McClain’s foot issue is arthritis
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, December 3rd, 2010 at 2:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and observations Friday as the Raiders prepared for their Week 13 game in San Diego against the Chargers:
Rolando McClain is hobbling from a condition you wouldn’t expect from a 21-year-old rookie.
He has arthritis, according to coach Tom Cable, and has missed the last two days of practice. He was limping and favoring his left foot. Given that McClain has no previous history of arthritis, Cable said, they don’t know what to expect regarding his availability.
“He was better last night, but worse this morning, so it will be day-to-day and we’ll probably have to wait until Sunday morning,’’ Cable said.
Cable said he didn’t know whether McClain could be treated medically to enable him to play.
McClain, said Cable, is “a guy, I think, who has adapted well to the NFL and has made a lot of plays.’’
Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha noted McClain’s insistence on not being treated as a rookie as an impressive part of his development.
“He’s a guy that if there is something that the coaches might be hesitant on calling or a certain play because it puts him in a tough spot, he always tells them, “No, I can take care of it,’ ‘’ Asomugha said.
Asomugha recalled McClain giving up a touchdown to a running back earlier this season and coaches considering changing the defense to keep the rookie from being victimized.
“He’s like, `No, I got it. I’ll take care of it,’ ‘’ Asomugha said. `He shows the maturity of, `I’m not a frightened rookie, you know, I can make plays.’ ‘
If McClain can’t play, Ricky Brown will take his place. Brown played extensively in a 23-20 win over Kansas City when McClain left with a hip injury.
— Asomugha said he is more confident in his ability to plant and turn this week after giving up four catches for 57 yards last week and struggling against Miami.
“I am moving better this week and feeling better,’’ Asomugha said. “They said each week it is going to feel better.
— Wide receiver Chaz Schilens has practiced for three consecutive days, something that hasn’t happened since last season.
Schilens was mostly an offseason spectator after having as second foot surgery following the season and was watched closely during training camp before having knee surgery.
He has been slow to recover from both injuries, in part because of overcompensation issues.
“We’re getting more and more work each day, with no setbacks, so that’s a real positive,’’ Cable said. “That one, you definitely have to take day-to-day.”
Interesting to note that when asked later if Darrius Heyward-Bey would start, Cable said, “I don’t know that. We’ll get to all that as we know the health here.’’
Heyward-Bey is not presently on the injury report, nor is any other wide receiver on the roster _ except Schilens.
Hard to believe Schilens could be looked at as a starter after being out all this time.
— Defensive tackle Richard Seymour (knee) was limited and listed as questionable, as was tight end Zach Miller (leg contusion, plantar fasciatis). Both are expected to play. Strong safety Tyvon Branch (shoulder) was limited and questionable, but is no lock. Mike Mitchell would start at strong safety if Branch can’t play.
Cornerback Chris Johnson (groin) did not practice all week, is listed as doubtful, but almost certainly won’t play.
—Cornerback Walter McFadden has been well-schooled in the “short memory’’ concept of his position from teammates such as Nnamdi Asomugha, Stanford Routt and Chris Johnson, coaches Willie Brown, Lionel Washington and Kevin Ross, and his brother Bryant of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
McFadden’s memory is short he said, “I had a lot more good plays than bad plays. I took a chance and that’s the life of being a DB.’’
The assumption is McFadden is talking about a 57-yard touchdown pass from Chad Henne to Marlin Moore in which he anticipated where the ball would end up and wound up short of his goal.
Moore caught the pass and turned up the sideline for the touchdown to put Miami up 20-14. He gave up five other completions and was called for defensive holding.
McFadden, who played very well early in training camp, was slowed by a hamstring tear and played only occasionally. He was inactive against Pittsburgh but elevated to nickel back because of Johnson’s groin injury and a shaky performance the previous week by fellow rookie Jeremy Ware.
“I’m not going to lie, I was very excited. I really wanted to get out there and show the Raider Nation what I can really do,’’ McFadden said. “But I kind of jumped out too far ahead, but there are no excuses for me, I’ll be ready when the time comes.’’
— If all goes according to plan, J.T. O’Sullivan won’t play a snap for the Raiders this season, with Jason Campbell finishing out the season and backup having been with the offense since last offseason.
O’Sullivan, however, plans on being ready for the unlikely event he plays in a game. O’Sullivan had spent time with 11 different teams, taking actual snaps with only three of them.
On Monday, O’Sullivan worked out for the Detroit Lions. By Wednesday, he was a Raider.
“It happened fast. Now that I’ve been here, I’m just trying to immerse myself in the system and be around the coaches and the quarterbacks as much as I can, try to figure out what direction they’re going with and get in there and do my job,’’ O’Sullivan said.
As for his knowledge of the Chargers, where he had a cup of coffee earlier this year, O’Sullivan isn’t sure he can impart much more knowledge than the Raiders already have.
“Those guys are pretty good over there,’’ O’Sullivan said. “We’ll go out there and try to play well and see what happens.’’
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December 3rd, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Wow…tough break for the fans…even tougher break for McClain….hopefully he doesn’t have rheumatoid arthritis and it’s the less painful form…either way…sucks..
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:15 pm
DHB has 19 catches in 11 games. Mike Williams has 52 in 10 games. Al press release stating how great DHB was going to be is so comical. DHb is a bust. Time to face the facts.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Raiders Owner Al Davis has always said that the Raiders have had the greatest players, greatest coaches, played in the greatest games and participated in the greatest plays in the history of professional football. The Raiders have been dominant in terms of winning. The greatest wide receivers in professional football have passed through the portals of the Oakland Raiders or have been coached by Davis.
Lance Alworth
Willie Gault
Art Powell
Andre Rison
Warren Wells
Bob Chandler
Fred Biletnikoff
Jerry Rice
Cliff Branch
Tim Brown
James Lofton
Randy Moss
Now Darrius Heyward-Bey, the Raiders’ top pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, is prepping to join that select group. Heyward-Bey has enjoyed a workmanlike offseason where he has put in time and energy to prepare for his second NFL campaign, when many of those whose names mentioned blossomed in professional football competition.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Chaz Schilens 7 yd pass from Boller to win Sunday. Schilens the #1 receiver we’ve been looking for and Boller is the next Jim Plunkett
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Less concerned about substituting Brown for McClain then the 2 rooks for CJ.
Seems like the MLB just drops back and acts like a spy in the 3rd down defense. Last week, the McClain int was the first time I have seen that be effective.
I havent checked the stats, but I bet Brown has nearly as many takeaways as McClain in much less playing time.(including last weeks career first INT)
CJ takes a lot of heat on this board, but since he left in the middle of the Pittsburg game, the pass defense has not been able to stop anything.
If Rivers is able to pick a part the DBs then MLB will not matter.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Arthritis my foot….
Al’s staff of quacks couldn’t diagnose hang nail…
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
** A ** hang nail…errrr…..
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
The list of wide receivers should make any pundit or so-called expert think twice before putting negativity on Heyward-Bey. No one has come close to the excellence at wide receivers that have worn the Silver and Black. These performers have been the greatest players who have ever played the game.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:25 pm
The Chargers finish up the season playing us, KC and Frisco at home, Cincy and Denver on the road. They should win out. Obviously, we have to have this game.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
HEY!!!!!!!! ROLANDO!!!!! OR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE RAIDERS ORGANIZATION!!!!! LISTEN UP!!!!!!
having experienced myself arthritis from the age of 23, a condition which did not get better for a quarter century until one very smart woman asked me if I consumed an adequate amount of Vitamin C. I did not. She suggested that I take Rose Hip natural Vitamin C as a supplement – 1,000 mg to 2,000 mg per day (which does not have to be done on a daily basis once the condition changes). I did as she suggested and the arthritis was alleviated within days. Amazing.
I CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT IT WILL WORK FOR ROLANDO BUT THERE ARE NO SIDE EFFECTS, ONLY BENEFITS!!!!!!!
