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Raiders live chat here on Tuesday at noon

By Jon Becker
Monday, December 13th, 2010 at 6:00 pm in Live chats, Oakland Raiders.

Jerry McDonald breaks down the Raiders’ disappointing loss Sunday and looks ahead to this week’s game against Denver in our Raiders live chat on Tuesday at noon PST.

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  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    # alex7 Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Giants had Kurt Warner, and went for Eli Manning.

    That’s called not settling.

    Chargers had Drew Brees and drafted Philip Rivers due to Brees possible injury.

    That’s called not settling.

    Packers/Favre/Rodgers draft. Again, you keep rolling the dice on QBs. That’s not a position you ever stop trying to score big with when your starter is either old, not that good, injury-prone, whatever.

    Just hope we keep trying to find one either in the draft or free agency and we don’t settle for sending JC to the wolves against the NFC North next year.
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    great post

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Alex7 Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    Gannon hadn’t started even 4 years worth of games yet.
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    Bull…..Gannon was probably in the NFL 10 years before he came here.

  • alex7

    Actually, as the Redskins demonstrated that they had a better record, more points, and more victories against good teams when

    Campbell DID NOT start

    during his career in Washington, you can’t even compliment his stats very much.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Traded for a 4th rounder during his prime years.

    Why? Nice stats, can’t win enough, wilts in pressure, too passive to overcome pressure.
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    He’s won here, though.

  • alex7

    KK, you honestly don’t understand the difference between starting and being in the NFL?

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Alex7 Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    KK, you honestly don’t understand the difference between starting and being in the NFL?
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    You honestly don’t understand the value of being in the NFL 10 years vs 6?

  • YoungAmerican

    New England picks a QB in the late rounds every single year…

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    Campbell is a better QB than Donavan McNabb.

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    Alex7

    well you said if one is over 30 years they cant suddenly win…

  • alex7

    wow, we’re singing the praise of a 5-4 record against a cupcake schedule in which our RBs ran for 200 yds + almost each of those.

    Last comment.

    The Jason Campbell that we saw against the Titans, 49ers, Steelers (top 3 pressure/blitzing defenses we saw all year),

    is the SAME Campbell that we’ll see against the NFC North next year.

    is the SAME Campbell that was traded for a mid-round pick in his prime because he’d shown his previous boss an inability to win.

    You don’t get a 40% winning record after 7 years in the NFL if you “have it”.

    I can’t think of a single QB that has lost that much for that long and then turned it around.

    He’s like a worse rendition of Jeff George.

  • alex7

    Yes AB Paine,

    by every imaginable method of qualifying QBs,

    be it wins, playoff appearances, Super Bowl appearances, yards, Campbell is better than McNabb.

    Wow.

    You guys keep wishing on that 40% 7-year track record.

    NO ONE loses that long if they have it.

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    Alex7

    Jason Campbell has 52 starts, and Gannon had 58 starts before arriving in Oakland..

    and JC is 3 years younger, well you say a player over 30 cant change?

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Alex7 Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    wow, we’re singing the praise of a 5-4 record against a cupcake schedule in which our RBs ran for 200 yds + almost each of those.
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    Yeah, against a 31-83 record over the last 7 years with 7 of those retread QB’s you’re looking at for next year.

  • alex7

    Gannon had a winning record in those 58 starts.

    Next question.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Maybe the Minn teams were better than the Redskin teams.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Gannon wasn’t setting the NFL on fire before he came here.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GannRi00.htm

  • alex7

    They were! Because…they…had a better QB.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Alex7 Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    They were! Because…they…had a better QB.
    —————————–
    You don’t know that.

  • alex7

    KK

    One guy wasn’t setting the world on fire, but won games, and made the playoffs.

    The other guy wasn’t setting the world on fire, and couldn’t put together a winning record in any of his years as a starter.

    So why do we assume option two will turn out good? Honestly, like what legit reason will he suddenly start becoming a winner?

