Sooner, rather than later?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, January 14th, 2011 at 9:18 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders owner Al Davis is getting close to naming his ninth head coach since moving back to Oakland in 1995, and indications are no one will be surprised, beat writer Steve Corkran reports.
Unlikely to make any kind of announcement while games are being played Saturday and Sunday, indications are that Hue Jackson will be named coach No. 9 in the near future, possibly early next week.
According to senior assistant John Herrera, Davis has been busy wrapping up staff evaluations. There have been no confirmations of any coaches leaving the staff for other jobs. The Raiders typically sign assistants to two year deals, which means the only coaches who may be under contract for 2011 are Jackson, defensive line coach Mike Waufle and secondary coach Kevin Ross.
It is not unusual for assistants to stick around and work even after their contracts expire as they wait and see where they fit with a new staff.
If reports out of Dallas are true, one coach who won’t be rejoining the Raiders is former defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, who is reportedly closing in on a deal for the same position with the Dallas Cowboys.
For what it’s worth (absolutely zero to me because I don’t bet), my picks for Saturday are Pittsburgh over Baltimore and Green Bay over Atlanta. I’ve got Chicago over Seattle and New England over the New York Jets on Sunday.
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January 14th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
What’s your SB tip Jerry?
—-SB LIST—-
——12 Teams Alive——
Thec07 – Pats vs Eagles
GG – Chiefs vs Packers
SilverNBlackPA – Pats vs Falcons
Dirt-Lot Football – Pats vs Falcons
Hwnrdr – Steelers vs Falcons
860Todd Christensen – Pats vs Eagles
Plunketthead – Colts vs Packers
Carl Weathers – Ravens vs Bears
Midwest Fan – Steelers vs Packers
Just Fire Baby – Pats vs Saints
Raiderzmaverick – Pats vs Bears
CanuckRaider – Steelers vs Saints
—–8 Teams Alive—–
JonTrain – Ravens vs Packers
Bcz24 – Pats vs Packers
RaiderRockstar – Pats vs Falcons
RedneckRaider – Ravens vs Falcons
Dakota – Pats vs Packers
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January 14th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
hey jerry.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
how good is darren mcfadden?
January 14th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
1664 yards
5.2 YPC
10 TDs
goooood
January 14th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYmj2NGjBnw
Mcfadden
January 14th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
i dont believe it al never names a coach till after the superbowl the man is slower than molasses.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Can we please get a new WR coach?
And some new WRs? Keep Murphy and Ford, then dump all the others.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Raider75 Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Can we please get a new WR coach?
And some new WRs? Keep Murphy and Ford, then dump all the others.
…………….got to keep chaz he had a good year!
January 14th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
I was kind of disappointed when Clancy Pendergast bailed on the Raiders a few weeks after getting hired. He did a great job with that Cardinals secondary – after he left they looked flat-out terrible.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Dakota,
LMAO
Trojan was White? I thought he was a Roman Emperor.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Raider O Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Dakota,
LMAO
Trojan was White? I thought he was a Roman Emperor
……….dah trojan is a condom………
January 14th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
I’m going to keep holding out hope for Chaz to finally have his breakout year. First things first – he has to get through training camp in one piece.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
No more talk about Gruden EVER coming back please.
If it ever was gonna happen this would have been the time wouldn’t it?
Well, Hue Jackson huh?
Okay.
I was pulling for the polka dot midget.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MBqsS7dZSg
more mcfadden
January 14th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
chaz already had a breakout year !!!he broke his leg ,he broke his ankle ,he broke his wrist!!!
January 14th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Dakota,
It’s Trajan (according to wiki).
January 14th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Well if just those coaches are still here I’m happy with that, wauffle to me is showing this D line how to get to the qb… And I’m a big time huejack fan…. My picks for 2morrow are steelers over Baltimore because Flacco isn’t as good as rothlesberger but these teams are pretty much even…. Pitt 24 Bal 20….. Atlanta over greenbay is Matty ice’s coming out playoff party…. Look for perennial hall of famer Gonzales to have red zone field day (Woodson could never cover Gonzales when they were matched up)… Atl 28 cheeseheads 27…..
January 14th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
These guys will beg for Gruden with their final breaths on earth even if he’s DEAD.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Raider o, i already corrected that misspelling….and does this guy look white?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Traianus_Glyptothek_Munich_336.jpg
January 14th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
i like watching the game at home on tv when i go too the stadium i can never see the yellow line that tells you where the first down is ,its always broke when i go too a game.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
anybody might remember “Klatu barada nikto”, but few know the more significant “Imre Klatu nahruwat patro pavao baraso lukdoselenpetis yabotari axo barengi degas.”
January 14th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
M what??
January 14th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
anybody might remember “Klatu barada nikto”, but few know the more significant “Imre Klatu nahruwat patro pavao baraso lukdoselenpetis yabotari axo barengi degas.”
………………i know him he has a burritto stand near the 30 yard line.
January 14th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
anybody might remember “Klatu barada nikto”, but few know the more significant “Imre Klatu nahruwat patro pavao baraso lukdoselenpetis yabotari axo barengi degas.”
…………….yeah i have his jersey…
January 14th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
McFadden is a Beast with a nasty stiff arm.
I like that block for JC against the Ravens DL.
BEAST who runs a sub 4.3 with a Nasty stiff arm. I wanted the kid from The OSU.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Can’t wait ’til presser want to see what Hue has to say.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Dakota,
YES! Yes he does!
LOL
January 14th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Septimius Severus
January 14th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Imre Klatu nahruwat patro pavao baraso lukdoselenpetis yabotari axo barengi degas.
Rough translation: I really want sowerkrout with my polish sausage you blind dago.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
I heard of Nahruwat.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Lakers win. Yeah baby!
January 14th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
We only have 24 weeks left before pre-season starts.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
jets sign Nnamhdi cut cromartie raiders sign cromartie.savings 8 mil.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
great article if you havent read it….
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/461018-oakland-raider-owner-al-davis-back-from-the-dead-to-make-another-run
January 14th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Sorry, make that 22 weeks. See, it’s getting closer already.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Dakota,
I lived in Amman (Biader wadi sir), but I miss Perta and Aqaba. I want to own a house in the subs of Amman (nice view), and a an apartment in Aqaba. No tariffs/ taxes in Aqaba.
Both house (great house) and apartment (180+ squared M) cost less than a good house in SD.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Gruden was our coach a decade ago….. He’s gone so get over it…. Hue Jackson is in quit living in the past…. These raiders are our future and that’s just plain reality…
January 14th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
In French, a sabot is a wooden shoe. Many people believe that the word sabotage originated in the 1800s, when French workers threw their wooden shoes into machinery in order to shut down
factories.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Dakota,
I don’t need Freeways, Cable TV, etc…
I need a good house, good size lot with pool, barn, etc..
I love the ocean and surfing, but I like Fishing and and scuba too.
$350- 400k can do a lot more for me in Jordan.
Ask your friends here and the west cost if they plan any problems in that area? I hate to invest/ live in a war zone. Thank you.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
26.priesttj Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Can’t wait ’til presser want to see what Hue has to say.
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He will say “I want to thank priesttj for beleiving in me and I will do everything I can not to let him down. If I ever meet him, I’ll sign a football for him, and I’ll even draw a play on it too. Thank You and good night”.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
shane lechler replacement OWEN TOLSON at ARMY
January 14th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Great movie tip Pirates. “Downfall”, a German language flic with English subtitles about the fall of Berlin and the last days in the bunker. Powerful and accurate portrayal. The guy who plays Hitler, Bruno Ganz, is awesome. Check it out.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Well no more excuses for Hue and JaDrama Queen. They better put up at least 10-6 or else they gonna get their a$$ handed to them by the Nation.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Thanks Canuck. Netflix it is. Dude, you got netflix?
January 14th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Aig: No Netflix. I’m a dinosaur…DVD. It’s an intense movie. Best I’ve seen in a while. You try that Double Choc yet?
January 14th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Hue Jackson will be the best coach we have had since Gruden.
Now we need to find another Rich Gannon.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Canuck,
Looked for it but couldnt find it now. Will keep an eye on the double choc. I love foreign flicks so it is next on my list.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
It looks like Rob Ryan will go to Dallas so I expect Huff to be going there too.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Kirk,
The key is will Hue kiss Al’s a$$ too much or will he actually try to convince Al to do the right thing. That’s why guys like Cable and Gruden were able to make the team competitive. They talked Al into letting bad apples go and worked hard to convince him to do the right thing. It’s not a coincidence we dropped bad apples the last few years and the lockerroom is diff now.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Aig: Yeah, a lot of foreign stuff blows away the crap put out by Hollywood these days. This film is wild. Got to go now…Mama Bear’s getting pissed. 12:43 AM here. Take care brother.
My picks for this weekend:
Pitt over Balt
Pack over Falcons
Bears over Seahawks
Patsies over Jets (That one hurt)
January 14th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
i am glad we did not pursue randy moss he would have been a republican (cancer)in the locker room!
January 14th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
I’ve been trying to convince myself that all is well in Raiderland but I just can’t do it. I wonder if my love for the team is blinding me to the reality of what we have here.
If you embrace the Raiders and what AL did with Cable, then you are trusting that Al Davis knows what he is doing.
I’m having trouble with believing he does, but I’m willing to accept any evidence that he does know what he’s doing if he’d only provide some.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Al to me is like that weird Uncle that everyone in the family jokes about but if someone outside the family makes fun of you get defensive and say “hey man, that’s my Uncle your talking about. Shut up”.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
DJ,
I used to be a hardcore AD guy but I have started to lose faith in that old geezer over the last few years. Believe me, I want Al to have his last glory run too. However, we have seen that Al sucks badly when he has a coach that is a Mr. Yes Sir Mr. Davis wimp. I sincerely hope Hue is not like that but he has shown signs of kissing Al’s rears so far. Skeptical but as a Raider fan I dont have a choice but to put up with it.
January 14th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Because Al doesnt allow the coach to discipline players…the key is how will the players respect Hue. I listened to Lechler talking about how Cable had to be a buffer between Al and the players and you sense that a good HC will have to do the same thing. I doubt Rob Ryan could ever do that. I sure hope Hue becomes his own man.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Who will we sign as our OC???
January 14th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Maybe it’s a good sign that Al is so unhappy with Cable’s 8-8 effort. The media and critics have plenty of time to wait for the Raiders to ever win another Super Bowl and they’re just fine if they never do, so naturally the media can say “Give Cable time. He’s got the team in the right direction and in time, you just might get to the point that u guys can compete with the big boys in the playoffs”, but Al is turning 82 this year, and what we may have going for us is the sense of urgency on the part of Al to get one more Lombardi before he checks out.
If that is the thought process going on with Al, then we can expect he will pull out all the stops to get that done SOON! Like NOW if at all possible.
Can he get it done? Will he bring in the players to get one more?
Maybe the best thing going for us is his sense of urgency.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
55.aig-raiders Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Because Al doesnt allow the coach to discipline players…the key is how will the players respect Hue. I listened to Lechler talking about how Cable had to be a buffer between Al and the players and you sense that a good HC will have to do the same thing. I doubt Rob Ryan could ever do that. I sure hope Hue becomes his own man.
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I get the sense that Hue IS his own man. He’s got that cocky attitude. A lot of personality. He’s not accepting this 8-8 record as an accomplishment like the media expects all of us to feel.
“Hey, you are the Raiders. Just be glad you are 8-8. Stay in your place. We don’t u guys getting TOO good now.”
January 14th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
“Cable was good for you guys. He’s not good enough for anybody else, but for you guys? C’mon. What. Did u guys think you were gonna go the playoffs and win a few?”
“Hey Cable is great. For you guys”.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Seahawks over Bears
Falcons over GB
New England over Jets
Balt over Pitts
BOOK IT!
January 14th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
al davis made out his will after going too different kindergardens and nurseries he has selected his next 20 years of draft picks and trades and will be a influence on the raiders long after he is gone.like in the year 2032 he has instructed amy trask to draft a qb billy bob palooza from tennesee .in the year 2047 he left instructions to fire coach bucky ryan who was born yesterday.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
new england**greenbay
31***************17
January 14th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
This is a country that loves and respects WINNERS. That’s why we hear so much about the Raiders past. All the garbage was dismissed back in the day because we were WINNING. We had respect. We were the bad boys. Al was a maverick evil genius and u could not discount our won loss % or the three Super Bowls, not too mention the highest winning % in all of pro sports for awhile, but past seven seasons have brought us nothing but ridicule and disdain, until this year.
We win again and Al and the Raiders get back the respect.
It’s all about WINNING.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Th only way Cable could be a buffer is if Big Al let him…………….period
The same will be true with Hue Mr Davis will let him be if he wins. Cable was given a lot of leeway but in the final analysis he didn’t win. So now it’s Hujacks turn to see if he can get it done. They all get what they want until he sees they can’t handle the responsibility and that became very clear with Cable.
He let Cable have too much say, he didn’t knwo what to do with it and he screwed up a playoff team……..period
January 14th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
andrew luck stanford =i want too play for the raiders andrew lucks agent= go back too school one more year the raiders are going to name hue jackson head coach and they will go 1-15 and pick you in 2012.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Dakota Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
I love the rooney rule, but I don’t think it goes far enough. I think each team should have to interview a black man, black woman, white man, white woman, Native American man, Native American woman, Asian man, Asian woman, latino man, latino woman…..and a cave man (Rob Ryan) and a cave woman (Rosie O’Donnell)
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You’re almost right. If you only had used the word “or”.
Dakota, I’m beginning you can’t defend your positions, without ignorance.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Is it all about winning, or is it all about showing up Tim Kawakami?
That’s the 64,000 question.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
DJ you playing the right tune tonite brotha because you’re closer to the facts than you know.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
If it was all about winning, Davis would have kept Tom Cable, and build upon winning.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Yeah sure KK and lose Hujack in the end. It’s like they said He saw Cenough of what Cable could do and it wasn’t enough. You don’t sweep the division and not make the playoffs and then make proclamatons about no longer being losers.
January 14th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Mr Davis, how many teams were after Hue Jackson. Did you have to fire Tom Cable?
Oh, I see, you save the salary.
Just you & Hue next year, baby!
January 14th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
hire the man already!
January 14th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
then someone get 2-4 REALISTIC humans at the neg table and get a CBA done. Do not kill the golden goose. Fools need to realize the world has changed and it’s not 2005 any more. Tools….
January 14th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
dale earnhardt jr and al davis have something in common .jr. has a nation wide race team he calls chance 2 racing,because he takes guys from the lower class’ and gives them a ride in a good quality car capable of winning every week and lets them race 2,3 or 4 races and then lets someone else drive a few weeks.he gives complete unknowns a chance 2 drive and a chance 2 show what they can do with no contract and his blessing to sign with anybody they can .and thats pretty much what al davis does ,every one say he calls all the shots,and always will for the last 50 years does anyone notice the similarities ,give a rookie a chance 2 to be head coach a couple years ,hardly a contract above asst coaches .(on the job interview for the rest of the leage)then change up to someone else ,even the good coaches like gruden a few years struck gold and cashed him in.cable had his chance 2 to coach ,now its hues turn and in a couple years it’ll be some one else .but the the real coach never changes we have had the same one for 50 years,but any asst.in the nfl would love a chance 2 try being a head coach,so why does dale jr.look like a hero for giving these unknowns a chance ,and al davis gets blasted for the same thing???????????????
January 14th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
al is waiting for the superbowl the falcons beat the patriots bellichik gets fired al picks him up!
January 14th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Priesttj Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Yeah sure KK and lose Hujack in the end.
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To whom?
January 14th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
29-83
January 15th, 2011 at 12:02 am
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January 15th, 2011 at 12:03 am
to whomever wanted him bad enough to sign him. To keep Cable means a 2-3 year contract in the interum what if Hue gets a huge offer from someone within that time. You’d look stupid extending Cable then firing him to keep Hujack. This team improved based on the exploits of Hujack not Cable. Why would you extend someone you don’t want???
January 15th, 2011 at 12:07 am
Priesttj Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:03 am
to whomever wanted him bad enough to sign him. To keep Cable means a 2-3 year contract in the interum what if Hue gets a huge offer from someone within that time.
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Did Hue get any offers?
January 15th, 2011 at 12:08 am
i think it has nothing to do with coaches there are three reasons the raiders had a better year,and they are jacoby ford and jacoby ford and jacoby ford!
January 15th, 2011 at 12:09 am
What you and others don’t want to accept is that he had his fill of TC he gave him more than anyone ever expected and he saw what he needed to see. That is the bottom line. He benched 2 of his starting QB’s and didn’t win. To hell with continuity for continuity sake I want a coach who can win on a consistent level and get the best out of his players and Cable didn’t do that.
I’m not sure about Hujack but I like him a lot better than I like Cable to be honest.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:12 am
Doesn’t mean he wont next year and if he does then what? Cable did what he could do and I’m grateful for that, but he is not a HC…………..period
January 15th, 2011 at 12:14 am
tom cable proved he was head coach when he back handed randy hanson across the room gaining the players respect!
January 15th, 2011 at 12:17 am
Priesttj Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:09 am
What you and others don’t want to accept is that he had his fill of TC he gave him more than anyone ever expected and he saw what he needed to see. That is the bottom line. He benched 2 of his starting QB’s and didn’t win.
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Al Davis, as General Manager, has a losing record over the last 20 years.
Gnite.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:17 am
I should say he’s not a difference making HC, he can coach and do a decent job but he’s not going to make a good team great. I’m not sure Hujack is either but I saw a huge difference on one side of the ball now can he elevate this team further is the $64,000 question.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:17 am
when hue jackson gets fired and they ask lechler about it his response will be no comment.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:21 am
lechler will not respect his coach and pooch it probably average 25 yards a punt.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:22 am
Gimmie some yes sir brown nosed love and I promise I will win my loyal anothuh suppa boll. I flow to my own music, and I like what I hearuh. Don’t none make me mad, cause I gotta blow hole the size of the Suppa Dome.
Jon be back. Me and him just workin outta a few words, Cable be back too. Art gonna be my enforcer, and Ryan be here, Bugel, White, Willie, Fred, and my main man, John.
Bringing it all home, the Raiduhs be back. And I am the world leader of the managing gerneral partnuhs.
I have spoken.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:25 am
al can not become world leader unless yardlines are painted on the earth.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:28 am
would you want al as world leader cause he would make all women dress in raiderette costumes.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:30 am
your picturing me as adrian peterson again arent you?
January 15th, 2011 at 12:39 am
Order of Supreme Al Madates:
1) Every bows and picks up a can of white paint and begins global yardline painting
2) All women dress in Raiderette costumes, absolutely no exceptions
3) No one refutes or rebukes any decisions from Al Mandates. Al Mandates may fire head coaches at Al Mandate whims and no opinions are allowed.
4) A losing record for over 20 years in no way mandates a losing organization with a losing leader. Actually, quite the opposite. It takes tremendous effort to be dysfunctional and producing a bad product takes a calculated skill, all the while remaining 1 of an elite 32 elite NFL teams. Yes, all 32 teams are elite. If not, there would be more. Duuhhh….
5) #4 Mandate to be respected by order of Al Mandates.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:54 am
if al was world leader you would be miserable your wife or gf would be ordered to wear a raiderette costume ,she would also be ordered too say one thing only (do you want another beer)how would it be if you had too hear that all day,and you would hear that seven days a week because al would order football be played 7 days a week 52 weeks a year, now think about it would you really want that?
January 15th, 2011 at 12:54 am
Do we need a HC for the team? Let the OC &DC take care of the respective units. Althought HueJack deserves it, no SOB should run the team without a real GM. Let Grandpa Al go back to the nursing home. I believe if the Raiders can bring back the key players for the fall season this team will the see the playoffs and beyond! So fans, let’s rock Grandpa Al to sleep. Make Hue Jackson HC and let him bring more life to the Offense and bring the excellence we knew again.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:17 am
Big AL? LOL, big Al is a feeble old man, but as old dictators go he reminds me of Castro. He is all but a myth now in certain peoples minds. Here is reality, we have an mid 80 year old GM/owner running the show with absolute power and no one will stand up to him within. It makes absolute sense he would get rid of Cable who had the backing and respect of the players to a man except for Campbell. He had to get rid of Cable because he made him look weak. As always with Al, he will shoot of his foot to spite himself. Can’t see this will help with selling tickets as a big part of the nation was behind Cable.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:22 am
Hue Jackson is looking towards the future via Lane Kiffin’s plan. Work for big Al a year and make a name. Only problem is the last coaches except for Norv, who was a legitimate x and o’s guy none of them have luck getting to be head coaches in the NFL. I am saying that they take a step backwards next year and go 6-10. They are going to lose to many players to free agency and they are going to lose too many seats in the stadium.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:25 am
# priesttj Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
You don’t sweep the division and not make the playoffs and then make proclamatons about no longer being losers.
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If Al’s kicker makes a chip shot at the end of the Arizona game, Cable’s Raiders make the playoffs. You worthless, lying shill.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:52 am
98.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 1:25 am
If Al’s kicker makes a chip shot at the end of the Arizona game, Cable’s Raiders make the playoffs. You worthless, lying shill.
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Actually, that would put us at 9-7 which doesn’t equal the 10-6 record that Kansas City earned to win the division…Maybe your brilliant self should ease up on calling people lying shills until you can figure out 2nd grade mathematics.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:31 am
Raider75 Says:
Can we please get a new WR coach?
And some new WRs? Keep Murphy and Ford, then dump all the others.
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You’re speaking intelligently and sensibly. What are you doing on this site?
January 15th, 2011 at 6:36 am
In a related story, after an exhaustive search it was discovered that Hue Jackson was the only candidate willing to accept the job of HC of the OR. His feeling was that if he can tough it out with Al for a year or two and get fired “with cause”, he would earn enough credibility among his peers to be lined up for another job in either the college ranks or with a legitimate NFL team.
Seriously, I wonder if Seymour is watching this circus and thinkng that he would gladly trade a little of the pile of money he has taken from Al for a chance to line up with his old team in a game that matters.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:41 am
GG Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
What’s your SB tip Jerry?
—-SB LIST—-
——12 Teams Alive——
Thec07 – Pats vs Eagles
GG – Chiefs vs Packers
SilverNBlackPA – Pats vs Falcons
Dirt-Lot Football – Pats vs Falcons
Hwnrdr – Steelers vs Falcons
860Todd Christensen – Pats vs Eagles
Plunketthead – Colts vs Packers
Carl Weathers – Ravens vs Bears
Midwest Fan – Steelers vs Packers
Just Fire Baby – Pats vs Saints
Raiderzmaverick – Pats vs Bears
CanuckRaider – Steelers vs Saints
—–8 Teams Alive—–
JonTrain – Ravens vs Packers
Bcz24 – Pats vs Packers
RaiderRockstar – Pats vs Falcons
RedneckRaider – Ravens vs Falcons
Dakota – Pats vs Packers
January 15th, 2011 at 6:47 am
I am piss poor at most things but especially when it comes to picking winners.
I went 3 – 1 last week but my Stuporbowl pic was Colts and thats the one I lost
Cheaters over Fat foot fetish dude
Packers over home depot
Terds over blackbirds
And for my upset I will ride the Pete Carrol bandwagon and pick the seaturtles over the overachieving, hibernating bears with putzhead at QB
January 15th, 2011 at 6:48 am
Since Colts lost I will replace them with the bellacheaters for a cheaters-packer SB
January 15th, 2011 at 7:03 am
GG—-SB LIST—-
——12 Teams Alive——
Thec07 – Pats vs Eagles
GG – Chiefs vs Packers
SilverNBlackPA – Pats vs Falcons
Dirt-Lot Football – Pats vs Falcons
Hwnrdr – Steelers vs Falcons
860Todd Christensen – Pats vs Eagles
Plunketthead – Colts vs Packers
Carl Weathers – Ravens vs Bears
Midwest Fan – Steelers vs Packers
Just Fire Baby – Pats vs Saints
Raiderzmaverick – Pats vs Bears
CanuckRaider – Steelers vs Saints
—–8 Teams Alive—–
JonTrain – Ravens vs Packers
Bcz24 – Pats vs Packers
RaiderRockstar – Pats vs Falcons
RedneckRaider – Ravens vs Falcons
Dakota – Pats vs Packers
Plunk – Pats – Packers
January 15th, 2011 at 7:37 am
# olinesux Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
great article if you havent read it….