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Rk Player Salary (US$)
1 Nnamdi Asomugha $12,001,560
2 JaMarcus Russell $11,255,440
3 Tommy Kelly $7,001,560
4 Shane Lechler $6,401,560
5 Gerard Warren $6,130,000
6 Chris Johnson $6,006,760
7 Robert Gallery $5,999,260
8 Darren McFadden $5,391,760
9 Richard Seymour $3,787,860
10 Cooper Carlisle $3,506,760
11 Greg Ellis $3,000,000
12 Isaiah Ekejiuba $2,456,760
13 Darrius Heyward-Bey $2,420,000
14 Kirk Morrison $2,301,760
15 Cornell Green $2,006,760
16 Javon Walker $2,002,600
17 Sebastian Janikowski $2,001,560
18 Mike Mitchell $1,910,000
19 Ricky Brown $1,551,760
20 Erik Pears $1,506,760
21 Khalif Barnes $1,200,000
22 Matt Shaughnessy $1,162,250
23 Jon Alston $1,016,760
24 Tony Stewart $1,000,000
25 Michael Huff $951,760
26 Langston Walker $900,000
27 Louis Murphy $760,000
28 William Joseph $630,000
29 Sam Williams $625,200
30 Stanford Routt $621,560
31 Charlie Frye $620,000
32 Jon Condo $541,760
33 Bruce Gradkowski $541,760
34 Thomas Howard $541,760
35 Luke Lawton $541,760
36 Chris Morris $541,760
37 Michael Bush $466,760
38 Hiram Eugene $466,760
39 Mario Henderson $466,760
40 Johnnie Lee Higgins $466,760
41 Zach Miller $466,760
42 Oren O’Neal $466,760
43 Jay Richardson $466,760
44 Samson Satele $465,720
45 Gary Russell $462,600
46 Brandon Myers $401,000
47 Tyvon Branch $391,760
48 Chaz Schilens $391,760
49 Trevor Scott $391,760
50 Todd Watkins $391,760
51 Jonathan Holland $385,000
52 Desmond Bryant $320,000
53 Nick Miller $315,000
NFL Team Payrolls
Rk Player Salary (US$)
1 Dolphins $136,536,261
2 Giants $136,255,746
3 Texans $121,943,610
4 Saints $121,552,424
5 Bears $120,672,110
6 Jets $120,634,420
7 Steelers $119,292,960
8 Chargers $116,558,935
9 Packers $113,959,603
10 Panthers $112,963,398
11 Bills $110,799,226
12 Titans $109,486,770
13 Ravens $108,880,797
14 Raiders $108,020,490
15 Jaguars $106,879,214
16 49ers $106,148,952
17 Colts $103,360,985
18 Eagles $102,285,815
19 Broncos $101,658,735
20 Cardinals $101,458,306
21 Redskins $99,953,611
22 Lions $99,910,434
23 Vikings $99,802,010
24 Rams $99,397,892
25 Patriots $95,977,133
26 Falcons $95,062,952
27 Browns $93,932,182
28 Bengals $93,840,588
29 Cowboys $90,340,939
30 Seahawks $88,765,820
31 Buccaneers $84,592,822
32 Chiefs $80,624,650
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Raiders better stop by Costco on the way down to Dago, and buy a case of fire extinguishers.
Cause, W. McFadden is going to get absolutely torched by that punk a$$ Rivers….
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Man I hope Rolando can play. Ya’ll can keep acting like dude doesn’t make a difference if you want, but deep down, you all know better. Hell, just think back to last year. Mark my words; if there is no McClain patrolling the middle, he will sorely be missed. Especially if they throw a bunch of dump-offs and screens to Sproles on Sunday. Ricky Brown will be exposed all day……
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
On the other hand, a misdiagnosis could be in play. I don’t know what Rolando consumes in his diet, but the build-up of uric acid causing gout is always in play for people who only eat rich foods.
In which case Rolando, go to your nearest Trader Joe’s or Whole Foods and buy yourself some 100% cherry juice. Drink that stuff and the gout will lessen or disappear.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
The list of wide receivers should make any pundit or so-called expert think twice before putting negativity on Heyward-Bey. No one has come close to the excellence at wide receivers that have worn the Silver and Black. These performers have been the greatest players who have ever played the game.
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All but three of those players made their marks with other teams. Desperate reaching by the Stooges.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Hopefully we’ll do enough to pull out a W regardless of the 200 all purpose that Sproles is about to get on us…
Cornerbacks are gonna have to make some plays. They’ll get their chances no doubt…
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Well it is December and Oakland still has a chance to win the division.
A win on Sunday will go a long way to proving that we deserve to be division champs.
Lets hope who ever is playing, steps up and get a W in SD.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:41 pm
909,
The Marshall Plan for the week is to blitz early and often leaving all DBs on an island. The hope is to incapacitate the STDQB.
The gamble is worth it unless you want to see a gameful of Ricky Brown getting run over by Mike Tolbert.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:43 pm
SilverandBlackBleeder,
Jacoby > Sproles, so that’s better than a wash.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Cable threw his rope over a tree limb named Bruce…
Now that that is done, Jason can play his game without the sidestage hook coming out.
O-line! Time to man up!
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:47 pm
I hear ya Lonetree…..that’s what I’m hoping for..more Jacoby, more Jacoby, and more Jacoby……don’t know what that kid has to do to show he needs to touch the ball at least 10 times a game.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:47 pm
mcclain injured is ten times better than ricky brown…ive seen him being blocked 10 yards downfield by a te…been there already with captain kirk.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:49 pm
SilverandBlackBleeder,
hopefully even the likes of DHB and Murphy and Johnnie Lee will want to get in on the act and fight for the season.
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Hey guys; this is my first post. I work in health care. Before leaving college, it came out that McClain had Crohn’s Disease (CD). CD can cause arthritis; its an autoimmune disorder where your immune system is hyperactive in your small intestine and large bowel. A side effect is that all these extra antibodies can travel around your body and get stuck in your joints; this can cause an inflammation then an arthritis (closer to rheumatoid rather than osteoarthritis).
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:55 pm
M Lonetree…
Let’s hope that the Marshall plan is effective. The only way we stay in the game, is to put that punk a$$ Rivers on the ground. Often, with bad intentions…
100o/o cherry juice? I’ll have to pass that along to a friend, who has issues with gout at least twice a year..
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Hate to ever say I’ve lost faith on any Raider (I tried to ride with Jamarcus as long as any sane man could before admitting he was trash), but Johnnie Lee just isn’t it…he’s had chances to be the man and will come up with the occasional play, but hell, even Derrick Gibson made ‘occasional’ plays….
DHB is still young so there’s no need to rip on him yet, but yea, Murphy and hopefully Schilens can make some noise down there in Diego…our season depends on it.
We win this game and we’re right back in the mix…Would love to be a game back going into the last game of the season with us needing a win against KC to win the division….Couldn’t write a better script…
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:58 pm
So, Ricky Brown playing the whole game at MLB and either no Seymour or a hobbled one?
Chargers 51 – Raiders 16
December 3rd, 2010 at 2:58 pm
There are things I cannot understand about modern football. For years Jerry Rice ran free on slants and no one took him out. Second play of the game he needed to be leveled, put out of the game and who cares if it was a personal foul and an ejection. Next.
On Sunday, first time Antonio Gates shuffles off the line, well, punch him in the throat. He’s done.
damn, Night Train Lane or Ben Davidson would pay the fine and move on. Dirty football? Sure. But the heck with it, you’re playing for your season.
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Yiyer,
your expertise may be needed for McClain. Any suggestions?
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:04 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder,
indeed, JLH is a creature of Lost World, but even a blind horse can still pull a cart.
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Gentlemen and Ladies, as in every other football game it comes down to the O-line. Will the Raider O-line decide to put on their big boy jockstraps and give the D a break by forging some touchdowns and limiting the opponent’s time of possession?
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Welcome Yiyer.
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
My dad had gout in his foot and said it felt like broken glass in his foot joints. couldn’t even put a blanket on it because it was so painful. think its a form of arthritis.
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:16 pm
There are a ton of medications he can take if this is indeed to cause of his arthritis. One of them is a corticosteroid; this is different from testosterone but does amp a person up more; it sticks them in a permanent fight or flight mode. I wonder if the league would allow him a medical exception to take this drug.
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Chaz’s health is a travesty. This guy probably has only played in 24 games in the past 3 years with 16 in his 1st year. Just awful for so many reason.
