ESPN: Davis `fined’ Cable $120,000
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, January 16th, 2011 at 8:55 am in Oakland Raiders.
This week’s ESPN bombshell: Raiders owner Al Davis deducted $120,000 from the paychecks of coach Tom Cable during the course of the season as fines for the club losing organized team activity sessions as mandated by the NFL.
As reported by Adam Schefter, Cable has filed a grievance with the NFL to recover the money.
Amid that backdrop of the owner fighting with each of the last two head coaches over money, the Raiders are expected to name Hue Jackson as head coach early this week. Schefter reported longtime NFL assistant Al Saunders, who has been interviewed by Davis as a head coaching candidate at least twice, as a potential offensive coordinator.
The Raiders confirmed a single interview as part of the “process” of naming a new coach, giving no names and not specifying whether it was for the head coaching position or not.
A week ago, ESPN reported cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha had failed to hit likely incentives and his contract had voided.
In other news, ESPN also reported former Raiders and Cleveland Browns defensive coordinator Rob Ryan will serve in that capacity for the Dallas Cowboys, meaning he won’t be coming back to Oakland. The contract of two-year defensive coordinator John Marshall has expired and the Raiders are expired and he is not expected to return.
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January 16th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Fining the coach for being too hard on his “crying to the union” players.
Disgraceful.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:00 am
JFB,
How much longer are you going to wave the Cable flag?
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I’ll stop as soon as we do better than 8-8
January 16th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Jerry – You are alive! And late…
JFB – He was fired b/c he stunk. Period.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I wish fans could invest in NFL franchises.
We would have made a killing selling short.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:01 am
But according to Wiki, it seems that Campbell only played under Saunders one year, or shall we say 14 games.
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He sat and learned in 06 for a full year before playing in 07.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Odd some of the folks you get behind …
Cable, Carlisle, Gardowski
and I mean REALLY get behind.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Vegas,
I blame the players’ union! lol
January 16th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Looking forward to the first interview with Cable to hear his real opinions on the owner. Taking the “burn no bridges route” (Rob Ryan, Norv Turner) is easy if money isn’t involved. Dealing with $100k+ in “fines?” is another matter entirely.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Next question: Who’s gonna be the DC? Any chance at someone like Mangini?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Al Davis fighting over 120K, when if he would just back his coach and maybe get a home playoff game, he would probably stand to earn at least 10 times that amount if not way more.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:12 am
-Promote Hue to HC.
-Hire Al Saunders or McDaniels as OC. That should improve our passing.
-Bring in a good 4-3 DC like M Zimmer.
-Resign Key FAs.
-Add a few good players in FA: WR, OL, and QB.
-Draft CB, OL, WLB, DT, and QB.
This team can win the AFC west, and compete in the POs.
Make it happen Al.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:13 am
I want a 4-3 DC.
Mangini, RR, Wade, etc…are 3-4 guys.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Do we yet know why Cable was fined? Remember this is the guy who punched another employee in the mouth and had domestic disputes with women. In the end AD was deemed justified in what he did with Kiffen. Not that I am a big AD fan or anything – I like most others think he should delegate and release control more but honestly most teams whould have fired Cable after the punch and the info about abuse came out.
Secondly, after watching almost every game this year – Cable made horrible game time decisions on accepting penalties, challenging calls etc… I know the players like him and they played hard but I do not think he was truely head coaching material.
AW
January 16th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Every Super Bowl win , the Raiders ran a 3-4
January 16th, 2011 at 9:17 am
We should daft a CB in the 2nd or 3rd, if we don’t add a good FA CB.
I think we should cut CJ, let Routt go, and use that money to invest in a solid CB like J Joseph if he was available.
I rather pay JJ $6-7 mil per year in Salary than pay that much for Routt and CJ.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:18 am
More drama from the Al Davis soap opera.
It just goes on and on.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:22 am
LFS,
We also had M Allen, Long, etc….
We had better talent! It wasn’t the 3-4 defense.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:22 am
never a dull moment
January 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
He should have fined Cable simply for being a moron.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Unlike years past this team actually has talent. And young talent that will improve so, the sky isn’t falling. I think Al is just reshuffling the deck in his favor going into this next CBA.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Cable = Fat Monkey
Marshall = One Trick Monkey
Lal & Rolle = Bad Monkeys
They destroyed this season. We should have finished atleast 10-6, won the AFC, and hosted a PO game.
Bad Monkeys should pay!!!
Get’em Al!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:27 am
The 2 SB loses 4-3
January 16th, 2011 at 9:27 am
This is Al Davis being Al Davis. He’s the worst boss any HC could have in NFL if not in all sports.
Old man thinks and argues that he can do it better than the HC he hires mainly as an escape for the fact that he’s old and useless now. This form of ego trip is typical of tyrannical rich old people who were once sultans of their own industry. Remember Howard Hughes? what’s the cure? None. At least Howard Hughes’ madness didn’t affect millions of fans like this old lunatic’s does.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:28 am
I’m glad Marshall isn’t coming back. That ridiculous all safety defense against the Jags should be enough to get him fired.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:28 am
JFB,
Are you saying that you don’t think Saunders is a good hire for the OC position?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Won the AFC WEST*.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Are there anymore Harbaugh brothers out there?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:30 am
LFS,
Interesting fact, but IMHO had nothing to do with winning/ losing SBs.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:31 am
I think the offense is in good hands with Hue and Saunders.
Very interested to see who the DC is going to be.
Wouldn’t mind another pluck or 2 from the Baltimore tree.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Are you saying that you don’t think Saunders is a good hire for the OC position?
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Certainly has much loftier credentials than Hue Jackson, Greg Knapp and Tom Walsh.
Does he run the same offense as what we ran last year though?
And does he go with the greatest show on Turf offense he orchestrated with 45 passes a game, or the KC ground control screen game offense he ran in KC?
Hopefully, and probably obviously, the later.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:31 am
ROFLMAO @ post 27!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Cable stop crying & go away. Apparently there were several behavioral issues that were the reasons for being fined. Cable didn’t get along with Al, or hu jack, & he should have been fined for sucking so badly as a coach.
On another note it will be awesome if Al Suanders is brought in to be oc. He was the oc in Washington under Gibbs, and works well with JC. Also saunders & hu Jack also worked together. This will not be a new offense, this will be continuity. Suanders is also a power run play action vertical pass attack. I see huge positve things coming for our offense next year.
Give’em hell old man Al you know better than they do!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:32 am
I saw Willie Shaw on TV yesterday I think he ’s in town for the DC job again. (sarcasm )
January 16th, 2011 at 9:34 am
so jruss has a drug problem and gets cut with no problems. cable sucks, beats up a coach and loses another set of ota’s but all hell breaks loose cuz he is cut. some of yall like losing as much as u claim al davis does. all this biotchin behind cable is stupid. the man was a moron who was lucky to have a HC gig. btw, where are all of his offers to HC somewhere if he is so great?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Armond, right on brother!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:35 am
If I’m not mistaken this was the SECOND time Oakland had lost practices.
However if the Raiders don’t make it deep into the play offs next year I’ll be the first one lined up to drive a stake thru Al Davis’ supppsed heart
January 16th, 2011 at 9:36 am
This would be an upgrade in the coaching staff. Things are coming together. There are still questions at QB that Campbell hasn’t answered and other positions but this thing is coming together.
Jackson and Saunders = upgrades
January 16th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Dean Pees for defensive coordinator?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:38 am
He was the oc in Washington under Gibbs, and works well with JC.
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Based on what??
06-Campbell sat, Skins make playoffs
07-Campell goes 5-7, Todd Collins goes 4-0 and squeeks into the playoffs.
Under Al Saunders in Washington, Mark Brunell went 10-6, Todd Collins 4-0, Jason Campbell 5-7
FACT
January 16th, 2011 at 9:39 am
So much for that hype about cable working well with Davis. Cable needed to go & gets too much credit for making the team competitve. What did he bring to the table besides a dinner plate & brass knuckles.
Our team is on the rise because of a few men; Davis, Hu Jack, JC, & Dmac. Dline and romac get honorable mentions!
Imposter fans this is a check mate!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:41 am
I like Zimmer, Singletary, or D Perry for DC.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:42 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:18 am
More drama from the Al Davis soap opera.
It just goes on and on.
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And it ain’t gonna stop till (you know who) (you know what)!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Nnamdi
From the same article that jhill posted
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6027281
The Raiders also lost a week of their offseason program in 2007 because of the intensity of practices under then-coach Lane Kiffin, whom Davis also battled.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Everytime I hear the numskulls say Cable led the team to 8-8 I just shake my head. That’s the same reason Weis is leaving KC for a parrellel move to the college ranks because Haley is getting all the cred for turning around KC and Cassell; when it is really Spoli, Weis and Romeo Crannel’s work
January 16th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Al Davis fines coaches who practice too hard.
Multiple other teams lost days due to this, and none of their owners fined them.
Penny-pinching, morale lowering nonsense.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Al should have fined himself for being dumb enough in the first place to hire a POS guy like Tom Cable as HC!
WTF is wrong with Al? Schyt like this drives everyone away from even considering this organization.
Talk about cutting one’s nose off to spite one’s face. Pissing matches with every head coach over piddly amounts of money? GOT TO BE FKN KIDDING ME!
I can’t wait for Al to be gone.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:44 am
BRB
I am gonna go burn my Cable jersey and put an end to this once and for all.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:46 am
JFB,
based on the fact that the saunders offense is Taylor made for JC. Just because they didn’t translate into wins, doesn’t mean they weren’t good together. That was a very bad team, very early in jc’s career.
Suanders & hu Jack are from the same coaching tree, Along with Gibbs. This is a perfect fit, get over it cable fan.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:47 am
The reason we won in the early years was because we had superior talent period. The reason we don’t win more now is because talent is mostly equal and it’s schemes and coaching that wins. We have none of that and as long as Al lives, we won’t. His schemes, his coaches.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:48 am
al saunders ran some really good offenses in kc. they ran the ball and passed well. hopefully dmac will be featured in the ofense as much as priest holmes was and we can get a qb that will play like trent green did. i believe we will run more of the kc offense. that means we should see dmc used even more as a wr. the dc hiring will be interesting. i hope hu and al saunders use their bmore connects from coaches to players to come here. ill still take tj housh as our possession guy if we cant get a jjones or vjax. he dropped that pass but that whole ravens squad fugged that game away. flacco has always been overrated to me.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:50 am
based on the fact that the saunders offense is Taylor made for JC. Just because they didn’t translate into wins, doesn’t mean they weren’t good together.
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LMAO!!!
They were a playoff team in 05 and 07.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Tom Cable sealed his fate in the Miami game by naming and starting Gradowski losing games vs. Az, Miami, SF, and Jacksonville. He is too disorganized and too conservative on offense.
Bruce Campbell never saw the field. He was healthy all year, but placed on in-active status. Cable should have been his mentor since mini-camp.
Robert Gallery never developed into a Pro Bowl player. He and Lane Kiffen can not coach up players or manage a game plan. Hugh Jackson can turn great Athletes into football players (DMC and Jacoby Ford).
Hugh Jackson is ready to lead us to the play-offs.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Why blame every single DC and safety? It’s Al’s scheme that is wrong! Don’t you guys get tired of the charade?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Remember all the hype when Snyder hired Gibbs and Al.
He decided to throw all the money at the coaches instead of the players so he put together the best, most expensive ever coaching staff (I forget who the DC was).
Some articles went on to call it “the wave of the future”
The only way it would have worked = aqquire a top 5 QB
January 16th, 2011 at 9:51 am
“But what few players in the locker room realized was that, as Oakland was registering its best season since its AFC championship in 2002, the Raiders owner and head coach were barely communicating — other than through legal channels.”
