Madden: Time change much ado about nothing
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, December 10th, 2010 at 2:56 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders coach Tom Cable has added Father Time to his job title this week, moving everything forward three hours in an attempt to trick the body clocks of his players.
In theory, the fact that the Raiders got up earlier and practiced three hours earlier all week will make a 1 p.m. start in Jacksonville seem like a 1 p.m. start on the West Coast. Rather than wiping the sleep out of their eyes, the Raiders hit the field ready to play.
Cable cited this year’s games in Tennessee and Pittsburgh as problematic (although the Nashville game was a two-hour change _ noon in a central time zone), games the Raiders looked sluggish from the outset and lost by a combined score of 70-16.
He didn’t like the way the team opened the game against Pittsburgh last season in a 27-24 win, with the Raiders scoring three touchdowns in the fourth quarter to pull it out. A trip to New Jersey for a 1 p.m. game that fit the 10 a.m. West Coast window was over early. Giants 44, Raiders 7.
(The Raiders beat Tampa Bay in that time slot 31-24 to close the 2008 season in a game that went a long way toward Cable being named head coach).
Madden, during his regular spot on KCBS (740-AM) Friday, didn’t think Cable’s clock management would necessarily hurt, but he didn’t think it would help, either.
“That really doesn’t have anything to do with anything,” Madden said. “It’s who you have get up at 5 o’clock in the morning. It’s always going to boil down to that. If you have the better team and you go and play like you should you’re going to win. If you don’t have the better players, you’re going to lose. , whether you get up at 5 o’clock or 6 o’clock or 7 o’clock.
“I don’t know that that’s going to make them play any better, I really don’t.”
But what about the Raiders’ troubles in East Coast games?
“Which Raiders? I mean, those Raiders have been lousy every place,” Madden said. “They’ve been lousy at home. They’ve been lousy when they go down to San Diego for years and other places too. When the Raiders were good it didn’t seem to bother them.”
Madden said the only time he could recall a “morning” game being a problem was a Thanksgiving date in Detroit during a short week. The Raiders jumped ahead 14-0, then ran out of gas and lost 28-14.
When asked what he would say if Cable asked him about the strategy, Madden said, “First of all he’s not going to ask me. If he did I would say that it doesn’t make any (difference), if you believe in it and maybe the payers believe in it and it helps, then fine. I don’t necessarily think it’s going to change either way.”
Madden’s right in that it can’t hurt, and it’s not as if the Raiders haven’t pushed the boundaries of logic looking for any edge in the past. For years, the Raiders almost always switched hotels after they lost a road game, using a different one the next time they visited that city.
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December 10th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Uno…
December 10th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Dos…
December 10th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
I heard a rumor that Donald Trump will take over the Raiders organization once the rich Arab is dead!
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WRONG. Donald Trump was the 20th bomber who took down WTC 7 with a hairpiece bomb. The real DT has been dead for 9+ years!
December 10th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
(The Raiders beat Tampa Bay in that time slot 31-24 to close the 2008 season in a game that went a long way toward Cable being named head coach).
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That was an unfortunate day.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Tiger Woods will own the Raiders some day. Carve it in stone.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Madden doesn’t want a tool like T Cable even asking him questions.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Whew, tough week at the Stop n Go.
Boss found out that I was moonlighting at the competition, the Kwikee Mart.
Good thing I have a third job, stop n go might fire me after all these years
December 10th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Plunketthead, you could always get a job at the Kum and Go.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
I was in trouble with him anyway, every since I told him OJ was innocent and named the real killer.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
They fired me three years ago.
I got caught guzzling tall boys in the walk in
December 10th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
LOL if anyone cant run with the softball I just tossed up, they well have to give up on their dream of becoming a great comedian
December 10th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Off to embark on the return mission home.
Raiders 24 Jaguars 23
December 10th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
I jus cant stop laughing thinking about you guzzling down tall boys in the walk in.. How tall were they?
December 10th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
They fired me three years ago.
I got caught guzzling tall boys in the walk in
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How long have you been out. Good for you Plunketthead! It’s nice to see you are proud of your sexuality and aren’t afraid to admit that you are gay on a football blog.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Thats not comedian material.
Come on you can do better then that
December 10th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
MR, almost as good as you announcing you would like to bang your cousin.
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# A.B. Paine III Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
How long have you been out. Good for you Plunketthead! It’s nice to see you are proud of your sexuality and aren’t afraid to admit that you are gay on a football blog.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
My cousin is hot Mista.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
What breed is she ?
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# A.B. Paine III Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
My cousin is hot Mista.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 1st, 2010 at 11:57 am
Save it. Mark it. I’ve got a few fine cousins, only my generation or older, though. If they would, I would. Hell yes. Sorry. My junk has a mind of its own.
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 1st, 2010 at 12:06 pm
What hole am I in? Is there something wrong with wanting to do your cousins? Is that taboo? If so, Sorry. Don’t know what to say. I have two cousins, both older, I would do in a heartbeat. Wanted to do them since I was a teenager. You guys can bring it up every day.
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 1st, 2010 at 2:56 pm
My cousin Theresa has a perfect body at age 40 and this ridiculous pair of cans. Wanted to do her since I was a teenager. Don’t care what anyone thinks of it. You can bring it up every day. That’ll be my response.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Purple lol
Thats pretty good.
I was talking about AB’s reply in the last post
December 10th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Man 2day is getting way off topic…
HOW BOUT THEM RAIDERS
December 10th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Purple lol
Thats pretty good.
I was talking about AB’s reply in the last post
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That wasn’t supposed to be a joke. I though you were gay. I though that was common knowledge on this blog.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
I miss the steve alford troll, a little bit.
Owns a tattoo parlor and snorts more pain pills then any man alive.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
5.No Mas Diamante Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Tiger Woods will own the Raiders some day. Carve it in stone.
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Cool, cause them RAIDERS like lots of strange PU$$Y too!
December 10th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Wonder if the early practices pay off.
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LA to TheBay Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
The Raiders have had some success in recent years on trips back East, beating the Steelers 27-24 last year and ending the 2008 season with a 31-24 win at Tampa Bay.
But since the start of the 2003 season, Oakland is just 5-17 in day games in the Eastern time zone.
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“I don’t know that that’s going to make them play any better, I really don’t.”
But what about the Raiders’ troubles in East Coast games?
“Which Raiders? I mean, those Raiders have been lousy every place,” Madden said. “They’ve been lousy at home. They’ve been lousy when they go down to San Diego for years and other places too. When the Raiders were good it didn’t seem to bother them.”
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Whatever, Madden.
You were a lot cooler when you were coaching the Team of the Decades, before doing Tanactin commercials and wearing blush.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Madden lost me with his Favre mancrush and Turducken.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
I say the raiders will force the jags into two ” 3 and outs” this game…Run the ball with dmac and bush all day..keep em off the field
December 10th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Hmmm Turducken?
December 10th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Purple did you just start watching NFL?
Every Thanksgiving Madden would serve Turducken after the game.
Turducken = turkey, duck, and chicken.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Turducken is the business.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
I meant to put an exclamation marl….Sorry there Mista… Im fat I know what Turducken is!!
December 10th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Turducken, Guzzling tall boys, and keeping it in the family.
wow…
December 10th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Maybe it is I don’t know was just sick of hearing about it like the man invented the wheel or something. All he did was mix meats for fux sakes.
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# LA to TheBay Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Turducken is the business.
December 10th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
****Marl=Mark
December 10th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Food is my main game man
December 10th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Can we talk about food…Im hungry
December 10th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
Purple where do you rank beef jerky? I say its in the top 5 of snack foods.
-hot wings
-jerky
-peanuts/sunflower seeds
-popcorn
-nachos
December 10th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Jerkey is an old faithful of Junk Food I say top 2….
Pheasant jersey is awesome
December 10th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Mhmmmm Pheasant is probally 1 of my favorite birds to eat…. Nothin better than a Pheasant roasted in pork fat and lemon zest with a cranberry chutney ,fresh garlic green beans and a nice spinach salad
December 10th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
And red wine.
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# PurpleDrank81 Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Mhmmmm Pheasant is probally 1 of my favorite birds to eat…. Nothin better than a Pheasant roasted in pork fat and lemon zest with a cranberry chutney ,fresh garlic green beans and a nice spinach salad
December 10th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
I’m out. Be good, Nation.
December 10th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
quiet news day around here.
December 10th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
With all due respect to Coach Madden..
Madden hasn’t flown across country in 30 years. Plus when his teams did fly back in the day, the players had all the access to all the cross tops and greenies they could wash down with a tall boy… That’s why it didn’t matter, Coach…
December 10th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Interesting comments by Madden. He doesn’t buy the Time Zone excuse. I did. Seems to me the Raiders always had trouble back there.
December 10th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
I wonder how this works out
December 10th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
As ne1 been to Jacksonville?
December 10th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
That old failure with that 1983 Jerry Curl,.hes already written his “Same ol Al Davis gameplan” post, saved it in a new file,..so as soon as things go south sunday he can copy and paste it to here…thats what most 60 year old real estate tycoons do while “at work”….lol
December 10th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
# 909RaiderLifer Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
With all due respect to Coach Madden..
Madden hasn’t flown across country in 30 years. Plus when his teams did fly back in the day, the players had all the access to all the cross tops and greenies they could wash down with a tall boy… That’s why it didn’t matter, Coach…
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Real Talk…
December 10th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Funny. It wasn’t us ..it was the hotel! lol.
Man, listening to these anchors …no one is giving the Raiders a shot vs Jack. Not much different than last week vs SD.
Like any other Sunday its up to the Raiders to prove it.
Here’s to hoping the SD win is the beginnings of another streak. This one taking us to the playoffs.,
December 10th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
I have a hard enough time getting up to watch the 10 am games, I would hate to have to get up and play them.
