The Cable waiting game begins
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, January 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.
There’s a raucous meeting of some sort going on behind the thin walls between the media room and the club facility, but the open locker room period was largely devoid of activity.
Only a few players trickled in between 10 a.m. and 10:45 a.m. Monday in advance of an 11 o’clock team meeting, all voicing support for coach Tom Cable as well as addressing concerns about a potential work stoppage.
Punter Shane Lechler, asked about the difference between the Raiders of past years and the 2010 version, continued his campaign for Cable.
“I think it was, to tell you the truth I think it was Cabes,’’ Lechler said. “Cable came in and was like, ‘Hey guys, this is what we’re going to do. We’re going to win the AFC West and we’re going to go do this and we’re going to compete and we’re going to win.
“He really helped this team out because he’s a blue-collar coach, and that’s what this organization I think needs. He’s not going to – excuse my French – he’s not going to (B.S.) you.
“He’s a straight shooter, and that’s how he is. That’s what I enjoy about him. I enjoy playing for him. Hopefully he’s here for a while. But I really do really, seriously think he’s the main reason we’ve got this thing headed back in the right direction.’’
Lechler has read the reports _ both ESPN’s Adam Schefter and the NFL Network’s Mike Lombardi have said Cable is “unlikely’’ to return _ and hopes they’re not true.
“That would be a shame. I seriously believe that it would set us back again,’’ Lechler said. “I can’t go through another head coach, man. I just can’t. I’ve been through too many of them. And they all come in here and say the same thing, ‘I’m going to do this, I’m going to turn this …’
“No, you’re not. I’d rather be with the guy that’s here right now, and we’ll roll with him.”
Lechler has played for six head coaches in 11 seasons _ Jon Gruden (2000-2001), Bill Callahan (2002-03), Norv Turner (2004-05), Art Shell (2006), Lane Kiffin (2006-07) and Cable (2007-present).
Tight end Zach Miller said if Cable weren’t retained “That would be a disappointment for everyone on the team. We’ve rallied behind him and he’s always been an honest coach with us, a great guy we follow. I don’t think anybody on the team wants that.’’
Said linebacker Ricky Brown: “You know what, I think he’s done a great job here. It seems like that other rumor started yesterday and we were kind of taken aback by it. None of that stuff, the players have no control over that, and the only thing we can do is play.’’
Brown, however, was realistic enough to understand there’s always a possibility of change and donned his silver and black colored glasses to look at the bright side.
“There’s a lot of respect for coach Cable just as there was a lot of respect for Art Shell when he was here.’’
Cable meets with the media for his weekly press briefing at 2 p.m.
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January 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Bring back the fat monkey.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm
4evaRaider Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 pm
AHHHHH YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BONUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Yes bring him back!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Cable is good.. but hue jackson is the one we need to keep…….
who would replace cable is hue doesnt?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Take that jama charles LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
I’m rolling w/ you Cable guy!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
YA, thats 1 example and its 20-25 years ago man!
nothing since then?
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Well, the Raiders certainly haven’t had a CB tandem the quality of Haynes-Hayes since then. Closest thing was Woodson-Allen, and Allen was a FA acquisition.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Keep staff together
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
4evaRaider, that’s splitting hairs, isn’t it? Kiffin was for all intents and purposes out when that big scandal broke right after the ‘07 season. Several reports had him out of the loop, predicting he’d either be fired before the ‘08 season or early in the season, and they were right. No reason to doubt the scope of their reports, that Kiffin was out of the picture the minute Al found out he was flirting with other jobs. Cable was a name thrown around as Kiffin’s replacement ALL THROUGHOUT that time, which tells me he was being groomed into the job. I don’t think those rumors were by accident. This was Cable’s 3rd year. And what could he accomplish in the first 6 games next year to nullify his past results, anyway? How about this…Al gives Cable 6 games next year…and if he’s not 4-2 in those 6 games, he’s gone. Would that be better? IF he doesn’t reach that goal, it would have been better to just replace him now. I like Tom Cable, but the long term success of this franchise is more important than Cable’s ego. He’s had several chances. Several. Pittsburgh was a tall order, they’re one of the best teams in football. And although I’d have like to seen the Raiders at least give the Steelers a game, I don’t blame Cable for losing that one. But Miami and Jacksonville? If I’m Tom Cable I’m pulling no punches against those two teams. They’re winnable games, and must win games. They were his true test, and he lost them both. He’s not a head coach in this league.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Al should hire me! I will get this O line playing old school Raider football!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 10:10 am
I know we all wanted to go to the playoffs this year, and with better coaching and QB play we could have…
But we have to realize the HUGE strides this team took this year. After 7 years of being the worst team in the league over that span, we accomplished a lot.
We SWEPT SAN DIEGO FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!!!
We hadn’t beaten SD in years!
WE swept the AFC West. That is HUGE for us.
Our offense was downright explosive several times this year.
Are there changes still needed, OF COURSE. But you don’t go from the depths of mediocrity like we were in to the Superbowl Champs in one season…
Things are getting better guys, and the rest of the NFL knows it as well…
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U need a dose of reality.
O was explosive against really weak defenses.
