Cable gets Raiders even _ is it enough?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, January 2nd, 2011 at 5:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The vultures began circling Sunday, even before the Raiders demolished the Kansas City Chiefs 31-10 at Arrowhead Stadium to achieve a notable but ultimately annoying feat.
It arrived first from ESPN’s Adam Schefter, reporting on the network’s NFL Countdown show that Tom Cable was “unlikely” to return as coach of the Raiders. Later, former Raiders exec and NFL Network analyst Mike Lombardi reported that according to league sources, Cable was “unlikely” to be back.
Even Cable only put his chances at 50-50, according to Bay Area News Group columnist Cam Inman.
As we remember from our studies, Cable sure seemed unlikely to be back last year as well, and then time dragged on and Al Davis instead hired an offensive coordinator to take over offensive philosophy and play-calling. “Unlikely” is not the same thing as saying Cable is no longer coach of the Raiders.
In the wake of the Raiders’ first non-losing season since 2003 (face it, it’s not a winning season, either) the question is why Davis would dump the coach in the face of such obvious progress?
If you’re in the speculation business, the answer is an easy one _ because he thinks the 2010 Raiders underachieved by going 8-8, had no business going 2-8 outside the division and if coached correctly would have been a playoff team. Davis doesn’t care what the Raiders did last year, only what he thinks they should have done this year.
So getting a new coach in the face of a three-game improvement isn’t as far-fetched as it might appear, but it’s not a done deal, either.
“I hope you write this,” Cable said reporters afterward. “We’re not losers any more.”
More news, notes, quotes and observations in watching the Raiders do something amazing and frustrating at the same time:
– As impressive as it was to watch the Raiders physically dominate a 10-win Kansas City team, you wonder how they possibly could have lost eight games. No Darren McFadden, no Richard Seymour? No problem.
Michael Bush responded with 137 yards on 25 carries and a touchdown and Desmond Bryant may as well have put on Seymour’s No. 92 and it would have been hard to tell the difference (six tackles, two quarterback hits, a sack). Bryant also played some end, with Lamarr Houston moving inside.
Thus concludes the most schizophrenic season in NFL history.
Who else gives up 191 yards to the 29th-ranked Indianapolis Colts and then stuffs the No. 1 Chiefs to the tune of 115 yards, 47 of which came on a single Jamal Charles carry?
The Raiders finish the season with 1,275 yards (212.5 per game), 5.4 yards per carry and 14 touchdowns against the AFC West, and 1,219 yards and five touchdowns in 10 games outside of it. They surrendered 188 yards per game on the ground outside the division and 83.6 against the division.
Plug that one into your computer and try and make sense of it.
– It was the signature game of the season for the Raiders’ defense, with Kansas City gaining just 209 yards, and the most of the credit goes to a Raiders front four which destroyed a very solid Kansas City offensive line. Michael Huff intercepted a pass that set up a 10-yard run on a reverse to Jacoby Ford, and Stanford Routt’s interception was returned 22 yards for a touchdown. And both were gifts borne of tremendous pressure on Matt Cassel.
Cassel’s body is no doubt as painful as his stat line (11 of 33, 115 yards, two interceptions). The Raiders sacked Cassel five times and hit him countless others, then sacked backup Tyler Palko two times. The Raiders’ 47 sacks for the season is their most since 2000 when they also had 47. The last time the Raiders had more than 47 sacks was 1990 when they had 49.
“The quarterback was spooked,” defensive tackle Tommy Kelly said. “He was running away when no one was even in the pocket. I was telling Brian Waters, `You need to take him out of the game, man.’ He was rattled, bad. It was ugly. But that’s what (Mike) Waufle was stressing. He wanted to get more sacks so we could end up with more than the New York Giants.”
The Giants had two sacks in a win over Washington and finished with 46.
– Defensive backs get to clean up when the defensive front is that dominant, and Huff responded with his best game of the season.
A likely unrestricted free agent in almost any scenario in a new collective bargaining agreement, Huff doesn’t want to play anywhere else _ and he wants Cable as his coach.
“We definitely need Cable back. He’s the man for the job,” Huff said. “That’s who I want to play for. I want to come back and play for Cabes. We need to bring him back and bring the core players back. We can build around who we have.”
Huff said, “This is home. This is where I want to be. This is the team that gave me a chance to play, so I want to see this thing turned around.”
– Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha on the coaching situation: “I don’t even think that that’s an issue. I don’t even know that that’s a question right now.”
– Quarterback Jason Campbell was a steady 15-for-25 for 155 yards, a touchdown and no turnovers, having grown into the job after a tentative start after Bruce Gradkowski was out of the picture following shoulder surgery.
Campbell’s take on the coaching situation takes into account his experience of seeing revolving coaches in Washington as well as the fact that Cable gave Gradkowski his job back after a poor game in Pittsburgh.
“This is a business decision,” Campbell said. “You never get caught up in all of it. I’ve been through a lot before. I’m glad we finished the season off strong, and we’ll see what happens.”
Campbell said Cable’s talk with the team Saturday reflected the uncertainty of 2011.
“He said don’t worry about who’s going to be here and who’s not. As a quarterback, you don’t know if you’ll be here,” Campbell said. “As a defensive lineman, you don’t know. Don’t let that be your focus. Come out here and show how far we’ve come today by playing together as a unit. We always know the team is going to change. We’ve got 20-something free agents. It’s going to be an interesting offseason.”
The Raiders won’t know how many free agents they have until after the rules are established with a new collective bargaining agreement. There could be a lockout and work stoppage. Campbell will be watching closely.
“My goal is to wait and see what happens with the CBA,” Campbell said. “Everything is so up in the air right now, I don’t even know if I have insurance. We’re just trying to see what happens.”
– Kelly would like to see the team’s core return in terms of coaches and players because “I don’t see nothing but the arrow pointing up for us.”
Asked if he would talk to Davis, Kelly said, “I do not talk to Al,” but added if Davis calls him, “You don’t have any other choice but to take the phone call. If he calls, I will answer any question for him.”
– Strong side linebacker and nickel rush end Kamerion Wimbley had three sacks against the Chiefs and nine for the year, his highest total since getting 11.5 as a Cleveland rookie in 2006.
“Coach Cable believed in us more than anybody,” Wimbley said. “He encouraged us to play hard every game. Nobody quit on him. All the players here played for him. His staff as well.”
– Wide receiver Chaz Schilens caught three passes for 24 yards, including a 5-yard touchdown pass on a third-down pass from Campbell. It was his first touchdown since Dec. 20, 2009 against Denver.
“They just messed up the coverage,” Schilens said. “That’s all it was.”
Schilens, though, is apparently unclear on the concept of the team with the best overall record being the division champion.
“We’re definitely the champs in our division, I have no problems saying that,” Schilens said. “We beat every team twice, and they say that’s hard to do in the NFL. Obviously, next year, we just have to learn to win out-of-division games and take care what we’ve got to take care of. But we’re a good team.”
Looks like the Raiders 2011 schedule, assuming the season goes off as scheduled, shakes out like this:
Home: San Diego, Denver, Kansas City, New England, New York Jets, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland.
Away: San Diego, Denver, Kansas City, Buffalo, Miami, Minnesota, Green Bay, Houston.
– Chiefs coach Todd Haley: “Today was very simple. The Raiders came in here and handled us in most areas. They had 200-plus yards rushing, you give up that kind of yardage rushing you’re going to lose the game. You give up seven sacks generally you’re going to lose the game. You turn the ball over you generally lose the game. It was a disappointing performance across the board.
“This game will mean nothing to us in a few hours, because we’re going to be getting ready for an opponent.”
He discounted the breaking news of offensive coordinator Charlie Weis taking a job at the University of Florida as being a distraction.
“That was a good team we were playing. We knew that was a good team we were playing. They can run, they can throw it down the field and they play disruptive defense. The Oakland Raiders clearly played better than us.”
Said Cassel: “They dominated us all day long and there’s no other way to put that. They’re a big, physical group. They try and match you up one-on-one across the board and they were winning their one-on-one battles today.”
Kansas City will host Baltimore a week from today.
– Quite the vote of confidence for Schefter from former Raiders (and Broncos) linebacker Bill Romanowski on the CSN-Bay Area postgame show.
Schefter was co-author of Romanowski’s book “Romo: My Jekyll and Hyde Life ” written in 2005.
He called Schefter a “great guy” and said, “I wrote my book with Adam Schefter, but nobody knows what’s going to happen with the Raiders. He made it up.”
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January 2nd, 2011 at 5:02 pm
go Raiders-keep Cable
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:06 pm
The best part about the 2011 schedule is that the Chiefs will have to play at Pittsburgh and will play Indy at home while the Chargers will play Baltimore at home and the Jags on the road. The Raiders play the Browns and Texans (much easier you would think).
Raiders Schedule:
Home-Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs, Bills, Dolphins, Browns, Packers, Vikings
Away- Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs, Patriots, Jets, Texans, Bears, Lions
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Here’s what it all means:
The AFC West was very weak.
The Raiders beat weak teams.
The Raiders struggled against top teams.
The Raiders are a .500 talent.
Simple, no?
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:08 pm
The Bears game will be in Oakland? Disappointing. Guess I’ll finally have to make a pilgrimage if I want to see it.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:10 pm
hey everyone…as i was watching the game today..i was simply shaking my head in disgust because its what the raiders do better than any other team..look great when u dont have to…we can say that we are undefeated in our division and we dominated etc etc..but the games we lost when it meant the most is what ive grown tired of..u lose to the niners (when it was huge for us to win)..the cardinals(way to go janikowski) houston and miami..pittsburgh to me was the game that showed me how far away the raiders really are from being a legit contender…why did campbell look the most comfortable when grads was injured..no pressure?…cmon..playing under pressure is what ur paid to do..i dont know about the coaching…maybe bring in wade philips as a defensive coordinater.. he isnt a head coach and he would come here ….i like hugh..i think he made the most impact to our offense…not campbell not grads and def not cable…think about it..why was our mcfadden and our rushing game so good this year with the same players?…then again im just rambling on and not thinkin clearly..its tough to think clear when u have to try to wrap ur head around this team…
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:11 pm
bring back Cable!
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:12 pm
The Bears game in 2011 should be in Chicago because in
2007 we played the Lions and Bears at home. So it should be reversed in 2011. I’m not sure if Jerry is right with his article.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Davis is using Schefter and Lombardi as tools to lowball Cable. If he can get Cable for his price, he stays. If not, he’s gone. Gonna give him a take it or leave it offer.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:15 pm
alex7…u r right on ….they just werent that good and the good teams showed us just that…there is a definate improvement ..but there is alot of work to do….what do u think of ocho coming to raiders?..bad choice eh
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Duece! Cable! Cable! Cable!…
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:16 pm
if Al already found a top 5 offensive Coordinator to come in as HC, then I see Cable out. I really doubt a top coaching prospect would be taking the raiders seriously, maybe a 20 something wizkid, Al likes to pay his coaches peanuts, we all know that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Rumor monger Schefter also reported last year that it wasn’t a matter of “if” but “when” Cable gets fired….he didn’t…..just like he won’t this year…way to Report Schefter,,,,you like a weather man.. no repercussions for false reporting….go work for a tabloid.. LOSER
The Black Hole
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Alex7
We get it that you don’t like JC at QB. What realistic replacement do you have in mind? The only possibility I see here is a trade for McNabb & let the both of them shoot it our to see who starts next year. Grads, IMO, won’t be re-signed. He’s just too fragile and not reliable. Draft a 4th or 5th round QB to develop. JC & McNabb are a good enough combination to make things happen, especially if we upgrade RT, RG & C.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Quite the vote of confidence for Schefter from former Raiders (and Broncos) linebacker Bill Romanowski on the CSN-Bay Area postgame shoSchefter was co-author of Romanowski’s book “Romo: My Jekyll and Hyde Life ” written in 2005.
He called Schefter a “great guy” and said, “I wrote by book with Adam Schefter, but nobody knows what’s going to happen with the Raiders. He made it up.”
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Lol.
Like he does so much other stuff.
If you make a whole bunch of wild predictions and only one comes true, people just remember the one that came true.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Not too sure about McNab! He can’t escape like he used to…
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:19 pm
MR did you know that Alex has escaped?
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:21 pm
If you don’t have an answer, you don’t have a problem.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:22 pm
If you’re in the speculation business, the answer is an easy one _ because he thinks the 2010 Raiders underachieved by going 8-8, had no business going 2-8 outside the division and if coached correctly would have been a playoff team. Davis doesn’t care what the Raiders did last year, only what he thinks they should have done this year.
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coached correctly serious. Cables not the reason jano missed a field goal, rout and huff giving up big plays on d all season when we have a chance to win, underthrowing to recievers, I could go on. Agree on the 2-8 outside the division but those reasons I gave above plus some is the reason we went 2-8. Not cable al al al that can’t be why he would get fired someone help this man.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:23 pm
McNab? why? id rather have JC in his second season under Hue than McNab on his first.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:23 pm
today i’m proud to be a raider fan. big steps this year can’t wait for next year. the media is no longer mocking us, free agents will consider us, keep cable he’s been losing this job since the day he was introduced. he has put his heart and soul into making the raiders better and i appreciate that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Whatever they are doing is working. Please keep as much of this team in tact as possible. They are just gelling.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:24 pm
I tell you what, Cable really mnotivates this team and they believe he has their back.
Just to join Schefter in a little wild guessing, my wild guess is that nothing wild will happen.
Al will pick up next year’s option on Cable and Hue will continue to fullfill his contract.
As Tommmy Kelly said:
“..all signs point up for this team”.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:27 pm
St. Louis 7-8 vs Seattle 6-9 on Sunday night football for the division title what’s the world comming to. Why can’t the raiders be in the NFC west.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Keep Cable, because all the preseason predictation had the raiders at best going 10-6. I dnt care about the fact the we went 2-8 in non confrence games. 8-8 is still 8-8.
You cant fire a guy for Jano missing a FG and Hue sporadic play calling…thats not on Cable.
Al should try his hardest to keep both of them and then and only then will the raiders truely build on something
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Keep Cable, because all the preseason predictation had the raiders at best going 10-6. I dnt care about the fact the we went 2-8 in non confrence games. 8-8 is still 8-8.
You cant fire a guy for Jano missing a FG and Hue sporadic play calling…thats not on Cable.
Al should try his hardest to keep both of them and then and only then will the raiders truely build on something
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm
CanadianRaider,
I would bring Ochocinco in.
Not having a WR that could legitimately make big catches and big runs was a huge mistake this year.
If a guy is producing, I could care less about what he tweets or does on his own time.
No one complained about him the two years he helped Cincy make the playoffs.
DHB can be the nicest kid, block hard, and have huge heart, or whatever, but we need a big boy that can catch in traffic.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:29 pm
From all accounts, Chad also does some amazing things in the community for kids and for fans.
Plus he would instantly be our #1 receiver, so yes, that would help the W and L department. Production.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Well. if Ocho comes in…Heyward-Bey will have to change his number, again…or Chad change his name back to Johnson (which I think he should have kept anyways…)
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:32 pm
McNabb,Ocho Cinco-the insanity of it all.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:33 pm
“The quarterback was spooked,” defensive tackle Tommy Kelly said
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:33 pm
JB,
the odds of a 4th or 5th round QB developing into anything worthwhile are veeeeeery slim.
I would take a flier on Lions 3rd stringer Drew Stanton. Good arm, 2nd round pick out of Michigan State a few years ago, could be an improvement over JC either in 2012 or as quickly as next year.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Haven’t seen a Raider team like this since Gannon threw 5 ints’. If Al lets Cable go, so goes the team.
What makes him think another coach can come in here and get results? Its Al for cryin out loud.
Give Cable and Co. another year. And get right to work on next season.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm
I’d take Pat Devlin in the 3rd
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:35 pm
29.lefty12 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:32 pm
McNabb,Ocho Cinco-the insanity of it all.
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And scary. Just say no to stupidity.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:35 pm
frig i hate that tom jack(ass), er jackson … a gorilla in a suit … already handing the Patsies the Super Bowl … Boy, balls call there … BSPN SUX … didn’t even show highlights from Raiders game — just asswipe berman saying raiders clobbered chiefs and swept the division with nothing to show for it … no highlights … unfriggin believable … raiders played their best game in a long, long time today … they dominated a playoff-bound team which has had a great “o” line all year … impressive … do not change this team … give cable his credit … he earned it in probably the most difficult team to coach in the NFL
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Kyle Orton would be a good “buy low” option.
Has better career record, better TD to INT ratio, takes care of the ball better, doesn’t get sacked as often, makes downfield throws regularly.
You bring him and Stanton in, let them compete with JC, and we get a legit QB in a tough 2012 season, one way or the other.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:38 pm
yawn … the seagulls vs. the lambs in the worst division showdown in the history of the NFL … what a couple of crappy teams … why would either one want to make the playoffs and get embarrassed
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:38 pm
No Kyle Orton-ary please … Never … that would be insanity
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Seattle fans have been quoted all week saying that they want the SeaHawks to lose so they can pick up Jake Locker the Hometown Favorite
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:40 pm
You could make an argument that we were one true WR away from being a playoff team that year.
Whether that was Owens, Chad, or anyone else, despite their personalities, is unimportant if they catch the ball, run well after it, get open, score TDs, and help you win more games and make the playoffs.
Owens and Chad have been to the playoffs a combined 10 times or so.
To those that say it’s all about wins and losses, there you go.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Smart fans
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Ghost,
what makes Campbell better?
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:41 pm
I hope we beat the bejeebus out of New England, I still hate that guy,…
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Would people rather be let’s say 6-10 but for some weird reason make the playoffs. Or 8-8 and not make the playoffs like this yr. 8-8 oviously a better record but 6-10 gets you in cause you won ur divisional games. I guess being undafeated in ur division can either be awesome are not really mean anything leave it up to the raiders to have it mean nothing that’s why I love this team they do things normall teams don’t.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Ya know what’s sad … the Raiders should be playing right now kicking the dog out of the Chiefs for a playoff spot for all the raider haters to see … that would have been so sweeeeeet
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:43 pm
People say”afc west was weak” Don’t discredit what this team just did. WE RAN THE TABLE!!! THESE GUYS DESERVE CREDIT!!!!! Al needs to keep Cable & Jackson and focus on having another strong off season. We won this past offseason (draft, FA) and it showed
More controversy!!!!!! Lock down Hue and comeback strong. The comparison to the ‘99 team was good….. I believe this team can make BIGGER strides!!!!!!!!!!! Go Raiders…….Good Season
WE ARE LOSERS NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:43 pm
maybe its just me..but that thought of dhb as a db sounds more and more like a GREAT idea lol..after the game his excuse for not catching the ball would be.”well its not like the ball was intended for me or anything, what more do u expect?”
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:44 pm
draft another man to man corner, center, right guard and find a punt returner…
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Anyone who thinks that Gruden is coming back (speaking to you RMR and all of your myopic friends) is delusional… simply delusional.
Let’s recount what happened…
1) Gruden did a very good job (that is not disputable)
2) Al didn’t like the offense (Not disputable)
3) Gruden wanted a better contract
4) Gruden made Al angry
5) Al trades away Gruden
6) Gruden and the Bucs kick our butts in the SB
7) Al continues to carry a grudge against Gruden and his crew.
If Cable does get fired (and he might) he has too much pride to step ‘down’ to an o-line coach position.
Also note that any NFL head coach castoff (save Shell) gets picked up for an NCAA coaching job (Calahan, Kiffin). Cable has shown enough to get that.
RMR – please think coherently, logically, and critically about what’s going to happen in the off season.
P.S. I’m writing a letter to congress to extend unemployment benefits on your behalf so that you can continue to comment… let’s just hope the intelligence of your comments improves as your unemployment benefits get extended.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Like the Raiders, coach Cable did a very good job for the Raider Nation but not a great job. Like The Raiders, I feel coach Cable will be a better coach, well enough to coach the Raiders in playoff games. The Raiders Nation set standards ,in general, that were obtainable and they were reached. The standards were to be a respected team and have something to play for late in the season. Like the Raiders, I feel coach Cable is repected not only by the Raider organization, but by the league and non-Raiders fan that repect the game of football.
I vote to keep Coach Cable as the Oakland Raiders coach next year. The expectations will be set higher of course. I feel he can meet the expectation next year as he did this year.
Thank You, Al Davis, Coach Cable and The RAIDER NATION
Raiders Be With You
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:45 pm
and kyle orton has a weaker arm than grads….
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Alex …. JC’s no world-beater … but he now understands the system … his teammates like him … he hands the ball off as well as anybody in the league … great at play-action … he manages games well when the running game is clicking … and running the ball is going to be the M.O. of this team, whether we like it or not … not that unlike other good Raiders teams … always strong up front with big bruising linemen …
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm
No more controversy!!!! That’s what I meant to write.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Nick Miller is a quality returner.
As is Ford.
What’s bad is our punt return blocking.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:48 pm
So Ghost,
when we aren’t putting up 200 yards rushing on a team, and need our QB to come through,
you are happy to just have JC repeat his performance against the Colts from last week?
Or against the 49ers? Or Steelers? Or Rams? Or Titans?
You think that all magically changes next year vs the Jets, Patriots, Bears, and Packers?
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm
“I hope you write this,” Cable said reporters afterward. “We’re not losers any more.”
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Sealed his fate. He’s gone. Although he’s right, the way Al sees it, when Cable says “we”, he’s talking about the entire organization, including Al. He just called Al a loser, and said that Al’s no longer a loser because of him. He’s gone.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm
How is Cable going to defend 2 – 8 outside the division? It will be his deathknell
One guy that I hope we figure out how to keep is 24MHuff, he will haunt us if we let him go.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Sec .. you’re absolutely right … of course gruden is not coming to the raiders … i’m not sure i’d even want him … keep the Cable Guy … He’s getting better … and this is a talented young team that really needs to keep cohesiveness … i would be quite upset if Cable wasn’t given at least a 1-year contract extension
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Just an NFL-average QB gets us the win vs the Colts and 49ers.
Guy kept throwing 4 yard outs on 3rd and 9.
And checking it down on 3rd and 8.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:50 pm
If Mangini gets let go in Cle could he be the next DC in Oakland?
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:51 pm
The Raiders whooped but t today for no other reason than they could. Now that’s my Raiders that I remember!!
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:52 pm
So Ghost,
when we aren’t putting up 200 yards rushing on a team (vs Jets, Bears, Vikings, Patriots, and Packers next year) and need our QB to come through,
you are happy to just have JC repeat his performance against the Colts from last week? 49ers? Steelers? Rams? Titans?
You think the holding the ball too long, taking sacks, throwing INTs, checking it down on 3rd and 8 all magically changes next year?
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Palmer for Oakland raiders qb IMO. Make it happen.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Haters, Marshall just gave us the #11 defense in the NFL.
Leave him alone.
Raiderbuck,
reminded me of the Howie/Townsend/Alzado D-line days!
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm
BSPN Talking about coaches getting fired now
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Alex … JC will be better with better WRs, first, and second with a little more confidence he … and jeez, JC wasn’t the reason raiders lost to colts, not being able to stop the run was the reason–that’s not even open for debate … and MR — WTF? — Only you could take Cable’s quote and turn it into a negative
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm
alex is right…cambpell and his safe passes that are an arms length away….frustrating to watch..
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm
BSPN says Cable will be let go because Al Davis is crazy story line.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Actually, Jerry, almost all of those seasons in the ’80s and ’90s where we wound up somewhere around 8-8 (give or take a game) were like this one, schizophrenic, as you put it. We’d be all world one week, and impossible to watch the next. It’s a trademark of the Al Davis Raiders, actually. The continuity of keeping Cable has basically taken us from the cellar to that same old 80s-90s, 8-8 schizophrenia. I know I invented the taco. I hear voices. OK…that’s not funny.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm
JC had Santana Moss and Chris Cooley for 5 years. He went 20-35 in those years. Got benched for Todd Collins one year.
Got benched for 43-year old Mark Brunell another year.
Got benched by Joe Gibbs.
He’s HAD quality receivers.
Still checks down too much, holds the ball too long, turns it over too much.
It’s upstairs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Remember in 1993 we went into Buffalo and beat the Bills (Remember the Bills were the AFC’s gold standard then), then lost to the Bengals, who were the worst team in the league that year. This is nothing new.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:57 pm
if BSPN says it, the opposite is true … those guys aren’t reporters, they’re like teenage girls spreading gossip
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:57 pm
Huff is coming on more and more. I’m not sure if we will be able to keep him but he has gotten so much better.
I don’t know what happens. The report Lombardi wrote doesn’t say jack. “Likely” is what it is …suggestive and speculative without any real solid evidence.
I personally won’t miss Cable, unless we begin losing again …then I would 2nd guess the decision. But then again maybe not. Like I said, I think Cabes can take this team to the playoffs next year but I don’t think he can take them to a Super Bowl which is what its all about.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm
The guy interviewing Mortensen about coaching changes asked Mortensen why the Raiders would fire Cable after going 8-8 this year, and was obviously wondering why on earth they would.
Mort’s response? “uh, errr, well, it’s Al Davis and the Raiders.”
Solid journalism and reasoning. Just what we’ve come to expect from Mr. Moretensen.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm
This team can win 7 games just based off the talent, a good head coach can make the Raiders a 10 win team,,,that being said if Cable stays so be it,, if he goes so be it. I was never that fond of him anyway just based on the inconsistency of the O line which was supposed to be his strength. We did improve record wise so that has to be recognised, but if we have a legit shot at getting a better coach I’m all for it, but if it’s Gona be a case of making HueJax the head coach then we might as well keep Cable because Hue isn’t what I call a big upgrade. So either do it big or don’t do it at all.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Alex, I said he ain’t no world-beater .. but the original argument was: is he better than Kyle Ortonary … the bears sure got better after they sh*t-canned him
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Ya,but true.
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:59 pm
NFC Norris will be the most improved division in football next year. Minnesota’s going to be better. Detroit’s better. Bears one of the best teams in the league. Green Bay’s better. Glad to know we’ll be playing them next year, if there’s a season.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Roch R Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm
How is Cable going to defend 2 – 8 outside the division? It will be his deathknell
One guy that I hope we figure out how to keep is 24MHuff, he will haunt us if we let him go.
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Not cables fault. Players got to execute period and a lot of times they didn’t plain and simple. Huff has a chance to be a stud he needs to be a raider.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm
ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:57 pm
if BSPN says it, the opposite is true …
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Actually, it’s quite the opposite when it comes to the Raiders. They’re almost always right about the Raiders.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:01 pm
The loss that was the most disapointing one of the season to me was the first game at Tenn. We were flat and not prepared. Got our asses handed to us. I am hoping that Grads is gone. thank you but take your weak little arm elsewhere or be content coming off the bench after McNabb and Boller.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:01 pm
You have to let Cable have one more year, unless some BIG name comes in which isn’t going to happen, if for no other reason that Al Davis won’t pay them. Say what you want about Cable this is a our best season in years and you have to let it ride!
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:03 pm
go ahead and believe those rumor mongers … i for one refuse … they take stabs in the dark and have a 50-50 chance of being correct … no journalistic talent whatsoever …. just talking heads for the most part
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:03 pm
they, bspn, are never right about anything. they are a joke and trying to become bigger than the sports they report on. do you also get your regular news from the Enquireer? That is what they are…lol
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:03 pm
In other news, Tebow can do it all. I know this to be true because I heard it on ESPN. I know he was only 16 of 36 and threw two INTs today, but boy can that kid run and he’s such a LEADER!
The Favre lovefest is over. Welcome to the Tim Tebow era.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Kyle Orton would be a good
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Good call alex
If Timmie starts Orton might look for another starting position. His stats aren’t that bad.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Cables option will be picked up and Hue Jackson has another year on his contract here.
The Raiders have to allow another team permission to talk to Hue regarding a HC gig.
Old man Al will deny permission from other teams to speak to Hue.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Whatever BSPN reports about the Raiders….expect the opposite to happen!
LOL
Old man Al hates BSPN as should the whole Raider Nation….cause they are Raider haters over there at BSPN!
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:07 pm
56.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm
“I hope you write this,” Cable said reporters afterward. “We’re not losers any more.”
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Sealed his fate. He’s gone. Although he’s right, the way Al sees it, when Cable says “we”, he’s talking about the entire organization, including Al. He just called Al a loser, and said that Al’s no longer a loser because of him. He’s gone.
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I gotta admit. Only you have the insight to read between the lines like that. Truly amazing. May be right, maybe not. But your gift of insight no less is amazing. Mind boggling to say the least.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
I really, really, really, hate the Patriots,…
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Almost all of you guys tha want to keep Cabes are doing so with qualifiers (e.g. unless we can bag so and so; unless Hue is going to leave, etc).
Face it. Acknowledge exactly what that is telling you! You don’t think Cabes is that good of a HC. Period! Otherwise, you would not have to qualify your statements.
You only want him for continutity purposes and because you like him …just like the players …heck I like him because he really wants to coach the Raiders; sht but so do “I” really want to coach the Raiders. LOL. This means nothing if you can’t win big in this league! Cabes is not a championship coach imho.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Edward … great post … I love that Tebow is now beloved in Donkeyville and nationwide … best thing that could happen for the raiders … we will be beating him to a pulp for years to come …
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:12 pm
what’s wrong raiderbuck? … you don’t like bill belacheat and the brady bunch … me either … f*#@ck them
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:15 pm
BSPN is talking like Cable is gone already.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:16 pm
92.ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Edward … great post … I love that Tebow is now beloved in Donkeyville and nationwide … best thing that could happen for the raiders … we will be beating him to a pulp for years to come …
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I kind of wish that the Raiders drafted Tebow. I’ve got a feeling that he’s gonna light us up.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:17 pm
# Raiderbuck Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:15 pm
BSPN is talking like Cable is gone already.
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Because he is.
Did you read what Cable said today?
“We’re not losers anymore”
Most obvious, clear shot at Al ever taken by an active head coach, this side of Lance. He’s gone.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Wrong,Terp.he has brought this team back from the bottom.We have gotten better both years he has been here.He has made it so we aren’t the laughing stock of the entire league.He has changed the culture and has the players believing in themselves and the team.I believe he can lead this team all the way if given the chance.How long did the Stealers stick with Cowher before he finally won the big game?How long did we stick with Madden before he won the big one?
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:19 pm
This is essentially Cables year as head coach with his own players.. the interm year had lane kiffin personal and anybody who is FORCED to start Jamarcus as the leader has no chance. Please Keep Cable one more year.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Remember when Kiffin responded to the reporter who asked him if he was “satisfied” with the 2-2 record going into the bye in ‘07 by telling him, “That’s the exact type of attitude I’m trying to change around here”, and Al’s kool aid drinkers went nuts calling for his head? What Cable said today is basically what Kiffin said, on flippin andro nuclear roids!
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:20 pm
here, here lefty … all true … cable is learning – and improving … don’t want to start from scratch again
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
But Madden (more than Cowher) were winners. Cable still hasn’t had a winning record given 2yrs.
I like Cabes but I don’t think he can win a Super Bowl.
(btw ..I think Cowher is a overrated coach …his successor is much better)
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:22 pm
When Cable says, “We’re not losers anymore”, is he not referring to Al as much so as anyone else? Who are these losers he’s speaking of, that HE turned into winners? Never mind firing him. I think Al’s going to call up some of his old mafia goons and have him killed.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Cable’s not going to get fired tomorrow. Instead he’s going to get pulled over and they’re going to find cocaine in his car.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:23 pm
sorry MR … wrong … if cable is gone, it’s not because of anything he said today … if he’s gone, it’s because al made up his mind before today’s game … and who’s he going to replace him with? hue? no HC experience … i doubt Cowher would come here for what al pays … any other candidates? do tell, if you’re so sure he’s gone
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
What this team showed you today was it has the talent to win many more games than it did. That’s what you call an underachievement. Whether its Cabes, Marshall, or Hue ….somebody’s got to take some heat.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Thats what Al is going to see.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Whatever you say, Ghost. All I know is “we’re not losers anymore” has to insult Al. It has to. Who isn’t a loser anymore?
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Madden inherited a team that had lost 1 game the previous year.Cable inherited a mess.You can’t compare the two.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Rams defense is swarming. This Spagnolu is for real. Smart hire. Pete Carol, by the way, is still a putz.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Question…if hue gets an HC offer from another team..does Al offer the job to him and let Cable go?
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:27 pm
keep in mind boys, this is a young raiders team with little or no experience winning in the nfl … consistency takes time to develop … it does not happen overnight … but you saw a big step today that the Raiders are finally “getting” what it takes to win in the NFL
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:28 pm
If you’re in the speculation business, the answer is an easy one _ because he thinks the 2010 Raiders underachieved by going 8-8, had no business going 2-8 outside the division and if coached correctly would have been a playoff team. Davis doesn’t care what the Raiders did last year, only what he thinks they should have done this year.
So getting a new coach in the face of a three-game improvement isn’t as far-fetched as it might appear, but it’s not a done deal, either.
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Best stuff I’ve seen from Jerry.
Cable is great if none better are out there. Al owes it to these guys to get them the best.
Al should make some calls, scan the landscape, shake some trees, and see what falls out.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
100.ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:20 pm
here, here lefty … all true … cable is learning – and improving … don’t want to start from scratch again
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IF Cabes improves into a championship caliber coach I’m all for it! But right now it appears quite clearly that Hue is a better coach than Cabes.
Cabes took a top 5 running offense under Kiffin and turned it into a bottom 10 with inconsistent Oline play, which was suppose to be his specially btw. And even called plays to the detriment of the line itself.
Hue arrives and returns that said offense into a Top 2 rushing attack along with a decent passing attack; and even showed some moxy protecting the line with play calls when they were overwhelmed.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
This entire team is one big enigma…It’s identity is almost bipolar…
Dominant one week, mediocre the next. That’s the story of this team.
I said it for the entire season, the play of the o-line would determine our season…
“Fix the O-line, Win the division” was my motto.
Our o-line completely disappeared against Tennessee, Pittsburgh and Miami. They didn’t pass protect or run block.
Our o-line was inconsistent all season long and the entire team played like it…
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
This isn’t Cable’s first year, it’s his 3rd. And don’t tell me his first year he was stuck with Kiffin’s staff. Kiffin was stripped of all power in January of ‘08. He was nothing more than a lame duck with coconuts in the ‘08 season. He was a walking dead man. Cable started from scratch.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm
The short-sightedness shown by many amazes me.Do you forget where we were 2 years ago?Do you forget how we all wanted some continuity?Now we are making progress and you want to start all over again?Isn’t that how we got in the rut of 7 double digit losing seasons in a row?
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:31 pm
MR … even Al isn’t arrogant enough not to know that the raiders had the WORST record in the NFL the last seven seasons … the Raiders were losers … he knew that … everybody knew that … i don’t get where you’re coming from on this take … They were BIG LOSERS for many years … Any arguments? … Today they came halfway back to respectability at .500 … Cable believes playoffs and 11-5, 12-4 seasons are next …
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Correction ..I think Kiffin had a Top 6 rushing attack
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:32 pm
# Raiders for life Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:16 pm
92.ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Edward … great post … I love that Tebow is now beloved in Donkeyville and nationwide … best thing that could happen for the raiders … we will be beating him to a pulp for years to come …
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I kind of wish that the Raiders drafted Tebow. I’ve got a feeling that he’s gonna light us up.
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Teblow is a few concussions away from being out of the league.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Cable’s biggest mistake this season was his indecision at the QB spot…And honestly that was not entirely his fault.
If Jason Campbell hadn’t stunk up the field in the game opener and was playing at the level that he is now from the beginning, the Gradkowski issue would have never come up.
