McClain paying off in more ways than one
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, December 20th, 2010 at 1:31 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Rolando McClain has been mainly a spectator at practice for the past two and a half weeks but during that time has responded with two of his best games.
McClain had seven stops and a tackle for loss Sunday against Denver, missed the Jacksonville game with a soft tissue foot injury and seven stops against San Diego, a game that included a highlight-reel hit on Chargers running back Darren Sproles.
“I watch a lot of film by myself and with coach (Mike) Haluchak, so I think watching film is just as important as practicing,’’ McClain said Monday. “So I was prepared.’’
It was just the second time this season McClain agreed to talk on the record. He’s not a fan of interviews, although it’s difficult to say why.
His no B.S. style, along with enormous self-confidence, reminds one of a slightly more understated Charles Woodson in the question and answer game.
McClain joked that he wasn’t going to complain about not practicing, but noted, “It’s hard sometimes because I know my teammates want me out there. You can tell I make a difference in practice, just being prepared and alerting everybody.
“Last week’s game was the first game I’ve ever missed in my life. Not just football or college. First game ever due to injury. So it was hard and no matter what it takes, I’ve got to get out there.’’
With 71 tackles, McClain is tied for sixth among all NFL rookies and is second among linebackers, trailing Indianapolis outside linebacker Pat Angerer (78).
“My goal is 100 tackles each year so I’m not there yet. I’ve still got a long way to go but I’ve still got two games and I can make up some room,’’ McClain said.
“But my goal, my main goal was to try to improve this defense in any way possible. I think everybody around me is playing better, from the D-line to my linebackers.
“If we can just continue to do that, continue to grow, continue to build on it, that would be all right, and I think that’s the impact they really need from me.”
McClain, who played the spy against Florida’s Tim Tebow in the SEC championship game won by Alabama a year ago, said the plan Sunday was to confuse him with zones so he did little in the way of spying.
“We talked before the game, talked at halftime,’’ McClain said. “Still a great player. I think he’ll be good in this league. I think he had pretty good game, besides losing.”
Fined twice this year for a body slam of the Rams’ Danny Amendola ($5,000) and for a blow to the helmet of Seattle’s Justin Forsett ($7,500), McClain’s hit on Sproles was ruled to be clean Sproles had taken three steps and was not a defenseless receiver.
“It felt good, but then it felt bad because I was worried he was going to be hurt. He’s a good guy,’’ McClain said.
McClain will be a little lighter in the wallet tonight when the rookies host the rest of the team at a high-end steakhouse.
By virtue of his first-round status and reported $23 million guarantee in his contract, McClain will get body-slammed like Amendola when it comes time to pay the check.
“I’m going to get hit with a pretty big bill tonight,’’ McClain said. “They usually do it as positions but this time they’re doing it as a team. I’ll take the bulk of the bill. I already know it. They already told me I’m paying for it.’’
More news, notes, quotes and observations from Monday’s open locker room session:
— Right tackle Langston Walker reported to work with a slight headache after leaving in the second quarter with a concussion following a Denver interception by safety Renaldo Hill.
“I’ve taken the little concussion test. They said I’m better than they thought I would be,’’ Walker said. “Then, you just go from there. You see how you feel the next day and sort of ease back into it.”
Mario Henderson replaced Walker, the first time he’s played in an NFL game at right tackle after 41 games at left tackle, 27 as a starter.
“I just look at it as an opportunity, to go in there and not skip a beat, just continue the pace that was set before the game,’’ Henderson said. “I don’t want to go out there and be the guy who wasn’t paying attention and wasn’t studying.
“I played OK, but I can play a lot better and I will do better.’’
— Linebacker Quentin Groves was already looking forward to Sunday and facing Colts’ quarterback Peyton Manning.
“I call him the human robot. He is a human robot,’’ Groves said. “You try anything and everything to get this guy out of his game, and it doesn’t work. So you just have to try and do what you do best.
“The best way to beat Peyton Manning is to keep him on the sideline. And that’s by running the ball on offense and controlling the clock.’’
Toward that end, the Raiders have moved in to second in the NFL in rushing at 157.5 yards per game and the Colts are ranked 28th against the run, giving up 135.8.
— Jacoby Ford went Hue Jackson 51 yards better on the first snap from scrimmage.
“Hue challenged me a little bit, saying I had to get at least 20 yards on it,’’ Ford said. “So I took it to the house. I think I won that bet.’’
Ford said he came into the season not knowing what his role would be and was prepared for anything.
Jared Veldheer, who became the starting left tackle after playing at Division II Hillsdale, had a goal in mind from the start.
“It was obviously a goal of mine, to be a starting tackle, and to achieve that goal I knew I needed to work hard and put in the time and really pick apart my game and try to work on it, and keep improving it, constantly keep improving it to not only stay in that spot but to make the team better,’’ Veldheer said.
How did he succeed with the leap in competition?
“Most of it’s just a mindset,’’ Veldheer said. “It’s you versus another person. No one is super man with a cape out there. Everyone is wearing a helmet and shoulder pads and you’ve got to go out there and execute and do your job better than the guy across from you.’’
— Something’s up with Sebastian Janikowski’s kickoffs that goes beyond the change in the weather.
Over his last six games, Janikowski has just four touchbacks in 31 kickoffs, a 12.9 percent rate. In the first eight games, Janikowski had 24 touchbacks in 49 kickoffs, a 49.0 percent rate.
It’s not affecting his field goal accuracy. Janikowski is 10-or-11 on field goal attempts in the last six games.
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December 20th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Still alive. Let’s go RAIDERS!
December 20th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
All I want for Christmas is a 3 game parlay to come through:
Tennessee at Kansas City Tennessee +5.50 1.91
Indianapolis at Oakland Oakland +3.00 1.87
San Diego at Cincinnati Cincinnati +7.50 1.91 Combination
Price: 6.81 Bet Amount: $100.00 Bet Payout: $ 681.00
December 20th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Yup the team’s mindset is in the right place!
December 20th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
The Raider linebackers will be tested in the passing game against Indy. Peyton Manning likes those short slant routes, and getting it out to his receivers and tight ends in the flat. The linebacking corps is going to need to have a very good day in coverage. Let’s see if McClain can get his second interception of the season.