And what the NFL knows is that the AFC W is the second weakest div in the league.
Yeah, we beat SD. What’s also obvious is cycles show all teams dip, and SD did as well.
We got better, but are far from what you state, unfortunately
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 pm
It seems to me that the Raiders have done a great job of getting a bunch of players who have too much class to publicly trash their coach.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:08 pm
If Cable’s option isn’t picked up, I wonder if Jack Del Rio would be interested in coming to Oakland as HC.
It would be nice to see him as DC if Marshall isn’t re-hired, but he’d definitely get higher-paying offers as a DC elsewhere.
Hell, he’ll probably get higher-paying HC offers too. Who knows, though.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:09 pm
well MR post 9 as much as I hate to say it is about right on. I am all for keeping Cable but if history were to repeat it self its best to start now not 6 games into next season
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 pm
With pre-season, Cable is 11-9 this year. That is a winning season. Jackson hasn’t yet earned a HC job. I say stay the course, and build the O-line in April.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
So say…around 2pm we’ll find out if he stays?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Cable isn’t going anywhere.
He’s a yes man, and that’s #1 on Al’s application he hands out.
He’s also a “whatever you say, boss” guy, who doesn’t put up a single peep when Al tells him he’s hiring his staff, or that he’s losing his play calling ability, or that regardless of what he tells the press, Grad is not the starter. All important to Al. He also toes the company line regarding what Al allows him to say to the press.
Only thing more certain than Cable staying is that Al won’t give an inkling of that, if at all, until after the Super Bowl, just to milk it.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Don’t often agree with RMR, but post #9 more or less hits the nail on the head.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Jeff Jagodzinski has been fired as head coach of the Omaha Nighthawks.
The bad thing is We would have to go after someone like this someone Al can control and wasnt he a canidate a few years ago when Bc was doing so good?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Well, Al has two weeks to see what his options are for the head coaching position. A lot can happen in two weeks, and only Al truly knows what Al is cooking up…
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:14 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 pm
With pre-season, Cable is 11-9 this year. That is a winning season.
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man, talk about a stretch??
pre-season?
Had the Raiders gone 1-3 in preseason, would you be posting “with pre-season, the Raiders had a losing record, and Cable should go”? No, don’t think so.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Whenever I read these great tag lines from Raider lore I get all misty eyed:
“Committment to Excellence”
“Pride and Poise”
“The Greatness of the Raiders is in the Future”
…and now we can add to this great pantheon:
“We’re Not Losers Anymore”
**sniff**
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:17 pm
MR….
no….but even if Cable doesnt go 4-2 I say keep him.All the players play for him,buy into him.He is,in less than 3 years,molding a truly dominating O-line and a mean aggressive bust your jaw defense that these players see and believe,imo
But your 4-2 example is a good reference on where Cable should be,imo
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:17 pm
MR….
no….but even if Cable doesnt go 4-2 I say keep him.All the players play for him,buy into him.He is,in less than 3 years,molding a truly dominating O-line and a mean aggressive bust your jaw defense that these players see and believe,imo
But your 4-2 example is a good reference on where Cable should be,imo
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:19 pm
My question to you all…who would come here knowing that Al runs everything? Cable has been perfect for the job…now if Al can get a big name like a Harbaugh, then I’m all for it…
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:26 pm
WOW how I do dat?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Belichick took 2 years in New England.
S. Payton won his division his first year.
Tomlin wins Super Bowl his first year, and since he inherited Cowher’s team, it should be noted that Cowher won his division his first year, in 1992.
Andy Reid had the Eagles at 11-5 his second year.
Tom Coughlin was 11-5 his second year.
Just what team are you guys using as a standard when you say that the Raiders just need more continuity with their head coach? I’m trying to find a team in the league that gives any coach more than 3 years to come up with at least a winning record.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:28 pm
there is a split in the matrix
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:30 pm
With pre-season, Cable is 11-9 this year. That is a winning season.
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LOL!
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:31 pm
The mistake to change coaches now is that the 2011 season has a lot of uncertainties due to the CBA issue.
The most probable scenario would be a late start of the season, meaning that contact with players would be minimal to none until the issue is settled.
Bringing in a new staff would be disastrous right now for the up and coming Raiders, and at least there’s a general consensus and support for Cable from the players.
Blaming losses or praising victories entirely on Cable is non-sense. But there was significant improvement this season, and everything starts from Al Davis on down, no need to doubt he calls all shots, amazing for a man his age. Must respect that.
The current coaching carousel will go on with or without resolving the Cable situation.
