Colts had the winning look, Raiders did not
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 26th, 2010 at 8:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes, quotes and observations from the Raiders’ 31-26 loss to the Indianapolis Colts Sunday at the Coliseum:
— Indianapolis is closing in on its eighth straight division title because of Peyton Manning, of course, but also because the Colts have had systems in football in place for a long time and play that way.
There isn’t a lot of difference between the talent on the Colts and Raiders, but unlike past years, when a lot of the Oakland talent was largely myth, you could even make the argument that the home team had the better players.
Indianapolis players are plug-ins for specific roles, and their execution makes up for anything they may lack in pure ability.
The Raiders found themselves unable to cope with the Colts adjustments Sunday, whether it was Peyton Manning recognizing the big nickel with Mike Mitchell immediately and switching pass plays to run plays, or the Indianapolis Cover 2 defense playing deep, allowing short completions and rallying up to make the tackle.
Indianapolis ran for 191 yards on 39 carries, the most yards since it had 226 in 2007. Oakland had only three tackles for losses. Dominic Rhodes, who re-joined the Colts just three weeks ago and played for the Raiders in 2007, had 98 yards on 17 carries.
It was Rhodes’ biggest yardage game since he gained 122 yards for the Raiders against the Chargers in the 2007 season finale.
Cable said the Raiders should have been able to stop the run with their big nickel and said the Colts hit a few big plays but then noted, “it was a lot of fours and fives and fours and fives. It was good consistency on their part.’’
Defensively, Indianapolis shut down the outside run to Darren McFadden (45 yards, 11 carries) and leaving one to wonder why Oakland didn’t go right at the heart of the Colts defense rather than trying to string it out against a team that was at its best on the perimeter.
Oakland had 80 yards on 20 carries.
Asked about the Colts’ ability to defend the perimeter, Cable said, “We’ve faced that before. In the first half, certainly, they had a plan for our outside run.’’
McFadden was limited after an ankle injury late in the third quarter. Cable called it turf toe, McFadden said he rolled an ankle.
“I don’t think it was anything they were doing,’’ McFadden said. “We just kind of got away from it when we got down. It was kind of off and on and we couldn’t stay on the field long enough to help the defense. It was frustrating.’’
– My column for Bay Area News Group papers illustrates that outside of the AFC West, the Raiders aren’t much different than the teams we saw from 2003 through 2009.
— The Raiders had their vertical game reduced to swings and short passes by the Indianapolis Cover 2 pass defense. Quarterback Jason Campbell completed 29 of 42 passes but for only 231 yards and a long of 26 yards to Louis Murphy.
“They were smart about us. They knew what type of team we are, and they took away some stuff,’’ said Chaz Schilens, who caught two passes for 16 yards _ his first catches of the season. “A lot of cover-2, they made it hard on us. The shorter stuff underneath was a little more open, so that’s what we were trying to do.’’
– Cornerback Stanford Routt said he didn’t want to know how Kansas City was doing against Tennessee. Cornerback Chris Johnson said he heard the Chiefs were up 31-7. Zach Miller didn’t want to find out but someone told him the Chiefs had won.
Did it matter? Hard to tell. Looked more like the better prepared team won.
— Peyton Manning’s stats were nothing to gawk at _ 16 of 30 for 179 yards, three touchdowns and interceptions by Michael Huff and Chris Johnson.
But he dominated the game in terms of pace, tempo-and play-calling.
Defensive end Tommy Kelly on Peyton Manning: “He checks out on a lot of stuff. A mean a lot of stuff.”
Safety Michael Huff on Manning: “It’s tough. He’s an offensive coodinator on the field and calls whatever he wants to call.”
Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha on Manning: “There’s not a quarterback I’ve played against that controls the game the way he does. He basically handles every situation and he’s a coordinator on the fly.’’
It was vintage Manning on the Colts’ final first down, a 26-yard naked bootleg around left end.Manning didn’t tell anyone in the huddle what he was doing, the better to sell the play, and slid to a stop at the 4-yard line rather than score a touchdown to kill the clock.
The Raiders had closed within 31-26 on Campbell’s 6-yard pass to Zach Miller, which capped an 80-yard drive with 1:51 to play. The Raiders then failed to recover the onsides kick, with Colts tight end Jacob Tamme coming down with it.
Miller had nine receptions for 66 yards, his most catches since getting 11 in Week 4 against Houston. It was his first touchdown since Week 7 in Denver.
–Campbell found himself needing to unload the ball early and took some shots although he was sacked only three times. Edge rushers Robert Mathis (1.5 sacks) and Dwight Freeney (1 sack) made their presence felt and you know it was a long day for rookie Jared Veldheer when Cable said of his performance, “I think today he learned how to utlilize help.’’
— The Raiders, meanwhile, did not sack Manning. Nor did they get close to sacking him. Manning has always been one of the best in the league at getting rid of the ball.
Rookie Lemarr Houston played a lot of defensive tackle in the absence of Richard Seymour (inactive with a hamstring pull) along with Tommy Kelly and John Henderson. Henderson was credited with 11 tackles.
— Raiders place kicker Sebastian Janikowski broke the club scoring record with his field goals of 49, 38, 51 and 45 yards. He has 135 points, breaking the mark of Jeff Jaeger (132 in 1993).
Janikowski is the first kicker to have two kicks of 59 yards or more. He had a 61-yard field goal against Cleveland last year.
– Jacoby Ford’s game-opening 99 yard kickoff return for a touchdown gives him three this season, a Raiders record. He also opened the Miami game with a kickoff return for a touchown. Oakland lost both times Ford started the game with a kickoff return.
“When I get to the kicker I pretty much know I’ll get to the end zone every time,’’ Ford said.
– Some Raiders actually seemed confused that they weren’t going to get a shot at the playoffs even if they run the table in the division.
Johnson said he even heard a rumor the league would make a rule change of some sort to reward teams that went unbeaten in division play but didn’t make the playoffs.
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December 26th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
14 Rushing attempts against the Indy Colts?
Really?
December 26th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Indianapolis is closing in on its eighth straight division title because of Peyton Manning, of course, but also because the Colts have had systems in football in place for a long time and play that way
December 26th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Defensively, Indianapolis shut down the outside run to Darren McFadden (45 yards, 11 carries) and leaving one to wonder why Oakland didn’t go right at the heart of the Colts defense rather than trying to string it out against a team that was at its best on the perimeter.
Oakland had 80 yards on 20 carries.
December 26th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
“I don’t think it was anything they were doing,’’ McFadden said. “We just kind of got away from it when we got down. It was kind of off and on and we couldn’t stay on the field long enough to help the defense. It was frustrating.’’
December 26th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
A lot of cover-2, they made it hard on us. The shorter stuff underneath was a little more open, so that’s what we were trying to do.
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Basically we played into exactly what the defense wanted us to.
December 26th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Miller had nine receptions for 66 yards, his most catches since getting 11 in Week 4 against Houston. It was his first touchdown since Week 7 in Denver.
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Lotta good that does.
December 26th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Schilens is starting to put up DHB-type numbers.
December 26th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Just Fire Baby,
you’ve quickly become one of the smarter posters on here.
To beat the cover-2, you HAVE to throw seam routes outside, and posts or seam routes down the deep middle.
Yet JC is at his best dumping it off, even when a cover-2 corner is just sitting there waiting to tackle Zach Miller after a 2-yard gain on 3rd and 6.
December 26th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
I can’t remember the last time I saw JC throw a nice seam route down the middle of the field.
Weird.
December 26th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Zach Miller didn’t want to find out but someone told him the Chiefs had won.
Did it matter? Hard to tell. Looked more like the better prepared team won.
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Stuff like this is going to hurt Cable.
December 26th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
The Raiders haven’t stopped the run all decade.
That falls on the GM/owner.
For 7 years, the Raiders haven’t had a QB that can extend drives, keep the D fresh, and put up TDs instead of FGs.
That also falls on the GM/owner.
Essentially, that’s all that is keeping the Raiders from being an elite team.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
The GM/Owner likes certain type of Football that we’re not very good at.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Sid Gillman flag football.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
The Raiders are idiots. Manning calls audibles based on the defenses he sees, so you HAVE to disguise your defenses…especially blitzes. You can’t be running up to the line with 15 seconds left on the play clock giving away the fact that you are going to blitz.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
they didnt stop the run because seymour was out…
December 26th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Schilens is starting to put up DHB-type numbers.
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LOL!!!
December 26th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
ahaha whiners fired Singletary…
December 26th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
Once again, give me a free agent QB that is MEASURABLY better than JC.
Don’t give me another retread with question marks because that’s what we have with JC. I’ll take JC with all his flaws after a year in the system and another offseason.
You bring in another new QB, and you are tossing the season away. With all the B.S about this and that…the Raiders could have been a playoff team.
Let’s get a possession receiver OR pray that Schilens can stay healthy…BTW, he shouldn’t play tomorrow…
All the teeth gnashing in the world is not going to change the fact that the QB situation is what it is.
Bringing in an unproven rookie to start is lunacy after the JaDavis debacle and the Raider history developing QBs.
You run with JC and beef up the o-line and receiver corps. The offense, with all the issues still was top 10.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
408RAIDER Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
ahaha whiners fired Singletary…
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Good. Pretty horrible display with Troy Smith today.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
The Raiders are idiots. Manning calls audibles based on the defenses he sees, so you HAVE to disguise your defenses…especially blitzes. You can’t be running up to the line with 15 seconds left on the play clock giving away the fact that you are going to blitz.
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LOL!
Exactly.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
-We could have won our division:
We allowed 30+ points in 6 games!
We can’t stop the run.
We lost to Tenn, AZ, SF, and Miami!
Someone needs to be fired!
Fire Marshall & Cable!
Bring in a new HC like Harbaugh, add a DC like Mike S, and give Hue and JC another season. Our new HC should be able to help Hue, and capable of overriding bad calls.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
The Raiders are Idiots alright. You don’t go after the #30 rushing defense?
December 26th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Anyone who was at the game saw a few things:
1) There was a lot of pressure up the middle and at the edges.
2) If you don’t think that Richard Seymour was worth a first round pick – then you missed the game today. Our front four missed him.
3) Our safety play continues to be suspect – Tyvon Branch – you lead the team in tackles, but you missed 2 or three every game.
4) DHB caught two catches with his hands (instead of his body – that was a vast improvement), but our wide receivers don’t bounce free very often.
5) Hue Jackson probably called his way into not getting a head coaching job. Too much passing and edge rushing on a suspect run defense. The game was close – why abandon the run.
6) Jason Campbell is not going to lose us any games, but he isn’t going to win us any games either – and he is far better than Gradkowski.
I started the year saying 8-8 would make me happy.
I stand by my words.
P.S. – We need to not put ourselves in a position where two crappy Pass Interference calls give the other team 14 points.
PPS – I can’t stand Colts fans.
PPPS – We are getting closer.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
The Raiders are Idiots alright. You don’t go after the #30 rushing defense?
Darren McFadden & Michael Bush………..
December 26th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
I understand the JC haters point.
They want a QB that is good enough to overcome the subpar pass protection, young WRs, and BIG plays given up on defense.
Once they settle down and realize that guy is not available in FA, then it will be easier to understand what we need this offseason.
No more Mario Henderson first order of business!
Replace Cooper Carlisle priority #2.
Beast DE with Houston getting more reps at DT.
DC that is able to teach the defense how to play a decent zone!
Move Branch back to STs, start Brown and Huff at S.
Get rid of the big nickle and the 5 S packages.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Mcfadden got injured in the 1st qtr genius..
December 26th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Darren McFadden & Michael Bush the best 1-2 combo in the league, against the Indy Colts???????????
Jason Campbell 42 attempts????????????
December 26th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
AGain, the team is still inching its way to becoming a playoff team.
The Raiders play a vanilla defense..for the most part…so it requires dominant individuals. Peyton exploited the entire secondary not named Nnamdi…you need another BAUCE cornerback to shutter the other side. Until then, they will struggle.
No Seymour, another dominant player, exposed the run defense.
The Raiders should have beaten Arizona, San Fran and Jacksonville but lost those three games because mental lapses on players and HORRIBLE coaching.
Such is life for a team trying to build.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Take the keyboard from the retard!
December 26th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
“I don’t think it was anything they were doing,’’ McFadden said. “We just kind of got away from it when we got down
December 26th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Hey O
did you make it to any games this year?
December 26th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
I dont think KC needs to win their next game against us, so they may rest their starters.
We cab finish 8-8, but we all know we should have done much better.
We are 5-0 in our division!!?
December 26th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
No Seymour, another dominant player, exposed the run defense.
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Just another case of the other guys being better chess players in key situations.
Audibling to the run when we played big nickel and just taking that 5 yds was, well, brilliant.
Isolating Mitchell and Branch in coverage when we were in the big nickel? Good move.
I’d like to see us make some offensive adjustment like that!
December 26th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
KoolKell,
When the outside run was taken away, the Raiders should have gone more with Bush between the tackles.
At least in my opinion.
The Raiders have to know how to better leverage their 1-2 backs. STill haven’t seen them both lineup in the backfield at the same time…still rarely see them motion either of them to receiver…only running back they use with versitility is Marcel Reece.
Hue Jackson has to open up the playbook
December 26th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
408,
No bro. The situation ( School and family) didn’t allow for such a luxury, but maybe next season.
Tell 4eve (my fav farmer) that we miss him, and he needs to post more.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Hue Jackson has to open up the playbook
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Hue Jackson in his audition for the HC job, got cute, and abandoned the run to please ,Al Davis.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
25.J Hill Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
I understand the JC haters point.
They want a QB that is good enough to overcome the subpar pass protection, young WRs, and BIG plays given up on defense.
Once they settle down and realize that guy is not available in FA, then it will be easier to understand what we need this offseason.
No more Mario Henderson first order of business!
Replace Cooper Carlisle priority #2.
Beast DE with Houston getting more reps at DT.
DC that is able to teach the defense how to play a decent zone!
Move Branch back to STs, start Brown and Huff at S.
Get rid of the big nickle and the 5 S packages.
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glad to see u coming around to a de before dt. i have taught u well young jedi.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
I don’t think we played well today, but I’m not mad at losing to the Colts & Steelers,
I’m pi$$ed at losing to AZ, SF, Miami, and Jax,
December 26th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Hue Jackson has to open up the playbook
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Wasn’t his finest day.
Stuck with the screen calls too long, and a reverse to Reece????? LMFAO!
December 26th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
They went back to the DHB game plan.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
I have seen the light Armond!
December 26th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
The Indy Colts held the Raiders to 80yd rushing???????????????
Really?
December 26th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
The Indianapolis Freakin Colts held the Raiders to 80 yds rushing?
Seriously?
December 26th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
IMO, our game plan was terrible. HuJack called a game that played to our weaknesses rather than our strengths – passing game vs. running game. Did he think he was going to fool someone? This is not the first time he’s had a bad game plan. Who’s that on, him, TC or both of them? We never gave the running game a chance. Running wide equaled a stuff most of the time due to their fast and light defense. When we ran up the gut we usually gained yards. So what does HuJack call, edge rushing and screens to the edge. Dumb! Running did two things – kept the D line from sacking JC and kept Manning from the field.
Our defense was another story. Not having Seymour in there was huge. Not collapsing Manning’s pocket was fatal. The DB’s also demonstrated lack of concentration and preparation. That’s on Marshall.
Yes I’m happy that we are not 4-11 but we need to be better and that starts with coaching. We have a lot of young talent now we need superior coaching. At a minimum, Marshall should be out. Sanjai Lai should be right behind him. AD will decide whether TC hangs around or not.
For all you people who say hire this guy or that guy, your forget that few big name coaches will ever come here because the pay is below par, the control is below norm, the management structure is weird at best and the HC doesn’t even have a say so on who his assistants are. That limitation also goes for most reputable prospective new coaches to (i.e. Harbaugh). He’s not going to come to this circus so get over him. TC is about all we can hope for unless Gruden decides he wants to coach again. It’s likely that he’ll be coaching Dallas or SF next year.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
houston’s versatility is the reason why we go de 1rst. he can play inside where his more natural position in a 4-3 is. branch should be our gunner again as he was a beast st guy his rookie year. thats a move that doesnt cost a thing which will make us better. mario and cc have to go and get a REAL fb in here now. dmc had a few openings that closed up quick. imagine having a power fb sealing off those lbs before they got to dmc.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
They went back to the DHB game plan.
Because they knew KC had won?
December 26th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
What Jed York said earlier after losing to St Louis about Mike Singletary and the future of the 49ers…..
“We’re going to take our time before we make any decisions like that. We don’t want to make an emotional decision right now, after the game.”
Singletary was just fired!
LOL!!!
December 26th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
We have talent/ potential to be a great team.
Defense:
Nnamdi
Seymour
McClain
Wimbley
Houston
TK
Shaunessy
Mitchell
Branch
Huff
Offense:
DMC
Miller
Ford
Reece
Bush
Murphy
Chaz (if he can stay healthy)
We need to add another CB, OL (C & G/T), OLB, and DL.
We need another hood draft, and we NEED to add a few good players from FA.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
The DT position is largely taken care of with Seymour, Henderson and Kelly.
The D-Line is ok when healthy. The issue really is getting that 2nd cornerback to lockdown the other side.
As long as the Raiders insist on running a vanilla man2man scheme…they need another BAUCE corner to shut down the other side and force the QB to hold the ball…or become dependent on TEs and RBs.
As long as Routt and CJ are on the otherside, the Raiders will be victimized on 3rd and longs by good QBs.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
41.J Hill Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
I have seen the light Armond!
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brotha when we get to the offseason i will expose u to a whole bunch of de’s who can help this front 4 be the best in the biz in a few years. that doesnt even incude the olb’s coming out. that front 7 is still a work in progress. get some speed on the edges with another power dt and its on.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Saint,
We need to fire Some Coaches!!
December 26th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
McFadden 11 carries
Bush 3 carries
Against the freakin Indianapolis Colts!
Cornerback had nothing to do with it.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
John Marshall needs to be shown the exit door immediately! I could coach the players we have on defense better than this clown!
December 26th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Armond,
CB too.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
SnB Production Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
As long as Routt and CJ are on the otherside, the Raiders will be victimized on 3rd and longs by good QBs.
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That’s a fact. Those guys are both 2 of the worst corners I have ever seen!
December 26th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Fire John Marshall, and hire Mike S.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Kell,
The Raiders needed to start running the ball between the tackles. They didn’t do that…kept running outside…should have run more Michael Bush too.
Big holding penalty on Reece that erased a 15 yard run.
December 26th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
SnB,
Exactly!
C’mon Al, do what you you do best. Draft a CB!
December 26th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
It was an improved season, and we are far superior to that classless team across the Bay. Hey Jed, are you still going to the playoffs? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA…………………
December 26th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Raider O,
AS you know I am ALL about the front 7. The front 7 is largely fixed.
Routt, CJ and their replacement just get toasted up every damn week. The Steeler, Dolphin, Jax, and Colts games the Raiders are giving up multiple 3rd and forevers that sustain scoring drives.
Get me another damn shutdown CB so this defense can actually work
December 26th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Someone needs to maee a decision between Branch and Mitchell! They can’t both play, one in place of a LB.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Did Jackson sabotage Cable for the HC job?
December 26th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
I hope we can sign J Joseph.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
If only Raider Head Coaches could hire their own assistants.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
J,
Great point bro. I was saying that to another fan earlier today.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
A more consistant pass rush without having to blitz would make Routt a much better corner.
We have 2 rookies that will be much better next year.