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/461018-oakland-raider-owner-al-davis-back-from-the-dead-to-make-another-run
….
Nothing new here. Al rises from the dead every evening at sundown. All the undead do this.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Bleacher report? Seriously?
Any dead eyed troglodyte can post on that dumb azz site. If I wanted meaningless drivel I’d read RMR’s posts.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Bleacher Report typically has awful journalism and that piece linked above is only peeking above the surface of a better product.
However, they have made a few great observations/suggestions. All all out effort should be towards getting Jared Gaither in SNB. Move Veldheer to Center when he can be dominant. That move should boost the offensive lines performaance (esp if Gallery is re-inked).
2011 Oline: Gaither, Gallery, Velheer, Campbell, Walker/Henderson.
That’s a whole lot of talent!!!
January 15th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Contrary to many, I have always maintained that Veldheer would have been dominant at Center. It was the right move at the beginning of the season but at the wrong time!!!
And you know it was an Al Davis call (I believe) given the presser put out there on Veldheer starting at Center.
The only problem was Tom ‘freakin’ Cable! He totally fuk’d up that move. He didn’t even give Veldheer more practice time in preseason!!!!! Remember that! And the decides to start the damn guy opening day with few snaps under his belt!!!!
You all saw the major difference Veldheer made at center vs Satele. The middle was holding firm.
Satele had a better season than the past and Veldeer was decent at LT; but imho he can be DOMINANT at center. I still believe that.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:25 am
Samson Satele rated as a top #10 center this past year according to those O-line ranking websites.
Not sure why he gets so much hatred on here. He is arguably our best O-lineman.
Veldheer played well at times, but lead all NFL LT’s in penalties, and he didn’t even play 12 full games there when you consider the season opener and the switching with Henderson at the beginning.
Seems like a Barry Sims type prospect to me. Solid, not spectacular, probably never make a Pro Bowl, and way too many penalties.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Shall I go off the deep end and specualate madly?
So be it!
Al Davis drafted Veldheer to play center but Tom ‘freakin’ Cable wouldn’t oblidge. Instead he started giving Veldheer dual reps at LT and C; but never committing him to one.
Late in preseason Cable finally began to see the light of what Veldeer could be for the team if he held down that center spot. It could solidify the midde and give you a dominant player at that position.
But that bafoon completely fuk’d up the move. He compounded on a series of mistakes beforehand (not leaving Veldheer at center during OTAs and pre) with another boneheaded decision. HE SITS THE GUY FOR THE FINAL PRESEASON GAME!!! Rembember that!
Eveyone here was baffled. Instead of at least giving the guy all the reps you can, since he had very few before, you sit him and make him watch? Even in light of such stupidity we all kept hope that Cable knew what he was doing and Veldheer was ready.
It was a complete distaster! and a serious mismanagement of personell.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:27 am
NFL power ranking have the Raiders as the #1 rated run blocking team (3-way tie) up the middle.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_CENTER_POWER&d-447263-n=1&season=2010&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1
January 15th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Rushing to the right we were 2nd to last, and rushing to the left we were 14th.
RT is the biggest hole on our O-line.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:32 am
JFB – I gave Satele credit. He played a much better season this year than in the past. I’m happy for him.
What I’m getting at is ‘what could be’ with Veldheer manning that spot. It ‘could’ be much much better. Thats speculation on my part.
I believe the penalties you are getting from Veldeer are due to his deficiencies at that LT spot. Shorter arms etc. He jumps before the snap or holds to compensate for those deficiencies because he’ll get beat if he doesn’t get an edge otherwise.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:35 am
Veldheer “could be” a better C, but he also “could be” about what we saw in the Tennessee game.
Definately why it was a head-scratcher why he started the opener but didn’t play the week before.
Could be an Al Davis move, a Tom Cable botch job, or that they wanted to see if Satele was healthy enough in the preseason game, and turned out not to be.
We probably will never find out.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:35 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Rushing to the right we were 2nd to last, and rushing to the left we were 14th.
RT is the biggest hole on our O-line.
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Well I’ll correct that to say running between RT/RG. I don’t think Walker is that bad. CC, we all have at some point complained about. And have been crying to at least see Campbell (inlcuding Davis)
January 15th, 2011 at 8:42 am
If Walker and Carlisle hit the streets tomorrow, Walker will be hard-pressed to find any team offering him more than the vet minimum and a chance to COMPETE to start, and Cooper will get a few offers to start and much more money than Walker.
There is no doubt about that. People forget that when Carlisle came here, he was already a starter in Denver and the Ravens offered him a deal to start, and we had to pony up more money than the Ravens to get his services.
Ravens don’t run the ZBS, and Ozzie Newsome knows what he is doing.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:46 am
And I did not get Tom Cable’s mix-n-match at LT either. I can’t remember ever seeing that happen.
JFB – You could have a point. I’m not all gun-ho on Walker either so it makes me no difference. Like I wrote before ..a 2011 oline of
Gaither, Gallery, Veldheer, Campbell, Walker/Henderson
Looks pretty formidable to me.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Really curious to see what Al and Hue do with the QB position. Vince Young is my first choice, and I think a real possibility, though the odds are we stick with Campbell. McNabb is also out there. Don’t count Grads out if he outshines Campbell in the preseason again. Some backups with potential out there and guys who may not be resigned as well.
It’s a decision we better get right, because this team is built to win now and over the next 3-5 years. Of course that window can always be extended with smart pickups (look at NE & Indy) but you can’t count on that. This team has to grab it’s opportunity if Mr. Davis is going to get rings 4 and 5. And that will hinge on having a QB in place who can take us all the way.
Everyone likes to say how the Chargers or Cowboys or Eagles or Packers are so loaded with talent. And perhaps they’re right. But I think, man for man, we’re on the verge of being the most thoroughly talented team in the league.
McFadden, Bush, Miller, Murphy, Ford, a good mix of young and veteran linemen, Shaughnessy, Seymour, Kelly, Nnamdi, Houston, Huff, Routt, CJ37, Wimbley and the list goes on and on and we’ll have a chance to supplement that talent once again in free agency and the draft.
I realize many of those guys are free agents and we’ll have to lock them up, but again, the other half of the equation is putting a championship-caliber QB in place.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Sht I’ll even entertain Campbell at spots other than RG. The guy has the athleticism to play tackle …not sure about knee bend though
January 15th, 2011 at 8:50 am
I actually think Walker was pretty good for the most part this year. Sometimes he struggles with good speed rushers but he’s a powerful dude. What about this lineup from left to right:
Bruce Campbell, Gallery, Satele, Walker, Veldheer.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:50 am
I say start Soup next year, bring back Bruce as purely the backup and mentor to the rookie QB we draft this year.
Keep Frye’s number around in case on injury, and hope the rookie is ready to start in 2012, unless Campbell takes a monumental leap in year 7 of his career.
I’ll pass on McNabb and VY, and would only look at Carson if he gets waived (not giving up picks for acquiring him in a trade.)
Al might take a flyer on Matt Leinart or Alex Smith as well.
I just hope we land Andy Dalton, and it seems we may have to take him in the 2nd if so. 3rd round COULD happen, and no way in the 4th.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:53 am
When running to the right, we had the second most negative rushes, and we know the inability of Walker at times against speed rushers and blitzing LB’s.
Walker seems like a good dude, with the local ties, but I don’t see him as anything other than average at best.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:53 am
What you do with the QB question is an excellent question considering the possibilities.
We don’t know if Campbell will really get it and begin playing faster on a consistent basis.
VY is a better talent imho but he lacks maturity and may have some mental issues. But with him, tickets will be sold, wins will likely come and I am even more confident this team is playoff bound. So its a judgement on him mental vs anything else
McNabb – no consideration
Bruce – cut
January 15th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Satele was real good this year. I’ll sign up for that kind of play from the center any time.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:59 am
JFB, I think you are pinning too much on Walker when you say running right. Those stats are not just highlighting Walker, they HAVE to mean running between RG/RT or sweep around RT (and the LG could be pulling etc). So its more complicated than an ‘oh, its Walker’.
Likewise, running Center is likely highlighting running between RG/C, and LG/C. I seem to remember us running left more often; but I could be wrong.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:02 am
And when you have a fullback ..as we often had in the picture ..its even more complicated than pinning everything on one said player.
It could possibly mean Reece blocks better running more or less straight forward vs running right or left where he has to be more angular in his approach. Just thoughts/speculation ..I have no evidence of its merit
January 15th, 2011 at 9:04 am
We ran the ball the most to the R, up the middle 2nd and to the left the least.
Of coure that is where the runner ends up, so cut-backs and the like can cloud that a little.
We started running to the left a lot more when Jered started playing, but we really ignored running to the left when we had Loper and Henderson manning that side at the beginning of the year.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:10 am
I agree with you Terp that much more goes into it than blaming it all on one guy.
I think that goes for the whole O-line. People on here love to bang on them, but what about the times Miller just wiffs on a block and gives up a sack (happened quite a few times)? Or when Reece makes a bad read and is late to pick up the blitzer (also happened a few times)?
Our O-lines main issue is pass protection, no doubt about that. But, IMO, they got no favors from our TE, FB, and QB and WR not making enough big plays to scare defenses away from sending 6 or 7 people on obvious passing downs.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:11 am
I liked VY when he was at Texas, I liked how he played his 1st 2 seasons at Tenn, but the guy reminds me of Jabustus now. All talent, no work ethic, and very immature.
I pass on VY.
I like Palmer (if he gets cut), McNabb, and T Jackson.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Miller’s blocking really fell off this year. It looked pathetic at times. He’s needs to straighten that up.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:13 am
You can’t be serious about Tyson Jackson O.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Cooper played well his 1st season with us, but his play level has been declining ever since.
I would rather play Walker at RG, see what I have in Campbell, and/or add a RT.
BTW, I think Veldheer should play RT. He had a lot of problems keeping up with speed and shifty guys. We need better talent at that position IMHO. He was a rookie, so he may improve, but I still think he is a better fit at RT.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:20 am
T Jackson can be a great backup, and he can also compete to start with JC.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:21 am
I don’t disagree O. I think Veldheer could be better at RT than LT. He his gettin a lot of penalties to compensate for his weakness. That’s what happens.
But I think Veldheer could be a dominant center in this league man. No kiddin.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:22 am
I have had the long-standing belief that we need to draft a RT, that ACTUALLY played RT in college at a big boy school for awhile.
Phil Loadhalt of the Vikings as an example. Played almost 40 games at RT in college in the Big 12, stepped right in at RT day one and is already one of the better RT’s in the league after two years.
Enough of this “trying” guys out at RT. Draft an actual RT, who knows the intricies of the position already, footwork and all that jazz.
Just seems to make the most sense to me.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:23 am
He could be special at center with his size, strength and although he is tall he has short legs that can give him the necessary leverage. Unique.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:24 am
JC is a solid QB, but we should always try to upgrade out talent level. I think we need to focus on OL, Defense, and adding a vet WR this off-season.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:26 am
I have a hard time seeing where we can upgrade the defense to be honest. Well ..then again …I can think of some replacements
Mitchell must replace Branch
But other than that, at the starter level we are pretty damn talented. Backups can use some work.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:28 am
I have a pretty good feeling that Ocho Cinco is going to be Al’s splashy offseason move.
He wants out, Marvin Lewis don’t want him, and him and Hue have experience working with each other. Plus he is a West Coast cat at heart.
Just makes way to much sense, and I would support it whole-heartedly.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:30 am
I’ll say that the defense is a pretty talented unit that underachieved.
1 player was getting burnt repeatedly and thats Tyvon Branch. He was the biggest goose in the pond.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:32 am
ZMiller & Tyvron Branch …two players that fell off.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:32 am
At least ZM has a nasty injury excuse
January 15th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Branch took the biggest step backwards for this team this year, IMO.
And I would put Zack Miller out there as well. He certainly still had good production and a lot more TD’s this year.
But he seemed to drop more passes this year, than his previous career combined, and looked abysmal blocking at times.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:34 am
TR,
I have to be honest with you brother. I hated the idea of him playing C. You make great points about his size, leverage, etc.. He played LT at college, he was very good (that’s why he got invited to the combine), and he should continue to play OT. I think the questions should be: do we keep him at LT, or do we move him to RT (most teams draft a LT and switch him to RT).
Vegas,
In college, you play your best athlete OL at LT, some can continue to plat LT at college but most of those kids dont have enough talent/ size/ etc, and that is why a lot of teams draft those kids and then play them at RT.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:36 am
I imagine Bill Callahan will be named HC on Monday after the Jets lose and he becomes available!
Has Matt Ryan ever been in the playoffs?
January 15th, 2011 at 9:37 am
I’m tellin’ you man, when Veldheer was at Center in the presason that line did not move in the middle!
Satele has had a surprisingly good year; but I still salivate over the Veldheer prospect. May never be; but we’ll see what changes are in the offerring soon enough. (hopefully)
January 15th, 2011 at 9:38 am
JFB, I think Miller was still shell-shocked from JRuss tee’n him up so many times last year. He’ll be back to his usual self next year, hopefully…
January 15th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Ryan lost his first playoff game in AZ the year they went to the Super Bowl.
Curious to see if Matty Ice plays better than Vick did against the Packers pretty fierce defense.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Tom Cable just handled it in a boneheaded kinda way. It was the right move at the wrong time. You put that one on Cabes.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:40 am
O,
I understand the talent conversion from college to pro’s and why some RT’s are former LT’s (like Langston Walker and Lincoln Kennedy).
I just don’t think the Raiders have the stability to manage this type of change, and should just draft one of the best RT’s in college, who are not valued as highly and can be had in the mid rounds.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:40 am
JFB,
Your stats confirm Carlisle is terrible.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:41 am
KoolKell Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Dakota Says:
January 14th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
I love the rooney rule, but I don’t think it goes far enough. I think each team should have to interview a black man, black woman, white man, white woman, Native American man, Native American woman, Asian man, Asian woman, latino man, latino woman…..and a cave man (Rob Ryan) and a cave woman (Rosie O’Donnell)
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You’re almost right. If you only had used the word “or”.
Dakota, I’m beginning you can’t defend your positions, without ignorance.
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Why would I use the word “or” when my point is to have them interview all of those candidates? And who is ignorant Mr. “I’m beginning you can’t”…..did you forget some words there genius?
January 15th, 2011 at 9:41 am
TR,
I think we need a WLB, CB, and another DT for rotation. Henderson can’t play more than 20 snaps, he can’t stay healthy an entire season, we play 4-3 do we use 2 DTs on the field , and starters need rest and they get injured.
We were 29th against the run, we allowed a lot of big runs especially at the of gameswhen put DL was tired. We needfresh legs in the 4th Q. Seymour, TK, and Henderson are not that young!
January 15th, 2011 at 9:42 am
According to senior assistant John Herrera, Davis has been busy wrapping up staff evaluations.
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Yikes!
January 15th, 2011 at 9:48 am
I remember when the Raiders used to be like Pitt & Baltimore. Beating the snot out of teams.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Especialley at the in the 4th Q when the DL was tired. we need fresh legs *
January 15th, 2011 at 9:49 am
The 2010 Raiders are the closest I’ve seen to the physical Raiders of yesteryear.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Not in my lifetime.
This past years Raiders team is one of the most physically dominating Raider teams I ever seen, sadly.
The great Gannon years had a good D and pass rush, but it was 40 passes a game.
Other than that, I have seen my fair share of Raiders teams from ‘86 on that get pushed around more Sundays than not.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Especially*
I hate this damn itouch!
January 15th, 2011 at 9:52 am
KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 9:48 am
I remember when the Raiders used to be like Pitt & Baltimore. Beating the snot out of teams.
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KK is so old he also remembers when Carthage was a threat to the Romans.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:53 am
2010 Raider team is def one of more physical teams we have had in quite sometime.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Yo JFB,
Can you take time off during the weekday to play golf or only on the weekend?
January 15th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Give me enough time, and I can schedule around how it needs to be.
August should be good, only things I can’t change are health benefit fairs and stuff that is on a set date, and those are usually in March or October
January 15th, 2011 at 9:58 am
The Raiders used to be feared physically, like Pitt, Baltimore of today. In any type of weather. Feared that way.
That’s why I don’t understand Davis. Bombs away BS aside, they ran the ball down your throat, with no fancy runners. Just Upshaw & Shell.
They, I guess mistakenly, get back to that this year and Cable’s fired.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Make me you leader!!!! I want an empire!
I promise to lower gas prices, decrease tax, legalize it, and steal more resources than we did the last few decades. 30%?!? I’ll take 70%!!!
January 15th, 2011 at 10:01 am
cool bro. Will let you know as we get closer. It looks the week of 8/22 for now. Dang gotta move again. Here’s to hoping to settle down for at least 10 yrs again in 1 place.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Kell,
Wasnt around back in the 70’s but saw some numbers on Hubbard and Van Eghen…those guys had some pretty good ypc numbers. Hub’s was like 4.82.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:03 am
And we havent pressured the QB this year since the days of Townsend and Long.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Every ten years ain’t bad.
I did my 6 years in college (lol), 5 years in Vegas and now here in the land of enchantment.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Hubberd, Van Eagan, were the offense. 3rd down to Freddy B. Take a shot at Branch. During Madden’s time.
Before Madden, yeah it was Bombs away with Lamonica. They went 13-1 in 67 doing that. But lost to KC.
When Madden & Stabler came, they became a run first offense.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Isn’t it documented that Hue installed the power aspect of our running game?
Pulls, traps and the anti ZBS stuff?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Were we showing any signs of physicality during To Cable’s first 2 years?
Or did it start when Hue was hired?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:15 am
That is the thing with this whole coaching change.
If Cable did anything, he got this team to be a little more mentally stable, and preached being tough and physical and keep fighting. I’m sure not everyone on the team bought it, but you know some people did. They went 6-0 in the division.
Hue, of course, has much more upside than Cable. But if Hue had any faults, he tried to be too cute at times. All the trickeration (the WR reverses did work, but he also ran a reverse to Marcel Reece), were a little iffy, and than of course the debacle against the Colts.
Say he was completely overruled with the whole Bruce thing against Miami, and was saddled with “Garbagekoswki” on that Sunday.
He still had him throwing the ball too much. Bruce’s biggest issue is arm strength, and Hue is dialing up the Al Davis specials down the field. It all just made no sense at all, the whole situation.
I am cautionsly optimistic with Hue. I think he can work out on a “One step backwards for two steps forward” deal.
Gotta run, Raider On
January 15th, 2011 at 10:16 am
You are exactly right Jhill. We didn’t begin to improve until Cable’s systems were renovated by Hue Jackson. We won 8 games in spite of Tom Cable last year.
The friggin idiots crying over Cable’s firing are just turds who were happy swimming in a bowl of mediocrity.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:17 am
173.J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Were we showing any signs of physicality during To Cable’s first 2 years?
Or did it start when Hue was hired?
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We’ll see. I hope so. All I know is that Al Davis has not allowed a physical run-team since Gruden’s first year with Tyrone Wheatley. Until this year. And, Tom Cable was fired.
They threw the ball 42 times against Indy.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Hue is a lousy game day caller. I dont care what kind of system he put in here. DMAC’s brilliance inflated Hue’s stats. Against Indy, DMAC ran 11 times, Bush 3 times, and Reece 3 times. While JC attempted over 42 passes, had to scramble 3 times and got sacked 3 times. That’s a total of 48 passing plays vs 17 running plays against a soft cover 2 team????
January 15th, 2011 at 10:21 am
The friggin idiots crying over Cable’s firing are just turds who were happy swimming in a bowl of mediocrity.
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Raider players you mean?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:24 am
In 2008, Cable’s system made the Raiders a top ten rushing team in the league with Justin Fargas as the leading back and an injured and out of shape DMAC.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Remember, Al Davis didn’t become majority owner until the 90’s
January 15th, 2011 at 10:25 am
The friggin idiots crying over Cable’s firing are just turds who were happy swimming in a bowl of mediocrity.
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I’d like to think Lechler (who is a locker room leader), Nnamdi, and many other players know a little bit more about Cable than you do. But they’re idiots right?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:26 am
aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Hue is a lousy game day caller.
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Hmmmm, since we scored more than double the points we had under Cable, I wonder how you would define Cable’s play calling prowess?
Hue isn’t perfect, but he is a huge step forward from Cable. He has the potential to learn and grow….Cable had zero ability to learn from his mistakes and become a better HC. For his first two seasons he just stood around scratching his head….clueless….and then Hue was hired. No coincidence that the team improved.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Well, Cable had J Russell until this year, too.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:31 am
The Billboard knocked down season-ticket sales to 23,000. Maybe that forced Davis to relent, as well.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:32 am
181.aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:25 am
The friggin idiots crying over Cable’s firing are just turds who were happy swimming in a bowl of mediocrity.
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I’d like to think Lechler (who is a locker room leader), Nnamdi, and many other players know a little bit more about Cable than you do. But they’re idiots right?
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The fact that players liked to play for Cable holds exactly zero weight. They liked to play for a lot of dog schyt coaches. Especially dog schyt coaches who cut back on practice time, training camp intensity, and throw a Qb under the bus for the failures of the entire team.
Player don’t like to play for tough guys like Parcells and Caughlin….they like to play for the coaches that make their lives easier.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Nothing against Jackson, we’ll see. But I don’t see why we had to make a change after going 6-0 in the division. 2nd in the league in sacks.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Is Russell to blame for Cable or is Cable to blame for Russell?
Maybe a legit NFL HC gets the most out of Russell? Cable was a clueless buffoon who had no chance of helping develop Russell.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Player don’t like to play for tough guys like Parcells and Caughlin….they like to play for the coaches that make their lives easier
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Even Punters?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Dakota,
you dont know your stats. I think you should go and calculate exactly how many points Hue’s offense scored for each game and come up with an actual total. You’re not going to tell me Hue’s offense is credited with 31 points for the KC game are you? I spent last Sat on here deciphering exactly how many points his team scored…21 points ppg and 19 ppg without those 2 Den games. Cable’s offense was 16.5 points without Jawalrus at the helm from the Cinci game to the end of the season and they played 4 top 10 D during that stretch.
I didnt like Cable’s offense or playcalling. He was below avg. Hue is nothing but avg. You either get a big pile on or he stinks on gameday. We have evidence of that all over the season. But there’s nothing to support that Hue is a genius for our O as some of you like to believe.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Don’t even bother trying to talk AIG out of his BS “inflation” theory. He thinks OC’s shouldn’t get “credit” for running yards.
He also doesnt’t think an OC should get “credit” for TD’s after a turnover which puts the O in good field position. (If that’s the case, then who gets the blame for when we DON”T score in that same situation? I’m sure he’d be sooo willing to single out Hue for such a blunder)
The OC is a COACH. He designs the playbook, and is responsible for playcalling. But coaches are responsible for so much more than X’s and O’s man! They motivate, inspire, and teach. From the smallest detail to the big picture. You can nit pick all you want and twist stats to fit your love affair with Cable, but it’s a bottom line league. 6th in scoring. STFU….non athletic geek with a keyboard u aint never played ish or won ish at any type of competitive level. U aint backing up ur BS theory with any type of evidence or logic u have no idea what a coach is capable of all you wanna do is armchair QB and critique playcalls. GTF outta here. Simp.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Dakota Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Is Russell to blame for Cable or is Cable to blame for Russell?
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You can’t be serious right? I’m shocked at this comment coming from you. Is Cable responsible for Russell putting in efforts and staying off purpledrank?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:40 am
mornin nation,
raider fans here are throwing a “end of season raiders fan party” saturday at the longbranch saloon in san leandro.. we will tailgate if the weather permits. gonna be fun. raider fans come on over,..