I believe Al Davis will keep Cable and fill the needs with the draft, and with free agents once the CBA issue is resolved. Next season is reload and move up, no need to revamp. However, for 2012 all bets are off, baby.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:32 pm
4evaRaider, I’m trying to find an NFL team in the modern era that gives a coach more than 3 years to at least produce a winning record. Can you help me? Do you know of any? Save me some time. This is exhausting. I can’t find one team. I keep hearing in here that the Raiders need continuity. But it’s funny, I can’t find one team, at least not a successful one, in the modern era that keeps a coach on for more than 3 years when he hasn’t so much as produced a winning record. What gives?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:33 pm
i like cable, but if we have to pick between him and hue, i pick hue. by what im hearing hue is getting other offers. cant afford to have jason to have to learn another system. man now a days it seems coaches have loyalty to teams, if a team has a great season there assistants get plucked. they should do something about that, make them honor there contracts.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
All of those coaches don’t have an owner like Al who insists on doing it his way! I know that some of the plays are not his way that was done this year, ie. blitzing…but we have done more of it than in the past 8 years! But with that, the front 4 has learned to shed their blocks and become dominant in the pass rush game. Now we need them to figure out the run stop and its all good!
That is the one reason why I am for keeping Cable and staff together. They have gotten rid of the losing culture and the players, especially those who have been here since 2003 believing again! Al Davis even said it in his introduction speech of John Madden in the Hall…he’s a hard man to work for…
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
the count-down has begun
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Just how many years do you guys want to give Cable? 5? 5 YEARS WITHOUT A WINNING RECORD? Are you serious? Then what? An extension? 7 years? He just needs a couple of more years? I mean, after all, our biggest problem has been our lack of continuity, right? So why not give Cable an additional 3 years? That makes it 10. Then when an entire decade has gone by, and Cable’s still YET to produce a winning season, what then? Continuity, baby. Last thing we need is to just blow everything up and start over. After all, in Cable’s 10th season, we were 8-8! And, a few of those losses came down to field goals. What’s one more year?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:46 pm
I hate Bellechek, but he ranks up there with Madden, Lombardi, et al.
Cable? Well, he’d be cool to hang with in Vegas and come in handy if I got in a fight with my ex-wife.
That being said, I don’t think it would take much to find a better than an 8-8 coach.
As for JC, he reminds me of Jay Schroeder, pure Schizo.
Granted JC has shown improvement, but leave open the option of improving the position.
Hopefully Jed York jettison Troy Smith…the kid is a natural playmker.
With a year under his belt, JC is sure to beat out the likes of Brian Brohm, Trent Edwards and Orton…
Like, Cable, you make the switch if there is a considerable upgrade available.
You don’t replace a Chevy with a Dodge…
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:47 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
All of those coaches don’t have an owner like Al who insists on doing it his way!
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That’s not an excuse. Gruden did just fine. Take control of the team. If you need a certain player, tell Al to sign him, or you’re walking. Cable chooses to just sit there and take orders from Al. He has a lot of options. He can do what Kiffin did, take it public. Do whatever it takes. Don’t just sit there and be a door mat. That’s all the more reason to fire Cable.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:47 pm
i hope we keep bush
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:48 pm
“We’re not losers anymore” may possibly be the dumbest quote in America…
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
I think Cable deserves another year because he literally took the hardest head coaching job in the history of the NFL. The team was in the middle of the worst 7 year stretch in the history of the NFL, had very little talent and alot of wasted cap space, was forced to play the worst NFL qb ever, and had to work with Al Davis w/o choosing his own staff. If he doesnt get it done next year, by all means he should be fired. But that needs to be taken into consideration
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Those of you who say we can’t do better than Cable should really think about your words before saying something so foolish, especially with Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher, and Bill Parcells just sitting there out of the league. Yeh, Cable’s the best thing going. Sure. Listen to yourselves.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Just what team are you guys using as a standard when you say that the Raiders just need more continuity with their head coach?
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I am using the Raiders as the standard.
Gruden was 8-8 his first year with a real QB, so was Cable.
Cable has only had two training camps and offseasons as the coach. His first season in Oakland was thrust upon him and he just tried to keep people from bailing on the season in October.
Gruden was 8-8 his first two years. Cable is on his way.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Keep Cable. I want to see another year of this staff.
I think Hue can grow as a play caller which will help. The young guys get another year of continuity and growth.
Work on the line, get another QB, and some vet WR for depth. And figure out how to reduce the dead ball penalties and big plays on D.
And we take the SupaBo next season. Or at least have a shot.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:51 pm
# 100PercentRaider Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
I think Cable deserves another year because he literally took the hardest head coaching job in the history of the NFL.
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What does that mean? Why is the Raiders head coaching job the hardest in the NFL?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RMR there is ZERO chance of any of those guys working at 1220 HarborBay Parkway. Zero, nada, 0.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Norv Turner on getting fired (NFL Network): “Sometimes it helps when you know the guy firing you doesn’t know what he’s doing.”
Cut to Michael Lombardi: (laughing) “Norv [being] honest…” “Norv Turner at his finest.”
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 pm
I agree with Lowdown. The ONLY way you replace Cable is with a MAJOR upgrade.
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 pm
OAKlifer Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Al should hire me! I will get this O line playing old school Raider football!
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What you gonna do for preparation every week? No game planning or meetings, just run the Pit Drill all day everyday?
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:58 pm
man al is going to have to do some salary magic to resign our free agents.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Keep Cable! We need some stability.
This is my first post on this forum after 5 years or so of read-only. I’ve been a Raiders fan all of my life which stretches back to the mid-60’s. I currently live outside of Kansas City in Chiefs country.