I don’t see how you can just throw Chaz in the starting lineup without having played a game in over a year. Unless you really think he is that damn good. He may only play in the final 3 games of the season and be on a short leash thereafter.
So DHB is pretty safe for now imo. This WR corp is soft. JLH is still not doing it. Murphy drops way too many balls. And DHB the same and so does Ford except he makes plays as well.
If DHB fails I blame that all on the coaching staff. They can do a whole lot more to get this guy going good. How many slants are called and thrown his way? How many short stuff? Everything is deep bombs and piss poor passes on those bombs to boot.
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Well lets tell Mr. Magoo to giddy on up then, ’cause we all know he’ll be out there at WR, so might as well make a play or two….
Still surprised we haven’t seen more formations with Bush as the single back with McFadden in the slot (I believe we saw it once versus the Dolphins – I was actually at the game and couldn’t tell on one possession if that was Bush or Reese as the single back.)…..I would imagine there are a ton of misdirections, screens, hitches, and play action passes we could run outta that…
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Motorola Droid users be advised…
Just saw on the news. Some dude in Texas had one blow the f… up while he was making a call with it.. Cut his ear all to hell from ths shrapnel…
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:20 pm
I wonder if Phillip Rivers use’s a Droid
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:28 pm
TerrapinRaider,
did you know that your Maryland WR is the highest paid athlete in the SF Bay Area in 2010?
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:31 pm
I have a droid eris and they can get so frickin hot all of sudden I totally can see the motorola version blown up!
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Al Davis drafted DHB to catch the bomb, not short slants. That’s why they don’t throw short slants his way.
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
[...] Jerry McDonald reports that McClain has missed the last two days of practice due to arthritis in his left foot. Not the type of thing you’d expect from a young man that has no previous history of the condition. [...]
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:48 pm
I think the last slant to DHB was caught by Bush for big yardage… dial it up again Hue ahha
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
I don’t know how you can mount a challenge with all these injuries to key players.
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:00 pm
JT O’Sullivan reminds me of Kenny Stabler -Al Davis
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:16 pm
McClain & arthritis
When McClain was coming out of Alabama there were reports about him having Crohn’s disease. He later stated that his physicians no longer believed he had Crohn’s. This is an auto-immune disease. The arthritis is probably secondary to some sort of auto-immune disease, whether it be Crohn’s or some other like rheumatism.
Like yiyer states in post #34 there any many medications that could control these issues. To bring down the pain and inflammation rapidly a corticosteroid like prednisone could definitely could be used. This would not be a banned substance either.
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
And the next Raider QB is;
Troy Smith, BAL
Trent Edwards, BUF
JT O’Sullivan, CIN
Seneca Wallace, CLE
Shaun Hill, DET
Brodie Croyle, KC
Chad Pennington, MIA
Tyler Thigpen, MIA
Tarvaris Jackson, MIN
Jim Sorgi, NYG
Kellen Clemens, NYJ
Bruce Gradkowski, OAK
Michael Vick, PHI
Dennis Dixon, PIT
Billy Volek, SD
Kerry Collins, TEN
Chris Simms, TEN
Rex Grossman, WAS
Matt Moore, Car
Alex Smith, Sf
Kyle Orton, Den
Matt Hasselbeck, Sea
Or Trade for!
Kevin Klob
Vince Young
John Kitna !
What’s Raider Nation think!
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Jason Campbell will be the starter next year… unfortunately
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
If he plays fairly well the rest of the year.
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
But, if there’s a new Head Coach…………..who knows.
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Al Davis will be making the trade…
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:30 pm
If we do make a trade or pick up a free agent
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:34 pm
And that’s the problem. A no win situation.
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:38 pm
I say they let me pick next years qb and wideouts
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:39 pm
I think I would be better.
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Who would you pick up next year KELL
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Without a first round pk, we can be more active in fa!
I hate to say it but I like Kitna and Dixon !
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:41 pm
No Kitna PLZ
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Well, if nothing else, this has been the best season for the Raiders in a while.
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Just joking, I’m not a college football guy. But, we’ll have to see when the time comes. Don’t know what the most dire needs will be then.
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
I wonder if orton is gonna sign with the Bronco’s next year. Vick should be resigned
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Possesion WR,Center,QB not in any certain order
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm
My pipe dream, would be, Al Davis turns over day 2 day power to a proven, winner of a GM.
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
61.PurpleDrank81 Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
I wonder if orton is gonna sign with the Bronco’s next year. Vick should be resigned
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Denver fans have been calling for Mcdaniels head, if he gets fired Orton might look for a new team.
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm
My pipe dream is Al turns over day 2 day power to me
December 3rd, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Posts 28 and 31 get my vote for the best posts of the day.
Well said, Lonetree.
December 3rd, 2010 at 5:00 pm
63.KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm
My pipe dream, would be, Al Davis turns over day 2 day power to a proven, winner of a GM.
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That would make me moist
December 3rd, 2010 at 5:03 pm
All I know is im prayin for Austin Pettis to be picked up in the draft
December 3rd, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Bolts bend raiders over…again!!!
http://slumwords.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/time-to-start-another-streak/
December 3rd, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Fellows, I’m afraid to tell you that I can smell a bigger dead fish than I thought, even 800 miles away from Oaktown.
Seymour had 2 or 3 good games, and had every one sucking candy, defensive MVP??
Now we have noticed two straight chokes after the bye, could it be the reason the defense has allowed 68 points in two games? Now he’s hurting. Oh really? I tell you the stink is bad, it’s hard to trust “Big Rich” on this one, and I do see a Big Stink.
And, as I was afraid at the beginning of the season, that “Big Rich” expected to influence and lead could just as well contaminate the young studs in the team. Could it be the reason Bellychuckup got rid of him?
And, here we go. Is it just a coincidence that Buck McClain all of sudden has aged 40 years and has “arthritis”? Oh my, how fast can you say Fred Sanford and Son?
Not that McClain was going to do squat against SD and Tolbert, getting his butt run over.
Are these two faking injury so not to get further embarrassed?
So, if SD runs ragged and whoops it up on Sunday, both the Big Stink and Buck Mac can say it was because they didn’t play?
I hope I’m wrong, but the Raiders have been that kind of team and have had the kind of players one has a hard time trusting. Not to mention both of them cost #1 draft choices.
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Why do I get the feeling you don’t hope you are wrong.
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Nah, I don’t think big Rich is a problem, nor “Buck” Mcclain.
The Raiders Offense is #30 in 3rd down conversions.
That’s Big Rich’s & Buck McClain’s problem.
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:22 pm
“We’ll go out there and try to play well and see what happens.’’
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Now if THAT doesn’t inspire confidence in a Raider victory on Sunday I don’t know what will.
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:23 pm
72.KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Nah, I don’t think big Rich is a problem, nor “Buck” Mcclain.
The Raiders Offense is #30 in 3rd down conversions.
That’s Big Rich’s & Buck McClain’s problem.
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Word.
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:26 pm
59.Raiders for life Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Well, if nothing else, this has been the best season for the Raiders in a while.
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Well, if you consider 6-10 a big improvement.
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:31 pm
44.TerrapinRaider Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
I don’t know how you can mount a challenge with all these injuries to key players.
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You can’t. That’s why Raiders get shellacked in a major way.
I’ve never felt more sure of a Raider loss in these past seven miserable years than I do about this game Sunday. It’s gonna be very ugly and I don’t know who is to blame for turning what looked like a juggernaut into the same ole Raider lamers we’ve seen for these past years. Al Davis? Cable? The players? I don’t know, but this team flat out sucks right now and not having the few good players they have on the roster suiting up at San Diego? Oh my gosh it’s gonna be bad.
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm
The defense was its own problem vs Miami. They couldn’t stop them on third down. It wasn’t so much the offense although the sucked as well. To a lesser extent, how can any offfense gain any kind of rhythm if they have barely on the field as Miami marched up and down the field with long, time consuming drives. The defense was its own problem.
And some of you fools what Nnam traded? Well you see how much less effective that secondary is without his presense (i.e. “healthy” presense). So, please, stop with all this jackasz trade Nnam B.S.!
