Raiders aren’t looking so stable any more
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, January 16th, 2011 at 6:12 pm in Oakland Raiders.
So here’s the Raiders’ postseason scorecard:
– Dismissed coach Tom Cable despite a lot of support in the locker room.
– Embarked on a coaching “search” which is expected to name offensive coordinator Hue Jackson as the new coach within the next few days.
– Saw Pro Bowl cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha eligible to join the ranks of unrestricted free agency by failing to reach a number of likely to be reached incentives.
– Had a story become public courtesy of ESPN that owner Al Davis fined Cable $120,000 over a 12-week period (most coaches are paid every other week) while the coach was leading the Raiders to their first season in seven years that didn’t result in 11 or more losses.
There was no specific reason given for the fines, although the ESPN story said Davis was upset over losing two days of organized team activities last June because their practices were judged to be too intense for offseason workouts.
(Beat writer Steve Corkran supplies some background in this Bay Area News Group story on the Cable-Davis dynamic)
Just when it seemed the franchise associated with disfunction was stabilizing and becoming functional, the Raiders are again looked upon as a franchise adrift.
Davis has apparently cut off communications with his last two coaches, men who took polar opposite approaches.
Lane Kiffin wanted no part of Raiders tradition, put his issues with Davis in the media, did everything he could to get fired and eventually accomplished his goal. He was fired “with cause” with Davis using an overhead projector as a prop.
Cable embraced everything about the Raiders, from on-field philosophy, to traditional rivalries, and even managed to do what Norv Turner, Art Shell and Kiffin could not _ put a competitive product on the field _ one that was downright dominant within the AFC West.
The Raiders declined to pick up the option on his contract, something Cable certainly knew would be the case considering his paychecks had been $20,000 light every other week.
Cable has kept a low profile and has not been available for comment.
His agent, Don Yee, said in an e-mail, “The league will process the matter accordingly.”
Within the next few days, Jackson is expected to be named head coach, probably at a press conference similar to eight others that have taken place over the last 16 seasons since the Raiders returned to Oakland.
Jackson will be full of enthusiasm and optimism, citing the team colors and tradition. Davis, hopefully, will be on hand to promise better days ahead and give his own unique spin.
All that will be left will be for Jackson to hold on to his job and his money as Davis attempts to navigate the Raiders back into prominence at age 81 through an uncharted maze of labor unrest, mass free agency and declining revenues.
And to think things were looking up after that 31-10 win over the Chiefs.
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January 16th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
dang, such high hopes after the season ended too =(
January 16th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
To me this is not that big a deal.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Damn the Fat Monkey!!!!
He wanted to cut MM!!!!?????
He wanted to start Garbagekowski over JC!!!????!!!
Damn you Fat Monkey!!!!
I hope Al sticks it to you!!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Yup it is official. If Hue Jackson does not work out the Raiders will stink for as long as Al Davis is alive. Though I would never wish for him to pass over a game.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
‘Sup fellas.
As Vegas so eloquently put it, that 31-10 beat down at Arrowhead seems like a lifetime ago.
What a sad, sordid mess.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
He wanted to cut our 2nd RD pick from last year after playing ONE season. His rookie season!!!!!!!
Damn You Cable!!!!!!!
He wanted to start Garbagekowski??!?!!!! What an idiot!!!!
He deserves to be fired, and I hope Al sticks it to him!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
I can’t wait for Cable to expose just how much Al meddles in everything.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
wanted to play grads over j.c.than went out and lost too miami.if your going to cross the boss why continue to play that defense.had`nt talk to al since training camp and the best you could do was 8-8.YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
So, who here wants to start a fund so we can buy the team?
January 16th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I’m a fan of 35+ years. And, I’m here to tell you, it’s OVER again. I will stick with the team (because, well, see my handle) but I know that the door that ad a chance to open wide is now being closed tight because of the old man.
I actually like Al Davis and know that when he passes on, the legit eulogies will be written and the due respect will be given. But the big picture is one thing, and the last 10 years are another.
The Raiders had a chance to be something in the next 2 years. They won’t now. Maybe in 3 or 4. What a shame.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
THIS DUMMIE SAID HE AND AL HAS`NT TALKED SINCE TRAING CAMP AND YOU GIVE US 8-8.LOST TO S.F.,ARI,MIA,JAC.
I AM NOT WITH CABLE ON THIS ONE.
P.S. LOST 35-3 TO PITT AFTER A BYE.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
If we sign our key free agents we’ll be fine. Things are not bleak, our future is very bright with the young talent we have. Hue will maintain continuity.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
As a long time Al Davis loyalist I have to say:
Al, you’re screwing yourself and have been for 7-8 years.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Damn the Fat Monkey!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Cable,
You suck You fat Bastard!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
i said over and over cable settled for 8-8 with a 11 or 12 win team.dumb just dumb.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
We should have won atleast 10 games, and now we ALL know who to blame!
Damn you Cable!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
He wanted to cut MM and start Garbagekowski?! That dude needs to be slapped!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
if you are going to go rugue change the defense you idiot not the QB.you are helping your self talking i just keep thinking 8-8 .
January 16th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Jeeeeze!
What kind of an owner doesn’t talk to his head coach from training camp?!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Stick it to him Al!!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Long time listener, first time caller…
RETIRE AL!
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January 16th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
How did I miss Shanchez. He beat NE. He’s good.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
You people are never happy!
Who doesn’t talk to the HC?
Who keeps talking to their HC?
You can’t please everyone!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
I hope they go ahead and name Hue the HC in the next day or so. Maybe this mess can start to stabilize.
I actually liked what I read about Jackson in the training camp. An energetic, vocal presence on the practice field who challenged and needled the defensive players. I think the guy has a chance to be a decent HC.
No matter what some of you guys think of Cable as a HC, Al needs to pay the man. It just makes him look petty and vindictive. Makes the organization look classless. It’s not just Cable, either. Four of the last five head coaches have had to battle AD over their money. C’mon.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
man to man 99% of the time and al is not making you.i also read where cable and hue was not getting along,that cable was mad about a 4th down pass with the back up QB in the game.mad about one play when the defense gives up 38 pts. and your worried about one play.CABLE YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
No matter what some of you guys think of Cable as a HC, Al needs to pay the man. It just makes him look petty and vindictive. Makes the organization look classless. It’s not just Cable, either. Four of the last five head coaches have had to battle AD over their money. C’mon.
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Aint that the truth! And the fifth coach that got paid was Art Shell.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Al,
Don’t pay the Fat Monkey!! Stick it to him.
Cable should pay us for destroying our season!!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Al reaps the seeds of his own bitterness, over and over and over again. Hopefully Hue can play savior.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
bigblack, Hue sucked out loud against the colts with his terrible play calling. Cable is no genius by any means, and maybe 8-8 is as far as he could take us, but hue called a few questionable games, and throwing with Kyle Boller in that game is far from the biggest mistake in my opinion. As for the defense, blame al davis vanilla 1970’s formula.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6NNGVHrqho
January 16th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
25.buckeyeraider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
I hope they go ahead and name Hue the HC in the next day or so. Maybe this mess can start to stabilize.
I actually liked what I read about Jackson in the training camp. An energetic, vocal presence on the practice field who challenged and needled the defensive players. I think the guy has a chance to be a decent HC.
No matter what some of you guys think of Cable as a HC, Al needs to pay the man. It just makes him look petty and vindictive. Makes the organization look classless. It’s not just Cable, either. Four of the last five head coaches have had to battle AD over their money. C’mon.
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if al fined him when it happend i have no problem with.you broke rules you pay.if players get fined by the coach for being late than coaches can get paid.
but he should of fine cable for that defense.man to man more than anybody in the league is not good.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Hue better check his contract real close.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
I once asked a former player still in the NFL why the Raiders do not blitz much. His answer, AL WON’T LET US. And man to man is mandated by Mr. davis himself.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Bring back JaMarcus as GM. Playoffs = Purple Drank for everyone!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
I remember after the philly game last year, John Marshall was saying that he knew he would be in trouble for his blitzing game plan, but it was worth it, cause the Raiders won.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
There you go! Purple Drank for everyone!
Come to think of it, if Al didn’t talk to Cable all the way from training camp then how did he tell Cable who to play and what to play?
Herrera must have been carrying a lot of notes back and forth. No wonder he was never available.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
primussuxxx Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
I remember after the philly game last year, John Marshall was saying that he knew he would be in trouble for his blitzing game plan, but it was worth it, cause the Raiders won.
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Aso also said that Marshall would be in trouble.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
There wasn’t much improvement on Defense this season, and that was with one of the top offenses’s in the NFL giving them plenty of rest.
Hue was the difference, he deserves to be HC.
The thing that bothers me though is that it seemed Hue didn’t need to be promoted to be retained. He didin’t get much interest from other teams, and it’s not like Al would be offering that much more money…
Ultimately though if the team could only keep one, I’d take Hue every time!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
30.primussuxxx Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
bigblack, Hue sucked out loud against the colts with his terrible play calling. Cable is no genius by any means, and maybe 8-8 is as far as he could take us, but hue called a few questionable games, and throwing with Kyle Boller in that game is far from the biggest mistake in my opinion. As for the defense, blame al davis vanilla 1970’s formula.
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cable told the media that him and al have not spoken since traning camp.if he is going to go against the owner on the QB ,don`t stop there.change the defense .but no this dummie cost this team the miami game.plan and simple.dumb dumb dumb.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
i was the best coach this team ever had!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
this team blitz more this season than any i could remember.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
true that. The miami game plan was horrible.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Am I the only one who remembers that Campbell, earlier in the season, didn’t have a grasp of the play book? He didn’t have enough time with this org. and have a good grasp of it. Cabes was right to start Grads, and when Grads went down with injury, everyone in here screamed bloody murder about Campbell’s inability to lead this team. The O-line sucked, period, and a Raider QB’s life at the position was measured in quarters. Yes this team progressed, gelled as the season went on, but we did leave some wins on the field. Blame the team, they played poorly, wasn’t coaching. Fact!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
And Marshall got fired. I actually think he would have been gone anyways, but that defense marshall had on the field when jennings got that long TD sealed his fate. 5 safeties? really?
January 16th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Undestand some people don’t like cable 2-8 outside of division lost games we should have won but we went 8-8. The season had a lot of ups compared to last eight yr’s all the momentum this team has needed, a coach players really liked and A.D screwed it all up plain and simple.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
How does that old joke go?
Masterbation is all very well but in the end you’re just screwing yourself.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Dirt nap for Al!
January 16th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
This is Just sad…how is all going to go after 120,000 when every damn player on the team makes more than that…( i mean sh1t, Hall, Moss, Jamarcus, were paid how much??? and produced what?)
I do think Nnamdi will sign with the Raiders as well as Seymour and that will stabilize things, but this is all pending Hue is signed and we have a nice coaching staff around him…
but if Al fuks this up, this might be the worst. esp coming off of an 8-8 year
January 16th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Most football teams are temperamental. That’s 90% temper and 10% mental
January 16th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
i am not a al davis fan but i also am not a cable.if you go rugue go all the way.i hope hue paid attention to that.bring in some baltimore coaches and change things up on defense.gruden bucked al but won.cable can`t go 8-8 and think he is safe.
January 16th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Hard to explain the world that Al Davis lives in with the latest news about Cable. Has there ever been an NFL icon more well known for his enemies and grudges than his friends and accomplishments. Lets see: Pete Rozelle, Ken Stabler, Marcus Allen, Van McElroy, Mike Shanahan, Rich Gannon, Lane Kiffin, and now Tom Cable. And the list goes on… On the flip side: 3 Super Bowls which should have been 4 or more if he only would have set aside his ego for yet another adversary in his own mind, Jon Gruden. Sadly, things will only change in Raider Nation until he eventually loses to his greatest opponent, Mother Nature. And somewhere, Wayne Valley will be smiling.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
dbaz09 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Hard to explain the world that Al Davis lives in with the latest news about Cable. Has there ever been an NFL icon more well known for his enemies and grudges than his friends and accomplishments. Lets see: Pete Rozelle, Ken Stabler, Marcus Allen, Van McElroy, Mike Shanahan, Rich Gannon, Lane Kiffin, and now Tom Cable. And the list goes on… On the flip side: 3 Super Bowls which should have been 4 or more if he only would have set aside his ego for yet another adversary in his own mind, Jon Gruden. Sadly, things will only change in Raider Nation until he eventually loses to his greatest opponent, Mother Nature. And somewhere, Wayne Valley will be smiling.
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LOL!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
44.860Todd Christensen Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Am I the only one who remembers that Campbell, earlier in the season, didn’t have a grasp of the play book? He didn’t have enough time with this org. and have a good grasp of it. Cabes was right to start Grads, and when Grads went down with injury, everyone in here screamed bloody murder about Campbell’s inability to lead this team. The O-line sucked, period, and a Raider QB’s life at the position was measured in quarters. Yes this team progressed, gelled as the season went on, but we did leave some wins on the field. Blame the team, they played poorly, wasn’t coaching. Fact!
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it`s coaching when you have safeties on the field
and best corner on the bench.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
thats 5 safety`s.that`s coaching..
p.s. what is it when you lose 35-3 after the bye week.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Now theh entire Gradkowski crap makes sense to me he was doing it to spite the owner. The Bush thing makes sense as well and the Bruce Campbell thing makes sense.
He thought he knew more and didn’t want to work with the owner he did a lot of crap while making it seem he and the owner were of an accord. We suffered CC at RG for spiteful reasons. He never was a fan of Michael Bush and it seems the same was true about Bruce Campbell.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
The one thing in common with all 4 teams left in the playoffs??
Great pass rush and D-line. It’s the next wave of football, besides the QB driven aspect of it.
Atlanta, Baltimore, New England. Teams that may have been 1-2-3 in consideration for best O-line in football, and they all got manhandled.
Meanwhile the Bears, with easily the worst O-line in football (led the league in sacks, false starts and negative rushes so it is not even up for debate) is one game from the Super Bowl. And the Steelers and Packers O-line issue has been a thorn in their side for awhile as well.
Get a QB, and keep bringing in D-lineman, and these hybrid OLB Kamerion Wembley, James Harrison, Clay Matthews pass rusher types.
Bears went 5-11 last year, had no first round pick, and basically just added Julius Peppers and a healthy Urlacher. May be the recipe for a Super Bowl, lol.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
blah blah blah blah blah.
When we get Shanchez we will have a legit QB. I will bring the Raidah greatness back. Shanchez is the real deal. I got a coach on the cheap, gonna bring the Raidah greatnes to LA, mean Oakland, yeah, Oakland.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Wow that was a breath of stanky hot, foul smelling air.
Yeah I had the same d@mn feeling quite frankly. 2010 was the best year the Raiders and the long suffering NATION had since 2002 and it was f#$%inG detonated. Only Crazy Al Davis owns and is not afraid to employ such a “smart” bomb like the old Defender video game of my youth. Bam!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
the raiders went 8-8 inspite of cable and next year we fans will relize that.just remember k.c. was 2-14 the year cable took over as coach and won the division but cable and raiders fans settled for 8-8.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Don’t have as big of issue with releasing Cable as the fines.
I mean 120K?? That’s so petty!!!
If Al could have spun it a little better and maybe sold an extra 300 season tickets he would make his 120K back easily.
Is this supposed to help his bottom line, slapping fines on his HC, giving the fans an unprecendated level of non-insight on the team?
No way to run a business, and football is a business.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
50.phatcable Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Most football teams are temperamental. That’s 90% temper and 10% mental
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Raidahs 40% mental, 75% temperless-mental, 99% Al Dysfunctionalavis, 18% over the edge, 70% talent, 60% coaching, 99% Al Davis, 100% Al Davis. The Raidah greatness is on the horizon.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
57.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
The one thing in common with all 4 teams left in the playoffs??
Great pass rush and D-line. It’s the next wave of football, besides the QB driven aspect of it.
Atlanta, Baltimore, New England. Teams that may have been 1-2-3 in consideration for best O-line in football, and they all got manhandled.
Meanwhile the Bears, with easily the worst O-line in football (led the league in sacks, false starts and negative rushes so it is not even up for debate) is one game from the Super Bowl. And the Steelers and Packers O-line issue has been a thorn in their side for awhile as well.
Get a QB, and keep bringing in D-lineman, and these hybrid OLB Kamerion Wembley, James Harrison, Clay Matthews pass rusher types.
Bears went 5-11 last year, had no first round pick, and basically just added Julius Peppers and a healthy Urlacher. May be the recipe for a Super Bowl, lol.
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no were happy with 8-8.because of the last 8 years.
we should be in the playoffs.
damn!damn! damn!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
24.Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
You people are never happy!
Who doesn’t talk to the HC?
Who keeps talking to their HC?
You can’t please everyone!
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Oooh. Nice catch.
Which is it? I thought the big problem was that Al Davis meddles in EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME?
Now, he’ll get ripped for NOT not talking to the coach and NOT BEING INVOLVED ENOUGH.
I can’t wait for the book to come out either. Maybe then we’ll find out the truth of what REALLY goes on in Alameda head quarters.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
al will not name a new coach till after the superbowl its his way of telling the new coach i will buy the groceries and you cook the dinner!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
60.bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
the raiders went 8-8 inspite of cable and next year we fans will relize that.just remember k.c. was 2-14 the year cable took over as coach and won the division but cable and raiders fans settled for 8-8.
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I think with us it was different in the sense alot of us thought we would NEVER be competitive again.
Not alot of folks in here are all that happy with the 8-8, it’s just so much better than what we’ve been used to.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Did anybody catch Phil Simms comment today? He said when the Jets switch up and try to play zone.. they’re just not very good at it. I think it was late 3rd, early 4th qtr.
I just kinda chuckled and thought..hmmm, sounds like some other team I know.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
NO ONE is happy with 8-8, we were HOPEFUL about heading in the right direction, a person who was willing to coach under COA and had the team starting to create an identity. The handling of the QB, the playcalling, and the inconsistent D….not so much.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
DJ 8-8 is garbage with a team like we have, IMO we’re every bit as talkented as the NYJ’s the difference is coaching. We had a guy with no vision who talked a good game if not for Hujack we don’t crack 6 wins. I’m sure of that now. A more energetic and knowledgable coach gets us another 2 wins easy.
That fool screwed arouns with the players and things trying to defy the owner that he forgot the most important thing was winning. He listened to fans in the stands and the media instead of what he saw in practice. I really liked the guy and thought he had our best interest at heart only to find out he had his own agenda at heart.
When you don’t play Michael Bush and sit CC at the first real opportunity I started second guessing him. I think Canpbell was ready by midseason but he didn’t want to play him. Screwed around with Veldheer at C rather than LT where he should’ve been day1.
He fashioned himself as a great XandO man on offensive football and you saw what that got us. He also said if Ruissell wasn’t his QB that team would be in the playoffs well he got his man and a better QB than his man and we got nothing for it.
Truth is he served his purpose and that was to get uis past the Kiffin crap and now that we are it was time to move on and that much is painfully obvious.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
I’m just glad Mr Davis set this up right before the eventuality. It’s very clear he was going to name Hujack the HC now. He got him oriented to the team so that the players would feel comfortable when it happened. Now their getting a known factor and I love the Saunders proposed hire I have been a fan of his for many years. Now if we can get a young great DC like a young Raheem Morris or a young Rex Ryan. Somaone fiery like Hujack to run this defense.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
OK. So let me get this. That story is basically saying that Davis made Cable absorb the fine imposed by the league. That doesn’t seem to illogical afterall he is the HC responsible for OTAs and the intensity thereof.
Secondly, the report also suggest Cable wanted Grads over Campbell. While early on that may have seemed like the right thing to do, I think as the season progressed we all saw that that was exactly the WRONG thing to do.
So I agree with O and suspect he also really wanted MM34 cut. Again, awful decision!
At least for ONCE, Davis was right to push back and force the issue here. If Cable had his way we would have been much worse off than 8-8.
More so than telling me anything about Al, this really shows how bad Cable is as a decision maker. Sure Al intervened but for at least this time he was right to do so. Cable wanted to override the better players on this team.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
agree we have the talent ..and 8-8 and we played the nfc west stinks..
January 16th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
I was right!
I said Cable was an idiot, and he was! Period!
Stick it to him Al!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
I would love someone Like Winston Moss and get Bill Romonowski as a LB coach.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Alrighty…..here we go w/Alzheimer’s AL and his stanky stuff……entitled, “Revolving Coaches” (Please sing to the melody of “Green Acres” TV show.)
AL’s folly is for all to see,
Oakland Raiders is the team for me,
Coaches spreading out so far and wide,
Keep hiring and firing, just give me those days gone by.
Coach upon coach is what I’d rather do,
Dementia and inconsistency is the cardinal rule,
AL just adores paying coaches half the price,
Dah-Ling I love you, but AL’s fantasy is not-so-nice.
Vertical attack, 1969
Man to man, mighty fine,
Revolving Coaches, aint so cool…..
AL knows best, nobody’s fool….
You are AL’s life,
Cable’s gone, now Jackson’s his wife,
Oakland Raiders We Are There!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
66.djohnnyg Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
60.bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
the raiders went 8-8 inspite of cable and next year we fans will relize that.just remember k.c. was 2-14 the year cable took over as coach and won the division but cable and raiders fans settled for 8-8.
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I think with us it was different in the sense alot of us thought we would NEVER be competitive again.
Not alot of folks in here are all that happy with the 8-8, it’s just so much better than what we’ve been used to.
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and that`s why k.c. won the division.i think cable had that attitude.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
K…..sooo…here we go…”Ode to Alzheimers AL” (please sing this to the melody of the Beverly Hillbillies’ theme song):
Come ‘n listen to my story ’bout Alzheimers AL
A shadow of himself, at the moon he would howl,
And then one day, dreamin of days gone by
Purple Drank appeared causing AL to sigh,
JaDumbarse, that is, black gold, BamaBoy…
Well, the first thing you know, AL’s 2 and 14
Nother seasons gone by, AL still has a dream,
Told ole Lance Californy is a place you ought’nt be
So Lance loaded up the truck and moved to Tennessee
Hollywood..vertical attack, man-on-man, 1969…..
So AL’s still thinkin its 1969,
With a vertical attack everything’ll be fine
And Big AL know alls he gotta do, grab a Plunkett incarnate name of Campbell boo…
After 6 long quarters Campbells a slug,
ALs frothin at the mouth while Cable pulls the plug,
Overhead projectors burnin a hole, better turn AL out fore he has em all on the dole.
Well, now it’s time to say goodbye to AL and all his kin,
AL would like to thank you folks for kindly droppin’ in
Insanity and alzheimers, superbowls and gin.
You’re all invited back again to this locality
To have a heapin’ helpin’ of AL’s hospitality
Dementia, that is, set a spell, take your shoes off
Y’all come back now, hear?
January 16th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
The entire Cal Bears staff will be welcomed soon as the new Oakland Raidah coaching staff, bringing the Raidahs back to greatness. Book it!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
I blame Al too! That old bastard hired Cable! That was a huge mistake!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
T’pin and Raider O I couldn’t agree more we would’ve lost MM34 who IMO is a classic SS and ready to start at either position if need be. Why he didn’t want to play Campbell over CC is alarming to me. It was almost as bad as the QB carousel.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
this is going to get so juicy…..leak it Cable….leak it…
———-Midway through the season, Cable told Bay Area News Group that people “would be stunned if they knew what I’m being forced (by Davis) to do out here.”
When told that people probably had a fair idea, Cable snapped: “(People) have no idea. It’s going to come out soon, though.” He added that he had not spoken with Davis since training camp, three months earlier.
Cable didn’t go into details at the time, but he intimated that he was being forced by Davis to play players he didn’t want to use and carry players on the 53-man roster that he didn’t want on the team.———————–
Let me guess: Sam Williams was one of those guys TC didnt want on his roster.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Al is the GM, and other than hiring and keeping Cable, he did his job. He got us enough talent to compete for the AFC west, he added an OC that improved our offense to top 8 in scoring, but what did Cable do? Why do you blame Al for last season?
I blame Cable, Marshall, Lal, and Rolle.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Cable was hired not to make mistakes, and don’t nobody forget that. I can make all the mistakes I want, but my coaches can’t. Fans pay me, I pay the coaches, then I take their money back, players too. I have spoken.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
I hired the talent, Cable got it out of them, made them play hard. That is why I pay the cheap.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
cable sucks!!!!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
The biggest mistake was Kiffin, Cable was to get away fom Kiffin without to much shakeup. But he hired Hue reealizing Cable was in way over his head. He took a circuitous route to rid himself of all that Kiffin crap. The team was too young and would’ve fractured if he hires someone they didn’t know and the same is true this time. He just had to get this done the best way he knew how. With out losing key players. If he hires someone else he would’ve lost Nnamdi and Lechler.
It seems to me he used the continuity thing as a smkoe screen to get what he really wanted. That is to get back to his roots. Al Saunders IMO is a stablizing force for Hujack he is someone Hue will respect and lean on.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Cable:
1- started Garbagekowski over JC.
2- wanted to cut our 2nd RD pick after his rookie season.
3- didn’t play B Campbell!!
4- started Fargas over Bush when DMC was injured last season.
5- played Veldheer at C.
6- Activates 9 LBs, 5 Ss, and 3 CBs!!!!!
He is an idiot!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Cable was allowed to make mistakes for 2.5 seasons. He had his chance!