This season I went to the neighborhood sports bar to watch almost every Raiders game and this is the first year in a long time that I wasn’t ashamed or apologetic to wear my Raiders sweatshirt. During this season, fans of other teams regularly came over to my table and gave me respect as a Raiders fan including many Chiefs fans yesterday. To be honest, it felt real good.
If any of Al’s people are reading this, PLEASE KEEP THE COACH!
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Cable has not had three full seasons. Kiffin coached the first four games of Cable’s first year, as we all know. So Cable is 17-27 as of right now, and I think that the Raiders can afford to give him one more year to produce that winning record and get to the playoffs. If you want to split hairs, here’s his record in 16 game sections:
Y1: 5-11
Y2: 5-11
Y3: 7-5
If we win 2 out of 4 to open the season, he will be 9-7 at the completion of his third full season. Does that mean extend him for another couple of years? No. It means that if he finishes out the season and we do not make the playoffs, then it’s time to look in another direction. The thing is, I don’t think Cable’s record the last few years is going to make a damn bit of difference in if he stays or not. I think it is going to come down to whether Jackson wants a head coaching job or not. If Davis decides he has promote Jackson to keep him, Cable will be out of a job, which I think will be a shame, because I think he is a good coach for this team. Fair? Not really, but what in life is?
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:08 pm
47.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 pm
I agree with Lowdown. The ONLY way you replace Cable is with a MAJOR upgrade.
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That wouldn’t be difficult….who is your local HS coach? Probably a better coach than Cable.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Cable earned another year by his 6-0 performance in the division. Changing the head coach now would be pure insanity unless it was John Gruden or John Madden (which is NOT going to happen). If AD fires TC, then he will confirm he’s the loony owner many think he is. The last thing this team needs is another new HC. HC continuity is important and to upset that cart now could totally destroy the good things that have been accomplished this last year.
AD needs to focus all his efforts on signing the following key players:
• M. Bush – Starting #2RB
• Z. Miller – Starting TE
• M. Huff – Starting Safety
• R. Seymour – Starting DT
• R. Gallery – Starting LG
• S. Satele – Starting C
• H. Eugene – Starting ST
• S. Routt – Starting RCB
• M. Henderson – BU OT
• J. Henderson – Starting #2 DT
and, bringing in key FA’s. The draft will be more important than ever because we don’t have a #1 pick this year so every one that we do have must really count.
Let the Cable guy stay. Beef up the O-line, Bring in some additional WR & QB help, draft a new C, ROT & ORG, DT & OLB, convert DHB to a CB and it will be playoffs and who knows what next year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:10 pm
JFB, what do you mean Cable was 8-8 in his first year with a real QB? Why didn’t he have a real QB in 2009? Was there no QB on the roster capable of getting the job done? If not, why didn’t he give Al the ultimatum of either getting him a real QB, or he’d resign? What kind of coach would just accept not having a solid QB, or would allow the best QB on the roster to ride the bench? Answer: One with no spine. No thanks.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:11 pm
# JLofty Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RMR there is ZERO chance of any of those guys working at 1220 HarborBay Parkway. Zero, nada, 0.
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False. The only way there is zero chance is if they’re dead.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Dakota, STFU! You thought Kiffin had the team headed in the right direction!
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Yeah Al, pick up Cable’s option….it is a two year option you know, so when you fire him after 2011 you will still owe him the $2.5 million for 2012!
We’ve seen enough to know Cable isn’t HC material Al, let the guy walk and move on to a legit HC NOW. We are 8-8 and the job looks much better to potential HC candidates…strike while the iron is hot.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Jeff Jagodzinski has been fired as head coach of the Omaha Nighthawks
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thanks for the info.
we FINALLY know now what team is considering Hue Jackson for a Head Coaching position!
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:16 pm
I simply reject this notion that this wasn’t Cable’s 3rd year. Kiffin was on the outs the minute that big scandal broke after the ‘07 season. Since that time, Cable was being groomed for the job. Remember all of those “In Cable I Trust” comments in here? Why would fans suddenly just start bringing him up? He was the offensive line coach! What fans are that cognitive of their team’s o line coach? Give me a break. Cable was probably only hired as a backup to Kiffin in case Kiffin didn’t work out, because it’s really funny when fans start calling for the o line coach to be prommoted…and suddenly he is! LOL
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Who’s out there? You cannot replace Cable with someone else that is not HC material? If there is one in the waiting, then I’m all for it…
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Gruden…Cowher..Parcells…Several successful college coaches. Give me a break. Who’s out there. LOL. Yeh, right. Who’s out there better than Tom Cable? LOL
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Hue Jax + Bruce Almighty = UFL championship!
wait … can Grads hold up for 8 straight games ???
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:40 pm
It’s not that there’s no one better than Tom Cable. It’s that there are few guys better than Tom Cable who would consider coming to Oakland.
Wouldn’t mind seeing Hue as HC with McDaniels as OC. Not sure how I’d feel about McDaniels as HC, but at least he wouldn’t be able to make roster moves.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:40 pm
It’s not that there’s no one better than Tom Cable. It’s that there are few guys better than Tom Cable who would consider coming to Oakland.