Crazy. Al threw away the 2008 season to gather evidence against Lane Kiffin to save a million or two, and then he sequestered the HC in 2010 over $120K.
Al has fkn lost it. When personal vendettas against guys you just hired overcome your desire to win football games it is time to step aside. Al is a fkn loon.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:52 am
The Rex Ryan jokes are getting better and better
Revis & butthead
January 16th, 2011 at 9:52 am
JfB,
Losing practice time is the only specific reason for the fine being reported. I highly doubt it was the only reason. The fighting with hu Jack has also been linked to the fines. I’m sorry but the owner has a right to fine his coaches & players.
Please spare us the judgments when you don’t have the facts.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:55 am
people who backed jruss took alot of heat even after he was cut. its time for the cable/grads groupies to get the same kind of treatment. the man was horrible.debo is the only jruss fan that wants him back but the rest of us got over it right away. why the hell cant u cable backers just let it be? we dont know whos stayin or goin on top of what new players we will bring in. yall already biotchin about things u have no clue of.it figures cuz most of yall wanted to cut dmac after 2 years tho that big dummy yall like had him playin behind fargas.hahahaha!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:57 am
What facts do you have Mistic1?
There is no facts, only your stories, my theories and Adam Schefter reports.
Fining a coach for fighting with his OC? Did the Oilers fine Buddy Ryan for punching Kevin Gilbride (answer:no)?
This is just penny-pinching nonsense that NO OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL DOES, THAT’S WHY HE IS STUCK HIRING THE TOM CABLE’S OF THE WORLD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Don’t you get it??
January 16th, 2011 at 10:02 am
its time for the cable/grads groupies to get the same kind of treatment.
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I wholeheartedly support NOT bringing back Bruce Gradkowski, as I said the minute he went on IR this year.
Just don’t think he won’t be back, and I do believe it will be Hue who wants Al to re-sign him.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:03 am
it’s official Raiders are not bringing back Marshall as DC.
time to go watch the Seahawks upset the Da’ Bears.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Looks mighty cold in the windy city
Good day to see a big upset
January 16th, 2011 at 10:05 am
JFB,
hu Jack is no cable. Hu Jack is a fantastic coach. Davis is right, & your conspiracy theory is more than weak.
Also 05 was jc’s rookie year. In o7 the redskins were an average team that squeeked in. I don’t know if you watched that team much ( doesn’t seem like you did), but they were no threat to do anything.
Losing Gibbs & suanders was a major set back for Washington & JC.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Dam fat goose, He still haunts us.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:06 am
I have a funny feeling that Matt cannot play in the cold and he has the opposite of the game last week
January 16th, 2011 at 10:06 am
ATTN
Job Opening
Head Coach, Oakland Raiders
Qualifications necessary:
The ability to coach a football team with out the support of the owner. The ability to set aside your coaching beliefs and implement only those of your owner. The ability to welcome any coach your owner wishes to place on your staff. The ability to work with your eventual replacement once the owner hires him the year before you are to be terminated. The ability to give the owner public respect without bursting into laughter. The ability to deal with the owner’s minions and saboteurs. The ability to game plan around players your owner pushes on you despite their obvious limitations. The ability to maintain a high level of productivity without the assurance of payment.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:07 am
hey Mistic,
You got your coach and starting QB. So what’s your expectation for next season W/L? simple numbers please and no excuses or outs.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Raider fan since 1973. Fans, UNCLE AL WOULD RATHER LOSE HIS WAY THAN WIN WITH OTHER COACHES WAYS AND SCHEMES. PERIOD. We won with Ron Wolf running the show personnel wise and as defacto GM. He went on to run the Packers in the 90’s. Then came Gruden and Bruce Allen who acted more or less in the same capacity as Wolf. Gee, we won using another coaches schemes so what does Uncle Al do? Of course, get rid of them. Trust me, he is such an egomaniac that in his will/trust it is probably stipulated that whomever takes over the team will be legally bound to the 4-3 and no cover 2. Our only hope is that he is forced to sell for financial reasons sooner than later.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Does this surprise anyone?? Al Davis after all is an inept fool with his head up his ass. Inferior losers like Al Davis go out of their to perpetuate their own stupidity.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:10 am
vegas u arent the problem as much as the others when it comes to that. im sayin that all of this defense for cable is misguided. we had an opportunity to make the playoffs and missed. the way we missed is what got him fired on top of other things. we have only clashed when it comes to the qb situation with jruss. my feeling is that we need to rid ourselves of that whole kiffin russell fiasco from the last 3 years. cable hackett and tolner completes that if we let the last 2 leave. we need a fresh start away from the 07-09 era minus a few players. thats why im not 2 upset if nam huff gallery walk. there are certain younger guys like bush and dmc that are more important to the long term health of this team. im thinking longterm and not in the short.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Man they need to revoke his Hall of Fame status
Beefing with your coach during a playoff run?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:15 am
aig that was a good call on casey matthews. that is exactly the kind of olb we need. the fact that he is versatile enuff to play inside is even better. those mathews boys can really play. sapp may be an idiot but he had it right naming clay the bloodline. wonder what casey name will be. im def on board with that dude. would be surprised if he made a quick impact next year.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Cable was never going to be renewed after this season and the decision was made prior to the 2010 season. There was a reason why Hue Jack at the last minute cancelled the Chicago Bears OC position interview and chose the Raiders. I’m quite certain AD promised him a shot at the HC position. The only reason Al didnt want to fire Cable before the 2010 season is to save money.
Al was going to let TC go regardless of whether we made the playoffs or not. Al has been rolling out Hue all season long for the presser to counter TC. I believe we’re the ony team that rolled out the OC to take credit away from the HC.
More dysfunction but that’s the way the Raiders roll. C’est la vie!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:16 am
# Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:51 am
“But what few players in the locker room realized was that, as Oakland was registering its best season since its AFC championship in 2002, the Raiders owner and head coach were barely communicating — other than through legal channels.”
Crazy. Al threw away the 2008 season to gather evidence against Lane Kiffin to save a million or two, and then he sequestered the HC in 2010 over $120K.
Al has fkn lost it. When personal vendettas against guys you just hired overcome your desire to win football games it is time to step aside. Al is a fkn loon.
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See? We agree again!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:17 am
THAT’S WHY HE IS STUCK HIRING THE TOM CABLE’S OF THE WORLD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Don’t you get it??
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Who are the Tom Cable’s of the world?
Gruden? Norv Turner? Callahan?
Tom Cable rehired for so called continuity and a playoff run. I didn’t work. I don’t see what’s so hard about this.
As for the the next HC, Al has NEVER hired a so called established guy. Hue Jackson and Al Saunders is the best offensive coaching tandem we’ve had in a while. Let’s see what happens.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Hue Jackson + Al Saunders + the next soon to be ex Raider DC = Superbowl, baby!!
Even Al Davis wont be able to stop the Raiders from running away with the AFC west
January 16th, 2011 at 10:18 am
according to reports, four out of the last 5 HCs have had financial disputes with the team….I’ll bet Art Shell is the only exception.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:18 am
yeah Armond on Matthews, dude can flat out play on that inferior Oregon D. That family is like the Mannings. They know football and their kids all have great instincts. I’d love to see him replace Wimbley. McClain, Groves and Matthews would be pretty good.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Marshall’s gone too?!
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2011_off_season
January 16th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Raiderbuck Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:16 am
See? We agree again!
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You are getting smarter every day!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:19 am
aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Al was going to let TC go regardless of whether we made the playoffs or not. Al has been rolling out Hue all season long for the presser to counter TC. I believe we’re the ony team that rolled out the OC to take credit away from the HC.
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Good observation
January 16th, 2011 at 10:20 am
I like Al Saunders. DMAC is a stud and he will make sure he gets more touches per game or more plays ran through him than Hue will ever do. That was one of my biggest complaint on Hue this year. He didnt run plays through DMAC (our best O weapon) enough.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Thanks bo.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Go Bears. Hope that former ND TE is okay!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Per BSPN…..
As former Oakland Raiders coach Tom Cable was attempting to lead his team to the playoffs this season, owner Al Davis began deducting $20,000 from each of his head coach’s paychecks until he had withheld $120,000 in fines, according to team sources.
In turn, Cable filed a grievance against his owner with the NFL, becoming the latest Raiders head coach to be embroiled in a financial dispute with his owner.
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Now NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will appoint an arbitrator to whom the Raiders and Cable will have to submit legal arguments and witnesses. The arbitrator then will make the final ruling.
The NFL is doing its due diligence to ascertain the exact reasons for the fines.
The financial feud illustrates how much the relationship between Davis and Cable deteriorated and helps explain why the Raiders owner declined to pick up the two-year option in Cable’s contract. The ouster of Cable drew criticism from the Raiders’ players, including punter Shane Lechler.
But what few players in the locker room realized was that, as Oakland was registering its best season since its AFC championship in 2002, the Raiders owner and head coach were barely communicating — other than through legal channels.
Davis was said to be upset with Cable over the fact that Oakland lost two days of Organized Team Activities (OTAs) in June 2010, among other things. The Raiders also lost a week of their offseason program in 2007 because of the intensity of practices under then-coach Lane Kiffin, whom Davis also battled.
Kiffin filed a grievance against the Raiders after he was fired when he felt that Davis owed him money, but the arbitrator ruled in Oakland’s favor. Davis has a history of financial disputes with his head coaches dating back to Mike Shanahan. The NFL has had to help settle financial disputes with four of Davis’ last five head coaches, according to a source.
It’s not atypical for teams and coaches to have financial disputes. But usually they come after termination, not before.
Davis is now searching for a head coach, and many believe the favorite for the job is Oakland’s offensive coordinator, Hue Jackson. A potential offensive coordinator if Jackson is hired as coach is Al Saunders, a coach Davis long has liked.
Cable also is looking for a job and his agent, Don Yee, told The Associated Press the night that his client was fired that other teams already had begun expressing interest.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:24 am
I read that Davis deducted $20,000/ pay. So he’s known for quite sometime he was gonna fire him.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:25 am
I’ll take this guy 88 for the minimum at TE and spend Miller’s $ on someone else, lol.
Top 15 my arsse!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:25 am
The Jets learned about the “wall” from a former Patrat
Do the chowderheads cheat at everything?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Carl Weathers Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:24 am
I read that Davis deducted $20,000/ pay. So he’s known for quite sometime he was gonna fire him.
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You know how much KFC Slaw and McDonald’s cheeseburgers $120K can buy?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:29 am
As former Oakland Raiders coach Tom Cable was attempting to lead his team to the playoffs this season, owner Al Davis began deducting $20,000 from each of his head coach’s paychecks until he had withheld $120,000 in fines, according to team sources.
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So this pretty much blows the theory that Cable was fired for not making the playoff. Al started to recoup his money as we are trying to make the playoff. Al couldnt careless about distractions. He knew Cable was gone and was trying to reduce his cost.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I’m surprised none of you math wiz dude have done the 20/120 = 6 games ago theory, lol
January 16th, 2011 at 10:30 am
You guys should pipe down. If Al is winning these disputes then there must be something there and HE is right – not the said coach.
If he was losing them, then thats another story; but he is not. So pipe down cause you don’t know the details and Al has been proven right way more than wrong in these incidents.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:30 am
How does firing a bad head coach after a run of 19-27 eaqual dysfunction?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Al Stupid Davis had no problem donating millions to Shavonn Walker and MeAngelo Hall but he wants to get that $120k back while the Coach is trying to make the playoff….fuggin Moron. I’m so done with this old stupid Geezer. He WAS a rebel and not he’s just a moron. Die Al Die!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Doesn’t anyone get it? It doesn’t matter who is named the DC. Al runs the defense. Period. End of story. Schemes will not change. That’s why Nmamdi didn’t cover the opposition’s best receiver just a side of the field. Why has Woodson flourished in Green Bay? The scheme allows him to make plays. Single free safety coverage? Are you kidding me? I wouldn’t be surprised in Uncle’s best friend, Bobby Knight comes in to run the defense. Al, get with the program. Or how about the “best interest” clause in the NFL bylaws?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:31 am
J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I’m surprised none of you math wiz dude have done the 20/120 = 6 games ago theory, lol
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or 120/20?