Al Davis picked Jason Campbell, and before that Jamarcus Russell. Those are the cards he was dealt with.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:34 pm
The last coach we’ve had for longer than 3 years was Jon Gruden. Gruden’s 3rd year, he had us in the AFC championship game, in the top tier of this league. Cable in 3 years basically got us back to that mediocre ’80s and ’90s level of ending 8-8 every year, give or take a game. Big whoop. Bye, Cable.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Cable plays a strong role on this team … he is learning consistency as a head coach while his team is learning consistency as players … time cures all ails … even the raiders recent slide … it’s over … this team is going to get much better if kept intact
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:35 pm
ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:31 pm
even Al isn’t arrogant enough not to know that the raiders had the WORST record in the NFL the last seven seasons
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Al’s arrogant enough for anything, and is very sensitive about what coache’s say. Cable is gone.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:36 pm
116.lefty12 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm
The short-sightedness shown by many amazes me.Do you forget where we were 2 years ago?Do you forget how we all wanted some continuity?Now we are making progress and you want to start all over again?Isn’t that how we got in the rut of 7 double digit losing seasons in a row?
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Nope not short sighted at all. Truth be told I never was a Cable guy even though I liked the guy. I never beleived he was a good HC – because he wasn’t! And I wasn’t even willing to endure the continuity argument last year because he was that bad!
In comes Hue and I said OK, I can live with that because Cables offense STUNK and his playcalling was HORRIFIC – do you remember that? AND his game management was almost as bad as his playcalling!
Yes I remember all of that.
This team has the talent to win many games but he’s not getting it done. That’s what you saw today.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:37 pm
yeah, MR .. and you still haven’t told us — if it’s such a foregone conclusion — who’s going to coach this team … listening
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:37 pm
McDanials was a good OC and a terrible HC.Singletary was a good Def. coach but a terrible HC.Who is to say jackson would be an improvement at HC.To be honest,even though we have improved on offense,he made quite a few bone head decisions this year himself.IMO,at least 3 of our loses can be attributed to him.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:37 pm
We need a coach who will take control of this football team, and complain to the league when Al meddles. If a coach signs some stupid contract saying Al can meddle with things that are typically coaches decisions in the NFL, or has to abide by some stupid “Raider way”, then he’s a failure out of the gate. Nobody should sign such a stupid contract. Let the Raiders go without a coach. Or, sign the thing, and fight it right away. Stir up a storm. Go to the league and make a case that Al Davis is flat out sabotaging coaches’ records by meddling.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:38 pm
122.ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Cable plays a strong role on this team … he is learning consistency as a head coach while his team is learning consistency as players … time cures all ails … even the raiders recent slide … it’s over … this team is going to get much better if kept intact
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Maybe. If he gets better I can deal with it. But that’s for Al to decide. Either way, I know we’ll at least make the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Sal Pal from Philly is reporting that Andy Reid will be ready to bench Mike Vick early next week if he struggles.
Consider that a lock.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:40 pm
I don’t accept the excuse that coaches fail because Al meddles. Do something about it. Do what Gruden did. Do what Kiffin tried to do. Take control of the team anyway. Make Al fire you. Make him have to go to one arbitration hearing after another. Dont’ allow yourself to be scapegoated, for crying out loud. Kiffin didn’t win his arbitration, but because he put up a fight, everyone outside of the Al Davis kool aid nation knows that Al was sabotaging him. In that sense, he won.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:40 pm
As far as the O-line, I blame part of the o-line’s woes on Cable but not all.
He is supposed to be an o-line guru and his love affair with Henderson at Left Tackle lasted far too long. And his Veldheer at Center experiment failed miserably and was partially responsible for the Tennessee loss.
But remember the 08 draft? Cable referred to the O-line prospects as big Cadillacs that he would love to have! Well Al Davis went out and drafted DHB to take the place of Jamarcus Russell as the poster child for high priced draft busts.
We could have had stability on the o-line for years to come!
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:41 pm
126.lefty12 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:37 pm
McDanials was a good OC and a terrible HC.Singletary was a good Def. coach but a terrible HC.Who is to say jackson would be an improvement at HC.To be honest,even though we have improved on offense,he made quite a few bone head decisions this year himself.IMO,at least 3 of our loses can be attributed to him.
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No one knows. I guess that’s the beauty and the curse of being in the decision box while we are left here to speculate on what could be.
I “feel” like Hue could be another Mike Tomlin based on the way he talks ….he speaks just like him …its motivating.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:41 pm
that’s what we need MR … just when we’re starting to play some real football again is to stir up a sh*#@tstorm … no … we need consistency … that’s all that’s separating this team from being all the way back … any doubts, look at our young players
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:43 pm
In the airport now on my way to Vegas. I just ran into some Raider fans who went to the game at the bar. They said it was completely nuts. Chris fans were in total shock and despair.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:44 pm
I don’t know how many more Kiffin situations Al can take, because he didn’t look so good at the press conference when he fired Kiffin. Fight this guy. Run your team right under his nose. Make him fire you. Make him work to get out of paying you. Exhaust him. He’s 81 years old and chooses to still run an NFL team and sabotage his employees. There’s not an easier target for a coup d’ ‘etat. I don’t know why coaches put up with his meddling. After Kiffin, this man doesn’t have much legs left. Take him on and make him appeal his obligation to pay you.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:44 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:40 pm
I don’t accept the excuse that coaches fail because Al meddles. Do something about it. Do what Gruden did. Do what Kiffin tried to do. Take control of the team anyway. Make Al fire you. Make him have to go to one arbitration hearing after another. Dont’ allow yourself to be scapegoated, for crying out loud. Kiffin didn’t win his arbitration, but because he put up a fight, everyone outside of the Al Davis kool aid nation knows that Al was sabotaging him. In that sense, he won.
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MR you’re entitled to your opinion just like everyone else, but what you’re talking about isn’t gonna happen, bottom line. I really liked Jon Gruden but he isn’t coming here. Cable is currently the best coach for this team…
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:45 pm
“Cheif fans” damn auto correct.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Ghost, just how long should we give Cable? 10 years? The industry standard is 3. 3. If you don’t have your team competing for a SB in 3 years, you’re gone. Period. Cable has no excuse. Gruden did it. Cable couldn’t. 3 years, and all he’s got us to is that same old mediocre 8-8 slot, same place we were at in all of those frustrating 80s and 90s seasons. No thanks. Set a goal of winning a Super Bowl, not just winning a few games.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:46 pm
This phone is killing me. I really don’t spell this bad.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Vegas trip sounds pretty nice about now.
Where u staying Morilla?
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:48 pm
MR is a Davis hater … and truth be told, he’s pretty miffed when the Raiders win because it’s a little harder to bash Al … Personally, I don’t give a flying frig if they hire a monkey grinder for coach and pay him peanuts (literally) if the team plays like it did today … that was raider football — kick the other team in the teeth — and then kick ‘em again and again and again …
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Bottom line is Cable and crew raised expectations this year. Keep them around to give this young team a chance to develop into the schemes/terminologies & learn the intricacies.
Other QBs & have benefited from contitnuity overtime.
And if Cabes can’t make the playoffs next year Al can always fire him then. But right now one more year should do it.
But hey if we can get a marquee coach…But that may not be possible
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:49 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Cable is currently the best coach for this team…
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Yeh, a coach who gets a team to 8-8 in 3 years is the best possible coach you can have. your expectations are high, aren’t they? Just so you know, the object of this game is winning a Super Bowl, not finishing 8-8. But if you want, you can make your own 2010 Raiders, 8-8 t shirt. LOL. Ignore the laughs when you do so. You’re a fan with pride!
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Although can’t see much logic in putting in Kolb.
18-36 with 3 picks??
Not sure I would give up anything more than a 4th rounder for Kevin Kolb.
Why do we think he is good again?
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:50 pm
MR .. i give him one more year … nobody can argue he is heading in the right direction … do you really want to start from scratch with a HC … again
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:51 pm
# ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:48 pm
MR is a Davis hater …
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What’s wrong with that?
Why shouldn’t a fan of a sports team hate an 81 year old owner/Gm who ruins the team and refuses to step down?
You make it sound as if hating Al is morally wrong or something. My are you confused.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:52 pm
# ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:50 pm
do you really want to start from scratch with a HC … again
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YES!
I want a coach who has a goal of winning a Super Bowl, not just to win 8 games and say “We’re not losers anymore!”. This is the NFL, not the special olympics.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:52 pm
If Al replaces Marshall and keeps Cabes and Hue; then I can live with that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:53 pm
releaving Cable of HC duties would be a disaster.
You build on momentum, not dismiss and take one step backwards WITH THE HOPE that you will eventually take two steps forward.
See zero logic in that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:54 pm
never said it was wrong … simply stated it as fact … i’m a raiders fan and al comes with the package … nothing i can do about it … like what i saw from the team today … that’s what matters to me
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Hey Ghost, make a T shirt that says, “Oakland Raiders, We’re not Losers Anymore!”"
LMFAO!!!!
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:55 pm
“Momentum” is nothing but a “Hope” that it continues.
Likewise.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:55 pm
DHB needs to earn his reps and really his roster spot next year.
He was comically bad today. Zero catches, one drop, one fumble.
He looked like he wanted nothing to do with that reverse. What type of bad azz WR gets the first play called for him in the game, and he ghostwalks through it and than fumbles it to boot??
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:55 pm
What momentum, JFB? We were out of it for all intents and purposes when we lost to Miami. Today’s game didn’t count, in case you didn’t know. Chiefs had nothing to lose, we had nothing to gain. Season was over for us before kickoff.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:56 pm
and JFB is point-on … by the way, MR, never heard Cable say his goal was 8-8 … in fact, he said they fell short of the real goal “to make the playoffs” or did you miss that part of the interview?
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:57 pm
I’m going to have to disagree, the Raiders have been so terrible they don’t have the luxury of taking a chance. They need to keep things the way they are, I might be okay with a DC change but nothing so big as a HC change!
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:57 pm
RMR is a life long troll, not a fan. He stirs the pot strictly for attention. He said we could never win more than 5 with Al, we won 8, it should have been more and it kills him every time we win.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:57 pm
I did miss that, Ghost. I couldn’t stop laughing after Cable said “We’re not Losers Anymore”.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:58 pm
yeah. MR, i’m sure the chiefs wanted to get their asses kicked the week before the playoffs … that’s why the starters played the entire game and that’s why Cassell admitted the raiders kicked their butts
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Chiefs had nothing to lose, we had nothing to gain
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BS.
Playoffs are all about seeds. They win and they get the #3 seed and play the Jets rather than Ravens (32 of 32 NFL teams would rather play the Jets) and than they would have not had to go to New England in the divisional round.
Chiefs HAD A LOT to play for. We had less to play for than them.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:58 pm
‘Sup fellas.
What an impressive performance today. While a lot of NFL teams with no shot at the playoffs rolled over and died like dogs today…Cle,Buff,Miami and Carolina, not so for Tom Cable’s Raiders.
They went into a cold, hostile environment and kicked the first place Chief’s azzez.
Sorry, no..this wasn’t a meaningless, ehibition game. Wrong again. The Chefs wanted this one and wanted it badly. They didn’t want to get swept by their bitter division rival. They wanted to keep their unbeaten home record intact. Most importantly they wanted to go into playoffs with momentum..not getting their azzes kicked up around their shoulder blades.
If they didn’t, they wouldn’t have left Cassell in their to take the brutal beating he was taking. If it was meaningless to them they would’ve pulled him early.
BTW, it was pretty impressive how the Raiders’ archaic man-to-man defense shut down KC and Weiss’ state of the art passing game weasn’t it? Cassell and his 27-5 td/int ratio. Bowe and his 14 TD catches. Shut their butts down.
I’d like to see Cable and his staff back next year. See if they can take the next step. I don’t see why not.
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Ghost, I don’t know what the Chiefs wanted. All I know is that this game meant nothing to them.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Hu Jax as HC would be the wrong move IMHO…we need at least another year to evaluate his offense, he got a little too cute at times.
Besides any offense was bound to get better after releasing a Walrus sized obstacle…
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:00 pm
The “Grudenites” are extremely annoying…. Gruden was/is a TERRIBLE drafting coach. He is probably one of the more overrated coaches in modern history He went to TB as an offensive guru and won with a premier defense that had the table completely set Gruden coming back is not the answer… Just get over it. In addition Gruden has a nice comfortable job in the booth. He isnt going anywhere. And thats a good thing, IMO
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:01 pm
MR, read bukeye’s post … well said ..
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:02 pm
LOL. 2 seasons or so ago Dolphins won like 3 or 4 of their final games in a row and everyone was talking about keeping the momentum. LOL.
Its pretty hard to keep the momentum when are out of the game for months on a beach drinking fancy straw drinks and sht.
Yep. You know how that season began and ended when the new season began. 1 season has nothing to do with the next.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:02 pm
The Chiefs know they’re not a Super Bowl team. They haven’t played that well this year and they’re in the playoffs. I don’t care what seeding was at stake for them, they played today like the game meant nothing, because it really didn’t. They can’t believe they’re in. They can’t believe the Raiders made it this easy on them by choking against Miami and Jacksonville. I can, though.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Teabag … Agree 1 million percent … gruden is the phoniest super bowl winning coach in the history of the game … took over a team that dungy built and beat a team he knew better than his own family … talk about right place/right time … grudenites — funny
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:04 pm
In the wake of the Raiders’ first non-losing season since 2003 (face it, it’s not a winning season, either)
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No need for this comment Jerry. You must have lost money today by betting on th chefs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:05 pm
terrapin is right … there is no momentum from last season … but there is good young, improving players and the raiders have lots of those
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:05 pm
raidertalk Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Hu Jax as HC would be the wrong move IMHO…we need at least another year to evaluate his offense, he got a little too cute at times.
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I agree with this and wish it were possile; but maybe we don’t have that luxury. That is the problem we face. If Hue is no threat to leave for another HC gig; then I say we do just that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:06 pm
If Gruden had lost Super bowl 37 you would be saying he stunk because he couldn’t even beat a team that he knew, while having a great defense to fall back on, Ghost. He wins, now you’re saying he’s a fake. I reject your double standard. Gruden’s job was to win, he won. End of story.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:07 pm
and the nice thing about al, which MR fails to see, is that he is as good as anybody at keeping quality players … so, there’s your upside to Al …
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:07 pm
2006 season for the #3 and #4 seed in the AFC came down to the last week for the Colts-Pats.
Sure as shat they ended up in the AFC championship game, with the game in Indy. Lead to a Super Bowl win.
They pack it in week 17 and say who cares about the #3 or #4, they don’t win the Super Bowl.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:08 pm
I’m out. Only time will tell what Al will do.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Whatever he decides I will still root Raider
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:09 pm
If Cable should be fired, so should Jon Marshall, but I think Marshall redeemed himself today.
He and Cable should both be given another chance.
Here is what needs to happen…..
OFFENSE
- On offense we need a quality # 1 receiver ASAP. Cut DHB immediately!
- Put Veldheer on protein shakes and make him live in the weight room this off season. With a year of experience and about 15 pounds of muscle, he can be our starting RT for years to come. Cut Mario Henderson. He’s garbage.
- Acquire a RG and RT through free agency. Carlisle and Walker should be backups. Or Walker should be moved inside to Guard. Develop Bruce Campbell this off season or cut him if he can’t be a starter for us.
- Target Wiz 2 or Pouncey in the draft to challenge Satele for the starting Center spot. Satele improved over the season, but still gets manhandled too much and gets blown off the line of scrimmage by bull rushes. We need to find our new version of Barrett Robbins…
DEFENSE
- Bring in Haynesworth and another big DT to shore up the middle of that line…Move Seymour or Kelly to the outside D tackle spot. Stopping the run must be our biggest priority on defense.
- Get Jonathan Joseph to be the anchor on the opposite side of Nnamdi. Routt and Johnson can not get it done on a consistently level. We need another shutdown corner across from Nnamdi.
- Don’t let Branch start at safety anymore. He gives up too many big plays.
If we do those things, we will win the division next season and go deep into the playoffs with Jason Campbell as the QB.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:09 pm
ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:07 pm
and the nice thing about al, which MR fails to see, is that he is as good as anybody at keeping quality players
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What?
I won’t even ask you to back that up with results, to save you the embarrassment. Let’s just pretend you never said it.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Just Fire Baby has every stat except for the Raiders’ record. LOL
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:10 pm
MR, gruden ain’t coming back — ever … and he is overrated, but well liked … i know you like him .. that’s fine — listen to him on MNF … by the way, nobody will ever convince me that gruden didn’t inherit that team and the luck of drawing the raiders for the super bowl .. uncanny luck
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Ghost to the Post, I’m going to have a shirt made for you, black, with white lettering, “2010 Raiders, We’re Not Losers Anymore”, and with a picture of Cable on the sideline underneath the lettering. Give me a p.o. box. Free of charge. My xmas gift to you.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Not sure if anyone noticed, but Wiz 2.0 wasn’t playing C for Penn State the last 8 games.
If he isn’t the best C for the Penn State Nittany Lions, I doubt he is better than Satele.
He is a G prospect in the NFL, and probably a good one.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Ghost, everyone knows Gruden inherited Dungy’s team. But the bottom line is, his job was to win with that hand, and he did. Had he not, you’d be clowning him for that. But he did. The least you could do is give him props for that much. But you won’t. Now you’re calling him a fake. How would you like it if someone called the Raiders entire ‘02 season a fake because they just won with Gruden’s team? Wouldn’t seem fair, would it? You did the same thing with the ‘02 Bucs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:16 pm
you’re friggin hysterical dude … never said 8-8 was good or that it was a goal or anything like that … you’re the one who keeps saying that … i only said they definitely improved and definitely have good young talent and cable deserves another season … anything else you are reading you are inventing in your own hazy mind
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:16 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Just Fire Baby has every stat except for the Raiders’ record. LOL
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The wife got me the Sports Illustrated NFL almanac.
About 600 pages of almost 100% stats.
Don’t try to pass your nonsense off around me without your A game.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Year 1 – Interm -KIffin team.
Year 2- Jamarcus forced to start(Nuff said)
Year3 -6-0 in division-
(beat Chargers twice-started the season without bush- didnt have a #1 receiver- a true left tackle- a gem of a rookie ford was hurt)
Keep Cable he deserves one more year
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Houston, Haynesworth, Kelly and Seymour on run downs WILL stop the run. Along with Scott and Shaughnessy on passing plays, that D Line will be arguably the best in the league.
Stopping the run and NOT giving up the BIG play must be the biggest priorities on defense this off season.
Marshall should be told that if he ever uses that 5 safety package again he will be fired immediately FOR CAUSE!
Furthermore, Marshall must develop more creative blitz packages and teach his defense how to disguise their blitzes and not reveal them 15 seconds before the QB snaps the ball.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm
” John Madden isnt walking through that door”
Who else can work with Al Davis who else can get a big , bad Raider locker room to chant ” hip hop horray” ..?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:20 pm
ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:16 pm
cable deserves another season
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No, he doesn’t. 3 years, and the best he can do is 8-8. Bus ticket time. We need a coach who’s serious about winning a Super Bowl.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Why would anyone want a POS like Haynesworth on the team? Oh ya, if he’s on a 4-3 D he’ll be the best in the league!;^)
~He’s done. Print that!
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Shark, what do you mean JaMarcus forced to start? Cable is the head coach. He can start whoever he wants. If Al Davis forced him to start Russell, he should have flat out denied him, and started who he wanted anyway. If Al won’t let Cable get a quarterback he wants, he should have gone to the league. Went to arbitration. Who cares if there’s some clause in the contract that forces him to run the team Al’s way, or whatever. Stir up a storm. Don’t let Al pull your strings then scapegoat you. Gruden and Kiffin sure as hell didn’t. If Cable let Al force him to start Russell, it’s his own fault.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:22 pm
RMR,
Christmas is over and all, but since we’re in the gift giving mood, I’ve got one for you. First, a lil background..
About 10 years ago my wife and I went to the Black Sabbath/Ozzy reunion concert. Godsmack opened up. Anyway, at the T-shirt stand they were selling shirts that read: “Black Sabbath ruined my Life”. Struck me as kinda funny.
I’ll have you one made with a variation on that theme. It’ll say “Al Davis ruined my life”. It’ll have the Raider logo w/ a lil teardrop running down his patch-eyed face. Because apparently Al has turned you into one whiny, miserable lil human being.
I’ll send it To: RealMaddenRaider
c/o His mom’s basement
Somewhere in Sacramento,Ca
I’m sure the postman can find it. You’re welcome in advance.
Happy Holidays!
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Is there a coach that is going to take this job, without choosing his QB or staff, that is worth a crap??
Seriously, Tom Cable is about as good as Al is going to get to sign on the bottom of the line.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Alright, Vegas, calm down. Just having a little fun. You sound like you have a cool wife. A sports almanac. Right on.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Is Condo a free agent? Please?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:24 pm
who told you cable wasn’t serious about winning a super bowl? … did he tell you that — or are you just assuming … do you really think there’s coach in the nfl who’s not serious about winning the super bowl? … there’s 6 billion people in the world and 30 NFL HCs … kind of think being serious about winning the super bowl is a prerequisite for the job
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm
This whole thing about coaches not being able to choose their QB and staff under Al Davis is a cop out. A coach that wants to win puts sleeping pills in Al’s coffee and hires his own staff before Al comes to. They do whatever it takes. Pull whatever trick they have to. They don’t just stand there, let Al sabotage them, only to eventually scapegoat them. Any coach who’s that spineless deserves to be fired for that alone. All the more reason to fire Cable.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Love the logic that Campbell is about as good as the Raiders can get, because we don’t develop QB’s and the best ones aren’t coming here.
The same exact logic should apply to the HC gig, only to the 10th degree..
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm
buckeye … lmao … good stuff
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:24 pm
who told you cable wasn’t serious about winning a super bowl?
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His record, loud and clear. 8-8 after 3 years? This guy belongs on a sled.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Cable fired yet?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
MAN, RICKEY HENDERSTON WAS ONE FAST FILIPINO…
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
# Dakota Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Cable fired yet?
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Without a doubt. Just waiting on the official word.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
yeah, he was trying for 8-8 … he’d love to go work as a garbage collector in Compton instead of coaching an NFL team .. who wouldn’t?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Phil Jackson needs firing more than Cable…
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
The Raiders players, to the man, played like they wanted to ensure Cable retained his job. That tells me a lot.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Home: San Diego, Denver, Kansas City, New England, New York Jets, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland.
Away: San Diego, Denver, Kansas City, Buffalo, Miami, Minnesota, Green Bay, Houston.
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NE, Det, Chi, GB are the only teams that “concern” me.
Should EASILY be a 10 win team next year!
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Just remember when the race war goes full tilt in here tonight, the first stone was cast with comment #202.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Raiders run D didn’t seem all that much better, but we did improve by 22 yards per game, lol.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:31 pm
ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
yeah, he was trying for 8-8 …
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Oh, I’m sure he was “trying” to win a Super Bowl, ghost. What I meant is that he clearly doesn’t know how. That’s what I meant about having a coach who’s serious about winning a super bowl. A 40 year old, broke, out of shape guy at the night club is serious about getting laid, too.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Bo, is your screen name an answer to a Wheel of Fortune question … I didn’t know Rickey was Filipino
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:31 pm
# lefty12 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm
The short-sightedness shown by many amazes me.Do you forget where we were 2 years ago?Do you forget how we all wanted some continuity?Now we are making progress and you want to start all over again?Isn’t that how we got in the rut of 7 double digit losing seasons in a row?
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When Coach Jackson is hired, Cable and Marshall will be gone.
Offense keeps continuity, and defense gets better.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:31 pm
lol
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:32 pm
“If even though we not in the playoffs we pulled the chiefs pants down and spanked they ass today.”
MBush on Twitter
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:32 pm
All these hated reporters like Lombardi and Shefter are claiming sources say Cable is gone….that doesn’t bode well for the Fire Cable croud…Al is just playing games.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
QGroves on Twitter:
“Would the real AFC West Champs please stand up….O yea we did!!!”
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Hey, another season, ending early.
Another group of posters who rush to post a comment they got right, while hoping noone remembers the dozens they missed by a mile.
Another slew of ‘keep cable’ or ‘keep JC’ posters.
Another off season of hearing how we stink…geez.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
The owner of the NY Giants has stated publicly that he will be retaining Tom Coughlin, saying he saw no reason to fire a HC for whom the the team respected and played hard for. Name me one Raiders player of consequence who has quit on Tom Cable?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
# Raiders for life Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Question…if hue gets an HC offer from another team..does Al offer the job to him and let Cable go?
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NO, SIMPLE SOLUTION HERE:
Make TC the GM & make HuJack the HC. Then all that needs to change are the business cards. Everything else is SOP.
LOL
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
QGroves on Twitter:
“Would the real AFC West Champs please stand up….O yea we did!!!”
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Real AFC West Champs were able to win a game or two against real NFL competition…..aka not the AFC West or NFC West
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Jason Campbell finished the year with 59% completion, 13 TD’s to 10 turnovers, and the 19th in QB rating.
84.5 QB rating, which is slightly less than last year and a hair better than ‘08.
That’s who he is, a slightly better than 1-1 TD:turnover ratio, about 60% completion and avg QB rating.
Did like his mobility in the pocket this year. That was better than advertised.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Is there a coach that is going to take this job, without choosing his QB or staff, that is worth a crap??
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A new coach will be able to choose most of his staff since most of the assts contracts are up.
Coach bringing in his own QBs????
You mean like getting rid of Cutler, or bringing in McNabb???
Expect to see the owners trending away from giving these newbies control of the roster like that. It’s a ridiculous concept.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Spartacus, you can’t be serious. Coughlin won a Super Bowl.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:35 pm
those BSPN reporters are instructed to fabricate “news” about the raiders because they know they are eliciting a response from the nation
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:35 pm
I am Spartacus Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
The Raiders players, to the man, played like they wanted to ensure Cable retained his job. That tells me a lot.
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Too bad those players laid down when we really needed a win….like against Miami, 49ers and Indy.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
he was no sal bando, either
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
I don’t know, Dakota. Cable’s comment today, “We’re not losers anymore”, can’t sit well with Al. Who’s “we”?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Hey, MR. curious bout something.
Do you think it’s not obvious to everyone that you are ghost? posting to yourself? like you do after each game, where you bring back an old handle, or create a new one, just to have someone to talk to?
you think anyone hasn’t figured it out? or no?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:37 pm
# ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:35 pm
those BSPN reporters are instructed to fabricate “news” about the raiders because they know they are eliciting a response from the nation
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LOL. A Raider fan accusing other organizations of taking orders and conspiracies.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:37 pm
And Al Davis is no Charlie Finley…
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:38 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Who said MBush was uneducated or a thug? Talk about baiting…
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Well, when you see a salmon swim right under the boat…
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Huff said. “That’s who I want to play for. I want to come back and play for Cabes. We need to bring him back and bring the core players back. We can build around who we have.”
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Careful there, Huffy. The Cabes? That’s exactly the type of thing Davis hates. The coach taking credit. Start doing that and Cable’s azz is gone. See the Jon Gruden files for proof.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Wonder what the lines will be for next weeks games.
I say:
Colts -6
Ravens -2
Saints -13 (-15 if Rams)
Eagles -1.5
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Too bad those players laid down when we really needed a win….like against Miami, 49ers and Indy.
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Yeah, it is too bad. And that reflects on them, not the Head Coach.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:38 pm
One guy that certainly must go is Marshall. That dude is just plain bad at his job. It is a miracle teams employed him that long.
Bottom 1/3 run D almost every year he coached.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Hey Ghost, have you seen this?
# ArchiveTony Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Hey, MR. curious bout something.
Do you think it’s not obvious to everyone that you are ghost? posting to yourself? like you do after each game, where you bring back an old handle, or create a new one, just to have someone to talk to?
you think anyone hasn’t figured it out? or no?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:39 pm
and the raider fan in a gorilla suit is no Charley “O” the Mule
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Name me one Raiders player of consequence who has quit on Tom Cable?
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I think they were playing for Coach Southwick.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Ghost, did you know me and you are the same person? See Archive Tony’s comment. LOL.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Vegas, Ravens will be -5 at least I (my guess).
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:40 pm
i’m still laughing MR … i could never be as obnoxious as you no matter how hard i tried
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:40 pm
“If even though we not in the playoffs we pulled the chiefs pants down and spanked they ass today.”
MBush on Twitter
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Why do people insist on sounding like morons?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Ghost, what do you think of someone thinking that you are me? Inquiring minds want to know.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Well, Archive Tony sounds like one of those smart guys who just gets it, so if he says we’re the same person, ghost, I think we are.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:41 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
I don’t know, Dakota. Cable’s comment today, “We’re not losers anymore”, can’t sit well with Al. Who’s “we”?
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He said that? I was out of town, so I didn’t catch that….haven’t even read this post by Jerry yet. Yikes. One .500 season and Cable thinks he isn’t a loser HC? LMAO
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:42 pm
i didn’t know carl weathers was a raiders fan
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Coach bringing in his own QBs????
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Either the coach brings in a QB, or they go to a job with a QB they are comfortable with.
Campbell is OK and should be the starter in 2011, but I can’t see an elite coach hearing these words and still taking the job. “Jason Campbell is your QB, we might let you pick a coach or two but not all of them, we will pay you less than most, and you have two years to get it done.”
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:42 pm
is karl malden a raiders fan, too … oh, that’s right … i think he’s in silver and black heaven
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Dakota, it’s right up there in Jerry’s blog entry. You don’t read Jerry’s entries?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
So should the Raiders really change their colors to match the A’s?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Spartacus, you can’t be serious. Coughlin won a Super Bowl.
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Yes, I am serious. All coaches grow stale eventually and the NY media was calling for his head. Who cares if he won a Suoer Bowl three years ago – it’s a “what have you done for me latley” league.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Carl Weathers was a Raider!!!!
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Yeah, I believe Dick Green was Puerto Rican, wasn’t he?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Ok, Spartacus.
Cable and Coughlin…same situation. Coughlin won a Super Bowl just a few years ago, Cable doesn’t even know what a Super Bowl is. But you’re right, they’re the same.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Campy … he was a friggin Cracker
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
but I can’t see an elite coach hearing these words and still taking the job.
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Really?
They’d settle for an asst job elsewhere making less and having less control????
Not buying it!
And there aren’t any “elite” coaches out there. They all have jobs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Ghost, do you think you’re fooling anybody? Everyone here knows you’re posting as me and talking to yourself.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
LMAO
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Vegas,
What did you think of JC’s performance today? I thought it was a steady, workmanlike performance. Nothing spectacular. Kinda got off to a slow start.
You mentioned being surprised with his mobility. I was surprised and impressed with his playaction skills this year. Some of the best playfakes I’ve seen since ..Boomer Esiason, maybe. That should bode well for the future with Oaks running game.
I’ve said it before, I think another offseason with these very YOUNG wr’s and STAFF could work wonders.
Not saying the guy’s going to morph into Dan Marino overnight or something. But, I do think there is room for growth and improvement. I think he’s gotten better as the season went on.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Hey Archive … actually I’m not MR — but I am his alter-ego
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
ah.
that fooled everyone, for sure, MR.
yeah, because you’ve never done that before, lol.
pathetic loser that you be
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Yes he was, before he was Apollo Creed!
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
They’d settle for an asst job elsewhere making less and having less control????
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Is that what we are looking at?? Low-paid assistant coaches.
Isn’t that what Tom Cable was.
I thought we were talking Cowher, Fisher, Gruden, Weiss or even McDaniels here?
No chance in hell with any of those.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Well, we’re not losers anymore, and our QB can play fake like the great Boomer Esiason! Yeh, don’t change a thing! LMFAO
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:42 pm
i didn’t know carl weathers was a raiders fan
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Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Carl Weathers was a Raider!!!!
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Damn straight!
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Hmmmm, do we keep the Wife Beating Buffoon HC with a career coaching record so far under .500 it would take a 34 game winning streak to get it up to .500, or do we keep the OC that more than doubled our point total from one year ago….when that offense was run by the Buffoon?
Easy call.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Just think how many more trophies Billy Martin would have won if he had gotten along with George Blanda…
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Trade DMAC for a Wife Beating Buffoon HC!
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
we both have this spelling thing down … maybe that’s where he got confused
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Tony, you got me. I am Ghost. Basically, I’m posting all of the smart things under my name, and all of the dumb things under Ghost. I thought it was fooling everyone, but not you. you’re too sharp.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
You guys watching this sorry excuse for a “playoff” game?
Bet it all on the Saints next week.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:49 pm
I wonder how Sarkisian is feeling about being stuck in that loser program at Washington, lol?
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Wait up, MR is Alex7 not Ghosttothepost…
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:49 pm
He called Schefter a “great guy” and said, “I wrote by book with Adam Schefter, but nobody knows what’s going to happen with the Raiders. He made it up.”
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Sounds about right to me. The only other people picking up this story are Nancy Gay and Mike Lombardi -two people with as much credibilty as Baghdad Bob.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Bo LMAO … yeah, and Reggie — if only he didn’t hate Al
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Mitchell Page would have been an awesome longsnapper.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Baghdad Bob had about as much credibility as our white house at that time. Turns out he was no less full of it.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:51 pm
If cables gone this improvement thus season means nothing to be where we are at know is a big deal. Gone from plain garbage to puttin fear back onto teams we play. A lot had to do with cable. We can’t keep changing coaches every one, two, three yrs. No organization can survive that, are be successful. This whole rumor about cable is just plain stupid. The players love him and I don’t care what anyone says that means a lot to a team and what there chances are. Cable gone = back to the last seven yrs reason being a good coach is not gonna want to be underpaid you think al will pay big money no way sorry ya want a good coach you got to show him the money. Plus ya think a good coach is gonna wanna come here with al’s track record of hiring and firing coaches the last 11 yrs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:51 pm
No, I think I’m confused … Ghost is actually the sharp one in this twin conundrum … MR .. well, he’s kind of an MR
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Vegas,
What did you think of JC’s performance today?
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What’s happening Buck??
Best thing with JC this year, is that he was better in the 2nd half of games than 1st halves, and better the second half of the season than the first. First time he can ever say that. Went undefeated in the division, and won more than 1 game in December, also firsts in his career.
I think he deserves to stay in 2011. He is frustrating at times, very indecisive and not all that accurate throwing down the field.
You mention the play-fakes, but what about his pump-fakes?? AFter a whole year of watching him, it is clear his bread and butter play is the step up in the pocket with the big pump fake, while always knowing he is going to dump it off to the RB.
It actually works pretty well, and I think it is his design. Like I said last week, if there is a checkdown that could go for big yards, JC is the man for the job. I mock his “check-downs” and they piss me off, but he is really good at it, lol.
Later bro, off to finish off season 2 of the Wire.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Seven years of bad luck…
OK so there were no playoffs, but gotta give it up to Mr. Al Davis, head coach, chief scout, GM, owner, in-house football genius…
Right on Mr. Davis, just like everyone blasts hate and disrespects your wisdom when the team loses, gotta give it up when it wins, and THEY (in particular the young ones) showed promise and pride. Gotta say there’s something to look forward, not like the last seven seasons. 8-8 is even steven, so if you’re going to dish out the bad, it’s only fair to give out the good.
I do believe the nation is definitely out of the tunnel.
BS that the chefs had nothing to play for, please, whoever believes that crap should get their diapers changed.
Of course the chefs had something to prove, they just got whooped. Goes to show that the current Raider team is not that far off.
The Tenn, Indy, Pitt losses, can be understood, the Jax, Miami, and Hou losses happened because those teams made better plays, but the AZ and SF losses should not have happened, they did, so let’s move on up to next year, and shut the haters, critics, naysayers, trolling waifs, etc. up for good.
Let’s remember that the Chokey Gruden teams went 8-8 before the run to the SB. I think Mr. Davis will continue with Cable because he fits his purpose well.
There’s too much uncertainty for 2011 for free agents as the CBA issue doesn’t get resolved early, same for teams changing coaches. It’ll be wiser to keep Cable just in case the season is delayed, the players and coaches will be able to pick up where they left off and continue building. If another team wants to get HueJac, so be it, there will be plenty assistant coaches around as the HC carousel gets going.
The Nation gotta keep the faith on Mr. Davis to do the right thing, remember the Raiders run on bad luck is over…
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Baghdad Bob = Texas George
Moral equivalents.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Yeah, but Marv Hubbard had a great slider
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:53 pm
“Thus concludes the most schizophrenic season in NFL history.