December 20th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Let’s see if McClain can get his second interception of the season.
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Peyton is going to have a field day if RoBust tries to cover TE Jacob Tamme or RB Donald Brown
December 20th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
“I watch a lot of film by myself and with coach (Mike) Haluchak, so I think watching film is just as important as practicing,’’ McClain said Monday. “So I was prepared.’’
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I really believe we’re witnessing a great MLB in the making.
December 20th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Peyton is going to have a field day if RoBust tries to cover TE Jacob Tamme or RB Donald Brown
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Better Rolando than that hack/bust Mike Huff.
December 20th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Huff = undersized Stu Dorsett…
December 20th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Trade Condo for Stu Dorsett
December 20th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Huff has been excellent this season.
Donald Brown and Jacob Tamme? Are you guys seriously sweating these goofballs. Brown wouldn’t even deserve a roster spot in Oakland. Tamme would be competing with Brandon Myers for the No. 2 TE spot.
The only guys we have to worry about are Manning, Mathis, Freeney, Wayne and Garcon.
December 20th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
“Robust?” whatever.
Great Raider victory yesterday. I loves me a good Donkey Stomp!! First half was a bit painful. Glad Cable gave them a good dress down at the break. They all needed a swift kick in the pants.
And a big THANKS to CBS for letting us watch the Chefs run out the clock against the Lambs instead of seeing Jacoby go house. They never even showed a replay of it for most of the rest of the game either. Weak.
December 20th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
“Robust” ?
Really? Anyone who calls this kid a bust is a flippen moron.
December 20th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
The Bungals should be pumped to beat the Dis-Chargers.
It’s going to be freezing cold in Cinncy this weekend and the Dis-Chargers do not like playing on the east coast in freezing weather.
Plus the Bungals will be pumped to beat these guys, since they beat them last year in SD.
The Bungals need to pound the rock with Benson and Scott all day long and the Bolts will quit!
The Bungals needs to put consistent pressure on Rivers….they do that..they can win! They can’t turn the ball over either.
December 20th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Here’s how much Huff sucks:
- 88 tackles
- 4 sacks
- 5 tackles for loss
- 3 forced fumbles
The guy is playing at a Pro Bowl level.
December 20th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
561.Raider75 Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Right now the Raiders should be 9-5 at worst.
No excuse for losing to Cards or Niners.
Wow. What could have been.
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That dreaded Card game in which the Raiders didn’t want to win.
Ugh.
December 20th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Here’s how much Huff sucks:
- 88 tackles
- 4 sacks
- 5 tackles for loss
- 3 forced fumbles
The guy is playing at a Pro Bowl level
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He also has 1 pick.
Having Huff as my DB in my FFL has done me well!
Huff is finally coming into his own in Year 4 and he should be kept on this team.
The secondary will need him badly next year.
Otherwise it’s unproven starters in Mitchell and S Brown trying to fill in full time??
Nah….not yet.
December 20th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Raider Dell Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Trade Condo for Stu Dorsett
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I’d make that trade, lol. Let Jano snap for Lechler.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Anyone who calls the BEAST McClain a bust should NEVER be allowed to post in this wacky forum again! LOL
December 20th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
— Something’s up with Sebastian Janikowski’s kickoffs that goes beyond the change in the weather.
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It’s all going to come down to that botched field goal in AZ. I KNOW IT! Thanks again you sausage-footed m’fer!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
14.Chris in NY Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Here’s how much Huff sucks:
- 88 tackles
- 4 sacks
- 5 tackles for loss
- 3 forced fumbles
The guy is playing at a Pro Bowl level.
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Raider Nation,
Go to NFL.COM and VOTE for DMC, Nnamdi, Kelly, Huff, Lechler and Condo for the PRO BOWL!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
It’s all going to come down to that botched field goal in AZ.
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That was on the overpaid hack Condo…
December 20th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Didn’t you just have the feeling at the time that the AZ missed kick could be the difference in the season?
December 20th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Vote for Gallery also!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
I really hope we do not see Rout on Reggie Wayne and Aso on Blair White.
Does anybody know if Aso was on the field when Brandon Lloyd had the TD on Routt?
December 20th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
24.DutchRaider77 Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
I really hope we do not see Rout on Reggie Wayne and Aso on Blair White.
Does anybody know if Aso was on the field when Brandon Lloyd had the TD on Routt?
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I’m not worried about Wayne.
I’m more worried about who is going to not let Garcon and B White beat them? Routt and C Johnson need to step it the hell up in this Indy game!
Ugh.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
What McClain lacks in speed, he more than makes up for it with his mean streak and pre-game preparation. The Alabama Slamma is going to be with us for a long time. Kid is a football player.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
#21 took a lot of plays off yesterday. We saw a lot of routt and Huff/CJ 37.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Congrats RUN DMC on getting over 1000 yards and being a dominate force this year and making your haters EAT CROW!
LOL
December 20th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
trade McLame for Donovan McNabb!
we need a better backup QB than Boller, Frye, Gradkowski, O’Sullivan, etc.
#1 Campbell
#2 McNabb
#3 Danny Southwick
MLB = Goethel, Brown
December 20th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
McClain still needs to improve alot to be a top 5 mlb that we need him to be in this defense to be a SB contender. I give him a C+ for his rookie season performance, nothing more. In the offseason, he needs to lower his body fat – and work on his stamina/speed : start working out w/ P. Willis and start performing on his level.
We also need serious improvement at the other two LB spots – they simply get beat too much or disappear for large parts of the game. Wimbley is a beast and a great acquisition but he is better at DE. Groves is not cutting it and Goethe is still a relative unknown but what we have seen has not been impressive. We need to draft another stud in the 3rd/4th round and bring in a couple FA to fill out the LB core and make them a strength of the defense. Howard is gone, Trevor Scott needs to stay at DE, Ricky Brown is strictly a special teamer/backup.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
The Raider linebackers will be tested in the passing game against Indy. Peyton Manning likes those short slant routes, and getting it out to his receivers and tight ends in the flat. The linebacking corps is going to need to have a very good day in coverage. Let’s see if McClain can get his second interception of the season.
