Gradkowski having MRI
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, November 29th, 2010 at 10:15 am in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders quarterback Bruce Gradkowski is having an MRI today and fears bad news, a source familiar with the situation said Monday.
Gradkowski has been battling a shoulder problem since Week 3 against Arizona, ultimately going down with a third degree separation just before halftime of a 35-27 win over San Diego on Oct. 10. He missed the next five games, returning to start and play ineffecitvely in a 33-17 loss to Miami.
Following the game, Gradkowski left the field carrying his right arm awkwardly after being hit on the Raiders final play from scrimmage.
“It’s just tough. You always gott stay optimistic,” Gradkowski said following the game. “You don’t want that to happen but it’s always a fear of yours. As a quarterback, it’s hard. It’s your right shoulder and a third-degree separation is not the greatest thing to have on your throwing shoulder. Whatever I have to do to get right, I will.”
More to come . . .
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November 29th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Cam Newton like Mike Vick? Okay, let’s draft him… but he has to go to prison first.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:16 am
First
November 29th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Aig, Campbell is far superior to Gradkowski. Aig, after the Steeler game, I supported Campbell’s benching. But, Gradkowski is worse. At least JC resembles an NFL QB. Raiders could have won yesterday if Campbell started.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:17 am
doh!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:18 am
I never want to see that glorified grease monkey in a Raider uniform again.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:18 am
All together now… 8-8 8-8 8-8…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:19 am
career over.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am
8-8 might save Cable. Anything less than that and he’s gone. Another double-digit loss season, and more heads will roll.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am
AB aka SammytheBull,
Dont back track now. You wanted Grad to start and now you are blaming it on me and other Grad supporters. You threw JC under the bus after the Steelers and now you’re backtracking faster than the Italian army.
Was JC resembling an NFL QB when he got a 10.7 rating against SF? Was he an nfl qb when he played agaisnt Tenn? STFU already. Just because Grad sucked yesteday doesnt mean JC is better.
I stand 100% behind the fact that Grad is the best QB on our current roster. His worst game was a 60.7 rating as compared to JC’s 10.7.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am
ROMAC was brought in for 1 reason. 1 sole purpose.
stop the run!
Right now we’re 28th in the NFL allowing 134 rushing yards per game (4.4 yards per carry)
If you need a Kirk Morrison comparison to make yourself feel better, go right on ahead … but Kirk never had Seymour at DT or Wimbley & Groves at OLB. or Houston & ShoNasty (full time) at DE
waste of $40 million if you ask me.
should have taken an O-Lineman. Pouncey at C or Iupati at RG wouldn’t make a difference? what about Davis, Bulaga or Saffold at RT? still nothing?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Crister, I will be elated with 8-8. I fear, though, this team is headed for 6, or even 5 wins.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am
DMAC Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Someone give me a hand w/out making me look stupid. I thought college players couldn’t enter the draft until they completed there junior year.
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They have to have completed 3 years of eligibility, so seniors, juniors and redshirt sophomores are eligible.
I think. This is probably wrong and will make me look stupid.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Someone give me a hand w/out making me look stupid. I thought college players couldn’t enter the draft until they completed there junior year.
????????????
November 29th, 2010 at 10:21 am
Aig, I would rather see Boller start than Grads.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:22 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siq68WMuUV4&feature=related
Cam Newton!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Thank you brother
November 29th, 2010 at 10:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am
ROMAC was brought in for 1 reason. 1 sole purpose.
stop the run!
Right now we’re 28th in the NFL allowing 134 rushing yards per game (4.4 yards per carry)
If you need a Kirk Morrison comparison to make yourself feel better, go right on ahead … but Kirk never had Seymour at DT or Wimbley & Groves at OLB. or Houston & ShoNasty (full time) at DE
waste of $40 million if you ask me.
should have taken an O-Lineman. Pouncey at C or Iupati at RG wouldn’t make a difference? what about Davis, Bulaga or Saffold at RT? still nothing?
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The player move would have been to trade down, and stock up… Pouncey would have been a bobm pick…get rid of that stiff sattle…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:23 am
2011 coaching changes:
HC – Rob Ryan
OC – Paul Hackett
QB Coach – Danny Southwick
WR Coach – Ted Tollner
Tom Cable, Hue Jackson & Sanjay Lal = out the door along with Cable’s OL Coach from Cal (Jim M)
November 29th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Let’s say Grads is IR’d after the MRI….
Who do we bring in as our 3rd QB?
Colt Brennan got hurt in a car accident, so he’s out.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Tom Cable, Hue Jackson & Sanjay Lal = out the door along with Cable’s OL Coach from Cal (Jim M)
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see ya…
Now bring in parcels…let him right the USS Raider NATION..
November 29th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Cam ain’t got schit on my boy Andrew Luck.
Print that!
Andrew Luck = The truth buddy
November 29th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Let’s say Grads is IR’d after the MRI….
Who do we bring in as our 3rd QB?
Colt Brennan got hurt in a car accident, so he’s out.
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Michael Bush…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:23 am
2011 coaching changes:
HC – Rob Ryan
OC – Paul Hackett
QB Coach – Danny Southwick
WR Coach – Ted Tollner
Tom Cable, Hue Jackson & Sanjay Lal = out the door along with Cable’s OL Coach from Cal (Jim M)
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Ugh!
Horrible,
Out of the frying pan into the fire!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Let’s say Grads is IR’d after the MRI….
Who do we bring in as our 3rd QB?
Colt Brennan got hurt in a car accident, so he’s out.
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Jamarcus Russell
November 29th, 2010 at 10:25 am
As soon as he gets his MRI he should get a lawyer and sue Al Davis for setting him up to fail yesterday. That was B.S.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:26 am
It’s a shame the Raiders won’t be in any position to get Luck, unless some insane blockbuster trade happens. Luck is as close to the real deal as I’ve seen from any college QB prospect.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Let’s say Grads is IR’d after the MRI….
Who do we bring in as our 3rd QB?
Colt Brennan got hurt in a car accident, so he’s out.
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Jay Shraoder
November 29th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Thec, who do you mean by Parcells? Does Bill Parcells have a son, or something?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:26 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:26 am
It’s a shame the Raiders won’t be in any position to get Luck, unless some insane blockbuster trade happens. Luck is as close to the real deal as I’ve seen from any college QB prospect.
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you like him better than Mallett???
November 29th, 2010 at 10:27 am
It’s hard to have “luck”, youngamerican, when the owner is setting the starting QB up to fail. Nobody was rooting for Miami yesterday more than Al Davis.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Who do we bring in as our 3rd QB?
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former 1st rounder Joey Harrington!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:28 am
# Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:14 am
Myst,
I asked the Question earlier if Newton can be a pocket passer like MVICK??? Do you honestly beleive he will???
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Without a doubt I think he can become a pocket passer. I say this because he is such a good passer. Standing still and on the move. Adjusting to taking snap under center and learning how to drop back does not change your ability to throw the ball. newton has the size to stand in the pocket, survey the field and deliver over the top of the defense. You cant coach size. he has great pocket awareness for a kid, he is rarely sacked. he is tough in the pocket like big ben, and delivers on target even when he is getting pounded. You either are an accurate passer or you are not. Newton clearly is.
At the very least considering the free agents that are available, and our current qb roster, he could be a huge value pick mid to late. There is none in the nfl currently that i would say is our qb of the future, why not take a flyer on this kid. If it doesnt work out, no sweat he was just a mid / late round pick.
I think he will be a great player.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:28 am
As a cross between Billy Joe Hobert and Rick Mirer, Bruce just ain’t got the goods.
As a cross between Jay Schroeder and Aaron Brooks, JaSoup is an errant throw waiting to happen.
Arsenic or cyanide, pick your poison.
Hand the ball off to Michael Bush fourteen times in a row rather than trust either of those guys.
Why not give Carrie Prejean’s husband a shot?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:28 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:27 am
It’s hard to have “luck”, youngamerican, when the owner is setting the starting QB up to fail. Nobody was rooting for Miami yesterday more than Al Davis.
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ROFLMAO…….best one of the day….
November 29th, 2010 at 10:29 am
I told you guys we should of signed Jon Kitna, a few years ago.
lol
Better than what we have now.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:29 am
Jeff George might be still available.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:29 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:19 am
career over.
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Nonsense. He’ll get on elsewhere and do fine. Thing typically get better for players when they leave Oakland. I’d love to see Gradkowski, Nnamdi, Miller, and Ford get the hell out of here and get on real teams. They deserve it.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:30 am
The two week beat down was in full effect.
All the talk about Denver/KC loosing the next game after the Raiders beat them.
It seems the theory is correct.
Pitt beat the crap out of the Raiders last week so thoroughly they were still in siesta mode.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Thec07,
The Raiders need to stay as far away from Mallett as possible.
He relys almost purely on arm strength. He locks on to receivers. His touch is non-existent. If you believe the whisperings, he doesn’t have the best work ethic and can alienate teammates.
