1 yards
2010 6.7 yards 7.0 yards
The bottom line here is that not only will Jason complete more passes, but he will complete them for more yards.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Kyle Boller has more career NFL wins than Bruce and Jason combined.
I didn’t realize that until I just looked at look it.
Seriously, if Rick Mirer can get start and we bring in JP Losman off the street and into the bullpen, let’s toss Boller out there at sometime.
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You must be joking. more personell basics jfb.
Campbell was brought here to start then signed to an extension, he has out played grads and led a winning streak. he has won in blowouts and come from behind games this year. Boller hasnt even been able to unseat a banged up grads for second string.
At this point stop th revolving qb game, and stick with the man brought in to run the show.
Allow him to possibly get something positive going with our badly under performing receiving core to possibly build for next year.
Further delay would only further hamper an already delayed nearly stunted development phase that a building team must endure.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
bottom line is all our q.bs suc, j.c. bruce and boller all suc. and to draft another dumbasss from the s.e.c. who already is having problems. fuc that schyt.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
I think with Campbell we will compete and maybe win this weekend.
He played well against them last time out, and actually played the very last game of last season against the Chargers (their backups mostly).
So this is his 3rd game against the Chargers, in his last 10 games played. He should be very comfortable.
Time for Campbell to emerge, if he is ever going to. Take us on a winning streak, and his status as an NFL starter will strengthen. Lose 2 out of 3 and get benched again, and he might want to call up Aaron Brooks and check out this real estate gig.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
pep your take on sec qbs’ is weaker than grads arm.
Why would you discount any qb that plays against and routinely owns the best defenses in college football?
next
November 29th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Plunkett was born to Mexican American parents with an Irish-German great-grandfather on his paternal side. Plunkett’s father was a news vendor afflicted with progressive blindness, who had to support his blind wife along with their three children.[1] In an effort to aid the family’s financial situation, Plunkett worked a series of odd jobs while growing up, including serving as a gas station attendant, grocery store clerk and as a laborer on construction sites. In an acknowledgement of his Mexican roots, Plunkett chose the fictional character of Zorro as his hero
One of the reasons Jim was good. He had to work.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
spin it. spin it!! you are possibly right about his last shining moment.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
did anyone watch last nights charger game? seriously we have people here saying that j.c. is gonna get a win againts this chargers D. HE DOESNT STAND A CHANCE PERIOD to slow to get rid of the ball, hell peyton was getting rid of that ball in 1.77 seconds and he still threw 4 pics.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Not very many good SEC QB’s these days, other than someone named Manning.
Who else, Stafford? Jason Campbell? I can’t think of any other SEC starters in the rest of the league.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
With the way the O-line has been playing, Shane better keep his ARM loose….
November 29th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Q: Having benched him twice and then a third time to start Bruce against Miami, do you think Jason will have the confidence he needs to lead this team?
Cable: I would put Kyle in there if I didn’t think he could do it …
Q: Is that a possibility? Are those two going to compete?
Cable: No, I don’t think so. Wednesday I will give you a more definitive answer.
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Wednesday I will give you a more definitive answer…
Cable still isn’t standing behind Campbell 100%.
But again, looking at Jason’s performance overall this season, he hasn’t done much to deserve it…
November 29th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Mysty all giggly this fine Monday.
The only thing that was made undeniable this last Sunday is that BG sux just as much as JC.
I can not wait until they are both off the Raiders and this nightmare can continue with some new project QB.
Get a new QB Al, dooo eeet!
November 29th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Jamarcus Russell and Justin Fargas almost beat them in SD last year.
We play them close, for whatever reason.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
who cares if he flip flopped to the media about qb? If we would have won it would have been great gamesmanship. My guess is Cable and Hue wanted Bruce and hence forced the pass to prove himself right and it was bad playcalling. Cable isn’t happy with the play calling. We’re due for a win Sunday, but we play as good a team as there is in the NFL
November 29th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
im saying ive had enough of these s.e.c. q.bs i dont care what you say mistic, dont want another dumbass who failed pottery class at his jr college.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Q: What were Walter McFadden’s problems?
Cable: One of them, the one touchdown where he got turned around, was a miscommunication, was a bad check. It didn’t get communicated. He thought he had help over the top, and he didn’t.
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The question should have been: Walter McFadden, seriously?
November 29th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
its not gonna matter who starts for us the rest of this season, all our q.bs suc. we need parcells formula for drafting q.backs coming out of college. it has proven to work, and it doesnt matter where they played, even if it was the s.e.c.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Mistic,
I’d have a ton more respect for your ranting and raving if you had been around at all last week after Jason Campbell lead the Radiers to THREE POINTS. Is Gradkowski a worthy starter in this league? I’m now willing to say he isn’t. Big whoop. Because one guys sucks doesn’t mean his backup is better. You want Campbell, you’ll get him this weekend. I would LOVE for Campbell to prove me wrong, but it won’t happen. If it does, I give you my word that I will get on here and admit I was wrong. Will you admit you were wrong about Campbell if he stinks up the joint again? Have you even looked at Campbell’s stats? Look back at his Washington days. He sucked then and he sucks now. He seems like a decent guy and occasionally he makes some good throws, but a top-tier QB he is not. He’s not the second coming of Plunkett. He’s the second coming of Aaron Brooks (except Brooks actually had a few decent years before becoming a Raider).
Look out, NFL. Campbell’s back and he’s going to light it up! Right. Mistic, I now understand your name. It’s mystifying how you can defend a garbage QB. I know I’ll never understand it.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
What Cable is waiting for is Al to tell him what to say on Wed.
Oh wait.
Al was asleep Wed.
and Thurs
And obviously Friday when Cable was asked again.
wing it Tommy.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
How do you just sit there and allow a rookie to get toasted reportedly on 3rd down?
By simply taking him off the field it would have confused Henne. He was just looking for the guy McFadden was covering.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
As if The Raider QB problems over the last 25 years, can be traced to the SEC. Stoopid.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
I think Mysty is JC’s down-low nut sack ornament.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
aig-raiders Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Tony
If you’re smart enough, you’d know that Jamarcus Russell is being sold for $35. You get a tool from walmart for $2 and strip his number. Then you buy a set for #9 and there you go with your new 92 jersey at $75 vs paying $200 with nfl.com. Or you can buy a Lamont Jordan 34 for an extra $20 and take his name off. Consider this a free education but I doubt you’re smart enough to decipher between a Chinese knockoff and a real jersey.
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buy a russell, and strip his number?
THE NUMBERS STILL SHOW, YOU MORON.
strip off russell, and put in seymour? even though it’s obvious you skimped?
and even though the 2 is centered, you add a 9 in front, so it’s lopsided?
and you’re ok with that?
you are embarrassing, Liar.
quick, how many jerseys you have, again? 5, or 6?
which one was the lie?
November 29th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
mistic was know where to be found last week, but hes in here calling people weak cause hes got a bullet in his pea shooter. show up week after week win or lose and state facts.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
2nd Round pick Cam Newton or Jake “the erratic snake” Locker.
Quote me on this bros.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
By the way, who cares about how someone did in college? How did Heisman winner Chris Weinke turn out? How did Ryan Leaf turn out? Brady was a 6th round pick and Cassel never started. TE Antonio Gates: who did he play college FB for? College may be a good indicator, and in general it’s all we can go by before a draft; nevertheless, there are many guys playing who didn’t get noticed in college and many who were sure-things and turned out to suck.
SEC, Big 12, Pac 10, who gives a crap? Good scouting departments (such as the one doing it’s homework in SD) know the deal.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
87.KoolKell Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
As if The Raider QB problems over the last 25 years, can be traced to the SEC. Stoopid.
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No i just simply said to use parcells formula, and ive posted his formula here in the past, i dont give a fuc where they play, but as for now im sic of that conference.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Somewhat surprised Cable placed blame everywhere except the obvious….grad’s horrific performance…kinda reminded me of the jr days. Hopefully they both get the boot this off-season. What’s the point of having fast wrs if the qb can’t throw the ball more than 20 yds.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
I already regret we didnt trade for troy smith…
November 29th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Latest mock off-season:
Trade 2012 1st and 3rd rounders for 2011 1st rounder
1st round – C Stephen Wisniewski (Penn State)
2nd round – WR Michael Floyd (Notre Dame) or OT Darius Morris (Temple)
3rd round – QB Nathan Enderle (Idaho)
5th round – RB Derrick Locke (Kentucky) or WR Chris Owusu (Stanford)
6th round – NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame)
7th round – OLB Jonas Mouton (Michigan) or RB Emmanuel Moody (Florida)
Sign FA CB Jonathan Joseph, G Harvey Dahl, RT Jared Gaither
Re-sign Seymour, Miller, Gallery, Huff.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Couldnt Singletary find a larger cross?
November 29th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
AIG-Raider.
i have a number 2 stitched on jersey, can i really buy the lettering and numbers and get them stitched back on? i had a feeling i could so ive been holding on to it.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Couldnt Singletary find a larger cross?
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Self righteous certitude on display.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Wooow
November 29th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Lets see if ARI, can stay a bit longer on the field, preferable more than half a play =) LOL
November 29th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
You can change the name plates or the numbers, here is a link.
http://www.easternlettering.net/cart/
It is hilarious standing in line for a beer checking out the styling #2 Raider jersey with no name plate in front of me.
November 29th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Hmmm, I forgot that the 4th rounder we gave up was a 2012 pick, not a 2011 pick:
Trade 2012 1st and 3rd rounders for 2011 1st rounder
1st round – C Stephen Wisniewski (Penn State)
2nd round – WR Michael Floyd (Notre Dame) or OT Darius Morris (Temple)
3rd round – QB Nathan Enderle (Idaho)
4th round – RB Derrick Locke (Kentucky)
5th round – WR Chris Owusu (Stanford) or G Clint Boling (Georgia)
6th round – NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame)
7th round – OLB Jonas Mouton (Michigan)
Sign FA CB Jonathan Joseph, G Harvey Dahl, RT Jared Gaither
Re-sign Seymour, Miller, Gallery, Huff.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Cable you need to start placing blame and pointing fingers. It’s pathetic the last two weeks. This team needs to start figuring things out. There suppose to be profesional NFL athletes. Atleast that’s what I thought.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Jmcclain Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Cable you need to start placing blame and pointing fingers.
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And get himself fired?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Tony,
You ever done one before you dubmeffer. I doubt you have so STFU. If you did own a real jersey, you’d know they are all stitched on and not glued. you’re starting to sound like mother hen. Never done schytt but always telling people you know everything. You feel smarter now?
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I KNOW IT’S STITCHED ON, cheapskate.
after you take off anything machine stitched, the outline is always still there.
but you’re right. I never did go though all that to create a spinoff cheap version.
I grew up, got a job, and just bought one.
You know. letters done professionally.
numbers actually centered, instead of being totally off center, just to save a few bucks, skinflint.
I know. you’re used to being laughed at.
and you just reply ‘but I saved money by doing it this way, even if it looks stupid’
way to go.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
I have to agree that Cable has definitely flubbed the QB situation he’s made it more of an issue than need be. Al he had to say was whenever Gradkowski is healthy he will start wether JC was starting with the hot hand or not. Once Gradkowski became healthy vs the Steelers he should’ve started Gradkowski if that is your starting QB.
IMO he succumbs to pressure from the media and fans and that is the worse trait a HC can have. When the crowd was screaming for Gradkowski in the 2nd game of the year if JC was your starter you should’ve allowed him the opportunity to come from behind.
Yesterday when people were asking for JC I was thinking if he does that it’ll show his team he has no Backbone. You have to choose your QB and support him unless you know he’s not what you want. IMO JC is nt the QB Cable wants to coach. He doesn’t have faith in his ability to finish off a game when he struggles because he has never given him the opportunity to finish if Bruce is healthy. IMO that has undermined JC to the point where he and JC cannot co-exist.
One of them has to go if not both, Cable will learn from this mistake if he didn’t think JC should’ve started over Grads in preseason he should’ve made the move then not wait. All he did was mess with JC’s head thinking he was behind him and he never was.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Hmmm, I forgot that the 4th rounder we gave up was a 2012 pick, not a 2011 pick:
Trade 2012 1st and 3rd rounders for 2011 1st rounder
1st round – C Stephen Wisniewski (Penn State)
2nd round – WR Michael Floyd (Notre Dame) or OT Darius Morris (Temple)
3rd round – QB Nathan Enderle (Idaho)
4th round – RB Derrick Locke (Kentucky)
5th round – WR Chris Owusu (Stanford) or G Clint Boling (Georgia)
6th round – NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame)
7th round – OLB Jonas Mouton (Michigan)
Sign FA CB Jonathan Joseph, G Harvey Dahl, RT Jared Gaither
Re-sign Seymour, Miller, Gallery, Huff.
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still, to get my support, we need to sign a FA Veteran WR, even if all we can get is Plaxico, im game.
the 4th rounder should be O-line or NT, whats where we need help… NOT a RB..
if the O-line works we have the best RB-tandem…
November 29th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
I’m all for getting the FAs you mentioned YoungAmerican, but why would their respective teams let any of them go except for Gaither? And doesn’t Gaither have work ethic problems?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
grads being injuried may have saved cables life for now… If Grads does not get injuried, who starts at QB this week????
November 29th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Of course the Davis stooges will blame the guy Davis hired. As they’ve been doing the last 25 years.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Big Pep,
ABSOLUTELY.
If you do own an authentic one, then it is all stitched on. You can even go to the back of the number and pull on the fabric and it will separate from the number twill. The only thing glued on is the name patch on the back but you can buy another name patch or go to hancock fabric for the same material. You can google/ebay for letters/numbers on easternlettering or shaffer sportswear
to go from a single number to two digits, keep the following measurements. 1.5 from top line, 4.5 inches from side and numbers should be 1″ apart from each other.
Hey Tony, take that punk.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
I would love a draft with only O-line and NT picks =) LOL
November 29th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
LMN, we still need a true #1 WR. There are quite a few in this draft like AJ Green, Floyd, and Baldwin. I dont know much about Julio Jones but I heard he has inconsistent hands and Terrance Toliver from LSU looks like a good prospect physically, but I don’t know much about him either.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Hey Tony,
You’ve never done one but you claim to know. Here’s the effin email from my vendor you dubm twat.
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Yes, we use authentic NFL material for the numbers/letters.
Yes, we take numbers/letters off all of the time and can sell you the new numbers/letters or we can put them on for you.
Please let us know, thanks.
Customer Service
Eastern Lettering
http://www.easternlettering.net
919-792-0980
November 29th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
YoungAmerican…
btw… I think we need some CB’s it was pretty evident that when Nnamdi isnt 100% he isnt all that great. and the ones we got surely shouldnt be starters again…
November 29th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
I would love a draft with only O-line and NT picks =) LOL
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Our next 5 years should be excatly that;
2011 – 2015
Oline
Dline or QB
Oline Or QB
Dline
Oline
Dline
November 29th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Not much of a stretch for you.
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# aig-raiders Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
lmao. I’m about to hit the kitchen for wife now. Time to play my biatchcc role. Later boys.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Something is definitely going on behind closed doors. For the first time we’re hearing players not toting “the company line” i.e. Louis Murphy.
I would love to hear the conversation between he and Tom Cable behind closed doors after Cable hears that soundbite…
November 29th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
here’s another one for you dumb Tony,
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Yes, we have picked up numbers and set down other ones The Atlanta Falcons, for example, come right up without even a struggle. We can pull up a single digit and set down a double with no residual marks whatsoever. The Chiefs jerseys (same fabrics, same twill, same process) leaves a serioud red stain where the numbers were. I do beleive, after all these years, that it has a lot to do with how hot they got it when sticking the twill down. As far as the stitches though, that’s no problem at all – we just use a regular Wal-Mart seam ripper and cut EACH stitch. Pain in the ass, but perfectly do-able
The jerseys should have been sewn with a ball-point needle (the American made ones are!). So, the needle moves the fabric aside as is stitches, rather than a sharp point which would tend to leave a needle hole where the stitch was. Even needle holes can be sometimes (rarely) repaired though – just a little steam and some tugging and pushing, good as new 
Well, let me know exact digits and letters for raiders – I’ll check my supplies!
THANKS,
Dan
shaffer.sportswear@gmail.com
November 29th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Indirectly, Murphy called Tom Cable a high school football coach!
November 29th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
There you go big pep. no need to google.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
The CB I mentioned in my last mock was Davon House from New Mexico State. Should be a 5th round prospect. Still, if the Raiders get Jonathan Joseph as a FA from the Bengals, it’ll be less of an issue. CJ can play nickel, and hopefully McFadden and Ware will improve.
I mention RB because I think it’ll be difficult to retain Bush, and McFadden is a little inconsistent. The kid from Kentucky is an explosive player with a lot of speed – something Al Davis loves.
A veteran receiver would be nice, I agree. But there aren’t a lot of quality options unless Al really wants to pay Vincent Jackson. I think more important might be o-line help in free agency, and RG Harvey Dahl is solid run-blocker who plays with a mean streak.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Big Pep,
ABSOLUTELY.
If you do own an authentic one, then it is all stitched on. You can even go to the back of the number and pull on the fabric and it will separate from the number twill. The only thing glued on is the name patch on the back but you can buy another name patch or go to hancock fabric for the same material. You can google/ebay for letters/numbers on easternlettering or shaffer sportswear
to go from a single number to two digits, keep the following measurements. 1.5 from top line, 4.5 inches from side and numbers should be 1″ apart from each other.
Hey Tony, take that punk.
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LMAO. thanks for proving my point. you’re a tightwad. most don’t have the need to be a tightwad.
you posting measurements means you’re not just a tightwad, but that you wear a dress, sew, and are proud of it.
like I said, when you grow up, get a job, make some money, you won’t come across as so pathetic and needy, not to mention feminine
you buy the coupon book, don’t
November 29th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Indirectly, Murphy called Tom Cable a high school football coach!
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No, he called the Raiders a high-school football organization.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Also, check out Ian Williams from Notre Dame. Draft stock slipped a bit because of an injury that kept him out for the last few games of the year. But he’s a high-motor player and a sure tackler who can provide a long-term replacement for John Henderson.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
KKKell, do you have anything else to do with your day or night? Just blog?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
# Guy Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
LMN, we still need a true #1 WR. There are quite a few in this draft like AJ Green, Floyd, and Baldwin. I dont know much about Julio Jones but I heard he has inconsistent hands and Terrance Toliver from LSU looks like a good prospect physically, but I don’t know much about him either.
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Im fine with drafting WR’s, I just want a VET too… and Im not keen on LSU players, I know Bowe is doing great, but since Jammy, I wont touch a LSU player LOL
November 29th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
there is no more quarterback controversy in raiderland. get over it!!
November 29th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
I like Terrence Tolliver, but he doesn’t have “Raider speed” (whatever that means… apparently Davone Bess doesn’t have “Raider speed” either) so I’m just going to assume he has a snowball’s chance in hell of being drafted by Al Davis.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
KKKell, do you have anything else to do with your day or night? Just blog?
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BrownStains worry about your own pathetic life in the Trailer Park, ok?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
LMN, any particular vets you covet?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Back on the trailer park dig eh KKKell? Just repeat the same tired garbage over & over huh?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
BrownStains you worry about the roaches in your trailer, let the fans talk football, ok?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
If Floyd isn’t there and Morris ends up being the pick, he has the versatility to play guard. In which case the Raiders can forget about Dahl and go after a WR in free agency.
I still like Chris Owusu in the 5th round, though. Especially in the event that Harbaugh comes here to coach…
November 29th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
# KoolKell Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Indirectly, Murphy called Tom Cable a high school football coach!
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No, he called the Raiders a high-school football organization.
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Kell-
Cable was very adamant in stating that HE makes the decisions regarding the QB. He said all this talk of Grads being his guy and Campbell being Al Davis’ guy is nonsense.
So Tom Cable must bear responsibility for this QB fiasco. Murphy indirectly called Cable a high school level football coach.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Kell-
Cable was very adamant in stating that HE makes the decisions regarding the QB. He said all this talk of Grads being his guy and Campbell being Al Davis’ guy is nonsense.
So Tom Cable must bear responsibility for this QB fiasco. Murphy indirectly called Cable a high school level football coach.
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“Cable was very adamant in stating that HE makes the decisions regarding the QB.”
-You’re probably the only person who believes that.
Murphy said the going back and forth at QB was high-school. Murphy and everyone else knows who truly runs that franchise.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Guy Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
LMN, we still need a true #1 WR. There are quite a few in this draft like AJ Green, Floyd, and Baldwin. I dont know much about Julio Jones but I heard he has inconsistent hands and Terrance Toliver from LSU looks like a good prospect physically, but I don’t know much about him either
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The way Ford is playing, he might be #1 next year, who knows.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
ArmChair when did Murphy call TC this? was it during the game or after?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
# Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
I would love a draft with only O-line and NT picks =) LOL
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Our next 5 years should be excatly that;
2011 – 2015
Oline
Dline or QB
Oline Or QB
Dline
Oline
Dline
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Yirh! and the Odd CB once in awhile…
November 29th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
If Ford DOES become a #1 WR, then he needs a #2 guy. Either way, the talent at the position right now isn’t getting it done. Phillip Rivers might make them look good, but Phillip Rivers we do not have…
November 29th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
How in hell did we lose to AZ with DA at QB? god he stinks.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
olinsux…olinesux…..olinesux….did i say that already?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
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# YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
LMN, any particular vets you covet?
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Nah, I havent looked into it yet, but we NEEED one, because when the games get tough and we are behind, the young ones cant handle the pressure…
as said, if we cant find any, Im ok with Plaxico,, he is out of Jail next season…
Jail did Vick some good, maybe the same goes for Plaxico…
November 29th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
@ 143
Yeah, I have to agree on that.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
My only concern with Plax is, much like Vick, it might take him a full season to get readjusted to playing pro football.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Trade for QB Cutler!!
November 29th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
“DHB is a superior talent you ding a lings are just too stupid to see it….period”
Sincerely
priesttj
November 29th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
But that is exactly what I was talking about last night, He gets to stay in the NFL making NFL money and he just is NOT and NFL QB.
But for some reason these guy’s hang arouns for years while black QB’s either change positions or get run out of the league. There is no way he belongs in this league and be STARTING????? you can get a trained monkey to do better that is ludicrous!!! 45 completion percentage and a starter.
Bums like David Carr just bounce around the league from team to team and they suck like crazy.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Vick, adjusted pretty quick
November 29th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
BrownStains, this blog is not just about your trolling nonsense.
Don’t you have a personal life?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Can DHB play CB?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Kraft, Bellichick, Brady. Davis, Cable, Campbell-Gradkowski. Get the point?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
The Cardinals have officially checked out for the year with that bum at QB.
Criminal!!
November 29th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
And to think we lost to these 2 sack of shi _ teams at 3-7. Unfreakinbelievable!
November 29th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
I’m sure DHB could be a serviceable player at some point, but he can’t be a #1 or even a #2 guy. If the offense as a whole starts playing better, or at least well enough to open up the playbook, I’m sure there is a role for him as a downfield threat. But right now he doesn’t have the instincts to get it done in traffic or in tight coverage. And even when he’s open, his focus is inconsistent. Can’t be counted on to be a #1 or #2 guy right now.
Fix the rest of the offense, and then put him in situationally and see what he can get done.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Raiders have blown 3 winnable games…
Cards, Niners, and Dolphins.
Even the 2 against the Cards and Niners would have the Raiders at 7-4 and 1st in the West.
oh well…
November 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
BHP..
DA, has been in the Pro Bowl, thats reason why he stays in the league… David Carr is a top 1st round pick, thats why he stays… because he can adjust his ego..
November 29th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
tj, didnt you say Crabtree is garbage and DHB is hands down a better WR ?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
BrownStains
Didn’t you say you wanted to lick TJ up and down?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Its not DA thats bad, its that he only has ONE WR, the rest of them are pretty lousy
November 29th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
KKKell, this blog is not just about your trolling nonsense.
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# KoolKell Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
BrownStains
Didn’t you say you wanted to lick TJ up and down?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Can someone translate this from euro libtard gibberish to English so I can understand it?
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# La Milicia Negra Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Its not DA thats bad, its that he only has ONE WR, the rest of them are pretty lousy
November 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Haha LMN I was thinking the same thing about Tolliver, but I don’t think Russell played with him enough to taint him. And is there any reason the Bengals would let Joseph walk? I don’t really keep up with other teams but I know he is a pretty good corner
November 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
and their ground game is gone.. they pass 66.6% of the snaps, that doesnt make the game easier for the WB… and their Defense has checked out….
November 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
BrownStains
Did you finish high-school?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Cable is Sorry. He blames the WRs, but not the QB. He talks about Murphy & JLH situation as if the ball was perfectly thrown.
Bruce threw it away from JLH, after JLH found a soft spot in the D.
Fire The Fat Monkey!
November 29th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
BrownStains
Did you finish *middle-school?
November 29th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Guy…
LOL, well I’ll have a stern eye on him, if we draft him.. as I said Bowe actually turned out great, though he had a bad start…funny thing is, he actually broke through when Jammy got fired =) LOL
November 29th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Raiders would have to pay Joseph more than stingy Bengals owner Mike Brown would. Outspending Mike Brown is not hard to do. Plus they already have an outstanding young corner in Leon Hall, and they’ll have to pay him too eventually.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
I hate HCs who call out their players in public! Weak!!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Everywhere he’s been he sucked and sucked BAD!! He even sucked in college he threw as many ints as TD’s he is horrible. David Carr is a #1 so what he can’t play do you know how many #1’s have failed in this league and been ran out?
Both DA and DC are garbage always have been always will be.
November 29th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Nice grab by Crabtree… oops!
November 29th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Oh I thought Hall and Joseph were around the same age, makes sense. Is it a similar situation for Dahl?
November 29th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
With Dahl, yes. RT Tyson Clabo is also a free agent, and Clabo has been a big-time run blocker for them.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Can someone translate this from euro libtard gibberish to English so I can understand it?
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# La Milicia Negra Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Its not DA thats bad, its that he only has ONE WR, the rest of them are pretty lousy
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is it that you DONT understand it, WONT understand it…
okay, is it the Have/has fail or what?, if so, im sure you should have understood it…
Give me a break, Its 0400 here and its not my first language..
November 29th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
He still stares down rec’s same as he did in college at Oregon St he was streaky as hell on eminute lk like all pro next minute look all-garbage it’s the story of his entire career.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
J Joseph will not stay in Cinci. The Brown family is too cheap to resign players at huge contracts, and who wants to stay in Cinci (small market/ city), and a bad team)
Can we afford him?
We have to sign Seymour, Z Miller, and Gallery. We also need to add other players: OL, QB, LB, CB, etc… I don’t think we can afford him, but I like how you think.
I hope we can get him.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
My Gawd I hate Singletary, cant stand the look of him… if he ever became a Raider coach I would stop watching the games… of course still root for the team, but I could stand watching the games…
November 29th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Break it down 4 us tj nobody knows talent like you do!
LMFAO
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# priesttj Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
He still stares down rec’s same as he did in college at Oregon St he was streaky as hell on eminute lk like all pro next minute look all-garbage it’s the story of his entire career.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
oh well, im going to enjoy a halftime smoke… its going to be a quick one, its freezing here, some minus 6 Celsius, I guess thats about 20…
see ya!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Racist.
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La Milicia Negra Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
My Gawd I hate Singletary, cant stand the look of him
November 29th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
this teamis so done its the same old chit even with cable- although he puts occasional back to back wins to buy a year. it starts with no GM- do you think lockeroom is cozy with DHB’s salary? Be like Jerry watching some fresh out college guy make 10x him and cant write a article or make a deadline? They are a fairweather team and play when things look ok to them-they like JC . when cable pulled this bruce BS they didnt show except Ford who will get big $$$$$$ here or somewhere else for his efforts. the rest is like cancer, always hated Sapp for saying it but i’m starting to believe him now. even a primadonna like moss will praise patriots after dumping him? bad coaching and management decisions definitely effect play despite Jerry Macs opionions on talent -see cowboys!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
If the Raiders can’t afford to sign Joseph (which hopefully means Seymour, Miller, and Gallery all get signed to nice fat long-term deals), I think Davon House from New Mexico State in the 5th round would be a decent enough option to give the Raiders more depth.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
sorry tom, but u gotta go. you’ve single handedly costs us a shot @ the playoffs with your infatuation with the little guy who doesn’t belong in the nfl. i hope al fires you tomorrow & cuts the little guy who couldn’t…
November 29th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
JFB,
SEC Quarterbacks in the NFL:
Eli Manning, Peyton Maning, Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford, Jason Campbell, Tim Tebow.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Tom Cable is as dumb as he looks. Stevie Wonder could see that Bruce Gradkowski was hurt. This was not the time to make Bruce no freaking hero. He was throwing floaters and should have been pulled at half time. Namdi Asomugha which never complains said after the game that he don’t know what going on with the quarterback situation.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
ArmChair when did Murphy call TC this? was it during the game or after?
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My bad Priest. I just saw this…
After the game Murphy was being interviewed by Kate Longworth(or a similar female reporter) and he said that the constant rotation at QB is frustrating and that basically a QB needs to be selected and stuck with.
And then his exact words were…”This isn’t High School.”
I cringed when I heard that…
He’s the first player I’ve heard all season to publicly criticize decisions made by the team…
November 29th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Wide receiver Louis Murphy has tried to remain as diplomatic as possible, but conceded the Raiders’ quarterback situation with Bruce Gradkowski and Jason Campbell has made things difficult in terms of continuity.
“Going back and forth, this isn’t high school,’’ Murphy said on CSN Bay Area Sunday. “It’s the pros and you gotta have timing with your quarterback and spend time with that quarterback. But whatever coach calls that’s what we gotta go with and make it work.
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That’s the exact quote Priest…
So I wanna be clear…Murphy didn’t come right out and call Tom Cable a high school coach…
But by questioning the coaches’ decisions concerning the QB situation and then saying that “This isn’t high school”, I’m sure that will not sit well with Tom Cable…
Indirectly, that statement implies that Cable and the coaching staff are making decisions that are more suited for a high school football team. Ouch!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Racist.
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La Milicia Negra Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
My Gawd I hate Singletary, cant stand the look of him
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Wow, this coming from a trailer park piece of garbage.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Can someone please explain why Robert Gallery should stay on this team? Maybe it’s just me but every time I watch him he gets beat or hurt. His run blocking is ok but nothing spectacular.
Help me understand.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Fired Tom Cable NOW!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
I’m not a HUGE Gallery fan, specifically for the reasons you mentioned Raiders For Life, but the most glaring holes on the offensive line are on the right side. Best to fix those first, and then worry about Gallery, who is average. Otherwise we’re talking about replacing four out of the five players on the offensive line in a single season.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
As I said to them, we got ourselves into the last two weeks. We’re also the same group of men that were 4-1 the five weeks prior to that.
—Except the Qb, the most important person on the field. Bye bye Tom, great call, not!
November 29th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Armchair GM,
Wha? Well it looks like fumble fingers will join M. Bush in the doghouse. But that is fine with me b/c LM cannot catch in the clutch. I do agree with him, however. I wonder what you all (every single blogger) think about TC as head coach. Does anybody think TC should be coaching this team next year?
November 29th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
#195
Good point, I never thought about it like that.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
you can call a lot of things, but racist isnt one of them…
November 29th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
you can call me a lot of things, but racist isnt one of them…
November 29th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Wow, Doucet, can actually catch a ball…
November 29th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
No other team in the NFL would bench a quarterback that was 4-1. Tom Cable was a sucker to the fans and started Bruce Gradkowski which may get him fired. Professional coaches don’t knuckle under for the fans.
November 29th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Arizona needs to sign Jamarcus tonight!!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
We also got some slow as molasses DB. They can’t play man and they can’t play zone. The Raiders will lose to the S.D., Colts, Jacksonville and K.C. They might beat Denver but there are gonna have to do it on their own b/c the fans will have nothing to cheer for by the time that game comes around.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Gents… and losers..
I think I better go to bed..
enjoy, the rest of the game!
‘night!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Did our run game go south when Loper went to bench when Gallery came back?
November 29th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
It seems to me that Our QB situation is like what has already been documented. Footwork and Arm Strength. Grads had the footwork but no arm and Campbell has the arm but no footwork. How is Boller’s footwork? We know he has the arm. He may just be our answer and has been under our noses this whole time.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
ArmChair DAAAMMMNNN is that right? thne this IS indeed affecting this team and this stubborn fool can’t see it. It is dividing the lockeroom. Sure their not going to let it be known but I can gaurantee you that there is sentiment in both camps.
I know you guy’s dn’t believe this but in this league it’s a known fact that black QB’s dn’t get treated
November 29th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
true gallery in, loper out = no running game
November 29th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Logic tells me, that when a franchise hasn’t had Good QB play in 20 years, QB after QB, Coach after Coach, that the problem is neither QB or Coach.
(of course brief respite during the Gruden/Gannnon 4 years.)
November 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Logic tells me, that when a franchise hasn’t had Good QB play in 20 years, QB after QB, Coach after Coach, that the problem is neither QB or Coach.
(of course brief respite during the Gruden/Gannnon 4 years. Both being persona non-grata right now)
November 29th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
o——– sux
November 29th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Does anybody else think that Larry Fitzgerald belongs in Silver and Black?
November 29th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
It is a known fact that black QB’s don’t get treated well and it bothers a lot of players. Remember the vast majority of this league is black. I’ve heard this over the years by tons of ex-players as well as some present players that it bothers them. When I heard Richard Seymour say that some of the guy’s were going through the motions that stuck in my mind.
And hearing this it reminds me of what Nnamdi said 2 weeks ago in favor of JC. Now I’m certainly just connecting dots and drawing premature conclusions because I don’t know what’s going on in particular.
But a player doesn’t come out and say something that blatant unless it’s becoming a real problem. They will speak their minds and if the coach doesn’t hear them they will let it out otherwise.
These players want this over and done with and I’ve been saying it since day1 thye need to settle on a starter and they never did this loss was on CABLE……..period. I don’t know which guy they want but Cable has them frustrated……….period
November 29th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Well, a huge problem with this team is that both the offensive and defensive schemes revolve around the idea of superior players winning one-on-one match-ups all day long.
The way the league is nowadays, that’s almost impossible to do. Coaches are very good at developing schemes so even their weakest players can be in the position to make plays.
The Raiders want to be bigger, stronger, and faster than the other team. And that’s alright, but if you’re going to do that you have to do that with football players. Not physical specimens and workout warriors.
They did a better job of that than they have in years past, but because of poor drafting in past years this team still has a lot of holes to fill before they can start winning consistently.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Larry Fitzgerald would be a huge addition, but he wants to go somewhere with a good situation at quarterback and on the offensive line. He wants out of Arizona if they’re not going to provide that for him.
I don’t see the Raiders getting him unless they find a long-term answer at the quarterback position.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
I was one who thought Gradkowski was slightly better than Campbell, but it is still very strange how Bruce ended up starting on Sunday. Something happened behind closed doors. All I know is Richard Seymour better be the one with River’s ars on a platter in the first half this Sunday!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
Cable in a Nutshell:
Q:What was Michael Bush’s status? No carries …
Cable: I don’t understand what you’re asking.
Q: Why wasn’t he carrying the ball?
Murphy and Higgins in a nutshell:
The opportunities are there for them to make those plays. We threw a ball over the middle to Louis, and he kind of ducked underneath it. Johnnie, a little break to the ball and go get it [which he didn't].
November 29th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Raiders do have a number one wide receiver and his name is,
Mr. Jacoby Ford.
in only two games he has earned it
November 29th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
The only good QB play the Raiders have had in 20 years was Gannon, and he’s persona non-grata, not allowed on the premises.
His mortal Sin?
Trying to help the Raiders.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Oh yess. Larry Fitzgerald would solve all our problems. lol
Larry Fitzgerald
Mike Vick
Jim Harbaugh
Just dying to come to the Raiders.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
You guys hear Gruden tonight? Jaworski was talking about Alex Smith and how drafting a QB at #1 and missing sets the organization back 5 years. Then Gruden jumps in and said it has a lot to do with how you handle the QB as well. He needs a stable environment and the right supporting cast. I think he was talking right to Al. JR got screwed!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Bill Parcells is a HUGE fan of Al Davis. He’ll come and turn this thing around!!!!!!!! I tell ya!!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
not feeling good about Ware and McFadden facing Rivers. Ughhhhh!!!!!
