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`W’ is missing from Campbell’s best game

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, December 15th, 2010 at 2:15 pm in Oakland Raiders.

News, notes and quotes from Wednesday’s interview sessions:

— Quarterback Jason Campbell was pleased to hear coach Tom Cable’s assessment that the quarterback had his best game as a Raider.

“I think it was overall, probably one of them,’’ Campbell said. “I just wish we could have won. When you don’t win, you don’t even look at it that way. You always feel like, `What could you have done better to help us win?’ ‘’

Campbell said the audible which resulted in Darren McFadden’s 51-yard touchdown run was one that was put in the night before the game.

He didn’t think there would be an issue would taking the Broncos seriously given the Raiders cannot afford another loss and that a 45-point win the first time around would give Denver ample ammunition to be better this time.

“The way we won there the first time this season, you know as a competitor they’re going to come back and fight hard,’’ Campbell said. “Playing this game for awhile, you understand every game is different.’’

Here was Campbell’s explanation of the final drive against Jacksonville, which ended with a short completion to Jacoby Ford as time expired.

“I think we just ran out of time,’’ Campbell said. “The third down play, we were trying to get a call in and had to switch it really quick to try and get the first (down).

“We were trying to get a play where we could try and get a double move and get into the end zone. But things happen and we had to take a time out. Then on the last play, we were trying to get Jacoby to where he could catch the ball and go out of bounds. But I was throwing off my back foot so I really couldn’t get into what I wanted.

“You have to learn from the situation and move on.’’

— Light day of locker room activity a week after the buzz from ex-Jaguars going against their old teammates.

Defensive end Jarvis Moss, a first-round pick in 2007 by Denver released this season and picked up by the Raiders, wasn’t as colorful as John Henderson was regading the Jaguars but provided some perspective.

When Josh McDaniels replaced Mike Shanahan, players such as Jay Cutler (traded to Chicago), Brandon Marshall (traded to Miami) and Peyton Hillis (traded to Cleveland). All three have excelled in their new locales.

“Some of those moves you’re kind of like, `Well, that guy’s a damn good player. We could use him,’ ‘’ Moss said. “Of course, as a player and a teammate to that guy, you think that, but at the same time, that’s all you are is a player. You can only sit at your locker and tape up and get ready to go to work.’’

Under McDaniels, the Broncos won their first six games last season, hit the bye week, and have gone 5-18 ever since.

“Any team that can start off the season 6-0, yeah you’re riding pretty high,’’ Moss said. “You know, that’s pretty hard to do in this league. It was a good situation. It’s kinda’ hard to believe how downhill it went after that.

“It’s hard to point the finger. You know, it’s this person’s fault, or that person’s fault, it’s a team thing, an organization thing. It went downhill from there and that’s things that they have to figure out. I’m no longer there, and I don’t really care to comment on it too much more, so that’s something for the Broncos to figure out from this point on.’’

Moss said he’d give the Raiders all the help they wanted in terms of scheme and information, although given that it’s a division opponent they’ve already faced, there probably isn’t a lot they don’t already know.

— Reserve linebacker and special teams player Sam Williams credited Jacksonville for a 65-yard kickoff return which set up the game-winning touchdown on a 30-yard run by Maurice Jones-Drew.

“They had a good scheme,’’ Williams said. “We were trying to pin them in the corner, and they bounced it to the field. We just kind of overpursued.”

—Denver wide receiver Brandon Lloyd, talking by conference call to Bay Area reporters, said the Broncos will do their best to put the disastrous first meeting behind them while making it clear it can never be forgotten.

“It wasn’t just any other game being blown out by historic proportions, but it’s still another game,’’ Lloyd said. “That happened. If you’re alluding to is it extra motivation, are we hanging the score up around the locker room like some kind of high school game? No, we’re not.’’

– Lloyd, who only caught one pass (for 46 yards) with 6:26 left in the first meeting while trailing 59-14, went into a detailed answer on the skills of cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha and noted receivers are sometimes reluctant to show some of their best moves while too far ahead and too far behind.

When asked if that was the case on Oct. 24, Lloyd broke into a laugh.

“Yeah, that’s my excuse for that,’’ Lloyd said.

–Denver coach Eric Studesville, who already named Kyle Orton the starting quarterback this week, addressed the use of Tim Tebow on a conference call with Raiders beat writers.

Orton didn’t throw during the portion of practice allowed to Denver writers.