I’d go with Champ Bailey as a target in free agency.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
yeah we need a cb but that front 7 still needs some work. we definitely need a ballhwak back there. our pass rush isnt really a fast rush. its almost a team type of rush without any standout performer. what we need is a player who ignites the rush, like a cleanup hitter in baseball who drives in runs. who is our 3rd down sacker who u expect to get to the qb in a hurry? colts have 2 of them. give us 1 and watch how different the front 4 looks. how wimberly played against chicago in the preseason is exactly what im talkin about. he had 4 sacks and a few other pressures in the 1rst half. why isnt he asked to do that more? i’d put him at de like when burgess was here and get a true slb with some speed and cover skills.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Jason Campbell 42 pass attempts.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
65.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
If only Raider Head Coaches could hire their own assistants.
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Which is why they might as well keep Tom Cable around!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Singletary fired: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=79799&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
December 26th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
dmac made hue and jc better than the offensive numbers ended up. im done with hue. hope he gets the niner hc job with those inflated stats.. how can you pass 42 and run 20 when your team has the best runner in nfl this year? didnt al davis once said we take what we need and not take what they give us?
December 26th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Wasn’t a big fan of Trevor Scott prior to the injury, and it’s pretty safe to say he’ll drop a half a step or so post injury.
Speed DE is a need!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
J Hill Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Wasn’t a big fan of Trevor Scott prior to the injury, and it’s pretty safe to say he’ll drop a half a step or so post injury.
Speed DE is a need!
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Oh yeah, maybe Derrick Burgess is available
December 26th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Fire Marshall and hire Singletary.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Playoff QBs this year:
Brady, Big Ben, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Cassell, Vick, Matt Ryan, Flacco, and either Josh Freeman or Eli Manning.
Who exactly does Jason Campbell compare to on this list? It’s not even close.
We will never have the confusing, fancy, zone-blitzing Jets Defense, so you can’t use 22-year old Mark Sanchez as your hope.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
So if you’re honest, no matter WHAT you do in free agency, odds are you don’t get into the playoffs with Jason Campbell.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
I thought Singletary was a 3-4 guy?
December 26th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Armond,
The Raiders front 4 needs to be built like it is to stop the run. PERIOD!
Kameron Wimbley is the clean up hitter…swapping in Trevor Scott on obvious passing downs is the answer to more pass rush.
Give me a 2nd CB that shuts it down and makes the QB hold the ball another second….that’s the key for our vanilla man2man
December 26th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
The Raiders are 2nd in the league in sacks, but, Oh Yeah, a Speed DE is a must!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Alex7,
Raiders can get to the playoffs with Jason Campbell.
Raiders currently rank #10 in the league in total offense.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Just because Singletary was a HOF LB doesn’t mean he can coach. I’m not judging him one way or another. I just don’t know how he would work out as a DC. We do know that he’s not HC material. It may just mean he doesn’t have the tools/skills to be a great coach. How about Wade Philips as a DC. As I recall, he was a fairly good DC. Any thoughts?
December 26th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Hey all, Merry and Happy to all, what has been lost in these conversations is the fact, that this up and coming team lost by 5 points to a Super Bowl Calliber contending team. Yes there were mistakes made, but we are going in the right direction. I predicted 9/7 very early on, everyone laughed, should land at 8/8. We gave a few away this year, the players are noting this, there is a new sense of responsibility that has been lacking for too long. The sky is not falling, where are all the 4/12 people now? Injuries and fate, blown assignments and good luck, this team is starting to take pride in itself again, yes, and plug a few holes, we’re coming around, I’m proud of this team and where it’s headed, critics aside!!!!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
i think those hidden forces behind the NFL had the refs give the game to the Chiefs once the Raiders were already eliminated from contention to ensure ratings with the prospect of another classic brady vs manning matchup if they make it past first round. manning may finally pull it off in the frigid snow. i hope so.. hate to say because they unjustly beat the raiders today, but i would root for the colts on that scenario. hope they knock out the chiefs after we beat on the chiefs in the final game put a knock on their confidence of whose the real new boss in the AFC WEST
December 26th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Playoff #1 WRs this year:
Welker, Wallace, Wayne, Colston, Jennings, Bowe, Jackson, Roddy White, Boldin, and Nicks.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Don’t believe changing head coaches, d cordinators, o cordinators etc every single yr is the smart thing to do. It takes players to perform. We need to keep the coaching staff intact. Only thing we need to do is move some players around to the posistions they should be playing and get rid of Campbell. Honestly Palmer would fit perfect on this team. I think he just really doesn’t want to play for the bengals anymore. Fresh start in Oakland would be a good fit for Oakland and Palmer. What Palmer did today was the Palmer people where used to seeing. IMO he could get the ball to are recievers down the field a whole lot better then Campbell. He has fire and won’t take dropped passes from are recievers plus a way better pocket presence and doesn’t look like a lost confused little kid are nervous as hell when he has to be behind center instead of shotgun. Not here to argue with anyone just see it as a good idea.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Jhill’s post has to go with any post on QBs.
The Raiders don’t have a go-to possession receiver. They just don’t.
Schilens is supposed to be the guy…and until either he gets his act together or they find someone else…the offense is going to be limited to the occassional receiver catch and plenty of throws to TEs and RBs
December 26th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Where is SnB?
He’s been screaming all day about another CB opposite Nnamdi. Here is your guy:
http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2010/12/patrick_peterson_will_be_remem.html
December 26th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Changing head coaches would be pointless. Cable is the perfect guy to be the on-field leader. He is comfortable with Davis running the show and the role that goes with that. Bringing in another coach without allowing that coach to bring in his assistants is pointless, stupid and a waste of time.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
SnB Production Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Jhill’s post has to go with any post on QBs.
The Raiders don’t have a go-to possession receiver. They just don’t.
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I thought Z Miller was that guy, no?
December 26th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
OK I see you SnB. Read on bro.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
SnB Production Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Changing head coaches would be pointless. Cable is the perfect guy to be the on-field leader. He is comfortable with Davis running the show and the role that goes with that. Bringing in another coach without allowing that coach to bring in his assistants is pointless, stupid and a waste of time.
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Well, guess what.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Changing QBs would also be equally pointless.
You think someone else is going to do much better with this wide receiver roster?
JC is at least a year in…..and knows what he has.
Carson Palmer? NOPE. He will struggle for 3/4ths of the year too…and with his lack of mobility will be on his back behind this o-line
December 26th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Kell, we need HEALTHY WR’S, ain’t had one in years!!!!!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
The Colts closed off the perimeter, and the Raiders were either unable or unwilling to attack an Indianapolis defense in what has been a soft middle for much of the season.
Run up the gut would have created more 3rd down and 2-4 yds, would have put Freeney and Mathis on their heals, would made rubber legs out of the Colts defenders in the 2nd half.
Hue calls a good game at times, but reminds me of that point guard that all of sudden decides to pass behind the back to get on an espn highlight.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Who gives you a better chance of winning the tough games?
last 3 years:
JC vs NFC East= 76 QB rating
Palmer vs NFC East = 90 QB rating
JC vs AFC north (Steelers/Ravens) = 64 QB rating
Palmer vs AFC north = 78 QB rating
JC will continue to NOT contribute against teams like the Steelers, Titans, and Colts. Nothing will change next year. He’ll be 30, he’s not some young pup.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
The Raiders Shall take their anger out on the chiefs for not making the playoffs and put a hurt on em!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
veteran WR?
How about Steve Smith, you have got to think Carolina would not want Smith around a franchise QB.
His attitude would be great for the Raiders though.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
4. Thats it in a nutshell. Couldn’t keep Peyton off the field. Thata nd the fact Tyvon is and has been since pre season a a massive liability in coverage. MASSIVE.
Sure he leads in tackles but thats a BAD thing.
Ty needs to be back on Gunner during special teams too.
Mitchell was burned too and Marshall couldn’t figure out how to stop Manning from connecting on crossing routes at will.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
JHill,
Campbell had a great possession receiver in Santana Moss.
He went 20-34 in Washington.
When he was benched, Mark Brunell and Todd Collins led the Redskins on playoff runs instead.
Explain that.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Singletary to coach Denver
December 26th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
# GalacticGus Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
i think those hidden forces behind the NFL had the refs give the game to the Chiefs once the Raiders were already eliminated from contention to ensure ratings with the prospect of another classic brady vs manning matchup if they make it past first round. manning may finally pull it off in the frigid snow. i hope so.. hate to say because they unjustly beat the raiders today, but i would root for the colts on that scenario. hope they knock out the chiefs after we beat on the chiefs in the final game put a knock on their confidence of whose the real new boss in the AFC WEST
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i meant Colts in the first sentence i stated the refs gave the game to the Colts once the Raiders were eliminated in all fairness
December 26th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
100. Everyone knows Campbell has not enjoyed stability in coaches or system.
We’ll see how he fairs next year but seems to be improving especially when our run game flourishes.
Another year of systems and chemistry with wides and we’ll see…
December 26th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
SnB, agree O-line needs beefing up, screamed it for years, maybe AD is reading this, and it’s his New Years Resolution? The RAIDERS are coming back, and it’s exciting, thou excruiating, the NY papers are actually giving them cred!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Can’t tell you about Washington. Don’t follow them.
Palmer is under contract next year so I don’t even see the of talking about him.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Tell me who believes there are more important positions in the NFL than Head Coach and QB? The Raiders have better overall players than the Colts, but their organization and QB are light years ahead of ours. Earth to Al Davis: you can’t run a football team anymore.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
you guys simply IGNORE a lifetime of under-achievement
No idea why.
QBs MAKE great receivers. Look at what Manning is doing with a bunch of no-names. Ditto with Sam Bradford, Joe Flacco last year, Philip Rivers this year.
Did Favre make Percy Harvin, or the other way around. Did Warner make Fitzgerald, or the other way around.
How are those guys doing now without them?
Think people.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Well, todays game was rather frustrating.
The Raiders had a chance to beat this team, but they got away from running the ball, didn’t throw deep enough on offense, and JC just wasn’t finding the open receivers enough. The O-Lines pass pro was not very good today as well. Not enough TD’s today and that is not going to get done, especially if your defense is not making enough stops versus Manning.
On defense, I wasn’t surprised at all that the Raiders didn’t sack Manning once today. They played straight up man most of the day with an unimaginative base four man rush today without any heavy blitzing up the middle.
Based on what Marshall was saying earlier in the week, you can read between the lines and see that he wasn;t going to blitz as much as he should have of.
The Raiders need to seriously implement more 3-4 looks into their defensive scheme next year. It helps against QB’s like Manning and the Big Bens of the world.
And of course, Routte and CJ were picked on quite often and the Raiders had no answers to stop someone named Tamme??
Sheesh
Anyway, glad the Chargers aren’t going to the playoffs. Can’t stand them and all the media love they get year after year, after being such an overrated choker team.
Now the Raiders can go balls out against KC next week, with nothing to lose.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
We will add one QB to our roster though,
Gradkowski or Boller will not be back, we need to a young qb to possibly take over the Raiders future (near or far).
Two possibilities with some experience, one that many teams will inquire and the public is aware of… Kolb,
the other… a Raider hometown gentleman…
December 26th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
JHill, you don’t do research beyond this year, yet feel you have enough info to comment on our QB situation going forward?
Yikes.
Beach, too many people in here somehow believe we can build all around our crappy QB and yet we’ll make the playoffs, when all the evidence points to the contrary.
Weird. Fans with heads in the sand, I guess.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Alex,
If the Raiders were to bring in Carson Palmer…pay him a ton of money…we would be ceding next year as yet ANOTHER transition year.
And Palmer can’t run at all. He’s a decent QB, but is he really any better than JC with 1 year under his belt in THIS offense with all its issues?
YOu would be basically waiting for 2012.
Waste of time.
I am not interested in watching another transition year. Especially from the QB.
The Raiders have to roll with this and beef up the receivers and RT positions.
They are #10 in total offense with all the issues. Fix a couple of things..or at least imporve it…they should be able to maintain their current position.
DMAC will still be here and hopefully Bush
December 26th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Josh Johnson, I think a 3rd rounder could get the Raiders this quarterback from Tampa Bay.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
DKnight, mixing a 3-4 would be sweet, mixing in more zones (and practicing them more) would be great,
(hey look at us, we’re a modern NFL defense!!!!)
just not sure if Al will allow it
December 26th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Changing coaches would be pointless right now I agree.
The key is keeping offensive continuity and HUE JACKSON around and not losing him.
If you lose…then a whole new offensive system will be implemented with whole new terminology and Campbell would have to start all over with that and it will only hurt the offense as a whole.
If anything I would love to see Jim Harbaugh be hired as Head Coach with Hue Jackson remaining as his offensive coordinator, but that probably can’t be done.
So Cable should remain or Hue Jackson promoted if he doesn’t stay.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
SnB,
I’m sorry that watching Jason Campbell this year has given you the incorrect impression that QBs are little babies that need a “transition” year to find and complete passes to WRs down the field.
It’s a myth.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
you guys simply IGNORE a lifetime of under-achievement
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Yeah, and you rationalize whatever you want to, as well.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Alex,
What you are not dealing with is the reality of the situation the Raiders are in.
The Free Agent market for QBs is zero. You will not find a QB in free agency measurably better than JC.
You also don’t factor in transition time. A new “flawed” retread is probably going to need another 5 or 6 games to get comfortable. Hence ceding the season.
The Raiders also don’t have access to a guy like Luck. So any other young QB would be a big-time development project. Not helping in the short term
JC has played ok…not great and not even good…just ok. That is all the Raiders can expect in free agency…JC or otherwise. Ok is good enough, with a running game and a go-to bail out receiver, to win games right now.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Alex
If you can get Manning or Brady here next year, fine. Otherwise stfu!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
112.RaiderRetribution Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Josh Johnson, I think a 3rd rounder could get the Raiders this quarterback from Tampa Bay.
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and pass up a Right Tackle, Cornerback, Center or wide receiver?
That move you suggested is not going to help the Raiders get to 11 wins next year
December 26th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
The reality is that Jason Campbell is in the bottom 3rd of starting QBs in the NFL. Is he the guy you want to lead the team in 2011 and beyond. That answer, my friends, is NO!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Of course, with the more glaring needs we have, we may be one more year away from having the luxury to find a better QB.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
CBA negotiations will have a huge impact this off season, there will be some major changes…
hard cap will remain in place, % of revunue will go a few $$$ closer to the owners, to get that owners will have to give up on other sections…
I think there will be more favors for free agants though. i.e., longer contracts for franchised players, less restrictions on RFAs.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
121.beach Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Of course, with the more glaring needs we have, we may be one more year away from having the luxury to find a better QB.
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THANK YOU!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Night guys, 16 hrs yesterday, 17 hrs today, and back at work in 5 hrs, tired. GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Well, todays game was rather frustrating.
The Raiders had a chance to beat this team, but they got away from running the ball, didn’t throw deep enough on offense, and JC just wasn’t finding the open receivers enough. The O-Lines pass pro was not very good today as well. Not enough TD’s today and that is not going to get done, especially if your defense is not making enough stops versus Manning.
On defense, I wasn’t surprised at all that the Raiders didn’t sack Manning once today. They played straight up man most of the day with an unimaginative base four man rush today without any heavy blitzing up the middle.
Based on what Marshall was saying earlier in the week, you can read between the lines and see that he wasn;t going to blitz as much as he should have of.
The Raiders need to seriously implement more 3-4 looks into their defensive scheme next year. It helps against QB’s like Manning and the Big Bens of the world.
And of course, Routte and CJ were picked on quite often and the Raiders had no answers to stop someone named Tamme??
Sheesh
Anyway, glad the Chargers aren’t going to the playoffs. Can’t stand them and all the media love they get year after year, after being such an overrated choker team.
Now the Raiders can go balls out against KC next week, with nothing to lose!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Should this team have won 10 games this season? Absolutely. The losses to Arizona and SF were unthinkable and pathetic. Can Jason Campbell get us to the playoffs? Perhaps. Super Bowl – NEVER!
December 26th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
What do the Raiders do best? Run the Football
What does Indy do least? Defend the Run.
Don’t blame that schit on Campbell.
December 26th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
BEACH, look what he has to work with, he is conservative and not throwing the ball away, thinking on his feet with what he has to work with. Just saying! Night all!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
# RaiderRetribution Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
CBA negotiations will have a huge impact this off season, there will be some major changes…
hard cap will remain in place, % of revunue will go a few $$$ closer to the owners, to get that owners will have to give up on other sections…
I think there will be more favors for free agants though. i.e., longer contracts for franchised players, less restrictions on RFAs.
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Rookie 1st Round salary cap needs to be implemented also….BIG time!
Maybe even have the wild card team that has a better record than a division winner, will be able to host the playoff game instead of the lousy division winner with a lousy record.
Pass interference needs to be reviewable also.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
By the way, the Raiders got screwed today on two BS pass interference calls that directly resulted in Colt TD’s.
Freakin joke!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Also, those of you saying JC should be more aggressive are not being honest with yourselves.
IF the picks went up..the calls to bench JC would only increase.
Gradkowski threw too many picks and it got him IR’d prematurely
December 26th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
DK, Welcome to RAIDERLAND!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Nite All!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
# beach Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Should this team have won 10 games this season? Absolutely. The losses to Arizona and SF were unthinkable and pathetic. Can Jason Campbell get us to the playoffs? Perhaps. Super Bowl – NEVER!
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Games versus Cards and Jags should have been wins.
The Raiders playing like crap versus the Niners was kinda predictable.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
# 860Todd Christensen Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
DK, Welcome to RAIDERLAND!
# 860Todd Christensen Says:
^^^^^^^^
Been in RAIDER land dude….
December 26th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
They should have won today, too.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
By the way, the Raiders got screwed today on two BS pass interference calls that directly resulted in Colt TD’s.
Freakin joke!
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thats right, wouldn’t be suprised that Bush burst that was called back was a phantom hold too.. like i said before, the refs gave this game to the Colts once the Raiders were eliminated from the playoffs. they want to ensure the Colts are in
December 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Brees 1st year in NO = 4,400 yards, 26 TDs
Orton 1st year in Den = 3,800 yards, 21 TDs
Favre 1st year in Minn = 4,200 yards, 33 TDs
Collins 1st year in Oakland = 3,500 yards, 21 TDs
If you can ball, you don’t NEED a second year to get cozy and comfy.
Young QBs, maybe (Cassel, Cutler last year, each age 24 or 25.)
Veterans? No. You either have it or you don’t by your 6th year. Go with history and facts, not just desire to see your guy suddenly improve at age 30.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
SnB, I do agree we need to be better at Tackle and/or C
(Vehldeer allows the Raiders to go after whoever is best available). Satele and Henderson with Campbell would be excellent depth and potential starters at RG.
Cornerback, I see the Raiders going after Champ Bailey, which would allow the Raiders to trade Routt or Johnson (although if Johnson could get 100% healthy and get that speed back) we would be really deep at that position.
Last thing we need is another rookie WR, although if Boise State’s Pettis is available I would draft him in the 3rd or 4th, he will not last till the 5th as McShay and Kiper are putting him at.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Oakland is tied for 6th in scoring.
Defense didn’t play stout enough this year…plus special teams gaffes
December 26th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
SnB,
if a QB can’t be aggressive and throw well,
I guess he shouldn’t be your QB, right? At least not if you have playoff aspirations.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
Arizona has haunted all season. They should have won without relying on Jano, though he should have made it.