Moreover, notice how much the offense stunk when “guess who” was out? Yeah thats right, DHB was out the past 2 weeks (barely played vs Miami from soreness ..hammy issues ….not this rotation BS Cable is lieing to the media about ..how many times do they come up with some BS lie when DHB is suffering from a hammy?) and this offense sucked wind! Could it be a coincidence? Maybe. But the difference in how teams played the Raiders offense over the past 2 weeks was very evident to me! ZMillers not being himself has signifcant impact as well in the short game but this offense was not stinking this bad before the bye when he still had the same injury.
Nnam means a whole lot to that defense – they could not stop them on 3rd down. And DHB may actually mean a lot more than we assume to that offense – they sure are playing that offense a lot tighter.
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:46 pm
@75
It has been awhile, this late in the season we still have a slight half azz glimmer of hope for post season.
Let me dream dude.
Nevermind, looks more like another 5-11
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:55 pm
I’m not wrried about WMcF at all the kid can play he had a rough game at the corner so what who hasn’t?
I remember Deion Sanders getting worked in his rookie campaign you guys overeact to everything this kid can play. Goethel is another kid that can play I watche him closely vs Miami and I disagree with the previous post saying he sucks. I think Goethel if McClain can’t make it is the guy I would trust to play MLB over the long haul if smething happens to RoMac. McClain had the diagnosed early enough that it can be treated very successfully unless it is advanced. Which I can’t believe that it is he just needs to do the over the counter stuff and he’ll be fine. Now that he knows he has it treatment will take care of it.
I’m hoping DHB uses these final games to do what he should’ve done by now. His season has been a decided disappointment. He has got to turn that around. Now is the best time to get that done. I’d like to see 20+ rec in these last 5 games which wuld double his output if not then he is looking very much like a huge BUST!! I’m extremely disppointed in him mostly in his lack of playmaking ability. he has way too much talent for this kind of production. It’s all about demanding the ball. He has to assert himself in the same fashion that Ford has. He is way too satisfied with mediocre output The talent is there now demand the ball come your way………..period
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:03 pm
He has to demand the ball. I agree. That guy is running “NFL” open way too much out there for it not to be thrown his way. Maybe he needs a change of attitude from the Mr Niceguy approach.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:05 pm
If we make the 3 deep plays to Ford and Reece that is a very different game. Not only did we not make the plays but they were picks which killed us. Miami just had the ball way too much. . And we had rookie get beat on some big 3rd down plays. I would say if you reversed 6 plays in that game we win. That’s how close it was and those plays would’ve been at key moments in the game.
The team has played poorly IMO it’s a very good team that just hasn’t made the key plays when they had the opportunities. Just like in the AZ game and the SF game.
Those games will probably keep us out of the playoffs but that’s what happens when you don’t make plays you don’t make the playoffs. You get what you deserve.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:08 pm
T’pin I gaurantee you he’s not asking for or demanding the ball. He’s just playing and the QB is going to go where he feels the guy wants to make plays. Ford is doing what the rest of these guys should be doing he’s talking to the QB and establishing confidence in himself. DHB has to step up and demand the ball.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
tj, what about those still photos you were slobbering over? Just like Black Moses soooooooooo much talent going to waste, funny how that happens after you fall head over heels.
lol
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Demand? the prima donna’s demand. Even then it doesn’t change the play calling.
You want the ball?
Get open. Catch the ball when thrown to you.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:14 pm
McFadden was getting helluva abused vs Miami. It was embarrassing. But I actually like how the guy looks and moves out there. He reminds me of Nnam that way. But he’s just too yellow right now. Eventually, if he works as hard as Nnam he can become him.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:15 pm
tj how do you know Ford is talking to the Qb’s? Since we have been changing Qb’s every week was he talking to both or just one?
lol
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# priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Ford is doing what the rest of these guys should be doing he’s talking to the QB and establishing confidence in himself.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:15 pm
If DHB would catch one with his hands then get leveled by a safety and hang on to the ball. Then jump back up and think to himself…that wasn’t so bad. The learning curve would be over.
I think he’s scared of getting plowed. Seems like he always tries to catch the ball with his body so he can prepare for the big hit.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm
tj,
DHB is lifting the lid off the defense, right?
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:18 pm
‘Sup fellas.
Well, I guess this is it. They lose this and fall to 5-7 and they’re done. Probably finish 6-10, maybe 7-9 at best. In which case Al will probably clean house and start all over, again.
So, If you’re gonna die, you might as well die with your boots on, as they say. If I was John Marshall I would bring it all on Sunday. Throw everything at Phillip. It’s their only chance.
Somebody mentioned it in the last live chat and Jerry said if they blitz Rivers too much he’ll just burn them with the big play. If they try their “natural pressure” and only bring four with that banged up secondary playing man to man behind it…well, Rivers will cut them to shreds. Hell, he might pass for 500 yards. Besides, I’d rather get burnt for a quick score than have San Diego go up and down the field on methodical drive after drive.
They gotta get after the mouth from the south early and often.
Plus, It sure wouldn’t hurt to rediscover that running game right about now. Damn.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:55 pm
I’m not wrried about WMcF at all the kid can play he had a rough game at the corner so what who hasn’t?
I remember Deion Sanders getting worked in his rookie campaign you guys overeact to everything this kid can play.
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LMAO.
Aaah yeah, this kid can play, coach.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:19 pm
OchoCinco demands the ball. Moss demands the ball. T.O. demands the ball. Rice demanded the ball. etc etc etc.
I don’t ever recall any coach or qb bowing down to any of them. If anything they got a shut the hell up.
Bey should never have been picked where he was.
Should have been a 3rd or 4th rd pick.
Easier to let sit and learn, instead of trying to get a return on the investment.
At this point there is little to no return.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:24 pm
tj, the truth of the matter is you haven’t a FK’n clue what you are looking at. Every player you fall in love with turns out to be a hot pile of steaming sh!t…period
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:25 pm
KKKell, you are here 18hrs a day get yourself a hobby.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Actually The Vikings were gonna pick up DHB and worked him out a couple times but somehow we passed on Crabtree,Harvin and Maclin and when they had the chance to pick up Harvin they didnt think twice
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:26 pm
You know what I hate the most? Sitting there and calling the plays before they happen. And I’m not talking about keep doing it until they can stop it either!
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:28 pm
I didn’t think it was possible to suffer a sophmore slump after DHB’s horrible freshman year, but damn this season has been another disapointment.
The sad thing is, there were some encouraging signs early on. Jerry talked about how much better he looked in camp. He made a couple of nice catches in preseason.
Then he had that game vs Seattle. Something like 5 for 100+ with the long TD rec. I thought, man maybe this is his breakout game. But since then, he has just fallen off the face of the earth. Can’t seem to stay healthy, and even worse seems to be losing the confidence of his coaches and QB’s.
Very frustrating. I’m still pulling for this kid. I hope he steps up and starts to contribute. Something. anything.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Jumping off the A Shields wagon, and then on to the C Schilens wagon, then there was JaMeatball, the slobbering love affair continued with Nick Miller the “db killer”, and then DHB got the priesttj hex, now your going to kill McClains career too?
tj, just go away we cant afford for you to kill the careers of our draft picks!
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Priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 6:55 pm
I’m not wrried about WMcF at all the kid can play he had a rough game at the corner so what who hasn’t?
I remember Deion Sanders getting worked in his rookie campaign you guys overeact to everything this kid can play.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Well I havent posted until today but let mesay that BG SUCKED! Hardcore vs Mia
Wow, that was one bad performance. And you gotta believe he knew he reinjured that shoulder sometime during the game but refused to take himself out for selfish reasons that didn’t involve giving his team the best chance to win. (Maybe why the org immediately put him on IR).
Just speculation but when Ford was wide open for a TD and Bruce waited FOREVER to throw the ball on a rollout (something so UNLIKE BG to do) and that ball wound up helluva short – something was up.
He should’ve benched himself. Balls were all over the place except WRs hands.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:31 pm
this is the nfl if bey catches the darn ball with his body still then just let him catch it like that. Quit trying to change him now….
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:31 pm
4 of the top 12
6 of the top 15
8 of the top 20
paid players are not even on our roster anymore
(exception Mr. Morrison was traded so I take it Jax actually pays that salary).
