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Jaguars’ defeat not suitable for film study

News, notes and quotes Thursday with on-site help from beat writer Steve Corkran:

– Turns out the Raiders had their first ever “Defeat Monday” this week. Getting Monday off is normally associated with a win. It happened fairly regularly following wins under Art Shell (all two of them) and Norv Turner, less so under Lane Kiffin and eventually Tom Cable.

Following a loss, however, it’s always been time to get back to the grind.

Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly said he hadn’t even looked at Jacksonville game film.

“We came in and coach said, `It was a tough game. We lost, I trust everybody feels like (expletive) and we’re going straight on to the Denver game.’ So I just took the cue from Cabes _ he wanted to move on, so I moved on.”

Coach Tom Cable said players were given cut-ups and things were emphasized, just not as a part of a regular Monday.

“I don’t think there’s an easy way to do it, I just think it’s the most obvious,” Cable said when asked if that was the easiest way to deal with a difficult loss. “You want to get on to the next one as soon as possible.

– While practice sessions in Denver seem to indicate a growing role for quarterback Tim Tebow _ perhaps even a start _ Cable said the Raiders are still counting on seeing starter Kyle Orton.

“I think he gives them the best chance to win. I think that’s pretty clear,” Cable said. “But it wouldn’t surprise me to see Tim some.”

Cable’s evaluation of Tebow coming out of the draft?

“He’s a good athlete, he’s got a ton of leadership ability, he’s a winner, it’s whether or not he could develop into a guy who could be in a pro-style system and play in this league. I haven’t seen a lot of him, so it’s really hard to talk about him now.”

– Still no Rolando McClain at practice. Cable holds out hope McClain will be able to play Sunday and said he’s improving, noting it’s a “deep-tissue issue.”

He said it’s a toss-up at this point whether Johnnie Lee Higgins or Nick Miller (both limited with ankle issues) would return punts.

Also limited in practice were defensive tackle Richard Seymour (knee), cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha (ankle), backup quarterback Kyle Boller (quad) and safety Hiram Eugene (ribs).

– Kelly reprised an old favorite when describing the propensity of the defense for giving up big plays.

“It ain’t been a situation where people are just marching up and down the field,” Kelly said. “We’re just stop, stop, boom and there will be a big play. You go back and look a tthe games, I am srue there are a couple of 50- or 7-yard plays. Big chunk plays in every one. The Tennessee game, the Arizona game with the kickoff (return) . . . as long as we keep the big plays to a minimum, we will be OK.

“We just have to keep people from having the big chunk plays and keep those plays to 10-yard gains, at the most 15 yards. Just get the man down and play another set of downs.”

– Kelly was asked about the possibility of receiving a Pro Bowl berth. (How many people thought that question would be asked this year?)

“That would mean a lot to me, but at theend of the day I would rather have the respect of people around the league than fans,” Kelly said. “If the other guys you go against respect you, that carries a little more weight than even from the coaches. Respect from plyer to player, to me, is the highest honor.”

Kelly, unfortunately, will never find out the player vote. The NFL chooses Pro Bowl entrants next Tuesday based on votes from the fans, players and coaches _ one third each. Tallies are not released.

In the case of a player like Kelly, often a Pro Bowl selection does not accompany a breakout year. Seems there’s often a lag time involved until a player’s reputation carries weight with voters in all three areas.

– Stanford Routt on the big plays given up against Jacksonville:

“It was either technique or just one of the four defensive weapons _ eyes, hands, feet and leverage. All four of those weapons, or lack thereof, showed up in all of the big plays we got beat on in the second half.”

– The more right tackle Langston Walker watches running back Darren McFadden, the more he feels as if he’s running in quicksand.

“It just makes you realize how slow you are,” Walker said. “I mean, I’ve seen him run from some pretty fast guys, guys that had a pretty good angle on him, and it makes your job a little easier because defenses are gearing towards him and it opens up the pass a little more. I mean, he’s a threat any time he touches the ball, whether it’s handed to him or we find him out on a route.”

– Tim Tebow took the majority of the reps in practice and even Brady Quinn got some as Kyle Orton rested a sore throwing arm.

Asked by Broncos’ beat writers if Tebow was ready for a bigger role in the offense, cornerback Champ Bailey said, “I think eh can take on anything thrown at him. He’s a guy that has seen a lot _ especially through his college days. I think everybody is a little bit anxious to see what he does in the league.”

– In this “Hindight is 20-20” NFL draft do-over
by CNN-SI’s Don Banks, the Raiders pass on Rolando McClain this time and instead select Dallas wide receiver Dez Bryant at No. 8. McClain goes No. 20 to the Houston Texans.