Jacksonville is another one that got away, and san fran. We could have beat the Colts under different circumstances..
raiders were a few plays away from being a 10-6 or 11-5 team if you consider we were leading in those games
December 26th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
Bothers me that were 10th in total offense. And I believe were 11th in total defense. But not in the playoffs. We other then a few games where in every game this yr. So for us not to be in the playoffs tells me we give up big plays in important times in the game. Some of the players we got miss assignments, missing tackles. On offense dropping passes in crutual times getting sacked missed throws oline not blocking when we need them to. So for us to be ranked that high in total offense and defense comes down to big plays either us not getting them but teams getting them against us. We have to stop giving up big plays on d it’s that simple. Players on this team need to fix that it’s on them. Coaches can teach this untill there blue in the face but players got execute period. Campbell is the 28th rated qb in the league even though were 10th in total offense we need an upgrade.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
SnB,
100 of those points came against the Broncos.
Another 65 came against the Chargers.
We kinda need to be able to pass against good teams like the early-season Titans, Steelers, 49ers D, and Colts. We need a QB that can give us production against those tough Ds.
Our schedule may never again be this easy.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
Maybe we should have Jerry repost all the threads after our week 16 game from last year so we all could co back and read the comments.
I wonder if they read anything like what we are whining about today.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Johnson said he even heard a rumor the league would make a rule change of some sort to reward teams that went unbeaten in division play but didn’t make the playoffs.
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Dumbest player in America.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Alex,
Get me a starting receiver that is reliable and I would be willing to entertain what you are suggesting.
Murphy was awful this year with both Campbell and Gradkowski. DHB? We know what he is. And Schilens spent the season in the tub.
Who do you go down field too? Who?
IN all seriousness, the team was running with no reliable receiving corps…and no #1.
I don’t see how anyone thrives in that environment.
Going conservative seems to be the right answer
December 26th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Our schedule may never again be this easy.
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Schedule is the schedule. Who friggin knows.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
SnB,
100 of those points came against the Broncos.
Another 65 came against the Chargers.
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So what, is stomping the division bad?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Can you imagine if the Raiders had a QB like Peyton Manning being their leader and QB??
When I was watching the game, I found myself thinking about that.
Wow!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Alex,
Denver and San Diego are in the NFL and in our division.
San Diego was considered an elite team until this week….Denver is bad..but they’ve won some games.
They are in the league and there are other teams just as bad or worse than them.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
We played 4 playoff teams this year.
Rams – JC got benched (42 QB rate).
Chiefs – 76 QB rate
Steelers – 26 QB rate
Colts – awful until prevent D padded stats at the end.
Unfortunately, this is par for JC’s career, which is why he had a losing record despite pro-bowl players in Washington back then.
Why we got him for a 4th rounder.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
# GalacticGus Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
By the way, the Raiders got screwed today on two BS pass interference calls that directly resulted in Colt TD’s.
Freakin joke!
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thats right, wouldn’t be suprised that Bush burst that was called back was a phantom hold too.. like i said before, the refs gave this game to the Colts once the Raiders were eliminated from the playoffs. they want to ensure the Colts are in
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Exactly….they were going to pick their spots today to make sure Manning won this game and make sure they get into the playoffs.
Didn’t see any holding calls that were big gainers, get called against the Colts today….compared to the big gainers by Bush that were taken away.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Can you imagine if the Raiders had a QB like Peyton Manning being their leader and QB??
When I was watching the game, I found myself thinking about that.
Wow!!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Our schedule may never again be this easy.
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Schedule is the schedule. Who friggin knows.
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That’s OK as we seem to play better against stronger teams. Conversely, we seem to screw up royally on what should be sure win weak teams. In other words, we play to the level of our opponents. Until we change that mentality, we are destined to be a mediocre team with great potential.
Build the lines – both of them. Then worry about the skill players. If you want a big blocking FB, give BCampbell a shot at it. He’s got the speed, power and hopefully blocking skills.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
Dknight007,
You have to have a top notch organization and coaching staff to develop a Peyton Manning or any elite QB.
Look what Andy Reid and Marty Morningweigh did for Vick and Kolb….
and Belicheck has nursed Brady to what he is.
The Raiders are simply not built that way.
The Raiders have to grind it out with flawed players all over the place.
People need to realize this for what it is
December 26th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
SnB,
not sure how else I can say this.
If a QB is legit, he’ll throw well regardless of his WR corp.
Rivers had MVP votes most of this year despite losing his top 2 receivers.
Manning is making Pro-Bowlers out of backup TEs and guys named Blair White.
Brady has made EVERY reciever in NE better than they were or became on other teams.
Palmer is making stars of whoever he throws to in Cincy, if you watched today.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
I smell Alex Smith in Oakland!
PUKE!!!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
and despite having talents in Santana Moss and Chris Cooley, JC earned the nickname “Captain Checkdown” in Washington. His team won more when backups Mark Brunell and Todd Collins played.
There is no excuse for a QB being benched multiple times over multiple years by multiple coaches.
And being traded for a future 4th rounder.
Unless he’s not very good.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Player of the Year – Darren McFadden
Rookie of the Year – Jacoby Ford and Rolando McClain
Goat of the Year – Raider secondary and Sebastian Janikowski
(IMO)
December 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
I smell Alex Smith in Oakland!
PUKE!!!
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I’d rather have Troy Smith as our BU.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
157.alex7 Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
SnB,
not sure how else I can say this.
If a QB is legit, he’ll throw well regardless of his WR corp.
Rivers had MVP votes most of this year despite losing his top 2 receivers.
Manning is making Pro-Bowlers out of backup TEs and guys named Blair White.
Brady has made EVERY reciever in NE better than they were or became on other teams.
Palmer is making stars of whoever he throws to in Cincy, if you watched today.
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Which is why we should have tradded some of those high draft picks in the 2000’s for a proven vet QB.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
well with the Raiders being 3 games back of KC, Jano doesn’t have to feel his missed kick v AZ cost us the division.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
so SnB,
will you at least admit JC is a flawed player and hasn’t succeeded even when given a good receiving corps in Washington?
And Todd Collins and 40-something year old Mark Brunell did better with the same talent?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
I don’t mind if Cable gets canned. I think the glaring thing against him is the that it’s obvious the team wasn’t ready to play in a few of the games this year.
-Miami
-San Fran
-Arizona
-Pittsburgh…all come to mind.
Cable isn’t the only “problem”, it’s also our QB. No energy, lackluster. He seems like he really doesn’t care if he loses or not. I think when he “acts” like he cares, like at press conferences etc. he is faking it cuz he’s smart enough to know that people care if HE cares or not, but in reality he really only cares if he looks good enough to continue earning starter money in the NFL. He HAS NEVER shown that strong desire to win. A guy that wants to win more than anything is what this team needs ala Grads. but also must have the talent (not Grads.).
If you took Cambells natural talent and ability and took Grads. desire to win you might have something.
At least that is how it appears to me.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Manning & Brady have been in the same systems for over 10 years now.
Comparing that to this is ridiculous.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
159.beach Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Player of the Year – Darren McFadden
Rookie of the Year – Jacoby Ford and Rolando McClain
Goat of the Year – Raider secondary and Sebastian Janikowski
(IMO)
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What did RoMc do to earn ROY?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
DK what bothered me more about the ref’s officiating was that they were not calling PI’s or checking WRs downfield on the Colts when you could easily see Raider WRs getting hit down field, this is where Campbell needs to get into refs faces, put the camera on them, don’t let them get away with it.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
Beach,
we’re like 6th in the NFL in pass defense.
Goat?
We deserve to be a 7-9 team with our QB and forced man-to-man, outdated defensive scheme.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
How is Al going to get us a first round pick in 2011?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
#150
ya manning is such a rare breed of qb’s. Who honestly would of known he would be this good. Best qb in the league and the last decade and a half that I have witnessed. Ya there is the Brady lovers out there but manning knows that position like know other. We all can dream though
December 26th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
KK,
do you realize yet no one pays attention to you because you don’t use logic or learn anything?
Those QBs MAKE the system. They aren’t some little part you plug into some magical system.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
159.beach Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Player of the Year – Darren McFadden
Rookie of the Year – Jacoby Ford and Rolando McClain
Goat of the Year – Raider secondary and Sebastian Janikowski
(IMO)
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What did RoMc do to earn ROY?
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Agreed. RoMac still has a long ways to go. He looked like crap out there today. Certainly not ROY – Not even ROW (Rookie of the week)! Maybe next year he’ll show us something. Patrick Willis he’s NOT!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Rolando McClain is far superior to Kirk Morrison. He came in as a kid to lead the defense. He was badly missed in the Jacksonville game. This guy will be a Pro Bowler soon, mark my word!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Alex,
HOw much stability has Brady, Manning and Rivers had? They have their offenses down to the last degree!
They have coaches that make sure there is the right level of talent around them and all of them have credible pass blocking o-lines.
Brady has Welker….Manning has Wayne and Garcon….Rivers has Jackson, Floyd and Crayton…receivers that at least know what they are doing.
Carson Palmer? Not sure I would use him as an example of anything. The Bengals are goin to cut his azz and teams don’t dispatch GOOD QBs….Palmer vs. JC is a wash and Palmer has no mobility.
Raiders have a team that was slapped together with a lot of very flawed players and no depth. Receivers are very raw. No go-to guy to speak of.
Again, JC is not a top tier QB, but, for the Raiders, he’s the best they can do!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Galacticus I noticed the CBS crew never gave us a replay on that phantom hold on Reece, they always show the hold after it negates a big play.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Bill Belichick’s “system” was 0-2 before Brady took over in week 3 of 2001.
QBs make the system.
Well, good QBs do.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Why didn’t Brady or Brees or Matt Schaub struggle their 1st years in their systems?
Oh, easy answer! Because they’re not flawed QBs!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
People were feeling sorry for Peyton missing a couple of receivers…yet he still has Wayne and Garcon.
Raiders have Murphy and DHB….
REally?!?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Highlight of the year – Beating SD and KC at HOME
Lowlight of the year – Losses in Arizona and SF
Embarrassment of the year – 0-6 vs. all other AFC teams
December 26th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
ShanaRat back to Denver!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Number of the year – 59
59 points in Denver is a Raider record
59 yard field goal by Janikowski today
December 26th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
Alex,
Tell me who Brady, Brees and Schaub had as receivers in their 1st year.
Then tell me the Raider receivers….
Unless your premise is that Schaub or Brees would make Louis Murphy look like Andre Johnson or Marques Colston?!?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
Why do you ignore that JC had Santana Moss and Chris Cooley, and still was benched multiple times in Washington because their offense was better with Mark Brunell and Todd Collins?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Racs I was wondering same thing myself, Mr. Ford all the way, Mr. Vehldeer and Mr. Houston were as good and consistent as McClain if not more so.
Latter half also contributed to our successes (yes, and missed plays they are low drafted rookies after all).
December 26th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Brady had a bunch of scrubs in NE in 2001.
Of course this won’t change your already-made-up-mind.
1 – Troy Brown – 2002 was his last good year.
2 – David Patten – 2002 was his last good year.
3 – Curtis Jackson – Last Year Played.
4 – Bert Emmanuel – Last year played.
5 – Charles Johnson – Hung it up in 2002 with 3 catches in Buffalo.
6 – Torrance Small – Last Year Played.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
Alex,
The Redskins are garbage and have been as much for years.
I wouldn’t look at that team as a benchmark for anything.
Moss? I think Washington is in the market for a receiver, QB and all sorts of positions.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Darren McFadden 11 carries
Michael Bush 3 carries.
Raiders Lost
That’s my logic, Alex.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Alex,
TEll me the Pats O-Line in 2002?
Did their defense give up 30 points or more 6x.
are you saying Charlie Weiss = Hue Jackson…or Al Davis/Tom Cable = Bill Belicheck?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
173.beach Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Rolando McClain is far superior to Kirk Morrison. He came in as a kid to lead the defense. He was badly missed in the Jacksonville game. This guy will be a Pro Bowler soon, mark my word!
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Ok Bitceeh, we’ll mark your words.
RoMc>Morrison… That don’t make him any good!
Bitceeh are you a prophet? Saying RoMc is gonna be a good player, you must know somthing everyone else did not know.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
In business and in life there is such a thing as having the “fear of failure” as a key motivating performance factor.
I found it telling that Michael Irvin, Troy Aikman, and Ken Norton Jr. were commenting on the Dallas team which won the back to back SB’s and all of them said that a huge factor in them consistently winning was they were “afraid to lose”. Jimmy Johnson instilled that in them and he made it “miserable” for them to even think about losing. That “fear” of failure can make a player stretch just a little farther, try just a little harder, run just a little faster, catch just a little better, and tackle just a little more surer.
It seems this Raider team from the coaches down to the QB and everyone else is just way too quick to excuse themselves when they lose. I have heard the term “we just came up a little short” waaaay too many times these past years with the Raiders. ACCOUNTABILITY. Make it miserable to lose. Don’t make it an option. Don’t say “it’s okay”. Demand they do what it takes to win and make it miserable when they don’t.
You don’t have to be overly demonstrative on the sidelines and make a spectacle, just send the message that losing is not an option on THIS TEAM THIS YEAR.
These are players and teams I see the “no option” to lose in operation:
-Tom Brady
-Peyton Manning
-Sean Payton/Drew Brees
-Pittsburgh
-The Patriots as an organization.
IMO the Raiders tolerate losing waaay to easily.
A coach that “gets it” is what is needed to instill it, as well as a QB who does as well. Not a QB that thinks he’s done a “pretty good job” when it’s obvious he absolutely did not.
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December 26th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
I am definitely happy with the entire 2010 draft and free agent pickups. Let’s make sure we do it right again in 2011!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
Raiders #2 in Rushing
Indy #30 in Rush Defense
Daren McFadden 11 carries
Michael Bush 3 carries
That’s my logic, Alex.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
Philip Rivers is having his best NFL season.
Michael Floyd (?) is leading the Charger WRs with 35 catches.
Seyi Ajirotutu, Legeduu Naanee, Patrick Crayton, Randy McMichael, Buster Davis are #2 through #6.
what a cast!!!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
I would not be surprised either way if none our QBs are back next year or if they are all back.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Alex,
I don’t think there are many people here saying JC is an elite or top 10 QB.
He’s a sericeable QB and that’s all any rational fan, knowing the challenges with the organization and coaching, can really expect.
Free agency is dead man. There are no slam-dunks…so you stick with plodding and steady for another year and rely on running the ball, limiting turnovers…and hope they can make an upgrade in the O-Line and receiving corps.
We don’t have a Peyton or Brady or Vick or Schaub….the Raiders drafted JaDavis….when you draft a guy like JaDavis…you won’t have an elite QB or one in the making.
Fortunately, the rest of the roster has improved enough for the team to compete
December 26th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
181.beach Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Number of the year – 59
59 points in Denver is a Raider record
59 yard field goal by Janikowski today
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That is the kina thing girls say. Bitceeh are yo a lil girl?
Yer so silly Bbitceeh, now go write in your diary honey.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
It is a quarterback driven league now, until the rules change back.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
Alex,
YOu still are not hearing me.
Rivers is an elite QB with an excellent OC and QB coach.
He’s been there for a while.
The Raiders don’t compare to that and never will
December 26th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
It seems this Raider team from the coaches down to the QB and everyone else is just way too quick to excuse themselves when they lose. I have heard the term “we just came up a little short” waaaay too many times these past years with the Raiders. ACCOUNTABILITY. Make it miserable to lose. Don’t make it an option. Don’t say “it’s okay”. Demand they do what it takes to win and make it miserable when they don’t.
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They say DHB had a good game if he makes a down field block, for gawdsakes.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
KK,
we already went down that path.
We only ran 25 plays the first half.
Almost half of them were runs.
You can’t rack up lots of carries when those carries are giving you 3 and outs.
I hope you’re just trolling and aren’t honestly confused about why the rush numbers aren’t high when we went 3 and out all 1st half.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
Phily will be trading Vick or Kolb in 2 years count on it.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
184.RaiderRetribution Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Racs I was wondering same thing myself, Mr. Ford all the way, Mr. Vehldeer and Mr. Houston were as good and consistent as McClain if not more so.
Latter half also contributed to our successes (yes, and missed plays they are low drafted rookies after all).
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Yep McClain was the biggest dissapointment from our 2010 draft class.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
RoMc>Morrison… That don’t make him any good!
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That’s funny. You are right, being better than Morrison isn’t a powerful statement. No, I’m not a prophet. Just a hunch on the kid.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
maybe Cam will have a lousy game against Oregon and he falls all the way to 2nd round.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
You know why Arian Foster had 30+ carries against the Colts when they beat them?
Because those carries netted yards and 1st downs from the get-go, and allowed for more.
Doh!!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Beach, knda like how some here are excited about JC simply because he’s better than Russell. Sad.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
For their first draft choice the Raiders will have the 44th to 50th pick depending how next week goes.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
djohnnyg says
IMO the Raiders tolerate losing waaay to easily.
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Its the result of 20 years of bad football.
You take what you can get. Plus the path forward for the Raiders is a little bit longer for obvious reasons.
The team is getting better…we should be happy about that
December 26th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
191.beach Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
I am definitely happy with the entire 2010 draft and free agent pickups. Let’s make sure we do it right again in 2011!
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That confirms it folks, the RAIDERS 2010 draft and FA’s were good. Bitceeh says it so it is so!
WOW B, how do you know these things? You are such a smart lil girl.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
Raiders #2 in Rushing
Indy #30 in Rush Defense
Daren McFadden 11 carries
Michael Bush 3 carries
December 26th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
210.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
Raiders #2 in Rushing
Indy #30 in Rush Defense
Daren McFadden 11 carries
Michael Bush 3 carries
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Yep, and not many up the middle??
December 26th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Tom Cable looks like the Raiders. That’s how they are.
Win with a lot of flaws and have to compensate for a lot decisions, philosophies and again flawed players.
The Raiders have to be brawlers…hopefully they can get the O-Line up to snuff.
They are not going to outscheme anyone, outcoach anyone…they have to out tough everyone.
Raider QBs are not going to be coaches on the field, the receivers are never going to be technicians..and they will always play vanilla man2man.
So having Cable makes sense. Be tough, limit turnovers and play hard.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
KK,
we already went down that path.
We only ran 25 plays the first half.
Almost half of them were runs.
You can’t rack up lots of carries when those carries are giving you 3 and outs.
I hope you’re just trolling and aren’t honestly confused about why the rush numbers aren’t high when we went 3 and out all 1st half.
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McFadden 11 carries
Bush 3 carries
For the whole friggin game, ok?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
I can see Pete Carroll taking Cam in the mid-1st round.
Whitehurst looks all sorts of suck.
He’s also 28 years old already.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Bill Belichick’s “system” was 0-2 before Brady took over in week 3 of 2001.
QBs make the system.
Well, good QBs do.
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it’s in there blood. You don’t teach these qb’s they teach you. I don’t even know why the colts have an offensive cordinator to be honest.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Yeah KK,
why on earth did we not keep running the ball in the 2nd half when DMac came out with injury, and we were losing, and running was just giving the ball back to Peyton Manning because it was causing us to go 3 and out?
Why didn’t we keep running into a brick wall and giving Peyton the ball? Why oh why???
December 26th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
All this 8-8 or 7-9 season has done for me has made me feel happy they aren’t a punchline anymore. That is definitely a positive thing. The Raiders are like a “real team” now with some legitimacy, which is cool and all, but IMO they could have been even much better. They are still waaaay too willing to accept and make excuses for losing, and pat themselves on the back for playing “almost” good enough.
The Raiders will get to the next level when stop settling for “almost” and take the “refuse to lose” attitude.