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So, make them consider coming to Oakland.
How long has Al Davis been in this business?
He doesn’t know how to offer a coach a competitive contract?
Is he retarded?
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Gruden!!!
That is hilarious. I want some of what you’re on.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Del Rio will stick in Jacksonville, so there goes at least one guy who might have considered coming here.
John Fox apparently doesn’t want anything to do with Oakland.
I’m really not sure who else would be an option for the Raiders at this juncture. And the DC spot is still a question mark since Marshall’s contract is up.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
When you say we should get a coach that will work with Al, what does that mean? does it mean having a coach who will allow Al to force his will on them? That’s not “working with” someone. That’s being a puppet and allowing yourself to be scapegoated. Spineless coaches like that have been our downfall.
January 3rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
# ArchiveTony Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm
U need a dose of reality.
O was explosive against really weak defenses.
And what the NFL knows is that the AFC W is the second weakest div in the league.
Yeah, we beat SD. What’s also obvious is cycles show all teams dip, and SD did as well.
We got better, but are far from what you state, unfortunately
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Sorry Tony. But it is YOU who needs a dose of reality!
Last time I checked we didn’t just beat San Diego. We SWEPT San Diego. Big difference there if you open your eyes.
San Diego was near the top of the league in defense so what are you talking about, we were only explosive against really “weak” defenses???
Kansas City and Seattle are also no defensive slouches either, and both of those teams are in the playoffs so again you fail buddy.
The Raiders are back and you need to accept it. Or you can continue to wallow in your mediocrity. It’s your choice.
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:51 pm
So make John Fox want something to do with Oakland. That doesn’t make any sense. “He doesn’t want anything to do with Oakland”, as if there’s no reason for that. Whatever reason is that he wants nothing to do with Oakland, make that right. I think there’s better coaches out there than Fox, anyway. Al should make a move for Gruden.
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:53 pm
So, make them consider coming to Oakland.
How long has Al Davis been in this business?
He doesn’t know how to offer a coach a competitive contract?
Is he retarded?
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No, but he’s stubborn and thinks that he doesn’t have to pay his coaches. He also won’t give his coaches the power to implement their own schemes, hire their own assistants, and choose the roster. That’s always how its been. I hope he changes, but I’m not going to hold my breath.
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:53 pm
you mean “work with” Al the way the president has been working with Republicans? No thanks. There’s a fine line between “working with”, or “compromising”, and just flat out being a beeyatch. The last thing we need is a coach who’ll work with Al. Everyone knows Al is crazy. Any head coach who gets hired here had better do what Gruden did, and what Kiffin at least tried to do. So what if Al fires them. Didn’t hurt Kiffin’s career. Didn’t hurt Gruden’s. Al sent Gruden right to immortality. SB victory his following year. There’s much bigger rewards in standing up to Al than there is “working with” him. LOL.
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Tom Cable-“we’re not losers anymore!”
Actually Tom, with a overall head coaching record of 28-62 you are going to be a loser for a long looooong time!
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:54 pm
I hear you on the money, Young American. Al can hire anyone on the cheap if he wants to. Is that what he did with Cable? And you guys want to keep him? LOL.
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Don’t know about you guys, but all I want is some farking continuity….
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:57 pm
“Cable And Tester TxT
I’ll share more if we get more, but, so far this has been my conversation via Text with Oakland head football coach Tom Cable.
DT. Nice win against Kansas City Tom
TC. Thank You David !
DT. Is the Old Man buying into what you are trying to do yet
TC. I really don’t know
DT. Are you going to keep your job, or is he going to fire you
TC. Business as usual.
That was the end of the conversation or at least what I can share with you right now. I’m not sure if it means business as usual, Al Davis is a “tool” or business as usual “I’m still the coach.”
Tom earned the right to keep his job, but, he may not, and if that happens as the best offensive line coach in the business and I would say viable head coaching candidate after dealing with the Davis debacle and still going 8-8, Cable will be employed next year. Just maybe not with the Raider nation.”
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:57 pm
All MaddenRetard wants is Gruden.
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Just a few weeks ago, RMR, you were lambasting people around here for defending Al Davis. Now when everyone here is pointing out the obvious flaws in Davis’ management style, you refuse to acknowledge it. The thing is, you know better. You just want to troll instead.
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:58 pm
I agree with Lechler. We dont need to start all over again. I’m so done with the musical chair. anyone that stopped 7 losing seasons deserver another shot.
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:58 pm
*deserves
January 3rd, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Dakota, Cable’s “we’re not losers anymore” sealed his fate. Al never thought they were losers. Always thought they were just a player or two away. “the mystique” is still there. Al has said that, when the Raiders were at their worst. When Cable says they’re not losers anymore, he’s implying that all of that time Al thought the Raiders still had the mystique, were just a player or two away…they were nothing more than losers. He’s gone.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:01 pm
I think there is a pretty good chance of Gruden coming back. What do you think MaddenRetard?
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Al has a tendency to pick young, semi-obscure up-and-comers who have little or no head coaching experience in the NFL. He doesn’t have to pay them much because they just want a crack at a HC gig, and if it doesn’t pan out with Al they’ll at least have a resume that will get them jobs elsewhere.
