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Jaguars’ defeat not suitable for film study

News, notes and quotes Thursday with on-site help from beat writer Steve Corkran:

– Turns out the Raiders had their first ever “Defeat Monday” this week. Getting Monday off is normally associated with a win. It happened fairly regularly following wins under Art Shell (all two of them) and Norv Turner, less so under Lane Kiffin and eventually Tom Cable.

Following a loss, however, it’s always been time to get back to the grind.

Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly said he hadn’t even looked at Jacksonville game film.

“We came in and coach said, `It was a tough game. We lost, I trust everybody feels like (expletive) and we’re going straight on to the Denver game.’ So I just took the cue from Cabes _ he wanted to move on, so I moved on.”

Coach Tom Cable said players were given cut-ups and things were emphasized, just not as a part of a regular Monday.

“I don’t think there’s an easy way to do it, I just think it’s the most obvious,” Cable said when asked if that was the easiest way to deal with a difficult loss. “You want to get on to the next one as soon as possible.

– While practice sessions in Denver seem to indicate a growing role for quarterback Tim Tebow _ perhaps even a start _ Cable said the Raiders are still counting on seeing starter Kyle Orton.

“I think he gives them the best chance to win. I think that’s pretty clear,” Cable said. “But it wouldn’t surprise me to see Tim some.”

Cable’s evaluation of Tebow coming out of the draft?

“He’s a good athlete, he’s got a ton of leadership ability, he’s a winner, it’s whether or not he could develop into a guy who could be in a pro-style system and play in this league. I haven’t seen a lot of him, so it’s really hard to talk about him now.”

– Still no Rolando McClain at practice. Cable holds out hope McClain will be able to play Sunday and said he’s improving, noting it’s a “deep-tissue issue.”

He said it’s a toss-up at this point whether Johnnie Lee Higgins or Nick Miller (both limited with ankle issues) would return punts.

Also limited in practice were defensive tackle Richard Seymour (knee), cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha (ankle), backup quarterback Kyle Boller (quad) and safety Hiram Eugene (ribs).

– Kelly reprised an old favorite when describing the propensity of the defense for giving up big plays.

“It ain’t been a situation where people are just marching up and down the field,” Kelly said. “We’re just stop, stop, boom and there will be a big play. You go back and look a tthe games, I am srue there are a couple of 50- or 7-yard plays. Big chunk plays in every one. The Tennessee game, the Arizona game with the kickoff (return) . . . as long as we keep the big plays to a minimum, we will be OK.

“We just have to keep people from having the big chunk plays and keep those plays to 10-yard gains, at the most 15 yards. Just get the man down and play another set of downs.”

– Kelly was asked about the possibility of receiving a Pro Bowl berth. (How many people thought that question would be asked this year?)

“That would mean a lot to me, but at theend of the day I would rather have the respect of people around the league than fans,” Kelly said. “If the other guys you go against respect you, that carries a little more weight than even from the coaches. Respect from plyer to player, to me, is the highest honor.”

Kelly, unfortunately, will never find out the player vote. The NFL chooses Pro Bowl entrants next Tuesday based on votes from the fans, players and coaches _ one third each. Tallies are not released.

In the case of a player like Kelly, often a Pro Bowl selection does not accompany a breakout year. Seems there’s often a lag time involved until a player’s reputation carries weight with voters in all three areas.

– Stanford Routt on the big plays given up against Jacksonville:

“It was either technique or just one of the four defensive weapons _ eyes, hands, feet and leverage. All four of those weapons, or lack thereof, showed up in all of the big plays we got beat on in the second half.”

– The more right tackle Langston Walker watches running back Darren McFadden, the more he feels as if he’s running in quicksand.

“It just makes you realize how slow you are,” Walker said. “I mean, I’ve seen him run from some pretty fast guys, guys that had a pretty good angle on him, and it makes your job a little easier because defenses are gearing towards him and it opens up the pass a little more. I mean, he’s a threat any time he touches the ball, whether it’s handed to him or we find him out on a route.”