I second that!
Time to see if Mr. Huff can play that CB position opposite Mr. Routt.
Raiders will then need to start Mr. Brown at free safety.
Mr. Mitchell is probably going to have a lot of PT.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Wrong about Gallery being the cause of the lack of a running game. Gallery was there in the Broncos game and helped make huge holes along with Veldheer. The running game was good in Seattle and decent in KC. The team as a whole just hasn’t played well since the bye which is hard to understand, they must have really slacked off. (that is excluding Ford and maybe McClain last game)
November 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
sirblitzalot Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Armchair GM,
Wha? Well it looks like fumble fingers will join M. Bush in the doghouse. But that is fine with me b/c LM cannot catch in the clutch. I do agree with him, however. I wonder what you all (every single blogger) think about TC as head coach. Does anybody think TC should be coaching this team next year?
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Cable should have been fired last year for impersonation a HC/OCO…
November 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Nobody is a fan of Al Davis. They just stick around for the money.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Cable should have been fired last year for impersonation a HC/OCO…
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He sure fooled you and your master, didn’t he?
November 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
You ask if Cable should be Head Coach? For 31 NFL owners, the answer is HEL _ NO! For the Managing General Partner, please send in Moe, Larry, or Curly anytime! It is do darn difficult supporting this dysfunctional team.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Cable should have been fired last year for impersonation a HC/OCO…
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He sure fooled you and your master, didn’t he?
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Who is my master Kell, YAH???
November 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
For those of you that are 30 years of age or younger, Al Davis will be remembered as a “loser.” And he only has himself to blame.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Beach,
Unfortunately you are correct. I’d like to see Al go out a winner but it doesnt look like it is going to happen anytime soon.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
Debo I’ll give you this for sure IMO Russell is hands down better than Derek Anderson even at 300 lbs. he’s better. DA should NOT be starting in this league fro no one and have better QB’s in the Arena and CFL and UFL IMO DA always has been garbage. He got beat ut by an undrafted FA rookie but the guy got hurt.
IMO Russell could be the starter for a few teams in this league right now. If not a starter an backup but he has a skin disorder which is not correctable.
I honestly believe that Russell is every bit as good as JC if he would play for less money starting at the minimum for a year like Vick he could re-establish himself on the practice field and sit and learn from someone for a year or two. They’ll sign these absolute bums instead like they did with Warren Moon he had to literally BEG his way into this league. It is what it is.
November 29th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
I already regret we didnt trade for troy smith…
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I was all for Troy Smith this last summer and said so numerous times. We could have got him for a 5th round pick. IMO he’s already better that Grads and JC combined. His only real shortcoming is that he’s short – 6′0″ maybe. On the plus side he has great leadership skills, strong accurate arm, can throw all the passes, very mobile and a very tough competitor with the right work ethic. Not picking him up was our loss. We got JC instead for a 4th round pick – Lucky us! If we had Troy Smith on the roster we wouldn’t be going through all these QB gyrations.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
priesttj Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
I honestly believe that Russell is every bit as good as JC if he would play for less money starting at the minimum for a year like Vick he could re-establish himself on the practice field and sit and learn from someone for a year or two. They’ll sign these absolute bums instead like they did with Warren Moon he had to literally BEG his way into this league. It is what it is.
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Priest,
I don’t believe I’m saying this but you may have a thought there. Give him minimum pay, a very tight set of rules to follow and instructions to Seymour & JHenderson to take him out to the back 40 and kick his a$$ big time if he screws up the rules or shows lack of effort. Given that scenario, I’d be willing to see if JR could do it.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
JR had his flashes in 08 but idk if I want him anymore after how much he set the Raiders back. He was outperforming Campbell in camp before he got cut though.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
It would give himthe chance to mature and act responsibly and learn hw to lead from the front. The kid is way to talented to just be out there with no takers while these other bums stink it up every week.
I’ll admit as well I wanted to see him play right away in hindsight he needed to sit at least 2 years. Had he been allowed to sit and watch for 3 years no doubt you would’ve seen a much different player.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
OMG! We have hit rock bottom. Cats on here talking about bringing Russell back to play QB.
If Grads was the peoples choice to start at QB and they got most of the survey from this blog, after reading this stuff today you guys are gonna get Cable and Jackson blacklisted from the league.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
It would give himthe chance to mature and act responsibly and learn hw to lead from the front. The kid is way to talented to just be out there with no takers while these other bums stink it up every week.
I’ll admit as well I wanted to see him play right away in hindsight he needed to sit at least 2 years. Had he been allowed to sit and watch for 3 years no doubt you would’ve seen a much different player.
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Given the fact we don’t have the draft picks we need for a top QB prospect and looking at what’s realistically available in the FA market, looking at a 2nd chance makes some sense. BUT, before that happens, he needs a meeting to clear the air and establish guidelines as to what acceptable and what’s NOT. His old posse won’t be allowed anywhere near him. He needs to be drug tested daily. He needs to attend all meetings and to plan on working OT learning the game & the position. He needs to be weighed daily and he needs to come in at less than 250# and to maintain that level. He needs to change his attitude and get with the program. As far as that goes those last guidelines should apply to all members on the team. We need more peer pressure to achieve and excel at their positions, Otherwise they’re history. All players just there for a paycheck should be jettisoned irrespective of who they are. If TC is to remain the HC, he needs to instill some discipline which I believe we are a little lax on right now.
If JR would agree then I’d say bring him on as soon as he gets down to 250#. He can take Grads place who will soon be on IR IMO.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
He outperformed every QB in camp but the HC didn’t want him, that is becoming more and more clear everyday. Our coach reacts to fan emotions and any coach that does that is not HC material in any league.
I firmly believe he never wanted JC as a starter at all and the first sign of trouble he pulled him and declared him unfit to start. I’m not sure what his opinion of Boller is but I rally believe that if he thought he culd get away with it he would start Boller rather than JC. Just my reaction at this particular time.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Sitting was JaMarcus main problem. When he sits he eats. You bring him in now and sit him, by the time he’s ready he will be replacing Tommy Kelly.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
We must go forward!
I no more want to see Mr. Russell as qb than I do Mr. Shell as head coach and I have complete respect for Mr. Shell.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Haha post 236 its true we have hit rock bottom, we found out both qbs aren’t very good. I think Jamarcus Russell will have to mature a lot like Vick and become a film junkie. It could be him or Young if the Titans let him go.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
JB I agree some perameters have to be set but what they would be is up to the team of course. Russell still has a lot to learn but someone is going to get a very good QB prospect for next to nothing.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
For those who are dumping on the idea of a second chance, with restrictions, for JR at QB, please include your recommended solution for our QB needs. Please make them realistic and achievable otherwise all you are doing is blowing smoke. I’m all for solid recommendations for our problems as long as they are achievable. Anything short of that is a waste of time.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
JB and Priest,
All that sounds good and all but you failed to mention one thing. Russell has $39.5 million under his belt. What motivation does he have to want to do all those things, which by the way he has never done in his life? I’ll bet my house that right now his weight is north of 300. We couldn’t put him on the lemonade diet and have him ready for training camp.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
We have 2 legit starting running backs (we need to trade one of them, while they have value),
Raiders now have a legit #1 WR in Mr. Ford to go along with our TE Mr. Z. Miller,
Raiders have a solid Tackle or Center in Mr. Vehldeer in order to build our O-Line around.
We need a QB, a head coach, and a GM, as well as a linebacker that will tackle as hard as Earl Campbell ran with the football.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
why are yall so surprised by cable? ive mentioned for the last 2 years how ronald curry warned us about him in 08. remember how he said cable was scapegoating him
for the wrs problem? he got benched while that scrub ashley leslie continued to play. he told us that while cable continued to get this “stand up guy” label. cable sold out russell last year even tho that was okay 2 alot of u. then yall had the audacity to get mad when jr defended himself and refused to shoulder all the blame. now cable sells out jc twice in 1 season while covering up for grads. downthebayou came in here telling us how paul hackett was undermining russell last year and then u had a article in the spring saying the same thing he said. 2 different qbs endorsed by the owner but sold out for grads by the same coach. yall think this is a coincindence? get rid of hackett, tolner and cable then start over with the qbs. oh fugg hujackman also!!!!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I said this earlier today but this is my recommendation for the QB situation:
Bring back 1 QB on the roster now and that appears to be Campbell the way it’s looking. Draft a QB with our second and third round picks. They both have to be gym rats who can make all the throws. One of them will pan out. If they both pan out we got a good situation on our hands.
I would do it since we have shown that we don’t value draft picks and roster spots.
There it is.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
# 504 Raider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
JB and Priest,
All that sounds good and all but you failed to mention one thing. Russell has $39.5 million under his belt. What motivation does he have to want to do all those things, which by the way he has never done in his life? I’ll bet my house that right now his weight is north of 300. We couldn’t put him on the lemonade diet and have him ready for training camp.
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You may be right & if so, there’s no deal. I laid out what my minimum acceptable standards would be and he’d have to agree contractually or there would be no second chance.
As far as burning us for the big bucks, yeah he did. I doubt he has all that much left. The fact that he’s been looking might indicate he knows he needs a job sooner or later. He needs to motivate from within and peer pressure can help too.
All I’m saying is that right now we are up Schit creek without a paddle. There’s no immediate or near term help in sight. We need to do something. Maybe, under the right set of circumstances, JR might be able to be turned around. If not, we will not have lost that much at minimum wage. I’m open to other suggestions as long as they are workable.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Raiders need to bring in a top GM or Head Coach,
Al or his son/daughter need to pay the top dollar to get someone who understands what needs to be done.
Available:
Parcells (he wants to coach again),
Gruden,
Schottenheimer,
Cowher,
Edwards,
Green,
Dungy,
Billick,
and dare I add Jimmy Johnson, oh hell yeah!
give him 4 years at $5 w/ six zeroes behind.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
504 No one is happy about what we’re seeing at that position right now. Doen’t matter what QB you favor it was well documented that Russell lit it up in camp prior to being released for 5$mill due him.
I think they wanted him to re-neg on his deal and he wouldn’t give them any wiggle room and they cut him. But no one can tell me he’s worse than what we’ve seen this year at QB. JC should’ve siezed this job from day1 but he didn’t and Grads has flubbed it twice so far. I thought we were way past Russell but I think it’s blatantly obvious that we aren’t.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
The only reason Russell is out looking for takers is because he loves Mobile, Alabama so much. And since the summer, he has been an embarassment to Mobile. It’s a pride thing to him now.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
fugg that grads was hurt sh!t!! he was healthy against pitt and nobody said anything. i was at the game and he had guys open but was late and inaccurate. he was just as responsible for that loss. it was funny to see all the bruce guys turn on him like they did. he left points on the board just like jc did as alot of us were saying. he is selfish and annoying.all that bruuce sh!t gets to his head. he is just as arrogant as russell was but in a manner pleasing to the fans cuz of his rahrah bullsh!t raider fans adore. the fugg up in arizona said it all 2 me. he said he really wanted to sneak it in tho he knew time was running out. if jr or jc did that yall wouldve been all over them. that lil fugger is sly and ive always seen thru it. he comes out talkin all cocky sayin he knows he would be the starter again and he would just have to wait. yall think that was a coincindence 2? how the fugg would he know that during the win streak unless he was told ahead of time behind closed doors. what backup is that damn cocky when the coach said the original starter would stay in cuz of the hot hand? the damn dummy was so arrogant that he told us this weeks ago and nobody paid attention. whats done in the dark shall come to light.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
JB Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
# priesttj Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
It would give himthe chance to mature and act responsibly and learn hw to lead from the front. The kid is way to talented to just be out there with no takers while these other bums stink it up every week.
I’ll admit as well I wanted to see him play right away in hindsight he needed to sit at least 2 years. Had he been allowed to sit and watch for 3 years no doubt you would’ve seen a much different player.
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Given the fact we don’t have the draft picks we need for a top QB prospect and looking at what’s realistically available in the FA market, looking at a 2nd chance makes some sense. BUT, before that happens, he needs a meeting to clear the air and establish guidelines as to what acceptable and what’s NOT. His old posse won’t be allowed anywhere near him. He needs to be drug tested daily. He needs to attend all meetings and to plan on working OT learning the game & the position. He needs to be weighed daily and he needs to come in at less than 250# and to maintain that level. He needs to change his attitude and get with the program. As far as that goes those last guidelines should apply to all members on the team. We need more peer pressure to achieve and excel at their positions, Otherwise they’re history. All players just there for a paycheck should be jettisoned irrespective of who they are. If TC is to remain the HC, he needs to instill some discipline which I believe we are a little lax on right now.
If JR would agree then I’d say bring him on as soon as he gets down to 250#. He can take Grads place who will soon be on IR IMO.
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Holy schitt!!!! I like where this convo is going! Personally, I think the weight issue was overblown. I’ll take the guy who pulled out the Denver game any day of the week over Campbell. He’s already shown me that he’s durable, will stand in and deliver the ball in the face a rush, and that he’s got serious clutch in him. He’s also durable which is saying a lot when you consider the BS we’ve put up with with Bruise. TJ, AD giving in to the knucklehead fans and our dumbass coach and cutting JR bothered the schitt out of me. Any chance fences can be mended and both parties can do it right this time? This Rudy garbage is so annoying!
November 29th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
I us wonder how JR would respond to a HC like Gruden? Somehow, I think Chucky would be all over him to be all he can be.
This rumor of Gruden going to SF really pi$$es me off. If Gruden returns to the Bay Area, it should be to the Raiders where he really belongs. Gruden is a Raider at heart plain & simple.
If TC really is part of the problem, AD should step up and bring Gruden back – sooner than later.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
The #1 Coach I would want us to have although he is not available is Mike Smith.
I would trade every pick we have except the second rounder for him. That 2nd round pick is for Smith’s QB.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Raiders QB/passing stats would be 100 yards less and two interceptions more if it were not for Mr. Ford.
If not for Jacob Raiders get embarrassed twice in a row 33-3 after a 35-3 whooping.
when did Bess become an all-pro
November 29th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Bottom line is a WASTED #1 pick will set a team back at least 5 years…
I wish JR would came back to this team, humbled and ready to earn his keep, but that doesn’t seem to be in the cards…
November 29th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Armond Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
why are yall so surprised by cable? ive mentioned for the last 2 years how ronald curry warned us about him in 08. remember how he said cable was scapegoating him
for the wrs problem? he got benched while that scrub ashley leslie continued to play. he told us that while cable continued to get this “stand up guy” label. cable sold out russell last year even tho that was okay 2 alot of u. then yall had the audacity to get mad when jr defended himself and refused to shoulder all the blame. now cable sells out jc twice in 1 season while covering up for grads. downthebayou came in here telling us how paul hackett was undermining russell last year and then u had a article in the spring saying the same thing he said. 2 different qbs endorsed by the owner but sold out for grads by the same coach. yall think this is a coincindence? get rid of hackett, tolner and cable then start over with the qbs. oh fugg hujackman also!!!!!!
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Hell Fckin Yeah!!! Anyone that can’t see that the momentum we had going in 2008 was brought to a screeching halt by the hiring of Tollner and Hackett is a damn fool! Al should have been more involved here.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Maybe Gruden is making a pitch to Al in a round about way. Yesterday I read where when Miami (The U) fired Shannon and that Gruden contacted them to be their next coach and that Miami was very interested.
Today a rumor about the 49ers and Gruden? That has “Al you better come get me” written all over it.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Hey Jerry,
How did you hear about:
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November 29th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
cable has his own scholarship like yall say davis has. he changes bruce campbells position and doesnt let him play while sticking with carlisle. same sh!t he did with kwame over mario. signing grads is one of the worst moves this organization has made. this lil punk has divided the fanbase and the damn organization. if u think im crazy then name another qb that has caused this much trouble. russell aint here no more and jc just got here but u have the same nonsense going on. nobody fought for russell and not now for jc. why doesnt hackett get some blame? he is the damn qb coach and jc is worst now than in washington. grads is worst than last year. what the hell does tolner do? explain the concept of our offense and what vision for the future does it entail?
November 29th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
One of AD’s favorite things to do is take #1 picks who’ve failed and try them here. I wonder how he’d feel about JR IF the conditions of employment I mentioned earlier were agreed to by JR?
We really need our first pick (second round) next year for a center. The second & third picks for another O-line (RT or RG) and a run stuffing DT. All the good QB prospects will be long gone before we get our first pick.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Armond,
If true Hackett and Tollner needs to each be given a carton of cigarettes and sent packing.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Peer pressure would prevent Russell from wanting to come back here.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
debo its been alot of behind the scenes things that have messed us up. ive said that alot of sh!t about russel will leak out a few years after he is gone. i feel that other things not about him will come out also. cable and hansen was 1rst last year. there is alot more to come. there is some dirty sh!t in that building going on there preventing this team from moving forward and it aint pretty.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Anyone see Derek Anderson’s interview after the game? Won points with me.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Jacoby Ford is shockingly good, that kid is what I think of when I think of a Raider. He is balls to the wall and he don’t back down. He’s coming at you full speed, after getting manhandled in Pitt he came out and almost single handedly beat Miami. The sam ea she did against KC.
I haven’t seen a Raider rokie like him in many years, tooooo many. Get this guy a legit QB and it’s over…………forget about it. His size is actually an asset because he’s biult like a fire hydrin I was saying in here last week that I would love t see him in the backfield the way they use Darren Sproles and it was like someone read my post because he was in there with DMC in the wildcat formation. Unfortunately Reece fumbled ending that but I would love to see him and DMC in that same formation but give it to Ford or he keeps it. He’s doing everything I envisioned DHB doing and some.
November 29th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
504 i wont lie about being 1 of russells last supporters in here. im mad at him for alot of things he didnt do and where we could be now. but there is alot of strange things ive never seen happen with a player before that doesnt sit right. with all the bullsh!t that is coming out and the same people are still around it makes u wonder what is really going on. russ is gone but now jc is going thru the same sh!t for some scrub qb. im no jc fan but this is beyond ridiculous.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Armond Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
debo its been alot of behind the scenes things that have messed us up. ive said that alot of sh!t about russel will leak out a few years after he is gone. i feel that other things not about him will come out also. cable and hansen was 1rst last year. there is alot more to come. there is some dirty sh!t in that building going on there preventing this team from moving forward and it aint pretty.
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I believe it. Cutting our #1 pick basically for having one bad year with NOTHING at WR, OL or on defense makes no sense to me. And for Jason Campbell?? I could see bringing him in to compete with JR, but to cut him in favor or JC and Scabkowski? Something has to be up!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
didnt see the interview debo, what he say?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
As we have talked about, we got ourselves into this little mess here for two weeks, we can get ourselves out of it and have no doubt that we will.
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Oh. No doubt ‘eh? I have no doubt you failed as a coach. You said yourself you’re paid to win games. You said this was a playoff team, it isn’t. I am sick and tired of hearing how “We’re gonna fix this”. “We’re getting close”. “We know what we have to do”.
Does Mr. Cable REALLY think Raiders will beat San Diego on Sunday? C’mon already. It’s 5-7 and out of the hunt. Maybe next year we’ll be better but I’m sick of false hope. I don’t expect him to say “hey we’re giving up, I gotta be honest with ya”, but I am sick of hearing how he supposedly knows exactly what to do and that he has ‘no doubt there gonna turn it around’.
We’ll be hearing that same garbage after they lose to KC to end the season, about how “I think we made some good strides there towards the end, even though we lost all those games in the second half of the season”. “Oh, there’s no doubt about it. We’re getting close”.
“No doubt”? Yeah, don’t worry Cable’s gotta plan to beat San Diego and then fix everything and get us to the playoffs…I’m sick of hearing this garbage.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Scabkowski has ZERO redeming qualities as far as I can tell. Below average intelligence, arm strenth, size, durability, leadership, the list goes on and on. Why the hell is this scrub here? Get him off the roster tonight!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Armond,
Some writer asked him why he was laughing with Deuce Lutui on the bench when they were down 18. DA got pissed and told him it’s none of anyone’s business what he and Lutui were talking about. Then he started yelling about how much time he puts in during the week and how he doesn’t like getting embarrassed on Monday night. The guy tried to ask another question and he cut him short and walked out.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Russell has already been humbled and embarrassed now it’s a matter of healing and accepting responsibility for his part in his own undoing once he does that Mr Davis would be all ears.
Great talents like Russell don’t grow on trees and he has ability that none of our guys have he knows it and that’s probably why the benching and the release came as such a shock to him. He has to growup and face facts that he also had a hand in it. You cannot do what he did and lead anyone. But if he turns from partying to film watching most of what he did would be solved. Late parties are what made him late to meetings and fall asleep in them and not studying film is why he was getting caught in wrong formations and lack of anticipation.
But when the game was on the line he was as good as they come he played his best ball when he needed to.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Could tollner and hackett be undermining hue jack?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
wouldnt surprise me if they did thec07
November 29th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
I, like all other posters here, am tired of losing and being the joke of the league. I just want to win! These last 7 years have beat us down badly. We are tired of that Schit, ENOUGH! I’m not here to point out blame. There’s more than enough of that around so almost everything mentioned is a valid shortcoming. I don’t want to hear any more of Tom Cable’s say nothing dialog. The trouble begins at the top and permeates throughout the organization. Say nothing Tom Cable, just win. If you can’t do that get out! If a player is not giving his all bench & expose his a$$ for what he isn’t. If Assistant coaches aren’t getting it done, fire them NOW! Enough of this less than mediocrity. It’s time for the worm to turn. Take no prisoners, just win the war.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
To be hnest guy’s I think if it weren’t for Mr Davis someone would’ve signed him by now. I think in some small way he’s keeping people away from him because he wants him back.
I have zero facts nor have I heard anything to substanciate this but it’s a gut feeling.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
yall notice how unprepared and soft this team has looked since the kc game? guys playing before they should, inaccurate injury reports and last minute changes at qb. this isnt a coincidence the team has lost 2 in a row. the energy of this team is the complete opposite of that kc game and they were stupid enuff to think this sh!t wouldnt get out. we need to really look at this problem here and its bigger than al davis believe it or not. wouldnt surprise me if some people are trying to undermine davis and the sh!t is backfiring. now hows that for some conspiracy sh!t?yall really think this is on the players, hahahahaha
November 29th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Grads vs Campbell, 24/7 in here.
I think Russell is better than both of them. I’d like to see him come back to the Raider bench.
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I post this this afternoon, and look at Priestj parroting me.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
armond Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
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If nothing else you got people thinking, me included…
We dont go 8-8 minimum we need to run the whole staff outta town….tollner lal, hackett, jack, cable, marshall, the trainer, water boy, and soda vendor…get the fugg out…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Seymour as much said that players weren’t giving their all this last week and questioned the commitment in the locker room. If true, Cable needs to turn that around immediately or he’s toast. He may be toast already. Bring Gruden back and establish some discipline. I’m thinking TC’s days are running out quickly. After we get slammed next week at SDGO, we need to be playing and planing for next year. That means Carlisle out, BCampbell in. Walker out, MHenderson in. I don’t care which is RG or RT. Just let’s see who can tote the load at those positions. Our first draft choice should be Mike Pouncey for the center position. At QB I don’t care if it’s JC or Boller. Just play to win.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
oh and let me let yall in on some bullsh!t i know. 2 years ago a drug rep that made deliveries at some of the same offices i go to had a friend on atlantas practice squad. the muhfugga said homeboy said dhall was lazy and didnt do sh!t. all that fugger did was show up and talk sh!t but didnt really study film or nothin. knew we got raped the minute we traded for him. i didnt want to believe it but obviously it was true. i know this chick who works at one of my offices and she hangs with matt shawny and dbryant. i ask her to tell me why shawny never starts over scott tho he did in the presaeason. she comes back and says that its part of this rotation bs. yall notice in cables presser that dhb went from bad hammy to part of the “rotation” bs as to why he didnt play much yesterday? they use that excuse everytime they coverin somethin up. she told me this 3 different times before scott got hurt. imma have to hang with her fine azz so i can get some real azz info on thangz. trust me, whenever they say rotation its some other bs.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
I said this a while ago. Cable seems to be happy to have a HC job, with the Raiders, knowing he wouldn’t ever get such a prominent role elsewhere, and appears to have been trying to milk the meal-ticket, and ride the gravy train as long as possible.
He’s done some good things, but his mismanaged so much more and really isnt needed. Only really there cos the players wanted continuity.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Al Davis stinks up the building. It’s his show.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
As if any Raider Head coach has any authority. “You People” are playing with yourself, and like it, I guess.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
KK if I’m parroting you I’m only proud to do so because it’s exactly how I feel we muct have been thinking the exact same thing. So kudos brotha.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
JB Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Seymour as much said that players weren’t giving their all this last week and questioned the commitment in the locker room. If true, Cable needs to turn that around immediately or he’s toast. He may be toast already. Bring Gruden back and establish some discipline. I’m thinking TC’s days are running out quickly. After we get slammed next week at SDGO, we need to be playing and planing for next year. That means Carlisle out, BCampbell in. Walker out, MHenderson in. I don’t care which is RG or RT. Just let’s see who can tote the load at those positions. Our first draft choice should be Mike Pouncey for the center position. At QB I don’t care if it’s JC or Boller. Just play to win.
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Can’t wait to see Cable gone, but I wouldn’t put it past us knocking off SD on Sunday behind JC. The last time I predicted doom for this team, he beat Denver 59-14. And he’s beaten SD before.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
You people can play with yourself all you like, but it ain’t sex.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
I’m watching the presser from today based on what everyone is saying and it’s blatantly obvious that this team thinks JC should be starting I didn’t see this earlier today but now I’m SURE that they want JC as the starter.
What a freakin eye opener they didn’t like the fact that JC got pulled in Pitt and benched vs Miami.
Cable has created his own mess and only he can fix it. IMO he can’t get it done we’re witnessing the last days of Cablevision get ready for the next guy up.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Priesttj Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Cable has created his own mess and only he can fix it. IMO he can’t get it done we’re witnessing the last days of Cablevision get ready for the next guy up.
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Oh yeah, another breath taking Coach search by Al Davis. Oh my, how exciting.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
I can’t wait for all you stooges to tell me how creative Kevin Gilbride is.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
lets put it this way, u have a hc who was recruited by another hc who tried to undermine the current owner who is suppose to undermine his coaches. the previous hc was fired for cause cuz he was open with his sh!t. the current hc was promoted and saw 1rst hand how not to get things done. he then goes and quietly gets his way by azz kissin and alienating certain FAVORITES of the owner. he then undermines his former colleagues (defilippo,knapp) and plays up to the owner while getting his guys in. (hackett tollner garcia)lets not also forget how cable called out kiffin for taking away his line coach to Tennessee. all of a sudden he gains more respect in the organization while secretly running out certain players and coaches. russell got along with kiffin but then regresses in 09. garcia campaigns for russells job on radio and later cables bs with hansen comes out. for as much sh!t as russ took he had support from several players and those guys are gone. remember warren being 1 of the main guys to console him while being benched against kc and tony stewart prasing him after the denver win? russell took criticism well from lance but not from cable. he was never known to talk the way he did to the media about the team until CABLE SOLD HIM OUT.now jc is in the same situation. why has grads always felt he was the starter no matter who was ahead of him going back to last year? ive never seen a unestablished BACKUP QB so arrogant about playing. cable has used his “love” for the raiders as a way to get what he wants at any cost. unlike lance who was brutally honest, cable is sneaky and tactful. makes sense since kiff recruited him. birds of a feather flock 2gether.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Armond #293
What about the other 25 years of incompetence?
November 29th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Gnite. Same old excuses for the poor old man victim running the organization.
Can’t wait to hear your panting approval of Kevin Gilbride.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Good riddance!!
November 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
al davis has created a mess he cant get out of. he has let this organization slip up big time. he cant win under these circumstances. he has coaches and a medical staff with no clue. he is the problem cuz he lets it happen but he can correct it by firing the majority of his staff and bringing in better people. i really believe u have people in there going against him that have no clue on how to run a team. its his fault for hiring them and not bringing in those who can. its gotten to the point where he has lost control. i dont believe he should quit but let someone clean house and restart this thing. i dont mean by players but administrative employees. the trainers and medical staff need to go. until he takes control, he has none.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
priesttj Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
To be hnest guy’s I think if it weren’t for Mr Davis someone would’ve signed him by now. I think in some small way he’s keeping people away from him because he wants him back.
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impossible to keep people away from anyone who’s unsigned. they simply contact the players agent directly.
Russell was one of Al’s biggest embarrassments, if not the biggest embarrassment. After Russell’s antics, including his recent off the field activities, I would venture to say Russell’s bridges are all blown up, never to be rebuilt.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
Armond Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
but he can correct it by firing the majority of his staff and bringing in better people.
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He’s the number 1 problem. He’s already fired staff after staff.
Get it through your head.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
kk i could care less about your hate for davis. im no big fan of the man or a hater. he is the man in charge so he is the blame for letting it happen. he also has people he hires to do a job and they suck at it. they are responsible 2. the rooneys didnt win for over 25 years also. steinbrennner went decades without winning. so did the cowboys the redwings and so on. u whine about a man u hate yet u still watch. now thats crazy.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
Alright Mods. goodnite.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
if its about losing then why do u show up? when i was disgusted with the team in 05-06 i stopped going to games and didnt make them a priority on sundays. i got a life and had fun. when we got the 1rst pick in 07 i was excited at having a possible franchise qb. they went young and i thought we had a promising draft. since then ive liked some things and disliked others. if they piss me off again then i wont make them a priority again. thats how u deal with life. al davis dont control me like he does u. its foolish to think he will fire himself kk. u are wasting your time. we had success with him when gruden was here and your azz loved it so shut up.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Grads vs Campbell, 24/7 in here.
I think Russell is better than both of them. I’d like to see him come back to the Raider bench
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I would luv to see Jawalrus do well in Oakland, he just ain’t smart enough to be a QB. GREAT arm though.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
265.armond Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
there is alot more to come. there is some dirty sh!t in that building going on there preventing this team from moving forward and it aint pretty.
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Interesting. You are the conspirator pro. I’ll roll with that.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:02 am
Hue Jackson is not the answer. In the 2nd half w/ DMAC running backwards he makes no adjustment. 1 maybe 2 screens the whole day and he gets yards. Handoff to the FullBack? and not Bush? result: fumble. Passing on 1st down with the early lead.
It might not be his fault that Grads arm went out or that DHB is on AL scholarship, or poor o-line, but come on, is in-game adjustment too much to ask for!!
November 30th, 2010 at 1:04 am
Jerry, I was just barely paying attention to the press conference when suddenly you put Cable on the hot seat. Great work. Found it interesting that he got personal with you by asking what it meant “in your world”. You were asking him questions about the team, which is your job, he takes it to a person level. Sound familiar? We see that Raider corporate mentality in here a lot as well. But of course we make no assumptions…
November 30th, 2010 at 1:07 am
armond Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
kk i could care less about your hate for davis. im no big fan of the man or a hater.
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LIAR.
You either love or hate Al Davis. I don’t believe any person on the planet who says they’re neutral on Al Davis. You’re with him, or you’re not. At least me and Kell are honest that we hate him. You, on the other hand, are not fooling anyone with this, “I don’t love or hate Al”. The hell you don’t. You love him. You support him. You’re only here sticking up for him. Otherwise, you’d just ignore me and Kell. Nice try.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:08 am
Al Davis is a loser, a bum, who needs to retire. His shills are transparent amateurs.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:21 am
Against competent D lines the Oline does not give time for deep routes or PA. And if teams just stack up againt the run, why not throw more screens?
November 30th, 2010 at 2:27 am
MR do you ever give it a rest?
November 30th, 2010 at 3:18 am
But it seems to be affecting the locker room, guys not knowing who the QB is?
Cable: I just met with them and I didn’t get that feeling at all.
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He never spoke to Louis Murphy…
I know hes been hurt and all but Murph has been really inconsistent and had too many drops.
Needs to lok at himself and stop blaming the QB rotation.
Neither QB nor Cable is responsible for him not dragging a foot to stay in bounds or flat out donking one off his hands or pads.
Heres the simple math Coach, 2 below average QBs + 1 sub par O line x 2nd yr and rookie WRs = 29th ranked passing game. And where the heck is BEY?!
November 30th, 2010 at 4:46 am
LMAO at the Jamarcus talk!!!
He didn’t beat out those stiffs that the Redskins and Dolphins signed.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:00 am
2011 Raiders starting QB will be one of these guys:
Vince Young
Kyle Orton
Matt Hasselback
Alex Smith
Shaun Hill
Rex Grossman
My bets are on Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton. Al will grossly overpay Orton to steal him from Denver.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:26 am
Night sky looks wonderful this morning.
Breathing good clean air
Woodstove is cooking hot
Off to work I go.
Its a great day to be a Raider fan!!
RAIDERS 41
New Tijuana Discharge 17
Take Rivers out early!!
November 30th, 2010 at 5:45 am
As I stated yesterday, Campbell played against the Chargers in the last game of the season in 2009.
So this weekend will be his 3rd game against the Chargers, in his last 10 regular season games.
If anyone should be comfortable against these guys, it should be him.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:49 am
Did anybody else notice that in the Miami game, Seymour did not have the same spark as before. When he’s playing good, he is fast off the snap count and destroying the backfield. I was waiting for that all game and he was quiet. If the Raiders are going to have a chance against San Diego, Seymour has to play lights out. He has to take over the game.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:54 am
2011 Raiders starting QB will be one of these guys:
Vince Young
Kyle Orton
Matt Hasselback
Alex Smith
Shaun Hill
Rex Grossman
My bets are on Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton. Al will grossly overpay Orton to steal him from Denver.
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A.B. Payne III, add Brady Quinn into the mix. I think the Raiders would take a chance on him, especially since Denver thought he was worth only a number three in there quarterback order.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:57 am
2011 Raiders starting QB will be one of these guys:
Vince Young
Kyle Orton
Matt Hasselback
Alex Smith
Shaun Hill
Rex Grossman
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What a sobering thought.
Half those guys don’t even deserve to be in the league anymore.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Mornin’ Nation.
Unless Al pries VY away from Tennessee, Jason Campbell will the 2011 starter.
Looking at the free agent QBs and the ones who might be conceivably available through trade, Young is the only one who’d Al would favor over Campbell, I promise you.
Since VJax will be out, I’ll take away a touchdown from the Chargers in my predicted score. Chargers 34-Raiders 16
November 30th, 2010 at 6:29 am
Didn’t Kyle Orton get an extension?
Wouldn’t mind him here at all.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:29 am
2011 Raiders starting QB will be one of these guys:
Vince Young
Kyle Orton
Matt Hasselback
Alex Smith
Shaun Hill
Rex Grossman
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Outside of Vince Young, I would not take my chance of any one on this list. Kyle Orton should not be on this list as Denver will resign him…
November 30th, 2010 at 6:30 am
So we’re not drafting a starting QB then? I think so. Somebody in rounds 3-5.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:34 am
Q: Why not disclose the QB change last week?
Cable: It was not about that. I think I told you from the very beginning that when he’s ready to go 100 percent he would be. Had you asked me Wednesday I would have told you. But you didn’t.
Q: But we asked Friday about pulling Jason, questions obviously geared to Jason starting, you said nothing?
A: How does that really affect though what went on in your world?
Q: In my world?
Cable: I think this. If you have a personal issue with it it’s your issue with it, that’s OK. But it’s my job as a coach to do what I think is right. Had you asked me, I’ve always told you guys the bottom line. That’s that.
Q: But it seems to be affecting the locker room, guys not knowing who the QB is?
Cable: I just met with them and I didn’t get that feeling at all.
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Cable doesn’t get the feeling that he’s lost the locker room. After openly having a brainfart and questioning a reporter asking a valid question about “His world”. This is some bizarre behavior by Cable. His lying and bullying of reporters is way unprofessional. He’s gotta go.
In my world? WTF is that?
November 30th, 2010 at 6:35 am
Somebody in rounds 3-5.
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Yep, unless someone is on the board that they really like in round 2.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:36 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 6:30 am
So we’re not drafting a starting QB then? I think so. Somebody in rounds 3-5.