December 10th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Chiefs lose to Chargers, Rams, and Raiders.
Chargers lose to the Bengals.
Raiders go 3-1 over the final 4 (Winning in KC to end the year)
All 3 finish 9-7.
Raiders win AFC West based on Division Record.
December 10th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
I like us being the underdog..We always tend to come out and surprise when were playin that role
December 10th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Raiders no doubt have the tougest road out of KC & SD. But its any given Sunday. I just can’t call it. I know what I expect but you never know what you are going to get with the Raiders.
Chances are you’ll know pretty early on which team shows up Sunday.
December 10th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
Raiders 27
Jax 23
December 10th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
madden is calling it what it is…its not what time the game is or where the game is…do you have the huevos to buckle your chinstrap and hit someone?
December 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
What I think will happen?
CHIEFS – (2-4) over the stretch maybe (1-4) considering Cassel’s health; losing to SD, Raiders and the possible being the STL.
Finish: 10-6 or 9-7
CHARGERS – (4-0) or (3-1) with the possible loss coming at Cincy. You never know and Cincy could jump out at you same as they did vs N.O.
Finish: 10-6 or 9-7
BALTIMORE – Who currently holds a wild card spot …(4-0) or (2-4) with possible losses to the Saints, Texans or Bengals.
Finish: 12-4 or 10-6
NEW YORK JETS (the other current wild card holder) – Clinch
Finish: N/A
OAKLAND RAIDERS – (4-0) or (2-4) with possible losses at Jax and vs Indy.
Finish: 10-6 or 8-8
Suffice to say, 8-8 just is not going to make the playoffs. They have to win at least 3 of the final four to make it imo. So someone, either Jax or Indy by my count have to fall to the Raiders.
December 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
#37, are you saying they are the same person?lol
December 10th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
48.PurpleDrank81 Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
As ne1 been to Jacksonville?
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Yeah, been there a couple times. Place is surrounded by water. Lots of water around the city. Sort of like New Orleans.
One good thing, their weather/climate is almost exactly like Oakland year round. That’s why if Oakland gets a new stadium they will someday host a Super Bowl cus Jax’ville did.
December 10th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
CORRECTIONS! (too much tequila!)
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
What I think will happen?
CHIEFS – (2-2) over the stretch maybe (1-3) considering Cassel’s health; losing to SD, Raiders and the possible being the STL.
Finish: 10-6 or 9-7
CHARGERS – (4-0) or (3-1) with the possible loss coming at Cincy. You never know and Cincy could jump out at you same as they did vs N.O.
Finish: 10-6 or 9-7
BALTIMORE – Who currently holds a wild card spot …(4-0) or (2-2) with possible losses to the Saints, Texans or Bengals.
Finish: 12-4 or 10-6
NEW YORK JETS (the other current wild card holder) – Clinch
Finish: N/A
OAKLAND RAIDERS – (4-0) or (2-2) with possible losses at Jax and vs Indy.
Finish: 10-6 or 8-8
Suffice to say, 8-8 just is not going to make the playoffs. They have to win at least 3 of the final four to make it imo. So someone, either Jax or Indy by my count have to fall to the Raiders.
December 10th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
R8rwill Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
#37, are you saying they are the same person?lol
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As if there’s only ONE Al Davis critic in the whole wide world?
where you been sonny?
December 10th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
KC loses to San Diego, St Louis, Oakland to finish 9-7
We beat Jax’ville, Denver, Indy, and KC.
We will be AFC West Champions
December 10th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
One game at a time. I’m not from the “show me state” …but with this team ..I have to adopt that persona.
December 10th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Jax:
Rushing: 2nd
Passing: 29th
Offense: 17th
scoring:18th
Pass
D: 27th
Rushing D: 17th
D: 24th
Raiders:
Rushing: 3rd
Passing: 28th
Offense: 16th
scoring: 13th
Pass D: 9th
Rushing D: 23rd
D: 13th
December 10th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Raider O
The difference is in the Defense.
December 10th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Convert manageable 3rd downs, Score TD’s not field Goals.
Let the Dog’s loose on Defense.
December 10th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
How about D vs points? It is
Raiders : 18th, 22.4/game
Jaguars :24th, 25/game
I’d rather give up a ton of yards then and take field goals then give up points.
December 10th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
The Raiders rushing D should be in top shape for the Jags.
I almost feel sorry for Drew the Dwarf. I bet he drives a clown car
December 10th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Raiders 27
Jax: 23
Print that!
KK is right. The difference is in the defense, and we have that edge.
December 10th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
My biggest fear is we win out, win the VL or at least win a plaoff game or two and then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Jerry Jones steals the COY from Al
Good news is Tom is a Raider and Al will have to lock him out to get him to leave. As a Raiderfan I klnow that most coaches are using Al to move out of Oakland. No way Tom leaves. He is like Art Shell in that respect
December 10th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
I think Gore was the last back to get over 100 against the Raiders. They just shut down a hot back in Tolbert and I don’t think we will ever get in a big enough like to give Jones Drew the amount of carries the dolphins backs got.
December 10th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
The difference is Hiram Eugene. If we don’t get at least a field goal from him, we lose.
December 10th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
When the Raider O converts 3rd downs, the Defense get’s fired up, and fresh.
When they go 3 & out it deflates the Defense.
If the Raiders consistently convert on 3rd, that defense is a monster.
December 10th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
5.No Mas Diamante Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Tiger Woods will own the Raiders some day. Carve it in stone.
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prob true after AD is dead. TW is stingie with his mulla and wouldnt let Al waste it.
December 10th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
Manageable down & distance, convert the 3rd down.
That means run the ball on 1st down.
December 10th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Run the ball on first down for positive yardage.
December 10th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I was watching NFLN and those guys were talking about who will win the AFC West Rod Woodson was one of em and Jamie Dukes. They were talking about the Cheifs would have to lose 3 of 4 and San Diego would have to run the table and the debate was about the easy schedule for the Chargers vs KC not having a collapse.
I’m sittin there like are you effin kidding me? No mention whatsoever of the Raiders standing betwen them. Not one mention. That was a spit in the face not a slap.
Keep doubting, all yall freakin experts out there.
December 10th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
I got married a few months ago in San Francisco…was taking pictures w/ our photographer…and randomly…John Madden walks by and he’s just watching us take pictures. I immediately run over, shake his hand and tell him this is now the happiest day of my life…thanks to you, John.
December 10th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
I saw the same shiit. I couldn’t believe they completely left out the raiders in the discussion
December 10th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Ne1 out there
December 10th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
No one expects the Raiders to run the table.
2-2 won’t get it done, but that is the realistic expectation for them.
But everyone knows this team is fully capable of going 1-3 over the last 4 games.
If they finish 8-8, they should all take turns slapping the crap out of Janikowski for blowing the Cards game.
December 10th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
The Raiders will be better off if KC beats SD, in the long run SD is more of a threat to win the AFC West than KC.
All the Raiders need to worry about is winning all their games and they’re in.
December 10th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
I can’t believe you guys care what those “experts” at BSPN say. They’re wrong more than weather guys.
December 10th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
that was funny Raider 75 … slapping the crap out of Janikowski might take awhile, though
December 10th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
‘Sup people.
Yeah, the media have been making it out all week like it’s a two horse race in the West between SD and KC. Which is kinda annoying since Oakland is 4-0 in the division.
If the Raiders can win this tough one in Jax, I think they could realistically run the table.
I see it coming down to that week 17 game in KC for all the marbles. Flex scheduled to an 8:00 primetime start. Winner take all. The Raiders have played real well in KC as of late, too. Won 3 of 4 or 4 of last 5. Something like that.
December 10th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Woodson should know better than to shortchange the Raiders … At least Chris Berman loves us
December 10th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
I think this Sunday is their toughest test remaining. Moreso than Indy and Peyton even.
MJD makes me nervous. He’s a little bowling ball with low center of gravity. Dude can bounce off tacklers and break a long one, which can be Oakland’s downfall when the run D struggles. They need to swarm to the ball and gang tackle that little sucker.
December 10th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
where’d everybody go? … to the bar
December 10th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
# zopi Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
The Raiders will be better off if KC beats SD, in the long run SD is more of a threat to win the AFC West than KC.
All the Raiders need to worry about is winning all their games and they’re in.
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How do you figure that? If Raiders run the table, and KC only loses the last game, then KC wins the West.
AFC playoff picture could almost be locked by the end of the Monday night game between Baltimore and Houston. With San Diego, Oakland, Indianapolis and Miami at 6-6, all of them are two games behind Baltimore for the final playoff spot in the AFC. If Baltimore and the Jets win this week, the only thing really left to decide is who wins the AFC South and West.
KC has to lose at least 2 games for Oakland to have a shot.
December 10th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Ghost ,
Were you being sarcastic about Chris berman loving the Raiders? I hope so. That dude loves the Chargers. I think he gets a stiffy when he thinks about them in their powder blues. You can tell he loves the Niners and the Bills. Nobody circles the wagons like….
His signature call of Da Raidersssghhhh is more of mocking derision than “loving” them.
December 10th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Has anybody heard if Sproles is cleared to play this week after McPain cleaned his clock? I hope so. Like somebody just said KC has to lose at least once going into the finale. I’d rather take my chances that SD can beat them, rather than count on the Rams or Titans.
As much as it might suck, I think we all need to root like hell for SD on sun.
But, for it to matter the Raiders have to take care of their own business first.
December 10th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
turnovers turnovers turnover turnovers turnovers turnovers. That will be the difference. What is our ratio???? what is theirs????
December 10th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Don’t worry about what the media says:
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When the Raider O converts 3rd downs, the Defense get’s fired up, and fresh.
When they go 3 & out it deflates the Defense.
If the Raiders consistently convert on 3rd, that defense is a monster.
December 10th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Win the Damned Game, Screw the Media.!
December 10th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Take Care of Business, Screw the Media!