Very true we knew this would be a weakness beginning of the season because of our big lbs Jacksonville took advantage, Wimbley left Denver RB wide open in endzone but luckily he dropped it, they gotta step up
December 20th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Groves is not cutting it and Goethe is still a relative unknown but what we have seen has not been impressive.
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LOL @ CDE!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
great win yesterday. Isn’t pro bowl voting closed, though?
December 20th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Realized that too about J Kow;s kick offs and Oaklands crappy field position sometimes because of it.
whats up man?
He squibs far too many compared to what he used to it seems…
December 20th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Didn’t you just have the feeling at the time that the AZ missed kick could be the difference in the season?
We would control our own destiny if Jano makes that kick, crazy!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
And a big THANKS to CBS for letting us watch the Chefs run out the clock against the Lambs instead of seeing Jacoby go house. They never even showed a replay of it for most of the rest of the game either. Weak.
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I’m with you, what a joke that was.
I have the Sunday ticket, so usually no problem, but the Raiders-Bronco’s was the actual regional game, so I got stiffed out of that.
When Cassell threw the incomplete pass on 3rd down with 1:30 left, I damn near lost it, lol.
And than they switch to the Raiders game, and the 2nd play was an INT!!!!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
We would control our own destiny if Jano makes that kick, crazy!
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tons of “what if” moments this season. cant blame it ALL on Seabass
December 20th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
32. Groves had arguably his best game as a Raider yesterday. Not enough film on Goethel but he seems good against the run, bad in coverage so basically same as every other Raider LB.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
37. Word
December 20th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Here’s how much Huff sucks:
- 88 tackles
- 4 sacks
- 5 tackles for loss
- 3 forced fumbles
The guy is playing at a Pro Bowl level
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He also has 1 pick.
Having Huff as my DB in my FFL has done me well!
Huff is finally coming into his own in Year 4 and he should be kept on this team.
The secondary will need him badly next year.
Otherwise it’s unproven starters in Mitchell and S Brown trying to fill in full time??
Nah….not yet.
Tell you what, Branch can’t cover but he was killing it in the box yesterday sniffing out plays beating blockers and making every tackle
December 20th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
30. McClain is a PART of the reason why this team is ranked 7th on defense.
Pretty good for a rookie thrown in the fire.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Goethel is 15 pounds lighter than McClain, yet somehow he is also slower.
Slow and small is no way to make it in the NFL.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
funny how some people want to pin missing the playoffs on sebass in az, however they totally neglect this piss poor qb play in az houston and miami. especially the miami game.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
gotta say that al hit a homerun with this draft. gotta keep whatever formula for next year to fill the few holes we have.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
JFB,
whats with you and the HEIGHT/WEIGHT/SPEED thing?
you must LOVE Darrius Heyward-Branch!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
40. Yesterdays game played into Branch’s strengths. With a rookie debut at QB who is not known for throwing Branch was able to play run and not really worry about coverage.
He’s a liability in the cover game against anyone who can throw even half way decent.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Wimbley McClain Goethel
Those will be your starting LBs next season, and heck maybe the rest of this year.
I can’t see anyone replacing ShoNasty or Houston at DE. Not even Wimbley.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
27. That ankle is worse than many realize…
December 20th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
47. Nice how we can rotate them according though.
Move LB/DE guys in for speed rush and such.
Shaughnessy is a real find.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
funny how some people want to pin missing the playoffs on sebass in az, however they totally neglect this piss poor qb play in az houston and miami. especially the miami game.
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Not saying the QB play couldn’t have been improved, but his QB rating in all three of those games was higher than Campbell’s yesterday.
Was yesterday’s QB play piss poor? How about the first half when he had 30 yards passing and two INT’s leading directly to 10 points?
December 20th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
If we let Huff walk in free agency, your FS will be Hiram Eugene.
Mike Mitchell & Stevie Brown as full-time starters there would be eaten alive …
December 20th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Fug! I’m out! Peace Nation! Great win yesterday!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
51. Hiram had an awesome game on ST
December 20th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Blitzing seems to be the best part of huff’s game. I just cant get by all of the blown assignments.the stats look good on papre, but they dont match what i see on the field, critical errors in crucial times
December 20th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
JFB,
whats with you and the HEIGHT/WEIGHT/SPEED thing?
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I am more of a stats guy.
You know, like the stats of Goethel and Brown combining for 1 assisted tackle yesterday.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Huff is playing very good and is a true leader on the Defense. He is well regarded around the league and will definitely have suitors next year as this is the last year of this contract. He will want and get pretty big money in FA. Not sure if we can afford another monster contract – plus there are other options already on the team (Stevie Brown, Mike Mitchell, Hiram Eugene) and others in draft/FA. I like Huff but can we afford another big contract?
btw, Branch is a beast and should be in the Pro Bowl, period.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
however they totally neglect this piss poor qb play in az houston and miami. especially the miami game.
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You noticed that too, eh?
4 games that should have WITHOUT QUESTION been wins were Az, Houston, Miami, Jags.
Poor defense moreso than poor QB play, the season certainly isn’t on the kicker.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
The most important guy this week is going to be John Marshall. He’s going to have to come up with a game plan for Manning that goes beyond man to man coverage. He’ll eat us alive. The boss be damned this week Coach Marshall; let’s see what you got up those sleeves. I believe he has something that can work, but will he go with it even without the boss’ ok? And will our guys execute the game plan?
We’ll see sunday…
Come on Nation, let’s show the world we’re for real against a Colts team that’s in a must win situation!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
I couldnt be happier with our 2010 Draft, we are starting 4 players (Rolando, Houston, Veldheer and Ford) who are contributing, we are 7-7 now and having our best season since Super Bowl year.
McClain not only starts, but he is the Mike LB, Veldheer is playing well at LT, Ford has 5 TDs and can score from anywhere in the field and Houston is a nasty player on the field.
Also, Stevie Brown and Goethel are in when we are in some D packages.
If we can have the same succes this season in April we will be well for the years to come.
Love to see we are playing as a TEAM.