“Well, we’re looking at everything. Tim has played for us this year. Tim has contributed to the offense this year as far as running touchdowns and throwing a touchdown,’’ Studesville said. “So, he has contributed as he’s been here, and we’re going to continue to figure out what exactly that his role can be and what it should be week to week. That’s a situation and questions that we’ve asked every week this year.”

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  • alex7

    Whoops Mcclain, just realized I should have addressed that to Bcz.

  • http://no_knuckleheads! 909RaiderLifer

    Bummer…

    Game will NOT be on in SO-CAL..CH.2 showing Gliders vs. Squeelers..

    Local dive this Sun..

  • oo

    KoolKell Says:
    December 15th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    I might trade Dmac & package, to get up high in the 1st round, for the Can’t Miss QB”.
    —————————————-

    Trade your number 1 offensive weapon, after waiting 3 years for him to produce?

    Raiders will grab Wisnieski`s boy

  • McRaider5150

    YoungAmerican Says:

    Green Bay did it with Flynn and Brohm. Too bad neither of them are very good.

    I like the way NE drafts QBs. Take a flier on one between the 3rd and 7th rounds every other year or so. That’s how they found Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, and that’s a better success rate than most teams have with QBs.
    ———————
    Right, we do not have to look at only the QBs that are 6’5 with a rocket arm.

    We can look at qbs that are smart, work hard and LOVE the game of football. Of course they need to have talent too.

  • alex7

    For what it’s worth Oo,

    you certainly do trade your top RB for a top QB if you KNOW Luck will become a Matt Ryan type of QB.

    Of course we don’t, but it’s not assinine to trade McFadden for a top QB.

    Look at the Titans. All-world RB, no QB = no wins.
    Jaguars. All-rb, average QB, average team.

    Saints/Packers/Colts/Patriots
    All Pro QB, no RB = playoffs

  • alex7

    Rams had Steven Jackson but did nothing until a QB showed up. So yeah, QB > RB any day.

  • Plunketthead

    I went back and looked at Tunas drafts with Miami and Dallas.
    Theres two or three drafts where he keyed in on two positions. Most of them look “normal”

    Although he always seems to get more then 7 picks.

  • big pep

    trade away dmac? ive been on here talking plenty of shcyt about him, but after this year no way in hell do we trade him. at this point we sign evrybody who needs to be signed after this year, keep all players under contract, and draft big nasties on both sides of the line. i dont even want a q.b. unless its late in the draft.

  • NoPassingZone

    Our 2 weakest links:

    Cable – Sub-par coach
    Campbell – Sub-par QB

    2 very important parts of the puzzle, but unfortunately I don’t see anyone available on the horizon to replace either one of them. The improved O-line has been a pleasant surprise.

    Hate to think of where a decent coach and competent QB could take this team. I wonder if the talent we have here might make Gruden or Cowher consider the job…maybe Al is near the point of ceding a little control to a proven commodity at HC… Ahhhh to dream!

  • alex7

    Isn’t a little early to pass judgment on Flynn and Brohm being they’ve backed up a Pro-Bowler for just 1.5 seasons?

  • alex7

    NoPassingZone, excellent post, thanks!

    Those two are the most important parts of a team.
    I think 3rd is the defensive coordinator.

    Al did talk last off-season about giving someone more GM duties. Not sure if it ever came true, but he’s at least TALKING like a guy willing to give a little in order to win again.

  • YoungAmerican

    Brohm wasn’t even the answer for Buffalo. I doubt he’ll turn it around any time soon.

    Flynn might be okay, though. But he’s certainly not going to push Rogers for a job.

  • big pep

    trade our last pick fro brohm, but other than that. i want big nasties on both sides of the line.

  • JB

    # oo Says:
    December 15th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    KoolKell Says:
    December 15th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
    I might trade Dmac & package, to get up high in the 1st round, for the Can’t Miss QB”.
    —————————————-

    Trade your number 1 offensive weapon, after waiting 3 years for him to produce?

    Raiders will grab Wisnieski`s boy
    ***********************

    Stephan Wisneiwski will be long gone by the time our turn comes around. We’re not trading DMac so you can forget about that.

  • OC Raider

    NO WAY we trade DMAC! He is Marcus Allen & Bo Jackson in one package. He is the new identity and key weapon of the Raiders. Hue has to create more plays to use him and keep our defense off the field. Run DMC = WIN!