I know players are paid on a weekly basis, but are coaches paid that way too?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:32 am
If I’m Hue Jackson, I’m interviewing a couple good contract lawyers right about now.
Being that the last two employees for the job he is taking ended up having to sue the employer (although I do buy the Kiffin “casue” argument) for money, I’m sure he will be looking for “Specific language” in his new contract.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:32 am
LOL!
6 games ago = Miami game.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:33 am
J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I’m surprised none of you math wiz dude have done the 20/120 = 6 games ago theory, lol
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They get paid weekly? Wow! 20,000 missing from your WEEKLY pay… life is rough!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Now we know why Harbough didn’t come here, AD would have said 25 million for 5 years and then wouldn’t have payed him.
This is exactly why we can’t get a good coach here, no one with any brains is going to trust AD with money.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Davis is also trying to get back cash from JaRussell! Doesn’t he still owe Shanahan money from 1988?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Hue Jack better have some good lawyers or at least hire Al Sharpton’s crew. But Hue may not have any leverage since the Raiders HC job is the only one left. Oh wait, Hue didnt have any leverage to begin with since he was the token black guy for the Niners anyways.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Can the NFL step in and force this dusty old b@stard to take some kind of testing to see if he’s sane?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Was 6 games ago before or after Pitt?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:39 am
whatever terrapin. there is something wrong with that situation but just because he has contractual stipulations in place to take money already earned for piddly stuff doesn’t mean he should.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:40 am
45 minutes ago reporters said weather wouldn’t be a factor in Chicago… looks like a friggin blizzard!!
2 things that remain constant, Davis screwing people out of money and no one can predict the weather!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Seriously …
Makes you wonder what the fines were about if they were spread over 6 different paychecks. What could Cable have repeatedly been doing? If it were one infraction, he could have hit him for a lump sum fine. But 6 different instances????
January 16th, 2011 at 10:41 am
I am sure head coaches get paid monthly for the course of the year. I doubt they work from January to September and then get weekly paychecks during the season.
Think in terms of 6 months, not weeks.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:42 am
2 things that remain constant, Davis screwing people out of money and no one can predict the weather!
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sooo truee!!!!!!
A man’s strength is also his weakness. It’s the yin and yang of life. Al’s strength made the Raiders into who they are and it has become his weakness in the past 20 years starting with Marcus Allen.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Probably for not playing B.Campbell or giving injury updates to the press or not playing Veldheer at center…
…feel free to add on
January 16th, 2011 at 10:45 am
You guys don’t believe the report that the fine was due to the Raiders losing those OTA practices?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:46 am
now we know what amy trask does all day long, look for contractual violations in the head coaches job. and the no one ever said that al didn’t have great legal representation, i mean you don’t sue the nfl and win. just because he hasn’t lost on these issues doesn’t mean he is in the moral right. it could have been for cable reporting injury information on players.. the raiders are behaving rather bizarre the last couple of years, there has got to be a mental issue involved here.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Think in terms of 6 months, not weeks.
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I can buy that.
6 months ago = OTA incident. But why the payment plan if that was the only issue? Why not just hit him for the 120 on the next check?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:47 am
It probably was a one time fine that Davis decided to spread out to make it easier on Cable.
Still, if Davis is winning these disputes then he must be right and the coaches wrong. So why get pissed if the evidence says the coach is in the wrong and not Davis?
Much to do about nothing.
The bigger news is HJACK BECOMING HC AND SAUNDERS OC!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Stop worring about the past. Focus on what’s in front of you.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:48 am
J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Think in terms of 6 months, not weeks.
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I can buy that.
6 months ago = OTA incident. But why the payment plan if that was the only issue? Why not just hit him for the 120 on the next check?
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Cuz Al is a very generous man!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:49 am
# Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:45 am
You guys don’t believe the report that the fine was due to the Raiders losing those OTA practices?
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Probably just for legal purposes huh?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Why not hit him on one check? Answer: Cash Flow.
If you took a whole paycheck from the avg person that could be a major financial problem. They can manage it over time though
January 16th, 2011 at 10:50 am
I wonder how many books will be written about the evil empire once Davis takes his dirt nap.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Hue Jack HC, Al Saunders OC. That’s looking good. What will they do for defense?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:51 am
It wasnt six months ago. The sources said it was while we were making a playoff run. It has to be recent. Most likely after the break.
“As former Oakland Raiders coach Tom Cable was attempting to lead his team to the playoffs this season, owner Al Davis began deducting $20,000 from each of his head coach’s paychecks until he had withheld $120,000 in fines, according to team sources. “
January 16th, 2011 at 10:52 am
I am sure that there are contractual obligations that the Raiders have to fulfill with outside contractors despite the fact that the OTAs were cancelled. Al was probably just pissed and made Cable pay for those losses.
We are talking about a guy that is off his rocker when it comes to team priorities you know.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:52 am
I like Rod Marinelli.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:52 am
117.BoJacks Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:49 am
# Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:45 am
You guys don’t believe the report that the fine was due to the Raiders losing those OTA practices?
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Probably just for legal purposes huh?
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Yup. That was the legal reason they found to start deducting his money and satisfy Al’s pettiness.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:54 am
If hue was the token black Guy, what was perry from the ny giants?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:55 am
aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:51 am
It wasnt six months ago. The sources said it was while we were making a playoff run. It has to be recent. Most likely after the break.
“As former Oakland Raiders coach Tom Cable was attempting to lead his team to the playoffs this season, owner Al Davis began deducting $20,000 from each of his head coach’s paychecks until he had withheld $120,000 in fines, according to team sources. “
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AIG, I think you might be reading too much into those words. When does a season begin? In January. When does a coach begin to attempt to lead his team to the playoffs? Most coaches begin that work in January.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Olsen is killin em!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:57 am
So the owner knew he was going to fire Cable the minute he hired Jackson, but waited until the play off run to start getting his $ back?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:58 am
I wonder if Tom Cable is still a Raiders fan?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:59 am
When does a season begin? In January. When does a coach begin to attempt to lead his team to the playoffs? Most coaches begin that work in January.
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LOL!
I think YOU may be, uh, reading too deep between the lines.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Dakota,
This is what I think. Coaches either get paid bi-weekly or weekly. I doubt they get paid monthly. If you remember Cable went public and proclaimed the HC gets to make the roster decision during the JC vs Grad thing coming into the bye week. I am sure Cable was reading from his contract language. That’s prob where Al decided he will use the OTA as the legal excuse to get back at Cable.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Really, what does this fine really matter? We are already moving forward. Cable is old news. HuJack adn the possibility of Saunders (I wonder if we can afford him) and a new DC coming in.
Getting coaches doesn’t look like a problem this year
January 16th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Seahawks are getting spanked
January 16th, 2011 at 11:03 am
The owner didnt want to fire Cable and pay him for the season while he pays Hue as the HC along with paying an OC as well. that’s Al for you. We were the only team in the league that rolled out the OC after the STL game to take credit for the benching of Jason Campbell (we all know AD rolled him out). That was weird for me then and it pretty much summed it for how dysfunction we were.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:05 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Really, what does this fine really matter? We are already moving forward. Cable is old news. HuJack adn the possibility of Saunders (I wonder if we can afford him) and a new DC coming in.
Getting coaches doesn’t look like a problem this year
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Wake up. This goes to the heart of the organization’s issues.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:05 am
# Carl Weathers Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:58 am
I wonder if Tom Cable is still a Raiders fan?
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Probably like a lot of people…still a Raider fan, not an Al fan
January 16th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Getting coaches that “nobody else wants” will never be a problem.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:07 am
136.BoJacks Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:05 am
# Carl Weathers Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:58 am
I wonder if Tom Cable is still a Raiders fan?
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Probably like a lot of people…still a Raider fan, not an Al fan
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Very true. Once a Raider will always be a Raider. It doesnt mean we have to suck on everything from Al Davis either.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:07 am
oh yeah hue jackson and al saunders whoopie. half the roster that gave you such promise of we should have made the playoffs, will be gone.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Okay, lets talk about Saunders and his 8,000 page playbook that players have trouble digesting
January 16th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Al Saunders did do wonders with Priest Holmes though. I’ll give him that.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:08 am
I find myself routing for the plucky Seahawks, which means they’re going to loose,…
January 16th, 2011 at 11:08 am
He doesn’t always win. He still owes Shanarat 250k from his 1987-88 tenure after losing a legal procedure. Of course why pay shanarat after he was quoted as saying with his “system” he could make Marc Wilson a star. That was the beginning of dementia setting in. The next year Davis actually traded the pro bowl all world left tackle Jim Lachey for all world Jay Schroeder.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Dude, Al Saunders carries major cred in this league. And you say nobody else wants him????? When has this guy ever been out of a job lol?
January 16th, 2011 at 11:10 am
For me, it all started with the benching of Marcus Allen. Marcus is one of the best Raider RB ever and he just started benching this guy….for what?
January 16th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Didn’t Marcus gt benched over a woman? Something to do with showing up the owner and Bo Jackson being on the roster I recall.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:13 am
There was a great book written about inside the Raiders by an ex Los Angeles Raider team physician Rob Huizenga. If you can find it online its well worth the read.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Only two things I can see goin in here. Davis just keeps hiring people to coach this team that just can’t coach so he’s having to fire them all the time. He butts heads with them fines them so it could just be the coaches he puts in there that makes the team so screwed up. Are the other thing is Davis is just not capable to be a owner. He has lost his mind and cant get along with anyone no one wants to coach for a owner with davis and his track record. No good decent coach would want to come here and deal with this crap. Something has got to give, and Davis has not given in a hundred yr’s. I hope hue turns out to be a saint for this team and becomes a coach an actual football coach ( head coach ). If not we will continue to get garbage.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Did Al Saunders name come up as the OC for any team in this offseason? He was let go from STL and became a consultant for Baltimore. Why wasnt he hired as an OC for any team in the 2010 season? We’re the only ones that has him as possibly for the OC position.
The more you post Terrapin the more you’re starting to be nothing but an Al Davis sheep. Ooohhh Al can do no Wrong!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 11:14 am
# aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:10 am
For me, it all started with the benching of Marcus Allen. Marcus is one of the best Raider RB ever and he just started benching this guy….for what?
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Just like the downfall of all great empires
Over a woman
January 16th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Who cares about this ish???? Cables gone. He should be thanking Al Davis and Jesus for ever having the opportunity to be a HC in this league (which will never happen again). We don’t know what was going on behind closed doors. I personally don’t care
Hues our man now. And rightfully so.
J Marshall is gone. And rightfully so.
So who’s even in the running to coach the D?
January 16th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Bo,
give me the scoop on that with Marcus. What was that about?
January 16th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Seems like some of you don’t approve of ANYTHING Davis does.
There’s a lot of positive things happening with this team. Does Davis get credit for that?
Saunders is a good hire. Someone with more NFL experience than Hue and well regarded around the league.
A lot of young talent assembled on this roster.
We’re moving in a good direction.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Uncle Al forced Shell to bench Marcus in favor of Bo. Once again money. Allen’s contract was up and Marcus was forcing the issue. Davis tends to take care of players (at least back then) that didn’t make waves. For some reason Al never liked Marcus anyway, probably since he was Ron Wolfs draft pick. This goes back to win my way or not at all. Al only likes/liked DHB types both on offense or defense. He doesn’t care if they are football players.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I was half-joking but I’ve heard two rumors
1. Al had a side chick and Marcus stole her
2. Marcus has relations with Al’s daughter and did her foul
I can believe either one b/c Allen even got with his buddy OJ’s wife
January 16th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Rossee Says:
He doesn’t always win. He still owes Shanarat 250k from his 1987-88 tenure after losing a legal procedure.