December 10th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
I agree KK….
December 10th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Convert 3rd Downs, Screw The Media!
December 10th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
I hope they can convert enough 3rd downs to get enough carries for both DMac AND Bush like last week. They proved they can be a devestating one-two punch. That was nice.
I’m watching the Charger game right now. Campbell was very impressive. I just saw the play where he scrambled around in the pocket, kept the play alive and kinda lateralled (sp?) to Bush for like a 25 yd run. Sweet play.
I can’t believe somebody was on here last week talking about how they won in spite of him. Or that they gameplanned around him. JC played a very good, efficient game last week..no matter what his stats were.
December 10th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
They beat the piss out of SD. I was only half joking Sunday when I said I hope they didn’t beat em up too badly both physically and emotionally, that SD couldn’t take care of business vs. KC.
December 10th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
All the rest of these games will be tough. If you want to make the playoffs it will take comittment and focus. They cannot scoreboard watch the only team they should worry about is themselves anything else will cost them dearly.
December 10th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Buck the JC haters will be here no matter what he does he can thyrw 3TD’s and pass for 350 yards and they’ll find something wrong with that.
He just has to go play………period
December 10th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
This week’s perfect scenario…
S.D. beats K.C.
Campbell doesn’t play like JaJason and the Raids defeat the JaJacksonville JaJaguars.
Then the Raids control their own destiny the rest of the way, with Mr. Momentum on their side.
Beat the JaJags !
December 10th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Madden is right on the first part. It really doesn’t mater who is up early. If they are no good at 1 PM then they still suck at 10:00 A.M.
The part I think John is missing is a sense of discipline and schedule and a little team energy and buying into an idea. Frankly, if the players are into the idea, then that’s part of the battle being won.
My own guess: From a practical standpoint it means nothing. From an intangible standpoint it means plenty.
Final score:
Oakland: 34
Jacksonville: 24
December 10th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Final score:
Raiders – 36
Jaguars – 24
36…but only if she’s 5′-3″!!
December 10th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
Priest,
The guy got off to a rough start with the Raiders. He took that hellacious shot in preseason vs SF and then got hit pretty good vs Tenn in the opener and I thought the guy got a little rattled. Sometimes had that deer in the headlights look. But, I think the pass protection is improving.
When the line gives him time and the running game is clicking this guy can be very effective. Especially with his excellent play action skills. The guy throws a nice pass. He’s proven he can be a 60% comp. guy in this league.
With Grads out of the picture and the Raiders squarely in the playoff race, he’s got a nice audition to show that he can be the man going forward in Oaktown. Win out or go 3 and 1 and earn himself a nice little extension and be the undisputed starter going into next season.
December 10th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Madden’s starting to get on my nerves now. We have a Raider coach who’s winning suddenly so Madden should probably treat him with a little more respect than the typical Davis puppet, and stop poo pooing his ways of motivating the team. Madden coached in a day when Al Davis (and Ron Wolf) stock piled him with some of the greatest talent in the football world with no salary cap. I’m sure he didn’t have to worry about time changes, considering he had 22 players who could play at their A-game level hung over on one hour’s rest. No team has that kind of talent today so preparation is everything. BOOM! Put a sock in it, Madden. I love ya and I named myself after ya, but you’re getting on my nerves.
December 10th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
I’ve criticized JC sometimes. His reads and slow release. Pittsburgh made him look bad. But the Steelers pressure has made many a QB look bad.
In his defense, this is his first year with Hue and a young cast of WR’s. There is still a learning process going on. Rome wasn’t built in a day, as they say. Another offseason and I think this offense could be pretty damn good.
Both Campbell and the Raiders are two parties that could benefit from some continuity and stability.
December 10th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
the Steelers pressure has made many a QB look bad.
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Not Gradkowski.
December 10th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Amen RMR,
This is one time when I’m in complete agreement with ya. I thought Madden’s comments came off as kinda pissy too. I think he was trying to convey an old school attitude of we’ll play anybody , anywhere, anytime kinda thing. We’d meet ya in the back alley at midnight and duke it out.
However, I think there is something to the west coast teams traveling east. It’s not just the Raiders. I like John, read 3 of his books and respect his opinion usually. But this time I agree with you. He should put a sock in it.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
RMR,
You talking about this year or last? I love Grads and his spunk and all. He came in and lead a crisp drive, but it ended in a costly int. He didn’t lead them to any points either.
Last year. That 4th qtr was some of the most fun I’ve had watching a Raider game since ‘02. That shootout was fun. But Pittsburgh also played that game without Mr. Head and Shoulders. We all know what a difference that guy makes to their defense. Kinda comparing apples to oranges.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Madden just always loves to rag on current Raider coaches for their futile routines but he makes a lot more sense when the team is losing.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
How ya doin my old Sactown buddy,..livin in rural Sacramento,…to some that means youre a low life…hope alls well with you,…Im still on the Gruden campaign….but these wins are hurting my cause,…sucks.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Both. He lit Pittsburgh up last year, and at least gave us some fire this year in what was pretty much a lost game. He at least got into Steeler territory and even the red zone. Sure he through the pick to Troy but the game was lost and we were in desperation mode anyway. I’m sorry. Grads plays well against the Steelers. And to use the second half he played in a few weeks ago to clean Campbell’s mess as an example to the contrary is just chicken s###
December 10th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
I say that I hope with getting the players to practice at 6AM that it didn’t wear them out…
Anyways, I’ll be working and have to tivo the game! I hope that I am smiling when I leave and cannot wait to go home and watch it!
December 10th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
I don’t care what anyone thinks of where I live. Most people from the bay and LA who bash SAcramento are nobodies from the bay and LA. They don’t have any friends, don’t know anyone. They think that just living there and having to go down on other men just to pay their rent is worth bragging about.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
I say that I hope with getting the players to practice at 6AM that it didn’t wear them out…
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Now comments like this are making me start to agree with Madden. Jesush H. Christ they’re a pro football team not a girl’s softball team.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Actually old friend,..only one person here bags on rural Sacramento,..he feels living in the bay area makes him sophisticated,..I love Sacramento.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Exactly, MR…I was being sarcastic!
December 10th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
What is the deal with Rod Woodson? He was on the AFC Champ. team of 2002 with Raiders, but he seems to have a bad attitude about the Raiders.
Is it becuz he was traded? Funny how the old guys from the “glory years” of the late 70’s, early 80’s are ‘Raiders for life’ but you don’t hear that from the guys that played here in recent yrs.
-Gannon
-Sapp
-Tim Brown
-Rod Woodson
They all seem to have an axe to grind.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Are you talking about Kell? I’ll give him a pass because I think he’s just doing it to rag on you, as well he should.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
My bad, Hwnrdr.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
I don’t live in rural Sacramento anyway I live in urban Sacramento, and there’s a huge difference.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
The one time Madden really got on my nerves was when he called a MNF game in Denver. Dude at work said I hate it when Madden does Raider games. He’s such a homer. I said..I don’t think so. seems to go out of his way to overcompensate.
Raiders went in to Denver and mopped up the Broncos. Gannon completed like 20 in a row. Early in the game Romo broke Shannon Sharpes arm.
The entire second half as Oakland was beating their asses, Madden kept rambling on how “the whole complexion of the game changed when Sharpe went out”. He must have said it 5 times. I felt like screaming John would you STFU about Shannon Sharpe and his damn arm! Gannon is lighting these SOB’s up!
It was annoying as hell.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Johnny, what did Woodson say?
December 10th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Old Jerry Curl is pushing 60, has too many issues to list,…hes fun to make fun of,..but at the same time,..its sad to see a person that age posting some of the things he posts,..I will assume hes drunk alot while doing it,..mama jokes to brian,..pretty pathetic for a 60 year old.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
No problem…
Victory = sell out for the Donks game on the 19th!
If it doesn’t…then what can I say? I’ll be there…
December 10th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
There is no rural Sacramento,..old Jerry Curl refers to all of Sac as rural…outlining area are rural, if you want to call it that,..I call it an agricultural area…Im in EDH now though myself.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Bob we know why you don’t like Kell, and it has nothing to do with his age, his hair style, his lifestyle, his job, or where he lives.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
I work downtown,…9th st…downtowns nice,..in my book.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Yes there is a rural Sacramento. Maybe not proper, but rural Sac County and rural Sac metro area. If you want to split hairs about it. I consider Elkhorn road rural Sacramento, even though it’s county. And I can see what Kell’s saying by calling Placerville rural Sacramento. In a way it is, even if not technically.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Nothing RMR, I think that is what is annoying him. They were discussing play off scenarios in the AFC west
December 10th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Well Iv never met him, so I dont like or dislike him,…if I dont meet someone, I cant say either way,..clearly hes sick though,…clearly.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
I never said downtown was nice but I’d rather be in the city of Sac than in what Kell calls rural Sac. Too many right wing idiots for me.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Placerville is over 30 miles from Sac,….not even in same county bud.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Bob you hate Kell because you have some kind of association with the Raiders. Maybe you work for the team, maybe you’re just an insane fan, whatever the case, you hate Kell because he bashes Al and the team, and repeatedly backs up his opinions with statistics. So you’re trying to take him down.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
30 miles does not make a place a different world. Sac metro area is pretty big now and 30 miles away from downtown Sac is not that far.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Anybody in here talking football? Do we all just agree that we have no idea which team is going to show up this week? Though I will say John Henderson sounds all fired up and that’s gotta help
December 10th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Iv invited you both to numerous tailgates,..you feel we would jump you, which is plain silly,..old kell is the typical blog dude that has crossed the line so far, so often, he cant actually meet a person from the blog anymore,…but my invitation is an open one,…just a big party,…all good.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
if some pro athlete was from placerville, when commentators talked about him they would just say he’s “From a suburb of sacramento called placerville”. Guarantee it. I think that Lempke guy on the Braves a while back was from p ville. And I remember they always emphasized Sacramento when talking about where he was from, whether he liked it or not.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
As I said, I dont hate him,..never met him,…look alot of my friends dislike Davis,..for lots of reasons,..to me hes just the owner,…rarely crosses my mind,…its pointless to whine about owners…theyre in a different world,…old kell needs to relax, get Al out of his daily thoughts,..just enjoy the football.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
I think that guy is from EDH,..which is where I live now.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
You threatened to attack Kell! Several times. Yeh, we’re going to show up to a tailgate when the people inviting us have threatened at least one of us repeatedly. Brien has threatened me. I have better things to do on Sunday, like sit on my couch and do nothing, than hang out with a bunch of moronic Raider fans who take it all way too seriously, and actually pick fights with people.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Well,..I can tell you nobody in Placerville considers themselves a suburb of Sac…as they shouldnt.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
I swear you guys must have partied next to us a few times in lot D, Bob! Just didn’t know it…from 8 til kick off is always one big party! You with the Raiders, its always good!