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Past round 2, you generally don’t get anything but projects who need to sit for a few years. Otherwise, they’d go higher. There are exceptions obviously, but it’s not a safe gamble.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:36 am
A: How does that really affect though what went on in your world?
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Classic….
November 30th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Tolzien
Dalton
Locker
Stanzi
Foles
interest anyone?
November 30th, 2010 at 6:40 am
In the “world” of a beat reporter covering the Raiders, I think it affects what they do immensely. Cable stepped on his diiick with that line.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:42 am
NO LESS A GAMBLE THAN A TOP OR 1ST OVERALL PICK SnB,WITH THE FINANCIAL RAMIFICATIONS…
November 30th, 2010 at 6:42 am
LA to the Bay,
Don’t know enough about Tolzien to make a judgment, and I’m not wild about Stanzi, but I’d be fine with any of the other ones. Don’t think any are Day 1 starters, except MAYBE Locker. But I don’t think any are long term projects either; they could all start by year 2.
Foles in particular is an intriguing prospect who’s flying a bit under the radar.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:43 am
I like Stanzi and Tolzien because they play in pro-style offenses and manage the game very well. High football IQ. I know Stanzi struggled last year down the stretch, but his numbers were skewed by a 5 INT game that he actually came from behind and won.
I love Kellen Moore, but he doesn’t have nearly the arm strength for Al Davis.
Sucks how the draft talk is becoming more and more.
Positives so far from this season:
-3 game win streak and 4-1 over 5 games. Playoff and even superbowl talk for a month was fun.
-The emergence of Jacoby Ford
-Veldheer looks to be a player
Few others, but taste of two ugly defeats too bitter to list.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:43 am
Cable is a trained monkey.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:44 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 6:42 am
LA to the Bay,
Don’t know enough about Tolzien to make a judgment, and I’m not wild about Stanzi, but I’d be fine with any of the other ones. Don’t think any are Day 1 starters, except MAYBE Locker. But I don’t think any are long term projects either; they could all start by year 2.
Foles in particular is an intriguing prospect who’s flying a bit under the radar.
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Tolzien is overshadowed by that run game, but he’s very accurate, makes good decisions, manages the game well and has a decent arm.
Likley these guys would start year 2, I agree. Unless it’s Campbell again next year and then I predict they start week 2.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:45 am
I think the Jacoby Ford emergence was dumb luck. We went after another track star and stumbled onto a straight baller.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:46 am
I think I’m the only one here who thought the Dolphins game would be tough to win and the Chargers game completely winnable, lol.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:47 am
Jimbo, I’ll take it either way. I think he was drafted as a WR project 2nd and a KR/PR 1st.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:48 am
I just wish this team could rally and finish 8-8.
A respectable record, plus the emergence of a potential franchise LT and our own version of Steve Smith would be huge positives.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:49 am
Is cable seeing a shrink? The losses damaging his ego?
That whole “How does that really affect though what went on in your world?” thing sounds like pschobabble bullsh!t.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:51 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 6:47 am
Jimbo, I’ll take it either way. I think he was drafted as a WR project 2nd and a KR/PR 1st.
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I hear ya. I’ll take it too. Been a pretty good draft class this year.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:51 am
Much as I’d be interested in Foles, he’s only a junior and I wonder if he’d return for his senior season when there’s a good chance he’d be a high first round pick, instead of a 2nd round like now.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:52 am
Cable’s frustrated. He’s handcuffed and outcoached. His team can’t buy a crossing route or drag route completion. They can’t run and he may be detecting that they’re already folding.
I agree with him that the SD game comes at the right time. They all hate the Chargers and have to get a W to stay alive.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Yeah, but hate doesn’t win games. The Chargers just punk’d the Colts at their home. And we are the walking wounded.
Things look bleak. I agree that there are probably more than a few that are already making fishing trip plans in a month.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:56 am
Hue has been really disappointing. Wonder if Cable has the juice to take over playcalling duties again or if he would be overriden by Al.
In Hue’s defense, the team looks a lot more vanilla then they did before. Wonder if at the bye Al forced a gameplan on the coaching staff after seeing Campbell to Ford deep a bunch of times.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:57 am
In Hue’s defense, the team looks a lot more vanilla then they did before. Wonder if at the bye Al forced a gameplan on the coaching staff after seeing Campbell to Ford deep a bunch of times.
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I always hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but in this case I will and say I think that’s exactly what happened. I just can’t figure out any reason for the sudden reversion to vanilla schemes.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:58 am
Yeah, the Miami game should have been a big bounce-back game. They got the opening kickoff return for a TD to energize the team and the fans, but couldn’t sustain a drive and couldn’t stop a Miami drive.
As a team, they just lacked punch. The only way this team wins is by overpowering the opponent. They won’t do it with Xs and Os.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:58 am
I think Hue is probably regretting coming over here. In the preseason, it was his team and he called the shots. But it has seemed more like the old Al Davis plan lately. I bet it burns Hue to throw out his playbook.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:59 am
LA To TheBay
Do you believe the Raiders will show up to play at San Diego this Sunday?
November 30th, 2010 at 7:00 am
Misdirection, play action, creativity all thrown out the window it seems.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:00 am
I had that same thought, Jimbo.
The team HAS to win Al’s way, else he won’t get all the credit for the franchise’s resurgence and he can’t stand that thought. Nevermind the fact that the franchise will never come back playing 70’s football…you’ll never convince Davis.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:01 am
It’s sorta funny in that Davis made his reputation as an innovator and a guy willing to think outside the proverbial box. You’d think he’d delight in all the new offensive schemes and whatnot.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:02 am
I do. Their season is on the line here. If they win, they snap SDs streak, get to 6-6 with 4 left and leapfrog SD in the process.
I think they get back to running the ball and not neccecarily with just McFadden.
Campbell is best in his role as a game manager and PA QB.
I hope they get back to this and think they will.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:04 am
I can’t be too optomistic though, because with all the preparation up to the Miami game at 5-5 with an opportunity to stay in 2nd place regardless of what SD did that night, they laid a major egg.
They need to punch people in the mouth and be a bully.
They need O Linemen that will bring it next year. Nasty mofos.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:05 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 7:01 am
It’s sorta funny in that Davis made his reputation as an innovator and a guy willing to think outside the proverbial box. You’d think he’d delight in all the new offensive schemes and whatnot.
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Maybe if he were 20-30 years younger.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:06 am
If they lose Sunday, things are going to get real bad.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:08 am
I hope so. My son and I are going to be there.
45 yard line,row 21, Plaza.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:09 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 7:01 am
It’s sorta funny in that Davis made his reputation as an innovator and a guy willing to think outside the proverbial box. You’d think he’d delight in all the new offensive schemes and whatnot.
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How ironic. But we you get to be 80 years old plus, you get kinda set in your ways. I bet Al is as sharp as a tack, (for an 80 year old). Notice how everybody says that about him and has to qualify his age. He’s out of touch with todays players and coaches.
He should be revered, honored for his groundbreaking role in the NFL. But his time to be involved in day to day operations has long passed.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:10 am
I think they get back to running the ball and not neccecarily with just McFadden.
Campbell is best in his role as a game manager and PA QB.
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This is their only shot to win. San Diego’s pass rush is fearsome and we all saw what Campbell did in the face of an equally devastating Steelers pass rush. (i.e., folded up like a cheap card table)
McFadden missed the Chargers game with injury, but Bush had a 100 yard day against them. The proper use of both will be critical.
The Chargers have a top 5 rush defense, but I wonder how misleading that might be. Bush put up 100+. Arian Foster killed them for 127 yards.
They’ve also played HORRIBLE run teams like Seattle, Arizona and Indianapolis. The Patriots beat them with the pass game and didn’t run very much at all.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:14 am
If I were Hue, I’d pull a John Marshall and deviate from Al’s gameplan. Crossing routes, screens, drags, hitches, quick slants and outs.
He has more to lose though, being under contract thru next year and possibly the HC.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:18 am
If I was Hue, I agree with you LA to TheBay, I’d say “F it!” I’ll be fired anyway. Lets go out with some style like Lane Kiffen did kicking ridiculously long FG’s and smearing it in AD’s face.
Better to win your way and risk AD’s ire, than get fired by being a fat puppet, and lose all your coaching cred you had to that point and any you have going forward.
I’d say to Hue, “Cut the SHHHT lose”
November 30th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Cable: Well, sure they are, but it’s been like that. This isn’t anything new for us. You’re going to see eight- and nine-man boxes. That’s what happens when you’re a good running football team. So you have to be able to handle that. Our system has been built to handle that. That’s part of the deal.
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LMAO
November 30th, 2010 at 7:33 am
A: How does that really affect though what went on in your world?
Q: In my world?
Cable: I think this. If you have a personal issue with it it’s your issue with it, that’s OK. But it’s my job as a coach to do what I think is right. Had you asked me, I’ve always told you guys the bottom line. That’s that.
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LMFAO call out by the media ouch
November 30th, 2010 at 7:33 am
Big Pep Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
mistic was know where to be found last week, but hes in here calling people weak cause hes got a bullet in his pea shooter. show up week after week win or lose and state facts.
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This is a flat out lie! Not only was i here but i tried to bring people up to speed on the real issues facing this team, the oline and cable.
I made the case that the oline has been awful in pass protection & average at run blocking. If you fidnt read my post its ok, but dont just make stuff up.
You end up looking like a clown.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Jimbo Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 6:45 am
I think the Jacoby Ford emergence was dumb luck. We went after another track star and stumbled onto a straight baller.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
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Have to disagree with you on this one Bruh….
Although the Mr. Davis likes track stars mode of operation is allways in full effect, this kid is a footballer first and foremost who happens to be very fast… He played football growing up from his youth forward. He is not some fast college convert who the football coach seen and tried to convert to football.
He got some shine but not alot becuase his stable mate was CJ Spiller…
I am suprised that NONE of you Pro’s and Semi Pro’s couldnt see this duing training camp. the reports were that he was ripping it.
He also gave you a 64 yard bomb that he cuaght from Boller in the preseason against the 2nd string safety from seattle. Had it not been for his hamstring injury he would not be 4-5 games behind schedule.
JFORD is a baller as you so eloquently put it, he just happend to run track…..
November 30th, 2010 at 7:39 am
G’morn Thec
Was it you that compared J Ford to S Smith? I hope that turns out to be the case, love the idea of a talent like that in Oak!
November 30th, 2010 at 7:39 am
Dakota, what up man? You were/are 1000% correct on cable…Guy is not a HC…you and I went back and forth on this issue with his record, i was wrong for ever defending this idiots HC record. He is as you say the time out coordinator extrodinaire….Nothing more, and we can all dispense with the Oline guru talk…
Cable is a cave man, no diffrent than Fred Flintstone.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:40 am
We need to force feed Murphy if Ford can draw the coverage to his side. Else, exploit Ford. No Zach Miller, so we need to open up the offense and go vertical more, “cut loose”.
I want to see my 2010 Raiders in the their last hurrah, last at bat…
I want to see them go down swinging. None of this short stuff, ball position crapola. We need to take it to them. If we do that and fail, I can live with it. I can look towards next year and not feel so bitter.
But if we blindly follow AD’s olde tyme football plan, I will be mad.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:41 am
Give a Monkey a Brain, and He’ll Swear He’s the Center of the Universe – Tom Cable
November 30th, 2010 at 7:42 am
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 7:39 am
G’morn Thec
Was it you that compared J Ford to S Smith? I hope that turns out to be the case, love the idea of a talent like that in Oak!
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what up Homie?…. I don’t remember mentioning Steve Smith, as I was allready getting ran outta town for saying he was going to be good, and take some rn from JLH…. Steve Smith was brough up by another Semi Pro however that was during the season….
November 30th, 2010 at 7:47 am
mornin’ nation
with the qb argument behind us this blog can focus on other issues going forward,,like the cable guy and o-line
November 30th, 2010 at 7:47 am
Why do you fools keep talking about QBs to draft. Al Davis is not going to draft a QB, unless it it a late rounder. First of all, the Raiders are incapable of developing a young QB. Ken Stabler is probably the last successful Raider QB who was drafted by the team. Second, Al Davis does not want to wait 3 or 4 years for a QB to develop. Face it, until Davis is no longer running this team, there will be no young franchise QB for the Raiders. Unless he trades for Kolb, it’s not going to happen. Most likely, we’re going to end up with a slightly better Jason Campbell.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:50 am
I don’t like Jason Campbell, but if we are stuck with his mediocre skills, we should abandon wasting prime draft picks on QB’s and solidify the OL spots. At least with a good line, we give the guy a chance to be decent. But if we keep ignoring the OL, what difference does it make if we have a stud rookie QB?
November 30th, 2010 at 7:50 am
now that jason is not looking over his shoulder he’ll be awesome for the remainder of the season, he’ll lift this team for san diego.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:50 am
In the off season, the Raiders need to acquire a possession WR, lots of offensive lineman, and a serviceable QB.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:51 am
Jimbo Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 7:40 am
We need to force feed Murphy if Ford can draw the coverage to his side. Else, exploit Ford. No Zach Miller, so we need to open up the offense and go vertical more, “cut loose”.
I want to see my 2010 Raiders in the their last hurrah, last at bat…
I want to see them go down swinging. None of this short stuff, ball position crapola. We need to take it to them. If we do that and fail, I can live with it. I can look towards next year and not feel so bitter.
But if we blindly follow AD’s olde tyme football plan, I will be mad.
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If Hue would have implemented a “quick strike” formula similiar to NE as we have the personel to do it, we would not have lost 2 games in a row.
Hue had 2 weeks to implement a NE like gameplan against pits… The only thing I saw earlier on was 3 Wr’s in the first drive…If that was working why change… He has his first 20-30 play script that he needs to abandon if he sees something is working….
If anything we should use our speed, that includes DHB… Run some spread stuff 4 and 5 wides from the shotty, quick hits…Like pits did to us which we had no answer for…..
November 30th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Has DHB caught a pass since his 100 yard game?
Can this team avoid another double digit loss season? I can’t see it other than maybe beating denver again… 6-10? I think anything less than 7-9 will be a big disapointment.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:55 am
If AL jammed all the coaches during the bye week and it looks to be the case why dont they speak up to the media about it? Clearly things have been turned upside down.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:57 am
I thought hue could figure it out…Unless “other forces” are at work he is clueless….
November 30th, 2010 at 7:57 am
DHB is better than TO, T Brown, C Branch, and Crabtree. The problem is you dingalings just dont know what you are looking at! If you dont believe me ask priesttj.
lol
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Carl Weathers Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Has DHB caught a pass since his 100 yard game?
November 30th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 7:55 am
If AL jammed all the coaches during the bye week and it looks to be the case why dont they speak up to the media about it? Clearly things have been turned upside down.
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Yep….I remeber you saying something about marshall getting pistol whipped by Mr. Davis goons….
hahahahaha funny but could be true….
November 30th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Thanks Thec….I didn’t want to be right about him, if that makes any sense….
November 30th, 2010 at 7:59 am
I’m glad we’re going(forced to) with Campbell the rest of the way. We need to see if this guy can progress over the next 5.
And if Boller comes in at anytime due to anything other than injury,well I guess we’re on the hunt again in the offseason.
Someone mentioned Orton… I would sign him up in a heartbeat!
November 30th, 2010 at 7:59 am
I agree we need to work DHB into the gameplan on more 3 WR sets, but he needs to be able to make a catch or two here or there to keep the defense honest. He is an excellent decoy, and decent blocker. That is the way to get the most outta DHB.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Now can all of you Gradkowski Lovers get over this crush that you have on him? He will never be a starting QB in the NFL. He can’t stay healthy and if he can’t make a big play, he can’t make a play at all. I like the guys grit, but other than that he has nothing to give the raiders.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Carl Weathers Says: Here we Go!
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love that commercial
November 30th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Pres purple lips took some stitches on his koolaid stained grill playin hoops! Could have been Pelosi’s dentures that got snagged..
November 30th, 2010 at 8:01 am
seriously all these peeps want to draft a qb first? Have you seen this oline play? they should be collecting unemployment….
November 30th, 2010 at 8:02 am
On the subject of Colonoscopies…
Colonoscopies are no joke, but these comments during the exam were quite humorous….. A physician claimed that the following are actual comments made by his patients (predominately male) while he was performing their colonoscopies:
1. Take it easy Doc. You’re boldly going where no man has gone before.
2. ‘Find Amelia Earhart yet?’
3. ‘Can you hear me NOW?’
4. ‘Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?’
5. ‘You know, in Arkansas , we’re now legally married.’
6. ‘Any sign of the trapped miners, Chief?’
7. ‘You put your left hand in, you take your left hand out…’
8. ‘Hey! Now I know how a Muppet feels!’
9. ‘If your hand doesn’t fit, you must quit!’
10. ‘Hey Doc, let me know if you find my dignity.’
11. ‘You used to be an executive at Enron, didn’t you?’
12. ‘God, now I know why I am not gay.’
And the best one of all:
13. ‘Could you write a note for my wife saying that my head is not up there?’
November 30th, 2010 at 8:04 am
Orton? You guys are aiming too high….think Matt Leinart…you know, the guy Art Shell made Al Davis pass on for Michael Huff…you know it will happen, you guys have just been in denial.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:04 am
think about it for a second…We have the speed to spread any NFL team thin as we want…
We can line up and go 3, 4, and 5 wide at any time…
Pits is very susceptible and we do have the personel to pull this off….
Before the bye Hue was implementing a new set of packages every game, last 2 nothing…
You have a WR set of DHB, JLH, JFORD, LMURPHY, and motion DMAC if you want….
You will have several hot reads in this formation not only that but all the wides will be 1 on 1….
I know exactly what happens With JFORD if he is 1 on 1
with anyone….
Now I am a guy in a office sitting behind a desk not conected to the NFL…You mean to tell me Hue cant see this????
November 30th, 2010 at 8:06 am
When Cable gets a overhead projector upside his head in Jan our O-line will be improved the second he cleans his desk out. We MUST draft a legit Qb and not a fat tub of goo like JaMeatball.
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# olinesux Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:01 am
seriously all these peeps want to draft a qb first? Have you seen this oline play? they should be collecting unemployment….
November 30th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Dakota Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:04 am
Orton? You guys are aiming too high….think Matt Leinart…you know, the guy Art Shell made Al Davis pass on for Michael Huff…you know it will happen, you guys have just been in denial.
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Hahahahahaha….Snake Stabler II…..
November 30th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Thec, how can Marshall, Jackson, and Cable all be intimidated by 80yr old Al ?
November 30th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Thec, how can Marshall, Jackson, and Cable all be intimidated by 80yr old Al ?
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Brown I have no idea Bruh….MR. Davis is an OG, from the way back machine… For all I know that schit about pistol whipping could be real… I do know this something has gone wrong since the bye….
November 30th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Hue can see this clearly, it’s Al that can’t.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:11 am
There is no doubt that this team the past 2 weeks looks just like every other team from the past 7 season… WTF happened to the team that won 3 in a row? I know they weren’t beating top dogs but they were a completely differnt team. Changing plays at the line, players in motion on O & D, disguising the plays on both sides of the ball, ditching man once in a while… It can’t be Al meddling during the bye and putting his foo— walker down, could it?
November 30th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Im sorry to think this, but i think the seasons a wash now. It’s apparent the players are mailing it in now DUE TO the dysfunction between coaches and coaches, coaches and GM, and the players see it and are getting tired of it.
What they did to Campbell will cut deep, which will affect any fire being lit due to confidence and sense of being wanted. You have players backing Campbell or frustrated with all the double-talk and the dysfunction that’s hindering this team from surging forward.
Seymour is lackluster, Asomugha has spoken often about stuff, among others. It seems a lot of the team leaders, the ones whove been around the pro-traps and can see the BS when it’s there, are seeing it. While the younger guys are just happy to play without too much worry about the in-house political BS going on. When you’re a young player you’re less concerned about it. The vets and leaders will be the first to be vocal to coaching staff/GM, to get tired with having to always deal with BS stuff that comes up.
I may be very wrong, but I have a bad feeling something or many things have happened recently that has started the mailing it in process this season. From here, going like 1-4 or 0-5, another shellacking or two.
I hope im wrong, would be great if we did beat San Diego. The players/team/org wanting to salvage a good chance at division title still. Unlike so many previous years, to have been playoff contenders this long and not wanting to let the season peter out this time.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:06 am
When Cable gets a overhead projector upside his head in Jan our O-line will be improved the second he cleans his desk out.
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HAHAHAHAH…Then Mr. Davis will sue him for cause…..
November 30th, 2010 at 8:11 am
The issue isn’t who likes Gradkowski and who likes Campbell.
The issue isn’t why Cable didn’t say that Gradkowski was starting.
The issue isn’t how long Gradkowski will be out this time.
The issue IS why Gradkowski was playing when he was clearly not healthy. He could not throw the ball at all.
Campbell should have started with Boller as the back-up. Grads should have been the emergency QB because was STILL HURT and could not throw.
Has Cable addressed the question of Gradkowski’s health going INTO the game? If he insists that Gradkowski was healthy, he’s out of his mind.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:13 am
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/76098316.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E680333BD8AE375E9A1C542811F2DFCFC341A2B6B199758AA9
I just e-mailed this image to Al Davis….Al probably opened the picture and got wood for the first time since he traded Jon Gruden for 2 first round picks and a truckload of cash.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:14 am
GG Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Im sorry to think this, but i think the seasons a wash now.
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I’m afraid that I have to agree. If you read the little snippy comments that Cable had with the press. It’s the tip of dysfunction volcano. This team is rolling down the hill without a conductor.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:15 am
i agree we need a qb but through all the losing seasons the only constant thing has been a pathetic offensive line…anyone remember art shells masterful line? Norv may have gotten them to play a bit better but i am sick of gallery….
November 30th, 2010 at 8:16 am
Mornin NATION
November 30th, 2010 at 8:16 am
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Thec, how can Marshall, Jackson, and Cable all be intimidated by 80yr old Al ?
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Its the Raider Mystic…
November 30th, 2010 at 8:17 am
I hate to say this, but I wish the Raiders would trade DHB to Indy, NE, NO, or, even SD.
Why? Because you will see this guy improve by getting more chances. He won’t have to be wide oen to get a pass thrown to him. The QB will throw it to him with just a small step on DB, The qb will basically throw him open like they do there other wr’s.
DHB, Murphy, and Ford would be big threats on other teams.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Its the Raider Mystic…
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So Al is really Darth Vader incarnate? He weilds such black force?
November 30th, 2010 at 8:18 am
lol @ Raider mystique.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Q:Can you put your finger on the problems with the run game? You were so good for so many weeks then struggled the last two weeks . . .
Cable: Some of it is staying with it more. Some of it is being more consistent like we were the early part of the season. You look back, I think the first two runs yesterday were minus-two and minus-three. So, that’s a pretty good indicator we got a helmet in the wrong place or missed a cut or both. Those are the little things I’m talking about.
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Do you get the feeling that Cable is trying to explain something that he has no clue about?
November 30th, 2010 at 8:21 am
I say hgive Boller a shot.
He couldn’t be any worse than the other 2.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Here’s the teaser. If we win Sunday, we are back in the hunt for the division just like that in a weak division where 8-8 could be good enough.
So close yet so far.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Jimbo…
Cant put a finger on it, but once we started that 3-0 run, things started happening, Cable started to talk more, taking more responsibility in pressers, taking more credit, being more transparent about stuff, and then things started to go bad again when the talk about “no gradkowski is our QB” stuff.
Like there’s a tug-o-war going on among coaches/GM/and other underlings, all fighting over stuff, being more discreet, not being discreet, wanting the credit, or whatever.
Even start of the season with all the Mitchell/Brown/Figurs/Pears etc type of cuts. How Kelly mentions how Al hangs onto guys he loves too much. Coaches pushing for their way more, either among themselves or standing together against Al/underlings. So when things work for the coaches, or dont work for the coaches, there’s behind the scenes fights going on…told you so, told you so, depending who lost using their way.
I dunno, but that Cable presser is very evident Cable is feeling the heat big time in-house, is getting hammered by his antagonists (players?team-leaders?coaches?GM?) and the lockerroom is being lost thru it all going on. He got all edgy and defensive, snappy, as you pointed out, can see the furrowed brows and tail between the legs, also perhaps trying to deny responsibility himself casting it on other coaches who maybe do deserve the blame, or maybe he does, it’s hard to tell. There are so many coaches being out-coached whenever Cable refers to “we just got out-coached”. He could be talking himself, blaming Hue’s play-calling, Marshalls, Lal’s, etc.
The same thing we’ve been accustomed to last seven years going on behind the scenes seems to be going on again.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:24 am
lol @ Raider mystique.
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would have been funnier had it been spelled correctly…
November 30th, 2010 at 8:24 am
I would love to walk through the Alameda building and see whats going on in there. That place is so FK’n cryptic and toxic.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:25 am
The winner will win the Div, the loser and KC will be home for the Holidays.
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# Jimbo Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Here’s the teaser. If we win Sunday, we are back in the hunt for the division just like that in a weak division where 8-8 could be good enough.
So close yet so far.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:27 am
Its kinda crazy but our Div record gives us the edge if we win Sunday. I wont be too surprised if Cable, Jackson, and Marshall give AL the middle finger and let things rip & run this thing until week 17.
Guys, have some balls and tell AL to STFU!
November 30th, 2010 at 8:28 am
Q: With cornerbacks as nicked up as they are, how big a challenge is that going against San Diego?
Cable: We’re going to have some guys get healthy and step up, that’s the bottom line here.
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LOL!
Cable is going to snap his fingers and heal Nnamdi’s ankle, CJ’s groin, Tyvon’s shoulder and Walt’s hammy
what an idiot …
November 30th, 2010 at 8:29 am
GG,
Agree with your post 410.
Cable was hanging onto this team by a shoestring, but it’s since slipped from his grasp. Some crazy stuff going on his mind, and he can’t keep his story straight. He is getting owned by the press, and his base command does not support him. He’s in no-man’s land.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Q: Does changing QBs affect the rhythm of the passing game?
Cable: I don’t really think so.
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really? are you friggin serious?
put in Southwick!
and sign Jeff George off the street to back him up!
November 30th, 2010 at 8:32 am
Guys, have some balls and tell AL to STFU!
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Too late, Cable turned his balls in long ago.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:33 am
I commented on this one too. Im in disbelief a NFL HC would say this!
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RaiderRockstar Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Q: Does changing QBs affect the rhythm of the passing game?
Cable: I don’t really think so.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:34 am
We threw a ball over the middle to Louis, and he kind of ducked underneath it. There’s a perfect example of, if you run the route at the right depth, you don’t have to worry about the safety coming across. You’ll catch that ball in the hole and take off with it.
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Cable just threw Murph under the bus, LOL!
channeling his inner JaWalrus
November 30th, 2010 at 8:36 am
many of YOU PEOPLE say ROMAC had his best game as a pro on Sunday … when the Fins ran all over us?
anyways, Cable says he was “very inconsistent”
thoughts ???
November 30th, 2010 at 8:37 am
LOL at Cable’s throwing his own players under the bus. I’d like to hear the players rebuttal.
“Well, ya know we should of called a timeout there….but our timeout coordinator just kind of ducked underneath the yardsticks to get a hotdog, so we ended up not getting the timeout called. You don’t have to worry about that sh!t in places like New England, where they have a dedicated timeout coordinator”
November 30th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Cable could call him inconsistent after best game of the year. This guy is twisted up!
Throw the whole team and coaching staff under the bus. Why doesn’t he take some blame?
November 30th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Q: Is this offense equipped to win a game with a pass-heavy attack?
Cable: I think we can. we’ve shown that we’re capable of throwing the ball.
Q: But it seems to be affecting the locker room, guys not knowing who the QB is?
Cable: I just met with them and I didn’t get that feeling at all.
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Rob Ryan, anyone?
November 30th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Fire the Fat Monkey!!! I tried by best to be fair and like him since he is our HC, but this guy is an idiot, and he can’t win!
He couldn’t win at college level and he can’t win in the pros!
This team should be 8-3!!!!
We should have win last week, SF, and AZ!!!
Cable Sucks!!!!!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:33 am
I commented on this one too. Im in disbelief a NFL HC would say this!
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How could someone of your brilliance call cable NFL HC?
November 30th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Q: But it seems to be affecting the locker room, guys not knowing who the QB is?
Cable: I just met with them and I didn’t get that feeling at all.
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If cable is being truthful, he’s a bafoon, if lying, then he’s lost control of his team.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Raider O Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Fire the Fat Monkey!!! I tried by best to be fair and like him since he is our HC, but this guy is an idiot, and he can’t win!
He couldn’t win at college level and he can’t win in the pros!
This team should be 8-3!!!!
We should have win last week, SF, and AZ!!!
Cable Sucks!!!!!!!
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gotta hand it to you Bro…You have been saying this from day one….I agree 1000%…He needs to go today…
November 30th, 2010 at 8:43 am
My*
Should have won*
November 30th, 2010 at 8:43 am
If cable is being truthful, he’s a bafoon, if lying, then he’s lost control of his team.
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Both…He is a Lying buffoon….
November 30th, 2010 at 8:44 am
I bet you Jerry scans these Fire Cable posts, and decides to right another “pitchforks and broomsticks” article, to dismiss the semipros.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:45 am
I get this feeling everytime I read anything he has to say…
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Jimbo Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Q:Can you put your finger on the problems with the run game? You were so good for so many weeks then struggled the last two weeks . . .
Cable: Some of it is staying with it more. Some of it is being more consistent like we were the early part of the season. You look back, I think the first two runs yesterday were minus-two and minus-three. So, that’s a pretty good indicator we got a helmet in the wrong place or missed a cut or both. Those are the little things I’m talking about.
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Do you get the feeling that Cable is trying to explain something that he has no clue about?
November 30th, 2010 at 8:46 am
LMAO…my bad
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# Thec07 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:41 am
How could someone of your brilliance call cable NFL HC?
November 30th, 2010 at 8:46 am
I have a meeting to run too…
Just want to say ALL of you guys are AWESOME….
True to the NATION….
November 30th, 2010 at 8:47 am
ltr Thec. have a nice meeting bro
November 30th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Cable does constantly deflect blame around to players and coaches. He really wants to hang onto this HC gig. He may be right about a few things, like Hue’s play-calling. Or maybe Hue’s trying to open it up, but Cable or others are trying to be more conservative. Maybe Cable is just outright throwing Hue under the bus cos Hue will get his job. He’s constantly mentioning now how Hue is doing a bad job. Like the comment about “well if youre only calling 12 hand-offs in a game, there isnt much ball to share among the RBs”, and other little jabs like that he has been taking lately.
Maybe Hue and Cable arent eye to eye. Dunno. Like someone said, it’d be great to be a fly on the wall.
Also…in regards to in-house politics and fighting over credit or “told you so” stuff. I really think the whole Raiders org is really passionate about winning, so much they fight over everything, who was right, who was wrong about something.
A perfect example is this blog. How we all constantly fight so much about which players are keepers, which arent, who are better or worse, who should be starting or not, which plays we should be calling or not, etc etc. Imo, i think the coaches and staff are all exactly like this blog on a daily basis.
We all care so much, and there’s so many different opinions, beliefs, and sides being taken. Too many chiefs not enough cooks among the heirarchy of coaches. Look how many on offense we have…HC, OC, QB coach, Passing co-ordinator, etc. And that would also highlight that the QB position itself is very much the forefront of all that bickering and differing of opinion. Russell/Campbell vs Garcia/Gradkowski types. Big arm vs WCO, etc.
Dunno, just making observations.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Thec,
I tried to like him, I even stopped asking for his release, but the guy is calling out players in public (media).
He is sorry foe calling out the 2 young WRs!!!
Call out your OL you bastard!!
November 30th, 2010 at 8:51 am
The bye changed everything.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Later Thec.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:53 am
How does Cable coach up his starting QB, the one he wanted all along. The man that will lead them to the playoff this year?
What coachspeak is he going to offer that says all that talk about Gradkowski was just to motivate his real starting QB. This should be entertaining to hear.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:53 am
O, he did say that the the first two runs that lost yards we didn’t have hats in the right place. He won’t call out the o line like he would everyone else, but they are not beyond his criticism.
Cable is handcuffed.
He and Marshall are probably gone next year. They should just let it rip. Hue wants to stick around and be HC.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:53 am
Cable has 1 job here since he isn’t calling plays or coaching the OL … make sure this team is prepared and motivated
If players don’t understand the gameplan or you don’t feel comfortable enough with their execution Monday thru Saturday, start somebody else … don’t “stay the course”!
I know that players don’t lose their job to injury and many players are willing to play hurt, but if we start Nnamdi with a gimpy ankle against Phil Rivers, even guys like Legadoo & Seyi will eat him alive.
Thats what you have depth for and it’s really a coaching decision. N21 can’t force himself on the field. I say start Huff at corner opposite Routt and give Mitch & Brown more playing time at safety.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:55 am
We need a mutiny. We’d be better off if Cable was fired, and Hue was interim HC. I bet the adrenalin would soar, and we’d crush the Chargers on Sunday.
No one wants to play for a HC that breaks ranks and throws players under the bus.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:55 am
We had 2 weeks to get ready fir the steelers game.
Results were 3 ponys on offense, and allowed 35 points on Defense!!!
It took 2 weeks to prepare for that sh!t!!
Fire the Fat Monkey, Hue, Marshall, Sanjay Lal, OL coach, and LBs coach!
November 30th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Bruce has never played as bad for us as he did Sunday which leads me to wonder whether he was injured coming into the game and if so the coaches should have caught that. However I will admit being wrong that he should have been the starter as he was horrible and a positive to come out of the Miami game is that there is no longer a qb controversy. Now after the next time Campbell performs poorly I want Campbell supporters, Mistic comes to mind, to place some blame on Campbell as opposed to blaming everyone else.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:56 am
RRS, whatever we do, we have to get constant pressure on Rivers. He needs to be hitting the turf after every pass attempt, regardless of outcome.
Rivers can get 400 yards and still lose. We probably won’t have the same luck as last time, but we got off to a quick start and were fired up.
Jason Campbell has never had a bigger fan than me right now. He will be so important to our success from here on out.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Jimbo…
Yep, historically, a coaching change always sparks a win.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:56 am
RRS, agree wholeheartedly with #442.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:57 am
We’d be better off if Cable was fired, and Hue was interim HC.
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Hue Jackson is trash bro. If he’s the HC? fine.
But I want somebody else calling plays!
perhaps you’re right though. Fire Cable might give us a little spark or extra motivation if the players are willing to jump off a bridge for HJAX and despise the Cable guy.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Sorry guys i gotta go too. Grrr. Being pulled in a million directions at once. Will check in soon as possible. Take care all.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:59 am
All you guys that want Cable fired, who is your idea as a replacement? There is no one that will do the job any differnt than Cable. One puppet follows the other…
Raiders HC job description:
~Make friends with players and give Al’s favourites special treatment.
~Keep all personnel moves from media.
~Act like you are in charge.
~Replace toilet paper in Al’s private bath.
~Use a Raiders electric toothbrush.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Hats in the right place is not the same as saying the WR ducked cause he was scared to get hit from the S!!!!
Calling out Players?!?! Sorry HC, sorry OL, and he thinks he can call out players in public!!!
Murphy is right: Cable is HS!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:01 am
we have to get constant pressure on Rivers. He needs to be hitting the turf after every pass attempt, regardless of outcome.
Rivers can get 400 yards and still lose. We probably won’t have the same luck as last time, but we got off to a quick start and were fired up.
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Agreed!
We certainly have the horses to get there. ShoNasty, Seymour, Kelly, Houston, Bryant, Wimbley, Groves and the safeties can knock him around a bit … if Marshall has the smarts, guts and “clearance” to do what needs to be done on Sunday
November 30th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Exactly RR. Hue’s play calling is garbage!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:03 am
F*ck clearance! Time for Marshall and Cable to go rougue!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:03 am
The momentum shifts in our favor for making the playoffs if we win in San Diego so we shouldn’t fire our HC and put an OC who’s never been a HC new job responsibilites when our OC is largely to blame for our losses. We finally know who our QB is and have found a go-to WR. Our Oline has played well for parts of the season so they have potential it’s now up to Cable to get em going. We know our D can rush the passer better than they did in Miami. If ZMiller and Nnamdi can somehow get healthy quickly, we have a solid squad
November 30th, 2010 at 9:05 am
If Al is pulling Cable’s strings, which may or may not be true, then our biggest loss in the past 8 years was Bruce Allen. He ran interference between the coach and Al, or so that has been claimed.
