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Defense, special teams let Jags off the hook

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News, notes and observations after the Raiders fall to Jacksonville 38-31 and put their AFC West title hopes in serious jeopardy:

— Yes, there were a few play calls and offensive sequences that were peculiar.

Bottom line, however, the Raiders put up 31 points, 476 yards and did something that had been harped on in this space for weeks. They got things done in the passing game in an offensive game of real balance, rather than putting up passing numbers during what was basically an avalanche of rushing yards.

They scored 31, but they gave up 31. In one half of football.

Coach Tom Cable played with the schedule this week to get the Raiders off to a good start. Not sure what he could have done to get them to finish.

A couple of things:

Any defense that wants to ascend to elite status does not give up 31 points in a half.

Ever.

And yes, the defense wasn’t entirely at fault for the second half collapse given Jacoby Ford’s fumbled kickoff return (heck of a play by Kasim Osgood) and a 65-yard kickoff return to Deji Karim.

“I don’t even know where the guy came from,” Ford said. “I just hit the hole and the ball just kind of came out. I’m probably not going to let that one go for awhile because that was a big momentum swing in the game . . . that’s hard to swallow and it’s on me.”

If you’re an elite defense, you hold the Jaguars to field goals in those instances.

“Just too many big plays defensively,” Cable told reporters after the game. “We gave up too many to get some offensively. And I thought the turnover on the kickoff return was big. So those two things were really the difference in the game. We played our tails off, just too many big plays.”

In all, three of Jacksonville’s scoring plays totaled 152 yards _ a 74-yard run by Rashad Jennings, a 48-yard pass from David Garrard to 49ers castoff Jason HIll and a game-clinching 30-yard TD run to Maurice Jones-Drew.

Although the Jaguars put both backs over 100 yards, Jones-Drew didn’t break free until the fourth quarter and most of Jennings’ damage was confined to the one run.

“We didn’t play the game we needed to play,” cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha said. “We knew they could run the ball better than just about any team in the league, and that was our goal, to stop that, and those big plays are what hurt us. We could have played much better. The offense kept us in the game.”

— The season is starting to take on a 1999 look. Oakland, 6-7, is still in the division race, and finishes with Kansas City, a 31-0 loser to San Diego without quarterback Matt Cassel, out following an appedectomy. The Chiefs play at St. Louis and host Tennessee before playing the Raiders. Cassel could return to face the Rams, but there are no guarantees.

San Diego, a game back of Kansas City at 7-6, hosts the 49ers Thursday night and has has road games at Cincinnati and Denver to finish the season. Three foes with a combined record of 11-29.

In 1999, the Raiders bounced the Chiefs from an AFC West title at Arrowhead Stadium with a 41-38 win in overtime, giving the title to Seattle at 9-7. It isn’t hard to envision the Raiders doing the same thing for San Diego this year.

— With Asomugha having no passes in his direction, it was a rough day for Michael Huff, who was enjoying seeing his role expand of late, mixing play as a corner and a blitzer in with his primary job as a single deep safety. Huff was beaten on Garrard’s 48-yard scoring pass to Hill (on second-and-18, no less) and later was the defender when Garrard hit Mike Sims-Walker with the score that put Jacksonville up 28-24 with 3:44 to play.

“I felt that was the worst third quarter of my career,” Huff said. “I shouldn’t have given up those two touchdowns.”

The pass to Sims-Walker looked as if he might not have gotten both feet in bounds (chances are it would have been inconclusive and still been a touchdown) but Cable had already used his second challenge hoping Rashad Jennings had stepped out of bounds on his 74-yard scoring run.

“Ah, I don’t know,” Huff said. “I still should have made the play.”

— About Jones-Drew’s scoring run . . . of course he goes in and scores the touchdown. Maybe he he stops at the 1-yard line if Jacksonville is up by a score, but not when it’s tied.

Can’t you just see it? Jones-Drew stops at the 1, then the Jaguars have a false start, a sack-fumble, or some other horrific play, and they don’t score at all. In a tie game, if there’s a touchdown to be made, you take it.