Isn’t that what the Raiders are “supposed” to be about anyway?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
That confirms it folks, the RAIDERS 2010 draft and FA’s were good. Bitceeh says it so it is so!
WOW B, how do you know these things? You are such a smart lil girl!
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I know a lot of things, Raccoon. It’s the Raiders best season in 8 years. How many games did you attend this season?
December 26th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Raiders need to resign Richard Seymour, Michael Bush, give a new contract to Shaugnessy, Henderson, Wimbley and Groves, Cartwright.
We need to keep some key pieces in place.
Raiders do need to improve their run Defense (on a more consistent basis-3/4 and zones will help this), improve the rout running ability of wideouts (coaching upgrade needed here) and improved and consistent play from QB position (here I think Al will listen to Hue and ask his thoughts regarding Jason, so I hope Jason broght Hue some of his leftover Christmas fruitcake).
December 26th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Yeah KK,
why on earth did we not keep running the ball in the 2nd half when DMac came out with injury, and we were losing, and running was just giving the ball back to Peyton Manning because it was causing us to go 3 and out?
Why didn’t we keep running into a brick wall and giving Peyton the ball? Why oh why???
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That’s a gawdamned lie. 42 pass attempts by your boy caused the 3 & Outs.
December 26th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
218.beach Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
That confirms it folks, the RAIDERS 2010 draft and FA’s were good. Bitceeh says it so it is so!
WOW B, how do you know these things? You are such a smart lil girl!
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I know a lot of things, Raccoon. It’s the Raiders best season in 8 years. How many games did you attend this season?
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Section 137 in the 30’s
December 26th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
They say DHB had a good game if he makes a down field block, for gawdsakes.
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EXACTLY!!!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:59 pm
good post Jm.
Manning will make any head coach in Indy look great.
Guys like Jim Caldwell and Mike Tomlin need to do anything they can to not end up leaving and tarnish their reputation.
Learn from Vince Lombardi leaving the Packers!
December 26th, 2010 at 11:59 pm
218.beach Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
That confirms it folks, the RAIDERS 2010 draft and FA’s were good. Bitceeh says it so it is so!
WOW B, how do you know these things? You are such a smart lil girl!
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I know a lot of things, Raccoon. It’s the Raiders best season in 8 years. How many games did you attend this season?
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Ok so you can read the W/L record from the last 8 years. Do you know any football?
December 27th, 2010 at 12:00 am
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Section 137 in the 30’s
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Very good. I’m in Section 119. We both want the Raiders to win. That’s what counts.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:00 am
Rivers made Norv a “playoff” coach!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:00 am
226.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:00 am
Rivers made Norv a “playoff” coach!
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Not this year.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:02 am
Raiders needed to run up the gut, the weakness of the Indy D, not to the outside where Freeney and Mathis can use their speed in helping their LBs make plays.
Those first few series Raiders should have knocked Indy on their asses even if it meant we got a couple unnecessary roughness calls.
This was the 2nd game in 4 weeks where Mr. Ford and the special teams spotted the Raiders seven points and we didn’t go for the jugular, if not 3 straight ahead running plays then we should have gone deep 3 times.
Raiders always played great when their backs were against the wall, when it counted, when it came to putting teams away (AZ, Jax, SF and Miami) we just didn’t make it happen.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:02 am
225.beach Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:00 am
I’m in Section 119.
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Prolly not.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:02 am
how easy is it to develop a good to great QB?
Raiders have done it once in 40 years!
The Raiders are a junkyard dog type team. It will never look pretty and the players rarely elite…but they can cobble together enough good players they can win.
JC is about the upper limit right now for them.
Bring in a UFA that Hue can work with and continue to strengthen the O-Line, 2nd CB, and wide receiver positions.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:03 am
KK, seriously, just stop posting, it decreases the intelligence here.
20 of those passes came in the last 2 drives down two scores.
Glad to know you’d still be running the ball instead though
December 27th, 2010 at 12:04 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-Ed-Reed-s-jacket-catches-fire-on-the-side?urn=nfl-300582
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Ed Reed had 2 picks. He is on fire!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:04 am
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:59 pm
Ok so you can read the W/L record from the last 8 years. Do you know any football?
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And yes, I’m positive the Raiders have had the worst Head Coaches and QBs in the NFL (besides Gruden and Gannon) the past 20 years! You will never see the Raiders win another Super Bowl under Al Davis!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Go eff yourself, Raccoon. You’re a bum.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:06 am
Retribution,
why do you and others feel we need to re-sign Bush?
Didn’t cast-off Rhodes just show us how easy it is to find a decent backup RB?
Why would we pay good $ to keep a RB with a 3.9 ypc average this year, and a 4.4 lifetime one?
Those numbers are average and can easily be replaced without having to spend millions on it.
RB has become the easiest position to fill in today’s NFL.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:08 am
that $ makes more sense going to a Vincent Jackson or O-line help.
The NFL and NCAA is filled with guys who can do what Bush has done (be average).
He had a chance to carry us in October, getting 26, 20, and 14 carries three weeks in a row, and he ended up with a 3.5 yard average those three weeks.
He’s soooo easily replaced.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:09 am
234.beach Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Go eff yourself, Raccoon. You’re a bum.
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Hey, keep yer skirt on sista, I just don’t think you know shiza about football.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:09 am
My Super Bowl prediction the 7-9 Seahawks defeat the Patriots, wouldn’t that make Chris Johnson’s (if he actually believed or made the commnet) seem prophetic.
I guarantee you the NFL would be making some changes, less divisions perhaps.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:11 am
Drew Stanton should be available as Matthew Stafford’s health returns. Drew is #3 in Detroit, good upside, big kid, big arm.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:12 am
236.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:08 am
that $ makes more sense going to a Vincent Jackson or O-line help.
The NFL and NCAA is filled with guys who can do what Bush has done (be average).
He had a chance to carry us in October, getting 26, 20, and 14 carries three weeks in a row, and he ended up with a 3.5 yard average those three weeks.
He’s soooo easily replaced.
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Yup, spend it on Miller, Seymore, VJ, RG/RT/C, CB… we have DMax, we can fine another Robin…
Batman is in the house!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:13 am
Raccoon, You are the one making a big deal about Rolando McClain. Nnamdi was horrible his first 2 seasons in the league, and a lot of you guys think he is now the 2nd coming! Why can’t McClain be a great linebacker? That’s my prediction!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:13 am
in October Bush had 26 for 104 against the Chargers in a key game…the Denver game was spot duty..
Bush is a good running back. Dont break the bank but certainly keep him
Plus the raiders are terrible at finding and replacing talent in a timely manner…especially depth
December 27th, 2010 at 12:15 am
And he has 76 tackles, 1 sack and 1 INT in 14 games compared to the “veteran” Kirk Morrison who has 76 tackles and 0 sacks and 0 INTs this season. He’s 21 years old and already superior to Morrison.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:15 am
239.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:11 am
Drew Stanton should be available as Matthew Stafford’s health returns. Drew is #3 in Detroit, good upside, big kid, big arm.
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Not big on hearing the words “upside” anymore.
JC is the best we got and are going to get. Get a UFA for Hue to work with next year
December 27th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Here you go:
Mike White, Joe Bugel, Art Shell, Norv Turner, Bill Callahan, Lane Kiffin, Tom Cable.
Aaron Brooks, Kerry Collins, Tui, Donald Hollas, Daunte Culpepper, Cade McNown, Jeff George, Billy Joe Hobert, Jamarcus Russell, Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Rob Johnson.
Beach wins!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:17 am
SnB,
wouldn’t a UFA have “upside” and nothing more?
At least Stanton was a 2nd round pick who has looked good in limited action. Just stuck in a numbers game with Stafford and Shaun Hill.
That has a much, much, higher chance of working out than some QB no team wants over 7 rounds.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:18 am
241.beach Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:13 am
Raccoon, You are the one making a big deal about Rolando McClain. Nnamdi was horrible his first 2 seasons in the league, and a lot of you guys think he is now the 2nd coming! Why can’t McClain be a great linebacker? That’s my prediction!
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RoMc is an ok MLB, and he should get better. He has not played up to his billing and being the 8th over all pick.
McClian can be great, and I hope he does.
To “predict” McClain (8th pick 2010) is GOING to be a good player, is like predicting the U.S. economy is not gonna get better in a hurry.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:18 am
Tom Cable says after the game:
“we really wanted a chance to see if we could be a playoff team this year.”
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Why does he say stuff like this? They DID have the chance. MANY CHANCES, but they were all blown. Don’t tell me you didn’t have chances as if it was all out of your control. It was right there for the taking.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:19 am
Tom Brady wants that 4th ring and I don’t see any defense out there that can stop him. I will root for the Saints to win again!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:19 am
243.beach Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:15 am
And he has 76 tackles, 1 sack and 1 INT in 14 games compared to the “veteran” Kirk Morrison who has 76 tackles and 0 sacks and 0 INTs this season. He’s 21 years old and already superior to Morrison.
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Superior?
December 27th, 2010 at 12:20 am
249.beach Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:19 am
Tom Brady wants that 4th ring and I don’t see any defense out there that can stop him. I will root for the Saints to win again!
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I knew you wernt a real RAIDER fan!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:22 am
243.beach Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:15 am
And he has 76 tackles, 1 sack and 1 INT in 14 games compared to the “veteran” Kirk Morrison who has 76 tackles and 0 sacks and 0 INTs this season. He’s 21 years old and already superior to Morrison.
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Are you a 20ish, thinly built, single white guy Bitceeh?
December 27th, 2010 at 12:22 am
245.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Here you go:
Mike White, Joe Bugel, Art Shell, Norv Turner, Bill Callahan, Lane Kiffin, Tom Cable.
Aaron Brooks, Kerry Collins, Tui, Donald Hollas, Daunte Culpepper, Cade McNown, Jeff George, Billy Joe Hobert, Jamarcus Russell, Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Rob Johnson.
Beach wins!
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How does Al Davis sleep at night when he sees this list? I feel nauseated seeing these names!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:25 am
Al put together a better team than what performed on the field. I look forward to the announcement after the KC game that Tom Cable will not be back to coach the Oakland Raiders.
He had his chance. Personnel wise this SHOULD HAVE BEEN a playoff team.
I thank Tom for trying. He put alot into this, but in the end I think they could have done better. They should have.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:25 am
Beeeeech, Morrison had 116tot, 91TKL, 25AST, and 2 Pdef in his rookie year. We see how that turned out.
His first year as MLB was not much better. BUT on paper that is pretty darn good!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:27 am
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:22 am
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You’re getting personal, and extremely way off in your guessing. I saw with my own 2 eyes the Raiders win 3 Super Bowls. That’s as much info from me as you deserve. So, I know the difference between when Al Davis had a GM and won, and a disabled 81 year old trying to run a multimillion dollar NFL franchise and losing.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:29 am
My team is OUT of the playoffs, and I rooted for New Orleans to win last year. I have no problem stating that I would want New Orleans to win again.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:32 am
I hate the pats hope they don’t go to the superbowl. It would be so awesome to watch the playoffs if the raiders where in it but we have Campbell and players on d that give up big plays. Imagine if Campbell had new englands offensive line he may just might be a decent nevermind he would still suck.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:35 am
I can care less about Kirk Morrison. He’s in Jacksonville now, and he was a failure with the Raiders. End of discussion, please!
December 27th, 2010 at 12:38 am
We have a defensive coordinator who can’t make adjustments against quality football teams. That’s why I don’t want him back. Also let’s remember: when the game began, the Raider season was over. Indy had everything to play for.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:41 am
The more I think about it, the more I wouldn’t mind seeing OLB Greg Jones be the second round pick. A solid run-stopper and a guy who is fast enough to hold up in coverage would be an asset at the WLB spot.
Still, part of me also would like to see Jake Locker fall to the Raiders, with a solid possession WR like Pettis being the third round pick.
I’m still holding out hope that the Raiders make a move for Jonathan Joseph. Tired of seeing Routt and Johnson be abused in the end zone.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:46 am
YoungAmerican Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:41 am
I’m still holding out hope that the Raiders make a move for Jonathan Joseph. Tired of seeing Routt and Johnson be abused in the end zone.
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I totally agree. We need another quality corner opposite of Nnamdi. I don’t even want to see Chris Johnson on the team next year.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:49 am
How is a 6′1 CB with 4.2-40yd speed beaten multiple times by a backup TE?
December 27th, 2010 at 12:51 am
It’s starting to look like Branch is another weak link in the secondary. His play started to improve after a rough start to the season, but the last couple weeks it seems like he’s lost his focus.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:52 am
Hey, the bottom line was that we got an up and down season with 7, possibly 8 victories. An improvement, but no time to sit back and feel great about this. We have to improve to be a 10+ win team. Anybody that wants to rely on stats to think we have a good defense is totally misguided. The offense gets an A for improvement over the last 7 years; defense a B- for slightly better, and special teams gets a few grades: A+ for Jacoby Ford, A- for Lecheler, and C for Seabass and the rest of the group.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:55 am
Young, any idea how Joseph did against the Chargers? should have been a good test for him.
December 27th, 2010 at 1:06 am
263.beach Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:46 am
YoungAmerican Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 12:41 am
I’m still holding out hope that the Raiders make a move for Jonathan Joseph. Tired of seeing Routt and Johnson be abused in the end zone.
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I totally agree. We need another quality corner opposite of Nnamdi. I don’t even want to see Chris Johnson on the team next year.
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When are you gonna say sompin that has not been said here 100 times? I am still waiting for your “football” knowledge to shine through.
December 27th, 2010 at 4:32 am
Raiders 43
KC 17
December 27th, 2010 at 4:37 am
I was suprised we didnt run it up the middle. That seems to be our usual gameplan. We have ran into some stought linemen and had success. We also ran into some like the Steelers where no matter how many times Hue tried it, it did not work.
December 27th, 2010 at 4:39 am
the Colts had 170+ rushing yards from 3 different RB’s on the NFL’s worst run offense that came in averaging 85 ground yards per contest
171 and a TD on 35 carries
DB’s Huff, Branch, Mitchell & Routt all had more tackles than McClain
I’m sick of YOU PEOPLE praising this heap of trash!
JFB and a few others said “he made a few plays in coverage” Well whoopty freeaking doo man! if he was that great in coverage why didn’t they put him on backup TE Jacob Tamme? that guy looked like Dallas Clark yesterday!
December 27th, 2010 at 4:49 am
You can bet we will run it up the gut against the red a holes
December 27th, 2010 at 4:52 am
the Colts got Pat Angerer at the bottom of Round 2 (63rd overall) and he has outplayed McBust.
Can we trade him and start Goethel next year ???
December 27th, 2010 at 4:55 am
Dominek f&^%in rhodes looked like a probowler
That pissed me off more then anything.
I can handle Addai and Brown doing it but not Rhodes
December 27th, 2010 at 5:24 am
Put it this way guys … Peyton Manning is a better coach than our entire coaching staff combined … nuff said
December 27th, 2010 at 5:25 am
final score next week
Raiders: Who cares?
Chefs: Who cares?
December 27th, 2010 at 5:32 am
never fails … just when you think the Raiders are getting pretty good, they run into a good (not even great) team like the Dolts and they get dominated on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball … Think about it, we got dominated on both sides of the ball by Miami’s lines … We are still a very run-of-the-mill team … that’s reality … JC is so average … how many TDs did he get yesterday … Oh, that’s right, one when the game was already decided … blah blah blah … same old crap
December 27th, 2010 at 5:53 am
JFB and a few others said “he made a few plays in coverage” Well whoopty freeaking doo man! if he was that great in coverage why didn’t they put him on backup TE Jacob Tamme?
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They did one time, and it lead to an INT.
He was directly related to both INT’s. How many INT’s did the other 10 guys contribute to?
I did see him get lost on a few running plays. But McClain doesn’t strike me as a “guess” ad-lib type of guy, I think he was hitting his gap, and than the other ones were wide open.
Either way, not his best game by any means, but he made some plays and helped the defense get off the field and put the offense in a good position.
December 27th, 2010 at 5:55 am
Alex7
agreed about JC suddenly finding pocket awareness. Either he has it, can be coached up on it or he is out. I’m not sold on Grads becuase of injury issues. I think the mind is willing but the body can’t hold up to his style of play. I hope he adjusts his game this offseason. Maybe learns how to slide.
December 27th, 2010 at 5:56 am
Turning point in the game was the first 5 drives by each team in the second half.
Colts went INT, 3 and out, 4 and out, TD, INT (inside the 35).
5 drives, 2 turnovers on their own side of the field, two quick punts and one TD.
We went FG, punt, punt, punt, FG.
Outscored 7-6 during this stretch, Colts got the ball afterwards and scored a TD and it was ballgame.
Offense has to capitilize when you finally get some headway on Peyton. You can’t do it for 60 minutes, just isn’t going to happen.
December 27th, 2010 at 6:01 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 4:39 am
the Colts had 170+ rushing yards from 3 different RB’s on the NFL’s worst run offense that came in averaging 85 ground yards per contest
171 and a TD on 35 carries
DB’s Huff, Branch, Mitchell & Routt all had more tackles than McClain
I’m sick of YOU PEOPLE praising this heap of trash!
JFB and a few others said “he made a few plays in coverage” Well whoopty freeaking doo man! if he was that great in coverage why didn’t they put him on backup TE Jacob Tamme? that guy looked like Dallas Clark yesterday!
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You dont think Seymour being out, and Houston playing DT for the first time all year hurt us? You dont think Jarvis Moss being the same ineffective player that Dungver released hurt? You dont think Wimbley and Groves played like crap? Nope its ALL McClains fault. Did he play a great game? No… Name one player in the Silver and Black that did. They all sucked. You say it was poor DLine play when Morrison sucked, but its McClains fault when the DLine cant stop scrubs up the middle? Its McClains fault the second best rushing team in football carried the ball half as many times as the WORST running team in football. Its McClains fault that NO ONE on our Defense even got NEAR Peyton? We realize you dont like McClain and you are entitled to your opinion but to say the kid is a bust is just play ignorance and you know it. Ignorance like that would have had DMac wearing a Broncos uniform and leading the NFL in rushing too
December 27th, 2010 at 6:05 am
Offense has to capitilize when you finally get some headway on Peyton. You can’t do it for 60 minutes, just isn’t going to happen.
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Yeah no your wrong. Its McClains fault the offense couldnt score.
December 27th, 2010 at 6:08 am
[...] to the Contra Costa Times, Darren McFadden suffered an ankle injury in the third quarter of Sunday’s loss to the Colts. [...]
December 27th, 2010 at 6:18 am
After over 90 games of pathetic run D, Rockstar was willing to give Kirk another 16 games.
AFter 15 games (and really it didn’t take that long) Rockstar has seen enough of McClain.
Can we give the guy the same amount of time we gave Morrison, at the very least?
December 27th, 2010 at 6:24 am
JFB,
Morrison is a 6th year starter.
McClain will be out of the league by 2014.
Write that down
December 27th, 2010 at 6:24 am
Same guy that still thinks JLH is a Pro Bowl calibur WR. Interestingly enough, however, we WAS right about Chaz making his first catch in Week 16
December 27th, 2010 at 6:25 am
Good Morning nation!!!
This is what I saw yesterday too…
sec144r18 Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Anyone who was at the game saw a few things:
1) There was a lot of pressure up the middle and at the edges.
2) If you don’t think that Richard Seymour was worth a first round pick – then you missed the game today. Our front four missed him.
3) Our safety play continues to be suspect – Tyvon Branch – you lead the team in tackles, but you missed 2 or three every game.