Maybe what the Raiders need is simply another Bruce Allen figure.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:06 am
I’m not worried about Tolbert or Mathews. Not concerned about Gates or Jackson either.
Sproles is the X factor imo. those little screens, check downs & dump offs can turn into big gains against our slower LB’s
Rivers will pick on 1 of our corners. probably not Routt. my guess is either Ware or McFadden against SD’s 3rd WR
November 30th, 2010 at 9:07 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:03 am
F*ck clearance! Time for Marshall and Cable to go rougue!
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LOL, rogue, not rougue.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:07 am
I want J Harbaugh or J Gruden.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:09 am
I also want Bruce Allen. LOL
November 30th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Cable is better than anything we’ve had in a long time and imho he should stay one more year. Some of you people act like we were supposed to win the Super Bowl this year, come on guys we are not Cinderella. Building blocks is what it takes anyone who thinks different is an imbecile. I think some of you get too focused on who you want to play and because you are all obviously highly qualified to analyze pro football teams that you have many job offers as consultants for NFL teams to choose from. Get a grip.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Cable is let go at the end of the season. Al hires Jim Harbaugh. The Raiders trade up to #1 and draft Harbaugh’s boy Andrew Luck. Al steps down as GM. The Raiders go 13-3 and roll to a Super Bowl victory.
Guaranteed!*
*–Not really a guarantee
November 30th, 2010 at 9:10 am
RR- Sproles hasn’t been a big part of their offense this year, even with all the injuries. Actually he hasn’t even been a small part.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:10 am
if we beat SD and Dungver clobbers KC again, we’re right back in the playoff hunt.
especially since KC & SD play eachother the following week!
and I expect DMAC to rush for 150+ against Jax with Capt Kirk starting at MLB for them, right fellas?
Kool-Aid provided by AD, Inc.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:11 am
451.Carl Weathers Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:59 am
All you guys that want Cable fired, who is your idea as a replacement? There is no one that will do the job any differnt than Cable. One puppet follows the other…
Raiders HC job description:
~Make friends with players and give Al’s favourites special treatment.
~Keep all personnel moves from media.
~Act like you are in charge.
~Replace toilet paper in Al’s private bath.
~Use a Raiders electric toothbrush.
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That is a problem. However, we all know, or anyone with a brain can see, that we are going nowhere with Cable. But if you look back, Al has hired some strong willed HCs in the past, guys that could never be considered lap dogs (Shanny, Gruden, Kiffin). Yes they all ended badly, but it still opens the door to the possibility that Al will hire a strong willed decent HC…and maybe it will result in wins like Gruden.
That is how I see it anyhow. I’ll take my chances with the next guy rather than tread water with the Wife Beating Buffoon.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:11 am
LOL, rogue, not rougue.
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Imagine the fat monkey in rougue. Is my face too red, dear?
LOL
November 30th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Sproles hasn’t been a big part of their offense this year, even with all the injuries.
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CW, I hope that trend continues
November 30th, 2010 at 9:12 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:10 am
if we beat SD and Dungver clobbers KC again, we’re right back in the playoff hunt.
especially since KC & SD play eachother the following week!
and I expect DMAC to rush for 150+ against Jax with Capt Kirk starting at MLB for them, right fellas?
Kool-Aid provided by AD, Inc.
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thanks for the kool aid. Really hit the spot.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:13 am
The key to the game in my highly sought after professional opinion like everyone else here is to be physical. Get after Rivers and hit there receivers hard. Dominate and slap those beaches around, that’s the only way to beat the dolts right now.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:13 am
sorry hit their receivers is what i meant to say
November 30th, 2010 at 9:14 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:06 am
I’m not worried about Tolbert or Mathews. Not concerned about Gates or Jackson either.
Sproles is the X factor imo. those little screens, check downs & dump offs can turn into big gains against our slower LB’s
Rivers will pick on 1 of our corners. probably not Routt. my guess is either Ware or McFadden against SD’s 3rd WR
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I read some Chargers blogs after the loss earlier in the season and they were all furious with Turner for not utilizing Sproles more. I promise you he realized his mistake and will rectify it on Sunday.
I cringe when I think about what Floyd and Crayton are going to do on Sunday. Jackson is out, so that’s something at least.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:16 am
462.Hobs Gnarly Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Cable is better than anything we’ve had in a long time and imho he should stay one more year. Some of you people act like we were supposed to win the Super Bowl this year, come on guys we are not Cinderella. Building blocks is what it takes anyone who thinks different is an imbecile. I think some of you get too focused on who you want to play and because you are all obviously highly qualified to analyze pro football teams that you have many job offers as consultants for NFL teams to choose from. Get a grip.
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Your opinion is that Cable should stay another year…you also have no qualifications to make that statement, but you dog on people who don’t want him to stay? Interesting. However, those who question Cable’s ability to coach can at least point to the fact that as a HC he has a lifetime record of 25-60. What is that, like 35 games under .500?
November 30th, 2010 at 9:16 am
The Chargers ST’s were a mess earlier. They have tightened it up some since then.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:17 am
nothing was proven in the gossip that cable was/is a wife beater. you just use it because it’s useful gossip for your opinion.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:18 am
dakota,
in case you missed my remark, i ragged upon myself in stating in stating “The key to the game in my highly sought after professional opinion like everyone else here”
November 30th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Armond, Debo, Priestt,
You guys nailed it, cable is a weasel. he is just much more slick about his way of doing it. Russel didnt stand a chance, its a damn shame there was noone here that could grab that kid, and point out to him how he was being set up. perhaps that would have created some urgency. Instead he was allowed to slide and party and get high, all so cable could get his guy in. If some one had floated this in the preseason they would have been and were ripped to shreds. but in light of the last two weeks and cables ridiculous qb shenanigans, it is now evident that he has an agenda, and it is not in the best interest of the team.
Most of questioned it when he threw russell under the bus saying we would have made the playoffs with grads. But now there is a clear pattern of favoritism and it is killing our team.
When players call you a high school coach, say they have no idea whats happening at qb, say we were just going through the motions, or questioning the commitment of teammates it is a damning indictment against the coach.
Welcome to 2003 callahan 2.1!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Shanny, Gruden and Kiffin were all given their first HC opportunity by Al. He probably thought he could mold them into his “lap dog” but they were all to independant or had too muc hself respect to be told how to do their job and what players/coaches they could hire/recruit.
Aside from Kiffin had he let them grow into the job and given them the freedom to do their job, their fate, and the Raiders, could have have been much different.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:20 am
475.Hobs Gnarly Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:17 am
nothing was proven in the gossip that cable was/is a wife beater. you just use it because it’s useful gossip for your opinion.
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In case you missed it Cable admitted to being a wife beater. He admitted hitting his first wife, Sandy. Try and keep up.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:20 am
I cringe when I think about what Floyd and Crayton are going to do on Sunday. Jackson is out, so that’s something at least.
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PA,
Floyd & Crayton both missed last weeks game against Indy. Are they both back at practice today?
After VJAX left the game, Seyi & Legadoodoo played and combined for like 4 catches 50 yards I think. Floyd himself had 8 grabs & 200 yards against us the first time around this year, didn’t he?
November 30th, 2010 at 9:20 am
yeah russell was set up, lol. that is why he is still out of a job?
November 30th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Murphy called Cable a HS coach???
November 30th, 2010 at 9:23 am
i don’t know if what he admitted to was the definition of wife beating. the term applies to serial abuse and what i remember he hit her once? look, i in no way condone that but it’s just a matter correctness.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:24 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Tolzien
Dalton
Locker
Stanzi
Foles
interest anyone?
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garbage
November 30th, 2010 at 9:25 am
I think most of us can agree that this team will never fully become a SB contender until the man that built this franchise lets it go…
Cheers!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:26 am
478.Carl Weathers Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Shanny, Gruden and Kiffin were all given their first HC opportunity by Al. He probably thought he could mold them into his “lap dog” but they were all to independant or had too muc hself respect to be told how to do their job and what players/coaches they could hire/recruit.
Aside from Kiffin had he let them grow into the job and given them the freedom to do their job, their fate, and the Raiders, could have have been much different.
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True. Damn it, this is so frustrating! We are at a time in the NFL where there is so much parity, and games are often decided by which team is more prepared that week, and yet we still have an owner who underestimates the importance of the HC, underpays the HC, and undermines the HC.
You are killing me Al!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Morning peoples!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:26 am
dakota you would make a lousy consultant for an nfl team. you base everything on emotion, no thought in your process. it’s fire him cause i don’t like him. the raiders have made progress under cable there is no denial in that, they should keep him one more year to see if he is able to deliver the next step and this season is not over yet to level judgement on it.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:26 am
LMAO Jimbo.
Fat Monkey in rougue!!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:27 am
There is no good defense against P. Rivers quick release and acurate delivery. The only positives I can bring is that their receivers are either banged up or have inconsistent hands. I think blitzing Rivers isn’t an option. He’s too damn quick getting the ball out.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:28 am
got to run, the season is not over yet…..keep the faith.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:28 am
RRS,
I forgot about that; Crayton dislocated his wrist, so he’s out too.
Don’t know Floyd’s health status.
As good as Rivers is, I’ll feel a LOT better if the two primary receivers for San Diego are Naanee and Ajirotutu. (Spelling?)
The Chargers beat the Colts from points scored off turnovers. I will say we have a realistic chance to win if we come out with a smart gameplan that emphasizes ball control.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Dakota & Hobs,
to be fair … Cable punched his wife after she burned his birthday cake and he muttered something about commitment to excellence right after that
November 30th, 2010 at 9:28 am
483.Hobs Gnarly Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:23 am
i don’t know if what he admitted to was the definition of wife beating. the term applies to serial abuse and what i remember he hit her once? look, i in no way condone that but it’s just a matter correctness.
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Once a wife beater always a wife beater in my book. I have usually found that the only ones who tend to defend wife beaters are those who have done it themselves. Not saying that you are like that, but usually only those who have a guilty conscience about having done it themselves can muster up the self loathing to come to another wife beater’s defense.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:29 am
CW,
Murphy said that changing QBs is a HS move. He said WEs and QB need to develop timing, and it’s hard to do that if your QB keeps changing. He called it a HS situation.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:30 am
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 6:57 am
In Hue’s defense, the team looks a lot more vanilla then they did before. Wonder if at the bye Al forced a gameplan on the coaching staff after seeing Campbell to Ford deep a bunch of times.
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I always hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but in this case I will and say I think that’s exactly what happened. I just can’t figure out any reason for the sudden reversion to vanilla schemes.
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it is pretty simple answer actually. The team hasnt been able to run the ball, and when you are supposed to be a play action passing team it really limits the play book severely. They cant pass protect, this also limits what you can call.
Our secondary has been banged up, when you cant get your defense off the field, you have to play more conservatively, although your own offense may not be scoring at least your trying to keep your defense fresh. it has failed.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Hobs, the team has improved because they finally have talent at most positions on the field.
Cable is a moron. Having said that, I don’t see the point in taking him out for another one. Uless of course the double digit losses kepp piling up, then front office(muhahahaha) has no choice but to fire him.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:32 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Dakota & Hobs,
to be fair … Cable punched his wife after she burned his birthday cake and he muttered something about commitment to excellence right after that
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Awwwwww, thanks for that!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Lets stop attacking each other. Go ahead and bash Cable the wifebeater though.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Keep Cable one more year?!? WTF are you smoking? I want some.
This guy can’t call plays, can’t fix the OL (he is am OL Guru), can’t call Defense, and he has a losing record as a HC!!!!
Yeah!!! Let’s give him one more year!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Don’t know Floyd’s health status
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PA, my mistake. just checked on it
Floyd played against Indy Sunday Night, but he saw limited action because he’s still recovering from a hamstring injury and he was held without a catch
November 30th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Raider O Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:29 am
CW,
Murphy said that changing QBs is a HS move. He said WEs and QB need to develop timing, and it’s hard to do that if your QB keeps changing. He called it a HS situation.
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Interesting. I keep hearing about this Murphy-Cable war going on. Is there a transcript link to that Murphy comment?
November 30th, 2010 at 9:35 am
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 7:00 am
I had that same thought, Jimbo.
The team HAS to win Al’s way, else he won’t get all the credit for the franchise’s resurgence and he can’t stand that thought. Nevermind the fact that the franchise will never come back playing 70’s football…you’ll never convince Davis.
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This is what we have been reduced to? “Davis is making the game plan”.
Davis has given cable and hue no resistince, even allowing them to bench the only qb that has produced for us in the last 6-7 years, that davis himself hand picked.
Any body who has followed the raiders especially since they have come home should know that is not the Davis style.
he is now a guy that chooses someone he thinks is right, then lets them sink or swim. You can do it your way, but it better work.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Where is Preppie aka BSJ?!
C’mon man! You talked all that crap about The Great OSU, and after we beat you again since 2003 you don’t post!!
WEAK!!!!!
Go Bucks!!!!!!! Another Mich Preppie out of the way!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Floyd vs Nnamdi? neither guy is full speed
sad thing is, if N21 cant go … a gimpy MF (thats his initials, LOL) could probably still abuse McFadden or Ware in coverage
November 30th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Raider O Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:29 am
CW,
Murphy said that changing QBs is a HS move. He said WEs and QB need to develop timing, and it’s hard to do that if your QB keeps changing. He called it a HS situation.
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Wow! Will this weekend be a complete meltdown or competitive game where we squeak out a win. The players might just pack it in because they feel Cable is a weasel. I feel for Campbell lst week having to answer questions about being hooked if he doesn’t play well and he already knew he had been hooked!! What a friggin side show this franchise has become.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:36 am
If you were hiring and let’s say it was a salesman. And you asked what the person’s sales records were, and they were consistently under the average and not getting better over a multi-year career. Would you hire that person?
Cable has shown he’s a career loser. Always and forever. Time to grab someone, anyone who at least has a career 0-0 mark to stand by.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:36 am
If Nnamdi and CJ can’t go this weekend, who will be extra toasted, Weezy McFadden or Ware?
I say we move Huff to the nickel and Stevie up top. Either way it doesn’t look to good, unless their WR’s are still banged up.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Jimbo,
I think Jerry posted it in a prev thread.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Has the team really improved? Two straight blowout losses, one to an average team…seems like we can only manage to compete with the scrubs this season and the simple fact that we got to play the NFC west and 6 games against weak AFC West opponents has made things look a little better. Oh, and the offense has improved under Hue Jackson, but why does Cable get credit for those things?
I still see a team that lacks discipline, consistency and doesn’t look prepared every week. Those are the things the HC is held responsible for and Cable falls miserably short in all of those areas. So we might win 7 games instead of 5 or 6….thank that weak schedule more than Tom Cable. Imagine if we had a legit NFL HC and that same schedule…we’d be 7-4 right now.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Banged up WRs vs our banged up DBs. Should be an interesting game.
Damn I almost forgot: They have Rivers we have Campbell.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:41 am
If Nnamdi and CJ can’t go this weekend, who will be extra toasted, Weezy McFadden or Ware?
I say we move Huff to the nickel and Stevie up top. Either way it doesn’t look to good, unless their WR’s are still banged up.
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DMAC,
Jackson & Crayton are OUT. Floyd is playing with a hamstring injury (no catches against Indy)
so our CB’s will be up against Seyi Ajirotutu, Legedu Naanee & Kelley Washington. But they could always split Sproles or Gates out wide
November 30th, 2010 at 9:41 am
# Jimbo Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 7:40 am
We need to force feed Murphy if Ford can draw the coverage to his side. Else, exploit Ford. No Zach Miller, so we need to open up the offense and go vertical more, “cut loose”.
I want to see my 2010 Raiders in the their last hurrah, last at bat…
I want to see them go down swinging. None of this short stuff, ball position crapola. We need to take it to them. If we do that and fail, I can live with it. I can look towards next year and not feel so bitter.
But if we blindly follow AD’s olde tyme football plan, I will be mad.
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i cant follow this post, its confusing. you on one hand say the “davis style” football doesnt work and is ruining our coaches, team, and chance to win. Then in the next sentence you say you want them to go vertical??
Raider football is famous for the vertical passing game.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:41 am
CW,
Damn meltdown I fear bro.
-2nd year WR frustrated with the QB situation and the way the HC is dealing with it.
-HC gets angry and calls out that WR and another.
MELTDOWN!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Rivers is licking his chopped right now. If we play like we Did this past Sunday, Rivers will break the record for passing yards in a game. 554 yards. How in the hell did we allow Henne to throw for 307rds without Marshall???? WOW!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:43 am
There’s an awful lot of gloom and doom on here because of the last two weeks and the Chargers being hot but this team is just one well played game away from being right in the middle of the playoff race. This is maybe the most critical game in years. Win and the way is open to win the division.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:43 am
Wide receiver Louis Murphy has tried to remain as diplomatic as possible, but conceded the Raiders’ quarterback situation with Bruce Gradkowski and Jason Campbell has made things difficult in terms of continuity.
“Going back and forth, this isn’t high school,’’ Murphy said on CSN Bay Area Sunday. “It’s the pros and you gotta have timing with your quartrerback and spend time with that quarterback. But whatever coaches call that’s what we gotta go with and make it work.
-Jerry Mac (yesterday)
November 30th, 2010 at 9:43 am
I think Ware plays better than McFadden anyways. Sure he gave up the TD in Pitts, but he hasn’t gotten torched like McFadden. At least not yet. Roll the dice w/ Ware. He deserves a shot this weekend.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:45 am
They are going to need to pound the rock hard with the big back Bush first then DMC.
Both backs need to be on the field at the same time vs Chargers and they utilize Reece in the passing game!
They will need to do alot of play action.
Raiders need to control the possesion of the football and sustain drives to keep Cry Me a Rivers OFF the football field….maybe even use some trick plays to catch the Dolts off guard.
They need to get ready to play physical football for the whole damn game! They need to load up the offensive line with a heavy set of O-Linemen in power packages and stay low, play with leverage and be physical and beat the Dolts D-Line off the ball!
This game is a MUST WIN!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:46 am
516.garcia Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:43 am
There’s an awful lot of gloom and doom on here because of the last two weeks and the Chargers being hot but this team is just one well played game away from being right in the middle of the playoff race. This is maybe the most critical game in years. Win and the way is open to win the division.
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You could have said the same about last weeks game and we came out and laid an egg…at home…against an average team…now we go on the road against a team that has owned us for half a decade who beat themselves the last time we played them. Plenty of reason for doom and gloom. Last week was the must win game…it would have kept us in the hunt. now I think we are finished. 7 wins max.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:46 am
I thought Cable was doing OK (except AZ & SF), but losing after having 2 weeks to prepare, not being able to do anything against Miami, and then calling out players in public proved to me that he should be replaced.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Raider O, I’m afraid that’s how it’s gonna go down as well.
MELTDOWN!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:48 am
I am no head coach, but for the last two weeks, we have started our running game off by running it ouside the tackle. Why not pound the rock down the other teams throat, then break it outside?
November 30th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Thx RR.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:49 am
If we are getting our azzes kicked, all I want for Christmas, is to have Seymour punch Rivers in his fk’n neck and drop his puzzy azz. That would really be priceless!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:49 am
# Thec07 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:04 am
think about it for a second…We have the speed to spread any NFL team thin as we want…
We can line up and go 3, 4, and 5 wide at any time…
Pits is very susceptible and we do have the personel to pull this off….
Before the bye Hue was implementing a new set of packages every game, last 2 nothing…
You have a WR set of DHB, JLH, JFORD, LMURPHY, and motion DMAC if you want….
You will have several hot reads in this formation not only that but all the wides will be 1 on 1….
I know exactly what happens With JFORD if he is 1 on 1
with anyone….
Now I am a guy in a office sitting behind a desk not conected to the NFL…You mean to tell me Hue cant see this????
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two problems, the o-line and receivers outside of ford have stunk up the joint.
With dhb out this really impacted the depth at wr. Without getting into weather or not dhb is a good player or not, depth was the issue. As it stands now DHb may be the second best wr on this team, and he is clearly in the dog house.
Hard to trust our o-line to spread out pitt, and cut off or beat their blitz scheme. we couldnt even execute 3 step drops. we weren’t even able to execute with extra blockers n max protect.
Miami didnt present that kind of match up, dhb was healthy enough to play. but he didnt and campbell didnt.
The miami game is inexcusable, clueless seems to fit for this game in particular.
Vs. miami
November 30th, 2010 at 9:50 am
we beat SD last time when:
1. Floyd & Gates were healthy
2. Gradkowski played the 1st half. JCamp played the 2nd
3. DMAC was out and Mike Bush rushed for over 100 yards
4. we used that awful zone scheme and got abused through the air – the same one that made Alex Smith look like Joe Montana against us
November 30th, 2010 at 9:51 am
DMAC Says:
If we are getting our azzes kicked, all I want for Christmas, is to have Seymour punch Rivers in his fk’n neck and drop his puzzy azz. That would really be priceless!
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I agree. I hate River’s more than any other player in the NFL. Can’t wait until he gets blasted and put on his ars.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:52 am
Inonewordraider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Bruce has never played as bad for us as he did Sunday which leads me to wonder whether he was injured coming into the game and if so the coaches should have caught that. However I will admit being wrong that he should have been the starter as he was horrible and a positive to come out of the Miami game is that there is no longer a qb controversy. Now after the next time Campbell performs poorly I want Campbell supporters, Mistic comes to mind, to place some blame on Campbell as opposed to blaming everyone else.
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Oh yeah? Like you explaining away Scabkowski’s piss-poor play with an INJURY??? He pronounced himself fit after his his brutal showing against Pittsburgh. He wasn’t injured! He flat out sucks! Stop with the excuses already!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:52 am
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:41 am
# Jimbo Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 7:40 am
We need to force feed Murphy if Ford can draw the coverage to his side. Else, exploit Ford. No Zach Miller, so we need to open up the offense and go vertical more, “cut loose”.
I want to see my 2010 Raiders in the their last hurrah, last at bat…
I want to see them go down swinging. None of this short stuff, ball position crapola. We need to take it to them. If we do that and fail, I can live with it. I can look towards next year and not feel so bitter.
But if we blindly follow AD’s olde tyme football plan, I will be mad.
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i cant follow this post, its confusing. you on one hand say the “davis style” football doesnt work and is ruining our coaches, team, and chance to win. Then in the next sentence you say you want them to go vertical??
Raider football is famous for the vertical passing game.
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I can see your point. It does sound like Al Davis football. But without Miller, I don’t think we have much of a choice but to go downfield. If the D is stacking the box, we have to make them respect the over the top stuff. Once we have the D offbalance, then stray from the old Al Davis scheme and mix it up and keep them guessing.
I’d like to see some more plays with targets beyond the yardsticks, I guess is what I am getting at.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:52 am
since Cable is having a little squabble with Murph right now, he may be a healthy scratch this week and Raider Nation’s favorite punching bag DHB will start opposite JFORD or Higgins on Sunday …
November 30th, 2010 at 9:52 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:50 am
we beat SD last time when:
1. Floyd & Gates were healthy
2. Gradkowski played the 1st half. JCamp played the 2nd
3. DMAC was out and Mike Bush rushed for over 100 yards
4. we used that awful zone scheme and got abused through the air – the same one that made Alex Smith look like Joe Montana against us
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Very true, RR
November 30th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Silver and Black Lining:
Hey it is December and the Raiders are on the list of teams that could make the Playoffs!
Darren McFadden put up better numbers than Chris Johnson.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Q:What was Michael Bush’s status? No carries …
Cable: I don’t understand what you’re asking.
Q: Why wasn’t he carrying the ball?
Moron!!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Rock won’t miss his block punt this week. Special teams will win this game for us again.
WATCH!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:54 am
I guess you could look at it that way Rockstar…I hope all of those things add up to our defense suddenly being able to stop Rivers, and somehow generating points without relying on punt blocks!
You never know! That is why I keep watching! You just never know….
November 30th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Those of you who hate Rivers just hating on someone who is great. I dont hate on greatness. Rivers is a stud, and there is no stopping him. We have to stop his weapons. Without him, SD is a last place team in the West Conf.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:55 am
FK Rivers!
Nuff said!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Cable likes some players for their attitude/ energy, but the problem is that he starts those players even if we had better talent.
It was clear last year he liked Fargas more than Bush.
It’s clear this year he likes Bruce more than JC. He still doesn’t like Bush, and I think he mat not like B Campbell since that freak can’t get on the field.
That’s HS!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Rock won’t miss his block punt this week. Special teams will win this game for us again.
WATCH!
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the last game against SD was the only time Hiram Eugene has been useful all season!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Being a Rivers fan and a Oakland Raider fan? (Jimbo)
Now that’s HS!
November 30th, 2010 at 9:58 am
I know this, I’d love to have Rivers as our starting QB. But we dont have that luxury and we got to try and slow him down.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Chargers coach Norv Turner said that Malcom Floyd did not suffer a setback in Week 12 and that his reps were simply limited just to be cautious.
Floyd went without a catch against the Colts and was targeted just once. Despite not suffering a setback, it’s pretty clear he’s not yet at 100 percent. Keep him on your bench until he proves he’s healthy.
Source: San Diego Union-Tribune
November 30th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Jimbo Says:
Those of you who hate Rivers just hating on someone who is great. I dont hate on greatness. Rivers is a stud, and there is no stopping him. We have to stop his weapons. Without him, SD is a last place team in the West Conf.
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My hate for Rivers has nothing at all to do with him as a QB. Yes he is very good, sorry not great yet, but very good. I just can’t stand his pompus attitude. He’s a jerk.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:59 am
I hare Rivers aka The Mouth From The South, but dude can play. I aksu think he is better than T Brady, but Brady has a better arm. I think TB is a system QB. I hope he plays for another team, so I can’t test my theory. I don’t think that will happen.
November 30th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Chargers coach Norv Turner said Ryan Mathews (ankle) has “a chance” to play in Week 13.
Mathews didn’t practice at all last week, so he’d have to show significant progress in order to be ready for the Raiders. Mike Tolbert has proven to be the more effective runner, and it’s likely he’d hang on to the starting role even after Mathews comes back.
Source: San Diego Union-Tribune
November 30th, 2010 at 10:00 am
# Jimbo Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:55 am
No one wants to play for a HC that breaks ranks and throws players under the bus.
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Jimbo,
This is right on the money. he might as well have called them “the dumbest team in america”
cable has lost the locker room.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:01 am
They need to BLITZ the crap out of Rivers from ALL angles and not play PANSY WUSS defensive football!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Jimbo Says:
I know this, I’d love to have Rivers as our starting QB. But we dont have that luxury and we got to try and slow him down.
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Can’t argue here, but I still would not like his attitude
November 30th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Hate*
November 30th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Oh yeah? Like you explaining away Scabkowski’s piss-poor play with an INJURY??? He pronounced himself fit after his his brutal showing against Pittsburgh. He wasn’t injured! He flat out sucks! Stop with the excuses already!
I just said he was horrible and theres no qb controversy even if Bruce comes back healthy. I was wrong and I with the coaches had known better than me. I hope it doesn’t happen but if/when Campbell has a bad outing, “Campbell guys” should be man enough to place some blame on him
November 30th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Fire Cable, Hire Jeff Fisher (if he gets canned in Tennesee, since Vinny is the Owners Boy) and bring in either Carson Palmer, or another good veteran QB, drop Gradkowski, give Boller a Shot this year, and draft nothing but offensive linemen…
November 30th, 2010 at 10:02 am
If the Raiders can’t manage to bring CB Jonathan Joseph aboard, it seems like Panthers CB Chris Gamble might be an option in the offseason as well.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:02 am
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:24 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Tolzien
Dalton
Locker
Stanzi
Foles
interest anyone?
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garbage
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LOL, OK I forgot you’re the QB expert. Al’s gonna go get a spread option QB right? LOL.
Those are mid round prospects who manage games well and are accurate.
If the Raiders DON’T get a QB in the draft, then it’s panic time, as we’ll be stuck with Deer in The Headlights.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Good Chat. Keep it up.
Later Gents.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:05 am
# inonewordraider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:56 am
BNow after the next time Campbell performs poorly I want Campbell supporters, Mistic comes to mind, to place some blame on Campbell as opposed to blaming everyone else.
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Stop this crap. i have never absolved campbell of poor play.
I have only said that campbell is the best qb on this roster. now that i have been proven right, you are just throwing things against the wall hoping something sticks. Even my biggest detractors will admit that when campbell played poorly i was here saying as much.
You were wrong about the qbs’ dont make it worse by making up nonsense. you sound like tom cable.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Oh yeah? Like you explaining away Scabkowski’s piss-poor play with an INJURY??? He pronounced himself fit after his his brutal showing against Pittsburgh. He wasn’t injured! He flat out sucks! Stop with the excuses already!
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And yet every excuse in the world for Russell, Debo?
Are you the guy’s agent? If so, congratulations.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:11 am
# Hobs Gnarly Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Cable is better than anything we’ve had in a long time and imho he should stay one more year. Some of you people act like we were supposed to win the Super Bowl this year, come on guys we are not Cinderella. Building blocks is what it takes anyone who thinks different is an imbecile. I think some of you get too focused on who you want to play and because you are all obviously highly qualified to analyze pro football teams that you have many job offers as consultants for NFL teams to choose from. Get a grip.
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The problem with this building theory is that you need a coach the players trust. cable has undermined any trust he gained last year. The revolving door at qb is the main eysore and mark against him. I dont think the players after the first half though they had a chance to win because of cables meddling. the change was unexplained to the players. They have won with campbell, he was benched in pitt after a poor start. Im sure the players wondered why cable switched. to grads in that game, and why he switched for miami, and why grads wasnt given the short leash campbell has.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Honestly, Gradkowski being hurt is the best thing for this team. It will force Cable to get over his man-crush and put Campbell in there. Campbell is the better QB, we all know it. Campbell has played in every single game we won this year, he was the starter in all of them. I know the fans love Gradkowski but he hasn’t won for us this year, and last I checked, this is all about winning. This injury may keep Cable his job.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Why do we still argue about our QB situation?
They both su_ck, and both are not the future of our franchise.
We need QB!
Nuff said!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:21 am
LA To TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Oh yeah? Like you explaining away Scabkowski’s piss-poor play with an INJURY??? He pronounced himself fit after his his brutal showing against Pittsburgh. He wasn’t injured! He flat out sucks! Stop with the excuses already!
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And yet every excuse in the world for Russell, Debo?
Are you the guy’s agent? If so, congratulations.
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Whatever. Quit crying because Rudy sucks. And I’ll make excuses all day for our #1 pick that was paid $40 million. A scrap-heap guy like Scabs gets absolutely no slack. Get his ass out of town tonight!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:22 am
I’d actually be willing to give Campbell another season. Remember, our WRs suck ass (with the exception of Ford). Tom Brady would struggle with this offense. Nobody gets open.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Why do we still argue about our QB situation?
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Exactly. Grads is probably done for the year and he’ll be an unrestricted free agent this offseason. I don’t see any reason to sign him to a fresh new contract due to the injuries, turnovers and lack of wins
JCamp is under contract next year and probably will start this Sunday against the Chargers – a team he played very well against earlier this season. If the argument is to have Campbell benched … you’d better have some solid evidence that Kyle Boller is an upgrade and we haven’t seen him play since the preseason!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Cable’s contract is up after this season. I see now need at this time to give him a new one.
Jeff Fisher has to be the choice!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Fish is a great coach and isn’t going anywhere.
Print that!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:26 am
I’d actually be willing to give Campbell another season.
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1968, me too. It’s amazing sometimes what a play caller and O-Line can do for a QB!
right now JCamp has neither and as you’ve mentioned, the WR drops & bad routes are unacceptable
November 30th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Man, does Campbell look like the dude from Eddie Murphy’s film Coming To America or what? Just need some Soul Glow! …Eriq La Salle…
November 30th, 2010 at 10:27 am
The big question here is what happens down the strecth? my guess is we may sweep the donkeys, they appear to be booking their fishing trip already. out side of that we will be in dog fights.
Even if Campbell pulls out the upset in san diego, or any of the other games on our scehdule, i suspect cable is done. Cable and campbell dont mix. Even though campbell has been a complete class act and hasnt uttered a word after this ridiculous treatment and clear favoritism, im sure it burns him up. What worse for cable is that you pulled davis’s pick without a justifiable cause, and lost badly. Didnt even have a chance to compete because fo his meddling.
The team is now openly questioning cables motivation for the move.
The raiders look foolish again, after all of the work the last to seasons that have at least temporarily made us appear to know waht we are doing. We are now back to dysfunction mistrust and laughing stock status.
These two facts are not lost on davis. you may fool him and get in, but you wont stay long.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:29 am
if the Titans dump Jeff Fisher to keep & please Vince Young, Bud Adams will be tarred & feathered by that entire fanbase and locker room!
I’m guessing most of the asst coaches would be opting to leave as well …
November 30th, 2010 at 10:29 am
# Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Man, does Campbell look like the dude from Eddie Murphy’s film Coming To America or what? Just need some Soul Glow! …Eriq La Salle…
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Hey Macho,
How bout’ you settle this little beef w/ Cable in a cage match. The winner faces The Ultimate Warrior for the title.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:29 am
JC will get another season no matter what. It’ll be a good thing for him to have two seasons with the same coordinator, and moreover, it’ll be good if the Raiders bring in a rookie. That way the kid can sit and learn the game for a little while, and when Jason’s play falters there’s a much more viable option behind him.
Wouldn’t mind bringing in another vet as a third-string QB, too. If the coaching staff doesn’t have enough faith to go to Boller in this situation, then why is he still here?
November 30th, 2010 at 10:31 am
# J Hill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Cable’s contract is up after this season. I see now need at this time to give him a new one.
Jeff Fisher has to be the choice!
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Not a big fisher fan at all. he is the new marty ball. he wins alot just not the big games.
He didnt work with bud adams, i cant see him fitting with davis.
he has been terrible with the way he has handled his qb issue. As a matter of fact he is embroiled in controversy now for yanking vy and benching him without warning.
No thanks.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Rob Ryan would be my second choice for HC.
Marvin Lewis as DC
Josh McDaniels as OC
November 30th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Fisher is as good a coach as you’ll find, which means the Raiders have no shot at him.
Good coaches go to places where they can pick their staff and the roster, and implement their own schemes.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:33 am
I´d put the Smackdown on Cable and then pile drive Herrra just for the fun of it! ooooooooooooo yeahhhhhhhhh!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:34 am
What makes anyone think that any of these coaches will want to go to a situation where they have no real power?
November 30th, 2010 at 10:34 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Fisher is as good a coach as you’ll find, which means the Raiders have no shot at him.
Good coaches go to places where they can pick their staff and the roster, and implement their own schemes.
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Are madden flores and gruden good coaches?
November 30th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Davis should stick to his method, find a young assistant that is ready and talented, eager to make a name for himself as the head man.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Madden and Flores were in-house guys who were promoted to the job. Gruden was a good coordinator who got the job, then got shipped out when he wanted actual control of football-related issues.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:36 am
So we’ve got a shot at Cowher and Gruden? is that what you’re saying?
November 30th, 2010 at 10:37 am
And why is a new defensive coordinator going to make a difference? If Rob Ryan comes back, is Al going to let him do what he wants? Or is it going to be like the first time? What makes anyone think that the DC is going to use anything but slight variations of Al Davis’ scheme?
November 30th, 2010 at 10:38 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Fisher is as good a coach as you’ll find, which means the Raiders have no shot at him.
Good coaches go to places where they can pick their staff and the roster, and implement their own schemes.