I’m not sure which is worse the above or there are about 8 players that should not be on our roster at all.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:32 pm
tj, you there buddy?
I know you are…
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:34 pm
They say it takes 3 years for a WR to really catch up to the NFL game.
Hmmm, our starting 3 WR’s are all 23 years old! Good plan there coach!
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Stabler #17 hit it between the numbers, as you usually did.
Here’s to hoping Mr. Jason Campbell does the same and Mr. Ford & Co. catch every pass.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Oh, I know. I formation, run off tackle left, off tackle right, chuck it to the FB down the sideline….punt.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:37 pm
T’pin Your point about Grads staying out there knowing he was injured is a valid one. It was selfish and it cost us the game. He knew he was hurt again and just stayed in there bouncing balls off the ground.
I think that’s what helped them make the decision to put him on IR and shut him up. He was already making noise about coming back after he did that crap. So they put him on ice.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Problem is…DHB can’t catch like that.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm
I think that’s the second time Grads has done that. I think he did it once last year as well.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Saint,
Yeah, I thought the failure of this club to pick up a veteran WR to work with this bunch of young players was a big mistake. I never liked the guy, but I was ready to bite the bullet and sign TO.
Then with the unexpected release of TJ by Seattle, I thought hell..that’s an even better fit, given his relationship with Hue from Cincy.
Nope. they chose to stand pat with their young, inexperienced group of wideouts. And the passing game continues to struggle and DHB and Murphy actually seem to have regressed.
Meanwhile, TO is tearing it up for a bad Bengal team,btw.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
I agree Mista, Raiders have a dynamic young cast of cornerbacks and safeties:
Mr. McFadden, Mr. Ware, Mr. Routt is playing like an NFL CB should play, Mr. Johnson’s interception for a touchdown ignited a three game winning streak, with two being blowouts.
34 mm, Mr. Mitchell is going to have the game of his life against the Chargers, teams will fear going over the middle against the raiders once again… psst Michael if the backfield umpire gets in your way again, knock his butt to the ground.
Mr. Huff, ever since he got embarrassed from being Miked’ up has been playing pro-bowl caliber defense.
Mr. Brown will be an all-pro.
Nnamdi is still the best, even in NY.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:43 pm
I’m almost sure of it because I remember trying to reason why he did it before
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Mr. Branch has had the nose for the football, made some big plays, Mr. Eugene has been solid on special teams and made a couple plays as well.
(hit enter accidently).
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Not one of our WR’s can break a double team. Hell, none of them can even break press coverage.
I would be rolling Campbell out often and looking for Miller as much as possible. If Campbell can audible to that during zone coverage Miller can easily find soft spots all day. McFadden and Reece need to block their asses off in the passing game. And where the hell is Bush?? Our 3 biggest threats need to be huge in the passing game.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:47 pm
I don’t think any of the other WR’s play with the kind of determination Ford plays with just doesn’t want to be denied. If the rets of the were as aggressive as he is this rec sorp would be very good in a hurry. I tell you what he has definitely set the bar very high for the rest of them.
Chaz included whne he plays with Murphy DHB and Ford that is a very good group if the play aggressively. Nick Miller is the only ther rec that I’ve seen fight for the ball like that. The smurfs are putting serious pressure on the other guys to step up big.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Retribution,
I hope they’re all on top of their game Sunday. They’re going to need to be. Big mouth is on fire right now. Doesn’t seem to matter who is healthy for them at WR, either.
Marshall has to come after him. I’d love to see MM34 come clean on a blitz and just light his azz up.
I hope Seymour and Co. just come out in an angry mood. They need to play swarming, physical defense. Make ‘em pay for every yard. Force a couple of turnovers.
Because, as bad as they’ve looked the last two weeks…a win this sunday and they’re right back in it. and then all the bitcjing and moaning in here will stop…for one week at least.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:55 pm
I think Ford is better suited as a slot WR vs X or Z given his size and quickness. That’s in the traditional sense of looking at it. I would put him in the slot. But thats only if I have studs on the outside as well. If DHB shows up anytime and Chaz stays healthy and is actually good then that can make for a formidable lineup. Murphy is good but I think we are seeing him start to plateu a bit albiet sooo prematurely early to call.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Ryan Colbert from Fresno St. could be a prospect. Plays in a pro set and HC Pat Hill has ties w/ AD.
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:59 pm
tj, you just put a jinx on McClains career like you’ve done too many of our young draft picks. Why dont you take a break from this stuff for 9 or 12 months? Or at least until you can see what you’re looking at.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Seymour has had his best games vs SD over his career, I wouldn’t put it pass him to do the same this time.
We need Nnamdi bigtime without him we can’t beta these guys. Also if this coaching staff can’t see that Bush is a huge weapong in our favor then we are screwed. You cannot ignore a talent like his the way we do. It’s the mst asinine thing I’ve witnessed this year. As important as DMC is to this offense Bush is to DMC, because he takes hits away from him and gets the defense on it’s heels s when DMC comes in he is that much more effective.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:03 pm
I agree I think Ford can as good a slot rec as there is in the same sense as Welker and Harvin. He has those same traits explosive and quick with good hands. Much better hands than I would have ever guessed.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:05 pm
man if pat hill would just open up the offense like this they could have beat nevada and played with boise st….,
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:06 pm
tj, you are here every night from 8pm-12 midnight defending mediocrity and underachievement without a single clue what you are speaking about or looking at.
Keep posting…
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Jacoby Ford has indeed been a breath of fresh air here recently. He was a one man gang against Miami. The way that little dude fights for that ball and wrestles it away from defenders is impressive. That is just heart, guts and determination. Hopefully that effort rubs off on some of his offensive teammates.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:09 pm
I agree that DHB needs to drop the nice guy act and show some fire.
I have watched him drop a catchable ball, exchange a few friendly words with the DB, make sure his towel still looks cool, and jog back to the huddle no worse for the wear.
Despicable. I really thought he looked improved during the preseason, but he is just as crappy as ever.
And the whole “clear-out” deal is one colossal myth on par with Bigfoot. We are facing 8 and 9 guys in the box and getting blitzed relentlessly any obvious passing down.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
the thing is is that both grads and cantbell have underthrown him i bet boller wont…
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
JFB – Thats not completely accurate. We have been facing 8 in the box at times before the bye but we haven’t been seeing blitzes like this until the past 2 weeks. They are bringing the house and loading the box. Even when they don’t blitz they are playing tight as ever on defense. Thats what I’ve been saying above. Maybe he matters more than we are giving him credit for. I just have not seen defenses play this tight all season until he was effectively been on the bench. Thats all I’m saying. Not saying it will change when he comes back since defense don’t change things till you show them you can beat it but it’ll be worth watching.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Some of you really don’t understand basic football, it is obvious the affect DHB has when he’s in there. Now I would much prefer him make plays but if you can’t see the affect he has on a secondary you’re just flat out ignorant……………period
But as I think about it, that’s par for the course in here.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:21 pm
What I mean by “tight” is the defenses are hugging the line of scrimmage with safties and DBs quick to come up if not up their already.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:24 pm
when the dbs play like that it is important that the recievers get off the line quickly…only that chaz guy has done that..,,
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:25 pm
[...] “He was better last night, but worse this morning, so it will be day-to-day and we’ll probably have to wait until Sunday morning,” Cable said Friday, per the Oakland Tribune. [...]
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:26 pm
actually i dont think Chaz is that fast off the line. he’s said to have “build-up” speed.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:26 pm
DHB had a great effect on the Denver game this year, and the Pittsburgh game last year.
Those two games were the most points we scored that year and it just happened to be in the one of the handful of games he didn’t play in.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:27 pm
but he does have a big body which makes for a big target ..and he fights for the ball.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:28 pm
chaz is big though…
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:28 pm
T’pin
For instance our 2 worst rushing games this year were the 2 games DHB did not play. Coincidence I think not the brught 8 in the box both games now watch how SD plays us if he plays.
All you have to do is go back and watch any film you choose and watch the deep safety. In the KC game which was the last gam he played they had the deep safety betwen 30-40 yards off the ball.