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Al didn’t lose any legal battle with Shanny. Shanarat lost in NFL court because his contract stipulated he couldn’t coach in the AFC west for 5 years. The year Shanny went to the SB Al told him to knock off the interviews saying Al owed him anything or Al would sue. Shanahan shut up & never said a word but the NFL fans and announcers still perpetuate the lie.
Published in the Denver Post 1998.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:22 am
In the past 7 years, Davis hasnt done much to be approved of. How many offensive and defensive probowlers have we drafted in the past 7 years?
I loved Al Davis for his me against the world and rebel attitude. I hate his stupid and petty habits. It was his ego that built the Raiders into a legendary sports franchise and it had been his ego that also made us the laughingstock of the league the past 7 years.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Davis has been involved in litigation ever since he arrived in the league. it just sucks because he is doing it to his head coaches. Im interested in hearing more, so we can learn how frivolous the claim really is.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Aig I totally agree. By the way, if anyone cares, the name of the book is Your Ok, Its just a Bruise.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:25 am
AIG, you are a retard, sorry. The sht you post is completely assinine. So in order for him to qualify he must have been offered an OC job last year? Get the fuk outta here. That’s just stupid.
Do I really need to explain this to you?
….you know forget about it. Figure this sht out yourself. The guys bio speaks for itself, I don’t need to justify it.
Get over your Cable love fest. The guy wouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath as Saunders. Cable would not even be allowed to sht in the same bowl.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Rosse,
I heard that Marcus didnt have blazing 40 speed either. Supposedly Al was never impressed with Marcus even after his rookie year. I heard a story on nfl networks where they recounted how Al Davis walked up to Marcus and snickered to him about his Heisman trophy winner status. I believe this came directly from Marcus retelling the story. It wouldnt surprise me at all that Wolf picked Marcus because we know Al loves his picks.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:26 am
bspn with more crap….starting to rival faux news in stupidity…
January 16th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Terrapin,
Lot’s of name calling but no facts. Try again. Did anyone wanted to hire Al Saudners as the OC this offseason? You’re Al Davis Sheep Now. Get over it.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:28 am
# J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Seems like some of you don’t approve of ANYTHING Davis does.
There’s a lot of positive things happening with this team. Does Davis get credit for that?
Saunders is a good hire. Someone with more NFL experience than Hue and well regarded around the league.
A lot of young talent assembled on this roster.
We’re moving in a good direction.
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I think people just have different breaking points when it comes to Al.
There have been so many things over the years that eventually people just lose it like one of those women in Snapped.
The hubby can beat them for years and years, but once he says ‘the meatloaf is too salty’, she reaches for the butcher knife.
This Cable thing was just my final straw. I don’t think he was the best coach or anything, but after having to pay $$$ for tickets home and away, having to watch a TV in my section that is held together with duct tape, and having to watch the Jr. Raiderettes during halftime again, and again, and AGAIN
(effing tightwad…pay money to useless players and can’t even pay up to get some good halftime entertainment…but i digrees)
I’ve just had it with the dude.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Whats bspn sayin now?
January 16th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Bo Jackson was better than Marcus. Bo was a rare breed. As good as Marcus was, a HOF back, he was no Bo Jackson and that says a lot about Bo!
January 16th, 2011 at 11:29 am
BoJack-Al doesn’t have a daughter. Only a son who tries to stay away from all the drama. His nephew, Al’s sisters kid (if he wasn’t fired) was once the Raider ticket director. He trusts Amy Trask more than anyone. She and her assistant, Carolyn even made the move from L.A.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:31 am
“I still wake up hoping that Al found a way to patch things up with Tom Cable”
-Aig, a week after the Tom Cable firing
January 16th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Marcus Allen was benched EVEN after Bo Jackson was no longer playing football. Marcus only went over to KC to kick our a$$ for a few years after.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:31 am
# rossee Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:29 am
BoJack-Al doesn’t have a daughter. Only a son who tries to stay away from all the drama. His nephew, Al’s sisters kid (if he wasn’t fired) was once the Raider ticket director. He trusts Amy Trask more than anyone. She and her assistant, Carolyn even made the move from L.A.
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Like I said, ‘rumor I heard’
January 16th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Thanks for clearing it up though
(but I still think Marcus is dirty enough to do that)
January 16th, 2011 at 11:33 am
#168 …Thats just going to be a classic in here for years to come. LMAO nearly each time.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Seattle back down to earth.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:34 am
JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Hues our man now. And rightfully so.
J Marshall is gone. And rightfully so
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Care to explain your opinions above? Since you proclaimed to be so smart, I look forward to your answer.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Bojacks. Good point about the cheerleaders. That’s just wrong. I live in Atl. All the dancers down here are on point!
January 16th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
Bo,
give me the scoop on that with Marcus. What was that about?
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From the same book:Your Ok, Its just a Bruise, Marcus suffered from a stress fracture but the NFL at the time didn’t know what that was. Al thought he was dogging it because they couldn’t find the problem. I think this is at the root of the problem between MA & AL. He was out several games with this “mysterious” leg ailment. Another reason compounding this is Marcus used to walk behind Al imitating him: from Marcus Allen’s book.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:35 am
164.BoJacks Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:28 am
I think people just have different breaking points when it comes to Al.
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This came for me last year when he forced JaWalrus to start even though the kid never earned it.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:37 am
I did hear Marcus slept with someone’s girl that Al did not like.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:38 am
So I wonder what Hue and Saunders will be looking for at the Senior Bowl and other all star games?
I wonder what they think about Gallery, Satele, and Walker?
January 16th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Aig, a white girl!
I remember hearing (rumor) something about that!
January 16th, 2011 at 11:40 am
I did hear Marcus slept with someone’s girl that Al did not like.
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That was OJ’s wife Nicole. Marcus explains that he was married to a blonde who looked a lot like her & reporters confused the two. You decide the truth.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:40 am
They should be able to afford Saunders. Washington paid him around $6mm I think; but as an Sr. Offensive Asst with the Ravens he surely made less than that so this should be a raise.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:42 am
This came for me last year when he forced JaWalrus to start even though the kid never earned it.
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You don’t think the wins over Houston and Tampa Bay to end the season earned him that job? He literally saved Tom Cable’s job, so you can’t assume Cable didn’t appreciate that and approve of him starting. Any team in that situation starts their #1 overall pick after the way he finished the previous season.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:42 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Bo Jackson was better than Marcus. Bo was a rare breed. As good as Marcus was, a HOF back, he was no Bo Jackson and that says a lot about Bo!
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That just doesn’t explain Allen’s treatment after Bo was injure and gone. I think he sat for two seasons behind out of gas guys like Eric Dickerson and Roger Craig….among other lesser named POS RBs…before he finally got his freedom.
Just another example of Al putting personal issue above winning.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Can’t somebody please put Al out of misery… Or should I say Raiders fans misery? The Al is killing us! The Raiders will never win a Damn thing with Al calling the shots. He lost the players by firing Cable, it will be a mass exodus of players out of Oakland and what free agent will want to come to Oakland. Al is a joke, a parody, a laughingstock
January 16th, 2011 at 11:45 am
that wasn’t aimed at giving any reason. just stating that Bo was a much better back than Marcus
January 16th, 2011 at 11:45 am
found this on the web…
“Socially Allen traveled in lofty circles. He was a regular guest at Simpson’s Brentwood estate with Al Cowlings and other sports luminaries such as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Ahmad Rashad, and Lynn Swann. But his success was leading him to trouble as he gained more attention from the media and the Raiders team and owner got less. Raiders maverick owner Al Davis was becoming increasingly aware that one of his players was being singled out above the team. Allen continued his individual brilliance the following year in 1984, leading the league in touchdowns with 18 and gaining 1,168 yards, but the Raiders faltered. By the end of the season Davis was openly calling Allen a selfish player to his coaching staff.”
Gruden was getting more attention than AD here and he shipped him out too.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:45 am
This came for me last year when he forced JaWalrus to start even though the kid never earned it.
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Just a few years ago, Saunders was highly touted. I remember a lot of accolades when he was hired in Washington and paid all that $.
Did he just become a stiff because he took Al Davis’ moeny?
January 16th, 2011 at 11:45 am
For my little buddy AIG…
JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 5:53 am
Raiders Defense PPG:
2010: 23.2 (20th)
2009: 23.7 (23rd)
2008: 24.2 (24th)
2007: 24.9 (26th)
We need someone to improve the bottom line the same way Hue just did with the offense
January 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Top 8 defenses in terms of PPG all went to the playoffs
January 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Al’s mistake wasn’t firing Tom Cable, it was creating a situation so poisonous that no legit, established HC would touch the job, making a hire like Tom Cable the only option.
Hue Jackson better get the majority of his money up front. Only an idiot would take this job otherwise.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Aig. The Bo story was very interesting. They wanted to move Marcus to fullback but Marcus resisted. Marcus has deceptive speed, was a great pass receiver and hit the hole as well as any back ever did. Bo was better than any running back Ive ever seen (power and speed) including today’s stud backs. Bo’s career ending injury happened during the 1990 or 91 playoff game vs the Bengals. He tore his hip and that was that. Marcus ultimately went to the Chiefs as a free agent and had a few more productive seasons. Come Hall of Fame time he went in as a Chief. The Raiders to this day refuse to acknowledge his Raider Hall of Fame accomplishments similarly to ignoring Gannons contributions to the Raiders in the early 2000’s.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Mass exodus of players like who?
Seymour is coming back and so is Routt.
We might lose our backup RB and bust #2 overall pick.
Who else that matters is leaving?
January 16th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Hill,
an Al Davis Sheep posted this…”Getting coaches doesn’t look like a problem this year”
I wanted to make sure the sheep realizes that getting a coach that nobody else in the league wanted is always easy.
Dont get me wrong, I hope Al Saunders uses DMAC the same way he made Priest Holmes the league’s most dangerous weapon.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Bo’s career ending injury happened during the 1990 or 91 playoff game vs the Bengals.
1990. They went on to lose 51-3 the next week to the Bills in the AFC championship. IThat one hurt for years!
January 16th, 2011 at 11:50 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:45 am
that wasn’t aimed at giving any reason. just stating that Bo was a much better back than Marcus
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I see. Bo was amazing. One of Al’s last great achievements….getting Bo to play NFL football. Freak injury.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:51 am
AL-Bo-Marcus,
the move that set the Raiders back was when Al traded our premier LT that we just acquired from SD to Wash for jay Schraeder as Howie stated that QB cost us three SuperBowls.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:51 am
See JonTrain,
You’re so easy for me.
Please tell me how Hue improved on our passing game? But he’s great though right?
Hue’s passing game is 23rd in the league but he’s good for us right?
January 16th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Nobody is gonna leave Oakland jus cuz Cable got fired. C’mon man. MAYBE Gallery. That’s it.
For example Michael Bush. If he gets a chance to be the man somewhere else, he’s gone. That’s what he wants. With or without Cable
January 16th, 2011 at 11:55 am
no legit, established HC would touch the job, making a hire like Tom Cable the only option.
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Isn’t the real story that Al won’t touch any of these so called established HCs?
Tom Cable was far from the only option 2 years ago. The whole continuity thing kept Cable his job.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:55 am
What’s funny about AL and the Raiders and the Hall of Fame is that the Raiders discount Mr. Allen’s performnce as a Raider, but seem to claim Mr. Jerry Rice accomplished all his HOF while as a Raider.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Sean McDermott 4-3 guy
January 16th, 2011 at 11:56 am
FYI JonTrain,
Both Hue and Marshall improved our overall D and O. Except they both can’t do jack shcytt about our passing game and run D. Why is that? Al Davis picks the QB and Al Davis forces the 1 safety deep man to man D. They both became liabilities in the passing game and run D.