4) DHB caught two catches with his hands (instead of his body – that was a vast improvement), but our wide receivers don’t bounce free very often.
5) Hue Jackson probably called his way into not getting a head coaching job. Too much passing and edge rushing on a suspect run defense. The game was close – why abandon the run.
6) Jason Campbell is not going to lose us any games, but he isn’t going to win us any games either – and he is far better than Gradkowski.
I started the year saying 8-8 would make me happy.
I stand by my words.
P.S. – We need to not put ourselves in a position where two crappy Pass Interference calls give the other team 14 points.
PPS – I can’t stand Colts fans.
PPPS – We are getting closer.
December 27th, 2010 at 6:26 am
Well, Nation here we are. In the spirit of the season, I’m gonna try to deliver some optimism.
This is almost exactly the situation we found ourselves in at the end of 1999. 7-8 headed into an away game against a hated division rival, the KC Chiefs. Then, as now, a win most likely means the head coach stays and a loss means he goes.
The Chiefs’ regular season is done. No matter what they might say, they’ve got the division sewn up and a bye is highly, highly unlikely. They’ve got nothing left to play for, really. This is our Super Bowl. The Raiders will be up for it.
Go into KC, win, save the head coach’s job. It all happened in 1999. In 2000, the team was 12-4 and went to the AFC Championship game.
Look, we all know Cable’s flaws, and he has his share of them. But the fact remains, he’s lifted this team from the 5-wins-or-less gutter it was in the past 7 years to a .500 ballclub. That’s progress and you can’t take it away from him.
Finish the season at 8-8, keep Cable. Have a good off-season and draft. And then…who knows?
We can (and surely will) argue about how the off-season and draft should go. What’s the greatest need along the offensive line? Can we get a veteran corner? Should a QB be drafted? And on and on and on.
But won’t it be nice to have those discussions in the context of “What can make us a playoff team?” rather than “What can lift us out of the NFL’s sewer?”
More reason for optimism: the last 4 games Jason Campbell is 75 for 114 for 910 yards, 5 TDs and 2 INTs. That’s a 65.7 completion percentage and a 97.5 QB Rating. He’s thrown at least 1 TD pass in all of those and gone interception-less in 3 of them.
Like Cable, no one can argue Campbell has his flaws. But those numbers are right there in black and white, and you can’t take them away from him either. There is a noticeable upward trend in his game right now. Maybe those saying all he needs is an off-season in the same system are on to something. I was skeptical. Now? Not as much.
Jared Veldheer is further reason for optimism. He’s faced 4 really amazing pass rushers so far: Tamba Hali, James Harrison, Cameron Wake and Dwight Freeney. He’s shown the same pattern in all of them: gets off to a very shaky start and gets beat a lot. But as the game goes on, he settles down and starts holding his own better. In other words, he’s learning in the school of hard knocks and appears to be an apt pupil. Give him an off-season to work and learn and watch out.
There are things about this season that’ll drive you nuts if you think about them too much, particularly the Arizona, San Francisco and Jacksonville games. “What if” is always a dangerous road to start down because it inevitably leads to nothing good. It’s still probably the residual effects of too much eggnog, but I’m feeling good despite the loss yesterday. Too damn much negativity the past 8 years, I’m gonna kick back, relax and hope they bury the damn Chiefs next Sunday in Arrowhead.
Finish .500 and suddenly the perception is of a team that’s clearly on its way up. The kind of place free agents want to come to (and stay in.) It really, really is our Super Bowl next week. Fitting that it’s the last game of the season. Let’s try to enjoy the ride.
December 27th, 2010 at 6:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 6:24 am
JFB,
Morrison is a 6th year starter.
McClain will be out of the league by 2014.
Write that down
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You are ridiculous. You take credibility away from everything you type when you say dumb things like that dude.
December 27th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Wow…you still think McClain sucks…out of 3 tackles for a loss…he did get one…haha!
Anyways, we found out 2 things over the last 3 weeks…
McClain out against the Jags…it showed
Seymour out against the Colts…it showed…
December 27th, 2010 at 6:28 am
JFB,
Morrison is a 6th year starter.
McClain will be out of the league by 2014.
Write that down
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It is forever etched in my elephant memory
December 27th, 2010 at 6:30 am
Its McClains fault the offense couldnt score
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26 points = Cant score?
26 pts would have given us wins over the 49ers & Cardinals! Then we’re talking about next weeks winner = AFC West Champ
Seymour was injured. Henderson had 11 tackles. Kelly leads the team in sacks and Jerry Mac used his name & Pro Bowl in the same sentence last week. ShoNasty is a beast. We traded a 3rd for Wimbley & a 5th for Groves. McClain was drafted in the top 10 for one purpose. To fix the RUN DEFENSE. We are ranked 29th! You’re satisfied with that?
December 27th, 2010 at 6:32 am
If you want my opinion (and surely you all do), I say keep Cable, keep Hue, keep Campbell. Fix the right side of the o-line, plug the holes in the secondary, and shore up the defensive line depth. Then stand back and watch out.
Next week: Raiders 28 – Chiefs 19. Happy New Year!
December 27th, 2010 at 6:36 am
Jags run defense = 17th
they have 8 wins, we have 7.
they beat us in WK 14 …
Morrison has 60 solo tackles, McClain has 51
$40 million = money well spent, right fellas?
Meanwhile, our O-Line has given up 40 sacks in the first 15 games!
December 27th, 2010 at 6:37 am
BBL – busy work day.
only worked 3 days last week & 4 this week (holidays)
December 27th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Chiefs will play all their rookies and I’m sure sit or barely play: Bowe, Derrick Johnson, Cassel, Thomas Jones and countless others.
And I will guarantee you that Campbell plays his best game of the year. Did the same thing last year, when his last game of the year was against the Chargers who sat everybody, and he played really well.
December 27th, 2010 at 6:40 am
I’m really disappointed the Chargers lost to be quite honest.
I hate preseason football, and that is what next week will be, week 17 preseason football.
I was hoping they would win, we would beat the Chiefs to scare the piss out of them, and than the Chargers would get Tebowed in Denver.
December 27th, 2010 at 6:44 am
26 points = Cant score?
26 pts would have given us wins over the 49ers & Cardinals! Then we’re talking about next weeks winner = AFC West Champ
Seymour was injured. Henderson had 11 tackles. Kelly leads the team in sacks and Jerry Mac used his name & Pro Bowl in the same sentence last week. ShoNasty is a beast. We traded a 3rd for Wimbley & a 5th for Groves. McClain was drafted in the top 10 for one purpose. To fix the RUN DEFENSE. We are ranked 29th! You’re satisfied with that?
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Offense didnt score 26. 4 FGs and a KOR TD do not make for a good offensive showing dude and you know it. The 29th ranking is due in large part to the inability to stop the “big play”. Thats a problem that has preceeded McClain by 7 years.
December 27th, 2010 at 6:45 am
truthfully…I hope KC comes to play and we beat them at their best! If not anything for now but bragging rights…
I used to think John Marshall was going to get it done here…wasn’t he DC in Seattle when they almost beat Pitt? (Correct me if I’m wrong)…
Anyways…ot sure about that anymore, but have we raised enough credibility to have a good DC come here besides Rob Ryan (who only wants to come back as a HC). Do you guys think Singletary would come here to coach up our linebackers?
December 27th, 2010 at 6:47 am
Our offense really generated one FG outside of our TD drive in garbage time.
7 points for a Jacoby TD, two FG’s off turnovers from our defense, and a 30 yard drive that was bailed out by a 59 yard FG.
We ended up with a whole 8 more yard than we did in the Miami game. We were pathetic on offense!!!!
December 27th, 2010 at 6:50 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 6:47 am
Our offense really generated one FG outside of our TD drive in garbage time.
7 points for a Jacoby TD, two FG’s off turnovers from our defense, and a 30 yard drive that was bailed out by a 59 yard FG.
We ended up with a whole 8 more yard than we did in the Miami game. We were pathetic on offense!!!!
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TRUTH
December 27th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Our offense really generated one FG outside of our TD drive in garbage time.
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Because Hue wasn’t trying to score.
Screen wasn’t working, kept calling it.
Not much running up the middle where a starting DT was out.
Reverse to Marcel Reece???????
December 27th, 2010 at 6:58 am
Speaking of screens …
Why don’t we ever see a middle screen?
December 27th, 2010 at 7:01 am
So is there any chance Marvin Lewis would come here to be Hue’s DC?
December 27th, 2010 at 7:11 am
Jhill,
hope you and your family had a beautiful Christmas …
didn’t Marvin Lewis run a 3-4 Defense in Baltimore?
December 27th, 2010 at 7:13 am
Reverse to Marcel Reece???????
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A reverse to Marcel Reece with Zack Miller as the lead-blocker!!!
Amazing that it actually generated 4 yards.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:15 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 6:25 am
Good Morning nation!!!
This is what I saw yesterday too…
sec144r18 Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Anyone who was at the game saw a few things:
but our wide receivers don’t bounce free very often.
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Don’t know why some people refuse to acknowledge this.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:16 am
LOL @ BCZ & JFB trying to pick apart how points were scored …
did we get a safety? did the defense return a fumble or INT back for a TD? Nope
the RAIDERS scored 26 points. doesn’t matter how. It’s a team sport, isn’t it?
Fact is, we couldn’t stop the run and thats why we lost
McClain was drafted to stop the run, so he didn’t do his job imo. a few deflected passes don’t make a stud MLB
Gary Brackett is 5″11″ 235 lbs – he went UNDRAFTED. he outplayed McBust by far yesterday.
JFB, how does that factor in to your height/weight/speed thing (you used as a reason McClain is better than Goethel – who we’ve seen very little of) ???
December 27th, 2010 at 7:19 am
Thanks RRS …
Same to you mayne!
Al ran a 3-4 too!
December 27th, 2010 at 7:19 am
– Some Raiders actually seemed confused that they weren’t going to get a shot at the playoffs even if they run the table in the division.
Johnson said he even heard a rumor the league would make a rule change of some sort to reward teams that went unbeaten in division play but didn’t make the playoffs.
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Dumbest team in America.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:19 am
LOL @ BCZ & JFB trying to pick apart how points were scored …
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I am.
Defense/ST created 13 points
Offense created 13 points
December 27th, 2010 at 7:20 am
But Lewis has had a 4-3 in Cincy. And I think he could deliver Joseph to play opposite Nnamdi.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Good morning all.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:21 am
Fact is, we couldn’t stop the run and thats why we lost
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First half, we get a 59 yard FG, a kickoff return for a TD, hold the Colts to 55 yards on 14 carries………..
And we were losing.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:22 am
Well, 8-8 (taking the KC win for granted, we will be playing their practice squad)….not bad, but considering the level of play in the AFC West and NFC West it is actually pretty disappointing.
A real coaching staff would have had us at 10-6 at least.
Bye Bye Cable, Marshall, Roll, Fassel and Lal!
December 27th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Johnson said he even heard a rumor the league would make a rule change of some sort to reward teams that went unbeaten in division play but didn’t make the playoffs.
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I will stick with my initial assessment that the reason CJ did not pass the concussion tests earlier this year because he was just plain dumb.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:24 am
I’ll give Rolo a pass.Without a good Dline you’re in the hurt locker.How good would Lewis or Urlacher be without help up front.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:24 am
McClain was drafted to stop the run, so he didn’t do his job imo.
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Peyton Manning saw the Big Nickle defense, audibled to the run, and took the 5 yards plus that formation advantage gave them.
Peyton Manning smarter than John Marshall is pretty much what that was.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:25 am
Any team that gives up that many rushing yards to the Colts (Rhodes almost 100 yards!) is a bad rushing D. As Priesttj would say….PERIOD.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Chiefs in WK17:
QB Croyle, Palko
RB Battle, Castille
WR Chambers, Copper, Tucker, Lawrence
TE Pope, O’Connell
December 27th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Peyton Manning smarter than John Marshall is pretty much what that was.
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Says it all.Couldn’t agree more.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Gasol and Artest for Melo and Nene.
Make it happen Mitch!!!!!
December 27th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Run D was awful in the second half, no doubt about it.
But they were pretty solid in the first half and we were still losing, even with 10 gifted ST points.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Cassel, Charles, Jones, Bowe, McCluster & Moeaki will sit imo
Hali, Johnson & Berry may sit on Defense …
December 27th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Given McClain’s draft position, he certainly was a disappointment. He doesn’t make much of an impact out there, and often times he is out of position or is easily taken out of the play. Hopefully he gets better, but he plays slow and will never be a great MLB. Hopefully he can become an above-average MLB.
Charlie Casserly warned us the night before the draft….said the guy doesn’t make many plays and can’t shed blocks…very true.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:30 am
did the Lakers win on Christmas?
I missed that …
December 27th, 2010 at 7:31 am
Really not sure ’bout the chiefs game.I wouldn’t want to go into the play-offs with a loss to a bitter rival.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:31 am
323.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Gasol and Artest for Melo and Nene.
Make it happen Mitch!!!!!
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How about Bynum, Blake and Artest for Melo, Billups and Nene?
lol
The Lakers are toast. It was a great run though.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:33 am
Would Wade Phillips make Rolo a better player?
December 27th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Almost every rookie improves in their 2nd year. It’s the leap to the 3rd year that makes or breaks a career.
Like at Jamarcus. He improved his second year, and than fell apart in his 3rd.
DHB is much better this year, but will he improve a whole lot next year?
Look for McClain to improve next year, but will he make the leap to very good MLB in year 3?
We shall see.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Since the 49ers fired Mike Singletary, he could be our D-coordinator!
December 27th, 2010 at 7:35 am
the Patriots & Steelers will have 1st round byes.
I don’t see the Chiefs beating the Ravens, Jets or Colts …
We’re Good!
December 27th, 2010 at 7:35 am
# KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
The GM/Owner likes certain type of Football that we’re not very good at.
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Well put. Unlike every other smart GM in the league, Al still tries to pigeonhole talent to fit his anachronistic “systems” from the 60s & 70s, rather than vice versa.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:35 am
The Lakers are toast. It was a great run though.
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Yup.
Trading Sasha threw the season right down the toilet!
December 27th, 2010 at 7:36 am
JFB,
I hope he can, but I don’t think you can learn or develop instincts and speed. You either have them or you don’t. McClain doesn’t.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Singletary!!
December 27th, 2010 at 7:40 am
Speed you can’t develop, but instincts you can.
He had great instincts on the CJ interception. That was a great play!!
One play won’t do it though, we need more than that.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:41 am
Let’s not over react to a rookie MLB being schooled by Peyton Manning.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:45 am
Here are the jobs that will be open next season IMO:
Dallas
Minny
Carolina
SF
Miami
Browns
Bungholes
Houston
Dungver
SD
Oakland
Tenn
I think Cowher ends up in Miami. Gruden in Minny. Mike Martz in Houston. Jeff Fisher ends up in San Diego.
What do you guys think?
December 27th, 2010 at 7:45 am
Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Since the 49ers fired Mike Singletary, he could be our D-coordinator!
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I was thinking the same thing however, can he be a real dco? What is the defense that he would run? Do we have the personel for that defense? thats just to start, is he a real X’s and O’s type of a guy?
December 27th, 2010 at 7:47 am
Officially 8 years now I’ve been saying ‘Stop the f–ing RUN!!!”
December 27th, 2010 at 7:48 am
“Oakland’s 5-0 record in the AFC West is as commendable as its 2-8 record outside the division is mystifying. Routs over San Diego, Seattle and Denver are negated by puzzling losses to Arizona, Houston, the 49ers and Miami”.
From Monte Poole.The season in one paragraph.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:49 am
Singletary and Cable on the same staff??
LMAO!!!
The NFL’s elite franchises are run by a bunch of egg-heads, not guys that think the answer to everything is to just “keep on fighting”.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:50 am
I don’t think that Sigletary can be a good DC because he is not an X O guy…but I’ll take him to replace that LB coach we have! But maybe a better DC???
December 27th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Dakota….
Gruden in Dallas.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:52 am
……and you missed off Washington!
December 27th, 2010 at 7:52 am
346.neilb Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Dakota….
Gruden in Dallas.
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I originally thought that too…..but do you think he wants anything to do with Al Davis Jr., aka Jerry Jones? That would be the glamorous job though….
December 27th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Guys I was kidding about Singletary….that guy is nuts.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Dakota…
I think he wouldn’t be able to turn it down if Jerry offered it to him.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:54 am
Being nuts might help.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:55 am
Johnson said he even heard a rumor the league would make a rule change of some sort to reward teams that went unbeaten in division play but didn’t make the playoffs.
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I hope if you win all 6 MaddenRaider gets banned for good.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:55 am
Depends on when these guys get their labor-deal in tact.
Until than, I doubt any owners(outside of maybe Jerry Jones) will sign a coach until there is resolution.
And if there no resolution until May or so, I don’t see Cowher or Gruden scrambling around to find a job and have a tiny window to implement a system.
They would just wait it out another year, IMO.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:56 am
Singletary was a great player. That does not necessarily translate to good coach. He’s already demonstrated that he’s not HC material. Does that mean he’ll be a good DC? I really don’t know but something tells me NOT. We do need a new DC. Wasn’t Wade Phillips a good DC in his earlier career? He may be worth a look.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:56 am
Damn, I didn’t win Ron Artest’s championship ring….what a schytty sports weekend!
December 27th, 2010 at 7:58 am
I wanted Mike Nolan when he was available,I’d take Wade Phillips right now.
December 27th, 2010 at 7:59 am
Any truth to the rumor of Terrelle Pryor switching to TE?
December 27th, 2010 at 7:59 am
I’m all for putting TC back to O-line coach and bringing Gruden back. He was made for the Raiders. Chucky just fits.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:00 am
I hope Denver hires Wade Phillips back. We owned those Bronco teams!
December 27th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Any truth to the rumor of Terrelle Pryor switching to TE?
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Mel Kiper was floating that one around, just like Kapernick as a WR.
Can’t see it, especially with those same rumors about Tebow, than he gets drafted in the first round and throws for 300+ yards in his second start.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:02 am
December 27th, 2010 at 8:00 am
I hope Denver hires Wade Phillips back. We owned those Bronco teams!
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Only if it’s at Head coach.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:04 am
the RAIDERS scored 26 points. doesn’t matter how. It’s a team sport, isn’t it?
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How do you type this sentence in the SAME post as saying its McClains fault the run defense sucks?
December 27th, 2010 at 8:05 am
So if Carolina drafts Andrew Luck, should we try and get Claussen?
December 27th, 2010 at 8:05 am
We had at least 6 games where our D allowed 30+ points to be scored on us. We still haven’t consistently stopped the run. Our Defense needs work and so does our DC. That coaching spot must be upgraded. Our ST coaching was poor at the start of the year but lately, ST have been respectable for the most-part.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:08 am
J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 8:05 am
So if Carolina drafts Andrew Luck, should we try and get Claussen?
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Its looking more and more likely that Luck stays for his 4th year.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:09 am
If they beat KC they end up in 2nd instead of last, that’s something not done in 8 years.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:11 am
JFB,
Was taking a stab at the stats thing. Took a look at Matt Ryan vs Jason Campbell. 2 QBs with a dominant running game.
Differences that stand out to me are Roddy White and the fact that their defense held teams to under 21 pts ELEVEN times.
Thoughts ????