Who else gives up 191 yards to the 29th-ranked Indianapolis Colts and then stuffs the No. 1 Chiefs to the tune of 72 yards, 47 of which came on a single Jamal Charles carry?”
A talented team with a schytty HC who can’t motivate or coach up the team on a wweek to week basis.
An average NFL HC would have had this team at 10-6 this year.
night all
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:53 pm
If Cable goes we will be playing SmallBall again (as in wins).
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:54 pm
I thought we were talking Cowher, Fisher, Gruden, Weiss or even McDaniels here?
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Weiss is an elite coach? He was an asst this year, right?
McDaniel’s and elite coach? CMON! He’s cheating arsse wouldn’t even get a HC interview here.
Where else is Fisher headed? Dallas is keeping Garrett. And what makes him an elite coach?
Cowher wasn’t anything special in Pitts, IMO. Would give him the keys to anything here either. And apparently a lot of other teams feel the same way which is why he is still a TV personality.
Gruden would LOVE to come back here, but the owner will have no parts of it, lol.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Jeff Barnes, that guy could break up a double play
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
In now way or fashion is Gruden an elite anything.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
^no
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Bo bashing Chucky … gotta love it … i thought i was the only one who bashed chucky
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Chucky cost us dearly. Just his absence made Callahan look like a real coach.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Why are we talking old Oakland Athletics?
I have a signed Damon Mashore baseball from when he played with the Sonoma County Crushers. And he is a white Puerto Rican!!!
Top that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:58 pm
I wonder what Marc Trestman is doing. The A’s could use him.
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:59 pm
CW: Yes I am…Drew Brees is going to eat them up again! No matter who wins…sad!
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:02 pm
After qtching today’s game I vote we keep Cable unless we already have something very sweet going.
It’s like I’ve been saying all year long, Bush should get the tiugh carries while DMC hits them on the perimeter mostly but let Bush do the heavy lifting.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Charlie Sumner would have made a great third base coach
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:02 pm
LMAO … bo that was funny
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:03 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Tony, you got me. I am Ghost. Basically, I’m posting all of the smart things under my name, and all of the dumb things under Ghost. I thought it was fooling everyone, but not you. you’re too sharp.
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smart things under your name?
under maddenraider?
you consider those comments ’smart’?
no one you think you’re fooling posters, when in fact you’re confusing yourself
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:03 pm
uh oh … priest don’t tell MR that … he will break out in hives
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:03 pm
i mean..I will break out in hives
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Rollie Fingers had a hairlip under that stache…
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Tony, is that directed at me or Ghost? lmfao
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Both these teams make our WR’s look pretty damn good!
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Wasn’t Dennis Eckersley vietnamese?
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Oh, yeh, it all comes down to preist’s “vote”. LMFAO
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Priest, Al Davis could hire Octomom and you’d be on board. She’d get your “vote”, as soon as she had Al’s.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Wood Eye
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:06 pm
That was as dominating a performance as we’ve seen from this team. Des bryant has grown up bigtime. L Houston is a freaking beast and I think we have that edge rusher in JMoss. LMurphy is a damn headcase so is DHB, man I wish we had Chaz all year what a difference maker with his size speed and athleticism.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:07 pm
# 289
you’ve lost ur mind. Players like him so they are motivated. When players don’t like there coaches there not motivated. Pretty basic.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:08 pm
I thought Eck was born Quet Ng … I must be confusing him with Bob Locker
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Campbell is the best play faker since Boomer Esiason!
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:10 pm
rmr, you really are pathetic. you reasoning and rational are beyond absurd. what you add to this site is non-existant. your pathetic ramblings are not even worth reading. why don’t you spend more time elsewhere
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Trivia Time!
Name the second fastest Filipino in all of athletics…
(hint: not Brian Bosworth)
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:11 pm
priesttj Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:06 pm
That was as dominating a performance as we’ve seen from this team. Des bryant has grown up bigtime. L Houston is a freaking beast and I think we have that edge rusher in JMoss. LMurphy is a damn headcase so is DHB, man I wish we had Chaz all year what a difference maker with his size speed and athleticism.
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Need an open competition at WR next year. DHB will make the team because of his draft status, but should be no better than the fourth WR, even of he improves.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Hey Ghost, you really pissed this guy off!
# autopalm77 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:10 pm
rmr, you really are pathetic. you reasoning and rational are beyond absurd. what you add to this site is non-existant. your pathetic ramblings are not even worth reading. why don’t you spend more time elsewhere
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Google is cheating
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:12 pm
hmmm …. OJ Simpson
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:12 pm
yeah, autopalm hates me myself and I
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:13 pm
your a fan when it’s convenient. that is all. jump on another bandwagon……..please
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:13 pm
palm, are you talking to me or ghost? LOL
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Ghost, you hear that? You’re a fan when it’s convenient! LOL
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Corrrect, it is Bong Coo!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bong_Coo
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Hey, we just won today. So shouldn’t I be on the bandwagon if I’m a bandwagon fan?
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
buckeye, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Wait … I am on the bandwagon .. that one that’s been rolling since the 60s
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Oh, Bong Coo … shoot I shoulda had that
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Folks…I am lukewarm about Tom Cable…Lukewarm with me gets you a contract extension.
Keep Cable. Don’t need anymore change unless its change for the better….again folks:
Will a new coach be able to pick his staff? You know the answer to that question. Might as well keep Cable
THose of you dissing JC right now are greedy. He isn’t turning the ball over. That’s huge. He is also making some 3rd down throws…that’s important.
I’ll take what we got today from the passing game over 16 weeks. Limit turnovers you stay in the game.
The Pitt game turned once Louis Murphy fumbled that catch.
Get Schilens (or someone) opposite J. Ford and move on
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Alright, I’m out for a while. Ghost, that means you have to leave now, too.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
FYI, I might change my handle to Bong Coo Jackson. Not trolling, just respect…
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Was he the Panamanian Express?
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
my comments are only directed at the site cancer…rmr…
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Looks like we will have our first 7-9 team in the playoffs!
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Bong Coo Jackson … very cool …
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Speaking of receivers…..
DHB is at a crossroads. If he doesn’t start SHINING in OTAs and training camp…they need to make a decision on him.
The lack of production from him is silently holding this offense back. How does DHB’s lack of production impact the playcalling etc….
He needs to man up! Start drinking whatever J.Ford is.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Alright, I’m out for a while.
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Ha! My Filipino schtick always works…
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
SAd to say….perhaps if the Raiders did take the Crabtree instead of this high stakes gamble with DHB…perhaps we are talking playoffs.
DHB has to fricken produce next year
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:20 pm
What a joke for the NFL to have the sorry joke of a team Seattle win there division and make it to the playoffs with a 7-9 record. With a pretty good team the giants Being out with three more wins at 10-6 then Seattle. Shouldn’t the playoffs be the best teams in the NFL. What a waist of a playoff spot.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:20 pm
DHB = prototype contract restructuree
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:21 pm
autopalm … MR is like Steve Ott on the Dallas Stars … his only purpose in life is to get under people’s skin … i just ignore him or call him an MR … he’s obnoxious, that’s for sure
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:21 pm
This is not the players telling Al who they would like for their head coach; it’s the players telling Al they have a coach they believe in. I think it would be a psychological jolt for them, regardless if they laugh it off as business or not, if Al were to let Cable go. And Al has much weaker reasons this time than he could have used last year. I can’t believe that he doesn’t have the insight to see what getting rid of a coach who is on watch as we see forward progress and for whom the players have his back. Finally, good vibes, and you’re going to step in and break things up??
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:21 pm
What a waist of a playoff spot.
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A JaWalrus reference?
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Hwnrdr.
Kinda sad. I was pulling for the Rams. Howie’s kid. Laurinitus. Bradford has been pretty impressive for a rook.
Didn’t like The Greatest show on turf, but I was kinda rooting for these kids. Oh well.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
autopalm77 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
my comments are only directed at the site cancer…rmr…
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He’s off in search of more moral equivalents.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:23 pm
tampa bay, as well…first time since 91 two teams to finish with double digit wins don’t make the playoffs…
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:23 pm
what waist … a game of inches
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Out-ro!
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
it’s the gay ref on sunday night football … he talks funny
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
I hope Al is starting to realize some of his mistakes. His last one was DHB. I don’t see him making another mistake by firing Cable. The players didn’t quit on him and this last game seemed to confirm that they want him to lead them.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Buckeye…I know…but Bradfords receivers aren’t catching the dam ball…
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
the lambs are pathtetic … they can make the seagulls look good
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
So just b/c the Giants don’t get in, the rules need to be re-written?
East coast bias
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
lost 7 of last 10 and make the playoffs … F me!
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
probably in search of immoral equivalents…interesting that Mike Lombardi would agree with Schefter’s perceptions…regarding Tom Cable…Schefter I can see rumor milling it about the Raiders…Lombardi’s conjecture makes one pause….
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Giants shouldn’t gag against PHilly and they’d be in … so screw em
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Al would be making a mistake getting rid of Cable.
However, Al should make it clear that the penalties have to come down….especially the lineup penalties, delay of game etc.
If the Raiders can win a few games with the penalties…imagine what happens if they eliminate them.
Also, Cable has to treat week 1 of the regular season like…the FREEKN regular season….no more “finding” ourselves in week 4 and 5.
and tell Seabass he’s kicking all the way through camp!
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
31 to 10 lead with 8 minutes left…….good point……
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Lombardi has an axe to grind, I think. But who would be his source? I can’t see Al telling anyone about his decision, not even Herrera.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:32 pm
autopalm … i think BSPN just likes to stir stuff up especially where raiders are concerned … you really think al told anybody cable is gone — already … i think it’s all pure speculation .. no fact involved
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:32 pm
and the Raiders came off that bye week unprepared.
That has to change too.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Lmfao Seattle acting like winners. MAN WHAT A JOKE they don’t even belong. Shoot cause of there record they probably gonna have a decent draft pick to hey let’s reward a team twice gor having a bad record SERIOUSLY.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:33 pm
but to Cable’s credit…when the team was on…it was really on point.
Cable has to get consistency out of this group. And for that reason he deserves another chance
BTW, the Chiefs were trying to win that game and get a better seed. The Raiders win today was very legit!
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Buck I agree with post #266 on JC he did improve greatly during the season. He has some real strengths and they are very integral to good QB play. He resfuses to turn the ball over thus the checkdowns. He does no matter what most think he throws a very good deep ball. And he’s more accurate than most want to admit. He’s just not the firey type they want. Which means nothing to me if the guy can’t play. And he can play. Give him an offseason with these kids and I think you’ll see several levels of improvement. If he can keep Hujack around for 2-3 years I see JC being one of the better players at that position in this league. Just by virtue of his ability to not take unnecessary chances with the ball. He also has very good mobility and here’s that word; “pocket presence” he has it and it is improving. His awareness in the pocket is as good as you’ll get anyyhing else is scittish. He often checks it down due to pressure and he runs judiciously. That when he hurts teams they don’t think he will and then he does.
If gets much better which I cannot see why he wouldn’t he’ll be one of the better QB’s in this league. I expect somewhere between 25-30 TD’s next year and 10-15 int’s and well over 3500 yards. He almost did that last year for the Redskins. We dropped passes today or he’s over 200 yards easy. L murphy dropped a easy TD, I’m to the point where I just don’t trust him anymore it’s just too many begative plays. We had somewhere near 5 false starts, 3 on one drive and he still took us to a TD that’s good stuff.
I’m just so pissed this team isn’t in the playoffs and so damn excited about next year. This is a very good team a dman good team not some paperlion like the niners were last year. This team is extremly talented at the right spots.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Pete, Carol, Ted and Alice … yeah, great job you moron … you lost 7 of 10 to end the season, took it up the hershey highway and backed into the promised land … go screw yourself
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:34 pm
SnB Production Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:32 pm
and the Raiders came off that bye week unprepared.
That has to change too
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Agreed. Maybe it took them 17 weeks to figure out what it takes to win consistently. Better late than never.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Al would be making a mistake getting rid of Cable.
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No he wouldn’t!
The only difference between this year and last year is Cable being stripped of play calling duties.
A guy who had never called plays before as an OC came in and doubled the offensive production. That, and a strong draft class gave us 3 extra wins.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:35 pm
I am Spartacus Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Lombardi has an axe to grind, I think. But who would be his source? I can’t see Al telling anyone about his decision, not even Herrera.
Lombardi may have hidden animosity..he always speaks highly of the Raiders…You actually see when he speaks about them he still feels part of it….January 18th deadline for extension….
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:39 pm
SnB they beat bumps on the Chefs today, They trashed their outstanding Oline and stuffed the best run game in the NFL. They sacked their QB 7 x’s and int’d him twice and the Chefs do none of those things their Oline is their strength.
Also as I was saying lastnight Stanford Routt can play cover corner when he wants to and is focused he shut down Bowe flat shut him down. They need to leave him there he is much more consistent and competitive than CJ by a long shot. Routt can play and he’s not an all-pro like so many think you have to be to play man.
That is the dumbest thing or one of them I’ve ever heard…………you just have to play sound technigue……………period
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:40 pm
Success as a coordinator is no guarantee of success as HC. That was proved this year by the firings of McDaniels and Singletary.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:40 pm
335.SnB Production Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
SAd to say….perhaps if the Raiders did take the Crabtree instead of this high stakes gamble with DHB…perhaps we are talking playoffs.
DHB has to fricken produce next year
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Less money, and non-starter!
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:43 pm
And don’t forget that Marty Schottenheimer was inducted into the Chiefs’ Hall of Fame. They had all the motivation they needed today and we still dominated them without two of our best players.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Jhill Hujack was a huge addition but Cable gets this team ready to play that said I think Hujack is a HC in the making and a dman good one. I think when he does get a job look out it is clear as a bell he has a grand plan. That guy will one day make a great HC and I mean that.
But Jhill you have to admit he’s working with much better players including DMC and Campbell. DMC is a changed player much improved better Oline and the defense is 3x’s better than last year.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
The Broncos finished 4-12, the first time in the franchise’s 51-year history that they lost more than 11 games, and secured the No. 2 overall draft pick in April.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Priest,
My bottom line is I don’t see what Cable is doing to get an extension. If his contract wasn’t up, maybe this isn’t a discussion.
But I am WITHOUT QUESTION taking applications for my open positions of HC and DC.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:48 pm
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
The Broncos finished 4-12, the first time in the franchise’s 51-year history that they lost more than 11 games, and secured the No. 2 overall draft pick in April.
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With John Elway as the Donks’ new VP of Football Operations, maybe he makes a play for Andrew Luck – both will be Stanford alumni. That’s not a good thought.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Most would say our two BEST players Nnamdi notwithstanding. Nnam played hurt.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:49 pm
ha ha marty….nice reunion.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:50 pm
371.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
The Broncos finished 4-12, the first time in the franchise’s 51-year history that they lost more than 11 games, and secured the No. 2 overall draft pick in April.
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They’ll probably take a QB
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Bring back Cable! Bring back JC! Bring some help for the right side of the Oline. Bring a big NT! Let jano kick the meaningless 60 yd fgs, but bring a kicker with balls to kick the game winners!
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:53 pm
SnB,
you blame a loss in Pittsburgh, the 2nd best team in all of football, to the coach not getting his players “prepared”???
How do you prepare to force JC to have a good game against the Steelers? How do you prepare to force our O-line to do well against Dick LeBeau? How do you prepare our #3 CB to cover Mike Wallace from catching passes from his Hall of Fame QB?
Can we just not admit we don’t have that good of a passing attack to beat teams like the Colts, Steelers, and Titans?
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Dontay Moch from NV will be a RAIDER.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:55 pm
I’ve said it before, I think another offseason with these very YOUNG wr’s and STAFF could work wonders.
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I’m done waiting on these receivers. I just don’t see it with Murphy and DHB. Murphy is a 3rd receiver. And DHB?????? At least there was a Chaz sighting today. He’s still the best we’ve got. Have to bring in somebody.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:55 pm
What a bittersweet ending to the season today. Raiders have to be kicking themselves, wondering what might have been. They have nobody to blame but themselves. They squandered away at LEAST 3 winnable games.
Hopefully they take out their frustrations on next years opponents.
Another solid offseason like last year..with STABILITY and another solid draft ..with the young players on the roster continuing to improve, and The Silver and Black just might be a force to be reckoned with next year.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:55 pm
DHB and Sanjay Lal. Need I say more?
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:56 pm
To be fair, I agree with you, SnB, on the coaching situation.
With no power to pick players or assistants, no coach better than Cable wants to come here.
Fassel, Gilbride, all those tired names might interview if the position was open, but that’s about it.
Our choices to coach this almighty team, the last time this position was open, WITH the #1 pick in the draft coming up, were some kids from USC, one who turned us down, the other used us as a stepping stool.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:56 pm
priesttj Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:02 pm
After qtching today’s game I vote we keep Cable unless we already have something very sweet going.
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= consistency. Something that caused double digit losses in the past doesn’t need to be re-invented.
Give him another year.
And don’t wait around. Take Monday off and then get to work on next season. Same with Jani. One day off then start kicking.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Lombardi has an axe to grind, I think. But who would be his source? I can’t see Al telling anyone about his decision, not even Herrera.
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Don’t know about this. I think the guy is a hell of an analyst and he’s almost always right. And when you listen to him, he just comes off as an objective guy.
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:57 pm
the biggest disappointment from a coaching standpoint is evidenced in the pittsburgh game. with 2 weeks to prepare it was an embarrassment in performance and execution..that has to fall on the coaching staff
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Debo, agreed. No idea why people think another couple of months in shorts is going to make DHB or Murphy learn how to catch the ball 24 years into their life.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:00 pm
A7
Who in their right mind would want to work for low pay, and how would a team of youngsters respond to a new coach? If Al was capable of getting a ‘real’ coach, we’d have one.
And try and learn a new coaches system? Give Cable another year. He learned alot this year too. Maybe got the taste of a playoff spot, enough to get him over the hump as a coach, same with Hue.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Autopalm,
is it possible we’re simply about 20 points worse than the Steelers talent and scheme-wise?
Their #4 receiver would be our #1. Their QB, WR, S, LB, and coaches are Hall of Famers.
It’s ok to lose big to them there with our QB, O-line, and WRs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:02 pm
386.autopalm77 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:57 pm
the biggest disappointment from a coaching standpoint is evidenced in the pittsburgh game. with 2 weeks to prepare it was an embarrassment in performance and execution..that has to fall on the coaching staff
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Yes. That one does. But they learned their lesson. Al saw to that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:02 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Ha! My Filipino schtick always works…
……
That was all designed to bait me? Wow. You were at it for about an hour, and I only responded a couple of times.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Rayduh, you’re spot on.
Steve Sarkisian turned us down. Think about that.
He chose a crappy Washington SCHOOL, destined to be bottom half in the Pac-10 most years,
over the NFL’s Oakland Raiders franchise.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:03 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Lombardi has an axe to grind, I think. But who would be his source? I can’t see Al telling anyone about his decision, not even Herrera.
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Don’t know about this. I think the guy is a hell of an analyst and he’s almost always right. And when you listen to him, he just comes off as an objective guy.
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Art Shell thought it was Lombardi who was trying to undermine him during his last stint as HC. For whatever that’s worth.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Big Ben to HOF? Plunkett first!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:04 pm
jmcclain Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:20 pm
What a joke for the NFL to have the sorry joke of a team Seattle win there division and make it to the playoffs with a 7-9 record.
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and what about teams not making the playoffs but going undefeated in their division? It’s been a strange year with overachieving teams.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:05 pm
ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:21 pm
autopalm … MR is like Steve Ott on the Dallas Stars
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You’re like the Lion in the Wizard of Oz.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:05 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Lombardi has an axe to grind, I think. But who would be his source? I can’t see Al telling anyone about his decision, not even Herrera.
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Don’t know about this. I think the guy is a hell of an analyst and he’s almost always right. And when you listen to him, he just comes off as an objective guy.
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I get annoyed everytime I see Santonio Holmes making plays for NY. How the hell were we not involved for a 5th round pick?? Screw the suspension, the guy is a badass!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Move DHB to CB. He’s got speed & size and he might even pick one off one of these days. Conversions of this type have been done in the past & they worked.
If he stays at WR he should be the #4 or #5 WR behind Schillins, Ford, Murphy, NMiller & whoever else is left. I’m afraid he regressed badly today and is heading towards the BUST label as a WR. If he renegotiates his contract based on his lack of performance and moves to CB then they might keep him. Otherwise, he should be shown the same door that JR used.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Debo,
You’ve gotta admit their was some progress with DHB this year. Glacier like progress. Hey, the guy tripled his production from his rookie year. If he can do that again this offseason, hey..who knows.
Seriously, though. DHB has been very frustrating. On a positive note though, he did show he can actually catch the ball. With his hands …away from his body. Not fight it like it was a hot potato during his rookie year.
He did have a few nice catches actually. Just it was one every three or four games. We need to see five or six of those per game, not season.
They say he works hard in practice, and tries to be a complete player..blocking and all. Yeah yeah yeah.
The guy is teetering on bust status. Like I said a couple of days ago, he needs to be pulled into the office and urged to restructure that huge deal that he is not living up to. Next year is a make or break for DHB, for sure.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Raiders are undefeated this year!
1-0 in 2011!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:08 pm
absolutely blame it on the coaches..against pittsburgh…ran 3 step drops for one quarter..no screens against pressure…no slant passes..10 rushes from scrimmage.look at the new england demolition in pittsburgh….there was a blueprint..2 weeks of preparation!! Campbell,s inability to move from the pocket played a great deal into that defeat…how could he be out rushed by rapeslberger!! finally cam newton inspired him to use his feet
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:09 pm
# I am Spartacus Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
He’s off in search of more moral equivalents.
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You’re in search of a reason for the Iraq war that’s morally superior to Baghdad Bob’s support of Saddam Hussein. Your freed muslims theory was hilarious, though.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Ben looked like the perfect Raider QB coming out of college.
If only.
I don’t know that winning 2 Super Bowls = automatic Hall of Fame for Plunkett. He had two AWFUL years with the Raiders, 2 great ones, and some bad ones on bad teams elsewhere.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:09 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Rayduh, you’re spot on.
Steve Sarkisian turned us down. Think about that.
He chose a crappy Washington SCHOOL, destined to be bottom half in the Pac-10 most years,
over the NFL’s Oakland Raiders franchise.
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Maybe deep down he knew he didn’t have the balls!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:10 pm
I am Spartacus Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
I hope Al is starting to realize some of his mistakes.
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What mistakes? I thought we were on our way?
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:10 pm
I’d take calls and if I’m extremely interested in a particular coach then I have him come in. There are some great coaches out there no doubt but these players are concerned about a mistake. They don’t want a bad coach that doean’t work with Mr Davis coming in here. The drama is what concerns them.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:10 pm
A7
So did Payton. And maybe Al doesn’t even call other ‘bona fide’ coaches cause he already knows what their response will be. To us, we see the ups and downs and what ifs, but those who don’t follow the Raiders like we do will think: Al just fired a coach who brought them back to relevance, dude is senile.
Coaching for Al is not glamorous. Cable likes it. Doubt to many other coaches would. Low pay, disgruntled owner, Cable is just the right guy. Just a few player upgrades and we’ll be ready. Al will see to it.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:10 pm
lol Autopalm
the “blueprint” is having Tom Brady shred the defense with hall of fame passes, allowing a no-name RB to get 100 yards on a backed up defense.
Why couldn’t we emulate that???
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:11 pm
KCRA 3 in Sacramento reporting Cable’s gone.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
We threw a screen in Pittsburgh. Everything was so chaotic (blocking, JC falling backwards) it went off our guy’s hands and ended up an INT.
Lots of us TOLD you guys our passing attack would absolutely blow in Pittsburgh. It wasn’t that difficult to comprehend.
Bad QB, bad WRs, vs top D = ugly loss 9 out of 10 times.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
You’re in search of a reason for the Iraq war that’s morally superior to Baghdad Bob’s support of Saddam Hussein. Your freed muslims theory was hilarious, though.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah…Bush lied people died. Quote me some more bumper sticker slogans.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
DaRayduh Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Coaching for Al is not glamorous. Cable likes it.
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The biggest reason of all to fire him! LOL
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Al is going to be patient with DHB and let him play out his contract. It worked with Dmac & Nnamdi, and on a lower degree with Gallery…DHB is not going to become Percy Harvin all of a sudden, but hey, Al was in love with James Jett for years, so that might be enough.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Seattle is bad. Talk about parity. Disgusting.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:14 pm
I never quoted a bumper sticker. I just pointed out a simple fact, that you clearly have no rebuttal to. The Bush Administrations propagation of the Iraq War was the equivalent, moral and otherwise, of Baghdad Bob’s propagating of Saddam’s Iraq. Your only answer so far is that Bush freed Muslims. Ha ha ha! You won’t find a Muslim on the planet who’d agree with that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:15 pm
It’s been a strange year for parity, DaRayduh. After all, the Raiders won 8 games.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:15 pm
G’night fellas.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Al: “Hello, (Cowher, Gruden, Harbaugh, any competent coach), this is Al Davis of the great Oakland Raiders, team of all decades. I would like to extend to you the privilege of interviewing with us.”
Coach: “Do I get to pick the players and coaches you want me to win with?”
Al: “No.”
Coach: “If I interview a QB who can’t put a sentence together, and decide he isn’t a leader, will you draft him anyways if he can throw the ball 70 yards?”
Al: “Yes.”
Coach: “Haha. Honey, this really IS Al Davis on the phone!
Mr. Davis, we’re putting your number on our block list.”
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:18 pm
I can’t believe Bo was doing that whole Filipino thing to bait me. I saw him doing it for about an hour. Just kept skimming over the comments. I had no idea what he was talking about. I knew it was some kind of inside joke, just didn’t think it was designed to bait me. Wow. I feel bad. Maybe I should have responded more.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:19 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
We threw a screen in Pittsburgh. Everything was so chaotic (blocking, JC falling backwards) it went off our guy’s hands and ended up an INT.
Lots of us TOLD you guys our passing attack would absolutely blow in Pittsburgh. It wasn’t that difficult to comprehend.
Bad QB, bad WRs, vs top D = ugly loss 9 out of 10 times.
Alex @ don’t debate what was prognosticated…I don’t disagree with your criticism of the personnel…my point is preparation…non existant…
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:19 pm
A lot of coaches are getting fired tomorrow along with Cable.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Can we just not admit we don’t have that good of a passing attack to beat teams like the Colts, Steelers, and Titans?
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No Sir!
That Murphy fumble was HUGE!
We were driving and were what 7 pts dn?
Get some WRs in here and improve the pass blocking!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:20 pm
[...] “I wrote by book with Adam Schefter, but nobody knows what’s going to happen with the Raiders. He made it up,” he said on the air, per the Oakland Tribune. [...]
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Hooooedin….#seventy foeee on the aaahhfensssss…
LOL!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Steve Sarkisian turned us down. Think about that.
He chose a crappy Washington SCHOOL, destined to be bottom half in the Pac-10 most years,
over the NFL’s Oakland Raiders franchise.
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What an idiot move that was.
I bet you he’d switch that decision if he had it to do over again. Why would you want to be stuck losing in Washington instead of an NFL job?
He would have been allowed to run his offense the same way Hue is running his and Kiffin ran his. Alway knew Kiffin was the brain trust of the so called Sark/Kiffin tandem.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:25 pm
No today was a good statement about Cable and our team but no it was not enough.
What was enough was getting the team to play hard, not to get consistently outcoached, and to have them in the mix. Hue still has much to learn about playcalling, Campbell is FAR from a top tier NFL QB but is a solid pro and the Raiders D could use some semblance of consistency.
For the first time in years, I see what the HC’s vision of the Raiders is and see them working towards that end. I hope Al keeps Tom and Hue around for another season. Get another draft like last year and another QB to compete/groom and we should be stomping the AFC West for years.
Besides last I checked, the guys beating our door down to coach here wasn’t exactly a who’s who of HOF coaching talent.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Congrats to the Oakland Raiders for being the REAL Champs of the AFC West this year…..while the Queefs are the champs in name only!
LOL!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:25 pm
So Hill, you disagree our passing attack isn’t good enough to beat top teams…
then ask for better receivers and pass blockers, in the same post.
Strange.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:14 pm
I never quoted a bumper sticker. I just pointed out a simple fact, that you clearly have no rebuttal to. The Bush Administrations propagation of the Iraq War was the equivalent, moral and otherwise, of Baghdad Bob’s propagating of Saddam’s Iraq. Your only answer so far is that Bush freed Muslims. Ha ha ha! You won’t find a Muslim on the planet who’d agree with that.
I am sure you never served in any conflict of any kind…well perhaps your own dilemma regarding anal lubricants…I am sure you know nothhing of what the average Iraqi says about the sacrifice of American men and women…You strike me a the type who would get fragged in combat by your own men……
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Coach: “Do I get to pick the players and coaches you want me to win with?”
Al: “No.”
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Are you really telling me there are not “Cable guys” on the team?
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Hill, other college coaches have also turned us down the last 7 years.
What fun is it to be told…
I hire the players and coaches, run the draft, install the philosophy, finalize the roster, make trades.
But if we lose with all that I brought in, it’s your fault.
WTF? Beyond arrogant.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Al will prob exercise that 1 yr option on Cable and keep the press and fans guessing all offseason. Typical AD move. Cable will have another year to take us to the next level. If not, I am certain TC will get another HC gig right away. He turned this thing around period!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Well Hill,
who would constitute a Cable guy on the team?
Al drafted DHB, Jamarcus, and Murphy. Al brought in JC.
Aren’t those the main reason we can’t compete with the Colts and Steelers of the league? No passing game to put points up against good D’s and keep our D off the field?
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Aig, did you steal that “period” thing at the end from Priestt, or the other way around?
No one is arguing that Hue didn’t turn the team around.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Al will prob exercise that 1 yr option on Cable and keep the press and fans guessing all offseason. Typical AD move. Cable will have another year to take us to the next level. If not, I am certain TC will get another HC gig right away. He turned this thing around period!
His option must be exercised by january 18th…will know by then…….
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Yes it is all Murphy’s fault in the Pitt game. Because you know, the Steelers never force any turnovers.
I have been nice to Campbell, and he played well the last month. The Pitt game wasn’t the last month, and he looked like Michael Spinks in the Tyson fight in that game.
Ready to quit and staring down the corner hoping they toss in the towel.
Hopefully he grew from that dreadful Sunday, and he is ready to face opponents not in the AFC or NFC West in 2011.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Old Man has until Jan 17th to decide to keep Cable or not.
Hue Jackson is already under contract thru next season.
So, this stuff will get decided quickly…..for once.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
428.alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:25 pm
So Hill, you disagree our passing attack isn’t good enough to beat top teams…
then ask for better receivers and pass blockers, in the same post.
Strange.
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Would seem so, huh?
I think we have a passing game that can win a lot of games against top teams. Problem is we are a running team and don’t do to a passing “attack” until the running game clearly isn’t working.
Passing game is not the priority.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:39 pm
# ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:57 pm
if BSPN says it, the opposite is true … those guys aren’t reporters, they’re like teenage girls spreading gossip
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LMAO! EXACTLY!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
[...] “I wrote by book with Adam Schefter, but nobody knows what’s going to happen with the Raiders. He made it up,” he said on the air, per the Oakland Tribune. [...]
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
The coaches do get some say who they would like at their position but Big Al makes the final call. I think Art Shelll had a huge hand in his draft so did Gruden. Cable didn’t want to coach Crabtree so they went with DHB mistake. Kiffin wanted Matt Ryan when we took McFadden he didn’t want to coach Russell.
You just have to want players he likes and you’ll get what you want. He liked McClain and Houston and Ford. He liked Veldheer you just have to know what he likes and look for those types of players and there are tons of them that are great players like Luck or Locker or Newton. Players like DeMarco Murray he loves. He would give a ton to get Patrick Patterson I see great players all the times I know I can sell to him.
It’s matter of knowing what he likes and doesn’t like and don’t waste time with players you know he doesn’t like because he’ll only take them late or as a FA…………..it’s that simple.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:41 pm
I think we are a running team, lol, because our passing sucks.
So, Hill, what do you base your “passing game can win against top teams.”
Where was this passing game against the Titans (top team 1st half of the year w/ Young), Colts, or Steelers?
Those were the only legit teams we played all year.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm
So you HAVE to like what Davis likes.
That sounds like freedom to you? Sound like something a legit coach would want?
“You can pick the players I grade you on, SO LONG as they are the exact same players I like, even though I have one of the worst records as a GM in the draft and free agency.”
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:45 pm
The Raiders need to make a BIG play for Vincent Jackson!
Do whatever it takes to get him on this team!
Tell him that the Chargers didn’t want him or respect him….and that being a Raider will be the best PAYBACK!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:46 pm
He would give a ton to get Patrick Patterson I see great players all the times I know I can sell to him.
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Priest, just what is the nature of your relationship with Al?
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:47 pm
People are simple minded who think he ONLY likes this or ONLY likes that. He likes great talent like Mike Bush who isn’t a SPEEDSTER and DMC who is. He likes little guys like Ford and big specimens like Chaz Schilens.
He likes Gradkowski and Campbell 2 players who couldn’t be more different. He took Tui and then took AW very different players. But you have to show him why that player fits his phylosophy and works in your scheme.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm
I think priestt shouts at Al from the Mount Davis seats.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Al brought in JC.
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Because the HC didn’t like the current starting QB, and couldn’t get McNabb.
HC didn’t like the QB, owner went out and got another one.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm
My relationship with Al Davis???? I didn’t know I had one…………..lol I’ve just been around him a lot and watched him work some. He barely knows me really he knows of me.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Priestt,
He likes uber athletes, pure and simple. Doesn’t matter if they understand the game, can think on their feet, handle pressure. That’s why he misses on more of them than any other GM save Millen.
Our only pro-bowlers since Bruce Allen and Rich Gannon left were a punter and a CB. In 7 years. Ouch.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Ford for ROY?
What you guys think?
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:53 pm
That’s good JHill.
That QB he went and got promptly got benched after 6 quarters of awful football, and was benched again mid-season by both coaches.
Maybe that means we’ll get a new one next year to save us.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Yeah I know that’s why he has the highest winning % in sports for 30 years. lol you’re a dumbell
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm
I hope Cable or Hue stays as our coach, as they’ve both benched JC and would ask Al to try again.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm
My relationship with Al Davis???? I didn’t know I had one…………..lol I’ve just been around him a lot and watched him work some. He barely knows me really he knows of me.
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Your comment of “knowing what to sell him” implied a dialogue of some sort. Not trying to cause a stir, just curious.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
No passing game to put points up against good D’s and keep our D off the field?
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Like the GB-Chi game today, good defense will keep an offense under control. What we need against good defensive teams is a good defense ourselves, first and foremost. I don’t expect to score 20 pts against Pitts. We need to win that game 13-10!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Priestt, which 30 years?
1970 to 2000? Sure. Why does that matter?
Oh, it doesn’t. It’s 2011.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
LMAO at the excuses still being made for JaPanic. Poor Receivers, Poor blocking, poor this poor that.
Let’s see….
WR – Ford did step up and carried us a few times.
TE – Miller is a probowl alternate right?
OL – Where are we ranked in rushing yds vs rest of league? #2. Shouldnt that elevate our passing game? is the problem Hue or JaPanic?
RB – One of the best RB in the league.
D – carried the team a few times this year.
ST – carried the team a few times this year.
QB – Nothing but excuses for JaPanic
We will not be a playoff team until we solve our QB problem.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm
That QB he went and got promptly got benched after 6 quarters of awful football, and was benched again mid-season by both coaches.
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The point is the owner did what the HC wanted by getting rid of Jamarcus and getting someone to replace him. JC was the 2nd best “available” QB. Tried to get the best, couldn’t make it happen.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
LMAO at the excuses still being made for JaPanic. Poor Receivers, Poor blocking, poor this poor that.
Let’s see….
WR – Ford did step up and carried us a few times.
TE – Miller is a probowl alternate right?