Yet you sheeps believe Hue is a savior and Marshall is a bum.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:57 am
AIG
You sort through all these stats and find things you don’t like, while the obvious truth is in front of you
6th in scoring. Bottom Line.
Like I said a million times, passing game obviously must be improved. No Ish. But our offense as a whole utilized our strengths and got good production considering the talent.
Ur so caught up in trying to prove me wrong that you say things that make no sense at all.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Hell Naw to Sean Mcdermott LOL!!! He looks like my accountant
January 16th, 2011 at 11:58 am
PS. To replace Marcus, I believe after the 90 season when Marcus went to KC as a free agent, Uncle Al brought in the Chiefs running back Harvey Williams. What a joke. After that debackle came the signings of washed up Dickerson’s of the world although I may have the order wrong. Bo’s injury came right in from of me at the game. There was controversy and innuendos about that as well.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:58 am
rossee Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Aig. The Bo story was very interesting. They wanted to move Marcus to fullback but Marcus resisted. Marcus has deceptive speed, was a great pass receiver and hit the hole as well as any back ever did. Bo was better than any running back Ive ever seen (power and speed) including today’s stud backs. Bo’s career ending injury happened during the 1990 or 91 playoff game vs the Bengals. He tore his hip and that was that. Marcus ultimately went to the Chiefs as a free agent and had a few more productive seasons. Come Hall of Fame time he went in as a Chief. The Raiders to this day refuse to acknowledge his Raider Hall of Fame accomplishments similarly to ignoring Gannons contributions to the Raiders in the early 2000’s.
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Allen is in the HOF as a Raider and a Chief….he actually spoke more about the Raiders in his HOF speech than he did KC.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:59 am
None of the coaches hired as HCs this year would be considered guys that teams were after. Like Hue, Frazier, Garrett, Shurmur, etc were only sought after by the teams that hired them.
I think Harbaugh may be the exception for obvious reasons.
A lot of teams are following Al’s model of simply hiring a young former coordinator to run the ship.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I never said Hue was a savior. I said he’s good, and certainly better than Cable. I never said Marshall was a bum. I said he didn’t produce results simlar to Hue
Twist somebody elses words, not mine
January 16th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
If Gruden can be blamed for being a distraction in the ‘01 season because he was speaking with Notre Dame, and Kiffin can be blamed for distracting the team in ‘07 for doing the same with Arkansas, then can Al Davis be blamed for leveling unnecessary fines on his head coach during the ‘10 season? One game out of the playoffs, and Al Davis was doing this all along. Al’s a scumbag. He deserves nothing but failure the rest of his miserable life, and he’s going to get it.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
JonT
you are correct
and not only that Mr. Bush was a top ten pick until his brutal leg injury his senior year dropped him all the way to the 4th round.
He is going to go where he gets paid, which means he will start!
Teams that need Michael skills and power, also has great hands out of the backfield are:
Green Bay
New Orleans
Washington
Arizona
San Diego (remeber they’ve wanted him for two years)
Indianapolis
Miami
Detroit
Seattle
January 16th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
LOL@ Harvey Williams!
Haven’t heard that name in a while, Harvey “longnecker” Willaims!
January 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Let’s remember another thing about Hue Jackson for anyone that thinks DMAC is the reason we were as good as we were. Before Hue Jackson we ran a strict zone-blocking scheme, which didn’t do much for him. When Hue came in, and installed more power run plays, the same plays Mcfadden thrived in at Arkansas, he instantly became a top 5 back. So be real and call it for what it is.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:56 am
FYI JonTrain
Both Hue and Marshall improved our overall D and O. Except they both can’t do jack shcytt about our passing game and run D. Why is that? Al Davis picks the QB and Al Davis forces the 1 safety deep man to man D. They both became liabilities in the passing game and run D.
Yet you sheeps believe Hue is a savior and Marshall is a bum.
Davis more or less leaves the offense alone unless someone (Cable) shows him up by benching the new Jim Plunkett for the old Rusty Hilger (Grads)
As I said nothing will change with the defense unless the scheme changes. And it won’t. Period.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
JonTrain,
I see you still can’t have a legit reason on why Hue is better than Marshall? Keep trying though. You’re giving me another reason to dunk on your stupid a$$.
Pre Marshall YPG 2008 – Oak D ranked 28th in the league. 2010 Oakland D ranked 10th.
Pre Hue 2009 YPG – Oak O ranked 31st and 2010 ranked 10th
So Hue is a stud but Marshall is a bum?
January 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
And I hope Bush does get that opportunity he deserves it
January 16th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
There is no interest in Hue Jackson around the NFL. Niners interviewed him to satisfy Rooney Rule. Hue Jackson sucks, and there isn’t a shred of proof out there that he’s better than Cable. In fact, there’s more proof that Cable is better than him. Cable saw an NFL team improve on HIS WATCH as a head coach..indisputable fact. We only have an INC on Jackson at this point. He’s accomplished nothing. So the evidence at this point says that Cable is better. We just downgraded at head coach. That’s what the physical evidence says. Only anecdotal evidence (i.e., “woulda coulda and shouldas”) suggest Jackson is better.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
One of the most entertaining aspects of Aaron Rodgers’ brilliance as a QB and record-establishing performances in the playoffs is that it all constitutes a continuing karate chop to the psyche of Whiner fans everywhere as they think about Alex Smith and what coulda been with Rodgers. Hahahahahahahahahaha.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I never said Hue was a savior. I said he’s good, and certainly better than Cable. I never said Marshall was a bum. I said he didn’t produce results simlar to Hue
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I’m using your own words against you. It’s called Judo. Same effin stats I just posted for both guys.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
rossee Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:58 am
PS. To replace Marcus, I believe after the 90 season when Marcus went to KC as a free agent, Uncle Al brought in the Chiefs running back Harvey Williams. What a joke. After that debackle came the signings of washed up Dickerson’s of the world although I may have the order wrong. Bo’s injury came right in from of me at the game. There was controversy and innuendos about that as well.
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Bo was injured in Jan of 1991. Allen played two more seasons with the Raiders after Bo’s injury (1991 and 1992). Al signed Roger Craig and benched Allen in 1991. Al got Dickerson in 1992, and Allen sat the bench again. Allen went to KC in 1993. Total fkn joke.
Oh, and by the way, the Raiders have Allen on their list of HOF players.
Dude, get your story right bro!
January 16th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
AIG thats why ur a moron. U wanna find a stat that fits ur argument and run with it. Guys like u who aint never really played nuthin…know nuthin.
U dumb POS points decide games, not yards.
Ur only desire is to try and prove me wrong LOL…and u end looking stupid cuz of it
Our 2-14 team was what, 2nd against the pass? IT MEANS NOTHING! They were terrible.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Mr. Allen knocked the Raiders out of the playoffs last game of the regular season when he played for KC.
In fact you can date when the Raiders initial decline started, when the Raiders lost Marcus to the Chiefs. we started losing season after season until Mr. Gannon and Gruden lead the Raiders to the playoffs year after year, since they have been gone… well we know all to well the Raiders’ seasons since then.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
innuendos about that as well.
207.Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:58 am
rossee Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Aig. The Bo story was very interesting. They wanted to move Marcus to fullback but Marcus resisted. Marcus has deceptive speed, was a great pass receiver and hit the hole as well as any back ever did. Bo was better than any running back Ive ever seen (power and speed) including today’s stud backs. Bo’s career ending injury happened during the 1990 or 91 playoff game vs the Bengals. He tore his hip and that was that. Marcus ultimately went to the Chiefs as a free agent and had a few more productive seasons. Come Hall of Fame time he went in as a Chief. The Raiders to this day refuse to acknowledge his Raider Hall of Fame accomplishments similarly to ignoring Gannons contributions to the Raiders in the early 2000’s.
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Allen is in the HOF as a Raider and a Chief….he actually spoke more about the Raiders in his HOF speech than he did KC.
Aig-He won a superbowl and a SB MVP as a Raider. Wasn’t much to talk about (individually) as a Chief. As I recall he was the first Raider inducted to the HOF that didn’t have Al present him
January 16th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
What did Oakland’d D rank last year prior to Hue coming over and improving the offense?
I’ve been told on many of occasion in here that better offense is a direct link to better defense.
And what about the players Al Davis gave Marshall on defense this year? Houston, ShoNasty, Wimbley, Henderson, McClain?
January 16th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I never said Hue was a savior. I said he’s good, and certainly better than Cable. I never said Marshall was a bum. I said he didn’t produce results simlar to Hue
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I’m using your own words against you. It’s called Judo. Same effin stats I just posted for both guys.
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Huh? OK now i really think that ur legally retarded LOL.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
JonTrain,
You said Hue improved our offense. Are you saying Marshall didnt improve our D?
They both Did except for passing and run D. However, one guy is good enough to stay and the other is not good enough to stay. They both had the exact same achievements in terms of improving our O and D. Stats dont lie Jon.
You’re stuck I know……. because you didnt wtf you were talking about to begin with!
January 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
KiffinRaider,
seems to bug you quite a bit that an “accomplished nothing” is to be the Raiders HC. Previous “accomplished nothings” like Madden and Flores and Gruden went to championship games with the Silver and Black.
Or is it that HueJack isn’t as melanin-challenged as you would like?
January 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Dakota…Of course he would be listed as a Hall of Famer, just like Gannon will be listed as a Raider league MVP. It doesn’t mean they will ever be invited to Raider headquarters.
PS-I have forgotten more Raider history than you will ever know.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
I like how Jerry, from time to time, points out the state of the Raiders not just in the past 8 years, but since they moved back to Oakland in 1995
January 16th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
However, one guy is good enough to stay and the other is not good enough to stay
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One guys contract was up, the other one’s wasn’t.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Rosse,
All I know is Allen kept on getting TD’s vs us as a Chief. Wiki said he got 12 TD’s 1 year and KC went to the AFC champ game.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
AIG,
My whole mantra on every single post has been: POINTS MATTER
It’s a bottom line league, and the bottom line is score more points, and allow less
But AIG u wanna whip out ur calculator and find some sort of angle to disprove that, or start “discounting” points and adding caveats and excuses that fit your love affair with Tom Cable and the staus quo of a “brilliant” 8-8 season vs a less than difficult schedule. And in the process you ignore the plain truth staring right at you. Why?
January 16th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Both Hue and Marshall improved our overall D and O. Except they both can’t do jack shcytt about our passing game and run D. Why is that? Al Davis picks the QB and Al Davis forces the 1 safety deep man to man D. They both became liabilities in the passing game and run D.
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exactly very very true
January 16th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
KiffinRaider,
Oh yeah, forgot to list Rauch and Shell as other “accomplished nothings” who took the Raiders to championship games.
You can crawl back into your hole now.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
216.JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
And I hope Bush does get that opportunity he deserves it
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Bush is going to be easy to replace. Just irks me that we are going to lose him for nothing.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
JonTrain,
You said Hue improved our offense. Are you saying Marshall didnt improve our D?
They both Did except for passing and run D. However, one guy is good enough to stay and the other is not good enough to stay. They both had the exact same achievements in terms of improving our O and D. Stats dont lie Jon.
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Talk to me about points, moron. For real, for once, answer one of my posts when I ask you a driect question.
What did Hue and Marshall do in terms of PPG?
January 16th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Aig..That is true…He absolutely killed us….Went to AFC Championship game I believe with Joe Montana at QB….Bottom line is this…We will never dominate or even come close until Uncle Al goes….He was great in his time….63-86 or so…In 87 free agency started and in came Vince Evans, Jay Schroeder, Rusty Hilger along with Eddie Anderson etc….Go on Wik and read our draft choices since Ron Wolf left the Raiders in the 80’s.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
78.aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:18 am
yeah Armond on Matthews, dude can flat out play on that inferior Oregon D. That family is like the Mannings. They know football and their kids all have great instincts. I’d love to see him replace Wimbley. McClain, Groves and Matthews would be pretty good.