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I 2nd that!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Even though campbell has been a complete class act and hasnt uttered a word after this ridiculous treatment and clear favoritism
I wouldn’t say favortism, I along with many wrongfully thought Bruce was the better candidate. If the players aren’t motivated by Cable then he should go but we must keep in mind that there aren’t many coaches that want to have Al Davis as their boss so we should wait until the end of the season to see if they’ve tuned Cable out. Brady wasn’t the starting qb until Bledsoe went down, nobody wanted Gannon as their starter, Troy Smith is barely getting his shot, it happens.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Rob Friggin Ryan was a Prevent Defense machine! loved how he gave up the few games in which we were competitive. Then he came up with the “I’m a Ryan, I’ma Ryan!” speech. I gues I miss his cuss filled sailor speeches more than his coaching.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:40 am
It’s still a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
C’mon people — the season is far from over. All (well, most) of this negativity stops for at least a week, with something as “simple” as win in SD.
The line is razor-thin between being classified a good team or a bad team in this League. One week you can look like world beaters, and the next week you can’t seem to do anything right. Even in blowouts, one or two key plays can be the difference (and this game had bad plays all over the place, all game long).
Beat-up Rivers this week, and we will beat the Chargers again. “Phil, I’d like to re-introduce you to Richard Seymour and his new best pals…again and again and again.”
Rivers must go down, and he must go down hard.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:41 am
566.RaiderRockstar Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:26 am
I’d actually be willing to give Campbell another season.
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1968, me too. It’s amazing sometimes what a play caller and O-Line can do for a QB!
right now JCamp has neither and as you’ve mentioned, the WR drops & bad routes are unacceptable
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Whoaa RR take it easy bro. Yes top need is O-line, but this Campbell dude is no good. Al says he is Plunk, but we MUST have a QB better than Plunk to win the games that matter. We need an Elite QB, not a journyman maybe starter.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:41 am
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Whatever. Quit crying because Rudy sucks. And I’ll make excuses all day for our #1 pick that was paid $40 million. A scrap-heap guy like Scabs gets absolutely no slack. Get his ass out of town tonight!
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Shouldn’t the 40 million dollar #1 overall draft pick be NFL-ready right out the gate? Or did his hold out prevent him from getting a good start?
Well, surely the next season he’d be great. And the season after, even better right?
I mean he was the #1 overall pick. Shouldn’t he make the people around him better.
This has nothing to do with “Rudy,” it could be anybody and I’d still clown on that loser JaMarshmallow Truffle and losers that support him.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:42 am
C’mon kids! We all know Al hires offensive guys as head coach. We also know we have no shot at a Cowher, Gruden, Fisher, etc. Madden, Gruden and Flores were nobodies before they got the HC duties. Al does not pay coaches well, and while he allows them to bring some of their own people in, he will counter with his own guys as well as his moles (see Randy whats-his-face that Cable knocked out). If Cable gets us to 8-8 I think Al keeps him around under the condition that Campbell starts next year.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:43 am
578.mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Davis should stick to his method, find a young assistant that is ready and talented, eager to make a name for himself as the head man.
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So like Steve Sarkisian?
November 30th, 2010 at 10:44 am
how are we gonna finish 8-8? have you looked at the schedule? its 5-11 all the way!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:45 am
# mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:27 am
The big question here is what happens down the strecth? my guess is we may sweep the donkeys, they appear to be booking their fishing trip already. out side of that we will be in dog fights.
Even if Campbell pulls out the upset in san diego, or any of the other games on our scehdule, i suspect cable is done. Cable and campbell dont mix. Even though campbell has been a complete class act and hasnt uttered a word after this ridiculous treatment and clear favoritism, im sure it burns him up. What worse for cable is that you pulled davis’s pick without a justifiable cause, and lost badly. Didnt even have a chance to compete because fo his meddling.
The team is now openly questioning cables motivation for the move.
The raiders look foolish again, after all of the work the last to seasons that have at least temporarily made us appear to know waht we are doing. We are now back to dysfunction mistrust and laughing stock status.
These two facts are not lost on davis. you may fool him and get in, but you wont stay long.
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Misty the only one that looks foolish is you with this down low love affair you have going with JC.
After your morning sweat session does he pat your head?
You are pathetic.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:45 am
I hope Davis doesn’t stick to his method. His method has consistently built loosing teams. I wish someone gave old Al a new method for christmas.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:45 am
There are only two qbs worht sniffingin in the round two of the draft. Luck ( who wont be on the board) and newton. the rest of the guys are not going to be big time qbs’ at all. Even though the fact that there is a huge need at qb in the nfl, over inflates the value of the players on the board. Most of the guys listed and behind luck and above newton are washouts waiting to happen in my opinion. besides only luck and newton fit the davis mold.
The free agent list and available qb list ( via trade) is also extremely thin. only young is worth a look. He has won in this league. he is a specimen like davis loves. he is in the position of cast off. he is former number one, davis also loves this.
he is clearly the most talent qb available for 2011.
The way i see it these are the only guys even worth a look at all.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Stop this crap. i have never absolved campbell of poor play.
I have only said that campbell is the best qb on this roster. now that i have been proven right, you are just throwing things against the wall hoping something sticks. Even my biggest detractors will admit that when campbell played poorly i was here saying as much.
You were wrong about the qbs’ dont make it worse by making up nonsense. you sound like tom cable.
you were right about Cable so now you feel absolved from all wrong but I recall you blaming Oline for Campbell not having enough time and receivers for not making plays to deflect blame from your guy. The oline has been up and down and the receivers except for Miller early in the season and Ford lately have been way below average but qb strength hasn’t been our strength. All of these areas need to improve in order to reach the playoffs
November 30th, 2010 at 10:47 am
We’ve already beaten SD, Den and KC (with Campbell at QB). We can beat them again, but the team has to step up and fight like it did against KC. If they quit like they did the last 2 games then you’re right Macho Man. But I think they can pull it off.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:47 am
right about Campbell
November 30th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Sorry, Mistic. Al likes pocket passers.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Vince Young? c´mon man! lol!
Dude is like Jamarcus, never read a playbook, no need.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:48 am
As Al Davis said:
WE
WILL
WIN
He needed to add:
EVENTUALLY, MAYBE WHEN I AM GONE? MAYBE? YEAH, PROBABLY!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Winning these next games is not about QB or scheme or playcalling.
This is not an Xs and Os team and Hue is either inept or handcuffed.
Only shot we have is to beat up the opponent at the line of scrimmage.
The End.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:50 am
# Drexl Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Misty the only one that looks foolish is you with this down low love affair you have going with JC.
After your morning sweat session does he pat your head?
You are pathetic.
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Drex,
Just because you are into men, doesnt mean everyone else is.
Ill ask you like i always do.
Do you have an actual football take?
Everyone else here today agree or disagree is adding value to this board, you on the other hand are embarrassing yourself as usual.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:51 am
how the hell did we beat SD & Denver? blocked punts, & lotsa turnovers. hope we get some this weekend. the other alternative is that suddenly SD turns into Seattle and we beat the crap out of the JV offensive line.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Here’s my line of thought as far as the HC situation goes…
Anything short of 8-8 should not save Cable’s job.
Hue Jackson is really the only logical choice for HC. The young kids on the team love Hue. He seems to be a solid motivator. Let the team have some semblance of continuity, which has been so sorely missed by this team over the years. If Hue needs to bring in an OC to help him run this offense, then so be it. But honestly, throwing a bunch of young offensive players into a new coaching regime isn’t going to do any good unless it’s going to come with a coach who can implement any changes he sees fit – which as we know, won’t happen.
Is a new DC going to do anything different than what Marshall is doing? No. Let Marshall continue to work with a young defensive unit. He seems to have more control to vary the defensive looks than coaches have in years past. Slightly more blitzing and a few zone looks here and there to spell the traditional Al Davis 100% man-on-man Cover 0 scheme. With Mike Waufle as the defensive line coach, this team has showed they’re capable of being dominant, even if they haven’t proved they can be consistent.
The most important assistant coaching upgrades need to be for the WRs and the DBs.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Hell of game plan! You have a game plan that fits Campbell’s strength but you have him on the bench. We went deep at least 5 times against the dolphins. With our best deep passer on the bench. If your gonna start Bruce at least keep it short. This guy “Cable” is as sharp as butter knife.
The players seemed unmotivated and confussed by Cable’s quaterback decision to say the least. Campbell gives us the best chance to win he’s a better decision maker and has at least been to the playoffs before. And if your gonna throw deep start Campbell the numbers say so.
At this point I think its time to cut the electricity from the Cable. Jackson anyone ? Before he gets taken away this offseason.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Deer in the Headlights vs. Rudy (thanks debo, lol) is a wash.
Maybe both are better than what we’ve seen thus far, maybe not.
we need a QB next year. That’s next year. Forget Newton (LOL) and Luck. They’ll both be gone.
We look for pocket passers and there’s no reason we can’t find a bright young QB in later rounds.
As for the rest of this year? It’s about getting pressure on D and manhandling the opponent at the LOS on both sides.
WRs need to make catches and all Jason has to do is game manage.
No running game = no wins. This is not a passing team.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:54 am
I’ll take Hue. Im pretty tired of Cable’s Hillbilly show.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Why hasn’t Sanjay Lal been canned?!?!?!
November 30th, 2010 at 10:56 am
# inonewordraider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Stop this crap. i have never absolved campbell of poor play.
I have only said that campbell is the best qb on this roster. now that i have been proven right, you are just throwing things against the wall hoping something sticks. Even my biggest detractors will admit that when campbell played poorly i was here saying as much.
You were wrong about the qbs’ dont make it worse by making up nonsense. you sound like tom cable.
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you were right about Cable so now you feel absolved from all wrong but I recall you blaming Oline for Campbell not having enough time and receivers for not making plays to deflect blame from your guy. The oline has been up and down and the receivers except for Miller early in the season and Ford lately have been way below average but qb strength hasn’t been our strength. All of these areas need to improve in order to reach the playoffs
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Wrong again. I said that the o-line and wr were the biggest issues on the field. I said that you cant blame grads or campbell, and that they have been greatly hindered by the failures of the o-line and wr core. i said we couldnt be a playoff team because of these issues. go back and read or just ask if you dont know.
because right now if your foot was any further in your own mouth you would be stepping on your colon.
Comical.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Campbell gives us the best chance to win he’s a better decision maker and has at least been to the playoffs before. And if your gonna throw deep start Campbell the numbers say so.
At this point I think its time to cut the electricity from the Cable. Jackson anyone ? Before he gets taken away this offseason.
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Um, what?
Campbell’s never been to the playoffs as a starter. His team was heading down the toilet until Todd Collins strung together some wins down the stretch.
Also, Campbell’s yards per completion does not suggest he can complete deep, just throw deep.
Hue Jackson has been the biggest letdown of the year, at least over the last 2 games.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:58 am
All the complaints about Gradkowski’s play this week are…mostly justified. But, there were failures ALL OVER the place that are embarrassing for a Professional football team.
Louis Murphy’s complaints of not having timing with his QB’s has absolutely nothing to do with the fact he isn’t running his routes correctly. His ad-lib style is fine once the balls in the air, but if he’s not where he belongs, no QB has a chance to hit him consistently.
LMurphy blatantly short-armed the one pass…and that had nothing to do with Gradkowski. Had LMurphy done that in Philly (Ricky Watters, anybody?), he’d have been booed out of the stadium. Character is about not throwing your teammates and coaches under the bus (esp when one isn’t without blame), and LMurphy should have a few people in his ear about it.
Gradkowski?? He’s got (well, he had) the arm to get the ball where it needs to go…but he hasn’t displayed sound throwing fundamentals since he came back.
Even if he makes all the reads correctly, and fires at the correct target…Grads has been falling-away from nearly every throw — with or without pressure on him. Elway and Marino couldn’t have succeeded doing that on most throws, and Grads doesn’t have nearly their arm strength. Grads needs to be spot-on accurate, and he’s not going to be even close if he doesn’t get back to fundamentals. With this, or any other team.
Not that the play calling helped him — or anybody else on Offense — out.
November 30th, 2010 at 10:59 am
So Campbell could win with Pro Bowl O Line and Pro Bowl WRs.
A Pro Bowl QB could win with the current O LIne and WRs.
You need a QB long term and JaMarshmallow set this franchise back at least 3 years, probably five.
All that = new QB needed.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:00 am
So. the whole long ball thing. you see, if you throw it 80 yds like our boy Jamarcus did, but no one catches it, then its not long ball, its just long incompletions. Please memo to Al.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:00 am
They are going to need to pound the rock hard with the big back Bush first then DMC.
Both backs need to be on the field at the same time vs Chargers and they utilize Reece in the passing game!
They will need to do alot of play action.
Raiders need to control the possesion of the football and sustain drives to keep Cry Me a Rivers OFF the football field….maybe even use some trick plays to catch the Dolts off guard.
They need to get ready to play physical football for the whole damn game! They need to load up the offensive line with a heavy set of O-Linemen in power packages and stay low, play with leverage and be physical and beat the Dolts D-Line off the ball!
This game is a MUST WIN!
They need to go after Rivers and put him down hard!
November 30th, 2010 at 11:03 am
# HayesDaze37 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:58 am
All the complaints about Gradkowski’s play this week are…mostly justified. But, there were failures ALL OVER the place that are embarrassing for a Professional football team.
Louis Murphy’s complaints of not having timing with his QB’s has absolutely nothing to do with the fact he isn’t running his routes correctly. His ad-lib style is fine once the balls in the air, but if he’s not where he belongs, no QB has a chance to hit him consistently.
Gradkowski?? He’s got (well, he had) the arm to get the ball where it needs to go…but he hasn’t displayed sound throwing fundamentals since he came back.
Even if he makes all the reads correctly, and fires at the correct target…Grads has been falling-away from nearly every throw — with or without pressure on him. Elway and Marino couldn’t have succeeded doing that on most throws, and Grads doesn’t have nearly their arm strength. Grads needs to be spot-on accurate, and he’s not going to be even close if he doesn’t get back to fundamentals. With this, or any other team.
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Im going to disagree on this fact. grads has never “had the arm to get the ball wher it needs to be”.
its too weak, and too erratic. his fundamentals and mechanics have always sucked. Even with no pressure an where near him he is wildly off target.
His problem is a lack of talent, and nothing else.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Jackson anyone ? Before he gets taken away this offseason.
If we had won the game Cable not letting the media know who the qb be would be genius and everyone would be talking COY like they had been. Continuing to throw deep when it was obvious Bruce couldn’t is on Hue and any gameplan that is pass first or goes away from the run is a horrible gameplan which is again on Hue. Cable deserves blame for not realizing this and talking some sense into Hue as well as not benching Bruce after realizing he wasn’t right or flat our horrible whichever it was. You guys want to fire the coach midseason when he have a bunch of motivated young players and we’re having our best year since 2002? You can’t be serious
November 30th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Um, what?
Campbell’s never been to the playoffs as a starter. His team was heading down the toilet until Todd Collins strung together some wins down the stretch.
Also, Campbell’s yards per completion does not suggest he can complete deep, just throw deep.
Hue Jackson has been the biggest letdown of the year, at least over the last 2 games.
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Campbell has been to the playoffs with Washingtion on one occasion. And he started that playoff game as well.
When Campbell was playing were able to complete more deep balls than with Gradkowski. Campbell clearly has the better arm and is far more accurate. Heyward-bey, Recce,Ford they all caught deep passes from Campbell. Now im not saying he’s a franchise qb. All im saying is he is better than any qb on this roster by far.
And how is Hue the biggest let down this year ? The man has made our offense revelant with the little he has got to work with. At least we are seeing the end zone and we got 5 wins already!!!! Get Excited my man!!
November 30th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Misty how much does JC pay you to shill for him?
November 30th, 2010 at 11:05 am
Hopefully Hue takes his tampon out and he and Cable go to Al with the film and say ‘look, this doesn’t work, we’re gonna do our thing.’
November 30th, 2010 at 11:06 am
And how is Hue the biggest let down this year ? The man has made our offense revelant with the little he has got to work with. At least we are seeing the end zone and we got 5 wins already!!!! Get Excited my man!!
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I was unitl he got away from what we were doing that had us winning.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:07 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:59 am
So Campbell could win with Pro Bowl O Line and Pro Bowl WRs.
A Pro Bowl QB could win with the current O LIne and WRs.
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What does this mean? What do you mean by win? are you saying that a probowl qb could win a handful of games with this cast, or are you saying take us deep into the playoffs?
This falls under the speculation catagory, blind speculation.
What is tangible is that we have won a handful of games with jc and this supporting cast.
Upgrade qb? ok but only a few guys make sense.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Hate to break it to the “Raiders can’t develop a QB” crowd, but these days the only way you find a guy who can perform like Phillip Rivers or Tom Brady is through the draft.
Outside of the draft, the Raiders’ options are:
Carson Palmer
– Hasn’t shown he can get it done, even with elite WRs and a slightly better offensive line and running game than Oakland’s. Turnover and injury prone.
Vince Young
– Shows flashes of brilliance, but is also injury prone and immature. But Bud Adams loves him and won’t let him go.
Kevin Kolb
– Plenty of upside, but can he look nearly as good behind the Raiders’ offensive line with limited weaponry (no Jackson, Maclin, Avant, McCoy…)? Can the Raiders afford to give up two second round picks to get him?
Ryan Fitzpatrick
– Came out of nowhere this year, getting it done with Lee Evans (underrated WR) and a rookie. Very little help from his running game. But is his performance a mirage? Will Buffalo even consider letting him go at the end of the season in favor of Luck or Locker? That remains to be seen.
And then, the trash heap:
- Troy Smith
- Josh Johnson
- Tyler Thigpen
- Chris Redman
Considering all those options? I’d much rather see Enderle, Mallett, Devlin, or Ponder come aboard next season and sit behind Campbell for a little while. They’ll only cost one pick instead of trade compensation, they’ll get to work with Hue (doubt Hue is going anywhere after this season – he’s likely first in line for the HC job), and it allows the Raiders to focus on OL and WR in free agency and the rest of the draft.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:10 am
# Drexl Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Misty how much does JC pay you to shill for him?
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You still here/ arent you missing romper room or fraggle rock?
You seem butt hurt because you were wrong about grads. i told you he sucked, i was right.
Stop pouting.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:10 am
I think its time for Cable to mix up this O-Line. From what we are getting out of Valdheer we can get out of Henderson. Move Valdheer to center and start Henderson at left. At least we can get some kind of push up the middle. We address the left tackle spot through the draft or free agency. Bruce Campbell has to see the file das well.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:11 am
Campbell has been to the playoffs with Washingtion on one occasion. And he started that playoff game as well.
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Campbell’s 1st start was in 2006. The team went to the playoffs in 2007 and Collins started.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Mistic — You can disagree all you want…your love of JCampbell apparently overshadows your desire to see the best product on the field, so you’re immediately disqualified.
Many people, including the coaches (one of whom many in here are calling to be HC), seemed to have this idea that Grads was better prepared, and more ready to lead this team. I think they probably know a lot more than you do about the two QB’s and their readiness (not necessarily talent) to lead an Offense.
Neither Grads nor JCampbell have displayed anywhere near the caliber of play this team needs to make the Playoffs. A few great catches on poorly-thrown balls should be icing on the cake…not the cake.
I want JCampbell to have a All Pro-like end of the season…but he needs to make better reads, and make MUCH better (read: timely) throws, if we have any chance of winning our Division.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:14 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Hate to break it to the “Raiders can’t develop a QB” crowd, but these days the only way you find a guy who can perform like Phillip Rivers or Tom Brady is through the draft.
Outside of the draft, the Raiders’ options are:
Carson Palmer
– Hasn’t shown he can get it done, even with elite WRs and a slightly better offensive line and running game than Oakland’s. Turnover and injury prone.
Vince Young
– Shows flashes of brilliance, but is also injury prone and immature. But Bud Adams loves him and won’t let him go.
Kevin Kolb
– Plenty of upside, but can he look nearly as good behind the Raiders’ offensive line with limited weaponry (no Jackson, Maclin, Avant, McCoy…)? Can the Raiders afford to give up two second round picks to get him?
Ryan Fitzpatrick
– Came out of nowhere this year, getting it done with Lee Evans (underrated WR) and a rookie. Very little help from his running game. But is his performance a mirage? Will Buffalo even consider letting him go at the end of the season in favor of Luck or Locker? That remains to be seen.
And then, the trash heap:
- Troy Smith
- Josh Johnson
- Tyler Thigpen
- Chris Redman
Considering all those options? I’d much rather see Enderle, Mallett, Devlin, or Ponder come aboard next season and sit behind Campbell for a little while. They’ll only cost one pick instead of trade compensation, they’ll get to work with Hue (doubt Hue is going anywhere after this season – he’s likely first in line for the HC job), and it allows the Raiders to focus on OL and WR in free agency and the rest of the draft.
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I am only at odds with a couple of small points here.
Troy smith is not trash, he is proving to be a very good qb as we speak. he would be an upgrade over grads and boller, and campbell only has an edge because of experience, and it is a slight edge.
The draft prospects you listed are only viable in the scenario you laid out as late rounders, however i think at best those guys will end up as bench warmers or wash outs. they just arent that talented.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:14 am
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:07 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:59 am
So Campbell could win with Pro Bowl O Line and Pro Bowl WRs.
A Pro Bowl QB could win with the current O LIne and WRs.
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What does this mean? What do you mean by win? are you saying that a probowl qb could win a handful of games with this cast, or are you saying take us deep into the playoffs?
This falls under the speculation catagory, blind speculation.
What is tangible is that we have won a handful of games with jc and this supporting cast.
Upgrade qb? ok but only a few guys make sense.
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Not really speculation. If you want go digging through stats, you will find ’statistically’ and actually better QBs then Campbell (shouldn’t be too hard, there are PLENTY) that have won more games than Campbell with statistically worse O Lines and WRs.
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‘Upgrade qb? ok but only a few guys make sense.’
This, we agree on. But certainly not the type of player. If you want to rip apart the entire Al Davis philosophy (which I’m not neccecarily opposed to) and start a spread option QB, good luck getting that past Al.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Campbell’s 1st start was in 2006. The team went to the playoffs in 2007 and Collins started.
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Hey at least he knows what it smells like rite ? Thats more than any qb on this roster. ; )
November 30th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Im no Jason lover gentlemen but the one thing I do know is. HE GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN!! JUST WIN BABY!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Beat-up Rivers this week, and we will beat the Chargers again. “Phil, I’d like to re-introduce you to Richard Seymour and his new best pals…again and again and again.”
Rivers must go down, and he must go down hard.
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HD37? is that really you?
it’s a football comment and I like it!
November 30th, 2010 at 11:17 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Mistic — You can disagree all you want…your love of JCampbell apparently overshadows your desire to see the best product on the field, so you’re immediately disqualified.
Many people, including the coaches (one of whom many in here are calling to be HC), seemed to have this idea that Grads was better prepared, and more ready to lead this team. I think they probably know a lot more than you do about the two QB’s and their readiness (not necessarily talent) to lead an Offense.
Neither Grads nor JCampbell have displayed anywhere near the caliber of play this team needs to make the Playoffs. A few great catches on poorly-thrown balls should be icing on the cake…not the cake.
I want JCampbell to have a All Pro-like end of the season…but he needs to make better reads, and make MUCH better (read: timely) throws, if we have any chance of winning our Division.
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Well said.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:18 am
I do agree that Troy Smith is just as viable an option as Campbell, Grads, and Boller. But I don’t see him as a long-term starter just because he pulled out games against Denver and Arizona. Talented kid, but struggles with accuracy and decision-making. Reminds me of a less explosive Michael Vick, pre-prison.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:19 am
# HayesDaze37 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Mistic — You can disagree all you want…your love of JCampbell apparently overshadows your desire to see the best product on the field, so you’re immediately disqualified.
Many people, including the coaches (one of whom many in here are calling to be HC), seemed to have this idea that Grads was better prepared, and more ready to lead this team. I think they probably know a lot more than you do about the two QB’s and their readiness (not necessarily talent) to lead an Offense.
Neither Grads nor JCampbell have displayed anywhere near the caliber of play this team needs to make the Playoffs. A few great catches on poorly-thrown balls should be icing on the cake…not the cake.
I want JCampbell to have a All Pro-like end of the season…but he needs to make better reads, and make MUCH better (read: timely) throws, if we have any chance of winning our Division.
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Not sure what you mean by this.
You made a claim listing reasons why grads flopped, but he flopped because he isnt very good. I didnt even mention campbell.
Also we have no shot at the division, cable and grads have started a locker room mutiny.
The o-line is not good enough to be division champ.
2010 raiders….toast
November 30th, 2010 at 11:20 am
HueJax has made the Offense relevent again…but he hasn’t been a miracle worker…and he’s had a number of failures on his part.
And so far, Hue hasn’t displayed that he’s any more ready to be a HC in this League than any other assistant. Calling for him to replace Cable is just silly at this point.
This team needs to stay the course…keep doing what they’ve done to improve over last year’s team. Blowing-up the coaching staff at this point would be a disaster of Raiders-like proportions, and would ruin the team for another 2-3 years at least.
If (or when) Cable doesn’t get the team turned-around (we thought it was?)…by the end of the year, THEN it’s time to make a change. Here’s to hoping it doesn’t have to be made!
November 30th, 2010 at 11:23 am
To be clear, I only think Hue should take over as HC if this team fails to get to 8-8. 7-9 MIGHT be enough for Cable, but it depends entirely upon the nature of the games the Raiders lose. A couple more blowouts and a change will need to come, if only from an accountability standpoint.
I do agree that at this point, the young team needs consistency more than it needs an outside hire coming in to implement his take on the same Al Davis schemes.
If there IS a coaching change, I just think Hue is the best option.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:24 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Winning these next games is not about QB or scheme or playcalling.
This is not an Xs and Os team and Hue is either inept or handcuffed.
Only shot we have is to beat up the opponent at the line of scrimmage.
The End
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So your saying it has everything to do with sheme, playcalling, X’s and O’s, and the QB moving in the pocket, and throwing on time!
The line, D or O, cant play without “playcalling”, ya can’t call plays without X’s and O’s! This is called a “scheme” which Cable, Hue, and Marshell put together!
November 30th, 2010 at 11:24 am
Win the LOS, win the game.
Xs and Os is not what this team does.
Beat up the other guy. It’s self-imposed Al Davis football. The Old Man got what he wants.
See you guys in the PM(S) sesh.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:24 am
L.A,
Dont start bra, seriously. You are also in that group of people telling me that grads was the best option on this roster. You waffled once the win streak started. You panicked after the steeler game and reasserted your belief that grad was better than jc.
You were wrong.
By the way, just because i nailed it when i told you who was the best qb on this roster, doesnt mean i think campbell is great.
That is what you cats throw out there to feel better about the fact that you didnt know enough about qb talent to see through gradkowski mania.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Im all for Hue at this point. The teams just cant figure out consistency and I believe its a reflection of the Head coach.
Hue has some gruden attributes that I really like. He’s very vocal and intense the way john use to be. And is also a players coach as well.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:28 am
I have a question.
We’ve had a problem with our offense for several years now. Do you think it mught be possible that it’s the system and not just the players?
Our system does not match the strength of our player on offense, or defense.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Hue Jackson as HC?
as long as he isn’t the play caller i’m cool with it!
November 30th, 2010 at 11:30 am
LMurphy is far from a locker room mutiny! What a joke. As soon as Murphy starts playing with fewer mistakes, I’ll start buying more of what he’s selling.
Timing IS everything with receivers and QB’s, he got that right. Timing IS everything when running a crossing route, too…he forgot to mention his own responsibilities — one of which was to catch the ball (or make the best effort possible to do so). LMurphy short-armed a throw that was possibly catchable, and would have been more catchable had he been in the right place.
Even with JCampbell at QB…if LMurphy doesn’t run the correct route (or make the ballsy plays he’s been recognized for in the past), that part of our passing game will be missing.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:30 am
I think we have the right set of skill players around the offense with the exception of the QB. I think we need a better arm back there and some better O linemen.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:31 am
641.RaiderRockstar Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Hue Jackson as HC?
as long as he isn’t the play caller i’m cool with it!
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You like Al Davis’ plays better?
November 30th, 2010 at 11:33 am
WOW after 2 games people are turning on HUE just like that. Look its not his fault mcfadden has broken out the last 2 games. Have you seen our offensive get man handled and pushed back. Get on Cable please! Last game lets be honest Gradkowski was horrible. Had we started Campbell I think we would have been talking abut a W here folks.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:35 am
RaiderWill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:10 am
I think its time for Cable to mix up this O-Line. From what we are getting out of Valdheer we can get out of Henderson. Move Valdheer to center and start Henderson at left. At least we can get some kind of push up the middle. We address the left tackle spot through the draft or free agency. Bruce Campbell has to see the file das well.
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Henderson is not even close to Veldheer at LT, and Veldheer isnt very good at Center. Making moves just for the heck of it is not smart football.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Fix the o-line and it all becomes moot.
Just sayin’.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:35 am
# RaiderWill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:33 am
Had we started Campbell I think we would have been talking abut a W here folks.
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LOL. Yeh. Campbell looked like Tom Brady against Pittsburgh, didn’t he?
November 30th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Murphy had 9 drops last year, 3 more than DHB!
not sure how many he has so far this year, but I do recall that nicely thrown Gradkowski pass against Houston that bounced off of his chest and into the arms of that Texans DB to end the game … to be fair, Ford did the same thing against SF with JCamp at QB and DHB is far from being an NFL quality player. Somebody with his skill set (speed, no hands) is about 5th or 6th on the depth chart of most teams
November 30th, 2010 at 11:37 am
RaiderWill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:30 am
I think we have the right set of skill players around the offense with the exception of the QB.
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Really? One receiver who can catch the ball? I’d say we have the wrong set.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Henderson is not even close to Veldheer at LT, and Veldheer isnt very good at Center. Making moves just for the heck of it is not smart football.
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Yea but I think you got more quality on the line by doing that and better blocking. Satele is grabage man so is Carsilie. Valdheer will give you more at center than satele will
November 30th, 2010 at 11:37 am
I think the problem is multifaceted.
You can win with any scheme as long as you have the players. Poor drafts in the past, and neglect of the front lines have made it difficult to execute the schemes Al Davis wants to run.
On both offense and defense, Al wants dominant players who can win one-on-one matchups all day long. The problem is that this is a very vague thing to look for in a player. If you’re going to draft based on that alone, you’d better hit a home run most of the time.
Moreover, defensive coordinators are very good at downplaying one-on-one matchups by bringing pressure, using different zone looks, and having a system where even their least talented starter can still contribute. The Raiders don’t have a system like that. Their least-talented players get exposed.
In addition, any good coach will want to implement their own schemes, and bring in assistant coaches and players who fit those schemes. This is not something that Al Davis allows.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Watching the Steeler/Buffalo highlights. What a classic AFC game. Low scoring, just pounding it out.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:39 am
AGAIN: Tom Cable is as dumb as he looks. Stevie Wonder could see that Bruce Gradkowski was hurt. This was not the time to make Bruce no freaking hero. He was throwing floaters and should have been pulled at half time. Namdi Asomugha which never complains said after the game that he don’t know what going on with the quarterback situation.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:39 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:37 am
I think the problem is multifaceted.
You can win with any scheme as long as you have the players.
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Wow. How insightful. And, you know, you can be rich as long as you have money.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:40 am
RMR, read the rest of my post and maybe you’ll understand. Hell, maybe you’ll even learn something.
Or, maybe you’re just a troll.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:40 am
HueJax needs to learn what the rest of the NFL probably already knows by now…just like Lance Kiffin refused to learn…and what a number of us have been saying for 3-years:
DMcFadden really IS our version of Reggie Bush…and until we figure that out, DMC will continue to be misused.
DMC should be in space…with or without the ball. Pounding up the middle needs to be more shared w/ Michael Bush…with a heavier load going to Bush in those cases.
MBush moves as well (better balance?) as DMC, and he hits the hole just as quick. Once past the first level, they both have breakaway ability…and Bush has actually shown the (longer) nose for the end zone.
DMC and MBush are both being misused…and that’s almost as big of a problem as the QB issue is now.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:40 am
# HayesDaze37 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:30 am
LMurphy is far from a locker room mutiny! What a joke. As soon as Murphy starts playing with fewer mistakes, I’ll start buying more of what he’s selling.
Timing IS everything with receivers and QB’s, he got that right. Timing IS everything when running a crossing route, too…he forgot to mention his own responsibilities — one of which was to catch the ball (or make the best effort possible to do so). LMurphy short-armed a throw that was possibly catchable, and would have been more catchable had he been in the right place.
Even with JCampbell at QB…if LMurphy doesn’t run the correct route (or make the ballsy plays he’s been recognized for in the past), that part of our passing game will be missing.
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Murphy is not without blame, he has regressed and sucked badly.
However its not just murphy’s comments that are telling signs of mutiny. Seymour said “guys are just going through the motions” mitchell openly questions commitment. namdi is questioned before the game in a tv interview about his view of who should be the starting qb, and he backs campbell. he didnt go with the standard its up to the coaches. Then after the miami game he is asked again about the quagmire created by cable, and he says he “has no idea what is happening at qb”.
face it, something stinks to high heaven, and it has locker room meltdown written all over it.
cable has sunk this pirate ship.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
So your saying it has everything to do with sheme, playcalling, X’s and O’s, and the QB moving in the pocket, and throwing on time!
The line, D or O, cant play without “playcalling”, ya can’t call plays without X’s and O’s! This is called a “scheme” which Cable, Hue, and Marshell put together!
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Um, I think you took it too literally. When I say we’re not an Xs and Os team, I mean we’re not going to outcoach anybody, not that we shouldn’t call plays.
We have to pyhsically beat up the oppenent, unless Hue can get creative again. Marshall’s job is much tougher without C. Johnson and Nnamdi. Front 7 gotta beat up their O Line and Rivers and the CBs gotta jam the WRs hard.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:41 am
edward teach Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Fix the o-line and it all becomes moot.
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Sure. We’re just stacked with pro bowlers outside of the o-line.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:43 am
RaiderWill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:33 am
WOW after 2 games people are turning on HUE just like that. Look its not his fault mcfadden has broken out the last 2 games. Have you seen our offensive get man handled and pushed back. Get on Cable please!
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Wait it gets worse, after the loss cable throws hue under the bus for his play calling. You cant play action when you cant run the ball. this is a play action offense. You cant run the ball when your o-line is roller skates and doing there best jackie wilson slididng all over the place.
this is cables mess.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:44 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:40 am
RMR, read the rest of my post and maybe you’ll understand.
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You mean where you name some of these right players that we need to run any system? Wow. Sorry I missed it. I’m sure I would be more enlightened if I’d just read your child like player wish list.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:45 am
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:24 am
L.A,
Dont start bra, seriously. You are also in that group of people telling me that grads was the best option on this roster. You waffled once the win streak started. You panicked after the steeler game and reasserted your belief that grad was better than jc.
You were wrong.
By the way, just because i nailed it when i told you who was the best qb on this roster, doesnt mean i think campbell is great.
That is what you cats throw out there to feel better about the fact that you didnt know enough about qb talent to see through gradkowski mania.
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Grads was the best option on the roster. I’m not going to sit here and make excuses for him, because he played poorly and neither him or Jason had any run support their last two starts.
I never waffles after the win streak. I was constantly reminding you that you don’t know anything about QBs and we won as a team and Campbell managed the game well at times but was not at all the deciding factor and never put the team on his shoulders at any point.
I paniced after the Steeler game? Well, obviously I was right to panic seeing how the Miami game went. That bye was the worst thing to happen to this team.
You said Campbell v. Rivers was Plunkett v. Fouts for crissakes, LOL.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:45 am
657.HayesDaze37 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:40 am
HueJax needs to learn what the rest of the NFL probably already knows by now…just like Lance Kiffin refused to learn…and what a number of us have been saying for 3-years:
DMcFadden really IS our version of Reggie Bush…and until we figure that out, DMC will continue to be misused.
DMC should be in space…with or without the ball. Pounding up the middle needs to be more shared w/ Michael Bush…with a heavier load going to Bush in those cases.
MBush moves as well (better balance?) as DMC, and he hits the hole just as quick. Once past the first level, they both have breakaway ability…and Bush has actually shown the (longer) nose for the end zone.
DMC and MBush are both being misused…and that’s almost as big of a problem as the QB issue is now.