OL – Where are we ranked in rushing yds vs rest of league? #2. Shouldnt that elevate our passing game? is the problem Hue or JaPanic?
RB – One of the best RB in the league.
D – carried the team a few times this year.
ST – carried the team a few times this year.
QB – Nothing but excuses for JaPanic
We will not be a playoff team until we solve our QB problem.
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AIG,
Who played better today Jason Campbell or Matt Cassel?
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Hill,
you’re going to use ONE game in 15 degree weather as your evidence?
If we had even AVERAGE QB play against the 49ers and Colts, we’d be in the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Yes it is all Murphy’s fault in the Pitt game. Because you know, the Steelers never force any turnovers.
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Who said it was ALL Murphy’s fault?
Defense let us down BIG time!
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Keep Gallery, Satele, Huff, Bush, Wimbley and add Vincent Jackson!
Then draft a a young Center to groom behind Satele, and draft a RT, draft a strong (but not fat) beast two gap DT, (Kendrick Ellis from Hampton) and CB if one is not signed in FA.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Had he got the QB he wanted Mike Vick would be here. We would’ve had John Elway instead of Jay Shreoder. Getting great players isn’t easy they’re not walking the street looking for work.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Armchair,
pardon us if we like winning, you know, all year instead of 1 game.
Cassel – 27 TDs, 7 INTs, lit up the 49ers, Titans, and Jags.
Campbell – 12 TDs, 8 INTs, 30 sacks.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Get a reliable #1 receiver and shore up the right side of the o-line and we average 30 points a game easily…
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
I won’t even post the awful #s Campbell produced against those same 49ers, TItans, and Jags teams.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
RMR’s comments…minus his lack of football experience/knowledge = negative comments
(don’t forget the Al r@ped my mom multiplier)
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
If Mallet is there in Round 2, the Raiders need to draft him without hesitating.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
f$&@ the squeelers…i hope they lose bad in the playoffs….
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Cable didn’t want to coach Crabtree so they went with DHB mistake. Kiffin wanted Matt Ryan when we took McFadden he didn’t want to coach Russell.
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Really? I mean really?
Kiffin wanted Matt Ryan? Shcytt I didnt realize the Raiders had a chance at Matty Ice. Didnt he get drafted before our 4th pick. Yes he did at #3. He was never in the picture for us you moron.
Cablen didnt want crabtree? You mean AD never wanted someone with size and speed at the combine? DHB is a typical AD pick. AD owns that pick and should be held accountable for it. I doubt it was TC that released the presser during OTA’s on DHB. Stop with the excuses already.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:02 pm
you’re going to use ONE game in 15 degree weather as your evidence?
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How many examples do you want?
I try not to write books on here.
How about Atlanta all season keeping teams under 20 pts? I think there are a few examples of them playing good defenses. Do you really want me to look all that stuff up?
You can’t understand us working out the “big play” problem and holding teams to under 20 pts?
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Come on ArmChair,
you blame those atrocious QB games vs Tenn, STL, SF, Pitt, and Indy on one blocker and receiver,
instead of the guy making 25 bad decisions/throws out of 35 attempts?
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
I think JFB said it earlier…Jason Campbell is the master of the big pump-fake deep followed by a check-down for the RB to break 2 tackles for the 1st down….on 3rd down.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
What’s the use of getting a bonafide WR when the QB refuses to throw down the field or could never be consistently accurate throwing downfield? Santana Moss was once a probowl WR during JaPanic’s time in DC.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Jhill the Pitt game just got away from us and they played extremely well. Big Ben hadn’t beaten the Raiders before and he played a great game. Our young WR’s have cost us some games and that was one of them. We should’ve had an early lead if Murphy stays in bounds JC threw a perfect pass. The defense fell apart in the second qrtr. But the offense put them in bad situations.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Armchair,
pardon us if we like winning, you know, all year instead of 1 game.
Cassel – 27 TDs, 7 INTs, lit up the 49ers, Titans, and Jags.
Campbell – 12 TDs, 8 INTs, 30 sacks.
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Alex, Jason Campbell’s season record was 7-4. Gradkowskis was 1-4.
Campbell stunk up the first two games. But he came on strong and has played well since about game 5.
The o-line stunk it up against Pittsburgh and Miami.
The defense stunk it up against Jacksonville and Indy.
If you’re gonna tell the story tell the WHOLE story.
Fix that O-line and get a quality #1 receiver and Campbell will get us to the playoffs next year. Fact.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:06 pm
keep everyone…add good players…AFC West is ours
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:06 pm
If we had even AVERAGE QB play against the 49ers and Colts, we’d be in the playoffs.
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I’ll call and raise you a good defensive game against the Jags, a Texans team without Andre Johnson, a Derek Anderson led Az, and that Colts team then we win the division and have a bye.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Hill,
the reason we did well today was because we played with a lead most of the game.
That’s what helps defenses.
Look at Minnesota’s defense suddenly look horrible without a QB.
Bears D is suddenly relevant again the same year Cutler kicks butt.
Bucs bad defense last year is suddenly good now that Josh Freeman can pass the ball.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm
we lost 4 games to teams that lost ten games this season: Tenn, Hou, SF all 6-10; AZ 6-11 (this does not even include losing to a 7-9 Miami at home).
Raiders will win 12 games next season!
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Shoot, the only time we’ve had a top 10 defense was the year our offense was #1 in the league.
No coincidence how our D dropped in 2003 when our QB went down even though we had many similar players.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Getting great players isn’t easy they’re not walking the street looking for work.
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Exactly!!!!!
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
I dare anyone to break down the 7 wins JC got this year and show me 1 shred of evidence we won because of JC for those 7 games. If you gonna talk about the whole picture, please make sure you can back it up.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
the reason we did well today was because we played with a lead most of the game.
That’s what helps defenses.
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It was 10-10 in the 3rd qtr. CMON man.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:10 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Fix that O-line and get a quality #1 receiver and Campbell will get us to the playoffs next year. Fact.
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Add to that a shutdown corner opposite Nnamdi, another NT, and a new Special Teams coach and we go to the AFC championship game. Everything else just has to do with scheme and coaching, i.e the terrible 5 safety alignment on defense, and showing our blitzes too early…
But as far as players, those are all the pieces we need. Print that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Aig,
Matt Ryan was gone b4 we even picked. Kiffin was clear that he wanted DMC.
Kiff didnt want JRuss. But he favored Brady Quinn. That wouldnt have been that much better.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:10 pm
I like your logic RaiderRetribution.
Since our QBs struggled against Tenn, SF, Houston, and AZ…
they will magically kick butt against the Patriots, Jets, Bears, Packers, and Vikings next year.
Nice.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Old Man Al need to keep BOTH Cable and Hue, and use the same template for drafting and signing FA’s like last year.
This year however, the key is to re sign and keep as many potential IN HOUSE Free Agents as possible.
The one BIG outside FA signing for next year, needs to be the pickup of a true #1 WR!
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Give JC better line play instead of 1st and 15 every series and some reliable WR’s and the kid will get it done he showed that today.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:14 pm
One more good draft and we will be a perennial playoff team
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Getting a TRUE #1 WR (like V Jack) and a solid RT, will make this offense very…VERY dangerous next year.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
ArmChair,
do you want to ignore that Campbell had Santana Moss and Chris Cooley in Washington?
That his blockers were pro bowlers Chris Samuels and Pete Kendall?
That he was benched by Joe Gibbs for 40-something Mark Brunell one year, and Todd Collins another year, with that talent?
You guys ignore a lot
He is what he is. You don’t improve as a QB after 6 years as a starter. THat’s proven research.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
He did want Matt Ryan I know it for a fact we jsuust didn’t make the moves to get him. He liked DMC a lot but if he could’ve gotten rid of Russell he would’ve tried to get Ryan. That is a fact.
Mr Davis refused to part with Russell making getting Matt Ryan a moot point………………period
The Priest has spoken.
Kiff wanted to use Russell as trade bait……….period
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Raidertay
Agreed. I was just being sarcastic to the resident blog moron who claims to know everything on AD and the Raiduhs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Campbell, in his career, has a HORRIBLE record against good teams.
Won’t change at age 30.
What he did against the Titans and Steelers,
he’ll do against the Jets, Patriots, Bears, and Vikings next year.
uhh, print that. period. all that stuff.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
It would be great to have an upgrade at the QB position fellas, but those 1st Tier QB’s are hard to find. They don’t grow from trees just like that, and they don’t fall into a teams lap very often either.
I wanted Vick badly last year, but Philly was smart and kept him.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
D.H. Bust has to go.
Release this guy, please.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Drew Stanton does intrigue me a bit also.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:21 pm
490.priesttj Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Give JC better line play instead of 1st and 15 every series and some reliable WR’s and the kid will get it done he showed that today.
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Yes Sir.
JC is hardly the guy to get it done by himself, but he can be a piece of a good team.
Our defense CAN be one that holds teams to under 20 pts. McClain, Houston, and ShoNasty will be better next year. Stevie Brown will start in place of Branch. We’ll add some depth on the DL in the draft.
Simply losing the BIG Nickel, keeping Huff at FS instead of CB, and replacing Branch gives us 3-4 more wins next year year.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:21 pm
As far as getting a top quarterback goes.
Get one, now. Do what ever you have to do to get one.
You’ll never be a winner without one.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
ArmChair,
do you want to ignore that Campbell had Santana Moss and Chris Cooley in Washington?
That his blockers were pro bowlers Chris Samuels and Pete Kendall?
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I’m talking about what Campbell did THIS season as a Raider. That’s all that matters to me.
After Grads went down for the season, Campbell has played very good football. The o-line stunk against Pittsburgh and Miami. The defense lost in Jacksonville and Indy.
Campbell’s overall season record was 7-4. That’s a fact. If you take only Campbell’s record alone, and based the season on that, we’re in the playoffs this season.
Football is a team sport, no doubt. But you can’t blame all of the team losses on Campbell, but then give the credit for all of the team wins to everybody BUT Campbell. Sorry AIG, and Alex…it don’t work like that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
155 passing yds and you consider that as something “he showed today”. You mean it wasnt our Dline and Bush that practically won the game for us today. I knew some morons would come on here to claim credit for JaPanic for today’s win.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
If scouts say JC holds the ball too long, and they’ve been saying it for 6 years, why would we ignore that and blame the line instead?
Priest, we gave JC 3rd and 4 and 3rd and 5 to start the game with the Colts.
He failed each time. And the loss was on.
Ditto vs Titans. DMac ran wild, JC sucked, route on.
Completed 1/3rd of his passes vs 49ers.
Blame the o-line? lol.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Kiffin wanted Adrian Peterson instead of Russell as well Mr Davis wanted Calvin Johnson or J Russ he thought he had to take the QB because of his huge talent if he could make it work he had a great QB and could get a WR later. The only thing that meesed up the meal was Russel’s immaturity.
IMO Russell is a better talent than Ryan but Ryan works at it 3x’s as hard I’m not sure how good Ryan is or will get to be but he’ll never have that type talent. If Russell ever grows up he will be immediately one of the top teir QB’s in this league. IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
If scouts say JC holds the ball too long, and they’ve been saying it for 6 years, why would we ignore that and blame the line instead?
Priest, we gave JC 3rd and 4 and 3rd and 5 to start the game with the Colts.
He failed each time. And the loss was on.
Ditto vs Titans. DMac ran wild, JC sucked, route on.
Completed 1/3rd of his passes vs 49ers.
Blame the o-line? lol.
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I see 7-4 Campbell record vs
1-4 Gradkowski record.
Tell us that Grads played better than Campbell this season so that we can all get a good laugh for the day.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
I would also love to see FB’s Owen Maricec or Stanley Havili on this Raider team next year also.
Maricec would fit right in and be a great blocking FB, while Reece is the receiving threat.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
ArmChair,
would you agree or disagree with this?
THIS year, Jason Campbell did what he’s done his entire career, according to scouts.
He managed some games well and beat bad teams.
He played lousy against pressure D’s (Tenn, STL, SF, Pitt, Indy)
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Raiders are the 16th best team in the NFL (record wise); unless of course the Seahwks win the Super Bowl, then we are the 17th best team.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
debate all you want about campbell…his play was at best average…overall….horrific at times…he made progress….nothing more….
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Home: San Diego, Denver, Kansas City, New England, New York Jets, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland.
Away: San Diego, Denver, Kansas City, Buffalo, Miami, Minnesota, Green Bay, Houston.
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Green Bay is the only road team that concerns me on that schedule. Minnesota is done.
NE and Chicago will be a challenge at home. Not scared of Sanchez and LaDanian at all. OUr D will shut them down.
This team should be EASILY looking at 10-11 wins next year!
SD
SD
KC
KC
Den
Den
Cleve
Buff
Det
Miami
Houston
Minn
Even if we split with SD, there’s still 11 wins there for us.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:29 pm
I like JC but if I could get a mature JaMarcus Russell I would dump JC in a heartbeat. That kid is wasting the best talent at that position I have ever seen. No he’s not T brady accurate but who is? he is just a dynamic awesome talent with a absolute gun throws the prettiest ball in the pros.
Russell if he wakes up intime will be scary good………period
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
ArmChair,
would you agree or disagree with this?
THIS year, Jason Campbell did what he’s done his entire career, according to scouts.
He managed some games well and beat bad teams.
He played lousy against pressure D’s (Tenn, STL, SF, Pitt, Indy)
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I will agree that in the first 3 games you mentioned he played horribly. He looked like the second coming of Jamarcus Russell. His mind was definitely playing tricks on him.
Against Pitt and Miami the o-line didn’t show up. We are a run first team. Our offense is currently constructed off of establishing the run. WE don’t have the offensive weapons or pass protection to beat teams in the air. The o-line got manhandled all day long in those two games and we could not establish the run with Mcfadden. Hue Jackson abandoned the run and it was a wrap.
Against Jacksonville and Indy, the defense laid huge,rotten eggs.
That’s what I and most people that watched the games saw.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
hard to believe the jason haters are still in here spouting off!!! jason campbell= the face of the franchise..get over it. we suggest you find a qb you like and go to his teams’ blog..
your arguments are tired and losing traction every game.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Jason & Bruce musical chairs was basically the same as the Stevie Brown active roster spot.
Too much back and forth you got to have one starting QB and stick with him. If after 3-4 games in a row you need to make a move you make it , but not after one half, one game, or one and a half games. You stick with your starting qb.
We filled many holes this season. Raiders are a team to be reckoned with.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
vs Tenn. we run the ball very well, JC sucks, we lose.
vs 49ers a 10 QB rating. Worse than Russell ever had. (WOW)
vs STL we need our backup to bail our starting QB.
vs Pitt 26 QB rating. (wow)
vs Colts 2 passing first downs in the 1st half. (WOW)
THIS IS NORMAL FOR HIS CAREER.
You guys have this fantasy that it will all go away.
The holding the ball too long, the sacks, the turnovers, the lack of pocket awareness, game awareness.
Okie dokie.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Armchair,
Let’s be fair. You claim to look at the whole picture then let’s break down each of those 7 wins. Let’s see if JC carried the day? I doubt you can point to any of those 7 games that says JC carried the team that day.
vs SD – spec team spotten us 12 points and Daniel Loper saved our bacon with the fumb recovery.
vs Den – Oline/DMAC gained over 300 yds rushing and 6 combined TD’s
vs Sea – Defense gave up 3 points.
vs KC – Ford
vs SD – 251 yds rushing vs 117 yds passing. Enough said.
vs Den – DMAc and Reece.
vs KC – Dline
So please tell me where JC made the difference for us. When we needed him badly he stunk up the joint. Refused to throw into the endzone vs JAX with 11 secs left. Couldnt hit anybody vs SF.
When we win, you guys have no problem giving props to JC for the win even though the evidence shows he was a not the main reason for winning. When we lose you have no problem excusing JC for the loss. That’s lame.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:32 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Jason & Bruce musical chairs was basically the same as the Stevie Brown active roster spot.
Too much back and forth you got to have one starting QB and stick with him. If after 3-4 games in a row you need to make a move you make it , but not after one half, one game, or one and a half games. You stick with your starting qb.
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I agree. This was Cable’s biggest mistake this season.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Mr. Jason Campbell is a good quarterback, not a superstar, but still a good quarterback.
He will need to take more risks, coaching staff must let him know though that should he take more risks, that is wing it downfield more often, and he ends up throwing more ints that he is still starting.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
AIG at some point when you grow up if you EVER grow up you’ll come to realize that teams win games and championships.
QB has to play his position well so he helps the team win, that is all that is required of him is o help the team win. JC does that game in game out he doesn’t hurt the team he helps it. That is what 100 out of 100 coaches are looking for.
Stop talking like a fool BOY and wake up!
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Tell us that Grads played better than Campbell this season so that we can all get a good laugh for the day.
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LOL!
By far, some will tell you.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:35 pm
RR,
you do realize we WON the Rams game because of the switch, right?
Both the HC and OC wanted him benched.
Kinda silly to not do it, out of some “must be 3 games” rule you just made up.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:36 pm
510.autopalm77 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
debate all you want about campbell…his play was at best average…overall….horrific at times…he made progress….nothing more….
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The above description has been his track record throughout his entire career but some on here would like to claim he is going to be different in his 8th season and 70+ starts.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
campbell just led this team to a solid old fashioned whuppin of the division champs..thoroughly throttling kc in every phase of football
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Armchair,
Let’s be fair.
When we win, you guys have no problem giving props to JC for the win even though the evidence shows he was a not the main reason for winning. When we lose you have no problem excusing JC for the loss. That’s lame.
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AIG not true. No one, especially not me is EXCUSING the horrific games Jason Campbell had. I was screaming to bench him as much as anyone during those first few games…
But if you truly wanna be fair, you can’t dismiss that he settled down by the midway point and played some good football.
A quarterback is like an orchestra conductor, he doesn’t play all of the instruments, but the game flows through him, and he keeps all of the pieces on offense working smoothly and cohesively as one unit.
His overall record was 7-4. A QB doesn’t have to put up Brady, and Marino numbers every game to be effective.
You can’t discredit him for the wins, but then blame him for the losses. It simply doesn’t work like that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
JC is a good QB that can manage the game. He is not going to be great, but we can still win with him.
The Giants went to the SB with Collins, and Ravens won it with Dilfer.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Priestt,
if TEAMS win games, and not really QBs,
why do the Vikings and Cardinals stink this year?
Why did the Titans go on a huge losing streak once Vince Young was out?
Why did the Eagles become relevant once Vick took over from Kolb?
All that changed was the QB play.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Priestt,
if TEAMS win games, and not really QBs,
why do the Vikings and Cardinals stink this year?
Why did the Titans go on a huge losing streak once Vince Young was out?
Why did the Eagles become relevant once Vick took over from Kolb?
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For the same reason that Campbell was 7-4 and Gradkowski was 1-4.
You just proved our point…
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Priest,
I’m wide awake and thanks for asking after 8 hours of jetting across the country.
The question is are you off your meds right now? Only a dummie like you would think that Tom Cable (not Al Davis)picked DHB.
Can you point out one shred of evidence where JC stepped when we needed him this season? What did he do in Jax when he had 1:31 secs, 60 yds to go and 1 timeout?
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:41 pm
it’s not about hating any one player…campbell’s deficiencies are the most telling…any objective person can see several of his games were atrocious…fellow alum from auburn….he should have watched sooner…his mobility improved greatly and even said that is what inspired him to use his feet….
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Thes eyoung kids come in here with these bright ideas and they don’t understand what wins. You don’t HAVE to be Tom Brady to win a championship you have to run the offense the way the coach wants and don’t get the team beat. That is all that is required and JC throws some very nice passes and he’s accurate but he’s dealing with some very young inexperienced players who don’t make plays. He trhew the prettiest pass to Murphy deep and he dropped it. That’s WHY he doesn’t do it he doesn’t trust them. The pass he threw to DHB if you saw the parttern he ran you know why he does throw to him. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see why he doesn’t get them involved as much as he would like. They DON’T MAKE PLAYS…………..period
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
And the Giants dumped Collins. The Ravens refused to resign Dilfer. They knew neither QBs were the reason for winning.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Raider O, how do you define “good” in a QB?
Campbell annually is among the league’s worse at taking sacks and turning the ball over, year after year.
Campbell has a losing record.
He’s been benched by 3 different head coaches.
Been benched for Todd Collins, Mark Brunell, and Bruce G.
He was traded in his prime for a measly future 4th rounder.
Has struggled against good teams his entire career.
Was in bottom half of NFL QBs this year in rating, TD to INT ratio, and turnover ratio.
Honestly curious how this makes him “good” compared to the other NFL QBs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:44 pm
you do realize we WON the Rams game because of the switch, right?
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Wasn’t it only 7-3 when the switch was made?
Didn’t we have an opening drive that got us inside the 5 yd line that Reese got stuffed on a 4th and 1?
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Armchair,
It’s really simple. Why did the Ravens dumped Dilfer when he was the QB at helm when they won the SB? They obviously didnt think he was responsible for those wins.
Why dont you point to one shred of evidence that our starting QB carried the team at least once this season. Over an entire season, we have seen a rookie WR, ST, TE, D, OL and RB’s carried the team. Why can’t you point out one game where our QB playing the most important position of any football team carried the team?
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Priestt,
slow down. Check your spelling. Separate your sentences a little.
Also, Jason Campbell does NOT manage games well.
How did he “manage” the end of the Jaguars game?
Or the 49ers game? Or the Titans game? Or the Colts game, where he couldn’t complete simple 3rd and 5 passes, instead throwing 3 yard outs.
There’s a reason he’s been benched twice this year. He’s not “good” by any definition.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:48 pm
I think our defense could have done much better especially against the run, and we also allowed a lot of big plays in passing situations.
-I don’t like his constant S blitz.
-I still can’t believe he has a coverage scheme without a single CB on the field.
-Why do we activate 8-9 LBs and only 3 CBs?!? We run a 4-3!
We need a better DC.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Yes JHill,
Campbell gave us THREE points against the Rams in a half.
Our backup gave us 13.
The Seahawks backup just put up 16.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Alex I agree you bring in a backup qb in the middle of the game when the offense is not going anywhere, but that does not mean you make him the starter, or even worse play the qb that had the best game last week, or rathe bench the one that had the lousy week… aka the Miami game…
Raiders just won what 3 or 4 games in a row, before the bye, gained 500 yds twice, dominated opponents, we end up coming out flat after the bye.. suck an egg against Troy P. and the best defense in the NFL and we bench our starting qb, Again?
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Raider O,
would you agree that like 25 NFL teams could use a “better” DC, since their D’s are ranked outside of the top 5?
Ours was ranked 11, so I guess you can be greedy and want better, for minimum pay, with no personnel control.
Probably won’t get it though.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 pm
autopalm77 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
…I am sure you know nothhing of what the average Iraqi says
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We know Spartacus doesn’t. LOL. He thinks we freed Muslims. I’m waiting on him to name one Muslim who shares that sentiment.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
this is not baseball or basketball, there are not 82-162 games to figure it out or go with the hot hand for a week or two
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:52 pm
priesttj Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
The coaches do get some say who they would like at their position but Big Al makes the final call.
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The coaches get “some” say? LOL. That’s what makes the Oakland Raiders the best head coaching gig in all of pro sports! The coaches get to basically ask Al if they can play a certain player. Al ultimately decides yes or no.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Hey dunbell he’s not the only one at fault JFord had his worse day While JC is everything anybody wants at QB he is an efficient QB who makes throws when you need him to and he doesn’t throw aton of picks nor does he put the ball at risk like a lot of starting QB’s do.
I’m sorry it’s a waste of my time arguing with you kids. Think whatever you wish I’m done.
I know he’ll start unlees we get someone better either way it’s great for the Raiders and myself.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Well RR,
after the Steelers game,
Jason Campbell had given us horrendous games against the Titans, Rams, 49ers, and Steelers.
That’s 4 horrendous games in 8 starts.
I would think most organizations would find that unacceptable for a starter.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
lmfao at people tryign to rewrite the history in the STL game.
uhhh….Higgins returned the punt 53 yds to STL 25. On 4th and 1, JaPanic failed to recognize the formation out there and Reece got stuffed because they overloaded the side Reece was going to run to. After the game TC explained that’s why he tried to call the timeout because JC should have recognized that STL overloaded on the side Reece was designed to run to. A few games later, JaPanic admitted to Rich Gannon prior to the SF game he still had not learned all the formations.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Good QB: 13 TDs, 8 INTs, 84.5 QB rating, 7.3 yards avg, and 59% cmp!!!!!
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Priestt,
the truth shows that JC is one of the league’s worst, EVERY YEAR, at Interceptions thrown per pass attempt.
He annually is among the worst QBs in taking sacks (holds the ball too long).
Again, what makes him “efficient”?
You think you can just make up adjectives to describe him, when the actual data proves otherwise?
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:55 pm
we’ve got to bounce back. We’ve got another week going. The Raiders don’t.”
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jamaal Charles talkin a little smack about the raiders. We own you kc have fun gettin ur a$$ handed to u next weekend division winners are not raiders own you.
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did I actually read a post above that Said campbell is the face of The franchise.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha that’s some funny stuff there. When people think raiders they think ford, dmac, #21, Seymour, miller, bush lmao not Campbell.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Priest,
I’ll give you a chance to take this statment back…..”JC is everything anybody wants at QB he is an efficient QB who makes throws when you need him to and he doesn’t throw aton of picks nor does he put the ball at risk like a lot of starting QB’s do.”
Do you realize that JC leads the league in int/fumb per passing attempts? You’re right. You shouldnt waste your time with me. I’ll debunk all your stupid claims faster than you can churn them out.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Raider O,
those are HORRIBLE numbers, ESPECIALLY when you have the 2nd best rush offense!!!
Especially in your 6th NFL season!
Those are Mark Sanchez numbers. At least Mark is 22 and improving.
EVERY QB in the playoffs besides Mark and whoever the Seahawks guy is has a much better QB rating, and a much better TD to INT ratio.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
we’ve got to bounce back. We’ve got another week going. The Raiders don’t.”
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Ha ha ha ha!!!
Gotta admit, good comeback at the Raiders who’ve been talking smack on twitter.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Priestt,,
the truth shows that JC is one of the league’s worst, EVERY YEAR, at Interceptions thrown per pass attempt.
He annually is among the worst QBs in taking sacks (holds the ball too long).
Again, what makes him “efficient”?
You think you can just make up adjectives to describe him, when the actual data proves otherwise?
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Hire a good/great DC and we can be a top 5 defense. We have a lot of talent on, and I believe we can be a real speacial unit after we add a DC and a few more players.
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:59 pm
truth be told, the raiders just knocked the chumps out of the play-offs too,,the ravens are drooling from the mouth i mean beek right now, lol
January 2nd, 2011 at 10:59 pm
If JC can’t be NFL average despite having the 2nd best rushing attack,
what will happen next year when we fall to about 10th in rushing after facing the Jets, Patriots, Bears, and Vikings?
Imagine how bad he will do! Well, as bad as he did this year when we didn’t run for 200 (Tenn, SF, Pitt, Indy)
It’s kinda simple. Just look at his history, including this year.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:00 pm
JaPanic is def not the face of the franchise. I went to the Den game and did not see one #8 jersey being worn by anyone out there.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Combination-Question: Who is better than Mr. Jason Campbell, that is available, that the Raiders can sign (via free agency or trade) to be their starting QB?
I’ll wait…
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Raider O,
just so you know, there are ZERO top-10 defenses this year that play mostly man defense.
There’s a reason for that.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
With the 2nd best rushing game in the league, shouldnt our passing game benefited as well? So is the problem the OC or QB?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:02 pm
I can’t stand McNabb but I’d take him in a heartbeat over JaPanic.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
lmfao at people tryign to rewrite the history in the STL game.
uhhh….Higgins returned the punt 53 yds to STL 25. On 4th and 1, JaPanic failed to recognize the formation out there and Reece got stuffed because they overloaded the side Reece was going to run to.
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So the TEAM did have a failed 4th and 1 inside the 5 yd line?
It was a FB dive UP THE MIDDLE, lol! The SAME one we run EVERY game! Chris Long, A DE, lol, beat his man one on one and and got to Reese. We got the same half yard or so we always get.
Do you watch the games yet? Or are you still going off game recaps?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Yeah that’s probably why 3 HC’s have settled on him as a starter but don’t get it confused you know more than they do. They just work there.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
RR,
we don’t know what QBs will be cut yet. Also, you trade for QBs if they’re not yet FAs but can be had.
Can’t just wait for a FA to fall in your lap.
You go get guys like Drew Stanton, Carson Palmer, or Kyle Orton, and let them compete for the starting position.
Campbell’s flaws are career-long and unchangeable.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
man to man made cassell look stupid today….
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Campbell having 13 td’s and 8 picks, for a starting NFL qb is good that’s awfull. Those are pretty week numbers, I mean really weak
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:05 pm
psst. Alex JC was at least average, he was 19th in QB rating even with those horrendous games vs Tenn,Pitt, SF, and Indy) and of those games 3/4 our running game was for bronco dung, and the Tenn game was our first game with a new QB & OC, and recievers with about as many receptions as Nnamdi has had passes thrown in his career.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:06 pm
JHill,
a veteran QB should audible out of a dive play into an overload side. It’s quite simple.
Priestt,
3 coaches have benched JC and then, yes, SETTLED for him.
So he has a 50% bench/start rate. lol, that’s good?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Sorry RR,
19th out of 32 falls in the 60th percentile.
He did this with the #2 rushing attack protecting him.
And a cupcake schedule.
Yikes.
That’s below-average every which way you try and slice it.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:08 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
So the TEAM did have a failed 4th and 1 inside the 5 yd line?
It was a FB dive UP THE MIDDLE, lol! The SAME one we run EVERY game!
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I watched the game and you obviously dont know wtf you’re talking about. The play wasnt up the middle you fck face. It was to the right and got stuffed due to the overload on that side. Here is the exact description from yahoo
4th-1, STL6 8:28 M. Reece rushed to the right for no gain.
Who’s laughing now?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:09 pm
It’s always nice to upgrade the level of talent that we have, but JC is a good QB. He is an avg- good NFL QB.
A lot of teams play man, but they don’t play man all the time. They also have better DCs and better schemes.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:09 pm
#565 great post
The truth is they started him didn’t they?? 3 HC’s with their jobs on the line.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:09 pm
80.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm
ghosttothepost Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 5:57 pm
if BSPN says it, the opposite is true …
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Actually, it’s quite the opposite when it comes to the Raiders. They’re almost always right about the Raiders.
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Examples please.
Schefter said unequivocally last year that Cable would be fired. He was WRONG, and Mort said the same thing.
Schefter also said McNabb was coming to Oakland. He was WRONG AGAIN.
The only things they get right are obvious things that ANYBODY could predict.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Do you realize that JC leads the league in int/fumb per passing attempts?
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RIDICULOUS stat for a guy with 8 ints and 1 lost fumble on the year, lol!
Talk about reaching!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
If we can find a QB better than Campbell, then I would be all for it.
There is just not many out there available and that’s a fact!
They don’t grow on trees people!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Olinesux,
again, we want to win throughout the season, not once in a while.
Man defense 90% of the time, does not exist in top-10 defenses’ vocabulary.
Means no CB help in run game. No disguising anything.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:12 pm
If we can get Kolb or Vick, then we change our starting qb,
as for Orton, Palmer, or Stanton:
why not Alex Smith or Trent Edwards?
Whoever wins the starting gig you stick with him.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Raider O now you were able o admit that and it didn’t kill ya’ did it. These fools act like saying he can play is herecy. No one is saying he’s top teir or better than everyone else. But he does get the job done………….period
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
One qb I would like to see the Raiders go after is Josh Johnson of the Tampa Bay Bucs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
why dont you crunch the effin numbers and then come back in here to see if I was reaching or not. I dare you!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
DKnight,
So you have $@#$ like the Bears, and trade big for one.
Voila, problem solved.
Or bring in a handful of guys like Rex Grossman and Ryan Fitzpatrick, have a real competition, find the diamond in the rough.
Or, you’re Al Davis and keep taking other teams’ rejects, anointing them the starter, then wonder why it’s not happening here.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Jhill these 2 fools will argue with a signpost. Dumb and dumber……
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
I’m still waiting for you supposed Raider fans who keep crying about Campbell, to give us the solution and which player the team can get that is better an in the top tier of QB’s in the league to replace him?
What’s your solution on how to upgrade the QB position, since some of you keep wasting energy and keep whining and crying about how Campbell sucks?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Give me Palmer with are running game won’t have to throw as much as he does in cincy. Ya he throws picks every now and then but he throws the ball a ton and takes chances not checkdowns. Honestly he would kill with the running game da raiders got and to me that’s the key his passing abillity and our run game.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:16 pm
news flash Peyton or was it Brady, no it was Brees demanded a new contract, so their GM is going to trade him to the Raiders for their 2nd round pick.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:16 pm
or was it for a 5th and a 6th?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
The play wasnt up the middle you fck face.
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Are you getting mad again, lol??!!!
We run the same lame FB dive EVERY GAME.
There you go with your game log stuff again.
How can a play DESIGNED to go off C/G be overloaded?
Bottom line is the TEAM was at the 5 yd line and should have scored some pts if the RT makes an effin block.
Overloaded side??? LMFAO!
FB sweep, huh????
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Priestt, good job!
JC does get the job done, if the job is having a career losing record, struggling against every top team you face, and putting up a lousy 13 TDs and 8 picks, with 33 sacks, despite having a cupcake schedule and #2 rushing attack.
Yep, he gets that job done.
If the job is getting benched half the 6 years you’ve been in the league, then yes, he’s doing his job.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
DKnight,
So you have $@#$ like the Bears, and trade big for one.
Voila, problem solved.
Or bring in a handful of guys like Rex Grossman and Ryan Fitzpatrick, have a real competition, find the diamond in the rough.
Or, you’re Al Davis and keep taking other teams’ rejects, anointing them the starter, then wonder why it’s not happening here.
^^^^^^^^
Who is this QB who will fall out of the sky and be better than Campbell?
Where is he? Only one I can think of…is maaaaaaybe McNabb, but he seems like he is done.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Jhilll what they wnat is to have spend the nite looking up useless garbage trying undo their lies man. All they do is make false statements and then ask you to prove them wrong.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Alex7 & AIG present logical arguments explaining why Campbell is a poor QB. They back up their arguments with stats, examples, and facts. Campbell’s own play supports their argument.
The Campbell supporters refuse to address these facts and instead put forth an emotional arguments. We should all agree than Campbell is a good QB because they “like this kid”. It’s all based on talent that they just know is hiding in the 70+ game starter, but has yet to show itself. Apparently they can see this untapped talent and those of us who rate him on what we see on the field are just blind fools. It’s ridiculous and childish way to debate.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Palmer….maaaaaaaybe…but he looks like he is done also.
He can’t win in crunch time.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:19 pm
I’ll even take Trent Edwards over this idiot we got in Oakland. How many times have we seen JaDrama Queen pretend to be seriously hurt only to come back in the next series? I swear this dude knows how to game the system. He checks down to keep his comp % up. He refuses to throw hail mary’s to avoid potential ints hurting his numbers (vs Lions last year and Jax this year). He gets hurt every time someone touches him only to come back in the next series. Then you hear the Raider flagship radio talk about how courageous he was to come back in or tough it out. It is as if his agent has the whole thing scripted for his next contract.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Will someone else please describe our FB dive-fake pitch to DMac play to AIG?
As a matter of fact, will someone remind him that the PLAY CALL was dumb in that we should have pitched it to a WIDE OPEN DMac, lol?
Will someone please tell this guy that the FB does not run outside the G on that play???
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Palmer has had Benson rush for a 1000 yds two seasons in a row, quality wrs (on the field anyway) and has digressed.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Hill,
3 points in an entire half.
You’re wasting time about one run play JC didn’t audible out of despite having like 9 in the box and 3 in the gap it’s going to.
It’s ok
3 points in an entire half, after an abysmal week in Tennessee.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
# RaiderRetribution Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:12 pm
If we can get Kolb or Vick, then we change our starting qb,
as for Orton, Palmer, or Stanton:
why not Alex Smith or Trent Edwards?