January 16th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
cable sucks.8-8 is not good enough.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
this is going to get so juicy…..leak it Cable….leak it…
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AIG-How ya doin?
Bring on the carnival. We’re just a few jugglers short of a real circus. Man I wish things were in place so we can get excited about next year. Hope we can pick up from where we left off. We’ll have to wait til the draft. I expect a good one.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Cable was nothing but a time-out/challenge caller.Useless Jackson ran the offense and Davis/Marshall ran the defense,yet everything that went wrong was Cable’s fault.What a bunch of idiotic sheep.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
52.dbaz09 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Hard to explain the world that Al Davis lives in with the latest news about Cable. Has there ever been an NFL icon more well known for his enemies and grudges than his friends and accomplishments. Lets see: Pete Rozelle, Ken Stabler, Marcus Allen, Van McElroy, Mike Shanahan, Rich Gannon, Lane Kiffin, and now Tom Cable. And the list goes on… On the flip side: 3 Super Bowls which should have been 4 or more if he only would have set aside his ego for yet another adversary in his own mind, Jon Gruden. Sadly, things will only change in Raider Nation until he eventually loses to his greatest opponent, Mother Nature. And somewhere, Wayne Valley will be smiling.
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dont forget to add Howie Long in there too. He had a little rift with Howie that not many people knew about. There was an incident at a restaurant where all the Raiders showed up including Howie’s family and Al Davis made Howie pick up the tab for his family….then there’s this….
from Dr. Z of SI… Not exactly a draft question, but Steve of Naperville, Ill., read that if Chris Long might have wound up a Raider, it would have angered his dad, Howie. Why? This is deep, and very little of it has come out. To put it in its simplest form, Al Davis said at one time that he felt that Howie retired a few years too early. The problem is that Howie’s body was pretty well shot when he packed it in, and he always resented that statement. Even now, he’s looking at extensive corrective surgery to get his shoulder right, his back, and God knows what else. Why is it so bad? Because he spent a whole career facing the meat grinder. He played left end, the power side, in the base defense, and he’d drop down inside at other times. Not once did he ever get to put on a wide rush from the open side, as Greg Townsend did. Howie, coming off the edge at RDE, would have raised all kinds of hell, but he never got the chance to find out.
January 16th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Mike Mitchell is the player he didn’t want on the team. Let me say this I wouldn’t give Tom freakin Cable word one of the say who stays on this team not word one. Once I draft them if I’m Al Davis I decide Tom Cable hasn’t biult a team in his life and wouldn’t know how. He would have ZERO control of the 53 man roster if I was GM…………..period
He better be glad he’s HC and shut the hell up…………..period
January 16th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Cable deserves his money he had the locker room under control and tried to prepare this team for a winning season…. Al better hope next seasons raiders make the post season or he will lose alot more fans, but on the flip side, if we make the post season alot of us will just accredit it to Al davis’ football intellect…. Wouldn’t that be great for a change
January 16th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
DRH,
when all is said and done, I’m still a Raider whether Al sinks the ship or make it sail. We have no choice once it is in our blood. Al is like the pet alligator…sometimes it’ll eat you if you’re not careful.
I’m actually pretty excited about the potential of Al Saunders being our OC. He used Priest Holmes pretty good at KC and can do the same for DMAC. Hopefully he gets to call plays too. Not a big fan of Hue Jack calling plays due to his inconsistent use of DMAC as evident by some of our losses.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
91.lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Cable was nothing but a time-out/challenge caller.Useless Jackson ran the offense and Davis/Marshall ran the defense,yet everything that went wrong was Cable’s fault.What a bunch of idiotic sheep.
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so what did cable run?
January 16th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Man, that article shed more light on how bad Cable was than anything else. And I bet Cable’s intent with leaking this information was to make himself look like Cinderella with the glass slippers!
You’re right Priest ..he didn’t want to suit up Bruce Campbell either. Man-o-man, this guy was off the charts bad.
Grads over Campbell for far too long, wanted to cut MM34 preseason, won’t suit Bruce Campbell and who knows what was going on with Veldheer …man-o-man
January 16th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
AIG-You are a number cruching, researching, fact-finding, data-mining bookworm. Take no prisoners. Keep up the good work.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
DRH,
when all is said and done, I’m still a Raider whether Al sinks the ship or make it sail. We have no choice once it is in our blood. Al is like the pet alligator…sometimes it’ll eat you if you’re not careful.
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Once the ‘Raider’ gets under your skin, it don’t let go.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Thanks DRH. JFB is much better at it than me when it comes to numbers but I try. Just keeping them honest bro…. as they like to say at Faux News.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
100.aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Thanks DRH. JFB is much better at it than me when it comes to numbers but I try. Just keeping them honest bro…. as they like to say at Faux News.
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Right on..
January 16th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Lefty,
You are just mad cause you are always wrong.
You wanted Canle to stay.
We are right and you are wrong! Get over it!
January 16th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
DRH,
You can’t get rid of it man. Sooooo Trueeee!
January 16th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
priesttj Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Mike Mitchell is the player he didn’t want on the team. Let me say this I wouldn’t give Tom freakin Cable word one of the say who stays on this team not word one. Once I draft them if I’m Al Davis I decide Tom Cable hasn’t biult a team in his life and wouldn’t know how. He would have ZERO control of the 53 man roster if I was GM…………..period
He better be glad he’s HC and shut the hell up…………..period
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I must say, that makes logical sense.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Cable never let the Oline settle in during his tenure it got better when we started to go to the drive power blocking system. If we get better on the Oline next year it’ll be further evidence of meddling with that unit. All the casteoffs like Pears and Harris and so on and so on. He’d rather have a casteoff than a legit player sometimes. He cut some very good Olinemen for guys like Carlisle.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Wow, even Jerry sounds a little negative.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Davis made Cable absorb the fine imposed by the league. Thats how I read the article and this makes logical sense given Cable was the HC in charge of OTA practices and their intensity. Tell me why this wouldn’t make sense?
January 16th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
91.lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Cable was nothing but a time-out/challenge caller.Useless Jackson ran the offense and Davis/Marshall ran the defense,yet everything that went wrong was Cable’s fault.What a bunch of idiotic sheep.
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too funny man. Cable took over a team that was fresh off being the worst in the league 1.5 year earlier and made them 8-8 2.5 years later. But hell, Hue Jack proclaimed he owned the offense but it’s TC’s faults anyways when we dont score or can’t make adjustments.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
# M Lonetree Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
KiffinRaider,
seems to bug you quite a bit that an “accomplished nothing” is to be the Raiders HC. Previous “accomplished nothings” like Madden and Flores and Gruden went to championship games with the Silver and Black.
Or is it that HueJack isn’t as melanin-challenged as you would like?
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Your racism accusation is baseless and not worthy of a response.
Gruden came in after a 4-12 year. So a change needed to be made.
John Madden took over because John Rauch left. Rauch wasn’t thrown out to make way for Madden. Rauch left, Al asked the assistants who wanted to take his place, and Madden stepped up.
Tom Flores was given the job after Madden retired. Again, Madden wasn’t thrown out for Flores.
Tom Cable was thrown out for Hue Jackson, despite seeing a significant improvement in his final year, taking the Raiders to what he correctly noted as not being “losers anymore”.
The only reason to fire a head coach that takes you from 5-11 to 8-8 is to replace him with a prominent name. Because it’s true that 8-8 is nothing to brag about. But again, you’ve got to replace him with someone big. You don’t throw out a HC that brings that much improvement, just to put in another unaccomplished no-name. Just poor management. And you can accuse people who aren’t on board of being racists all you want to. Just remember that I’m the one who believes that Al Davis is behind in his trail blazing for racial equality. Jerry Buss passed has taken over that honor by making a former black player a co-owner. Al only seems to want former black players as coaches. Doesn’t seem to trust them with managerial duties in the front office. And you’re calling his critics racists?
January 16th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Lefty12 I’ll allow you to call me a sheep if you tell me exactly what you think he was responsible for?
Did he engineer the QB changes or not did he deny Campbell on the field or not in your opinion? Was he against the power system or not?? Who had the choice of allowing Bush on the field Cabl;e or Hue??
Everyone kn ows he was a proponent of Gradkowski do you deny that?
January 16th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
make sense?
108.aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
91.lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Cable was nothing but a time-out/challenge caller.Useless Jackson ran the offense and Davis/Marshall ran the defense,yet everything that went wrong was Cable’s fault.What a bunch of idiotic sheep.
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too funny man. Cable took over a team that was fresh off being the worst in the league 1.5 year earlier and made them 8-8 2.5 years later. But hell, Hue Jack proclaimed he owned the offense but it’s TC’s faults anyways when we dont score or can’t make adjustments
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wrong wrong wrong.k.c. was the worst at 2-14.now they won the division.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
The point is clueless one all season everyone loved to say how Jackson ran the offense-Cable had no say.Everyone knows the Raiders run the defense Davis prefers and it is the same defense Marshall runs.All season everyone loved to say Cable had NO SAY IN THE RUNNING OF THE TEAM.Yet after the season people all blamed,and still do,Cable for the team not making the play-offs,which by the way,NOBODY EXPECTED BEFORE THE START OF THE SEASON.Why don’t any of you blame Jackson for us losing games we should have won but lost due to his terrible play calling?Why isn’t Jackson blamed for the QB shuffling when HE ALONE RAN THE offense?You guys are hypocritical and pick and choose what you want to believe and what facts you choose to accept.BTW,your hero Jackson came out and said the QB flip-flopping was HIS DECISION-but that is another thing you choose to ignore since it doesn’t support what you want to be the truth.IDIOTIC SHEEP.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
A few things have been rumored/reported here and there is a right and wrong to everything. Lets go through them:
Rumor 1. Davis made Cable absorb the league imposed fine for the OTA practices. Davis 1, Cable 0
Rumor 2. Cable wanted to cut MM34 in favor of Brown I believe. Bad decision. Davis put the kabosh on that. Davis 2, Cable 0
Rumor 3. Cable wanted Grads over Campbell. Initially this was correct but overtime proved to be wrong-headed. Davis 3, Cable 0
Rumor 4. Davis was upset Cable would not suit Bruce Campbell. I think this was a terrible decision as well. Davis 4, Cable 0
If all of these rumors are true Cable’s decisions made against Davis have been awful! Just terrible. Man, I’m glad he didn’t get his way on them all or we would be 6-10 or something.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
I’ll give Cable all he credit innthe world for the 8-8 record, all I’m saying is he held them to 8-8 they should’ve been 10-6 and won the division. So to me he held them back.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
please quit blaming me or al for the 8-8 record its you worthless fans who did not come out and support me or the team ,two sellouts in two years and you guys blame me.i ought too biotch slap you guys like i did randy hanson.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
O,you have never been correct about anything Raiders so I don’t give a rats a$$ what you think or say.You are nothing but a desert monkey.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Cable said in an interview that benching Campbell was his decision to make that came out of his MOUTH Lefty12 not Hujacks Cable’s. He also said that HE decides who plays it is his call. this was all in a monday afternoon presser.
HIS words NOT ours……….
January 16th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
dbaz I remeber all the others, but what dispute did AL have with Mr. Van McElroy
January 16th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Bigblackdeath,,
True KC did win the div after 2-14. How many 2-14 teams you know that won their division the following year in the past 10 yrs? KC got lucky and they actually have a legit starting QB as compared to the Raiders QB situation.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Lefty – I agree that Jackson has made some boneheaded decisions with certain playcalling. I also see how much more productive this offense has become given his presense. I can accept errors here and there if the production overall is going to be this good!
Now Jackson came out and said he decided to go with Grads in Tenn I believe. I agreed with the decision then but I’m not so sre it was his call to go with Grads during other times. I don’t recall him taking absolute responsiblity for those decision then. He just said we have to do whatever it takes to win. Something along those lines.
Anyway. Hue and Saunders equal a huge upgrade over Cable
January 16th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
listen when i was coaching i needed too buy the groceries not just cook the dinner!!
January 16th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
# M Lonetree Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
KiffinRaider,
Oh yeah, forgot to list Rauch and Shell as other “accomplished nothings” who took the Raiders to championship games.
You can crawl back into your hole now.
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Speaking of holes, you’re only digging yours deeper by bringing up Rauch and Shell.
Rauch became coach when Davis left to, I believe, become AFL commissioner. Whatever the reason was for Davis leaving, he was not fired or exiled in any way as head coach. He left on his own terms to work with the AFL.
Now, you may finally have made some sense by bringing up Shell, but of course you also stick your foot in your mouth at the same time, and I’ll point out why. First off, yes, Davis got rid of Shannahan prematurely to take a gamble on a Raider family member, Art Shell. And, the Raiders did succeed in Shell’s first tenure. That’s the first valid example you’ve given so far, because in all of the other instances, coaches were not fired to make way for lesser coaches. But what is this thing about going to “championships”? Surely you don’t mean the Super Bowl, because the Raiders haven’t won one since 1983. Do you mean conference championship? While that’s a notable achievement in some right…maybe someone needs to take your glass of kool aid and replace it with a splash of cold water, and remind you that the goal is a Super Bowl. And guess what, Shell never got us there. Shannahan, who was fired to make way for Shell, won 2 Super Bowls, and flat out owned the Raiders for most of his coaching career. So, it’s indisputable as to who’s a better coach between Shannahan and Shell.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
OMFG,
effin AD rolled out Hue Jack to proclaim it was his idea to bench JC and wanted to bench him in the first game of the season. You’re rewriting history almost as good as Banghdad Bob for Saddam Hussein.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
To my fellow RAIDERS,
We have seen this for far too long. I believe it is safe to say that what I am about to say resides in the minds of many members of THE RAIDER NATION.
Mr. Davis,
You have long been the face of the RAIDERS wearing it’s silver and black with passion and pride, your long lived dedication and commitment to this organization has driven the SILVER & BLACK to 3 Super Bowls and as RAIDERS fans we are proud to have three titles when some teams have none. Your impact will be remembered on the AFL-NFL will be remembered for ages and your contributions to this league are incredible. As you would know the RAIDER NATION is a family and Mr. Davis we know you love your family and we know that you would do your best for the family. So this is what the family thinks you should do!
RETIRE, HIRE A GM WHO IS HAS NFL KNOWLEDGE. THEN SELL YOUR FAMILY TO SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE ARE NO MORE EX CONVICTS IN THE LEAGUE AND THAT PETE ROZELLE IS NOT THE COMMISSIONER. WERE IN 2011 HE AL, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. THE STEELERS AND PATRIOTS ARE WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS UP THE WAZOUUU AND WE AINT WINNING F*#$ ALL. WHAT HAPPENED TO “JUST WIN BABY.” DO YOU LIKE LOOKING LIKE A GM THAT RUNS A HIGH SCHOOL VOLLEYBALL TEAM. PUT YOUR EGO ASIDE AND DO WHATS RIGHT FOR THE FAMILY. CAUSE TO BE HONEST WERE SICK AND TIRED OF LOSING AND LOOKING LIKE PEE-WEE PLAYERS AGAINST GROWN MEN. AND WERE TIRED OF READING THE NEWS AND HEARING THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ORGANIZATIONAL DYSFUNCTION. YOUR NO LONGER A MAVERICK AND YOU CANT DO THIS YOUR WAY ANYMORE. IM FROM CANADA AND WHEN I GOT INTO FOOTBALL I KNEW I WANTED TO BE A RAIDERS FAN. THOSE COLOURS, THAT RAIDER MYSTIQUE, A TEAM THAT WAS ONCE A MODEL FRANCHISE IS NOW A JOKE. WAKE UP AL
January 16th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Terrapin,you are throwing sh!t out that has no merit.There is no proof that any of those RUMORS you suggest were true,except the QB switching,which BTW,your hero Jackson said was HIS IDEA.But just report rumors and ignore facts you don’t want to hear.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
priesttj Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Cable said in an interview that benching Campbell was his decision to make that came out of his MOUTH Lefty12 not Hujacks Cable’s. He also said that HE decides who plays it is his call. this was all in a monday afternoon presser.
HIS words NOT ours……….
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But Jackson came out Thursday backing Cable saying it was his call. It was kinda strange. Some say Hue was just presenting a united front to the media. Who knows who’s decision it was. But reports coming out are indicating it was Cable that continued the backing of Grads.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Terrapin,you are throwing sh!t out that has no merit.There is no proof that any of those RUMORS you suggest were true,except the QB switching,which BTW,your hero Jackson said was HIS IDEA.But just report rumors and ignore facts you don’t want to hear.
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What are you talking about? I said these were all rumored.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Cable is gone , and he didnt get 1 interview with any other teams for a HC job. the Raiders improved because cheerleader Tom was no longer involved in calling offensive plays. i lmao when i read how cable being fired has set this franchise back. The OL was a weakness which was soley his responsibility. Cable mismanged everything he touched, challenges, time outs,QB situation,and of course the OL. He couldnt get this team over the hump and in reality our 8-8 record was poor considering the soft schedule. Cable’s performance was not worthy of a 2yr extension and Al made the right move.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Lefty12 I genuinely liked Cable exept for a few bad fundamental decisions he made I believe firmly that HE was a Gradkowski guy and wanted himin there at the first opportunity. He benched his starter after 6qrtrs 6 QUARTERS who does that??? and what is the explanation for it??
Just try and justify Bruce Campbell NEVER touching the field the entire season. Explain Veldheer at CENTER instead of his NATURAL position. There is no way to justify that stuff and I said BEFORE he was fired that if it happened that those points would be central to the action. He did some fundamentally stupid stuff. Things any coach would get fired for if they didn’t win.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
al will ignore the free agent market ,use the draft only ,you will lose some veterans,you will have new coaches,and this time next year you will be crying for me too come back!
January 16th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
And, Jerry, well said. The Raiders don’t look stable anymore. Here they were finishing off their best season since 2002, and now they look as bad as they’ve looked at any point during the past 8 year skid, except in the eyes of these mentally challenged kool aid drinkers. In everyone else’s eyes, Al Davis took a great season and turned it into what might as well have been another free fall with a 4-12 finish. Make no mistake, there is a 4-12 feel around Alameda right now, amongst the players as well. Ask Lechler. And this man is the only player on this team who remembers a time when the Raiders were a playoff team. He knows the difference between a winning Raider organization and a losing one, and he can see the difference from a mile away. We know where he stands. But let these kool aid drinkers tell it, man, we’re on the top tier of this league! And of course, they know more than an accomplished pro bowler like Lechler. I mean, they’re loyal fans! And with that comes a high I.Q. and remarkable insight. Right? Anyone?
January 16th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Rumors came out about MM34 being cut, Davis being upset over Cable not playing Bruce Campbell, Davis “forcing” Campbell on Cable ….turns out this stuff is looking rather true based on reports coming out now and Cables own words
January 16th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
nycraiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Cable is gone , and he didnt get 1 interview with any other teams for a HC job.
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Jackson was only interviewed by SF, and we can see how seriously they wanted him, by how quick they snapped up Harbaugh. Plus it’s highly possible that SF only interviewed Jackson to satisfy the Rooney rule without having to fly anyone in.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
But you choose to believe those RUMORS because they support your anti Cable stance.You even say IF they were true we are lucky we weren’t 6-10.I choose to believe that because of Cable we weren’t 6-10 as we have been for the last 7 years when things were done only the Davis way.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
So, Hue Jackson is unwanted, too.
Cable – unwanted by other teams
Jackson- unwanted by other teams (niners likely only interviewed him to satisfy Rooney rule…no other interest in Jackson)
Cable – has seen an NFL team improve from season to season on his watch as HC
Jackson – No experience to go on.
We downgraded. There’s no way around it. You don’t downgrade at the HC position when you team has improved from the cellar to one game out of the playoffs.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
I still can’t believe there was even a dispute between Mr. Brown and 34mm, when Mr. Figurs was still on the squad, Raiders’ first time touching the football Yamon fumbles, just like he did for other teams and ours in the preseason.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Nobody should be crying for Cable to come back, only that Al should have made Gruden, Cowher, or someone of that caliber an offer they couldn’t refuse, guaranteeing them control in writing, and making it worth their while financially. And Al shoulnd’t have fired Cable until he had one of them secured. Al is just a joke. He’s the worst owner in all of sports. Stupid doesn’t even describe him. Demented doesn’t even describe him. Born to lose? That about fits.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
“Cable didn’t get one interview….”-there are no openings-every team but the Raiders has a HC.But if you look around the league there are a lot of assistants who have been ex-HCs.saying “he hasn’t been interviewed” is pretty childish and ignorant for that matter-teams are always looking for the next young genius.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
137.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Nobody should be crying for Cable to come back, only that Al should have made Gruden, Cowher, or someone of that caliber an offer they couldn’t refuse, guaranteeing them control in writing, and making it worth their while financially. And Al shoulnd’t have fired Cable until he had one of them secured. Al is just a joke. He’s the worst owner in all of sports. Stupid doesn’t even describe him. Demented doesn’t even describe him. Born to lose? That about fits.
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You seem to be easing up on Al lately. You must be in a good mood.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Yamon Figurs was a Hue Jack pet project from the Ravens days. Dude sucked!
January 16th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Cable’s major problem with the O-Line is that he was always trying to make each lineman be a multi-positional player instead of excelling at one position.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
And, Jerry, well said. The Raiders don’t look stable anymore. Here they were finishing off their best season since 2002, and now they look as bad as they’ve looked at any point during the past 8 year skid, except in the eyes of these mentally challenged kool aid drinkers. In everyone else’s eyes, Al Davis took a great season and turned it into what might as well have been another free fall with a 4-12 finish. Make no mistake, there is a 4-12 feel around Alameda right now, amongst the players as well. Ask Lechler
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glad you think 8-8 is a great season against a weak schedule..lmao..I also give a lot of credibility to a punter who speaks his mind..Cable did not deserve another 2 years and Hue jackson accomplished more in 1 year as a OC than cable did as a HC in 21/2 years..
January 16th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
I don’t know Lefty. I don’t know how you can believe that if these RUMORS are even close to being true. IF they are true (which it seems as though they are coming from Cable himself and Cockran’s piece suggested a lot and left little by way out doubt piecing things together); but if they are true it would mean that if Cable actually had his way we would be worse off. Not better.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
i have too say al davis is a genius for hiring me as coach,al is a genius for letting lance kiffin go,al is a genius for letting gruden go,amy trask is a genius for selecting jacoby ford,herrera is a genius for getting me a strawberry shake with my cheeseburg!
January 16th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
RMR Al is not hte owner of the Dolphins, even he doesn’t hire coaches until he has fired one.
He puts out feelers at all times for coaches and players all owners and GMs do.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
I never said 8-8 was a great season. If you have to put words into someone’s mouth to refute their argument, then it could only mean your side is pretty stupid, so I won’t bother reading the rest of your comment.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
for all we know, Al hired …
January 16th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
I don’t know what you mean by saying Al isn’t owner of the Dolphins, Raiderretribution. Care to explain? I don’t think I once said he’s owner of the dolphins, did I?
January 16th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Lefty12 my good friend neither of us wanted to change coaches I understand your frustration. But it is clear to me when we beat KC the way we did that this was a much better team than I thought. We beta them without Nnamdi and Seymour. This team should still be playing football IMO. I firmly believe they could beta the Jets as well as the Steelers if coached right. IMO the Raiders with Bush and DMC and the speed outside is as talented as any in this league.
We went 8-8, EIGHTandEIGHT, that IMO STINKS If he didn’t mess with the QB position in the begining we don’t go 1-3 to start the season. We do’t lose to SF and Miami and the cards because we’re a much more confident team by then. But we had a coach who listened to the crowd and changed the QB for teh season. because that’s who he wanted to begin with. As a result the entire team suffered……….period
January 16th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
And that’s right …Almost no one expected to be above .500. I even expected a .500 season BEFORE the season started.
But an expectation is just that, an expectation without seeing the team in real action!
When I saw them play and the season progressed; I was like damn …these boys are really talented. Then they end the season by absoluting killing the Chiefs and that was all I need to see to know that Cable would be fired. This team was so much more talented than that record. They should have taken the division and been in the playoffs.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Al is a joke and he has turned our team into a joke. Hue actually wants to work for that dust farting demented old man? I guess he will do his 2 seasons and move on to a real organization, can’t really blame him. He will lose free agents and have a real tough time signing any. Al has lost the players confidence.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
al already wrote a book called pinheads and patriots,the pinheads are all the coaches he fired exceot me,and the patriots are where he sent his best players.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Lefty,
No me likes an Angry Minkey who used insults. Try to be an adult Monkey you POS!
January 16th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Lefty12 If this change nets us Hue as HC and Al Saunders as OC I’ll take that change in a heartbeat. Al is someone Campbell is very familiar with. This change is all predicated on making Campbell as good as he can get as fast as they can.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
123.aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
effin AD rolled out Hue Jack to proclaim it was his idea to bench JC and wanted to bench him in the first game of the season. You’re rewriting history almost as good as Banghdad Bob for Saddam Hussein.
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Keepin ‘em honest. Keep up the good work!
January 16th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Everyone who Bill O Reilly ever referred to as being a “pinhead” should be honored. It only means they did something that would benefit the least privileged in the long term, said something in their support, or criticized someone or a group that harms them. Those are the people Fox News targets.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
priesttj Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Lefty12 If this change nets us Hue as HC and Al Saunders as OC I’ll take that change in a heartbeat. Al is someone Campbell is very familiar with. This change is all predicated on making Campbell as good as he can get as fast as they can.