I’ll say he’d be better than Russell or Leaf. But that’s as far as I’ll go.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:30 am
BTW Thec,
Great call on Ford during training camp. Dude is a beast. He is built like a pitbull and strong as a mofo too with mad football skills.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Luck, Mallet, Newton are the top 3 QB’s in next years draft!
So, who is it gonna be?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:32 am
The Raiders have been in siesta mode since Ron Wolf left, Drexl. Just a few coaches and players have been able to reverse it to some degree, but even they say it was something they always had to contend with. Ask Gannon.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:32 am
7.RaiderRockstar Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:19 am
career over.
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Gradkowski got a chance to prove to the world that he can be the guy. Had the opportunity gift wrapped. Unfortnuately for him injuries have denied him since the Washington game last year.
There will be a new guy in here next year and Campbell gets the rest of the year to win over the coaches and Al.
Too bad…..staying healthy is just as important as completion %
November 29th, 2010 at 10:32 am
aig-raiders Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:30 am
BTW Thec,
Great call on Ford during training camp. Dude is a beast. He is built like a pitbull and strong as a mofo too with mad football skills.
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Thanks Bruh, I would like to change my opinion of him…I think he is overated…lol we soould trade him for a 5th rounder….
November 29th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Jeff George might be still available.
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Someone else said what I was thinking. Just imagine a QB with a cannon who can shoot at targets and coach up the WR’s to hit their spot. Oh nevermind, we have a joke for a WR coach.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:33 am
he doesn’t have the best work ethic and can alienate teammates.
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watched him play he looks good…the work ethic issues reminds me of russell…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:33 am
A.B. Paine III Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Aig, Campbell is far superior to Gradkowski. Aig, after the Steeler game, I supported Campbell’s benching. But, Gradkowski is worse. At least JC resembles an NFL QB. Raiders could have won yesterday if Campbell started.
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Reality check:
Campbell vs. Steelers:
7-of-19 completions, 70 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT (plus 2 fumbles and another pick-6 INT that was wiped out on a gift roughing the passer penalty), sacked 4x for -32 yards.
Gradkowski vs. Dolphins:
17-of-32, 252 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, sacked 1x for -5 yards.
Don’t get me wrong. Bruce struggled yesterday. But one of those stat lines resembles that of an NFL QB, the other resembles some of JaMarcus Russell’s worst days. You tell me which is which. And that wasn’t a one-time deal for Campbell. Look at the Tennessee, StL and SF games for similar production.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:33 am
I don’t even want Al Davis to draft a QB, for the QB’s sake. And if I were a QB in the draft, I would flat out refuse to play in Oakland. Flat out. After what Davis did to Russell?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Zach Miller, who injured his fibula in Sunday’s loss, confirmed that his previous arch injury was actually a torn plantar fascia.
Antonio Gates is also struggling with a torn plantar fascia. It’s a painful injury that is clearly limiting both players to the point where they can’t be trusted in fantasy. Miller’s new fibula injury just makes matters worse. Owners need to seek other options for the foreseeable future. Nov. 29 – 11:44 am et
Source: Contra Costa Times
November 29th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Thec,
Russell looked pretty good at LSU too. I’m telling you, Mallett is a timebomb waiting to blow up in the face of the team that drafts him.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:36 am
I don’t even want Al Davis to draft a QB, for the QB’s sake. And if I were a QB in the draft, I would flat out refuse to play in Oakland. Flat out. After what Davis did to Russell?
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Poor fatso loser money grubbing hore JaWalrus. It was all Al Davis fault. I feel so sorry for him now that you put it that way.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Raiders need a veteran QB, not a rookie.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Thec,
Earlier this year I was skeptical of Ford and thought Nick Miller was more a Steve Smith. However, I was wrong. Ford is going to be even better than Steve Smith. Ford is prob faster and for sure stronger than Smith. That dude would prob do well as a rb as well. We should use him like they use Percy Harvin in Minn.
This is prob Al’s best offensive draft prick in years.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:27 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:17 am
The Raiders decided not to have Grads have the surgery
that was scheduled after the injury to the shoulder with rest and rehab the method of treatment so as to try to salvage the season after Al Davis decided his next Jim Plunkett was fool’s gold. This morning, I found out that Grads season is over and he will probably be going on I.R. and having the surgery. Sh*t happens but the Raider medical staff is known as one of the worst in the NFL. Right Henderson, Schilens, Nnamdi, Gallery, and others.
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For real? You got this info from where?
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You got it from me first!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:37 am
# A.B. Paine III Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Raiders need a veteran QB, not a rookie.
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Jon Kitna
November 29th, 2010 at 10:38 am
Here’s a good scouting report on Mallett I found:
Strengths:
Good bulk and great height to scan the field
Outstanding arm strength
Very high talent level and upside
Adept at reading coverages
Nice mental clock in pocket
Quick release
Makes some jaw-dropping throws
Sells play action
Weaknesses:
Poor technician
Footwork needs a lot of polish
Lacks some balance as a passer
Not very athletic or mobile
Not a very accurate passer
Shows some inconsistency
Doesn’t throw an impressive spiral
Ball tends to sail high
Poor NFL QB pedigree (Bobby Petrino)
Needs a lot of space and minimal pass rush in pocket to operate
Back foot comes up too much on follow through, which hurts accuracy and balance
Character concerns
Summary: Ryan Mallett is getting overrated at this point because everyone is in love with his size and arm strength….
Mallett is a very inconsistent quarterback and an extremely raw talent. Plus, let’s also factor in Bobby Petrino’s poor history of sending quarterbacks to the NFL (Dave Ragone, Stefan LeFors, Chris Redman, Brian Brohm). Something about Petrino’s system either doesn’t prepare them for the NFL because the receivers are wide open thanks to great route combinations and play calling, or he just finds a way to mask the talent level (not a problem with Mallett).
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Player Comparison: Derek Anderson. Anderson has the size and the arm, but like Mallett, he is a bad athlete with poor accuracy.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:38 am
# Thec07 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:26 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:26 am
It’s a shame the Raiders won’t be in any position to get Luck, unless some insane blockbuster trade happens. Luck is as close to the real deal as I’ve seen from any college QB prospect.
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you like him better than Mallett???
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Much. He’s more pocket mobile, more accurate, smarter, and comes from a pro-style offense.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Davis chewed Russell up and spit him out, Jimbo. He threw Russell into the worst system imaginable, fired the only head coach who had a shot a turning him into a real NFL QB, and just left him to the wolves. Then, scapegoated him. Russell had his problems, but that gave Al Davis no right to treat him how he did. Al Davis gets an F on providing Russell with the right work environment for him to develop. Oakland was chaotic from the day they drafted Russell to the day he was let go. Even if he was lazy and a drug addict, he still didn’t have a chance.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Chris in NY,
I think JaDavis has a better QB rating than both Bruce and Jason.
Gradkowski – 53% comp … 66 Rating
Campbell – 55% comp … 76.5 rating
JaDavis, 2008 – 54% conp … 77 rating
We have no QB man
November 29th, 2010 at 10:40 am
We had to win the Miami game for a chance at 8-8. That was a must win for the Raiders, and especially for Tom Cable. We will finally be rid of the Wife Beating Buffoon now, so at least there is a silver lining. Now what idiot will Al replace him with though? That is the scary issue.
Of our remaining opponents we have two legit chances for wins….Denver and Jacksonville, but even Jacksonville is playing good ball right now, so a 6-10 season is still a possibility. I think we manage to win 2 more games this season to finish 7-9. We have to end this streak.
Let’s just hope Cable can’t use that slight improvement as an excuse to keep his job. He benefited by playing in a weak division and also being matched up with the only division that might be worse than ours, the NFC West. That is the only reason we will even come close to 7 wins this year.
Cable has to go!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Crazy people ripping McClain after yesterday’s game.
He was our best defensive player on the field, with no one else coming close.
Put in Ricky Brown, and we give up 50 points and 250 yards rushing.
As a rookie, he has improved our rushing defense and overall defense, more so than a 7 year vet who is starting for a potential playoff team.
Romac is a multiple Pro Bowl player waiting to happen!!
November 29th, 2010 at 10:42 am
With Miller and Seymour being key re-signings, I wonder what the future holds for Gallery and Huff.
With Cable gone, will Gallery be gone too? Al loves Michael Huff, but does he love him enough to extend him?
Who replaces these guys if either of them leave?
Gallery’s injury history concerns me, but the Raiders already have the right side of the offensive line to worry about.
Huff has played reasonably well this year and arguably the hardest position in the NFL. His tackling skills have improved dramatically. But how easy would it be to replace him? There are a few players out there who could be acquired (NE’s Jarrad Page, FS Hines from Ohio State, a 4th round prospect), but could they step in for Huff? Is Stevie Brown ready for Huff’s responsibilities?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Our QB play this year is worse than Russell’s in 2008, but yesterday’s stinker by Bruce was better than Russell last year.
LMAO!!! Real great options to choose from these days.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Al only drafted Ford for his speed. Al had no idea he was a good football player, too. If he did, he would only draft fast players who were also good football players. Ford is a fluke, and hopefully he finds a way out of this hell hole. He’s going nowhere here. Al will ruin him.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:42 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Thec,
Russell looked pretty good at LSU too. I’m telling you, Mallett is a timebomb waiting to blow up in the face of the team that drafts him.