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  • DMAC

    I wouldn’t mind a Steve Smith (NY). I think we can sign him away from the GMEN. I would love to sign Sidney Rice, but I think Minn won’t let him walk.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Finished ‘07 hurt, finished ‘08 a fantastic 0-6, and finished ‘09 1-6

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    I hope Ray isn’t lurking around to explain why it is Campbell has struggled so mightily at the end of the year.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Haha Davonne Bess

  • YoungAmerican

    Nice list of free agent WR’s
    http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/wr.html

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    Since that article was written, Austin and Bess have new contracts.

    Sidney Rice would be a good option, but the Vikings will definitely want to keep him.

  • PurpleDrank81

    I wish we had a chance at Austin but that shipped has sailed

  • Just Fire Baby

    Steve Smith of NYG is having microfracture surgery in the next few weeks.

    I think his career just took a Drew Carter like turn.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    VJax is gonna light it up, give AJ Smith the the finger and walk away to piles of cash somewhere else….hopefully that somewhere is Oakland.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I would be suprised if that Floyd kid from Notre Dame is available in the second round.

    Kid is really good, I would be happy to give up Travis Goethel or another 6th round pick to trade up 4-5 picks to grab him if need be.

  • DMAC

    Santana Moss, is interesting, since Campbell has played w/ him in DC. Has good hands and is a vertical threat, but I think we have enough WR shrimps on the squad already.

  • No Mas Diamante

    RR – when it comes to Raider personell you have no credibility. This is a well known fact by everyone who spends any time here at all. Just accept it and move on…

  • RaiderRockstar

    If you are comfortable with Jason Campbell as an inked in starter for 2011, you are comfortable with another 7-9 or 8-8 season.

    ***

    If JCamp was the unquestionned starter all season long, you’re probably looking at wins against Arizona & Houston, if not a few more for comfort/continuity sake (as Hue Jax pointed out)

    8-8 the ceiling? Ford cost JCamp a win against Jacksonville. Also remember that perfect pass JCamp through him against SF that he bobbled in the air and it turned into a INT instead of extending the drive when we were down by 8? See that perfectly thrown pass JCamp threw that went right through DHB’s arms on Sunday? How many drops has Murphy had? or that fumble?

    Jhill was right. Dez Bryant at WR would have been HUGE

  • DMAC

    # Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Steve Smith of NYG is having microfracture surgery in the next few weeks.

    I think his career just took a Drew Carter like turn.
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    Bring him in on a fairly cheap contract. If it doesn’t work…..oh well.

  • YoungAmerican

    Yeah, I think Vincent Jackson would love to stick it to AJ Smith. Getting paid is obviously going to be his priority, but hopefully being able to stick it to AJ twice a season will sweeten the deal.

  • Silver-and-black666

    Steve Smith (Carolina Panthers) put his house on the market today..he wants out!

    Would he make a good Raider?

  • RaiderRockstar

    RR – when it comes to Raider personell you have no credibility.

    ***

    and who does? we’re fans man. Let me know when a Raiders scout, executive or coach asks you for advice.

    LOL!

  • DMAC

    SNBPA,
    post 511^^^^^^^^
    I like Jackson too, but…………

  • PurpleDrank81

    Floyd would be a great pick up but I dont think he will be there in the 2bd round….Austin Pettis will be and I would be juiced If we could pick him up..

    59 Catches 804 yards and 9 TD’s

  • YoungAmerican

    ND players tend to slide in the draft, but I don’t see Michael Floyd being anything less than spectacular at the combine, so who knows. There’s a chance he’ll still be there when the Raiders pick, but it’s a small chance.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Jhill was right. Dez Bryant at WR would have been HUGE

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    You already know we disagree about McClain, RRS, but you’re right here. Dez Bryant at #8 was probably the right choice.

    Plus, no more of the endless “JLH or NMiller as punt returner” debates. We’d have Bryant for that too.

  • DMAC

    No more rookie WR’s. Bring in a proven vet.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Rockstar,

    You can call it what you want, but Campbell has never finished a season over .500 .

    Are you placing the blame on the SF game on the Ford drop? LMAO, what about the previous 58 minutes that were Jamarcus-esque?

    And the whole AZ/Hou is very debatable, being that Bruce’s QB rating after those two games and the Rams game was almost double what Jason’s was at that time of the season.

    He got on a nice roll for a month, I would like to see him finish off the last month as well. If he does, I may change my tune, and I am certainly rooting for it.

    But you are what your record is.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Joseph Barksdale,Austin Pettis,Colin Kaepernick,Alameda Ta’amu,

  • PurpleDrank81

    Yea because proven Vets have worked out so well. No matter what we do its gonna be a gamble..

  • Just Fire Baby

    Nobody ever mentions the Titus Young guy from Boise on here.