January 15th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Johntrain,
Didnt you post yesterday that Hue wasnt responsible for benching JaJason? It really shows you know nothing. YOu might as well apologize for calling 70% of us on here as idiots. You do realize Hue proclaimed that he wanted to bench JC in the first game in TEnn and was the one recommending to bench JC in the STL game right? Have you actually followed the game like you proclaimed you have?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:41 am
KK,
Cable was done in by his insitence on pressing the panic button on Jason Campbell. Campbell played well despite being yanked by Cable twice.
Then When Gradkowski had an abysmal performance he never even considerd yanking him even though it was clear that he could not throw the ball.
In the end Cable put his $ on Gradkowski and he lost. Jason campbell’s near 60% completion % 13 td’s and 8 int’s was by far the best qbing since well Kerry Collins. Not too impressive, but it just showed cable was too quick to pull him.
Not the coach to take the raiders to the next level.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:42 am
188.KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Player don’t like to play for tough guys like Parcells and Caughlin….they like to play for the coaches that make their lives easier
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Even Punters?
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What does that even mean? Lecher was simply pissed because he has to go through another coaching change….he was comfortable with Cable….lot of guys were comfortable with the guy….doesn’t mean that a change wasn’t necessary to move the team forward. A HC with a lifetime record of 28-62 doesn’t exactly scream competence. You like posting records KK….what about 28-62 makes you feel the need to defend this guy? He never should have been named HC in the first place.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:42 am
next saturday..
January 15th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Here’s my effin proof that the OC gets inflated stats by the RB….Marshawn Lynch’s long run. I believe Terrapin Raider and some of you wanted to give credit to the OC….here is the fuggin breakdown of that play by a Seattle writer….
—–Seventeen Power isn’t all that complicated a football play.
In fact it’s simple enough to be a staple in an NFL playbook. And Seattle was in its most basic personnel grouping when offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates called Seventeen Power for the first and only time during Saturday’s playoff game against New Orleans. The Seahawks had two receivers, two backs and a tight end on the field for a play that was only a little more ambitious than a quarterback sneak.
“If you get 4.1 yards you’re patting yourself on the back,” quarterback Matt Hasselbeck said.
But on Saturday, 11 Seahawks took that one simple play and spun it into gold as Marshawn Lynch ran 67 yards, the longest postseason play in franchise history. At least eight Saints touched him on a play that has been burned into the hard drive of our city’s consciousness.
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January 15th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Oh, so we need to magically take away some of the games to make Hue’s numbers look somewhere near Cables? LMFAO.
You are also probably one of the guys who likes to claim if we just take away the two big runs a game our D gives up then our run D in friggin good!
Idiotic.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:47 am
What I said was I thought it was BS and that I thought he was just presenting a unified front for Cable and the team. You think he’d come out and say “NO I disagreed with the decision?” HELL NO. I think he was just having Cable’s back. Just a theory. So what.
How does that show I know nothing? C’mon man you really are a simp. Coaches have each others back in the media. period. Whoever’s decision it was, the other was gonna co-sign.
It was a theory of mine which I backed up cuz, like I said, Hue didn’t have a reason to bench JC SO EARL IN THE SEASON. If you disagree, so what.
I like how you always include yourself in the 70% group LOL!!!!
January 15th, 2011 at 10:48 am
beating up on a lousy Denver which was put out of touch by the D within the first 5 mins of the game is nothing to brag about. Let him score 100 points in 1 game and stink it up in a few others and let’s get an avg score why dont we?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:48 am
dickv Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:41 am
KK,
Cable was done in by his insitence on pressing the panic button on Jason Campbell. Campbell played well despite being yanked by Cable twice.
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Yes, I’ve heard that. But, alls well that ends well, imo.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:49 am
I didnt like Cable’s offense or playcalling. He was below avg. Hue is nothing but avg.
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Exact same thing everyone else is saying.
Cable = below avg = sucks!
Hue = avg = better than Cable!
January 15th, 2011 at 10:49 am
no you idiot, Al Davis rolled him out for that announcement. Tell me one team in the league that rolls out the OC to make such proclamation. Al Davis didnt allow anyone to talk to Hue and AD controls all asst interviews. It has been well documented by Jerry and other writers. You’re an effin sheep and you know it.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
191.aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Dakota Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Is Russell to blame for Cable or is Cable to blame for Russell?
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You can’t be serious right? I’m shocked at this comment coming from you. Is Cable responsible for Russell putting in efforts and staying off purpledrank?
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A legit HC may have realized what needed to be done with Russell. Cable didn’t have a clue. I am simply stating that had the Raiders put a legit NFL HC in place, the chances that Russell’s career could have been salvaged or saved would have been much greater. Of course Russell takes the brunt of the blame for his personal choices.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Raiders made a step forward this past year because a of a great draft; DMAC’s emergence, and hue jackson’s ability to move the ball; competent QB play…
I have no doubt about Jackson’s role in progressing the team; what concerns me is the draft… Was the draft a flash in the pan. All the rookies were still Speed & size guys.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:51 am
JONTRAIN Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:47 am
It was a theory of mine which I backed up cuz, like I said, Hue didn’t have a reason to bench JC SO EARL IN THE SEASON.
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You mean Hue only saw that JC struggled and sucked in Tenn and STL. He actually only proclaimed those things. Who’s the real moron on here?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:52 am
(sigh)…that’s not proof. those types of plays happen with EVERY TEAM. Law of averages always wins out over the course of a 16 game season. Statistics 101, man. There’s always gonna be anamolys.
Bottom Line: 6th in points scored. About 23 PPG when u subtract D and ST TD’s. Pretty good. Outstanding considering the talent he was working with
January 15th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Records?
7 straight years of 11 losses or more.
This year we go 8-8, 6-0 in the Div, 2nd in NFL, sacks?
Tom Cable, HC.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Dakota Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Is Russell to blame for Cable or is Cable to blame for Russell?
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He sure seemed to be on track under Kiffin and his QB coach.
Makes you wonder.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:52 am
200.aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:48 am
beating up on a lousy Denver which was put out of touch by the D within the first 5 mins of the game is nothing to brag about. Let him score 100 points in 1 game and stink it up in a few others and let’s get an avg score why dont we?
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How many times did a Cable called game plan beat up on anyone?
Is this the first year we played bad teams?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Dakota,
For a you to be calling everyone out when they dont perform and to be sitting here today making excuses for Jawalrus is unbelievable. Why do you think Jeff Garcia got frustrated and left the team when he saw what Al Davis was forcing on everyone?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Dakota,
Russell was to blame for Russell. No team even seriously considered signing him to their roster. Even the Omaha nighthawks passed.
That goes far beyond the raiders inept handling of his fat lazy @$$
January 15th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Jeezus, the QB coach under Kiffin is the same QB coach under Cable….Paul Hackett.
How about Russell putting in the efforts in his first year and got fat and lazy in his second year?
January 15th, 2011 at 10:57 am
gotta run.
I need to start a new list: The Strange people who for some reason think Tom Cable is a good head coach despite his 28-62 record.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:57 am
OK here you go with your little jabs. “Who’s the moron?” what are you 12 years old??? LOL ……You are the moron. Because you don’t listen.
I know exactly what Hue said to the media.
My point was that I thought he was just having Cable’s back. That’s it. Of course I could be wrong. My original point was that I smelled BS. It was a calculated statement from Hue I thought. That’s all.
What r u even trying to argue with me about? I read the statements a certain way. So what.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:59 am
aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Jeezus, the QB coach under Kiffin is the same QB coach under Cable….Paul Hackett.
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You sure about that?
I thought it was Deflipino (sp).
January 15th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Kiffin, Knapp, Delfino …
January 15th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Just saying, why fire a Coach after the first good season in 8 years?
January 15th, 2011 at 11:01 am
212.dickv Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Dakota,
Russell was to blame for Russell. No team even seriously considered signing him to their roster. Even the Omaha nighthawks passed.
That goes far beyond the raiders inept handling of his fat lazy @$$
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You are missing the point….the point is that the problem may have been addressed and alleviated at its inception had we a real NFL HC in place. The ramifications of that failure are undeniable. And most blame goes to Russell, but maybe, just maybe a real HC would have changed his course?
see ya
January 15th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Dakota,
I’ve said it many times on here. Cable’s playcalling is below avg. So I’m even sure what you’re trying to get to. A good OC makes good hafltime adjustments. Have we even seen any evidence of that this year?
January 15th, 2011 at 11:02 am
The whole Lechler rant cracks me up… we are going to loose a lot of guys to FA… Let them walk. 8-8 is nothing to be proud about.
The upside is the younger players. If the FA want to stay and be apart of turning the raiders around, then they should take a hair cut in pay and stay.
Huff, Routt, Namdi, Carlisle, Seymour, Gallery have all been over paid by the raiders. If they don’t have loyalty now; who gives a $hit. Let them walk. Draft some young studs, and bring in some hungry players off the streets.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:03 am
AIG -
who was your favorite coach to play for and why? Did you ever play a real varsity sport in HS or college? What makes a good coach behind the scenes? What about gameday? Which coach made you perform better in a packed gym in front of thousands of people watching YOU? Who got the best out of you? Who taught you the fundamentals? Who taught you to believe in yourself?
There’s so much that goes into coaching that you have no idea. you jus wanna sit back and second guess every little thing. U think u know. but u don’t.
70%
January 15th, 2011 at 11:05 am
from wiki….Hacket has been with the Raiders since 2008…
He resigned from the team after the 2004 season and was the Tampa Bay quarterbacks coach from 2005 to 2007. Currently, Hackett works as the quarterback coach for the Oakland Raiders.
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He’s the one responsible for bringing in Grad as well.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Johntrain,
You’re the effin moron and I will call you on your stupidity everytime I see it on here. Puhleez with the stupid questions…
January 15th, 2011 at 11:07 am
KK,
i hear what you are saying, but Cable was not fired. Cable had an option; Raiders did not pick him up. He had two years to earn his option. He went 13-19 in those two years. He knew the deal. Jackson is under contract for one more year. Cable would have to be retianed two more years at least.
That would leave the raiders with the same decision next year, but instead they would have to fire cable; pay him his $ anyways, and try to negotiate with Jackson after giving up all the leverage.
The raiders have leverage with Jackson now. They weight a year, and the offense does good again; they will not have the same leverage. He will be free to entertain all offers without being under contract.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
8-8 is not a good season.
KC got in the playoffs simply cuz they beat the same below average teams we couldn’t beat (SF and AZ come to mind). I don’t think KC beat one team that was any good, did they?
You gotta be able to take care of the teams that aren’t as good as you.
Hue is gonna keep this thing going. He’s a good OC, he knows the personnel, and the guys will respond to him. He’s high energy and detail oriented.
If we have another solid draft we will continue to get better
January 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Johntrain,
I back my comments with stats and quotes. You back your statements with what?
January 15th, 2011 at 11:12 am
I know that everyone likes to drone on about how the Al davis is clueless, but just like the Nnamdi contract; there is some rhyme and reason to how this proccess is unfolding.
Jackson flame is brighter than Cable’s… period. Jackson had some interest this offseason. How much interest has cable gotten.
Jackson had job offers last offseason; he turned down those other oppertunities: same position with the Chicago Bears/ OC to be the HC of the raiders in 2011…
January 15th, 2011 at 11:12 am
8-8 is not a good season….BUT 8-8 is a GREAT season when you’re holding the record for most consecutive double digit losses in a row. Jeez, I forgot that the Raiders were even an avg team since 2003. I assumed we were the laughingstock of the league this whole time. Damn!!!!
January 15th, 2011 at 11:13 am
AIG
Yeah that’s what I thought. U aint never played nuthin so you really don’t know. Smh… wannabe coach with a recliner, some cheez puffs and a keyboard. In reality, just to let you know, athletes and coaches HATE people like you.
Go back to shining your pocket protector and crunch some more numbers. Tell me how many times u get punked on a daily basis LOL
January 15th, 2011 at 11:15 am
You are missing the point….the point is that the problem may have been addressed and alleviated at its inception had we a real NFL HC in place.
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Or, a professional organization.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:15 am
I know Hackett was with the team, but I thought he didn’t get an official title until Kiffin was let go.
There was a young guy who would go to Russell’s house that Jerry talked about back then. It was Russell’s second year and they were talking about how in shape he was and how prepared he was.
I thought they were giving credit to the QB coach, and I thought that guy was Del -something.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:15 am
I dont remember Jackson getting offers. I know he was turned down by SF but I dont remember him getting any offers. He turned down the interview with the bears because Al Davis convinced him to come to the Raiders…(I bet Al told him he has a good chance at becoming HC here)
here’s an excerpt from a Cpaper….
Hue Jackson bypasses Bears for Raiders’ job
January 26, 2010 12:35 PM | 130 Comments | UPDATED STORY
By Vaughn McClure
MOBILE, Ala. — The Bears’ search for an offensive coordinator continues to be an unpredictable process.
Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks coach Hue Jackson, who was headed to Chicago for an interview with the Bears today, was a last-minute scratch and instead has accepted the offensive-coordinator job with the Oakland Raiders.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:16 am
it’s similar to Jasson Garret and wade Phillips in Dallas… Jerry should have made the switch to Garrett two years ago. He waited the team went into the tank. Now they have to pull themselves out of the abyss.
The timing is perfect for Jackson. Last year, there was some buzz about him. He took over the playcalling duties in Oakland he had great success.
he is the best coaching candidate in recent memory.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Does anybody on this blog honestly see Tom Cable being the HC of another NFL team ever???
I mean really, people, c’mpon. He’s an O_Line grunt type coach and that’s all he’ll ever be.
I liked him, but he aint HC material
January 15th, 2011 at 11:19 am
KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Just saying, why fire a Coach after the first good season in 8 years?
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Because he sucks. Case closed.
If you want another reason, try $5mm to a well below average coach at the cost of potentially losing a better coach as a result.
Simple. Move on. The buffoon is gone.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Johntrain,
I played HS basketball. I owned a few small businesses and have been in the position of hiring professional sales/engineering people for quite sometime in the Silicon Valley. Part of my job is to dig down to someone’s resume and find any actual achievements. I did this for a living for a good number of Silicon Valley startups during the dotcom days.
Is that good enough for you? People actually paid me $100 per hour back in 1998 through 2001 to analyze resumes and achievements for key sales professionals and engineering mgrs that could make or break a company. Now you see why I like to dig deep in stats to back up my points.
WTF did you ever get paid for?
January 15th, 2011 at 11:25 am
aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 11:12 am
8-8 is not a good season….BUT 8-8 is a GREAT season when you’re holding the record for most consecutive double digit losses in a row. Jeez, I forgot that the Raiders were even an avg team since 2003. I assumed we were the laughingstock of the league this whole time. Damn!!!!
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Thats your problem. You accept mediocrity. I’m not sure that you are rooting for the right team – sorry to say.
Sure, Cable could have stayed for longer but do you seriously think we could win a SB under him? Not unless he was stripped of all responsiblities he had. Then, what’s the point of paying him $5mm …so he could get the glory for doing nothing?!?
January 15th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Wade Philips never had the respect of the players in Dallas. TC had the respect of the players here (other than Soup).
TC’s background with his temper will be a prob for anyteam willing to take him on. Too much baggage and a sensitive subject as well. I wish him luck.
Hue + JC better be at least 10-6 next year. No more excuses.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:28 am
We are a loooooong way from the SB. I deal in reality. You deal in lunyland!
January 15th, 2011 at 11:29 am
DeFilippo, just 30 years old, enters his second season as the Raiders’ quarterbacks coach. His primary student is JaMarcus Russell, last year’s No. 1 overall draft pick.
His unofficial job requirement: Turn Russell into a snapshot of quarterbacking perfection in mechanics, decision-making, timing and accuracy.
“The thing is, it’s not like we’re trying to make chicken salad out of chicken (droppings),” DeFilippo said in a matter of words. “JaMarcus, he’s an unbelievable talent and I have a lot of help.”
Raiders coach Lane Kiffin is the one who picks the offense’s philosophy. Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp installs the offense and oversees the teaching.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:34 am
And the suggestion that it was Cable’s offense that was tops in the league in running is completely WRONG!
That was Kiffin’s team. As soon as Cable took over he ABANDONED THE RUN!!! He was trying to force things down field to the detriment of his team. He was coaching AGAINST their strength and to the weakness. It was awful to watch.
Low-n-behold the offense went from something like top 6 in rushing to bottom 10 during Cables reign over that offense. Strip him of that responsibility and it goes from bottom 10 to top 2 – coincidence? I think not.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:34 am
There is a plan. It will unfold when Al Davis pulls the trigger.He is still 3 moves ahead of the pack, you’ll see.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:34 am
AIG… Jackson says he turned down the 49ers; and he did not even bother to show up for the job in Chicago… we can slice it up anyway you want.
Hue Jackson vs Tom cable … one of these fine gentleman has more options/ demand than the other… who is it? Hue Jackson.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:36 am
That was Kiffin’s team. As soon as Cable took over he ABANDONED THE RUN!!!
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Sure, that’s the way Al wanted it.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:36 am
I’m getting tired of talking about that lame brain for a HC. Lets move the fuk on. The guy doesn’t even merit such commentary. Some of you just need to check yourself and really look into what he actually produced. Look beyond the “8-8″ bullcrap and ask what really got us there? Was that really TC? HELL NO!
January 15th, 2011 at 11:37 am
It’s going to be pretty interesting to see what Hue Jackson thinks of the 27 FAs we have..
Pretty safe to say that Seymour will be back.
I think the owner like Routts more than any other team out there and Routt will take Al’s $ again.
I think the owner likes Langston Walker.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:37 am
I guess Marcus Allen turned Davis off of RB’s?
January 15th, 2011 at 11:39 am
It’s funny how the Al Davis stooges, turn on an Al Davis puppet, no?
January 15th, 2011 at 11:39 am
LOL!!!!!!!!!
That’s what I figured. Oh man that’s funny.
“I still wake up hoping Al can patch things up with Cable”
-AIG
U a funny dude man.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:41 am
I like Cable. I hope he ends up coaching again at a colllege. I will always root for that man because he has haert, but Al made the right call. It was time to move on. Hue jackson is of the Gruden/ wisenhunt/ sean payton ilk… hot young offensive mind, but this time he wants the job. The Al davis/ Cable era serveed that purpose… attract a hot young offensive minded coach back to Oakland. Ever since Sean payton turned down the job by Bill parcell’s advice; Al has not been able to bring in the coach he wanted. This time he has got him. took 6-7 years, but we are back on track.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:41 am
I doubt Hue goes into the season with Chaz and DHB as his #1 WRs.
There will be a move made there.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:42 am
U r right terrapin
I’m more worried about the defense coaching staff at this point
January 15th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Chaz makes chump change compared to alot of the other guys so I dont see them dropping him..
January 15th, 2011 at 11:44 am
I think they’ll give DHB one more year, but towards the end of the season you can tell they were lessening his time.
I think they believe this guy does a lot for the team besides the obvious; but at the end of the day they want him to become a catcher. And he was catching a tad bit more
January 15th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Jacoby, Murphy, Chaz, DHB… are a solid set of young wide outs. Jackson/Raiders should look to find another Wr in the draft… later rounds. Don’t forget Nick miller. There is enought talent there… just always needs to bring more talent to compete so that nobody gets complacent.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Murphy seems to have fallen off a bit too. But then again, maybe you all are finally seeeing the light there. You all kept mocking DHB while praising Murphy during the rookie season while Murphy was dropping just as many balls. He just made more plays (because he was given the oppty to do so).
If you noticed also at the end of the season the starters were: DHB & Ford. Murphy was behind Ford on the depth chart.
(I believe this is accurate as I remember them showing the lineup on CBS and Ford was starting over Murphy in KC).
January 15th, 2011 at 11:49 am
A HC with a lifetime record of 28-62 doesn’t exactly scream competence.
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If Al could hire a guy with a 62-28 record, I’m all for it.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Terrapin… The emergence of Ford showed why giving DHb snaps without earning them is stupid. It sucks they paid that guy all that $; he will never be worth it, but he could still be a productive 2-3. you have to Hope Ford or Chaz can be a no.1 at this point… both have promise. Murphy dropped more passes than DHB this year. I like him on the roster, but he did take a step back this season with the injury/ dropped passes.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:50 am
People talking how offensive players inflate an OC’s stats are out of their mind!
Weirdos!
January 15th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Holy crap. I didn’t notice it but Ford was starting since week 8 accd’g to the stat line
January 15th, 2011 at 11:52 am
your right about murphy being behind Ford… have to question how $ played into that decision. Murphy still has the edge on DHB in my opinion.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Hue is going to be given the opportunity to bring in players he likes. Extreme example is Kiffin being able to get rid of Moss. Milder example is Cable being allowed to clean up the locker room.
I doubt Hue was happy with the WR production he saw in his one year here and will be looking to upgrade the position.
I could easily see us trading Murphy and bringing in an Ocho Cinco or Vincent Jackson. JLH and Nick Miller won’t be back.
Ford, DHB, and Chaz are probably the only “safe” guys at WR.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:54 am
I’m more worried about the defense coaching staff at this point
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Right there with you Train!
January 15th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Aig, you’re usually solid with info, but if you can’t see what a masterful job HJ did getting the ball to McFadden in creative ways – in space against linebackers, on screens, on shotgun draws – then that becomes a noticeable dent in your armor.
Hue also recognized Campbell’s weaknesses in the passing game and limited the number of straight downfield passes, especially over the middle of the field. Hue played to JCs strengths even though there weren’t many, as evidenced by his constant benching throughout his career.
Get Hue a real QB that can throw to his WRs effectively, doesn’t get sacked or turn the ball over as much, and runs well on bootlegs, and this is a playoff team. Hello Vince Young.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:56 am
As long as they keep Mike Wauffle, they’ll be OK.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:57 am
People talking how offensive players inflate an OC’s stats are out of their mind!
Weirdos!
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RB’s can inflate their OC’s numbers. Will you tell me that Wayne Fontes was a good OC for Barry Sanders, or Tom Walsh for Bo Jackson, or any of those OC’s for Frank Gore (there’s like 5 to pick from). A good OC makes a better passing game and gameday adjustments. There are only a few exceptions to this rule as in Shanahan while in Denver or Norv Turner. DMAC was a monster this year and I attribue that to him working hard in the offseason for the first time in his pro career.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:57 am
The Raiders will not bring in a sour puss like Ocho cinco to take snaps away from young group. vincent jackson may be worth it, but the next time he gets a dUI could be a one year suspension and lost picks for the team that brings him in… on top of that fat 4 contract he wants.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:57 am
cable was definitely in over his head.. a good coach and a nice guy but not head coach material. it would surprise me greatly if he is a head coach in the nfl again..
i think there is merit to the argument about cable not being able to coach j russ..but most of the blame lies with russell..
January 15th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Why did Hue call 42 pass plays against Indy?
January 15th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
260.DKnight007 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 11:50 am
People talking how offensive players inflate an OC’s stats are out of their mind!
Weirdos!
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AIG, stop it!
January 15th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
A7,
What I am saying is HJ has not shown the be the genius this year that you guys make him out to be. I’ll take a wait and see approach. I doubt a dumpoff to DMAC by JC and taking it to the house is anything great for the OC. Or a simple run up the middle with DMAC making tacklers whiff or running them over is any attribute to HJ. It’s more to his RB coach than anything.
You and I disagree with HJ’s performance this year. When the oopposing D limited DMAC/ground game, our offense struggled and I dont htink you point to any evidence of HJ making adjustments to that. The game against Indy, Mia, SF are games that jumped right out. I know you disagree on Indy but 48 passing plays to 18 running plays is inexcusable against a soft cover 2 team.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Darren mcfaddenn inflated the offense stats the same way the offense inflated his stats… Jackson put players in a position to make plays.