— OK, here’s where it got weird for offensive coordinator Hue Jackson (other than Ford’s first-quarter Wildcat snap which lost two yards on third-and-3 from the 6-yard line and forced the Raiders to settle for a 26-yard Sebastian Janikowski field goal).

Campbell is out of the game with a stinger, a play in which the Raiders were fortunate that a Terrance Knighton touchdown was nullified on a helmet-to-helmet personal foul on William Middleton.

So Kyle Boller comes in and immediately completes a lucky 20-yard pass to Zach Miller, throwing out of a well under pressure between three defenders. Darren McFadden is stopped for no gain and Boller scrambles for seven yards to the 31, bringing up third-and-3.

Boller throws incomplete to Murphy, then has a second pass intended for Murphy intercepted by Dan Carey. They need to get three yards to the 28 to keep a drive alive, and neither play includes McFadden.

Cable’s thoughts?

“I don’t know,” he said. “That is not for me to decide right now.”

— Brilliant day by McFadden, with touchdown runs of 57 and 36 yards and a 67-yard touchdown reception (nice block by Murphy on that play). He rushed 16 times for 123 yards and caught three passes for 86 more.

McFadden has gained 993 yards this season, should break 1,000 next week against Denver and health permitting, could wind up as the second-best single-season rusher in Raiders history, behind only Marcus Allen’s 1,759 yards in 1985. He’d need 302 yards in his last three games to pass Napoleon Kaufman for second (1,294 yards in 1997). Mark van Eeghen is third with 1,273 yards in 1977.

And McFadden missed two games with a hamstring strain.

— Welcome back Zach Miller. The Raiders tight end had caught just four passes in his last three games, but had four catches for 68 yards against Jacksonville. Likewise Darrius Heyward-Bey, who had two catches for 40 yards, his first since Oct. 31.

Heyward-Bey also let a deep sideline pass go through his hands while under tight coverage _ not a drop, really, but the kind of play a top-tier receiver makes.

“We’re capable of making plays and we showed that today,” Heyward-Bey said. “We’re also out there, blocking, helping Darren when he gets to the second level. We’re blocking DBs so he can get to the end zone. We’re just doing our job.”

— Rolando McClain was inactive with tendinitis that apparently worsened either as a result of playing last week against San Diego. Meanwhile, Kirk Morrison, the man moved aside for McClain, finds his team in first place in the AFC South at 7-5.

Predictably, Morrison wasn’t crowing about it.

“I told you, it wasn’t about playing those boys, it really wasn’t,” Morrison said. “A couple of guys were chirping a little, John (Henderson). You don’t need that. It’s all about coming out there and let’s prove it on the field. We come away with a victory and we’re still on pace to do what we’ve got ot do, win this division.

“Everybody tried all week long to get something out of me, and you’re not going to get it because I’m playing meaningful December football.”

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Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • alex7

    Bcz, we have 8 years of Gruden/Gannon-less history to back us up now.

    With that schedule next year, unless Al Davis does something major that he has…NEVER done (pay for top coaches), or brings in a smart QB (not a big arm 40% career winner that was sold for a 4th rounder), there is very little hope for next year.

    If you want to argue that with some reasons why we can beat the Packers, Vikings, Patriots, and Jets next season, add to the blog.

  • kokomo

    Eagles/Vikings will the SNF game on Dec 26. So those who were hoping for Colts/Raiders as a SNF game will be disappointed. I think had we won yesterday, we could have gotten this SNF game.

  • Norco, again, because you’re obviously a little slow…Brien described everything I saw before I did! How could he have guessed every single thing? You’re trying to toy with me right now. Badly, at that. But Brien couldn’t have been toying. He described what I saw before I described it. Try to get someone in your house who isn’t in the middle of a crack binge to explain it to you.