Yet you have bimbo’s like SistaBrown coming in here with ignorant comments about him not lifting the top off the defense. The eye in the sky wont lie, it’s on film teams are scared to death when he’s in there. Now as I said I would much prefer he saw the ball more and made a lot more plays. But to say he doesn’t lift the defense is just plain IGNORANT!!
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:29 pm
JFB – You’re reaching buddy. Last year? Com’on now. And the Denver game? Man, the defense scored like 14pts and the STs blocked 2 punts or something like that if I remember correctly. It was a total team effort – every facet scored pts.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:29 pm
#127
That is 100% accurate because our WR’s have shown zero ability to catch a 7 yard pass in rhythm and go 30, 40, 50 yards.
Crowd the LOS, attack the backfield and make DHB and Murphy make a quick decision and a difficult catch, and make Campbellkowski make a quick decision and an accurate throw.
That is what defenses are doing to us now that Hue has put some things on film, and it is up to him to make the re-adjustments. So far, he is getting his lunch handed to him the last few weeks.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Listen friends: DHB needs to produce or he’ll be out of the league like so many before him. I know this. I just hope he comes around for us in that dept because at the end of the day that is what will matter – not clear outs or blocking so much …long term, it’ll be production ..that means catching balls.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:33 pm
I was at the AZ game, and watched almost exclusively for the DHB clearing out business.
Never happened. Even the last drive when he made a few plays on the DB, he was single-covered by the #2 DB.
Safety was nowhere near him, and to his credit he made them pay. Unfortunately, that has been the exception not the norm, and he dropped at least 3 other passes that game, including a TD.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:38 pm
JFB
Did you see the Pitt game when we dropped pass after pass after pass and then fumble one away. He made throws they weren’t caught and when we wre down 21-3 is when he started to get hit more. Go back and watch the Oline miss blocks there wasn’t much he could do except throw it to them. We had a certain TD and Murphy lets the DB push him out of bounds. JLH fives up on another deep ball that was well thrown.
That was a total collapse of the offense to just put it all on the QB is tunnel vision. We didn’t do anything well in that game. They bring in Grads and the same thing happens so it wasn’t JUST the QB.
In Fact had we made plays early JC would’ve had a decent game IMO. Now JC has had some bad performances but IMO the Steeler game was not one of them.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:40 pm
[...] “He was better last night, but worse this morning, so it will be day-to-day and we’ll probably have to wait until Sunday morning,” Cable said Friday, per the Oakland Tribune. [...]
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:41 pm
I have your back on that one Priest. JC actually did not play a bad game vs Pitts. So many balls were being dropped on him. The team just collasped that game and couldn’t do anything right.
Grads comes in and he looks worse.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Grads comes in “to the Mia game” and he looks worse.
But JC was having simple screen passes dropped on him. it was ridiculous.
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:47 pm
# priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Some of you really don’t understand basic football, it is obvious the affect DHB has when he’s in there. Now I would much prefer him make plays but if you can’t see the affect he has on a secondary you’re just flat out ignorant……………period
But as I think about it, that’s par for the course in here.
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oh yeah, effect. big time. just scares the bejebbers out of the defense when he gets off the bench.
because of how he made that great play…oh, oops, that wasn’t him.
what has DHB done again?
besides laugh all the way to the bank?
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:26 pm
DHB had a great effect on the Denver game this year, and the Pittsburgh game last year.
Those two games were the most points we scored that year and it just happened to be in the one of the handful of games he didn’t play in.
Bingo!
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:02 pm
i cant shake the picture of cantbell throwing screens into the ground or one hopping outs to the recievers…
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:15 pm
priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Seymour has had his best games vs SD over his career, I wouldn’t put it pass him to do the same this time.
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It doesn’t matter how good he plays if Raiders lose by 3TD’s.
If they come “close” they’ll be plenty on here claiming a moral victory.
It’s still 5-7 at the end of the day.
What happened to “Just Win Baby”? I know; long forgotten.
‘But DHB is getting better’ blah, blah, blah, blah. I’m one fan that is just sick and tired of the losing.
DHB is a bust. Look at Maclin and Crabtree. Light years ahead of DHB and both behind this “decoy” in the draft.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Everytime I watch Mike Wallace of the Steelers use his speed to slip behind defenses and make a catch I think, “That’s what DHB was supposed to be.”
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:20 pm
DHB is a bust. Look at Maclin and Crabtree. Light years ahead of DHB and both behind this “decoy” in the draft.
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The decoy talk is hilarious and one of the biggest cop-outs I’ve heard in years.
No one, not even Al Davis, takes a “decoy” #7 overall and pays him 20-odd-million bucks. You do that because you expect him to be a playmaker.
He’s not and never will be.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:23 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 8:41 pm
I have your back on that one Priest. JC actually did not play a bad game vs Pitts.
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Not sure what you saw on TV, but from the stadium, it sure as hell looked like a bad game to me.
Yeah, he had some drops from his WRs, no question. But he also a lot of bad throws, some of them JaMarcus level awful….remember the one-hop on the receiver screen to Jacoby Ford, I believe?
He played so scared in that game, I would honestly not have been surprised if he’d wet himself. I was waiting for a Jim Everett-esqe phantom sack.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:24 pm
sanjay lal is too dumb too teach him how to take a dig step upfield to turn the corners hips off of a route and instead just teaches him to blow past him with burn but they are expecting that…
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Damn!!! I hope McClain can still produce at a high level. He was the 8th pick of the 2010 draft.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:29 pm
sup nation ready to get the dischargers
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
remember we are 3-0 in division play so if we play to our abilities we still control the division, prediction campbell and the raiders come like we did against denver. and just blast they ass. thats how i see it.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:32 pm
JC is not that bad, but it’s hard to play QB when you are running around trying to avoid sacks/ pressure.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:34 pm
no one’s giving us a chance and the raiders should come playing inspired. hey we the only team in the league that has 9 home games. its more raider fans at the game anyway. i know i live here and every seaon in the parking lot tailgating all raider fans. i dont even count this as a road game.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Look at the Cowboys, they have more/ better weapons in offense than we do, but the results are the same due to bad OL play.
Romo
Austin
Williams
Bryant
Witten
Felix Jones
Barber
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:36 pm
got to run the ball though. stop with this 3 and out to keep the defense fresh cause we are pretty banged up on the defensive side of the ball.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:37 pm
On*
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:38 pm
we need to blitz rivers get pressure on him cause he will throw a pick sometime in this game he always does.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Are you sure about DHB being good vs Pitt last year? I thought he was inactive
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Also, Crabtree isn’t that great. Nicks, Maclin, and Britt and all better than him. I personally wanted Nicks or Britt
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
this week in san diego the raiders bounce back. i think campbell is going to have a good game the game will be close we just need to hang around and get this win baby
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:41 pm
I hope Campbell bounces back, I think he has played well vs SD, last year included.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
donkeys to beat quiefs, we beat the dischargers, next week dischargers beat the quiefs, and we beat j-vill back in first place
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:46 pm
159.ajoakrader Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:38 pm
we need to blitz rivers get pressure on him cause he will throw a pick sometime in this game he always does.
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Yes, that pic he throws will go nicely with his 460 yds. passing.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
if he throws 460 so what as long as we win. didnt that punk do that last time and we won.
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:51 pm
The Raiders will win the AFC West this year. all the naysayers will eat their words.
December 3rd, 2010 at 10:08 pm
390.SilverNBlackPA Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 10:06 am
In discussing potential HC candidates, we need to remember the pattern that Tim Kawakami pointed out some time back. Namely that for the past 20+ years, Al has alternated between two types of coaches.
He falls in love with brainy offensive guru-types, then gets annoyed because they tend to have minds of their own, fires them for a blue-collar offensive line type guy and then fires them because often they don’t turn out to be very good coaches.
The pattern is undeniable:
Shanahan – offensive guru
Shell – blue collar O-lineman
White – offensive guru
Bugel – blue collar O-lineman
Gruden – offensive guru
Callahan – blue collar O-lineman
Turner – offensive guru
Shell 2.0 – blue collar O-lineman
Kiffin – offensive guru
Cable – blue collar O-lineman
So, who out there will be the next supposed offensive genius with all the answers that Al will fall in love with for a season or two?
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Wow! I find that interesting, disturbing and comical at the same time. truck a chord here.