  • alex7

    Just read an awesome take on the Patriots success at O-Line. Very good look at the O-Line coach behind it.
    In case anyone’s interested. Cool to read about something a little behind the scenes like this.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=tucker_ross&id=5918397

    ahh, to have a couple of butt-kicking ex-military guys like him coaching up our troops.

  • Plunketthead

    Lots of reasons the Raiders are back

    We swept SD and kicked their butts the last game
    Scored 59 points by kicking the dung out of dungver
    DMAC is 23 years old

    I could go on but I am done.

    I see the glass half full, you see it half empty.

  • McRaider5150

    Do you know what’s truly amazing to me???

    How everyone thinks that if we would have drafte Ryan, Flacco, sanchez and others, that they would be playing the same way with us that they are playing with their current teams. Sorry, but I am just not sure about that.

  • alex7

    OC, I don’t think anyone really things the Raiders would trade DMac. But SHOULD you if offered a QB? I think the evidence shows that heck yes you do.

    Lots of great RBs stuck on bad teams.
    Can’t think of many great QBs stuck on bad teams.

  • alex7

    whoops, thinks.

  • No Mas Diamante

    You don’t trade your best player on offense. sorry… Bush maybe but not McFadden. He’s becoming a game changer. Bush might get us a nice pick though.

  • YoungAmerican

    Bush can’t get us a pick, he’s a free agent.

  • No Mas Diamante

    Time to concentrate on the o line… plain and simple…

  • alex7

    McRaider, good point, though I think THIS year with Jackson leading the offense, those guys would be playing well.

    I think they were only mentioned though to show that you have to go get that 1st round QB if you want to roll the dice on a true playoff QB, instead of settling for 2nd or 3rd round QBs later that don’t amount to much.

  • No Mas Diamante

    YA you are right. my bad..

  • NoPassingZone

    # alex7 Says:
    December 15th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    For what it’s worth Oo,

    you certainly do trade your top RB for a top QB if you KNOW Luck will become a Matt Ryan type of QB.

    Of course we don’t, but it’s not assinine to trade McFadden for a top QB.

    Look at the Titans. All-world RB, no QB = no wins.
    Jaguars. All-rb, average QB, average team.

    Saints/Packers/Colts/Patriots
    All Pro QB, no RB = playoffs
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Ravens with Dilfer (poster child for ave QBs) won a SB

    I truly think that this team only needs an average QB to be a contender. Just a game manager with a brain. However we need a coach who knows how to utilize the talent we have:
    DMAC, Bush, Reece, Miller, Murphy, Ford
    Namdi,Seymore,Houston,Kelly…youngsters like McLain, Mitchell, O’Shawnessy learning. Seems like a damn good core.

  • OC Raider

    Alex7 – why trade a proven beast for an unkown or have you forgotten JaTubby?

  • McRaider5150

    alex7 Says:
    OC, I don’t think anyone really things the Raiders would trade DMac. But SHOULD you if offered a QB? I think the evidence shows that heck yes you do.

    Lots of great RBs stuck on bad teams.
    Can’t think of many great QBs stuck on bad teams.
    ———————–
    What about kurt warner’s time with 2 horrible teams?

    oh and steve young, and Plunkett, and brees with SD

  • OC Raider

    76 – Amen to that! Great post.

  • alex7

    No Mas, I’m not sure though that any RB is a game-changer. Again, look at Chris Johnson, Frank Gore, DeAngelo Williams, Stephen Jackson, Clinton Portis’ years in Washington…

    those guys were all at the DMAC level of productivity if you’re honest about it.

    Yet they didn’t win.

    Again, we won’t trade McFadden, but a fun point of discussion is if you WOULD trade him for a top QB.

    I don’t think you can give me a list of QBs like the list of RBs up there – great QBs on bad teams. Great QBs MAKE great winning teams more than a great RB does.

  • OC Raider

    Alex – go back to your link re “tuck rule” ahole’s O Line coach. No line = forget about the QB

  • alex7

    lol OC, don’t encourage that post anymore.

    We’ve seen it 1,000 times.

    We will NEVER have the 2000 Ravens defense.

    That defense was HISTORIC in how awesome it was.

    You want to base your playoff ticket on having the 2000 Ravens D???

    That’s your excuse for settling for an average QB?
    That it happened ONCE in the last 15 years, because of a never-again Hall of Fame defense?

  • OC Raider

    Alex – here’s the key point: DMAC is a proven beast but the draft is just a lottery. Our O Line is not good enough yet.