  • mistic1

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    Mistic, why can’t you just tell us any play where Campbell picked up a blitz? Surely you know of plenty. Surely a QB who’s better than Rich Gannon can pick up a blitz and read hot routes.
    ===========================================================

    RMR,

    More incoherent ranting? A better question is how can you tell t weather or not a qb is picking up the blitz or not.

    or what any of this has to do with anything i have said today.

  • 905.bcz24 Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:15 am
    If this happens, then this might happen etc. Of course we can’t know what WILL happen, but we certainly can express our views on the direction of the team going into the next year and speculate how changes, or non-changes might affect the team and that direction. That is simply being a fanatic!
    *************
    This guy just said he would bet that we will lose EVERY non-divisional game next year. 2 of those games cant even be scheduled until after the season (we will play 2 teams that finish in the same position in their division as we did in ours) So how am I wrong? How can you predict the Raiders will lose a game when you dont even know who the opponent is and call yourself a Raiders fan?
    +++++++++++

    Not trying to speak for him, but I guess it looks to me like he is simply trying to guestimate what might happen next year based on what the team is doing this year in order to ring alarm bells to say that the team can’t rest on its laurels for beating up some bad AFC West and NFC West teams this season and hoping for the same next season. Big changes need to be made if we should expect to compete with next years opponents, who at this point, look much more formidable than the NFC West patsies we got to play this year.

    I can’t say there is anything wrong with that.

  • Norco, try and understand, I wasn’t describing what I saw to Brien, only for him to agree and say it was him. I just said I saw a car load of black guys trash talking. He took it from there. Described the car, what he was wearing, and who he was with. I hadn’t said a word. I saw Brien, he’s a drunk idiot. Not a cool guy. He was basically like a bum pan handling. Everyone just looked at each other and shook their heads when he finally shut up and left. He’s a clown. Not some cool guy. And it’s probably the same with you.

  • alex7

    I asked for odds on us losing all those games.

    There is about a 90% chance that we finish in 3rd place this year. We can figure out who those teams are for next season.

    Just Fire is right. We had a cakewalk schedule this year, but lost to the 49ers, Cardinals, and Texans.

    It’s a little funny.
    The 49ers are replaced by the Patriots next year.
    The Cards by the Packers.
    The Texans by the Jets.

    Ouch.

    JC in each of those games will likely play the way he did against good D’s this year (Titans/Steelers/49ers)

  • The Big Banana

    Mistic – Not at all. I’m well beyond that. Just like you’ve stated in here today about your own comments, that was purely opinion based on what I had seen to that point. Grads had shown more ability to go through his reads and pull the trigger. Heck, even the coaches, including your boy HuJak, agreed with me since Grads was inserted as starter as soon as he was healthy. JC has improved his play since then. Does that make him a great QB? Nope. Right now, he’s the best of the garbage heap.

    Today’s comments were purely based on your laughable claims about Troy Smith. That’s all. But you can pretend it to be whatever you want. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, homie.

  • Mistic,

    Can Campbell pick up the blitz?

  • bcz24

    If you want to argue that with some reasons why we can beat the Packers, Vikings, Patriots, and Jets next season, add to the blog.
    ********
    I cant. Because I dont know the circumstances. I dont know if we will be home or away. I dont know who we will add/subtract from our roster. I dont know who our coach will be. I dont know any of that info for those teams either. I dont make prediction about games I know nothing about.

    Listen dude. I am not one of the blog idiots that says stupid crap just to say it. Look no further than the argument that is going on right now about who was or wasnt at the SF game… but come on. You are making some pretty solid assumptions. The jets? They havent scored a TD in 9 quarters. Their leading rusher hasnt had a TD in 6 weeks. They have 3 OT wins, that their opponent did more to lose than they did to win. Yet you assume they will destroy us? The Vikings? What have they done this year to make you think they will be any good next year? The Lions? The Bills?

  • alex7

    Dakota is spot on.

    What a loser organization does is look at this year and consider it a success based on a one-game improvement over last year and a better offense.