Swing passes, screen passes, quick hitters were common on third down because Jackson understands that you just have to put your players out in space and let them make a play.
It’s not rocket science… Jackson made some questionable decisions. but he also produced. In the world we live in that is what matters… producing.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
I think Hue needs to keep Marshall as DC unless he can get someone from Baltimores Defensive staff, that is hungry and has upside.
The main coaching positions that need change are at the WR and Strength and Conditioning coaching positions.
Young Fassell needs to be evaluated as well, but I think the play of Jacoby Ford may have saved Fassells job for another year.
They need a more experienced WR coach than Lal.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Jackson isn’t going to have a lot of leverage with that suspension hanging over his head. His next contract will be full of incentives.
Why do you say the team that signs him will loose draft picks if he gets in trouble?
January 15th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
KK,
It was not 42 passing plays. The QB scrambled 3 times and got sacked 3 more times. That is a total of 48 passing plays.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
KK,
why did Cable call a toss sweep to janikowski in 2008… nobody’s perfect. People will make mistakes. Do they learn from them.
hopefully hue watched that Jets v indy playoff game and learned something on how to beat that team.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
The games where Hue messed up were in the Zona game toward the end and in the Indy game.
I think the game plan versus the Steelers was weird, but Campbell didn’t show up to play that game. Matter of fact the whole team didn’t show up.
The Defense cost us in the Houston, Miami and J-Ville games.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
KK,
It was not 42 passing plays. The QB scrambled 3 times and got sacked 3 more times. That is a total of 48 passing plays
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Why do you call a game like that against Indy? Particularly when your strength is Dmac/Bush?
January 15th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
268.dickv Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 11:57 am
The Raiders will not bring in a sour puss like Ocho cinco to take snaps away from young group. vincent jackson may be worth it, but the next time he gets a dUI could be a one year suspension and lost picks for the team that brings him in… on top of that fat 4 contract he wants.
^^^^^^^
Agreed!
The only free agent WR the Raiders should really make a play at is a TRUE #1 like Vincent Jackson!
Stealing him from the Bolts would be great!
January 15th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Oh so now ur dmacs workout partner. LOL. Dmacs production had nuthin to do with the new oc. The new formations. The new playbook. Mixing up zone blocking and power blocking. Before the season hue asked dmac what kind of plays he liked. And he coached accordingly.
Naw none of that mattered I guess. It waz solely due to dmac taking a little better care of his body. Phuccoutta here. That’s some ignant ish.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
J hill… there has been talk that teams that sign problem players to contracts will loose draft picks if they relapse after signing a new deal.
Players like Brandon Marshall, vincent jackson are chronic screw ups. I don’t think it is official, but that was the talk a year or two ago. who knows what the new language the cBA will have regarding the issue.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Hue Jackson is credited with developing Ochocinco.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Hue Jackson is credited with developing Ochocinco.
another win for Jackson… Too man young players at that position. Jackson like every other working proffessional in any industry has to pick and choose what battles you want to fight. Seriously doubt that hue wants to go out on a limb for Ocho cinco.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Go out on a limb for Ochocinco?
Most people think the Raiders need a Vet WR.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Counting on DHB & Chaz is foolish.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
If mcfadden comes back more experienced, bigger, stronger, quicker, and faster. how good can he be? 2000+ all purpose?
January 15th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
279.KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
KK,
It was not 42 passing plays. The QB scrambled 3 times and got sacked 3 more times. That is a total of 48 passing plays
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Why do you call a game like that against Indy? Particularly when your strength is Dmac/Bush?
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I agree with you 100%. Is it Al Davis or HJ that came up with this game plan? The best game for HJ was @SD and TC proclaimed that we are a running team.
vs SD 45 runs vs 24 passing – W
vs Jax 24 Runs vs 34 passing – L
vs Den 36 runs vs 31 passing – W
vs Indy 18 runs vs 48 passing – L
vs KC 33 runs vs 34 passing – W and we know the D produced 14 points out of 31
January 15th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
I think Ochocinco would be a great fit for this team, depending on price.
He has talent, plays and practices hard, and most importantly, he EXPECTS to win. We need that swag.
He’s not the type of risk that many people think he is
January 15th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Marvin lewis says he is a cry baby that pouts when things don’t go his way. If he came to Oakland. He would want to start.
its not gauranteed that he will. I could see him crying for playing time over Murphy/ ford/ chas/ and DHB now… especially dhb because he is an easy mark
January 15th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Johntrain,
if you actually followed this blog at all and read like you said you did, you’d already know that DMAC committed to no more late night fast food and actually went to AZ last summer to train at Michael Johnson’s facility with other league running backs like Marion Barber in the offseason.
You should really stop because I’m having no problem dunking on your a$$ everytime.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Ocho rarely or never has problems off the field and he’s hilarious yea he might gfet fined but everyonce in awhile but thats aint a big deal. The dude seems like a stand up guy.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Im sure Hue jackson has a lot of respect for Marvin Lewis… ocho cinco will not be coming to Oakland.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Ocho Cinco to the Raiders does that mean DHB changes his jersey # again.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
290.dickv Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Marvin lewis says he is a cry baby that pouts when things don’t go his way. If he came to Oakland. He would want to start.
its not gauranteed that he will. I could see him crying for playing time over Murphy/ ford/ chas/ and DHB now… especially dhb because he is an easy mark
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He would want to start? HELLO…. too funny.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
279.KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
KK,
It was not 42 passing plays. The QB scrambled 3 times and got sacked 3 more times. That is a total of 48 passing plays
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Why do you call a game like that against Indy? Particularly when your strength is Dmac/Bush?
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I agree with you 100%. Is it Al Davis or HJ that came up with this game plan? The best game for HJ was @SD and TC proclaimed that we are a running team.
vs SD 45 runs vs 24 passing – W
vs Jax 24 Runs vs 34 passing – L
vs Den 36 runs vs 31 passing – W
vs Indy 18 runs vs 48 passing – L
vs KC 33 runs vs 34 passing – W and we know the D produced 14 points out of 31
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Most of the time, number of running plays is the result of whether or not the running game is working (i.e. execution, which matters 100x more than playcalling), and what the score is . There’s a lot that goes into those numbers that ur just not accounting for.
Yeah we shulda run more against Indy in theory. But it wasn’t working. Their whole defensive gameplan was built around stopping our running game, and they were able to do that. They were better than us that day
January 15th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
If he came to Oakland he should start…Ocho Cinco is better than DHB
January 15th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Johntrain,
if you actually followed this blog at all and read like you said you did, you’d already know that DMAC committed to no more late night fast food and actually went to AZ last summer to train at Michael Johnson’s facility with other league running backs like Marion Barber in the offseason.
You should really stop because I’m having no problem dunking on your a$$ everytime.
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I was well aware of all of that. I know he was in better shape. You’ve never dunked anything in your life. Man you r too funny!
January 15th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
I like Chad… funny guy. Not a screw up; neither is TO. They don’t have problems with the law like vince jackson brandon marshall, but both are cry babies, adn bad for team chemistry just like Randy Moss/ Crabtree… can’t win with them dudes.
Rather see the raiders draft a WR in 2nd then bring on a screw up or cry baby… Jackson could be exception, but have to be scared you could bring him in and he gets another DUi or gets into trouble with law again, and then sets your team back with suspension.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
I agree with you 100%. Is it Al Davis or HJ that came up with this game plan? The best game for HJ was @SD and TC proclaimed that we are a running team.
vs SD 45 runs vs 24 passing – W
vs Jax 24 Runs vs 34 passing – L
vs Den 36 runs vs 31 passing – W
vs Indy 18 runs vs 48 passing – L
vs KC 33 runs vs 34 passing – W and we know the D produced 14 points out of 31
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Alex, I think it was Al Davis. I hope it wasn’t Jackson.
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Cable, and that’s my concern.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
What other FA WR’s are even gonna be available?
January 15th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
KK,
whats funny is that Cincy is ready to move forward with Jerome simpson, Jordan shipley, and Andre caldwell over Chad, and you think that guy is worth it… Rather see Ford/ Chaz/ Murphy/ DHb get the sanps over that cry baby.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
286.KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Counting on DHB & Chaz is foolish.
^^^^^^^
Exactly!
Signing WR Vincent Jackson would be worth the gamble for this Raider team.
For one, it would fill a huge need for the Raiders and two it will take him away from a hated division rival.
Look at how the WR Corp would look like if we added V-Jack:
1. V-Jack
2. Chaz
3. Murphy
4. Ford
5. DHB
PR/KR backup WR Nick Miller.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Steve Breaston is a free agent… I believe Donald Driver is a free agent too
January 15th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
What other FA WR’s are even gonna be available?
I hear james jones from Greenbay is up for grabs… like the local kid more than Chad too.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
I had a very real and detailed dream last night.
The Raiders were in the playoffs next season.
They were playing the Ravens, Jason Campbell was the QB.
We were down 7-0 early. Went 3 and out. Then recovered the punt. Then there was a bunch of 1st downs into their redzone and goalline. Finally we score.
The dream ended at half-time with us up something like 23-20, but looking good. Then there was some big incident, not sure what, seemed like a security threat or something, the game delayed for a long time before the game would resume. Then i woke up.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
V-Jack doesnt get along with the players on his team either.. And he’s had 2 dui’s a 3rd Dui would be mandatory 6 months in jail.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Steve breaston would be better than Chad as well…
January 15th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Why do we keep ingnoring that vs the Colts, 18 passes came in the last 20 plays, another 5 came in the 1 minute drill at the end of the half, and mcfadden was hurt the second half?
If anything, I give props to Hue that even as the Colts completely shut our running game down the first half he stuck with it until the late fourth quarter.
The game didn’t even matter.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
I doubt you even know how many times we ran in the first half against Indy. Jax stuck to their gun of running even while being down vs us and it worked. Case closed!
January 15th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Vince Jackson or Ochocinco, I won’t complain.
I’m just saying Hue Jackson is credited with developing Ochocinco, and noting the connection.
I don’t think we can go in with the current crop of WR’s.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Why do we keep ingnoring that vs the Colts, 18 passes came in the last 20 plays, another 5 came in the 1 minute drill at the end of the half, and mcfadden was hurt the second half?
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They abandoned the run early in a close game, and Michael Bush would have been just fine replacing Mcfadden.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Im just scared of V-Jax the guy is real talented but makes bonehead moves off the field
January 15th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
murphy,
can you tell us how dhb and murphy getting snaps over Chad would help us win?
Some of you act like we are the Patriots and have so much talent we can discard talented players with character issues.
Chad, Breaston, and Jackson each become our top wide receiver the moment they step onto the field.
Of course we should take any of them. Talent is a good thing.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Puple drank… i get what you are saying on V-jack.
it would make more sense for the Raiders to draft a WR in 2nd rd.
It isnhard watching players like Desean Jackson, steve smith (nyg), Hakeem nicks, get passed up in 2nd rd when we have badly needed a wideout.
That being said Jacoby shows he could be desean jackson type of presence on field, and he was a4th rd pick. raiders are one WR away from being dangoerous… Chaz/ DHB/ Murphy could be that one player if given time oppertunity… that’s why the Raiders will not bring in a cry baby like chad to take snaps away from one of these guys or a draft pick from developing.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
I highly doubt we draft a WR in the 2nd round… What we really need is a possesion reciever who cam move the chains…if you can find 1 bring him in.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
KK,
I agree we need to bring in one more guy to compete. Just see that the most likely solution will be to draft a player.
Breaston is solid. The rest have a lot of baggage.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Aig, we ran the ball 40% of our plays against the Colts in the first half. Would have been higher if we actually ran more than 20 plays the entire half because we couldn’t convert any 1st downs.
It wasn’t until McFadden was hurt and we were down two scores that we went pass-happy.
So how much did you bet?
January 15th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
and james jones
January 15th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
vs Indy
1st QTR 6 passing plays to 3 running plays.
Score 7-7 (For KO for TD)
2nd QTR 11 passing vs 7 running. I’m not goiong to count the last drive with 22 secs left.
Score 17-13
3rd qtr 9 passing plays to 5 running plays.
Score 24-16
4th qtr 7 passing plays to 1 running play. I will discoutn the last 5 mins as you wish.
Hue passed too much and ran to the outside when he ran. It was a common complaint on here after the game on why we didnt run more and run up the middle.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Aig, we ran the ball 40% of our plays against the Colts in the first half.
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Mcfadden 11 carries, Bush 3. Knock off the B.S.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Lol at some being worried about a better reciever taking snaps away from some of the nfl-worst receivers that we have here.
what is the matter with some of you?
January 15th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
I didnt bet on the Raiders. I took a parlay 3 team and Tenn let me down big time.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
I can see the raiders locking up Greg Little in the 2-3 rounds…he fits the possesion wr bill. He has tremendous upside. Has had off the field problems, but no where near the level of V-jack.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Good day to you guys. Time for the gym and try again at 350lbs. Booyah!!!
@ Alex7, always a pleasure my man. I’m glad we do disagree sometimes so that people can believe we are not the same guy.
@KK, I actually agreed with some of your post today.
Later.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
So like I said Aig, 40% until the game got away in the 4th. That’s as balanced as you get when your run game is getting shot down.
JM, I’m sorry that you don’t understand percentages.
we only ran like 35 plays the first 3 quarters as Aig pointed out.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Whoops, KK, I’m sorry that you don’t understand percentages.
You can’t have your RBs run the ball 40 times when you only run 35 plays in the first 3 quarters.
You should study math more. It’s good stuff.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Later Aig, you bet me I didn’t know how many times raiders ran the ball vs Colts.
Have a good workout.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Whoops, KK, I’m sorry that you don’t understand percentages
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Mafadden 11 carries, Bush 3, the whole damned game. Knock off the B.S.
January 15th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
that was for someone else not you. C;mon man, I know you know you better than that. damn gotta run.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
another caveat to consider in all this wr/ passing game discussion. The Raiders have superior talent from backs and Tight ends: Marcel Reece, DMAC, Zach Miller are all threats in the passing game.
That definately suppliments the wr corp and allows the Raiders not to make hasty decisions at that position.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Lol you seem frustrated. I would be too if my brain wouldn’t understand basic math and I only had one argument over and over.
I WONDER WHY McFADDEN DIDN’T RUN THE BALL WHILE INJURED DOWN TWO SCORES IN A MEANINGLESS 4th quarter GAME??
Why didn’t we give bush the ball down 2 TDs with 10 minutes left once mcfadden went down???
Poor KKs brain.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Dick,
TO and Chad have been to the playoffs 7 times in the last 10 years.
Can’t win with them? Come on.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Alex,
you hit it on the head with the indy game. the game was meaningless. That 42 passes was very out of character fot the Raiders in a very close game that the run game was not shut down.
Was it because the game was meaningless that they went all out in the passing game. They knew before the game started they were out of the playoffs.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Alex,
They are both old and shells of their former selves. The bengals had more success in the last few weeks with both off the field.
It’s a young mans game.
TO has been on three teams in the past three seasons. chad has been with the bungals.
Are you serious? You think these two clowns are winners?
January 15th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Dick, our run game averaged 3 yards a carry in the first half. It was completely shut down. We kept going 3 and out and punting to Manning. In the 4th, Hue went pass happy and we got our only offensive TD. I don’t see the big fuss.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Well Dick, if you want to ignore that chad was in the playoffs just last year, and that both of them are STILL better than anyone we have…
It’s not a young man’s game says Boldin, Derrick Mason, Welker, Branch, Hines Ward, and Driver.
Either you can catch and run, or you cane, and those two do it better than anyone here.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
I don’t have a problem with the the way hue called the indy game. They were out of the playoffs… i felt he was evaluating Campbells ability to open up the game through the air.
that being said if that game was a playoff game; giving up on the run would be a horrible decision.
14 rushes for 64 yards between bush/ mcfadden is not shutting down the run. Definately don’t remeber feeling like the run was shut down when I was watching the game… but it’s your story tell it how you like.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
I bet here is what happened: Both Turner and Kiffin were impressive in the interview but neither turned out to be good leaders. Al thought hue would be a good coach but took the time this time to see how he could work with him and work with the players. Once that part was established. It was a done deal. Cable was a good leader, but not necessarily a good coach. Here is hoping the hue can be both.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
We need to add another WR.
We have:
1- Chaz
2- Ford
3- Murphy
4- DHB
We need to add another WR, so why not sign a proven Vet WR to help our passing offense. I know we need to upgrade our OL, but Ford was out best WR, which is great fir him but that’s a sad fact for our offense. We need help to help at WR, and we have enough young talent at that position, so it makes sense to add a vet WR.
JLH will be a FA, and Miller is garbage.
I can’t believe they kept him on the active roster for an entire year when he was hurt and an URFA, they designed plays for him, and they tried to get him involved this season over Ford & JLH.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Raider o –
At what point do these guys stop being “young wider receivers” and become legit vets. This is going to be their thrid year.
I don’t know if the vet receiver thing is as important as it was last year. Maybe just getting a more solid receiver is more to the point.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Who keeps an URFA who is hurt for 16 weeks on the active roster?
January 15th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
the raiders
January 15th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
I meant al davis…sorry
January 15th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
If Hue gets the HC job any ideas who he would bring in as an OC?
January 15th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
He will be the oc. Al wants to have a head coach who calls his own plays. That has been his preference since qbs stopped calling their own.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
In fact, that is what gannon says Norv’s problem was. Once the game got going he got overwhelmed trying to cll plays and coach the rest of the team at the same time.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
JFB,
You out there?
Will be looking for examples of stellar QB play against tough defenses in this game.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Guy,
-Chaz (7th RD) never played a full season.
-Murphy (4th RD) and DHB (1st RD reach) are still learning. Both were considered projects as WR prospects. They also had Sanjay Lal the last 2 seasons coaching them, and JR trying to pass then the ball their rookie season.
-Ford (4th RD) was a rookie, but he was also considered a project. Needs to learn more, run better routes, etc…
We need to add a proven/ solid/ Vet/ WR that can help our offense, and I don’t think drafting a WR will help this situation.
IMHO
January 15th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
I don’t recall us ever not having an OC prior to Cable that one year.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
He will be the oc. Al wants to have a head coach who calls his own plays
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Good point, Al gave Cable the chance.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
FA:
I would look for OL, QB, WR, and CB.
Draft:
WLB, OL, CB, DT, and QB.
Don’t resign Boller, Frye, and Garbagekowski.
Cut CJ, and don’t resign Routt. Keep Nnmadi (I think he will stay), and add better CBs. Routt and CJ are avg at best, but both made over $3 mil last season. We can do better at CB for $6 Mil in salaries (not inculcing Nnamdi’s salary).
January 15th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
I can’t believe that idiot Kirk Triplette gets to do a playoff game as a referee. He was horrendous and his crew in that Chiefs game at home. He is terrible how could the NFL reward him with a playoff game?
January 15th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Routt has a decent season O.
I think we should bring Gardowski back as well as Frye.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Wassup with Flacco and all these passes to the TE and RB?
He has Boldin, Housyourmama, and Mason and he isn’t throwing downfield?
WTF????
January 15th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Resign:
Nnamdi
Seymour
Miller @ a good salary. (happy J)
Wimbley
Gallery
Bush
Only if they don’t demand a lot of money.
Huff
I like to resign Huff, but I also like to see what our young Ss can do.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Boldin was having a fit that he didn’t get the ball. I bet Flacco looks his way now.
Any of our WRs throwing a fit that our QBs are not looking their way?
January 15th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Miller @ a good salary. (happy J)
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Yes I am.
Thank You Sir!
January 15th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Now that is what I call physical Oline play. I do not remember us just lining up and moving a decent defense around with power in your face running.
January 15th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
306.GG Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
I had a very real and detailed dream last night.
The Raiders were in the playoffs next season.
They were playing the Ravens, Jason Campbell was the QB.
We were down 7-0 early. Went 3 and out. Then recovered the punt. Then there was a bunch of 1st downs into their redzone and goalline. Finally we score.
The dream ended at half-time with us up something like 23-20, but looking good.
Then there was some big incident, not sure what, seemed like a security threat or something, the game delayed for a long time before the game would resume. Then i woke up.
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yeah… same dream… but mine continued…
what you missed was Jamarcus Russell running out of the stands and kneeling at the 50 line line crying and saying he wanted another chance…
security couldn’t move him cause he weighed 375 and had an iron pot filled with skittles chained around his neck…
they called for a forklift…
that’s when my dream ended…
did anyone catch the end of this game???
January 15th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Now that is what I call physical Oline play. I do not remember us just lining up and moving a decent defense around with power in your face running.
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Raiders used to do that against the Steel Curtain, before your time, sonny boy.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Raiders used to do that against the Steel Curtain
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And you don’t think the same guy wants to do it again?
January 15th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
I just want to see who Hue brings in to coach the OL and be the OC.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
No, I don’t. That was Madden Football.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Is it me, or does the Ravens playbook look like what we run here?
January 15th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
If he did, seems like he would have done it by now. We did it this year, and Cable got fired.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Careful Hill, your conversation with KK might get confusing.
He wants us to run the ball 40 times a game even when we only run a total of 50 plays an entire game.
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As you’ll notice, neither the Steelers or Ravens have many high-round draft picks on their line. More of a philosophy / coaching thing, though they do look for linemen that fit their aggressive style.
Needless to say, Walker and Satele would not be looked at by either of those teams.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
The guy responsible for installing the power run game is still here.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Resign:
Nnamdi
Seymour
Miller @ a good salary. (happy J)
Wimbley
Gallery
Bush
Only if they don’t demand a lot of money.
Huff
I like to resign Huff, but I also like to see what our young Ss can do.
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Yep, that’s about right.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Cable didn’t call those plays KK.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
The pass sets up the run against a great run-D.
What a concept (Raiders 2002).
January 15th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Yeah, I think we’ve already got the hints that Campbell will be the RG and Henderson will be the RT.
JFB put some stats up that pretty much said our right side of the line was the worst run blocking right side in the league, lol.
Campbell … Henderson … Your turn.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Depends on what happens with Asomugha and Routt, but the o-line could be bolstered by taking Wisniewski in the 2nd round and Moffitt from Wisconsin in the 4th (if he’s still there), and signing RT Ryan Harris in free agency.
But if Asomugha and/or Routt walk, a CB should be the second round pick. Davon House or Brandon Burton are good options.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Look at Chris Carr, making it good after his stint in Oakland.
Good for him. Coaching trumps talent.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Florida Pete Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
306.GG Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
I had a very real and detailed dream last night.
The Raiders were in the playoffs next season.
They were playing the Ravens, Jason Campbell was the QB.
We were down 7-0 early. Went 3 and out. Then recovered the punt. Then there was a bunch of 1st downs into their redzone and goalline. Finally we score.
The dream ended at half-time with us up something like 23-20, but looking good.
Then there was some big incident, not sure what, seemed like a security threat or something, the game delayed for a long time before the game would resume. Then i woke up.
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Yeeh I had it too, it was not a security issue, the raiders stopped the game to honor Tim Brown.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Not sold at all with Campbell and Henderson on the right side, especially if Gallery doesn’t come back and Satele is still the starter.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
another tuck rule fumble.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Triplett may be the worse Officialworking NFL games,
how he has a Playoff game is hard tounderstand…
Guy is a bumbling idiot!
January 15th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Certainly expect to see some of this Baltimore staff on Hue’s staff next year. Damn sure hope he brings some of the defensive guys.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
YA,
Not a Henderson fan at RT. Just saying it seems like that is going to be what it is.
Would rather see Barnes at RT instead of Henderson.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Yeah, it definitely seems like it’s going to happen. Unless Al trusts Hue enough to sell him on Henderson not being a fit for his blocking scheme.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
379.J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Certainly expect to see some of this Baltimore staff on Hue’s staff next year. Damn sure hope he brings some of the defensive guys.
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I’d take Ray Lewis.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Hopefully Gallery will still want to be part of a Cable-less Raiders. He might not be the best LG in the NFL, or even on the FA market, but he’s the most experienced Raider lineman and has been crucial to Veldheer’s progress at LT.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
good call Hill. They’d need a payraise though or at least a position raise.