    He is more of Al’s type with his sub 40 speed.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Titus Young is pretty small…I like the kid alot… Jacoby Ford Esque

  • YoungAmerican

    Titus Young is a small guy (he’s only 170lbs), but definitely wouldn’t be a bad addition as a WR/KR/PR.

  • bcz24

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 9:51 am
    Why on earth did the Skins give McNabb that extension halfway through the year?

    I know only about 3 million of it is guaranteed, by why waste the $3 million?

    Even with this mess, they still improved from last years wins and losses, which must tell how bad they were last season.
    *************
    They offered him that extension in August. He finally signed it at the end of October or November… whenever it was.

  • PurpleDrank81

    He’s projected as a 5th round pick….

  • Toyz

    I say go after Vjax..and use are draft picks on OL/CB

  • YoungAmerican

    If the Raiders can’t find the vets they want, they’ll have to look to the draft. Either way it’s sort of a gamble.

    I think the class of offensive linemen in free agency is much stronger than the class of offensive linemen in the draft, though. At least at the guard and tackle positions.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Titus young does have some great stats though.

  • Just Fire Baby

    He’s projected as a 5th round pick….

    ***************************

    If he runs a 4.32 forty as he supposedly can do, Al might take him in the 3rd.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Post 580….I totally agree

  • YoungAmerican

    OG – Dahl, Nicks

    OT – Harris, Gaither, Clabo

    Some good targets there in free agency. Not as much of a risk as throwing more young offensive linemen into the fire.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Why have 2 jacoby fords and no possesion reciever

  • Toyz

    Im not sold on campbell being are QB but I say fix the OL and add a vet WR and see wat he gots

  • Just Fire Baby

    Well with this McNabb situation and the Haynesworth deal, it makes me a little more confident that we got Jason for only a 4th rounder.

    SHanny and Bruce Allen certainly aren’t blazing a trail of stellar off-season moves are they?

  • DKnight007

    502.PurpleDrank81 Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 10:36 am
    Wisnewski has dropped drastically on alot of mock drafts and is now projected a mid to late 2nd round pick

    ^^^^^^^
    That would be nice….but I doubt he falls that far.

  • PurpleDrank81

    I feel like no matter what Campbell will be our QB next year unless something dramatic happens. Cable will keep his job and Hue will be here for 1 more year

  • Just Fire Baby

    I feel like no matter what Campbell will be our QB next year unless something dramatic happens. Cable will keep his job and Hue will be here for 1 more year

    ************************************

    I see that as one of those, “could be worse….but could be better” deals.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Im not sold on any of these O-Linemen coming out of the draft… the only guy I like is Joseph Barksdale who can be a good RT for us but Wisnewski get s pushed around alot is suited for a ZBS only and has limited upside

  • PurpleDrank81

    I wonder where Cam Newton will land up playing?

  • DutchRaider77

    How about going after Mercedes Lewis (TE, JAGs) next year? Double TE’s package with Miller and Lewis? Plus a decent vet WR who can catch and run routes, but nothing to break the bank. A Gaffney type receiver…

  • Just Fire Baby

    I say we draft more O-lineman from right wing DII schools.

    Seems to have worked more so than underacheiving talented guys from Florida State.

  • PurpleDrank81

    We can get guys from those right wing d2 schools later in the draft

  • DMAC

    # DutchRaider77 Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    How about going after Mercedes Lewis (TE, JAGs) next year? Double TE’s package with Miller and Lewis? Plus a decent vet WR who can catch and run routes, but nothing to break the bank. A Gaffney type receiver…
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    I’m just throwing this out there….
    Who was the better blocking TE?
    Williams or Stewart?

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    The Peacemaker: LA Gang Wars is the best reality show ever. This guy has done more to stop gang violence in the two premiere episodes last night than the police have in 30 years.

  • JB

    # DMAC Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    W/ out having to overpay them.
    **************************

    That’s ok, it’s not our money. Peyton Manning is FA this year. OK AD, work some crazy magic. Make him the highest paid athlete period. Bring him to Oakland.

    We all know this will never happen but dream about what if…

  • DMAC

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 11:53 am

    The Peacemaker: LA Gang Wars is the best reality show ever. This guy has done more to stop gang violence in the two premiere episodes last night than the police have in 30 years.
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    Yeah, I saw that last night. Nice show. We need more of those dude on the streets.

  • DMAC

    # JB Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    # DMAC Says:
    December 17th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    W/ out having to overpay them.
    **************************

    That’s ok, it’s not our money. Peyton Manning is FA this year. OK AD, work some crazy magic. Make him the highest paid athlete period. Bring him to Oakland.

    We all know this will never happen but dream about what if…
    ============
    Yeah, it’s not our money and I can care less also, but if we overpay some one there won’t be enough cash to sign others.