    What a top organization does is look at this year and realize that we:

    1) We were REALLY bad against the only elite team we played (Steelers)

    2) We still can’t win on the Central or East Coast (Tennessee/Pittsburgh/Jacksonville)

    3) Our QB had some AWFUL games against top Ds (Pittsburgh, Tenn., SF) and lacks that winning killer instinct.

    4) We will likely finish 7-9 with a cupcake schedule.

    5) Our highlight was winning three games in a row vs 2 awful teams and one decent one.

    That top organization will bring in a new QB, new HC, new WR, and not think that we’re “on our way”.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Troy Smith was another of the “wave of the future” guys from Mistic1.

    From what I can tell they are all athletic black QB’s (even though I am pretty sure Alex Smith is more athletic than Troy Smith), maybe we can add Jake Locker who runs a 4.3 forty to the mix eh Mistic?

  • He couldn’t have made it up, crackhead. There were 60,000 people there, and he described the few people I was talking about, down to the last detail. Brien is a clown. Ever ate at a restaurant and sat on the patio or on the sidewalk, and some bum just starts putting on a stupid little show as some creative form of pan handling? That was Brien at the game. That’s your buddy. And, it’s probably you, too.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I hope next years Bills game is in Buffalo around mid-November.

    The wife is already sold on that being our travel game next year. Cool area, and can I sprinkle in Cooperstown hopefullly.

    Otherwise I might get roped into a Minny game due to the Mall of America.

  • alex7

    We are home against the Patriots and Jets. On the road against the Packers and Vikings. Not sure why that matters. Patriots and Jets blew us out last two years in Oakland.

  • bcz24

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:30 am
    I hope next years Bills game is in Buffalo around mid-November.
    ************
    Ill see ya there!

  • Hue v. Cable

    I also question some of Hue Jackson’s decision making, but I know this much….even if he isn’t perfect he is a hell of a lot better than having the Wife Beating Buffoon calling plays.

    Hue needs to quit putting Bush in during almost every red zone trip….he is not Zack Crockett. Bush is big, but he doesn’t always run like it. McFadden needs more red zone carries. He has a nose for the end zone.

    Also, Hue went away from the screen passes to McFadden yesterday. Why? I just don’t understand it. maybe my next comment explains it, but I just didn’t see the pass rush as being that great by Jacksonville yesterday.

    However, under Cable McFadden would have had even half the opportunities he has had this year. Also, if Cable’s o-line, his specialty, played better, Hue would have a better shot at making the offense even more explosive. And Bush and McFadden wouldn’t have to be used in pass protection so often.

    If we have to choose, I say go with Hue. There has been drastic improvement under Hue this year.

  • Norco, here’s the deal. You’re whole thing in here is to convince everyone you have a cool social life, cool friends, etc. I have seen one of your friends, one you’re always talking up, in person, and he is about one notch above street pan handler. I mean he’s a total ass, and nobody thought he was cool. So, that’s one buddy of yours who I know is not as cool as you make him sound. One down. We’ll see how many more of your friends, or perhaps even you, are not as cool as you described.

  • alex7

    The Jets have lost to the Ravens (by a point), the Patriots (who they also beat), the Dolphins (who they also beat), and the Packers (who they gave up 9 points to).

    That is pretty dang awesome.

    We lose to the 0-5 49ers, and the Cardinals.

    It’s just night and day between teams like those that are on our schedule next year, and us.

  • SnoopDogg

    Ok you bunch of drama queens. Anybody blaming this loss on Campbell ineeds to take a big slap in the face from reality. Campbell did more than his share to get us a win in jacksonville. Our defense messed up and that loss is on them. I swear some of u Campbell haters sound like you should be watching soap operas and not football. I know he’s not the best person for the job but he played very well yesterday. Some of you sound like he’s your ex boyfriend and you can’t stand to see him get a better looking girl.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I would say there is also drastic improvement under Cable this year as well.

    Remember 7 straight years of losing 10+ games is about to come to an end this weekend. That speaks volumes, to me, about the job Tommy is doing.