…………………..al saunders do they call him colonel and he makes delicous chicken?
January 16th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Terrapin-I don’t believe most RUMORS.In truth nobody knows what happens with the Raiders.Over the years it has been shown most rumors are just that rumors.The media constantly fuels those rumors because they don’t have a clue as to what is actually happening.My point is all year EVERYONE reported that CABLE had no say running the offense.Jackson had total control.Some even said he dictated the blocking scheme we used.Yet the same people who gave Jackson all the credit for the offenses success put all the blame on Cable for every deficiency on the team.That is ludicrous-you can’t have no say about things yet be totally responsible for only the shortcomings.
January 16th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Lefty = angry monkey who is always wrong!
Bad Angry Monkey!!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Raider O, what’s your problem with monkeys? Your ancestors were monkeys.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
cable was 5-4 in a tie for fist place on a bye week.than got blown out by pittsburgh and lost the division by 2 games to a team you beat twice and went 6-0 in division play.you suck cable!!!!!!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Cable didn’t call the plays against the whiners.Cable didn’t call the plays against Miami.Cable didn’t call the plays against Indy-and the main reason we lost those games was the play-calling.Cable wasn’t Lombardi,but Jackson isn’t either and contrary to what many seem to believe,he hasn’t shown he will ever be Lombardi.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
As I was saying, Cable got fired, Marshall too, and now it’s time to fire Lal and Rolle.
-OC: Saunders, McDaniels, or keep hue and hire a HC.
-DC: I like Zimmer and Marinelli (if available), S McDermott, D Perry, or M Singletary.
HC: Hue or Marinelli.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Mr. Davis has done his best work as an owner when he has had a trusted football head working with him (Ron Wolf and Bruce Allen come to mind). Maybe they were able to keep his knee jerking from jerking so badly. More likely they simply modulated some of his more rash actions. Mr. Davis has been an innovator and has brought a vast knowledge of football to the Raiders, but sometimes it is just good to have another football mind off which to bounce ideas. Unfortunatley, things do seem to be getting a bit cockeyed again.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
You don’t want Cable back,fine,but don’t sit here and try and tell me how great Jackson is-it doesn’t fly.You have no proof he will be better than what we had.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
I was at the Raider/Niner game asking the friend I went with the whole time, why don’t the Raiders have any plays other than long pass plays and runs? Don’t they have one play with cross patterns? One play with a running back in the flat?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Hue Jackson and Al Saunders would be cool on the offensive side of the ball.
My question is this…
Is Waufle ready to be a DC?
He has coached DL for 30 years.
Why has no other team ever considered him for DC?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
I was telling my dad today while watching the Pats get worked…Al Davis is yet to build a team. He’s never done it. Ron Wolf goes to Green Bay and is in the Super Bowl within a few years, while Al Davis can’t get the Raiders off the ground in the ’90s. Al was a good owner in the ’70s in that the hired the right people and let them do their thing.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
8-8 is not good enough.and if anybody cares 21 of the 53 players on the current team was on the 08 team cable first (after 4 games)with the raiders.only 7 was on the 05 team,3 on the 03 team.this players have not been losing for 8 years like us fans.when they tied k.c. for the division cable should have raised the bar.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Raider O, what’s your problem with monkeys? Your ancestors were monkeys.
…………….what did the bannana say too the monkey? nothing bannanas cant talk!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
I like Monkeys, but they should stay in the wild or at the zoo.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
This coming from the guy who said DMAC was a skinny legged 3rd down back that goes down to easy. Proclaimed J Russell would win us 3 SB’s. A Shields the next Jerry Rice, and last but not least and my personal favorite “Nick Miller the DB Killer”.
tj, thank god you have no control over the roster as well.
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priesttj Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Mike Mitchell is the player he didn’t want on the team. Let me say this I wouldn’t give Tom freakin Cable word one of the say who stays on this team not word one. Once I draft them if I’m Al Davis I decide Tom Cable hasn’t biult a team in his life and wouldn’t know how. He would have ZERO control of the 53 man roster if I was GM…………..period
He better be glad he’s HC and shut the hell up…………..period
January 16th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
True Lefty12 playcalling had a huge hand in those loses and Hue has to ttake blame for those and I think he did in some ways. I think Cable was not a Hujack fan at all for obvious reasons he knew he was there to take his place. Hue though didn’t know the talent the way Cable did and wasn’t as in tune with it the wya Cable was. It was Cable’s responsibility to help him be successful I think he allowed him to sink or swim in some instances.
Thus the Saunders hiring, Al is a terrific playcaller inthe mold of Norv Turner and Mike Shanahan. Hue at times got way to cute and others to stagnant. Al Saunders is the consumate OC who knows he’s not a HC and I hope Hue allows him his expertise and leans on him. Because he will make that offense fiercesome.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
RMR,
Why do you hate Al so much? Did he F your ancestor?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
“The CBA specifies that no pads are worn from the end of the season to training camp, and contact drills are prohibited. A team will lose a week of OTAs for a first violation, and the head coach can be fined. If a second violation is discovered within a calendar year, the team could lose the fourth-round pick.”
Al Davis is just exercising his rights under the existing CBA. I think Cable got too overconfident because he knew a lot of the players had his back. However, he should have known not to cross the boss.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Whoa, whoa now Lefty. Both Indy and Miami scored over 30pts! Surely you’re not pinning that on the offense?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
If tj had his way J Russell would have led us to a 3-13 season while swigging purple drank @ half time. N Miller & DHB would be the starting WR’s, and DMAC would be inactive.
Pinhead…
January 16th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Could this really be the first time that an owner or GM has exercised their right to fine the head coach for OTA violations? I doubt it. The media loves to jump on the Raiders.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
You don’t want Cable back,fine,but don’t sit here and try and tell me how great Jackson is-it doesn’t fly.You have no proof he will be better than what we had.
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No proof as a HC, no. But we do have proof that he is a much better OC than Cable.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Thats a start
January 16th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Why has no other team ever considered him for DC?
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From what I’ve heard, he just loves being a line coach.
Some guys don’t want to be coordinators or head coaches. Some guys just enjoy coaching up their specific units and doing what they do best. Nothing wrong with that.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Raiders simply need to all stay a team. . add some new faces and i think we will be good. . a new defense coordinator could be good or fatal. . depends on who we hire. as for al davis i think he is kinda seperating the team a bit. Raiders need to be solid for next years season because we have the Packers, Bears and the Patriots, Jets division next season!!!!!!! thats gonna be tough!!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
tj,
How many SB’s does Saunders have? Where was he coaching last year? You fk’ing nimrod. Here you go already licking the boots of a potential new OC.
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# priesttj Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Thus the Saunders hiring, Al is a terrific playcaller inthe mold of Norv Turner and Mike Shanahan. Hue at times got way to cute and others to stagnant. Al Saunders is the consumate OC who knows he’s not a HC and I hope Hue allows him his expertise and leans on him. Because he will make that offense fiercesome.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
# Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
I like Monkeys, but they should stay in the wild or at the zoo.
……….
They are.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
# Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
RMR,
Why do you hate Al so much? Did he F your ancestor?
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I don’t hate Al. I just think he’s a horrible owner. Why are you so defensive of him?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
lol
January 16th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
# theprofessor Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
The media loves to jump on the Raiders.
……..
Assuming that’s even true, why do you think that is?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Terrapin,if your strength is running the ball and controlling the clock-esentially keeping the ball out of the other teams hands-then you can put some of the blame for the opponents being able to score in the 30s on the OC for not doing that.Look at todays Jets/NE game.The Jets kept the NE high powered offense off the field for most of the game,thus limiting their ability to score big numbers.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Waufle should stay a DL coach. He is great.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
tj Im sure you meant fearsome not “fiercesome”, unless you have some new language you are starting up. You will throw Saunders under the bus 6 weeks into next season if he does land the job. Thats your yearly game plan right? Talk up every draft pick and every new coaching hire as if its the next V Lombardi or lick the boots of a clown like DHB and then throw them under the bus when they make a fool of you.
lol
January 16th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Tom Brady turns in third straight playoff disappointment
For a player with a reputation for being great in the clutch, Tom Brady sure has gone a long time without a good playoff game.
The New England Patriots’ stunning 28-21 loss to the New York Jets today makes Brady 0-3 in his last three games as a playoff starter. He hasn’t been on the winning side in the postseason in three years, and he hasn’t played well in defeat in any of the three losses since then.
Brady will probably be traded in the off-season too the raiders.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
I don’t know man. I get what you are saying, but 30pts is a lot of pts to be giving up. Not many teams can win when 30pts in put up on the boards. Just sayin’.
And if I remember that Indy game correctly we were trying to run it and kept trying (maybe too much to the outside) but they stopped us cold. Problem was we coudn’t stop them on offense which pushed us out of our running game because we were down by a wide margin (again giving up 30pts is a lot of pts).
Miami was a defensive disaster also.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
I can see low 20s but 30s …man you’re in a very low winning percentage giving up that many pts
January 16th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I hope GB smashes Chi and then takes a piss on NY or Pitts. Roger’s winning a SB will further put Favre out of the minds of Packer fans and in the shadows where he belongs. Favre should never sniff the HOF. A slap into the face of the 9ers for not drafting Rogers over Smith and letting that coach go to GB.
Go GB!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Tom Brady’s Kurt Russell “best of times” look didn’t scare the Jets. He knew the AFC East was more blue collar now so he wanted to look tougher.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Chi beats Green Bay. Green Bay’s too west coast-ish and good defenses always stifle WCO teams.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
And Green Bay’s spotty on defense. They were saying Green Bay needs to “tackle better” before today’s game. Where have we heard that before? It’s the NFL. When they say a team “can’t tackle”, it means they’re a pass defense that can’t play the run. Expect Chicago to play stout defense and pound it down Green Bay’s throat on offense.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Cutler will throw 2 or 3 pics and GB will smash.
Rogers will be league MVP and Favre can go F himself.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
GB at Bears will be a great game.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Wait a minute. Miami was Gradkowski’s disaster for a performance. 2INTs ..playing injured ..that game was on that turd.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Steelers over Chicago in SB.
I’d love to see the Jets do it but they’re not the best team in the AFC. The Steelers are. Frankly, I don’t think the Jets are even better than New England, they just came out and punched them in the mouth today. Nobody’s going into New England AND Pittsburgh in January in this league today and winning back to back. Next year could be the Jets year.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
tj?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
MB, you and every other girl in the country in love with Rogers are going to be very upset next week.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
what 1 team had a better draft than the raiders this year..who gets credit for that ?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
BILL ROMANOWSKI FOR HEAD COACH!!!!!!!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Romanowski’s too stupid. He’s good at smashing heads and playing color commentary. Anything else is a bit out of his skill range.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
510
I said last year Romo should be a coach for us. Not as HC but I think he would be excellent LB coach. They hired Biekert so that is out the window.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
raiders510 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
BILL ROMANOWSKI FOR HEAD COACH!!!!!!!!!!!
-rumor has it he already went too walmart bought a red flag!
January 16th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
tj,
Thank you for shutting your piehole and leaving.
Sincerely,
Mista
January 16th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Terrapin-that is where the disagreement is.How can Cable be blamed when Jackson ran the offense and had total say over it?Jackson wanted BG at QB just as much as Cable.Jackson got the offense prepared during the week.When it was obvious BG was still injured why didn’t Jackson tell the HC the QB shouldn’t be playing because he was still injured?He(Jackson) is the one who worked with the offense every day at every practice.The HC doesn’t spent all his working hours with any unit.It is the responsibility of his assistants to tell him if a player shouldn’t go.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
why does bellichek stick his red flag in his sock,never heard of pockets?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Lefty its the trainers & doctors who say who is ready to play and who isn’t ready not the OC you bleeping moron!
Go sit in the corner with your lover tj and face the wall.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
I don’t know if you can say that Lefty. Clearly Cable had say over who plays and who doesn’t. He didn’t suit Bruce Campbell all year. And he directed where Veldheer would play. I don’t think these were Hue calls.
And Cable also made clear during the beginning of the season when Grads went out with injury that Grads was still teh starter despite how well Campbell was playing. He kept to it.
I take it for face value, given Hue’s assertion, that Hue approved of Campbells benching the first time. But thereafter, I cannot say for sure it was Hue’s call. Cable sounded pretty firm with Grads as the starter.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
tj the terrapin, quit dissin on cable. he was my main man for awhile. I’m good with him dumpin purple drank, but be easy on my ex.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Adults are talking brown-STFU,teabagger.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Oh the left wing libtard “teabagger” dis.
lmao
January 16th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
I’m bringing back the Raidahs.
I’m Al Davis and I approve this message.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Maybe he sat Campbell because he wasn’t ready and with only being able to suit a certain number of players others had to be active for depth purposes.Were you going to not suit Loper or Barnes just so Campbell could be active?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
In agree with sentiment that the raiders botched the 2010 season.
Cable bet on gradkowski and lost. jason Campbell proved to be the best QB on the Roster.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Lefty,
Those old ladies waving flags & folks wanting less govt are such a threat to you moron libtards, why is that?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
MB, lots of prominent Republican talking heads starting to scale back their rhetoric after last Saturday’s assassination attempt. Guess you guys are starting to realize now that this isn’t a game. It’s a real world that we’re all living in. Craziness and threatening behavior won’t be tolerated.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
I’m a wrecking ball, and only I can throw Cable under the bus. He’s my ex now, so go easy on him. Feel for the man, cause I’m a shrk toothed wrecking ball and my ex was my main man.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
MB, who wants less government? Almost all of those lardass tea baggers are drawing from medicare.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Rome wasn’t built in a day, but it burned pretty quick, like my Raidahs.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
I’m all for less government. Let’s start by letting the roads to where all of the tea baggers live go unmaintained until weeds grow out of them.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
And I find Cable’s statements very peculiar. They sound as if he knew he was out the door. Boy did he put up a front in front of the media and the fans. “…Its going to come out soon though…” ????? WTF is that about?
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Midway through the season, Cable told Bay Area News Group that people “would be stunned if they knew what I’m being forced (by Davis) to do out here.”
When told that people probably had a fair idea, Cable snapped: “(People) have no idea. It’s going to come out soon, though.” He added that he had not spoken with Davis since training camp, three months earlier.
Cable didn’t go into details at the time, but he intimated that he was being forced by Davis to play players he didn’t want to use and carry players on the 53-man roster that he didn’t want on the team.
Bay Area News Group reported around that time that Cable was pressured into starting quarterback Jason Campbell, even though Cable made it clear for several weeks that Bruce Gradkowski was the unquestioned starter. Cable denied that Davis played a hand in Cable’s waffling on the quarterback situation.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
While left wing libtards were politicizing something that wasn’t even political, and a 9 year old girl was having her casket built.
You are a despicable bunch you libtards.
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
MB, lots of prominent Republican talking heads starting to scale back their rhetoric after last Saturday’s assassination attempt
January 16th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
# theprofessor Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
The media loves to jump on the Raiders.
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Assuming that’s even true, why do you think that is?
1) Because the Raiders rarely refute any media claims
2) Because the media hates on any organization that is closed to them
3) The Raiders are probably the most private of all NFL teams. Case in point: The media doesn’t even know who Al has interviewed for the HC job.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Terripan I think you covered it spot on.
Hue probably had his prefernces, but Cable’s contract gave him contol over who suits up/ starts.
Al Davis has/ always had control over 53 man roster.
Hue was probably wise enough to stay out of Cable’s way and just back his play because he would be speaking out of turn otherwise and in jeapordy of burning bridges.
January 16th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
I wonder how Al’s going to screw Hue?
January 16th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Wasn’t even political? Yeh, right. That’s why he targeted a Democratic congresswoman. You can keep your head in the sand all you want to, MB. Your Republican cronies are getting the message that their numbers up. Republicans are now choosing sides between the loony right and the sane, sensible Republicans. It’s about time.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
so then, professor, why are you complaining? If the Raiders purposely close themselves off to the media, do you expect anything less of the media than to retaliate? What world are you living in?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Lefty, don’t get me started (mainly bec I can’t remember the names for each game, lol) on Cables decisions to suit and not suit players. I didn’t get those decisions, esp when it came down to corners (if I remember correctly). We were suiting max 3 corners every game even one of our corners was not 100%
January 16th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
I couldn’t care less what happens to Hue I dont even care for him as a OC. Hue is a big boy. He knows the history. He knew it before he arrived, he knew it when he observed it up close and personal, he knows it going forward. So when the day comes he has nobody to blame but himself.
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# phatcable Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
I wonder how Al’s going to screw Hue?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Burning bridges where?Supposedly he was already promised the HC job.Why should he have worried about Cable when he already knew he was going to replace him?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
230.phatcable Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
I wonder how Al’s going to screw Hue?
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Like a drunk sailor ashore after 6 months at sea.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
jerry is the world going to ebd in 2012? You seem yo be the guy with all the answers….
January 16th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
MR, the shooter wasnt inspired by left or right wing politics he was just a f’ing nutball that shot a congress woman. The left tried to paint him as a right wing nut job which was 100% false and despicable, like you.
You are an idiot get lost.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
And I find Cable’s statements very peculiar. They sound as if he knew he was out the door. Boy did he put up a front in front of the media and the fans. “…Its going to come out soon though…” ????? WTF is that about?
that article definately put cable in a new light. His handling of Jason campbell; mike mitchell; jared veldheer (starting him at center week 1 on the road as a rookie?); and bruce campbell: not even playing him in meaningless games.
Cable is likeable guy, but his disagreements with al seemed to be idiotic in retrospect.
Its clear why he was let go so quickly.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
I am complaining of the lack of investigative journalism. I would like to know how many other teams have fined their head coaches for OTA violations and how much the average fine is. I’m sure Adam Schefter has this information at his disposal.
The media made Davis out to be an idiot for firing Kiffin with cause. However, Kiffin lost his battle with Davis during arbitration so apparently Davis knew that he had a good case. I’m guessing the same is true this time around with Cable.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Terrapin,on one hand you are quoting Cable about how he was forced to play and keep certain players.On the other,you are blaming him for who is active and who isn’t.Don’t you see the irony of that?If he was being forced to play certain players,what makes you think he had total control over who was active each week?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Sure. He was just a nut job. Random shooter.
Did he:
A) Go to a mall and just start shooting at people
B) Walk down the street and just start shooting people
C) Go to a Democratic congresswoman’s rally, and put a bullet right through her head.
Let me know if you need help, MB.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
My ex was my main man.
I’m Al Davis and I approve this message.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Imagine if Tenn beat KC week 15 and AL had to wait until after we were eliminated from the playoffs to fire Tom!
lmao
January 16th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Bruce Campbell could at least gotten in the last few minutes of the season lol. It ended up being a blowout and CC may not even be back in the SNB next year lol. If I were Al I would be pissed too. hahaha
January 16th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
I fined my ex because he was over paid to begin with, went beyond the cheap, had to recover some bucks.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
theprofessor Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
I am complaining of the lack of investigative journalism.
…………….
Investigative journalism of other teams, when the Raiders don’t even open their doors? Why should the media investigate other teams any more in depth than they do the Raiders? It sounds like you just want a Raider media, that supports the Raiders and exposes the downfalls of all other teams.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Burning bridges where?Supposedly he was already promised the HC job.Why should he have worried about Cable when he already knew he was going to replace him?
Buring bridges with Cable. Hue had no need or incentive to get involved with the drama between cable and Al.
He will be the next HC; he will have his shot to work with that old bastard; why strain a relationship with Cable even more. Hue just did his job, and made sure not to step on any toes… we will see how he does next year.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
cable will win in court al cant even afford a lawyer!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
232.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
so then, professor, why are you complaining? If the Raiders purposely close themselves off to the media, do you expect anything less of the media than to retaliate? What world are you living in?
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I agree with that. Al Davis does not play the media very well at all. He calls Mort a “professional liar”, threatens to sue ESPN, gets in the face of local media (although I can’t stand Kawakami, but that’s for a different day and I’m sick of taling about it) and they shield themselves from the media in general.
You give your organization such bad press and do nothing to make it better in a world where “image is everything” as they say.
Public opinion is usually important for businesses and the Raiders ARE a business and seem like they couldn’t care less about “public opinion”. Problem is, even players are in the “public” as well as coaches and guess what?… FANS.
Raiders need to lighten up a bit and stop tearing themselves down.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
244.Mistabr0wn Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Imagine if Tenn beat KC week 15 and AL had to wait until after we were eliminated from the playoffs to fire Tom!
lmao
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Imagine if we’d a won the big one. Would have made me look like a idiot. My ex got lucky, cause you don’t mess with my main man ex.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Johnny, that, and the closed training camps. Just stupid. I think the league should step in with the closed training camps, make the Raiders open them and even recommend that they make it a commercial affair. The Raiders aren’t exactly solvent financially. Al’s loyalists (not you, necessarily, just in general) think that the Raiders are like owning your own shop. It’s not. It’s a franchise, part of a league. There’s stipulations. If the Raiders lose, the other teams lose. It’s not Al’s baby. He can think it is. But at the end of the day, if the league really wanted to, they could remove him.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Lefty,
Cable played who he wanted. I am sure his contract even said as much. He wanted to start Bruce G, he started him. He did not like bruce campbell; so he never dressed him.
He was hc. His contract gives him authority over who plays and who does not. If Al wants him to play somebody else, he really can’t do much except fire him for cause or not bring him back when his contract is up… that is what happened.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
That is what YOU think happened because you actually have no idea what REALLY happened.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
And,as far as what his contract said you have no idea what was in it.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Real madden raider… The league has enoug to worry about besides Al davis. not sure anybody understands how a non profit company governs 32 billion $ companies (700-800 mill for the raiders depending on who is estimating).
January 16th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Terrapin,on one hand you are quoting Cable about how he was forced to play and keep certain players.On the other,you are blaming him for who is active and who isn’t.Don’t you see the irony of that?If he was being forced to play certain players,what makes you think he had total control over who was active each week?
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Cable says he was being forced to play & keep certain players. Those are his words. (And may I note, his statement of ‘being forced’ doesn’t have to actually mean ‘demanded or else’. It could simply mean Al expressed himself to Cable on what he thinks. Like any boss may express his ideas/thoughts that you may not agree with but go along with it, you say you are ‘being forced’. Just saying its possibly taken out of context).
I believe Sheftner reported, or someone else, that Davis was upset with Cable not playing/suiting or whatever Bruce Campbell. That tells me, unsubstantiated yes, however, it tells me Cable likely had control over who suits up.
If its in his contract to have such control its in his contract. I highly doubt if Davis dictates who is active or who isn’t each game. Just sounds highly unlikely
January 16th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Dick, you’re not going to bluff me with by napalming me with figures. The NFL does care about what’s going on with the Raiders. They’re weak link, they’re not making money. That has to get the attention of the league. There’s just only so much they can do. But they’re keeping an eye on the Raiders. Money always talks.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
There’s a difference between kissing the media’s arse and just being incorrugible jerks. This latest fining Cable thing just plain looks bad and helps nobody on the Raiders. It makes the org. look petty and cheap and potential free agents see this stuff. Potential big name coaches see this stuff and the fans see this stuff. Why the he** would you want to project that kind of image? Is it worth saving $ 120,000 that you throw away on non performing players anyway?
What good does this defiant, defensive stance do for a ‘business’ like the Raiders?
I can’t believe NOBODY (Amy Trask, Mark Davis, whoever) cannot get through to Al in regard to this.
‘Screw everybody, we’re the Raiders’ doesn’t work.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Lefy,
just going off of assumptions on the contracts. common knowledge that the HC is control of who plays who doesn’t; gm/ Al davis is in contol of the 53 man roster. That is the basic set up for the majority of the teams of the NFL. Common practice… fits what happens in Oakland this season. you want to beleive something else go for it.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Where are u guys reading that Cable said this? It didn’t come out during the season or it would have been a big story.
Just curious. Anyone have a link?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
i’m not napalming you with figures. Just pointing out a flaw in what you were saying. Explain to me how a non profit organization can forcibly remove a majority owner from his business?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
What are you talking about? If he was fined for the OTAs then it is justified. Otherwise the organization woudl have to pick up that fine for something he was responsible for. HE DIRECTED THE OTAs. Why should the organziation foot the bill?????
Again, the league fined the Raiders is what I gather from the report and Al took it out of Cable’s pay because Cable was responsible for the fine!
How is this wrong??? Please tell me!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
One of the reasons Kiffin was fired for ’cause’ is he went against what his boss told him to do.Evidently if Davis tells his HC he wants him to play certain players and they don’t,they can be fired for ’cause’ thus voiding their contract.Therefore it is easy to assume the HC plays whomever his boss tells him to.You guys should quit mentioning what his contract said unless you’ve actually read it because you don’t know what was in it.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Dick V, there are 31 greedy, powerful, crooked owners in the league, then there’s Al. They can remove him, if they have to make him disappear.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Kiffin wasn’t fired for disobeying the owner in not playing certain players. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t remember that.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
I’m not trying to defend Davis, I wish he would communicate more openly myself and open up training camp and more practices to the media and fans. I just think it is ridiculous to have a story about a coach being fined for OTA violations without including information regarding precedent. It is clear that the article’s intention is to incite animosity rather than just report facts. We, as media consumers should demand better.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Why should the organization foot the bill for a below avg coach like TC?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
theprofessor Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
It is clear that the article’s intention is to incite animosity rather than just report facts.