Deen Peas is their LB coach and was with NE for 5 years before joining the Ravens. Has coached at Navy, Notre Dame, Michigan State. Might be time for him to try DC.
All that said, will it matter? If Davis doesn’t relent on the man-to-man 90% of the time, it won’t.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
If Bush walks, maybe Hue can get Willis McGahee to come here.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
The point was made earlier this morning of not being surprised if Veldheer is moved back to C.
Might have some merit with Satele being a FA and no other C on the roster.
Henderson-Loper-Veldheer-Campbell-Walker
January 15th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
383.YoungAmerican Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Hopefully Gallery will still want to be part of a Cable-less Raiders. He might not be the best LG in the NFL, or even on the FA market, but he’s the most experienced Raider lineman and has been crucial to Veldheer’s progress at LT.
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For Gallery, without Cable, it will be 100% about money.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
All that said, will it matter? If Davis doesn’t relent on the man-to-man 90% of the time, it won’t.
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If we didn’t get burnt so often when we did play zone, I think we would see it mixed in more.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
One thing forget about satele and carlisle…they are excellent downfield blockers on screens especially satele. watch other teams and you will see that those guys block on screens very well and that is a big part of our game
January 15th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
For Gallery, without Cable, it will be 100% about money.
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Not much difference between him and Loper, imo. Didn’t miss Bob Gallery at all when he was out those 4 games or so.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
My problem with gallery is that he can never stay healthy, when is the last time he played 16 games?
January 15th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
“Raiders now the only team left without a head coach.”
Also the ony team without a GM.
All we have is a part Al and only when he gets a bowel movement that day.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
The effect that Gallery has had on Veldheer helping him with the line calls can’t be understated, though. I do think Loper should be retained, though.
Another Baltimore FA that Hue should try to recruit is RG/RT Marshall Yanda.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
390.J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
For Gallery, without Cable, it will be 100% about money.
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Not much difference between him and Loper, imo. Didn’t miss Bob Gallery at all when he was out those 4 games or so.
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I agree. But if Loper is our starter @ LG, what do we have for depth?
Loper is good depth.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Hey KK!
I was reading your comments about the the Steelers and Ravens being the way we used to be.
Seen the film and YOU are right!
January 15th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
I think a LG is much more replaceable than Huff. Single deep free safety in the NFL is damn near impossible to play well, and definately takes a few years to get used to. Huff has become a playmaker, INTs, FFs, sacks, and he has good moments in pass coverage too. I think alot of our problems in pass coverage are on Branch, would like to see him replaced by Mitchell next year. Put Brown or Mitchell at FS and we will all be crying for huff
January 15th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Yup. Gallery can go ahead and leave….especially since there’s probly another team out there willing to overpay for him.
I doubt that we even notice he’s gone.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
But if Loper is our starter @ LG, what do we have for depth?
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Some guy on Baltimore’s roster now that the Oline coach brings over with him.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Hill, the reason we aren’t good at zone yet is because this Al doesn’t let the team practice it very much.
That said, we did have a few good pick-6 against the Chiefs two Sundays ago was while using zone, so if Marshall is brought back and we simply keep working at it, there’s hope.
Or if a new DC is brought in and allowed to install it right off the bat so we have all off-season to prep for it, there would likewise be hope.
I’m tired of watching us give up so many easy TDs on simple rub routes against our zone, watching two of our defenders collide with a laughing receiver celebrating the easy TD.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
whoops, easy TDs on simple rub routes against our MAN D is what I meant.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
385.YoungAmerican Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
If Bush walks, maybe Hue can get Willis McGahee to come here.
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Yup.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Huff
I like to resign Huff, but I also like to see what our young Ss can do
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I think Huff has stepped up, seems like he gave up on trying to arm tackle and started making some big hits. 77 solo tackles, 4 sacks and 3 int’s…not bad. I think he will even improve in his 6th year.
I’d like to see more of S. Brown.
WOW..Ravens are for real.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Not to mention the direct correlation between playing man defense and being in the bottom 10 of run D every single year.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Certainly expect to see some of this Baltimore staff on Hue’s staff next year. Damn sure hope he brings some of the defensive guys.
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You’re being silly. As if Jackson gets to choose his own staff. lol
January 15th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
I like us in man to man, Alex. I wouldn’t want to see us “install” a zone defense. I would like to see us mix it in a bit more though. It shouldn’t be too hard to identify a man in your zone and cover him.
The DB looking at each other like someone didn’t know their assignment is what I have an issue with. If they are not practicing plays that Marshall is calling in games, then shame on Marshall.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
my preseason SB pick was packers-ravens…if balt can get by NE i think im in good shape
January 15th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Jontrain, come on, how would we not notice our best lineman being gone?
Do you like games like we had against the Steelers, Titans, and Niners where most of our O-line is getting overwhelmed? And now you want to take out our best guy in those situations?
January 15th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Hey KK!
I was reading your comments about the the Steelers and Ravens being the way we used to be.
Seen the film and YOU are right!
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Smashmouth power football. I don’t know why Davis went away from it.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Notice the Ravens, a smart team, are NOT going…
“damn it all!! We WILL run the ball 30 times!!!” lol.
Some wanted us to run it more in the Steeler game.
January 15th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
As if Jackson gets to choose his own staff. lol
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Cable didn’t get to choose his own staff, and it made sense. The whole theme was continuity.
But Kiffin certainly was able to choose pretty much the entire offensive staff. From Knapp as OC to Cable as Oline coach.
Shell chose Walsh, Slater and the get along gang.
Lucky for Hue there are a lot of job openings on the Raiders staff.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
No I think its just a matter of at what price. If we wants to com back cool. But at what price? I think we’d have to overpay to keep him. If that’s the case, let him go.
Does anybody know the penalty breakdown of our o line?
January 15th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Alex,
Speaking of the Ravens, Flacco is looking a lot like our QB.
Can’t wait to see our defense put up this kinda effort to help us win against good teams.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
We’ll see.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
If you’re talking about Gallery, he certainly needs to stay. He & Veldheer have a good thing going on the left side.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
“Power Football” teams Ravens and Steelers.
Ravens 489 pass attempts this year.
13th-most in the NFL.
Big Ben 513 attempts (if you average the 4 games he missed).
9th-most in the NFL.
Interesting.
Helps having a top passing attack to run the ball down the throats of 6 and 7 man fronts.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
We need to come up with a better blizt than the 2 S one Marshall always called.
Why was Mike Mitchell not involved with blitzing when the BIG Nickle was on the field?
How many times did we actually bring McClain? I know he was in the gap faking the blitz a lot.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Flacco 12/18 82 yds
Big Ben 7/12 78 yds
That’s very Jason Campbell like, and just about what you should expect to see against these types of defenses.
You better have your own defense to bring to the table in this kinda fight!
January 15th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
My prediction for the SB.
Packers vs Patriots
Final Score – GB 35 NE 33
January 15th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Rush att/Gm
#4 Raiders
#6 Ravens
#9 Steelers
Power Teams.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
I just dunno about Gallery. Just a feeling. I’ve hated on Satele and Carlisle sooo much, but they actually got better as the year progressed.
That being said, Our O-line improved this year into an “average” line. Right tackle we need another stud to count on along with JV at LT as he continues to progress.
Bruce Campbell – who knows? last i saw of him was preseason, when he was being pushed around 10x worse than Carlisle
January 15th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Hill,
are you goating me? lol.
Flacco – 75% completions, 86 yards at the half, 1 TD, 0 INT.
JC – 37% completions, 70 yards entire game, 0 TD, 1 INT.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Did I mention JC is about to turn 30, and Flacco is 25?
January 15th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
ha, goading, not goating.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Alex,
75% completion because the Ravers run the screens better than we do now. It was only our first year, give him a minute.
Also, we need to get out WRs up to the level that Flacco has and you’ll see those #s improve.
Also, did I mention the advantageous field position Flacco has had because of the defense?
January 15th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Raiders could not run the ball against the…
49ers, Steelers, Colts, or Dolphins (Ford was leading rusher vs Dolphins with 13 yards, lol)
Raiders “power” running game = not ready for prime time.
Need a passing game to make that work.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
JC just turned 29 Dec 1st.
You’ve had him at 30 for a while now, lol.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Isn’t it also Flacco’s “1st year” with Cam Cameron as O-Coordinator? Works both ways. The number of excuses we make for JC is incredible, as if he’s a young pup or something.
The Redskins gave him 5 years, and traded him for a future 4th rounder, while he was in his prime.
Flacco shows how bogus the myth about having a different OC in different years is.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Raiders “power” running game = not ready for prime time.
Need a passing game to make that work.
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#2 in the NFL in Rushing.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
I was talking about the rest of the offense learning how to run a screen. That TE screen to Heap to open the game was beautifully executed. Did we even call any TE screens this year. Give Hue some time to get all this implemented.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Flacco shows how bogus the myth about having a different OC in different years is.
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No it doesn’t. Did Baltimore change it’s schemes?
January 15th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Isn’t it also Flacco’s “1st year” with Cam Cameron as O-Coordinator?
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I think this is his 2nd year. Jim Zorn being brought in as a QB coach is the only change I recall.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Gotta keep mike bush.. His highlights this year were ridiculous! Him and Marcel Reese.. That tripod is big for our offense
January 15th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Flacco = 1st year with new OC.
Jay Cutler = 1st year with new OC.
Matt Cassell = 1st year with new OC.
They don’t make excuses, they each made the playoffs.
Yes, JC turns 30 next year. I’ve said that for a while. Point?
He’s not some young improving QB.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Hill, thanks for the correction on Cameron. The other QBs still show the myth is dumb.
KK,
you really do ignore important stats, don’t you?
You’re happy with our overall running game after watching them suck against basically every good team we played this year?
Wow, you’re easily pleased.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
#2 Running game in the NFL.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
I’m sure next year we’ll be able to simply line up and run it against the
Jets, Patriots, Bears, Vikings, Packers, and Dolphins
even though we couldn’t run it against the good teams this year.
Yeah, that makes lots of sense.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Alex,
Defense makes a play for the Steelers, they score 7.
See how that works?
January 15th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Number 2 Running game in the NFL.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
KK was IMPRESSED with the Chiefs #1 NFL rushing offense, even though they had a cupcake schedule and couldn’t run it against good Ds. If KK was a Chiefs fan, he would laugh at the thought of the Ravens shutting down the Chiefs run game.
“#1 run game in NFL” KK would say, over and over again as Ravens fans celebrated the easy victory.
“#1 run game in NFL,” KK mutters as the stadium empties.
“#1 run game in NFL.”
January 15th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
You guys see the Steelers zone defense get 5 guys to the RB on that check down?
Modern NFL football.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Yeah the good teams were able to make us one dimensional and dare us to pass. When that happened, we weren’t able to hit em deep and make em back up off us
January 15th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
three months later, KK is still at Arrowhead Stadium…
“#1 rushing team in the NFL… I don’t understand…strength of schedule, what? We were #1!!!”
January 15th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Where’s AIG I need a good laugh
January 15th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
KK was IMPRESSED with the Chiefs #1 NFL rushing offense, even though they had a cupcake schedule and couldn’t run it against good Ds. If KK was a Chiefs fan, he would laugh at the thought of the Ravens shutting down the Chiefs run game.
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Alex, you speak for yourself, I’ll speak for myself, ok?
January 15th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Jontrain, THANK YOU for understanding that simple logic.
Run game with weak QB = not a true run game.
Doesn’t count if you can only run on the weaklings.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
KK, I’m using your words. If you want to dig yourself in that hole, I’ll point it out all I want.
We can’t run the ball against top teams, because our QB sucks.
You disagree KK??
January 15th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 3:
Raiders “power” running game = not ready for prime time.
Need a passing game to make that work.
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Now that’s original.
Never heard anyone say we need a passing game to make a running game work.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Doesn’t count if you can only run on the weaklings.
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I believe the Raiders ran it pretty good against SD. 4th in Run D.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
If someone can tell me why next year’s games against the Pats, Jets, Bears, Vikings, and Dolphins will look any different…
than this year’s games against the Steelers, Colts, and Dolphins…
that’d be great to know.
2-8 outside the weak AFC west. Repeat that 100 times KK, if you want.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
The simple logic here is you better be able to bring a tough defense to the table in this kinda matchup. If you are not putting hits on the QB and turning the ball over, you have no chance.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
KK, 1 out of 5. Is that a stat you want to repeat?
I don’t.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
If someone can tell me why next year’s games against the Pats, Jets, Bears, Vikings, and Dolphins will look any different…
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If our defense holds these teams around the 20 pt mark for the game and can create some turnovers, we can easily win those games.
Not quite sure why you keep putting Minny and the Dolphins on your list. I certainly expect us to beat those 2 teams.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Agreed Hill.
Looking at playoff teams, it’s obvious you HAVE TO either have a 3-4 defense, or play zone a LOT to confuse QBs and O-lines and give yourself lots of opportunities.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Steelers got it going now!
My money’s on the Steelers!
January 15th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Ravens, Steelers, Packers, Falcons, Jets, Patriots
All play 3-4 with lots of zone.
Tell me you guys don’t think that’s a coincidence.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Alex/RMR
You obviously need a Run & Pass game. Nobody said otherwise.
But basics, Run/Stop the Run.
6-0 in the Division, 8-8 is a great start for this team, at this time.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Hill,
we ran for 30 yards on the Dolphins this year.
Why will that improve much next year? We can’t run well vs top run Ds.
And when was the last time we beat a team with a back like Peterson? We’re like 1-10 lifetime against the Chris Johnsons, MJDs, Arian Foster, and AP’s of the NFL.
That’s why.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
also, next year we play the Dolphins IN Miami.
This year, at home = suck vs Dolphins.
Next year, east coast where we can’t win = win there?
Nah.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
KK,
I believe you’re too in love with what we did this year, and don’t realize we were given such an easy schedule.
We were 2-8 against non-AFC west teams. That’s a better measure of our true talent.
The only thing that will change that is a better QB.
We can’t have JC meltdown 5 times again like he did vs Titans, Rams, 49ers, Steelers, and Colts.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
KK,
I believe you’re too in love with what we did this year, and don’t realize we were given such an easy schedule.
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No such thing as a easy schedule in the NFL. The Raiders have been losing 11 games per year, wtf are you talking about?
January 15th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Can I be completely envious of these 3-4 zone defenses?
They play chess.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
There’s your boy Flacco, int. lol
January 15th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
KK,
your two points don’t go together.
When you play the two weakest divisions in one season, that’s an easy schedule.
DO YOU HONESTLY not see playing the Pats, Jets, Bears, and Packers as a tougher schedule than the Cardinals, Seahawks, 49ers, and Rams?
SERIOUSLY?
January 15th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
bet they miss hue jack
January 15th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
OMG, OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A QB threw an INT against the STEELERS?!?!
Cut him!!!! Cut him KK!!!!!!!!!!
Again, you focus on such small things and miss the big picture.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
The Raiders have been losing 11 games per year, for years.
How the Fk can you call any opponent of theirs easy?
January 15th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Checkdowns were working just fine and Flacco tries to go down the field, lol.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Only 32 out of 32 NFL teams would take Flacco over JC.
Only 32, KK.
Haha, can you imagine the Ravens trading Flacco for a 2012 4th rounder? Now that, KK, you should laugh at.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Alex/RMR
You misrepresent everything for your agenda, regardless of the facts.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
KK,
THIS YEAR, the schedule was the easiest they’ve had in that entire 7 year stretch. Thus, we won a few more games.
You know math can measure that, right?
Wait, you probably don’t.
January 15th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Another big play from the defense = pts for the offense.
Their is a theme here fellas!
January 15th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
flacco is crumbling….
January 15th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
KK,
THIS YEAR, the schedule was the easiest they’ve had in that entire 7 year stretch. Thus, we won a few more games.
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Show me the math, then.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
I’d take Flacco over JC too.
But I realize things wouldn’t be much different if our defense doesn’t start showing up in big games.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Another Flacco turnover!!! lol
January 15th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Wait KK,
If you can prove even ONE OF MY FACTS wrong, you get $10.
1.) Almost all playoff teams run a 3-4 zone defense.
2.) 9 of 11 playoff teams (not counting 7-9 Seahawks) have a 90+ rating QB.
3.) We have neither.
4.) No QB in the last 20 years has started 5 years, then had a “breakout” season his 6th year.
Have at it.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
WOW
Jason Campbell is melting down out there.
Wait ….
January 15th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Wait KK,
If you can prove even ONE OF MY FACTS wrong, you get $10.
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F.U. prove your own arguments.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Hill, thanks for being honest about JC/Flacco.
Now, HOW will our D “show up” against top teams?
Isn’t it all about schemes? How can we outscheme good teams when we run 1 defense 90% of the time?
That is sooooo easy for good HC and OC to exploit.
The only times the Raiders had a decent D the last 20 years was in 2002 when we were scoring 30 points a game and turning opponents one-dimensional. Our system sucks.
Why would that suddenly change?
January 15th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
lol KK
they are called stats. Facts. They are not arguments.
Guess you don’t know the difference if all you can do is cuss like a little boy.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Flacco and Campbell are the same thing.One just plays for a better offense.
Except Campbell wouldn’t have thrown that bomb to Heap. He woulda held onto it, and we woulda cursed him for not getting rid of the ball, not “playing faster” LOL
Go ahead, crucify me for the comparison
January 15th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Isn’t it all about schemes? How can we outscheme good teams when we run 1 defense 90% of the time?
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Replace Tyvon Branch at S is step one.
I think Wimbley and Grove will be better in their second year at LB. Houston, McClain, and ShoNasty will also be better next year. Also expect to see McFadden and Ware get on the field next year.
I like our scheme, just think we need to get better on a few plays. 3rd and 19 before the half against Indy, we give up a PI. Jennings run against us in the Jags game doesn’t happen with McClain on the field. I don’t think Mike Mitchell whiffs on the opending kickoff against Az this year.
Play here, play there …
January 15th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
lol,
exactly Hill. But that’s how JC looked FIVE times this year! Hue will not put up with that. Expect a new QB in next year.
Myth: JC played better down the stretch.
Fact: JC was benched week 12.
Week 14 he played a bottom-10 pass D.
Week 15 against Denver, sucked (69 rate/2 INTs/1 TD)
Week 16 he sucked (Colts).
Week 17 he was solid.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Except Campbell wouldn’t have thrown that bomb to Heap. He woulda held onto it, and we woulda cursed him for not getting rid of the ball, not “playing faster” LOL
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LOL!
So true.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Ray Rice doing his best McFadden impression.
Joe Flaccid a not ready for primetime player.
What a waste.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Hill,
I agree with you, but it also strengthens my belief.
With man-to-man, you need 11 above average players.
That’s expensive. Unmaintainable long-term (we can’t even do it one year, let alone long-term).
Furthermore, with zone, you have forgiveness if you mess up. People behind you. Man mistake = TD.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
To have a top D, we need…
1) McFadden to improve ALOT (late round pick for a reason).
2) Route and CJ to improve.
3) Our OLBs to imrpove.
4) Our MLB to improve play-making.
5) Our SS play to improve.
6) Our D-line to maintain.
That’s asking a LOT.
Or we could have a better scheme. Al has relented a bit on this, so it might continue to develop.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Lonetree,
watch Flacco make you eat your words in the next 10 minutes.
Harbaugh > Tomlin. I think they pull it out.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Alex,
And I agree with you that we need to mix in more zone and different blitzes than just bringing Branch and Huff.
My main beef all season has been more with the defense than the offense as you well know. It makes NO SENSE to me that we have so many lapses in coverage in the secondary. Just simple miscommunications.
I don’t recall too many instances of us getting burned on a run because our DBs backs were turned due to man to man. I’m sure it happened a few times, but I just don’t recall much of it.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Oakland Raiders #2 Pass Defense in NFL.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Ravens, Steelers, Packers, Falcons, Jets, Patriots
All play 3-4 with lots of zone.
Tell me you guys don’t think that’s a coincidence
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But you will have to erect a billboard to convince AD that a 3-4 and zone D is the way to go. Raiders might as well keep J.Marshall, Al lets him blitz.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
i like the raiders defense….
January 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Honest question.
If Al Davis was allowed to hire Dick LeBeau for $5 million a year, would he pass on it?
January 15th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
You boy Flacco is looking great!
January 15th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Repost,
Oakland Raiders #2 Pass Defense in NFL.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
LOL at Flacco.
How do you now throw it away?
January 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
He IS JC!!
January 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
5 million???
For a DC ????
LMFAO!
January 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
when did Flacco become “my boy?”
You guys have been here longer than me. Is KK a troll? Or does he really believe what he types, and cusses out of true anger?
January 15th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Hill, are you laughing at the thought of Davis paying that, or the thought of a DC being worth that? Or both?
January 15th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
A7,
back to the Indy game, you’re ok with a 60% pass and 40% rush ratio. I dont think that works since our best player on the O is DMAC. We should be in the 60% run and 40% pass ratio. As a matter of fact, more plays should be running through DMAC like Shanahan would.
I always bring up a Shanahan play through Terrell Davis in the SB against GB. TD said he couldnt see and was having one of those migranes again. Shanahan said can he just put him in there and do a playaction fake through him…GB bit on the playaction and they scored. This is all documented on nfl networks on one of those reruns. That’s what I didnt see Hue do this year…was running through DMAC more often. Check back later.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
when did Flacco become “my boy?”
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All the QBs in the playoffs are better than the QB we have is what you said, right?
January 15th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Alex,
if JaSoup sent any intercept as stupid or ill as Flaccid did and backed it up with a botch of a center snap…uh…well…sure…you’d believe.
Agendas is agendas, is is.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Both, Alex!
LMFAO!
Are the Steeler even paying him a million?
Why would we play him 5?
January 15th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
I will hire who I want when I want. I can have anybody. I didn’t want Jim. He woulda come here for the cheap. LeBeau, don’t want him. I haven’t made up my mind yet. Lookin for a good bootlicker, All you out there know it. So pipe down, rest assured I will restore my Raiduhs back to greatness.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
That was a BS call!
January 15th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
John has told me of all the nonesense that goes on in here. All of you know I pay the cheap for a HC. What’s the big deal? All you pipe down, and watch me restore my Raiduhs back to greatness.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Now I see why they said earlier in a pre-game show that they needed o take the training wheels off Flacco. Well IMO they need to put them back on him. He really stinks.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
What a game!
January 15th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Hill, think of how much money LeBeau saves the Steelers every year.
As soon as a LB wants a huge $4 million a year contract, they let him go, plug in a 4th round draft pick making $300,000, and get the same results.
Every year they can have this option all over the field.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
if you want to know why the Ravens haven’t beaten the steelers in 7 games look no further than Joe Flakes…
January 15th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Boldin has to make that catch right there Priest.
And the Rice Fumble was a HUGE momentum swing.
Flacco has been about as good as you can expect vs this Pitts defense.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Hill, thanks for being honest about JC/Flacco.
Now, HOW will our D “show up” against top teams?
Isn’t it all about schemes? How can we outscheme good teams when we run 1 defense 90% of the time?
That is sooooo easy for good HC and OC to exploit.
The only times the Raiders had a decent D the last 20 years was in 2002 when we were scoring 30 points a game and turning opponents one-dimensional. Our system sucks.
Why would that suddenly change?
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Al Davis is saving the zone schemes for the playoffs.. Who’d expect that.. Genius he is
January 15th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Hill, think of how much money LeBeau saves the Steelers every year.
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Is it LeBeau or Hairamalu?
That defense just doesn’t quite look the same when he’s not on the field.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Anquan Boldin doing his best Louis Murphy impression. What a waste.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
He was very eratic early and if he had made a few throws they blow Pittspuke out.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
LeBeau can plug in big DEs that don’t get fancy stats, who can be had for less than a million a year.
Every year LeBeau saves that team multiple millions.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
If only JaMarcus could shed tackles like Big Ben sheds lawsuits..