    Hue is benefitting from an average veteran QB that we haven’t had since Collins, a pretty good D and a kick return game that has helped a lot, and an elite RB breaking 4 tackles and housing 40 yard runs.

  • Norco, I’m sure a lot of bums could beat me in a fight. They’re still bums. bottom line, you talk about Brien like he is the perfect party wingman,like he’s some kind of cool guy. All I saw was a has been wannabe gangster trying too hard to be funny. He looked like he lives off the street. You tried to say he’s a colleg guy, party animal…lol. He’s a drunk old Raider fan from Oakland, trying to be the thug he never could be around football fans. Nothing more.

  • RaiderDebo

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:11 am
    Man watching that Gannon comeback was great!!! Couple of quick points:

    -7 drops by the Raiders in the game, and two awful one’s on the drive. No biggie for Rich

    -Not the greatest pass proctection on the drive. Elluded Brian Cox on one play, and than two guys on the last TD pass. Again no big deal for Rich

    -It was against Bill Parcells!!!!

    -Announcer talking about in the two minute drill when there is a huddle, the coach calls the plays, when there is no huddle it is on the QB. So when Murphy got tackled and we wasted 20+ seconds to get 4 yards, than was the braintrust of Campbell.

    Man Rich just pissed excellence didn’t he?? And can you believe it was 11 years ago?

    I think I want to cry now.
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    A great drive indeed. But Mistic made a great point earlier. Not all comeback attempts are successful. I remember three final drives by Gannon that were unsuccessful: against the Dolphins when he threw an interception to Patrick Surtain to end the game, against the Steelers, the game where we were aided by a pick-6 by Anthony Dorsett, and finally the one that hurt the worst, against the Broncos. On that drive, a TD pass to Rice was nullified by a tripping penaly against Robbins. Very questionable call. Gannon got us close, but he ran out of time. We win that game and we get home field throughout the playoffs. That loss cost us the bye and put us in NE for the divisional round. We know how that turned out. What happened to Campbell yesterday happens to the best this league has to offer.

  • McRaider5150

    WOW!!!
    Our defense loses us a game by allowing 38 pts, but we still manager to blame it all on Jason Campbell. he completed over 70% of his passes, zero turnover, and 127 passer rating.

    Whether or not JC is a great QB is the question. He is the bast QB since Gannon and he will only get better next year in the SAME system.

  • bcz24

    If we have to choose, I say go with Hue. There has been drastic improvement under Hue this year.
    *****
    Hue has very nearly TRIPLED our offensive production this year. That is pretty impressive.

  • mistic1

    # Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Troy Smith was another of the “wave of the future” guys from Mistic1.

    From what I can tell they are all athletic black QB’s (even though I am pretty sure Alex Smith is more athletic than Troy Smith), maybe we can add Jake Locker who runs a 4.3 forty to the mix eh Mistic?
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    This is pathetic.

    I will say it again. i like athletic qbs, and it seems that is where the game is headed.

    race is not a factor.

  • mistic1

    # Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Troy Smith was another of the “wave of the future” guys from Mistic1.

    From what I can tell they are all athletic black QB’s (even though I am pretty sure Alex Smith is more athletic than Troy Smith), maybe we can add Jake Locker who runs a 4.3 forty to the mix eh Mistic?
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    Wave of the future guys??

  • I’m sure Brien could beat me up, Norco. I saw him. He’s a big guy. I’ll give him that. But he’s still a loser. Fighting isn’t everything. Brien is a loser, and winning a fight isn’t going to change that. I don’t mess with racoons in trash cans. They’re ferocious. But they’re still raccoons. You just ignore them and go on with your life. That’s how I deal with drunk losers like Brien. I saw him, I know he’s not nearly as cool as you say he is.

  • alex7

    Hue has improved the O more than any coach has improved any unit in the last 8 years.

    Have to keep him around as OC or HC.

    I don’t think any current openings will be going to Jackson next year.