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What about the article is non factual?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
31 greedy owners… the the problem with the league are teams like Cincy; the bills; Clevland: all of which are the reasons that there was a floor on the salary for 53 man roster/ not just a cap.
Al davis makes things interesting. spends the $ other owners make. Those forementioned teams would be the equivalent to Pirates/ royals/ A’s in Basball who never spend money; resign their players to big contracts.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
I think people tend to overestimate the impact of these stories. Yes, we may have lost a free agent or 2 over the years and we lost out on Jason Garrett as head coach a couple years ago, but Al does have a reputation for paying players well and for being loyal to them (to a fault as we know too well). Also, don’t you think Hue Jackson was well aware of the situation regarding Cable being fined. I sensed tension between Hue and Tom all season.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Kiffen was fired for making false statements and slandering the team/ owner Al davis. Kiffen like cable cried about not being in control of the 53 man roster: when his contract did not give him that authority.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
268.TerrapinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Why should the organization foot the bill for a below avg coach like TC?
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I think because it makes the org. look so dam cheap by doing it. It’s not good for a ‘business’ to constantly have this negative, cheap, petty image being projected over and over again.
What is 120,000 in the grand scheme of things with a pro sports franchise? Is it worth it?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
I’m out.
That article insuiated a lot of things. And as much as it probably attempted to make Al look bad; it made Cable look even worse. That’s all I can say if it is true of these RUMORS.
Grads over Campbell
Releasing MM34
Never suiting Bruce Campbell
Overall, all bad decisions Cable was likely for. And if its true that the fine was a league imposed fine for OTAs; its a bad decision to try to fight it because he is responsible for OTAs.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
He was fired for ’cause’.Part of the ’cause’ was he wouldn’t do what Davis wanted.But that isn’t what we were talking about.The subject was how can Jackson get a pass,Cable be blamed for everything bad,yet Jackson had total say over the offense and Marshall/Davis had total say over the defense.Everyone said Cable was just a mouthpiece and had no control over anything,yet he is blamed for everything.How can it be both ways?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Dick, you’re trying to bluff me with a lexicon you probably picked up at a business course at a community college. I’m unmoved. Al Davis is bad for the league financially, and they will get rid of him if he doesn’t just die on his own soon. They’re waiting for him to die, plus they know he’s got good lawyers. But they’re eying him. He’s horrible for business.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
“As former Oakland Raiders coach Tom Cable was attempting to lead his team to the playoffs this season, owner Al Davis began deducting $20,000 from each of his head coach’s paychecks until he had withheld $120,000 in fines, according to team sources.”
It’s the context in which the facts are given as well as the lack of additional context regarding precedence of fining coaches over OTA violations that makes the agenda of the article clear.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Proffessor I agree with you… the players coaches do not care for the most part with the exception of a list coaches: A list coaches will not come to Oakland. a lsi coaches: young offensive minded guru’s have been passing on Oakland for 6-7 years( sean Payton, jasson garret, Bobby petrino; ken wisenhunt; Jim Harbaugh…
Free agents have to entertain oakland offers because Al davis is a market maker; understands ca income tax makes him have to outbid every team for a player he wants.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
under cable 8-8 was respectable and the team was on the verge of getting good quality players too come to oakland ,richard seymore had too be forced to play in oakland,now thats all down the drain players will be back saying i will retire if i have to plsy in oaklsnd!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Oh, I got it, professor. It’s the context within the facts per the factual context of the facts which you dispute. OK, got ya. Sure you’re not just whining about the media fighting Al fire with fire? You said yourself Al shuts them out. What do you expect the media to do when you shut them out?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
As much as I dislike lance,what exactly did he lie about?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
And just for good measure:
Who the HEL would even think of giving Tom ‘Freakin’ Cable control over the 53-man roster? What has he EVER done to merit such responsiblity in measuring talent?
Kwame Harris ring a bell?
That would just be the dumbest thing ever!
January 16th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Who would think of giving Al Davis control of a 53 man roster? If Al Davis were to step down from the Raiders and throw his name around the league as a GM candidate, that selects the 53 man roster, who would hire him?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Al Davis won’t pay A-list money. He never has. I agree with Jerry about how we couldn’t get Harbaugh this year because his stock was too high for what Davis is willing to pay.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
# theprofessor Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Al Davis won’t pay A-list money. He never has. I agree with Jerry about how we couldn’t get Harbaugh this year because his stock was too high for what Davis is willing to pay.
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And the media shouldn’t talk about that? An owner who’s too cheap to hire a real head coach? Why shouldn’t the sports media focus on that? Wouldn’t it be their job?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
I know this doesn’t make up for the past decade, but someone on the Raiders was responsible for a hell of a draft last year.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Hell of a draft? Better than Al’s average, yes. Hell of a draft? Yet to be proven. Put a little water in the kool aid. Too much sugar.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Terrapin,while that may be true,will you argue the point that the Raiders had their best 2 drafts in years while Cable was the HC.He may have not picked the choices,but it sure looked like he had some influence in them.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
I wouldn’t call 2 million/year for Tom Cable cheap. IMO, that is a classic case of overpaying.
I know what the media is paid to do, it’s to sell stories. The whole truth doesn’t matter.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Given the number of first year contributors top to bottom it was a hell of a draft. Of course, injuries, regression, purple drank, etc. could change all that in the future. As of now, it was a hell of a draft.
January 16th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/16/SPRB1H9NVH.DTL
DJ, I don’t know if you’ve seen this article, but it does not say if the fine was a “garnishment” so to speak, or if Al pocketed the money, or who imposed it.
But what I find striking is Cable filed a grievance, why?
January 16th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
I wouldn’t put my money on it Lefty.
Remember Tom Cable dodged being fired last year and kept his job by relinquishing power to a new OC. So I hihgly doubt Al gave him much say in the drafting of players when he was just inches away from the exit door. (And maybe even a planned exit after the season ended). I know I wouldn’t give such authority to a temp.
Outtro
January 16th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Subtract the time that Cable had to deal with Ja-slobcus on the roster and he really only had one season with a decent team. I think what Lechler had to say is only the tip of the iceberg about what really goes on with the team. Here’s hoping that John Herrera gets stiffed on his check one day and decides to write a tell-all on the dysfunctional Raider organization.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
theprofessor Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
“As former Oakland Raiders coach Tom Cable was attempting to lead his team to the playoffs this season,
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You have to admit, that last line there is clearly trying to influence and promote the perception of Cable as victim. While poor, good ole nice guy Tom Cable was “attempting to lead his team to the playoffs”, the evil Al Davis was screwing him over big time.
It does NOT sound like an objective “just the facts” type of comment. The piece clearly tries to paint a sympathetic portrait of Cable. The question is why does the media do this? Al has brought this kind of thing on with the constant defensive, “screw you all” stance he takes in so mnay instances.
I don’t think it’s responsible non biased reporting and clearly infuses personal opinion and bias against Davis.
That being said, Al keeps brining it on.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
# theprofessor Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
I know what the media is paid to do, it’s to sell stories. The whole truth doesn’t matter.
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It never has to the media. The media has always been about selling stories. But…you want the media to be partial to the Raiders. Why? What have the Raiders done to earn that? It’s all give and take. The Raiders give nothing, they get nothing. Sounds about right.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Once again,he had no say yet everything that went wrong was his fault.OK.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Lefty12 It’s a huge mistake to assume that Cable had any hand in those players getting picked sure he may have had some enfluence early in his tenure but when it comes to the draft that is Mr Davis’ domain. Cable could’ve easily voiced opinions and they may have been welcome as would a lot of coaches and scouts for tha matter. I hear Mr Davis has been very adament about his early picks of late as has always been the case in the past.
As stories like these start to comeout there is even less of a chance Cable had anything at all to do with the biulding of this team. Especially considering the icy relationship they obviously had.
I would even venture a guess that Mr Davis distanced himself from Tom Cable after the end of last season but stuck with him for the sake of the team. Until he could get a read on Hue Jackson.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
The Real MaddenRaider: Yes, the Raiders had a HELLUVA a draft. Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston, and Jared Veldheer made the all rookie team on national football post.com, and Jacoby Ford made honorable mention. So yes, a helluva a draft.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Al Davis’s complaints about the media are like a fat guy at the club complaining that women aren’t flirting with him. You know this guy. He accuses them of being lezzies, stuck up, money hungry… He blames everything but that fat buddha belly, the stench of beer and salami breath, and a face of rubber. Has to be that the chicks have issues. Basically, Al’s no different with the media. He doesn’t throw them so much as a bone, but wants the media to treat the Raiders like they are just sports royalty. Doesn’t work that way.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Better than average draft. Not even a playoff appearance yet. Jury’s still out.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
A lot of good Raiders players over the years start off hot then fall off. Gotta make sure Ford and company aren’t part of that fraternity.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Yes, if Al would give some love he just might get some.
He’s a very proud individual.
The old adage applies:
“Pride cometh before a fall”.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Priest,given the success of the drafts while Cable was HC compared to those of the last 8-10 years,I believe it would be a mistake to assume he had no say.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
He’s delusional. He really can’t understand why the Raiders don’t get as much love as the Patriots. I mean he really doesn’t know why. We may not like it, but we at least know why it’s happening. He doesn’t. He thinks the Raiders are on the top tier of the league, and really doesn’t understand why the media doesn’t talk about that. That’s not proud. That’s delusional.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
If I were to venture a guess I would say Mark Davis is becoming more and more involved in the process than anyone knows. Just a thought…
January 16th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Almost without fail all the knuckleheads contributing to this blog just don’t get it: it’s not about the head coach (I could hire my dog to run this franchise and it would make no difference): it’s me, al d. davis…I am a lunatic; my brain reeks; if you get close you can smell it. The problem is that I suffer from dementia and AL….zhemimers….(same as my first name, lol). I am rotten and stinky from the inside out. My brain is lesionus (means ridden w/pus filled lesions). I am sick and sad; everything I do is irrational. The crazy thing is, that you all take me seriously: really, I don’t what day of the week it is; didn’t I just fire Lance Cable??. Now for some song:
K…..sooo…here we go…”Ode to Alzheimers AL” (please sing this to the melody of the Beverly Hillbillies’ theme song):
Come ‘n listen to my story ’bout Alzheimers AL
A shadow of himself, at the moon he would howl,
And then one day, dreamin of days gone by
Purple Drank appeared causing AL to sigh,
JaDumbarse, that is, black gold, BamaBoy…
Well, the first thing you know, AL’s 2 and 14
Nother seasons gone by, AL still has a dream,
Told ole Lance Californy is a place you ought’nt be
So Lance loaded up the truck and moved to Tennessee
Hollywood..vertical attack, man-on-man, 1969…..
So AL’s still thinkin its 1969,
With a vertical attack everything’ll be fine
And Big AL know alls he gotta do, grab a Plunkett incarnate name of Campbell boo…
After 6 long quarters Campbells a slug,
ALs frothin at the mouth while Cable pulls the plug,
Overhead projectors burnin a hole, better turn AL out fore he has em all on the dole.
Well, now it’s time to say goodbye to AL and all his kin,
AL would like to thank you folks for kindly droppin’ in
Insanity and alzheimers, superbowls and gin.
You’re all invited back again to this locality
To have a heapin’ helpin’ of AL’s hospitality
Dementia, that is, set a spell, take your shoes off
Y’all come back now, hear?
January 16th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
rmr, when I said Al wasn’t the owner of the Dolphins…
I was reminding you that Al does not openly hire another coach thereby showing a lack of respect to the current coach as Miami did with Sparano when bidding on Harbaugh, then again Al has never asked a draft prospect if his mother was prostitute either.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
just a thought do any of you think Al, should he resign Bush consider trading McFadden for a #1 draft pick, since he is not big on RBs anyway.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Oh, yeh, RaiderRetribution, Al’s all about respecting his coaches, isn’t he? Play again sometime.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Any coach in the NFL getting 4 first year starters from one draft would consider that a helluva draft. And that’s across the board not some relative standard of the Raiders because they’re the Raiders.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
A little too soon to call this a great draft. Sorry.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
I am the real deal.
I’m Al Davis and I approve this message.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
I’ll say this, Al’s always been good at drafting talent. But in this league, you have to draft for a system. That’s where Al is clueless. We’ve got talent all over the league drafted by Al. But Al just doesn’t know how to place that talent on his own team. That’s why he needs a GM.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
@ Lefty,
Wanted to send my compliments in keeping them honest. Good job. They’re a bunch of sheeps. Very good point on Al’s draft with Cable has been pretty good. The other thing too was that Cable talked about how he wanted to change the culture and attitude and he accomplished that too.
@ RaiderRetribution
I dont think Al would trade mcFadden unless DMAC starts to get more popular than Al. Then DMAC gets the Marcus Allen/John Gruden treatment.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
I like oatmeal.
I’m Al Davis and I approve this message.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Make up your mind dweeb at first you said only Gruden and Bruce Allen knew talent and others brought the team talent and Davis got the credit. Now you say he’s always been good at drafting talent.
Shows you don’t what the hell you’re talking about. GM’s don’t place the talent coaches do. You have no idea what a GM’s responsibilities are. That is the sole responsibility of a Head Coach.
But everyone knew that except you.
January 16th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
316.priesttj Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Make up your mind dweeb at first you said only Gruden and Bruce Allen knew talent and others brought the team talent and Davis got the credit. Now you say he’s always been good at drafting talent.
Shows you don’t what the hell you’re talking about. GM’s don’t place the talent coaches do. You have no idea what a GM’s responsibilities are. That is the sole responsibility of a Head Coach.
But everyone knew that except you.
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you go girl!!!!!!!
January 16th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Koko Taylor can belt the blues. Listen to her sing ’stop watching your enemies’ and think of dear old me. classic lady, hhmmmm hmm
January 16th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
It’s Tom Cable’s fault we didnt get to the playoff. However, Hue owned the offense and called the plays. Where was his offense in these losses?
13-38 Tenn
9-17 SF
3-35 Pitt
10 – 33 Mia (Ford ST TD)
19-31 Indy (Ford ST TD)
5 out of 8 losses his offense was a no show??? but it’s all Cable’s fault right?
January 17th, 2011 at 12:01 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
A little too soon to call this a great draft. Sorry.
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is dhb a bust then if its too soon to give credit for this years draft..how many rookies in the past had an impact like Ford, mcclain, and veldheer and then disappeared
January 17th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Really? People are questioning why Cable started Grad against Miami, after the godawful performance by Campbell vs. Pittsburgh, SF, STL, etc. Yeah, he finished the season strong, but during some of the games earlier in the season, Campbell looked an awful lot like JaMarcus Russell out there.
But no matter, god willing, the Raiders hire a real coach for a change and leave Hue at OC.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:06 am
Rightnasty,
they love to conveniently rewrite history on here when it comes to Campbell. It’s as if dude was a stud all along and got benched for no reason.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:08 am
I say, I say, somebody knock? Poor Grandpa Al, it must be lonely at the nursing home. The poor wretch can’t make a decision on nothing. Prayer is needed for Grandpa. A complete mess by fining the coach, why didn’t Al do it earlier? Not at the end of the season. I think that if you are over the hill as owner?manager, think about retiring, laying in the sunshine, harassing the girls on the beach or in Al’s lost in own your mind! Make your decision now! You are not going to be the center of attention during the playoffs, pops!
January 17th, 2011 at 12:12 am
campbell may not be the answer, but what other qbs were available.no way anyone wanted jacarcus back…mcnabb would have been a disaster and grads did not play well..who should we have signed then..cable did not handle the qb situation well at all..not to mention he couldnt handle the other aspects of the game either, like management of time outs, challenges, and his so called expertise (besides cheerleading) the OL
January 17th, 2011 at 12:17 am
tim brown 7 total tds rookie year…jacoby ford 7 total tds rookie year…hmmm
January 17th, 2011 at 12:48 am
you guys are strange.
The same thing happens EVERY year. Drama between the coach and Al and the coach gets canned.
ARE ALL THESE COACHES LAME AND SNEAKY DUDES TRYING TO DESTROY THE RAIDERS?
No…the common denominator is Al. Can’t you see that? Same thing happens over and over again and AL is the only constant in the equation. It’s simple logic!
January 17th, 2011 at 12:49 am
And no 8-8 is not great…but it was a HELL of a lot better than what we have seen the last 8 years!
Amazing that you all don’t see the difference this year and the fact that we were in the playoff race and that is improvement.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:50 am
I’ve said it before some of you on this blog live only to get free tickets from Al. You mindlessly back everything he does, do you have no shame? Here is the reason we were 8-8 and it had nothing to do with coaches, unless you count curious play calls at critical moments (Hue), the best way to do this is to quote Rex Ryan from last night: “You can’t just give them one thing all the time. Mix your coverages, mix your blitzes, mix your pressures, all that kind of stuff. Against these great quarterbacks, that’s what you have to do.” Al’s defensive and for that matter offensive philosophies suck. Al didn’t care for running the ball even though they clearly had a knack for it, he wanted to pass deep on every play despite having no consistent receivers and on defense well you know.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:50 am
The PROBLEM is that you all want to BELIEVE that Al knows what he’s doing and that gives you hope, because it’s easy to blame Cable.
Get real.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:03 am
Boy genius abounds in here, pass deep on every play? hmmm what raider team are you talking about because I’ve never seen that.
Al Davis is his on man no need to make excuses for him, he has his faults like everyone else. He has his strengths as well. He rebiult this team to win and when a HC or someone else wants to do what they please with his team he has every right to FIRE his ass.
That’s why there are owners and workers. If you want to work for him don’t complain when he tells you what he wants the best thing to do is do it. Or have a damn good explanation why you shouldn’t and then show him why your way was the best way. You can’t defy him and lose…………..period
January 17th, 2011 at 1:05 am
I blame cable for what cable did I blame Al Davis for hiring him in the first place……….thanks for listening.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:13 am
Also if Cable was so abused by Mr davis why didn’t he just quit why did he want to keep his job?? His contract was over and all he had to do was move on why all the consternation? He kept that guy when he could easily and understandably have fired him. Cable should be eternally grateful because no one else even considers him as a HC. At least he an say he did it.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:13 am
it’s easy to hit a nerve with you tj. i know i am point on when you respond to me. al would pass deep every down if he could, that is what he likes. just like al you take any little thing(in a contract) and look for ways to debunk a legitimate argument. of course i know they didn’t pass deep every down, you moron.
it’s easy for every owner to go in a fine every coach from something they do against their contract, but they don’t. al puts things into a contract you have to sign if you want the job so he know right where to go. we know al likes light training camps, no need to hurt anyone of his precious pansy picks to injury, so it irritates him when practice goes a little heavy. which is also why they don’t tackle well until about the fourth game of the season, but that is another story.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:15 am
in case you didn’t notice, cable and his players had respect and mutal admiration for each other, something davis knows little about, and that is why he didn’t quit.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:18 am
that’s just pathetic and weak and i am talking about every argument you try and make to put al in a better light. until they change the way they do business, they won’t make money and until they change the way the owner wants schemes ran, they will be no better than 8-8. everything is run by davis, he is the only constant idiot in the losing.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:23 am
Respond to you when I’m here to respond if I chose to most times I’m not in here. I think I’ve been around the Raiders long enoug to have my own opinion son. I’ve seen Raidrs play before you were born and They did pass deep every down. I think that is something you think you know to justify the rest of your ignorance.
Most of you young punks are clueless as to what he likes because you weren’t there in the early days. So your opinion is your opinion real or imagined. But I saw the man coach and saw he coaches coach so I think I know.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:27 am
You know te medias redition of Mr Davis I’ve been around that team since 1976 and a fan since 1966. Saw some great football for many years. Sorry you missed it.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:33 am
Yeah I bet you said they wouldn’t get top 8-8 before this and if they win the division you’ll say they’ll never win the SB and when they win the SB you’ll say they’ll never win 2 in a row.
Same old dumbass comments, All of you said he couldn’t biuld a team without Kiffin until he did it.
blah blah blah blah!!! just go root for another team and get it over with………..bye!!
January 17th, 2011 at 2:22 am
sorry but i was born in 68 so i’ve seen them play too. i don’t get free tickets to the game in exchange for being al davis’ stooge. let me ask you, does he give you incentives to meet for like a free hotdog and beer? if you don’t win your argument does he take away your hotdog?
here is a thing to keep in mind, in the 70’s al’s schemes worked because we had the best players period. nowadays, teams are about even with talent, now there are extraordinary players but mostly teams are even and it’s scheme and smarts that win. don’t give me your “son” routine dad, these are not your raiders of old.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:26 am
really you act like al has just won the superbowl in building a team, they were 8-8 because of cable in spite of al. listen to what the players are saying and what the players will do and then the judgement will be made. he can throw a lot of money at a player ala deangelo and walker and i have a suspicion that he voided nnamdi so that he can take some of that money to try and resign players but it’s going to be bad. the raiders are only as good as their schemes, till that changes….suffer.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:28 am
we fans suffer. you will not suffer because you are an al davis fan or employee or whatever. all that matters to you is proving al’s point, which is getting harder and harder to meet.
January 17th, 2011 at 3:39 am
Oh I’ve been a Raiders fan since 1976.
And yeah, I’ve seen the glory of what we are and have great respect for the philosophies that made us great.
I love throwing deep, playing man to man and pressure on the QB. But it don’t seem to be working.
The slogan is just WIN baby…not play outdated Raider ball at all costs and lose because of a pure adherence to a certain style in the face of an ever changing game.
I wish we could throw deep, but our QB gets knocked out or checks down instead, or our WR’s drop the damn ball.
January 17th, 2011 at 3:43 am
My main issue is…no matter who the coach is, whether it’s Gruden (who made us a winner), Kiffin or Cable or some other stiff that Al pulls out of his hat, he makes life miserable for them and they fail and he gets rid of them, which sets us back.
Get a coach you love Al and stick with him.
It’s Al’s job to WORK with the coach, motivate him and to make him win games. He is the GM. He is a manager, and should get the performance out of his employees.
Every single coach can’t be a loser.
I love the Raiders and feel that Al is like a whacked out old pimp that has turned my beautiful daughter into a pock marked, scraggly, wretched, strung out crack ho.
January 17th, 2011 at 4:04 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Cable’s major problem with the O-Line is that he was always trying to make each lineman be a multi-positional player instead of excelling at one position.
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That is a good point but Cable was really a great OL coach for us.
January 17th, 2011 at 4:11 am
lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Cable was nothing but a time-out/challenge caller.Useless Jackson ran the offense and Davis/Marshall ran the defense,yet everything that went wrong was Cable’s fault.What a bunch of idiotic sheep.
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Absolutely Lefty!
It wasn’t Al’s fault it was Cable…
It wasn’t Al’s fault it was Kiffin…
It wasn’t Al’s fault it was Art Shell…
It wasn’t Al’s fault it was Norv Turner…
It wasn’t Al’s fault it was Bill Callahan..
And coming soon to a coliseum near you….
It wasn’t Al’s fault it was Jackson…
January 17th, 2011 at 4:35 am
Ohhh, Now i get it… Tom Cables the person responsible for the last 8 yrs of losing…. I knew it was Cable that brought us JaJumbo Russell and Javon ” Bench” Walker… Now it’s perfectly clear Cable didn’t like Marcus Allen either and traded him away…it had to be Cable.. Who else?
January 17th, 2011 at 4:57 am
A lot of you are missing the boat on this one — Al was never going to pay Cable and we all know that. It would have been interesting to see what would’ve happened if they had made the playoffs, but anything less was Al’s “out” to release Cable. With labor unrest, Al is not going to mortgage the farm on anything or anyone — in that way, he’s perhaps the shrewdest owner of all. Hue Jackson was his man all along — he’s going to hook his horses (and all his young talent) to him and ride his way through the new CBA. If he’s still alive after that, we’ll see what he does next. Don’t worry Raider fans – worry more for the whole NFL!
January 17th, 2011 at 5:00 am
Hey Copenhagen:
From your previous comment, I have one question for you — is your daughter Lindsay Lohan?
January 17th, 2011 at 5:09 am
One thing is for sure.
Tom knew what he was getting into when he took the job.
He saw firsthand how Al operates, how Al expects his coaches to operate, and what happens when you dont operate the way you are told.
No tears shed here for Tom
The next sure thing is how Al operates.
I agree that he runs his team different and that sometimes he does some very very bad things and sometimes he does some very very stupid things
I ignore all that because I have no control over it.
One Big reason I became a Raider fan was because of the way Al operates. He did things his way and when people said he cant do it that way he flipped them off and took them to court. He always rebeled against the system. Like when he hired Art Shell.
Bottom line, he owns the Raiders, he runs the Raiders the way he wants to run them, and he is not going anywhere or changing his ways.
I will continue to wish him good fortunes and I hope like hell he succeeds again, soon.
He wants his team and coaches living on the edge and thats why he creates all the drama.