Personally, I don’t know who many fits the above description outside of Hue Jackson. Any ideas?
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:02 pm
“We’re not losers anymore”…meaning, the Raiders were “losers”, in his mind, when they hired him. He was hired by losers, and turned them into winners, well, really, turned them into ‘non losers’, at .500. LOL. Al would have him killed if it were legal. It’s a matter of time before the story breaks. And it’s a good thing because we have to rebuild anyway. Cable’s had 3 years. That’s the industry standard. He’s had 2 big changes to prove himself at the end of this season, against Jax and Miami. Fail, and fail. Then the “we’re not losers anymore” comment. It’s a wrap.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Young team needs consistency. Cable stays
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Young team needs good coaching. Cable must go.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Al needs to have a tendency to pick any coach that will win, if he wants to win. Does Al want to win, or not?
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:06 pm
I think some of you don’t like Cable because he beat down your boy Gruden. Threw him out of the playoffs and out of a job.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Cable needs to be retained.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:07 pm
The consistency argument was last year’s argument. 3 years is the industry standard. You get 3, that’s it. This was Cable’s year to “cut it loose”, (his words). 8-8 is not cutting it loose. It’s where he should have been his first year. Second year at worst. He really should have been fired last year. Any organization that knew what they were doing would have. He was on borrowed time this year. Knew he had to win or else. Comes up short. Bye.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Cable needs to be retained. One more year..
Agree with kell
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
If Cable isn’t retained I am going to become a Laker and a Yankee fan…
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Young American, I don’t know why you’re explaining Al’s philosophy of hiring young, unexperienced coaches. Sports teams hiring coaches on the cheap is nothing new. I don’t know why you try to explain it like it’s some kind of unique philosophy that sets Al apart. LOL. It just puts him right there with the Bidwells and Sterlings. He’s part of a big flock of sheep who’ve owned sports teams and screwed their coaches.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:10 pm
90.Kevin Flynn Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Cable needs to be retained. One more year..
Agree with kell
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Unfortunately, it is a 2 year extension. Think Al wants to pay Cable $2.5 million in 2012 when Al knows odds are Cable will be gone after 2011?
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Trying to mythologize Al being a cheap skate. LOL. As if it’s that deep.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Keep Cable and smash-mouth football.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:11 pm
If not Cable then who?
Cowher? Won’t happen
Gruden? Already happened
Harbaugh? Probably been turning Al down the past few
Hue Jackson? Really? nah
Josh McDaniels? Wouldn’t put it passed Alister D
Who?
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Cable’s first year was for 12 games as INTERIM HC. It doesn’t count as a true year. To say he’s had three years isn’t fair.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:12 pm
This young team at times looked dominant this season. When Cable got the job the tream was a JOKE. There has been obvious progress. They dominated the division and got dominated outside of it. Going forward, would you rather have it the other way around? Barring a Jim Harbaugh or Jeff Fisher miracle, the Raiders need to stay the course.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Who wouldn’t Cowher or Gruden come here?
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Why wouldn’t Cowher or Gruden come here?
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:12 pm
When Cable got the job the tream was a JOKE.
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Yeh, so he said yesterday.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
97.Orthodoxdj Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Cable’s first year was for 12 games as INTERIM HC. It doesn’t count as a true year. To say he’s had three years isn’t fair.
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Oh J.H. Cripes, the man is 17-27 in oakland and 28-64 overall as a HC. How much more evidence do you need to see that the guy isn’t qualified for the job? Decent o-line coach, that is it. Keep it simple for the guy and he is okay.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Haven’t seen the Raiders this physical on either side of the Ball in years.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:15 pm
MaddenRetard, Gruden is not coming back. Face it.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Young American, I don’t know why you’re explaining Al’s philosophy of hiring young, unexperienced coaches. Sports teams hiring coaches on the cheap is nothing new. I don’t know why you try to explain it like it’s some kind of unique philosophy that sets Al apart. LOL. It just puts him right there with the Bidwells and Sterlings. He’s part of a big flock of sheep who’ve owned sports teams and screwed their coaches.
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Did I say it sets Al apart? Did I say he did it for any reason other than it doesn’t cost him much and because inexperienced guys are more likely to be yes men?
You make up things in your mind, RMR. You frequently project the notion that people are trying to defend Al Davis into posts that, if anything, are critical of him. You do it all the time, like you have some sort of sick obsession with him. You’re mentally ill.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Can’t believe people keep mentioning Josh McDaniels. Boy needs to be on someone’s VERY short leash, not trying to lead a football team.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Yeh, Al Davis prefers head coaches who are inexperienced, so he can give them an opportunity to coach in the NFL, plus this saves him money. Yeh. In other words, he’s a cheap skate who hires coaches with every intention of screwing them. He’s so special.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:48 pm
“We’re not losers anymore” may possibly be the dumbest quote in America…
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Yeah, that was kind of desperate wasn;t it?
Your other line in your previous post was also correct:
“You don’t replace a Chevy with a Dodge”.