    Dallas will keep Garrett. Vikings will keep Frazier. Bills will keep Gailey for at least another year.

    Openings may be Denver, Carolina, Houston, and maybe SF.

    Cowher, Gruden, Holmgren, and Marty Schottenheimer will all be ahead of Hue Jackson if they want to coach.

    John Fox in Carolina will be ahead of HJ based on playoff trips. The typical number of assistants from playoff teams will also be ahead of HJ.

  • alex7

    Norco is talking illegal jail stuff now.

  • Not the first time someone in here threatened to get my ip address and look me up in person, Norco. I’m not even going to contact the authorities….because I don’t want to waste their time.

  • 934.RaiderDebo Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:39 am
    A great drive indeed. But Mistic made a great point earlier. Not all comeback attempts are successful. I remember three final drives by Gannon that were unsuccessful: against the Dolphins when he threw an interception to Patrick Surtain to end the game, against the Steelers, the game where we were aided by a pick-6 by Anthony Dorsett, and finally the one that hurt the worst, against the Broncos. On that drive, a TD pass to Rice was nullified by a tripping penaly against Robbins. Very questionable call. Gannon got us close, but he ran out of time. We win that game and we get home field throughout the playoffs. That loss cost us the bye and put us in NE for the divisional round. We know how that turned out. What happened to Campbell yesterday happens to the best this league has to offer.

    +++++++++++

    Can’t win them all, but, if they were both the same age, which of those two QBs would you rather see take the field with 1:50 remaining and the Raiders down by 6?

    Which of those two QBs would you rather see start a playoff game?

    Which of those two QBs is going to command the respect of his teammates?

    Which of those two QBs is going to be like another coach on the field?

    Gannon, Gannon, Gannon, Gannon, Gannon, Gannon all day every day over Campbell.

    The only sport Campbell is better, or ever will be better than Gannon: basketball, but only because he is taller lol.

  • J Hill

    Man Rich just pissed excellence didn’t he?? And can you believe it was 11 years ago?

    I think I want to cry now.

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    The underthrow to Jett is classic Rich Gannon.

    Tim Brown did all the work on that drive, lol. Damn I wish we had a bomb WR like Tim Brown, and DHB had developed into James Jett.

    4 WR sets?!?!?!?

    Damn I miss Chuckie!

  • I don’t want to meet you. I saw your loser friend Brien and that’s enough of your loser crew of buddies I need to see.

  • alex7

    Mistic, do you differentiate between pocket-passers that can move around a bit, and option/scrambling QBs?

    Or would you lump them both into the athletic QB pile?

    I think the NFL will always be a passer first/move second league.

    Guys like Kordell Stewart, Dennis Dixon, Vince Young, and Pat White (true top athletes as far as running ability) will always come second to pocket passers because they can’t stay healthy or because they can’t throw the ball successfully 30 times in a game when the opponents take away the running lanes.

    I don’t see Cam Newton doing very well in the NFL.

  • Norco Bob

    You guys have a great day,..Im heading to Ice House…back to nature…get high, have a few Hot Toddys…ciao.

  • I don’t care how big and tough you are, bob. If you’re anything like Brien, I already know you’re not even worth my time.

  • elboocho

    Thec07 Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 9:41 am
    Having MBUSH is a luxury as we have 2 backs that can tote the rock…
    MBUSH will be a FA next year, he will walk…

    ____________________________________________________
    Nope, we will franchise him and use him as trade bait

  • alex7

    What happened to Campbell yesterday has happened to him throughout his career though. That’s the issue.

  • If we franchise Michael Bush and then try and trade him we will be the laughingstock of the NFL.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I will say it again. i like athletic qbs, and it seems that is where the game is headed.

    race is not a factor.

    **********************************

    I will believe it once you prop up a white athletic QB.

    All it has been is Troy Smith, David Garrard, Mike Vick, Cam Newton, Robert Griffith III, the Oregon QB and that bum from Texas A & M.