GO RAIDERS!!!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
42. You nailed it.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Seabass has gained like 30 pounds this season – his gut is hanging out there big time. On his punt, there was some serious jiggling going on. He needs to be put on a program…
December 20th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
funny how some people want to pin missing the playoffs on sebass in az, however they totally neglect this piss poor qb play in az houston and miami. especially the miami game.
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Not saying the QB play couldn’t have been improved, but his QB rating in all three of those games was higher than Campbell’s yesterday.
Was yesterday’s QB play piss poor? How about the first half when he had 30 yards passing and two INT’s leading directly to 10 points?
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I have to disagree. The d line men made an unbeleivable play (fluke). In the nfl this can happen, 99 times out of 100 that doesnt happen. campbell made the right read and threw short to miller but was victimzed by a highlight play.
On the second pick he was hammered just as he was letting the ball go.
besides all of that he pulled his game together after a rough start and got the w. unlike those brutal losses we suffered with the qb who cant be mentioned in az hou and mia.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Rolando McPain 4 DROY
December 20th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
our 2 defensive ends are really playing well, and look to be solid pros for a long time coming. last year with mm34 and shaugnassy, plus this years draft class, old man Al is on fire!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
The d line men made an unbeleivable play (fluke).
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And in Bruce’s case a WR made an unbelievably bad play for an INT in the Houston game.
And Bruce didn’t pull it together at the end of the AZ game? He led the time 60 yards in under 2 minutes to set up a 32 yard FG?
Look Bruce is toast, he can’t stay healthy, and I doubt we offer him a new contract, which is OK by me.
But you are easily the most biased poster on here in favor of Campbell and against Bruce, and I am going to call you on your nonsense with actual stats/facts every time. I’m sure you have an excuse for every one of Campbell’s 11 turnovers this season.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
The d line men made an unbeleivable play (fluke).
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And in Bruce’s case a WR made an unbelievably bad play for an INT in the Houston game.
And Bruce didn’t pull it together at the end of the AZ game? He led the time 60 yards in under 2 minutes to set up a 32 yard FG?
Look Bruce is toast, he can’t stay healthy, and I doubt we offer him a new contract, which is OK by me.
But you are easily the most biased poster on here in favor of Campbell and against Bruce, and I am going to call you on your nonsense with actual stats/facts every time. I’m sure you have an excuse for every one of Campbell’s 11 turnovers this season.
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JFB,
your just a hater. You asked for my take on the first half, I gave it. Campbell played a gritty game, and helped will us to victory with some big plays. Campbell is putting up wins, the other guy (your guy) didnt. Period end of story.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
All I want for Christmas is a 3 game parlay to come through:
Tennessee at Kansas City Tennessee +5.50 1.91
Indianapolis at Oakland Oakland +3.00 1.87
San Diego at Cincinnati Cincinnati +7.50 1.91 Combination
Price: 6.81 Bet Amount: $100.00 Bet Payout: $ 681.00
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On parlay Thursday, I shall go see my bookie. Maybe even take it MoneyLine, cause that way we will know it’s for real.
Go Raiders! Cincy and Tennesee might just pull through. Hope is the last element to fade.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
JFB,
Chew on this for a moment.
“Jason Campbell has made some great decisions with the football today, and hes been so poised, hes been helped off the field once. Tough gritty performance by the quarter back, Campbell has been great” -steve tasker
Here is guy that knows a little bit about winning football. Just so happens we saw the game the same way. I dont give to squirts of piss about your uninformed takes.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Hey guys, every player on this team deserves credit for the wins we have and partial blame for the losses. Are there games we “shoulda” won? Of course. But we are what we are. A team with a shot (slim as it is) at making the playoffs for the first time since the Tampa debacle. If someone would’ve asked us in august would that be an acceptable place for us to be in at this point in the season, I’m sure 90%+ would’ve taken that. I want it all like most football fans, but we’ve taken huge strides this year and its not over yet, GO RAIDERS!!!!!!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
but his QB rating in all three of those games
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Here we go with that non sense again. For goodness sakes, all these stats, do you even watch the games?
December 20th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
64.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
our 2 defensive ends are really playing well, and look to be solid pros for a long time coming. last year with mm34 and shaugnassy, plus this years draft class, old man Al is on fire!
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Don’t forget about Scott. That dude is a player too. We will need him going forward.
He can play the run.
He can play the pass.
He can play OLB.
He can play DE.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Campbell’s playing good football. He just has such a slow delivery and poor ability to read blitzes that I don’t think he’s a long term answer. We need a franchise QB.
December 20th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
But you are easily the most biased poster on here in favor of Campbell and against Bruce, and I am going to call you on your nonsense with actual stats/facts every time. (edited by mistic1)
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I said campbell was the better player and that he would be good for us and help us win. I said the other guy sucked and couldnt cut the mustard.
Score board says im not biased, im right!
December 20th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
You asked for my take on the first half, I gave it.
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Yes you did, you made excuses for both plays, as expected.
Are you going to post Tasker’s take on the 2nd int, or are you going to selective take from here and there as usual?
December 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Here we go with that non sense again. For goodness sakes, all these stats, do you even watch the games?
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Stats are the only FACTS we have.
Watching the game and talking about it is only opinions, and obviously you get varying takes on that depending on who you talk to.
I was pretty suprised he had a 62 QB rating. He made about 3 good throws and 7 or 8 terrible ones.
He did make a lot better decisions with the ball in the second half, and that’s what we need. Going out and throwing into double coverage had us losing at the half.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Mistic, do you think Campbell has a quick enough delivery to win a Super Bowl? Do you think Campbell can read blitzes well enough to win a Super Bowl?
December 20th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
59. Agree, this draft/FA acq is one of the reasons Raiders are relevant this year and will be for the next 5+ years.. In fact, we had the best offseason in the league if you consider all the rounds + FA acquisition.. A++ Way to go AD!
McClain – good now but a potential star (if he improves his body/game)
Houston – instant impact and a needed leader with aggression
Veldheer – amazing draft value and he will only get better
Ford – a *big time* player already, what a steal
Campbell – should be a monster at RG in 2011
Goethe – jury still out – hope he can cut it, but has issues
S. Brown – impact – may be able to start at FS eventually
McFadden – will replace C Johnson as a starter
Ware – has potential..