A strange rememberance occurred. In 1980, Oakland won the superbowl as the first wild card team. Then in 1981 they started off 2-1 and then were shut out for the next 3 games in a row. Finished 7-9.
In 1986, the LA team was 8-4 and lost to the Eagles in OT on a Allen fumble and finished 8-8.
We all know what happenned after the SB loss to Tampa.
Strange things haunt this team. Like this season. Going into the bye and doing a complete 180, what the heck is going on?
I remember Al saying in 1997 things were going to change, and Raider fans would be proud of what was coming, Said this to a bunch of us before a game. Well, he brought Gruden here in ‘98 and things started to happen. And in keeping, let him go in our finest season, only to be humiliated by him, and it still stings. Cable, like him (I happen to) or not, is the best thing to come along since Gruden.
Funny how that ‘02 season came down. Couldn’t have been scripted by Hollywood in their wildest movies.
So my point is, what on Gods’ good Earth is going on here? Just baffles me to no end. I don’t care (at least today) who we got playing where and when (it would be nice to have a legit qb), except Jacoby, he is special, just dominate and get back to the good old days, and let’s get to the playoffs.
The pieces are here, coaches and almost all the players.
December 3rd, 2010 at 10:17 pm
sad that some of those guys are called offensive gurus…
December 3rd, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Regarding the comment about Crabtree, has DHB plucked balls out the air like this guy? With another WR, he would tear it up. Crabtree should be a Raider.
We need to win this game to finish the year strong. Another demoralizing loss and we may not win another game this year. Open the playbook up a little more and have a back up plan in case we have trouble moving the ball in the first half. Offensively we will need 24 points, minimal, to win this game. Adjustments, adjustments, adjustments.
December 3rd, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Never said DHB was better, just saying Crabtree wasn’t even the best WR from the draft.
I agree though, this is a must win game if we want to make the play offs. If we lose, I’m hoping for an 8-8 season and another solid draft, then I’ll discuss play offs next year.
December 3rd, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Crabtree went to a mediocre team like DHB, but it is obvious he is more polished at this point than DHB.
December 3rd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
We need to start Ford at WR every game. The kid can play, and he plays bigger than his size. He tempnfs me of Steve Smith.
That’s one problem solved. We need to find another starter. Will it be Chaz, Murphy, or DHB.
We are set at RB and TE.
December 3rd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
We need to start Ford at WR every game. The kid can play, and he plays bigger than his size. He reminds me of Steve Smith.
That’s one problem solved. We need to find another starter. Will it be Chaz, Murphy, or DHB.
We are set at RB and TE.
December 3rd, 2010 at 10:52 pm
167.ajoakrader Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 9:51 pm
The Raiders will win the AFC West this year. all the naysayers will eat their words.
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I admire your enthusiasm, but there IS NO WAY the Raiders win this game. Don’t get your hopes up for it you are gonna be very disappointed.
Next year if we get a good QB and a coach who can get the team motivated and allow the hottest team in the league to go on a three game “lull” (his words) at the most crucial point of the season, then we can do it next year.
Two things GUARANTEE A loss Sunday:
-SanDiego is too good right now.
-Raiders are demoralized and injured.
Nobody’s happier than me when the Raiders win, but I’ve never been so sure about a Raider loss than I am about this game.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:00 pm
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In years past I might drink the kool aid and say “Well if Rivers gets injured early and we knock him out of the game, and maybe Cable has been playing possum and has some “secrets” he’ll throw at SD, and maybe just maybe”…I just hope it isn’t a total annihilation and embarrassment to the franchise.
December 3rd, 2010 at 11:03 pm
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All I know is it looked like we gave up in the third quarter off the pitt game when we punted on 4th and short close to mid field and we played sloppy at home against the fins ?? Running up the middle too much , trying to run wild cat against a team that is always running that and practices that every week etc I was very disappointed in MR hue for calling those plays he called 75% time . It is time for cable and hue to WAKE up ! I could seriously mix things up/ call Better schemes/plays and spread the opposing d and keep them on their heels better then what they are doing. Darren McFadden is much more productive running outside not up the middle with our line why are they just trying to stuff him up the middle ! Anyways I could go on And on I just hope we wake up from whatever the sleep we are from the bye and take the chokers ( bolts ) down and inhope Seymour will take that moron rivers out !!! GO SILVER AND BLACK Please play with heart and soul !!!!!!!
December 4th, 2010 at 12:04 am
174.Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
We need to start Ford at WR every game. The kid can play, and he plays bigger than his size. He reminds me of Steve Smith.
That’s one problem solved. We need to find another starter. Will it be Chaz, Murphy, or DHB.
We are set at RB and TE.
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We need a RB when Bush leaves the end of this year, and I believe Millier is only 1 year behind him.
If we do not make the playoffs next year we will loose Millier in FA, and much more.
December 4th, 2010 at 12:45 am
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December 4th, 2010 at 12:48 am
179, McFadden has actually been successful running up the middle this year
December 4th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Fire Cable, if we lose today.
December 4th, 2010 at 8:07 am
Fire Cable, if we lose tomorrow! lol
December 4th, 2010 at 8:15 am
As far as a replacement RB for Bush, I like Derrick Locke from Kentucky. He might be a 4th round prospect, but with a good performance at the combine who knows.
December 4th, 2010 at 8:19 am
And if the Raiders DO somehow lose Zach Miller (which I don’t think they will, Al will very likely bend over backwards to give him a long-term deal), at least the Raiders are in line to get Kyle Rudolph in the 1st round of the 2012 draft. Kid’s a freakish athlete.
December 4th, 2010 at 8:26 am
The young man could be having a stress related allergic reaction, like gouty arthritis.Do a blood test for excess uric acid, and take the appropriate anti-inflammatory meds, should be ok in a week.
December 4th, 2010 at 8:35 am
Draft prospect to watch today: C Alex Linnenkohl, Oregon State.
December 4th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Not looking forward to our a$$ whipping tomorrow!!!!
December 4th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Raccoon,
According to Walterfootball, C/G Stefen Wisniewski is a 2nd RD talent, but they have him rated as the best C. He also fits ZBS.
I like also like ODowd from USC and Alex Lin.. from Oregon.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:03 am
YA,
I like how you think.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:07 am
I wanted us to draft Blount in later RDs, or sign him as a FA. I think finding big/ power backs is not that hard, and we don’t have to invest a high draft picks to get one.
I hope we keep Bush & Miller.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:11 am
A few points after reading some idiotic posts. ..We don’t have a first round pick next year. Miller is going nowhere. Neither is bush… we wont be playing the zbs next season because cable is history. as for tomorrow, weel that’s what we play the games. oh and srop talking crabtree. he blows. did you see him short are that paas last week that led to an interception that coast them the game? he’s as soft as tissue.
DJJ – reading your posts is worse than smelling a fart in a crowded elevator. go back to the charger board
December 4th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Raider players, especially the young ones who have not been “paid” yet….should be fighting for their football careers tomorrow.
There are some players on this team whose best chance at being a starter…much less in the league is with THIS team.
No b.s penalties…dropped passes…errant throws….blown coverages or just bad play
If you are Jason Campbell…this is it guy…if you are Chris Johnson, Samson Satele, Louis Murphy, JLH, Stanford Routt…c’mon guys…do you WANT to start in this league..or fight for a roster spot next year.
What about Huff and DHB? Provided they aren’t too comfy with their big contracts..why not just seize a job and not be a career hanger’on. Does Tyvon want to be a career starter…or fighting for a backup job in Seattle or something.
Lotta guys just need to Step the hell up!
December 4th, 2010 at 9:15 am
Zach Miller is not going anywhere. He will break the bank and all…probably be slightly overpaid..but the Raiders constantly find themselves with such few standout players on the roster…that the few that are standout have a much stronger negotiating position.
Michael Bush should be reatained. If Hue would actually call a good game, DMAC & Bush should be causing DC’s all sorts of fits
December 4th, 2010 at 9:19 am
I like us to draft:
- CB Brandon Harris (I don’t think he will be available) The U
- OLB Akeem Ayers (if he enters draft) UCLA.
- C/G Stefen Wis… Penn
I hope one of these players is available in the 2nd.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Raider O,
The Raiders need O-Lineman in a baaaad way. C, G, RT.