January 17th, 2011 at 5:12 am
Is it any wonder NFL proven headcoachs aren’t flocking to Oakland to coach our team….I’d bet Cable was working for the bare minimum as it was and only got the job cause Al Davis had a dispute with Kiffin…Nobody wanted the job and Tom Cable was standing there wanting to coach the Raiders….loyalty in Oakland?..I’ve seen reports that Al Davis is already not happy with Hue Jacksons play calling.. Really?..if Hue J is name HC , it would be a safe bet that by the end of 2012 we’ll be here wondering who our next coach is gonna be and also findingout how much Money Al Davis didn’t pay Jackson…
January 17th, 2011 at 5:13 am
lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
The point is clueless one all season everyone loved to say how Jackson ran the offense-Cable had no say.Everyone knows the Raiders run the defense Davis prefers and it is the same defense Marshall runs.All season everyone loved to say Cable had NO SAY IN THE RUNNING OF THE TEAM.Yet after the season people all blamed,and still do,Cable for the team not making the play-offs,which by the way,NOBODY EXPECTED BEFORE THE START OF THE SEASON.Why don’t any of you blame Jackson for us losing games we should have won but lost due to his terrible play calling?Why isn’t Jackson blamed for the QB shuffling when HE ALONE RAN THE offense?You guys are hypocritical and pick and choose what you want to believe and what facts you choose to accept.BTW,your hero Jackson came out and said the QB flip-flopping was HIS DECISION-but that is another thing you choose to ignore since it doesn’t support what you want to be the truth.IDIOTIC SHEEP.
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Amen.
January 17th, 2011 at 5:17 am
Like Carlito Brigante says,
There ain’t no friends in this shlt business!
If Al wants to increase revenue he should start a show on the History channel. a reality show called the Davis Lair. I would tune in from time to time to see his crusty face.
January 17th, 2011 at 5:19 am
The truth is this: despite the “who’s at fault?” blame game that everybody is jumping all over right now, we were one Jano missed field goal (AZ) and two botched touchdown drives (SF) away from making the playoffs. Pretty good turnaround, I’d say!
January 17th, 2011 at 5:23 am
England
I doubleup that Amen
January 17th, 2011 at 5:23 am
Off to work
Have fun gentlemen
January 17th, 2011 at 5:35 am
Quite the double standard on here in regards to Tom Cable.
A few posts say HE DID NOTHING right. His O-line was abysmal, and that was his doing.
What about the second San Diego game? Our O-line more than dominated them, we completely embarassed and humilated them. Converting 3rd and 8’s with a toss sweep? Who does that? The two 4th down decisions to go for it, Hue gets all the credit? No credit to Tom for winning in SD for the first time in almost 10 years?
The first game against the Chargers, we come out and exploit a weakness and block two punts. Cable gets no credit. But the Jax game when our ST fails us, damn that Tom Cable he didn’t have his guys ready to play.
Truth is, Tom was probably not a good or bad coach. He certainly had his flaws, no denying that. Had his little pet projects, and only Al can have pet projects so that wasn’t going to fly. He was, howoever, a great motivator, and got this team to beat teams every year he coached, that nobody expected us too.
For that, I think he deserved better. To say this was a playoff team is ridiculous. We could have easily been 6-10 as 10-6. The first KC game?? Ford doesn’t make that miraculous catch; ballgame. The first SD game was a potential challenge overrule from being a loss.
January 17th, 2011 at 5:39 am
Chicago a 3 point dog at home.
Not sure which way I am going yet, but Chicago had nothing to play for week 17 at home to GB, and GB had to win to get in, and the Packers were held scoreless at halftime and eeked out a 10-3 win against the Bears scrubs.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:02 am
Who cares about Chicago?
January 17th, 2011 at 6:05 am
Jerry Rice said it best when he commented on the fact that the team is pretty much in place and the players all believed in Cable and played hard for Cable. Al was never going to pay him, and Al believes that all the players will still play hard for HueJack. It’s a gamble, but I think the bigger gamble comes down to re-signing Nnamdi, Bush, Seymour and Zach.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:07 am
Al doesn’t believe in chemistry (his words) or the value of a HC (his actions).
He thinks he can just outsmart everyone by drafting DHB and Mike Mitchell in rounds 1 and 2.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:08 am
lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
The point is clueless one all season everyone loved to say how Jackson ran the offense-Cable had no say.Everyone knows the Raiders run the defense Davis prefers and it is the same defense Marshall runs.All season everyone loved to say Cable had NO SAY IN THE RUNNING OF THE TEAM.Yet after the season people all blamed,and still do,Cable for the team not making the play-offs,which by the way,NOBODY EXPECTED BEFORE THE START OF THE SEASON.Why don’t any of you blame Jackson for us losing games we should have won but lost due to his terrible play calling?Why isn’t Jackson blamed for the QB shuffling when HE ALONE RAN THE offense?You guys are hypocritical and pick and choose what you want to believe and what facts you choose to accept.BTW,your hero Jackson came out and said the QB flip-flopping was HIS DECISION-but that is another thing you choose to ignore since it doesn’t support what you want to be the truth.IDIOTIC SHEEP.
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Not sure about anyone else, but I for one think Jackson is an upgrade. Of course there were times I questioned his play calling. I’m a passionate fan just like anyone else. NE fans yesterday must have been wondering about that fake punt call, and also why was the whole offense going through D Woodhead in the first half? It’s in our nature to question play calls, especially when those plays aren’t executed well by the players.
We didn’t lose any games because of playcalling. We lost because we didn’t play as well as the other team.
As for the QB flip flopping, yeah Jackson came out and said what he said after the STL game. To me, the whole thing was fishy. When Al lets his OC talk to the media, u know something weird is happening behind the scenes. When I get that feeling, I pretty much throw up my hands and say “who the hell knows”? Certainly none of us.
I don’t think Jackson is a savior or hero. That’s crazy. Hopefully he learned a few things this year.
I just think he’s better than Cable. IMO, that’s not saying much.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:14 am
OC’s were required by NFL rule to speak to the media this year.
There was nothing fishy about it. May have been fishy what he actually said, but the Raiders were required to allow media access to either an OC or DC once a week or face a fine, just like every other team in the league.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:19 am
And in regards to playcalling, it would be nice to start giving credit for all the plays that work instead of soley beating coaches up when they don’t.
For example: all those reverses we ran this year. If they didn’t work, everybody acted like the sky was falling. But when they did, all i saw was silver and black jumping up and down, hi fives, and smiles. And you know what? The reverses worked a lot!
For instance: against KC after the Huff pick, we get the ball at the 10 yard line, I believe?
I like how Hue had Jacoby Ford get a few steps into a route BEFORE turning around, getting the ball from Bush and running around the end. I like how Veldheer came from the LT position, ran right just to clean up anybody who might be following Ford.
It was a well designed play that worked.
If it didn’t work, if we didn’t score, or if we had to settle for three, folks would be blaming Hue for not getting it done. But if he does score, you got some moron spewing some idiotic backward azz logic about the D being “responsible” for the TD.
Well let’s give the man credit for all the things that DID work, right?
We were 6th in scoring! C’mon I’m not saying the man is Vince Lombardi. Just better than Cable.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:20 am
Really? I’m not doubting you, because I don’t know. But why do we so rarely hear either the OC or DC speak?
January 17th, 2011 at 6:24 am
Hue was/is certainly a better OC than Cable. That is not something anyone is debating.
But is he a better HC than Cable? That is yet to be determined. Hue is going to have go 9-7 or better and go at least 5-1 in the division to stake that claim, IMO.
Not an easy task.
To me, I always liked the non-playcalling HC’s. The Mike Tomlin’s, Mike Smith’s, Bill Cowher and Jeff Fisher’s of the world. They provide input, decide when to go for 4th downs, challenges and timeouts. But generally their job is to oversee the co-ordinators, have a pulse for the team, and get guys ready to play.
So in this case, if Hue is named OC, I hope Saunders is the one calling plays.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:24 am
Hue named HC, Saunders OC is what I meant….
January 17th, 2011 at 6:25 am
# raidertbone Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 5:00 am
Hey Copenhagen:
From your previous comment, I have one question for you — is your daughter Lindsay Lohan?
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that’s good stuff bro’ ha ha ha….
January 17th, 2011 at 6:26 am
Al has turned the Raiders into a buck-toothed, slobbering, pock marked, whacked out, jizzcovered, jacked up crack ho with an imploded bunghole.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:27 am
From the 2010 NFL media policy:
Assistant Coaches – Through their public relations department, clubs must provide regular and reasonable access to assistant coaches for media interviews that serve the best interests of the club and league. This access will include the availability to media that regularly cover the club of the offensive and defensive coordinators at least once during every practice week of the regular and postseason for a minimum of 10-15 minutes, beginning with the week leading to Week 1 of the regular season. For clubs who do not have an offensive or defensive coordinator, or whose head coach serves in that capacity, another coach or executive that is knowledgeable about the offense or defense must fulfill this weekly obligation. Coordinators and other primary position coaches must be available on a reasonable basis during training camp and throughout the season through the team public relations department. Clubs may not put assistant coaches off limits to the media and may not unreasonably withhold permission for primary position coaches or coordinators to speak to the media. Access to assistant coaches on game day is a club decision. For offensive and defensive coordinators, game-day access would be in addition to the mandatory access at least once during every practice week.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:28 am
As part of the Bay Area News Group, JerryMac knew about this story and sat on it during the whole season. He knew about Cables problems with AD all along. Why did you keep quiet Jerry?
January 17th, 2011 at 6:28 am
I feel you. I just think the opposite. I like the Gruden types. Probly cuz he’s last truly good coach we’ve had.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:30 am
WAS THERE NOT AN ISSUE AT THE PRESSER WHEN TOM CABLE WAS HIRED WHERE AL DID NOT EVEN KNOW HIS NAME ?THEN HOW DID AL KNOW WHO’S CHECK 2 WITHHOLD FROM..
January 17th, 2011 at 6:30 am
If you got a Bellicheck or Gruden or Rex Ryan, or some elite play-caller as a HC than of course you keep that going.
But there isn’t too many of those.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:31 am
Yeah those are the “rules” but we know Al aint playing by the rules!
Why is there always such limited access to our coordinators?
See this is where debate breaks down because truly, we have NO IDEA whats going on in Al’s world. We r just trying to make some sense of it
January 17th, 2011 at 6:32 am
Copenhagen:
C’mon now – don’t go comparing the Raiduhs to Whitney Houston!
January 17th, 2011 at 6:33 am
Jerry doesn’t leak any info until after the fact.
I exchanged e-mails with him about the Jamarcus purple drank stuff, and he knew about it (or should I say heard about it from better sources than me) in training camp of 2009. Never went with it, even today, and just touches on the “rumors” of it.
Jerry is like a 1960’s scribe stuck in 2010.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:34 am
Now we all know why Al kept silent on the Tom Cable firestorm from earlier in the season – he was saving “15% or more” on his coach!
January 17th, 2011 at 6:35 am
See this is where debate breaks down because truly, we have NO IDEA whats going on in Al’s world. We r just trying to make some sense of it
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I don’t disagree.
My point was that whatever came out of Hue or John’s mouth, who knows where those words really came from. You know Herrera was running around giving them things they should or shouldn’t say.
But the only reason we heard from those two in this past year is because of the new NFL media rules. We all know if they were not in place, Hue would have went on the record all of about 2 times all year, instead of every week once the season started.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:41 am
10.BornInOakland Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I’m a fan of 35+ years. And, I’m here to tell you, it’s OVER again. I will stick with the team (because, well, see my handle) but I know that the door that ad a chance to open wide is now being closed tight because of the old man.
I actually like Al Davis and know that when he passes on, the legit eulogies will be written and the due respect will be given. But the big picture is one thing, and the last 10 years are another.
The Raiders had a chance to be something in the next 2 years. They won’t now. Maybe in 3 or 4. What a shame.
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Totally feel the same way – been following the Raiders since 1965 and the crap period is more like since he fired Mike Shannyrat – the team has been in one Superbowl and the playoffs a handful of times thats it. Before he hired Shanny, the Raiders had the most dominant franchise in Pro Sports from the Late 60’s to the late 80’s. Only brief respites from terrible play when we had Bo and Gruden.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:45 am
You guys from the 60’s at least have the golden years.
What do you tell a 31 year old who became a fan in 86 or 87??
I have seen like 7 or 8 playoff games (have been to everyone in Oakland) and one Super Bowl disaster.
I have seen more coaching changes than playoff appearances I think, and certainly way more than playoff wins.
I was pretty happy with 8-8, lol
January 17th, 2011 at 6:47 am
Morning all.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:47 am
– Dismissed coach Tom Cable despite a lot of support in the locker room.
– Embarked on a coaching “search” which is expected to name offensive coordinator Hue Jackson as the new coach within the next few days.
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glad Jerry Mac and I can come to an agreement on this, because many Raider fans think that firing Cable and promoting Jackson was the right thing to do
It is the #1 reason we will find ourselves with a Top 5 draft choice in 2012 and the media will punch us in the mouth another 12-17 months!
January 17th, 2011 at 6:50 am
Ditto JFB (post #380)
I’m 27 …
break the W/L records down since that ‘83 Super Bowl victory. what does it average out to? how many wins per season? I’m gonna guess it’s less than 8!
January 17th, 2011 at 6:52 am
Been working all weekend and this is the first chance I’ve had to catch up.
You’ve got to laugh haven’t you ? Who else but the Raiders would do this kinda crap.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:52 am
Al has turned the Raiders into a buck-toothed, slobbering, pock marked, whacked out, jizzcovered, jacked up crack ho with an imploded bunghole.
Copenhagen:
C’mon now – don’t go comparing the Raiduhs to Whitney Houston!
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LOL @ Tbone
January 17th, 2011 at 6:53 am
Rockstar jnr will be 27 before we see a winning season.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:54 am
Just Fire Baby,
I emailed JerryMac during the season in regards to Grads condition as I had inside info. He does keep things confidential and I respect that. But there are ways to leak important stories like this unless Cable asked for non-publication as AD could have fired him for cause. Cable had $2 mill at risk.
January 17th, 2011 at 6:55 am
Rockstar jnr will be 27 before we see a winning season
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kid might end up rooting for the Rams or Chiefs, here in Missouri. Or perhaps stick to college football?
I hope he’s not a glutton for punishment, like his pop. He deserves better!
January 17th, 2011 at 6:56 am
Whatever happens this week, I’m hoping for an overhead projector appearance!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:00 am
Get him playing soccer Rockstar!! Save him from the pain!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:01 am
I’m hoping for an overhead projector appearance!
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Does that even place in the Top 50 Al Davis embarrassments?
thats like complaining about a booger when you have a broken leg!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Ex,
I respect that from Jerry.
Given his position as one of the senior writers covering the Raiders, he could have tell-all books, big editorials on all his findings, and a massive twitter account.
Instead, he sticks to a few slight jabs in his live chats.
Some people are happy where they are. Me?? I would have had a scathing Jamarcus Russell book, full of rumors, half-facts and opinions on sale for $12.99 two months after he was released, lol.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:06 am
Bottom line for Cable is that he got paid far more than he could ever have expected as a line coach. He was at the right place at the right time and hit the lottery.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:07 am
Get him playing soccer Rockstar!! Save him from the pain!
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I played basketball. He’ll probably do that too
no offense man, but I think soccer is more of a Euro thing. It’s not really viewed as masculine here in America, or at least not where I’ve lived … he can still play baseball & football
he’s steering clear of golf & tennis though for sure. I ain’t raising no pansy!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:09 am
JFB,
you lived in Vegas man. all the action came to YOU!
I’m sure you had plenty of opportunities to get the scoop on guys like Yvonne Walker & JaCraptable …
January 17th, 2011 at 7:13 am
I chose to spread my scoops on here, lol.
Damn right, opportunity missed.
BTW, get your kid to play baseball!!!! Hoops are cool, but nothing wrong with getting a scholarship to a DII school, and being big man on campus, all the while saving mommy and daddy rockstar money for education.
And than if he is good, Wichita State is not to far away correct?
January 17th, 2011 at 7:16 am
Lefty is retarded! He thinks Cable had something to do with Al’s draft.
You can’t credit the HC for one good draft 2010, and blame the owner for the prev draft under the same HC 2009. Crazy!!!!
That is Stupid, but I don’t expect much from Lefty.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:16 am
Rockstar….
Which ever sport gets him the big bucks!!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:18 am
Tom Cable’s contract was up!
Hue Jackson’s wasn’t!
G ZUS!
Why is this so hard for some of you to get over.
Hue is still here because he is still under contract!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:21 am
Hue is still here because he is still under contract!
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………and all the other HC posts have been filled.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:22 am
Keep crying for Cable You Losers!
Only a loser likes Cables and his 8-8 record!
Why did we fire Cable? Why! Wawawa wewewewe
Why did we let Marshall go? wawawaw wewewe
Keep crying!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Wichita State is not to far away correct?
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Right. about 250 miles away
my kid should be pretty well rounded. dad is an accountant, grandpa is a pastor, great grandpa is a mechanic and uncle is in the Navy (all hunters & fisherman)
January 17th, 2011 at 7:25 am
401.Raider O Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 7:22 am
Keep crying for Cable You Losers!
Only a loser likes Cables and his 8-8 record!
Why did we fire Cable? Why! Wawawa wewewewe
Why did we let Marshall go? wawawaw wewewe
Keep crying!
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Now there’s a young Raiders fan ready to carry the torch!
Tell ‘em O!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:27 am
Riddle me this:
How many rookie HC’s finish with more than 8 wins?
of them … how many locker rooms loved their previous HC and have 27 impending free agents?
anything less than 8 W’s is regression if it’s all about wins & losses with the owner/gm!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:28 am
Don’t sleep on golf RRS!
Scholarships mayne, scholarships!
Easier time getting a golf scholarship than anything else.
And if you REALLY want him to be a playa, make him take guitar or piano lessons! The ladies will love his personal songs to them, lol.
Im sure you already knew that though.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:28 am
Off to the golf course!
Have a great day AMrs!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:30 am
RRS ..
Cake schedule we have next year ???
I’m sticking with my normal offseason prediction!
We go 14-4 next year!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:32 am
Possible Raven free agents Hue could bring in…
RB- McClain, McGahee
OL- Gaither, Chester, Yanda
I would take either RB to replace Bush if he splits town.
Chester is young & from Cali.
I could see Al going all 2008 on us and spending a fortune in FA this year.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:33 am
Rookie HC’s with more than 8 wins.
Siefert(sp?)Callahan and that the steelers/colts coach come to mind but they took over very good teams.
Other side of the coin.Shula,Johnson and Walsh had terrible first seasons.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:37 am
I’m sticking with my normal offseason prediction!
We go 14-4 next year!
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Hey man, I thought we were going 10-6 last year!
in hindsight, we should have. We lost 5 games to teams with a worse record (losing record) than us
January 17th, 2011 at 7:40 am
J,
Later Bro, and enjoy golf.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:40 am
Raider O…what’s with the anti-Cable ranting meltdown?
Whatup with you JAMF?
January 17th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Al keeps making a whack job like Madden Raider seem lucid.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:44 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 7:07 am
Get him playing soccer Rockstar!! Save him from the pain!
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I played basketball. He’ll probably do that too
no offense man, but I think soccer is more of a Euro thing. It’s not really viewed as masculine here in America, or at least not where I’ve lived … he can still play baseball & football
he’s steering clear of golf & tennis though for sure. I ain’t raising no pansy!
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I played ball too. But when I was a kid I played soccer too. Soccer is a good sport for kids cuz it builds good footwork. By the time they figure out how boring it is and focus on bball and football, you’ve already reaped the rewards
January 17th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Al just can’t help himself. HE NEEDS DRAMA to keep the blood flowing through his Dracula Crypt Keeper corpus.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:47 am
You must be another Cable biotch!
Keep crying Biotch!
January 17th, 2011 at 7:47 am
Saw somebody up above in this thread talking about Howie and how busted up he is.
My buddy told me that he was jacking up with roids in college, which he got from a college teammate, who is totally wasted in his entire body and can’t deal with stress at all because of all the concussions.
I had 3 concussions playing high school football and college lacrosse….
I have no idea how these guys do it. But then again….$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ talks.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Raider O…what up JAMF? Meltdown still in progress?
January 17th, 2011 at 7:49 am
Lets keep it civil people.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Raider O…let’s get this straight….
All the coaches that the Raiders have had the many years (including Gruden) were worthless, illoyal dudes who were out to destroy the Silver and Black and Al has handled them all fairly, given them the right talent and right systems to succeed and they all failed?
All these coaches from Shanrat, Kiffin, and now Cable breached they contracts and either were fired for cause or fined by Al because of some kind of dereliction of duty and all the while Al is the victim?
get outta here with that garbage.
January 17th, 2011 at 7:53 am
All of the coaches that the Raiders have had since Tom Flores have been lousy and needed to be fired or let go?
January 17th, 2011 at 7:55 am
Oh yeah..he fired Flores too, by moving him to the front office….
January 17th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Off for some dinner.
Take it easy Nation and have a great Monday.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:02 am
You were crying about Cable, and now you are crying Al did…
Keep Crying Biotch!
January 17th, 2011 at 8:05 am
An owner fired an employee! Waaa weeee
Cable was 8-8! Waaaaa weeeees
The punter is upset! Waaaa weeee
Keep Crying Biotch!
January 17th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Raider O..I’ll save my energy for dudes who have a real point to make.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:13 am
You guys are simply mistaken. I give Al no pass. Al is completely responsible for hiring these lame coaches. (But I think Kiffin could have been a good coach but he had no intention of working with the owner or bleeding SNB).
January 17th, 2011 at 8:13 am
That’s good, or you can save so you can cry harder later. lol
January 17th, 2011 at 8:14 am
But Al isn’t going anywhere, period. It is his team and HE is the reason why you love Raiders. Period.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:15 am
Save it*
January 17th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Now his decisions at HC have been abysmal as of late (past 10 years almost since Gruden).
I think he got Gruden & Kiffin right but Callahan in Y2, Norv, Shell and Cable turned out to be bad decisions. Cable got lucky because of Kiffin’s antics got him fired and he was on the team at the right time. It was pure luck. In a normal environment he never gets the job.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Not even an interview.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:26 am
HEY JERRY…
ASK ‘EGO AL’ ONE QUESTION FOR ALL OF US AT THE PENDING HC PRESS CONFERENCE…
“MR DAVIS, GIVEN THE POOR RESULTS AND CONTINUAL UPHEAVAL WITNESSED OVER THE PAST 8 YEARS, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU, THE OWNER/GM, TAKE ON FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PRODUCT ON THE FIELD SINCE 2003?”
SIMPLE….TO THE POINT…UNAVOIDABLE…
WHAT DO I EXPECT? PETTY FINGER POINTING FROM A SAD, OLD DECREPIT SHELL OF A MAN…
January 17th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Bottom line (like it or not) …
around here – Al IS the bottom line!
Love it or leave it!
January 17th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Save all the questions and scrutiny for Al after the new collective bargaining agreement is signed. I think he still has a few morbid tricks up his crusty old sleeve!
January 17th, 2011 at 8:28 am
-Cable was 17-27.
-We lost to AZ, SF, Miami, Texans, Jax (allowing 31 points in the 2nd half), and Tenn.
-we should have won our division. All we had to do was win 2 more games from: Tenn, AZ, SF, Miami, texans, and Jax.
Cable deserves to be fired.
Don’t get me started on Kittin.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Let me set this story straight. Cable assumed the HC role and proceeded to 4-8. The following year he goes something like 5-11. In the procees we go from a Top 6 rushing team to 21st in the league! That’s with the same studs in the backfield, with his OLine which he had 3yrs to mold.
Cable was a awful playcaller and didn’t understand the strengths of his team (or weakness). He forced the issue. He wanted to do what HE wanted to do; not what was best for the team. I REMEMBER SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER AT THAT TIME RIGHT HERE ON THIS BOARD!!
When he got the job he emphatically said ‘we are going to throw it’ completely ignoring what the team was great at doing which was running. Low-n-behold the results.
EVERYONE THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BE FIRED!!! But the players wanted continuity for continuity’s sake and they got it. Only caveat was Davis only continue with Cable if he was relieved of his command of that offense.
In comes Hue Jackson. He restores that offense
January 17th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Cable also wanted to cut MM, and he wanted/ started Garbagekowski, which did cost us the Miami game.
I’m glad Cable is gone.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:34 am
In comes Hue Jackson. He restores that offense back to what Kiffin original had but only better. Now were not Top 6, we’re the 2nd best in the league. And we’re not scoring only 12 or 17 ppg; we’re scoring over 20 ppg.
And you all are attempting to credit that buffoon Tom Cable with this? Get real. YOU SAW WHAT HE PRODUCED!!!
Sure he may have had a role. They all have a role; but make no mistake; this team does not even go 8-8 if Al doesn’t bring Hue in.
(speculation) If Cable had his way we would be playing Grads over Campell, MM34 would be cut, Bruce Campbell would never see the light of day (ooops, they did happen) and we would have these ridiculous game day decisions on who to dress (ooops, that happened as well)
January 17th, 2011 at 8:38 am
You People are giving Cable credit for an avg season (8-8), and you are ignoring the fact that we should have made the POs, but we didn’t due to Cable & Marshall.
We had enough talent to win 4 more games.
-AZ: we had enough time to take a few shots at a TD since our K missed 2 FGs already.
-SF: nothing needs to be said here.
-Miami: he started Garbagekowski!
-Tenn: he started Veldheer at C, and didn’t give him enough snaps in preseason at that position.
12-4 and we go to the POs, or atleast 10-6 and still made the POs.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:40 am
And since when did Cable become this great motivator?????
GIVE ME A FREAKIN’ BREAK!!!! Did you EVER hear this guy speak. LMAO!!!! There’s nothing great about that.
IF he was such a great motivator, why would this team come out so damn flat vs Miami, Tenn, SF etc?????