Whoever wins the starting gig you stick with him.
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Alex Smith or Trent Edwards??
LMAO!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm
I think Orton would be a good pickup.
He can sling it…and with a good running game like the Raiders, it may make him even better.
He had a non existent running game in Denver.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm
still waiting for the qb solution
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RR,
regressed to 3,700 yards and 25 TDs.
That’s still better than what we have.
And his run game and D sucked this year.
He made the playoffs last year.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
None of Palmer’s bad games this year were as bad as JC’s 10 rating against the Rams or 20 against the Steelers.
Also remember Carson has had these pro bowl seasons facing the Steelers and Ravens twice a year.
Campbell struggled against the Rams and 49ers
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Campbell got the job done this year. He took us to the promise land of 8-8. If that doesn’t tell you how good he is, then you’re crazy!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Jhill,
You should stop making shcytt up. You made shcytt up about the last play in the Jax game in which you tried to put the blame on Ford for not getting out of bounds and I provided the video to prove otherwise on the Ford play. You came back with this schytt about you can’t view videos from nfl.com.
Now you just made shcytt up about the STL game. Like you remembered how Reece went up the middle and Long beat his man to get to him. BTW, Long is a DE not DT so he wouldnt make the tackle if it went up the middle. hahahaha
I just proved you dont know wtf you’re talking about. Reece didnt do a sweep. It was a play to the right side of the line and he got stuffed due to the overload by STL on that side. TC tried to call the timeout because JC failed to recognize the issue. He either failed to audible, call timeout, or simply forgot which side the run was going to. Plain and simple.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
hey! just read this. Thanks!
# NoPassingZone Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Alex7 & AIG present logical arguments explaining why Campbell is a poor QB. They back up their arguments with stats, examples, and facts. Campbell’s own play supports their argument.
The Campbell supporters refuse to address these facts and instead put forth an emotional arguments. We should all agree than Campbell is a good QB because they “like this kid”. It’s all based on talent that they just know is hiding in the 70+ game starter, but has yet to show itself. Apparently they can see this untapped talent and those of us who rate him on what we see on the field are just blind fools. It’s ridiculous and childish way to debate.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Nopassingzone the truth is I couldn’t care lesss what they say he starts wether they like it or not. We won more games this season with him satrting than we have in 7 years if he gets better he can win this division and some playoff games now you and your posse can jump off a steep ledge. As long as he helps us get that done…………..period
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
580.aig-raiders Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
why dont you crunch the effin numbers and then come back in here to see if I was reaching or not. I dare you!
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NFL.com says he lost 1 fumble all year, and that was week 1.
So the point of your fum/per pass attempt is?
There were SEVEN games where JC didn’t have a INT or a lost fumble.
JC had 4 of his INTs in games we won.
RIDICULOUS stat I say!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:27 pm
priesttj Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Yeah that’s probably why 3 HC’s have settled on him as a starter
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Yeah, and two of them have lost their jobs for it.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:27 pm
RR,
we already answered you, giving you 3 possible QBs. Palmer makes it 4.
Or you trade for a guy like Matt Flynn, who’s already shown more skill than JC.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Nopassingzone,
Thank you. I get sick of the excuses the JC fan club continues to come up for him. Have a good nite.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Alex you keep mentioning Tenn and St. Louis, our first six quarters, hell we had Yamon Figurs as one of our WRs back then (I dred remembering his first KO return attempt- even though we knew), Mario as our starting LT, brand new OC, we lost our best WR in Chaz, we flipped our WLB to RDE, we couldn’t decide who our 53rd player was going to be… I could think of some more, but my brain is …. mmmm… brains
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Ford and McFadden took us to the promise land of 8-8. Campbell takes us to the promise land of 5-11 without them.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Oh nooooo! Jason passed to Darren, what a horrible play!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Hill,
here are JC’s numbers against the Titans, 49ers, Steelers, Rams, and Colts
2 TDs, 5 INT, lousy 5 yard per completion (captain checkdown!)
4 losses, and one backup QB save.
That’s what he does annually against pressure Ds.
He’s not going to miraculously improve against the Jets, Patriots, Bears, Packers, and Vikings next year.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Better HC = Playoffs this season
Better QB = Playoffs this season
Unfortunately I don’t see better replacements for either on the horizon. This is a shame because we have ONE HELL OF A TALENTED TEAM! But in today’s NFL you only have a small window of time when you’ve managed to collect the talent. The clock is ticking… and I hope we don’t go into next season without an upgrade at at least one of these positions.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 pm
He passed to Reece, thats even worse!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Would ya’ll please quit dissin on me? stop it. I can’t handle that kind of dissin.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Gads now Zach!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
You’re wasting time about one run play JC didn’t audible out of despite having like 9 in the box and 3 in the gap it’s going to.
It’s ok 3 points in an entire half, after an abysmal week in Tennessee.
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First of all, who said it was ok?
The point was did we win the game b/c of a QB switch. JC “led us” to 0 pts in the first half against the Chiefs at hm, right? Did we win that game without a QB switch?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Next thing you know he, will settle for passing to Bush over Higgins or Murphy
wtf…what do you mean I’m posting too quickly upgrade your blog Jerry!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:33 pm
RR,
yes, our situation wasn’t perfect against the Titans.
That seems to be the best argument for Campbell, that if we make EVERYTHING PERFECT for him, maybe he’ll be good.
Meanwhile, other QBs in the league are throwing to college QBs turned WRs, 2nd string TEs, undrafted rookies, and getting it done.
It’s never perfect.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Hey dumbell that’s why you have teammates it’s a team game. I guess T Brady could get it done with out his Oline huh??
This is the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard they actually blame the guy for having good teammates. I gues Stabler didn’t Biletnikof and Branch and that line and the TE and that defense.
This is ridiculous Jhill I have never heard anything as stupid as this.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
# olinesux Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
man to man made cassell look stupid today….
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Man defense won 8 games this year…Would have won 9 if Janikowski makes a chip shot…would have won 10 if Campbell played well in SF, 11 if the o-line showed up against Miami…
Get my point! Man defense can be dominant and win this division if the coaches make the right calls and the players make the right plays…Bottom line.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Raiders just got Dan Marino to come out of retirement.
oops sorry that was Daryle Lamonica
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Motto for 2011…’Fix the O-line Win the Division’…
It hasn’t changed. Get smart, physical, consistent O-linemen who can pass protect and and run block, along with a quality #1 go to receiver, and we go to the divisional playoff game, easily.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:38 pm
ArmChair,
maybe you missed Chad Henne owning our man defense in the Dolphins game. Or Walter McFadden being abused for 8 catches and 120 yards against.
Or that Marshall used more zone this year than I’ve seen in since Willie Shaw ran our D 12 years ago.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Raiders man to Man defense can dominate a game when you have run-stuffing LBs
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:40 pm
ArmChair,
maybe you also missed JC holding the ball too long for 6 years in his career while being blocked for by Pro-Bowlers Chris Samuels and Pete Kendall.
The rest of the league didn’t miss that though.
No one wanted to give up a 3rd rounder for him in his prime. Weird, no?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:40 pm
See how dumb this kid is ArmChair he selects a rookie who made his first start to make a point.
They want JC to win games and beat good football team sby himself with smoke and mirrors I guess??lol
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Palmer has had Benson rush for a 1000 yds two seasons in a row, quality wrs (on the field anyway) and has digressed.
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raiders running game #2 in the league cincys # 26 roughly, Palmer with the # 2 runnin game um that would be difference. Owens ya good yr but Chad ocho awfull yr,
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:42 pm
RR,
that’s the problem with man-to-man,
you need like 11 top talents on D to make it worthwhile.
Meanwhile, the Colts D kicks our butt with a bunch of nobody LBs and CBs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:42 pm
McClain needs to take that next step next season,
Wimbley needs to have more multiple sacks like this KC game
Shaughnessy needs to get healthy
Raiders might need to consider moving Houston to the inside, especially if we lose Seymour.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:42 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Nopassingzone the truth is I couldn’t care lesss what they say he starts wether they like it or not. We won more games this season with him satrting than we have in 7 years if he gets better he can win this division and some playoff games now you and your posse can jump off a steep ledge. As long as he helps us get that done…………..period
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We won more game this year because of:
A.) DMAC & Bush
B.) Improved O-Line Play
C.) Imroved D-Line play
D.) Jacoby Ford
E.) Better Talent / Incredible Draft
Yes he was on the bus, but make no mistake: we won more games this year despite the play of Jason Campbell, not because of it. You might as well say we won more game this year because DHB was on the team.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:42 pm
You came back with this schytt about you can’t view videos from nfl.com.
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LOL!
If I watch the actual game and you’re watching NFL.com, what difference does it make if we are both looking at the same play?
See the dumb stuff you try and hang your hat on?
Didn’t your NFL.com video show Ford running a crossing route to the sideline? Didn’t JC throw off of his back foot since BOTH OTs got beat by the DE’s, lol?
How about this from Jerry’s post???
Here was Campbell’s explanation of the final drive against Jacksonville, which ended with a short completion to Jacoby Ford as time expired.
“I think we just ran out of time,’’ Campbell said. “The third down play, we were trying to get a call in and had to switch it really quick to try and get the first (down).
“We were trying to get a play where we could try and get a double move and get into the end zone. But things happen and we had to take a time out. Then on the last play, we were trying to get Jacoby to where he could catch the ball and go out of bounds. But I was throwing off my back foot so I really couldn’t get into what I wanted.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:43 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:38 pm
ArmChair,
maybe you missed Chad Henne owning our man defense in the Dolphins game. Or Walter McFadden being abused for 8 catches and 120 yards against.
Or that Marshall used more zone this year than I’ve seen in since Willie Shaw ran our D 12 years ago.
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Maybe you missed New England getting blown out by Cleveland..Or San Diego getting spanked by Cincy…The other team gets paid too.
Or maybe you missed the fact that we could have won 11 games this season easily with our man defense.
Or furthermore maybe you missed the fact that the time that our defense gave up the BIGGEST plays was when Marshall abandoned man defense and went to zone coverages…
You seemed to have overlooked that fact.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Hey Priestt, let’s give JC some talent ok?
I’ll give him Clinton Portis in his prime, Joe Bugel coaching Pro Bowlers on the O-line, Joe Gibbs as his Hall of Fame coach,
Pro Bowl Santana Moss as his legit #1 receiver, Chris Cooley as his stud TE…
AND a top-10 defense 3 out of 4 years.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
167.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:02 pm
The Chiefs know they’re not a Super Bowl team. They haven’t played that well this year and they’re in the playoffs. I don’t care what seeding was at stake for them, they played today like the game meant nothing, because it really didn’t. They can’t believe they’re in. They can’t believe the Raiders made it this easy on them by choking against Miami and Jacksonville. I can, though.
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BULLS…T Ifd this game meant so little to KC then why in the he** would they play Cassell virtually THE WHOLE GAME? Or Jamall Charles? Because IT MEANT SOMETHING TO THEM. Cassell was sacked numerous times and hit hard on a few others so why would they keep him in there if it didn’t mean anything? Wouldn’t it make more sense to sit those players and avoid injury so they can be fresh for the games that DO matter? No, they wanted to win that game just for the sake of beating the Raiders, which they did not, a fact that means alot to alot of the fans who are REALLY fans.
KC had a reason to win as far as their seed goes for the playoffs.
To a real Raider fan, it ALWAYS means something to beat the Chiefs PERIOD. I realize that’s something you wouldn’t understand.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
And Campbell will spit out
a career losing record,
3 benchings,
and rooting on Todd Collins (what?) in the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
that Miami game we got out coached out played out hustled
that was without a doubt our worst game
Pitt yes, but that was Pitt; even SF was going to win eventually
the Miami game Raiders should have won at home by 3 TDS
Raiders were not prepared
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:46 pm
Hey Priestt,, let’s give JC some talent ok?
I’ll give him Clinton Portis in his prime, Joe Bugel coaching Pro Bowlers on the O-line, Joe Gibbs as his Hall of Fame coach,
Pro Bowl Santana Moss as his legit #1 receiver, Chris Cooley as his stud TE…
AND a top-10 defense 3 out of 4 years.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:46 pm
And Campbell will spit out
a career losing record,
3 benchings,
and rooting on Todd Collins (what?) in the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Johnny, relax. I’m sorry, but this was a week off to the Chiefs. Today’s game was an exhibition.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:47 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:40 pm
See how dumb this kid is ArmChair he selects a rookie who made his first start to make a point.
They want JC to win games and beat good football team sby himself with smoke and mirrors I guess??lol
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You can’t reason with these guys Priest.
I think it is completely disingenuous to blame Campbell as the primary reason for our losses but discount him when we win.. What kind of logic is that?????
If his wind were as a result of a team effort then obviously the losses were as well. But these guys with their own agendas can’t see that…
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:47 pm
whoops, double post.
Armchair,
would’ve, could’ve. The story of Davis and Campbell the last 5 years.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
Armchair,
would love you to read post 639 and explain it.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
If his wind were as a result of a team effort then obviously the losses were as well. But these guys with their own agendas can’t see that…
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Hahaha. Obviously meant to say WINS not WIND,lol.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
All in all, it was a good year of Raider football. Before the season I predicted 8-8 or possibly 10-6 if we played well in our division. We lost a couple games we should have won and showed today we are the best team in the AFC West. I would love to see things stay exactly as they are and add some more pieces. We are a really young team. Let Cable stay, keep Hue around(Asst. Head Coach title if need be), and lets roll the diceagain in 2011. If the defense played better, we are a playoff team no question. Offensively we got it done. JC can come back, draft a young guy, Grads is going to have to accept a back up roll or bring in another and lets go!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:49 pm
I just proved you dont know wtf you’re talking about.
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I love how you gloss yourself, lol!
You haven’t proven a thing but your love for Gardowski.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Armchair,
let’s give Campbell ALL the credit, ok? I’ll let us do that.
So, giving him ALL the credit for EVERYTHING, he got benched twice, his team went 8-8 vs cupcake schedule, he has a career losing record, choked against each playoff team we faced outside the weak Chiefs, put up a lousy 13/8 TD to INT ratio, mismanaged the end of the Jax game…
what do you like again?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:51 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
Armchair,
would love you to read post 639 and explain it.
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Yeah my answer to that would be consistency… Did Campbell have a 7-4 record with Washington?
Campbell finally caught his groove with the Raiders. Give him another season in the same season, with the same coaches and scheme, a quality o-line and a quality receiver and then ask that question again…
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Or furthermore maybe you missed the fact that the time that our defense gave up the BIGGEST plays was when Marshall abandoned man defense and went to zone coverages…
Armchair, I agree
Raiders need to just play man to man for 60 minutes, do what we do best, I would like to see us blitz with our LBs a little more often though
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Hey stupid a lot of QB’s have a ton of talent around them and haven’t won. Aaron Rodgers hasn’t won a thing and he has great talent. The kid is still young Rodgers and he are in the same class lets see which one gets to the bowl first.
He doesn’t play football by himself if the team is good enough to win they’ll win I don’t see what so bad about this kid that you have to rag on him day after day. What did he still your girl. So what he’s not a great QB he can still play well enough to win. What’s the damn argument about??
Campbell is better than what we’ve had in recent years and we are finally on the upswing why bash this kid?? He’s a decent player no more no less OK!! get over it!!!
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:54 pm
something is wrong when you loose 23 games in a row when giving up 30 or more points a game…how many just this year…4 more?? we need some kind of change…
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Hill,
here are JC’s numbers against the Titans, 49ers, Steelers, Rams, and Colts
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So what Alex????
You want to talk about 1 player instead of the whole team.
We won the Rams game so what does it matter?
Our defense gives up a 3rd and 19 PI against the Colts that leads to a TD right before, but that’s ok?
NO ONE is saying JC is this great QB. Not ONE person!
So what’s the point??!!??
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Preist, did you just claim that Campbell will win a Super Bowl before Aaron Rodgers?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:55 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Armchair,
let’s give Campbell ALL the credit, ok? I’ll let us do that.
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Alex you’re not being reasonable. You’re dealing in absolutes.
No one said to give Campbell ALL THE CREDIT. That’s you twisting things to fit your agenda.
Campbell deserves blame for the mistakes he made, but he also deserves credit for the games he played well. If the QB is the leader of the offense and the one ultimately responsible…Well then his record is 7 wins and 4 losses. It’s called a winning record.
Now to watch you try to take his wins away and attribute them to others, while at the same time attributing his losses only to him, makes you sound completely devoid of credibility.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:55 pm
I guess if you don’t count 11-win seasons and making the playoffs your 2nd year starting, then yes, Aaron Rodgers hasn’t won anything.
Wow.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:55 pm
I think it is completely disingenuous to blame Campbell as the primary reason for our losses but discount him when we win.. What kind of logic is that?????
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It’s very logical if the fact bare it to be true – which they do! Just look at the facts! Seriously!
Go back and look at our wins individually and identify the top 2 reasons we won for each of them. Look at our losses and identify the top 2 reasons we lost. You’ll find that Campbell rarely if ever would be a reason we won, BUT his poor play was a factor in most of the games we lost.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:56 pm
actually 5 more……
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Armchair, if you want to give him credit for the wins against Denver where we ran for a combined 500 yards, then ok.
But, how can you ignore the games he was sitting on the bench, as a benched starter?
That doesn’t count against him? Kinda odd.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Raiders need to resign Mr.Huff, after grooming him I would hate for him to have pro-bowl seasons playing for other teams.
Raiders need to resign Mr. Bush, although he will get a starters runningback contract from a lot of teams, so he will cost Al some $$$
Raiders need to resign Mr. Seymour, give him at least a two year with 3rd yr option, we need him in camp early.
Raiders need to sign Mr. Z. Miller one the best TEs in the game.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Campbell is decent, not great, and our record is the same. If Campbell can improve, then I’m all for keeping him. What evidence do we have that says he will improve? I like him as a person. He seems like a cool guy. He just doesn’t win games.
For the Campbell apologists out there, let me make this clear: I hope you’re right. I want this team to succeed and Campbell is our QB. None of our whining or championing makes any difference. Just understand that the numbers don’t warrant thinking Campbell is a great QB. He’s just okay. If you’re happy with just okay, then I know where you’re coming from. I’d rather have him over Russell, but I’d rather have a QB who leads with authority and makes plays in big games against good teams.
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:58 pm
People need to enjoy Raider wins just for the sake of a Raider win. I remember when Raiders were 2-14 and they beat Pittsburgh when Chris Carr ran back an int. to seal the game and I enjoyed the heck out of that game. It had zero playoff implications but it was a win for a wins sake.
Sue me if I get some enjoyment out of it. If they don’t matter then why even play the games?
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:59 pm
Armchair,
I’ll just keep it simple.
What reasoning do you use in saying that Campbell will improve next year? He’ll be 30.
Can you please show me ONE, JUST ONE, qb who started 5 seasons in a row, sucked, then became good in season 6?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 am
No doubt, Johnny. People need to learn to enjoy Raider wins just for what they are, and to buy season tickets, no matter what.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 am
Aaron had great coaching and played behind Rex, er uhm Palmer, or was it Jeff George for a few years…
Apples and beef jerky
talk about a stretch
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
Armchair,
I’ve presented this challenge to the posters here, and it’s never been shown.
No QB was a career loser, below average/average for 5 starting years, then turned it on year 6.
It just doesn’t happen.
A QB shows you who he is by the time he’s started 70 games.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
MR can you read fool I said lets see who gets there first if it’s Rodgers I’m glad for him he’s had much better opportunity than JC he’s been in the same system 6 years JC’s been in at least 4 i think Rodgers is a great player much beter than JC but that doesn’t mean he’ll win one before him .
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
How sad is it that if we’d just kept Kerry Collins we’d have a better starting QB than what we do now?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
#663 Jim Plunkett, weren’t you listening to AL before the season began
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 am
That’s why I asked, preist. I couldn’t discern your point, so I was asking. Are you even remotely suggesting that Jason Campbell will get to the Super Bowl before Aaron Rodgers?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 am
RR,
Campbell had a hall of fame coach, played behind Mark Brunell, yada, yada. He can’t play well. Bottom line.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 am
668
NOT!
and Kerry had Moss in his Prime!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 am
lol RR,
let’s stick to the modern era of football, if that’s not too much to ask.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 am
He did have Gibbs, and Zorn and how many OCs?
a new one each season including this one
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 am
I thought you would get a laugh out of that one Alex
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 am
Boy Orthodoxdj. none of the rest of us want a great QB just you……….lol freakin lunatic
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 am
Collins is better than Campbell, Moss or no Moss. And if we’re going to play that game, Campbell has McFadden and Ford.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 am
Kerry never had a #2 rush attack, or a top 15 D.
Actually, he did in NY. Kinda went to the Super Bowl I think.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am
BUT his poor play was a factor in most of the games we lost.
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Half of the games we lost Gardowski started, lol!
We scored over 30 pts against the Jags and lost. He passed for 300 yds that day, lol.
Scored 24 pts againt Indy and lost.
He had a few bad games this year. So what? He’s an average QB. That’s what avg QBs do.
What about the rest of the team in those games?
Dropped passes, stuffed runs, bad defense matter to you guys?
Or is it that you expect that crap and just want a QB who can overcome all the other brain farts this team has?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am
# alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:59 pm
Armchair,
I’ll just keep it simple.
Can you please show me ONE, JUST ONE, qb who started 5 seasons in a row, sucked, then became good in season 6?
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Jim Plunkett.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am
RR,
here’s a good way to not get your QB and OC fired.
Be a good QB.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 am
8-8. Much better than 2003-2009. We could’ve gotten into the playoffs, but hey, it was a MUCH better year. It’s football. It’s not the meaning of life.
My picks for the Superbowl: Green Bay vs New England
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:08 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
How sad is it that if we’d just kept Kerry Collins we’d have a better starting QB than what we do now?
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Oh yeah, Kerry Collins really showed that last weekend against the same Chiefs team that we spanked today right?..
Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous with each passing minute..
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:08 am
Jim Plunkett didn’t start 5 seasons in a row.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:09 am
Campbell is not garbage but he is not a good qb in this league stats are no stats. Just watch him when he plays you don’t need stats to see that he is not a NFL caliber qb. He should just be part of the practice squad to get real qb’s a rest at practice. He should also be used to teach the rookie qb’s comming in the league how not to play and what the career of a not so good qb looks like. And those are my parting words. Nation keep the heads up high twas a good yr for us.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:09 am
Armchair,
again, could we stick to modern football? lol, you know the last 30 years now that we have everyone lifting weights, and blacks aren’t discriminated in the draft, that kind of thing
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 am
Collins is still better than Campbell.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 am
This is a stupid argument You need as many great players as possible but miracles are very difficult so you have to play with the players you have. Unless someone can clone Brady what’s the argument about???
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 am
Mcclain,
you would think it would be easy to see, right?
Who trades a worthwhile QB in his PRIME years for a FUTURE 4th rounder?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:12 am
The argument, Priestt,
is that once you know a QB isn’t the answer, a good team should try at ALL COSTS to move on to a better option ASAP,
being that QB is the most important position on the team.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:13 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 am
Collins is still better than Campbell.
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Again, we’re talking about the same Kerry Collins that got completely embarrassed last weekend against these same Chiefs…
And he had the nerve to post this same fools name twice to try and prove some kind of point. It’s beyond pathetic.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:13 am
ArmChair: No response? Please tell me how many games we won where the play of Jason Campbell was the either the #1 or #2 reason we won?
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# NoPassingZone Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:55 pm
I think it is completely disingenuous to blame Campbell as the primary reason for our losses but discount him when we win.. What kind of logic is that?????
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It’s very logical if the fact bare it to be true – which they do! Just look at the facts! Seriously!
Go back and look at our wins individually and identify the top 2 reasons we won for each of them. Look at our losses and identify the top 2 reasons we lost. You’ll find that Campbell rarely if ever would be a reason we won, BUT his poor play was a factor in most of the games we lost.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:14 am
Players we should definately trade:
Mario Henderson, experienced O-Lineman are a commodity, we should be able to get a 5th or sixth or use him to move up within a round
One of 3 (and only one):
Branch, Johnson, or Routt- we need the continuity of our DBs, yet we could get a high middle round pick late 2nd or 3rd- Branch would be a beast on STs and as a nickel back.
Murphy or DHB, we need to make room for a veteran WR and we will probably draft another WR (although I think the writing is on the wall for Higgins and Nick). So if the deal isn’t great keep all four: Ford, Murhy, Schilens, and DHB.
Trade T. Howard or R. Brown and even one our rookie DBs we drafted late: Brown, Ware, or McFadden as long as it is an upgrade.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:16 am
Armchair, I never said Collins was perfect. He’s human. He has bad games. He’s still better than Campbell.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:16 am
Collins WaS better than Campbell IS.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:16 am
So WAS Delhomme
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:17 am
RR,
I’ll be real with you.
No team would give higher than a 6th round pick for a nickel back. Our tackle-leading MLBer only fetched us a 5th?
No one would trade for Murphy or DHB at all. Ugly contract for DHB. Murphy, you can get unrestricted free agents after the draft to do what Murphy does.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:17 am
ArmChair that guy’s name is pathetic his thoughts are pathetic conversing with him is like…….well pathetic.
These guys hate JC and they want us to hate the kid to because we don’t join in their ignorance they get mad. JC is a very decent QB he is a average QB in this league no more no less. He has a chance to get a lot better with same sysetm and cast wether they want to admit it or not the kid can play at this level………period
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:18 am
# NoPassingZone Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:13 am
Go back and look at our wins individually and identify the top 2 reasons we won for each of them. Look at our losses and identify the top 2 reasons we lost. You’ll find that Campbell rarely if ever would be a reason we won, BUT his poor play was a factor in most of the games we lost.
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This might be the most uneducated post of the day..
So we lost against Jacksonville because of Campbell right?????
Like I said, it’s beyond pathetic. Campbells the QB, get over it, accept it, and root for the Silver and Black. Or else move on and root for a new team.
This topic is tired now…
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:18 am
Collins IS better than Campbell, present tense. It’s sad, but if we’d kept Collins, our QB situation would be better. It’s not supposed to be that way.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:18 am
and Leftwhich, and Kitna, and …
although I wouldn’t mind having Kitna on our team
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:18 am
Jim Plunkett did start for the tuck rulers for 5 seasons and then the whiners for 2 before joining the Raiders……..
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:19 am
priest, no doubt Campbell is a candidate for this years Decent and Average award.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:20 am
AC topic is beyond tired… and for all we know
Al is trying to negotiate a backdoor trade for…
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:22 am
Here’s a much more poignant question…..
Where has that d-line that played today been all season long???
And what will it take to get that kind of inspiring, dominating performance, week in and week out?
Where was that d-line last week against Indy? Against Pittsburgh?
What is it gonna take to get our d-line to play like that every week, despite not having Seymour out there?
That’s the question of the year in my opinion. I hope somebody asks Cable that tomorrow at the press conference…
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:22 am
NoPassingZone,
your argument is valid.
Most of the games we won, we ran for over 200 yards, and JC’s job was to hand the ball and throw a few dump offs.
The games we lost, the score was tight for a while, our QB play sucked. Our D played well in SF. Our rush game was on in Tenn. Against the Steelers, our QB was benched. Against the Cardinals and Texans, Campbell stayed benched.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:23 am
You know I did hear Kurt Warner talk (off the wall comments no doubt) about coming out of retiremnet on NFL network more than once this season, but he did say it on more than occasion.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:23 am
# RaiderRetribution Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:20 am
AC topic is beyond tired… and for all we know
Al is trying to negotiate a backdoor trade for…
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Michael Vick! hahahaha. It’s ok to dream,lol
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:23 am
Armchair,
the main difference is playing with a lead.
When we’re down, the other team rams it down our throat and wears our D-line out.
When we’re up (rare against good teams), the D-line can just fire out and get to the QB.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:23 am
is that once you know a QB isn’t the answer, a good team should try at ALL COSTS to move on to a better option ASAP,
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Like we’ve all been asking …
LIKE WHO ?????
And what does AT ALL COSTS mean?
Trade DMac and Nnamdi?
For WHO ?????
Carson Palmer?
McNabb????
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:24 am
Carson Palmer will be in the Raiders training camp when it starts………
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:24 am
# alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:23 am
Armchair,
the main difference is playing with a lead.
When we’re down, the other team rams it down our throat and wears our D-line out.
When we’re up (rare against good teams), the D-line can just fire out and get to the QB.
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Not true. We were down 3-0 in this game. Again your posts prove false…
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:25 am
RR,
Carson Palmer reminds me of Warner.
Former stud, having a rough year, people say he’s done.
Just like Warner in NY.
Give Palmer our rush attack, and I guarantee you he does better than 13/8 tds to int, and wins more than 8 games in this weak division.
Look what he did against the Chargers last week.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:26 am
my ‘new years resolution is to stop feeding the trolls..
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:26 am
lol, 3-0 after 5 minutes?
Did you look at the game at that point and go..
WOW, OUR D-LINE SURE IS DOMINATING AFTER 5 MINUTES!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 am
This one idiot said Campbell was a fraud and would prove it and he’s still wiping egg off his face.
Campbell has solidified the starting QB position it’s his next year no questions asked. Even if we draft a kid it’ll be tough to unseat him. But some people have a problem admitting that. They want to cast aspertions and assert a bunch of crap that doesn’t matter . They don’t want to give him any credit whatsoever for any wins just loses. It’s so ignorant a viewpoint it’s not worth debating. ANY COACH WORTH HIS SALT WOULD LAUGH HIS ASS OFF AT THAT CRITICISM.
You guys need to get over yourselves……….period
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 am
Army we do have more pressing needs,
LB run-stopping starter and depth, OL starter at least one spot,(two if we lose Gallery), veteran WR, resigning or replacement of Bush, DE especially if Shaughnessy’s injury is serious (double that if we lose Seymour and we move Houston to the inside).
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:28 am
My new years resolution is to never again give Al Davis the benefit of the doubt, ever, under any circumstance. When we beat KC earlier in the year, I thought we were for real. 10-6, division champions. Never again. I don’t care if we come out 8-0 next year, I’m convinced we’ll lose the rest of our games if Al Davis is still remotely involved. That’s my new years resolution.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:29 am
Hill,
how many times do you want the list?
if you stay rational, Palmer and Orton are sure-fire upgrades.
Drew Stanton is the perfect young pup stuck behind a stud.
There’s 3, and we haven’t looked at anyone who gets cut in the summer.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:30 am
Kerry Collins would be an upgrade.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:30 am
Period Priestt! Period!!
lol, getting benched twice on an 8-8 team doesn’t sound like SOLIDIFYING a position.
Struggling again against the Colts after doing the same 4 of his first 8 starts, doesn’t sound that solidifying.
The HC final press-conference saying the MAIN thing that needs to change is limit the turnovers, does not SOLIDIFY the position.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:33 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:25 am
RR,
Carson Palmer reminds me of Warner.
Former stud, having a rough year, people say he’s done.
Just like Warner in NY.
Give Palmer our rush attack, and I guarantee you he does better than 13/8 tds to int, and wins more than 8 games in this weak division.
Look what he did against the Chargers last week.
Californian, I believe…playing for the bungles and their dysfunctions he had 25 td passes……Man……..It’s going to be great!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:34 am
NoPassingZone Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Alex7 & AIG present logical arguments explaining why Campbell is a poor QB. They back up their arguments with stats, examples, and facts. Campbell’s own play supports their argument.
The Campbell supporters refuse to address these facts and instead put forth an emotional arguments. We should all agree than Campbell is a good QB because they “like this kid”. It’s all based on talent that they just know is hiding in the 70+ game starter, but has yet to show itself. Apparently they can see this untapped talent and those of us who rate him on what we see on the field are just blind fools. It’s ridiculous and childish way to debate.
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This post is complete bullschitt!! I refuse to address stats because stats are for geeks! I ripped JC when we traded for him because I think we gave up on a great talent in JR too quickly. But I based a lot of my dislike for JC on his W-L record in Washington and pedestrian stats without really having watched him play. Big mistake! The guy is a hell of a lot better than I gave him credit for. I didn’t think he had games like the 1st SD and KC games in him. We don’t win either of those games without him. I’d rather watch the games than rely on stats quoted by a bunch of geeks. By the way, who was the “statistically” superior QB two weeks ago when we played the Colts? Who was the more effective QB in that game? See the difference? STATS ARE FOR GEEKS !!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:36 am
stats are for geeks, lol.
what is this, 1940 without computers, and videos, to actually SEE and PROVE what a player does?
What did you like about his games in San Diego and KC?
Let me guess, his voice? No, no, probably his…passes! Stats!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:38 am
If you want to ignore his games against STL, Tenn, Pitt, SF, and Indy,
that’s your choice. But that’s 5 horrendous outings and 2 benchings from your “starting” QB.
And that’s with an easy schedule.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:38 am
if you stay rational, Palmer and Orton are sure-fire upgrades.
Drew Stanton is the perfect young pup stuck behind a stud.
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First of all, Palmer is not a FA this offseason, so why do you keep bringing him up? You expect Cicny to cut him? Do teams really cut elite QBs?
Orton is under contract with Denver next year. He’s hurt now, and I’ve seen nothing that says Tebow will beat him out. And if Tebow does beat him out, he is not better than Campbell to me. Tebow is terrible.
Drew Stanton ???? Seriously???? Det’s young “stud” plays 5 games a year. If Stanton is the guy you think he is, Det isn’t letting him go.
Not impressed with your list at all.
If Palmer becomes available, sure give him a look and HOPE he turns his career around, lol.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:40 am
sad thing is #77 shaughnessy? has ligament issues in his knee…damn!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:40 am
for what it’s worth,
Manning threw 3 TDs in that game. You seem to be hinting that JC outplayed him or something loony like that.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:40 am
And why hasn’t Orton or Palmer lifted the play of the guys around them?
If they couldn’t do it with the teams they are on now, what makes you think they will do it when they get here?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:41 am
Palmer in a new season on a new team with a new HC and OC for Campbell with the same OC is a wash as it would be with about 20 other qbs in this league.
Brady, Peyton, Aaron, Ryan, Brees, Sanchez, Bradford, Rivers, Rothlisberger, Flacco, Schaub, Cassel, Freeman, are NOT going to be available
as for the 90% majority of the rest I don’t really care
if we don’t trade for Kolb, or sign Vick via free agency (CBA withstanding), it’s a mute point either way
we have just as much chance of getting Luck or Tebow as we do the above mentioned,
so why the hell are we still talking about who our starting QB is going to be
it won’t make that much of a difference, that just goes to show you how bad that QB we drafted #1 overall set this team back!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:42 am
JHill,
fortunately the NFL allows trades, and those guys are likely available for something Oakland can afford.
All 3 of those guys are worth more to 31 other NFL teams than Jason Campbell.
If you want to blame Stanton for being stuck behind some Matthew Stafford, that’s ok.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:44 am
he had 25 td passes
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He won’t have that playing for the Raiders, lol.
Are we going to junk the run game once Palmer get here? Are we junking DHB and Murphy?
I can’t envision many games where a Raider QB will have more than 2 TDs a game. Sometimes 1 or none due to our running game and issues at WR.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:46 am
Alex,
You KNOW NFL teams do not make good QBs available. Isn’t that your argument against Campbell?
I’d be curious what you think we should trade for Palmer?
Orton????
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:46 am
RR,
good QBs don’t always need some made-up 2 year “break-in” period with a new team.
Warner didn’t need that in AZ.
Brees didn’t need that in NO.
Gannon didn’t need it here.
Schaub didn’t need it in Texas.
Favre never needed it.
Collins threw for his usual 3,400/20 TDs his first year here.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:48 am
Palmer will be a Raider in 2011…Turn his career around???????? Wow!!! I would take his 25 td’s against anything in the last 8 years…..that wuld be some turn around………
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:48 am
“stats are for geeks”
Well, Bob Marley and Just Fire Baby wouldn’t appreciate that.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:49 am
Hill,
teams don’t make good starting QBs in their prime available.