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damn yall still goin at it?i bet when i come back from golden corral yall stil will be arguin about the same sh!t. aig i would replace groves with him not kamwimb. we agree about him being more of a pass rusher but groves is the weak link of the lb’s. id rather see Q as a situational passrusher off the bench. as long as we get that mathews kid im cool. cant wait for the senior bowl to kick off this years draft talk.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Golden Corrall???
People breathing all over your grub doesn’t bother you?
Make sure you don’t get that chicken leg that 10 yr old sneezed on, lol.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
haha chad ocho is engaged to that boricua on VH1’s basketball wives. some guys never learn. she thick but a straight up BIOTCHH!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Still waiting AIG….
January 16th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
rossee Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Dakota…Of course he would be listed as a Hall of Famer, just like Gannon will be listed as a Raider league MVP. It doesn’t mean they will ever be invited to Raider headquarters.
PS-I have forgotten more Raider history than you will ever know.
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LMAO apparently you have forgotten most of the Marcus Allen years lol.
You can’t come in here and make obvious mistakes like saying as to the HOF Marcus “went in as a Chief” Wrong, he is in there as a Chief and a Raider and actually spoke more about the Raiders than the Chiefs in his speech. I can post the transcript if you would like. And then you say something like this “The Raiders to this day refuse to acknowledge his Raider Hall of Fame accomplishments” when in fact the Raiders have him listed on their list of HOF players on their friggin web site. And then you claim Marcus went to KC in 1990, when he actually went there in 1993. And then you claim Harvey Williams came in to replace Marcus and when that didn’t work guys like Dickerson were signed, when in fact Dickerson was a Raider in 1992 and Harvey Williams wasn’t a Raider until 1994!
Based on those comments I am beginning to wonder if you are even a fan of the Raiders.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
JonTrain,
For a guy who claimed that I pick and choose stats….you’re sure not doing that right now?
Points scored per game is a combination of Defense, ST and Offense. For example, we scored 35 against SD at our home but ST and D were scored 19 of those 35 points or we scored 31 in KC last week but the D scored/set up 14 of those 31 points. It’s not a true indicator of how well the OC is doing unless you’re going to get into backing out the points scored by the D and ST and rank them for every team.
Keep trying moron.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
239.J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Golden Corrall???
People breathing all over your grub doesn’t bother you?
Make sure you don’t get that chicken leg that 10 yr old sneezed on, lol.
——————————————————-yous a fool! its ways to play that brotha. i wait til they bring all the fresh food out of the kitchen. then i load up on everything i want until the next batch comes out. hey man when u go to a restaurant the damn chef couldve sneezed on your food but i hear what u sayin. im decades deep in the game now, im a professional.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
BTW, it’s widely accepted in this league that you jugdge a team performance offense and defense performance by total yardpergame on offens and defense. You can even go to nfl.com and the first ranking they have is by total ypg moron!
January 16th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Bears getting cute…..bad move.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
LOL Armond ..
enjoy your meal bruh!
January 16th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
AIG,
Damn I really thought you could do better than that.
You still didn’t answer the question
I’m a lil disappointed.
I was having fun going back and forth with you but you keep diverting attention away from the bottom line. You throw out numbers like a Chinese physicist, but can’t you play Connect Four to save your life.
It’s been fun tho.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
LOL!!!!
It’s also widely accepted that points win games.
U are hilarious.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Seahawks were 2nd in Offense YPG this year
Eagles were 4th in Defense YPG this year
Case Closed. U really are playing yourself right now my friend
January 16th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
If memory serves the Raiders had to relinquish some OTA’s during Lane (Lance) Kiffin’s ill-fated tenure due to violations of the so-called “no contact” rule.
Of course we all know of Kif’s unsuccessful attempt to pry dollars loose from Al. Did any of this ivolve a “fine” for loosing OTa’s, as is the case with Cable?
Probably not unchartered waters. Just like the “opt out” in Aso’s contract.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Those were postseason stats. Doh! LOL
January 16th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
JFB,
Are you saying that you don’t think Saunders is a good hire for the OC position?
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Don’t like Saunders as OC. He was OC for the Redskins and had a ginormous playbook. It’ just going to confuse Campbell more. This will be a step back if this happens.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Zimmer would be a good choice for DC here but he’s already DC with the Bengals, where he’s a well-regarded coach. Plus the Raiders can’t interview him unless it’s for HC.
Their best bet is to find some defensive assistants to interview who are strong coaches. It’s not like the DC will be responsible for the overall defensive philosophy here anyway.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Even better: regular Season: #1 Defense in terms of YPG was the Chargers. They were far from the best defense.
Stats can be misleading.
Points matter more than anything.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Wow some people here would make great sci fi writters. A less than mediocre coach is disciplined by the team owner, for multiple infractions, and attempts to sue the owner?!?!? In season while chasing for a playoff birth?
Perhaps he would rather have been fired?
Unheard of.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Honestly? I’d rather have McDaniels as OC than Saunders. McDaniels is good with QBs and here he wouldn’t have control of the roster.
I’m sure McDaniels would rather have the St. Louis OC gig, though.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Having a 700pg playbook doesn’t mean you have to install 700pgs of plays. Hue Jack can simply tell him 100 is enough lol.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
I don’t like the Saunders hire either. Too many cooks spoil the meal.
I’d rather see Hue as HNIC. Head Coach and OC. Give him the keys and see what he can do
January 16th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
People had the same complaints about Martz however. Bears seem to be doing fine. Maybe it comes down to the talents you have on the field to execute them??
January 16th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Nahhhh, wasn’t a fan of the dual HC/OC thing.
Have no problem with the HC calling the plays, but he should have a guy in he booth to bounce things off of.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Hue definitely needs the help. Someone to tell him hell to the nahhhh on the Reece reverse, lol!
January 16th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
As long as Saunders’ role would be to just teach the team Hue’s playbook, I don’t mind it. Maybe Hue is considering bringing him in to reprise the role he has in Baltimore, which is an “offensive consultant”.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
This week’s ESPN bombshell: Raiders owner Al Davis deducted $120,000 from the paychecks of coach Tom Cable during the course of the season as fines for the club losing organized team activity sessions as mandated by the NFL.
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Boy, that SOB hates to pay coaches, jeez.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
I can understand the reluctance with Saunders and wanting Hue to control it all on offense. But its a give and take.
Hue needs to not only influence the offense but get the most out of that defense as well. So his attention can’t be overly focused on the offense. That defense should be a ’shut-down’ defense with the amount of talent they have.
So I can understand him bringing in an OC to help manage the defense while he focuses on the team as a whole to get the most out of the players – not just primarily the offensive players.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
I find it sad that after sitting out two seasons Mike Williams could come in and have a better season than any of our WRs.
January 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
the Chargers were done in by the failure at ST. ST cost them the game in Oakland and the opening game in KC. They win those 2 games and they are 11-5 hosting a playoff game. You sttill dont know your schytt.
January 16th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
AIG, stop it man. Take a breather. You just making yourself look worse. Take a step back. Work it out mentally with yourself and then come back here to shed some enlightenment. b/c you’re sorely lacking in that dept now
January 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Rossee Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
PS-I have forgotten more Raider history than you will ever know.
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Not more than me Rossee. You cross-dressing imposter.
January 16th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
This week’s ESPN bombshell: Raiders owner Al Davis deducted $120,000 from the paychecks of coach Tom Cable during the course of the season as fines for the club losing organized team activity sessions as mandated by the NFL.
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How could anybody work for that P.O.S.?
January 16th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Are we back to the annual Al Saunders rumors? I’ll believe it when I see it.
January 16th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Hue Jackson: Have your lawyer go over that contract with a fine tooth comb.
January 16th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Sheep,
Still sucking on Al Thumbs?
January 16th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Davis has ZERO class.
January 16th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Ur missing the point. Their #1 ranked YPG Def rating didn’t accurately reflect how good their defense was.
The reason being…..Special Teams! That’s right Ladies And Gents I’m using the Aig endorsed technique of Judo! LOL…
Poor Special Teams play put San Diego’s defense in terrible field position, therefore there was simply less yards for them to defend! Sometimes, their poor special teams even robbed the D of “possesions” by giving up TDs! So OF COURSE their defensive YPG is good.
Thus, ergo, visa vi: Like I said before, YPG don’t matter nearly as much as points do.
Honestly, you at least have to see that logic. I mean c’mon I know you hate me but you gotta be man enough to admit when ur wrong
Heee-YA! Judo Chop!
January 16th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Lol, think DHB could have made a catch like Mike Williams just made? Great hands!
lmao
January 16th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
I remember reading Ed MaGah’s wife in the Oakland Tribune, saying that Al Davis was like a rat running around under their house, that they couldn’t get rid of. lol
January 16th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Dakota,
The Laker game is on.
Who cares about that POS game?
January 16th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
jhill
what station?
January 16th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
KCal – 9 here is So Cal
Lakers on road vs the Clippers.
January 16th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Since the Cheatriots are #1a. on my “list” of teams I despise.(Chargers will always be #1) I am forced to be rooting for the J-E-T-S to put a foot up Belacheats backside today..
January 16th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
I’ve always liked Al and he basically is the Raiders. But this story, if true, is more than a little sickening. That’s an enormous amount of money to fine a coach for bending the rules to push his guys a little harder in OTAs. Factor in Cable’s seemingly always loyal public stance to the team and the improvement that was made this year and I just don’t get it. Something stupid like this can really sap team morale and make all those free agents think twice about sticking with this organization.
On an opposite note, I really like the possibility of Saunders as OC with Hue as HC. Saunders, I’m sure most of you remember, was OC with those juggernaut Chiefs offenses under Vermeil. Likes to establish the run and throw it deep, which suits our personnel.
January 16th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Mike W. never made catches like that for us either
January 16th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Chris,
It’s Al’s team, and everybody else is just collecting a paycheck.
January 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Cable should’ve been fined for calling on Lechler to pass the ball between his legs to Seabass on 4th and 9.
“WooWooWoowoobWoo! A victim of coicumstance!”
Cable should’ve been fined for starting his Boytoy Brucekowski a few weeks ago against the ‘Fins.
“If at first you don’t succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed.”
Cable should’ve been fined for calling four consecutive pass plays from the 2 yard line against the Browns.
“Not me! I’m a pedestrian.”
(quotes courtesy of Curly Howard)
January 16th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Jontrain,
Fact 1 – ST gave up 1 TD against KC. the score was 21-14 and it was the diff maker. They dont give up that ST TD to McCluster, they kick the fg to win the game rather than trying to score a TD to even the game.
Fact 2 – ST gave up 12 points against the Raiders and it happens to make a diff in that game too.
O, ST, and D can just win you games as easily as losing games for you. And now you’ve been educated.
Oh btw, where was Hue’s PPG during these 4 losses. Points per game is the bottomline right?
13-38 Tenn
9-17 SF
3-35 Pitt
17 – 33 Mia
January 16th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
I’ve always liked Al and he basically is the Raiders. But this story, if true, is more than a little sickening. That’s an enormous amount of money to fine a coach for bending the rules to push his guys a little harder in OTAs. Factor in Cable’s seemingly always loyal public stance to the team and the improvement that was made this year and I just don’t get it. Something stupid like this can really sap team morale and make all those free agents think twice about sticking with this organization.
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That is positively the truth Chris.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
I will be a Raider fan until I die. I will never leave this team and hope they win it all every year.
However, I am sick of Al Davis and the constant crap coming out of the executive office in Alameda.