December 10th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
It doesn’t matter what that truck stop Placerville considers itself. I’m sure Calabasas doesn’t consider itself a part of L.A., but guess what…
December 10th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Brian is his own man, and likely he might start something,…but I wouldnt…Im there to get high, drink and barbeque…brians at every one of my tailgates,..hes a true Raider fan,..very passionate,…like we all are…we hope to see you sometime,…you would enjoy it….probably all get a big laugh at the blog drama.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Im in Serrano bro,…you would need a gate code to knock on my door….its a beautiful place.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Im at the Cal-Fit most nights,..the one on Marconi-Fair Oaks,…come say hi sometime.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
You mean 24hr workout?
December 10th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
I only partied in A lot once. Back when the Black Hole still had their spot before the porta puddys…D lot is crazy though…
December 10th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
I know where I work out dude,..the Cal-Fit on Fair Oaks,…across the walgreens,..corner of Marconi,…sometimes I use the cal-fit on Sunrise and 50….be real dude,..24 hour sucks….indoor pools suck.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
124.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Johnny, what did Woodson say?
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Nothing in particular really that was blatantly anti-Raider, but the other night the host on NFLN was talking about how this is the first season since ‘02 that the Raiders were in it this late and he said “Rod, you were on that team” and Rod looked annoyed when he said that. Then last night he was talking about playoff chances in the AFC West and all he talked about was KC and SD and what they had to do to make it; didn’t even mention the Raiders. He was comparing those two teams as to who, between the two of them would win the division. It was something very close to: “it’s those reasons that I think KC will win the west as opposed to the Chargers”. As if Oakland didn’t even exist as a possibility. It struck me at the time. Maybe someone had a different take on it, but that was what I got from it.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
As I said,…anyone comes in uninvited, be it a burglar or a security officer,..I will handle it. No prob.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Actually the only 24 Hour gym I know of is on Sunrise and Coloma,..an old grocery store,…loser gym.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
I know there’s a 24 Hour Workout on Fair Oaks and Marconi.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
The Cal Fit, across walgreens, on Fair Oaks and Maerconi,..which of course turns into Palm,..in behind the liquor store,…youre telling me thats a 24 hour?
December 10th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Now after I just typed that last post I do recall a few weeks ago when they were doing that “buying and selling” segment Woodson said he was ’selling’ on the Raiders but he prefaced it by saying that “I love the Silver and Black but I just don’t see them winning the division”. Take that for what it’s worth I guess.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Talk about a liar,..dude,..youre lost.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
You’re lost!
December 10th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Johnny, it tells me Sapp was probably right about Al coming in and ruining defensive game plans.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
DJohnny,
I always liked Woodson’s work on NFLN. I think he’s been very fair on how he covers the raiders. He’s said he grew up a Raider fan in Indiana. He talks about the challenges of playing so much man to man w/ single high safety, etc. But, he’s usually very respectful towards the raiders and Al Davis.
He doesn’t come off as a homer like Big Linc used to. Lincoln Kennnedy defenitely drank the Raider koolaid. he was a homer on NFLN.
Woodson doesn’t come off sounding like a scorned woman with an axe to grind either. Like a certain, big, fat loudmouth who giggles like a little girl. Sapp is such a blow hard.
December 10th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
G’night fellas.
December 10th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Sounds to me like maybe what Sapp said was true. Woodson probably wanted to play more zone, there were probably defenses designed for that, and Al made him play man. Woodson probably felt it might have affected his HOF chances. That’ll do it. And if that is the case, you have to commend Woodson on keeping it close to the vest and not letting his anger go any further than the occasional subtle diss, like this one.
December 10th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
If Woodson said that he sees no way the Raiders win the Division, he may be right, but always loved the underdogs! He could be just trying to throw some fuel out there with hopes that a fire will break out in December!
December 10th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Goodnight all!
December 10th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
http://sports.sho.com/infl/picks.html
December 10th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Wrong link, http://sports.sho.com/browse/video-portal-infl.html?id=703460006001
Sapp picks the Raiders
December 10th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
[...] combat the team’s poor road play, Tom Cable pushed up the Raiders schedule by three hours this week to mimic the East Coast [...]
December 10th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Why. Did I say something wrong (or wrongly)
December 10th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
RMR bringing it with the passive aggressiveness,
Laying the real Sac knowledge on Bob’s brain. Sac is a dump, get over it.
December 10th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
Drexl, were u from? Rancho Cambodia?
December 10th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
The NFL has suspended New England Patriots rookie linebacker Brandon Spikes for four games without pay for violating its policy on performance-enhancing substances, the league announced Friday.
“Spikes’ suspension begins immediately,” the NFL said in a statement. “He will be eligible to return to the Patriots’ active roster on Monday, January 3 following the team’s final regular season game on January 2 against the Miami Dolphins.”
That means Spikes is eligible to participate in all playoff games, should the Patriots make the postseason. They own the AFC’s best record at 10-2.
“I’ve been contacted by the NFL and informed that I will be suspended four games for the detection of an illegal substance in a drug test,” Spikes said in a statement. “The substance was a medication that I should have gotten clarification on before taking. It was not a performance enhancer or an illegal drug. The integrity of the game is very important to me. I understand the league’s ruling and apologize to my teammates, the fans and the Patriots organization for this mistake.”
Spikes has 61 tackles, fourth-most on the team, and one interception in 12 games this season. The Patriots selected the former University of Florida star in the second round of the 2010 NFL Draft.
December 10th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
Funny how when the Raiders are losing Sapp talks nothing but trash about them. They get on some mini-winning streak, all of a sudden there “my Raiders”, and such.
Rather strange way to act don’t you think RMR?
December 10th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
reexl u an Elk Grove boy?
December 10th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
13.PurpleDrank81 Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
I jus cant stop laughing thinking about you guzzling down tall boys in the walk in.. How tall were they?
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Us night crew swabbies used to do this @ Bel Air on Rush River.
We would eat RibEye for lunch @ 3AM, and try a diff brew every night.
December 10th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Sapp needs to take the biscuits out of his mouth before he tries to speak. The man is hard to follow.
December 10th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
I was asking wtf are you talking about Cambodia for? It ain’t that hard to figure out.
December 10th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Don’t play dumb, WTF is a Rancho Cambodia?
December 10th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Where r u from D-Rex?
December 10th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
I just moved to San Francisco last year from Berkeley/
December 11th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Berkeley? SF? Never mind bro, you wouldn’t understand.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:28 am
It’s a holiday for Cambodia.. Don’t forget to pack your …
December 11th, 2010 at 12:37 am
Sapp ia mad Mr Davis didn’t re-up his contract he thought he was going to get another payday and he did’t and it pissed him off………..simple as that
December 11th, 2010 at 12:40 am
Rod Woodson said he didn’t think the Raiders could win the division because of their schedule he just didn’t think they could get through that schedule.
December 11th, 2010 at 1:00 am
[...] combat the team’s poor road play, Tom Cable pushed up the Raiders schedule by three hours this week to mimic the East Coast [...]
December 11th, 2010 at 1:51 am
# Drexl Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
RMR bringing it with the passive aggressiveness,
Laying the real Sac knowledge on Bob’s brain. Sac is a dump, get over it.
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“bringing it with the passive aggressiveness” is actually a passive-aggressive statement in and of itself. You’re saying “bringing”, as in “Bringing it” (aggressive), then using an intellectual term like “passive aggressiveness”. No surprise you can spot passive aggressiveness, it’s your personality trait.
You can think whatever you want of Sacramento, it’s my city and I’m proud of it. For all of the haters we have in the bay and L.A., we sure get a lot of people from there moving here. Maybe it’s because you can get anything in Sac that you can get in any of those places, and it’s a more reasonable cost of living. Meaning: OVERALL, IT’S BETTER.
December 11th, 2010 at 1:53 am
# Dirtiest Raccoon Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
Drexl, were u from? Rancho Cambodia?
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Probably Sacrament. Seeing he just called me passive-aggressive while showing signs of being passive-aggressive himself, I think the similar self hate could apply to his place of origin, too. One of these punks here in Sac Town on the bay or L.A.’s nutz. What do you think?
December 11th, 2010 at 1:54 am
# Drexl Says:
December 10th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
Funny how when the Raiders are losing Sapp talks nothing but trash about them. They get on some mini-winning streak, all of a sudden there “my Raiders”, and such.
Rather strange way to act don’t you think RMR?
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I predicted we’ll lose this week, throwing the ball, due to Al’s meddling.
There’s “my Raiders” for you.
December 11th, 2010 at 4:09 am
The bottom line fellas is that we HAVE to win out! SD WILL beat KC on Sunday giving us the opportunity IF we win out…
The reality folks is that our playoff hopes may end up being decided by one game. How does that missed field goal by Janikowski against Arizona feel now!