Get the f’k outta here! Great motivator. HA
January 17th, 2011 at 8:41 am
Cable & Marshall DESTROYED this season. Lal and Rolle helped too.
All 4 should be fired! 2 fired, so 2 more to go.
Fire Lal and Rolle!!!!
January 17th, 2011 at 8:42 am
What owner has disputes like this with two straight head coaches?
Only Davis. He’s too old and infirm to interfere on a daily basis anymore, so he sits up in his box and stews over everything his coaches do. If a coach shows any independence at all, he’s bound to get fined and fired.
Who can satisfy Davis if Cable couldn’t? Good luck to Jackson, who has to win right away with Davis’ favorite players and Davis’ favorite offensive and defensive schemes — while giving all the credit to Davis.
If Jackson misses the mark in any area, he’ll be out.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Truth is, this team had the talent to win and win big. Some games you saw it. Some games it was like WTF is going on? If Cable was so good you would see it game in and game out. No Cable is not so good to keep these boys playing at a high level. To get everything out of them every week.
Rex Ryan? Now he is good. He gets the best out of his players almost every damn week. Mike Tomlin? Yeah he is really good. Bill Bilichick? Certainly.
Tom Cable? Not in your wildest dreams.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:43 am
what r u in grade school? you are calling us out by calling us cable crybabies? are you serious, man if you don’t have something intelligent to say stfu. i know i should feel sorry for you but you make me want to beat the crap outta ya.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Who is going to scout the East West shrine game? Or the senior bowl for that matter??? Better get going AL time is not on your side.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:45 am
you mean like the tennessee game were campbell slid 10 yards before anyone was near him and took a knee at the begining of a play like a scared little boy? yeah we had a chance in that one.
January 17th, 2011 at 8:45 am
What dispute NY fan? With Kiffin he had a dispute, yes. With Cable there’s no dispute. The league fined the Raiders for Cable’s OTA practices so Davis passed the fine to the guy responsible – Tom Cable.
He directed OTAs. Why would I want to foot the bill for a HC I know is out the door and I don’t respect?
January 17th, 2011 at 8:46 am
if cable wasn’t a great motivator then why did the team solidly back him except for campbell of course?
January 17th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Cable was fined and rightfully so. If he did it again we would have lost a 4th round pick. This is serious stuff!
January 17th, 2011 at 8:47 am
I’m done talking about Cable, but you can keep crying about Cable, Kittin, Norv, etc..
Kittin is at USC, Cable is unemployed, BC is not a HC (he is an asst for the Jets), Norv is Norv, but you will keep crying. SMH
January 17th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Hobs – Don’t confuse a team likely a coach for a coach being a great motivator. They are completely different and not even close. The team loved Norv Turner at the time as well; but accepted knowledge is that Norv is an awful motivator/speaker!
January 17th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Later Gents. You too crybabies!
January 17th, 2011 at 8:50 am
who’s talking about norval? please
January 17th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Cable* crybabies!
January 17th, 2011 at 8:51 am
grow up raider o, your out of k-12 aren’t you? do you have a big boy job?
January 17th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Some of you guys really need to get over Cable though. This sht is maddenning.
Its the equivalent of crying over Todd Haley if he were canned and you were a Chiefs fan. Same situation: Weis comes in, strips him of the offense, Chiefs look a ton better, Haley gets the credit when in reality he is an awful HC.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Terrapin,
you are comparing an offense lead by Cable with players such as: Russell, Fargas, Lawton, J Walker, Watkins, Stewart, Morris, Pears, Green, Henderson (16 GS)
to an offense lead by Jackson with players such as: Campbell, McFadden (no shoulder injury or turf toe), Reece, Ford, Nmiller (healthy), Veldheer, Loper & L Walker. Satele & Murphy were much improved this season too with another year learning the Oakland Raider way
please stop!
January 17th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Hey Tim Kawakami,
Given the upcoming (relatively rare) opportunity to ask direct questions to Raiders gm/owner Al Davis, I really hope you take this opportunity to ask a pointed question or two.
Painful as it has been most of the time, I have been a very long-time Raider fan. Like many others I’m completely fed up, especially after the perceived promise of 2010. (That 31-10 KC win seems like it happened when dinosaurs roamed the earth.)
Anyhow, PLEASE ask all-powerful Al this question, or something akin to it….
“MR DAVIS, GIVEN THE POOR RESULTS AND CONTINUAL SELF-IMPOSED ORGANIZATIONAL UPHEAVAL WITNESSED OVER THE PAST 8 YEARS, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU, THE OWNER/GM, TAKE ON FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ON-FIELD FAILURES EXPERIENCED SINCE 2003?”
Simple…to the point….unassailable facts.
Can you represent many of the (tired and fed up) Raider nation on this one one?
Much thanks,
-Tuckrulefool
Note: This was also emailed to Jerry, M Poole and a few other Bay area beat writers. I figure Kawakami is the only one with a big enough pair to actually ask this (or something like it). We shall see. I am sick of the old an continually shifting blame. If you are going to RUN the ENTIRE show you also go down and ADMIT that you suq too!
You cant have it both ways ancient Al!
PS LMAO post 368. Right on, brother!
January 17th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Terrapin,
what do you make of Hue Jackson being a former QB Coach & WR Coach in the NFL, played QB himself in college. Then benches Campbell 3 times for Gradkowski? Starts DHB, despite his ability to run routes or catch the football? Passing offense ranked 23rd despite MAJOR personnel upgrades? what about all the drops & penalties? Al Davis handed HIM the keys to the offense.
Blaming Cable for everything that went wrong while giving Jackson credit for everything that went right is irresponsible. Stuff like that will have your semi-pro tag removed!
Neither one of these guys had control over the 53 man roster. So really, Al Davis gets the credit imo
Ted Tollner’s offense could have netted us 8 wins last year!!!
January 17th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Broh if Al thought Cable was such a great HC he would have kept him. He didn’t even hesitate and that’s the bottom line.
And yes, I am certainly comparing the two. BTW – Morris, Pears, Green & Henderson were all Cable’s projects.
If you don’t want to compare the two, then just compare his offense’s production to Kiffins. We went from
17.7 ppg to 12.3 FOR CRYIN’ OUT LOUD!!!
TOP 6 RUSHING TO 21st in the league
NEED I SAY MORE???? Man, you simply cannot ignore that. That production. That’s all it comes down to. If you prefer to compare it to Kiffin era, please feel free to do so. Its still pathetic.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Wow, I havent seen this much anti-Al in a long time. Looks like a lot of us reached a breaking point on Al somewhere in the past few years. Sincerely, no longer a Sheep!
January 17th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Can the 3 loyal Hue Jack defenders on here explain the following?
Hue owned the offense and called the plays. Where was his offense in these losses?
13-38 Tenn
9-17 SF
3-35 Pitt
10 – 33 Mia (Ford ST TD)
19-31 Indy (Ford ST TD)
5 out of 8 losses his offense was a no show??? but it’s all Cable’s fault right?
January 17th, 2011 at 9:16 am
I’ve already touched on that. I said before I’ll take Hue’s word for the 1st benching of Campbell that he was behind it. (And I thought it was the right move then). But we all know how Cable backed Grads and we now know he likely wanted Grads over Campbell with the owner ‘forcing’ Campbell on him. I don’t recall Hue being so gun-ho about Campbell’s benching subsequent times it occurred – definitely not vs Miami. So I cannot say it was his call then or just TCs.
Since when did we have ‘major’ upgrades at WR? Did I miss something? I could’ve sworn that was the same crew.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:17 am
if Al thought Cable was such a great HC he would have kept him. He didn’t even hesitate and that’s the bottom line.
And yes, I am certainly comparing the two. BTW – Morris, Pears, Green & Henderson were all Cable’s projects.
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so whatever Al says or thinks is correct & proper?
come on bro! you can’t be serious … Al Davis used to be a legend, but now he’s an embarassment
How do you know which players were projects and which ones weren’t? Al Davis makes every roster move and signs every paycheck. Cable has never been on record to lobby for ANY PLAYER (correct me if i’m wrong).
Jackson was dealt a better hand than Cable was. Thats the only difference between the two as OC/play caller
and besides, how many egghead coordinators or position coaches make good Head Coaches when the promotion comes about?
January 17th, 2011 at 9:22 am
And btw the passing offense went from 29th to 23th …150ypg to almost 200ypg. It was improvement nonetheless.
But what matters more are points. (And AIG please save me from you dribble. Don’t even reply with those BS so called statistics.) The ppg went from 12 to over 20. That is the bottom line.
Nothing was perfect and Hue should be justly criticized for things that went wrong but overall the production was centuries ahead of TCs offense.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:24 am
we all know how Cable backed Grads and we now know he likely wanted Grads over Campbell with the owner ‘forcing’ Campbell on him. I don’t recall Hue being so gun-ho about Campbell’s benching subsequent times it occurred – definitely not vs Miami. So I cannot say it was his call then or just TCs.
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propaganda!
as for the WR/TE upgrades: DHB was healthy this season. Zmiller missed a few games, but didn’t have 3 concussions like last season! Nick Miller & Johnnie Lee Higgins were healthy. Nmiller missed all of last season with shin splints or something and JLH got his bell rung against SD. Murphy had fewer drops and ran crisper routes, but still needs some work. Chaz was still a no show, but he contributed more in the last 2 games than Javon Walker did in ALL of 2009 in Al’s doghouse. Jacoby Ford was a real find, especially for a 4th round rookie. Can you ignore that? Would you have rather kept Watkins around another year?
January 17th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Terrapin,
Tell you what. I’ll play by your rule. You and JonTrain talk a lot about PPG. Fine.
Why dont you explain where was the PPG during 5 of our 8 losses? Hue’s offense was a no show for more than 50% of our losses. What happened?
January 17th, 2011 at 9:26 am
hey all u hold on cable did his best to win with what we got we needed a vet wr did al get us one no but cable didnt throw al under the bus and say im working with what al want
January 17th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Seriously Terrapin, I was wrong about you.
You’re actually a very loyal Al Davis Sheep. I thought you were only loyal to Maryland players but you’re more of an Al Davis Sheep than you know.
BUT WE ALL HAVE OUR BREAKING POINT WITH AL. Yours will come sooner than later. That I am certain of.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Are you kiddin’ me? Cable was all over Morris. Absolutely loved the guy. He had him playing both Center and Gaurd. Green, CC, et al were brought in the run Cables system – ZBS! Kwame Harris is a known Tom Cable call!!! He wanted him and we sufferred for it!!
Com’on broh …why do I even need to remind you of this? This are known facts.
Lets see: Norv Turner, Art Shell (love the guy but still), Tom Cable …these all seems like good fires to me ..now on the flip side of the coin they were terrible hires!
January 17th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Terrapin,
so you’re ignoring all personnel changes to give Hue Jax credit for the improvement in yards & points?
sounds like bias. How do you know Cable couldn’t have done the same or better with the same supporting cast?
We’ll never know, but you’re ASSUMING Hue Jackson made all the difference. I’m not buying it. Hue was a garbage OC in Washington & Atlanta. He hasn’t changed much. Seriously! Saddle this guy with JaMarcus at QB and see what happens …
January 17th, 2011 at 9:30 am
wants
January 17th, 2011 at 9:32 am
My breaking point with Al was when he fired Kiffin. He had everyone buy into Kiffin and thne fired him. But as that sht starting coming to light and time matures you simply move on.
I always that TC was an idiot …really, not too long after being announced interim coach. Thought he would have been fired last year.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Are you kiddin’ me? Cable was all over Morris. Absolutely loved the guy. He had him playing both Center and Gaurd. Green, CC, et al were brought in the run Cables system – ZBS! Kwame Harris is a known Tom Cable call!!! He wanted him and we sufferred for it!!
Com’on broh …why do I even need to remind you of this? This are known facts.
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your opinion does not pass as fact.
Also, I’ve noticed all of your examples are O-Lineman and we probably have the best run blocking OL in football.
Does Cable get the credit or the blame?
January 17th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Still havent heard on where the PPG was during 5 of our 8 losses.
I’ll wait patiently on you and Jon Train since you both loved the PPG total.
Hue is the man right?
January 17th, 2011 at 9:35 am
We’ll never know, but you’re ASSUMING Hue Jackson made all the difference. I’m not buying it. Hue was a garbage OC in Washington & Atlanta. He hasn’t changed much. Seriously! Saddle this guy with JaMarcus at QB and see what happens …
smart cuz soon as jafats left we are a .500 team that was half of our problems right there
January 17th, 2011 at 9:36 am
AIG,
props to you for picking Pittsburgh early in the season to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. I don’t see the Jets stopping them. the Jets beat New England by being tougher and more physical. Good Luck doing that against Dick LeBeau’s defense!
January 17th, 2011 at 9:38 am
“How do you know Cable couldn’t have done the same or better with the same supporting cast?”
I dont have to. Just compare his production to Kiffins. That was largely the same supporting cast, right? So you can either look at pre-Cable or post-Cable; the story remains the same. And I don’t know how you can ignore that.
So please tell me, did Cable produce more or less than Kiffin? Did Cable produce more or less than Hue?
Man you can come up with all the twist you want to but its all about production. Cable is like a f’kn Oreo. Cable is in the middle and two guys are on both sides and they both did better than him.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:38 am
RRS,
I hate the effin Steelers. Their fans here in Memphis are so arrogant and annoying. That said. The Steelers should send a thank you card to Rex Ryan for taking out their worst nitemare…the Patriots.
It sucks to see that the Steelers may win their 7th SB title. The only team that can take them out is GreenBay. I can’t see the Jets or Bears taking these guys down. Jets vs Steelers is going to be another physical game. Wow.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:40 am
“You can’t just give them one thing all the time. Mix your coverages, mix your blitzes, mix your pressures, all that kind of stuff. Against these great quarterbacks, that’s what you have to do.” ~ Rex Ryan
January 17th, 2011 at 9:42 am
OH NOOOO! The sky is falling because the ex (emergency stop gap)coach was fined and the punter’s not happy. What are we to do? I guess we can promote a stud coordinator to HC, have a second consecutive A+ rated draft, out bid the field for 21 and 96, franchise or agree to terms with 92, send 66 and 70 to retirement, let the new CBA handle the situation with 80 and 29, and sweep the AFC West agin next year. Just a thought.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:44 am
“Also, I’ve noticed all of your examples are O-Lineman and we probably have the best run blocking OL in football.
Does Cable get the credit or the blame?”
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WTF dude? You’re losing me here! I’m about to abandon this convo altogether because you are seriously reaching for straws.
Cable’s system is a ZONE BLOCKING SCHEME. More or less, strictly ZB, kapeesh!
Hue came in an INSTALLED!!! a POWER BLOCKING SCHEME!!! with a mix, kapeesh!!!
When Cable had the offense, AS I HAVE SAID 1000 TIMES!!! we STUNK at run blocking. We were 21st in the damn league man!!! What about 21st makes you think we were so dman good????
Yes, we WERE good when Kiffin ran the offense; but we were NOT when Cable ran it. And we got better than BOTH when Hue ran it. KAPEEESH!
January 17th, 2011 at 9:45 am
I think Hue Jackson will be a good coach, but we aren’t going very far until we get a great quarterback.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:45 am
482~then we still gotta deal with al davis’ predictable schemes, that’s why we didn’t go to the playoffs.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Cable is in the middle and two guys are on both sides and they both did better than him
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You should seriously stop acting the fool. WTF has Kitten ever achieved? 5 W 15 Losses, 25% winning %. And you think Kitten was better.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:49 am
I dont have to. Just compare his production to Kiffins. That was largely the same supporting cast, right?
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No, it wasn’t. McCown & Culpepper played QB for Kiffin and the WR’s were Porter, Curry, Lelie & Dwight…
Stop it Terrapin!
January 17th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Kiffin could have done better, if he was given a free hand. He wanted to draft Calvin Johnson instead of Russell. That alone would have made us a much better team.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Hey. Here are some points:
If cable was so pissed why didn’t he quit? i heard his last interview and he said that he wanted to be the coach of the Oakland Raiders.
I think/know, that the fines had more to do with Randy Hansen then the loss of otas.
I thought the issue was that Al was telling him (or any coach) how to coach, if he isn’t speaking to him, what gives…isn’t that a good thing?
Al’s “just win baby” really means “just win MY WAY baby.”
And last: every one was talking about the qbs in the playoffs. But seems to me that there are coaches left over qbs now. Do you think that Cable was the coach that could compete with those guys? I am not so sure.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:52 am
OK, AIG. I just don’t have the time to entertain your dribble. So this is the losses for your digestion break it down however you like because I know you would be estatic to do so.
Tennesee: 13 vs 38
Arizone: 23 vs 24
Houston: 24 vs 31
San Fran: 9 vs 17
Pitts: 3 vs 35
Miami: 17 vs 33
Jacksonville: 31 vs 38
Indy: 26 vs 31
So in 4 of our 8 losses we score less than 20pts. In 6 of our 8 losses the defense allows more than 30pts. Look at it however you like.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:55 am
486.aig-raiders Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Cable is in the middle and two guys are on both sides and they both did better than him
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You should seriously stop acting the fool. WTF has Kitten ever achieved? 5 W 15 Losses, 25% winning %. And you think Kitten was better.
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I’m talking about the offense’s production you idiot. I thought you were the ameatur statistician? Look it up why don’t you. Better rushing game, more ppg, same lousy passing ypg I believe.
January 17th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Cable’s system is a ZONE BLOCKING SCHEME. More or less, strictly ZB, kapeesh!
Hue came in an INSTALLED!!! a POWER BLOCKING SCHEME!!! with a mix, kapeesh!!!
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LOL!
Terrapin,
perhaps it was Veldheer at LT and Gallery being healthy at LG? Walker at RT.
are you sure it’s all scheme?
as I’ve said repeatedly, McFadden was healthy(er) and Fargas was out of the mix at RB. Reece at FB
here you go again!
January 17th, 2011 at 9:55 am
@kirk
kiffin was garbage!
January 17th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Terrapin,
Why are you talkign about the defense? BTW, Ford scored KO TDs against MIami and Indy. Are you going to give that credit to Hue too?
You havent answered why Hue’s offense was a no show for 5 of our 8 losses? You’ve blamed us not making the playoff on Cable but your boy Hue couldnt produce points to even allow us to compete. I’ll wait patiently for some coherent thoughts from you. You guys bragged about ppg but where were they in our losses?
January 17th, 2011 at 10:01 am
AD didn’t come out flat against SF, Pitt and Miami. AD didn’t miss the kick vs AZ. AD didn’t get his head kicked in on run D vs TN, Houston, JVille and Indy. AD didn’t get his ass kicked in pass protection vs Pitt. We didn’t make the playoffs because 2010 was a YOUNG team with a new offense and a new QB and Cable wasn’t good enough to make it work.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:02 am
I’m not saying Cable was a good Head Coach
I’m not saying Cable was a good play caller
I’m not even saying Cable was a good O-Line Coach
1. he ran things the Al Davis way to perfection
2. his players loved him and PLAYED for him
3. continuity is important
4. Hue Jackson isn’t a serious HC candidate for anybody except Al Davis (SF used him to satisfy the rooney rule only according to Roto World)
January 17th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Simply illogical. You guys will conjure up any excuse you can for Cable. At the end of the day thats all it is, is an excuse for why he didn’t produce this or that. The truth of the matter is as much as the players and the fans may have liked him; he really was not that good.
Enjoy the rest of your miserable offseason. Mine is just fine
January 17th, 2011 at 10:05 am
@aig-raiders
the offense would have been better if we had better players or that our players were not making plays you numb nut!! i mean we have good offensive players but not compared to great offensive teams in the NFL. . start with our O-Line! we need way better protection. campbell never has time to throw a pass! receivers do not get open fast enough! there is a lot of things need for improvement! we can only hope hue is gonna get better with the raiders and make them better team he has only been on the team 1 year!
January 17th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Enjoy the rest of your miserable offseason
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perhaps you enjoy losing?
nice of you to cry uncle and avoid the tough questions Terrapin! next time come prepared
January 17th, 2011 at 10:08 am
AIG,
1 Hue Jax boot licker down. nice work!
January 17th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Singletary nears deal with Vikings
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal (PFT)
Nearly two weeks after the possibility of Mike Singletary to the Vikings was first floated, it looks like a deal is near.
Jason La Canfora of NFL Network says that Singletary is expected to join Leslie Frazier’s staff as a linebackers coach. A deal is being worked on. The Vikings were hoping to make some staff announcements early this week, including at offensive coordinator.
Fred Pagac is expected to be named the team’s defensive coordinator.
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is Al Davis still asleep?
get this guy in here to replace Mike Haluchek!
I highly doubt this guy sticks around if John Marshall doesn’t …
January 17th, 2011 at 10:17 am
For all of the arguing for/against Cable, for/against Hue Jackson, nit picking on play calling in this game or that… The constant so far this off season is “same shzt, different year.” Al Davis hasn’t demonstrated much ability as a manager over the past 8-9 years specifically and for more than 20 years in general. It looked like he might be pulling out of that last year, actually building on the year before, but he seems to be back to the scatter-gun approach to management again. Only next year’s results will tell, but this off season so far isn’t encouraging.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Mike Tomlin wasn’t a serious candidate for anyone either. Neither was Jim Caldwell, Raheem Morris or Leslie Frazier. Nor was Mike Singletary if we’re keeping it real. I don’t care if Cable was loved by Lechler, Gallery, Zach and Ricky Brown. Shane and Zach will get over it. Bob G and Ricky B are lucky to be here. No one else is crying about it. Trust me on this one. The last HC I liked this much before his first day on the job was Gruden. If we get a DC that is allowed to bring pressure, we are going to the playoffs this year.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:17 am
@RRS,
thanks man. Just keepin them honest…
@Raider510
I have frickin clue what you’re trying to get at. The discussion is ppg that these guys were touting for Hue while blaming Cable for not taking us to the playoff. 5 out of 8 losses Hue’s offense was a no show. That’s the bottomline.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Sean McDermott, anyone?
January 17th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Jay Gruden, the younger brother of Jon Gruden, is a candidate to become the Panthers’ quarterbacks coach
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if Hue gets bumped to HC, is this our new OC or “Passing Game Coordinator” ???
January 17th, 2011 at 10:24 am
The constant so far this off season is “same shzt, different year.” Al Davis hasn’t demonstrated much ability as a manager over the past 8-9 years specifically and for more than 20 years in general. It looked like he might be pulling out of that last year, actually building on the year before, but he seems to be back to the scatter-gun approach to management again. Only next year’s results will tell, but this off season so far isn’t encouraging.
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Agreed! Well said man …
January 17th, 2011 at 10:24 am
RRS,
What do you think of Al Saunders? I think he can be good for us if he is allowed to call plays.
As for Sean McDermot,I would love to have him if he dares to call blitzes and willing to put up with Al’s wrath.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:28 am
In our 6 divisional games, you have to say our offensive line certainly won their battle in just about damn near all 6 games.
Certainly the Denver games, the 2nd SD game and the 2nd KC game. They didn’t just win, they blew them out the water. Our O-line COMPLETELY DOMINATED all 4 of those games.
And really, the first KC and SD games, they didn’t play all that bad either.
#1 key to 2011 for Hue and Al Saunders, continue the dominance of a strong O-line and McFadden in division games.
We will certainly see if Cable knew the what the hell he was doing with the O-line.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:29 am
why don’t we go get us some ravens assistant or marvin lewis protege for d coordinator? Hue has connections at both places.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Hell, wasn’t bresnehan a d coordinator with the bengals…lets bring that guy back with his sticks defence and color cards..just kidding.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Al Saunders will be a great, great fit with his offense. Also, Campbell has worked with him while in Redskins. Let’s see what Al D has in store for us this week.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:32 am
What do you think of Al Saunders? I think he can be good for us if he is allowed to call plays.
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Al Saunders is a well respected coach and play caller. I can’t see him & Hue Jax being able to coexist with Saunders serving as a glorified QB or WR coach like Ted Tollner … I don’t think he’d even take the job. and I think we can all agree that despite production Hue Jax is only being considered for the HC job because Al thinks he’s found the next Tony Dungy and Hue is practically begging for the job, no matter who little pay or control is offered.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:33 am
AIG:
I’m glad someone on here hates the Sh#$tsburgh Queer-lers as much as me!! I’m sure their fans are cocky anywhere you go, just like the Massengill breaths here in central PA. What people dont realize is that when the Queer-lers really sucked in the 80’s, their “loyal” fanbase talked them down so bad and many became Ill-gals and 49ers fans somehow. Their fans are F-in WEAK!!
I would rather cut off my genitals with a pair of dull scissors than route for those ‘Richard-craniums’!!
Looks like I’m routing for the Pack to win it all….
GO RAIDERS!!!
January 17th, 2011 at 10:34 am
I wonder what other team sites argue about in the off season? doesn’t the conversation in here remind everyon of every off season since this site started? Maybe that indicates something about the franchise.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Best case scenario is Al Saunders calling plays, and Hue Jackson coaching up his “specialty” the offense, and really doing his Tom Cable impression only better.
If Saunders is calling the plays, you know Hue is not doing anything different with the defense, and he will soon become the timeout-coordinator.
Cable’s gig was the O-line, Hue’s is WR’s and QB’s.