Unless Harbaugh is coming, in which case I want him to bring Luck with him, then it makes sense to stick with Cable-at least for the last year of his option and the remaining year on what I think is Hue’s two-year contract.
Cable won’t have been HC for three years until the 6th game next year.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:19 pm
The Raiders are playing better than they have in 8 years and some want to get rid of the coach????
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Adjusting the Practice schedule for Eastern Time Zone games was brilliant, as well.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Kell, no doubt the Raiders are far better. Cable stuck up to Al enough to get the Raiders back to that respectable 8-8 area. But that’s it. Al still pushes him around, and you could see Al’s signature on most of the lofty play that led to our losses this year. Basically it took Cable 3 years to do what it only took Gruden ONE YEAR to do. We need a real head coach. It’s old.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Cowher and Gruden and other won’t come because they want to implement their own schemes, pick their assistant coaches, and have control over the roster. Until Al gives his coaches a little more power, the “big-name” guys won’t come here.
Gruden asked for those things, and Al shipped him out of town.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Cable meets with the media for his weekly press briefing at 2 p.m.
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Jerry?????
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:24 pm
# 89706Raider Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Can’t believe people keep mentioning Josh McDaniels. Boy needs to be on someone’s VERY short leash, not trying to lead a football team.
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Well, if there’s one team where he’ll have a short leash…
Don’t like him as an HC candidate, but as an OC if Hue takes over as HC? Maybe. McDaniels is good with quarterbacks, anyway.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:24 pm
A league source tells Profootballtalk.com that the 49ers may ultimately not hire Trent Baalke as GM, and instead opt to pair Michael Lombardi with Jim Harbaugh as general manager and head coach.
“Lombardi and Harbaugh have a close relationship,” the source said. “I think Lombardi is ending up there.” Baalke was initially expected to be hired “within 48 hours” midway through last week, but it was never announced. Lombardi and Harbaugh also spent time together in Oakland, when Lombardi oversaw some personnel decisions and Harbaugh coached quarterbacks. It’s a match that would likely be much more appealing to fans.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:24 pm
LOL
Report: Brett Favre sued for sexual harassment
Posted on: January 3, 2011 6:00 pm
Edited on: January 3, 2011 6:21 pmScore: 103
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If it seemed that Brett Favre would move out of the public limelight until training camp next year, well, sorry — he’s reportedly being sued for sexual harassment by two massage therapists that worked with the New York Jets.
According to Good Morning America, Christina Scavo and Shannon O’Toole filed a lawsuit in the Supreme Court of the State of New York on Monday against Favre, the Jets and Lisa Ripi, who hired massage therapists for the Jets. (Note that this is not related to any sort of potential litigation involving Jenn Sterger, which might have some forensic issues, but could still come.)
The suit alleges a number of scandalous items, including the allegation that Favre texted Scavo and other unidentified therapists seeking to “get together.” In addition, Good Morning America reports that, according to the lawsuit, Favre allegedly attempted to persuade multiple therapists into having a threesome with the quarterback.
The allegations also include a number of other instances where Favre sent — surprise, surprise — text messages to the masseuses seeking what would appear to be some sort of sexual interaction.
And perhaps worst of all, the masseuses claim that when they complained about Favre’s behavior (at one point, Scavo’s husband supposedly called Favre to demand an apology), they were not offered work with the Jets again.
“I suspect that this case is only the tip of the iceberg with respect to the harassment and discrimination experienced by women working for NFL teams and their players as well as all of men’s professional sports,” Elizabeth Eilender, the attorney for Scavo and O’Toole said in a statement to ABC News. “I hope that Ms. Scavo’s and Ms. O’Toole’s courage to bring this suit will empower other women to come forward without fear of retaliation and retribution in order to protect their livelihoods and self-respect.”
Obviously, Favre was fined $50,000 by the NFL for a failure to cooperate with the league’s investigation into allegations involving communications between Favre and former Jets’ sideline hostess Jenn Sterger.
At the time of Sterger incident coming under public scrutiny, Deadspin.com also published a report about additional women being sent messages from Favre. Without making ANY conclusion that relates to the guilt or innocence of either party, it’s pretty obvious that the two stories align in a similar manner.
All of that is to say that, barring this lawsuit not actually being real or a speedy settlement, the world shouldn’t plan on not talking about Brett Favre any time soon.”
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Young American, why doesn’t Al just give Cowher that kind of power?
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Some might like to bring in McDaniels as OC but it’d be like having an ambitious KIffin hanging around.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
7 minutes ago – Tom Cable on an ESPN report that it’s unlikely that he’ll return as coach next season: “Whoever says it or writes it probably doesn’t know what the hell they’re doing. You can quote that.” Raiders RapidReports
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11 minutes ago – Tom Cable said he has yet to sit down with team owner Al Davis to discuss the season and whether he’ll return as coach next season. “I’m going to rest for a few days here, seriously,” Cable said. “We’ll have a chance to meet sometime in the next two weeks, I’m sure. But nothing has been set up.” Raiders RapidReports
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17 minutes ago – If offensive coordinator Hue Jackson takes a head coaching job with another team, Tom Cable said he wouldn’t take on those duties again, assuming he returns as Raiders coach. “I like how it works now. I think it would be wise of me … to hire someone to do those things.” Raiders RapidReports
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24 minutes ago – Coach Tom Cable said it was a “big help” to have Hue Jackson take over his role as offensive coordinator this year. “I think it allowed me to touch the entire team and have deeper, more solid relationships with everyone, rather than just the group that I’m so dialed into all the time.” Raiders RapidReports
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January 3rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Apparently Sidney Rice and the Vikings haven’t even talked about a new contract yet.