When you have opportunities to win games in this league you can never take them for granted. I
f we don’t go to the post season, I can almost guarantee that game in AZ will have ended up being the deciding factor…
December 11th, 2010 at 4:12 am
And by the way, Sacramento sucks. I have family there and they can’t even stand it. Anyone who has lived in the Bay for any extended period of time and has to move to Sac, knows it for the backwards wanna be Bay Area city that it is…
December 11th, 2010 at 5:49 am
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its a great day to be RAIDERFAN
4 games left in the season and the OAKLAND RAIDERS are battling for a playoff spot.
Cable = the next madden
IF KC beats the Discharge, our playoff hopes become very slim. However that puts the discharge out of it and that would be a great thing.
I am sick and tired of STD winning.
December 11th, 2010 at 5:52 am
Madden must be getting old.
Stats show that west coast teams lose a lot more then normal when they travel 3,000 miles and play an early game.
December 11th, 2010 at 6:12 am
I’m not buying the time difference thing either. The Raiders are up and in Alameda by 10:00 everyday, so what’s the big deal? Any time difference wears off as soon as you ge smacked in the the face on the first play.
We SHOULD beat the Jags on Sunday. If we don’t it will be because we lost the chess game, plain and simple. A good game plan is a good game plan no matter what time it is.
December 11th, 2010 at 6:18 am
Cable = the next madden
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Hold on here …
Isn’t it really Marshall who is the captain of this ship? As our defense goes, so goes this team. Does Cable have anything to do with the defense?
Or isn’t Hue who runs things reporting directly to Davis? Doesn’t Hue make all the offensive decisions including who plays?
I’d just really like to know what Cable’s role is?!?!
We know he can call time outs, make the call to go for it or kick a FG on 4th, throw the challenge flag, give press conferences.
Anything else?
December 11th, 2010 at 6:20 am
ArmChair GM Says:
December 11th, 2010 at 4:09 am
The bottom line fellas is that we HAVE to win out!
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I think KC will lose the next 2 with a backup QB.
I can’t wait to see the Raiders play INDY on grass at home. I think our healthy secondary matches up well with them in the man to man.
December 11th, 2010 at 6:23 am
Cable may not be the next Bill Walsh, he may not be a great x & o coach, nonetheless there can be no denying that he has changed the culture of losing.
That alone is a huge accompishment.
He has changed the perception that the Raiders are a joke and he has cleaned up the team and locker room with the no knucklehead rule.
He loves the Raiders. I cannot get over how special that fact is. It makes me want to buy another Cable jersey. This one will have the number 1 instead of 44.
I have not decided if this will say pimp hand tom or King Kong Cable on the back
What do you think.
December 11th, 2010 at 6:29 am
mom & baby are sleeping. BLOG TIME!
(probably for 5 minutes)
LOL
December 11th, 2010 at 6:31 am
“Which Raiders? I mean, those Raiders have been lousy every place,” Madden said. “They’ve been lousy at home. They’ve been lousy when they go down to San Diego for years and other places too. When the Raiders were good it didn’t seem to bother them.”
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Did Al Davis ask John Madden to give the players & coaches extra motivation this week? Dang!
December 11th, 2010 at 6:35 am
If you have the better team and you go and play like you should you’re going to win. If you don’t have the better players, you’re going to lose. , whether you get up at 5 o’clock or 6 o’clock or 7 o’clock.
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it’s ALL on the players, eh Madden?
Did Al Davis convince his former HOF Head Coach that coaches are irrelevant?
good players = wins.
Davis overdrafts & overpays for “his players”.
The ones he thinks can get him another SB ring
December 11th, 2010 at 6:36 am
I have not decided if this will say pimp hand tom or King Kong Cable on the back
What do you think.
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LOL!
December 11th, 2010 at 6:37 am
RRS blogging on a weekend?
Aren’t there some Turkey’s out there waiting on you?
December 11th, 2010 at 6:42 am
Correct me if I am wrong but AL does not think real highly of head coaches. He wont let them mess with his defense and it seems as if Hue was given the keys to the offense.
So you have valid points in wondering what role Tom plays.
I believe we can agree on one thing though. Cable was handed a huge mess of a team, the Raiders were horrible. I honestly think Kiff screwed us over in many ways and set the team back. Combine that with the #1 draft pick who was a huge albatross on the field and in the locker room, contributing heavily to the Raiders are a joke and the players are just there to collect a paycheck.
Tom changed all that. He has installed a new attitude throughout the Alameda complex.
Some may think he will never lead us to the SB, (I disagree) however just by getting us to this point he has my respect and respect throughout the league.
You can bet when he leaves he will get a huge payday because one of the other 31 teams will have confidence that he can change their fortunes.
December 11th, 2010 at 6:43 am
I’d just really like to know what Cable’s role is?!?!
We know he can call time outs, make the call to go for it or kick a FG on 4th, throw the challenge flag, give press conferences.
Anything else?
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to motivate & inspire. to make sure his players are prepared & focused on game day.
so far it’s been hit or miss. still don’t know which team will show up tomorrow.
Like Madden says “Which Raiders?”
it wouldn’t surprise me if we beat Jacksonville by 28 or lost by 28.
MJD could run for 50 yards or 150 yards.
Garrard could have 3 TD passes or 0 TD’s and 2 INT’s
Compare JCamp in games against the Rams, Titans & 49ers versus 2 games against SD & Seattle
Compare DMAC’s games against Denver & Miami
we played without Nnamdi & Zmiller and beat KC! we get both players back after the bye and drop back-to-back games against the Steelers & Fins, who have injury-riddled incompetent O-Lines and we lead th NFL in sacks !!!
December 11th, 2010 at 6:44 am
Morning RR welcome to the slowest morning at jeryworld.
Sat morning is dead, just like diegos chances of ever going to the SB
December 11th, 2010 at 6:46 am
mornin’ nation,
wow, rmr and norco bob got into a name calling spat last night.. now i don’t seee the posts.. does the blog admin. delete such things?
December 11th, 2010 at 6:48 am
RRS blogging on a weekend?
Aren’t there some Turkey’s out there waiting on you?
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LOL!
I did have an offer to go trapping this morning, but I’m watching the baby so mom can sleep. She was up with him from 10:30 to 1am last night and again from 5 to 7:30am this morning. She has a hair appt in a few hours, because we are getting family Christmas pics taken today. She didn’t want to look tired on all of our Christmas cards, ya know?
I did make plans to go blackpowder hunting next Satuday though. Muzzleloader deer season begins – be about it!
December 11th, 2010 at 6:51 am
Morning RR welcome to the slowest morning at jeryworld.
Sat morning is dead
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Morning Plunk!
it doesn’t matter to me bro. I’m basically counting the minutes until baby Rockstar starts crying his head off so I can feed & burp my little fella.
not sure if this is normal, but he is a farting machine! Is that to be expected at 3 weeks old?
December 11th, 2010 at 6:52 am
There is a reason for our inconsistent play.
#1 Raiders are young, inexperianced.
#2 Cable is still learning
#3 and most important.
For some odd reason (all those years of kicking arse and taking names) has every team “UP” when they play us.
Teams and players seem to have their best game when playing us. It is not just because we are bad.
Look at Chad f$#@*ng Henne and many others.
Dudes have the game of their lives against us
December 11th, 2010 at 6:53 am
yes it most certainly is
December 11th, 2010 at 6:53 am
Tom changed all that. He has installed a new attitude throughout the Alameda complex.
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I don’t know that we can say that.
Cable gets a lot of credit for getting rid of Russell, but let’s be honest here. If Russell had accepted a paycut, he’d still be here.
Who else did he “get rid of”?
I’d argue that Seymore and Wauffle have had more of an impact on this team this year than anything else.
Cable getting a contract extension this offseason is just something I am not on board with yet. I hope he does get a big offer from someone else so we can get a HC who can actually contribute to what most of us think a HC should be going.
The coordinators report to the owner not the HC!
December 11th, 2010 at 6:56 am
ya know?
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I do!
I suspect your hunting time will fall off like my golf time did. Not because anyone is making you, you’ll just not want to go.
December 11th, 2010 at 6:57 am
I “had” two little girls.
One was given a bottle and slept all night, would wake up with half the bottle left and hardly ever cried or woke us up.
The other one would suck down the entire bottle and fall fast asleep, then wake up screaming two hours later. So she would suck down al least 4 full bottles per night
December 11th, 2010 at 6:58 am
not sure if this is normal, but he is a farting machine! Is that to be expected at 3 weeks old?
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Breat feed or formula?
If BF = something Mom is eating is causing gas. If he’s not fussing, don’t worry about it.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:01 am
I dunno Jhill
It sure seems to me that he has a relationship with Al and the players that most coaches dont have.
I can picture players discussing things with Tom. And Tom actually listening and maybe changing things. I cant picture that with most coaches, especially the ones who Al has put in their place.
Most would develop an resentment whereas Cable has rolled with the punches and keeps saying we can do this.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:01 am
RR,
That’s all they do bro. Drink milk, burp, fart, crap, and sleep. They play more when they get older.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:04 am
baby Rockstar chugs down 4oz of formula every 2 hours!
mom pumped out breast milk for the first 2 weeks. he never latched on very well, despite great suction. Seems like that well went dry so we’re doing all Enfamil now. he has regular bm’s (yellow & seedy) but his belly grumbles a lot. We even use special bottles & nipples for anti collic (sp?) and warm the formula before every feeding
December 11th, 2010 at 7:05 am
R8
I saw bob handing out insults throughout the day.
Not just RMR but anyone and everyone.
Is that what you were talking about or did they really get into it last nigh after my bedtime
December 11th, 2010 at 7:06 am
Morning O!
December 11th, 2010 at 7:08 am
Morning RR.
Jhill makes a great point about breast feeding.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:09 am
And Tom actually listening and maybe changing things.