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Mallet’s got a great arm but is not much of a decision maker.
Look for him to be a Raider.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Mallet’s got a great arm but is not much of a decision maker.
Look for him to be a Raider
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Hahahahahahah, sad but probably true.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:44 am
2011 Wish list:
-Gruden, Trestman and a WCO
-Kellen Moore
-Jonathan Joseph
November 29th, 2010 at 10:45 am
I’d actually be surprised if the Raiders draft another QB in the first couple rounds ever again under Al Davis. I’m gonna guess that the Andrew Walter and JaMarcus Russell failures soured him on QBs in the draft and he’ll keep scouring the earth for “the next Jim Plunkett.”
November 29th, 2010 at 10:45 am
All is forgiven if we beat SD, KC and Denver again.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Some you guys got your wish yesteday. Cable is def a gonna. They had to succeed yesteday. They didnt and now Cable is already getting ripped apart by the local media and soon AD.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:46 am
LA to TheBay Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:45 am
All is forgiven if we beat SD, KC and Denver again.
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I said earlier today it’d be perfectly in character for this team to sweep the division and still miss the playoffs.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:46 am
If we went 6-0 in the division and 2-8 vs. the rest of the league, I’d be disappointed but not too disappointed.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:47 am
What happened to Jake Locker? His stock was sky high last year and then he decided to go back to school, and now he isn’t even mentioned with the top QBs.
Did he lose some talent around him?
Maybe he is worth a shot?
Oh schyt…even if we take a QB we will still ruin him….Al could have drafted P. Manning and Manning would have only been average because of the culture of this team. Tim Brown and Jerry Porter would have told Manning to piss off when Manning demanded that his WRs spend time with him in the offseason, and Al would have had their back, not Manning’s. Hell, if we had managed the Elway trade he would have been run out of town after his rookie year by the fans.
Drafting a QB just won’t work until Al is gone.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Is Kellen Moore really an option?
He is 6 foot 185 pounds with more of a noodle-arm than Bruce.
I’ll take one of his two WR’s though (Pettis and the Titus guy)
November 29th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Locker is the #2 QB on Kiper’s draft board for whatever that is worth.
He did sign his 300K signing bonus to play outfield with the Angels though, and don’t be too suprised if he goes and plays baseball for a few years first.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:49 am
but yesterday’s stinker by Bruce was better than Russell last year.
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Only by the Fordest of margins.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:49 am
72.LA to TheBay Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:46 am
If we went 6-0 in the division and 2-8 vs. the rest of the league, I’d be disappointed but not too disappointed.
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That is not going to happen. We are not going to block a bunch of punts again against SD and this time we play at KC, and we barely handled them at home.
Might sweep Denver though.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:50 am
aig-raiders Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Some you guys got your wish yesteday. Cable is def a gonna. They had to succeed yesteday. They didnt and now Cable is already getting ripped apart by the local media and soon AD.
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Coach of the year candidate not 3 weeks ago.
The bye week changed everything. Instead of looking prepared with more wrinkles, we look far more vanilla.
Al got his hands in the cookie jar again. Conspiracy theory in full effect today, guys.
Maybe not. It’s tough to say because I don’t think our coaches are competant enough to have stood out with their own gameplan yesterday.
They did get ‘their guy’ at QB and DHB got one touch, so that sounds like a victory for the coaches, but I don’t think we could buy a completion on a crossing route, which sounds like a victory in defeat for Al Davis.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:50 am
I’d be OK with Mallet… Newton, Mallet or Luck would all be upgrades out of the gate.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:51 am
If I’m an agent of the QB we draft, I’m not letting him anywhere near the facility until he has an astronomically record breaking contract, I mean one that makes Russell’s look like a single A minor league baseball deal, with tons of guaranteed cash. When you know you’re going into a train wreck, make sure you’re paid. But I don’t think any good QB would let himself get drafted here. He’d refuse to play.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Hi Redneck Raider! How’s your chat room?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:52 am
DHB is damaged goods, just like Jamarcus.
Should have never started him and played him a ton his rookie year. Developed bad habits, no confidence and total failure.
I think my over/under for his career TD’s at 6 is looking like way to high of a line.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Looking at the first 2 offensive series the failure to run block really killed us. Miami is not a great run stuffing team. Z miller should not have been on the field. He was flat on his back trying to block on two different occasions, and dmac was swarmed in the back field on both plays big losses.
Trying to play area 21 was a huge mistake. Namdi should have rested and we should have rolled with the youth of ware. This would not have stopped the abuse we suffered, but it would have allowed namdi to rest and possibly return later in the year. Playing him may have cost us his season, robbed valuable development reps for ware, and we still got smoked. They went right after namdi and saw he wasnt even close to being himself.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Our starting QB next year will be Jason Campbell. Get it together, guys.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Is Kellen Moore really an option?
He is 6 foot 185 pounds with more of a noodle-arm than Bruce.
I’ll take one of his two WR’s though (Pettis and the Titus guy
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Only in a well-coached WCO. He’d get literally murdered in a Gillman offense.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:53 am
A Gillman offense. LOL. Is that what you think we’re running?
November 29th, 2010 at 10:54 am
JC will answer the call and out duel Phillip rivers. Raiders 42, Chargers 35
November 29th, 2010 at 10:54 am
I don’t know what we’re running. It looks like sh;t.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:54 am
quit all talk about qbs….every spotlight (even batmans) should be shining on the offensive line….the draft should be 7 picks of mean nasty people…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Our starting QB next year will be Jason Campbell. Get it together, guys.
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Depends a lot on if Cable gets fired and who replaces him.
No chance in hell any even moderate of HC candidate would take the job and be saddled with a guy with a career .400 winning percentage. See Washington and Shanahan.
If Cable is back, he will do as told. Jason still will probably have to take a paycut, being that he is set for a 50% raise next season, and he certainly hasn’t earned that.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:55 am
At the very least considering the free agents that are available, and our current qb roster, he could be a huge value pick mid to late. There is none in the nfl currently that i would say is our qb of the future, why not take a flyer on this kid. If it doesnt work out, no sweat he was just a mid / late round pick.
I think he will be a great player.
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The lowest Newton drops is 2nd round. This talk of him going in the mid to late rounds is wishful thinking. In fact, Cam Newton is ranked 15th in the country on Mel Kiper jr. big board.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:55 am
A.B. Paine III Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:54 am
JC will answer the call and out duel Phillip rivers. Raiders 42, Chargers 35
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Man, I hope so. I would love to see it! But I’m not buying it… Defense and DMAC stepping up is the only way to win this game. Another KR TD by Ford would be nice too…
November 29th, 2010 at 10:56 am
80.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:51 am
If I’m an agent of the QB we draft, I’m not letting him anywhere near the facility until he has an astronomically record breaking contract, I mean one that makes Russell’s look like a single A minor league baseball deal, with tons of guaranteed cash. When you know you’re going into a train wreck, make sure you’re paid. But I don’t think any good QB would let himself get drafted here. He’d refuse to play.
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I agree. The chances of a high draft pick of the Oakland Raiders seeing that large second contract are very very low…unless they re-sign with Al of course, lol. So you have to get tons up front, or pull a Manning and let everyone know ahead of time that there is no way the player will play for a team like Oakland.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:56 am
Ford will have to score 30 points by himself for us to win the SD game and even then he may need at least a blocked punt to help.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Guarantee we cover that double-digit point spread this weekend.
I may even dust off the sports interaction account for this one.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:55 am
No chance in hell any even moderate HC candidate would take the job and be saddled with a guy with a career .400 winning percentage.
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No chance in hell any even moderate HC candidate would take the job, period. So that scenario’s out.
November 29th, 2010 at 10:59 am
I think Campbell and Bruce will be in a fierce competition for the starting job again next year.
For the Las Vegas Loco’s.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Al’s going to replace Cable with another puppet, Campbell is starting next year. And that’s the end of it. Oh, and the Raiders will have their 9th straight losing season.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:00 am
I effin hate Rivers but that dude is playing lites out right now. Walter McFadden and Jeremy Ware better get their schytt together this week or else we gonna get ripped a new one again.
3 weeks without a W is so effin brutal.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Vegas, I think Grads will get on elsewhere. He’s proven he can play.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Fassel or Cable next year?
I got to go w/ Cable
Sorry
November 29th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Hit you guys up later….I’m out!
RMR and Red….you guys play nice!
November 29th, 2010 at 11:01 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Thec,
Russell looked pretty good at LSU too. I’m telling you, Mallett is a timebomb waiting to blow up in the face of the team that drafts him.
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Your right..His work ethic issues eminds me of Jruss also…Just throwing ot out to see who bites….
November 29th, 2010 at 11:02 am
“Privately, members of the coaching staff tell McDonald that Darren McFadden isn’t running the same aggressive since he was hurt. McFadden has 18 yards on 16 carries over the last two weeks.”