FA acquisitions:
Campbell – solid, best we’ve had in a long time and he’s durable and steady – exactly what we need now to get back
Wimbley – Stud
Groves – has contributed in spurts, not sure if he stays
Boller – perfect backup for this team, could start if needed
Cartwright – excellent special teamer and leader
December 20th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
64.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
our 2 defensive ends are really playing well, and look to be solid pros for a long time coming. last year with mm34 and shaugnassy, plus this years draft class, old man Al is on fire!
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Don’t forget about Scott. That dude is a player too. We will need him going forward.
He can play the run.
He can play the pass.
He can play OLB.
He can play DE.
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I like scott too, i dont like him as an every down player though. i think he is good in situational pass rush, and the fact that they can line him up in several spots though a game makes this defense extremely flexible.
However i would argue that since he has gone down it has forced marshall to really get a good long look at 77 starting at end, i think our run defense is much better with him at end.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Mistic, can Campbell read a blitz well enough to win a Super Bowl? Is he anywhere near Drew Brees’ level when it comes to picking up blitzes and finding hot routes? Peyton Manning? Mike Vick? Tom Brady?
December 20th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
The Miami game was awful to start Bruce. Poor decision, and even poorer handling of it.
The AZ and HOU game, they HAD to make the change. Campbell had 1 TD 3 turnovers and 3 other fumbles in 6 quarters and the season was slipping away 2 games into the season.
Bruce came in and played better than Campbell did, Campbell got to sit and watch for a few weeks and was clearly way better off for it. Who knows what would have happened if they kept Campbell in the whole time. He could have lit things up, he could have crumbled in front of us. No way of knowing.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
RaiderFanFromJersey Says:
Hey guys, every player on this team deserves credit for the wins we have and partial blame for the losses. Are there games we “shoulda” won? Of course. But we are what we are. A team with a shot (slim as it is) at making the playoffs for the first time since the Tampa debacle. If someone would’ve asked us in august would that be an acceptable place for us to be in at this point in the season, I’m sure 90%+ would’ve taken that. I want it all like most football fans, but we’ve taken huge strides this year and its not over yet, GO RAIDERS!!!!!!
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100% correct.
Most of us unbiased fans can see that this team and the current player on it, have made huge steps this year.
New OC/play caller
New QB
The play caller is learning what his player do best and is putting them in position to make plays that have an impact on the game.
QB is learning how to lead this team in his first year. While it’s not pretty, we’re still in it in December. Hue and Campbell are growing together. If they work well together next year and we add a few pieces, watch out football world.
Don’t even try to say it’s because of a week division. The chargers won it in 2008 with an 8-8 record.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
71.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
64.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
our 2 defensive ends are really playing well, and look to be solid pros for a long time coming. last year with mm34 and shaugnassy, plus this years draft class, old man Al is on fire!
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Don’t forget about Scott. That dude is a player too. We will need him going forward.
He can play the run.
He can play the pass.
He can play OLB.
He can play DE.
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Not on this planet.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
You asked for my take on the first half, I gave it.
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Yes you did, you made excuses for both plays, as expected.
Are you going to post Tasker’s take on the 2nd int, or are you going to selective take from here and there as usual?
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What excuse? Lineman made a superior play, jc was crushed as he threw the ball. Those are facts.
jc is winning games and has our offense rolling. jc is coaxing a passing game out of green wrs and making us a much better team. Jc is taking pressure off of dmac, teams cant just load the box.
Again the score board doesnt say im biased it says im right.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
I was pretty suprised he had a 62 QB rating. He made about 3 good throws and 7 or 8 terrible ones.
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Who are you talking about, Campbell?
I thought the only “bad” throw he made in the first half was the INT into double coverage. I thought he was under some extreme pressure and should have taken the sack.
1st int was an UNBELIEVABLE play.
What about the TD pass to Miller that was called back?
Or the terribly executed reverse to Ford?
Those things don’t show up on the stat sheet, but we both know they impact the bottom line.
Campbell had an average overall game. I think the best thing he does is use his legs. When that part of his game is working, I think the guy is ok.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
72.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Campbell’s playing good football. He just has such a slow delivery and poor ability to read blitzes that I don’t think he’s a long term answer. We need a franchise QB.
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Post of the DAY!!!
December 20th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
QB throw int’s damn. It’s an issue when you win, but not win you lose.
Didn’t manning have 11 INTs in 3 games. So what!!!!!! Let’s build on the fact that we are winning games.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis likes quarterback Jason Campbell. So much so he has expressed to coach Tom Cable his desire for Campbell to remain the Raiders starting quarterback for the foreseeable future, according to a report from the San Jose Mercury News citing multiple sources.
“Mr. Davis likes what Jason has done the past month and doesn’t see the need to change when things are going well,” a person familiar with the situation told the newspaper. “He thinks Jason is a classic fit for the Raiders style of play.”
Campbell’s accuracy on deep balls has also impressed Davis, another source said.
Campbell opened the season as the starter after being acquired in a draft-day trade from Washington. That lasted all of six quarters before he was benched in favor of Bruce Gradkowski at halftime of the home opener against St. Louis in Week 2. Gradkowski rallied the Raiders (5-4) to a win over the Rams and started the next three games before being sidelined by a separated shoulder against San Diego.
As recently as last week Cable labeled Gradkowski his “clearcut” starter when the veteran returns from injury and there was “no issue” regarding the situation.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5786731
December 20th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Mistic, can Campbell read a blitz well enough to win a Super Bowl? Is he anywhere near Drew Brees’ level when it comes to picking up blitzes and finding hot routes? Peyton Manning? Mike Vick? Tom Brady?
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He looked fine against the blitz yesterday. but we can revisit this when we have a superbowl caliber team.
Right now we are talking about a team that has only reached mediocrity.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
funny how some people want to pin missing the playoffs on sebass in az, however they totally neglect this piss poor qb play in az houston and miami. especially the miami game.
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Again, no mention of the piss poor play QB in the SF game, which was easily the worst of the year.
How is that game any different than the other three? That game counted to didn’t it? If we win that game we control our own destiny, and our defense gave up the least amount of points in that game than the other 3.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Campbell had an average overall game. I think the best thing he does is use his legs. When that part of his game is working, I think the guy is ok.