– Tim Tebow took the majority of the reps in practice and even Brady Quinn got some as Kyle Orton rested a sore throwing arm.

Asked by Broncos’ beat writers if Tebow was ready for a bigger role in the offense, cornerback Champ Bailey said, “I think eh can take on anything thrown at him. He’s a guy that has seen a lot _ especially through his college days. I think everybody is a little bit anxious to see what he does in the league.”

– In this “Hindight is 20-20” NFL draft do-over
by CNN-SI’s Don Banks, the Raiders pass on Rolando McClain this time and instead select Dallas wide receiver Dez Bryant at No. 8. McClain goes No. 20 to the Houston Texans.

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  • YoungAmerican

    Honestly, I wouldn’t mind seeing Al trade a 2nd rounder and a future pick in order to get to pick #20 or so. That should be high enough to secure Wisniewski.

    But in that case, I’d want to see Al make a bigger FA splash too. Either a vet WR like Vincent Jackson, or Bengals CB Jonathan Joseph, or the aforementioned targets on the right side of the o-line (Dahl, Nicks, Harris, Gaither). Or any combination of the above.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Wisnewski has dropped drastically on alot of mock drafts and is now projected a mid to late 2nd round pick

  • RAIDERMAN99

    99 has taken up AIG’s cross, it seems. Endlessly moaning about something they have no control over.

    Campbell is the unquestioned starter now. That’s how it’s going to be. No one here thinks that the guy is elite, or that he’s played lights-out this season, but he’s the Raiders starting quarterback now. Get over it.

    ================================

    Relax, YA.

    If my posts bother you so much, don’t read em.

    I realize JaJason is the starter and that’s not going to change this year.

    What concerns me is that there’s alot of posters here content to go into 2011 with JaJason as the starter using the ‘he needs more time in the same system’ excuse as a foundation for the belief that Campbell is going to develop into a decent QB.

    And that some myopic posters believe JaJason was solely responsible for the 6 Raider wins this year.

    I’m not content with JaJason starting again in 2011, and don’t think any true Raider fan should be either.

    Don’t know what the answer to the QB dilemma is, but I’m certain it’s not JaJason.

    And I suspect that will be the main topic on this blog throughout the majority of the off-season.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I believe Florida is playing Penn State in their bowl game, so should be an interesting one to watch.

    Florida always has NFL level prospects on the D-line, so we can see what Wiz 2.0 can do.

    Personally, we have traded so many future picks, I am inclined to stay where we are at, and if we do trade up, nothing crazy just a few spots so we don’t give up much.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    But in that case, I’d want to see Al make a bigger FA splash too. Either a vet WR like Vincent Jackson, or Bengals CB Jonathan Joseph, or the aforementioned targets on the right side of the o-line (Dahl, Nicks, Harris, Gaither). Or any combination of the above.

    +++++++++++++++++++

    There are some darn good free agents as positions of need for the Raiders…you listed them.

    Finishing at least 8-8 is critical so these guys can be convinced that Oakland is without doubt on their way up and that they can win if they come here. Same goes with retaining our crop of FA’s.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Goethel is 15 pounds lighter than McClain…..yet still ran a slower 40 time

    ***

    You’re coming at Goethel with the Height-Weight-Speed thing? LOL

    that, nor some phony attempt at humor courtesy of the Onion doesn’t mean squat when you’re talking about football players.

    By the way, Goethel DID play in the preseason – just didn’t make it to the reg season opener, but the team still thought enough of him to keep him around until after the bye, when he was ready. Looked good out there on Sunday.

    Bobby stated McClain is faking an injury because he has nothing left in the tank. Then I saw a comment you made about him staying away from Grape Soda due to the Crohns (hilarious!)

    thoughts ???

  • SilverNBlackPA

    JFB,

    I agree. Trading up earlier in the second round is fine. Not so sure about giving up what’d be required to move back into the first.