January 15th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Who are these plug in players you are talking about?
Pitts D STUNK just LAST YEAR without Hair.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Now I see why they said earlier in a pre-game show that they needed o take the training wheels off Flacco. Well IMO they need to put them back on him. He really stinks
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I wouldn’t mind seeing Flacco in S&B. Bring him in Hue. Give JC some real competition.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Man it blows me away the way the refs allow Pitt Oline to hold the way they do. That is the worse officiating I can remember except for when they played the Raiders they let them tackle us.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
PIE-YOWWWWWWW!
What a hit!
January 15th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Hill, LeBeau had a top 10 D in Pittsburgh back in the mid-90s when Hair was in high school here in Oregon.
He’s THAT good.
Davis not bringing in Monte Kiffin showed me he was definitely not committed to excellence.
DC are top 5 most important people on a football team. QB, O-Line, D-Line, D Coordinator would be my emphasis.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
zone defense at its finest….
January 15th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
I would most definitely mind it he stinks he’s just on a great team. That guy couldn’t carry a passing game with this team forget it he has one of the brightest minds at OC in the league. He just dinks and dunks everything.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Like I said: My money’s on the Steelers.
Great game.
Smash mouth football.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
You can’t let that happen!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 15th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Nakamu…Naka…Naka…Na kanna work here anymore.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
3rd and 19 and the Steelers give up that pass?????
Well I guess I shouldn’t be so hard on CJ37 and Stan Routt, lol!
January 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
if Steelers win, that will go right along with the Packers giving up that 3rd and 16(?) to the Eagles a couple years back in the playoff game.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Rush three on 3rd and 19, yep there are a plethora of stupid coaches in the NFL. Rob Ryan could’ve done that.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
You cannot stop speed no matter what defensive scheme you run he just flat outran their coverage…….period
January 15th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
its the “superior” zone defense people want…
January 15th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Alex,
it was 4th and 24, Pack v Phi.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
That is max coverage it was the right call it wasn’t executed.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Look at the holding in the middlke of that formation and the ref calls holding on the defense.
The fix is the refs are definitely crooked.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Pitts is at home, they should get the calls.
Baltimore turning the ball over and giving up that 3rd and 19 has a lot more to do with this than the refs.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
“Good afternoon, Mr. Davis. We are ready to begin our financial meeting. It looks like, in an effort to run a top defense, you are looking at giving:
Seymour $10 million a year,
Kelly $7 million a year,
McClain $5 million a year,
Nnamdi $10 million a year,
Huff $5 million a year,
and now Champ Bailey $7 million a year.
Rumor is you also want to offer Ngata $7 million a year.
Sir, you are ruining the finances of this franchise. May I suggest switching schemes to a 3-4 defense? Those run about half the cost of what you want done here.
Might I also add that your expensive method hasn’t worked in over 20 years now?”
January 15th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Yeah right come on Jhill get the calls what is this BB and Mike Jordan. That’s crap man.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Thanks Lonetree.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Boldin’s drop is going to cost the Ravens bigtime.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Squib kicks are sooooooo dumb.
“Hey, let’s give the team the ball at midfield. That helps our D, right?”
Chances of a huge run back are like 1 in 20.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
There’s your 3-4 zone pressure D.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
How is LeBeau not worth more than Rolando McClain, or even Nnamdi? Watching greatness.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
again he stinks!! mason had his man beat the ball is short.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
bey catches that….housh didnt
January 15th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
our schedule next year has the same win % as it did this year
January 15th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
wow TJ. wow.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
and Houshmanzadeh does his best DHB impression. What a waste.
January 15th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
The Steelers can be had they’re not that good the Ravens gave this game away…………period
January 15th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
T.J. Welcome to free agency
January 15th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Steelers were down 21-3. They earned it. High Character Organization. Hat’s off.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
If I wanted a 3-4 defense, I would have it. I am the man and I want mano y mano. I have spoken, so pipe down youngins. Mano y Mano it is. It worked with Lester and it will work now. Always has. We have the #1 defense every year. What’s your point? Speak.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Bey is clutch, Housh is nawt!
January 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
priesttj Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Now I see why they said earlier in a pre-game show that they needed o take the training wheels off Flacco. Well IMO they need to put them back on him. He really stinks.
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Yeah. Its year what, 3? I think Flacco is a solid QB, maybe a slight peck above average for a starter, but he’s not great by any stretch. Way overrated.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Steelers got this gift wrapped and handed to them.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
100percent,
let’s look at the teams we’re playing, instead of how the NFC west beating each other makes their win % higher than it should be.
49ers = Patriots
Rams = Jets
Cardinals = Packers
come on, man
January 15th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Flacco is the QB you DO make excuses like “he’ll improve, he’s young, he’s from Delaware and 25.”
But yeah, some big drops there.
Still looked 100 times better against the Steelers than our JC and his 20 QB rating.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
I huess the ravens are a low character Org. so they didn’t earn it. lol what a joke!!
January 15th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Priesttj
Whaddya think about migrating to a 3-4? It seems all playoff teams are using it.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Yep Flacco is a avg QB on a great team. I can’t disagree with that. Way overrated. But that’s the east coast bias I suppose
January 15th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
PhucF Pissburg! (Although my time in and around that city was most impressive encountering fine persons no matter whether I identified myself as an Oaktown fan or not. The actual pi##ers are on the the other end of the state in Philly. Living in Philly made New York seem like a colony of Buddhists.)
January 15th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
lol, Antonio Brown would be our #1 receiver. Sad.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Terrapin, I didn’t think Flacco was that highly rated to start with. Didn’t most see him as an above average up-and-comer?
What he did against the Steelers is about average, maybe even above-average, compared to what most QBs do against them.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I do say what your saying. I just think its crazy to write the team off when this season isnt even over yet. we can expect improvement from several players at key positions, ie houston, romac, veldheer, shaughnessy. its undeniable that this team was better than any of the last 7, and its built around a young core that should improve. i saw a team learning how to win games this year and hopefully they will come ready to play against the upper echelon teams. and we would not be the only teams to lose against those teams anyways, and of hte 3 teams you mentioned, we lost to 2 of them. a loss to sf counts the same as a loss to gb or ne
January 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Alex,
Flaccid, blah blah blah, blah blah blah.
Your “rue the day” when Flaccid…blah, blah, blah.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
bey catches that….housh didnt
###########
I wouldn’t bet my life savings on that.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Steelers were down 21-3. They earned it. High Character Organization. Hat’s off.
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Absolutely!
January 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Terrapin, I didn’t think Flacco was that highly rated to start with. Didn’t most see him as an above average up-and-comer?
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Geez, you were using him as an example when he was up 21-3.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
I’d gladly take Flacco’s 3,600 / 25td / 10int line from my 3rd year QB.
Guy goes from playing QB at Delaware to top 15 NFL QB.
Nice career arc.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Huejack can point to the fact that when he was Flaccid’s coach Joe never lost to the Pitts in the playoffs.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Top 15 you say? Yeah, that’s average.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
KK, please don’t butt in if you can’t read.
He was an example of the many better QBs than JC. Your point?
January 15th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Steelers have character and stability. I have been the stable one with lots of character. That is why my Raiduhs are #1 in defense and #1 in offense every year.
Now you just watch me bring the greatness of the Raiduhs back.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
21-3. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
Steelers are that good. Ravens on my bad list.
21-3 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Steelers win. Ravens go home.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
KC and SD have to play the same teams. we all know KC is a fraud, they fared no better if not worse than us against good teams. they played buf instead of pitt thats a pretty fortunate scheduling difference for them. i still think we were the best team in the west we just didnt get it done early in the year, by the end we would have beat teams like ari sf and tenn
January 15th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Yeah Terrapin, I figured most people have him somewhere in the 12-15 slot, which is great for a 3rd year guy.
Next year, he’s top 12 probably. No shame in coming up a bit short to Pittsburgh at their home. 150 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT is actually not bad facing that D.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
No shame in coming up a bit short to Pittsburgh at their home. 150 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT is actually not bad facing that D.
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Ah, but JC, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, huh?
January 15th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Rice and Flaccid gave the ball away inside the thirty for two touchdowns and a field goal on the road in the playoffs, exactly how did the Pi%%burgers earn that? These were not tomahawk fumbles, they were “here you are please take it” GIVEAWAYS.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
priesttj Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Steelers got this gift wrapped and handed to them.
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Say what?!!!
These are two real tough teams and neither is gift wrapping anything for anybody!
January 15th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
100percent,
what’s the difference between the early Titans, 49ers, and Cardinals compared to the late-season Dolphins and Jaguars?
Similar lack of running game (Dolphins), similar overmatched O-line (Dolphins), similar lack of run D (Jaguars), similar lack of QB play (Dolphins), similar big plays given up by pass D (both).
January 15th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Alex,
Flaccid, blah blah blah, blah blah blah.
Your “rue the day” when Flaccid…blah, blah, blah.
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LOl!
January 15th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Yes KK, JC got us 3 points, 70 yards passing all game, 0 TDs, 2 INTs.
Bruce came in and put up 70 yards in the 4th quarter alone.
JC was baaaaaaaaaaaaad, much worse.
I’m glad you agree.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
England, what’s with the thousand plus signs?
lol, what’s going on here with me and Flacco that I’m not aware of? He was average! I want our QB to at least be average in these big games.
settle down people, settle down
January 15th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Alex
We’re set at QB, get over it.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
im not going to get into this. clearly those teams are better than the teams we played this year but that doesnt mean we cant make improvements, develop our players and beat them. if you want to preach all this doom and gloom and tell us how much the raiders are hopeless go work for espn or write on a chiefs blog or something.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
dang, just saw Gradkowski was actually our leading passer in the Steelers game. I can see a liiiiiiiitle bit better why Hue would have benched JC the next week vs Miami.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Marshall is gone
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?entry_id=81072
January 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
100percent says,
“I’m not going to get into this. Now let me get into this. aksdkjlk, fndklajsf. If you fjkldajfkl, jaklfjdklasf,j klajlkdsjf, jlakfjdklajf.”
you guys are so serious for being on a blog.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Here is the full blog on #Raiders not bringing defensive coordinator John Marshall back. http://sfg.ly/ehhNtd
January 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Why is it playoffgames most often are boring!??
January 15th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Raider75 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Marshall is gone
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if we are lucky we’ll get Sean McDermott…
I know many here want Wauffle as DC, but I think he is too important on the D-line, since that is were we have been weakest for years…
January 15th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
raidersbuzztap Oakland Raiders Buzz
Silver & Black >> Raiders let Marshall go http://buzztap.com/-7WM1hJ
January 15th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Raiders D rank (total yards).
2003 – 30
2004 – 30
2005 – 27
2007 – 22
2008 – 27
2009 – 26
2010 – 11th ******** (Thank you Marshall. Now leave.)
What is wrong with Davis???
January 15th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
I wonder who AL plans to bring in.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Minnesota is a mess, for the last decade the bears have alternated good and bad seasons, the lions are about the same as us, the bills are a mess, the dolphins are a mess, i see plenty of winnable games. mark sanchez is not a good qb if you ask me. im sure some of those teams have free agents and will change throughout the offseason. my point is its pointless to write us off now, just need to worry about the team we are all here to root for
January 15th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
i guess they had the same players all those years on d…
January 15th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Agreed Negra,
Waufle needs a raise and nothing more. No more Peter Principles.
Sean McDermott? Here? Bwahahaha.
Willie Shaw – top 15 D, let go.
Chuck Bresnahan – top 15 D, let go.
John Marshall – top 15 D, let go.
Rob Ryan – bottom 5 D, extended.
My goodness.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
595.PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
I wonder who AL plans to bring in.
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Whoever the next HC wants as a DC.
You didn’t really expect Al to force Marshall on the next HC, did you?
January 15th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
100 percent, the Dolphins, in all their mess, kicked our butts at our house.
“The lions are about the same as us” I would kinda agree with you, except they have more potential because of Stafford and Johnson.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Hill,
you think Al will let whoever Hue brings in run his own style?
That’d be a breath of fresh air.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Raider75,
forgot to say thanks for the link. Thanks.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
England, what’s with the thousand plus signs?
lol, what’s going on here with me and Flacco that I’m not aware of? He was average! I want our QB to at least be average in these big games.
settle down people, settle down
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Alex,when it’s funny, it’s funny.
Thousand plus signs? More like fifty-five Alex.
For the record, I’m not big on Flacco or Mr Campbell Alex and I’m sure as hell not crazy about Al Davis lately.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Letting Marshall go was likely the right call. Too many points were given up on defense. Its unacceptable.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Great, bring back Ryan and his prevent D.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Agreed Negra,
Waufle needs a raise and nothing more. No more Peter Principles.
Sean McDermott? Here? Bwahahaha.
Willie Shaw – top 15 D, let go.
Chuck Bresnahan – top 15 D, let go.
John Marshall – top 15 D, let go.
Rob Ryan – bottom 5 D, extended.
My goodness.
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Bwahahaahha here in LMN land thats very funny =)
January 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Can we all just agree logic does not make sense when talking about the Raiders. Boring, but oh well. Go Raiders.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Alex,
I think we will still primarily be a 4 man front offense with a lot of man.
I would be surprised to see a 3-4 although that is my wish.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Why is it playoffgames most often are boring!??
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Hey LMN!!!
What are you kidding! You thought this was boring?!
January 15th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
I can’t even tell you what Shaw or Bresnahan is doing these days. So that should tell you something.
This is an extremely talented defense Marshall was given and it so underachieved. 30+pts given up way too much this year.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
the dolphins are in a state of flux just like us. i think ricky and ronnie brown are FA, and they certainly arent going to be a passing team, henne looked good cuz he got to pick on walter mc all day. plus they were historically bad at home this year and cable inexplicably started grads after saying all week JC would start, gotta think that threw the team off.
stafford is always hurt. I see some winnable games is my point. not trying to fight just want to talk some raider football without hearing that the sky is falling, we have more to be hopeful about more now than in a long time. im sure some of those teams are looking at us and saying we have to stop mcfadden and keep that d-line off our qb.
i agree with letting marshall go, that defense was way too talented to give up the points it did, especially agaisnt miami, tennessee and jax. we gave up 30+ to every team in the afc south, thats not acceptable.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Terrapin, we were 13th in points allowed. I mean, everyone gives up 30 points during a season. Ravens just did.
The run defense, every single year, falls on Al Davis and his scheme.
Not sure that we’re likely to do much better unless Al allows someone to install the 3-4 zone.
Wondering why we’re not giving Marshall the same leeway we give JC as far as improving. 13th overall in points isn’t too shabby.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Our defense will underachieve every year as long as Al lives. The system will not change no matter who is brought in, and Al will still play bump n run man regardless of the league constantly slanting rules to help the offense.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
AFC south is kinda legit. Texans, Titans, Colts, Jaguars. Those teams can score.
I’m not fighting either 100, just enjoy bantering back and forth. Good brain exercise.
I would blame our lack of top-shelf D for the PAST SEVEN YEARS on two things:
1) Lack of top QB to keep D off field.
2) Lack of zone D to help in run game.
None of those have to do with Marshall.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Why is it playoffgames most often are boring!??
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Hey LMN!!!
What are you kidding! You thought this was boring?!
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the first 3Q’s were boring, bad playcalls and jitterish players, the finish was great though, but its the entire game that counts to me, when we talk entertainment…
if the movie-credits are great it doesnt make a great movie, or, if you see a girl has a nice a55 it doesnt make here pretty, if she ie has an ugly face…
ohh and Hey Englandraider =) happy playoffs =)
January 15th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
LMN put some money on the game and every play will count.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
# TerrapinRaider Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
I can’t even tell you what Shaw or Bresnahan is doing these days. So that should tell you something.
This is an extremely talented defense Marshall was given and it so underachieved. 30+pts given up way too much this year.
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true, but explain why a guy like Ro-Ry gets extended and he had an even more talented D? he was evidently a worse DC than Marshall, im not defending Marshall, but the logic is missing…
January 15th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Raider510, solid post. Seems easy for me to see that, but unfortunately Al isn’t doesn’t believe it.
I guess Al looks at our good D years (2000 – 2002) and doesn’t notice our MVP QB and zone mixing D-Coordinators (Shaw, Bresnahan).
January 15th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Hey LMN!
Great to see you on here!
“If a girl has a nice a55″……………
Sorry, I didn’t get passed that part.
How you doing Dane?
I hope you’re thanking Winston Churchill for beating the crap out of Hitler.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
# Raider 510 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
LMN put some money on the game and every play will count.
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thats what I used to do, but I wasted all my money on an extension for my vacation home in Sweden, needed more rooms..
so I cant bet the next 2-3 years..
but if I could I would have said GB vs NE in the SB, said that since week 3
January 15th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Terrapin, Shaw is about 65 years old, understandable if he’s done with the game.
Point is both of those guys succeeded. What exactly does Al realistically want/expect?
Is he not watching all these 3-4 zone teams in the playoffs?
Does he not see his ridiculous #1 payroll because he needs 11 stars on defense?
January 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Davis passed on Monte Kiffin, a HOF talent.
He’s honestly not committed to winning, whatever it takes.
It has to be done his way, even if it means not getting it done.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Alex: Seriously, an illegal contact penalty is 5 yards and automatic 1st down? The offenses are already getting more advanced every year they don’t need help from guys in suits. Ol stubborn Al…all we can do is hope.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Hey LMN!
Great to see you on here!
“If a girl has a nice a55″……………
Sorry, I didn’t get passed that part.
How you doing Dane?
I hope you’re thanking Winston Churchill for beating the crap out of Hitler.
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you know me, I have bowed down towards his grave, 5 times a day praying thanks for the mighty Winston =)
January 15th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Letting Marshall go was likely the right call. Too many points were given up on defense. Its unacceptable.
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Geez, you might think about it before you genuflect automatically.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
510,
Are you saying we get more penalties called against us b/c we play man to man?
January 15th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Letting Marshall go was likely the right call. Too many points were given up on defense. Its unacceptable.
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Geez, you might think about it before you genuflect automatically.
The Raiders were, after-all, 2nd in the league in Sacks & Pass Defense.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Raider510,
the saddest comment I have heard regarding Al and his system is one DB who left us telling us how Willie Brown was coaching them all 70s style. The quote was something like:
“Brown is always telling us ‘you gotta maul the receiver, be physical, and he was showing us with his hands, and all I was thinking was, ‘man, this isn’t 1970, that’s just a penalty now.”
We are stuck sooooooooo far behind.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
genuflect??
wtf does that mean?
btw, this game seems more like it =)
January 15th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
When asked about Marshall being let go, #Raiders senior exec John Herrera said team had staff evaluations last week & they are confidential
January 15th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
If every single year, your run D is bottom 10, you might want to stop blaming the 4 DCs you’ve forced to run your system this decade.
Just a thought.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
big problems for me on defense were personnel issues, ie keeping branch of the field even though he consistently gets toasted, and lack of turnovers. with our pass rush we should have been able to get more turnovers
January 15th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
That was Chris Johnson saying that Alex.
January 15th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
J Hill: I’m saying our defense is dependent on jamming receivers at the line. That is the plan, well, some guys in suits decided to make that an automatic first down so now we’re stuck between playing our game and not committing “stupid” penalties. Big time catch 22.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Hey LMN!
Great to see you on here!
“If a girl has a nice a55″……………
Sorry, I didn’t get passed that part.
How you doing Dane?
I hope you’re thanking Winston Churchill for beating the crap out of Hitler.
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you know me, I have bowed down towards his grave, 5 times a day praying thanks for the mighty Winston =)
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Well, I should damn well hope so.
I always bow down five times a day to the memory of King Canute and on weekends go down to the ocean and try to make the tide stop-just like Al Davis.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Thanks Hill.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
cottovic Victor Cotto
@
@VittorioTafur NASA and the CIA allows more credible leaks than the Oakland #Raiders
January 15th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
510,
When did jamming at the line become a penalty? They still get 5yds to “bump” all they want.
The PI down the field is what kills us. That and the miscommunication in the secondary.
I think our man coverage is pretty goog most of the time.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Does anyone realize we traded our 2nd round draft pick in 2008 for DeAngelo Hall? With that pick we could have got DeSean Jackson.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
100PercentRaider Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
big problems for me on defense were personnel issues, ie keeping branch of the field even though he consistently gets toasted
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Agreed.
Scott at OLB.
5 Safeties.
The BIG Nickle.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
That’s the thing guys, with man to man, you can’t have a single weak link on D otherwise it gets picked on.
That’s dang hard to do. And expensive.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
If Al is such a genious, why is he the only owner to ever have a team exit the super bowl, winner or loser, and put up 7 losing seasons in a row? Just cause he let cable and marshall walk doesn’t automatically get a “he knows what he’s doing” pass. I see an angry impatient man whos lost what talent he once had.
Anyone got any insight as to what Hue thinks of all this? Is he next to walk?
I aint saying cable or marshall were great, but we had good numbers and momentum, and in comes the wrecking ball. When was the last time our D put us in position to score this many points.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Jhill: Obviously DB’s get 5 yards to bump. But be them for a second. You come to the line have to diagnose what route might be ran based on formation, bump, then turn and run while knowing exactly where the 5 yard cut-off limit is at all times. Good luck winning that battle 5/10 times with 6′3′ 220 receivers coming at you. Oh yea and if you get tired of getting shoved by this big a55 dude and wanna really stick it to him, you might get that chance but you’ll end up hurting your team with an automatic first down penalty, more than likely.
Point is. The penalty is what it is but with those odds I wouldn’t make that the foundation of my Defense’s success. I think 31 teams in the NFL have realized that.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Alex,
My point is I think we now have the talent to play man to man. Provided we bring back Huff, Nnamdi, Routt, and Seymour that is, lol.
Tyvon Branch would be out at SS. Mitchell and Brown can battle it out for that spot. I’d lean toward Brown since he has better FS skills. I’d like for those positions to be interchangeable, and Mitchell hasn’t looked to good on the backend of coverage. Huff needs to be free to move around.
Nnamdi
Huff
Routt
Brown
CJ37
McFadden
I like that group of guys.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Dang. Nnamdi watching Woodson blitz from the slot = “where can I do that?”
January 15th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Charles Woodson is a future Hall of Famer, no?
January 15th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Alex
Maybe Davis is going 3-4.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Maybe Marshall wanted to go. He is like 70 years old and his contract was up.
Maybe it was him who said no.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
8-8, 6-0 in the Div. 2nd in the NFL is Rushing, Sacks, Pass Defense.
And, Al Davis is taking it apart?????
January 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Wouldn’t it be funny to hear hererra come out at the next pc and say:
‘first off I’d like everybody to know I am just the messenger, so I’ll field no questions. Today we are letting Hue walk. We feel this is in the better interests of the Raider organization and Hue does not fit the direction the owner wants to take for the club. We wish Mr. Jackson the best but feel with our new oc, he will have a better opportunity to work with our new hc, tho we have not found one yet, there is still no timetable for that.’
January 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
510,
I see what you’re saying. I think that comes into play when the ball is in the air, right? Not quite sure how that is going to change if we play off or zone. Hopefully our DBs will still be in a position to fight for the ball, and we’ll probably still see some of those same calls.
I like our man to man defense. I guess I just have rose colored glasses on, lol.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Hill, agreed that we COULD have as much secondary talent as I’ve seen here since the C.Wood/T. James/R. Woodson days.
Whether that much man-to-man can work is still a mystery.
MAYBE if Davis re-signs Huff and Aso, a quality DC looks at this situation as worthwhile.
I just don’t know many modern, quality DCs that even KNOW how to run man-to-man that much.
But we did see Al allow Marshall to try different stuff, so maybe he’ll continue allowing it.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
But we did see Al allow Marshall to try different stuff, so maybe he’ll continue allowing it.
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No, he won’t. 8 losses is unacceptable and 30+ is not either. Back to man to man, all the time.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
The Jets run man to man.