I will be glad when he no longer runs this team.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
AIG-
WTF r talking about? Ur spewing facts, all of which I’m well aware, of, with no point!
What is your point in all that????
I told you: San Diego’s ST failures helped their defense terms of yards per game. And that their defense isn’t nearly as good as that YPG stat indicates
And you’ve said nothing to disprove that fact
Stick to the issues if you wanna holla at me lil boy
Damn u a retard!
January 16th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Raider75 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
I will be a Raider fan until I die. I will never leave this team and hope they win it all every year.
However, I am sick of Al Davis and the constant crap coming out of the executive office in Alameda.
I will be glad when he no longer runs this team.
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I second the motion.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
75,
An example of the type of owner you’d like to have?
Just curious.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Raider75 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
I will be a Raider fan until I die. I will never leave this team and hope they win it all every year.
However, I am sick of Al Davis and the constant crap coming out of the executive office in Alameda.
I will be glad when he no longer runs this team.
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I second the motion.
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January 16th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Gee, and we wonder why good coaching candidates don’t wanna come here.
This is bs.
I’m sick of Al Davis and his garbage.
Raider fan all the way, but I really wonder why.
What a pri**
January 16th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Eagles owner forced Vick on Reid.
Adams and Fisher beefing over VY.
Jones and Snyder meddle more than Al Davis.
Spanos brought in a GM in Smith that seemingly all the players hate.
All these owners seem interchangeable to me. Believe me we’d be here complaining about whoever the GM was if we went on some playoff drought that some of these other teams are going through.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
I keep asking who these good candidates are that don’t want to come here. Sarkisian is the only guy I’m aware of that turned us down. Gruden, Callahan, Norv all took the job.
Al made bad initial choice with Shell and Cable, but who turned HIM down instead of those guys?
January 16th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Sarkisian is the only guy I’m aware of that turned us down.
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He did that becaus he knew he wasnt ready to handle the pros…He and kiffin botha are fruads…
USC was all about norm chow…
January 16th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Sean Peyton turned us down, allegedly
January 16th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
120 RACKS cmon al thats some petty asss sh!t after that u might as well kick the ive crem cone out the little kids hand
January 16th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
I keep asking who these good candidates are that don’t want to come here. Sarkisian is the only guy I’m aware of that turned us down.
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Youngster, that’s your problem. You’re not aware of a lot of schit.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Cable bled silver and black and worked his butt off for Al Davis. I’m not so much against Al not renewing his contract but there is non reason to treat his coaches like this.
If I’m a candidate I would be worried that he’d do the same garbage to me. If you owe money to somebody you pay them. Period.
There is no reason for Al to have this kind of disdain for Cable.
I can’t defend this and I’m one of those accused of being an Al Davis bootlicker on here.
This is just wrong. Fining a coach who merely wants to the team to practice hard? And the players didn’t mind anyway. They all LOVED the guy.
If Al wanted Cable to win so bad he should’ve given him better players.
This team wasn’t the 85 Bears for crying out loud and Cable did the best he could and doesn’t deserve this bs.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Dr.Death Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
120 RACKS cmon al thats some petty asss sh!t after that u might as well kick the ive crem cone out the little kids hand
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hahahahahaahaha…Right…
January 16th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Snivel over dropped pennies, while dollars go down the tubes….Nice
January 16th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Not aware of very much at all.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Youngster, that’s your problem. You’re not aware of a lot of schit.
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Is that a fancy way of telling us you don’t know?
January 16th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
just goes 2 show u how out of touch al is nowadays hes tripping on 120 racks but hell pay fake angelo hall millions 4 nothing
January 16th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
ing a coach who merely wants to the team to practice hard?
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Only heard that thrown around as a POSSIBLE reason for the fine.
No one knows what happened yet.
A little early to jump the gun on that one, imo.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Sean Peyton & Ken Whisenhut off the top of my head.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
yeah al go et some of that javon walker money back its ok hes used 2 gettin robbed
January 16th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
You guys are really trippin if you don’t think there are plenty of guys out there who would take Al’s 2 million a year to coach in the NFL.
2 million – Al’s fines still equals a lot more than they would make as an asst, right?
In this economy, lol?
January 16th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Dr.Death Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
just goes 2 show u how out of touch al is nowadays hes tripping on 120 racks but hell pay fake angelo hall millions 4 nothing
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Or how some of the other business decisions have cost him large sums of money. Its okay though, he is a billion air…He can afford to make bad business decisions…
January 16th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
lets go JETS
January 16th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
J. Hill, you’re awfully young to be a Al Davis bootlicker.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Theo i feel u al just aint got no fking marbels
January 16th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Yeah i am pulling for the jets also, i cant stand count chocula…
January 16th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Dr.Death Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
120 RACKS cmon al thats some petty asss sh!t after that u might as well kick the ive crem cone out the little kids hand
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LoL.
Petty asss sh!t is right.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Kell what position do we draft first w/the 48th pick
January 16th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
307.KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Sean Peyton & Ken Whisenhut off the top of my head.
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Didn’t they actually come here and go through the whole interview process?
Came down to Wisenhunt not getting enough $ from Al. Didn’t he leave town expecting to get the job, but his agent couldn’t agree on numbers?
Same with Peyton? Didn’t he get to the contract offer and Jerry Jones paid matched the offer to get him to stay in Dallas?
Those guys were HERE interviewing.
Didn’t say … nahhh … it’s the Raiders calling, no thanks.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Dr.Death Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Theo i feel u al just aint got no fking marbels
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It is a good thing the team is not 100% in Mr. Davis hands…. The “Other Force” are at work…
January 16th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
What is an Al Davis bootlicker?
Someone who doesn’t jump all over every Al Davis rumor that comes outta BSPN?
Al Davis has made plenty of mistakes. I’ve said that on more than one occasion.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
if al still could think rationally he would see that we are the nfls sespool and any coach highly saught after will never come here not until als dead or sold the team(hope the latter happens first
January 16th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Bootlicker’s, The Owners are NOT interchangeable:
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
1. Pittsburg 15
2. Miami 14
3. Green Bay 14
4. New England 13
5. Philadelphia 13
6. San Francisco 12
7. Minnesota 12
8. Kansas City 12
9. Indianapolis 12
10. Denver 12
11. Dallas 12
12. Tennessee 11
13. New York Giants 10
14. Buffalo 9
15. Seattle 8
16. Tampa Bay 8
17. San Diego 8
18. New York Jets 8
19. Chicago 8
20. Washington 8
21. Oakland 6
22. Atlanta 6
23. New Orleans 6
24. St Louis 5
25. Detroit 5
26. Cleveland 4
27. Cincinnati 2
Jacksonville’s been in the League since 1995, 7 winning seasons.
Carolina been in the League since 1995, 4 winning seasons.
Baltimore’s been in the League since 1996, 6 winning seasons.
Houston’s been in the League since 2002, 0 winning seasons.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
al could b acomplete vegetable and he still wouldnt give up control
January 16th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
There was a time that I would change Al’s diapers for him, but if this is true, I cannot defend him on it.
Someone works for you as hard as Cable did then u pay him what u owe.
I accept that Cable was not the guy to take us to the SB,but why screw the guy?
January 16th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
So the effin punter claimed Cable knew how to work with Al so that is one of the reasons he should’ve been kept.
LOL!
January 16th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Cable didn’t feel screwed.
He still wanted to work here. Not sure why you guys are more upset about the fine than Cable is?
January 16th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
I’ll say something nice about the old man
We can never accuse him of being cheap with players like in AZ and Cincy
January 16th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
# J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
So the effin punter claimed Cable knew how to work with Al so that is one of the reasons he should’ve been kept.
LOL!
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I think Lechler said he knew how to shield the players from Al’s BS or something like that
January 16th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
321.J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
What is an Al Davis bootlicker?
Someone who doesn’t jump all over every Al Davis rumor that comes outta BSPN?
Al Davis has made plenty of mistakes. I’ve said that on more than one occasion.
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I’m with you man on the fact the media embellish a great deal about Al Davis which is why I have stuck up for him so many times and will continue to do so whenever it happens, but this not paying the coaches crap and always suing them is bs. I think Cable was a good guy and tried his best.
This is one of those cases I think where Al is wrong.
January 16th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
its not about right or wrong its about being amulti milloionare being cheap straight up
January 16th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Edwards wanted that TD BAD!!!!!!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Uh oh …
Golden boy not looking so good today against the Jets, lol!
January 16th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
GOOOO JETSSSS
January 16th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
revis is balling right now
January 16th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
teams were just fighting over themselves to hire cable as a HC. position coach @ best
January 16th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
cable will go to the eagles to reunite with his half brother andy reid
January 16th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Yep, Brady is missing, left, right, under and over
January 16th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
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v. boot·licked, boot·lick·ing, boot·licks
v.tr.
To behave toward in a servile or obsequious manner.
v.intr.
To behave in a servile or obsequious manner. See Synonyms at fawn1.
bootlicker n.
January 16th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Main Entry: brownnoser
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: sycophant, toady
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January 16th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
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January 16th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
kell you killn me w/that sh!t
January 16th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Kell, the list you post does have merit. If I was an owner I would look at how those top organizations run the team, and incoeporate the things they do well, while leaving off things that I beleive do not have merit.
as fo bootlicking, Nothing JHILL has ever posted would suggest to me that he is a Mr. Davis bootlicker.
January 16th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Bootlicker
Ass kisser, brown noser, that guy BDK from the SILIVE forums
BDK is always kissing Capt. Connoly’s ass, what a bootlicker!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Kell, the list you post does have merit. If I was an owner I would look at how those top organizations run the team, and incoeporate the things they do well, while leaving off things that I beleive do not have merit.
as fo bootlicking, Nothing JHILL has ever posted would suggest to me that he is a Mr. Davis bootlicker.
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I’m lashing out, of frustration.
January 16th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
it must be contagious
January 16th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
GO JETS!!!!
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Jets! Jets! Jets!!
I hate the Jets & Giants, but not as much as I hate the Pats, Brady, their owner, and BB!
January 16th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Kell, the list you post does have merit. If I was an owner I would look at how those top organizations run the team, and incoeporate the things they do well, while leaving off things that I beleive do not have merit.
as fo bootlicking, Nothing JHILL has ever posted would suggest to me that he is a Mr. Davis bootlicker.
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I’m lashing out, of frustration.
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As a passionate fan you have every right…
January 16th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Dr.Death Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
it must be contagious
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hahahahahahahaha….
January 16th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
speaking of passion looks like tha PATS aint dot no mo GO JETS
January 16th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
# J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
75,
An example of the type of owner you’d like to have?
Just curious.
….
Peter Holt – owner of the San Antonio Spurs
Jerry Buss – owner of the Lakers
Mark Cuban – owner of the Dallas Mavericks
John Mara (50%) and Steve Tisch (50%)- owners of the NY Football Giants
Robert Kraft
The Rooneys
Examples of the “type” of owner I am tired of…
Al Davis
Jerry Jones
Dan Snyder
January 16th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Dr.Death Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
speaking of passion looks like tha PATS aint dot no mo GO JETS
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Man is it just me or does the whole world hate tom brady….
January 16th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Seems to me that the teams with the best defense are winning these playoff games, not the one with the best QB.
January 16th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
ANY BODY THINK WE MOVE UP SOME HOW IN THE DRAFT THE 48TH PICK AINT LOOKING 2 PRETTY SURE HOPE SO
January 16th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Examples of the “type” of owner I am tired of…
Al Davis
Jerry Jones
Dan Snyder
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Gotcha.