  • M Lonetree

    Two score and thirteen weeks ago The Little Popgun That Could played a helluva quarter bringing forth a victory to the Raider Nation.

    other than that he ain’t done squat

    the end

  • YoungAmerican

    Jason WILL BE the starter in 2011. Al Davis isn’t going to throw away “the next Jim Plunkett”. Nor should he after the way this team has played with him at the helm.

    Maybe he does need two years in the same system. Who knows? He’s never had that. No one can say for sure.

    I’ve said many times that I want a rookie brought in to sit behind him, so at the very least there is some kind of long-term option if Jason can’t get it done.

    But he’s going to get every opportunity to be The Guy in 2011. Make no mistake about that.

  • YoungAmerican

    Finishing at least 8-8 is critical so these guys can be convinced that Oakland is without doubt on their way up and that they can win if they come here. Same goes with retaining our crop of FA’s.

    ———-

    Agreed, PA.

  • DMAC

    Vincent Jackson….
    I think someone brought up the point that this dude has 2 DUI’s already and his 3rd will have him gone for a entire season.
    + He might might see some time in the pen on that 3rd DUI

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Campbell is here next season.

    If the Raiders finish 7-9 or 6-10, Al will let Cable go and expect whoever the next head coach is to roll with Campbell for a full season and get the best out of him.

    Or if the Raiders finish 8-8 or 9-7, Campbell is here next year because he helped QB the first decent season in almost a decade.

    Either way, Campbell is staying.

  • Just Fire Baby

    RR,

    I can see Travis Goethel as fringe NFL LBer and core ST guy. 6th round picks, that are undersized and a tad slow don’t usually set the world on fire.

    Not sure why you spend as much time hating on Rolando, but it is bordering with Mitic1 and athletic QB’s that nobody ever heard of and AIG with Bruce.

  • DMAC

    RRS,

    McClain>Cpt Kirk

    GET OVER IT!

  • RaiderRetribution

    Raiders’ rivalries, the teams that I can’t stand the most:

    1)Denver, always will be top of my most hated list, even with Tim tebow who I have a ton of respect for;
    2)Patriots,
    3)Chiefs,
    4)Steelers,
    5 Chargers when they are wearing there powder blue, when they are wearing their dark navy- flip with the Chiefs
    6)Cowboys, this team could make an arguement for top of the list,
    7) Bengals, not a rivalry, I just can’t stand the team, the helmets (either one).

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Larry Fitzgerald said outright the other day that he has made plenty of money in his career and what he wants to do is win. Finish 8-8/9-7 this year and make the playoffs next year and…who knows? Maybe Al can bring out his player-friendly dog & pony show and Fitz becomes a Raider.

    No chance though if we don’t start winning and winning soon. These next three games can start to lay a foundation for the next several years, playoffs this year aside.

    (Though if you want my honest opinion, Fitzgerald is going to be a New England Patriot on Opening Day 2012)

  • DMAC

    # RaiderRetribution Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Raiders’ rivalries, the teams that I can’t stand the most:

    1)Denver, always will be top of my most hated list, even with Tim tebow who I have a ton of respect for;
    2)Patriots,
    3)Chiefs,
    4)Steelers,
    5 Chargers when they are wearing there powder blue, when they are wearing their dark navy- flip with the Chiefs
    6)Cowboys, this team could make an arguement for top of the list,
    7) Bengals, not a rivalry, I just can’t stand the team, the helmets (either one).
    ==========
    No Whiners???????

  • RaiderRetribution

    Raiders can afford to sit back and see who comes to them with their 2nd round pick.

    They can use the $$$$s.

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    The choice is Tom Cable or Hue Jackson. I know my pick.

    http://www.firecable.com

  • RaiderRockstar

    I can see Travis Goethel as fringe NFL LBer and core ST guy. 6th round picks, that are undersized and a tad slow don’t usually set the world on fire.

    McClain>Cpt Kirk

    ***

    Goethel = the next Greg Biekert
    McClain = the next Napolean Harris

    Goethel > McClain

    GET OVER IT!

  • Silver-and-black666

    My Hate List!