  • McRaider5150

    76 is a great post.

    I think Cower would take this current team, with no changes to the Playoffs. Look at what he did with Stewart and Maddax

  • http://no_knuckleheads! 909RaiderLifer

    This years AP All-American college Centers..

    1st. Team: Chase Beeler, sr, 6-3,285, Stanford.
    2nd. Team: Jake Kirkpatrick, sr, TCU
    3rd. Team: Ryan Pugh, sr, Auburn..

    No little Wiz..

  • alex7

    yes OC, a good O-line is important.

    For all we know though, the Cleveland, Carolina, SF, and Tennessee O-lines are awesome.

    But without a legit QB, we never know, because you still lose.

    Unfortunately, you can’t measure if a top QB actually makes an O-line look better by getting rid of the ball fast and allowing more running plays vs only 7 in the box due to the D’s respect of the pass.

  • alex7

    Aren’t the Packers and Steelers winning without much of an O-line?

    It’s a QB league, #1.

  • alex7

    Cowher had Dick LeBeou. You always make the playoffs with a Dick LeBeou defense :)

    He’s making Mike Tomlin look like Einstein, too.

    Bill Cowher would do nothing with this team if Al is here.

    Why? No zone D allowed. No fancy 3-4 blitzing, confuse the heck out of your opponent, no one runs on us defense, because of our mandated man-to-man.

  • J Hill

    Alex,

    Why don’t you give us a comparison of a QB that has a WR core and Oline like the Raiders have, and a coach like Tom Cable, and that QB is doing what your talking about in here.

    In other words, who should Jason Campbell be playing like?

  • alex7

    909, I haven’t seen the Stanford C play.

    But I’m not sure I’d trust a 285 lb. center. I’d want a little more “mauler” weight after seeing Grove and Satele pushed around. Nick Mangold and Alex Mack of the Browns, Andre Gurode of the Cowboys, give me 300 lb beef in there!

  • OC Raider

    And, to add to 89, with plays like the ones Boller had?? No argument that a stud QB is critical, but there are a lot of other factors involved. Unless it’s a proven QB, no way you trade DMAC.

  • alex7

    JHill, I don’t expect JC to play like any of those guys because JC has proven he can’t handle pressure D’s throughout his career.

    As for your question,

    Take away Aaron Rodgers from the Packers.

    Does Mike McCarthy still become a constant 11-win coach?
    Does anyone speak of that O-line and those WRs?

    Well, they just lost 9-7 to the Lions, so that answers your question. :)

  • McRaider5150

    alex7 Says:
    Cowher had Dick LeBeou. You always make the playoffs with a Dick LeBeou defense

    He’s making Mike Tomlin look like Einstein, too.

    Bill Cowher would do nothing with this team if Al is here.

    Why? No zone D allowed. No fancy 3-4 blitzing, confuse the heck out of your opponent, no one runs on us defense, because of our mandated man-to-man.
    —————————–
    Cower is a winner who know how to coach a football team. He know how to use the talent that he has. he also demands respect. He would have this team playing good football every week. We would not have to have a top five D

  • YoungAmerican

    The thing about the way the Raiders play football is that a good offensive line is necessary. They want to be able to run the ball against tough defenses, and throw the deep ball.

    The common denominator with the Raiders’ best offenses throughout their history? A great offensive line.

  • McRaider5150

    Alex, Who do you want to see coaching the Raiders next year. Please give us a name?

  • alex7

    A good QB

    MAKES

    an O-line, makes the WRs, makes the coaches all look good.

  • J Hill

    Why? No zone D allowed.

    ——————————————————

    Cmon Alex!

    We were getting toasted in zone the first part of the year. Branch was terrible in Tenn. CJ37 missed a coverage that gave Crabtree a TD. Many examples of us playing zone early in the year. We sucked at it so bad, we went to our so called strength.

  • http://Www.bullycains.com r8dercain

    I want cable an the whole coaching staff back next yr
    continuity is something that has to happen here if we do
    playoffs for yrs to come. Fire cable an we start all over. New system possible personnel moves am back to where we started from

  • OC Raider

    no argument there but do u give up DMAC for a draft pick? Hell no. Wasn’t Brady picked in the 6th?

  • alex7

    McRaider, is your point that a “great” coach wins no matter what his situation?

    Vince Lombardi, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren, and Bill Belichick have proven otherwise.