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Like what Plunk?
If Marshall and Jackson have all this control, what is he actually able to change?
I think that is my main thing with this guy now. Get someone in here that the owner trusts enough to let the DCs go through.
Al should be dictating to Cable, and Cable to his DCs.
And remember I said all last year that Cable just needed an asst HC/OC, I never suspected Al would make that guy a direct report.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:11 am
Seems like that well went dry so we’re doing all Enfamil now.
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You might want to try the Soy Enfamil. A little more $, but that might do the trick.
But if the little fella isn’t fussing, then it may be nothing at all. Babies have no problem letting you know something isn’t quite right.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:12 am
RR,
Make sure the bottle is held the right way, and try to minimize the amount of air intake with his drinking.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:13 am
time to go fellas. enjoyed the convo & advice!
December 11th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Damn RR. See what you did bro. You have 4 men (Raider Fans) talking about breast feeding and other related issues.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:18 am
I love this place.
Sports
Politics
Religion
Breast feeding
Etc…
December 11th, 2010 at 7:20 am
You have 4 men (Raider Fans) talking about breast feeding and other related issues.
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lol!
December 11th, 2010 at 7:23 am
I am not there. I dont know what goes on behind closed doors. Raiders are probaly the most secretive team about what goes on.
I am just looking at the results. Things have changed, we are 6-6 and the talking heads are no longer ranting about how disfunctional the team is.
Theres no news about players being unhappy and pissed off like there always is. Theres no talk about the head coach leaving for greener pastures.
The 6-6 (should be 7-5) record says it all.
We can give everyone some credit from Al to Cable to Hue to Marshal to Rich.
Or we can give everyone some credit but dismiss TC as irrelevant. That does not make sense to me.
I am not saying its all because of Tom and nobody eles deserves credit. I think they all do and I agree that Rich and Marshall have played a big part.
The D and the O have both had great games and absolutely horrendous ghames where they cant stop anyone.
If the D had shut everyone down, I would say you can give Rich & Marshal the credit. Just like if the O was tearing it up every game, I would say its because of Hue, but neither of those things have happened.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:24 am
W…T…F?
A temporary diversion into how to have fun with breasts would be OK. But feeding? Go to a fkn baby care blog. Jesus.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:25 am
I still think we need a DC.
-Marshall: 23rd against the run, 9th against the pass, and I hate blitzing S when our CBs are injured and not playing well.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:26 am
As a matter of fact, the offense has improved since Cable took over. The defence has improved since Cable took over. Even the special teams have improved under Tom
If just one phase of the game had improved, you may make the case that Tom has little to do with it.
Thats not the case. The entire team has improved and Cable is a big part of it. IMHO. of course
December 11th, 2010 at 7:27 am
#217, yeah, late last night maybe midnite or so, they started in about a gym in sactown, and that blew up into a name calling spat.. now i don’t see the posts.. it was funny.. do they censure us? thanx for the post.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:28 am
(plunk’)
December 11th, 2010 at 7:30 am
Breasteses!!!!!
December 11th, 2010 at 7:35 am
We have improved under Cable, but I’m not sold on him for 2 reason:
1- we have the same problems: no passing offense, bad OL play, and a defense that can’t stop the run.
2- we have more talent than KC, but they have better coaching. We don’t win the games we are suppose to win: AZ, SF, and Miami.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:44 am
is it possible our team is starting to find its confidence, strengths, health, and rhythm all at the same time?? and does cable have anything to do with that?? is it interesting that now, late in the season, schillens is just activated.. did cable purposely hold bush/schillens out until now? are we on a super bowl winning roll. we’d only need to win seven in a row,,,lol
December 11th, 2010 at 7:45 am
Plunk,
We’ll see how the rest of the season goes, but Cable has far from secure a contract extension in my book. Hasn’t pull himself out of the running, but with his contract being up, I’m certainly taking job applications.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:47 am
SB?!
I don’t think we will make the POs, but I’m hoping we can.
We have improved from prev years, but I don’t think Cable is the guy who will lead this team to the POs and maybe a SB.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:50 am
we need unpgrade from Basic Cable and his coaching Staff.
I like our DL coach and the DBs coach.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Who would be your choice if Al lets Tom go?
Fisher? He does not impress me all that much
Cowher? Wants full power which Al wont give him
DelRio? If jags let him go, he loves Oakland, probaly be my top choice but he is Defense coach. We all know Al does not hire D coaches.
Gruden? No chance, He wants full power and I dont think Al would hire him even if Gruden wants to coach here (which I doubt as well)
I believe Al will take a chance on another unknown college coach or maybe someone who has some NFL experiance, maybe even a failed coach.
I would not rock the boat. I would keep Cable, give him one more year. I consider this his second year since the team was so screwed up after firing Kiff.
So Cable has done a good job, maybe not great but good.
Afterall how many coaches get along with Al and the players and run a clean ship?
December 11th, 2010 at 8:00 am
“I don’t think we will make the POs”
Thats outright blasphemy, son.
You have to believe we can win the next 4 games, at least three of four, which may get us in a tie in which case we get a playoff game at home.
If that happens I will be there and I will be there at the infamous Bree/NB tailgater.
I might get beat up but I will be there
December 11th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Plunk,
I like:
1- Harbaugh
2- Del Rio
3- Fisher will not work with Al, so he shouldn’t be on this list, but I do like him as a HC.
If we keep Cable, I like us to hire:
1- Mike S ad DC
2- Kubiac as OC
December 11th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 11th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Who would be your choice if Al lets Tom go?
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Let’s Tom go?
His contract is up. Like you said, I’m sure he’ll get more offers than the Raiders even if most of them are college jobs.
I don’t know who is out there at this point. I think the Sarkisian fiasco, which led to the Kiffin fiasco, which led to AL introducing a guy as HC that he had no clue about … all needs to be cleaned up.
I’d take Hue as the HC and keep Marshall on as DC with Wauffle getting a FAT raise.
Bring in McDaniels to be the OC.
There’s your continuity.
Promote Cable to the position Hanson thought he was getting.
December 11th, 2010 at 8:11 am
I said I hope we can, but I don’t think Cable with Hue and Marshall can take us there. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not sold on our coaching staff.
-Z Miller doesn’t have a lot of catches, and we can’t find ways to get him the ball.
- our OL is not consistant, and they don’t play well every game.
- We have 2 great players in Nnamdi & Seymour (2 of the best at their position), but we don’t dominate offenses.
- I hate the S blitz when our CBs are injured and not playing well. That’s all Marahall doesis S Blitzes.
- M Bush is not involved in our offense.
- Reece should be used more to take pressure off the TE and the young WRs.
December 11th, 2010 at 8:13 am
I like McDaniels as OC too.
December 11th, 2010 at 8:15 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
December 11th, 2010 at 8:16 am
The only 2 coaches I like are Waufle and Washington.
December 11th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Whatever happens I will do what I always do.
Support whomever Al hires.
I learned a long time ago to roll with ever Al throws at us. I can kick and scream but in the end Al does what he wants to.
I will support Tom and say mostly good things about him just as I will do to whomever the next coach is.
December 11th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Mike S. is a good D Coach, I’d keep Hue but…hire a new WR (Tim Brown?) Coach!
Is Romo still helping our LB’s?
December 11th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Fair enough Plunk!
December 11th, 2010 at 8:23 am
HC: Del Rio
DC: Mike S
OC: Kubiac or McDaniels
Make it happen Al!!!!
December 11th, 2010 at 8:25 am
It sounds as if (from what I have been reading) that the trend is moving away from giving head coaches all the power that they have been getting lately.
So guys like Gruden & Cowher may not be in the opulent driver seat they feel entitled to.
Throw in the uncertainties? about the lock out and teams may be reluctant to hand out big contracts, let alone fire the current coach and hire a new one.
I look for Tom to get another year. But Ive worn this out this morning.
Time to get some vitamin D. Lots of chores to do at the compound. But I will be sporting a huge grin.
The Raiders are on the rise!!
The day is gorgeous!!
God is great!!
I am healthy!!
Best wishes to everyone else today!!
December 11th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Plunk,
You forgot to add:
I have Purp to smoke!!!!!
December 11th, 2010 at 8:31 am
I’m healthy!
I’m high!!
I’m happy!!
December 11th, 2010 at 8:39 am
The thing that some of you are missing in the “who’s responsible for the Raiders being better” debate is that if the players suck it doesn’t matter whether the coaches are any good or not, and if the coaches suck it doesn’t matter if the players are good or not.
The defense is a perfect example. Guys like Kirk Morrison, Thomas Howard and Terdell Sands are gone. They have been replaced by guys like Lamaar Houston, Kamerion Wimbley and Rolando McClain. That has freed Marshall do do more things defensively (like put Seymour inside, which has made Kelly more effective, for example) and made the defense a more capable unit.
The reason we struggle on offense is because we still have the Kirk Morrisons of the world over there. We have one viable wide receiver at the moment, and he’s a rookie. Three-fifths of our offensive line should be replaced. We’re better than we were on offense because the guy calling plays this year is better than the guy calling plays last year, but until he gets some better players in ceratin positions his offense is going to struggle from time to time.
I think Cable has held his team more accountable for their play than anyone that’s coached the team since Gruden. Bringing this team into a game ready to play has not just been an issue for Cable; it’s been a problem for the Raiders for the past seven years. The make or break for Cable will be whether he can keep this team competetive over the next four games. If he can, he will probably get to stay. If he can’t, we can thank him for at least getting the corner partially turned by correcting some personnel issues and getting the team to work hard and play hard, and hope that the next guy can take us further still.
December 11th, 2010 at 8:49 am
well considered Edward Teach.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:07 am
ET,
I agree with what you are saying, but this team is talented, and that’s why some of us here are not happy with the results. Look at the Cowboys. You can’t say that team lacks talent, but they couldn’t win due to coaching.