    Denver
    KC
    SD
    SF
    Pitt
    Then Seattle because they used to be in our division

  • DMAC

    The player rep for Donovan McNabb lashed out at the Redskins Friday, calling the decision to bench the veteran “beyond disrespectful.”
    “Disrespectful is probably not strong enough of a word,” the agent said. “Donovan has handled himself with nothing but class, not just in Washington but as an ambassador for the league.” There’s certainly no winner here. The Redskins will get a lower draft pick back from the Eagles, and McNabb’s market value takes a huge blow. We suspect the move was instigated by coordinator Kyle Shanahan, convincing his father that his offense can work with Rex Grossman under center. It’s quite the leap of faith.
    Source: Washington Post

  • RaiderRockstar

    Wassup DMAC?

    Week 16 is right around the corner and Chaz Schilens will be ready to face Indy and catch his first pass (it will be a TD) against Indy!

    GETCHA POPCORN READY !!!

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    The 2nd rd pick will be a mid round pick. Time for an AD surprise.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    One’s certainty that JaJason will definitely be here and starting, is contingent on whether one believes Al Davis wasn’t involved in the decision to bench JaJason twice this season.

    I wouldn’t be so sure JaJason is the absolute lock that many people believe he is.

    Hard to imagine Al dumping JaJason after ‘the next Plunk’ quote and with what’s on the roster behind JaJason — but stranger things have happened.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Looks like the Raidesr are gonna be drafting 15-17. There are some guys who might be very useful to the Raiders who might make it out of the first round, but would probably be scooped up by then. I’m thinking Wisniewski, Michael Floyd, Austin Pettis….wouldn’t mind Al vaulting up 5 or 10 spots in the 2nd round to get one of ‘em.

    But like I said, given what it costs to move into the first round, even the late first…that’s just too much to pay for a team in Oakland’s situation.

  • DMAC

    # RaiderRockstar Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Wassup DMAC?

    Week 16 is right around the corner and Chaz Schilens will be ready to face Indy and catch his first pass (it will be a TD) against Indy!

    GETCHA POPCORN READY !!!
    ==========
    Wassup RRS!

    I predict a Chaz 7yd TD recption.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Al Davis didn’t trade up for Chris Long.

    He won’t trade up for Wisnewski Jr. either

    2nd rounder is going towards a WR or CB

    Higgins, Nmiller, CJ37 & Huff are outta here!

    McFadden & Ware wont play enough to prove anything in the next 3 weeks, so CB will be a huge need … unless Al makes Stan Routt a monster offer

  • YoungAmerican

    If it comes down to keeping Cable or keeping Jackson, I tend to go for the guy who gives the offense the most consistency. If Cable is truly just a quality control guy, Jackson would be the right choice.

  • YoungAmerican

    I’m still hoping that either Wisniewski or Floyd fall into the Raiders’ laps in the second round.

    We’ll know more about the possibility of that after the combine, I suppose.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Wassup RRS!

    I predict a Chaz 7yd TD recption.

    ***

    nah, Indy has a garbage secondary

    13 yard strike from Jcamp right in Chaz’s bread basket

  • SilverNBlackPA

    YoungAmerican Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 10:56 am
    If it comes down to keeping Cable or keeping Jackson, I tend to go for the guy who gives the offense the most consistency. If Cable is truly just a quality control guy, Jackson would be the right choice.

    +++++++++++++++

    Man, you’d have to feel for Tom Cable if he’d take the team to 8-8 or 9-7 for the first time in forever…and then loses his job.

    I mean, of course, do what’s best for the team and if that means promoting Hue, then that’s what you do. But still, what a kick in the crotch to Cable if it happens.

  • hwnrdr

    Chaz? ready? Is that even right to say that in the same sentence? LOL…since offseason talks have surfaced here…what about Chantilly Lace Chaz?

  • PurpleDrank81

    Well Pettis will probally be picked up in the late 2nd early 3rd…. This Draft will be Interesting

  • SilverNBlackPA

    We have the defensive line to get in Manning’s face past their average-at-best offensive line.

    We have the running game to run right over their defense.