All this talk about Revis locking up whoever he covers is straight man to man defense.
Most teams don’t play man to man because they don’t have the corners to do it.
Atlanta is playing man to man, just have their corners 5 -10 yds off the ball.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
MAAAaaan, My FFL-man WR James Jones are rocking git =)
January 15th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Woodson is matching up with a WR and playing man to man. Yes, he’s moving from the slot to outside, etc, but they are playing man to man.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
What a catch by James Jones, he was in that second round too. We were too busy trying to satisfy our outdated system.
But to continue what Alex was saying earlier about our defense being better when we had an MVP at QB. The times I’ve seen our D at its best is when the O has put points on the board early, or were able to sustain drives. It allows our 4 man line to get after the QB, which seems to me the only way Al’s defense can work. Not to mention teams don’t run as much when they’re behind.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
The Jets run man to man…
not according to Rex, according to him they run Cover 7
January 15th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
The Falcons put on a zone clinic the other week on a Monday Night win vs the Saints. Kept them to 17 points, mixing up their looks and flooding intermediate zones.
It was fun to watch.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Matty Ice ????
January 15th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
I think we can cross Green Bay off the list of possible destinations for Nnamdi
January 15th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Hill I know you just saw Williams playing off and taking that to the house. Beautiful.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
We passed up on both A. Rodgers and R. White to draft speedy CB Fabian Washington.
510, exactly. We played with a lead in KC, and you saw our D-Line finally NOT get worn down having a RB shoved down their throat 30 times.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
So Nnamdi is going to Atlanta, they sure needs a CB down there…
January 15th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Nnamdi is NOT going to GB to play with Woodson. They just gave this Williams kids a big raise and he’s playing his arsse off. GB doesn’t need Nnamdi. Same with the Jets. They can pay Cromartie half of what it would take to get Nnamdi.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Gettin a lil workout in at the facility with big zach miller! Gettin him ready for the pro bowl!
about 24 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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Why is our backup QB at the facility getting our Pro Bowl TE ready for the Pro Bowl??
Does Curtis Painter work out Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne in preparation of the Pro Bowl??
Paging Mr. Soup!!!! Your TE wants to catch some balls in the offseason.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
510,
I did, but it was man defense, right? That was a terrible pass and decision by Ice.
I do agree that we should mix up the press coverage aspect of our defense. I think we do for the most part, but CJ and Nnamdi like to play that way, wouldn’t you say?
January 15th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
JFB, you mean our new STARTING qb. haha.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Bruce Gardowski for GM!!!!
January 15th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Vegas,you just got the mark of 666!
January 15th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
sloppy route by the Falcons WR. Looked like an our route from his first 2 steps.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Ok let me get this straight. The very same guys that defended Hue Jack vs the Nit Picking is now nit picking vs Marshall.
Hue Jack:
Prior to Hue: YPG – 31st, Rushing 21st, Passing 29th (with JR), TD’s 31st
With Hue Jack: YPG 10th, rushing 2nd, passing 23rd (without JR), TD’s 9th.
Marshall:
Prior to Marhsall – YPG Allowed 22nd, Rushing Allowed 31st, Passing allowed 10th, and Sacks 13th.
With Marshall – Ypg 11th, Rushing 29th, passing 2nd and sacks 2nd.
So Marshall improved in all areas except for Run D just like Hue improved in all areas except for passing O.
But Hue Jack is a genius but Marshall is a bum right?
January 15th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Ray Rice’s fumble was a huge swing earlier.
When the checkdown goes wrong. Never understood the “benefit” of throwing a two yard pass on 3rd and 15.
Seems like the RB breaks 3 tackles and gets a first down just as much as he fumbles or the pass gets deflected in the air for a pick.
Just throw the ball out of bounds if your going to concede the play.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Paging Mr. Soup!!!! Your TE wants to catch some balls in the offseason.
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He’s busy getting his timing down with DHB and Ford.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Good to know that Zack Miller is at least catching passes from someone (Bruce in this case) at the facility at 7pm on a Friday night.
He dropped too many passes last year!!
January 15th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
When the checkdown goes wrong. Never understood the “benefit” of throwing a two yard pass on 3rd and 15.
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Field position. Take the 10 yds and punt the ball with a 2 TD lead.
Fumble was HUGE!
January 15th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
JFB,
How about your boy Matty Ice?
January 15th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
James Jones has been dropping passes all year, but he catches TD’s and does make big plays.
It wouldn’t be all bad with all of DHB’s drops, if he scored a TD more than once every 3 months.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Gettin a lil workout in at the facility with big zach miller! Gettin him ready for the pro bowl!
about 24 hours ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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dude, Bruce is a twittering whore. My goodness dude tweets every 20 mins I think. He started asking Bush about who Bush wants as the next HC and here is what Bush responded with…too effin funny….
michaelbush29 Michael Bush
@ @bgradkowski5 @Mr53 how come u asking me lol I’m staying away from those questing. Lol @michaelbush29
January 15th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
When the checkdown goes wrong. Never understood the “benefit” of throwing a two yard pass on 3rd and 15.
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Me neither, that’s why I didn’t like Gruden.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Raiders were 20th in points allowed. Not 13th. Not sure where you got that from.
January 15th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Ok let me get this straight. The very same guys that defended Hue Jack vs the Nit Picking is now nit picking vs Marshall.
Hue Jack:
Prior to Hue: YPG – 31st, Rushing 21st, Passing 29th (with JR), TD’s 31st
With Hue Jack: YPG 10th, rushing 2nd, passing 23rd (without JR), TD’s 9th.
Marshall:
Prior to Marhsall – YPG Allowed 22nd, Rushing Allowed 31st, Passing allowed 10th, and Sacks 13th.
With Marshall – Ypg 11th, Rushing 29th, passing 2nd and sacks 2nd.
So Marshall improved in all areas except for Run D just like Hue improved in all areas except for passing O.
But Hue Jack is a genius but Marshall is a bum right?
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why do you have to ruin it for them with fancy logic?
January 15th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
The Jets run man to man…
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not according to Rex, according to him they run Cover 7
January 15th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Starks looks like Eddie George out there.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
uhhh I didnt post points allowed for Defense but if you must ask.
13th is for sacks.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Bruce is making his progression to media member, lol.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Aaron Rogers in an elite QB!
January 15th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Sorry LMN, I just wanted to make sure Marshall gets a fair shake.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Aaron Rodgers is going to be a Hall of Famer.
Larry Allen and Aaron Rodgers, two future Hall of Famers, and fighting Road Runners from THE Butte Community College.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Talking about them Niners whiffing on the #1 selection at the QB position. At least Brady Quinn hasnt turned out so hot so that we’re not reminded of it every day by the media.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Atl getting handled at home
January 15th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
So Wannstedt will be our next DC ? or what, freaky guess, but Al sure like those types of hires =)
January 15th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Man, GB is a very dangerous team. So many weapons.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Jhill consider this: CJ and Routt both had their best years, but in a game, for as long as they’re playing good, the 1 or 2 plays they completely blow it, those seem to stick in my head far more than them shutting down their man 8/10 times. I know you can’t argue that. My solution is investing heavily in the Dline, or finding a great quarterback or quarterback who doesn’t turn the ball over. Of course its Brain Dead Al’s team.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Wannstedt is a good DC and lousy HC. I wouldnt mind him at all but Al wants someone that runs his D and dare not blitz. I believe Marshall was let go because he blitz too often against Al’s wishes.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Alex 7 posted 13th in points allowed. It was 20th. Thats what I’m correcting.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
# J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Aaron Rogers in an elite QB!
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yup, he should be in the PRObowl
January 15th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
for as long as they’re playing good, the 1 or 2 plays they completely blow it, those seem to stick in my head far more than them shutting down their man 8/10 times. I know you can’t argue that.
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I won’t argue with that at all. CJ37 more than anyone seemed to be the victim of untimely penalties and not getting his head around on a 3rd down play.
But 80% for a DB is damn good. I really don’t expect our CBs to have shut outs. Those other guys are getting paid too.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
my bad! I knew the 11th total yards, which I think is more fair than points (D can’t help it if we turn it over a lot).
Not sure where I got 13th from.
Regardless, Marshall was the best DC we’ve had here in a long time.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Wannstedt is a good DC and lousy HC. I wouldnt mind him at all but Al wants someone that runs his D and dare not blitz. I believe Marshall was let go because he blitz too often against Al’s wishes.
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true, Wannstedt and Norv, is a bit alike, really good Coordinators, but not so great HC’s..
you might be right on blitzing part, I think Al thought we had way to many sacks this year =)
but it could be fun to see how Al and Wannstedt would mingle =)
January 15th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Marshall was gettin old as dirt ..born in 45 …that guy shoudl’ve been in retirement. He’s 70 years old. Maybe he just couldn’t continue, didn’t have the stamina or relate to the players. Who knows.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Yeah, overall our pass D is solid. Look at atlanta’s getting sliced up.
It’s that silly man-to-man run defense that’s holding us back. And changing DCs won’t help that.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
so long as we run man-to-man, we will always be suspect to the potential big run. Our Dline and LB corp will have to step it up next year to prevent the man-to-man Run D weakness.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
I believe in 2009 against the Eagles Marshall blitzed all day and it was the difference maker. Afterward Nnamdi admitted that big Al was not going to be happy.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Well you had the batch of second tier guys with a chance to really elevate themselves this postseason.
Rodgers, Ryan, Casell, Flacco and Cutler tomorrow.
Rodgers looks to be the only one ready to take that extra leap.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Wouldnt it be funny if we have Seattle hosting the AFC champ game? Go Hawks baby!!!!!!
January 15th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
71 years old! I wouldn’t put too much into his contract not extending. It could be any reason. He didnt stink like Cabes just so I’m clear.
Giving up so many points in unacceptable but he was not a bad DC.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Hill, seriously it’s not even 80% I was being nice. Even if they were playing at that high of a level the fact that the big plays kill us more than 80% (more like 60%) helps us means something is not right. Football is a game of momentum so get a beastly D-line and get some more turnovers. How may INT’s did we get this year with that man to man?
January 15th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Sorry, nearly 66 years old. My bad.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Marshall was gettin old as dirt ..born in 45 …that guy shoudl’ve been in retirement. He’s 70 years old…
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how do you get to that?
January 15th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Again you have two teams in the Ravens and Falcons considered to have this great offensive line.
You can have the best in the biz out there, and you aren’t blocking James Harrison and Clay Matthews on 3rd down and long.
You just aren’t. We need to focus on getting the James Harrison or Clay Matthews type, and pass on the fancy LT’s who can’t block them anyway.
Michael Oher today?? Was that Mario Henderson?? Couldn’t tell the difference.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
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# TerrapinRaider Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Sorry, nearly 66 years old. My bad.
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fair enough, lets say 65, he is born in October
January 15th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Marshall’s collectin social security what does he care ..lol
j/k
January 15th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
510,
A beastly Dline?
Who don’t you like on our Dline?
January 15th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
man, there are alot of GB fans there!!!!
January 15th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Michael Oher today?? Was that Mario Henderson?? Couldn’t tell the difference.
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For real!
January 15th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
We need to focus on getting the James Harrison or Clay Matthews type,
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Trevor Scott ?????
January 15th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Hill I like our D-line. Seymour is more important to this team then Nnamdi in my opinion. We could use another DT, scott is good not great, and same for sho nasty. If we could combine Scott and Shaugnessy into one person that would do wonders.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
if your D isnt going to be lights out (Packers, Patriots, Colts, Saints) you better have a heck of a passing game.
Learn that, Oakland.
C. Johnson, Peterson, McFadden, Foster, MJD, and Gore are all sitting at home.
QB league.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Trevor Scott ?????
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I was pleased with Cam’ron.
Disappeared at times, and really only has that one dip his shoulder move, but he is pretty good at it.
One of the few guys on the team with the explosiveness to just blow up a play all by himself.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Atlanta will be investing in another WR this off-season.
I didn’t watch the beginning of this game. Is Turner even playing?
January 15th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
510,
I LOVE ShoNasty.
I’d like to see us get a stud WLB and use him in blitz packages alond with the rest of our LBs. I agree with you that we could see more pressure.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Definitely agree WLB is a priority in this draft.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
The goal-line extends into the out of bounds area. Extends infinitely.
Weird rule I learned the other year officiating. That’s why that was a TD. You can reach the ball across the goal-line in out-of-bounds area as long as your body is still in bounds, and it’s a TD. Weird.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Falcons’ DB coach is going to be looking for a new job.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Any confirmation Marshall has been “let go”?
January 15th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Raiders need to resign Mr. Seymour, Mr. Wimbley, and Mr. Asomugha.
Then sign FA LBs Hali & Woodley on Def
and WR-Rice & G-Mankins on off
January 15th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Rodgers has a 3 year advantage on Flacco, Ryan.
But yeah, we passed on him
Not like we had a QB in 2004/05 when he was drafted.
If only he’d run a faster 40!
January 15th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
707.TerrapinRaider Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
71 years old! I wouldn’t put too much into his contract not extending. It could be any reason. He didnt stink like Cabes just so I’m clear.
Giving up so many points in unacceptable but he was not a bad DC.
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I don’t see anything wrong with the age thing. At least he’e closer in years to the GM.
January 15th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Jay Cutler 86.3
Eli Manning 85.3
Jason Campbell 84.5
Carson Palmer 82.4
Mark Sanchez 75.3
January 15th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
the first game was boring for the first 3 Q’s, this game was boring for the last 3Q’s..
why the he11 cant we get a playoff game that is interesting from start to end!?
Atlanta is going to fire their DB coach, and hire Nnamdi…
January 15th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
I remember some of us wanted Raji if Crabtree wasn’t going to be the pick last year. Weird when fans can run the draft better than the owner.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
I didn’t watch the beginning of this game. Is Turner even playing?
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Turner was great in 1st, but as Atl came behind, they passed more, and then we never saw turner again…
more or less
January 15th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Raji would still be 3rd string here in Oakland. Wouldn’t have been a good pick.
Not that my drunken choice Maulauga would have been any better, lol.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
and Matty displays all of his flaws at home,
January 15th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
3rd string? He wouldn’t have beaten out Terdell Sands?
We traded for Seymour once the season started.
Might still have our 1st rounder too!
January 15th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
yo M…
what did you mean by you were 1000 ears old, you posted last night?
January 15th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
*years
January 15th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
total meltdown..
January 15th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
BJ Raji wasn’t going to stop that disaster at DE that was Trevor Scott. We still would’ve needed to make that deal.
Raji would’ve been 3rd string behind Warren and Kelly when he was drafted.
Maybe we don’t draft Houston if we drafted Raji and Seymour is on the left side of our Dline.
I guess that wouldn’t be a bad thing.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
if seahawks win tomorrow, and Packers win over Seahawks in the NFC final, Packers will have won over 3 bird teams in the Playoffs =)
and meet NE in the SB… and lose :/
January 15th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Gotta give it to the Italian PM. Dude knows how to party and aint apologizing for it either.
“In 2009, his second wife, Veronica Lario, announced she was divorcing him, citing Berlusconi’s purported fondness for younger women. Berlusconi has made no apologies for his lifestyle, but has denied ever paying to have sex.”
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/FILE—Thursday-Nov-11-2010-file-photo-Moroccan-girl/photo//110114/481/urn_publicid_ap_org92d955132d414807b280ff255b1a6414//s:/ap/20110115/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_berlusconi
January 15th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
We should at least try to get Kevin Kolb. Not saying Jason Campbell sucks but he ain’t nothing to get excited about.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
So Negra, the Packers only hope was to meet the Ravens and keep the bird-smashing party going?
That’s inside info right there kiddo, thanks!
January 15th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Come on 510, say it. He sucks. Had a cupcake schedule and was benched twice anyways. 12 TDs, 8 INT, 40 sacks with weakest schedule ever and #2 rush offense to help. Say it! It’s liberating.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
LMN,
I dont know. The Pack might be one of the few teams in the league that can beat NE the way they are playing right now.
Hell, they should’ve beaten late in the season in foxboro, playing with their backup QB.. no less.
The Pack can score enough to keep up with them, and with Clay Mathews and C Wodd blitzing they can pressure Brady. Which you have to do to have any chance of stopping them. See NYG in SB few years back.
Matter of fact, that’s my SB pick. GB vs. NE. Hopefully the Pack can give em a good, old fashioned beat fown.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Old news my friend
Berlusconi is a fashcists (sp intentional) he own all media, and there is practically no democracy down there… but they trying to get the man out, and it might actually happen here in 2011
January 15th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Seahawks defeat the Bears tomorrow, they HOST the Packers in the NFC Championship game.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
LMN,
The Italians lost my respect a looonnnnngggg time ago. To think these dudes used to be the Romans and their mighty legions.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
What kind of team would the Raiders be with Aaron Rodgers at the helm? Rhetorical question, I know. We be in the playoffs, possibly favored, to win the big one. That’s just how important a NFL franchise QB is.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Buckeye…
since week 3, when asked about whom I thought would end-up in the SB, I said NE vs GB, friends thought I was crazy because GB lost their RB =)
btw, one of the Danish NFL pundits, also picked NE-GB, but in week ONE!!! he was asked make a bit on would end-up in the SB each week, and only one week did he stray away from NE vs GB, then he picked NE vs PHI
January 15th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
So Negra, the Packers only hope was to meet the Ravens and keep the bird-smashing party going?
That’s inside info right there kiddo, thanks!
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LOL yeah =)
okay, GB actually have good chance to even win the NE game, I one among many here sure hope so =)
btw, please just call me LMN, it makes it easier for me, to see if someone have written something to me when im either away or sleeping…
you know, the huge time difference..
January 15th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
In this postseason I am rooting for the Packers and ANYONE playing the Cheatriots.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
LMN,
I’d say your pick is looking pretty good my friend. I guess anything can happen, but I don’t see either NYJ or Pittsburgh going into foxboro an beating the Patsies. Don’t see anybody left in NFC stopping GB.
Those two teams seem to be on a collision course. Should make for one hell of an entertaining SB. All I can say is Go, Pack Go!
January 15th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
# JB Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
What kind of team would the Raiders be with Aaron Rodgers at the helm? Rhetorical question, I know. We be in the playoffs, possibly favored, to win the big one. That’s just how important a NFL franchise QB is.
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first, you have to think about GB let him sit and learn from the coaches for THREE years, that is huge, certainly smart, and not going to happen again, because of the money they get..
second, he had stability around him for almost all his career…
those 2 points will never happen in OAK, add to that we were/are a loser franchise while Rogers have been a pro, and GB have been a wining team, and with and winners attitude all around the franchise…
then my guess/answer to you question is! Rogers wouldnt have done much better than Jammy…
Not that I compare their intellect or abilities..
I just think Raiders is a disaster waiting to happen for a rookie QB, hence I hope we never draft another QB meant to be a starter, and certainly not in the 1st round.
Im for getting a grumpy backup, just waiting for his chance…
^^^^^^read Volek!! =)
January 15th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Mr. Woodson just might get to enact some revenge on Brady’s fumble gift wrapped back to him by the refs.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Raiders were able to mold Mr. Stabler into a HOF, Super Bowl QB, but then again he did sit and learn behind Mr. Lamonica and Mr. Blanda for a few years also.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
# buckeyeraider Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
LMN,
I’d say your pick is looking pretty good my friend. I guess anything can happen, but I don’t see either NYJ or Pittsburgh going into foxboro an beating the Patsies. Don’t see anybody left in NFC stopping GB.
Those two teams seem to be on a collision course. Should make for one hell of an entertaining SB. All I can say is Go, Pack Go!
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I have a friend whom is a patsie fan (yeah I know, but I gotta see football with someone)
earlier tonight he said, ” aha, so we’re meeting Steelers in the final” I asked what about the NYJ game, “oh That!?”, “well thats a sure win”
after that I really really hoped NYJ would win, and the AFC would be NYJ-PIT, even if it meant my ‘prediction’ of the SB would end’up wrong
January 15th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Priesttj Says:
September 1st, 2009 at 10:19 pm
So far I’m waiting until I see this fat astard make a single play. He’s doing the same thing I saw him do in the senior bowl nothing. Hightower is running right at them BJ Raji is getting handled.
All you wannabe GM’s, tell me exactly what this guy does that makes you drool over him?
January 15th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
# RaiderRetribution Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Raiders were able to mold Mr. Stabler into a HOF, Super Bowl QB, but then again he did sit and learn behind Mr. Lamonica and Mr. Blanda for a few years also.
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true, but I really dont think its valid to compare the 70’s with this millennial… the money a 1st round QB gets is soo crazy, and btw there was no free agency and salary-roof…
January 15th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
I believe Marshall was let go because he blitz too often against Al’s wishes.
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I’m not sure about that. I think Al would have put a stop to the blitzing if he disagreed with it.
January 15th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Think im going out in the cold taking a smoke after this exciting game, ohh wait i meant disappointing game =)
January 15th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Plunk,
Those are my two favorite teams..The Oakland Raiders and anybody who’s playing the Pats. I have an almost pathological hatred for that organization, from the owner on down.
A lot of it is the Tuck Rule game. Still bitter after all these years. Probably a lil envy over their success. IMO, alot of it’s tainted.
Spygate. The way the comissioner destroyed all the evidence and tried to sweep it under the rug. The way BSPN defended them. I remember Sean Salisbury when he was on NFL LIve was almost indignant..that it gave them any competitive advantage. He said if you people think this has anything to do with their success, them winning SB’s then you people are crazy.
I remember thinking WTF? If they aren’t using it to gain some sort of competitive advantage then why are they doing it? Belichick need some extra credit for his photography classes at the local community college? WTF.
They are the anti-Raiders. Al Davis and the Raiders are anti-establishment. Kraft and the Patriots ARE the establishment.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
I’d take Rodgers over Brady.
Mobility puts him over the top.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
SnB,
Your Boy Raji is having a great season.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
I remember that Salisbury rant.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
I think T Brady is overrated. The spread offense, the scheme, and coaching makes that guy good.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Certainly there’s an advantage to filming the other team’s practice. It let’s them know exactly what things their working on to face the Pats. It’s like having the exam before you take it.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Matt ryan is the QB version of the chargers?
January 15th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
The Raiders have this long standing reputation as a dirty team. At one point in time, it was a well deserved reputation. Not anymore. But they still get held to the exact letter of the law…penalty wise.
I’ve said before..doesn’t matter the era, the coach, the players or the records. Raiders will lead or nearly lead league in penalties.
Gruden’s teams that whent 12-4 and won 3 straight div titles..HOF veteran leadership still led league.
Patriots. The exact opposite. Goody two-shoes reputation, and they get away with murder. They cheat like hell on the field, too. And get away with it. They mauled The greatest show on turf in the SB. Mugged the Colt’s WR’s in AFC Champ. Led to rules changes the following year after public uproar. BS, Those were penalties in any era.
When was the last time you saw a big play from Brady called back because of holding. Ummmm never.
The anti-Raiders.
There, I’m done ranting.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Buckeye,
I hate the pats almost as much as I hate mich.
Go Bucks!
Go Raiders!
Legalize it!
January 15th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
We should get back to being Nasty!!!
Seymour
MM
McClain
Houston
Branch
TK
Wimbley
Groves
This defense can be reap nasty, but we need a good DC, and we need to add a few more players. I believe this defense can be special. Top 5 defense.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
JHill,
They were doing more than filming the other teams practice walkthroughs. That was vs Rams I believe.
They were filming the other teams DC sending signals during the games. I think they would film the first half..watch it and make adjustments at halftime.
Have somebody in the pressbox watching the defenses call come from the sideline and then radio them to Brady. Give him a headsup on what blitz is coming, etc.
That’s why the league made the headsets in the defenses helmets also. So they didn’t have to send them in from the sideline…and deal with the pryin eyes of the cheatin azz Patriots.
That’s my conspiracy theory, and I’m stickin to it. lol.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Hue is under contract, so we have an OC. Should we promote him to HC, or keep him as OC one more season and risk losing him next season?