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
The problem is the o-line not opening holes, when the holes are there McFadden has proven he can dominate. As for the TD issue, McFadden gets us close and then someone decides that twinkle toes Bush should get the red zone carries, and he is no Zack Crockett, lets just put it that way. There have been several instances this year where McFadden was pulled near the goal line and Bush didn’t come through.
Frankly, McFadden has punished way more defenders this year than Bush could dream of doing, but for some reason McFadden doesn’t get the call in the red zone, to our detriment.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:46 am
RMR, I’m not going to get in a pissing match with you, so if that’s what you’re looking for you can look elsewhere. When you contribute something to the football conversation in this blog, I’ll acknowledge you. Until then, you’re just a troll to me. And a poor one at that.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:46 am
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
November 30th, 2010 at 11:46 am
# mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:43 am
this is cables mess.
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On a real NFL franchise, Cable would go and so would the GM who hired him.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:47 am
# RaiderReggie Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:39 am
AGAIN: Tom Cable is as dumb as he looks. Stevie Wonder could see that Bruce Gradkowski was hurt. This was not the time to make Bruce no freaking hero. He was throwing floaters and should have been pulled at half time. Namdi Asomugha which never complains said after the game that he don’t know what going on with the quarterback situation.
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Grads is terrible when healthy, (and i think he was healthy).
cable is an idot for thinking grads was any good at all.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Madden,
Not even suggesting that. What I am saying is that if we’re able to pass protect when teams load the box to stop the run we become a more capable team offensively. Campbell struggles against heavy pressure; so do most other quarterbacks. Give him time to throw, he’s more effective. If the passing game is something opposing defenses have to take halfway seriously it makes it easier to run the ball.
And so on.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Young America, that’s too bad. Because I was really hoping you’d expand on your genius theory that, by golly, if you have the right players, you can run any system. I mean, that is great stuff. You should write a book, and have John Facenda narrate from the grave. If you have the right players, you can run any scheme. You don’t say. You don’t say.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Actually…we CAN’T play-action if the running game isn’t there…even high school coaches know that.
HueJax called a HORRIBLE game Sunday. Not even close to good. DHB on the reverse? That was the best possible play for that spot, needing to push that ball into the Red Zone?
HueJax has shown an alarming inability lately to get out of the play-sheet and look at what’s actually working (or not) on the field. Pittsburgh was a perfect example.
And…if Cable had a problem with the play-calling, all he had to do was step over to HueJax and tell him he wanted to see more of something else.
Nobody had a good game Sunday…the players and the coaches ALL deserve the blame.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Wait it gets worse, after the loss cable throws hue under the bus for his play calling. You cant play action when you cant run the ball. this is a play action offense. You cant run the ball when your o-line is roller skates and doing there best jackie wilson slididng all over the place.
this is cables mess
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This is definitely a play action offense all our deep balls and big gains have come from the play action pass. When your line is getting bull dozed on first down for a loss theirs is no way anyone is gonna bite on the play action pass. When your offensive line cant block you gotta fool the defense to throw the ball but in order to fool the defense you gotta be able to run the ball. If they aint running they aint fooling nobody rite now.
Cable’s mess ineed!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Smoke and Mirrors and a fan enthusiasm. That accounts for our three historic wins.
Tom Cable is an fn idiot. He looks like Curley Joe of the three stooges; and if Curley Joe coached, he would coach like Tom Cable.
The only attribute that Tom Cable has, and it isn’t even special, is that he is tenacious. He is so stupid he doesn’t know how to use the tools that he has at his disposal. If he were a carpenter, he would probably be use a hacksaw to cut firewood, even if he had a perfectly functional axe. He has his favorites and he gives them the ball, even though everyone else in the nation can see he it is usually NOT the best choice. Why did he only give M Bush one carry? Recall that Antonio Fargas was his #1 back. That was ONLY because Fargas personified TC: Not very good but bull headed determination to move the ball forward at all costs. Exactly TC. I say cut this perennial loser NOW! He is probably the most inept coach in the league.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Teach, Campbell was crapping his pants on the first drive against Pittsburgh. He’d hardly faced any pressure. And, I don’t know how long you’ve been watching football, but the better quarterbacks in the league CAN play when under pressure. They have to. All of them. Brady, Manning, Brees, all of them. It’s something called, tsk tsk, between me and you…I’ll whisper it….”the playoffs”. That’s when they all play against tough defenses, and face pressure for 3 hours. They face it, and persevere. Campbell craps in his silver pants, in the first quarter, in regular season games.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Aw guys come on and cheer up….its Tuesday now….shake the Miami game off….time to focus on SD and pulling out a win so we can try and stay alive in AFC West. If we beat SD we can damn near end their season. But it wont be easy i can tell ya that for sure. Sd is feeling themselves but lucky for us they won last week. I kept trying to tell some people that I prefer a team to win before playing us, they disagreed and wanted all AFC teams like Miami and Pitt to lose because they were looking at playoff picture lol….I’m like you will not get into playoffs if team cant win division. The 2nd place teams inthe AFC East and North will get the last two wildcards slots.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:53 am
If Campbell shines against the Chargers and we win, I’ll embrace him like a long lost brother(no pun on words intended)!
LA to TheBay, I agree that Grads was the best option but that ship has sailed.
Dakota, good luck this week.
Go Laker’s!
November 30th, 2010 at 11:53 am
I don’t know of many offensive coordinators that can run an efficient offense with scrub players at the WR, FB, RT, RG and C positions.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:54 am
Hayes Daze, in a real NFL franchise, Cable and HuJax would be fired, and so would the GM who hired them.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Outside of the draft, the Raiders’ options are:
Carson Palmer
– Hasn’t shown he can get it done, even with elite WRs and a slightly better offensive line and running game than Oakland’s. Turnover and injury prone.
Vince Young
– Shows flashes of brilliance, but is also injury prone and immature. But Bud Adams loves him and won’t let him go.
Kevin Kolb
– Plenty of upside, but can he look nearly as good behind the Raiders’ offensive line with limited weaponry (no Jackson, Maclin, Avant, McCoy…)? Can the Raiders afford to give up two second round picks to get him?
Ryan Fitzpatrick
– Came out of nowhere this year, getting it done with Lee Evans (underrated WR) and a rookie. Very little help from his running game. But is his performance a mirage? Will Buffalo even consider letting him go at the end of the season in favor of Luck or Locker? That remains to be seen.
And then, the trash heap:
- Troy Smith
- Josh Johnson
- Tyler Thigpen
- Chris Redman
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Hmmmmm. I’ll take Josh Johnson. Gruden seemed real high on Josh Freeman. Pry him loose from Tampon Bay Al.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:57 am
621.YoungAmerican Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Hate to break it to the “Raiders can’t develop a QB” crowd, but these days the only way you find a guy who can perform like Phillip Rivers or Tom Brady is through the draft.
Outside of the draft, the Raiders’ options are:
Carson Palmer
– Hasn’t shown he can get it done, even with elite WRs and a slightly better offensive line and running game than Oakland’s. Turnover and injury prone.
Vince Young
– Shows flashes of brilliance, but is also injury prone and immature. But Bud Adams loves him and won’t let him go.
Kevin Kolb
– Plenty of upside, but can he look nearly as good behind the Raiders’ offensive line with limited weaponry (no Jackson, Maclin, Avant, McCoy…)? Can the Raiders afford to give up two second round picks to get him?
Ryan Fitzpatrick
– Came out of nowhere this year, getting it done with Lee Evans (underrated WR) and a rookie. Very little help from his running game. But is his performance a mirage? Will Buffalo even consider letting him go at the end of the season in favor of Luck or Locker? That remains to be seen.
And then, the trash heap:
- Troy Smith
- Josh Johnson
- Tyler Thigpen
- Chris Redman
Considering all those options? I’d much rather see Enderle, Mallett, Devlin, or Ponder come aboard next season and sit behind Campbell for a little while. They’ll only cost one pick instead of trade compensation, they’ll get to work with Hue (doubt Hue is going anywhere after this season – he’s likely first in line for the HC job), and it allows the Raiders to focus on OL and WR in free agency and the rest of the draft.
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Fitz or Kolb. Doesn’t matter they will ride with Campbell for one more year and try to uprade the O-Line and probaby add another TE to compliment Z Miller.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Oh god yall still doing the Grad vs JC bit?…..I prefer JC cuz I dig stronger arm QBs but the oline is horrible when facing a good dline and the dline is playing soft. That is where the problem lies. Al Davis is my dawg and all but the fact he hasn’t found suitable interior Olineman, and stud NT and bookend DE this team will get beat by the better teams if luck isnt on our side.
Repeatedly I wanted a yung NT but we ignored it. I love Hendu but we not using him as a starter. Tommy Kelly is inconsistent at NT and its a joke. We still lack a DE that can cause hell for a QB’s blindside. You need a RDE that can get ya 10 plus sacks a year
The oline is just a joke thru and thru. Cable is some guru huh?
November 30th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Na man cant get over this one. Cable and his sharp mind has me upset for a couple of days now. I was a cable supporter before this now off with his head. He cost us a game with that genius move of his. Grad just looked awful we didnt have a drive longer than 4 plays until the final 2 mins. Are you bleeping kidding me ? This was the dolphins at home. Passes that Campbell would of completed. Out of not looking like a complete moron he left him in the game.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Dakota,
HayezDaze and Will think we have a pro bowl squad on both sides of the ball. They can’t believe that the coaching staff can’t win 14 games with this superior talent Al assembled.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:57 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Grads was the best option on the roster. I’m not going to sit here and make excuses for him, because he played poorly and neither him or Jason had any run support their last two starts.
I never waffles after the win streak. I was constantly reminding you that you don’t know anything about QBs and we won as a team and Campbell managed the game well at times but was not at all the deciding factor and never put the team on his shoulders at any point.
I paniced after the Steeler game? Well, obviously I was right to panic seeing how the Miami game went. That bye was the worst thing to happen to this team.
You said Campbell v. Rivers was Plunkett v. Fouts for crissakes, LOL.
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Why are you digging this whole for yourself?
grads was never the best option, he has proven it on the field. score board l.a., campbell has the numbers and the wins, grads cant compete. you were wrong.
you did waffle, first you said grads, then you changed to campbell as the best option ( during the streak), then you wormed your way back to grads after the steeler game. nest time go with cane syrup, it will make the waffle taste better when your eating it.
Try to understand for 90th time. i compared the flow of the game with san diego, with its shoot out style, to the old match ups with fouts and plunkett. because it was high scoring and down to the wire. i have never and would never compare rivers and campbell to fouts and plunkett.
it took you all that time and that is the best you could come up with? laughable.
November 30th, 2010 at 11:58 am
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:53 am
If Campbell shines against the Chargers and we win, I’ll embrace him like a long lost brother(no pun on words intended)!
LA to TheBay, I agree that Grads was the best option but that ship has sailed.
Dakota, good luck this week.
Go Laker’s!
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Man yall gotta stop this JC vs Grad debate seriously…..best option? Neither guy has shown he is best option. Wins is what matters tho at the end of the day not stats
November 30th, 2010 at 11:59 am
The bye wasnt the worse thing to happen to this team LatoBay!
The fact that we dont know who our QB is and the fact both lines stinking up the joint is what doomed us the last two weeks
November 30th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
# edward teach Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Madden,
Not even suggesting that. What I am saying is that if we’re able to pass protect when teams load the box to stop the run we become a more capable team offensively. Campbell struggles against heavy pressure; so do most other quarterbacks. Give him time to throw, he’s more effective. If the passing game is something opposing defenses have to take halfway seriously it makes it easier to run the ball.
And so on.
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basic football concept lost on many on this blog
November 30th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
659.LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
So your saying it has everything to do with sheme, playcalling, X’s and O’s, and the QB moving in the pocket, and throwing on time!
The line, D or O, cant play without “playcalling”, ya can’t call plays without X’s and O’s! This is called a “scheme” which Cable, Hue, and Marshell put together!
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Um, I think you took it too literally. When I say we’re not an Xs and Os team, I mean we’re not going to outcoach anybody, not that we shouldn’t call plays.
We have to pyhsically beat up the oppenent, unless Hue can get creative again. Marshall’s job is much tougher without C. Johnson and Nnamdi. Front 7 gotta beat up their O Line and Rivers and the CBs gotta jam the WRs hard.
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I see, yep I took it too literally. I’m kindda like that.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Why the Raiders can’t win:
If New England, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, NYG, what have you, had our situation right now, Tom Cable at head coach, Hue Jackson at offensive coordinator, John Marshall as DC, Jason Campbell signed in the off season and called “the next Jim Plunkeet”, they would all be FIRED, including the GENERAL MANAGER that hired all of these boneheads. In Oakland, the general manager stays put, so you basically get a new cast of the same characters, over and over an over again.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
But its all good…..let’s see what these guys are made of with a huge division game on the line. Win that and you still are in the hunt. I would hope this team wouldnt get dominated for the 3rd week in a row but stranger things have happened
November 30th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Dakota — How many long TD runs and/or passes has MBush had compared to DMC? What I said has nothing to do with goal-line carries.
What I say about MBush is true inside the 10-yard-line, or at the 50…MBush might not be the blaze that DMC can be, but he runs just as well. I feel this is also true: the Raiders are half as good at RB when they don’t give MBush at least 1/3 of the carries.
DMC needs to see the ball away from the line of scrimmage…whether he busts through that line or not. It’s the Offensive Coordinator’s job to get the ball into his playmakers’ hands…in spots where they can make the most of it. HueJax, like the last two OC’s, is failing to do that.
DMC carrying the ball 25+ times, with more than half of those carries going through the line of scrimmage = a (faster) broken-broken DMC.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Making a pretty big leap there, Madden. I’m not coomparing Campbell to Manning, Brees or Brady. We’re not a pass-first-team.
What I’m saying is that Campbell is more effective when he has time to throw (and so are those other guys, by the way. You watched Rivers fold up like a lawn chair when we finally got around to blitzing him, and maybe you watched Peyton against the Chargersa the other night). A good offensive line makes everybody better (although it would help if we had someone other than Miller and Ford that could catch when we needed it).
November 30th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:24 am
L.A,
Dont start bra, seriously. You are also in that group of people telling me that grads was the best option on this roster. You waffled once the win streak started. You panicked after the steeler game and reasserted your belief that grad was better than jc.
You were wrong.
By the way, just because i nailed it when i told you who was the best qb on this roster, doesnt mean i think campbell is great.
That is what you cats throw out there to feel better about the fact that you didnt know enough about qb talent to see through gradkowski mania.
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LOL!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Kevin Kolb
– Plenty of upside, but can he look nearly as good behind the Raiders’ offensive line with limited weaponry (no Jackson, Maclin, Avant, McCoy…)? Can the Raiders afford to give up two second round picks to get him?
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Hear on the radio that the Eagles want two first rounders for this guy….the guy that has been criticized for not being able to get his WRs involved in the game! Same as Campbell.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Bauuuuuuce!!!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:45 am
You (Mistic) said Campbell v. Rivers was Plunkett v. Fouts for crissakes, LOL.
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO HE DIDN’T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
No more free agent QBs please. We gonna have to stick with what we got and draft one. Think second round options folks.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
# Bauce 2 Dope Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:58 am
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:53 am
If Campbell shines against the Chargers and we win, I’ll embrace him like a long lost brother(no pun on words intended)!
LA to TheBay, I agree that Grads was the best option but that ship has sailed.
Dakota, good luck this week.
Go Laker’s!
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Man yall gotta stop this JC vs Grad debate seriously…..best option? Neither guy has shown he is best option. Wins is what matters tho at the end of the day not stats
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Bauce,
Some folks refuse to let go of grads. vs jc. Even though it is clear that the biggest problem on this team is our inept o-line and our idiot coach. The qb thing was over weeks ago, only people on this board and tom cable didnt know it.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
JCampbell plays well enough to win this week.
The Defensive front will show up once again, and Rivers will be beaten-up.
Nnamdi plays better, and the Defensive backfield holds-up better…because the guys up front will be all over the slow running Rivers.
Beat-up Rivers and win this game.
It is STILL a great time to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 11:45 am
You (Mistic) said Campbell v. Rivers was Plunkett v. Fouts for crissakes, LOL.
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO HE DIDN’T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RMR for once you are right, no i did not.
This is a flat out lie.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
edward teach Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
What I’m saying is that Campbell is more effective when he has time to throw
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You don’t say?
Wow.
Folks, the infinite knowledge of football is just flowing in here today.
Do read, over and over again, this astute observation by Edward Teach.
He professes to us, in all of his splendor and glory, that Sir Jason Campbell would be more effective if he, get this, had more time to throw the football.
I never thought of it.
It’s this type of brilliance that makes Al Davis a world apart from other owners.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
That is what you cats throw out there to feel better about the fact that you didnt know enough about qb talent to see through gradkowski mania.
Listen to you gloat its like JLH doing a TD dance or the Cowboys penalized for excessive celebration when they’re losing the game. Bruces game wasn’t much worse than Campbells vs the 9ers or Campbells vs the Titans or Campbell vs the Rams….
November 30th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
It is STILL a great time to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
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Not as great as it was 3 weeks ago. Not even close, really.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
703.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
It is STILL a great time to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
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Not as great as it was 3 weeks ago. Not even close, really.
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It is ALWAYS GREAT, just some days are GREATER!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
# mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
The qb thing was over weeks ago, only people on this board and tom cable didnt know it.
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What does that mean?
November 30th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
That is what you cats throw out there to feel better about the fact that you didnt know enough about qb talent to see through gradkowski mania.
Listen to you gloat its like JLH doing a TD dance or the Cowboys penalized for excessive celebration when they’re losing the game. Bruces game wasn’t much worse than Campbells vs the 9ers or Campbells vs the Titans or Campbell vs the Rams….
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You are a bore. Who cares about grads vs. jc, it was over weeks ago, i happened to be right.
Stop crying and contribute something useful or interesting, otherwise do us a favor and go away.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
# Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
It is ALWAYS GREAT, just some days are GREATER!
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OK, I don’t expect a guy who named himself after an animal that sifts through trash dumpsters to be a genius, but that’s kind of what I said. I said it was a lot greater a few weeks ago. Steal some reading glasses out of a trash can, Raccoon.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
# mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
The qb thing was over weeks ago, only people on this board and tom cable didnt know it.
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What does that mean?
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it means you are clueless
November 30th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Mistic, what do you mean when you say that Grads vs. JC was over weeks ago?
November 30th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Let’s see if we’re a punka$$ team that’s gonna lie down to SD who could very well win the Superbowl this year or if we’re gonna man up and prove that we belong in the playoffs. It’s not like Miami is a bad team. Now our backs are against the wall, it just makes for more drama, can’t wait.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
I’m clueless? You’re the one saying that JC/Grads was over “weeks” ago. It was a controversy this past week. Nobody in the organization even knew who was starting. Did you see Murphy’s interview? Who’s clueless?
November 30th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
701.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
edward teach Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
What I’m saying is that Campbell is more effective when he has time to throw
…………….
You don’t say?
Wow.
Folks, the infinite knowledge of football is just flowing in here today.
Do read, over and over again, this astute observation by Edward Teach.
He professes to us, in all of his splendor and glory, that Sir Jason Campbell would be more effective if he, get this, had more time to throw the football.
I never thought of it.
It’s this type of brilliance that makes Al Davis a world apart from other owners.
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So if Eteach in an idiot for stating the obvious, what does that make you for “re-stating” the obvious?
You do this on a reg basis bro.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
You missed the point the first time, Madden. I had to dumb it down a little. Let’s try again;
Fix the offensive line. That makes the running game more effective. It also makes the quarterback more effective because he has more time to see the field, let the plays develop, and get the ball to his receivers so that we can get first downs, execute play action more effectively, and score more points. An added benefit is that the defense doesn’t spend two-thirds of the game on the field and get run out of the house in the fourth quarter.
Are we stacked with pro-bowlers? No. Could we be more efective offensively if our running backs had room to run and our quarterback had more time to throw? Yes. Pretty basic stuff, I think. “It all starts in the trenches” is a common phrase for a reason.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
I will tell you something interesting this guy “Walter Mcfadden”. I haven’t seen a corner torched like that in sometime. And he supposedly better than “Jermey Ware” . I would of taken Ware over this guy who hasnt seen action all season. The genius of a coaching staff.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Guys, RMR is not here to discuss football. The sooner you stop engaging him and giving him the attention he craves, the better it will be for everyone else here.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
707.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
# Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
It is ALWAYS GREAT, just some days are GREATER!
………..
OK, I don’t expect a guy who named himself after an animal that sifts through trash dumpsters to be a genius, but that’s kind of what I said. I said it was a lot greater a few weeks ago. Steal some reading glasses out of a trash can, Raccoon.
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C’mon MR you know I can read. Ur just bring silly again!
I know thats what ya “ment” wink wink. Right.
So let me, and all of us here it again, plaes kind sir.
Repeat after me ” It is GREAT to be a RAIDER fan” and ” I love the RAIDERS”!
You can cut and past MR, just let us here you say it, CLEARLY!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Wow.
We sure are lucky to have the kind of sources we have here at this comments section.
While fans of other teams just thirst for knowledge on this fantastic game, we have people like Edward Teach here to enlighten us on everything that is this game, giving us a head start over peasant fans around the league.
Folks, you’re about to get a treat. This hidden nugget of wisdom is exclusive, and I mean exclusive, to Raider fans here at this blog.
This is the hidden secret Indiana Jones was searching for in that cave in the beginning of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Folks, I now present to you, the single most enlightening comment ever made in the history of sports blogging:
edward teach Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Fix the offensive line. That makes the running game more effective.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
715.YoungAmerican Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Guys, RMR is not here to discuss football. The sooner you stop engaging him and giving him the attention he craves, the better it will be for everyone else here.
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Not so YA, MR knows some stuff I tell ya.I just found out I knowes whos him be.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
MR doesnt know how to cut and past he’s Puerto Rican.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
719.RaiderWill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
MR doesnt know how to cut and past he’s Puerto Rican.
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Nope, he b white!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
716.Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
707.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
# Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
It is ALWAYS GREAT, just some days are GREATER!
………..
OK, I don’t expect a guy who named himself after an animal that sifts through trash dumpsters to be a genius, but that’s kind of what I said. I said it was a lot greater a few weeks ago. Steal some reading glasses out of a trash can, Raccoon.
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C’mon MR you know I can read. Ur just bring silly again!
I know thats what ya “ment” wink wink. Right.
So let me, and all of us here it again, plaes kind sir.
Repeat after me ” It is GREAT to be a RAIDER fan” and ” I love the RAIDERS”!
You can cut and past MR, just let us here you say it, CLEARLY!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Stop crying and contribute something useful or interesting, otherwise do us a favor and go away.
I just comment on the game or on my opinion regarding validity of comments. You want the last word, which is feminine trait by the way, and I’m not concerned if you are interested in my comment although you obviously are because you keep responding. Let’s go J Campbell. ZMiller don’t play if you’re not ready Myers woud’ve been more effective starting the last two weeks. Nnamdi has to give 100% of what he has in him. Our pass rush has to resurface. Hue Jack needs call run run run. And our oline really has to step the f up!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Hear
November 30th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Guys, RMR is not here to discuss football.
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Oh, but you are. I mean, you’re the one who taught us that if, get this, and I mean really pay attention, people, because I won’t repeat it again, if we have the right players, we can run any system! Infinite football knowledge. You’re a deity.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
“deity” nice.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
good to see Real madden Raider in here making new friends.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
get this, and I mean really pay attention, people, because I won’t repeat it again
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Yes u will.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
721.Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
716.Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
707.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
# Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
It is ALWAYS GREAT, just some days are GREATER!
………..
OK, I don’t expect a guy who named himself after an animal that sifts through trash dumpsters to be a genius, but that’s kind of what I said. I said it was a lot greater a few weeks ago. Steal some reading glasses out of a trash can, Raccoon.
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C’mon MR you know I can read. Ur just bring silly again!
I know thats what ya “ment” wink wink. Right.
So let me, and all of us here it again, plaes kind sir.
Repeat after me ” It is GREAT to be a RAIDER fan” and ” I love the RAIDERS”!
You can cut and past MR, just let us here you say it, CLEARLY!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
OK, I’ll discuss football, guys, just like Edward Teach and Young American.
If we get the right players, we can win.
If receivers catch the ball, we can win.
If defensive players tackle people and stuff, we can win.
If our field goal kicker kicks the ball through those tall yellow poles, we win!
Oh, and here’s a breaking one for you guys, coming from an insider. If we wind up with more points than the other team, we win the game!
There, now I’m talking football just like Edward Teach and Young American.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
MR,
Repeat after me ” It is GREAT to be a RAIDER fan” and ” I love the RAIDERS”!
You can cut and past MR, just let us hear you say it, CLEARLY!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
MR, do you luv the RAIDERS?
November 30th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
# Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
get this, and I mean really pay attention, people, because I won’t repeat it again
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Yes u will.
……………….
You made a funny!
I’m so proud of you.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Didn’t expect any of that to be the revelation to you that it was, Madden. I was just trying to clarify my position on the state of the offensive line.
It makes me happy to know that I’ve broadened your horizons in such a way today that you’re willing to shout it from the rooftops. Please, though; keep the platitudes to a minimum. I’m a pretty humble guy and the attention makes me a little uncomfortable.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Shcytttt,
The biggest issue here is the Grad camp holds Grad accountable for his actions. He SUCKED last week and we all acknowledge that. The JC camp continues to make excuses for him which is pathetic.
Armchair is right. The Ship has sailed. Grad is out for the year and this is now JC’s show. We will all see how he does for the rest of the year. If he proves some of us wrong and get us into the playoff, then that’s fantastic. But I’m not holding my breath waiting for JC to be our savior. It will be down to the D, Ford and DMAC’s production.
Do us all a favor and call a spade a spade when JC sucks again.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Mistic, what do you mean when you say that Grads vs. JC was over weeks ago?
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
I’m clueless? You’re the one saying that JC/Grads was over “weeks” ago. It was a controversy this past week. Nobody in the organization even knew who was starting. Did you see Murphy’s interview? Who’s clueless?
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It was crushed when campbell led the win streak, in most observers minds.
It was only controversy again when cable had a brain cramp and decided unannounced that he was switching yet again.
By the way most players were confused by cable’s treatment of jc, he loused it up, and they know it.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Somebody bring Jeff George out of retirement ; )
November 30th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Last real must win game in my opinion was against the Chiefs before that it was vs. the Broncos and we stepped up in both. We’ll step up for this one, Seymour is too good a leader on D and Cable, yes Cable, is too good an oline coach. Hue realizes he f’d up by giving up on the run. We’ll be in the game and Rivers won’t go for 500 yards again. The key will be our Wr’s making plays, big plays in general, and turnovers. It’ll be a low scoring game, we’ll shut down their run and contain Rivers.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
November 30th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
MR,
Repeat after me ” It is GREAT to be a RAIDER fan” and ” I love the RAIDERS”!
You can cut and past MR, just let us hear you say it, CLEARLY!
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C’mon Ski,let me hear you say Ohh Ahh….
November 30th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
It was crushed when campbell led the win streak, in most observers minds.
It was only controversy again when cable had a brain cramp and decided unannounced that he was switching yet again.
By the way most players were confused by cable’s treatment of jc, he loused it up, and they know it.
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Cable is a racist he doesnt like black qbs.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
# RaiderWill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
I will tell you something interesting this guy “Walter Mcfadden”. I haven’t seen a corner torched like that in sometime. And he supposedly better than “Jermey Ware” . I would of taken Ware over this guy who hasnt seen action all season. The genius of a coaching staff.
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Another ridiculous gaffe, ware has been the 3rd best cover behind namdi and rout. Cable panicked removing jc after pitt and he panicked on ware after pitt.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
It was crushed when campbell led the win streak, in most observers minds.
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LOL. What observers? Pretty grand of you to represent “most observers”, isn’t it?
November 30th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Another ridiculous gaffe, ware has been the 3rd best cover behind namdi and rout. Cable panicked removing jc after pitt and he panicked on ware after pitt.
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Don’t worry AL is gonna panic soon!!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Mistic1
you did waffle, first you said grads, then you changed to campbell as the best option ( during the streak), then you wormed your way back to grads after the steeler game. nest time go with cane syrup, it will make the waffle taste better when your eating it.
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I said I understood why Campbell got the nod after going 4-1. I always said I thought Grad was better.
Never during the streak did I say Campbell was better or the best option or whatever.
I reminded you constantly that the team won with anyway, not because of him.
YA is right, the problem is deeper than Grad v. Jason.
Its a wash at best. And it’s done.
Deer in the Headlights biggest fan currently = LA to TheBay.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Stop crying and contribute something useful or interesting, otherwise do us a favor and go away.
I just comment on the game or on my opinion regarding validity of comments. You want the last word, which is feminine trait by the way, and I’m not concerned if you are interested in my comment although you obviously are because you keep responding. Let’s go J Campbell. ZMiller don’t play if you’re not ready Myers woud’ve been more effective starting the last two weeks. Nnamdi has to give 100% of what he has in him. Our pass rush has to resurface. Hue Jack needs call run run run. And our oline really has to step the f up!
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Stick to your guns bra, your you tried to call me out. You made a stink about jc, you dont like him. You got clowned by grads weak performance now your acting as if you have been diagnosing the problem the whole time, and i suddenly attacked you.
pathetic.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Mistic, who were these “most observers” you speak of, who deemed whatever Grad/JC controversy there was to be over 3 weeks ago? Anyone credible?
November 30th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
738.Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
November 30th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
MR,
Repeat after me ” It is GREAT to be a RAIDER fan” and ” I love the RAIDERS”!
You can cut and past MR, just let us hear you say it, CLEARLY!
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C’mon Ski, let me hear you say Ohh Ahh….
November 30th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
740.RaiderWill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Cable is a racist he doesnt like black qbs.
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Hue Jackson said he’s been behind all the JC benching so far. Is he a racist too?
November 30th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Source?
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# aig-raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Hue Jackson said he’s been behind all the JC benching so far. Is he a racist too?
November 30th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
We’ll step up for this one, Seymour is too good a leader on D and Cable, yes Cable, is too good an oline coach. Hue realizes he f’d up by giving up on the run. We’ll be in the game and Rivers won’t go for 500 yards again. The key will be our Wr’s making plays, big plays in general, and turnovers. It’ll be a low scoring game, we’ll shut down their run and contain Rivers.
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More proof that you are clueless. how any one can call cable a good oline coach after this debacle for the last two years is outrageous. we cant pass protect we dont run block well and cables hand picked line men have been a train wreck.
beating the chargers will be about our o-line, can they run block. will they give our qb time?
I dont see our banged up secondary with out namdi and ware and cj ( 2 of our top 3 cover corners) containing rivers at all.
stop posting and do us all a favor
November 30th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Mistic, who were these “most observers” you speak of, who deemed whatever Grad/JC controversy there was to be over 3 weeks ago? Anyone credible?
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Do you respect guys like romo, gannon, and namdi? they all supported Jc starting after the broncos game?
RMR give it a rest, beating the hell out of you yet again is making my typing fingers tired.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Here’s an article for Kool Kell. It’s about race and how QBs are treated. Jason Campbell is featured.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=hill/101123
November 30th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Hue Jackson said he’s been behind all the JC benching so far. Is he a racist too?
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I was being a bit sarcastic there mate. But it sure does seem like it given the fact that Campbell has yet to have a fair chance at getting the job permanently. Not to mention he’s the first qb to go on a 3 game win streak in 7 years.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
# mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
stop posting and do us all a favor
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Do eeet!
November 30th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I read that article that was pretty iteresting.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
MR, why are you stirring up race as if KKKell needs to be prompted.
Better yet why does the MOD allow the racist post from you people?
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A.B. Paine III Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Here’s an article for Kool Kell. It’s about race and how QBs are treated. Jason Campbell is featured.
November 30th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
From the ESPN article:
“The impatience the Raiders have shown with Campbell is stunning. They gave up a fourth-round pick to get him, and were convinced he was the answer after things went south with draft bust JaMarcus Russell, another black quarterback.
Campbell will start on Sunday against Miami, but it’s baffling that he’s still fighting with Bruce Gradkowski — whose career record as a starter is 5-11 — for the No. 1 job.”
November 30th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Poor JC, life is hard.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
“The impatience the Raiders have shown with Campbell is stunning. They gave up a fourth-round pick to get him, and were convinced he was the answer after things went south with draft bust JaMarcus Russell, another black quarterback.
Campbell will start on Sunday against Miami, but it’s baffling that he’s still fighting with Bruce Gradkowski — whose career record as a starter is 5-11 — for the No. 1 job.”
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Its sad, he truley is the best option. The man cant get the respect he deserves. I dont care what anyone says Gradkowski is a Cable’s guy. I dont think if Hue was the HC he would have this qb shuffling.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
We should all send JC an email. Encouraging him and letting him know we are all behind him. It gets me nalstalgic just thinking of the big guy and all he’s gone through. Tear****
November 30th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
BSPN article…the writer Jemele forgot to realize that Hue Jackson said he wanted to bench JC in the first game and he is usually the first one to call for the benching. So I guess that makes Hue a racist too.
Hue proclaimed after the STL game he was the one that benched JC and wanted to bench JC even in the first game. He rolled out last week to acknowledge he was the one that yanked JC in the Pitt game.
But why let the facts get in the way and let’s make up more excuses for JC. And you wonder why mainstream Americans dont take the race card seriously anymore when there is absolutely ZERO accountability and credibility.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Campbell was terrible against the Steelers, and I thought that Grads would have been better in that game. But, I also thought Campbell was the longer term answer. After seeing Grads horrible performance against the Dolphins, I never want to see him play another game in a Raider uniform. I would keep Campbell and bring in another QB to compete with JC.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
I don’t think coaches and management are racist at all. But, I certainly believe many of the fans are.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/09/22/hue-jackson-qa-2/
Brownie, there’s your source.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
“The history of black quarterbacks in the NFL isn’t pretty. Things have come a long way since Williams played, but it would be foolish to think that lingering perceptions and biases don’t still exist. ”
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So true. Witness this blog.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
451.Carl Weathers Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 8:59 am
All you guys that want Cable fired, who is your idea as a replacement? There is no one that will do the job any differnt than Cable. One puppet follows the other…
Raiders HC job description:
~Make friends with players and give Al’s favourites special treatment.
~Keep all personnel moves from media.
~Act like you are in charge.
~Replace toilet paper in Al’s private bath.
~Use a Raiders electric toothbrush.
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Yeah. The only thing more tedious than watching this franchise implode year after year is reading the reactions on this board; fire the coach, can the quarterback, hare-brained mock drafts. Ha! Some folks will never get it.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
I think Cable is just being superstitious with Gradkowski. But after this last showing I guarantee you the superstition is gone. He thinks he saved his job and is going to save his season. Not so fast my freind!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Ohioraider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Yeah. The only thing more tedious than watching this franchise implode year after year is reading the reactions on this board; fire the coach, can the quarterback, hare-brained mock drafts. Ha! Some folks will never get it.
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Sooooooo Freaking Truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
I almost got banned last nite, gaging on that stuff.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
the Raiders could trade 2nd & 3rd rounders for Kevin Kolb and he’d be the 2nd coming of Josh McCown (Raiders/Lions trade).
the Titans could trade just a 2nd for him and he’d be the 2nd coming of Matt Schaub (Falcons/Texans trade).
Just our luck, I guess
November 30th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
the Raiders could trade 2nd & 3rd rounders for Kevin Kolb and he’d be the 2nd coming of Josh McCown (Raiders/Lions trade).
the Titans could trade just a 2nd for him and he’d be the 2nd coming of Matt Schaub (Falcons/Texans trade).
Just our luck, I guess
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Just our luck? It’s not luck. It’s Al Davis.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
The Raiders never really have had great amazing QBS. They got guys with big arms that made limited mistakes. Kinda like Jason Campbell. But the one thing they have had is talent around that qb and great offensive lines. I truly believe maybe just maybe if we got a good o-line Campbell may be able to succeed. I will say this if Gannon would of started his carrer earlier in Oakland he would of been a sure hall of famer.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
1:12
[Comment From RaiderfanNY]
Hi Jerry — Has Cable addressed Gradkowski’s health going INTO the Miami game? It sure looked like he was still hurt and couldn’t throw at all.