    Two keys to beating Indy:

    1) Bump and run coverages. No zone stuff that week. Manning is all about timing with his receivers. Jam ‘em at the line and throw that off.

    2) Can Veldheer and Walker handle Freeney and Mathis? That makes me nervous as hell, if I’m gonna be honest.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Cable will keep his Job

  • DMAC

    I think we have enough talented young guns on the squad. I would trade my picks for proven vets, if you asked me.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Chaz? ready? Is that even right to say that in the same sentence? LOL…since offseason talks have surfaced here…what about Chantilly Lace Chaz?

    ***

    LOL!

    In preseason, DMAC and I made some predictions. He thought Nick Miller would be active and catch a pass by WK16 (correct!) and I said the same about Chaz, even though he was supposed to be back at Week 4 or whatever Cable said originally, haha

  • SilverNBlackPA

    DMAC Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 11:01 am
    I think we have enough talented young guns on the squad. I would trade my picks for proven vets, if you asked me.

    ++++++++++++++

    Already did that! #92.

    Get the proven vets through free agency this off-season.

  • DMAC

    Bring in some more.

  • DMAC

    Always tough to sign free agents.

  • DMAC

    W/ out having to overpay them.

  • YoungAmerican

    Man, you’d have to feel for Tom Cable if he’d take the team to 8-8 or 9-7 for the first time in forever…and then loses his job.

    I mean, of course, do what’s best for the team and if that means promoting Hue, then that’s what you do. But still, what a kick in the crotch to Cable if it happens.

    ———

    Agreed, I don’t really like the situation at all. Maybe Al’s wallet will have a few words with Hue Jackson.

  • PurpleDrank81

    What free agent wide outs are gonna be out there?

  • DMAC

    Matt Cassel (appendectomy) is listed as questionable for Week 15 and will be a game-time decision for Sunday’s matchup with St. Louis.
    The team’s medical staff will “take its evaluation to game day” on whether Cassel will get the start. All signs point to Cassel playing against the Rams, but only as a caretaker at the controls of a decidedly run-first attack. Cassel’s return is enough to upgrade Dwayne Bowe and Jamaal Charles’ outlooks for Week 15. It won’t be enough to make Cassel a good option on his own.
    Source: Josh Looney on Twitter

  • No Mas Diamante

    520.RaiderRockstar Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am
    I can see Travis Goethel as fringe NFL LBer and core ST guy. 6th round picks, that are undersized and a tad slow don’t usually set the world on fire.

    McClain>Cpt Kirk

    ***

    Goethel = the next Greg Biekert
    McClain = the next Napolean Harris

    Goethel > McClain

    GET OVER IT!
    —————————————–
    —————————————–

    Source? Link?

    This coming from the guy who basicly claimed that JLHiggins as the second coming of Jerry Rice…

    Please… this statement is so far removed from actual fact it’s ridiculas. you are letting your personal feelings and wishes get in the way of truth. Goethal has done squat since he has been here. he may pan out. But he may not. Think I’ll stick with Romac until then.

  • DMAC

    # PurpleDrank81 Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    What free agent wide outs are gonna be out there?
    ==================
    Nice list of free agent WR’s
    http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/wr.html

  • Just Fire Baby

    If you are comfortable with Jason Campbell as an inked in starter for 2011, you are comfortable with another 7-9 or 8-8 season.

    I am not, especially with this RB we have being so dominant, and we need to look to improve the QB position, just like WR and RG/RT.

    If Jason plays well the last 3 games, than you bring him back, but not sure about giving him a 50% pay raise next year as he is scheduled if he goes 1-3 to end a season. (Finished ’07 hurt, finished ’08 a fantastic 0-6, and finished ’09 1-6)

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 11:07 am
    If you are comfortable with Jason Campbell as an inked in starter for 2011, you are comfortable with another 7-9 or 8-8 season.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Didn’t say I was comfortable with it, just saying that no matter what, I expect it to happen. Trying to use Al Davis Logic the best I can.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Man there are some good free agents on that list.