Look at a team like Jax, they don’t have a lot of talent, but they are winning the division.
Coaching can make talent better, and Talent helps open things up for coaching. This team needs to improve the OL, but we have talent on this team/ offense.
Z Miller
DMC
Bush
Ford
Reece
December 11th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Look at our Defense and how much talent we have there.
Nnamdi
Seymour
Henderson
Wimbley
Huff
McClain
All 1st RD picks, 3 PB players, and 2 great players. The results are 23rd against the run, and 9th against the pass. Does that reflect the level of talent that we have? I don’t think so.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:14 am
what up NATION?
December 11th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Good morning Thec.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Looking ahead we win 2 more games and the coaching staff stays the way it is, unless the coaches get offers to coach elsewhere….
Not saying i like just speaking the inevitable….
December 11th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Hey Brother O…How you are you Man????
December 11th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Raider O,
No one is denying that we have some talented players on offense. We had Seymour, Nnamdi and Tommy Kelly on defense last year but the defense wasn’t as effective as it could have been because we had guys like Morrison that couldn’t do their jobs.
Same with the offense. You have already conceded that the offensive line needs work, and it is a given that one has to have a good one to do well in the NFL. When your quarterback only completes two or three passes per game to his wideouts, you have an issue at receiver and your offensive line is probably not giving you time to throw the ball downfield. It’s why virtually all of our success in the downfield passing game this year has had to come from play-action. Yes, we have two good running backs. Yes, we have a pretty good tight end. Until we get the line fixed and some consistency and performance from our wideouts, however, this team is going to struggle offensively sometimes.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:20 am
-We should use Reece like GB used Finley, and we should run double TEs sets like the Pats. Reece is faster than a LB, and much bigger and stronger than a DB.
-DMB should be more involved in the passing game, and M Bush needs to be more involved in our rushing game.
-that will take presure off Z Miller, which will allow him to be more involved.
-Ford should be targeted more, and doing the prev things will open things for vertical passing.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Raider O,
Look at the way our defense has performed when we’ve had a decent showing offensively, than look at the stats when the offense has played poorly.
You can quote statistics all you want, but knowing what they mean is an entirely different matter.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Thec,
Great bro. I love SD. Best weather in this country.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:22 am
John Madden is a jackass and has been for awhile now. Not suprised by his comments.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Raider O Solid post…
December 11th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Hire McDaniels as an OC???
Didn’t his offense get progressively worse over the last year and half, culminating in a sad sack 6 point performance in KC before getting fired?
His players didn’t really like him, his own staff finked him out on the practice-taping deal, and his team got worse as he went along.
I’m not even sure he would be an upgrade over Sanjay Lal for our WR’s.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:25 am
He may have been part of making Lloyd a stud though
December 11th, 2010 at 9:29 am
I don’t see the point in replacing 3/5’s of our O-line, when they are fresh of humilating a top tier defense.
Our O-line at times has been the most dominant unit of any unit on the whole team.
Yes the pass-proctection could improve, but getting rid of 60% of a great run-blocking line, bringing in FA’s and rookies and just hoping it will magically improve our pass-proctection while not dropping off in run-blocking is a risk I am not willing to take.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:31 am
Well Im havin a couple Hot Toddys then hitting Heavenly for the day,…its sad, and hilarious at the same, time poor old miserable little Maddenraider was here at practically 2:00 in the morning, trying to defend his beautiful Sacramento,..and trying to convince himself how happy he is,…we all know what he is, a guy still living with his mother, mad at the world,…his life sucks, and its clearly the fault of Al Davis…..have a great day people.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:31 am
ET,
I Agree with most if what you are saying. You can have a lot of weapons on offense (Cowboys), but if you can’t block upfront, the weapons can’t do anything. I also understand your point about our offense not being able to help the defense, but we also have to look at the big picture. What are the results?
We had TK and Sey last year, but set was playing DE most of the time. We added talent to this D, which it lacked for years.
We added a PB DT: Henderson, Best MLB in the draft, one of the best DL (Houston) in this draft, and we added DBs.
I agree you with 110%. till we fix this OL, this team will continue to be AVG at best.
Good teams have good O/D lines. We have a great DL IMO, but we have a below avg OL.
That’s one of the reason I’m not sold on Cable. OL Guru
December 11th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Our O-line at times has been the most dominant unit of any unit on the whole team.
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Solid argument however, we need to do whatever it takes to bring consistency to the Oline….It should be dominate 24/7…The Oline guru “should” be able to figure this on out…
December 11th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Our OL is inconsistent, which indicates 2 things:
1- lack of talent
2- bad coaching
December 11th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Thec,
Exactly, consistency is the key.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:38 am
I am not sold on cqable however, unless we have a 4 game melt down he stays…7-9 gets buys him another year….
December 11th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Nothing like a little underminig of the coach here. Wonder where that stemmed from. Could of supported the guy. I don’t know about you Madden, but when I board a plane, heck, even a few days earlier, say I board a plane for Sydney from Los Angeles, I’m already there Sydney time. I set my watch to Sydney time before I leave LA. It’s productive. I know what he is trying to do, give the guy credit.
These are not your fathers Raiders.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Thec07,
I believe Defensive line is the second most important position after QB for a football team.
So accumulating a “dominant” O-line doesn’t do a whole lot of good, because a great D-line whips a great O-line 9 out of 10 times,just like good pitching almost always beats good hitting in baseball.
Pressure is going to be put on a QB from a good D, no matter what. We need the ability to get the ball out and get it into play-makers hands.
Look at the Pats this past Monday night. They gave up a few sacks, Matt Light missed a few blocks on the outside and let the QB get banged around a little. But Tom kept it coming, got the ball to his play-makers and dominated the game, even though the D-line was putting pressure on Brady at least in the first half before the whole team folded.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Vegas,
I diagee bro. I don’t think a great DL wins 9/10 times vs. a great OL.
I say it’s more like 5/5. It depends on who is playing better that day.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Look at the Pats this past Monday night. They gave up a few sacks, Matt Light missed a few blocks on the outside and let the QB get banged around a little. But Tom kept it coming, got the ball to his play-makers and dominated the game, even though the D-line was putting pressure on Brady at least in the first half before the whole team folded.
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NE is a diffrent case altogather. from the way the organization is run, all the way down to the offensive scheme. Ne has better coaches, and a QB that can run the dink…
When I look at the NE Off i think of 2 things;
1. Brady First as he is confident, the team believes.
2. Scheme
With NE scheme you need a quick release. We dont play the dink, we play run, setup the PA…Do we have the personnell on the Oline to be consistent, that is the question…
December 11th, 2010 at 9:46 am
JFB,
I understand your point about the offensive line, but I would say it depends on who we replace them with. Do we go with the latest approach and sign a buch of castoffs? No, emphatically no.
Jared Veldheer is a good example of the type of replacement I’m talking about. He has taken the job from Mario Henderson and we no longer have a problem in the passing game OR the running game with our left tackle. Bruce Campbell has all the physical tools, and hopefully he will have developed to the point that next year he can make a run at Carlisle’s spot. I’ve said for almost two years now that we need a bigger, more physical presence at center; we play too many 3-4 defenses to have a finesse guy there. And so on.
I’m not suggesting we just plug somebody in because they were a former first-rounder, or because they played for Cable in Atlanta, or because they have ZBS experience. Our line can be a lot better, but only if we get the right people. I think we should explore it; yes, they played very well against the Chargers, but the Chargers d-line was banged up when we played them. When you have as many three-and-outs as our offense has, it’s hard to say that you don’t need to improve your offensive line play.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Look at our DL and how ineffective it was vs the Texans, Then look at what they did against the Chargers.
December 11th, 2010 at 9:57 am
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December 11th, 2010 at 9:46 am
But Tom kept it coming, got the ball to his play-makers and dominated the game, even though the D-line was putting pressure on Brady at least in the first half before the whole team folded.
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That’s BaloneyS that “Tom” dominated the game.
It was CLEARLY the game plan of putting Welker and Woodwhoever in different positions to get them matchup advantages. The “chess match” beat the shyyyttte outt NY last week.
You are not going to see us lining Ford and JLH up in the backfield to get them matched up with a LB or S.
In absence of that, we need an upgrade at C and RG.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:04 am
I am always for improving any position on the field if you can, and there is certainly a job to be had at RG, and maybe RT, and some depth issues at C.
But changing over 3/5 of our O-line from one year to the next is no answer, IMO. Than you have to wait half a season for the cohesion and on and on.
Maybe replace RG next year, phase in a RT and/or C the next year or so, and always allow for depth.
But WR is clearly the biggest need for this offense. Think what we would be if Ford wasn’t picking up everyone else’s slack?
December 11th, 2010 at 10:09 am
J,
The Pats dominated the game, and Tom IS the Pats.
Wasn’t it already 24-3 when they lined up Woodhead and Welker in the backfield that one play?
At this stage they were just toying with them, so I agree there. But a boxer doesn’t get to toy around with his opponent and switch to lefty for a round, until he has already bloodied the mouth and established who the best in the ring is.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Mike Mayock and clowns at NFL network talk about Jags D-line and have no mention of how good our vets and young players are. NO respect! Until tomorrow. The men had better bring it tomorrow for 60 minutes!
December 11th, 2010 at 10:15 am
and Tom IS the Pats.
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Matt Cassell did just fine there, lol.
McDaniels or Bellichick?
December 11th, 2010 at 10:17 am
JFB,
Agreed, although it does come down to personnel. In my opinion Veldheer could have taken Mario’s job even sooner than he did if we didn’t have issues at center, and we haven’t seen cohesiveness issues with him.