  • YoungAmerican

    The reality is that Jason Campbell will have at least another season with the Raiders, and he’ll most likely be a starter for most of those games.

    I’m hoping the Raiders find a young QB they like in the middle rounds of the draft, and let him sit behind Campbell and learn the game. That’s probably as much as Raider fans could hope for as far as the QB situation goes.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Alex7 Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    KK, regardless of what you think Campbell would have been called, it doesn’t change the FACT that his passive attitude is part of his losing record DNA.
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    You don’t know that either.

  • alex7

    Sorry KK, you can’t have it both ways.

    Either we credit a QB with wins and losses, or we don’t.

    You can’t discredit Gannon’s winning percentage before arriving here…

    and then credit Campbell for his illustrious 5-4 record this year while ignoring his lifetime 40% record.

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    Donavan McNabb 58% 14 TD 15 INT 77.7 rating 7.2 yrd avg

    Jason Campbell 57% 10 TD 6 INT 84.4 rating 7.5 yrd avg
    ———————–
    Jason Campbell is the better QB

  • alex7

    YoungAmerican,

    agreed. Yet I think the only way we do draft a mid-round QB is if Hue Jackson is the head coach. He can afford to think long term and explain to Davis what a limitation JC is against pressure defenses (though Davis I’m sure saw it as well this year.)

  • alex7

    AB, we’re talking about this year? Who’s talking about McNabb? Why bring him into this?

    He’s kinda really old.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Waste of time convo, really.

    Campbell’s the first QB we’ve had in years to have a winning record with the Raiders.

    He’s played well, after a poor start.

    He may not be the second coming, but 8-8, I’ll accept that in his first year here.

    Gannon went 8-8 his first year here too.

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    At this point in his career, Jason Campbell is a better QB than Jim Plunkett was. Whose to say he can’t win a Super Bowl with the Raiders.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Jason Campbell went 4-12 last year with the Skins.

    Even with the Haynesworth ordeal, being down to their 5th string RB, and having their defense go from top 10 to near dead last, they have still managed to improve on their record from last year.

    And the Redskins made the playoffs twice in the 5 years Jason was there. His rookie year he didn’t play, and his 3rd year when he got hurt and the team won the last 4 games of the year to backdoor into the playoffs.

    Not all of this isn’t Campbell’s fault obviously. But as Bill Parcells always said, you are what your record is.

    Jason Campbell’s career winning % is under 40% and this past weekend he was at his worst with the game near it’s end.

    That’s his MO.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    If Bruce Gradkowski, had Campbell’s productivity this year, he be worshiped like Jeezus Khrist.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    JFB

    You’ll say anything to rub up against Bruce Gradkowski.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Campbell carried those Redskin teams on his back. Look at his “AV” stats.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm

  • RaidingTexas

    Just to keep the Brucetards honest:

    Gradkowski is 6-14 career as a starter. That’s a 30% winning percentage.

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    JFB, the Redskins improved because of Shanahan, not because they got rid of Campbell. Their record would probably be even better if they had kept him.

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    # alex7 Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Gannon had a winning record in those 58 starts.

    Next question.
    _________________________________________________________

    well i guess its how they record starts… according to >>> nfl.com/players/richgannon/gamelogs?id=GAN296635

    Gannon had 45 proper starts and not 58 as I said before..

    he lost 19 and won 26.. btw you say JC is 26-39 as of now.. so how is the percentage looking now?

  • Just Fire Baby

    Nobody wants Gradkowski to start anymore, at least I don’t. That ship has sailed.

    Now we are focusing on why we have a top 10 defense, a top 3 RB and have a losing record with a cupcake schedule.

    Some say coaching, some say youth, some say QB, some say DHB. Many reasons are contributing, but we need a talented QB to come here who knows how to win and can lead.

    Jason Campbell meets neither of the criteria. Great stats in a loss, that’s what he does.

  • Just Fire Baby

    A.B. Paine III Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
    JFB, the Redskins improved because of Shanahan, not because they got rid of Campbell. Their record would probably be even better if they had kept him.