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they should find who this coach is and fire his a$$. Kinda hard to run when the other LB is in your backfield all day.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:03 am
If I’m an agent of the QB we draft, I’m not letting him anywhere near the facility until he has an astronomically record breaking contract, I mean one that makes Russell’s look like a single A minor league baseball deal, with tons of guaranteed cash. When you know you’re going into a train wreck, make sure you’re paid. But I don’t think any good QB would let himself get drafted here. He’d refuse to play.
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Assuming we do keep our 2nd round pick you wont have that kind of leverage…also looming is a rookie cap..You will be slotted even more so than the NBA…So your point is meaningless…
November 29th, 2010 at 11:04 am
The biggest question with the next HC question is what Al will want to happen with the 2 coordinators he’ll have under contract.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Latest mock off-season:
Trade 2012 1st rounder for 2011 1st rounder
1st round – C Stephen Wisniewski (Penn State)
2nd round – WR Michael Floyd (Notre Dame)
3rd round – QB Nathan Enderle (Idaho)
5th round – CB Davon House (New Mexico State)
6th round – NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame)
7th round – RB Emmanuel Moody (Florida)
Sign FA CB Jonathan Joseph, G Harvey Dahl, RT Jared Gaither
Re-sign Seymour, Miller, Gallery, Huff.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:04 am
olinesux Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:54 am
quit all talk about qbs….every spotlight (even batmans) should be shining on the offensive line….the draft should be 7 picks of mean nasty people…
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Yep, with one of the top 3 going to a real QB….
November 29th, 2010 at 11:06 am
J Hill Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:04 am
The biggest question with the next HC question is what Al will want to happen with the 2 coordinators he’ll have under contract.
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fire them both…Let the new HC bring in his own regime…
November 29th, 2010 at 11:06 am
If the Raiders don’t finish 8-8:
Hue for HC (if only for consistency and a guy the young players like)
Trestman for OC
Hire new WR and DB coaches as well.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:07 am
The defense has no pass rush and Miami picked up every third down they had.
Then the D shows there blitz way too early, Henne checks out of it at the line…First down.
With the offense going three and out all day I’m surprised the score wasn’t worse.
Rivers will have all day to throw and will have hit deep ball after deep ball. Yeah we will limit Tolbert to 80 yards on 20 carries but Rivers will throw for at least 350.
Bottom line. That was a “SHOW ME” game and they showed us that there the same Raiders they have been for the last 7 years.
Its been Al, it is Al and will always be Al. What a joke of a franchise.
And to think about all the money I spent of your company Al.
Shake My MF’en Head!!
November 29th, 2010 at 11:08 am
We all know that Al won’t let a new head coach personally bring in all his guys for the coaching staff and roster, so it’s sort of a moot point.
Al makes the hiring decisions.
Al chooses the scheme.
All that matters is that the coaches can win playing Al Davis football.
Not saying it’s right or wrong, it just is how it is.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:09 am
If the Raiders don’t finish 8-8:
Hue for HC (if only for consistency and a guy the young players like)
Trestman for OC
Hire new WR and DB coaches as well.
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Hue jack will want to be HC/OCO as well…
WR, and DB coaches a must…Let the new coach bring in his own personnel….
Back the brinks up to bill parcells house, Mr. Davis takes a vaction until week 8 2011…
November 29th, 2010 at 11:09 am
YA,
Did you see the quick sample draft I threw out earlier this morning?
2nd round – Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
3rd round – Kris O’Dowd, C, USC
4th round – Darius Morris, OT, Temple
5th round – Terrance Toliver, WR, LSU
6th round – Anthony Gray, NT, Southern Mississippi
7th round – John Bender, G, Nevada
November 29th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Clearly, Gradkowski should not have been out there yesterday. He couldn’t throw the ball.
I prefer Grads to Campbell, but Cable dropped the ball on this one. You have to go with the guy who is healthy and can REACH his receivers.
Not that it would have mattered if Dan Marino was back there. We got embarrassed on both sides of the line by an average team.
The reality is that the Raiders beat up on two soft teams — Denver and Seattle — and can’t stay on the field with physical teams. We are a long way from being a real contender.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Trestman is already a head coach. He’s enormously successful, popular and well-paid. He’s not going to the NFL unless it’s for a head coaching job.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:10 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:08 am
We all know that Al won’t let a new head coach personally bring in all his guys for the coaching staff and roster, so it’s sort of a moot point.
Al makes the hiring decisions.
Al chooses the scheme.
All that matters is that the coaches can win playing Al Davis football.
Not saying it’s right or wrong, it just is how it is.
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Major problem…..
November 29th, 2010 at 11:10 am
I like that draft too. I think Terrance Toliver could be a very good receiver in this league.
I like Kris O’Dowd, but his injury history concerns me. Still, if we can’t trade into the first round, he will probably be the best center on the board and a must-pick for the Raiders.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Gradkowski proves that the so-called theory about him making “quicker reads”, doesnt negate the fact that they are largely the wrong reads.
Grads drops back has DHB singled on one side, Z miller beating his man down the seem, and dmac running free and clear underneath. Bruce lofts up a twinki cream soft, canned corn helium ball, into double coverage, that is easily picked by the corner.
I would rather play the guy that may be more deliberate, but is much more accurate, and much less turnover prone. Tom flores could step out of the booth right now and have stronger more accurate arm.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:12 am
I didn’t know Trestman was still a HC. You’re right, probably wouldn’t come here unless it’s for a head coaching job.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:13 am
The defense has no pass rush and Miami picked up every third down they had.
Then the D shows there blitz way too early, Henne checks out of it at the line…First down.
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I have been screaming this point for several weeks now…
Why is Quicksain allways delclaring early????
we should be doing what pitts does, more delays….
Also why do we have guys like Quicksain on a blitz running into a gap where we allready have a rusher engaged with a blocker….Keystone cops, even on the blitz….
November 29th, 2010 at 11:13 am
Back the brinks up to bill parcells house, Mr. Davis takes a vaction until week 8 2011…
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For the right money, I think Parcells would be up for it and like the challenge…
..EXCEPT, there’s zero chance Al gives the control to Parcells he’d demand.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:14 am
cable & grads, pack your bags losers…neither of you are NFL caliber
November 29th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Trestman would be a great hire. he just won his 3rd grey cup in canada.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Bruce lofts up a twinki cream soft, canned corn helium ball, into double coverage, that is easily picked by the corner.
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lol…
November 29th, 2010 at 11:15 am
..EXCEPT, there’s zero chance Al gives the control to Parcells he’d demand.
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EXACLTY…its all about control…Thought it was about winning….
November 29th, 2010 at 11:15 am
It’s a shame because if that one ball was thrown on time, Ford has two TDs on the day.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:16 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:15 am
It’s a shame because if that one ball was thrown on time, Ford has two TDs on the day.
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Three.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Gradkowski was set up with a poor offensive gameplan, and that’s why he couldn’t do anything. Yesterday’s loss was all on Al. If I’m Cable, I’m starting Boller next week just to piss Al off. He’s got nothing to lose at this point.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Why do you guys keep bringing up Parcells? Does Parcells have a son or something?
November 29th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Word, three. I was thinking receiving TDs.
Pretty ridiculous that Ford was single-handedly responsible for all the Raiders points yesterday.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:19 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Word, three. I was thinking receiving TDs.
Pretty ridiculous that Ford was single-handedly responsible for all the Raiders points yesterday.
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JFORD is overated, he gets lucky, we need to trade him to KC for a 7th rd pick…lol
November 29th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Haha I like how earlier in the year when I said I wanted to see what Ford had, some folks around here were all “WHAT HAS HE DONE TO DESERVE BEING ON THE FIELD!!?!?!11″
This is why you let the young kids play. There’s no other way to know what they have.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:22 am
This is why you let the young kids play. There’s no other way to know what they have.
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Exaclty….
November 29th, 2010 at 11:24 am
This is why you let the young kids play. There’s no other way to know what they have.
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Exaclty….
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And now we should have an open roster spot after letting WMac show what he has (or rather, doesn’t have)
November 29th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Ford is a baller, but not sure why he is SOLELY responsible for this TD catch.
It was the perfect read (single-coverage no safety help) and an even better throw in the face of blitz and a pending hit from a LB.
Great play all the way around. About the only one on the day.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Al Davis had no clue Ford was a good football player. It’s just going to jack is price up, and he’ll be gone. I guarantee you Al isn’t going to secure Ford long term.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Vincent Jackson has a calf injury … I wonder if he’ll play against us?
November 29th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Where and the hell was Ware at yesterday?
November 29th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:59 am
I think Campbell and Bruce will be in a fierce competition for the starting job again next year.
For the Las Vegas Loco’s.
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Why would a Championship calibur team like the Loco’s even want a couple of bums like JC and BG
November 29th, 2010 at 11:31 am
DMAC Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Where and the hell was Ware at yesterday?
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Healthy scratch.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:35 am
SD’s offense didn’t do much against Indy.