December 27th, 2010 at 8:13 am
Bringing in Champ Baily would really help solidify our D. Add to that a run stuffing DT who can also pass rush. Lastly, Groves & Branch are not the answers at LB & Safety respectively. Move Tyvon Branch back to ST gunner. Thomas Howard may still be the answer at WSLB. Move Stevie Brown into the starting safety position.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:14 am
If Al is going to fire Cable (I know, he would just not renew his contract, but it is the same thing) and hire a new guy he can’t foook around like he usually does. Cable needs to get his walking papers next week and the hiring process needs to start right then and there. No waiting for the college bowls to end. No waiting for Al to wake up and get to the office by 4 pm. This can’t drag on into February with the lockout looming. The new HC has to be in place right away and needs to start working on 2011 immediately.
This fantasy that an 8-8 record and another 3rd place finish is some great leap from a 5-11 record and a 3rd place finish while playing the patsy AFC West and NFC West, needs to be quashed right now. We did improve this year thanks to Hue Jackson taking over the offense, but Cable had little to do with it. Keep Cable (and Marshall) and we regress next year when we don’t get to play the NFC West, and we certainly are not going 6-0 in our division again next year. KC will be stronger, as will SD after they get healthy and fire Norv.
My hope is that this 8-8 season makes the job more appealing for a legit HC candidate. This is our chance to get a coach that could make a real difference for our future. Keeping Cable is just treading water. The guy doesn’t have any answers.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:14 am
# neilb Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 7:58 am
I wanted Mike Nolan when he was available,I’d take Wade Phillips right now.
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Yeah, let’s bring in career 3-4 guys to coach Al Davis’ 4-3 Cover 0 with rare blitzing. Sounds like a great idea. Rob Ryan worked out spectacularly, didn’t he?
December 27th, 2010 at 8:14 am
Off for some dinner.
Have a great Monday everyone.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:16 am
366.RaiderTW Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 8:09 am
If they beat KC they end up in 2nd instead of last, that’s something not done in 8 years.
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No we don’t. We only finish second if we beat KC and SD loses to the lowly Broncos.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:19 am
You sure Young American ’bout that 3-4 ? Just asking.Nolan or Phillips would be an instant upgrade over Marshall.
…….and Ryan was a bum.Rode the coat tails of Bilicheat.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Differences that stand out to me are Roddy White and the fact that their defense held teams to under 21 pts ELEVEN times.
Thoughts ????
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First thing that jumps out to me:
Ryan 25 TD’s to 12 turnovers ; over 2-1
JC 12 TD’s to 9 turnovers ; not quite 1.5-1
Yes Roddy makes a huge difference, and so does there defense so not entirely fair. Plus I would say, from the ol’ eyeball test, Ryan plays his best football at the end of games and always seems under control. JC, not so much.
One thing about Campbell’s stats is his sub 60% completion. 3 straight years +60 in Washington, and under 60% here.
I think the “Raider” system is not condusive to completing a high percentage of passes.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:21 am
SD loses to the lowly Broncos.
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I highly doubt that Norv is going to get anything close to max effort from a team that is playing for nothing.
Broncos might win by 20.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:21 am
…….and we played 3-4 in superbowl 18,so Al will play it.Just saying.
Later Nation!
December 27th, 2010 at 8:22 am
Sign free agent RG Harvey Dahl and RT Ryan Harris to shore up the right side of the line, make a run at CB Jonathan Joseph, WR James Jones and/or WR Vincent Jackson.
Re-sign guys like Seymour, Miller, Gallery, and if possible Bush or Huff. Bring Satele and maybe John Henderson and Khalif Barnes back on the cheap.
With another halfway decent draft, you’d be looking at a team that has the talent to play with the better teams in the league.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Nolan runs a 3-4 defense as does Wade Phillips. If Al was serious about converting to a 3-4 then I would love either of those guys as our DC, but Al isn’t going to allow that to happen.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:25 am
Campbell 30 sacks taken
Ryan 21 sacks taken
Don’t know where to find QB hits taken.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:25 am
376.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 8:21 am
SD loses to the lowly Broncos.
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I highly doubt that Norv is going to get anything close to max effort from a team that is playing for nothing.
Broncos might win by 20.
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I think Philip Rivers will have them motivated. He seems to have it out for Denver.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:25 am
There are some guys on the roster who could work in a 3-4, but the next two drafts would have to be all for LB and DL depth. And there are a lot of other holes to fill on the team.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:26 am
Interesting stat on Campbell in wins and losses.
His yards per pass attempt in losses he goes:
4.9 Tenn
4.0 SF
3.7 Pitt
5.5 Indy
5.8 Rams (not a loss but a benching)
*Does deserve credit for the 10.8 against Jax
In his wins:
8.8 SD1
10.2 Den1
11.5 Sea
6.9 KC
7.3 SD2
9.2 Den2
The checkdown does not work!!!! Fkn fling it down the field, and maybe sacrifice one turnover for a few plays and maybe a PI call throughout the game.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:29 am
J,
Can’t find them per player but here is per team:
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&archive=false&d-447263-o=2&qualified=true&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT&d-447263-n=1
December 27th, 2010 at 8:29 am
The checkdown does not work!!!!
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Do you consider the screen and passes to Miller checkdown’s?
December 27th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Interesting stat on Campbell in wins and losses.
His yards per pass attempt in losses he goes:
4.9 Tenn
4.0 SF
3.7 Pitt
5.5 Indy
5.8 Rams (not a loss but a benching)
*Does deserve credit for the 10.8 against Jax
In his wins:
8.8 SD1
10.2 Den1
11.5 Sea
6.9 KC
7.3 SD2
9.2 Den2
The checkdown does not work!!!! Fkn fling it down the field, and maybe sacrifice one turnover for a few plays and maybe a PI call throughout the game.
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Those statistics don’t tell the entire story, though.
In those losses, the offensive line was getting absolutely handled, forcing JC to dump it off quickly.
In some of those wins, Jason checked it down on screens and dump-offs but DMac and Reece made huge plays.
Personally, I think JC has done a much better job as of late getting the ball to his receivers. But there are other holes in his game (the main one being inconsistency) and other problems with his team. Be wary of relying on statistics.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Do you consider the screen and passes to Miller checkdown’s?
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Screens not so much, but definately the passes to Miller at times.
Too many times, IMO, he is quick to jump on the short route because it is open and he can get the ball out. A few of those times, maybe 3 or 4, per game he has to hang in there an extra second and see if he can get the ball down the field.
He had 12 passes to Miller, and 12 total combined for Ford, Murphy, and DHB.
Miller 9 catches for 66 yards.
Ford, DHB, Murphy 8 catches for 97 yards.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Fkn fling it down the field, and maybe sacrifice one turnover for a few plays and maybe a PI call throughout the game.
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I actually prefer that we don’t take chances with the ball. A PI call??? How about better players at WR who can actually get open? Or an OC that doesn’t feature screens and use the TE as the #1 option?
December 27th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Really hated that one play where JC threw the ball behind Miller for a near-pick instead of running up the massive hole in the middle of the field.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:35 am
A few of those times, maybe 3 or 4, per game he has to hang in there an extra second and see if he can get the ball down the field.
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That’s the 3 or 4 times a game people are talking about he’s holding the ball too long, lol!
December 27th, 2010 at 8:36 am
I highly doubt that Norv is going to get anything close to max effort from a team that is playing for nothing.
Broncos might win by 20.
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Just like Gruden, Norv has taken over an AFC championship team & drove them outta the playoffs.
Gruden & Shanny are over rated. Gruden ends up in SF.
We need a GM, period.
Saviour Tebow will trounce SD much to my chagrin!
December 27th, 2010 at 8:37 am
I actually prefer that we don’t take chances with the ball
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Yes, when we are playing inferior teams like Sea or Denver, sure.
But when you are playing the Colts, Steelers (hell even the Titans in week 1) you got to take a few extra chances, AS THE INFERIOR TEAM.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:38 am
YoungAmerican Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 8:25 am
There are some guys on the roster who could work in a 3-4, but the next two drafts would have to be all for LB and DL depth. And there are a lot of other holes to fill on the team.
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Actually, MOST of our defensive front 7 are natural 3-4 players. The only thing we would need to make the switch AND be very good at it IMO would be the true nose tackle.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:40 am
He had 12 passes to Miller, and 12 total combined for Ford, Murphy, and DHB.
Miller 9 catches for 66 yards.
Ford, DHB, Murphy 8 catches for 97 yards.
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This shows that yesterday, with the same amount of pass attempts, throwing so much to Miller equaled one more completion for 31 less yards than to our core WR’s.
No turnovers in 14 attempts to WR’s (two others to Chaz).
You don’t think he could have squeezed out a few extra passes down the field and not turned it over?
December 27th, 2010 at 8:40 am
So what do the Raiders do? Hire Marc Trestman and keep Hue as OC? John Fox for DC since Waufle supposedly likes to stick with coaching the DL?
December 27th, 2010 at 8:45 am
Actually, MOST of our defensive front 7 are natural 3-4 players. The only thing we would need to make the switch AND be very good at it IMO would be the true nose tackle.
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Seymour and Houston would work, but it’s easier said than done finding a true NT. Plus they would need depth there, and I’m not sure where Shaughnessy would fit in.
The Raiders could move Goethel to the inside with McClain, and put Scott and Wimlbey at OLB, but they would need depth there as well.
It could definitely work, but there would have to be a dramatic change in draft strategy, and I’m not sure that’s what Al has in mind. Plus there are still a whole lot of holes on offense to fill – WR and QB namely, but also the offensive line would need to be fixed.
There are already a lot of parts of this Raider team that need upgrading, so if the Raiders DO make the switch to 3-4, I could see it taking a couple more years to get this team ready to compete.
I still don’t see it as very likely, though.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:46 am
I agree with you that Campbell is “careful with the ball”.
I agree that we should see more involvement from the WRs. I just think that it is more play calling than decision making. I could be wrong. DHB was having a good game yesterday, but he was not part of the game plan IMO. There was no adjustment to get him involved.
Is that on the QB or the OC?
December 27th, 2010 at 8:46 am
According to Sean Peyton, John Fox (along with Gruden, Parcells and Callahan) was one of the guys that said stay away from Oakland. So I doubt he would come back here.
I wish that could happen though.
Once again, Al Davis and his ways get in the way of success.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:49 am
Yeah, I mean, the biggest problem with the Raiders is that quality coaches simply don’t want to come here because they’ll have no real power to do anything. It’s why I’m hesitant to say “get rid of Marshall” because I don’t see another DC in this league who would pass on another gig to come here.
Maybe if the Giants’ coaching staff gets blown up, Perry Fewell will be available.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:50 am
Al Davis and his ways get in the way of success.
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Who runs the pawn shop, you or your “GM”?
Wait, let me guess, I bet your and owner/GM as well, lol.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Once again, Al Davis and his ways get in the way of success.
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I assume you meant Jon Condo.
December 27th, 2010 at 8:53 am
John Marshall has been “allowed” to blitz both safeties, play his FS at CB, play 5 safeties with no CB, play “BIG Nickle”, blitz corners and the middle LB, and play zone defense.
I don’t see this Al Davis thing you guys are trying to sell.
Stop it!
December 27th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Al Davis runs the offense?
Are you telling me the reverse to Marcel Reece is an Al Davis play?
When did Al Davis become a guy who calls a lot of screens?
December 27th, 2010 at 8:56 am
That’s kind of my point. Marshall has been allowed to do things that we haven’t seen a DC do here in a long time. Al apparently has some level of trust in him.
But it’s no secret that Al likes to see a certain type of scheme played with certain personnel. It’s not like a DC like Dick LeBeau (for example) could come here, implement his own scheme and control the draft so he gets the players that he wants.
Al controls the draft, the coaching staff, the personnel. That’s why Gruden was shipped out.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:00 am
397.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 8:50 am
Al Davis and his ways get in the way of success.
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Who runs the pawn shop, you or your “GM”?
Wait, let me guess, I bet your and owner/GM as well, lol.
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Al has the absolute right to run the team into the ground….I just wish he wouldn’t. It takes a big man to realize he no longer has the energy to put in the time to be a successful NFL GM, and admit that the game has passed him by. Most CEOs have to be forced out too.
Personally, I just hope that Al can somehow get strike lightning in a bottle like he does once in a while. Throw enough schyt against the wall enough times eventually something has to stick. He might mistakenly hire a coach with some smarts and a backbone, and he might accidentally bump into a QB that is a leader and can get things done. You just never know.
But in my heart of hearts I know Al Davis is to the point in life where he would rather see the team destroyed by his own hands than see a third party GM come in and have success where he failed. Al would be more miserable with a GM who won him a super bowl than he would be leading the team himself to another stretch of horrible years.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:01 am
NFL chnnl on Weds. 1pm est Raiders v Colts for those who saw it choppy & grainy on their computer like I did.
11am MST.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:01 am
I don’t think the HC or any coaches should control the draft. As far as it should get is having input on the wish list, if you will. You shouldn’t have to look any further than the last draft to see that isn’t the issue.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Gruden for Donkies coach!
December 27th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Is that on the QB or the OC?
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Good question, and tough to answer because Hue really doesn’t have a track record.
JC’s rep has been to be too easy to check it down and take the 4 yards, which isn’t horribly awful. Just wish, especially when we are losing and struglling to make a play, that he would force it a little more.
On the TD drive, I was screaming on here to “fkn fling it down the field” as I say, and finally he threw it to Murphy (in double-coverage BTW) and viola, 26 yards.
I see no reason he can’t do this an extra play or two a half, and this (IMO) is the biggest thing holding him back.
He is like the boxer losing on the cards in the later rounds, who refuses to deviate from the jab and defense strategy. Sometimes you got to cut it loose because you are losing anyways.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:06 am
Rams-Seahawks flexed to the Sunday night game??
LMAO!!!
December 27th, 2010 at 9:06 am
I think it’s just fair to say that both Hue and JC could improve. And will need to if our defense is going to be one that continues to give up over 24 pts.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:06 am
# J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:01 am
I don’t think the HC or any coaches should control the draft. As far as it should get is having input on the wish list, if you will. You shouldn’t have to look any further than the last draft to see that isn’t the issue.
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What about the previous seven drafts?
This is what a real GM does. They bring in coaches who have an actual, cohesive vision of how to run the team, and the GM helps bring in personnel who fit that vision.
As much as I love Al and what he’s done for football and for the Raiders, his vision is “get a guy big/strong/fast enough to win one-on-one matchups all day long”, and it’s really not that simple. Especially nowadays when coaches are very good at coaching schemes that downplay one-on-one matchups.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Why do we go away from the run when the only games we win are the ones that we don’t go away from the run? This is all on Hue Jack and Cable for not telling Hue Jack he needs to call run more. Maybe we need a new OC more than we do a HC
December 27th, 2010 at 9:10 am
RaiderTW Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Gruden for Donkies coach!
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That would be sublime.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:11 am
yea no sh!#
December 27th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Hue Jackson has vastly improved our offense, and deserves the majority of credit for any improvement we had this season over last year, however, some of his decisions are baffling.
I have no problem if the Raiders get rid of Hue, as long as Cable is gone too.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:13 am
YoungAmerican Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Really hated that one play where JC threw the ball behind Miller for a near-pick instead of running up the massive hole in the middle of the field.
freakin JC, but how much better would Orton be?
December 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am
411.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:10 am
RaiderTW Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Gruden for Donkies coach!
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That would be sublime.
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It certainly would be sublime for the Broncos.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am
JerryMac had it right and there is no excuse. The better prepared team won. When Seymour was declared out, I knew it was going to be an Indy victory and our pass rush confirmed my fears. Need to get rid of Cable.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:14 am
The one play where Nnamdi was on the side of the field with nobody within 20 yards of him was laughable.
It only resulted in about a 7 yard pass, but safe to say that wasn’t the only time they did something creative like that.
Any defense that can’t ad-lib to where your best player is at least DOING SOMETHING (fck fake a blitz at the very least) is not ready for it’s opponent.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:15 am
What about the previous seven drafts?
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Bad luck starting with Gallery. Consensus pick to be great and was praised by all. Same thing with Huff. After the Gibson, Stuey, and Dorsett stints, I know I sure wanted Huff over Lienart.
I wanted Peterson instead of Russell, but who wouldn have thought the guy would just be a drug addict mayne? DAAAAAMMMMM!!!!!
I think the book is still out on DHB. I think that guy is actually going to be pretty decent.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:17 am
There are plenty of things to not like about yesterday’s game.
You have Hue Jackson’s unwillingness to run the ball between the guards against an undersized D.
You have John Marshall sticking with a one-linebacker defense when it was clear that they could not stop the run.
But the main thing I take from the game is Jason Campbell will never get it done against quick, aggressive defenses. He is too slow to make decisions and release the ball. His first concern is not making mistakes and he is actually afraid to throw the ball down field. And, most importantly, he is just not accurate enough. No more than half his passes are where they need to be.
If Campbell is the starter next year, say hello to 8-8.
We need a QB who is not currently on the roster. Who should that be? Beats me.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Through backup running backs and backup wideouts and a backup tight end and backup offensive linemen, the Colts are starting to look like a team you don’t want to play in the playoffs.
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Peter Kings take on the Colts.
Zero sacks allowed, with backup lineman apparently, against a top tier NFL pass rush (granted minus Seymour).
Peyton could play with a top tier collegiate O-line and you would barely notice the difference.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Why we lost yesterday (not necessarily in order):
1. Campbell is unable or afraid to take chances (both with his feet or in the air). There can be no sane counter argument to the fact that WE NEED a QB upgrade in 2011. Campbell and Grads can fight it out for the BACKUP slot.
2. We STILL cant stop the run, period. Even poor rushing teams like Indy have their way with us. THIS was the most MADDENING and DISAPPOINTING aspect of yesterday’s game. I will tell myself it was because Seymour was out (but I know better). What we NEED to end this cr/-\p is a SWAP to a 3-4 with more beef at DT. We almost have the personnel. In 2011 we need to draft/pick up a REAL RUN STUFFING IML and another John Henderson-esque BIG BODY DT.
3. EXTREMELY TICKY TACK officiating. Yesterday was BEYOND belief. Inconsistent calls too (see non-call on Ford in 4th). Its sad to watch the decline of our once awesome sport at the hands of Good(bad?)ell and Company. What we have now is the National Flag Football League (NFFL). (-Patent pending-)
BONUS:
2011 WISH LIST ADD ON 1- SIGN a real cover corner to go with ASO. If I can choose (which I can’t) I’d go hard after C. Bailey. A pro’s pro who CAN cover and shut people down (despite his age he’s better than Revis imo.)
2011 WISH LIST ADD-ON 2-
PLEASE for the love of G*d sign a REAL honest to goodness number 1 or 2 wideout already! ENOUGH with the no experience clown show at WR. And yes, I am glad Chaz is visible again but he is completely unreliable due to fragility of every single bone in his body. Steve Smith (Car) is likely available and would be my first choice.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:20 am
John Fox had 3 winning seasons in 9 years as Carolina’s HC, I don’t get why people around the league regard him as a great coach.
He’s a good guy, his teams usually play hard and he can coach a defense but his conservative ideas on offense can drive you crazy.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:21 am
# Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 7:36 am
JFB,
I hope he can, but I don’t think you can learn or develop instincts and speed. You either have them or you don’t. McClain doesn’t.
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He never showed the motor that a good MLB needs. To be a great player you have to play every down, Rolando took too many plays off (dogged it).
We will know at the start of camp next year if there is some desire there. He will either work his ass off and show up weighing about 250 ready to roll, or he will JaMarc up and come in at 280. We will know in 5 months how much drive there is.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am
It certainly would be sublime for the Broncos.