Sometimes, though, guys get stuck behind someone else, and are available despite having talent.
Palmer would probably cost a 2nd or 3rd.
Orton probably a 4th.
Stanton probably a 4th or 5th (was drafted in the 2nd just 3 years ago).
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 am
It’s always nice to upgrade the level of talent that we have, but JC is a good QB. He is an avg- good NFL QB.
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JC is a very decent QB he is a average QB in this league no more no less
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two seperate quotes from two different supporters of Campbell above, I’m confused guys wich one I mean four is he
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 am
HIS 25 TD’S WOULD HELP OFFSET THE 29 WE GAVE UP ON D………this year….
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 am
Pitt and Indy were our two toughest games
Tenn was a good team before the Fisher Young rematch
Raiders have historically had difficult games against teams with premier RBs, Payton, LT, CJ, that Tenn game was all on the coaching staff starting with starting Figurs on KOR,
SF, was a bad loss, but make no mistake SF underachieved worse than the Raiders did, they were our clone each had a top tier RB, running game, 2-3 premier defenders theirs a MLB and DL, ours a CB and DL, great TE, both with weak WRS and inconsistent QB play, one play on ST, Def, or Off Raiders win the game, team didn’;t make the play we lost.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 am
Kolb is risky.
Eagles likely to keep him since Vick gets hurt alot.
Or they’d demand a 1st rounder,
even though Kolb struggled with one of the most talented offenses this year.
Risky.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 am
Which game should I look at to see this Drew Stanton potential?
Did you go to Mich State or something?
You like his 10/22 2int performance against GB?
16/24 178 yds against the Bears?
Or is the one decent game against TB?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 am
RR,
I think the best way to beat those top-RB teams is to have a top QB/offense that can jump out to a lead and build on it.
Like our Gannon-led 2002 top “defense” that went south one year later.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 am
Alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:36 am
stats are for geeks, lol.
what is this, 1940 without computers, and videos, to actually SEE and PROVE what a player does?
What did you like about his games in San Diego and KC?
Let me guess, his voice? No, no, probably his…passes! Stats!
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Football is not a “stats” game. There are too many things that happen in games that stats don’t capture. In the SD game, we were down by nine points and it looked like the rout was on. Then JC engineers two long, time-consuming TD drives and our defense closes it out by getting after Rivers. No doubt the time spent on the bench during those long scoring drives gave the D time to regroup and come on strong at the end. The stats won’t tell that strory. And the KC game was the kind of victory that a lot of you guys said JC couldn’t deliver before the game. I couldn’t even tell you his stats, but the guy answered a score by KC after that bogus fumble call with a gritty 2-minute drive to get us to overtime, then delivered the dagger to JFord to set up the winning FG. Who gives a damn about the stats??? Stats are for geeks and fantasy football players. Schit, fantasy football players are geeks!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:53 am
give up a 2nd or even a 3rd for Palmer
ABSOLUTELY NOT
Orton will probably be a FA anyway
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:53 am
campbell is the quarter back of this team, and that isn’t going to change anytime soon. he did not have a great season, but i see him growing in this system every game.
he is the best qb we have had in years. the raiders have scored more this season than the previous two. i can live with that.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:54 am
Hill,
Stanton, as I said, would be the ideal young guy you bring in to groom for a year. Not going to happen in Detroit.
That line against the Bears I would bet good money will be better than what JC does there next year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:55 am
Orton probably a 4th.
Stanton probably a 4th or 5th (was drafted in the 2nd just 3 years ago).
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About the same value as Campbell you say, eh?
Not much of an upgrade.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:55 am
Dont diss on me any more. stop it please. Diss on somebody else. I do my job ok, quit dissin on me. Leave me alone. Diss on somebody else. quit it. If you keep dissin on me, I will not like it.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:55 am
R8rwill,
of course you see him growing. That’s fan talk.
He’s started about 70 games in his career now. No one in the last 30 years of football has blossomed that late.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:56 am
Hill,
one guy was 28 and in his prime (JC)
those guys are either unproven, younger, or both.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:56 am
R8rwill, you know you’ve got a good QB when you have to use the phrase “that isn’t going to change any time soon” when making a case for him.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:57 am
Alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:40 am
for what it’s worth,
Manning threw 3 TDs in that game. You seem to be hinting that JC outplayed him or something loony like that.
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On the contrary. My point is that from a stat standpoint, JC was better. He had the higher QB rating (the worst stat in the history of sports IMO). But anyone who watched the game saw that Manning was clearly better. Stats are for geeks!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:58 am
RaiderDebo Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 am
Football is not a “stats” game.
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Wow. Bob Marley and Just Fire Baby would be crushed to read that.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:58 am
741 exactly,
so why make a change unless its an upgrade,
I’m not advocating a trade for either Kolb or Vick, but one of those two are going to be the best option available if at all
Raidert still need to upgrade their O-Line, WR & linebacker corps.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:58 am
Ok Alex,
Past my bedtime mayne.
Keep looking for that elite QB to fall in our lap.
I’ll just hope we scrap the BIG Nickle and 5 S formations. And maybe a few less PI calls on 3rd and long.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:59 am
What’s wrong with geeks, Debo? Without geeks do you think you’d have computers, and the internet..and BLOGS?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:59 am
RR,
here’s what we’ve spent 3rd round picks on, ok?
Paul McQuistan, Quentin Moses, Mario Henderson, Andrew Walter, Stuart Schweigert.
I mean, it’s a good risk, no?
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:01 am
Hill, I’m going to bed too.
You don’t need elite to fall in your lap, but you can GO GET an upgrade. That’s the point.
Pretty much every team turnaround that we’ve seen this decade was because of a change in QB, not some new OLB, or D formation.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:01 am
the QB rating is worse than the RPI I would concur, but not as bad as the BCS
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:03 am
Debo,
if you’re dumb enough to look at one stat only (which I know you’re not), then yes, maybe you’d come to that conclusion.
Fortunately, we have more than one available that tells us the whole picture.
Without stats, you just look at guys throw the ball, shut your eyes when it either lands in his receivers hands or the DBs, and then decide if he’s good or not.
Kinda weird.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:03 am
what we really need is a big wr with good hands.. it was good to see schillens catch that perfect spiral. if only he had been healthy..yeah i think anquan boldin would fit! maybe plax. vj would woik, too expensive..
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:04 am
And yet,
10 of 12 playoff teams have a QB with a QB rating above 90 and in the upper 12 of the league. One of the other two is the Seahawks.
Hmm. Nice common factor.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:05 am
I’m glad being a die hard sports fan isn’t for geeks!
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:05 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:01 am
the QB rating is worse than the RPI I would concur, but not as bad as the BCS
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Yeah, that’s a close one.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:05 am
R8er,
remember Boldin saying last year he wanted to go somewhere with a good QB? Fitz will do the same. Owens did the same. VJ will do the same.
Kinda hurts our chances.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:06 am
I would much rather use our 2nd and 3rd to move up to draft Pouncey in the 1st
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:06 am
again, if you don’t want official stats,
you’re watching recess.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:07 am
RR,
what are you combining that 2nd or 3rd rounder with?
Also, tell us what team turned their fortune around with something other than improved QB play?
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:08 am
or draft Wisnewski or Cam/Locker in the 2nd should they last that long
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:10 am
LOL. Wiznewski. My goodness. What is it with Raider fans and nostalgia? At what point do you just wipe the slate clean, hire a GM, and build a Super Bowl team?
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:10 am
we need a rush end. punt returner. depth at te. o-line help. we can get all that in the draft but the big veteran wr..
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:11 am
Alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:03 am
Debo,
if you’re dumb enough to look at one stat only (which I know you’re not), then yes, maybe you’d come to that conclusion.
Fortunately, we have more than one available that tells us the whole picture.
Without stats, you just look at guys throw the ball, shut your eyes when it either lands in his receivers hands or the DBs, and then decide if he’s good or not.
Kinda weird.
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Talking about the Indy game? Not looking at one stat. JC had a higher completion percentage, more yards and zero interceptions vs. two for Manning. A fantasy football player would call that a resounding win for JC. They’ll go to bed at night wondering how the Colts could possibly have won the game. Geeks don’t get football.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:11 am
Locker couldn’t complete 60% of passes in a weak Pac-10 4 years in a row.
Looked horrible vs Nebraska twice.
Struggled against Stanford and Oregon last year (skipped them this year).
Sounds like a Kyle Boller clone.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:12 am
Going 6-0 in the division saved the season and we went out on a high note.
Playoffs next year where we should be competitive, if we would of made the Playoffs it could of ended. Very ugly.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:13 am
Debo,
or, if you know what you’re looking at, you’ll see that Campbell threw twice as many throws as Manning for not that many more yards.
You’ll see he didn’t do squat until the 4th quarter when down 2 scores facing a prevent-type of soft D.
It’s not that hard if you know what you’re looking at.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:14 am
those playoff teams and the few that that missed them by a game are not trading their top tier QB to the Raiders
those 10 of 12 and a few other top quality qbs ARE NOT AVAILABLE to the Raiders
from my #730 :
Brady, Peyton, Aaron, Ryan, Brees, Sanchez, Bradford, Rivers, Rothlisberger, Flacco, Schaub, Cassel, Freeman, are NOT going to be available
as for the 90% majority of the rest [of NFL QBs] I don’t really care
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:15 am
Blood, so close this year, and maybe our best chance in a while.
To think we’ll go 6-0 again next season in our division is a little rosy.
We’ll also likely lose to the Patriots, Jets, Bears, and Packers. Play the Dolphins again, on the east coast where the Raiders never win.
I think next season we’re more likely to be 7-9 if we don’t change QBs.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:16 am
Alex I agree on Locker, but I think other teams in more dire need of a QB, or looking for a future replacement for a Peyton or Aaron will draft him before us anyway.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:18 am
R8R, Rush DE & OL definately,
Raiders could be leaning towards having Ford return all kicks and be our 3rd WR.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:18 am
RR,
Brady was a 5th rounder, Schaub was had for a 2nd rounder, Cassel for a 2nd rounder, Vick for free, Brees was a free agent,
We can get a top QB of our own even without a 1st rounder.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:20 am
I would love for the Raiders to hire a GM or a proven Head Coach, even a college HC, Harbaugh, Stoops (no not that one), the one from Oklahoma
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:22 am
I liked that Missouri kid Blaine Gabbert.
If he declares, I’d trade our 2nd and a future 1st for him.
Gotta take chances to land that franchise-changing QB.
Look at Chicago now.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:22 am
Good night all.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:22 am
Alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:13 am
Debo,
or, if you know what you’re looking at, you’ll see that Campbell threw twice as many throws as Manning for not that many more yards.
You’ll see he didn’t do squat until the 4th quarter when down 2 scores facing a prevent-type of soft D.
It’s not that hard if you know what you’re looking at.
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Dude,
You’re making my point for me. Stats don’t tell you when they’re compiled. That’s just one of the reasons why they’re so misleading. That’s why I form my opinion on watching players play, not stats. Did you see Trent Edwards play for the Jags today? Why the fck would you ever want that clown here???
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:24 am
I don’t like Campbell will you dislike him to please that way I can feel like I’m right. That’s all this argument sounds like it’s childish. Give your opinion and respect others opinions.
I like the kid and I also think he can get much better, not sure how much better but he’s not bad right now so if he say improves 50% that would be tremendous IMO that would be as good as anyone can ask for. I would ay then he’s a great QB.
If we get someone better that is a good thing for everyone so what’s the argument about.
I’m not going to hate on the kid so GET OVER IT!!! and I don’t need you to like him to make me feel better. That’s what good about opinions everyone can have one.
Thanks and goodnight!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:25 am
i don’t think satele is one of our problems. his run blocking is very good, we need a tackle. i do like what we did with barnes. someone said carlyle is retiring, i thought he already did..if b campbell grows into right guard, satele will be fine. we have not had a bad qb/c exchange all year. that leaves walker, henderson barnes..we need a tackle!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:27 am
744.RaiderDebo Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 am
Alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:36 am
stats are for geeks, lol.
what is this, 1940 without computers, and videos, to actually SEE and PROVE what a player does?
What did you like about his games in San Diego and KC?
Let me guess, his voice? No, no, probably his…passes! Stats!
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Football is not a “stats” game. There are too many things that happen in games that stats don’t capture. In the SD game, we were down by nine points and it looked like the rout was on. Then JC engineers two long, time-consuming TD drives and our defense closes it out by getting after Rivers. No doubt the time spent on the bench during those long scoring drives gave the D time to regroup and come on strong at the end. The stats won’t tell that strory. And the KC game was the kind of victory that a lot of you guys said JC couldn’t deliver before the game. I couldn’t even tell you his stats, but the guy answered a score by KC after that bogus fumble call with a gritty 2-minute drive to get us to overtime, then delivered the dagger to JFord to set up the winning FG. Who gives a damn about the stats??? Stats are for geeks and fantasy football players. Schit, fantasy football players are geeks!
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tell em mayne. cant believe people still arguin over this qb sh!t. just pointless until we can find a much better solution.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:30 am
Wait,
those stats are called time of possession, and ummm, we scored points.
And those “answering the score” comments you’re making? Yeah, he drove down the field and put up points. Guess how you measure that.
Come on.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:30 am
#780 yeah, but i worry about using ford up returning kicks, he is such a threat in the passing game! we can find a dependable kick returner in the draft..
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:31 am
it is a great time to be a raiders fan!!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:32 am
Debo,
I’m having a snack before bedtime, so I get like 5 more minutes. lol.
Tell me how you watch a player, but ignore the stats.
You don’t notice if they actually throw completions or interceptions? Or if they actually run for lots of yards, or get stopped for few?
How do you watch something and not see the many stats, and use them to figure out what you saw? Absurd.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:33 am
Armond,
as long as we agree that we should be looking for that upgrade, and making deals necessary to make it happen, then we’re all in the same camp.
If we’re just going to sit here and think Campbell next year facing the Patriots, Jets, Packers, Bears, and Vikings is going to do better than this year against similar tough Ds (Colts, Steelers, 49ers, Titans, Rams)…
then that’s foolish. He isn’t some young up and comer.
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:39 am
Bush Master…
We better keep this guy. Some serious new talent on showcase yesterday. F’in sweet man
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives/exclusives_20
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:40 am
This whole Cable thing is BS. If Davis was gunna fire him he’d have done it during Cable gate with the whole wife beating assisstant punching thing. Makes no snes to do it now that the guys love him and he’s winning.
Then again, its Al’s world
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:12 am
I was just on the Kansas City Star’s blog and apparently it’s all Croyle’s fault.
Lol!
It’s great that they still don’t know what’s going to hit ‘em next year-even though it already hit ‘em twice this year.
I have to say that the organization of this blog, and Jerry Mac are far superior to the KC Star blog.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:12 am
JERRY MAC!
Thanks for some good stuff this year as is often the case.
You wrote a couple of nice pieces.
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:32 am
Before Cable gets too toasted on this blog, ask yourself the question, “what did I expect this year”. I expected and HOPED for 500%. Cable delivered and I am happy.
If you had told me we would go 6-0 in the AFC West I would have laughed. Good job.
Now, we need to understand how we lost to non-AFC West teams. My guess is that we took some of them lightly and didn’t get up for those games.
We know that we are getting burned in a couple of areas.
1) Pass protection
2) Man to man coverage (on the opposite side of #21)
3) Safeties (especially Branch) getting torched.
4) Run D
In an overall perspective our Offense (when we establish the run) is EXPLOSIVE and pretty dominant, but our Defense gets burned when we are on the field too long and make stupid penalties.
Actually our Defense is the SAME OL’ SAME OL’, except for a better pass rush this year.
Seymour and Kelly have been better this year, Wimbley. RoMac, ShoNasty, and Houston have either been upgrades or played better and Huff has played better.
Our D has upgraded much of their performance but overall it has not given huge results. Why?
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:38 am
the above is actually a strange brew……
If we look at all the guys who have been better this year and contributed more we should have more than 8 wins.
Kelly (UP)
Seymour (UP)
Houston (UPGRADE)
HUFF (UP)
SHONASTY (UP)
Rolando Mc (UP)
Mitchell (UP)
Jacoby (UPGRADE)
McFadden (UP)
Campbell (UPGRADE)
Zach Miller (UP)
Bush (UP)
Reese (UPGRADE)
Wembley (UPGRADE)
DHB was actually (UP)Double production.
The OL was also a bit better than last year too.
Kick Returns way (UP).
Why does all that improvement only yield 3 wins.
Maybe Cable should get the boot? HA HA HA. Somebody put this into perspective!!!!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:42 am
I would love to hear your in-depth analysis Raider Nation.
Other guys went down.
Branch (DOWN)
Gallery (DOWN)
CHAZ (DOWN)
CJ (DOWN)
Who else was a downer this year in relation to last?
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:44 am
Quite the battle on here last night.
Like how I fanned the flames like no other with the QB thing this offseason, and quietly escaped out the back door after the season, lol.
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:48 am
Arghhh, back to work…
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:48 am
Who else was a downer this year in relation to last?
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Jon Condo, obviously.
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:48 am
Who else was a downer this year in relation to last?
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JLH and Trevor Scott and Groves was no upgrade at OLB.
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:50 am
I think Groves is underrated.
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:50 am
Myers was unimpressive too. Jano was spotty.
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:52 am
Could probably put Chaz and Lou Murph on the disappointing list.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:01 am
But do you believe that the guys you list were go to guys or borderline scrubs ? JLH and Meyers were not expected to do anything, nor was Groves (I agree with BO that he was better than expected).
Trevor Scott was the only guy that was expected to do anything and Wembley and Houston and Shonasty covered for him.
Jano missed a couple of kicks but scored over 140 points.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:03 am
Murphy had more catches (41) with 2 fewer TD’s. He wasn’t that much of a downer. What were your expectations for him?
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:06 am
I expected Murphy to emerge as a legitimate threat.
If anything he dropped more passes this year than last.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:13 am
Just Fire…with you. He did not live up to the promise he showed for the big play.
But I don’t know if he’s the real deal or ever will be. Kind of brutal to expect him to become a Larry Fitzgerald, when he’s a 2nd year 4th rounder/borderline scrub.
Nick Miller the DB killer was a disappointment for me! And Chaz!
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:22 am
I didn’t expect to be on the level of Larry Fitzgerald, but maybe on the Jeremy Maclin type of level.
A legit, big play threat, 65-70 catch for 1,000 yard type.
After year 2, I have my doubts he will ever be that type of player.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:23 am
I’ll leave you dudes to battle it out on political issues and semantics with Real Madden Raider for now….later Nation.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:24 am
DHB was the biggest disappointment this year.
This guy is still doing the 1 or 2 catches a game thing.
In the face of the production of Jacoby Ford…let alone those in DHB’s draft class….DHB is the biggest disappointment by far
He is not helping this offense
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:26 am
Louis Murphy was a big disappointment as well.
Too many drops and he too disappeared at times.
However, at least he made some big plays and is more productive than the 1st round pick
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:30 am
DHB’s sole TD was on a play he caught a pass at a stand still and benefitted from horrible plays by a DB that got released 24 hours later and a rookie safety.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:34 am
Was the retarded growth of Murphy and DHB due to the inability of Campbell to get them the ball, or the scheme, or just a failure to deliver on their part?
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:35 am
I read that DHB has worked very hard (in much of the same manner as DMac did). Maybe we give him one more year?
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:38 am
And was Campbell’s inability to get the ball to these dudes due to their failure to get open, his lousy protection or the scheme???!…or his love for check downs (not instructed by Hue)?
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:41 am
Copenhagen Fan,
What retarded the growth of Murphy and DHB was their inability to hold on to passes, fumbles and not getting open.
Jacoby Ford and Zach Miller make plays….those other guys don’t.
DHB works very hard and that’s all fine and good. But there are a lot of hard working football players that are changing tires for a living.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:43 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:22 am
I didn’t expect to be on the level of Larry Fitzgerald, but maybe on the Jeremy Maclin type of level.
A legit, big play threat, 65-70 catch for 1,000 yard type.
After year 2, I have my doubts he will ever be that type of player.
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Really? I find that to be a huge expectation for a 2nd year guy. Murphy will NEVER reach the level of a Maclin. I see him as a Patrick Crayton guy.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:43 am
CF,
I think JC is being instructed or enocouraged to play it safe.
When you have a good running game and the defense is playing well, why risk turnovers.
Now, it was frustrating to not see more downfield passes when they were down a bunch of points….but I have to believe that if Hue told him to take more strikes he would
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:44 am
SNB I’m not trying to defend them. Just trying to hear what you guys think.
Good statements. Catch the F’ing ball would be a good start for those clowns.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:46 am
SNB
I love the thought of short passes to our playmakers, most of who can run. McFadden, Reese and Jacoby bust loose if they get the ball in an opening. I love RAC more than bombs.
Just wish we could throw a 20 yard out once in a while. (not to be to Al Davis-ish)
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:46 am
Guys are supposed to make huge jumps from year 1 to year 2. You hear coaches talk about it all the time.
Murphy regressed, IMO, with better coaching and QB play.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:47 am
Every time I see DHB drop a pass or just plain look like he has no clue, I flashback to where I was sitting/watching when we drafted him….I couldn’t believe my eyes. Al, Al, Al, Al…..
Keep Cable, Turn DHB into the 4th WR that he is, and Start Chaz, Ford, and Murphy, in that order.
Keep Cable and Hue
Get a some line help
Get a vet Q….Carson comes to mind.
Next year, 11-5….
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:49 am
Do you guys think that Campbell can succeed with a good line and a go to WR in combo with Jacoby, Chaz (if healthy) and Murphy?
I think we should run a formation with 2 WR’s, Zach and put McFadden in the slot with Reese as an H Back.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:50 am
The inability to complete 15-20 yard passes down the field, really hampers our O-line.
Teams routinely send 6 or 7 guys on the rush, and we may only have 6 guys to block them. Defenses would rather send in an unblocked guy, and leave almost ALL our receivers in the play in single coverage.
Elite passing teams cherish at that thought; we all blame Cooper Carlisle if we give up a sack.
The only way to fix it is not get new O-lineman, but find a way to make defenses pay for that single coverage. Whether it be a long pass or YAC, you have to make them pay. On 3rd and 8, they blitz a bunch, we throw a 5 yard pass to Miller, he gets tackled immediately and opposing DC’s win the chess game.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:51 am
one thing is certain…FIRE THAT STRENGTH COACH…..no more bum hammies next year!
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:52 am
Just Fire…in agreement with the above. But then we need a QB that can read it and get rid of the ball.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:57 am
But then we need a QB that can read it and get rid of the ball.
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I would tend to agree with that, although getting rid of the ball isn’t the exact issue, it is where he is getting rid of it too.
Some will say that we need WR’s who can get open. Maybe they are right. Or that we need better play-calling, which could also be right.
Whatever the case, there is a fly in the ointment, and drafting a bunch of O-lineman will do NOTHING to fix it.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:57 am
My take is that HAMMIES were our demise this year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
I would tend to agree with that, although getting rid of the ball isn’t the exact issue, it is where he is getting rid of it too.
Some will say that we need WR’s who can get open. Maybe they are right. Or that we need better play-calling, which could also be right.
Whatever the case, there is a fly in the ointment, and drafting a bunch of O-lineman will do NOTHING to fix it.
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giving a QB time to throw has nothing to do with his ability to get rid of the ball or make good/smart decisions with the football? WOW!
I’m pretty sure Matt Cassel would disagree
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:05 am
Hey Rockstar,
3 halves with McClain at MLB against the Chiefs = around 110 yards rushing
1 halve with Ricky Brown at MLB against the Chiefs = around 60 yards rushing.
Since you were talking up the great job he did last game against them, I thought I would put it out there.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:05 am
Drew Brees is pretty good at it.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:07 am
1 half with Seymour and Ricky Brown?
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:07 am
The inability to complete 15-20 yard passes down the field, really hampers our O-line.
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JCamp threw beautiful passes to DHB & Murphy down the sideline yesterday that went right thru their arms. Chaz Schilens was overthrown, but he looked slower than Janikowski trying to sprint down the field!
DHB also had 2 drops to pair with that whiff (above mentioned) and lost fumble on reverse
Heyward-Bey isn’t ready. the scary thought is that he may never be and continue to steal reps from legit receiving options
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:09 am
Hey Rockstar,
3 halves with McClain at MLB against the Chiefs = around 110 yards rushing
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I gave ROMAC props for his performance yesterday, perhaps you missed it
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:10 am
giving a QB time to throw has nothing to do with his ability to get rid of the ball or make good/smart decisions with the football? WOW!
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I’m not talking in general, I am talking about specific 3rd and long situations when defenses are pinning their ears back and rushing 6 or 7 guys.
At best we will have 7 guys in to block, with one being a RB and one being our awful blocking TE. The best ANY O-LINE in football when facing those situations, is to hold on for a second or so until the QB gets the ball out.
Campbell does get the ball out, just not down the field, hence us being 25th in the league in 3rd down conversion (worse than the Browns, Bills and Seahawks!!).
Until we make defenses pay for their callousness, this will never be fixed by drafting a RT and a RG. Will do nothing for our 3rd and long offense. NOTHING.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:10 am
We have a lot of chicken and egg problems.
Pass protection – QB reads – WR drops/non separation
We need to improve on all 3 of the above to make it work.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:12 am
Wildcard Round:
I’m rooting for the Ravens, Colts, Saints & Packers
that’ll make the Divisional Round much more competitive!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:12 am
#837
That is my point.
It is either the WR or QB, or more than likely some combination of both.
DHB drops a 3rd down pass with JC making a nice toss in the face of a pass-rush.
Some blame that on the fact Campbell didn’t have 5 seconds to step up and make a perfect throw and demand we draft a RT, C and RG immediately, lol.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:16 am
I gave ROMAC props for his performance yesterday, perhaps you missed it
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I did see it, just messing with you early in the AM.
The coffee was especially bold this morning!!!!
RoMac looked pretty damn good though didn’t he, for a 21 year old rookie? I expect him to make a big leap next year, to fringe Pro Bowl level.
The days of giving up screens on 3rd and 17 for first downs are officially over. Hip-hip- hooray!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:17 am
JFB,
we have a rookie 3rd rounder from Hillsdale who was forced to play Center in camp, preseason and early regular season … starting at LT
we have a fat slob that nobody else wanted in free agency the past 2 years, two weeks removed from a concussion … starting at RT
Tamba Hali is having a Pro Bowl type season, did you expect him to be a non factor?
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:19 am
One thing I do love is the EXPLOSIVE stuff we are showing.
Some of our speed guys are actually coming through.
Reese, McFadden and Jacoby just exploded on people. Now we need DHB and Murphy and perhaps CHAZ to get something going!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:20 am
I predicted 10-6 before the season so 8-8 and no playoffs is a downer for me. Yet it is improvement caused by our new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson. Our run defense certainly was a master of giving up big plays against out of division teams. We were able to dominate up front against small lines like K.C. but the bigger teams just killed us.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:21 am
The thing I like best about RoMac is his passion and intelligence of the game.
There was a 3rd down play yesterday, where he had great coverage on the TE, who just made a good catch and got the 1st down by a half yard.
Immediately after making the tackle, you saw McClain look towards the marker, and see that he had it, and smacked his hands together and let out an upset yell.
Not mad at anybody else, not happy that he made what was a decent play, not nonchalant about it.
Generally pissed off he gave up one foot to many. In the future, he will be stopping the guy one short.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:21 am
eric mangini…fired…..
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:21 am
I think we need to draft smarter linemen who can remember the snap count so our 3rd and 1s will stop turning into 3rd and 6. I would hate to see Langston Walker stopped at a red light. I’m sure about 20 percent of the time he would just shoot out into the intersection on a red because he was too ignorant to wait for the damn thing to turn green.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:21 am
Good morning all.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:22 am
good morning raider nation!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:22 am
By the way, Happy New Year Raider Nation!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:22 am
RoMac looked pretty damn good though didn’t he, for a 21 year old rookie?
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JFB,
McClain made an IMPACT. He looked like a Top 10 draft choice out there yesterday. Thats all I’ve been asking for all season
As stated yesterday, the entire defense was terrific. We didn’t miss Seymour. ShoNasty got hurt too (did he come back in?) – kudos to John Marshall & crew!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:23 am
849……ouch!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:28 am
imagine Jacoby Ford or Johnnie Lee Higgins starting opposite Louis Murphy in place of Darrius Heyward-Bey for 16 games.
that would have made a HUGE difference imo
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:28 am
Tamba Hali is having a Pro Bowl type season, did you expect him to be a non factor?
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Of course not.
I always say a great D-line (or D-lineman) will beat his peer at O-line 9 out of 10 times.
KC was supposed to have some great O-line, and our D-line sans Seymour beat them to a pulp.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:30 am
Not the best time for DHB to have one of his worst games yesterday.
That was pretty pathetic. You can tell his heart was not in the reverse, and I saw that fumble coming from a mile high.
So much for the whole “have to get him involved early, short passes, reverses” talk.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:30 am
Speaking of Green…Walker is better than Mop Handle ain’t he? ha ha
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:31 am
I wish someone would fire me if I had 2 yrs @$3.9 mil per year remaining on my contract.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:31 am
Mile High???
LOL….mile *away
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:32 am
eric mangini for DC!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:33 am
All you JC haters seem to forget the days of McClown, JC looks like a stub compared to the that crap! McClown tried hard but wasn’t a good QB at all.
With a better record maybe some better FA will look at the Raiders again now that we have built a little something something.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:34 am
Darrius Heyward-Bey will probably end up being like Brandon Lloyd and peak when he’s 29 years old on his 4th football team!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:35 am
We went 8-8 this year….and people are screaming that Cable must stay the HC because of the great job he did.
Well, let’s see, he went 6-0 the AFC West which is impressive no matter what, I’ll give him that, but if there ever was a year to do it this was it. Denver in turmoil, SD with the injuries and holdouts at key spots, KC a young team.
Then Cable went 2-2 vs the worst division, maybe in the history of football, the NFC West.
Then he went 0-6 against everyone else.
We lost all of the most important games of the year.
The opener-blown out 38-13.
The easy early schedule, we go 2-4 when we needed to go 4-2.
We win three in a row against bad teams and things are looking up….until we play the game that will put us on the map, Pitt blows us out 35-3.
We are still in it with a home game against the Phins, another non-playoff team, probably the most important game of the year…we lay and egg at home- 33-17 loss.
Despite that we are still in it because our division is so weak, yet we can’t get the win in Jax and then get wacked at home again by Indy.
Cable took us from 3rd place to 3rd place. Even an average NFL HC would have had us at 10-6 with that cake schedule. It isn’t like we lost 6 of the 8 games to playoff teams either…we lost only 2 games to playoff teams. And it isn’t like we beat a bunch of good teams….the only playoff teams we beat were KC and Seattle (maybe the worst playoff team in the history of the NFL).
It was an interesting year, but sorry if I am not all that impressed….and hopefully Al Davis sees this season for what it really was too….a lost opportunity that a real NFL HC would have capitalized on.
Fire Cable and hope Al pulls a rabbit out of his hat with a decent coach. He has done it before, he can do it again. Cable has no upside. We just saw his max potential this year. He had everything stacked in his favor and he pissed it down his leg against a bunch of non-playoff teams.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:36 am
Raider Brethren:
Good points by some in 700’s. We need to get an established QB once & for all to lead us to greater heights Cantball is not the leader we saw that when Grads would come in & play. We have to get CARSON PALMER who has ventured into the 30+ TD’s in a season club, reminds me of Plunk back in 79 “He’s washed up!” Not so bring in a good vet WR, draft OL & formula will ROCK N’ROLL!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:37 am
If McClown had Calvin Johnson to throw how good would he look?
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:37 am
DHB is Alvis Whitted. How long will he be here? At least Whitted was buried in the depth chart and never took up much space on the field.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:37 am
“to throw to”
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:38 am
Convert DHB to play corner.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:40 am
Miami 7-9
Houston 6-10
Tennessee 6-10
San Francisco 6-10
Arizona 5-11
Playoff teams win the games that they SHOULD win. We lost to all 5 of these to teams with a worse record than us!
Indy, Pitt & Jax I can understand.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:40 am
I have no confidence in McClown at all he couldn’t throw a fight.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:41 am
Raider Rock..urgh that hurts to see in print.
Dakota…who do you want to take over as coach?
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:41 am
We have a unique opportunity here for a new HC. Hue Jackson had this team scoring enough points to get us to 8-8, and now the job doesn’t look so unappealing.
Some decent HC candidates will be looking at us with a different view now that Hue showcased some of our talent. This is different than when we were 4-12 and looking for a HC. An 8-8 team that just needs to some tweaking and a decent DC and a HC that can instill some discipline and consistency and this is a playoff team.
Some decent HCs will now be looking at this job and salivating, instead of looking at it and getting a feeling of despair.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:43 am
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:35 am
We went 8-8 this year….and people are screaming that Cable must stay the HC because of the great job he did.
Well, let’s see, he went 6-0 the AFC West which is impressive no matter what, I’ll give him that, but if there ever was a year to do it this was it. Denver in turmoil, SD with the injuries and holdouts at key spots, KC a young team.
Then Cable went 2-2 vs the worst division, maybe in the history of football, the NFC West.
Then he went 0-6 against everyone else.
We lost all of the most important games of the year.
The opener-blown out 38-13.
The easy early schedule, we go 2-4 when we needed to go 4-2.
We win three in a row against bad teams and things are looking up….until we play the game that will put us on the map, Pitt blows us out 35-3.
We are still in it with a home game against the Phins, another non-playoff team, probably the most important game of the year…we lay and egg at home- 33-17 loss.
Despite that we are still in it because our division is so weak, yet we can’t get the win in Jax and then get wacked at home again by Indy.
Cable took us from 3rd place to 3rd place. Even an average NFL HC would have had us at 10-6 with that cake schedule. It isn’t like we lost 6 of the 8 games to playoff teams either…we lost only 2 games to playoff teams. And it isn’t like we beat a bunch of good teams….the only playoff teams we beat were KC and Seattle (maybe the worst playoff team in the history of the NFL).
It was an interesting year, but sorry if I am not all that impressed….and hopefully Al Davis sees this season for what it really was too….a lost opportunity that a real NFL HC would have capitalized on.
Fire Cable and hope Al pulls a rabbit out of his hat with a decent coach. He has done it before, he can do it again. Cable has no upside. We just saw his max potential this year. He had everything stacked in his favor and he pissed it down his leg against a bunch of non-playoff teams.
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It’s early, no one else needs to apply.
Post of the Day!!!!!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:43 am
That might happen Dakota but don’t forget the dark cloud that hangs over the Raiders.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 am
NBA news:
How about them Memphis Grizzlies?
LOL!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:47 am
despite sweeping them and finishing 8-8, the Chargers STILL have a better W/L record than us!
crap.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:47 am
Jason Campbell hasn’t had the same system 2 years in a row in the NFL since……ever. I think if things stay pretty much in tact for him in that regard, he might show some real improvement next season. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. For Tom Cable to take the steaming pile that he had when he was hired and turn it into an 8-8 team, I think he should be coach of the year. After seeing Hue’s game plan against the colts, there is no way he should be a HC anywhere. I say give these dudes one more year to carry this momentum and see if they can do it. Barring lockout, of course.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:48 am
How about them Memphis Grizzlies?
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Pathetic!
Lakers are not winning a ring this year.
SA and Boston in the finals!
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:48 am
Just Win Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:37 am
DHB is Alvis Whitted. How long will he be here? At least Whitted was buried in the depth chart and never took up much space on the field.
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Alvis started in 2006. Remember the Jerry Porter debacle? Poor Andrew Walter.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:49 am
Who would be an upgrade over Tom Cable that could work well with Al Davis?
Jon Gruden maybe.
Hue Jackson = 4-12 next year. Print That
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:50 am
Rockstar….
How ’bout Ray Sherman?
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:52 am
872.Copenhagen_Fan Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:41 am
Raider Rock..urgh that hurts to see in print.
Dakota…who do you want to take over as coach?