Rivers 185 yards
Gates 4 catches for 46 yards
Naanee 3 grabs for 38 yards
Seyi 1 for 16
5 FG’s by Kaeding
stop the run. no turnovers = WIN!
November 29th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:59 am
I think Campbell and Bruce will be in a fierce competition for the starting job again next year.
For the Las Vegas Loco’s.
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An upgrade over the job they’re competing for now.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:36 am
There is no more debate about the value of Namdi. he tried to play hurt and was beaten. He left the game and wheels completely came off of our pass defense. This inability to cover meant our pass rush was doomed. Even though your getting pressure and hits there are guys busting open in the secondary. When we are able to blanket on the back end our pass rush is much better, blitz or no blitz.
This is the true value of namdi, and why he is indispensable.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:36 am
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November 29th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Mistic1 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Gradkowski proves that the so-called theory about him making “quicker reads”, doesnt negate the fact that they are largely the wrong reads.
Grads drops back has DHB singled on one side, Z miller beating his man down the seem, and dmac running free and clear underneath. Bruce lofts up a twinki cream soft, canned corn helium ball, into double coverage, that is easily picked by the corner.
I would rather play the guy that may be more deliberate, but is much more accurate, and much less turnover prone. Tom flores could step out of the booth right now and have stronger more accurate arm.
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LOL!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 11:38 am
CJ37 & Ware were missed as much (if not more so) than Nnamdi yesterday!
Walter Mac clearly hasn’t had enough time to recover from that hamstring injury
November 29th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Ford is a baller<——-Overated and Too short…lol
November 29th, 2010 at 11:40 am
I won’t say that McFadden or Ware should be cut, but it’s obvious they’re not starting-caliber players, or even up to the nickel role quite yet.
If the Raiders are looking for a starter opposite Nnamdi, they should go after Jonathan Joseph from Cinci. That team already has a very good corner in Leon Hall, and Joseph is a #2 CB who has very solid man coverage skills.
Put him across the field from Nnamdi with CJ or Huff as a nickel corner, and let a new DBs coach work with either McFadden or Ware as a 4th/5th corner.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Gradkowski was set up with a poor offensive gameplan, and that’s why he couldn’t do anything. Yesterday’s loss was all on Al. If I’m Cable, I’m starting Boller next week just to piss Al off. He’s got nothing to lose at this point.
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Agree with you 100% on JR. But this Grads stuff makes no sense. NFL scouts graded him as a scrub when he was drafted. And he’s never done a damn thing in this league to prove them wrong.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Post Game recap videos…….. http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2010/11/post-game-recap-videos-week-11-vs-fins.html
November 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am
YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:40 am
I won’t say that McFadden or Ware should be cut, but it’s obvious they’re not starting-caliber players, or even up to the nickel role quite yet.
If the Raiders are looking for a starter opposite Nnamdi, they should go after Jonathan Joseph from Cinci. That team already has a very good corner in Leon Hall, and Joseph is a #2 CB who has very solid man coverage skills.
Put him across the field from Nnamdi with CJ or Huff as a nickel corner, and let a new DBs coach work with either McFadden or Ware as a 4th/5th corner.
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Interesting…
November 29th, 2010 at 11:42 am
“Gradkowski has been erratic today”- Gus Johnson Cbs
Hilarious
November 29th, 2010 at 11:44 am
I missed all the morning draft talk but I have an idea:
Since we don’t value roster spots or draft position, here is what we should do.
With our 2nd and 3rd rnd picks we should draft two strong armed gym rat QBs. I don’t think we will bomb out with 2 high shots at it.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:45 am
changing his name from the great gradkowski to the glass armed louski!!!!the boy sucks
November 29th, 2010 at 11:49 am
If anything I have to give credit for the Miami offense for a good gameplan. They know the Raiders are going to play man-to-man all day, so they just went after McFadden relentlessly on third down.
I wish the Raiders were as good at finding a team’s weaknesses and exploiting them.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:50 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:40 am
I won’t say that McFadden or Ware should be cut, but it’s obvious they’re not starting-caliber players, or even up to the nickel role quite yet.
If the Raiders are looking for a starter opposite Nnamdi, they should go after Jonathan Joseph from Cinci. That team already has a very good corner in Leon Hall, and Joseph is a #2 CB who has very solid man coverage skills.
Put him across the field from Nnamdi with CJ or Huff as a nickel corner, and let a new DBs coach work with either McFadden or Ware as a 4th/5th corner.
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I like that idea.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Bruise basically played the same game yesterday that he did against Pittsburgh last year. The only difference is that this time Murphy didn’t bail him out on a moon ball and Miami’s DBs caught made the EASY catches. The guy got all kinds of breaks yesterday. He faced a QB with a wooden leg. No Brandon Marshall. Ford spots him a 7-point lead. Miami made some curious play calls and Chad Henne had a couple of brain farts. We were at home. Blowout, right? Yeah, for Miami! Bruise has proven that even with all the good fortune in the world (AZ & Miami), he cannot win in this league.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Let’s say Grads is IR’d after the MRI….
Who do we bring in as our 3rd QB?
Well, I would say Daunte Culpepper since he just finished a season in Sacremento and is in game shape but I’m afraid there’s too many haters out there. He didn’t play real well his one season here (although he was the best of the 3 qb’s on the team) but if you’re just looking for an emergency qb, why not?
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November 29th, 2010 at 11:51 am
I was forced to gather pinyon nuts for the indians (dern them and their almost free firewood) so I missed the game.
I dont want to sift through all the comments
What happened?
Secondery sucked?
Both lines are soft as wet cotton?
QB play stunk the joint up?
November 29th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Can anyone explain why murphy started over DHB?
If DHB wasnt healthy why did he get on the field at all?
Murphy has dropped passes, fumbled balls and still doesnt know where he is on the field half of the time. He is out of bounds more than coaches. He is also giving his best randy moss gator arm impersonation.
DHB has out performed him. DHB has big flaws however he has had at least the one big game. He has also had a few nice moments with decent games this year.
DHB is paid 25 mil and drafted number seven. This along with the fact that he has outperformed all receivers on the field other than ford, mandates that he sees the field.
I dont understand the way the players are being managed over the last couple of weeks. You must put your young talent on the field in order to develop them and at the least, evaluate a their body of work..
November 29th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Secondery sucked?
Both lines are soft as wet cotton?
QB play stunk the joint up?
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Yes.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:55 am
This along with the fact that he has outperformed all receivers on the field other than ford,
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LOL
November 29th, 2010 at 11:56 am
WTF was Grads starting if he wasn’t 100% healthy??
Ay vey!
November 29th, 2010 at 11:56 am
This team needs to run the ball to have any success no matter who is the QB. Both of these guys can do a good job, not great, but they need to run the ball first. 2 weeks in a row they didn’t even try. 12 tries this week and 16 last week. They should have run 12 times in the first quarter and to the left, not the right. Soften them up and hit the d with Bush. Did anyone notice the Dolphins pass plays were timing routes? What the heck is wrong with jamming the receiver at the line? This would have created plenty of problems for Miami and helped our line out immensely.
November 29th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Jimbo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 10:16 am
This Grads/JC debate is insane/inane.
Let’s play the gameshow, “which QB sucks more?”
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Exactly!
November 29th, 2010 at 11:57 am
The coaches need to step it the hell up when it comes to game planning and so does the OLine and DLines when it comes to playing lower, gaining leverage and being PHYSICAL!
November 29th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:55 am
This along with the fact that he has outperformed all receivers on the field other than ford,
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LOL
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What is so funny? Does murphy have a game like DHB had vs seattle? No. Out side of that game DHB and murphy have been about even. Difference is DHB hasnt had trouble staying in the field of play, and hasnt turned the ball over.
Only ford has played better than dhb. May not be saying much but it is the truth.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
darkmarlo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:56 am
This team needs to run the ball to have any success no matter who is the QB. Both of these guys can do a good job, not great, but they need to run the ball first. 2 weeks in a row they didn’t even try. 12 tries this week and 16 last week. They should have run 12 times in the first quarter and to the left, not the right. Soften them up and hit the d with Bush. Did anyone notice the Dolphins pass plays were timing routes? What the heck is wrong with jamming the receiver at the line? This would have created plenty of problems for Miami and helped our line out immensely.
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Pittsburgh exsposed us…Stack the box, force the raiders to beat you with their passing attack…
Need a good oline, QB, and WR’s…
November 29th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
We probably gonna bring Losman in this week.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
WTF is up with these pop up advertisments???? I hate public service announcments, and commercials….
November 29th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Secondery sucked?
Both lines are soft as wet cotton?
QB play stunk the joint up?
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Yes.
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Add to those the fact that until the 4th quarter, our longest offensive drive was… wait for it… FOUR PLAYS! We had ZERO offensive possesions lasting longer than 10 plays. Our defense was on the field for 48 minutes! 48 minutes. Jacoby Ford bailed us out (all 17 points are directly because of his stellar play and nothing else) from a shutout. No Ford, No points.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Yeah, there’s no way the Raider defense holds up playing all man-to-man coverage for almost 50 minutes. It’s just not going to happen.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
finally someone realizes how good nmamdi is….