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Yep, alot/most QB’s that are not very fast thinkers use thier legs well. I guess it is the Fight or Flight thing. Or maybe he is just a slow thinker/not very smart.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
Mistic, can Campbell read a blitz well enough to win a Super Bowl? Is he anywhere near Drew Brees’ level when it comes to picking up blitzes and finding hot routes? Peyton Manning? Mike Vick? Tom Brady?
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You do know that it’s not just the QB that has to pick up a blitz right??
Your wr’s and your rb’s also have to see the blitz and make adjustments. Campbell’s not vick, Brees, or manning, but who is??
December 20th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Most of us unbiased fans can see that this team and the current player on it, have made huge steps this year.
New OC/play caller
New QB
The play caller is learning what his player do best and is putting them in position to make plays that have an impact on the game.
QB is learning how to lead this team in his first year. While it’s not pretty, we’re still in it in December. Hue and Campbell are growing together. If they work well together next year and we add a few pieces, watch out football world.
Don’t even try to say it’s because of a week division. The chargers won it in 2008 with an 8-8 record.
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Agreed.
I feel really good about this team going forward for the simple fact that I know we are and will be the best team in the division for years to come.
Can we win the SB with this team? 1st part is getting into the playoffs which winning the division does.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Don’t forget about Scott. That dude is a player too. We will need him going forward.
He can play the run.
He can play the pass.
He can play OLB.
He can play DE.
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Not on this planet.
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Scott can’t play the run or OLB very well AT ALL. Situational pass rush guy at best.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
“Davis knows football — it’s just ’60s and ’70s football. That’s what it is. He’s thinking that Cliff Branch is outside and [Jim] Plunkett is dropping back and you can throw it 80 yards down the field — deep ball, deep ball, deep ball.”
– Warren Sapp
December 20th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
TREVOR SCOTT is a speed pass rusher, nothing more, but that is enough to be part of this defense, he can get to the QB and was a 6th rounder.
A few years back we signed a player from the street (Chris Clemons) and was good getting to the QB. Now, he is a starting DE in Seattle and has 10 sacks this season.
SCOTT is a pass rusher, not starting caliber player, but a good pass rusher.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
I thought the only “bad” throw he made in the first half was the INT into double coverage. I thought he was under some extreme pressure and should have taken the sack.
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The first INT was a great play that the DE caught it, but JC stared the guy down and it was going to be batted down. Could have been batted up in the air and picked like Bree’s game-ending pick yesterday, who knows.
Zack Miller throw was “high and wide” according to Mistic’s new favorite announcer. Overthrew Jacoby on a sideline route, and the 2nd INT was a terrible decision with the ball. Also had Jacoby wide open on a deep route, and again Mistic’s announcer said he put the ball in the wrong spot.
Again, 2nd half was much different, much better decisions, defense wasn’t put in a bad position and the better team and better lines prevailed.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Within the 30 yrd line; In a dome; 1st round draft pick lines up to win the game, and chokes. F him. He should have been cut that day, replaced by the dude we had in pre-season. He would’ve made that kick.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
He looked fine against the blitz yesterday. but we can revisit this when we have a superbowl caliber team.
Right now we are talking about a team that has only reached mediocrity.
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So, is that a yes, or no? Is Campbell good enough at picking up blitzes and reading hot routes to win a Super Bowl?
December 20th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
# McRaider5150 Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Campbell’s not vick, Brees, or manning, but who is??
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I’ll put you down for “no”. Thanks for your honesty.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Campbell won tough yesterday. Its easy when you blow people out and have a lead the whole way, but how do you respond when its not going your way? Campbell lifted his game in the second half especially in money time the fourth quarter.
This is yet another game where he dialed it up in the fourth to win a big game for us. A qb must be able to win even if it is ugly at times, otherwise he is just a front runner (drew bledsoe).
JC has shown the ability to be mentally tough, shake it off and right the ship mid game. this is a characteristic that cant be over valued, or over stated.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
What i’m worried about is losing Hue to a H/C job somewhere else.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Lol
KC will be a team to be reckoned with for years. They are young across the board and are well coached, and we barely beat them.
SD will be good as long as they can put 10 guys on offense next to Phillip Rivers.
We aren’t going to dominate the AFC West every year like this. We need to start winning some games against teams outside our division if we want to be taken seriously. And I don’t mean beating a couple of teams from arguably the worst division in football history, the NFC West.
But the Broncos are dead in the water. It will take them years to get back to competitive football!
muhahahahahahaahahaaaaaa
December 20th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
I am excited for our future, because we have one of the best line combo’s in the NFL.
Lead the NFL in sacks and #2 rated rushing game. Same exact recipe as the Jets last year, who limped to 9-7 to make the playoffs than exploded in the postseason.
This team can do that too, because we beat the crap out of every team up front.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Campbell is not elite, maybe he never will be, but is *good enough* for now to build a winner around. Gradkowski is def not the answer, besides he can’t stay healthy anyway. For us to go out and try to get a ‘Franchise QB’ in draft/FA would be a big mistake at this point in the rebuilding process. If you look at Campbell’s numbers, they are actually pretty good and he is improving with every game – which is a great sign.
The Raiders *biggest* problems are not the QB position – its the Oline, WR and stopping the Run – every team that makes it to the SB has these things. Granted a stud QB is great too – but they’re so hard to find and it costs way too much to try and fail (see Jamarcus, Alex Smith, David Carr, etc etc). If we put Brady/Manning/Brees on our team today, I still don’t think we could win a SB because our Oline is not good enough and our WR production is among the worst in the league. Run D is also killing us and is the real reason we are missing the playoffs, not the play of our QB’s.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
101.L.A. Raider Dave Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
What i’m worried about is losing Hue to a H/C job somewhere else.
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Al knows that the improvement this year can mainly be placed on Hue’s shoulders, so he isn’t going anywhere. Al will keep Hue over Cable in a heartbeat.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Mistic, is Campbell good enough at reading blitzes and hot routes to be a Super Bowl winning quarterback? You said he was good yesterday. That wasn’t the question. Yesterday wasn’t the Super Bowl. Yesterday wasn’t even the playoffs. In fact, yesterday was a game against one of the worst teams in the league.