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If the choice is between keeping Cable and letting Hue Jackson go, then I have to side with Jackson. He isn’t my first choice as our HC, but he certainly has more upside than Cable.
But there are many potential HCs that I would take over either of them, with Harbaugh at the top of the list. He already lives in the area, he already knows about the work environment being a former Raiders coach, he is young and has a ton of potential.
That one is probably unrealistic, but I would also look at Brian Billick, Jim Fassel, Mike Martz, Ron Rivera, Mike Nolan, Mike Murlarkey, Kirk Ferentz, Todd Bowles, Jeff Davidson, Pat Schurmur….and of course you make a call to Gruden….just in case you can catch him in a moment of nostalgia.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:54 am
Despite what most analysts have said about the second-year pro out of Maryland, Hue Jackson is standing behind Heyward-Bey, and isn’t ashamed to do it. “I think Darrius has done his job. It’s unfortunate but I think everybody has this expectation that he’s supposed to catch seven balls or eight balls in every game. I don’t see that. I don’t think that that’s what it’s all about. It’s about him doing what we ask him to do play in and play out.”
“There’s a lot that goes into a football game. It’s not just Darrius Heyward-Bey catching eight balls. It’s about him having opportunities to catch the balls that are thrown his way, which he did last week. I thought he did a tremendous job.”
Jackson said that there have been games in which the Raiders haven’t thrown Heyward-Bey the ball like they should have, some games in which he was covered and they went a different way, and some games in which his receiver was taken completely out of the game by the other team. Even so, his 21 receptions for 306 yards and one touchdown is a little lean for the seventh pick in the draft going into the 14th game of his second year.
Nonetheless, Jackson did make his case to the media on Heyward-Bey’s behalf. “This guy a year ago was ridiculed, honestly, for dropping balls. I don’t see that. We all can agree to that, right? That’s not happening. This guy is catching the ball in games. He has more catches than he did a year ago and he’s playing with confidence. I see improvement.”
But Jackson was clear about wanting more from his highly paid pass catcher without backtracking on his previous statements during the press conference. “There’s no question we want to see the big jump and I think that’s coming. I want him to have that eight catch game for 224 yards and three touchdowns. I think that’s around the corner
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Head Coaching candidate?
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:57 am
875.neilb Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:43 am
That might happen Dakota but don’t forget the dark cloud that hangs over the Raiders.
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McFadden and Hue Jackson blew away a large portion of that cloud. This job looks better to decent HCs than it has since 2002.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:57 am
“”I want him to have that eight catch game for 224 yards and three touchdowns. I think that’s around the corner”"
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Head Coaching candidate?
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Mad house candidate.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:57 am
Not sure where this “a new system every year” for Campbell comes from.
He has played for 3 HC’s, Joe Gibbs from 05-07, Jim Zorn from 08-09 and now Tom CAble.
He sat the bench in ‘05 and learned the offense of Gibbs. Gibbs hired Al Saunders for 06-07 to be his assistant HC, and enhance the offense already in place.
Zorn came in and changed things, and they changed play-callers mid-year, but it was still the same offense.
I see it as 3 systems.
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:58 am
If you fire Tom Cable, all the players who worked their nads off to get to this point by having faith in him are going to throw their hands up and say wtf? You cant expect a 4-12 team to jump to playoff caliber overnight, but not be willing to accept steady improvement over a couple seasons to get there. This team was a toxic hot mess and now we are at least respectable. I would hate to see Al Davis set us back another 3 years.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:00 am
Dakota,I meant Al Davis.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:00 am
888.Just Win Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:58 am
If you fire Tom Cable, all the players who worked their nads off to get to this point by having faith in him are going to throw their hands up and say wtf? You cant expect a 4-12 team to jump to playoff caliber overnight, but not be willing to accept steady improvement over a couple seasons to get there. This team was a toxic hot mess and now we are at least respectable. I would hate to see Al Davis set us back another 3 years.
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KC did it with a young team and a set of good coaches. Take KC’s coaching staff and give it to us this last year and we are 11-5 minimum.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:01 am
Dakota,
Hue Jackson wanted Bruce Gradkowski to start over Jason Campbell
JCamp won 8 games this year.
goose egg for brittle bruce!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:03 am
KC is the exception to the rule. We beat them twice. I am not so impressed with their staff.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:03 am
KC did it with a young team and a set of good coaches. Take KC’s coaching staff and give it to us this last year and we are 11-5 minimum.
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…..and with one of the best GM’s out there.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:03 am
889.neilb Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:00 am
Dakota,I meant Al Davis.
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That is a dark could fo sho….but Al has managed to hire decent HCs in the past….Gruden, Shanny, Kiffin. He has an eye for talent….he just didn’t take the time to even read Cable’s resume before he hired him. It would have read “Worst coach in the history of Idaho”. Al was too focused on firing that guy Kiffin to see what a mistake he was making in Cable.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:04 am
Growing pains, fellas. Next year we win the AFC west.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:04 am
JCamp won 8 games this year.
goose egg for brittle bruce!
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We have to set the record straight on this record thing.
Bruce was 0-3 in games he started and finished. Jason was 6-4.
We were 2-1 in game there was a switch (Rams, Chargers and Steelers).
I have seen people say Bruce was 1-4, Campbell was 7-4, you got Campbell winning 8 games, etc, etc.
6-4 for JC, 0-3 for Bruce, one off the bench win for Bruce (when we were losing) one of the bench win for JC (when he entered we were winning 12-0) and one debacle in Pitt that Campbell started.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:05 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 7:54 am
Despite what most analysts have said about the second-year pro out of Maryland, Hue Jackson is standing behind Heyward-Bey, and isn’t ashamed to do it. “I think Darrius has done his job. It’s unfortunate but I think everybody has this expectation that he’s supposed to catch seven balls or eight balls in every game. I don’t see that. I don’t think that that’s what it’s all about. It’s about him doing what we ask him to do play in and play out.”
“There’s a lot that goes into a football game. It’s not just Darrius Heyward-Bey catching eight balls. It’s about him having opportunities to catch the balls that are thrown his way, which he did last week. I thought he did a tremendous job.”
Jackson said that there have been games in which the Raiders haven’t thrown Heyward-Bey the ball like they should have, some games in which he was covered and they went a different way, and some games in which his receiver was taken completely out of the game by the other team. Even so, his 21 receptions for 306 yards and one touchdown is a little lean for the seventh pick in the draft going into the 14th game of his second year.
Nonetheless, Jackson did make his case to the media on Heyward-Bey’s behalf. “This guy a year ago was ridiculed, honestly, for dropping balls. I don’t see that. We all can agree to that, right? That’s not happening. This guy is catching the ball in games. He has more catches than he did a year ago and he’s playing with confidence. I see improvement.”
But Jackson was clear about wanting more from his highly paid pass catcher without backtracking on his previous statements during the press conference. “There’s no question we want to see the big jump and I think that’s coming. I want him to have that eight catch game for 224 yards and three touchdowns. I think that’s around the corner
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Head Coaching candidate?
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I sure as hell feel a lot better about DHB after reading that. I’m big on coaches backing their players up in the media. I hope Cable is taking notes. It might just help him in his next gig as coach of the Omaha Nighthawks.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:05 am
we all blame Cooper Carlisle if we give up a sack.
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We??????
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:06 am
KC did it with a young team and a set of good coaches. Take KC’s coaching staff and give it to us this last year and we are 11-5 minimum.
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Weis & Crennel got the job done this year. So you think KC should fire Todd Haley?
It’ll be easier to find an egghead X’s & O’s guy to replace Hue Jax than a Head Coach that can drive the Al Davis crazy train!
Hue Jackson can walk the plank. All the players are in full support of Cable. Yet another change at HC would be a disaster! Nobody is saying “man, I sure hope Hue stays and doesn’t take a job elsewhere. He got this offense on track!”
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:06 am
Off for some dinner.
Have a great Monday everyone.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:06 am
Before we get all aroused over KC, Tom Cable beat them TWICE. If Cable sucks so bad, KC looks pretty lousy too.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:07 am
Phins went form 1-15 to 11-5 just a couple of years ago. Steelers went from 6-10 to 15-1. Bears went from 5-11 to 13-3 a few years ago. Chargers from 4-12 to 12-4.
This isn’t the 70s and 80s anymore, where you built on a 5 year plan.
Coaching coaching coaching
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:10 am
JFB,
re: St Louis
it was 7-3 at halftime. You’re going to assume that JCamp walks away with a loss? LOL!
how did he do in the second half against Sandy Eggo?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:11 am
Among the top 15 sack leaders, we played Hali (2), Shaun Philips (2), Wake, Babin, Harrison, Mathis and Chris Clemons.
That’s 9 games against elite NFL pass-rushers.
They hit QB’s for a living, every week, no matter who we play. Let’s stop crying everytime our QB faces a little pass-rush. Every team that plays these guys, faces the same thing every week.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:12 am
That is a dark could fo sho….but Al has managed to hire decent HCs in the past….Gruden, Shanny, Kiffin. He has an eye for talent….he just didn’t take the time to even read Cable’s resume before he hired him. It would have read “Worst coach in the history of Idaho”. Al was too focused on firing that guy Kiffin to see what a mistake he was making in Cable.
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he also managed to to boot them out of here for going against the davis “game plan”
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:12 am
Rockstar, or course the players like Cable…he cut back practices, cut back training camp work, threw Russell under the bus, let them practice TD celebrations, has limited expectations….what player wouldn’t want to play for that guy?
Players like those types of coaches….they don’t like the Tom Coughlin types….difference is that one kind of coach wins the other kind doesn’t in the NFL. Players are like kids, always taking the easy way out and siding with the lax, fun parent.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:15 am
Dakota (re post 902)
if Seabass doesn’t miss a FG or Ford doesn’t fumble a kickoff we’re in the playoffs 1 year removed from JaMarcus!
even with the Gradkowski losses, DHB starting at WR and bottom 10 run defense
wasn’t Cable’s fault imo
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:16 am
JFB,
re: St Louis
it was 7-3 at halftime. You’re going to assume that JCamp walks away with a loss? LOL!
how did he do in the second half against Sandy Eggo?
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You want to give credit to JC for coming back in the second half against SD but not Bruce for the Rams game?
Campbell played real well in the second half, but that doesn’t change the fact he came into the game with a 12 point lead.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:16 am
True, but we have had some quesionable drafts in the past working against us and a guy named Al Davis behind the wheel which changes the complete dynamic. As long as Cable can float in the shark infested waters and let the coordinators make it to shore, I think he is still the best option. He has taken a lot of heat off of Al Davis. Lets not forget how many were praying for Al’s death on here last season. Tom Jackson has to keep his ugly mouth shut on ESPN now and we aren’t the laughingstock of the NFL any more and I think Tom Cable deserves a lot of credit for that.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:16 am
6-4 for JC, 0-3 for Bruce
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My calculator tells me that 3 games are missing from your calculator!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:16 am
Jon Gruden was ran out of town in Tampa for the same reasons he was let go here…he likes veterans he does not trust rookies he turns young teams into old teams it has taken us a few years to rebuild with youth and it has taken Tampa 2 years to rebuild with youth after Gruden left.
The reality is that the big name coaches that are on the market will not work with Al Davis or will he pay them what they are asking. So we are stuck with guys like Cable and Art Shell etc. Cable may not be the best coach out there but he is the only one who currently can work with Al Davis in his current senile state.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:17 am
Dakota,
Tom Coughlin will be WATCHING the playoffs this year, just like Tom Cable …
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:18 am
Nobody is saying “man, I sure hope Hue stays and doesn’t take a job elsewhere. He got this offense on track!”
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Except for me and Dakota!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:18 am
Tom Cable couldn’t carry Coughlin’s jock. Remember what Coughlin’s team did to Cables not too long ago?
What was it 100-3?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:19 am
LMAO J
Upgrade Cable and Marshall.
I’m sick of Marshall the one trick pony.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:20 am
Except for me and Dakota!
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Jhill,
I mean players
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:21 am
My calculator tells me that 3 games are missing from your calculator!
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I said it:
2-1 on games with a switch.
STL, SD and Pitt.
There is plenty of debate about who deserves credit/blame for the wins/losses in those 3 games so I left it alone.
But those are the FACTS.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:21 am
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:12 am
Rockstar, or course the players like Cable…he cut back practices, cut back training camp work, threw Russell under the bus, let them practice TD celebrations, has limited expectations….what player wouldn’t want to play for that guy?
Players like those types of coaches….they don’t like the Tom Coughlin types….difference is that one kind of coach wins the other kind doesn’t in the NFL. Players are like kids, always taking the easy way out and siding with the lax, fun parent.
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Amen to that! He said they would have made the playoffs if it weren’t for JR last year. Little did he know that he set the expectation right there: playoffs or bust. If we at least had had a chance at the playoffs in the last game, maybe he gets a reprieve. But we weren’t even in a position yo be a spoiler yesterday. Think about that for a minute. The guy has got to go!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:22 am
Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:16 am
The reality is that the big name coaches that are on the market will not work with Al Davis or will he pay them what they are asking. So we are stuck with guys like Cable and Art Shell etc. Cable may not be the best coach out there but he is the only one who currently can work with Al Davis in his current senile state.
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exactly!!!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:23 am
Sorry guys, I am simply not going to throw up my hands and settle for losing and Tom Cable just because of Al Davis.
I am not going to let go of hope and pretend Tom Cable will ever be able to get the job done.
Saying we can’t do better than Tom Cable is saying this team will never win another SB.
I just can’t do that. Maybe in another 20 years, but not now. Recent history tells me Al can find a coach that can bring us glory….he did so with Gruden, he can do so again. I am not settling for a guy like Cable who doesn’t stand a chance of taking this team anywhere. I find it sad that you guys have given up on the team like that.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:25 am
If Cable is fired, no matter who the replacement is, I will bet the farm we do worse than 8-8 next year.
No doubt in my mind that at THE VERY BEST, getting rid of Cable is the one step backwards to go two step forwards routine.
And that is the best case scenario.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:27 am
He said they would have made the playoffs if it weren’t for JR last year. Little did he know that he set the expectation right there: playoffs or bust.
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Exactly!
will be interesting to see who he blames this year.
I keep hearing him say “I’m good at what I do!”
WTF does he do??????
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:27 am
JFB,
If we keep Cable how do we do next year? We aren’t playing the NFC west next year, we are playing the North. And we certainly are not going 6-0 in the division again.
Are we suddeenly going to win games under Cable that we haven’t been able to win the past three seasons?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:28 am
do you guys really think there is going to be a huge push for hue, from other teams, with only one year as an OC under his belt? jeremy newberry said on channel 5 a couple of weeks ago that most of the plays we are running are plays that cable was running when he (newberry) played here….i would love to see a gruden/cowher type come in….but come on…you guys really think a top tier coach is going to work with davis?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:31 am
Are we suddeenly going to win games under Cable that we haven’t been able to win the past three seasons?
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Dakota,
Cable will win the division next year if retained, with or without Hue Jackson.
Book it.
We “suddenly” were able to man-handle SD twice and breeze through the divison, pretty easily. Now that that is accomplished, we iron out the other areas.
This team and organization is too fragile mentally to handle a new HC and system and more expectations in one offseason.
This is the state of the 2010-11 Oakland Raiders
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:31 am
At this point because of all the attention Al’s received in the past in “discovering” head coaching talent, a thing he can take credit for all by himself, he is more inclined to go for glory for himself then continue progress for the team. He wants to notch another in his belt with Hue, which would be a mistake. The players made it pretty clear they were playing for Cabes. This is why he won’t hire a GM because all those years where they won with Wolf and Allen, and he got only partial credit. What a pitiful man Al Davis is.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:34 am
If Cable is fired, no matter who the replacement is, I will bet the farm we do worse than 8-8 next year.
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Agreed. I’m all in
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:36 am
cable needs to go. playing musical chairs with the qb position cost the team 1 or 2 wins. if he was basing the decision on input from jackson, then jackson needs to go too.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:36 am
926.Hobs Gnarly Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:31 am
At this point because of all the attention Al’s received in the past in “discovering” head coaching talent, a thing he can take credit for all by himself, he is more inclined to go for glory for himself then continue progress for the team. He wants to notch another in his belt with Hue, which would be a mistake. The players made it pretty clear they were playing for Cabes. This is why he won’t hire a GM because all those years where they won with Wolf and Allen, and he got only partial credit. What a pitiful man Al Davis is.
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great post…..true….sad but true….
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:37 am
Cable will win the division next year if retained, with or without Hue Jackson.
Book it.
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Agreed once more.
I hope Hue Jackson stays as OC, but the thought of him replacing Cable as HC is ridiculous
Dakota, weren’t you one of the guys pointing out how Hue Jax was a failed OC in Washington & Atlanta?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:38 am
Dakota I usually agree with you but this time I’m going to say I’m going to agree to disagree. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the Raiders don’t have the luxury of bringing in a new HC right now. We need to give it one more year. Fragile is a good word for it, we are on a cusp and need solidify who we are to crossover first.
I probably agree that Cable isn’t a Championship coach, but to change now would be football suicide.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:39 am
Dakota,
Darren McFadden, Michael Bush & Marcel Reece saved this offense … not Hue Jackson!
Kudos to Al Davis for kicking Justin Fargas & Luke Lawton to the curb
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:41 am
A change in systems and HC may help things in 2012 and beyond (MAY being the key word), but it would spell disaster in 2011.
You think Jason Campbell wants to learn a new system this offseason, and what may be a shorter camp and all?
The man is worried about AFLAC and Cobra right now according to him!!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:41 am
What top tier coaches have turned down the Raider job?
Sean Peyton was an asst coach with NO HC experience, right?
Sarkisian?????
The question is will all even entertain a “top tier” coach as an option.
You guys have to keep in mind that Al said himself he needs to get some “young blood” in the organization to keep it moving forward. The guy can clearly see the sands slipping through the hour glass and is taking a step back from all this “control”. He’s not as visible on the field during the week and such.
Remeber Jon Gruden talking about his legacy as a coach if he was able to resurrect the Raiders? Talking about how global the team is and how it would get them to the HOF????
If you guys don’t think another “quality” coach wouldn’t come here to AT LEAST use this job as a spring board to something else, you’re smoking sumthing good, lol.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:42 am
Hue made the inital change at qb, as it was reported anyway. and that inital change won us at least one game.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:43 am
The issue for me isn’t really giving Hue a promotion. It’s losing Hue and keeping Cable. If you could tell me that Hue will be back if Cable is HC, and we could get an Asst HC/DC like say Marvin Lewis, then I’d be all for that.
Cable as HC, Marshall at DC, no Hue ?????
Pass!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:44 am
Man, this is a sad state guys….just like with Fargas and Garbagekowski, some of you guys like settling for underperforming talent. Yeah, the players sure played hard for Cable….except those games where it really mattered….opener, 49ers, AZ, Miami, Indy….all the most important must-win games of the year.
Must be a word for it in the psychiatric industry.
Delusional disorder maybe?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:44 am
for all the JCamp haters out there:
nobody has the right to question his toughness after this season. It’s pretty obvious that the rumors about him working out with Brett Favre during the offseasons in Mississippi were true – the guy is a warrior
Also, for those that said he was too dumb to read a defense, grasp a playbook or make an audible … he made kind a few audibles yesterday without burning any time outs at Arrowhead, one of the loudest stadiums there is
JCamp hatred = unfounded. He’s a winner and he should return next season as the unquestionned starter
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:45 am
-Cable is 17-27 as Raiders HC, and he has a losing record as a HC in college too.
-He doesn’t manage the roster well.
-He has his fav players and he sticks with them even if we have better talent.
-We lost to 5 teams that are sub .500.
-We don’t adjust well after halftime.
Upgrade Cable!!
Hire Harbaugh!!!!
Hire a new DC too!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:45 am
no top tier coaches have turned down the raiders because no top tier coaches have been interviewed. Mike Martz? is the only existing guy with a name I can think of and did he really interview or just talk with al?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:45 am
Never like the idea of a first time HC (at any level) like Hue would be.
Than you are going to make him HC and de facto play caller? How do we know that that wouldn’t turn into a major disaster?
A HC should be involved in all levels of strategy, and only the elite HC’s with tons of experience can manage their specialty (offense/defense) and not let the rest of the game suffer.
How are we sure Hue could do that?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:45 am
okay so which whiz kid comes in and gets us in the playoffs next year???
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:46 am
I don’t think we should make a coaching decision based on what Jason fukin Campbell may or may not think of it. Jezuz, since when did this guy become our future?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:47 am
blaming cable for not adjusting at halftime was not his call. jackson and marshall have that duty. cable said himself he had nothing to do with playcalling and we all know the plays on defense come from upstairs.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:49 am
JCamp hatred = unfounded. He’s a winner and he should return next season as the unquestionned starter
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I have softened my tune on Campbell and agree he should be the starter next season.
But a “winner”? Really? What has he won? That’s the biggest flaw in his game is that he can’t seem to get over that hurdle.
The most meaningful games he has ever played in the NFL, were games like the Jaguar games and a few games in Washington that were similar in years past.
May not have been entirely his fault (like the Jags game) but I believe he has literally lost everyone of those games.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:49 am
You People,
JC: 13 TDs, 8 INTs, 7.3 yards avg, 59% cmp, and 84.5 QB rating.
Stop the crazy talk!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:50 am
Dakota @864 is on the mark 100%
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:50 am
giving hue credit for doubling the points scored is a little redundant, let’s see him do that with russell as his qb, that would be impressive. nowhere to go but up on that one, of course he did a nice job but he blew that Jacksonville game and 49er game. you could say we lost the playoffs because of him and jano
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:50 am
Darren McFadden, Michael Bush & Marcel Reece saved this offense … not Hue Jackson!
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Because HUE started calling plays that highlighted McFadden’s skillset instead of pounding him up the middle a la Justin Fargas.
Look how much we improved taking responsibilities away from Cable this past offseason!
I say take away a few more responsibilities. If a no name non experienced guy like Hue can come in and make such an impact where Cable couldn’t imagine what a “qualified” guy can do?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:51 am
Raider O Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:49 am
You People,
JC: 13 TDs, 8 INTs, 7.3 yards avg, 59% cmp, and 84.5 QB rating.
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Jon Condo had 8 INTs?
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:51 am
since when did this guy become our future?
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since Al Davis traded for him, compared him to Jim Plunkett and won 8 games in his first season with us!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:52 am
Trade DMAC for a first round pick!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:53 am
Yeah, the players sure played hard for Cable….except those games where it really mattered….opener, 49ers, AZ, Miami, Indy….all the most important must-win games of the year.
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Have we fired Cable yet?
Checking the NFLN ticker, and I haven’t seen the confirmation yet.
CMON AL!
Get this stiff outta here.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:54 am
HUE started calling plays that highlighted McFadden’s skillset instead of pounding him up the middle a la Justin Fargas.
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McFadden is just as good in between the tackles as he is in the perimeter. All that crap about switching him to WR and starting Mike Bush was embarrassing to some of you semi pros
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:55 am
49ers and jacksonville the playcalling sucked, blame hue. Indy was not a must win because they already knew their fate.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:55 am
Btw, we SHOULD have beaten…
Arizona, San Francisco, Houston, Miami, Jacksonville.
All those games we were winning at the half, or were in a position to win, before blowing it.
Those losses were due to poor play, but also poor preparation and poor coaching (hue takes blame too).
We should have been 13-3 no ifs or buts about it, given our cupcake schedule.
I am extremely angry, as I was after the debacle of our opening game against the Titans. That horrendous display after all the talk Cable fed thru the pre-season.
We DID have the talent to do it this year. Poor coaching is mainly to blame for much of it.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:55 am
Hue Jackson was the difference in getting the Raiders to 8-8. Taking the playcalling away from Cable was a good 1st step. 2nd step, FIRE CABLE! I feel better now, I vented. Should have been 10-6.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:55 am
You People,
Cable is the HC, so he can override plays on offense and defense. Cable is the HC so he is responsible for everything including what his coordinators are doing or not doing.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:57 am
JC: 13 TDs, 8 INTs, 7.3 yards avg, 59% cmp, and 84.5 QB rating.
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19th in the league Raider O, with the #2 ranked rushing attack against a pretty soft schedule.
The guy is average. I am OK with average for now, but he is not bad or good. Straight down the middle average.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:58 am
i think most of you know this but will not admit to it, the raiders are better off with cable for one more year at least to truly gage the situation. progress is progress and it takes a lot to pull a franchise out of 7 seasons with 11 or more losses…an nfl record. i mean we were bangles and saints back in the day stank. the effort that cable has put in with his positive attitude and steadiness speaks volumes. thank you tom cable!!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:58 am
the only reason Hue Jackson & Head Coach should be used in the same sentence is when teams are looking to satisfy the rooney rule. This guy is going to flop as a Head Coach and end up a position coach again in 2 or 3 years if somebody does indeed take a chance on him
I’m fine with Hue as OC, but nothing more
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:59 am
Technically, Cable could override Jackson. But, not without a Mid season firing and the overhead projector coming out. AD saw how Cable called plays last year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:59 am
A HC should be involved in all levels of strategy
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Agreed!
Fire Cable now!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:00 am
Jon Consi is a beast! Get over it!
DMC is a beast (when he is healthy)!! Get over it!
Much sucks!! Get over it!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:01 am
Not even a strike should save Cable with the Jan 18th decision deadline on his option. 2 weeks and we will know whether the wife-beater stays.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:01 am
Everyone’s got opinions on who should/might/could be the HC or be better etc. But only Al’s matters.
But besides this vicious circle of debate, the fact is we SHOULD HAVE been 13-3. The player talent WAS there. The coaching WAS to blame for 13-3 ending up 8-8.
No ifs or buts about that.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:02 am
raider o, go back and check the press conference after jacksonville, cable admits he cannot change plays called, that authority was solely hue’s. i would say that pretty strongly negates your opinion that he should somehow be able to override.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:03 am
NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora reports the Browns are looking at John Fox & Jon Gruden …
Adams & Fisher meet today about the Titans HC gig
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:03 am
I am extremely angry, as I was after the debacle of our opening game against the Titans. That horrendous display after all the talk Cable fed thru the pre-season.
We DID have the talent to do it this year. Poor coaching is mainly to blame for much of it.
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I still can’t believe we lost to Vince effin Young. Tyvon Branch had the worst game I have ever seen in the secondary. To come out so unprepared????
Yamon Figurs ??????
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:04 am
Mich*
You are right Vegas. He is more AVG than he is a good NFL QB, but I still think we can win with him (or atleast give him one more season to prove what he can do). The Giants went to the SB with Collins, and the Ravens won it with Dilfer. Both are avg QBs too.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:04 am
I think Cable did a FABOLOUS job triaging the situation in Oakland. Let’s not forget the greas-fire that was the Lane Kiffin and Jamarcus Russell fiasco’s.
Wasn’t Gruden 8-8 for two years, and 8-8 his first year without being hamstrung by some rocket-armed loser (Jeff George)?
Let Cable work his magic in 2011!!!!
Hip-hip Hooray!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:04 am
if the player talent was there, then they would have been 13-3 no if’s and’s or but’s. no scheme’s are a different thing all together and what you have to work with in terms of being innovative and not predictable.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:06 am
Marvin Lewis is on the short list of candidates to take over the University of Pittsburgh’s football program. Lewis’ contract with the Bengals expires after this season and might not be renewed
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:06 am
Cable is done only if Hue is offered an H.C. job somewhere else, especially if it is within the division! For me Cable did a good job motivating the players, but his game management skills where awful all season long and cost the team at least 2 games. if Hue was not here where do you think this teams “O” would be right now? Not where it is today that is for sure, so if they have to fire Cable to keep Hue so be it!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:06 am
Don’t see an available upgrade at qb without trading important pieces and don’t want to take a step backward elsewhere. So, we must get a stud receiver. Schilens shows the potential but unreliable due to injury history. Ford could be Wes Welker but can’t put all your eggs in a player that small. I like the work ethic of DHB and the fire of Murphy but neither will ever be a #1. We played for pride and won big. Beautiful
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:08 am
elboocho Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:06 am
Cable is done only if Hue is offered an H.C. job somewhere else, especially if it is within the division! For me Cable did a good job motivating the players, but his game management skills where awful all season long and cost the team at least 2 games.
Example?
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:08 am
Hobs,
You make an interesting point about Cable not being allowed to override plays. If that is the case, then why would Al Keep a HC that he doesn’t trust to override calls from his coordinators?
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:08 am
All that crap about switching him to WR and starting Mike Bush was embarrassing to some of you semi pros
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I still am not a big Mike Bush fan.
I do think we should have used them both in the backfield occasionally motioning DMac to the slot. Bush should have received ALL of Reece’s snaps to me, and Reece should be the 3rd TE.
DMac in the slot 1 on 1 with a LB or S?????
Can’t believe we didn’t see that this year.
Fire Hue too!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:10 am
The 1st rounder for Seymour is #17 per NFL. That means our 2nd pick is the 17th in that round also.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:10 am
Jim Harbaugh is one of my favorites and it sickens me that he’s going to end up being the HC of either SF or Dungver!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:10 am
if teams rely on corners to make tackles then why not draft lbs for these positions? Man to man defense played right is better…
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:12 am
967.Hobs Gnarly Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:02 am
raider o, go back and check the press conference after jacksonville, cable admits he cannot change plays called, that authority was solely hue’s. i would say that pretty strongly negates your opinion that he should somehow be able to override.
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Cablethrew another person under the bus to save his skin? Imagine that?!?!?! What a stand up guy.
Hey Cable, I thought with better QB play we would have been a playoff team….didn’t you get better QB play this year? Oh, and didn’t you have a cake schedule too? Oh, but you still didn’t make the playoffs, win a big game, or even move us up in the divisional standings? Still a third place team are we?
YOU ARE SOOOOO FIRED!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:13 am
I have to go. Later Nation.
Hobs, I will read your response when I get back. Sorry brother, but I’m late and I have to leave now.
Go Raiders!!
The Great OSU > Mich
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:14 am
Wasn’t Gruden 8-8 for two years, and 8-8 his first year without being hamstrung by some rocket-armed loser (Jeff George)?
Let Cable work his magic in 2011!!!!
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Wasn’t Gruden an established offensive Xs and Os guy in Philly before he came to Oakland?
If there was ANYTHING on Cable’s resume that even HINTED that he could work some “magic” I’d be all for bringing him back.
Help me out with that, would ya?
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:14 am
#49 and #81 picks…..hmmmmmm.
Out of those two we should be able to fill two of the following holes:
OLB, RT, DB, sure-handed WR without injury issues, QB prospect
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:15 am
id take jeff george over cantbell…
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:15 am
GG Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:01 am
Everyone’s got opinions on who should/might/could be the HC or be better etc. But only Al’s matters.
But besides this vicious circle of debate, the fact is we SHOULD HAVE been 13-3. The player talent WAS there. The coaching WAS to blame for 13-3 ending up 8-8.
No ifs or buts about that.
New offense, Qb in his first year of the offense, our our 2 starting receivers in their 2nd year, rookie LT, rookie MLB, rookie starting DE, 13 and 3, serious?
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:16 am
What are the odds that Campbell pulls a hammie and is out when the Lions and SUH come to Oakland next year. Circle that came. Too bad they already have a show called “Fear Factor.”
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:16 am
JFB,
Tebow had about 300 total yards and 3 TD’s yesterday.
if the Dungver defense could stop the run, SD would be 8-8!
Phil Rivers was sacked 5 times, threw an INT and added ZERO TD’s. LOL – what a fraud
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:16 am
that’s game.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:17 am
Wasn’t Gruden an established offensive Xs and Os guy in Philly before he came to Oakland?
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Cable is an established O-line guy and has got his boys to plow their way to the #2 ranked rushing attack.
I’m not for Cable resuming play-calling duties, but this team just isn’t ready for another transition.
We are perennially losers (as sad as that is) and finally got some momentum heading into an offseason. You could hire Jesus Christ himself and this teams players would be disappointed and heart-broken.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:17 am
Raiderbuck Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:38 am
Dakota I usually agree with you but this time I’m going to say I’m going to agree to disagree.
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You are a smart guy….usually!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:18 am
#49 and #81 picks
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tall fast WR & tall fast CB
hopefully they both make plays on the football!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:18 am
Inonewordraider…
serious? the games are there for proof.
we went 8-8, and we lost those 5 games that we should have won.
that’s 13-3.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:19 am
Hue Jackson is the “gruden” who went 8-8 in his first year of controlling the offense much like a typical raider hc does, much like the “gruden” of the raiders.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:20 am
Rockstar,
Tebow was pretty erratic most of the game, and kind of padded his stats at the end.
But he did lead two TD drives in the last 8 minutes, and bestowed his faith on the enusing on-side kick that was recovered, and heaved two hail mary’s into the end zone that were pretty close to being caught.
Interesting to see what type of coach ends up in Denver, because they have the #2 pick and Tebow to work with. I think they will get a pretty decent name to jump on that.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
btw, that’s should have won in terms of the game itself, what went on inside the game. not ’should have’ on paper. should have in that we were up at the half in all those games, or in a position to win those games.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
What are the odds that Campbell pulls a hammie and is out when the Lions and SUH come to Oakland next year. Circle that came. Too bad they already have a show called “Fear Factor.”
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JCamp rolled out of the pocket and scampered 20 yards downfield for the first down on a busted knee with Tamba Hali chasing him!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
Pretty safe bet that Denver goes defense at #2, and I think they may take that DE from Clemson.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:23 am
930.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:37 am
I hope Hue Jackson stays as OC, but the thought of him replacing Cable as HC is ridiculous
Dakota, weren’t you one of the guys pointing out how Hue Jax was a failed OC in Washington & Atlanta?
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No, I was on board with Hue taking over for Cable from the get go. I defended him from those stints in Wash and Atl. He didn’t have play calling duties in Wash and he was in Atl the year Vick was taken away….not really a fair situation if you ask me. I said I hoped he would utilized McFadden. Hue doubled our point total from a year ago. The only way I am displeased with Hue is that I thought he would make us more of a run oriented team….way too many passs attempts for us with our current QB situation, but much of that had to do with Cable’s schytt o-line putting us in bad positions with penalties.
Compared to Cable, Hue Jackson is a football GOD.
Cable is a booger-eating wife-beating buffoon that had to have players draw him up red zone plays in the dirt for cripe’s sake!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:24 am
JFB,
I don’t want to face Jim Harbaugh, Jon Gruden or Tom Cable as Head Coach in Denver next season, but I’m pretty sure one of those guys will lock down the job and sweep us next season with Jackson as HC
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:25 am
995.GG Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:19 am
Hue Jackson is the “gruden” who went 8-8 in his first year of controlling the offense much like a typical raider hc does, much like the “gruden” of the raiders.
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Good point!
We ALL expected Cable to be fired last year. Cable was stll under contract last year this time and we all know how Al hates to pay people for doing nothing.
You don’t think that THIS was the year Al gave Hue to “learn the team” and get familiar with everyone?
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:25 am
989.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:16 am
JFB,
Tebow had about 300 total yards and 3 TD’s yesterday.
if the Dungver defense could stop the run, SD would be 8-8!
Phil Rivers was sacked 5 times, threw an INT and added ZERO TD’s. LOL – what a fraud
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You would take him on the Raiders in a heartbeat liar! lol
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:26 am
999.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
Pretty safe bet that Denver goes defense at #2, and I think they may take that DE from Clemson.
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Even with Dumberville coming back.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:28 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:10 am
Jim Harbaugh is one of my favorites and it sickens me that he’s going to end up being the HC of either SF or Dungver!
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Wrong.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:28 am
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:44 am
Man, this is a sad state guys….just like with Fargas and Garbagekowski, some of you guys like settling for underperforming talent. Yeah, the players sure played hard for Cable….except those games where it really mattered….opener, 49ers, AZ, Miami, Indy….all the most important must-win games of the year.
Must be a word for it in the psychiatric industry.
Delusional disorder maybe?