November 29th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Murphy has as many catches in one game as DHB does for his career! Its not even close. I will agree that since returning from the bruised lung Murph looks totally lost, but to say DHB is better receiver? Come on dude, DHB isnt even a better receiver than KHALIF BARNES!
November 29th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
they dont need a good oline they need an avg line…these guys are slow weak and lazy
November 29th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Mistic,
Take away the Seattle game from DHB (Murphy didn’t play, or else I’d deduct it from his stats as well) and this what you get:
DHB–14 catches, 161 yards, 0 TDs in 9 games
Murphy–28 catches, 435 yards, 1 TD in 9 games
But, yeah, DHB is awesome.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
olinesux Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
finally someone realizes how good nmamdi is….
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Too bad none of you can spell his GD name! Its NNAMDI N-N-A-M-D-I… its one thing when fans of other teams cant get it right but jeezus the guy is in his EIGHTH season with us!!!!
November 29th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Hell, the team should be working on correcting the flaws in Murphy’s game more than Heyward-Bey’s.
Murphy is salvageable. DHB is a lost cause. Throw him overboard.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
The staff is under the microscope after the boneheaded decision to bench campbell after the pitt game.
Pitt can make any qb look bad. Miami cant make that claim. pitt blitzed us out of the building. Miami is playing coverage, there is no rush on grads, he is just flat out missing. He turned a middle of the road defense into the 85 bears.
There goes the nonsensical notion about grads deep ball ability. The under throw to ford for the int is one of the worst passes i have ever seen a grown man make. That pass fell out of the sky like a frozen turkey. Ive seen weeble wobbles with better arms than grads.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Mistic,
Take away the Seattle game from DHB (Murphy didn’t play, or else I’d deduct it from his stats as well) and this what you get:
DHB–14 catches, 161 yards, 0 TDs in 9 games
Murphy–28 catches, 435 yards, 1 TD in 9 games
But, yeah, DHB is awesome.
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The 2 of them combined are about as good as Blair White… some guy Peyton Manning met at McDonalds in week 6.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
ill try and remember that…meanwhile the oline still sux….fire cable!
November 29th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Mistic1 says:
That pass fell out of the sky like a frozen turkey. Ive seen weeble wobbles with better arms than grads.
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Post of the year!
November 29th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Mistic,
Take away the Seattle game from DHB (Murphy didn’t play, or else I’d deduct it from his stats as well) and this what you get:
DHB–14 catches, 161 yards, 0 TDs in 9 games
Murphy–28 catches, 435 yards, 1 TD in 9 games
But, yeah, DHB is awesome.
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Who said awsome?
You cant take away the seattle game, it is part of DHB’s over all out put this season. Murphy has regressed from his promising yet shaky rookies season. On the field this year he has not looked any better than dhb. DHb is paid the big bucks and was drafted high. If the production is about the same between these two than you must play DHB and force feed him the ball. Especially since this season is over. this should have been the approach weeks ago in my opinion.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Trade nnamdi and our 2012 1st rounder with for a early 1st round pick and draft andrew luck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiFkLbz2FUw
November 29th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Pitt can make any qb look bad.
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They didn’t make Joe Flacco, Drew Brees or Tom Brady look all that bad.
Flacco: 24 of 37 for 256 yards 1 TD, 1 INT
Brees: 34 of 44 for 305 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Brady: 30 of 43 for 350 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Of course all those three guys have talent, something sorely lacking in Campbell and Gradkowski (I was wrong about him, it seems. I admit it)
A good QB can beat the Steelers. Ours couldn’t because they’re not good.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Mistic,
YOU’RE the one who said “Out side of that game [Seattle] DHB and murphy have been about even”
So I looked at the numbers of the games “outside that game” and showed that Murphy is far more productive than DHB could ever hope to be.
So, no, the production is not “about the same” as you say.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
luck would be buried with satalle, carlisle and walker on the line..they would turn him into david carr…..speaking if fresno state….fire pat hill…then fire cable!
November 29th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
im telling u! trade Aso come draft for a 1st. i bet that was their deal when resigning him. some stupid team will do it too.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Luck is rediculous hes like big ben 2.0, run, throw. Look at him step up in the pocket EVERY DAM PLAY, pocket awareness. CANNON ARM.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
RAY OF LIGHT….
if SOMEHOW…SOMEWAY we win on sunday we are right back in this thing….in a BIG way….6-6with Sd..and 4-0 in div (2-0 vs SD)….
Lots of GLOOM AND DOOM..but u know what we are VERY much alive as far as w-l right now..esp with 3-0…
as a fan I DEMAND 1000% EFFORT ON SUNDAY…u lose? ok but LEAVE IT ON THE FIELD…
in many ways they should play loose as h3ll knowing NO ONE believes they have a chance (incl most of this board)…these guys have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to lose…
if we go out lets go out GUNS A ‘BLAZIN!
I also say confuse the issue..give BOLLER a shot…what do we have to lose? if not a start give SOUP can the -early- hook (again) if he reverts back to his catonic self….
and…since Gradglaski is going IR…sign that kid from Hawaii (brennan)…if for nothing else development for 2011…he had a knack for making tight throws and winning games…something we have been sorely lacking since 2002
one more thing…where the h3ll is D mcfadden? god= weeks 1-9..then ZERO…NADA? cant be all OL, sorry!
November 29th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am
this Grads stuff makes no sense. NFL scouts graded him as a scrub when he was drafted. And he’s never done a damn thing in this league to prove them wrong.
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Nonsense.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Later Peoples!
Go A’s!
Go DUBS!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Fremont High Tigers!
Go Raiders!
November 29th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Gradkowski should be fixing my car.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Grads has definitely been fully exposed no doubt yeah
November 29th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
# Jmackraider12 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Luck is rediculous hes like big ben 2.0, run, throw. Look at him step up in the pocket EVERY DAM PLAY, pocket awareness. CANNON ARM.
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Went to the big game a few weeks ago, and finally got to see Luck in live action.
Andrew Luck = The truth
November 29th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Right or wrong, Campbell will be the starter for the rest of the season. At least we don’t have to worry about who’s the starter from here on out, so there’s that.
Prove me wrong, Jason. I’m begging you.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
185.Jmackraider12 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Trade nnamdi and our 2012 1st rounder with for a early 1st round pick and draft andrew luck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiFkLbz2FUw
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after watching this no way AD drafts him. cant seem to throw a deep pass.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Right or wrong, Campbell will be the starter for the rest of the season. At least we don’t have to worry about who’s the starter from here on out, so there’s that.
Prove me wrong, Jason. I’m begging you.
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I’m sure there will be a bunch of Boller supporters soon.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
A.B. Paine III Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Gradkowski should be fixing my car.
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LOL!!! might happen very soon…
November 29th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I want Vince Young in a Raider uniform next season.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
I’d hate to see that clean-cut, white, pocket-passer from Stanford have his career ruined in Oakland.
(sarcasm)
November 29th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Luck is not coming here. He’s probably the #1 overall and a lock for the top 3. With a rookie pay scale coming in the next CBA, there’s not even a cause for a team to trade back for financial reasons because they won’t be paying him an exorbitant salary.
Besides, the Raiders couldn’t provide an adequate package to move up that far, regardless, short of pulling a Ricky Williams type draft day trade. And that would be stupid.
I agree, the guy is “the truth” as DMac says, but he is not going to be a Raider this April.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Pitt can make any qb look bad.
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They didn’t make Joe Flacco, Drew Brees or Tom Brady look all that bad.
Flacco: 24 of 37 for 256 yards 1 TD, 1 INT
Brees: 34 of 44 for 305 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Brady: 30 of 43 for 350 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
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What do all three have in common? They have all been in the same offense for more than one year. They all have had better pass protection than us.
These 3 games dont take away from the well establish fact hat pitts blitz package is one of the best in the league and they take apart a lot of passing offenses year in year out.
Nice try but you cant pin the pitt game on our qbs’
November 29th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
A.B. Paine III Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I want Vince Young in a Raider uniform next season.
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Prima donna locker room cancer and overrated QB besides? No thanks.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Mistic,
In defending Campbell, you said Pitt could “make any qb look bad.” I pointed out 3 QBs that looked pretty damn good against Pittsburgh. So they clearly can’t make “any” QB look bad. Good QBs can succeed. Ours aren’t, I repeat.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
No QB is coming here without their agent holding Al’s balls to the fire, a la Russell. They know the deal in Oakland. No QB will come here unless he knows he’s getting P A I D, for real. Because there’s nothing else with the Raiders. You’re not going to win. It’s going to be nothing but humiliation as you get thrown into a chaotic system, and you’ll be the first one scapegoated.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
A.B. Paine III Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I want Vince Young in a Raider uniform next season.
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Prima donna locker room cancer and overrated QB besides? No thanks.