    ********************************

    LOL!!!

    So on one hand they are better because of the coach, but on the other hand they would be better if said coach didn’t choose his QB?

    How about we stick to the facts. They are better.

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    # alex7 Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    AB, we’re talking about this year? Who’s talking about McNabb? Why bring him into this?

    He’s kinda really old.
    ________________________________________________________

    again, Im not defending McNabb, but you really foot in mouth… he is exactly as old as Gannon was when he arrived in Oakland…

    your assumption that old=bad is just not valid, look at Warners last year..

  • GoodOle00

    “In fact, he’d shown an ability in KC to MAKE PLAYS and win games. There’s a reason a smart coach like Gruden wanted him.”

    ===============

    Grunden wanted Gannon to COACH THE OFFENSE cuz Chucky couldn’t.

    He did the ole George Allen and is the reason for starting our 7 year skid. Mortgaged the future with a bunch of vets and darn near pulled it off.

    We wuz robbed by the Pats and took one for America so Neo Cons could have thier Super Bowl triumph.

    Bottom line, Gannon was great because he was an old vet with a great O line (b4 Terry Kirby humped Barret Robbins wife) and two HOF WRs to throw to. Rice and Brown.

    Who have our Qbs had to throw to since?

    Curry, Porter, Bey, Schilens, Ashlie Lelie?

  • Just Fire Baby

    KoolKell Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
    JFB

    You’ll say anything to rub up against Bruce Gradkowski.

    *************************************

    And you will say anything to subtly call those that disagree with you as hood-wearing, racists.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Some say coaching, some say youth, some say QB, some say DHB. Many reasons are contributing, but we need a talented QB to come here who knows how to win and can lead.

    Jason Campbell meets neither of the criteria. Great stats in a loss, that’s what he does.
    ————————————–
    Have you forgotten the last 7 years?

    Gannon had a 8-8 his first year here and his 2nd year here.

  • http://raiders.com A.B. Paine III

    JFB, Shanahan chose the wrong QB. He is about to bench McNabb for Grossman.

  • GoodOle00

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    # alex7 Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    AB, we’re talking about this year? Who’s talking about McNabb? Why bring him into this?

    He’s kinda really old.
    ________________________________________________________

    again, Im not defending McNabb, but you really foot in mouth… he is exactly as old as Gannon was when he arrived in Oakland…

    your assumption that old=bad is just not valid, look at Warners last year..

    ======================

    Look at Favre’s..

  • GoodOle00

    440. Amen. KK’s been baiting for an hour now. Give it a rest honky.

  • Just Fire Baby

    RaidingTexas Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
    Was that a top 10 defensive performance you saw out there Sunday? It sure as fk didn’t look like it to me. Get real, man.

    ************************************

    No it sure wasn’t.

    But how about during the three game winning streak. Screw top 10, we were a top 3 defense at that time.

    Fact remains, we lead the NFL in sacks and are a top 10 defense, one Sunday be damned.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    JFB

    If Bruce Gradkowski, had Campbell’s productivity this year, he be worshiped like Jeezus Khrist, by YOU!

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    JFB

    Not whining about being benched?

    Campbell would have been called every big-mouthed derogatory euphemistic name for a black man as imaginable by the tards on this board.

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    # RaidingTexas Says:
    December 14th, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Just to keep the Brucetards honest:

    Gradkowski is 6-14 career as a starter. That’s a 30% winning percentage.
    _________________________________________________________

    how do you get 30%, Em very interested in your method!?

  • Just Fire Baby

    I don’t worship Jeezus so I don’t know what that would be like.

    But if Bruce would have started every game this year, with McFadden and Jacoby playing like this, and we were 6-7 still……….I would have bailed on him as well.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Just like Darren McFadden.

  • Just Fire Baby

    With that all being said, I think I am going to start Jason Campbell on FF team this week, lol.

    Him, Cutler or Garrard. Thinking he can do what he does and put up some nice stats against a crappy team, in a near meaningless game.