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Would be sublime to watch you and MR become Donks.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Really hated that one play where JC threw the ball behind Miller for a near-pick instead of running up the massive hole in the middle of the field.
freakin JC, but how much better would Orton be?
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I saw 3 behind-the-receiver-passes. Orton? Dream BIG, McNabb will be available. Everyone hated Vick coming here!
December 27th, 2010 at 9:27 am
Really hated that one play where JC threw the ball behind Miller for a near-pick instead of running up the massive hole in the middle of the field.
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How about his dumpoffs that skipped to the receiver?
December 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Draft two mid round QBs and bring in a vet like Kitna or McNabb
December 27th, 2010 at 9:29 am
I don’t know if we can easily upgrade Campbell in 2011, but if we don’t do it by 2012 I will be irrate.
He is destined to QB 7-9 teams. May not be entirely his fault, but it is what it is.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Would be sublime to watch you and MR become Donks.
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Hahahahaha, and go down with THAT ship and have an owner who really HAS alzheimer’s.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:33 am
413.Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Hue Jackson has vastly improved our offense, and deserves the majority of credit for any improvement we had this season over last year, however, some of his decisions are baffling.
I have no problem if the Raiders get rid of Hue, as long as Cable is gone too.
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Only coach they would even consider hiring is Harbaugh. Other than that it will be Cable and or Hue again.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:34 am
With a run game I’d look at Palmer. Assuming he was cut (no trade/draft pick deals). He has his issues but I think he might flourish once away from the divas (and the mess that is Cincinnati). Here the QB would fill (much needed) leadership shoes vs what he has now –>playing games with Ocho and that other idiot.
Drafting a qb? Really? With this franchise?
No thanks, been there done that!
December 27th, 2010 at 9:34 am
419.RaiderfanNY Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:17 am
There are plenty of things to not like about yesterday’s game.
You have Hue Jackson’s unwillingness to run the ball between the guards against an undersized D.
You have John Marshall sticking with a one-linebacker defense when it was clear that they could not stop the run.
But the main thing I take from the game is Jason Campbell will never get it done against quick, aggressive defenses. He is too slow to make decisions and release the ball. His first concern is not making mistakes and he is actually afraid to throw the ball down field. And, most importantly, he is just not accurate enough. No more than half his passes are where they need to be.
If Campbell is the starter next year, say hello to 8-8.
We need a QB who is not currently on the roster. Who should that be? Beats me.
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I wonder if McNabb would do any good here in Oakland.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Dakota
–”Hue Jackson has vastly improved our offense, and deserves the majority of credit for any improvement we had this season over last year, however, some of his decisions are baffling.
I have no problem if the Raiders get rid of Hue, as long as Cable is gone too.”–
Come on man.
Nobody expected the Raiders to become a top 10 offense in both scoring and yards per game, they did it under Hue….Frankly, I didn’t think Bill Walsh himself could pull it off.
And he’s done it with below average play from the QB and WR positions.
We’re not gonna like every call he makes but he’s the least of our problems.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:36 am
418.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:15 am
I think the book is still out on DHB. I think that guy is actually going to be pretty decent.
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2009 WR draft class
DHB 35 rec 490 yards 2 TDs
Crabtree 99-1319-8
Maclin 120-1663-14
Harvin 116-1489-11
Nicks 126-1842-17
Britt 79-1391-11
Massaquoi 67-1057-5
Butler 51-560-4
Collie 118-1325-15
Crabtree, Britt, Butler and Massaquoi all put up much better numbers than DHB and they aren’t in the perfect situations.
The best we can hope for DHB is that he becomes a below average NFL WR, to slightly below agerage….right now he isn’t even close to that.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:38 am
302.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 6:58 am
Speaking of screens …
Why don’t we ever see a middle screen?
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We saw some against J-Ville.
They needed to pound the ball more yesterday up the middle and run screens up the middle and go deep more and call more roll out plays.
It didn’t matter cause Marshall was calling a predictable boring defense yesterday that Manning could pick apart with ease. Marshall needs to seriously implement more 3-4 looks next year.
Why no blitzing up the middle to get more pressure on Manning?
And of course the run defense was terrible also.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:39 am
433.Bob Marley Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Dakota
–”Hue Jackson has vastly improved our offense, and deserves the majority of credit for any improvement we had this season over last year, however, some of his decisions are baffling.
I have no problem if the Raiders get rid of Hue, as long as Cable is gone too.”–
Come on man.
Nobody expected the Raiders to become a top 10 offense in both scoring and yards per game, they did it under Hue….Frankly, I didn’t think Bill Walsh himself could pull it off.
And he’s done it with below average play from the QB and WR positions.
We’re not gonna like every call he makes but he’s the least of our problems.
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Exactly….getting rid of Hue or losing him to another team would be UTTER STUPIDITY by this “organization”.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:42 am
So bring in a QB who got benched for Rex Grossman? And the team actaully played better wtih Grossman?
December 27th, 2010 at 9:44 am
433.Bob Marley Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Dakota
–”Hue Jackson has vastly improved our offense, and deserves the majority of credit for any improvement we had this season over last year, however, some of his decisions are baffling.
I have no problem if the Raiders get rid of Hue, as long as Cable is gone too.”–
Come on man.
Nobody expected the Raiders to become a top 10 offense in both scoring and yards per game, they did it under Hue….Frankly, I didn’t think Bill Walsh himself could pull it off.
And he’s done it with below average play from the QB and WR positions.
We’re not gonna like every call he makes but he’s the least of our problems.
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Bob, nice to hear from you!
I am a big fan of Hue Jackson’s….as compared to Tom Cable. But some of his decisions are questionable. I am not advocating for Hue to be fired, but if he was fired, it wouldn’t break my heart. There are some decent coordinators who could maximize our run game and maybe adjust our offense to attack our opponent’s weak spots. I think Hue gets flustered when something doesn’t work right away and has trouble adjusting in-game.
He is certainly heads and shoulders above Cable as a play caller, but he leaves a lot to be desired too. If the choice is keep Cable and Hue leaves, or fire Cable and make Hue HC, and no legit HC wants the job, then I am fully on board with making Hue the HC!
December 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am
DHB was a big mistake by Al Davis, the kid should not have been the 7th pick.
He should have been drafted in the 2nd round and viewed as a project, if that had been the case we would be thinking “he’s slowly coming along, maybe next year he’ll be ready”.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:51 am
So bring in a QB who got benched for Rex Grossman? And the team actaully played better wtih Grossman?
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Remember who benched him. YOU would rather have Orton or Grossman? McNabb (no matter what his age) is an instant upgrade over JC. McNabb will be available too.
December 27th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Bob Marley Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am
DHB was a big mistake by Al Davis, the kid should not have been the 7th pick.
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A lot of people said the same thing about DMac. Then year what, 3, bam!
December 27th, 2010 at 9:57 am
I wanted McNabb last offseason when the rumors started we may get him. Was pretty excited about the prospects.
Not so excited this year after seeing him face plant in Washington
December 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am
441.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Bob Marley Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am
DHB was a big mistake by Al Davis, the kid should not have been the 7th pick.
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A lot of people said the same thing about DMac. Then year what, 3, bam!
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You can’t compare the two. McFadden had talent and demonstrated said talent in college. The other guy has never, ever done squat…other than run fast.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am
The draft is history, we took DHB and are stuck with him.
He looked good yesterday, but was not fed the ball. He is not dropping the ball like he did last year, but we are not throwing him the ball.
How do we know what he can do?
OC likes screens and the TE.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Dakota
I agree with you, make Hue Jackson the HC already.
I love Cable, but it seems his biggest contribution is as a “player’s coach/motivator”….something that Jackson is apparently good at too, so we shouldn’t lose anything there.
Keeping Hue under Cable will only become a bigger distraction as time goes on, let’s just move on with Hue as HC ASAP because we’ll need to find a new OL coach too.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Even James Jett showed something his first year…heck, his first year numbers are better than DHB’s first TWO year’s numbers.
DHB 35-490-2
Jett 33-771-3
DHB will never even come close to Jett’s career numbers of 256 receptions, 4417 yards and 30 TDs.
Is it okay that we picked a player at #7 who will not even be as good as James friggin Jett?
December 27th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Absolutely not to McNabb.
I would say the same about Carson, unless he was waived. Not giving up any draft picks for something that isn’t a given, which he isn’t.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:04 am
James Jett caught the TD in the snow game.
Pretty amazed a wispy, track-burner like him would have success in a goalline, blizzard situation.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:06 am
195.SnB Production Says:
December 26th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Alex,
I don’t think there are many people here saying JC is an elite or top 10 QB.
He’s a sericeable QB and that’s all any rational fan, knowing the challenges with the organization and coaching, can really expect.
Free agency is dead man. There are no slam-dunks…so you stick with plodding and steady for another year and rely on running the ball, limiting turnovers…and hope they can make an upgrade in the O-Line and receiving corps.
We don’t have a Peyton or Brady or Vick or Schaub….the Raiders drafted JaDavis….when you draft a guy like JaDavis…you won’t have an elite QB or one in the making.
Fortunately, the rest of the roster has improved enough for the team to compete
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Have to find a true #1 WR and keep upgrading the O-Line and D-Line, so they can stop the run consistently.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Not so excited this year after seeing him face plant in Washington
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Shanny’s biggest shortcoming is he’s no people person, no personel guy, can’t you tell from the Haynesworth/McNabb debacle. Hell, his SON benched McNabb, uncool.
Do you think JC is better?
December 27th, 2010 at 10:08 am
445.Bob Marley Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Dakota
I agree with you, make Hue Jackson the HC already.
I love Cable, but it seems his biggest contribution is as a “player’s coach/motivator”….something that Jackson is apparently good at too, so we shouldn’t lose anything there.
Keeping Hue under Cable will only become a bigger distraction as time goes on, let’s just move on with Hue as HC ASAP because we’ll need to find a new OL coach too.
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I wouldn’t mind that at all.
Then Hue will probably hire a better WR coach and possibly even a better D-Coordinator.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:09 am
I am trying to think of WRs who had two bad years and then blossomed into great NFL WRs.
Roddy white struggled his first two years, had some injuries…but he still managed to catch 59 passes for 952 yards and 3 tds before he vastly improved in his third year.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Do you think JC is better?
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Not really.
I just probably can make some better excuses for JC, lol.
Younger, more mobile, less turnovers, first year in the system, still getting his timing down with WRs, etc, etc.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Not looking for Cable to return next year.
Oakland played timid yesterday.
Piss poor performance all around if you ask me.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:14 am
Dakota,
DHB can’t put up stats if he is not thrown the pelota mayne!
I could see you point if his number was being called and he was dropping passes. But our OC simply is not calling plays for DHB. The 5 yd passes that will let him run with the ball. Reverses and what not. Shouldn’t there be at least 2 deep balls thrown to DHB each game?
December 27th, 2010 at 10:17 am
If Jackson becomes HC, who would be some decent OC candidates?
No particular order…
Gary Kubiak (doubt he survives in Houston)
Jason Garrett (doubt he stays in Dallas – could also be a HC candidate)
who else?
December 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am
I have more confidence in DHB being an above-average WR than I do Campbell becoming an above-average QB.
DHB caught every catchable pass thrown his way yesterday, and may never be a deep threat, but he looks like a legit YAC guy.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Think how PO’d we would be if KC had lost…
December 27th, 2010 at 10:20 am
And that missed FG was TOTALLY on the snapper…
December 27th, 2010 at 10:21 am
I’d feel better about our offense if we had either Palmer or McNabb going into 2011 to compete with Campbell.
But neither guy is a long term solution, and neither is Campbell.
Our best bet to upgrade our team in 2011 is to get an actual run-blocking FB, a real NFL WR or two and upgrade at least two of the following three positions; RT, RG C.
On defense we need better LBs and safeties. Get a real NT, move Kelly back to three tech and move Seymour to LDE (assuming he doesn’t bolt).
We can’t fix everything at once, so I would be happy with just upgrading our LBers, RG, FB and one vet WR…maybe TJ Hoozmydaddy.
Replacing the HC, DC, WR coach, o-line coach, ST coach and strength and conditioning coach would go a long ways to improving the team.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am
438.Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:44 am
433.Bob Marley Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Dakota
–”Hue Jackson has vastly improved our offense, and deserves the majority of credit for any improvement we had this season over last year, however, some of his decisions are baffling.
I have no problem if the Raiders get rid of Hue, as long as Cable is gone too.”–
Come on man.
Nobody expected the Raiders to become a top 10 offense in both scoring and yards per game, they did it under Hue….Frankly, I didn’t think Bill Walsh himself could pull it off.
And he’s done it with below average play from the QB and WR positions.
We’re not gonna like every call he makes but he’s the least of our problems.
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Bob, nice to hear from you!
I am a big fan of Hue Jackson’s….as compared to Tom Cable. But some of his decisions are questionable. I am not advocating for Hue to be fired, but if he was fired, it wouldn’t break my heart. There are some decent coordinators who could maximize our run game and maybe adjust our offense to attack our opponent’s weak spots. I think Hue gets flustered when something doesn’t work right away and has trouble adjusting in-game.
He is certainly heads and shoulders above Cable as a play caller, but he leaves a lot to be desired too. If the choice is keep Cable and Hue leaves, or fire Cable and make Hue HC, and no legit HC wants the job, then I am fully on board with making Hue the HC!
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I agree.
If there has to be a choice on who to keep between Cable or Hue….then Hue needs to be the one kept.
He has the offensive system that has imporved the offense and he calls plays and he has a fiery competitor who is a players coach.
He is also the one who implemented more pulling, trapping, and counter power blocking schemes on top the of the existing ZBS that was the exclusive blocking scheme in place before.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Gary Kubiak (doubt he survives in Houston)
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Kubiak is destined for the Donkies, if not I wouldn’t want him on the Raiders. He’s probably afraid of not getting paid anyway.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am
J Hill
You make some valid points but nobody is saying it’s the kid’s fault, he should not have been drafted 7th and expected to carry this team at WR.
Maybe he’ll get there in the next couple of years but we’ve already wasted 2 years from what should have been a productive player at 7th.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am
If Cable goes, then the entire coaching staff should go. I’m astounded that anyone thinks HJackson is HC material.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Our best bet to upgrade our team in 2011 is to get an actual run-blocking FB, a real NFL WR or two and upgrade at least two of the following three positions; RT, RG C.
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All I’ve really asked for 8years now is stop the G*d d*mn RUN!!!!
December 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Keep Hue as the OC, hire a new HC who can help Hue and the offense, and hire a new DC.
Marshall is garbage!
December 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am
270.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 4:39 am
the Colts had 170+ rushing yards from 3 different RB’s on the NFL’s worst run offense that came in averaging 85 ground yards per contest
171 and a TD on 35 carries
DB’s Huff, Branch, Mitchell & Routt all had more tackles than McClain
I’m sick of YOU PEOPLE praising this heap of trash!
JFB and a few others said “he made a few plays in coverage” Well whoopty freeaking doo man! if he was that great in coverage why didn’t they put him on backup TE Jacob Tamme? that guy looked like Dallas Clark yesterday!
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News Break:
Umm….McClain is still a ROOKIE!!
You expect him to be Superman as a rookie and do it all by himself?
Get your head out of your azz please!
December 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Tom Coughlin will also be available
December 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Al likes the HC to call plays, if he hires Hue Jakcon he’ll likely keep doing it while a new OC helps with the weekly preparations and stuff.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am
466.Raider O Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Keep Hue as the OC, hire a new HC who can help Hue and the offense, and hire a new DC.
Marshall is garbage!
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My ideal team would be Jim Harbaugh as HC and Hue Jackson as his OC.
Then hire John Fox as the DC!
December 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am
DHB caught every catchable pass thrown his way yesterday, and may never be a deep threat, but he looks like a legit YAC guy.
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Agreed.
Get the OC to come up with some type of game plan that gets him the ball early and takes advantage of his YAC potential.
That 5 yd pass to Reggie Wayne yesterday after another guy picked Nnamdi needs to be in our playbook. And Hue needs to notice how the pick was ran so the Wayne could cut INSIDE, not out towards the sideline!
December 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am
I’d take Jason Garrett as either the OC or the HC. Sorry Hue and Tom…heck, Hue can even stay as OC, without play calling duties, like he did in Washington, and then give him more responsibilities coaching the WRs. His best coaching job ever was in Cinci with their WR corps.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am
he should not have been drafted 7th and expected to carry this team at WR.
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I can agree with you on that.
I wanted Maulauga, lol, so what do I know.
I just think the kid looks better than his wrap, if you will.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:29 am
We added Seymour
We added Henderson
We added Houston
We added McClain
We added Wimbley
We added Groves
We can so better than 26th against the run!!!
Fire Marshall Now!!!
Fire Marshall for allowing 191 yards rushing to the Colts!!!
Fire that Old Monkey!!
December 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Too many players on this team with low football I.Q. JCampbell and TBranch come immediately to mind. I’m sure there are others, like CJohnson and SRoutt.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am
The Raiders should have listened to me….
–”Bob Marley Says:
January 13th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Here’s my plan so far, keep in mind that I’m desperate here:
Get Mike Vick, the O-Line won’t be such an issue with Vick moving around, he may not be able to break 50 yard TD runs anymore but he can still make plays, we saw that a mobile QB like Gradkowski was able to have some success last year, Vick is like Grad on steroids.
With Vick buying time in the pocket, Z. Miller could finally make the Pro Bowl as his security blanket, much like Alge Crumpler did back in ATL, meanwhile, Schilens, DHB, Murphy and JLH would be able to get behind DB’s for numerous big plays.”
December 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am
# Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am
I’d take Jason Garrett as either the OC or the HC. Sorry Hue and Tom…heck, Hue can even stay as OC, without play calling duties, like he did in Washington, and then give him more responsibilities coaching the WRs. His best coaching job ever was in Cinci with their WR corps.
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I would love to have Garrett as the HC in Oakland.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am
I want Harbaugh too!!!
Hire Harbaugh as HC
Hire Fox/ Mike S/ Del Rio/ DC from the Vikings as DC
Keep Hue as OC
December 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am
If Cable goes, then the entire coaching staff should go. I’m astounded that anyone thinks HJackson is HC material.
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Replacing the HC, DC, WR coach, o-line coach, ST coach and strength and conditioning coach would go a long ways to improving the team.
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One stop shopping, hire McDaniels he’ll get rid of the staff plus JC, Huff, Jano, McFad, Bush, DHB, Condo, Ford probably Asmough.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:35 am
RaiderTW Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am
If Cable goes, then the entire coaching staff should go. I’m astounded that anyone thinks HJackson is HC material.
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Replacing the HC, DC, WR coach, o-line coach, ST coach and strength and conditioning coach would go a long ways to improving the team.
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One stop shopping, hire McDaniels he’ll get rid of the staff plus JC, Huff, Jano, McFad, Bush, DHB, Condo, Ford probably Asmough.
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No one is advocating hiring a greenhorn like McDaniels who was completely out of his depths. There are hundreds of proven coaches out there.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:36 am
475.I am Spartacus Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Too many players on this team with low football I.Q. JCampbell and TBranch come immediately to mind. I’m sure there are others, like CJohnson and SRoutt.
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Routt pisses me off big time!
Tired of him getting beat badly and not intercepting the ball when he has a chance and always getting PI’s called against him….even though some of them are crap.
The refs even like to pick on him. Ugh
December 27th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Stanford is offering Harbaugh $3 million a year to stay…since Al doesn’t think the HC has much to do with winning football games, I doubt he would be willing to match that.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:37 am
478.Raider O Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am
I want Harbaugh too!!!