Maybe he can get DHB to get us more than one TD a year.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:35 am
LOL. Get the fuk’ outta here! 1 boot licker down? LOL…
You guys just dont knnow how idiotic you sound. You completely ignore what ppl are explaining to you and claim some kind of superiority in argument.
Try playing that game with someone else. Not here, chumps. LOL. 1 boot licker down. LOL.
The evidence that Hue is a better OC is right in front of you, yet you ignore it. Now the subjective question is would he be a better HC. Thats where I submit that I believe he will because Cable was just that awful. Don’t be blinded by an 8-8 record. The first “none” losing year lol. Get a grip!
Tom ‘freakin’ Cable. HA. I can’t believe we are even discussing this. Tom ‘freakin’ Cable. Get a clue ppl.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Why did we magically deserve to go 10-6? Because we pounded the Chiefs? You think Browns fans are complaining they should be in the playoff because they pounded the Patriots?
We had the 19th best QB in football; one of the worst receiving corps in football, and one of the worst pass-blocking links in football.
That is not some magical 10-6 team.
How we looked against legit playoff teams (Steelers and Colts) shows us we were nowhere near a playoff team.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:39 am
hope evrybody’s had a chance to read Jason Whitlock’s writing about the Belicheats in the aftermath of the game yesterday.
that little rodent Welker might well have tipped the scales against his team by opening his mouth.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:41 am
@RRS
@AIG
1 Hue Jax boot licker down?
yall r too funny man.
If someone says they prefer Hue to Cable he’s a bootlicker? I don’t understand why you take things that people say and blow them out of proportion, and then act like children declaring “victory”
For the last (well, probly not last) time: I don’t think Hue is a savior or hero. I just think he’ll do better than Tom Cable.
And AIG, where was the PPG in those losses? That’s a silly question. They weren’t there. We got out coached and out played. A couple of those games we failed to show up at all. You wanna blame those losses on Hue and Hue alone? Go ahead.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Saw a cnnsi mock draft that has D-lineman going 3 of the first 4 picks, and 4 of the first 8.
That’s the new gig in the NFL, D-lineman.
Doesn’t matter who you have at Tackle when facing these elite guys. They just shove around whoever is there, sometimes 2 guys. Pro Bowlers like Mankins and Oher just got pushed all over the field this weekend.
Re-signing Seymour has to be at the top of the list this offseason.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:42 am
lonetree where is it?
January 17th, 2011 at 10:42 am
for all the moaning y’all do ’bout da Raiduhs and all the tortuous blather y’all fling at one another in here sounds like many of you have your own overhead projectors always on standby to be used against whomever displeases you.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:43 am
RSS,
Al thinks he found the next “Tony Dungy”?
OK I see where u comin from.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:43 am
I don’t think Hue is a savior or hero. I just think he’ll do better than Tom Cable
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JONTRAIN, better than 8-8 next season?
I don’t see it, but I hope you’re right!
January 17th, 2011 at 10:44 am
RaiderGuy,
go to foxsports.com
click on “writers”
Jason Whitlock
January 17th, 2011 at 10:44 am
thanks.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Jontrain,
You were blaming our lack of playoff appearance on Marshall’s D yesterday and found the only stat you “thought” you could brag about PPG.
Well Hue’s ppg disappeared in 5 of 8 losses. Are you sure you know what you are talking about when you blamed Marshall for not getting us to the playoff?
January 17th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Lonetree cracks me up with things like #523
January 17th, 2011 at 10:48 am
# M Lonetree Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 10:39 am
hope evrybody’s had a chance to read Jason Whitlock’s writing about the Belicheats in the aftermath of the game yesterday.
that little rodent Welker might well have tipped the scales against his team by opening his mouth.
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Great article – and no one on this earth is happier that the Pats got beat than I am. Although he sounds like the Pats run is over, I really doubt that.
It was great to seem them get humbled though, I giggled like a little girl for hours!
January 17th, 2011 at 10:49 am
And AIG, where was the PPG in those losses? That’s a silly question.
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Wow, it sure wasnt silly for you yesterday when you were bragging about Hue’s ppg and blaming Marshall for our losses. I guess it’s only silly when you can’t defend your position.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Jontrain,
You were blaming our lack of playoff appearance on Marshall’s D yesterday and found the only stat you “thought” you could brag about PPG.
Well Hue’s ppg disappeared in 5 of 8 losses. Are you sure you know what you are talking about when you blamed Marshall for not getting us to the playoff?
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That’s exactly what I’m talking about. I never blamed Marshall for us not getting to the playoffs. Now ur being disrepectful to the debate.
U r simply lying.
You make schyt up to try and win arguments. Its ridiculous
Show me my post where I blamed Marshall for not making the playoffs. I’ll wait.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:52 am
The evidence that Hue is a better OC is right in front of you, yet you ignore it.
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now thats a general statement if I’ve ever seen one!
what have you brought forth that I’ve ignored?
the only one avoiding Hue’s faults is YOU.
I’m not a Tom Cable supporter, thats well documented.
I just don’t think Hue Jax is HC material and I think he’s getting WAY too much credit for the offensive improvements made in 2010. Thats my opinion and I’ve done a pretty doggone good job of explaining things for ya. Remain in the dark if you wish
January 17th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Wow AIG u just get more retarded everyday!!!
January 17th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Vegas,
jus’ doin’ my part.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:54 am
The only potential issue with Al Saunders as OC is his playbook is supposed to be very big (around 700 pages) with a lot of formations, pre-snap shifts and motions. Given how terrible our WRs are (so many times this season they never used to line up properly), they need to be coached by someone other than Lal. Maybe Hue can help there.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:56 am
I’m not a Tom Cable supporter, thats well documented.
I just don’t think Hue Jax is HC material and I think he’s getting WAY too much credit for the offensive improvements made in 2010. Thats my opinion and I’ve done a pretty doggone good job of explaining things for ya. Remain in the dark if you wish
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I disagree, but I can respect that. So why not just leave it at that?
I only get upset when people start making things up, twisting stats, and outright lying.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:56 am
The only potential issue with Al Saunders as OC is his playbook
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and Jason Campbell having to learn YET ANOTHER one!
January 17th, 2011 at 10:57 am
that whitlock article reminds me of the way the raiders used to do it. Madden and flores weren’t ryan, but the team was the same.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:01 am
JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Hues our man now. And rightfully so.
J Marshall is gone. And rightfully so
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190.JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Top 8 defenses in terms of PPG all went to the playoffs
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236.JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Talk to me about points, moron. For real, for once, answer one of my posts when I ask you a driect question.
What did Hue and Marshall do in terms of PPG?
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JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
AIG,
My whole mantra on every single post has been: POINTS MATTER
It’s a bottom line league, and the bottom line is score more points, and allow less
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JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I never said Hue was a savior. I said he’s good, and certainly better than Cable. I never said Marshall was a bum. I said he didn’t produce results simlar to Hue
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189.JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Raiders Defense PPG:
2010: 23.2 (20th)
2009: 23.7 (23rd)
2008: 24.2 (24th)
2007: 24.9 (26th)
We need someone to improve the bottom line the same way Hue just did with the offense
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Jon, I think this is enough? Have a good day. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!
January 17th, 2011 at 11:01 am
The only potential issue with Al Saunders as OC is his playbook
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and Jason Campbell having to learn YET ANOTHER one!
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Jason Campbell has worked with Al Saunders for two years (2006-07) while with the Redskins and it should help.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Jon,
5 out of 8 losses, Hue’s PPG disappeared. But hey, it’s all Marshall’s faults right?
January 17th, 2011 at 11:05 am
OMG u gotta be kidding me. So that’s me blaming John Marshall for us not getting to the playoffs?
Wow….just..wow
Ur exactly the type of childish moron I spoke of when I got on this board.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:06 am
I’m not buying it. Hue was a garbage OC in Washington & Atlanta. He hasn’t changed much. Seriously!
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Seriously, Hue wasn’t an OC in Washington and Atlanta. This was his first OC gig.
I don’t know why the impending Hue Jackson hire has become a pissing match, although I suppose everything eventually does around here. But he’s no more or less qualified than Cable was when Cable took over. Nobody knows what the guy can do, but if he can command the respect of the players that’ll be a start. He’s not even hired yet, we don’t know what his staff is going to look like, and we don’t know how the draft will go with him in Al’s ear. So all we can do is wait and see.
What we DO know is that if anything is hampering this team, it’s the unwillingness of Al Davis to let his coaches do their jobs.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:07 am
The reason we didn’t get to the playoffs is cuz we didnt have enuff talent at QB, WR, OL, and LB.
It’s not any one person’s fault, and I never said it was.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:08 am
And again Jon, don’t you realize the OC gets to run it his way, while the DC is pressured to run it Al’s way? How can you compare them equally?
We just had the best defense here since 2002. That’s the comparison, as every DC brought in has to do it Al’s way.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:09 am
We have a HC yet?
January 17th, 2011 at 11:11 am
@Alex,
Yeah I get that. I actually liked John Marshall a lot. But for all the improvements in the D, which were noticeable to the whole Raider Nation, we simply gave up too many points (about the same amount for the past few years). So i can see why his contract wasn’t renewed. That’s all.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Is everyone still blind enough to keep doubting the Jets? They already went into Pittsburgh and beat them, what’s all this hype about? Rex Ryan is a leader, and most importantly a mastermind with the X and O’s. I been believing in them since Hard Knocks, no reason to stop now.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Jon,
Dont even dare back track now, It will only show you as the little weasel that you are. Below is a series of questions I had for you and you answered them. You can easily see the timestamp on each of the responses.
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174.aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:34 am
JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Hues our man now. And rightfully so.
J Marshall is gone. And rightfully so
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Care to explain your opinions above? Since you proclaimed to be so smart, I look forward to your answer.
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189.JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:45 am
For my little buddy AIG…
JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 5:53 am
Raiders Defense PPG:
2010: 23.2 (20th)
2009: 23.7 (23rd)
2008: 24.2 (24th)
2007: 24.9 (26th)
We need someone to improve the bottom line the same way Hue just did with the offense
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190.JONTRAIN Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Top 8 defenses in terms of PPG all went to the playoffs
January 17th, 2011 at 11:14 am
How was our run D this year?
How many time has Marshall governed over a Run D that was bottom 1/3rd in the NFL?
Nuff said. Bring on the next DC. Marshall had to go, just like Cable.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Oh but wait…if we get rid of 3 missed tackles by Huff, and 2 P.I.’s by Routt, and that ejection of Seymour…Ok, carry the one….add 5….subtract 3…I GOT IT!
Those plays actually “deflated” John Marshall’s number’s! So in “reality”…our defense was third best in the league!!!
(This is the type of nonsense I’ve been dealing with. Uy yuy yuy…….)
January 17th, 2011 at 11:14 am
For Hue to put up the top-10 offense that he did, DESPITE us having a bad QB and opponents knowing we needed to run the ball, is great coaching.
Jason had 5 meltdown performances, par for his career. Coaches benched him a few times, that’s all you can do. Al’s fault for having a subpar QB 6 years in a row now.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Our Run D was as lousy as our passing O. Both ended in the bottom 3rd of the league as has been the case for the past 7 years.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:16 am
437.TerrapinRaider Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Let me set this story straight. Cable assumed the HC role and proceeded to 4-8. The following year he goes something like 5-11. In the procees we go from a Top 6 rushing team to 21st in the league! That’s with the same studs in the backfield, with his OLine which he had 3yrs to mold.
Cable was a awful playcaller and didn’t understand the strengths of his team (or weakness). He forced the issue. He wanted to do what HE wanted to do; not what was best for the team. I REMEMBER SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER AT THAT TIME RIGHT HERE ON THIS BOARD!!
When he got the job he emphatically said ‘we are going to throw it’ completely ignoring what the team was great at doing which was running. Low-n-behold the results.
EVERYONE THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BE FIRED!!! But the players wanted continuity for continuity’s sake and they got it. Only caveat was Davis only continue with Cable if he was relieved of his command of that offense.
In comes Hue Jackson. He restores that offense
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Spot on Terrapin – Not bad for a Turttle!
January 17th, 2011 at 11:16 am
I hate the Jets, but not as much as I hate the Steelers.
Go Bears!
or
Go Packers!
January 17th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Ok OK!!! i am finally ready to admit it – The Old Man is out of his friggin’ mind and we will never win a Championship again unless by accident. Had he been only HALF Crazy or the last 20 years we would have no doubt added at least 3 more trophies to the collection. What a SHAME and a pitiful waste of talent and tradition.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:17 am
I can read just fine. You are making an inference that simply wasn’t there. I never said John Marshall was responsible. That’s crazy.
There’s literally dozens of reasons why. And that was part of the problem.
But you try and twist my words and then call me a weasal? Ur nuts.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I dont need to twist your words. I just use them as is since they are easier anyways. The gift that gives on giving.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Jon, appreciate your civil tone.
How do you expect any coordinator to put up a top 10 defense when they get reprimanded for blazing and playing zone, the two things every top 10 defense does?
January 17th, 2011 at 11:21 am
I still don’t think a new DC is going to change the way the Raiders play defense.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Maybe this “coaching search” is dragging on because Al has his eye on one of the bright, young assistant coaches on a team still in the playoffs?
Unfortunately it is probably Winston Moss.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Lol. Blitzing, not blazing.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:27 am
man coverage for life.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Jon Train why keep arguing with Aig if you think he’s a retard? It’s like a “smart” person complaining about watching Jackass.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Alex the exception to your philosophy about zone and blitzing is the packers and jets. They play primarily man too, but their just not stubborn enough to stick with it if it’s not working, or, they’re are smart enough to know when to switch it up. Wish we could say the same about Al.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:36 am
@Alex7
I’m not saying its easy, trust me.
First things first (which has nothing to do with coaching:
A continued influx of talent on both sides of the ball. Lets not pretend that we have the personnel to run our scheme well enuff to be a premier D, just yet. Although we r getting closer. We shoulda been able to hold teams under 20 more often, IMO
2)If the DC has the type of nuts to run the D he wants in spots, and it works. He’d undoubtedly be putting his job on the line, I know.
3) Stop those g**D*mn miscommunications in the secondary.
That has a great deal to do with coaching. I don’t wanna hear about
Sanjay. The DC is responsible for the final product.
4) When you do blitz, train your players how to disguise it
5) When you do blitz, don’t run the same da*n blitz everytime!
And these are just off the top of my head. To me they seem pretty basic
January 17th, 2011 at 11:39 am
2011 Task List for Al:
1. Sign Seymour, Nnamdi, Bush and Zach;
2. Give HC job to HueJack — he wants it; nobody else does; that, plus continuity;
3. Re-do will, and make sure that Herrera and Hansen are stricken from the records;
4. Attend anger management meetings with Tom Cable, as a co-dependent
5. Win a championship – die a happy man
January 17th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Al didn’t talk to the HC since OTAs!! Waaaa weeee
Al keeps telling the HC what to do!!! Waaaa weeee
Keep Crying!!!!
January 17th, 2011 at 11:41 am
@Raider510
Ur right. I know it’s juvenile LOL
January 17th, 2011 at 11:44 am
My concern is less with the man coverage and more with the lack of gap discipline on the defensive line.
Add another top-tier cornerback and all man-to-man coverage isn’t such a crazy idea. We’ve all seen how even the best QBs have struggled when the Raiders CBs have been able to play physical football and disrupt the timing of the offense (Stanford Routt, however, is simply not physical enough for this system – and in this defense you’re only as strong as your weakest link).
The fatal flaw of this defense, however, is constant over-pursuit of the ball carrier by the defensive line. Cutback runners have a field day against the Raiders because every lineman is a pass rusher, and on running plays they all run to the ball instead of maintaining their gaps and holding blocks so the linebackers can come in and make tackles.
January 17th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Campbell is finally growing a pair of scones; I think he’ll be okay as quarterback now. Defense and O-line need to add a few more pieces, and if we can get more than just ONE reception out of Chaz next year, that would be a plus. We need more Bush, more Zach and more Jacoby. Draft someone for the secondary in Round Two (or trade up). Pull for anyone but the Steelers next week!
January 17th, 2011 at 11:49 am
If you lived virtually right on top of the Hayward fault you’d probably insist on man-to-man coverage as well.
Da Greatness of Da Raiduhs is in Da Futah! (Looks like tomorrow is comin’ on fast.)
January 17th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Cable and Marshall destroyed our season, took us out of the POs, and you blame Al for firing them.
You should blame Al for hiring them!
January 17th, 2011 at 11:56 am
When you come on this blog calling “70% of the bloggers on here idiots, childish and dont know anything”, then you better be prepared to defend that statement. So far your posts dont seem to be any better than the 70% you talked down to on here.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 11:27 am
man coverage for life.
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LOL!
Also…
der blitzing ist verboten!
January 17th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
You need great corners to play man all the time.
Great corners seem to want to be put in better positions to make plays.
One great corner has left to become a playmaker elsewhere.
Another one here has talked about the lack of play-making opportunities.
Uh oh.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 11:49 am
If you lived virtually right on top of the Hayward fault you’d probably insist on man-to-man coverage as well.
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So you live on top of the Hayward Fault AND you’re a Raider fan?!
January 17th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
O, its the coaches fault that our system hasn’t stopped the run in 20 years?
It’s the coaches fault we’ve had one top QB in 20 years?
Ok.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Dakota,
Dont forget Marinelli & Perry.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Well then here’s hoping that Jeremy Ware and Walter McFadden are the second coming of Hayes/Haynes LOL
January 17th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
20 years?!
You sound like an old lady.
LMAO
January 17th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Also, on an older topic, the Patriots are up and coming. Very young team who made it this far despite a bunch of no names at RB, OLBs, CB, and S. They have young mid-round nicks littering the field, 2 first round picks, 2 second rounders, and lots if cap space. They’re not going anywhere but up as they add better players to that O and D.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
EnglandRaider,
when “The Big One” quakes the Coliseum during a game you’d better have tight man-to-man coverage ’cause the landfill under the stadium will liquify swallowing everyone up. If you’re in man-to-man at that time you’ll still be able to cover your opponent all the way to hell. In zone coverage you’d just be buried alone for all eternity.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Trust me Alex were of the same thought. This Vanilla defense is outdated, but since it won’t change what do you think the Raiders can do about it?
January 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Try to focus. We are talking about Cable, Marshall, and Al and what they did last season.
Al made great trades, HE DRAFTED well, so he did his job last season. Remember, we are talking about last season ONLY!
Cable finished 8-8, lost 2 games to the NFC west, and missed the POs by 2 games. He lost to AZ, SF, Tenn, Miami, Jax, and Texans.
Marshall’s defense was 29th against the run, and allowed 30+ points in 6 games.
The only thing I Blame Al for is keeping those 2 monkeys that long, and u blame the him for hiring them.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Patriots are extraordinarily well coached
That being said, they got out coached yesterday and it exposed a certain lack of talent
January 17th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
And I blame him for…
January 17th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Lonetree,
Not to be picky but I always thought the Hayward Fault was some ten miles east of the Coliseum.
As to land fill, the eastern five miles or so of SF is built on land fill because they needed the extra room given that the city is only 49(?) square miles.
Some of those buildings are sitting on little more than garbage.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Great teams are built throught the draft.
Another excellent draft and we’ll see more results
January 17th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
he’s no more or less qualified than Cable was when Cable took over
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YA,
so we should name Hue Jax HC of the Oakland Raiders because he’s just as qualified (not at all) as the guy we just fired ???
LOL. Please join me in this special 2011 offseason chant “SCREW HUE!”
January 17th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Now if you look beyond a single year…
Countless combinations of coaches, coordinators, and players. Same result since 2002.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
510, the only thing you can try to do is continue trying to build an all-star team to run that outdated defense. We already lead the league in payroll and need to pay Aso, Seymour, Huff, Gallery, a better CB, and a better OLB too?
Not running a simple zone you plug average players into and get our results is costing Al millions every year.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
YA,
so we should name Hue Jax HC of the Oakland Raiders because he’s just as qualified (not at all) as the guy we just fired ???
LOL. Please join me in this special 2011 offseason chant “SCREW HUE!”
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I don’t see anyone else willing to coach this team, do you?
January 17th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
EnglandRaider,
yes, the Hayward fault is located a few miles east of the Coliseum, yes. A few miles is the same as a few feet in an 8.0.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
I don’t see anyone else willing to coach this team, do you?
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Good Point. thats the best defense for Hue Jax being named HC anybody has posted since the Cable got shut off!
January 17th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
I blame Al for a of of things, but you can’t blame him for firing Cable and Marshall. They deserved to be fired. It’s a good thing. SMH
You can’t blame Al (like I do) for all the bad drafts, but credit Cable for the 2010 draft. Cable was the HC in 09, so you should blame him for that draft since you credit him for the 2010 draft. SMH again.
You should blame Al for bad management the last 8 years including hiring Cable and Marshall, but firing Cable & Marshall was the right thing to do.
Fire Lal & Rolle!
January 17th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Fire Lal & Rolle!
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Samari or Antrel?
January 17th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 10:02 am
I’m not saying Cable was a good Head Coach
I’m not saying Cable was a good play caller
I’m not even saying Cable was a good O-Line Coach
1. he ran things the Al Davis way to perfection
2. his players loved him and PLAYED for him
3. continuity is important
4. Hue Jackson isn’t a serious HC candidate for anybody except Al Davis (SF used him to satisfy the rooney rule only according to Roto World)
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There you go making sense again.
That’s pretty much how I feel but during the Kiffin chapter of the Al Davis soap opera, Cable was a pretty good OL coach and most people on here were urging that he be signed to a multi-year contract-as an OL coach.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Good Point. thats the best defense for Hue Jax being named HC anybody has posted since the Cable got shut off!
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That’s the only defense, as far as I’m concerned. If I got to play GM for a day? As soon as I saw he didn’t get hired for an HC job, I’d keep him as my offensive coordinator and start looking for a strong coach with a defensive mind who could teach this young team how to play disciplined football.
Unfortunately, this team is going to play football a certain way no matter what. Best thing you can do is find a young potential up-and-comer who can win over the locker room and keep distractions to a minimum.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Thanks Lonetree.
I used to live there at one point but I’ve lived so many places that a certain blur occurs-or maybe that’s this beer in my hand.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
If I got to play GM for a day? As soon as I saw he didn’t get hired for an HC job, I’d keep him as my offensive coordinator and start looking for a strong coach with a defensive mind who could teach this young team how to play disciplined football.
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co-sign. YA for GM!
Raider O, make him your leader!
January 17th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
579.alex7 Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
O, its the coaches fault that our system hasn’t stopped the run in 20 years?
It’s the coaches fault we’ve had one top QB in 20 years?
Ok.
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Huh?
Is Gannon – NFL MVP 2001 – not a top QB??? I know we are all frustrated with all this but we have had years where we could stop the run but nothing since we had the infamous Rob Ryan and his silly attempt to install a 3/4 and the DC’s since.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Cable was NEVER qualified to be a head coach in the NFL. He’s just an O line coach. He’s a grunt. Another Joe Bugel. A big ugly. Hip hip hooray my a$$.
He will never be an OC or a HC, or boss of any kind. He’s just an O Line coach
January 17th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Brad Rolle.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
cable might get a head coaching job for a small collage.nothing major.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
According to wiki, it’s Brad Roll.
Happy RR?
I don’t need leaders, I need money!
January 17th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
So, according to Corkran’s article, Al still mandates to the Coach which of the 53 on the roster plays, and who DOES NOT get cut from the 53 on the roster..
I’m starting believe it is time for Al to just stick with what he does best…
Getting viagra assisted boners while reading 40yd. dash times, and signing paychecks…
January 17th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
The Real MaddenRaider, there’s no point of Al hiring GM if he doesn’t give him a freelance to operate the roster, also the coach to coach in his way or a veeeery minimum, veeeery minimum meddling from Al. Unless that happens, the Raiders are nowhere. It will be same ol stupid Al, same ol losing Raiders.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
After posting the best record the Raiders have had in 7 years how does Cable not get the credit? Where did this thought that the Raiders are one of the best teams in the league come from without giving Cable any credit? The team hasn’t played this good for 7 years and it didn’t just happen because of nothing, I personally think they should have made playoffs but to say that Cable had no part in changing the losing culture of this team is ridiculous. Also, I’ll admit the first time I heard Hue speak during the offseason I wanted him to be the coach and not Cable, he was the coach that put our players in a position to actually USE their talents.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
610.Raider 510 Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
After posting the best record the Raiders have had in 7 years how does Cable not get the credit? Where did this thought that the Raiders are one of the best teams in the league come from without giving Cable any credit? The team hasn’t played this good for 7 years and it didn’t just happen because of nothing, I personally think they should have made playoffs but to say that Cable had no part in changing the losing culture of this team is ridiculous. Also, I’ll admit the first time I heard Hue speak during the offseason I wanted him to be the coach and not Cable, he was the coach that put our players in a position to actually USE their talents.
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very well put.
January 17th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Thanks Black, seriously, I’m only one person and I’m not on this board to act like my opinion is better than anyone else’s cause we’re all here and want the same thing, for the most part. But people that have their own agendas to push just to “win” arguments, at least go talk about something more important than football. And if you are talking about the Raiders then call it for what it is. By the way what do you think of Hue?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Jerry’s title to this article was ‘Raiders aren’t looking so stable any more’ …
part of the reason for that he listed was firing Tom Cable and promoting Hue Jackson to Head Coach (eventually)
yet 99 percent of 600+ comments have defended Hue Jax as HC-to-be because Al Davis thinks it’s a good idea.