What about the must win game vs Denver or the must wins v San Diego or the must win v KC or the must win v the Rams or the meaningless last game of the season v a 10 win team unbeaten at home playing all of their starters? Cable and Hue should stay. Our team is much improved, guys never gave up as evidenced by only 3 blowout losses one of which was the first game of the season and another v Miami which was a game until the 4th quarter. Hues gonna get better knowing his team and learning how to be an OC. Cable needs to stay for continuity and saavy dealing w/ Al. We’re a VJax away from the playoffs.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
Phil Jackson needs firing, not Cable.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
Even with Dumberville coming back.
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Denver has TONS of holes on defense that Smelvis is not going to be able to mask on his own.
Bowers, maybe that Peterson DB kid, some type of defensive player though, IMO.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:30 am
If there was ANYTHING on Cable’s resume that even HINTED that he could work some “magic” I’d be all for bringing him back.
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Cable was OC for a dominant UCLA offense.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:30 am
sad to see Sam Bradford fight for a playoff spot with nothing but Steven Jackson for Seattle to focus on & shut down.
I bet he would die for a WR Corps of Murphy, Ford, Higgins & Schilens!
Rams Defense = zero sacks & zero INT’s on Charlie Whitehurst. no help from special teams either. poor kid. I think he has a bright future in this league
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
you can be an x’s and o’s genius…norv anyone…and still lose with the raiders. it’s an attitude thing, keep cable…bumaya!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
Cable doesnt even know what’s going on 75% of the time in regards to who’s QB, who got signed, released, who might be traded or traded for, etc.
Clearly all offensive decision-making is done by Jackson and all defensive decision-making is done by Marshall. Cable just buddies up to players and provides input during coaching meetings, and is the go-between between Al and the media.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
I’m not for Cable resuming play-calling duties, but this team just isn’t ready for another transition.
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Like you said earlier, the HC should be involved with all levels of strategy. How do you think that applies to Cable?
Hue meets with Davis directly.
Marshall and Davis run the defense.
Who brought in Yamon Figurs and started him for 1 game?
All I keep getting from you Cable supporters is the same rah rah stuff you were pumping up Gardowski for!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:32 am
cable must have had something on his resume to get the gig in the first place, i thought al was a genius at finding coaching talent….i think it worked.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:32 am
GG Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:18 am
Inonewordraider…
serious? the games are there for proof.
we went 8-8, and we lost those 5 games that we should have won.
that’s 13-3.
example of Cables “game management” costing us 2 games
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:34 am
Champ Bailey will be playing for the Raiders next year, and Brian Dawkins is done.
Look for that #2 pick to be in the secondary.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:35 am
so why aren’t the players stating they want hue to be head coach? why are they to a man except campbell saying coach cable? the players don’t know anything right? and don’t blame a light training camp on cable, that’s al’s thing because he doesn’t want to lose talent to injury.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:36 am
Was arguing with a buddy of mine about this on the golf course, lol.
Through 18 holes, his MAIN point for Cable was him slapping the crap outta Hanson, lol.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:38 am
Am I the only one who thinks McFadden is hurt too much.
This is his best year and he still missed three games.
The guy is hurt a lot which is not good for a RB.
I say trade him keep and Bush!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:38 am
Jhill,
Chump Bailey (32 years old) is done too, but somebody will overpay him for 3 years before he rides off into the sunset … hopefully it isn’t Al Davis!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:38 am
raider o, i don’t know why al gave all the authority to call plays to hue, you have to ask him but if that is the case and it’s certainly been documented then who’s at fault for not adjusting to halftime?
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:38 am
Cable is a booger-eating…
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SOURCE!?!?
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:39 am
Like you said earlier, the HC should be involved with all levels of strategy. How do you think that applies to Cable?
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Cable is involved in all levels of strategy, just at a minimal level.
He is master-delegator!!!! Efficiency at it’s peak!!! And he will slap a ho or punch a snitch in a heartbeat.
I don’t want some type of egg-head who never played the game, who wears sweater-vests coaching this team.
Tattoo’s, wrap-sheets and bowling shirts. That’s what we need.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:40 am
Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:38 am
Am I the only one who thinks McFadden is hurt too much.
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Absolutely not! DMAC needs an offseason double toe-ectomy.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:41 am
I hope Cable gets resigned, that gets a neck tattoo in the offseason.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:42 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:41 am
I hope Cable gets resigned, that gets a neck tattoo in the offseason.
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He would need a neck first.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:45 am
Stan Routt had 55 tackles (49 solo), 15 passes defensed, 2 INT’s, 1 TD and 1 forced fumble
Champ Bailey had 45 tackles (41 solo), 15 passes defensed, 2 INT’s and 1 sack
Plus Routt is 5 years younger and has already been in this system for 6 seasons!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:48 am
Cable was the right hire in the fall-out of the Kiffin affair. And all the other shenanigans like John Herrera’s meltdown. And all the other crap like the Ricky’s Bar Gruden thing, and Rich Gannon stuff.
Closed things down, worked WITH Al, content with what he was and his role was, all the bone-heads keeping a low profile, staying out of the media circus, just focusing on playing football, having guys who are hard-workers etc.
All good. A sense of calm, stability, professionalism.
Thank-you, Tom. You were the bridge to better days/ways.
But Cable himself is out of his depth as a HC per se. As an X&O guy, as a singular leader and tactician, like a Belichick type figure.
Hue may not be “the one”, but the players are all familiar with him now, he’s familiar with our system, was part of what Cable instilled, so the players will associate with him after Cable leaves. He’s a task master, which is what’s needed. Not a buddy-buddy. Hue still has growing to do as an OC/HC. But he’s the right next step from Cable, who was the right next step from Kiffin.
Could be interesting if we got any interest from the likes of Harbaugh and Gruden, and whether Al would even be interested in revisiting the Gruden thing. I doubt it. There’s always the curiosity what-if of a Parcells or Cowher that people dream of. I dont think anyone would turn down Parcells especially over Cable or Hue.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:48 am
Tattoo’s, wrap-sheets and bowling shirts. That’s what we need.
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LOL!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:48 am
1027.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:45 am
Stan Routt had 55 tackles (49 solo), 15 passes defensed, 2 INT’s, 1 TD and 1 forced fumble
Champ Bailey had 45 tackles (41 solo), 15 passes defensed, 2 INT’s and 1 sack
Plus Routt is 5 years younger and has already been in this system for 6 seasons!
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Routt just had 10 times more passes thrown his way….
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:50 am
I don’t want some type of egg-head who never played the game, who wears sweater-vests coaching this team.
Tattoo’s, wrap-sheets and bowling shirts. That’s what we need.
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Agreed!
didn’t Hue Jackson play QB for UOP in Stockton (1985) though? I know that team well. what a juggernaut!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:51 am
Inonewordraider…
The point is…we went 8-8 and we blew 5 games we were in a position to win and should have won.
The statement of “we should have been 13-3″ is not contentious.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:52 am
Morning peoples!
Happy New Years, no all my Raider Nation brothers!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:52 am
Rod Woodson 6′ 205
Champ Bailey 6′ 192
Sign him up to play corner, if he struggles, convert him to safety in 2012.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
I’ve been to many UOP games back in the day.
I think Hue was the QB before Craig Wilheilm.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:55 am
Who was the most disappointing player on defense this year?
My vote is for Branch….just because I didn’t have high expectations for McClain.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:56 am
http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/video/video/show?id=2600775%3AVideo%3A3039257&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_video
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:56 am
I vote for Branch as well. He needs to ditch the stupid dance after every decent play he makes as well.
Groves didn’t do much for me either. Seemed like he was getting smashed by a FB every big-run we gave up this year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:57 am
DENVER — Could former Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels be a good fit in Oakland?
With Raiders head coach Tom Cable unlikely to return, reports out of the Bay Area indicate that McDaniels is a potential candidate to replace him.
Nancy Gay, NFL Senior Editor for FOXSports.com, says Stanford head coach Jim Harbaugh and McDaniels both “intrigue” Raiders owner Al Davis.
The Broncos fired McDaniels in December amid a 5-17 losing skid dating back to the 2009 season.
McDaniels, 34, made a series of personnel blunders, notably trading away Peyton Hillis, who has become a power running back in Cleveland.
He also was fined $50,000 by the NFL for failing to report a subordinate who violated league rules by videotaping a San Francisco 49ers practice in London on Oct. 30
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:57 am
Tyvon Branch was WITHOUT QUESTION the worst player on deense this year. Literally from opening day! Took him about 6 weeks to stop biting on the the PA fakes and dropping his coverage.
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:59 am
He!! no to McDaniels, he’d get rid of DMAC, Bush, Miller, pob even Ford!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:59 am
# DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:52 am
Morning peoples!
Happy New Years, no all my Raider Nation brothers!
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…………well then,
Fk you guys!
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:59 am
“Keep an eye on what happens in Oakland, as well. Because if the Raiders don’t fire Tom Cable, then Hue Jackson might be a candidate for the Bengals job (also according to Peter King’s MMQB column, linked earlier). Jackson is currently the offensive coordinator in Oakland, but he was the Bengals’ wide receivers coach from 2004 to 2006.
SI.com’s Don Banks says don’t be surprised if Jackson gets promoted by the Raiders if Cable is out.”
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I’d take McDaniels as OC to replace Hue if Al decides to keep Cable and Hue gets the Cinci job.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
If isn’t Harbaugh, I’m rolling w/ the Cable guy!
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
Groves didn’t do much for me either.
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Groves was a DE playing LB, and got better as the year went on. First year playing 4-3 OLB and without question Trevor Scott would have been worse.
I expect to see Goethel playing that spot next year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
Typical Dakota.
He wants to vote on who was MOST DISAPPOINTING!
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
McDaniels, 34, made a series of personnel blunders, notably trading away Peyton Hillis, who has become a power running back in Cleveland.
He also was fined $50,000 by the NFL for failing to report a subordinate who violated league rules by videotaping a San Francisco 49ers practice in London on Oct. 30
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Why Al wont consider him. Another Kiffin.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:02 am
1041.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:59 am
He!! no to McDaniels, he’d get rid of DMAC, Bush, Miller, pob even Ford!
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Which is why you don’t give these guys total control of the roster, lol!
NO WAY Al EVER lets a HC gut HIS team like that.
I’d take McDaniel’s over Cable AND Hue all day long.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:03 am
Hell to the No! (McDaniels)
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:03 am
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January 3rd, 2011 at 10:04 am
Mangini fired.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:04 am
1048.J Hill Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:02 am
1041.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:59 am
He!! no to McDaniels, he’d get rid of DMAC, Bush, Miller, pob even Ford!
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Which is why you don’t give these guys total control of the roster, lol!
NO WAY Al EVER lets a HC gut HIS team like that.
I’d take McDaniel’s over Cable AND Hue all day long.
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Tell me why?
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:05 am
The Broncos fired McDaniels in December amid a 5-17 losing skid dating back to the 2009 season.
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McDaniels is a hack, a confimed cheater, and a whiny egg-head who gets the worst from his players.
How about a coach who has a winning record, at some level at the very least?
What did McDaniels do at OC that was so amazing, outside of when he had the greatest QB ever?
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:07 am
McDaniels would have been fine had he not been able to fire Nolan and drop all the talented players. he slit his own throat.
He needed an owner that would have been overbearing like Al Davis lol.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:07 am
1053.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:05 am
The Broncos fired McDaniels in December amid a 5-17 losing skid dating back to the 2009 season.
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McDaniels is a hack, a confimed cheater, and a whiny egg-head who gets the worst from his players.
How about a coach who has a winning record, at some level at the very least?
What did McDaniels do at OC that was so amazing, outside of when he had the greatest QB ever?
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McDaniels coached Joe Montana?
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:09 am
The greatest QB ever did not go to ND, sorry…
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:10 am
I know we all wanted to go to the playoffs this year, and with better coaching and QB play we could have…
But we have to realize the HUGE strides this team took this year. After 7 years of being the worst team in the league over that span, we accomplished a lot.
We SWEPT SAN DIEGO FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!!!
We hadn’t beaten SD in years!
WE swept the AFC West. That is HUGE for us.
Our offense was downright explosive several times this year.
Are there changes still needed, OF COURSE. But you don’t go from the depths of mediocrity like we were in to the Superbowl Champs in one season…
Things are getting better guys, and the rest of the NFL knows it as well…
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:10 am
McDaniels coached Jay Shraoder?
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
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January 3rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
Correction! McDaniels coached Dan Marino?
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
Tell me why?
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McDaniels would have been fine had he not been able to fire Nolan and drop all the talented players. he slit his own throat.
He needed an owner that would have been overbearing like Al Davis lol.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:12 am
I can’t even see McDaniels accepting to interview for the job.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:12 am
Can’t wait for this beat down VT is going to take from Stanford.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:13 am
Actually the greatest QB ever did play at ND….his name was JOE MONTANA.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:13 am
1053.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:05 am
The Broncos fired McDaniels in December amid a 5-17 losing skid dating back to the 2009 season.
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McDaniels is a hack, a confimed cheater, and a whiny egg-head who gets the worst from his players.
How about a coach who has a winning record, at some level at the very least?
What did McDaniels do at OC that was so amazing, outside of when he had the greatest QB ever?
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I did not see McDaniels on the Staff of the 1976 RAIDERS!
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:14 am
I’d take McDaniels as OC to replace Hue if Al decides to keep Cable and Hue gets the Cinci job.
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Agreed!
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:15 am
Hopefully Elway is as good at managing a team as Michael Jordan is……
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:15 am
I took VT Moneyline tonight.
Couldn’t shake the itch. Hadn’t bet on games since I moved to ABQ, but the New Years bowl schedule was too much to ignore.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:15 am
1064.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:13 am
Actually the greatest QB ever did play at ND….his name was JOE MONTANA.
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Joe was a GREAT SYSTEM FIT QB, not the greatest QB!
IMO.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:17 am
Elway, Marino and Brady can all fight over the #2 spot.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:17 am
Vegas,
You probably just lost your $$$ dude.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:18 am
Dakota, tell us all again about the first time you spanked it to Howie Long’s football card.
The day you became a Raider.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:18 am
Jezuz, no first round pick….what the hell are we going to talk about until August?
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:19 am
Josh McDaniels to replace Lal as WR Coach?
I would say he’d be a good fit to replace Weis as OC in KC with other New Englandites Pioli & Crennel … but I know there a rift with him & Haley now
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:20 am
1072.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:18 am
Dakota, tell us all again about the first time you spanked it to Howie Long’s football card.
The day you became a Raider.
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It was a warm july night….I was 9 years old….it was magic!
http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/howielongnaked.png
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
Vegas,
You probably just lost your $$$ dude.
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My rationale is based solely on these coaches and QB’s like Luck/Harbaugh don’t always play well when facing all these pending decisions and distractions.
But I don’t think Stanford has that good a defense. Ryan Williams is banged up for VT, but he is a future first round pick at RB.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:24 am
Luck= Truth
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:24 am
I just want ya’ll to know I was up all night crying because ya’ll kept dissin on me. Please stop it. I can’t take the dissin. So quit it.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:24 am
no first round pick….what the hell are we going to talk about until August?
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just look at all the WR’s & CB’s over 6 foot that run a 4.3 forty – thats our second round pick
DHB is a bust, Chaz is fragile and 2 of the smurfs (Higgins & Miller) will be shown the door.
Routt is a free agent and Asomugha is in the final year of his contract (can’t be tagged next offseason) CJ37 is a backup that has 2-years $8 million left on his current deal
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
I can’t believe fox sports really suggests that Josh McDaniels be in the mix for Head coach, wtf?
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:31 am
Dakota, It is time to stop making your wife wear the Howie flat top.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:33 am
I don’t want Mc Doofus anywhere near my beloved Raiders.
The guy traded Peyton Hillis for Brady Quinn.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:35 am
1039.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 9:57 am
DENVER — Could former Denver Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels be a good fit in Oakland?
With Raiders head coach Tom Cable unlikely to return, reports out of the Bay Area indicate that McDaniels is a potential candidate to replace him.
Nancy Gay, NFL Senior Editor for FOXSports.com, says Stanford head coach Jim Harbaugh and McDaniels both “intrigue” Raiders owner Al Davis.
The Broncos fired McDaniels in December amid a 5-17 losing skid dating back to the 2009 season.
McDaniels, 34, made a series of personnel blunders, notably trading away Peyton Hillis, who has become a power running back in Cleveland.
He also was fined $50,000 by the NFL for failing to report a subordinate who violated league rules by videotaping a San Francisco 49ers practice in London on Oct. 30
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This report is from the hated Nancy Gay. When reporting Raider news, she is as reliable as BSPN!
Not reliable at all and full of unsubstantiated made up crap.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:37 am
I wonder if Jack Del Rio would take the job if he’s out in Jacksonville.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:38 am
Not sure why this McDaniels story is newsworthy.
Of course Al might be “intrigued” by McDaniels in some fashion.
I am also intrigued at the prospects of ditching my wife for Kim K. Doesn’t mean it is anywhere near the realm of possibility.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:38 am
955.Hobs Gnarly Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 8:55 am
49ers and jacksonville the playcalling sucked, blame hue. Indy was not a must win because they already knew their fate.
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The DEFENSE blew the game versus J-Ville and Ford fumbling also.
The offense did it’s job in that game.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:38 am
Seriously why would any one here even think about hiring McDaniels you see how he destroyed Denver, he was thier Kiffin!!
If you guys are serious about McDaniels then why not bring back Joe Bugel or Mike White thats how retarded the McDaniels talk is!
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 am
Al was “intrigued” by Tim Tebow, too.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 am
I hope that B!tch a$$ Bruce Crapkowski does not ever play in a RAIDERS uniform ever again. POS !
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 am
Although McDaniels might make a decent OC if Hue is given the HC job. Just don’t let McDaniels touch the personnel (which in Oakland, he wouldn’t be able to).
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 am
220.Dakota Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 2nd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
QGroves on Twitter:
“Would the real AFC West Champs please stand up….O yea we did!!!”
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Real AFC West Champs were able to win a game or two against real NFL competition…..aka not the AFC West or NFC West
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KC Queefs AFC West Champs…IN NAME ONLY!
The Raiders are the TRUE AFC West Champs and then after this past weekends game THEY know it and so do the Chargers for that matter!
KC were lucky to play Buffalo and catch a Titan team on the downside, while the Raiders schedule was tougher toward the end of the year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:44 am
Al Davis is not going pay or give up control for a big name like Cower, Billik etc.
Just deal with it people this will not change!
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:45 am
OG-RAIDERRR ,
Hue Jackson can take Bruce “Crapkowski” to Cincy with him. He can back up whatever rookie they draft in RD1
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:46 am
Hue Jackson gave himself a “C” grade for his play-calling this year. Sounds honest.
If Tom Cable gives himself a similar grade reflecting the 8-8 record (yeah, better than the “D” grade of the past), is “C” good enough?
SeaBass makes a FG and Ford doesn’t fumble at the Jags and all of a sudden the record is grade “B”.
Unacceptable is the unpreparedness of the season opener, the post bye week rot in Pitts and the Brucekowski debacle against the ‘Fins.
So, “C” grade is what Cable deserves.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:49 am
1093.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:45 am
OG-RAIDERRR ,
Hue Jackson can take Bruce “Crapkowski” to Cincy with him. He can back up whatever rookie they draft in RD1
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Your RIDICULOUSLY funny.
You make zero sense! LOL
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:50 am
I think Bruce is a goner, he will have multiple offers to backup somewhere.
Just not sure why the defense gets a pass in the Miami game from you guys. Yes Bruce stunk, but how bad was the D that day? They made Henne look like a star, not the guy who is about to get waived, and I think they ran for like 190 yards that game.
Bad, bad move by Hue Jackson changing QB’s. That’s the type of crap that makes me tell you guys that this team as an incredibly fragile psyche.
Funky change at QB, and the whole team just flops. And we were winning at halftime and they still folded!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:50 am
the Raiders need a better backup QB to Jason Campbell.
Gradkowski, Boller, Frye or O’Sullivan won’t just wont do!
especially with the O-Line allowing 44 sacks this season (and 49 sacks last season!)
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 am
Draft Andy Dalton, groom him to compete for the starting gig in the future, and keep Boller around.
Campbell in 2011, and depending on how he does 2012 will go from there.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 am
Vegas,
When is Dalton predicted to be drafted?
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 am
Dos mil
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 am
mil cien uno
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:57 am
Your RIDICULOUSLY funny.
You make zero sense!
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DK,
check this out
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/18/report-carson-palmer-wont-take-pay-cut-to-stay-in-cincinnati/
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:57 am
QBs Andy Dalton, Pat Devlin, and Nathan Enderle would all make sense as mid-round picks.
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:59 am
The “what can he possibly be thinking?” award from Sunday goes to KC HC Haley for allowing his starting QB to be mauled, pummeled, pounded, smashed, humiliated, discombobulated, and truly frightened as a playoff tune-up. After the Big John pile-driver penalty Haley should’ve known it was a bad idea to leave Cassel in there.
All good for the Raiders, but dumb as hell for the Chefs.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 am
DMAC,
did you see Chaz in Weeks 16 & 17?
amazing!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 am
Good Morning Nation!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 am
Who should the Raiders re-sign?
Who should they let walk?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 am
DMAC,
did you see Chaz in Weeks 16 & 17?
amazing!
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One word…….
BALLING!
lmao
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:02 am
What’s up M…?
Tommy Kelly told that OG of theirs to tell Haley to get Cassell out of there…how would TK know, right?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:03 am
A woman goes into Bass Pro Shop to buy a rod and reel for her grandson’s birthday. She doesn’t know which one to get so she just grabs one and goes over to the counter. A Bass Pro Shop associate is standing there wearing dark shades.
She says “excuse me sir. Can you tell me anything about this rod and reel?”
He says “Ma’am, I’m completely blind: if you drop it on the counter, I can tell you everything from the sound it makes”.
She doesn’t believe him but drops it on the counter anyway. He says “That’s a six-foot Shakespeare graphite rod with a Zebco 404 and 10lb test line. It’s a good all around combination and it’s on sale this week for only $20.00.”
She says “It’s amazing that you can tell all that just by the sound of it dropping on the counter. I’ll take it”
As she opens her purse, her credit card drops on the floor. “Oh, that sounds like a Master Card.” he says.
She bends down to pick it up and accidentally farts. At first she is really embarrassed, but then realizes there is no way the blind clerk could tell it was she who tooted. Being blind, he wouldn’t know that she was the only person around.
The man rings up the sale and says “That’ll be $34.50 please.”
The woman is totally confused by this and asks, “Didn’t you tell me the rod and reel were on sale for $20.00? How did you get $34.50?”
He replies, “Yes Ma’am. The rod and reel is $20.00, but the Duck Call is $11.00 and the Bear Repellent is $3.50″.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 am
Attempt to re-sign Seymour, Miller, Gallery, Wimbley, Satele, John Henderson, and either Bush or Huff.
In free agency, go after CB Jonathan Joseph, RT Ryan Harris, RG Harvey Dahl or Carl Nicks, and a veteran WR (James Jones, Steve Breaston). If Huff walks, sign FS Jarrad Page.
In the draft, target OLB Greg Jones, QB Pat Devlin, Andy Dalton or Nathan Enderle, RB Derrick Locke (if Bush walks), OG/C John Moffitt, DT/NT Ian Williams. OT/OG Darrius Morris and CB Davon House should also be in the mix if the Raiders can’t upgrade the RT or CB spots via free agency.
If the Raiders accomplish any combination of the above, it’ll be a pretty good offseason.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 am
Young American,
What do you think of Richard Marshall? (Panthers)
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 am
RR, how come eggs don’t taste like chicken?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:10 am
Jerry Mac,
new thread please!
this takes FOREVER to load (refresh)
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:12 am
Jerry,
Put the cheese burger down!
I repeat, put the cheese burger down!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:12 am
I’m guessing the new thread is going to be whether or not Cable is retained…OMG, that’s in 2 weeks!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
# DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 am
Young American,
What do you think of Richard Marshall? (Panthers)
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I’ve heard good things about him. I don’t know much about his style, but from a quick Bing search some scouts say he’s “more comfortable in man coverage”. Which is good because if he came to Oakland he’d be doing a lot of it…
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
LMAO!
“One play changed history. That’s always the case, isn’t it? Something so small affects something so significant.
If not for Jamaal Charles’ final carry in Sunday’s 31-10 loss to the Oakland Raiders, he would have ended the regular season as the most productive rusher in NFL history.
With 7:55 to play, Charles took a handoff and ran to his right before being stopped for a loss of a yard. He didn’t get another carry. If that play had never happened, Charles would have finished his spectacular season having averaged 6.41 yards per carry, one-hundredth of a yard better than Jim Brown’s 47-year-old record for rushing average.
Instead, that one carry — one that, in another season or in another game, might have been meaningless — will keep Charles at 6.38 yards per carry for the 2010 season.”
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:18 am
Hwnrdr,
Hau’oli makahiki hou!
Watching Cassell being bludgeoned into a 19.1 passer rating was extremely entertaining.
Just goes to show that NFL coaches are not necessarily aware of what is going on right in front of themselves.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 am
Good…NO Queef should own any fn records!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:21 am
how come eggs don’t taste like chicken?
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why?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:21 am
I know, right?! Cassell was getting pounded out there! He was kept in because they wanted that win (in which RMR claims the all mighty that it meant nothing)…they took him out when they realized it was all over!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
# DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 am
Young American,
What do you think of Richard Marshall? (Panthers)
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I’ve heard good things about him. I don’t know much about his style, but from a quick Bing search some scouts say he’s “more comfortable in man coverage”. Which is good because if he came to Oakland he’d be doing a lot of it…
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There’s definitely upgrades at CB over Routt.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 am
RR, was up all night wondering, I don’t know either?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 am
the Raiders need a CB they can train for years (Asomugha, Routt, McFadden, Ware, Bowie) or one they can reteach how to play corner from scratch (CJ37, Joe Porter, Jason Horton, Michael Waddell, Joey Thomas)
getting highly touted starting CB’s from other teams (DeAngelo Hall) doesn’t work for the Raiders!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 am
Can’t believe the CHAZ caught a touchdown .It seems like he catches 1 at the end of the year after surgery . Maybe he should get hurt at the END of the season so he can be on time for the begining next season… OR we can pick up Vjax and piss off Choker fans in the process…
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:30 am
Morning Nation!
8-8
O-line was vastly improved this year.Nice mixture of vets and youth.
Seems like we’ll never know how great Grads could B and being a 10 year vet JC should have done more.If the O-line and Dmac didnt play as good as they did,there is no way JC can carry the team,imo.
Defense ALSO showed real signs of improvement.GREAT D picks last year already paying off.
The team is making great strides in a short amount of time…. sense Cable became our Coach…
And did I tell ya that altho we didnt make the playoffs it sure felt GREAT 2 kick the shizzzitt out of the squaws in KC!
WE’re making big strides fast and we need 2 keep all the coach’s
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:31 am
we can pick up Vjax and piss off Choker fans in the process
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I almost forgot, THANK YOU BENGALS !!! (week 16)
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:33 am
Mangini from the Browns is available…
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:34 am
getting highly touted starting CB’s from other teams (DeAngelo Hall) doesn’t work for the Raiders!
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That kind of ignores WHY Hall didn’t work out – he was never a fit for the kind of defense the Raiders play.
Jonathan Joseph, for instance, IS a good fit for the Raiders defense. Physical corner who already spends most of his time in man coverage.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:35 am
… and did you seriously just bring up John Bowie?!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:37 am
Plus, Mike Haynes was a highly-touted starting CB from another team.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:37 am
Yesterday, the talk of Cable being fired was practically forbidden in here. Today, some big name coaches are available, people are talking.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 am
Jonathan Joseph, for instance, IS a good fit for the Raiders defense. Physical corner who already spends most of his time in man coverage.
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Mike Zimmer is not a 4-3 man2man front 4 pressure only DC. never has been. scouting reports saying what a player MIGHT be projected to do well at are often misleading or flat out wrong
Pacman Jones was good enough in coverage at CB for Cincy. Come on Man!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 am
After the mayhem the Raiders blasted on KC yesterday the Chefs now get to welcome Suggs and Ngata and Ray-Ray and Reed in for a visit. John Harbaugh should send a thank you card to Oaktown for pounding KC allowing Balt to roll in and finish them off.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:39 am
I see where Cassel had a quarterback rating of a little over 19. That’s Jamarcus territory!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:40 am
M Lonetree Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:59 am
The “what can he possibly be thinking?” award from Sunday goes to KC HC Haley for allowing his starting QB to be mauled, pummeled, pounded, smashed, humiliated, discombobulated, and truly frightened as a playoff tune-up. After the Big John pile-driver penalty Haley should’ve known it was a bad idea to leave Cassel in there.
…………….
So, who do the Raiders play next week?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:40 am
Who is gone from this team? Higgins, Grads, Meyers and N. Miller for starters.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:41 am
Bennet
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:41 am
Mike Zimmer is not a 4-3 man2man front 4 pressure only DC. never has been. scouting reports saying what a player MIGHT be projected to do well at are often misleading or flat out wrong
Pacman Jones was good enough in coverage at CB for Cincy. Come on Man!
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3-4 or 4-3, Zimmer still uses both of his cornerbacks in man coverage on the outside frequently. Both Joseph and Leon Hall are proficient at it.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 am
Yeah, Bennett did nothing…
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 am
4eva…what’s up bro? Been too long!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:43 am
I agree as usual M Lonetree….
and through-out our history,the team we play this week usually loose the next week,because we stomp em!
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 am
Carlile needs to retire. Would like to walker slide over to his spot… Groves is easily replaced as well. Wimbley deserves another year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:45 am
Who will be the next NFL HC to get the ax?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:45 am
MR…who cares? KC shouldn’t have left Cassell in there that long. It was obvious he was taking a beating in there and wasn’t effective. Not a way to go into the playoffs…
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:45 am
There is only one reason we let Cable go. If Hue Jackson is a candidate for a head coaching job somewhere else. If he is, we offer him the HC position. Otherwise, Cable and hue need to stay here, so we can build on what they did this year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:46 am
If Cable’s option isn’t picked up, I wonder if Jack Del Rio would be interested in coming to Oakland as HC.
It would be nice to see him as DC if Marshall isn’t re-hired, but he’d definitely get higher-paying offers as a DC elsewhere.
Hell, he’ll probably get higher-paying HC offers too. Who knows.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:47 am
McDaniels wouldn’t be a bad pick for OC if Hue is elevated to HC, but I’m not sure I’d want McD as the HC.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 am
Hwnrdr, since the game obviously meant nothing to them, they probably just kept Cassell in there to give him a warm up for the playoffs. They didn’t think the Raiders would come out and get all retard strong on them. Once they realized the Raiders were playing in their own little Super Bowl, proving to themselves that they’re “not losers”, they got Cassell out of there. Remember, before that pick 6, it was still a game.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 am
Hwnrdr!
Yep been a long time but never out of mind this place is! lol
hanging on just the same tho
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 am
4Eva, what it be mayn?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:53 am
What do you think of Charlie Weiss going to Florida as OC?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:53 am
Schefter made a good point this morning. It’s not about Cable’s skill or accomplishments, it’s about Al having to either commit to him, or get rid of him. Is Cable really worth committing to? As in long term contract? I don’t think so. He’s had 3 years and 8-8 is the best he can do. Jacksonville and Miami were teams we could have and should have beat, and had we, we’d be in the post season right now. It’s his 3rd year, end of the season, we’re playing better football, and those two games are his real test. He failed. He’s gone. There is no window for “continuity”. Continue what? Failing? It’s time to keep what’s worth keeping (Ford, DMC, et al), and build from there.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:53 am
lol@DC
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:54 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 am
Carlile needs to retire. Would like to walker slide over to his spot… Groves is easily replaced as well. Wimbley deserves another year.
9 sacks on the year for Wimbley, Bruce Campbell could play RG, that’s all he’s practiced
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:56 am
Cable’s win yesterday proves that he’s deserving of having some role on a top NFL coaching staff. I’d like to see Cable get a ring someday as an O line coach. He’s proven he’s the man for that job. He’s a good motivator, players like him. But his overall record proves he’s not head coach material.
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:56 am
Mike Haynes was a highly-touted starting CB from another team.
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YA, thats 1 example and its 20-25 years ago man!
nothing since then?
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:57 am
Cable 3 years will be the 6th game of next year….Big strides in less than 3 years,imo
before Cable everyone screamed for continuity….
Well keeping Cable for 3 years and more would be what we wanted….continuity
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:57 am
OG-RAIDERRR Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 am
Can’t believe the CHAZ caught a touchdown .It seems like he catches 1 at the end of the year after surgery . Maybe he should get hurt at the END of the season so he can be on time for the begining next season… OR we can pick up Vjax and piss off Choker fans in the process…
VJAX =playoffs
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:59 am
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
LMAO!
“One play changed history. That’s always the case, isn’t it? Something so small affects something so significant.
If not for Jamaal Charles’ final carry in Sunday’s 31-10 loss to the Oakland Raiders, he would have ended the regular season as the most productive rusher in NFL history.
With 7:55 to play, Charles took a handoff and ran to his right before being stopped for a loss of a yard. He didn’t get another carry. If that play had never happened, Charles would have finished his spectacular season having averaged 6.41 yards per carry, one-hundredth of a yard better than Jim Brown’s 47-year-old record for rushing average.
Instead, that one carry — one that, in another season or in another game, might have been meaningless — will keep Charles at 6.38 yards per carry for the 2010 season.”
YES!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 pm
AHHHHH YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BONUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm
YA, thats 1 example and its 20-25 years ago man!
nothing since then?
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Well, the Raiders certainly haven’t had a CB tandem the quality of Haynes-Hayes since then. Closest thing was Woodson-Allen, and Allen was a FA acquisition.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
4evaRaider, that’s splitting hairs, isn’t it? Kiffin was for all intents and purposes out when that big scandal broke right after the ‘07 season. Several reports had him out of the loop, predicting he’d either be fired before the ‘08 season or early in the season, and they were right. No reason to doubt the scope of their reports, that Kiffin was out of the picture the minute Al found out he was flirting with other jobs. Cable was a name thrown around as Kiffin’s replacement ALL THROUGHOUT that time, which tells me he was being groomed into the job. I don’t think those rumors were by accident. This was Cable’s 3rd year. And what could he accomplish in the first 6 games next year to nullify his past results, anyway? How about this…Al gives Cable 6 games next year…and if he’s not 4-2 in those 6 games, he’s gone. Would that be better? IF he doesn’t reach that goal, it would have been better to just replace him now. I like Tom Cable, but the long term success of this franchise is more important than Cable’s ego. He’s had several chances. Several. Pittsburgh was a tall order, they’re one of the best teams in football. And although I’d have like to seen the Raiders at least give the Steelers a game, I don’t blame Cable for losing that one. But Miami and Jacksonville? If I’m Tom Cable I’m pulling no punches against those two teams. They’re winnable games, and must win games. They were his true test, and he lost them both. He’s not a head coach in this league.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:10 am
I know we all wanted to go to the playoffs this year, and with better coaching and QB play we could have…
But we have to realize the HUGE strides this team took this year. After 7 years of being the worst team in the league over that span, we accomplished a lot.
We SWEPT SAN DIEGO FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!!!
We hadn’t beaten SD in years!
WE swept the AFC West. That is HUGE for us.
Our offense was downright explosive several times this year.
Are there changes still needed, OF COURSE. But you don’t go from the depths of mediocrity like we were in to the Superbowl Champs in one season…
Things are getting better guys, and the rest of the NFL knows it as well…
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U need a dose of reality.
O was explosive against really weak defenses.
And what the NFL knows is that the AFC W is the second weakest div in the league.
Yeah, we beat SD. What’s also obvious is cycles show all teams dip, and SD did as well.
We got better, but are far from what you state, unfortunately
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm
new post
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Then Cable went 2-2 vs the worst division, maybe in the history of football, the NFC West.
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that’s a valid point Dakota but most of these games are on the players coach gives the gameplan players got to excecute. Plus hue had some bad ideas in some games offensively excecuted or not. Plyers want to play for cable they go out and play there a$$e$ for him ya they make mistakes but it’s a young team with great talent IMO.