Wide receiver is something we completely agree on. I’m still wondering why we didn’t make a run at Houshmenzadeh or somebody like him in the offseason; the lack of a dependable WR was a glaring issue last year and the fact that Ford has stepped up and become the guy tells you all you need to know about the quality of the current group. Ford’s a nice player, but we got lucky there. We didn’t really do anything deliberate to address a big weakness, and we should have.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Later Gents.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:23 am
We didn’t really do anything deliberate to address a big weakness, and we should have.
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We did issue a wonderful press-release of the greatness to come from DHB!!!!
December 11th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Glad we can agree on those things Teach.
Wasn’t trying to come out of left-field on you, but I just feel some in here just blame the O-line for anything and everything, and never change tune.
Consistancy is an issue, not just with the O-line but the whole team, but the O-line in 2010 is miles ahead of our O-line from the last few years.
They are actually dominating games at times.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Oh yeah. I forgot about that. My bad.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:28 am
I don’t blame DHB for his lack of production, and hopefully nobody else does either. He actually does contribute quite a bit; he’s a really good downfield blocker, for example. Not what you’d expect from the 7th overall pick in the draft, but as we all know he didn’t draft himself.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:32 am
DHB does everything great except catch the ball, move the chains while picking up yards, and scoring TD’s.
If we can just work on that little deal there, the greatness will come.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:35 am
One of the smarter comments I read from JMac this week is that the way the game developed determined the offense and defense play calling in the SD game.
The Raiders ability to run on SD made the passing game effective, they couldn’t or didn’t run on either Pitt and Miami because, although they took early leads, they weren’t able to run and the passing was ineffective.
Whether either Campbell or Gradkz would’ve or could have been more effective without the running attack is a moot point now. Campbell has to prove now that he is able to bring and rally the team back on his ability and effectiveness if the other defense stops the run and or the team falls behind. He now has the opportunity to show what he can do if he wants to keep this job, or wants to show the rest of the league his worth as #1 Qb.
The Raider defense remains the key to winning the rest of the games, we saw how they were able to shut down SD’s offense, Jax’s offense is not half as good, it’s still a tough running team but so was San Diego’s.
I am sure Janiko won’t choke this time and the Raiders will win a field goal shootout, 15-9.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:37 am
8 FG’s lol!!!!
Man, that would be a lot of yards and long drives. The game might end at 12:25 PST if that happens.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:47 am
but I just feel some in here just blame the QB for anything and everything, and never change tune.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:49 am
HA!!
December 11th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Draft football skills first. When drafting receivers, you narrow it down to guys that can catch the ball in traffic. That’s your first requirement. Then look at speed and agility. The smart money was Crabtree. We took DHB.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:51 am
but I just feel some in here just blame Gradkowski for anything and everything, and never change tune.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Until I see one of our former QB’s do anything substantial somewhere else, the QB deserves a good chunk of the blame.
And nobody was blaming Kerry Collins for everything. But Tui, Jamarcus, Walter and Bruce haven’t and probably won’t do anything anywhere.
Juror is still out on Campbell. I like the progression as of late, but he has yet to have a good game when we didn’t rush for 180+ yards.
I would love to see him play really well, by throwing 30 passes and carrying the offense while the run offense is stuck in 3rd gear.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:55 am
And when I say high, Norco, I mean on crack. You know it. People who do drugs as much as you always become smokers.
December 11th, 2010 at 10:59 am
Best thing about Sacramento is that it is only about an hour away from Chico.
I sold all kinds of municipal bonds from all over the country, and the only ones that ever bit me in the azz were the damn Laguna Ridge project in Elk Grove.
I will never forget or forgive for that.
December 11th, 2010 at 11:06 am
People from the bay and L.A. can bash Sacramento all they want while they’re on their way here to live.
December 11th, 2010 at 11:11 am
So, Just Fire Baby hates Sacramento because he’s a lousy business man?
December 11th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Sacramento was bad for business
December 11th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Sac is aight but I wouldnt choose to live there…..
December 11th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Cambodia is way nicer than Sac
December 11th, 2010 at 11:26 am
No, Just Fire Baby, plenty of people succeed here. You just couldn’t make it here.
December 11th, 2010 at 11:27 am
# PurpleDrank81 Says:
December 11th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Sac is aight but I wouldnt choose to live there…..
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Why not? There’s a couple of trailer parks here.
December 11th, 2010 at 11:28 am
# PurpleDrank81 Says:
December 11th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Cambodia is way nicer than Sac
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I know. No place like home. But you’re here in America so you’d might as well adapt in a developed nation.
December 11th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Until I see one of our former linemen do anything substantial somewhere else, the OL deserves a good chunk of the blame.
December 11th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Man, that would be a lot of yards and long drives. The game might end at 12:25 PST if that happens.
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I sure hope so..I’ve got family obligations and won’t be able to watch the last half hour
December 11th, 2010 at 11:43 am
Kevin Boothe won a Super Bowl didn’t he?
December 11th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Champ Bailey is an UFA this offseason.
Hmmmmm!
December 11th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Some bumb arssee ZBS coach got rid of Moster Boothe.
December 11th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Grove and Green got pay-raises on the FA market.
I know they flamed out, but our QB’s go into Real Estate and cameo’s in OTL specials after they leave here.
December 11th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Please come out to Pico Rivera if you’re in Southern California for this great event. Tons of Raider Nation Faithful will be there and so will 2 Time SB Champion Rod Martin and 3 Time SB Champion Cliff Branch. You don’t want to miss this……..
http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2010/12/angel-in-disguise.html
December 11th, 2010 at 11:57 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 11th, 2010 at 11:41 am
I didn’t live there, and your damn suburb of Elk Grove was the turd at the bottom of the toilet bowl of the CA municpal bond world.
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You’re just a failed businessman, blaming everyone but yourself. What about the people that succeeded doing business in Elk Grove? They had the edge. You didn’t.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I love how you try bashing me by thinking that I live in a Trailer Park. For 1 thing I really didnt say anything bad about Sac I just would not choose to live there because I see nothing that would make me want to live there.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Elk Grove doesn’t suck. Plenty of people have succeeded there. You’re just not one of them. But you tried.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
That sounds like the typical view of Sacramento from people who live in LA or the bay, purple. Right before they move here.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
And if you couldn’t make it in Elk Grove, i don’t what made you think you’d make it in Vegas. It’s no wonder you’re traveling around the south west selling insurance now. LOL. I’d rather be one of the people who owns a successful business in Elk Grove. And so would you.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
298.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 11th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Draft football skills first. When drafting receivers, you narrow it down to guys that can catch the ball in traffic. That’s your first requirement. Then look at speed and agility. The smart money was Crabtree. We took DHB.
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Absolutely true.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
sac a tomatoes..lol. Sacramento’s not a farm town, idiot. Never was. It’s a port town. Sacramento was an established city as early as SF was.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 11th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
I was brokering bonds and Elk Grove just happened to come across the desk.
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you got into bonds.
You failed in Elk Grove.
You’re still bitter.
You’re blaming others.
You’re a loser.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I wouldnt move to Sac just based on my Clients that I would leave here in Marin And Sonoma County
December 11th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
purple drank, that’s funny that you call your burger king customers “clients”
December 11th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
I did not fail “in” Elk Grove
Elk Grove failed. It’s that simple.
Sigh…..why am I even bothering.
Enjoy your saturday and good luck on your 60 pass attempts claim tomorrow.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Thats funny how you think ppl work at burger king and live in Trailer Parks.. Why are you so in love with them.. Childhood memories?????
December 11th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 11th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
I did not fail “in” Elk Grove
Elk Grove failed. It’s that simple.
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You got into bonds.
You failed.
You’re bitter, still, as expressed today.
You’re blaming others for YOUR failures.
That’s what losers do.
You’re a loser.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
I don’t think “people” work at burger king and live in trailer parks, purple. I think you do. Look at your name for crying out loud.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
It changed from 60 pass attempts to 70
December 11th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
My name has nothin to do with the place I work at.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 11th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Sigh…..why am I even bothering.
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Because you stuck your foot in your mouth and you’re trying to save face. It’s not rocket science.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised if we throw every down tomorrow. Al didn’t sign Jason Campbell to hand off the ball and he didn’t draft DHB to block.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
And it’s Al’s team! He always takes over. One sure sign Al’s about to take the reigns and meddle into the gameplan is when fans insist he’s “changed” and is giving the coaches “more control”. LOL. We’ve been hearing that for 7 years.
December 11th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
No more than 30 pass attempts 2morrow
December 11th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Crapamento sucks. Get over it. It’s a wannabe Bay Area city. Period.
December 11th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Mornin
December 11th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Why would Sac “want” to be the Bay Area? Tell me GM what is it?
December 11th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Actually I wouldn’t mind alot of pass attempts if we won. Especially if there were some good screens to Dmac and DHB to exploit their speed. JAX might stack the box if we start to vanilla on Offense.
December 11th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Damn, is it just me or did madden sound a little pssed or bitter?
“Which Raiders? I mean, those Raiders have been lousy every place,” Madden said. “They’ve been lousy at home. They’ve been lousy when they go down to San Diego for years and other places too. When the Raiders were good it didn’t seem to bother them.”
Maybe hes trying to fire up people or something…
December 11th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Yeah I thought Madden’s comments were strangew too.
December 11th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
New post numbnuts!!
December 11th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Yeah doesn’t sound like John madden at all
maybe he had enough just like the rest of us
nut were doing well now so still I dint understand the comments
either
December 11th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
I think he’s trying to fire up that team. I only hope it doesnt backfire.
December 11th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
The problem with playing back East is you do not get enough sleep: The night before the game in the hotel, you go to bed earlier Pacific time when you are not sleepy and cannot get to sleep and get up earlier than you would Pacific time; as a result, you do not get enough sleep on the night before the day of the game. Cable having his team practice at an earlier hour on the West Coast may not help, but having his team get up earlier West Coast time, which he also did, will help. That’s my opinion based upon my experience as a traveler.
March 11th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
mickey mouse club…
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