If we are going to risk losing Hue, I want a great HC.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Marshall fired!
Garbage coach #2 shown the door!
Yes!
January 15th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Cable gone.
Marshall gone.
Next up….Lal, Fassel and Roll.
Clean house Al!
January 15th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
I’m all for a good conspiracy theory and all, but stealing signs?
Aren’t you supposed to try and steal the signs? Break the codes?
Isn’t that why ALL coordinators cover their mouths with the playcard?
January 15th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Has anyone seen anything official that Marshall is gone?
January 15th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Is McDaniels still unemployed?
I like to hire him as OC, make Hue HC, and add a good DC like M Zimmer (if he is/ becomes available).
January 15th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Vittorio Tafur of the San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that the Oakland Raiders will not be bringing back John Marshall as defensive coordinator in 2011
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This is all I can find.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Raiders for life Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Vittorio Tafur of the San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that the Oakland Raiders will not be bringing back John Marshall as defensive coordinator in 2011
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This is all I can find.
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What, do you want a tweet fom Al Davis or something?
I hope Hue brings in a young coordinator from Baltimore….but Al probably gets to make the call on the DC.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Two great QB’s and two wannabes that was the difference today. Matti Ice is a wannabe and Flakes is worse Rodgers is truely great and Big Ben is outstanding. The GB is for real they look like they can win it all. That defense is very quick and athletic. Yet stout up the gut. My pick to win it all Green Bay Packers.
I’d like to see the Pat’s beat the Steelers in the Championship game and lose to the Pack. Rodgers is as accurate as any QB in the game. He could do deal in his biggest game of his career. CWood would love to get another shot at Brady and this time it’ll count.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
What, do you want a tweet fom Al Davis or something?
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That would be nice…
But seriously, does Vittorio know more than Herrera?
Just wondering because I kind of like Marshall.
January 15th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
I don’t like these options:
Steelers win their 7th friggin SB, leaving the Raiders in their dust forever, or at least our lifetimes.
Patriots win their 4th SB, one more than the Raiders.
Packers win their 4th SB, one more than the Raiders.
Go Jets, Seahawks and Bears!
January 15th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Baltimore has to be kicking themselves. They had the Steelers on the ropes and then just pizzed down their leg to start the second half. Three horrible turnovers.
Rice being careless with ball. Flacco with horrible, overthrown Int and botched snap. Let Pittsburgh right back in the game.
Then with game on the line the veteran Raven WR’s do their best DHB/Murphy impersonations. Boldin dropped the TD and TJ letting the 4th and forever go right through his hands. Unbelievable.
As much as I hate the Pats, I don’t want Pittsburgh to get another VLB, either.
Go, Pack Go!
January 15th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
What do you like about Marshall? His Safety Blitz, or our 29th ranked defense against the run?!
Marshall & Cable had to go.
Fire Sanjay Lal!!!!!
January 15th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
O,
I’m sure Lal and several others are probably on thin ice. I don’t really like to root for another human being to lose their job. But pro sports is cutthroat and a bottom line business.
Jacoby Ford showed a flair for the big play as a rookie. But the Raiders have some high profile WR’s who are struggling under Lal’s tutelage, for sure.
Murphy seemed to regress a little after a promising start. It would be nearly impossible for DHB to suffer a sophmore slump. There is no less than zero.
I’m sure Sanjay Lal is probably a very bright guy, who works very hard, but maybe a veteran WR coach with a different perspective might help get these guys jumpstarted.
With the rash of nagging hamstring injuries that seemed to constantly plague this team last year, I don’t know if strength and conditioning coach Brad Rolle should feel too secure, either.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
552.KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Steelers were down 21-3. They earned it. High Character Organization. Hat’s off.
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I wonder how many Raider fans became fans because they saw Tatum ripping Swanns head off and said “Now THERE is a high character organization”. Most of us adopted the Raiders cuz they were the bad boys, the neer do wells, the Hells Angels of the NFL, AND they WON despite everyone hating them.
I may be speaking for myself, but I know I’m not the only one.
Also, the high character thing for Pitt. is bs. One of their top defensive players admits he tries “to hurt people” intentionally. Now that’s high character for ya.
What about Ben Rapist-Burger? There’s a role model for the kids.
Why does everybody buy into the myths and false perceptions?
If they say it on ESPN it’s got to be true.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Huff and Branch both had 4 sacks. I agree that Marshall should have used LB’s and disguised the blitz better, but overall, if the rumors are true and Al runs the D, I think Marshall did a decent job.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Interesting that those who refer to Pitt. and NE for instance as “high character” choose to ignore the sins of those orgs. New England had the cheating scandal, Pitt. has Rapistburger and Harrison. Who does Donte Stallworth play for? We have Cable who punched a coach in the jaw and who hit his wife once, although he’s not even our coach anymore and WE are the criminals or LOW character?
Name ONE Raider who is LOW character.
Myths, lies, fact twisting.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
If Rapistberger played for the Raiders I guarantee you the “incidents” with the women would be ALL WE WOULD HEAR ABOUT. And James Harrison? The media would use that as a constant reminder of what a seedy, sinful organization we were. But when it comes to Pitt. and NE all they can do is take a deep sigh and contented smile and say “What great organizations those are. They are the ones who do it the right way”.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Why do the media always claim Al fired coaches everyone knows Marshalls contract is done tuesday
January 15th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
G’night people.
January 15th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
792.oo Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Why do the media always claim Al fired coaches everyone knows Marshalls contract is done tuesday
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If you had a job, and you still wanted that job, and that job still existed, but you were no longer allowed to perform that job, wouldn’t you feel like you had been fired?
Come on people!
January 15th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Free agent CB Nnamdi Asomugha said Friday that there’s a “good chance” he’ll return to the Raiders in 2011.
We’ll see. Asomugha can’t test the market until there’s a new CBA, and he’d probably be better off trying to catch on with a Super Bowl contender entering his age-30 season
Source: Vittorio Tafur on Twitter
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So those who wanna continue to speculate should just shut up and wait till Al meets with him and signs him
January 15th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
The “Other Forces” are going to get 95% of our free’s signed. NAM21 will be one of them….
expect a few new suprises…
Also expect another solid draft from the “Other Forces”
January 15th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
795.DaTruth91 Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Free agent CB Nnamdi Asomugha said Friday that there’s a “good chance” he’ll return to the Raiders in 2011.
We’ll see. Asomugha can’t test the market until there’s a new CBA, and he’d probably be better off trying to catch on with a Super Bowl contender entering his age-30 season
Source: Vittorio Tafur on Twitter
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So those who wanna continue to speculate should just shut up and wait till Al meets with him and signs him
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Don’t forget that Adam Schefter said that “the only thing he knows for sure is that Nnamdi Asomugha WILL NOT be playing for the Oakland Raiders in 2011″.
Still waiting for McNabb to show up Shefty.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Anyone seen Alex Parsons play at all? From USC and from what I’ve read he can play any position on the O-line including center.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
would love to see sidney rice in silver and black. raiders have 60 mil coming off the books, Al will have money to spend and his moves this offseason shows hes thinking super bowl not AFC west title. unlike the last 7 years, we actually have a team where throwing money at a few good players could make a huge difference and put us over the edge
January 15th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Schefter knows nothing about the Raiders IMHO. sure he guessed right about cable, but when you look at the facts the writing was on the wall. i think its about 50/50 t nnamdi comes back
January 15th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
The “Other Forces” will be very prudent with the 60 mil
January 15th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
800.100PercentRaider Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Schefter knows nothing about the Raiders IMHO. sure he guessed right about cable, but when you look at the facts the writing was on the wall. i think its about 50/50 t nnamdi comes back
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..but don’t forget he said THE SAME THING about Cable the year before and WAS WRONG.
I agree with the 50/50 chance.
January 15th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
warren sapp has 61,000 tweets..that man needs some help
January 16th, 2011 at 12:16 am
784.Dakota Says:
January 15th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
I don’t like these options:
Steelers win their 7th friggin SB, leaving the Raiders in their dust forever, or at least our lifetimes.
Patriots win their 4th SB, one more than the Raiders.
Packers win their 4th SB, one more than the Raiders.
Go Jets, Seahawks and Bears!
*****
F that the RAIDERS can win multi SB’s this decade!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 1:37 am
They’ll leave a lot of other org. in the dust as well. You might want to know bothboth packers and Steelers are roughly 30-40 years older than the Raidrrs. Pat’s younger but the Raiders won AFL championships as well. It’s only been the last 20 years that the Raiders have fallen off. Somebody has to win the SB every year and it’s not the same team. I wish the Raiders were more successful as well. But that is sports, it’s the way it is. Winners and losers every game.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:10 am
Our defense was 20th this year at 23.2 PPG allowed
Top 8 teams in Defensive PPG all made playoffs
See ya John Marshall. Let’s get someone in here who can get results.
All this talk about sacks, pass D, etc….
The only stat that matters at the end of the day is points.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:18 am
Tefur on the SFGate is not only saying that Marshall is out, he’s also saying that Rob Ryan has spoken to Al about the DC job.
Ryan was supposed to sign with Dallas but still hasn’t done that.
That’ll teach Marshall not to blitz.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:37 am
WAKE UP JERRY!!!!!!!
The San Francisco Chronicle reports that Raiders owner Al Davis will not be renewing Marshall’s contract, which expires Tuesday.
Hue Jackson, who was the offensive coordinator in Oakland last year, is considered the strong favorite to get the head coaching job, although that hiring isn’t official until Davis says it’s official, and there’s no word on when that might happen.
But Jackson is confident enough that he’ll get the job that he’s already lining up a coaching staff. That staff will not include Marshall.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:43 am
GG WAKE UP
I hope you dont mind but I updated the list.
The Pats/ Packers was the popular pic at the beginning of the year and it still looks good.
—-SB LIST—-
——12 Teams Alive——
Thec07 – Pats vs Eagles
GG – Chiefs vs Packers
SilverNBlackPA – Pats vs Falcons
Dirt-Lot Football – Pats vs Falcons
Hwnrdr – Steelers vs Falcons
860Todd Christensen – Pats vs Eagles
Plunketthead – Colts vs Packers
Carl Weathers – Ravens vs Bears
Midwest Fan – Steelers vs Packers
Just Fire Baby – Pats vs Saints
Raiderzmaverick – Pats vs Bears
CanuckRaider – Steelers vs Saints
—–8 Teams Alive—–
JonTrain – Ravens vs Packers
Bcz24 – Pats vs Packers
RaiderRockstar – Pats vs Falcons
RedneckRaider – Ravens vs Falcons
Dakota – Pats vs Packers
January 16th, 2011 at 5:47 am
Only two left alive of the first 12.
Midwest Fan – Steelers vs Packers
Raiderzmaverick – Pats vs Bears
I thought I updated the list but left one off
January 16th, 2011 at 5:52 am
I want to see the seachickens win (I like big underdogs)
I also hope the cheaters lose bigtime even if that means foot fetish fans will be rejoicing.
I would rather see the jets instead of the pats or steels in the SB .
January 16th, 2011 at 5:53 am
Raiders Defense PPG:
2010: 23.2 (20th)
2009: 23.7 (23rd)
2008: 24.2 (24th)
2007: 24.9 (26th)
We need someone to improve the bottom line the same way Hue just did with the offense
January 16th, 2011 at 6:12 am
The blackbirds aqquired two big name WR’s in order to help Flacoo and get to the SB.
TJ and Boldin both dropped crucial passes that they are suppose to make.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:16 am
The Ravens big name LT was not much more effective then Veldheer was against Harrison and the Steelers.
The game was not as close as the score indicated.
Steelers were hitting their SB stride when they demolished us
January 16th, 2011 at 6:19 am
Jon
Nick Fairley would improve it.
Maybe Al will get lucky with his next DC pick.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:21 am
Good nickname from the New York Post
The PatRats with a pic of a rat in Bradys #12 uni
January 16th, 2011 at 6:22 am
I always thought Housh was way overrated.
Supposedly he was a bigger locker room diva than Ocho Cinco.
Looked like that moment was way to big for him last night. He didn’t come back to the ball, let it go right through his fingers, than went and pouted on the sidelines.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:27 am
Big Ben did the same thing to us
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 15, 2011, 11:00 PM EST
Ben Roethlisberger was asked after Saturday’s win to explain how he’s been able to beat the Ravens seven straight times.
“Luck,” Roethlisberger said with a smile.
Being able to deliver vertical plays in the fourth quarter would be high on our list. The key play of the game was Roethlisberger’s 58-yard bomb to rookie Antonio Brown on third-and-19. Big Ben says the play call was his idea.
“I told [offensive coordinator] Bruce Arians, ‘Let’s send him.’ All the receivers were supposed to do 15-yard stop routes. I said, ‘Let’s just chuck it deep. If they pick it, it’s a pick way down there, and it’s just as good as a punt.”
January 16th, 2011 at 6:30 am
Boldins missed catch was a tough one. He was on the ground but TJ reminded me of Bey
He jumped up in the air and the ball went right through his hands, hit him in the chest and bounced off.
I am suprised SugarRay didnt shank him last night
January 16th, 2011 at 7:36 am
VY, Vick, McNabb all available.
I would go after Vick or VY. McNabb is good but he’s getting old.
Where the heck is Jerry? There’s so breaking news going on here and you’re awal? Marshall not being renewed. Its also being reported that Jackson will be elevated soon.
Put the kabosh on Rob Ryan b/c he just signed with the Boys.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:38 am
Kolb for a 1st round pick? The Eiggles are insane!!! No way in hel that guy is worth a 1st round pick.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:39 am
NFL.com is also reporting that Marshall’s gotten the axe:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81db4722/article/report-raiders-cutting-ties-with-defensive-coordinator-marshall-?module=HP_headlines
January 16th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Everyone can relax and breath easy now.
Fat Rob will not be coaching in Oakland.
He will be mediocore in Dallas instead
January 16th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Everyone likes Ryan (as do I) just as they liked Cabes but when it comes down to it; he hasn’t produced in this league despite all the years he as been given. His defenses have always been in the bottom half of the league (or worse).
He may be a good DC or may even turn out to be a good HC but this is an ultra competitive league and we have to see production.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Wonder if Hue is going to have major input into who the next DC was going to be.
I highly doubt it was his idea to potentially look at Rob as DC and “assistant” head coach, even those rumors had any truth to them.
Al might just promote from within. Waufle or Biekart could be potential candidates.
Any guy we hire as a DC, either has been fired as a DC, has never been a DC, or was once a DC and is no longer.
Makes the idea of elevating Biekart sound a little more exciting doesn’t it?
January 16th, 2011 at 7:54 am
I hate Rob Ryan.
Complete and utter buffoon.
When I read the Rob rumors, I prayed every night that they were just a media fabrication.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Had a thought last night. When you step back and look at all the coaches Davis has fired …you know, take a big picture point of view …these same coaches are no longer HCs anywhere in the league if they are even still in the league. Save Norv Turner, who is still gets a chance at mediocrity and take teams down with him.
Coaches are hired and fired every year all across the league. So teams everywhere make the same mistakes the Raiders make over and over taking a chance on a coach hoping they can get it done in this league. But they stick with those mistakes longer. Only a few teams have a really good/great HC and they are mopping the league almost every year.
The Raiders are criticized heavily for firing their HCs; but we cannot deny it was the right move. Davis just doesn’t waste any time cutting bait unlike other teams in the league. In business, if you’re not seeing the light, you have to cut your losses and move on.
At some point, we’ll have that stable HC. Maybe its Hue Jack from here on out. Listen to this guy talk. Listen to his interviews. This guy is motivating and you can feel the energy. I just hope the search ends here.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:07 am
Think about it. Herm Edwards was given way too many oppty’s. He stunk. Teams stuck with him for too long. Jets went through a coaching carousel before they landed Rex. Since Shanarat, Broncos are now going through a carousel. Browns are still going through a carousel. KC is sticking with Haley to their detriment. He sucks; but that will come to light once Weis is gone. Tom Cable got his 2 years and that was enough; he was only marginally better than Haley because he was likable.
ecetera ecetera
January 16th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Kiffin was good here and could have made good things happen but he screwed us over and was too stubborn for the owner. The search was suppose to stop there.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Kiffin was plan B after Al was snubbed by Sarkisian neither was the answer.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:27 am
Al Sanders = next Raider OC
January 16th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Yes there is always coaching carousel’s already the league, but nobody has had more HC’s in the last 20 years than the Oakland Raiders.
So I blame the guy who is hiring all these guys that need to get fired so quickly.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Jerry your being scooped
January 16th, 2011 at 8:29 am
That was according to shefter on Espn.
He also said something about Cable and Al not getting along being the reason TC was not kept on.
Did anyone hear what it was in specific that pissed Al off?
January 16th, 2011 at 8:30 am
I would kill for Herm Edwards as a HC.
Made the playoffs 4 of his 8 years coaching, and when he doesn’t make the playoffs, his teams go 2-14 or 4-12 and get great draft picks.
Think about it, we could hire Herm, make the playoffs probably 2 of the next 3 years, than bottom out in year 4, can him, hire the next coach and have him setup with a top 10 draft pick.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Makes sense Al Saunders is coming aboard since Hue worked with him in Baltimore.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:31 am
To sum it up Shefter said
Hue will be the HC
Al Sanders will be the OC
and Cable is gone because he did not get along with Al.
most of us thought that was Toms biggest asset was his ability to exist with Al
January 16th, 2011 at 8:32 am
I’m sure it had to do with Cables love for Grads.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Saunders thanks Lynn
January 16th, 2011 at 8:33 am
Certainly Davis shoulders the blame
January 16th, 2011 at 8:34 am
That may be but Hue was a bigger fan then Tom
January 16th, 2011 at 8:36 am
Al Saunders worked for a couple of years in Washington with Campbell.
He was one of the guys that was an assistant HC to Joe Gibbs for two years and ran the offense, but somehow Campbell got a new OC every year.
BTW, weren’t people making fun of John Marshall due to his age? I think Saunders is one year his junior.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Al Davis-Tom Cable not done yet. Davis fined Cable $120,000, Cable filed grievance against boss this season. http://is.gd/YjfBOZ
January 16th, 2011 at 8:37 am
JFB nothing Just for men wouldn’t cure.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
January 16th, 2011 at 8:38 am
I wonder why Jerry has not reported about Marshall’s departure?
January 16th, 2011 at 8:38 am
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/01/al-saunders-012708.jpg
January 16th, 2011 at 8:39 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:36 am
Al Saunders worked for a couple of years in Washington with Campbell.
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Interesting tid bit.
And he worked with Hue in Baltimore?
Was Saunders employed this past year?
January 16th, 2011 at 8:42 am
So Cable is getting fined by the owner, is a dead-man walking, and still has the ability to override Hue and Al Davis to start Bruce against Miami???
Of course not. That was a Hue Jackson decision, and probably why Al didn’t hire him immediately after releaving Cable, and flirted with others.
And I also doubt Hue Jackson had much say in hiring Saunders. Al Saunders has long been a fav of Mr. Davis. Davis just set up Hue with someone Al likes, and Hue has experience with.
Just like Cable and Hue. I’m sure that was an Al move, but Davis knew they weren’t complete strangers.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:42 am
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/~/media/AF91BF5C65274FC9B38250F3A3D5BB44.ashx
January 16th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Saunders was the senior offensive assistant in B’More
January 16th, 2011 at 8:46 am
sorry heres a better linkhttp://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Coaches/Al_Saunders.aspx
January 16th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Per NFL.com:
Al Saunders
Senior offensive assistant; born February 1, 1947, London, England. Defensive back San Jose State 1966-68. No pro playing experience. College coach: Southern California (1970-71), Missouri 1972, Utah State (1973-75), California 1976- 1981, Tennessee (1982). Pro coach: San Diego Chargers (1983-88; head coach 1986-88), Kansas City Chiefs (1989-1998), St. Louis Rams (1999-2000), Kansas City Chiefs (2001-05), Washington Redskins (2006-07), St. Louis Rams (2008), joined Ravens in 2009.
………………………He’s been around
January 16th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Lynn ..I don’t like men and this is not a beauty contest …i don’t give a puke about how the guy looks
January 16th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Look up what Al Saunders did in KC 01 to 05 pretty impressive.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Jhill
Nice link, Best I can tell Cable was let go because
“Davis was said to be upset with Cable over the fact that Oakland lost two days of Organized Team Activities (OTAs) in June 2010, among other things”
That is weak for firing a man, maybe Al is losing it.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:49 am
On January 19, 2006, he joined the coaching staff of the Washington Redskins as the Associate Head Coach – Offense, reuniting him with fellow Don “Air” Coryell alumnus, Joe Gibbs. At the time, his 3-year, $6 million contract made him the second highest paid assistant coach in the NFL behind Gregg Williams. Players such as recent additions Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd have claimed that the signing of Saunders to the Washington coaching staff was a major pull factor in their decision to sign with the Redskins. In this role, he served the team like he did in Kansas City, as the primary play caller and offensive coordinator.
Saunders offensive playbook reportedly has approximately 700 pages of various plays. When the Redskins struggled offensively in the 2006 pre-season and during the first two regular season games, the lengthy playbook became the subject of criticism -both humorous and serious- by Washington sports media. However, desiring not to provide scouting information to opponents, the Redskins only used a small number of plays (estimated by Saunders at around 2% of his playbook) during the pre-season. Beginning with the third game of the regular season, Washington’s offensive production increased but later fell.
Many believe that the pairing of Al Saunders offense and the veteran quarterback Mark Brunell was a bad fit. The Al Saunders offense, an Air Coryell offense, requires a quarterback with a very accurate sense of timing and trust with the receiver which could not be replicated in Washington during Brunell’s 2006 season.
In 2007, Jason Campbell dislocated his left knee in a week 14 game versus the Chicago Bears. Veteran back-up Todd Collins, who took over the reigns and was very effective as he led the Redskins to four straight victories and into the playoffs. Collins’ success can be attributed to the fact that he had been studying under Saunders’ offensive scheme since 2001.
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An air Coryell guy with a 700 page playbook??
I hope about 550 of those pages are running plays.
Seems like a move away from running the ball, and an attempt at Al to get the Jerome Plunkett-DHB connection up and running.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:49 am
I have no problem with Baltimore staff coming over.
Al Saunders as OC = good move!
January 16th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Saunders is famous for having a huge playbook
January 16th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Pretty good bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Saunders
January 16th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Snapping Turtle , WTF I didn’t think you would make him your wall paper
January 16th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Didn’t we lose those two OTA days because players complained to the union about contact to the ground??
Another case of Al siding with the cry-baby players instead of a coach who just wants to toughen them up.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:51 am
I knew the name, its well known on the east coast, and knew he was in Washington for a bit; but didn’t know he had as many ties with the AFC West, Coryell’s offense, the Rams SB run and the like.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Lynn from Snot Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Snapping Turtle , WTF I didn’t think you would make him your wall paper
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Lol
January 16th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Can we stop the Campbell gets a new OC every year now??
This will be his 3rd year under OC Saunders in 7 years.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Is Mike Zimmer available! I like him to be our DC.
I like Al Saunders offense.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Is Wauffle the next DC??????
January 16th, 2011 at 8:55 am
JFB,
How much longer are you going to wave the Cable flag?
Should he really still be here if he was beefing with the owner?
So what if Al “suggested” a guy who was above Hue in Baltimore as his OC? And a guy who has already worked with Soup?
Seems like a good pairing to me.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:56 am
Excuse me 3 out of 6 years.
06-Rookie Campbell sits and learns Saunders offense
07-Plays 12 games under Saunders play-calling
08-10 3 years with two OC’s on two teams
11-Back to the Al Saunders offense.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Can we stop the Campbell gets a new OC every year now??
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LOL!
There might be one or two posters who have said that. You post more about that than they do.
GREAT to have an OC that Campbell has played under before.
But according to Wiki, it seems that Campbell only played under Saunders one year, or shall we say 14 games.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:01 am
new post
January 16th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Buckeye,
Rolle and Lal have to go!
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