1:12
jerrymac: He said Gradkowski was fine and healthy. Gradkowski said the same thing. Let’s face it. Gradkowski’s strengths did not include a big arm.
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LOL! Just what were his strengths anyway?
November 30th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Aig,
HJ said all things go through the Head coach, moron. HJ doesnt do anything on his own and the HC doesn’t do anything without AL’s blessing.
Wakeup you fuktard..
November 30th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
It’s not really “just our luck”. It’s about the way the team is run.
The way Al wants to play football, every position on this team needs to have above-average players in order to be successful.
If, for example, Sean Payton and Gregg Williams came here and freely implemented their own schemes, I’m confident that within one offseason you’d be looking at a team that would actually stand a very good chance of winning the division. The roster wouldn’t need to be blown up. A good coaching staff takes the pieces in place and makes the most of them.
But that’s simply not how it is. Al wants the Raiders to play football a certain way. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but pretending that isn’t the case doesn’t do any good.
To play Al Davis football and win consistently, every starting position has to be filled with a guy who can beat up the guy in front of him. And that’s not what the Raiders have. The WRs can’t get off the line, don’t run clean routes, and don’t come back to the ball. only two of the Raider offensive lineman can run block or pass protect to any extent whatsoever. The defensive line freelances constantly, and plays with no discipline. The back seven gets run ragged because all they play is man-to-man coverage, and they can’t stay off the field for more than three downs at a time.
Either the next offseason has to bring in big-time talent, or Al Davis has to relent control. It’s more realistic to expect the former than the latter as long as Al is alive.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
It’s a shame that she tried to tie in Vince Young (i’m not man enough to apologize to you in person) and JC with Doug Williams. Doug Williams earned his way to the top. JC never earned his way anywhere. He was GIVEN the starting job here and they continually fired OC’s to accommodate JC in Wash.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
The Raiders have never been a QB friendly offense.
“Hold the Ball, till the deep one opens.”
-Not a recipe for high pass completion %
November 30th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Brown, who effin makes the recommendation to bench JC. Did it started with Hue? I know you have trouble reading and remembering so I’ll refress your memory below again…..
QB switch was Jackson’s idea
By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 am in Oakland Raiders.
Rather than produce a quarterback to talk with the media Wednesday, the Raiders Hue Jackson bat leadoff with reporters, who learned that it was the offensive coordinator who suggested switching to Bruce Gradkowski in a 16-14 win over the Rams.
Jackson said coach Tom Cable would likely name the starter when the head coach met the media later that afternoon.
Jackson said owner Al Davis gives him “great latitude” with the offense and said it was his determination that he didn’t see enough energy in the first half and went to Cable with the change.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
JC never earned his way anywhere. He was GIVEN the starting job here
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If they were giving away starting jobs in Oakland, why didn’t you go get one?
November 30th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
It’s funny how when things go wrong it’s all TC’s faults but Hue gets all the credit when things go well. Hue made it clear he’s the first one to make the call on the QB but for some reason some Black posters on here seem to place all the blame on Tom. Pathetic.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Hue made it clear he’s the first one to make the call on the QB but for some reason some Black posters on here seem to place all the blame on Tom. Pathetic.
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What black posters?
November 30th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Are you guys still arguing Grads VS. Campbell?!?!?
It’s over. Grads is out for the season maybe ever at 1220 HarbourBay Parkway.
Campbell will get his shot against the hated Chargirls. He will likely play as he so consistently does. Mediocre and a bit slow but with a decent arm except on flea-flicker plays.
He will fail or succeed based on how well we run the rock. It will have to be a LOT better than in the 9Ball, Squeeler, or Fish games. Campbell will get eaten alive if we start having -2 and -3 ypc on 1st and 2nd downs.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
I blame the black light posters.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Campbell’s 3rd game out of his last 10 against the Chargers.
No excuse not to be comfortable facing their D, no matter how good it may be.
You just never play the same team that many times in that short of a period.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Aig, give your Campbell hate a rest. I know you are a little upset about your boy Gradkowski being out, but JC is our QB now.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Yeah AIG Bruce is a good backup and IR guy.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Running game won’t work until we start completing some meaningful passes and score some points through the air.
5 O-lineman, a TE and a FB can’t block 8 guys.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
JFB
I just think they need a few goto plays on 3rd & 8.
Convert 3rd downs. They are one of the worst teams on 3rd down.
Bang the ball, pick up a decent percentage of 3rd downs. Keep the opposing Defense on the field for a change. Wear them down.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
BSPN article…the writer Jemele forgot to realize that Hue Jackson said he wanted to bench JC in the first game and he is usually the first one to call for the benching. So I guess that makes Hue a racist too.
Hue proclaimed after the STL game he was the one that benched JC and wanted to bench JC even in the first game. He rolled out last week to acknowledge he was the one that yanked JC in the Pitt game.
But why let the facts get in the way and let’s make up more excuses for JC. And you wonder why mainstream Americans dont take the race card seriously anymore when there is absolutely ZERO accountability and credibility.
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Your lack of depth is astounding, you missed the point. It wasnt about jc, jc was used as an example of a larger issue.
There is no such thing as a race card, racism in america is real and its not a game.
I could give a rats a$$ about your take on the way black people are treated in this country.
Its a black thing….you wouldnt understand.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
The Bruce thing is OVER. All the debate aint going to bring him back in for another start. That ship has sailed as ArmChair like to say.
You guys bring up the race card and I just want to make sure you guys remember who benched JC to begin with.
November 30th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Mistic,
What point was that? You mean she used JC’s benching to make her case when she completely forgot that a Black coach was the one that wanted to bench him in even in the first game? Who’s delusional now?
November 30th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Cable is ultimately responsible for who the QB is, right?
November 30th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Q & A with Barney Rubble
Q – Did Betty do something to you over the bye week? Frankly you and the team seemed to have lost your way.
Barney – Uh…we stayed the course.
Q – You mean she did nothing differently during the bye week? ’cause you and the team seem distracted.
Barney – Staying the course requires nothing new and needs no changes. Besides, if Murphy ran better routes we would not be having this conversation.
Q – Staying the course means changing QBs each week, or each quarter?
Barney – Exactly. It is talked about all the time and staying the course is the same whoever is QB.
Q – Staying the course with a rudderless ship into a gale isn’t as easy as it sounds is it?
Barney – Gale Rudder? I don’t think I know her.
Q – Some say that you are not really Barney Rubble, but that you are really Curly.
Barney – Woo woo woo woob woo!
November 30th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
The problem is Al.
In all fairness, Campbell was a stop gap and Gradkowski was brought on board as a backup.
-Al drafted who 70-80% of Raider Nation, myself included, wanted at #1 overall.
-He reportedly went after Vick, Big Ben, and McNabb. Possibly others. When he couldn;t get the guys he wanted, he got Campbell at a bargain.
It’s still a work in progress and Al doesn’t give a sh;t what we think.
Many of us thought the team was a good QB away from being a playoff team. Being that we don’t have any, it’s still tough to say.
Will a QB fix all of this? Will better O Linemen and WRs fix all of this? Better head coach? All of the above?
I think with a solid QB, better coaching and everything else the same, we have a chance, but Al’s constant meddling will always hold the team back.
That’s just the way it is. You just have to hope we win with what we got.
Even at 81, Al’s thinking long term and doesn’t give a sh;t that we aren’t winning now.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
You’re right I’ll never understand the Black thing so long as you refuse to hold any black athlete to be accountable for their actions. Keep the excuses coming Mistic.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
I would like a better head coach (Jeff Fisher) but if you guys think Cable is calling out his players esp. with regard to the Murphy play, give it a rest. He answered the freakin question..who cares if Murphy gets pouty about it, he did duck under it..it was the truth, The players need to be held accountable for their actions (and inactions) as well as the Head Coach. These players are NOT performing like professionals, Cable ain’t out there dropping passes, holding receivers, throwing wounded ducks, not making reads, jumping offsides, and whiffing on tackles. C-mon Man, players need to make plays, these guys just sit around and mourn and whine when things don’t go their way and they fold like a house of cards. You gotta be a football player and play!
November 30th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Aig, Jackson isn’t the head coach. Why should she even consider the offensive coordinator in her piece. She shouldn’t.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
You guys bring up the race card and I just want to make sure you guys remember who benched JC to begin with.
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The responses were predictable.
Racism is not an issue in the NFL.
Stop pulling the race card.
Quit whining.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=hill/101123
November 30th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Murphy’s been disappointing.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
You’re right I’ll never understand the Black thing so long as you refuse to hold any black athlete to be accountable for their actions. Keep the excuses coming Mistic.
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What the hell are you talking about, you dont know as usual. i have never absolved any player of wrong doing because of their skin color, you seem to be the one fixated on race, and making offensive “race card” blast.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
I’m a huge Murphy fan and he has tremendously disappointed me this year. I hope it was only a sophomore slump. Dropped a key pass earlier this year, fumbled the ball against Pitt and cut a route short along with alligator arms. I think he was ticked he didnt get the start last Sunday. they promoted Ford over him and kept DHB as the other starter.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Mistic,
What point was that? You mean she used JC’s benching to make her case when she completely forgot that a Black coach was the one that wanted to bench him in even in the first game? Who’s delusional now?
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You are ridiculous dude. The oc must get approval from the head coach, of course that is the premise of this article.
Again this article is about black qbs’ in general, not campbell and the raiders specifically.
reading and comprehension may not be your strong suit, but do you have to remind us of this on a daily basis?
November 30th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
And if you guys think JC got benched because he is black, I cannot possibly roll my eyes any harder at that statement. Give me a break! If Campbell played anywhere NEAR the level of a GOOD quarterback, he wouldn’t have been benched, plain and simple. You race card guys REALLY make yourselves look stupid by using those excuses. Give me a freakin break, Michael Vick is a freakin Felon and there ain’t enough seats on that dudes bandwagon, and it’s not because he’s a good guy…
November 30th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
More proof that you are clueless. how any one can call cable a good oline coach after this debacle for the last two years is outrageous. we cant pass protect we dont run block well and cables hand picked line men have been a train wreck.
beating the chargers will be about our o-line, can they run block. will they give our qb time?
I dont see our banged up secondary with out namdi and ware and cj ( 2 of our top 3 cover corners) containing rivers at all.
stop posting and do us all a favor
in 06 Cables oline helped Atlanta lead the league in rushing, in 07 the Raiders oline under Cable was 6th in the league in rushing. DMAC has how many yards rushing this year with an oline consisting of a rookie out of a div II school at LT, a bust at LG, Samson Satele who block a NT, Cooper Carlisle who’s the worse of the bunch this year, and Langston Walker a Buffalo castoff. Once again I comment about my team and about comments but I don’t blast anyone because a real man doesn’t talk sh!%. A real man handles business if he has a problem
November 30th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
I think Murphy will be fine. He may never be a #1 or #2 go-to guy, but I think he’s one of the players on this team that will benefit most from consistent QB play when and if the Raiders ever find it.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
The problem is Al.
In all fairness, Campbell was a stop gap and Gradkowski was brought on board as a backup.
-Al drafted who 70-80% of Raider Nation, myself included, wanted at #1 overall.
-He reportedly went after Vick, Big Ben, and McNabb. Possibly others. When he couldn;t get the guys he wanted, he got Campbell at a bargain.
It’s still a work in progress and Al doesn’t give a sh;t what we think.
Many of us thought the team was a good QB away from being a playoff team. Being that we don’t have any, it’s still tough to say.
Will a QB fix all of this? Will better O Linemen and WRs fix all of this? Better head coach? All of the above?
I think with a solid QB, better coaching and everything else the same, we have a chance, but Al’s constant meddling will always hold the team back.
That’s just the way it is. You just have to hope we win with what we got.
Even at 81, Al’s thinking long term and doesn’t give a sh;t that we aren’t winning now.
=========================================================== it wasnt davis meddling that ruined our shot at beating miami and being solid in mediocrity.
It was cables meddling that doomed us back to realm of bottom feeders.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Mistic,
I just showed you an article that said Jackson was the one that made the call to switch. He signed off on it FIRST then came Tom. But hey let’s hold Tom Cable accountable why dont we? Why? Because Jackson is your boy and he can do no wrong.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
# MikieG Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
And if you guys think JC got benched because he is black, I cannot possibly roll my eyes any harder at that statement. Give me a break! If Campbell played anywhere NEAR the level of a GOOD quarterback, he wouldn’t have been benched, plain and simple. You race card guys REALLY make yourselves look stupid by using those excuses. Give me a freakin break, Michael Vick is a freakin Felon and there ain’t enough seats on that dudes bandwagon, and it’s not because he’s a good guy…
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Who said campbell was benched because he was black? Correct me if im wrong but the discussion was about a magazine article that attempts to cover the black qb issue
November 30th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
in 06 Cables oline helped Atlanta lead the league in rushing, in 07 the Raiders oline under Cable was 6th in the league in rushing. DMAC has how many yards rushing this year with an oline consisting of a rookie out of a div II school at LT, a bust at LG, Samson Satele who block a NT, Cooper Carlisle who’s the worse of the bunch this year, and Langston Walker a Buffalo castoff. Once again I comment about my team and about comments but I don’t blast anyone because a real man doesn’t talk sh!%. A real man handles business if he has a problem
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are you trying to be funny, you tried on several occasiosn to “blast” me and call me out. Dont back pedal now. By the way didnt vick rush for 1000 yds in 06 or close to it. Vicks rushing from the qb scramble inflated that teams rushing total, he is a fraud
November 30th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Mistic,
I just showed you an article that said Jackson was the one that made the call to switch. He signed off on it FIRST then came Tom. But hey let’s hold Tom Cable accountable why dont we? Why? Because Jackson is your boy and he can do no wrong.
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I havent debated with you on weather it was jackson or cable since st.louis. It was before jackson said he pulled campbell. Dont know what you are talking about.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Murphy has had some issues this year, but in my opinion, he and Ford are the only WRs worth keeping. The rest are garbage, including DHB. I don’t care how hard he’s been working. And forget the “we should have taken crabtree thing”. He’s not much better.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Y’all can take it to the bank.
JaSoup will not be inducted into the Hall of Fame in Canton.
Popgun will not be inducted into the Hall of Fame in Canton.
Boller will not be inducted into the Hall of Fame in Canton.
Any questions?
November 30th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Do you respect guys like romo, gannon, and namdi? they all supported Jc starting after the broncos game?
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Show me where Rich Gannon declares the JC/Grad controversy to be over. Links, please.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
-Al drafted who 70-80% of Raider Nation, myself included, wanted at #1 overall.
-He reportedly went after Vick, Big Ben, and McNabb. Possibly others. When he couldn;t get the guys he wanted, he got Campbell at a bargain.
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Don’t see how this could be a problem.
The coach didn’t want Jamarcus and he tried to get him someone else, to your point.
Coach didn’t like the LBs, went out and got 3 new ones.
Al Davis LIVES!
November 30th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
And tell me whay we can’t se what Bruce Campbell ahs to offer at this point? And henerson at Rt as well. what the hell do we have to lose at this point? We need to see what we do or don’t have.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Do you respect guys like romo, gannon, and namdi? they all supported Jc starting after the broncos game?
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Show me where Rich Gannon declares the JC/Grad controversy to be over. Links, please.
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He supported jc in a raido interview, after denver i dont have a link for it. Dont believe it doesnt matter, what about namdi and romo? dont consider them credible?
November 30th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
MR, why are you stirring up race as if KKKell needs to be prompted.
Better yet why does the MOD allow the racist post from you people?
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There are at least 3 people who are reminded that you’re insane every time you insist that me and AB Paine are the same person. Myself, Paine, and any and all moderators. So keep it up, for our entertainment.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
# No Mas Diamante Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
And tell me whay we can’t se what Bruce Campbell ahs to offer at this point? And henerson at Rt as well. what the hell do we have to lose at this point? We need to see what we do or don’t have.
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Im afarid cable is on thin ice, he wont go with a youth movement to build for the future, he wants to win with his guys now, to save his job.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
FUNNIEST LINE OF THE DAY:
RaiderWill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
The Raiders never really have had great amazing QBS. They got guys with big arms that made limited mistakes. Kinda like Jason Campbell.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
It’s not really “just our luck”. It’s about the way the team is run.
The way Al wants to play football, every position on this team needs to have above-average players in order to be successful.
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Then why are you blaming Cable?
November 30th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
But the right side of the ol is in shambles. Coop carlile was a good player but he is past it and walker is a turnstyle. Did you see the rookie guard Ilupati or whatever his name is, last night? What a freakin road grader. we need guys like that!
November 30th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
are you trying to be funny, you tried on several occasiosn to “blast” me and call me out. Dont back pedal now. By the way didnt vick rush for 1000 yds in 06 or close to it. Vicks rushing from the qb scramble inflated that teams rushing total, he is a fraud
never blasted you and the comments prove it. I said that I’ve admit Gradkowski was the wrong choice and blame a lot of the loss on him and that’d i’d hope you’d give some blame to Campbell if/when he warrants it. With the Raiders Cable has had a scrap heap to work with and I’d argue he’s done well considering the players he has. He’s done wonders for our best olineman Gallery. What he’s done with Veldheer allows us to look somewhere other than LT during the draft. When he’s gone he’ll make someones oline better than they are at least that’s my guess.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
I think cable makes horrible personel moves. thats whay he needs to go. now. if he’s on thin ice then i hope his fat ass cracks it real soon. he’s a checker player in a room full of chess players. sorry. just saying…
November 30th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Al doesn’t give a sh;t what we think.
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Yes he does. You think he manufactured this wannabe mobster image because he doesn’t care what people think? Al Davis spends more time mulling over his perception to the public than probably any other owner in sports, even more so than Mark Cuban. That’s the myth about Al. That he doesn’t care what anyone thinks. Every single thing Al does is to get attention, and to let everyone know that he is the Oakland Raiders and the Oakland Raiders are him. Al has the maturity of a 15 year old when it comes to image and what people think of him.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
You’re right I’ll never understand the Black thing so long as you refuse to hold any black athlete to be accountable for their actions. Keep the excuses coming Mistic.
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How do you know he’s never held a black athlete accountable? Don’t start this.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
i think weve all been mesmerized by gradkowski and a couple of his late comebacks, but what has he ever done for us? the cincinnati game was alright, but even the pitt game last year where he threw the ball RIGHT TO A STELLER and the guy dropped it. He did ok vs arizona and houston (who suck defensively) and hes done nothing else. i beleive hes 1-3 or 1-4 this year and wasnt all that last year.
I like JC at qb, we just need a better O line. Receivers arent THAT bad…
November 30th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Mistic,
I dont think you even bothered to read the BSPN article. Let me summarize it for you. It was about the lack of respect for current Black QB’s and she went on to use McNabb, JC and VY to make her case. VY was not man enough to apologize to Fisher in person but rather via text. Great example there. JC was benched by a black coach. Another great example to back her case on racial inequality for Black QB’s. I hope you catch my sarcasm.
You get it now? Her stupid article is one of the ,amy reasons why mainstream Americans get CYNICAL when they hear the race card being played.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
AIG, if you honestly think people here are defending Campbell because he’s black, it’s best you keep those feelings to yourself, because you can’t prove it anyway. When you do make the accusation, it only makes people wonder if the reason you in fact support Gradkowski is because he’s white. So no point in taking it there. Drop it.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
LOL yall too funny today……but dont trip we still got life….just dont give up!…..BAUCE!
November 30th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
never blasted you and the comments prove it. I said that I’ve admit Gradkowski was the wrong choice and blame a lot of the loss on him and that’d i’d hope you’d give some blame to Campbell if/when he warrants it. With the Raiders Cable has had a scrap heap to work with and I’d argue he’s done well considering the players he has. He’s done wonders for our best olineman Gallery. What he’s done with Veldheer allows us to look somewhere other than LT during the draft. When he’s gone he’ll make someones oline better than they are at least that’s my guess.
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We dont agree on cable, thats fine.
But dont soften up now. Are you saying you never called me names for saying grads was a fraud?!?!?
November 30th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Come on yall with the race crap……at end ofthe day it will get ya nowhere…..chill brothers
November 30th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
# MikieG Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Michael Vick is a freakin Felon and there ain’t enough seats on that dudes bandwagon, and it’s not because he’s a good guy…
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Actually, it is because he’s a good guy. He did his crime and did his time, has made amends for it, and has dedicated more money and resources to stop the very crimes he’s committed than most of his critics combined. Vick was a victim of fake outrage, anyway. Everyone knew dog fighting existed, and nobody cared until the Vick story broke. Several news specials on it, no feedback. HBO did a really good undercover documentary on it. No buzz, whatsoever. The Vick scandal breaks, and suddenly PETA’s pulling in record numbers of members. Vick did a horrible thing and paid the price. Now he’s doing everything right. He’s being supported because he is a good person.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
FUNNIEST LINE OF THE DAY:
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Do you have an argument or is that all your gonna say ? I wonder how much you really know about raiders football or the history of the raiders. Raider Qb’s have not been amazing by any means. Im not saying Jason Campbell is as good as past qb backs but he is your prototypical raider qb. The biggest difference between him and qbs of the past is the talent around him and the offensive line. Great Raider teams have great offensive lines and alot of talent that give the QB weapons. Now stop being ignorant f**** and make an argument next time you got something to say.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Mr.
I can give a schytt what people think of me on race. I’ll call it like it is. If they dont like it, then tough schytt. It wasnt long ago that I once defended Jawalrus on here for his low turn over ratio compared to Elway in their first few years, but he eventually soured on me.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
it wasnt davis meddling that ruined our shot at beating miami and being solid in mediocrity.
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Really? Is that why he said he was heavily involved before the season started?
November 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Mistic,
I dont think you even bothered to read the BSPN article. Let me summarize it for you. It was about the lack of respect for current Black QB’s and she went on to use McNabb, JC and VY to make her case. VY was not man enough to apologize to Fisher in person but rather via text. Great example there. JC was benched by a black coach. Another great example to back her case on racial inequality for Black QB’s. I hope you catch my sarcasm.
You get it now? Her stupid article is one of the ,amy reasons why mainstream Americans get CYNICAL when they hear the race card being played.
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What the hell is a main stream american?
The article is what i said it was, an attempt to cover the plight of black qbs. Which is only a symptom to a larger problem in society as a whole.
You are disturbingly dense if you dont get it. you may not agree with her examples but the underlying meaning of the article is spot on. Who cares if your cycnical.
For the last time, the term race card is offensive. it implies that being black is optional and convenient. It is neither. please let it go
November 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Someone who’s “heavily involved” should be blamed heavily, right? It’s not our fault Al Davis came right out and confessed to something you guys have been denying. LOL.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Raider Head Coaches, can’t even select their own staff.
Blaming Tom Cable for anything, except his weight and assault charges is ridiculous.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
it wasnt davis meddling that ruined our shot at beating miami and being solid in mediocrity.
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Really? Is that why he said he was heavily involved before the season started?
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Your talking about before the season, im talking about the miami game. cable tried to fix what wasnt broken benched our qb killed our teams chance of winning and started a locker room revolt. cable did that not davis
November 30th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
We dont agree on cable, thats fine.
But dont soften up now. Are you saying you never called me names for saying grads was a fraud?!?!?
Names? come on now you must be mistaking me for someone else. Aint nothing soft. Barking is not my thing. I think Cables a good Oline coach and I would love a better head coach but I understand it’s hard to attract a good head coach with Al running the show and I don’t think we should fire our head coach during the season when we still have a chance. I was wrong about Bruce i could be wrong about this one. If we win this game and that’s a HUGE if, Cable deserves props.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Raider Head Coaches, can’t even select their own staff.
Blaming Tom Cable for anything, except his weight and assault charges is ridiculous.
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So let me get this rite you cant blame an offensive of line coach for the poor offensive line play ? This is cables area of expertise my friend. And it stinks like yesterdays diapers he deserves alot of the blame for how we are getting pushed around.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
# mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
He supported jc in a raido interview, after denver i dont have a link for it. Dont believe it doesnt matter, what about namdi and romo? dont consider them credible?
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I didn’t ask you if Gannon supported JC in an radio interview. And what radio interview? No tiki, no laundry, Mistic. You need a link if you’re going to attribute your arguments to notable figures.
And, no, I do not think Nnamdi and Romo are credible. Nnamdi is on the team, of course he’s going to toe the company line. Al Davis signs his checks, genius. Romo is a roid head. He’s basically about as credible as the average fan.
You said that “most observers” declared the JC/BG controversy over weeks ago, with JC being the victor. I asked you to name one. You named Gannon. Now I’m asking you for proof, you’ve got none. You’re a liar. You think JC won the QB job, and that’s about it. To the rest of the world, it’s still a controversy. Even to the Raiders. They had no idea who was starting last week. Louis Murphy didn’t know who was starting.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
MR,
Repeat after me ” It is GREAT to be a RAIDER fan” and ” I love the RAIDERS”!
You can cut and past MR, just let us hear you say it, CLEARLY!
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C’mon Ski, let me hear you say Ohh Ahh….
November 30th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
ANOTHER ZINGER FROM THE BLOG’S RESIDENT COMEDIAN:
RaiderWill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Im not saying Jason Campbell is as good as past qb backs but he is your prototypical raider qb.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
So let me get this rite you cant blame an offensive of line coach for the poor offensive line play ? This is cables area of expertise my friend. And it stinks like yesterdays diapers he deserves alot of the blame for how we are getting pushed around.
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He doesn’t control the draft or the scheme, the building, his staff. It’s Al Davis’ show and everyone in the building knows it.
The years and years of Raider ineptitude has very, very little do to with any one Coach.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
aig-raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Mr.
I can give a schytt what people think of me on race. I’ll call it like it is. If they dont like it, then tough schytt.
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Fair enough, then. I’m sure you’ve got thick enough skin to handle this: I think you want Gradkowski to start because he’s white.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Raider Head Coaches, can’t even select their own staff.
Blaming Tom Cable for anything, except his weight and assault charges is ridiculous.
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Post of the day !!!
November 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
MR, if Al cared what the fans think, why would he make the decisions he has?
Just curious what leads you to believe he cares.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
ANOTHER ZINGER FROM THE BLOG’S RESIDENT COMEDIAN:
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Another moron that knows nothing about football or the Raiders whats so ever.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
What the hell is a main stream american?
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Exactly. If AIG wants to be an authority on race, he might want to drop the Fox News terminology.
November 30th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
False
LK brought in his own guys.
Shell brought in Walsh & Slater…
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KoolKell Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Raider Head Coaches, can’t even select their own staff.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Never is the race card played by anyone who isn’t racist.
Most use it as a copout for a hero who failed. Or to explain why they are a failure. Just the way it is.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
MR/A.B
Are you watching the Reps put the clamps on pres purp lips out of control spending and tax hikes?
Throwing those Dems out of office is paying dividends already!
mope & change
November 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
We dont agree on cable, thats fine.
But dont soften up now. Are you saying you never called me names for saying grads was a fraud?!?!?
Names? come on now you must be mistaking me for someone else. Aint nothing soft. Barking is not my thing. I think Cables a good Oline coach and I would love a better head coach but I understand it’s hard to attract a good head coach with Al running the show and I don’t think we should fire our head coach during the season when we still have a chance. I was wrong about Bruce i could be wrong about this one. If we win this game and that’s a HUGE if, Cable deserves props.
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Ok my mistake, perhaps i did confuse you with another.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
While Cable’s staff was being selected, wasn’t Cable off somewhere? Wasn’t even officially hired until after the staff was selected.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
KKKell did you read this post?
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# Tank Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Never is the race card played by anyone who isn’t racist.
Most use it as a copout for a hero who failed. Or to explain why they are a failure. Just the way it is.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Your talking about before the season, im talking about the miami game.
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I’m talking about Al Davis claiming very recently that he’s heavily involved with football operations. If someone submits they are heavily involved, shouldn’t they be heavily blamed when things fail? Al Davis is heavily involved with what we’re seeing with the Raiders right now. Source: Al Davis.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Exciting stuff, Schilens almost back.
Now all we have to do is keep him completely off of his foot, forever, to make sure it doesn’t fail again. Jogging can be hell on brittle bones.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
It was nice having that 3 game stretch wasn’t it?
Raiders were probably playoff bound.
Tom Cable was coach of the year.
JC wasn’t garbage (and Bruce was a hero).
Well, the season’s not over but if we lose to SD, things are pretty bleak. Sunday’s a playoff game, gentlemen and gentlemen.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
I believe so and last year AL was interviewing his replacement just down the hall from Toms “office”. A nice gesture of loyalty & confidence.
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Tank Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
While Cable’s staff was being selected, wasn’t Cable off somewhere?
November 30th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
MR, if Al cared what the fans think, why would he make the decisions he has?
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Generally his many stooges won’t hold him accountable.
But, like I said the other day, he’s got his 3 rings and Yellow Jacket.
I don’t think he gives a damn about his players. He’s more interested in his PR and image, than he is about Nnamdi getting a ring, for instance.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
It’s hard to win a football game when you best offensive player(Brad Miller) and your best defensive player(Aso) are both injured.
We don’t have enough talent to make up for the loss of those two.
They might try making D.H. Bust into a safety. He’s big and fast and can’t catch. Sounds like a safety to me. Likewise, Bruce Campbell looks more like a defensive end than an offensive guard.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
MR, if Al cared what the fans think, why would he make the decisions he has?
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Because he’s delusional and still thinks his way can work. That doesn’t do anything to refute the idea that Al cares what people think. Being delusional is typically a symptom of caring too much what people think of you.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Mr and Mistic,
Ok I’ll replace mainstream with White Americans. Better?
November 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Sup Mista……be happy you werent there to see that BS
November 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
My grandfather is the same age as Al. Actually a year younger.
There was once upon a time he was sharp, witty, and decisive. Very logical, and always thought things through. Last 10 years or so, he’s become more and more forgetful. More stubborn. Makes decisions that make no sense. Won’t listen to reason.
Sad watching him morph.
Just like it’s sad watching Al morph.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Mr and Mistic,
Ok I’ll replace mainstream with White Americans. Better?
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Why be baited into that man?
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
KKKellout do something productive with your life and quit ragging on AL. He doesn’t care about you or what you say in here 18hrs a day.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Throwing those Dems out of office is paying dividends already!
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No doubt Republicans are back in charge. You could see it on Black Friday with all of the fights at Wal Marts.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Bauce!
Waddup bro
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
# mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
He supported jc in a raido interview, after denver i dont have a link for it. Dont believe it doesnt matter, what about namdi and romo? dont consider them credible?
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I didn’t ask you if Gannon supported JC in an radio interview. And what radio interview? No tiki, no laundry, Mistic. You need a link if you’re going to attribute your arguments to notable figures.
And, no, I do not think Nnamdi and Romo are credible. Nnamdi is on the team, of course he’s going to toe the company line. Al Davis signs his checks, genius. Romo is a roid head. He’s basically about as credible as the average fan.
You said that “most observers” declared the JC/BG controversy over weeks ago, with JC being the victor. I asked you to name one. You named Gannon. Now I’m asking you for proof, you’ve got none. You’re a liar. You think JC won the QB job, and that’s about it. To the rest of the world, it’s still a controversy. Even to the Raiders. They had no idea who was starting last week. Louis Murphy didn’t know who was starting.
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RMR,
your routine is tired. this is the part where you try and take part of my statement twist it into a never ending discussion of semantics. Its garbage. You dont like the word “most” its fine.
many observers thought the qb question was solved when cable named campbell the starter, only to change and say its bruce this week. Many observers include former and current raider players. You dont think they are credible, and that is your right no matter how moronic your take is.
namdi current player, romo former player super bowl champ,and co host of raiders post game. gannon former player tv analyst and talk show host disagree with you. I tend to believe them over you.
Thanks for playing though
November 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
I know when to sell.
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# Bauce 2 Dope Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Sup Mista……be happy you werent there to see that BS
November 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Al Davis’ stooges, like Priestj, HazeDaze. You never see them angry about a loss.
They get mad as hell at me though.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
MR, if Al cared what the fans think, why would he make the decisions he has?
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Because he’s delusional and still thinks his way can work. That doesn’t do anything to refute the idea that Al cares what people think. Being delusional is typically a symptom of caring too much what people think of you.
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You obviously know nothing of Al Davis. He’s on record stating he doesn’t care at all what fans want, or expect. His exact words are “it’s not their team. It’s my team.”.
What Al cares about is what people say about Al.
cue in overhead projector
November 30th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
I didnt see any fights at Walmart but I was doing other things during the Holidays how about you? Reps have what to do with idiots fighting @ Walmart?
LMAO
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
No doubt Republicans are back in charge. You could see it on Black Friday with all of the fights at Wal Marts.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Mr and Mistic,
Ok I’ll replace mainstream with White Americans. Better?
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Is that what FoxNews, Sarah P., Glen Beck, Bill O, Sean Hannity, and Rush mean when they use that term? I don’t know what it means, I’m just saying that if you want to pretend you’re an authority on race, you might want to stop using the same terminology as people who aren’t even close.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
KKKell,
I’ve never seen you happy after a win. You usually hide for 3 days after we come up big…
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KoolKell Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Al Davis’ stooges, like Priestj, HazeDaze. You never see them angry about a loss.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Bauce!
Waddup bro
# Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
I know when to sell.
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# Bauce 2 Dope Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Sup Mista……be happy you werent there to see that BS
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Misery loves company i guess is why i go….No matter i got to meet Dell and 707raiders plus Drexl was around…….eventhough we lost the game I was glad to meet those guys….real cool fellas. They asked if you were a cool guy and i confirmed as such
November 30th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
MR/A.B’s only defense is to accuse somebody of watching FOX news!
LMFAO…..dood you are disturbed as fk!
November 30th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
KKKellout do something productive with your life
…………
You’re in here as much as anyone.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Cable prob doesn’t realize the damage he’s done.
Getting fired from the Raiders is something he likely expects.
But who in their right mind would want someone who was such a flake as far as simple communication?
And his specialty was the Oline?
talk about burning bridges
November 30th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Right on Bauce..
I’ll be there next home game unless somethin comes up.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Not even close I frequently logoff and watch FOX news.
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
You’re in here as much as anyone.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
KKKellout do something productive with your life
…………
You’re in here as much as anyone.
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From what I’ve read, you seem to be here morning, noon, and night. Prob a discussion you should avoid, considering all
November 30th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Right on Bauce..
I’ll be there next home game unless somethin comes up.
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Yeah well that game is my bday weekend so them punks better win lol…..hopefully we are 7-6 at that time and getting the run game going along withthe D waking up for once….Murphy is a bum mayne….you were on him since last year and were right….does satele even play football?
November 30th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
What happened to Norco havent seen him n here for weeks.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
MR, AKA T Nutty
Repeat after me ” It is GREAT to be a RAIDER fan” and ” I love the RAIDERS”!
You can cut and past MR, just let us hear you say it, CLEARLY!
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C’mon Ski, let me hear you say Ohh Ahh….
November 30th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
this is the part where you try and take part of my statement twist it into a never ending discussion of semantics
………..
Let’s see where the twist is here.
I’ll take this from the start.
You said that the JC/Grad debate was over weeks ago.
I asked you what that meant.
At first, you dodged the question, and made a smartass remark about it meaning I’m clueless, or something like that.
I asked again.
Then, you explained what you meant. You said that “many observers” knew that Jason Campbell was the better of the two weeks ago.
I asked you to name one.
Amongst the names you mentioned, which I feel are not credible sources in the first place, you did mention one credible source, Rich Gannon.
I asked you for a link to Gannon’s comments.
You said you don’t have one. Then you went on to admit that he didn’t actually say that the QB debate in Oakland is over, that he just said he supports Jason Campbell, which could have easily meant he’s just supporting him to play well as a QB, giving him encouragement, whatever. We won’t know till we have a link to the quote, will we?
Either way, you backpedaled from your claim that Gannon declared the QB debate to be over, as you did. You lied. And were caught. Again.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Anyway im out…..ESPNU tonight watch Michael Dixon lead the Mizzou Tigers vs Gtown Hoyas….outta be a good game….yall be solid…BAUCE!
November 30th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
KKKellout do something productive with your life
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I kicked it in Copenhagen and Playa del Carmen, this year.
You, on the other hand, never made it out of your Trailer Park.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Tank Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
You obviously know nothing of Al Davis. He’s on record stating he doesn’t care at all what fans want, or expect.