January 16th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
ALL THE HATE STARTED AND WILL 4EVER B THRERE DUE 2 SEVERE RAIDER HATING ALLA TUCK RULE GO JETS BRADY JUST AN INNOCENT BISTANDARD THAT REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DREW BLEDSOE
January 16th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Death I dont know…I think we stand pat the way we are… only way I would move up is to get a franchise Qb…. will see what the “other forces” think…
January 16th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Dr.Death Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
ALL THE HATE STARTED AND WILL 4EVER B THRERE DUE 2 SEVERE RAIDER HATING ALLA TUCK RULE GO JETS BRADY JUST AN INNOCENT BISTANDARD THAT REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DREW BLEDSOE
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Oh yes iit is truly warranted by the NATION no doubt…But other most teams hate count chocula as well…
January 16th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Dr.Death Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
speaking of passion looks like tha PATS aint dot no mo GO JETS
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Man is it just me or does the whole world hate tom brady….
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Can’t speak for the whole world but I want his wife.
January 16th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
THEO WHO WE GET AT 48TH I SAY OT DEMARCUS LOVE
January 16th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
U AND ME BOTH ENGLAND
January 16th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
The only part I understood was Count Chocula (the cereal guy) but who is suppose to be him? Brady?
January 16th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Dr.Death Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
THEO WHO WE GET AT 48TH I SAY OT DEMARCUS LOVE
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Solid pick bruh, wouldnt mind him one bit….
That Farley kid from Auburn is going to be a manster…
He definetly wont be around come 48….Fixing the trenches and adding depth will go far….
January 16th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
IF HES NOT THERE MAY B WISINEWSKI SON FROM PENN ST HES PRETTY GOOD TALK ABOUT THE MATTHEWS BLOODLINE HOW ABOUT THE WISNEWSKI BLOOD LINE
January 16th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Plunketthead Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
The only part I understood was Count Chocula (the cereal guy) but who is suppose to be him? Brady?
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Yea, brady with his hair looks like a vampire…
January 16th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Time will tell if Al Davis knows what he’s doing with this team. I say next year in fact.
If he’s gonna fire Cable, and 8-8 is “unacceptable” to him, then I expect nothing less than 12-4 or 11-5 next season.
If Mr. Davis does that, then u have to give him props for knowing more than the naysaysers.
January 16th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Dr.Death Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
IF HES NOT THERE MAY B WISINEWSKI SON FROM PENN ST HES PRETTY GOOD TALK ABOUT THE MATTHEWS BLOODLINE HOW ABOUT THE WISNEWSKI BLOOD LINE
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Absolutely!!!
Al! If you wake up in time and you’re all done with petty bullsh!!t pick up son of Steve!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
REMBER THE WIZ HE WAS GREAT ISAY TAKE HIS SON
January 16th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
3RD ROUND MAY B C FROM USC KRIS O DOWD I DONT THINK SATELE IS FIT 4 US JUST ANOTHER TEAMS OUTCAST WHATS UP W/THAT WE ALWAYS GET OTHER TEAMS GARBAGE LOOK AT THE STEELERS THEY DRAFT AT LEAST 85% OF THERE TEAM AND NEVER HOLD ON 2 AN UNPRODUCTIVE PLAYER LONGER THAN 2-3 YEARS YET WE STILL HAVE SAM WILLAMS ON THE ROSTER 6-7 YEARS LATER THYIS NEXT GENERATION LEAUGE IS YOUNG NOT CASTOFFS FROM OTHER TEAMS ITS THE DRAFT FREE AGENCY NOT AS A WHOLE BUT AS YOUR PRIMARY COURSE OF UPGRADING JUST AINT GONNA CUT IT
January 16th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
We got a game!
January 16th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Kris O’Dowd = Jake Grove
He’ll be good when he’s healthy, but it won’t be often.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Jontrain, one question.
Do you not realize that Hue was allowed to install whatever offense he wanted, while every DC we’ve had here keeps getting stuck running Al’s D philosophy?
Tell me you see the huge difference in that.
Top 10 pass D.
The run D falls on Al’s lap for not allowing zone, which is what every top-10 run defense plays.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
I think Count Chokula wants to throw his WR to the wolves
January 16th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Jets doing a great job of mixing up man and zone, giving Tom different looks.
Since we’ll never be allowed to do that, better get a top flight QB.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
wow, they just let Wilfork shove a QB off a pile like that…no penalty?
January 16th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Jets doing a great job of screwing up.
Is Rex coaching the D? or ST?
January 16th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Alex,
I see what you’re saying about not being able to handle the Jets next year.
Heck if Tom Brady and Peyton Manning can’t get it done????
Hope we bring a defense to the table!
January 16th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Alex
Sanchez was away from the pile when he jumped on the pile and started pushing. That was why Vince shoved him
January 16th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Branch is costing NE this game, dropped his last two….
January 16th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Jets and pats both look average today. It will be a GB – Pitt superbowl… I think GB might just win it all.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Loverboy is not helping matters. Seems like his game is off a little.
I think father time is catching up to Brady and Peyton
January 16th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Weird, why the rush for the FG there?
Even if you kick it with 2:03 left, the next kickoff or onside stops the clock afterwards anyway at 2 minutes.
Not really saving time.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Revis aint all that. he’s given up a few today. he’s good but he aint no Nmandi… imo
January 16th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
They best get with Bretts doctor.
He must be on top of the latest and best stuff
January 16th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
No Mas, Jinks came to play, did a good job of dismantling them, sorry to say for the Pats, out-coached…
January 16th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Nnamdi kinda gives up a few also when he plays legit teams.
He and crew gave up 400 yards to Chargers first meeting this year. Nnamdi got toasted by Moss two years ago, and Miles Austin also. Nnamdi gets a few PIs each year as well.
I’d say they’re about even.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Wow! That was a good kick
Jets got lucky and that is probaly the game
Rex should give a great PC
January 16th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Cant see either team getting by Pittsburg. i think both terams wre so focused on each other that they are done for.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
i am so disinterested in every team left in the playoffs….
January 16th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Jets and pats both look average today. It will be a GB – Pitt superbowl… I think GB might just win it all.
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My long term betting plans called for a GB V. NE Superbowl…..just so I could put a big asss bet on GB.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Jets D is better than Ravens, and their offenses are very similar. Should be a close game.
Whatever though, just make sure you bet the under on that game
January 16th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
NE needs a Heidi finish, Al, send them the play book…
January 16th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
I hate both of these teams. cant they both lose?
January 16th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
England,
didn’t the Steelers look downright bad for half the day yesterday?
Not sure how limiting Brady to 14 points, and putting up 24 with a weak QB on the road is average.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
welker has foot in mouth disease
January 16th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Jets d did play well. will give them that. but the drops by the patriots did them in.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Hope that is the end of the Brady era. ESPN must be livid. this is not what they wanted to see as far an outcome. someone’s head is going to roll…
January 16th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
If brady could scramble he could have kept a few drives alive. The guy goes down easier than a five dollar hooker on friday night.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
jets won because they did not let espn tell they should lose.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
The Patriots had very little talent, No Mas.
A slot receiver is your top one.
No-name undrafted RBs.
Bunch of mid-round young kids in the D’s back 7.
They’re actually up-and-coming, and with today’s QB protection rules, Brady will be around for many more years.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
jets cannot beat the squealers. chicago cannot beat the packers.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
God props!
January 16th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
and the Seahawks CANNOT beat the Saints, right?
January 16th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Lets trade dhb and lechler to the pats for our draft pick back
January 16th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Way to go Jets! The only way I could be happier right now is if that had been my beloved Raiders humiliating the Cheatriots. Buckeye! You there?… Woot!
January 16th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Don’t be crazy! DHB was taken in the 8 spot! Patriots have like our 17th pick! They need to give us their 1st AND 3rd for DHB only.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Anything can happen alex but I really think that this was the Jets super bowl. they shot their wad and were exposed as a predictable offensive team. They ran the run / dink / dunk to perfection tho. props to them.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
questionable calls by bellicheat today.
January 16th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
retire the hoody…
January 16th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
rex ryan was right. he only has to be better for one game.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
can the jets win 3 in a row on the road against hof qb`s.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Greg Biekert new Raiders Head coach
January 16th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
They shut down NE to 3 first half points, and stalled them in a 7 1/2 minute drive in the forth, and that’s coming off of Indy last week, somethings going on here, be surprised…..
January 16th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
The Pats are out and now I don’t care who wins! Because it’s not going to be those lying cheating bastages!
January 16th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
I like M Zimmer & Marinelli for DC if available. I also like M Sigletary and Perry.
Saunders & McDaniels for OC!
I’m not 100% sold on Hue, but he will have a good staff that can help.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
10.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Al Davis fighting over 120K, when if he would just back his coach and maybe get a home playoff game, he would probably stand to earn at least 10 times that amount if not way more.
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Yes, the egotistical, cheap, SOB trying to screw another Head Coach over. Please go away, Mr. Davis. You are a bum.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
I want my 2011 season tickets for FREE, cheapskate Al!
January 16th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Hire Biekert as LBs coach.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Jets over the Packers in the Super Bowl. I love the way the Jets boldly called out Belichick and Brady. They made them look like fools. Ryan totally outcoached Belichick and Sanchez totally outplayed Brady. Nice to see the New Yorkers shove it to the New Englanders!
January 16th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
please al tell me you watch the jets beat brady with some man and zone mix.that`s brady and manning in back to back weeks.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Only one person is still ‘alive’ with the Super Bowl list.
Midwest Fan – Steelers vs Packers
Who tipped when all 12 playoff teams were alive.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Beach, here on the East coast, we would like “ONE” nationally televised game. Must of been the 2000 computer glitch thingy.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Time to take a stand against Al Davis, Raider fans. Pay Cable his money, or we will hold out next season! You like losing money, you old fool?
January 16th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
GG, thanks for keeping that going, a tip of the Raider cap to you!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
The NFL is a business. I understand that as well as anybody!
January 16th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
hire someone from baltimore as D.C.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Patriots problem: too much Woodhead, Not enough Moss
January 16th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
420.860Todd Christensen Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Beach, here on the East coast, we would like “ONE” nationally televised game. Must of been the 2000 computer glitch thingy.
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You might get that. I’m just tired of the “games” that our “extremely cheap” owner plays. He is greedy to the core!
January 16th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
McDermott DC candidate?
January 16th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
421.beach Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Time to take a stand against Al Davis, Raider fans. Pay Cable his money, or we will hold out next season! You like losing money, you old fool?
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yes lets take a stand.give cable his money for breakin the rules,that the nfl found him guilty of and took away the raiders ota`s.we want cheaters!!!!!!!!to get paid.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
We should keep Hue, and add Marinelli.
Hue as HC and Marinelli as DC, or Marinelli as HC and Hue as OC. I also like M Zimmer.
Hue, Marinelli, or Zimmer for HC. I think that’s the best we can do with Al as GM.
I also like Saunders, McDaniels, Singletary, or Perry as coordinators.
Make it happen Al.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
I like S McDermott too as a coordinator.
January 16th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Man! Have you read the Steve Corkran story?!
Cable talking on the record about Al forcing him to play players he didn’t want to play and dictating.
Talk about the sh!t hitting the fan!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
England,
I didn’t.Post the link please.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
cable did not want to play jason campbell or mike mitchel.he also wanted to cut mitchel,but cut brown instead.brown was added to the practice squad later.cable challenged the owner and lost normally i would side with the coach over davis but i believe cable was wrong on this one.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
England,
I didn’t.Post the link please.
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It’s on this page O.
“Midway through the season, Cable told Bay Area News Group that people “would be stunned if they knew what I’m being forced (by Davis) to do out here.”
January 16th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
England,
LOL
I just got done reading it.
F The Fat Monkey!!!!
Stick it to him Al!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
I’m glad Al did what he did!
-Cut MM?!?! Our 2nd RD pick after ONE season?!?!? F Cable!!!!
-Start Garbagekowski over JC?!?!?! F the Fat Monkey!!!
Damn you Fat Monkey!!!!!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
O, I think the story has just begun.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
What the f—-would we want Ryan back for anyway? He sucks.
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