They also need a competent receiver that moves the chains.
Don’t address those needs, it will be the same ole same ole.
I would add QB. But the reality is that there are no good QBs out there that will make a sizeable difference. So it will probably be the JaBruce / JaJason show next year
December 4th, 2010 at 9:29 am
SnB,
C is on my wish list. I think Veldheer and Campbell will play OTs next year. I hope Campbell can play LT. I think Veldheer is better at playing RT since he can’t handle great speed. Walker ( if resigned can play RG).
We need a C, CB, and OLB. Then we need to draft OL.
We should also draft the best available player.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:31 am
SnB,
I would say draft a QB too, but we all know the Raiders can’t develop QBs.
Other than Stabler, can you name a good QB that we developed?
December 4th, 2010 at 9:34 am
No need to draft a QB. Al is going to work a trade with Houston for Matt Leinart for sure.
AD: “Leinart is the next Jim Plunkett”!!!
December 4th, 2010 at 9:34 am
SnB,
We have Ford, Murphy, and DHB. I don’t think we should draft anymore WRs, but I do think we need to sign a good one in FA.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:36 am
I wouldn’t mind seeing Bruce Campbell and Veldheer as the starting Tackles next year. But we need some serious maulers in the interior. I’m 50/50 on Gallery. We need some 340 lb guys at G and a 320 at C.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Matt L is an idiot with a weak arm.
No thank you!!
December 4th, 2010 at 9:39 am
I don’t think there is a 320 C in the next draft. They are all around 295-300.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:39 am
With the massive amount of talented WR FA’s that switched teams this year, the Raids didn’t pull the trigger. How unlike AD, what happened?
December 4th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Loper is a must re-sign. He is Gallery insurance and possibly permanent replacement. So our two most important o-line spots to fill is Center and Right Guard.
B. Campbell, Gallery/Loper, Rookie/FA, Rookie/L. Walker, Veldheer.
Oh and a scheme to power. No more Z(BS).
December 4th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Raider O,
Its very troubling that Bruce Campbell can’t even get on the damn field. Can’t even get on the field. Let’s be real here…there’s developing talent and all…but with Carlisle and Walker behind him…he can’t even get activated…with all the problems and injuries.
I hold NO expectations on Bruce Campbell. I would switch him to Defensive Tackle or Defensive End…with that athleticism and size…maybe he could be something.
As for Wide Receiver. Free agency would be good…but the new receiver has to be a credible guy. No Javon Walker’s or that guy from the Panthers that busted up his knee a couple of years ago. They need a legit, credible wide receiver that can come in here and play on DAY 1.
This development stuff ain’t workin around here
December 4th, 2010 at 9:39 am
If C is on your list let’s hope we get the Wis 2.0 I like him a lot hopefully he is available when it’s our turn to draft.
My draft priorities would be C, OLB, WR, and RG. I’d take Wis, Moch out of Nevada, Pettis out of BSU, and Hurd out of UCONN. Again if they are available.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:40 am
# Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Matt L is an idiot with a weak arm.
No thank you!!
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Ad coveted him out of SC, he is a first round bust, what more evidence do you need?
December 4th, 2010 at 9:41 am
I think Vince Young or Matt Leinart could be in S&B next year. Former 1st round picks and all….and that’s a Davis M.O
December 4th, 2010 at 9:46 am
I am pretty sure I saw B Campbell in a a play. It might have been on the first kick return of the game, towards the S. end zone.
Cable met him 10 yards onto the field, he was yapping away at him, probably “coaching him up” about some mistake.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:46 am
SnB,
I understand what you are saying, but think about it from another view. Why isn’t Bush playing more, and why did it take MM that long to get on the field? Cable has his guys, and he starts them regardless if we have better players available or not.
He doesn’t like Bush, so he doesn’t play him unless he has to. It’s dad, maybe that’s the case with Bruce Campbell, or I hope it is anyway.
Cable guys: Cooper, Gallery, Fargas (thank god he is no longer on the team), Bruce Grad, and Veldheer.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Sad*
December 4th, 2010 at 9:47 am
# SnB Production Says:
December 4th, 2010 at 9:41 am
I think Vince Young or Matt Leinart could be in S&B next year. Former 1st round picks and all….and that’s a Davis M.O
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I think Dakota mentioned it yesterday. Makes total sense.
You kNow it!
December 4th, 2010 at 9:48 am
If we lose tomorrow and KC wins, and J Campbell has a bad game and our running don’t produce anything there will be some of these changes we’re talking about.
Boller might start. B Campbell might go LT and Veldheer to RT. If we move the ball and score with ease, the Nation will be ever more pissed with Cable and Hue Jax.
But the future will look bright. Hopefully with a smarter HC.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Raider O,
You hit the nail on the head. Cable has his guys and I think loyalty is key to him.
The Justin Fargas situation sealed it with me too. Not too mention his wedded devotion to Kwame Harris. Its fine to have “your guys” they just better be damn good.
Cable loves the all heart no talent player and it has set back the franchise.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:52 am
In my opinion, the Raiders shouldn’t be drafting these “long-term” projects anymore. They don’t get great teaching/scheme coaches…they have a lot of rah-rah you can do it guys.
So stop getting players that require a ton of good coaching because the Raiders don’t get them.
Get players that are more game ready now and let’s try that for a while.
DHB is another guy. Is the guy football ready or not?
December 4th, 2010 at 9:53 am
I agree with Cable having his guys and that’s why next year he will be sitting in an O-Line meeting teling his head coach: Hey we should look at Carlisle, I had him last year in Oakland. He still has some legs left. He can clean this up for us. Let’s talk about it.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:53 am
504,
Who in the world wants to see Kyle Boller play? Seriously. THe guy was garbage in Baltimore and got cut from St.Louis.
If JC flames out…who cares…Kyle Boller is no QB.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Tom Cable isn’t going anywhere.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Kolb will be available, but maybe not willing.
December 4th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Tom Cable isn’t going anywhere??????????
They can’t bring him and Jason Campbell back and expect to sell tickets.
December 4th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Al’s going to have to do something flashy this off-season to sell Season-Tickets, to the ever hopeful gullible.
December 4th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Thank god we dont have to worry about seeing your fat grimey a$$ at the games. A win/win for everybody involved. You can blog from your chair on your lazy hump 20hrs a day 7 days a week making the same tired complaints over & over.
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# KoolKell Says:
December 4th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Al’s going to have to do something flashy this off-season to sell Season-Tickets, to the ever hopeful gullible.
December 4th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
189.Glutten for Punishment Says:
December 4th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Not looking forward to our a$$ whipping tomorrow!!!!
190.Raider O Says:
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Don’t watch it. I’m not.
December 4th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
87.Raiders for life Says:
December 3rd, 2010 at 7:15 pm
If DHB would catch one with his hands then get leveled by a safety and hang on to the ball. Then jump back up and think to himself…that wasn’t so bad. The learning curve would be over.
I think he’s scared of getting plowed. Seems like he always tries to catch the ball with his body so he can prepare for the big hit.
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Yeah, the guy has first round draft pick $, and STILL isn’t willing to take a shot to earn any of it.
Just like Jamracus, he will enjoy his big contract and then play for the league minimum if some team is dumb enough to give him another shot when his glorious career in Oakland is over.
December 4th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Q: Coach Cable you’re 5-7 after this 49-6 loss to the Chargers. Where does the team go from here?
TC: Well obviously we have to start thinking about winning some games here or we risk, you know, the deal. The deal of the, you know, being a playoff team this year. I’ll have to look at the fil though.
Q: How do you explain this 3 game losing streak, and getting blown out in all three when things were going so well before the bye?
TC: Well the record says 5-7, but I don’t pay attention to that stuff. Like I said, it’s about us; not the scoreboard or the standings or anything else. No, I don’t believe we’re 5-7 right now. We’re a good, no.. great football team. It’s getting close to being the time where, you know, we have to prove it on the field. The deal is getting close to the point that games are going to start to matter soon. This three game streak here is just a little “lull” like I said last week. We know who we are and it isn’t 5-7 I can tell you that. That’s not what we’re all about. I said we were a playoff team and that’s what we are.
Q: Thanks Coach.
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