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Maybe, but it’s better than starting the Mechanic or Prince.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Young would be a disaster. He’s in a good system in Tennessee and look how he’s acting. Imagine him here. Possible the worst QB in Raider history.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
# Glutten for Punishment Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
185.Jmackraider12 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Trade nnamdi and our 2012 1st rounder with for a early 1st round pick and draft andrew luck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiFkLbz2FUw
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after watching this no way AD drafts him. cant seem to throw a deep pass.
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Why you say that you only watched the first minute and a half? idiot
November 29th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Mistic,
YOU’RE the one who said “Out side of that game [Seattle] DHB and murphy have been about even”
So I looked at the numbers of the games “outside that game” and showed that Murphy is far more productive than DHB could ever hope to be.
So, no, the production is not “about the same” as you say.
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Im afraid the difference between the two has been negligible. Not nearly enough evidence to suggest in any way that scale tips in favor of murphy.
I only isolated the seattle game in fairness to murphy, he doesnt have anything that approaches dhb’s performance in the seattle game.
Numbers dont tell the whole story, my eys tell me he is dropping as many if not more passes, and making more mistakes than dhb.
You no.7 has to play, especially when the other guys have done nothing to make a case for playing over dhb. None except ford that is.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Jmackraider12 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Trade nnamdi and our 2012 1st rounder with for a early 1st round pick and draft andrew luck.
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Luck will be the #1 QB guaranteed. He and Harbaugh will be the new face of the Carolina Panthers. Write it down, mail it to a friend, hell have Peter King tweet it.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
What is so funny? Does murphy have a game like DHB had vs seattle?
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oh stop with the silly babble.
DHB’s td was because defenders made a bad play on the ball. DHB was standing there, as they missed going after the ball. Don’t get all excited because someone caught a pass. Children do it every day on the playground.
difference is they aren’t paid 22 million to catch them all the time, and to help out the team.
all Bey is guilty of is taking the 22 mil. sure as hell doesn’t catch balls, and sure as hell doesn’t help the team.
Oh, my bad. except for that one time the defense gave him a freeby
November 29th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Grads been exposed btw evrybody im gona post this every 5 min just to remind people
November 29th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
The only reason for a decent player to come to Oakland anymore is to take their chunk of the money Al’s willing to overpay to convince his fans he went on a “spending spree”. LOL.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Young would be a disaster. He’s in a good system in Tennessee and look how he’s acting. Imagine him here. Possible the worst QB in Raider history.
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I have a feeling he would excel if he gets away from Fisher and his stache.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Grad did an excellent job yesterday considering the circumstances. He at least made the game exciting with his pass to Ford for a TD. There’s no way Campbell would have pulled that off. If Campbell plays yesterday we lose 34-0.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
I’d hate to see that clean-cut, white, pocket-passer from Stanford have his career ruined in Oakland.
(sarcasm)
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Just like marinovich…
November 29th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
I’d hate to see that clean-cut, white, pocket-passer from Stanford have his career ruined in Oakland.
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another race comment from the board racist.
I’m curious. what nationality are you?
November 29th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
# bcz24 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Jmackraider12 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Trade nnamdi and our 2012 1st rounder with for a early 1st round pick and draft andrew luck.
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Luck will be the #1 QB guaranteed. He and Harbaugh will be the new face of the Carolina Panthers. Write it down, mail it to a friend, hell have Peter King tweet it.
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lol nice, “hell have Peter King tweet it” lol nice
November 29th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Grad was thrown into a horrible game plan. I think he was set up to fail, by Al Davis. I think Al forced that vertical game b.s. on Cable to sabotage Gradkowski. It’s a perfect plan. You look like the good guy for letting Cable start his guy, then you set him up to make him look bad. This is nothing new. It’s an old trick corporate management has used for years.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
sign that kid from Hawaii (brennan)…if for nothing else development for 2011…he had a knack for making tight throws and winning games…something we have been sorely lacking since 2002
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Colt Brennan was just released from the hospital after his car accident a few weeks ago in which he suffered broken ribs, a broken left eye orbital socket and a myriad of other injuries. At this point he is PRAYING to be a part of someones training camp next year, but certainly wont be signed to anybodys roster this year.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Al Davis left Grads out to dry yesterday. Nobody was rooting harder for Miami than Al Davis.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Grad did an excellent job yesterday considering the circumstances. He at least made the game exciting with his pass to Ford for a TD. There’s no way Campbell would have pulled that off. If Campbell plays yesterday we lose 34-0.
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made the game exciting?
we obviously differ on what exciting means. getting outplayed on both sides of the ball isn’t exciting.
one td pass doesn’t change that
November 29th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Grad was thrown into a horrible game plan. I think he was set up to fail, by Al Davis. I think Al forced that vertical game b.s. on Cable to sabotage Gradkowski. It’s a perfect plan. You look like the good guy for letting Cable start his guy, then you set him up to make him look bad. This is nothing new. It’s an old trick corporate management has used for years.
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Common dude..really?
November 29th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Mistic,
In defending Campbell, you said Pitt could “make any qb look bad.” I pointed out 3 QBs that looked pretty damn good against Pittsburgh. So they clearly can’t make “any” QB look bad. Good QBs can succeed. Ours aren’t, I repeat.
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This argument fails to stand the test of reason.
Saying that team “can make any qb look bad”, is not the same as saying they ” will or do make every qb look bad”.
Very few defenses in nfl history can make that claim, and i certainly haven’t elevated this years pitt defense to that level.
To expect any defense to shut down every single qb in every single game for an entire season isnt very realistic.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Grad did an excellent job yesterday considering the circumstances. He at least made the game exciting with his pass to Ford for a TD. There’s no way Campbell would have pulled that off. If Campbell plays yesterday we lose 34-0.
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You are so full of sh*t. That was one of the worst QB performances by a Raider I have seen. And being a Raider fan, I have seen some pretty awful games. Your theory about Davis conspiring against Grads is nonsense.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
sad.
november and posters are already arguing next years draft picks.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Tony, it’s only a game because Grads throws that TD pass to Ford. Campbell would have slipped and threw the ball into the dirt on that play. Grads was set back by a horrible game plan, and that was the problem. He’s a WCO QB and we have WCO plays in our playbook. We used the vertical instead, per Al’s insistence. He set Grads up. The scumbag.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
A.B. Paine, the QB performance was fine, it was the offensive gameplan that sucked. Why do you call nothing but vertical plays with a WCO QB? To set him up to fail. Al Davis is scum. He deserves nothing but hell on earth until he finally leaves it. And he’s getting it, year after year, week after week.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
I only isolated the seattle game in fairness to murphy, he doesnt have anything that approaches dhb’s performance in the seattle game.
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Oh for god’s sake.
Murphy vs. STL: 6 catches, 91 yards, 1 TD
vs. Arizona: 5 catches, 119 yards
vs. Miami: 4 catches, 73 yards
Look, mistic, let me explain myself here so maybe you understand better. I’m not defending Murphy as an amazing receiver. He’s mediocre at best, but I believe he can get better with better coaching. That’s neither here nor there right now, though.
What I am arguing with you about is that Murphy, despite his many flaws, is twice the receiver DHB is. Murphy is dropping twice as many balls as DHB, you say? Maybe because he can at least get separation enough to get some passes thrown his way. Can’t drop passes if you’re not targeted and you’re not gonna be targeted if you can’t get away from coverage. That’s DHB. Murphy has shown enough ability to make me think he can be salvaged, or at least be a useful 3rd/4th reciever. DHB has shown nothing except that he can run fast when he doesn’t have pads on.
I’m also not arguing that Gradkowski is any great shakes. In fact, I admitted I was wrong. I just wish you could do the same and admit Campbell sucks too.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
If the Raiders want Luck it’s going to take a ridiculous trade package that will, at the very least, include next year’s first round pick, probably the second round pick as well, Nnamdi Asomugha, and maybe this year’s second round pick.
Think about what the Bears gave up in the Jay Cutler trade, and then realize that the Broncos didn’t even really want Jay Cutler.
I think Luck is the real deal, but is it worth giving up the picks it would take to put an offensive line and good WRs around him?
Only if Al Davis manages to bring in (and overpay) a ton of guys in free agency would that be a legitimate option. If Al went out and got Vincent Jackson, Harvey Dahl, Jared Gaither, a legit starting center (not sure who would even be available), and THEN still re-signed Seymour, Miller, and Gallery… well, it would take no small miracle.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Thank you Bruce Gradkowski for at least making it somewhat of a game yesterday. It’s just too bad Cable couldn’t stand up to Al and use a WCO playbook for you. If he had, we’d have won. Period. Thanks, Al.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
# ArchiveTony Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
mistic1 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
What is so funny? Does murphy have a game like DHB had vs seattle?
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oh stop with the silly babble.
DHB’s td was because defenders made a bad play on the ball. DHB was standing there, as they missed going after the ball. Don’t get all excited because someone caught a pass. Children do it every day on the playground.
difference is they aren’t paid 22 million to catch them all the time, and to help out the team.
all Bey is guilty of is taking the 22 mil. sure as hell doesn’t catch balls, and sure as hell doesn’t help the team.
Oh, my bad. except for that one time the defense gave him a freeby
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As usual you have missed the boat entirely. This discussion had nothing to do with how good or bad he is.