Whats his track record with Head Coaches like again?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
i like hue,if hue never changes the offense cable never go`s 8-8.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
al is very good at finding coaches he just does`nt let them coach.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Oh but wait…if we get rid of 3 missed tackles by Huff, and 2 P.I.’s by Routt, and that ejection of Seymour…Ok, carry the one….add 5….subtract 3…I GOT IT!
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LOL!
January 17th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Ok what track record does John Harbaugh have in the NFL to make us think he’s the next great thing?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
567.JONTRAIN Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 11:36 am
@Alex7
I’m not saying its easy, trust me.
First things first (which has nothing to do with coaching:
A continued influx of talent on both sides of the ball. Lets not pretend that we have the personnel to run our scheme well enuff to be a premier D, just yet. Although we r getting closer. We shoulda been able to hold teams under 20 more often, IMO
2)If the DC has the type of nuts to run the D he wants in spots, and it works. He’d undoubtedly be putting his job on the line, I know.
3) Stop those g**D*mn miscommunications in the secondary.
That has a great deal to do with coaching. I don’t wanna hear about
Sanjay. The DC is responsible for the final product.
4) When you do blitz, train your players how to disguise it
5) When you do blitz, don’t run the same da*n blitz everytime!
And these are just off the top of my head. To me they seem pretty basic
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Right there with you mayne!
January 17th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Willis McGahee is unlikely to be back in Baltimore unless he takes a “drastic” pay cut, according to the Carroll County Times.
McGahee has a $6 million salary, part of three years and $19.7M left on his massive contract. The Ravens are likely to move on from their backup running back after McGahee averaged just 6.6 carries per game in 2010. With Le’Ron McClain also a free agent, Ray Rice has a chance to emerge as the goal-line back in 2011. Baltimore will likely also add talent to the position. Jan. 17 – 9:22 am et
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In the event we are not able to retain M. Bush, This could be an option worth looking into.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
al is very good at finding coaches he just does`nt let them coach
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who doesn’t love puppets?
The Muppets made Jim Henson a gazillionaire!
January 17th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
One thing Al can do is spot young, talented potential HCs. He looked at or hired Weisenhunt, Peyton, Gruden, Shanny, Kiffin, Sarkisian….he can pick them, but lately he simply couldn’t close the deal.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
A continued influx of talent on both sides of the ball. Lets not pretend that we have the personnel to run our scheme well enuff to be a premier D, just yet. Although we r getting closer. We shoulda been able to hold teams under 20 more often, IMO
2)If the DC has the type of nuts to run the D he wants in spots, and it works. He’d undoubtedly be putting his job on the line, I know.
3) Stop those g**D*mn miscommunications in the secondary.
That has a great deal to do with coaching. I don’t wanna hear about
Sanjay. The DC is responsible for the final product.
4) When you do blitz, train your players how to disguise it
5) When you do blitz, don’t run the same da*n blitz everytime!
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This is a solid post, for sure.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Dakota,
Ken Whiz is nothing without Kurt Warner.
Kiff & Sark, really?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
People can’t say Hue is not qualified to be HC and at the same time say Harbaugh is the real deal. Their the same as far as I’m concerned.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
yet 99 percent of 600+ comments have defended Hue Jax as HC-to-be because Al Davis thinks it’s a good idea.
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I haven’t seen that at all.
I think what 99% of the people getting ACCUSED of being Hue Jax supporters are saying is that we are completely overjoyed that Cable was fired.
One has nothing to do with the other, imo.
Cable’s contract was up, along with a lot of the other assistants who have been here the past 3 years or so. If you look at their performance over the past 3 years, and especially during that 2-4 stretch of games to end the season, I just don’t see how there is ANY argument that that staff should have been retained?
Once we can agree on the staff not coming back, then we can move on to the totally seperate issue of who the next HC should be.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Sorry to have to be the one to say it, but had Al stepped back a little and let Kiffin do his job we would be much, much better off right now.
He would have dumped Ryan and hired his dad as D-coordinator. Drafted Calvin Johnson instead of Russell. Cable would still be our o-line coach instead of stumbling around and in over his head the past three seasons.
He tried to wrestle the Raiders into the 21st century…Al resisted so he started looking elsewhere. Can’t blame the guy.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Anyhow, PLEASE ask all-powerful Al this question, or something akin to it….
“MR DAVIS, GIVEN THE POOR RESULTS AND CONTINUAL SELF-IMPOSED ORGANIZATIONAL UPHEAVAL WITNESSED OVER THE PAST 8 YEARS, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU, THE OWNER/GM, TAKE ON FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ON-FIELD FAILURES EXPERIENCED SINCE 2003?”
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This type of question has often been asked before in recent PCs with Al, and he has always answered it the same — i take full responsibility, we’re a young team, we’ll turn the corner, etc etc.
The better question to ask is — given your 23-89 record as acting GM of the Raiders, and your age/health, why do you refuse to hire a free-standing GM to run things differently? or at least a co-GM who will push and test you?
And, as a follow on — if a GM you hired had gone 23-89 in 8 years, he would be fired, accountable for football operations, how come Al Davis the owner does not relieve Al Davis the GM of this role?
And, as a further follow on — you hire and fire coaches very quickly, every 2 years, at the soonest missteps. Why does the GM get a free-pass, is not accountable? Detaching yourself from the fact you are the GM, Al Davis the owner would evaluate how well/poorly the function of the GM was performing, and would acknowledge that part of the Raiders organization needed improvement. You said before that you accept full responsibility for the woes of the Raiders in recent years, so how come it is too difficult for you to address and improve that part of the organization?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
510,
4 or 5 teams (pretty much everybody with an opening) was beating down the door for Jim Harbaugh, offering him $7 per year and full control, etc etc
He chose to stay local, probably per his wife’s request.
Hue Jackson only got 2 offers to INTERVIEW for OC last year and 1 token rooney rule HC interview this season
one of these guys is a hot HC candidate and the other is not. I’ve been a Jim Harbaugh fan since he played QB in the NFL for Chicago & Indy. Captain Comeback!
Hue Jax played QB for U.O.P. in Stockton, CA for maybe 1 year – Danny Southwick looked like a Pro Bowler in comparison
January 17th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Too funny Rockstar….since when has on the field talent = a good head coach?
Ditka?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Train,
You might have been crossed up with me yesterday as I am the on who blamed Marshall for us missing the playoffs.
IMO, the defense had the most talent of the team BY FAR. Finally got the DEs I’ve been begging for for years in Houston and ShoNasty. I was on board with TK and Seymour at DT from the jump. Actaully woulda been cool with Seymour-Kelly-Henderson-ShoNasty too. Loved our front 7 and Routt starting opposite Nnamdi.
Defense was supposed to carry us and anytime we got 24 pts, we should’ve won.
Marshall not being renewed was the right thing to do.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
I just don’t see how there is ANY argument that that staff should have been retained?
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Jhill,
I’m not on the Tom Cable bandwagon. If you recall, I was firmly entrenched in Dakota’s TC = wife beating buffoon club
so you think Hue Jackson should be swept out with the others or given 1 more year to prove he’s a legit OC?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
RaiderRockstar as far as I know college coaches don’t have much success in the NFL, Nick Saban comes to mind. I think Harbaugh will be a good coach, but what makes him different than Hue, interviews? I said a couple of times already if Hue isn’t the man for this job (meaning he can’t get along with Al) then I don’t think we’ll see the Raiders as a successful franchise for as long as Al lives.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
since when has on the field talent = a good head coach?
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Dakota,
Tom Cable was a member of the 1987 Indianapolis Colts strike replacement team. He did not play in the two games he was on the team’s active roster.
you see?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Let’s face it, Hue Jackson is about 4 times more qualified to be an NFL HC than is Jim Harbaugh….but Harbaugh has certain advantages, such as looking the part, name recognition and having a brother that is successful in the NFL.
Hue has waaaaay more practical NFL coaching experience.
All that being said, I would still have wanted Harbaugh over Jackson as our HC just for the excitement factor. I certainly wouldn’t bet against Hue having a more successful coahing career than Harbaugh….unless of course Hue takes the Raiders job lol.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
And the job of a good head coach is to get his players to play above their expectations, Cable had them at average so it wasn’t good enough. We finally saw this year these boys can really play, those losses to the niners and dolphins were especially inexcusable. I like Hue as coach, not to say he was a perfect OC, but he has the right attitude and I think he has the X and O’s.
On another note, Plaxico gets out this year. We need to get that dude fast!
January 17th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Raider 510 Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
People can’t say Hue is not qualified to be HC and at the same time say Harbaugh is the real deal. Their the same as far as I’m concerned.
…………………………Hue is not qualified to be HC , Harbaugh is the real deal.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
I certainly wouldn’t bet against Hue having a more successful coahing career than Harbaugh….unless of course Hue takes the Raiders job
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Hue Jackson will be an NFL Head Coach 2 years max. As long as Al Davis allows …
Cable won 13 games out of his last 32. Hue Jax would be lucky to match that imo
Thats the kind of “quality” we’re talking about here
January 17th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Nice confucius! Must be that philosophical wisdom of yours.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
so you think Hue Jackson should be swept out with the others or given 1 more year to prove he’s a legit OC?
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Catch 22 for me …
I don’t think that we should have brought in another HC and forced Hue on him as a OC. One exception to that for me was Rob Ryan.
I can totally understand the thought process of keeping the same offensive playbook if Campbell is going to be our QB.
It seems like Saunders is a good fit as OC for Hue since Campbell has seen his playbook, and he has been with Baltimore the past few years. I think Saunders has more exp as a OC than Hue did, so to have 2 guys on the same page can be nothing but a plus.
Jackson/Saunders wouldn’t be my first choice to take over the job, to answer your question. But for the reason I listed above, I won’t be upset with it at all.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Wait,
You mean Harbaugh has been successful at every level of his career. He won as a NFL QB. He won at a small college. He took a lousy Stanford into a legit National contender.
But he’s not as qualified as Hue based on what? I’m sorry I dont buy the argument.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
@J Hill,
Agreed. Way more talent on D.
As a whole, our offense overachieved and our defense underachieved.
The big problem was consistency, and getting each unit to play well during the same game. I think its fair to say that with each unit, you never knew who was gonna show up on gameday
January 17th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
hue head coaching experience =0 harbaugh head coach of stanford.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:
1. Jimmy Johnson
2…….. Fill in the blanks for me, people
January 17th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Rex Ryan Head coach experience prior to Jets????????????????????
January 17th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
We finally saw this year these boys can really play, those losses to the niners and dolphins were especially inexcusable. I like Hue as coach, not to say he was a perfect OC, but he has the right attitude and I think he has the X and O’s.
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In both losses to the Niners and Mia,our offense got outplayed and outschemed. There were zero adjustments made that was effective. The run game with both Bush and DMAC got blown up by Mia and SF. On top of that both QB’s sucked! Whose fault does that lie with? One would assume the guy who proclaimed to own the offense, designed plays, and called them?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Rex Ryan lived and breathed the NFL his whole life. NFL is just a different beast than college
January 17th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Jhill and Jontrain: Agreed, defense badly underperformed. We finally had an offense and I didn’t see our D step up to the plate on enough occasions. But the Miami game I blame the offense.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Your right Aig I blame the O for the niner game too, that was embarrassing.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
I think Harbaugh is going to be a decent coach. Has a good chance of making the playoffs each year in the division he plays in. But that defense and QB situation is what it is, and he is not going to beat the Chicago’s, GB’s, Saints, Atl’s, and the likes.
Paying him 5 million a year is CRAZY! 7 Million??? Laughable!
Funny thing I heard Casserly talking about the owners coming up with a salary cap for coaches.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@ Raider 510
Plenty of blame to go around, of course. There were certainly games where the offense was nonexistent. We need a lot more talent at QB, OL, and WR.
Defensively, 1 or 2 more players could make this a very talented unit (coaching/ scheme notwithstanding)
January 17th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
It seems like Saunders is a good fit as OC for Hue
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Al Saunders is like 63 years old
what is with Al Davis and old dude offensive minds?
Tom Walsh, Ted Tollner, Paul Hackett, etc
January 17th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
rex ryan has a whole family of experience buddy and rob
January 17th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
On top of that both QB’s sucked! Whose fault does that lie with? One would assume the guy who proclaimed to own the offense, designed plays, and called them?
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Can we take out the games where the QB sucked?
You know like the adjusted stats for Cable when the QB sucked last year?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Ok we’re talking about HC experience. Just cause he breathed NFL didn’t guarantee him success. He’s proved he’s his own person and a damn good HC with 0 prior experience. Better than Rob who had that same family experience.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Hue has practical NFL coaching experience. Harbaugh’s NFL coaching experience is very limited. Playing time in the NFL has little to do with a person’s ability to coach at the highest level, in any sport. I can’t think of last coach who came directly to the NFL without any prior NFL coaching experience and had success in the NFL. Almost all successful NFL coaches are former NFL assistants, not former college HCs. Saban, Petrino, Erickson, Spurrier….all NFL failures.
Hue’s practical experience as a long-time NFL assistant coach plays to his favor. That is undisputable.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
RRS,
Saunders was hailed as an All Star type OC just what 2 years ago? Wasn’t he paid like 6 million a year to go to Washington and no one was complaining about that?
Now we get the 6 million dollar OC for what 1.5?
Al is the man!
January 17th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Rex Ryan has won as the DC for the Ravens. The guy responsible for that vaunlted D during his time there as DC.
If I’m not mistaken, Here is Hue’s bio.
2003 OC Skins – 5-11 record and 22nd in scoring.
2007 OC Falcons – 4-12 record and 29th in scoring.
2008-2009 Ravens – QB coach. Hardly the person responsible for the offense like an OC.
But hey, he’s really qualified to be an NFL HC.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
raiders offense with hue jackson scored 30 pts in six games.cable ran 2009 scored 30 0 times.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Jason Campbell – Average
Bruce Gradkowski – Average
Offensive Line – Average
Wide Receivers – Below Average
Tight End – Good
Running Backs – Very Good
We need like 3-5 more talented players on this side of the ball. That’s a lot
January 17th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:
1. Jimmy Johnson
2…….. Fill in the blanks for me, people
Barry Switzer, who won a Super Bowl with the Cowboys 3 tom coughlin
January 17th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
It’s puzzling to me how some of you have spent years on hear picking on other people’s quallification from career W/L, and yet you are now promoting another guy with some lousy W/L as well.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
So what makes Harbaugh qualified to head coach in the NFL Aig? I’m dying to see your stats.
January 17th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
raiders offense with hue jackson scored 30 pts in six games.cable ran 2009 scored 30 0 times.
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In 5 of our 8 losses, Hue’s offense produced the following results.
13-38 Tenn
9-17 SF
3-35 Pitt
10 – 33 Mia (Ford ST TD)
19-31 Indy (Ford ST TD)
January 17th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:
1. Jimmy Johnson
2 Barry Switzer
3 Tom Coughlin
Any others?
January 17th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
659.JONTRAIN Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Jason Campbell – Average
Bruce Gradkowski – Average
Offensive Line – Average
Wide Receivers – Below Average
Tight End – Good
Running Backs – Very Good
We need like 3-5 more talented players on this side of the ball. That’s a lot
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offense line-below average
January 17th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
I think the courting of Jim Harbaugh shows the power of the media these days. The amount of money thrown at him was astounding.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:
1. Jimmy Johnson
2 Barry Switzer
3 Tom Coughlin
Any others?
tony dungy
January 17th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:
1. Jimmy Johnson
2 Barry Switzer
3 Tom Coughlin
Any others?
_____________
Even Caughlin had a bunch of NFL coaching experience before he went to BC. Giants, Eagles, Packers prior to BC.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
663.aig-raiders Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
raiders offense with hue jackson scored 30 pts in six games.cable ran 2009 scored 30 0 times.
———————
In 5 of our 8 losses, Hue’s offense produced the following results.
13-38 Tenn
9-17 SF
3-35 Pitt
10 – 33 Mia (Ford ST TD)
19-31 Indy (Ford ST TD)
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cable in 16 games produce 0 30 pt games.cable got shut out by the jets,i know because i was there.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Wasn’t he paid like 6 million a year to go to Washington and no one was complaining about that?
***
I don’t think it’s fair to assume that whatever Dan Snyder is paying somebody is what they’re worth!
Hall, Haynesworth, McNabb, Shanny, Zorn, etc
thats like paying $50 for a chef salad bro …
January 17th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
@Bigblackdeath
I agree, I was definitely giving them the benefit of the doubt for some good run blocking
January 17th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
In 5 of our 8 losses, Hue’s offense produced the following results.
13-38 Tenn
9-17 SF
3-35 Pitt
10 – 33 Mia (Ford ST TD)
19-31 Indy (Ford ST TD)
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Is that to say that in 3 of our 8 losses, Hue’s offense was pretty good?
Can we just not count Tenn, Pitts, and Miami just to be fair to Hue? You know, since the QB play was terrible as you have pointed out. I would like to apply the “Russell” exemption to those games.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Harbaugh is qualified because he has played the executive position of HC and actually played in the NFL for many many years. Just like a baseball player that excelled at Triple A has earned the rights to be called up.
Harbaugh has earned the rights to be an nfl coach a whole lot more than your boy Hue Jack ever has.
Anyone that has ever worked in a real job knows it’s a nite and day difference between being the assistant vs the guy with all the responsibilities.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
cable scored over 20 pts 4 times in 16 games in 2009.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
January 17th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:
1. Jimmy Johnson
2 Barry Switzer
3 Tom Coughlin
Any others?
andy reid william and mary
January 17th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
thats like paying $50 for a chef salad bro …
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LOL!
But none of the “experts” were saying that when he was hired. Nothing but praise and accolades from what I can remember.
Point is the guy didn’t just turn into a bum OC 2 years later bc the Raiders picked him up.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
5 out of 8 losses, Hue was out coached and out schemed. That represents over 50% of our losses. No I aint going to give him the Russell exemption because we sucked regardless of QB. That means our scheme sucked.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
AIG,
If the win-loss record of a team where a potential HC once worked for was some sort of indicator of their potential as a HC, then every assistant from NE would be a success.
Hue has found himself in some sketchy situations in Washington with the doomed Spurrier regime, and in ATL after the Vick debacle. Hue has had some success in Cinci with their Wrs and in Baltimore as their QB coach….and the improvement in Oakland last year was remarkable. Perfect? no, but when viewed against what the last guy accomplished, it was very very good.
Too bad Hue wasn’t here in 2007, maybe Russell doesn’t fail.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
I doubt the Hue Jack non-bandwagoneers are touting Cable as any good OC or better than Hue. We’re just NOT highly of Hue as some of you are. Hue’s offense was just as responsible for us missing the playoff as Marshall’s D or Fassel’s ST.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
677.aig-raiders Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
5 out of 8 losses, Hue was out coached and out schemed. That represents over 50% of our losses. No I aint going to give him the Russell exemption because we sucked regardless of QB. That means our scheme sucked.
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o.k. it`s hue fault they lost those 5 games.does he get credit for all 8 wins.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
No I aint going to give him the Russell exemption because we sucked regardless of QB. That means our scheme sucked.
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And our scheme didn’t suck when Cable was calling plays with Russell?
January 17th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
The list of very good college coaches who couldn’t find success in the NFL, as we all know, is very long.
But let’s see if there’s anybody else that provides a precedent for Mr Harbaugh.
Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches (*debatable, but we’ll leave em on the list):
1. Jimmy Johnson
2 Barry Switzer*
3 Tom Coughlin*
Any others?
January 17th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Harbaugh is qualified because he has played the executive position of HC and actually played in the NFL for many many years. Just like a baseball player that excelled at Triple A has earned the rights to be called up.
Harbaugh has earned the rights to be an nfl coach a whole lot more than your boy Hue Jack ever has.
Anyone that has ever worked in a real job knows it’s a nite and day difference between being the assistant vs the guy with all the responsibilities.
___________
Yeah,I see, that explains all of the great NFL HCs that came directly from college! Oh wait, there haven’t been many of those in the past 20 years! There goes that theory lol.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
On a more psychedelic note, this is what happens when Ray Ratto takes the wrong meds:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14562635/afc-title-games-fine-but-it-rex-the-pro-bowl
Seriously, I challenge anyone to tell me what he was on when he wrote this…
January 17th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Dakota,
You painted a broad brush on Cable’s career with Oakland in terms of win/loss. If anyone that has been consistent in pointing out people’s career w/l on this blog, it has been you. Yet you are now making excuses for Hue. We’ll leave it at that.
BTW, Hue was our OC when we decided to cut Russell in 2010.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
The list of very good college coaches who couldn’t find success in the NFL, as we all know, is very long.
But let’s see if there’s anybody else that provides a precedent for Mr Harbaugh.
Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches (*debatable, but we’ll leave em on the list):
1. Jimmy Johnson
2 Barry Switzer*
3 Tom Coughlin*
Any others?
tony dungy minn.andy reid william and mary
January 17th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
5 out of 8 losses, Hue was out coached and out schemed.
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I’d agree that we could have seen a better offensive game plan in 5 outta the 16 games we played this year.
I think by bringing in Saunders to chop it up with instead of that Shrek Hue had this past season, we will see improvement in that area.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
NFL owners are for the most part liked caged bunny rabbits. Those bunnies will almost always crap in the same corner of their cages.
So, like rabbits, owners keep returning to the same corner of their cage to find coaches from the WCO tree or the Patsies Way etc.
To me it doesn’t show imagination or brilliance, it just shows habitual returning to the same pile of crap time after time.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@Confucius
sorry can’t count Andy Reid he was an asst for 6 years @GB b4 being a HC.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
who`s fault is it that cable was 11-35 in collage?russel or hue?
January 17th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
How many asst NFL coaches have failed miserably as HC in the NFL if that’s what you guys want to use as logic?
The point is you dont know and you’re best off going with a guy that has at least won or achieved something in their professional career.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
off to the gym. I’ll check back later.
Keep them honest RRS.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
@Confucius:
Looking for coaches with big success/attention in college, and little to no experience in NFL coaching….
it’s all good yall see my point
January 17th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Aig so as we stand, you don’t like Hue Jackson, right? Is that saying you would have rather kept Cable?
January 17th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Dakota,
You painted a broad brush on Cable’s career with Oakland in terms of win/loss. If anyone that has been consistent in pointing out people’s career w/l on this blog, it has been you. Yet you are now making excuses for Hue. We’ll leave it at that.
BTW, Hue was our OC when we decided to cut Russell in 2010.
__________________
What win loss record does Hue have as a HC? None. Tom Cable’s atrocious W/L record as a H/C was certainly a point of contention because that was almost all there was to go on. When you are 11-35 even in college it is indicative of a loser…..but having a winning record in college does not = success in the NFL. History is clear on that point.
As to your last point, it isn’t even worth my time it is so ridiculous.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
oh wait Pete Carroll Confucious. Dont forget about him. He only took them into the playoff and won.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
663.aig-raiders Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
raiders offense with hue jackson scored 30 pts in six games.cable ran 2009 scored 30 0 times.
———————
In 5 of our 8 losses, Hue’s offense produced the following results.
13-38 Tenn
9-17 SF
3-35 Pitt
10 – 33 Mia (Ford ST TD)
19-31 Indy (Ford ST TD)
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by the way the 19 pts you credit hue with against indy would have out scored the cable offense 12 times in 2009 alone.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
@RaiderDuck
Hilarious article. Should be fun to see the network try and show a “lighter” side of Belicheat
January 17th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
696.aig-raiders Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
oh wait Pete Carroll Confucious. Dont forget about him. He only took them into the playoff and won.
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pete was a head coach for patriots and jets before usc.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Jesus.
Pete Carroll was an NFl HC with two different teams b4 USC.
Next
January 17th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
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January 17th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
oh wait Pete Carroll Confucious. Dont forget about him. He only took them into the playoff and won.
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Lol, Carroll is the former HC in NE.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Pete Carroll failed as a HC with 2 diff teams and got FIRED. Went back to college and he HIMSELF admitted it made him a better coach. But let’s not let facts get in the way.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
i would throw john madden in there he was raiders linebacker coach only a couple months before he was thrown in as head coach.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Aig just continue to stand neutral. I’m not sure if you support Cable, hate Hue, or love Marshall.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
I’m looking for successful coaches jumping from college to pros with little or no previous NFL experience:
1. Jimmy Johnson
2. Barry Switzer (inherited a SB team, but OK cool)
3. Tom Coughlin (asst in NFL for 6 years b4 boston
college, but OK cool)
Any more?
January 17th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Anyone arguing that college HC experience is somehow better than NFL assistant experience in determining the potential of an NFL HC, despite all proof to the contrary, simply isn’t worth the time.
January 17th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Honestly Jimmy Johnson is the only guy who’s done what the 49ers think Harbaugh can do. There might be a couple others, but….
The list of similar coaches who have failed is very long. That’s all I’m sayin.
That’s a very expensive bet that the 49ers just made
January 17th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 17th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Honestly Jimmy Johnson is the only guy who’s done what the 49ers think Harbaugh can do. There might be a couple others, but….
The list of similar coaches who have failed is very long. That’s all I’m sayin.
That’s a very expensive bet that the 49ers just made
………………well i think you have pro experience if you have a brother as a head coach of another team,i mean that they have to sit around the dinner table at their mothers house and talk football.
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