    Other than Vick, Garrard and possibly Newton, the only other thing they all have in common besides being black is that they stink at QB.

    Jake Locker is the best QB athlete in the draft. Runs a faster forty than Vick. Crickets from you. Why? Alex Smith is more of an athlete than Troy is, nothing from you. Hell Kapernick is half white, and you bypass him as well.

    Tell me how I am off.

  • alex7

    Franchise Bush? Are you being serious? That would cost $8.2 million a year. For a backup RB? Come on.

  • J Hill

    The Big Banana Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    JFB – Gannon was masterful.

    ——————————————————

    Throwing a 3 yd pass to Tim Brown turns it into a big gain is the QB being masterful?

    A 10 yd pass that Brown takes to 30 yds to the 5 is Gannon being the man?

    CHUCKIE was the genius behind that offense.

  • 961.J Hill Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:53 am
    The Big Banana Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    JFB – Gannon was masterful.

    ——————————————————

    Throwing a 3 yd pass to Tim Brown turns it into a big gain is the QB being masterful?

    A 10 yd pass that Brown takes to 30 yds to the 5 is Gannon being the man?

    CHUCKIE was the genius behind that offense.
    +++++++++

    Oh no, I didn’t know Jhill was one of the “Tui” guys lol

  • mistic1

    # alex7 Says:
    December 13th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Mistic, do you differentiate between pocket-passers that can move around a bit, and option/scrambling QBs?

    Or would you lump them both into the athletic QB pile?

    I think the NFL will always be a passer first/move second league.

    Guys like Kordell Stewart, Dennis Dixon, Vince Young, and Pat White (true top athletes as far as running ability) will always come second to pocket passers because they can’t stay healthy or because they can’t throw the ball successfully 30 times in a game when the opponents take away the running lanes.

    I don’t see Cam Newton doing very well in the NFL.
    ==========================================================

    i like guys that are mobile. Young, Elway, montana, plunkett, moon, and so on.

    vick and newton are in a class all by themselves, i love these two.

    however if you want to know my opinion on mobile qb it would have to be don on a case by case basis.

    painting with a broad stroke is a slippery slope.

  • I’ve been trying to get Mistic to name one play where Campbell picked up a blitz and hit a hot route, he never did. Maybe he’s searching youtube, I don’t know. I’ve never seen Campbell do it. Mistic also said that the reason we have McFadden block so much is because our line sucks. That’s funny, because we actually had McFadden running various routes yesterday until Campbell started getting eaten up by the blitz. Then suddenly, McFadden’s staying in the backfield and blocking. We know why Mcfadden’s blocking, Mistic. Jax realized that Campbell was useless against the blitz, so they started dialing it up every down.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Tim Brown did all the work on that drive, lol.

    ******************************

    What?????

    Did you not see the last play? Two dudes on him, and makes a game-winning throw to James Jett (sweet dance from James in the end zone, lol).

    How about Ray Mickens making a clutch catch?

  • J Hill

    If you want to argue that with some reasons why we can beat the Packers, Vikings, Patriots, and Jets next season,

    ——————————————————

    The Jets and the Vikings we can certainly handle talent wise. Sanchez and Jackson don’t impress me.

    Going to all come down to the chess game, so who the HC and staff are for us will play that out.

  • alex7

    I just want the QB to know how to pass the ball and read a defense.

    Brady, Manning, Rivers = non-mobile.
    Your list of guys were very good at passing and also more mobile.

    But the ability to pass separates top-QBs from everyone else, regardless of mobility.

    Or is mobile the same as pocket-awareness? Can’t imagine Plunkett or Montana scrambling much.

  • alex7

    JHill,

    why didn’t we handle the Jets talent-wise last year when they didn’t have Holmes or LT, and Sanchez was a rookie?

    Again, the Jets have split with the Patriots (impressive), split with the Dolphins (not bad), and lost to the Packers and Ravens (not bad) giving up 9 points to the impressive Packers offense.

    That’s legit. Don’t let a few bad quarters recently against good teams change anything.