DHB if healthy should never sit for murphy. Murphy has been brutal, certainly no better than our number seven pick.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
RMR is just trolling. Don’t pay attention to him and he’ll go away.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
MR, I’m no fan of Davis, but the reason they were throwing deep passes was because they had no other options. You can’t use a short passing game when there are no possession receivers. Grads balls are bigger than his brains. He thought he was Brady yesterday.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
I’m starting to realize arguing with mistic is a lot like trying to teach physics to a tree. You can explain slowly and patiently until you drop dead from old age, but nothing will get through.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
ArchiveTony Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
sad.
november and posters are already arguing next years draft picks.
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Why is that sad? Its November 29th. Last year we were debating draft picks on September 8th… this is a hella improvement my friend!
November 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Grad did an excellent job yesterday considering the circumstances. He at least made the game exciting with his pass to Ford for a TD. There’s no way Campbell would have pulled that off. If Campbell plays yesterday we lose 34-0.
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Grad was thrown into a horrible game plan. I think he was set up to fail, by Al Davis. I think Al forced that vertical game b.s. on Cable to sabotage Gradkowski. It’s a perfect plan. You look like the good guy for letting Cable start his guy, then you set him up to make him look bad. This is nothing new. It’s an old trick corporate management has used for years.
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Comments like these are exactly why you have zero credibility on this board, and could never be taken seriously.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
A.B. Paine III Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
MR, I’m no fan of Davis, but the reason they were throwing deep passes was because they had no other options.
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No other options,…hmm.
Let’s see, is there a law against using shorter passing routes?
Did the league just pass some kind of rule not allowing you to do it?
Or, are you just making this up?
I’m going with number 3. Nice try, though. Well, not really. Pretty obvious from the get go. LOL.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
RMR is just trolling. Don’t pay attention to him and he’ll go away.
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The guy sounds like part conspiracy theorist, part jilted lover. And why is he posting the same thing over and over again? I get it, you think Al Davis sabotaged BG. I dont need to read it every third post.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Murphy just publicly called out the coaches for the QB flip flopping. LOL.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Mistic, you can say what you want of my credibility. I’ve got news for you, you’re not exactly a valid source yourself. But I stand by my point. Gradkowski did an excellent job yesterday considering the crappy game plan he was thrown into. He at least made the game exciting. It was a game until the 4th quarter. With Campbell, it would have been over by half time. But of course, Gradkowski probably would have came in at that point, anyway, to make it somewhat exciting. In this ass backward system, that’s pretty much his role, I guess.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
DHB if healthy should never sit for murphy. Murphy has been brutal, certainly no better than our number seven pick.
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My god, did you not see the numbers I posted? Even giving DHB his Seattle game, which gives him 10 games played to Murphy’s 9, he’s still far behind Murphy in production.
Murphy has yet to be held catchless in any game he’s played this year. DHB has been shutout 3 times.
What part of this aren’t you getting?
November 29th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
What more could Gradkowski had done yesterday considering that leather helmet offense he was thrown into? I’ll wait.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
A.B. Paine III Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
MR, I’m no fan of Davis, but the reason they were throwing deep passes was because they had no other options.
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No other options,…hmm.
Let’s see, is there a law against using shorter passing routes?
Did the league just pass some kind of rule not allowing you to do it?
Or, are you just making this up?
I’m going with number 3. Nice try, though. Well, not really. Pretty obvious from the get go. LOL.
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Nice job Mistabrown. I see you have been watching a lot of Fox News.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Mistic, stop giving him the attention he craves so badly. The more you respond to him, the more his nonsense posts will clutter the blog.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Look, mistic, let me explain myself here so maybe you understand better. I’m not defending Murphy as an amazing receiver. He’s mediocre at best, but I believe he can get better with better coaching. That’s neither here nor there right now, though.
. Murphy has shown enough ability to make me think he can be salvaged, or at least be a useful 3rd/4th reciever.
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he maybe a great 3rd or 4th, dhb was drafted and is getting paid to be a number 1. We must have him on the field and force feed him so he can either prove or disprove his salary and draft status.
Your assessment is exactly why dhb when healthy must play ahead of murphy.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
MR is the Glenn Beck of this blog.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Gradkowski did a fine job yesterday considering the circumstances. There’s nothing more he could have done. He was saddled with the most archaic game plan I’d ever seen. Looked like something we used in the ’80s. 10 yard comebacks, lol. No crosses, no RB short out patterns, no RB hitches, no TE hitches, nothing to get to those 3rd and short situations, build drives. It’s obvious Al set Bruce up to fail.
November 29th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
An Amish farmer walking through his field notices a man drinking from his pond, with his hand.
The Amish man shouts: “Trinken Sie nicht das Wasser, die Kuhe und die Schweine haben in ihm geschissen!”
Which means: “Don’t drink the water, the cows and the pigs have S_ _ _ in it!”
The man shouts back: “I don’t understand your gibberish. Speak English!”
The Amish man shouts back in English:
“Use two hands, you’ll get more!”
November 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Time of possession was horrible. That’s almost always offensive game planning. Show me a team with a ridiculously low T.O.P. and I’ll show you a team trying to force too much down field. Bruce got screwed yesterday.
November 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Al Davis needs a brain scan. Then put him on IR for the next three years.
November 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Flash in the pan alert.
Grad-few exciting moments, fade to oblivion
JC-very very few exciting moments, back to mediocrity
Dmac-garbage career, few games of promise, back to gutter
Bey-ugly, followed by ugly, couple of nothing catches, back to disappearing
and fans are back to monday morning blues
November 29th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
the hope of making the playoffs this year is gone. for good reason, we are not an elite team.. winning season may be gone too.. we are back to square one..we have some things to build with, some awesome rookies, a great seasoned veteran, and good running backs…our wants and needs list is long and still the number one need is o-line help…
November 29th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Why not see what BOLLER has to offer vs SD?
Seriously, whats the downside?
Lets see what he has.
Campbell clearly wont handle the pressure that will be ingloriously heaped upon him starting on snap 1 (See lowlight reel from week 1 @Tenn for more details)
Furthermore, Campbell has been Institutionally Biatch Slapped (IBS) what like 9 times since the season started? Poor guy, understandably, he’s broken…
Grads is (literally) in pieces.
Give Boller a shot. Z3ro to lose. Cable feels teh heat too. Hope the caveman pulls out all the stops. Ditto for Mashall and Hue.
make no mistake fellas SD game is our last stand. And not just for 2010. Its the last stand before YET ANOTEHR ROUND OF MULTI-YEAR REBUILDING.
UGHH…
No, I say.
If we go out, GO OUT with friggin a bang…I want to see lots of blood sweat (and a few SD mouthpieces) left on that powder-blue-a55 field come Sunday….
0AK 27
SD 24
November 29th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
new post
McClain says he wants out!
November 29th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
DHB if healthy should never sit for murphy. Murphy has been brutal, certainly no better than our number seven pick.
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My god, did you not see the numbers I posted? Even giving DHB his Seattle game, which gives him 10 games played to Murphy’s 9, he’s still far behind Murphy in production.
Murphy has yet to be held catchless in any game he’s played this year. DHB has been shutout 3 times.
What part of this aren’t you getting?
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You must not really understand football.
If we were justa recever away from a major playoff run, by all means sit dhb for murphy.
News flash this is not a very good team, and the season is over. Time to put your young weapons on the field and see what you get from them.
We know Murphy will never be number 1. By your own admission he is mediocre at best. He is high pick and he is not being paid very much.
Going into year three you need to give dhb, the high pick and they guy you are paying big money to, as many chances as possible. That is how you develop and evaluate talent.
basic personnel management in a lost season.
November 29th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
# bcz24 Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
ArchiveTony Says:
November 29th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
sad.
november and posters are already arguing next years draft picks.
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Why is that sad? Its November 29th. Last year we were debating draft picks on September 8th… this is a hella improvement my friend!
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lol.
I stand corrected.
drinks on the house
November 29th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
I’m honestly really concerned about Darren McFadden. Hopefully he can get back on track. I hope he hasn’t reverted back to his old form.
November 29th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
the only prayer we have of beating san diego rests with jason campbell..
November 29th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
We must have him on the field and force feed him so he can either prove or disprove his salary and draft status.
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DHB has ALREADY proven his draft status to be a complete joke. DHB has 28 catches, 390 yards and 2 TDs in career so far. That’s the kind of production you’d expect out of a mid-round project, which is exactly what DHB was/should have been.
I should also note that he’s only played in 21 of 37 possible games to date and the 16 he’s missed were all because of injury. So he’s injury prone as well. Joy!
And in something like 6 of those 21 games he has played, he’s been held to zero catches.
The guy doesn’t contribute. He can’t get separation and can barely catch when the ball does get thrown his way. Understandble in a mid-round pick; totally unforgiveable in a top 10 pick.
He’s shown no signs of developing any consistency.
He’s done. He’s a bust. He’s another wasted top 10 pick. The sooner the Raiders cut bait with him, the better.