McRaider answered. He said no. He said Campbell is no Vick or Manning. Do you disagree with him?
December 20th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
I can see your point about the 1st int JFB. It’s amazing to me how many times you see that. Appears to us that the QB is looking right at a guy and he throws it right to him. I see that A LOT every Sunday in a lot of different games. Usually ends up being knocked down like you say.
I disagree on the throw to Miller and Ford. Those are timing routes like the announcer was pointing out and JC threw the ball prior to the breaks. Miller lumbering down field on a double move? That play was taking all day to develop, lol. Ford started to break inside way late on that route. Campbell threw it on the path he was running.
Those things to me are simply timing that can easily be worked out the more time they spend together. Not like the guy is out there making bad decisions with the ball I think is what I’m looking at.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
97.ottocrat Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Within the 30 yrd line; In a dome; 1st round draft pick lines up to win the game, and chokes. F him. He should have been cut that day, replaced by the dude we had in pre-season. He would’ve made that kick.
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Bet that scrub wouldn’t have made those kicks yesterday though.
Jezuz, kickers sometimes miss. Jano is the least of our problems. If we play better run D last week in JAX we wouldn’t have to worry about a kicker.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Campbell is not elite, maybe he never will be, but is *good enough* for now to build a winner around.
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What is a “winner”? Do you mean a Super Bowl winner? Do you think Campbell is good enough to win a Super Bowl?
December 20th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
After the zero sack performance yesterday, the Raiders are creeping into the middle of the pack of the league in sacks allowed (currently #22).
#2 rated rushing attack to boot. This O-line is good, bordering on great.
If we had a TE who wasn’t awful in blocking it would be the icing on the cake.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
funny how some people want to pin missing the playoffs on sebass in az, however they totally neglect this piss poor qb play in az houston and miami. especially the miami game.
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Again, no mention of the piss poor play QB in the SF game, which was easily the worst of the year.
How is that game any different than the other three? That game counted to didn’t it? If we win that game we control our own destiny, and our defense gave up the least amount of points in that game than the other 3.
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You must have missed my point in your haste to trash our winning qb.
The other 3 games were different because we didnt have the right qb starting the game.
If you have jc in those games i mentioned we have a much better chance to win, because jc is a much better player than frodo.
get it
December 20th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
# McRaider5150 Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Campbell’s not vick, Brees, or manning, but who is??
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I’ll put you down for “no”. Thanks for your honesty.
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If you are talking about winning a SB, I say yes he can. it’s not a about QB play, you need an entire team.
Vick, brees, and Manning all all 1 of kind, but they are not the only QB’s that can when the SB.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
110.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
After the zero sack performance yesterday, the Raiders are creeping into the middle of the pack of the league in sacks allowed (currently #22).
#2 rated rushing attack to boot. This O-line is good, bordering on great.
If we had a TE who wasn’t awful in blocking it would be the icing on the cake.
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The o-line is not bordering on great for foooks sake. The only reason we are down in sacks is because Campbell can move and we run a hell of a lot. They are a good run blocking line.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Did anyone think Eli Manning was good enough to win a SB??
December 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
I don’t get it.
Was the QB play awful in the SF game? If in those other 3 games our defense holds the opposing team to 17 points, we would have won all 3.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Mistic???? Hello????
Can Campbell read blitzes and hot routes well enough to win a Super Bowl? You said he’s good enough to beat Denver, pointing out that he did so yesterday. I didn’t watch all of yesterday’s game, so I haven’t seen any highlights of him doing so. Does he suddenly have a quick release? No more of that full Fernando Valenzuela windup every time he throws the ball?
December 20th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Mistic, is Campbell good enough at reading blitzes and hot routes to be a Super Bowl winning quarterback? You said he was good yesterday. That wasn’t the question. Yesterday wasn’t the Super Bowl. Yesterday wasn’t even the playoffs. In fact, yesterday was a game against one of the worst teams in the league.
McRaider answered. He said no. He said Campbell is no Vick or Manning. Do you disagree with him?
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Pointless dialogue, we arent talking about a superbowl team.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
# RaiderFanFromJersey Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
We are what we are. A team with a shot (slim as it is) at making the playoffs for the first time since the Tampa debacle. If someone would’ve asked us in august would that be an acceptable place for us to be in at this point in the season, I’m sure 90%+ would’ve taken that. I want it all like most football fans, but we’ve taken huge strides this year and its not over yet, GO RAIDERS!!!!!!
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Excellent post. If we finish the season 9-7 even if we DON’T make the playoffs, it is a reason for a celebration the likes of which we haven’t seen since January 2003!
A few more pieces and we will be in the AFC Championship game very soon.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Al knows that the improvement this year can mainly be placed on Hue’s shoulders, so he isn’t going anywhere. Al will keep Hue over Cable in a heartbeat.
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Look at the strides this offense made with a scrub OC no one wanted. Goes to show you how much talent this team had and how much of a POS play caller Cable was. Imagine if a REAL OC had come in here?
Not worried about losing Cable or Hue to be honest.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
I didn’t think so many in here would go off the deep end after we struggled to beat the Broncos at home. Yikes. Reality checks are coming.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Mistic???? Hello????
You said he’s good enough to beat Denver, pointing out that he did so yesterday. I didn’t watch all of yesterday’s game,
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just as i suspected. next
December 20th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
119.J Hill Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Al knows that the improvement this year can mainly be placed on Hue’s shoulders, so he isn’t going anywhere. Al will keep Hue over Cable in a heartbeat.
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Look at the strides this offense made with a scrub OC no one wanted. Goes to show you how much talent this team had and how much of a POS play caller Cable was. Imagine if a REAL OC had come in here?
Not worried about losing Cable or Hue to be honest.
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Funny….that’s how I feel about the QBs!
December 20th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Folks,
The QB discussion is over. JC has played well enough to be retained. You can splice his performance by this that and the other….but the bottom line is wins and points.
I was a big JC supporter, but his meandering performance left me indifferent at times and outright disgusted at other times.