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:29 pm
3 minutes ago – Tom Cable on whether he expects to return as Raiders coach next season: “I hope so. I hope so.” Raiders RapidReports
Tags: Tom Cable
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:29 pm
RMR, you’d have to ask Al. He hasn’t given a coach that kind of power yet, I don’t see it happening now. It is what it is. Unfortunate, but nothing can be done until Al relinquishes control or shuffles off this mortal coil…
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Romanowski had it right on Schefter’s Cable “exclusive”, when he said “he made it up” because no one knows what Al is going to do.
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:19 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 3:29 pm
RMR, you’d have to ask Al.
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Why don’t you ask him? You know everything about him. You’re the one professing to us why Al does this or that. I’m just wondering why this guy clearly doesn’t care about winning.
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:26 pm
M post #1104 was funny as hell in the last thread and very true. lol
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:28 pm
27.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 3rd, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Belichick took 2 years in New England.
S. Payton won his division his first year.
Tomlin wins Super Bowl his first year, and since he inherited Cowher’s team, it should be noted that Cowher won his division his first year, in 1992.
Andy Reid had the Eagles at 11-5 his second year.
Tom Coughlin was 11-5 his second year.
Just what team are you guys using as a standard when you say that the Raiders just need more continuity with their head coach? I’m trying to find a team in the league that gives any coach more than 3 years to come up with at least a winning record.
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Did any of these teams waste A LOT of money on FA that NEVER produced (not Cabes doing)? Did any of these teams draft JaWalurs ( not Cabes doing)? Did they have sorry azz scrubs at ALL posisition on the O=line the first 2 years ( not Cabes diong)? How about the franchises… were they LOST, having no idea how to win?
Cabes took over a team that had NO good WR’s, sorry O-line, poor tackling, NO pass rush, No int’s, horrible run D, NO QB!…
Looks like Cable made Filet Mignon out of a COW PIE!
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Why didn’t Cable intervene with those FA transactions, and demand that Al cut the ones that aren’t playing well and replace them with better players? Your whole argument is founded on the idea that Cable is a spineless twirp. And you want to keep him?
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:36 pm
You call 8-8 “Filet Mignon”? LOL. Why am I even bothering.
January 3rd, 2011 at 5:46 pm
I’m proud of my beloved Raiders this year. They didn’t give up on games when they got behind as in the recent past. Lots of people on this blog said they’d be happy to see improvement to 8-8 this year… I’m one of them. Those who smugly predicted 4-12 or 5-11 can go pound sand.
Give Cable and Campbell another year. Keep Dmac and Bush. Draft to improve the O-line (although I must say they also improved at the years end.) Replace DHB with a vet. Draft a bargain QB to develop (Kaepernick?)
Go RAIDERS!!! .. forever
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Everyone knows who makes the personnel decisions. Everyone knows who hires the staff.
Everyone knows that a proven coach won’t come here because of who wields the power, and how he wields it.
Everyone knows whose philosophy dominates the scheme, especially on defense.
A proven winner in the NFL does not, with all the other jobs available, have to or need to work under those cicumstances. This is why we get the coaches we get, and everyone knows that, too.
Cable took a team that had lost more consistently than any team in NFL history, helped remake a large portion of the roster with players who wanted to play hard, and in less than three years got the team to 8-8, and swept the division. The players want to play for him. The performances were unven, granted, but his offensive coordinator was in his first year of NFL playcalling and made a mess out of the QB situation, his wide receivers were terrible, and he had a rookie MLB and very young players at other key positions. No doubt this team will improve again next year, and with a very young roster continuing to improve and a few key additions this team has a chance to not only win the division but win in the playoffs. You just don’t start over once things have begun to turn around.
January 3rd, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Still miffed that Davis traded Gruden to the Buccaneers after ‘01. And still remember the press at the time. Most were of the opinion that Davis got the better of the deal, even as they were trying to figure out what it meant for a coach to be traded. But what sane organization changes the head coach when a team is so close? None other than the Raiders, to my knowledge. That includes such models of sanity as D. Sterling, Robert Irsay, Art Modell, and Bud Adams. But Davis does it in ‘02.
What that tells me is that Davis thinks HE is the ultimate decision maker, not the head coach. Any head coaching change in Oakland doesn’t reflect the coach’s ability to succeed, but the coach’s ability to succeed while doing it Al’s way. Cowher won’t do it Al’s way. Neither will Parcels. Or any other high profile coach. That’s part of being a high profile coach. You have ideas of your own, a style, an approach to the game.
Problem is, I don’t think Cable’s version of Al Davis football is as adaptable as Gruden’s. Hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see it going to the Super Bowl.