Hire Harbaugh as HC
Hire Fox/ Mike S/ Del Rio/ DC from the Vikings as DC
Keep Hue as OC
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Harbaugh would take this team to the next level!
He needs a QB though.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:37 am
If it was my call, I’d rather hire Jim Harbaugh and his whole staff, let him run the ship.
Maybe now that SF is rumored to be interested, Al will make the move.
Remember this?:
“Former Raiders assistant coach and current Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, brother of Ravens coach John Harbaugh, told the San Jose Mercury News that he would listen if Raiders owner Al Davis called.
“I talk to Mr. Davis now and then,” Harbaugh told the paper.
“I love talking to him. I consider him a mentor, and it was always special every time he would pull me aside with the Raiders or call me on the phone. He’s the best. Nobody can talk football like Mr. Davis. Every time I talk to him, I always glean something about football.”
Then asked what he would do if Davis called to talk about the Raiders coaching job, Harbaugh said, “I’ll always take a call from Mr. Davis.”
December 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am
Disagree with bringing in a new HC and keeping Hue as the OC. That’s the same disfunctioning stuff everyone is complaining about.
If Hue stays, make him HC and let him bring in an OC.
If you bring in a new HC, let him pick his OC.
I’d be all for Hue as HC with Marvin Lewis as a DC/Asst HC.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Mort on the SVP show just said he thinks the NFL will be a 9 game season next year due to labor interruptions, with 18 games set for 2012.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am
484.Bob Marley Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:37 am
If it was my call, I’d rather hire Jim Harbaugh and his whole staff, let him run the ship.
Maybe now that SF is rumored to be interested, Al will make the move.
Remember this?:
“Former Raiders assistant coach and current Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, brother of Ravens coach John Harbaugh, told the San Jose Mercury News that he would listen if Raiders owner Al Davis called.
“I talk to Mr. Davis now and then,” Harbaugh told the paper.
“I love talking to him. I consider him a mentor, and it was always special every time he would pull me aside with the Raiders or call me on the phone. He’s the best. Nobody can talk football like Mr. Davis. Every time I talk to him, I always glean something about football.”
Then asked what he would do if Davis called to talk about the Raiders coaching job, Harbaugh said, “I’ll always take a call from Mr. Davis.”
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That is just cruel Marley! Why get people’s hope’s up like that? I’d name my next son Al if he pulled that off though!
December 27th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Routt pisses me off big time!
Tired of him getting beat badly and not intercepting the ball when he has a chance and always getting PI’s called against him….even though some of them are crap.
The refs even like to pick on him. Ugh
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Sinced none of our CB’s ever look back for the ball, they will never get the benefit of the doubt. It’s a philosophy that will only die with Al – and I like Al.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 8:14 am
If Al is going to fire Cable (I know, he would just not renew his contract, but it is the same thing) and hire a new guy he can’t foook around like he usually does. Cable needs to get his walking papers next week and the hiring process needs to start right then and there. No waiting for the college bowls to end. No waiting for Al to wake up and get to the office by 4 pm. This can’t drag on into February with the lockout looming. The new HC has to be in place right away and needs to start working on 2011 immediately.
This fantasy that an 8-8 record and another 3rd place finish is some great leap from a 5-11 record and a 3rd place finish while playing the patsy AFC West and NFC West, needs to be quashed right now. We did improve this year thanks to Hue Jackson taking over the offense, but Cable had little to do with it. Keep Cable (and Marshall) and we regress next year when we don’t get to play the NFC West, and we certainly are not going 6-0 in our division again next year. KC will be stronger, as will SD after they get healthy and fire Norv.
My hope is that this 8-8 season makes the job more appealing for a legit HC candidate. This is our chance to get a coach that could make a real difference for our future. Keeping Cable is just treading water. The guy doesn’t have any answers.
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Post of the Day.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:42 am
RaiderTW Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am
If Cable goes, then the entire coaching staff should go. I’m astounded that anyone thinks HJackson is HC material.
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There are many, many HCs I’d rather have than Hue Jackson, but if it comes down to the point where no legit HC wants the job, and Hue is heading out the door, then I would take Hue as HC over Tom Cable…in a heartbeat.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Marvin Lewis should be looking at a high paid DC job somewhere else, but if they don’t come….we should make a play for him, maybe Hue can talk him into it.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am
I could live with Jim Harbaugh. I wonder if he thinks enough of Luck to pull out all the stops to get him in the draft should he become a Head Coach next season.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Just being sarcastic, Spartacus, I wouldn’t want ANY exBronco, exRaider, exKC coach. Only Madden or Parcells as GM. This will be the year Al faces his mortality as reality. Something’s gotta give.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:46 am
This can’t drag on into February with the lockout looming. The new HC has to be in place right away and needs to start working on 2011 immediately.
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Isn’t that an oxymoron Dakota?
Without a labor deal in place, all 32 facilities are going to be ghost towns the first week the season ends.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Harbaugh, if you recall, was given a lucrative extension at Stanford shortly after making those comments about his availability for the Raiders and the NFL.
He used us. Good business.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Dakota
Lol…sorry dude.
Keep in mind those comments came a couple of years ago, Harbaugh wasn’t as big as he is now.
But if Al is looking for someone to take over, Harbaugh might fit the bill and grab the chance to run an organization.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:52 am
RaiderTW Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Just being sarcastic, Spartacus, I wouldn’t want ANY exBronco, exRaider, exKC coach. Only Madden or Parcells as GM. This will be the year Al faces his mortality as reality. Something’s gotta give.
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Acknowledged, TW. A HC can only do so much. He can’t teach or motivate an inherently stupid player (too many examples on our team to mention). I don’t think anyone would argue that Tom Coughlin is a lousy coach and his team imploded the last two weeks. Hire smart coaches and draft teachable players, like Jacoby Ford.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am
John Madden as GM??
Too funny TW! Guy is only what, 74 years old, and 32 years removed from coaching the game?
The only thing I would want Madden to do for the Raiders is maybe help with the search FOR a GM. I think he could be brought in as a consultant, focus in on the one task at hand, listen to all his contacts and find a decent GM.
The weak link in us wanting Al to hire a GM is the fact that AL WOULD DO THE HIRING! Let Madden in to make one good decision then walk away once the GM is in place, then let the GM hire a coach that has the same vision for the direction of the team as himself, and let that coach have a lot of say in the assistant coaches, and then let the coaching staff have a lot of input as to what players are acquired to run their system.
No more 3-4 DCs forced to run a 4-3 defense. No more noodle armed QBs brought in to run a vertical offense. No more zone coverage DBs brought in to run man to man.
Lets get a man with a plan and let him implement it.
KC is a great example of what I would want to see the Raiders do….pick a GM with a certain philosophy, and then let him hire the right coaches and draft the right players for that system.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am
I don’t know that much about football, so just a thought…
Why not copy the strategies of teams like the Steelers and the Patriots, who seem to do well year after year?
Obviously what we are doing is not working.
December 27th, 2010 at 10:59 am
DHB caught every catchable pass thrown his way yesterday, and may never be a deep threat, but he looks like a legit YAC guy.
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No he didnt. He tried to catch a slant with one hand and it of course bounced right off his hand. It was in the second half, but I cant remember exactly when.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Bcz,
Didn’t really think that was a catchable pass.
I believe it was on the TD drive.
Was pretty faded and irrate at the time, so may have be a little off on the facts, lol.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:01 am
494.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:46 am
This can’t drag on into February with the lockout looming. The new HC has to be in place right away and needs to start working on 2011 immediately.
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Isn’t that an oxymoron Dakota?
Without a labor deal in place, all 32 facilities are going to be ghost towns the first week the season ends.
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I am not sure, but I think that the current labor agreement expires in March, so I think the new coaching staff could get in there and get some work done before these idiots begin the lockout. Players that want to succeed would show up and get acquainted with the staff, pickup their playbooks, workout guides, etc to prep for the 2011 season while the lockout goes on. Players that don’t bother to do so, well, then the coaching staff has an idea of which players are serious about their careers, and which are just in it for the paycheck.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am
John Madden as GM??
Too funny TW! Guy is only what, 74 years old, and 32 years removed from coaching the game?
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This from a guy who vote for McCain to run the country, he’s 12 years removed from reality!? Too old, McC woke up and saw his shadow, 2 years of gridlock.
Madden would know exactly who to fire in the front office when Al goes on……..
December 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Bcz,
Didn’t really think that was a catchable pass.
I believe it was on the TD drive.
Was pretty faded and irrate at the time, so may have be a little off on the facts, lol.
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It hit him in the palm of his hand. Not an easy catch, but a play could have been made. Just saying, he didnt catch every ball thrown his way.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:06 am
Kirk…
“499.Kirk Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am
I don’t know that much about football, so just a thought…
Why not copy the strategies of teams like the Steelers and the Patriots, who seem to do well year after year?
Obviously what we are doing is not working.”
— Because once upon a time the Raiders used to be the opposite of those kind of squeaky-clean franchises, we used to do it our way, we used to cheat, get players nobody else wanted and then beat the crap out of every other team and everyone hated us for it, that’s what made the Raiders great.
Sadly, times have changed and we need to adjust, we seem to slowly be moving forward.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:06 am
HC: Harbaugh, Gruden, Del Rio, or Hue.
OC: Hue
DC: Del Rio, Fox, Singletary, M Lewis, or Vikings DC/ HC
Make it Happen Al!!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:06 am
503.RaiderTW Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am
John Madden as GM??
Too funny TW! Guy is only what, 74 years old, and 32 years removed from coaching the game?
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This from a guy who vote for McCain to run the country, he’s 12 years removed from reality!? Too old, McC woke up and saw his shadow, 2 years of gridlock.
Madden would know exactly who to fire in the front office when Al goes on……..
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zzzzzzzzzzzz Ob@ma is the Josh McDaniels of politics.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Bob,
I miss thee days bro. We were pioneers, and now we are at the bottom feeders. Very sad!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Hey Bcz24…
Congrtulations on your FFL championship man.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:10 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
What a sad day yesterday was…but a season full of promise…with what looks to be promising near-and-long-term futures for the Raiders.
Anyone who thinks HueJax has demonstrated he’s ready to be the HC of THIS Raiders team isn’t thinking correctly.
It has taken 7 years to get the team back to relevancy on a wide scale…7 long years to find the right mixture of personality, toughness, attitude, leadership, and PLAYER RELATIONS to make the progress this team has made.
Taking the talent on any team, and turning it into a winning program is difficult enough. When a team is this close to being good again — after the worst period of losing in NFL history — it would be a terrible mistake to start anew.
There isn’t an assistant on staff who’s any more ready to do what Cable has already done…to get the team thinking differently about themselves, and to perform at its highest level/s in a generation.
Bringing in ANY different HC, even a big name, would be dangerously tinkering with a team that needs to stay on solid ground.
HueJax, Marshall, Fassel, et al, have all done admirable jobs…but they’ve each had major meltdowns doing their jobs at different times this year…and their meltdowns have directly influenced the outcomes of losing games, just as surely as a Jano miss or a Murphy drop has.
The best choice to be the HC of the 2011 Raiders…is the HC of the 2010 Raiders.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am
We need a new HC and toy guys aretaljing politics?!
Dems Suck
Reps Suck
They are all funded by Corp America, socaj we please focus on real issues!
We need a new HC!!!
You People need Focusit!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Everyone knows Al will stand pat especially when Barney Cable beats KC & we become the first NFL team to win all divisional AFC west games. Al will love it and we did improve. Now stop the f**ing run!!!!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Raider O Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am
We need a new HC and toy guys aretaljing politics?!
Dems Suck
Reps Suck
They are all funded by Corp America, socaj we please focus on real issues!
We need a new HC!!!
You People need Focusit!
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Raider O
What doesn’t suck?
December 27th, 2010 at 11:15 am
You People need Focusit!
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I haven’t been Focusit in years!!!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:15 am
The DHB slant??
DHB fully extended his one arm that had any chance to reach the ball, even though it was virtually un-catchable (no aligator arms!). He didn’t drop a single uncontested/catchable ball thrown his way yesterday. DHB wasn’t why the Raiders lost yeterday.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am
zzzzzzzzzzzz Ob@ma is the Josh McDaniels of politics.
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So, does that make Bill Belichick Karl Marx?
December 27th, 2010 at 11:17 am
This needs to be the year Al recognizes he’s diminished & needs to leave a Legacy just for the Raiders’ future. Hire a GM!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Dell,
I’m glad you asked. J Haebaugh!!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am
O — Did you really mean to say we needed a “hood draft?”
I’m pretty sure I’d prefer a good draft over a hood draft.
*yes, I know it was a typo*
December 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Harbaugh*
Hire J Harbaugh!!! He doesn’t suck!!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am
RaiderTW Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 11:17 am
This needs to be the year Al recognizes he’s diminished & needs to leave a Legacy just for the Raiders’ future. Hire a GM!
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Late in the game when CBS flashed the shot of Al sitting in his wheelchair with a white slobbering towl over his lap, a part of me died.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Bob Marley Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Hey Bcz24…
Congrtulations on your FFL championship man.
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You had a great year too man, injuries down the stretch hurt ya a little i think, and I havent won it yet! But Thank you!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:22 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 11:15 am
The DHB slant??
DHB fully extended his one arm that had any chance to reach the ball, even though it was virtually un-catchable (no aligator arms!). He didn’t drop a single uncontested/catchable ball thrown his way yesterday. DHB wasn’t why the Raiders lost yeterday.
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I didnt say DHB cost us the game. JFB said DHB caught every ball thrown his way. I simply pointed out that he was mistaken. Besides, catching 2 balls wide open is hardly something to be proud of. Our FB is a better WR than DHB for Jeezus sakes!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Man, i never watched all the raiders game in a year like i did this year. it kinda sucks too that i have to wait another whole 9 months to watch raiders football, i remember being so excited for it this season…basically, i hate offseason time after a dissapointing year =/
December 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Don’t forget that Hue Jackson has been a coordinator for one season and has been with the Raiders for one season.
If the guy is smart, and I think he is, he could do a much better job next season.
Just give him a new lineman or two and a new QB.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:24 am
HD37,
I prefer good too, but I would take hood over bust every draft.
Get us some Hood Players!!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:24 am
There’s about as much of a chance Harbaugh will be the coach of the Raiders next season as there is that Gruden will come back. So basically, none at all.
Good coaches go where they have some control over the schemes they implement, their staff, and the personnel.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Raider O move your fingers on your keyboard, fix the typos & type like a minkey.
Hire J Harbaugh!!! He doesn’t suck!!
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I’m all for hiring coaches that don’t suck!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Cable does need to go,
his failure to have the team ready to go after the bye weeks, road games etc, speaks to his lack of overall preperation…
Al HAS to bring in someone new who has a coaching pedigree in the NFL, period.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Give credit to Indy, we lost to the overall better team. If we finish 8-8 it is not bad because this is who we are: Better than last year but not great. We do not belong in the play-offs yet. It’s the simple truth. I personally think Cable will be back at HC.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:29 am
It ain’t over for DHB…and I maintain he’ll play a big role for the Playoff Raiders in the not-too-distant future.
A new GM?? To do what, run the Draft for us? Was there something wrong with last year’s draft? For the past few years, the Raiders’ drafts have been some of the better ones in the League. The Old Man can still judge talent.
Al as GM…until Al doesn’t want to do it anymore!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Al’s gong to keep Cable, we all know that. We also know he’ll draft a Corner first pick in the draft, 2nd round.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:31 am
I was at the game yesterday. The National Football League Network has the Raiders, Indy game on their rewind, which is free.(NFL.Com)
Nothing changed to what I saw, we suck!!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Yeah, Dell, it’s on Weds. on the NFL chnnl, too. Had to watch it online, sucked.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:37 am
Al’s gong to keep Cable, we all know that. We also know he’ll draft a Corner first pick in the draft, 2nd round.
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Or DE, which we could probably use. Not much of a pass rush with Seymour out and Houston filling in at DT.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:42 am
On top of everything else we need depth. Al, just pick up Champ and draft a killer DT & stop the run!!!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:44 am
Cable deserves a 2-year extension right now.
Hello Carson Palmer?
We need a near-top-quality QB (that’s as good as it gets, availability-wise) to improve the play we get at the position…while we actually draft, and grow, a young QB from the early-mid rounds of the upcoming draft.
Yes, we can actually find a top-flight QB in the draft…
…the Raiders NEED a QB who is a born leader and captain and winner. The Raiders need a charismatic leader for their Offense.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am
525.RaiderfanNY Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Don’t forget that Hue Jackson has been a coordinator for one season and has been with the Raiders for one season.
If the guy is smart, and I think he is, he could do a much better job next season.
Just give him a new lineman or two and a new QB.
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He also needs a TRUE #1 WR!
December 27th, 2010 at 11:48 am
…the Raiders NEED a QB who is a born leader and captain and winner. The Raiders need a charismatic leader for their Offense.
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Couldn’t agree more.
Jason Campbell, Jamarcus Russell, Andrew Walter, Daunte Culpepper and Aaron Brooks.
Enough of the “laid-back” guy.
At this point, I will take below-average talent with above-average intangibles over above-average talent with below-average intangibles.
With the caveat that they can stay healthy for 16 games, which unfortunately excludes my man Bruce who can’t stay healthy for 16 quarter better yet 16 games.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:53 am
At this point, I will take below-average talent with above-average intangibles over above-average talent with below-average intangibles.
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I agree completely. Passion, intelligence and a strong work ethic. It’s what makes a klutzy-looking PManning a great quarterback.
December 27th, 2010 at 11:56 am
I agree completely. Passion, intelligence and a strong work ethic. It’s what makes a klutzy-looking PManning a great quarterback.
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Cannon-like arm and deadly accuracy play a little into Peyton as well…
December 27th, 2010 at 11:57 am
You’re talking Hostetler & Gannon or Stabler (later yrs) rather than JC, McNabb, Kolb?
December 27th, 2010 at 11:59 am
bcz24 Says:
December 27th, 2010 at 11:56 am
I agree completely. Passion, intelligence and a strong work ethic. It’s what makes a klutzy-looking PManning a great quarterback.
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Cannon-like arm and deadly accuracy play a little into Peyton as well…
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True. Jeff George had both of those in spades (Jerry Mac has said more than one that George had the best and most accurate arm he ever saw), but he had none of the intangibles.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Health issues almost made DMC a bust.
Health issues are playing a large part in Gradkowski being labeled a bust — albeit a “cheaper” one.
One thing’s for sure…one cannot improve, if one is not on the field. We have way too many athletes not able to do anything athletic for this team, all year long.
If I could wish for something better in the Draft, I’d wish for players who could stay on the field long enough to turn into great Pros (sooner).
December 27th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
evenin’ nation,
#539 you say “At this point, I will take below-average talent with above-average intangibles over above-average talent with below-average intangibles”, didn’t we just go thru that with the greatgradkowski? lol
December 27th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Ahoy Raider Brethren,
We need CARSON PALMER!!! Yesterday unleashed hell on the Chargirls defense! And w/ no name receivers. AL & RAIDER front office, wake up & get the veteran that will that will WIN! It ALL starts at the QB position, he will put up 25-35 TDs w/ Ford, Murph & co. Going no
December 28th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
” HEY let’s have Campbell try sling it out with Peyton Manning instead of running it on one of the softest “D’s” in the NFL..” GGGEEEEEZZZZZZ what Jepardy finalist came up with that one….
If you don’t think Manning is REALLY good
alway’s read what other teams PLAYERS say about him……whats next ” hey KC can’t run the ball lets play pass “