JC salvaged himself this year. I think you stick it out with him. He’s in the system and let’s just see where he takes it. He plays well enough for THIS offense to be successfull…..and that’s all that matters.
Get another receiver
December 20th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Geez, I coulda swore the Raiders won yesterday.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
After the zero sack performance yesterday,
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How much credit do you give the QB for that?
Getting the ball out of his hands, moving around in the pocket, and scrambling help out your stats?
December 20th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
It does, have you ever seen me bash Campbell for not being mobile?
His shiftiness in the pocket and mobility makes up for his slow reads, and really helps his checkdown game after DHB has ran 75 yards down the field with his defender.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
New post
December 20th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
I don’t get it.
Was the QB play awful in the SF game? If in those other 3 games our defense holds the opposing team to 17 points, we would have won all 3.
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I told you monday after sf that was a terrible game from campbell, but it was out of character.
this has no bearing on the fact that the games we started cables pet we had no chance to win. Campbell plays in those games and we have a much better chance, the other guy is useless. So i dont blame seabass for those three loses, better qb play wins those games. In order to get better qb play, you nedd a better qb than we had in az hou and mia.
simple enough for you?
December 20th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
Mistic, is Campbell good enough at reading blitzes and hot routes to be a Super Bowl winning quarterback? You said he was good yesterday. That wasn’t the question. Yesterday wasn’t the Super Bowl. Yesterday wasn’t even the playoffs. In fact, yesterday was a game against one of the worst teams in the league.
McRaider answered. He said no. He said Campbell is no Vick or Manning. Do you disagree with him?
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To make sure I am clear here. I think JC can read blitz well enough to win the SB. Does he have faith that his and WR’s will also make adjustments in their routes, no. That could change with time.
and again, Vick, Brees, and Manning are not the only QB’s that can win the SB, that should be pretty obvious.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Funny is that when asked about the td pass to Reese yesterday, Campbell said he was only worried about missing him since he was so wide open…
Worried about missing him? JC did good yesterday, but that statement scares me because he “missed” quite a few yesterday also…but at least he knows it! Ja Dumbo still doesn’t get why he was benched for Bruce last year!
December 20th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
109. Given a team strong enough to make it there, yes I think he is good enough. At least as good as Brad Johnson was, or Trent Dilfer was, or Jim Plunkett was for that matter. Plus, he’s been a champion (in college), so at least he’s a winner on some level and frankly he has been pretty solid so far, not great, but solid considering the Oline sucks and he’s been pulled 3 times.
The team needs to drastically improve on the OL, WR, Run D. The Jets are considered SB contenders, because of Mark Sanchez?, no, its their Oline and D that is among the best in the league. Is Mark Sanchez good enough to win the SB? Probably, but he’s def not elite and would probably suck on a lesser team – if they do win it will be because of their other strengths and he did just enough to not screw it up. Campbell can be that guy too – and I think he can be better than that.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
McRaider5150 Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
If you are talking about winning a SB, I say yes he can
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Really?
2009 SB winning QB: Drew Brees – good as anyone at picking up blitzes.
2008: Big Ben. Good as anyone
2007: Eli. Good as anyone
2006: Peyton. Possibly the best
2005: Big Ben
2004: Brady. Good as anyone at picking up blitz.
2003: Brady
2002: Brad Johnson -now, here might be a QB as bad as Campbell, but his team also had the best defense in football. All he had to do was move the chains.
2001: Brady
2000: Another lousy QB, Dilfer. But like Tampa, had a all time great defense.
1999: Kurt Warner. Good as anyone at picking up blitz
1998: Elway. Good as anyone.
1997: Elway.
1996: Favre. Good as anyone.
1995: Aikman. Good as anyone.
1994: Steve Young. Good as anyone.
1993: Aikman
1992: Aikman
1991: Rypien? He might have sucked like Campbell. Had a pretty good defense if I recall.
1990: Hostetler? I don’t remember how good he was at picking up the blitz. I recall him being an improvement in that department when he came here. But, anyway, he also had a great defense with NY Giants.
1989: Joe Montana. Good as anyone.
1988: Joe Montana.
1987: Doug Williams. Good as anyone
1986: Phil Simms. Good as anyone.
1985: McMahon. Kind of a bonehead, yet, again, GREAT defense. One of the best in history.
1984: Montana
1983: Plunkett. Good as anyone. Don’t be fooled by Al’s mythology of Plunkett being nothing more than an arm. Plunkett’s one of the best QB’s at reading and exploiting defenses going back to his days at Stanford.
1982: Theisman. Good as anyone.
1981: Joe Montana
1980: Plunkett
1979: Terry Bradshaw. Good as anyone
1978: Bradshaw.
1977: Staubach. Good as anyone.
1976: Stabler. Good as anyone.
1975: Bradshaw
1974: Bradshaw
1973: Griese. Good as anyone.
1972: Griese. Good as anyone.
1971: Staubach
1970: Unitas/Morall. both as good as anyone
1969: Len Dawson. Good as anyone.
1968: I want to kiss you, Suzy Tolbert. Good as anyone.
1966 and ‘67: Bart Starr. Good as anyone.
So, basically you have McMahon, maybe hostetler, Rypien, and Brad Johnson, who weren’t great at reading defenses, yet had good defenses on their teams, and I mean great defenses.
So, basically, according to HISTORY, the only way Campbell wins a Super Bowl with his inability to read defenses and his Fernando Valenzuela windup (fine if he’s a baseball player, but in football you have this thing called pass rushers and you have to get rid of the ball..) is if the Raiders assemble one of the greatest defenses in football. I don’t see that happening. So I don’t think Campbell is our answer at QB, either, if we plan on winning a Super Bowl.
1968:
December 20th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
I thought M. Huff played pretty well yesterday.
December 20th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
It’s all going to come down to that botched field goal in AZ.
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That was on the overpaid hack Condo…
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what about the other two
December 21st, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 20th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
JFB,
whats with you and the HEIGHT/WEIGHT/SPEED thing?
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I am more of a stats guy.
You know, like the stats of Goethel and Brown combining for 1 assisted tackle yesterday.
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I hope Brown didn’t get a tackle yesterday…he didn’t play a down on defense
JFB = idiot !