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LOL. Oh, OK. Al Davis doesn’t care what people think, because he says so. Got ya. Never mind the fact that every single move he makes does nothing but draw attention to him and his team, like holding the press in limbo over an entire week as to who the starting QB will be. Sure. Al does these things because he doesn’t care what anyone thinks. wrong, genius. He does these things because he’s constantly worried about what people think of him, even when he’s sleeping. He lives for attention. Everything about him says it.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
What happened to Norco havent seen him n here for weeks.
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Certain blog snitch told on him and got him banned
November 30th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
KKKell back on the trailer park blast huh? WOW…stop your killin me….lol
November 30th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
OUTRO…………
November 30th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Oh KKKell likes to snitch…
If Norco wants a way around the ban have him email me.
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# Bauce 2 Dope Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Certain blog snitch told on him and got him banned
November 30th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
What happened to Norco havent seen him n here for weeks.
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Certain blog snitch told on him and got him banned
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Hes’s lucky he’s not in Jail.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Not even close I frequently logoff and watch FOX news.
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That I believe. You’re either in here or watching FoxNews. That sounds about right. And it’s also why your IQ is in the low 60s.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Eventhough W McFaddden got roasted and toasted I think he’s a real player he just has to catch up wiith the speed of the game and he was very gunshy Sunday. Had he been healthy all year and in the rotation you would have seen a much better performance.
I think Gradkowski getting hurt is a blessing in disguise and I don’t mean to sound morbid but it gives this team a starting QB, something they haven’t had all year long. It also lets us see if JC can step his game up knwoing he is the guy. I not then we ALL know and there is no more mystery for anyone.
But IMO what I saw Sunday tells me we must get a young QB to groom for this position. There is no mystery there because I just don’t have a ton of faith in JC being consistent.
If Chaz ever touches the field this year it would be nice. We could really use the guy in this game. But more importantly these coaches have totally screwed up the HB rotation. Bush is an afterthought, and it’s costing the entire team especially DMC. DMC is just not an every down 25 carry a game back. he is showing the wear and tear as we speak he’s starting t go down easier and he’s definitely not running with the same violence he ran with earlyin the year.
That was key in using him from the get go knwoing how much to use him. Mike Bush should be the meat and potatoes to this ground game on the long haul. DMC is very dangerous in a lot of ways unless you get him beatup then he’s less dangerous. They simply have to get the ball to Bush the rest of the year and get DMC back to where he was 3 games ago. He is so dangerous as a rec that it really doesn’t matter how he gets it but you CANNOT run him up the gut all year long………………..period
You would’ve thought the coaches had a better plan than that….
November 30th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
KKKell proud of himself getting somebody banned from a blog. What a pathetic little troll.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Not even close I frequently logoff and watch FOX news.
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LMAO…..too funny.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
WOW….tj wokeup from his liquor nap!
tj, so you finally realized DHB is a loser. Only took you 10 games longer than the rest of us…
lol
November 30th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Not even close I frequently logoff and watch FOX news.
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I guess you get cable in that Trailer Park, no?
November 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
KK man listen why can’t you leave people alone dude? I get mad at you because your always attack me because I don’t hate the man. Now say whatever you have to say and leave me out of it.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
886. The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
this is the part where you try and take part of my statement twist it into a never ending discussion of semantics
………..
Let’s see where the twist is here.
I’ll take this from the start.
You said that the JC/Grad debate was over weeks ago.
I asked you what that meant.
At first, you dodged the question, and made a smartass remark about it meaning I’m clueless, or something like that.
I asked again.
Then, you explained what you meant. You said that “many observers” knew that Jason Campbell was the better of the two weeks ago.
I asked you to name one.
Amongst the names you mentioned, which I feel are not credible sources in the first place, you did mention one credible source, Rich Gannon.
I asked you for a link to Gannon’s comments.
You said you don’t have one. Then you went on to admit that he didn’t actually say that the QB debate in Oakland is over, that he just said he supports Jason Campbell, which could have easily meant he’s just supporting him to play well as a QB, giving him encouragement, whatever. We won’t know till we have a link to the quote, will we?
Either way, you backpedaled from your claim that Gannon declared the QB debate to be over, as you did. You lied. And were caught. Again.
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I never said anyone said campbell was better.
When i said most observers felt it the debate was over, it simply meant many people thought that campbell would be the starter based on what has happened on the field. i sited people that are on record with their belief that campbell should start, after the denver game.
RMR this is semantics…google it, we dont have time or patience enough to dumb down the conversation to your level, or grasp of the language.
It would be fun beating the hell out of you if you were more of a challenge, but this is like godzilla vs. bambi.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
MR & KKK are like 2 monkeys, you can make them laugh with the most simple sarcasm. Now I know what if feels like to teach a group of down syndrome kids.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhh
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# priesttj Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
KK man listen why can’t you leave people alone dude? I get mad at you because your always attack me because I don’t hate the man. Now say whatever you have to say and leave me out of it.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
MisterBrown I think the loser is YOU!!
DHB is fine with me I have more of a problem with his coaches.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Not even close I frequently logoff and watch FOX news.
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You don’t even realize what a stereotype you are, do you?
Too funny.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
tj another losing season unfolding with AL tinkering and FK’ing things up and not a single word from you about it.
I thought you were a Raider fan…
November 30th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Al Davis’ stoogies, like Priestj, HazeDaze. You never see them angry about a loss.
They get mad as hell at me though.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
tj the coaches cant catch the ball for him thats against the rules. Maybe a seeing eye dog will be allowed I dont know but its nice to know you are ok with losing as long as you know AL is in charge…
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# priesttj Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
DHB is fine with me I have more of a problem with his coaches.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Campbell now has the reins( Rope?). i hope like heck he can lead the team to a vic this sunday. But I think it has more to do with run blocking and a total lack of WRs (Ford recently notwithstanding). If we can gain positive yards in the running game we have a shot. If we can’t it will be a BLOWOUT.
Depth at the edges is killing us. McFadden better get good and fast (same for Ware) cuz the Girls are going to bring it and they’ll get theirs. Depth/production at WR is not much better. Murphy looked BAD on sunday. DHB seems to have been traded. Who’d we get in that trade? And JLH is simply a 5th guy, training camp fodder, backup PR.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Raiders 5 -6
SD-W
Jac-W
Den-W
Indy-L
KC-W
It could happen…
November 30th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
I never said anyone said campbell was better.
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YES YOU DID YOU PATHETIC F’N LIAR! ANYONE CAN SCROLL UP AND REVIEW FOR THEMSELVES.
You said the debate was over, and that “most observers” agreed. I asked you what that mean, and you said, clearly, that it meant CAmpbell was better and should be the starter. I asked you to name any credible observers, as you call them. You said Gannon. I asked you for a link. You said you didn’t have one, and then said you heard him on the radio saying that he “supports” JC, whatever that means. We have no way of knowing until we see a transcript of the entire interview so that it could be put in proper context. And now you’re backpedaling, saying that you never said anyone said Campbell was better. Yes you did. You said Gannon said he was better, and you lied. And, you got caught. The Grad/Campbell debate isn’t over, but this one is.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
You dont even realize when someone has yanked on your chain like the monkey that you are, do you?
Too funny.
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# KoolKell Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
You don’t even realize what a stereotype you are, do you?
Too funny.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
MR & KKK are like 2 monkeys,
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You’re a guy who shows up to tea party rallies with misspelled signs.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
BTW, I thought Gradkowski looked pretty bad most of that game. Poor throws, not particularly good reads, but with 16 yrds rushing Campbell would have been SLAUGHTERED.
IF we can rush the ball and keep JC upright he can play. But if not he does not appear capable of getting through it. He’ll get his shot the remainder of the year and I hope he does.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
tj lets just cut to the chase so we can get this over with right here & now you dig?
How do you turn your head at AL fk’ing things up year after year and call yourself a Raider fan? And if you dont want to admit AL fk’d things up during the bye-week you are as deranged as I know you are.
Lets get this over with, go
November 30th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Inoneword, I think the Jacksonville game is a L and the Colts game can be won.
We don’t seem to fly back east very well. Of course no west coast team does much.
But if we AS A TEAM don’t play with more heart and desire we are going to implode. WE all know what that looks like….
November 30th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
BrownStains………seriously:
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
KKKellout do something productive with your life
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KoolKell Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
I kicked it in Copenhagen and Playa del Carmen, this year.
You, on the other hand, never made it out of your Trailer Park.
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Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Not even close I frequently logoff and watch FOX news.
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BrownStains. You need to quit it. lol
November 30th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
tj are you there buddy?
November 30th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
BrownStains
Go back into your squalid trailer, and turn on Rush Limbaugh.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
BrownStains
You live in that squalor all day listening to Rush Limbaugh, then log on here angry everyday.
Maybe you should try something different.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
MB, it’s “government”, not “guvermnet”. Have fun at the rally.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Kell, stop trolling and talk football.
Watch me talk football with tj you might learn something…
November 30th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
MB’s political sources are FoxNews, Rush Limbaugh, and the image of Jesus he sees on his toast.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
I never said anyone said campbell was better.
………….
YES YOU DID YOU PATHETIC F’N LIAR! ANYONE CAN SCROLL UP AND REVIEW FOR THEMSELVES.
You said the debate was over, and that “most observers” agreed. I asked you what that mean, and you said, clearly, that it meant CAmpbell was better and should be the starter. I asked you to name any credible observers, as you call them. You said Gannon. I asked you for a link. You said you didn’t have one, and then said you heard him on the radio saying that he “supports” JC, whatever that means. We have no way of knowing until we see a transcript of the entire interview so that it could be put in proper context. And now you’re backpedaling, saying that you never said anyone said Campbell was better. Yes you did. You said Gannon said he was better, and you lied. And, you got caught. The Grad/Campbell debate isn’t over, but this one is.
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RMR you are a complete joke.
Please show me where i said gannon said campbell was a better qb. You cant because i didnt say that.
The people i sited, said campbell should start, based on denver. this was directly after denver leading into seattle. they made no claims about who was better.
do come again
November 30th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Well I guess tj ducked out!
lol
Kell and MR/A.B, you 2 monkeys have fun trolling and dry humping ea others leg Im out.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
You’ve completely backpedaled, Mistic. Next time, stop trying to lie. Make your arguments, don’t attribute your arguments to a notable figure unless you can clearly prove they said it. This is the internet. It takes nothing but a quick google. Rich Gannon is the last notable person you should be attributing any of your arguments to. You and that man agree on just about nothing. Nice try.
November 30th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Bye BrownStains. Have a miserable day listening to Fox News, ok?
November 30th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Alright, MB. You have fun with your crusade to keep the government’s hands off of your medicare!
November 30th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
MB’s going to do what he usually does this time of year when he’s bored. Go to the mall and call the salvation army people beggars.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
MB’s going to do what he usually does this time of year when he’s bored. Go to the mall and call the salvation army people beggars.
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I always thought missed-a-brain was one of those people working for the Salvation Army this time of the year ringing the bell, singing “nearer my God to thee,” and working for a couple of pieces of stale year old Christmas candy.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
KKKellout do something productive with your life
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Not even close I frequently logoff and watch FOX news.
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RMR, can you believe this??????????????????
November 30th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Seymour, that would be an actual job. MB doesn’t do that. Since he got his degree from DeVry he’s refused to work welfare jobs. He’s waiting for someone to offer him a living wage to weld. The reason he’s still unemployed is because he REFUSES to join a union. It’s weak. So instead he’s doing the manly thing. He’s scamming welfare and cheating on his taxes.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
# JLofty Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Inoneword, I think the Jacksonville game is a L and the Colts game can be won.
We don’t seem to fly back east very well. Of course no west coast team does much.
But if we AS A TEAM don’t play with more heart and desire we are going to implode. WE all know what that looks like….
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After sitting at the Coliseum this Sunday watching the Raiders take a siesta for the second game in a row.
This team needs to do a complete one eighty in every facet of the game.
The offense played absolutely craptastic, and the defense, “sigh”. The dude sitting directly behind me kept yelling at the top of his lungs: “I drove six hours to watch this crap!”, followed by some encouraging words. Cracking me up all afternoon.
Watching Henne receive zero pressure from the Raider starting front four play after play was killing me.
The Raiders looked tired, and some looked completely lost, #22 I’m looking at you. The Raiders need to have a team wide epiphany just to regain some respect back. That is the only thing that will lead to them winning games again.
Cable needs to deck an assistant.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
MB and some of his right wing demonstrators once had an illegal immigrant drive their rented bus to a minutemen rally. They didn’t see the irony in it.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
wow Tiger Woods quoting Al Davis.
TigerWoods Tiger Woods
As Al Davis said “Just win baby” RT: @mwheeler22 @TigerWoods ..yo tiger, what are your 2011 goals on the PGA tour?
TigerWoods Tiger Woods
Lakers, Dodgers, Raiders RT: @jmandel2 Favorite team to root for (besides Stanford)?
November 30th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
The Raiders looked tired, and some looked completely lost, #22 I’m looking at you. The Raiders need to have a team wide epiphany just to regain some respect back. That is the only thing that will lead to them winning games again.
Cable needs to deck an assistant.
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I nominate Hugh Jackman
November 30th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
When was the last time Jano kicked a ball through the end-zone for a touch back. The guy is clearly in the decline.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
KKKellout do something productive with your life
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Not even close I frequently logoff and watch FOX news.
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I know it’s a over used phrase that, “some people just amaze me” but…………………Jesus H. Krist.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Tiger’s actually quoting Phil Villapiano. But he gets so much tail it doesn’t matter.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
The Raiders looked tired, and some looked completely lost, #22 I’m looking at you. The Raiders need to have a team wide epiphany just to regain some respect back. That is the only thing that will lead to them winning games again.
Cable needs to deck an assistant.
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I nominate Hugh Jackman
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Wolverine? Dude would carve someone up.
You kNow it!
November 30th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Not even close I frequently logoff and watch FOX news.
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When missed-a-brain says he “logged off” he’s talking about what he does in the outhouse out yonder.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
The purses are swinging high and tight tonight.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
MB did 3 days in jail once for punching a female anti war demonstrator who tried to give him a flower.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Bucs cut Sabby Piscitelli. Little white safety who started the last 2 years for them. We could do worse like running out those wet behind the ears guys like McFadden and Ware. There’s a reason the Bucs cut him, but he’s a capable roster spot. Like I said, we could do worse.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/bucs-bounce-sabby-piscitelli/
November 30th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
MB takes several anti depressants. He blames political correctness for his depression.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
You’ve completely backpedaled, Mistic. Next time, stop trying to lie. Make your arguments, don’t attribute your arguments to a notable figure unless you can clearly prove they said it. This is the internet. It takes nothing but a quick google. Rich Gannon is the last notable person you should be attributing any of your arguments to. You and that man agree on just about nothing. Nice try.
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rmr you cant be serious. this is one of your weakest arguments to date, and that is not easy to top, because you are one of the weakest posters here day in day out.
I have no reason to lie about people saying campbell should start. The people i sited said they thought campbell should start, going into seattle. period end of story.
besides what kind of loser spends time surfing the internet to find quotes from radio or tv interviews just to prove you wrong?
Please get over yourself, you are nobody , you mean nothing.
Your takes barley even register at all except for the fact that they are so tired. day after day you drag down the overall intellectual value on this blog with your nonsensical asinine tirades.
Give yourself a break, and us too.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
If Al Davis, truly did care about his players and fans, he would retire, no?
November 30th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
So who is my master again???
November 30th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Al Davis, Your Lord & Master.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
On Another Note of Interest:
John Vomhof Jr. of the Minneapolis/St. Paul Business Journal reports that Vikings Vice President of Stadium Development and Public Affairs Lester Bagley confirmed during an online chat that the team has been approached by the two groups that want to bring a team to Los Angeles.
One group, led by Ed Roski, wants to build a stadium in City of Industry. The other, led by Tim Leiweke and Casey Wasserman, wants to build a stadium in downtown L.A. Leiweke recently told ESPN that his group will defer to the NFL regarding the selection of the team that would move to L.A.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/30/vikings-drop-the-l-word/
November 30th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
I have no reason to lie about people saying campbell should start.
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Yes you do. You have the same reason everyone has to lie about something, to bolster your own credibility. And that’s why you did it. That’s why you tried to attribute your point of view to Rich Gannon, which you have since backpedaled on once you were asked for a quote. I guess you thought I was dumb enough to believe you at your word. I’m sorry I gave you that impression. But it just so happens I’m not. I question everything suspect. And a lot of you guys in here are always suspect to me.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
12:49
[Comment From Norco BobNorco Bob: ]
Jerry, can you call the Raiders and ask them to blackout this sundays game here, even though its played in San Diego. Happy holidays.
Tuesday November 30, 2010 12:49 Norco Bob
12:49
jerrymac:
I don’t think they’re taking my advice for anything.
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LMFAO!
November 30th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Gooooooooooooooolllllllllllllly Gomer. Just a few days ago everyone in the Raiders organization was flying high with accolades from all directions. Humdingers of praise raining down like rose petals in a Buddhist wake.
McF, the greatest RB since Bo! Cable a genius! Al on top of things! HueJack for assistant of the year! Seymour for D player of the year! Reece a man to be reckoned with (whatever happened to Marcel?)! The O-line a work of art! Tackles being made. Third in the league in third down conversion defense! Second in pass defense! Second in rush offense! QBs s>cked but never mind.
WTF?????????????happened during the bye week?????????
November 30th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
And I think, generally, Ex Raider Coaches do well in other organizations, no?
November 30th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Uhh No…Mr. Davis is a human being, not my Master however, If I were you I would look up the term Lord and what that means….
I have lambasted Mr. Davis past present and Future…I hate how he runs the org, have said so since I have been coming to the Blog….I have recently called for the hiring of Bill Parcells and that Mr. Davis go fishing for a year or 5…..
Mr. Davis as I have said it before runs this team like its his pet project, and we the fans suffer dearly for it….The org needs a complete overhaul from the top down, starting with Mr. Davis as the game has passed him by.
Example he uses an overhead, when pico projects the size of a cell phone exist…..
check the ballistics Bruh…you know i am on record
with this, Go back and check Thec03 and Thec07 post…
So I hate to bust your buble but I am no more of a Mr. Davis whorshipper than you are…
I just dont hate the man. You hate Mr. Davis….
November 30th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
And I think, generally, Ex Raider Coaches do well in other organizations, no?
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Then how about bringing back Marc Trestman. He just won his second consecutive Grey Cup as Head Coach. He’d be a helluva lot better than Huey.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Alrighty then.
I don’t hate the man, why should I hate him?
November 30th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
I have no reason to lie about people saying campbell should start.
………..
Yes you do. You have the same reason everyone has to lie about something, to bolster your own credibility. And that’s why you did it. That’s why you tried to attribute your point of view to Rich Gannon, which you have since backpedaled on once you were asked for a quote. I guess you thought I was dumb enough to believe you at your word. I’m sorry I gave you that impression. But it just so happens I’m not. I question everything suspect. And a lot of you guys in here are always suspect to me.
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Pure comedy, unless you can show me where i said “rich gannon said campbell is better”, you have no case. Simply calling me a liar doesnt make it so.
By the way do you realize that you just said everyone lies to bolster their credibility? If that is how you get down, please dont lump me into it.
I dont know how “dumb” you are, but your clearly not head of the class.
The only thing you have ever done on this blog this is remotely worth a damn is when you log off.
The world and this blog are truly a better place in your absence.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
I don’t hate the man, I see him for who he is. Nobody’s perfect, certainly not me.
But he’s doing a terrible disservice to my team.
November 30th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
It’s Got To Stop!
November 30th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Trade Nnamdi for a player or players who will help us win while he still has a lot of value. Package a deal for a good QB.
7 double digit losss seasons WITH Nnamdi. How could it get any worse without him? 0-16?
Oh, we neeeeeed him so we can win 5 games a year instead of 4.
His presense has not helped one bit. He is a good player, that’s why we need to get rid of him and get a QB.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
transcript of that overheard in the Managing General Partner’s box last Sunday per Wikileaks
“WTF was that? That moth******ing lame***ed sh**armed punk can’t throw a ball five ****ing yards. And why is that moth******ing piece of **** I’m paying a ton of money to be a RB falling down every ****ing time he gets touched? Can’t any of these moth******ers block? Or tackle? WTF is that stupid fat ****er of a coach doing?”
November 30th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
quoth the Raider.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
I don’t hate the man, I see him for who he is. Nobody’s perfect, certainly not me.
But he’s doing a terrible disservice to my team.
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Agreed…However dont accuse me of being a Mr. davis apologist, when you know the truth….
November 30th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
After Josh McDaniels is fired, Al can hire him.
Reverse the Shanahan deal with Denver… lol
November 30th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
What happened to the “other forces”?
November 30th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
J Hill Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
What happened to the “other forces”?
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They switched sides…
November 30th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
I think it was hard for the forces to overcome the Cable factor and the on the job training of the new OC.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Al = Mo, Trask = Larry, Cable = Curly
November 30th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
I just dont hate the man.
…………
No, you don’t hate him. You’ve just basically demeaned everything about his ability to run a football team.
You’re a Raider fan.
You want the Raiders to win.
You’ve clearly stated that Al Davis is the primary reason the Raiders don’t win, and gave extensive, clear examples as to why.
But you don’t hate him.
Wow.
Seriously.
Do you think that would bring him any comfort?
“Hey, Mr. Davis, everything about you as a GM sucks. But I don’t hate you!”.
You’re so morally above us, dude. Seriously.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
“Hey, you’re fat. But I don’t hate you!” – Thec.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
“You’re ugly. And old. You look like you’ve had 10 kids, and your face got ran over by a tractor. But I don’t hate you!” – Thec, sometime, somewhere, I’m sure.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
# KoolKell Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Alrighty then.
I don’t hate the man, why should I hate him?
………..
Kell, don’t get sucked into this. He’s playing a game. He’s falsely claiming some kind of high ground over Al’s critics in here. He basically said things of Al in here that Al would have him killed for if he said it to him in his presence. But he follows it up with, “I don’t hate the man”. He’s trying to separate himself from the pack. Give the impression he’s some type of independent thinker. He’s not.
November 30th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
I don’t hate the man,
………
I do. What’s wrong with hating a bad, counterproductive person?
November 30th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Who was on here the other day…..saying “I’m the Madden Champ”???
November 30th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Tank Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
You obviously know nothing of Al Davis. He’s on record stating he doesn’t care at all what fans want, or expect.
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LOL. Oh, OK. Al Davis doesn’t care what people think, because he says so. Got ya. Never mind the fact that every single move he makes does nothing but draw attention to him and his team, like holding the press in limbo over an entire week as to who the starting QB will be. Sure. Al does these things because he doesn’t care what anyone thinks. wrong, genius. He does these things because he’s constantly worried about what people think of him, even when he’s sleeping. He lives for attention. Everything about him says it.
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you are lost.
what Al does has nothing to do with caring what people think. Are you really this stupid? It’s for attention. It’s for control. It’s to let others know that it’s important that he feel he dictates when and where.
Living for attention has nothing to do with caring what people think.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Boo-hooo-hooooo. Raiders stink. It’s this guy’s fault. No, that guy’s.
Give me a break. Somebody call Wisconsin and get a giant block of cheese to accompany this whiney-azz bunch.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
The fact is the Raiders are one game behind the Chargers 12 weeks into the season. A win on Sunday vaults us atop them in the standings with the Chefs squarely in our sights.
But, no. The idea of us beating the 6-5 Chargers, a team we’ve already beat this year is just too unfathomable for ya’ll.
Pack it in. Let’s talk draft.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
It’s always fun watching these people scurry back under their rocks when we win. As soon as we lose they come back out waving signs and banners of protest.
Fans are about as insightful as alzheimer patients they one way today and totally opposite in the face of any adversity. We lost 2 games in a row and most of you are on the ledge.
If we win 3 in a row you’ll be just the opposite. You can’t find a Gradkwski fan to stand up and be counted now with a search party. But 2 weeks ago he was the hero of the blog. lol SOS
November 30th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Not so fast, my friends!
Let’s travel back to a time long, long ago. Literally, hundreds of hours ago. It was October 8th and the board was in full-on suicide watch. We were 1-3 and coming off back-to-back losses with the defending AFC West champion Chargers up next. Yours truly pointed out:
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Chris in NY Says:
October 8th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Hold the phone, ladies and germs.
If we win this one odds are we’re in a three-way tie for 2nd in the division.
***
I also predicted a 31-20 Raiders victory in that Chargers game.
Well, Iiiiii’mmmmmm baa-aaaaack.
This is it. The Raiders rally, derail the Chargers and win 24-17. Rivers gets harassed and frustrated. The Raiders ground game returns with a vengeance. A couple of big plays help us along.
And we’re back in the mix at 6-6. Unleash the Autumn Wind. This is turning point No. 2 (or is it No. 3) of the season.
I feel a Raider rally coming on.
I’m GUARANTEEING VICTORY this Sunday.
Cash in the pension. Withdraw the kids’ college fund. Forget the 13 points. Let it all ride on the 5-to-1 money line. ….. RRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIDDDDDDUUUZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Pack it in. Let’s talk draft.
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Luck??
Newton??
Locker??
Mallett??
Pick one….anyone!
November 30th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
I think we have a chance to beat SD We’ve shown that we can play with them. But I did say and I’ll say it again they are the best team we’ll face the rest of the year. If we beat them we could win out that would make us 10-6 I wonder what the naysayers would do then? Oh! I forgot the same thing they always do change their tunes and grit their teeth not having a thing negative to say would kill them.
They hate it when the Raiders win and we all know who they are.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
What about Devlin,Foles, and Enderlie?
November 30th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
You guys should watch Ford’s stealing catch. McFadden blows up another defender on his block. We need to get him going if we want a chance vs SD. The good thing is Hue will pass less with Campbell in the game.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Gloating because BG failed!You are better than that Priest.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
8-8…..I’m happy!
7-9…..ok!
6-10 or 5-11….FIRE CABLE!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
This team is still lacking some of the basic pieces that it takes to consistently win in this league. I don’t think there was any questioning that going into this season.
The disappointing thing is that they DO show flashes of dominance occasionally.
But everything has to go right for them. The QB needs to make the right decisions. The offensive line has to stand up to pressure. The offense needs to sustain drives so the defense isn’t on the field for 80% of the game (which is exceptionally difficult when you play mostly man-to-man schemes). The defense needs to play disciplined football. The coaches need to make the right adjustments at the half. When one or more of these parts of the team doesn’t work, the team seems to fall apart. They still can’t seem to compensate for their deficiencies.
They’ve made strides, but some new blood needs to come aboard to consistently play the kind of football they intend on playing. Truthfully, I don’t know if it’s coaches, players or both. But it seems like they’re close, so let’s just hope they can win a few more games this season, and make the right adjustments in the off-season.
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I agree 100%…We just gotta win this week, WE HAVE TO!!
November 30th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
priesttj Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
I think we have a chance to beat SD We’ve shown that we can play with them. But I did say and I’ll say it again they are the best team we’ll face the rest of the year. If we beat them we could win out that would make us 10-6 I wonder what the naysayers would do then? Oh! I forgot the same thing they always do change their tunes and grit their teeth not having a thing negative to say would kill them.
They hate it when the Raiders win and we all know who they are.
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I like how positive you are
November 30th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Somebody answer me this:
Outside of Rivers … are the Chargers even any good. Is there another position group where they have us outgunned?
D-Line: I’ll take us.
LBs: Slight edge, Chargers.
DBs: Us.
Special teams: I’ll take us.
WRs: I’ll take Ford and Murphy over SD’s best (though I am on record as wanting Ajirotutu late in this past draft and he’s been a UFA find for them).
TEs: Both top guys are banged up and questionable. All-in-all: Wash.
O-line: I’ll give them the edge but not a huge one.
RBs: Us. Easy. By a mile.
Coaching: Wash.
Why all the despair? Because they beat a banged up Colts team that’s a shell of its former self? Because they beat a Broncos team far less convincingly than we did? These guys are paper tigers. We can manhandle them.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
All Fairy tales aside. Las Vegas has the Raiders 12.5pt dogs.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
MR, AKA D RED
Repeat after me ” It is GREAT to be a RAIDER fan” and ” I love the RAIDERS”!
You can cut and past MR, just let us hear you say it, CLEARLY!
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C’mon Ski, let me hear you say Ohh Ahh….
November 30th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Forget the 12.5, Ricky. Give ‘em the heater.
November 30th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Lets break Rivers JAW!!!! KILL EMM ALLL!!! KILL SANDIEGO!!! KILL!! KILL!!
November 30th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Lefty12 what makes you think I’m gloating? I’m blasting fickle fans who jock a guy one minute and with one single loss he’s all of a sudden a bum. The kid had a bad game but he’s the same guy he was before that game. He can still win games and play well but the Grads supporters are nowhere to be found.
Listen yu know me man I don’t think JC is better than he is he’s just different he’s a pocket passer with a good arm. But he’s still that same guy who needs to step up his game bigtime for us to make the playoffs.
The only thing that’s happened is we have a starter now the coach can’t waffle on us or his players.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
28-25 raiders win
November 30th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Lefty12 It’s very easy to support smeone when they’re going good it’s when they’re going bad that makes the difference. Either you believe in them or you don’t, this makes me think they never believed in the guy they just hated JC so bad they supported him.
JC needs to play a lot faster and a lot more decisive and I think that will make him a much better QB. He has a nice ball but he needs to get it out faster. he also needs to run when need be. But that is not going to be solved in one week.
If Gards were healthy I’d still prefer he come in off the bench which I have said since day1. I thi k his game lends itself to that. I don’ hate Grads I like him but I wasn’t fooled by his exploits I see what he is a very solid backup.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Agreed
November 30th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Priest, You can’t expect long time Raider fans to feel confident right now. After stewing for a day, yes we have a chance vs. San Diego. But, we need to find our running game. These 2 losses were very depressing. Campbell needs to oome out strong, like he did in Denver. It would help if Zach Miller could play. Right now, the realistic take on this team is to finish 7-9. The loss at HOME to Miami could break this team. We’ll see who the real Raiders are this week, and I am hoping it’s the team that won 3 straight!
November 30th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
1000
November 30th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Congratulations Raccoon!!!!
November 30th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Miami killed us with the simple crossing patterns they ran several shallow crosses and we didn’t cover it well. They really didn’t challenge us down the field much. I think they wanted t give their QB easy reads. Well Rivers doesn’t need that he will come right at us which is what we’re best at. He will stare the blitz in the face and throw it.
Now we can attack him and it worked but remember it wrked by element of surprise we played base most of the game and he killed us then we started t blitz him and he didn’t expect it and it got to him he was throwing off one foot his back foot side armed and scared to death.
We have to blitz him smartly and get hits on him early make him shuffle his feet to throw. Get himoff his spot and make him throw on the run which he is terrible at doings.
But tp do any of this we must stuff their run game first. If we can get him off schedule a lot of 3rd and longs we have a chance.
On offense somehow someway we have got t get this run game going IMO it’s timeto get Bush involved maybe as many as 15-20 carries and use DMC on the perimeter in the passing game. I loved that rinkle with Ford in the backfield they need to go back to that but get it to Ford. Let DMC run the wildcat with Bush and Ford and get after these guys. Murphy has got to step it up bigtime make sure they gte DHB involved as well and I think we can win this game I really do.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
1. DMAC needs to have over 100yds
2. DMAC needs to have over 100yds
3. DMAC needs to have over 100yds
4. See the trend?
November 30th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Priest, what makes you think SD wont learn form their mistake they made against us b4 and do what miami did? I dont think rivers will have a problem with taking a short crossing route if it keeps drives alive.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Beach agreed man but no one died, it’s just sports and each game can be won as well as lost. I think there are a few guys in here who live t bring everyone else down and you guys fall for that crap all the time.
It’s just sports and I want to win worse than anyone but I have my own convictions and i don’t let anyone else talk me out of them. All the rhetoric about Mr Davis and conspiracies man I don’t care because I know players want to win. And I think we have sme good leadership now that we didn’t have for a few years Miami has no bearing on SD this team will attack SD trust me.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
1004?
November 30th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
At the end of the day, it has come down to one on one matchups. Our Dline has done well against their Oline. What worries me is our dbacks trying to contain their WR’s. It may be ugly this weekend.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
1001.The Real Ray Says:
November 30th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Congratulations Raccoon!!!!
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Wad I win? I will take a RAIDER win.
No win Sunday = NO playoffs!
November 30th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
this team will attack SD trust me.
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LOTW!!
Line Of The Week! Man that sounds good! Say it again Priest, luv it.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
whats scaring me is we might not have
Nnamdi
Route
Johnson
We may have
Injured Nnamdi and or Injured Johnson
Route
Ware/Mcfadden
November 30th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
ware and mcfadden scare the he!! out of me.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
man, I didnt think I’d miss Johnson this much. McFadden got worked last week. He looks so thin for a corner.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
What makes you think the Raiders wnt take that away this game every team has that option…lol
No but really SD will d what they do best……..period they aren’t what they are because they don’t know what they’re good at. There strengths are playaction and getting the ball downfield that’s what they do and that’s who thay are. To try to alter what they’re great at for one opponent rearely ever works.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Al Davis’ stoooges, like Priestj, HazeDaze. You never see them angry about a loss.
They get mad as hell at me though.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Ive seen San Diego do drag routes before, shallow crosses, the thing is we have been great against that this year cuz usually thats what teams do to beat us in the past, these last 2 games we got burnt on those crosses……and mcfadden, growing pains, along with ware, i hope the day comes when we dont need nnamdi and we have those 2, and yeah, we missed johnson alot last game, but also miami’s recievers matched up well against us…A short fast, good cutting guy like bess is good against man coverage…SD has a bunch of vertical guys the only go one way..we match up better against them..Priest is right about how we do match up well against them, our d-line especially.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
“Its’ just sports” they say.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Oh yeah, we match up very well with San Diego, that’s why were 12.5 pt underdogs.
November 30th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
ever since last year kool kell, the gap between us and SD has closed lil by lil, we can beat them, should have last yr twice, and we have this year already, hopefully seymour gets the troops ready to go.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
i think they were favored by 7.5 in the first meeting, something like that.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
I think the gap has closed because our Dline has been able to get to Rivers. The only way to win this weekend is DMAC being successful and our Dline getting to Rivers. The best pass defense is a QB pressure.
November 30th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Everyone here is not looking at this team with bright eyes.
I just can’t figure out what media was assembled for this “conference,” along with JMac, who figures to keep on with the Davis-Campbell vs Cable-Gradkz “question.” What was the Bay Area media corp waiting from Cable, for him to tell us that he’s the stupidest coach on the stupidest team? Been there done that. Of course he’ll dance around as slippery as he can get.
Why wouldn’t Davis fire Cable this late in the season? Didn’t Phillips and Childress, who are much better coaches with much better talent get fired?
Are players and fans really that bothered whether Cable announced or not what qb was going to start? Would it have really made a difference? Of course not. And I believe most of us know that neither qb is good enough to win regardless.
What is becoming obvious is that Campbell has to be either worse than Gradkz or must have done something to Cable or Huejac. I just can’t believe that Davis would sit idly without doing something about it. If indeed, as the geniuses from the Bay Area press keep bringing it up, Campbell is Al’s man and is calling all the shots. Wouldn’t Davis have intervened already?
I know it’s a moot point now since Gradkz will not play another game this season, and hopefully never again for the Raiders, and from what it’s really clear now, I believe Davis doesn’t care for Campbell either.
So, it’s back to the drawing board, the eternal search for a winning coach and the franchise qb. Got to be. Enough with being the stupidest team and all of us included, in the league.
If the Bay Area “insiders” really knew jack, would they say that Al Davis is waiting to see if Cable’s team goes 7-9 to keep his job?
November 30th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
the whole week leading up to the miami game was just wierd
December 1st, 2010 at 1:57 pm
We lost the last two weeks cause the play calling sucked.Throw some slant routes to the fast guys on this team.Like the Niners use to throw Rice.Also more screens would be nice too.Use what you got.Don,t do the same lame crap every week Tom and Hue.Do that we will win.its all on the coaching staff.We have good enough players to win.
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